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Title: United v The Villa Pre-Match thread
Post by: olaftab on December 12, 2019, 01:52:17 PM
Saturday 14 December 3.00PM
Bramall Lane, Sheffield.

The Villa visit one of the great English football clubs this Saturday coming and one of our big rivals in the early years. The club that coined the name United as they were the first United in English football. It is befitting that this match is on a Saturday and kick off is at 3.00.
Title: Re: United v The Villa Pre-Match thread
Post by: Legion on December 12, 2019, 01:57:17 PM
D 1-1.
Title: Re: United v The Villa Pre-Match thread
Post by: Chipsticks on December 12, 2019, 02:10:19 PM
Have a feeling we'll win.

Not sure why, or how, but I just 'reckon' they'll have an off day and we'll win 2-0.

UTV.
Title: Re: United v The Villa Pre-Match thread
Post by: Three Spires Villa on December 12, 2019, 02:20:59 PM
I would take a draw right now. 1-1
Title: Re: United v The Villa Pre-Match thread
Post by: Bad English on December 12, 2019, 03:11:35 PM
'United'. I almost came on ranting. Very good.
Title: Re: United v The Villa Pre-Match thread
Post by: Deano's Mullet on December 12, 2019, 03:19:37 PM
They will be right in our faces from the very first minute but theres more to them than physicality and I think they will outfight and outplay us. 3-1 to them.
Title: Re: United v The Villa Pre-Match thread
Post by: Chris Smith on December 12, 2019, 03:33:29 PM
Some games you can guess the probability of the outcome but to me a win, loss or draw would not be a massive surprise.
Title: Re: United v The Villa Pre-Match thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 12, 2019, 04:10:48 PM
6-6
Title: Re: United v The Villa Pre-Match thread
Post by: Legion on December 12, 2019, 04:13:45 PM
Some games you can guess the probability of the outcome but to me a win, loss or draw would not be a massive surprise.

I'm sure there must be an alternative potential outcome.
Title: Re: United v The Villa Pre-Match thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 12, 2019, 04:14:49 PM
Some games you can guess the probability of the outcome but to me a win, loss or draw would not be a massive surprise.

I'd be very surprised if it wasn't one of those outcomes.
Title: Re: United v The Villa Pre-Match thread
Post by: darren woolley on December 12, 2019, 04:25:37 PM
I'm going for a 2-1 Villa win.
Title: Re: United v The Villa Pre-Match thread
Post by: KevinGage on December 12, 2019, 04:26:57 PM
Some games you can guess the probability of the outcome but to me a win, loss or draw would not be a massive surprise.

Either team could win this or it might be a draw.
Title: Re: United v The Villa Pre-Match thread
Post by: usav on December 12, 2019, 04:31:36 PM
They will be right in our faces from the very first minute but theres more to them than physicality and I think they will outfight and outplay us. 3-1 to them.

This is my main concern as well that we won't cope with the physicality they will bring.
Title: Re: United v The Villa Pre-Match thread
Post by: AV82EC on December 12, 2019, 04:58:53 PM
We got stuffed here last season and it could have been 6 or 7. We mugged them off with the comeback at our place but they absolutely murdered us for the first 80 minutes. I’m travelling in hope rather than expectation and a repeat of the Snodgrass 90th minute curler would be much appreciated.

1-1.
Title: Re: United v The Villa Pre-Match thread
Post by: Risso on December 12, 2019, 05:01:25 PM
3-1 them.
Title: Re: United v The Villa Pre-Match thread
Post by: remy on December 12, 2019, 05:20:27 PM
Wesley to start
Overrun in midfield
We miss sitter in first half
They score first half
2-0 by 65th minute
Final result - 2-1 Blades if they've declared or 3-0 in the 90th minute.
Hello relegation battle old friend, long time no see!
Title: Re: United v The Villa Pre-Match thread
Post by: Holte132 on December 12, 2019, 05:25:04 PM
Some games you can guess the probability of the outcome but to me a win, loss or draw would not be a massive surprise.

I'm sure there must be an alternative potential outcome.

Match abandoned.
Title: Re: United v The Villa Pre-Match thread
Post by: GarTomas on December 12, 2019, 05:31:39 PM
Some games you can guess the probability of the outcome but to me a win, loss or draw would not be a massive surprise.

I'm sure there must be an alternative potential outcome.

Match abandoned.

Match postponed.
Title: Re: United v The Villa Pre-Match thread
Post by: TonyD on December 12, 2019, 05:54:06 PM
Wesley to start
Overrun in midfield
We miss sitter in first half
They score first half
2-0 by 65th minute
Final result - 2-1 Blades if they've declared or 3-0 in the 90th minute.
Hello relegation battle old friend, long time no see!
This.  But I reckon a scoreline of 3.1 or 4.1 to them.  Can’t see us winning or changing the system.
Title: Re: United v The Villa Pre-Match thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 12, 2019, 05:58:36 PM
3-1 them.

There's more chance of me seeing a unicorn than there is of us losing.
Title: Re: United v The Villa Pre-Match thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on December 12, 2019, 06:49:14 PM
3-1 them.

There's more chance of me seeing a unicorn than there is of us losing.


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Title: Re: United v The Villa Pre-Match thread
Post by: Newby on December 12, 2019, 06:50:18 PM
If we want to stay in the league, this is a game we should be winning, minimum of a draw though.
Title: Re: United v The Villa Pre-Match thread
Post by: RamboandBruno on December 12, 2019, 07:33:03 PM
Didn’t make the away game last season when they hammered us, but they were by far the best side I saw down the villa last season. Played us off the park from the first minute to er the 80 something. For the first time in my life I left early as there were blokes squaring up to each other next to us in the holte and losing their heads and my 8 year old as he was then was nervous and wanted to go. That was at 0-3, it was 3-3 by the time we got back to the car 😂😖

There a good team and have adapted to premier league life better than us and result that is not a defeat would be really positive. Saying all that their away record is better than there home record I think, so we live in hope. Our big players need to turn up. Might be a risk but I’d be tempted to play Hause with Engels at the back. Wes will probs play I guess
Title: Re: United v The Villa Pre-Match thread
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on December 12, 2019, 09:06:59 PM
Some games you can guess the probability of the outcome but to me a win, loss or draw would not be a massive surprise.

I'm sure there must be an alternative potential outcome.

Match abandoned.

Season abandoned due to outbreak of war.
Title: Re: United v The Villa Pre-Match thread
Post by: Axl Rose on December 12, 2019, 09:09:35 PM
0-0
Title: Re: United v The Villa Pre-Match thread
Post by: Jon Crofts on December 13, 2019, 09:50:29 AM
Not hopeful, 2-0.
Title: Re: United v The Villa Pre-Match thread
Post by: Drummond on December 13, 2019, 10:04:15 AM
They are as nervous and unsure as us.

They lost to Newcastle, they went behind to Norwich.

We can do this. We need to.
Title: Re: United v The Villa Pre-Match thread
Post by: Jon Crofts on December 13, 2019, 10:18:17 AM
They are as nervous and unsure as us.

They lost to Newcastle, they went behind to Norwich.

We can do this. We need to.

We won't
Title: Re: United v The Villa Pre-Match thread
Post by: Legion on December 13, 2019, 10:21:19 AM
We might.
Title: Re: United v The Villa Pre-Match thread
Post by: GarTomas on December 13, 2019, 10:23:43 AM
We could.
Title: Re: United v The Villa Pre-Match thread
Post by: Jon Crofts on December 13, 2019, 10:29:03 AM
We should.

These are indeed the games we need to be taking something from, I really hope we do but right now we just seem so flat.
Title: Re: United v The Villa Pre-Match thread
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on December 13, 2019, 11:40:24 AM
Would take losing this, if we win the 3 matches after it. Deal?
Title: Re: United v The Villa Pre-Match thread
Post by: Baldy on December 13, 2019, 12:00:58 PM
Get 'Sheffield United' done.

Well, it worked for somebody else.

 ;)
Title: Re: United v The Villa Pre-Match thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on December 13, 2019, 12:02:17 PM
Would take losing this, if we win the 3 matches after it. Deal?

I bet we would make that deal then Villa would only stick to the first bit.
Title: Re: United v The Villa Pre-Match thread
Post by: Bobby Boy on December 13, 2019, 12:23:17 PM
Tough game against a hard-working, disciplined, well organised team. I like Chris Wilder too. 2-0 to Sheff Utd.
Title: Re: United v The Villa Pre-Match thread
Post by: Villa Lew on December 13, 2019, 12:30:17 PM
As well as they've played this season, they've only won 1 more game than us, going for 1-1 draw.
Title: Re: United v The Villa Pre-Match thread
Post by: simon ward 50 on December 13, 2019, 12:33:50 PM
Take a 1-1.
Title: Re: United v The Villa Pre-Match thread
Post by: levico on December 13, 2019, 12:35:45 PM
Nope. Another poor performance and heavy defeat I’m afraid.
Title: Re: United v The Villa Pre-Match thread
Post by: tomd2103 on December 13, 2019, 01:38:45 PM
Would take losing this, if we win the 3 matches after it. Deal?

Would prefer at least a draw and then winning the next three!!  Want to see us a lot tighter tomorrow and not so open, particularly in midfield. 
Title: Re: United v The Villa Pre-Match thread
Post by: Nelly on December 13, 2019, 02:32:05 PM
I've got time for both Sheffield clubs. United are flying currently, it'll be a tough game but Villa have generally pleasantly surprised me in many games this year. A Villa win, why not.
Title: Re: United v The Villa Pre-Match thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on December 13, 2019, 02:46:05 PM
I think they'll be physically too strong for us.
Title: Re: United v The Villa Pre-Match thread
Post by: CT on December 13, 2019, 05:50:27 PM
I'd take a draw, then 9 points from the next three games.
Title: Re: United v The Villa Pre-Match thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 13, 2019, 06:16:15 PM
I didn’t see it but in his press conference did Dean say anything new or about trying something different tomorrow? Because persevering with the same approach tomorrow especially up front will likely lead to a defeat. I would hope also Hause comes in for Mings alongside Engels.
Title: Re: United v The Villa Pre-Match thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 13, 2019, 06:20:24 PM
Title: Re: United v The Villa Pre-Match thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 13, 2019, 06:25:27 PM
Title: Re: United v The Villa Pre-Match thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 13, 2019, 07:09:26 PM
The idea that you can play on with a hamstring Pull is ludicrous.
Extremely poor decision making.
Title: Re: United v The Villa Pre-Match thread
Post by: manic-road on December 13, 2019, 07:16:49 PM
Lose 3-1 before we go on a winning run over Christmas.
Title: Re: United v The Villa Pre-Match thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 13, 2019, 08:27:06 PM


Cheers. So as usual not one question on tactics/strategy. Not one question whether Dean ever looks at what he does or reflects on his decisions? I get the players have to execute on the game plan but what about the manager during the game? How does he adapt? Subs/players/position I find this season we act too late or not at all and we’ve been really hurt by an inability to see things coming or adjust to see games out.
Title: Re: United v The Villa Pre-Match thread
Post by: OzVilla on December 13, 2019, 09:16:27 PM
Leicester exploited our biggest weakness last week, offering chances with stupid mistakes. They have the forwards to punish you. Sheffield Utd are the type to exploit the 2nd weakness, not lasting the 90 mins. They’ll do nothing special but press and get in our faces. It’ll be too much for us as the game wares on.

2-0 them with both goals in the last 15 mins.
Title: Re: United v The Villa Pre-Match thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 13, 2019, 10:40:00 PM
I can’t help thinking there is something sisyphean about Dean Smiths game management.
Expect nothing from tomorrow.
Title: Re: United v The Villa Pre-Match thread
Post by: mallo on December 13, 2019, 11:32:32 PM
Not wishing to have green eyed envy at Sheffield but they’ve done well and will probably have the better of us. We’ll have the last laugh in a year when they’re relegated. Irony.
Title: Re: United v The Villa Pre-Match thread
Post by: alanclare on December 14, 2019, 07:28:22 AM
I can’t help thinking there is something sisyphean about Dean Smiths game management.
Expect nothing from tomorrow.
I had to look up “sisyphean” and at the present rate of change, I agree, except that it’s “today” now.
Title: Re: United v The Villa Pre-Match thread
Post by: Clampy on December 14, 2019, 07:43:41 AM
First away game of the season today (we've been slacking). The only other kind of away we've done was watching the Norwich game in Dublin so if we win or get a similar result, you can all thank me later. I reckon it'll be 2-2 though. Wesley and Tresequet for us.
Title: Re: United v The Villa Pre-Match thread
Post by: Bad English on December 14, 2019, 07:57:16 AM
I can’t help thinking there is something sisyphean about Dean Smiths game management.
Expect nothing from tomorrow.
I had to look up “sisyphean” and at the present rate of change, I agree, except that it’s “today” now.
Dean is more Halcyon with a large dollop of Atropos.
Title: Re: United v The Villa Pre-Match thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 14, 2019, 08:59:24 AM
I think this is going to be very difficult.
Title: Re: United v The Villa Pre-Match thread
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on December 14, 2019, 09:42:49 AM
Come on the Villa boys! I'm going to side step the obvious difficulty level of this game to suggest that we need to go on an undefeated sequence of games starting today. With the fixtures we have especially after today I would hope we could go on a winning run into the new year. I'd certainly take a draw against Sheff Utd. I'd start with Engels, Guilbert and Hause in the absence of Mings. I'd also start maybe controversially with Kodjia. We don't know if this guy is premier class because he's not really played there, but he is capable of scoring international goals, so deserves the opportunity. If he does well his Villa future maybe secured or he will find a willing buyer in Jan. If he doesn't we'll find out soon enough. Wes off the bench may suit him better at the mo to help rebuild his confidence, which I have seen is slipping away. As for the midfield, it will be interesting to see who is selected. UTV!!
Title: Re: United v The Villa Pre-Match thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 14, 2019, 10:40:05 AM
I can’t help thinking there is something sisyphean about Dean Smiths game management.
Expect nothing from tomorrow.
I had to look up “sisyphean” and at the present rate of change, I agree, except that it’s “today” now.
Time zone   :)
Title: Re: United v The Villa Pre-Match thread
Post by: kipeye on December 14, 2019, 10:43:46 AM
Some games you can guess the probability of the outcome but to me a win, loss or draw would not be a massive surprise.

Either team could win this or it might be a draw.
This is what I come on here for...keep it up lads.
Title: Re: United v The Villa Pre-Match thread
Post by: BoVillan esq on December 14, 2019, 10:48:26 AM
Who knows??, one thing is for sure we need to start racking up the points, fast approaching the half way stage with 15 points on the board, its just not good enough to stay up, this is going to be a very difficult game, I would be happy with a point, elated to get 3 points.
Title: Re: United v The Villa Pre-Match thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 14, 2019, 10:48:41 AM
I can’t help thinking there is something sisyphean about Dean Smiths game management.
Expect nothing from tomorrow.
I had to look up “sisyphean” and at the present rate of change, I agree, except that it’s “today” now.
Dean is more Halcyon with a large dollop of Atropos.
Didn’t Sisyphus have a large dollop of Atropos?
Title: Re: United v The Villa Pre-Match thread
Post by: kipeye on December 14, 2019, 10:48:46 AM
The main cause of our struggles is very simple. We had to change most of the squad and there is very little premiership experience in the squad. They will improve over the season and I hope that January brings in two or three new faces-at least one with a proven record of goal scoring. happy to give players time, but we still need to mix it up as our tactics are still predictable. Not that I would have Bruce ball back, mind.
Title: Re: United v The Villa Pre-Match thread
Post by: clash city rocker on December 14, 2019, 10:52:50 AM
Have a score on the villa at 7/2. My plan is at about 60 mins we will be winning or drawing so I can cah out and make a profit before it all goes tits up. Has worked well a few times this season.
Title: Re: United v The Villa Pre-Match thread
Post by: Goldie.7 on December 14, 2019, 12:24:52 PM
Kodjia and Davis are both fit but I don't need to see the team sheet at 2PM to know that none of them will be starting.

1-1.
Title: Re: United v The Villa Pre-Match thread
Post by: russon on December 14, 2019, 01:29:56 PM
3-1 them.

There's more chance of me seeing a unicorn than there is of us losing.


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Is that Stephen Ireland?
Title: Re: United v The Villa Pre-Match thread
Post by: Ads on December 14, 2019, 01:54:37 PM
It's nippy and I'm not confident.

But we live in hope.