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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: PeterWithesShin on December 01, 2019, 06:24:17 PM
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Disappointing to only get a point.
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Yes but a good performance and nice not to have that sinking feeling.
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Away day rot stopped. Need to build on this at Chelsea. Onwards.
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Shows how far we have come in the last 12 months, leaving Old Trafford disappointed with only getting a point
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Agreed. Would have taken the point prior to KO. Bit disappointed now given the respective performances.
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Yeah but how times have quickly changed. Dissapointed.to draw ar Old Trafford. Oneards and upwards.
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First time in years where we've been disappointed to come away from Old Trafford with just a point.
Standard Mings brainfart aside, we should have won that.
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The ground looked half empty at full time.
Mulled wine and mince pie brigade?
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Gutted. Should have won.
Need to stop errors and improve all round fitness.
Then we will tonk teams.
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Decent performance, actually very good at times, need to cut out the brainfarts at the back.
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Considering our away form, seems like a decent point.
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1 point more than i thought we'd get, not because they are that much better than us but because of our awful history against them.
Let's start a new narrative now.
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Yeah but how times have quickly changed. Dissapointed.to draw ar Old Trafford. Oneards and upwards.
Yep
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Shows how far we have come in the last 12 months, leaving Old Trafford disappointed with only getting a point
This. Just said exactly the same word for word.
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Last time we played at the Theatre Of Sheep, the Klingon Chief said after the match what a weight off the shoulders it was to finally be relegated, this time King Jack will say how disappointed we were not to beat these tramps.
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Very good first half, looked very tired in the 2nd. Im fucking fuming with their equaliser in the 1st half but chuffed with the way we responded after going behind.
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Well done Villa boys. Draw is good you deserved more.
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When we beat Chelsea on Wednesday we will already have more points than we managed in 2015/16.
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Leicester just beaten Everton
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Pleased with a point. Sounds like we played well but hanging on at the end.
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Rashford is gash. If that first half performance doesn’t get Jack into the England squad I don’t know what will.
We could’ve won that two times over.
Thought Wesley was up for it today, bulled their CBS and held up play nicely. Our midfield was miles better than theirs. It was a positive performance with a few hiccups. I’ll take 2-2 away, cannot complain. Enjoy the rest of your weekend boys.
On to Chelski.
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Can't remember the last time we dominated so much there. That's as much to do with us being a pretty good team these days and them being a shadow of their glory years. Which are both pretty welcome things.
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Not a bad point all told. Excellent performance 1st half and a bit of an average 2nd half.
Good character shown to get back into it after going behind.
Still cannot believe that Jack can score a goal like that and then miss the chance that he did!!
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Thought we edged the game overall, would have taken that point before the game, delighted we have come away with something, still would like to look at the disallowed goal again, but no complaints, good result in the end, Jack was by far the best player on the pitch, another shout for Heaton, Wes need to get more on the ball, sharper, all in all, well done the lads.
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Looking forward to MOTD and listening to them wax lyrical over Jack. ;)
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We deserved so much more.
Still overall a good point considering our history there.
We're a decent team. Arguably top half in how we play but we really have to cut out the sloppy decisions we make at times.
Two short corners stopped us winning.
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I am really pleased that this time we didn't lose the game after taking the lead. Small corrections build a perfect design.
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I'll take that all day. Shame we don't have Freddie for Wednesday, which is a worry.
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Let's be honest: many of us would have taken a point beforehand.
Onwards and upwards to another Villa unhappy hunting ground to get something now...
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100 percent improvement from the Wolves game. To be disappointed to come away from Manure with only a point shows how far we have come in 12 months.
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Before today, when was the last time we were behind in a game against these ****** and didn't lose?
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I was absolutely convinced they were scoring in injury time. Thankfully this is a different Villa, and a different Man Utd than what we are used too.
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The ground looked half empty at full time.
Mulled wine and mince pie brigade?
I was on the mulled wine all second half. It was the only alcoholic thing in the house. Time for bed. Up the Villa. We deserved that point.
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Crazy to think where we were 18 months ago to leave Old Trafford disappointed with a draw. But it is 2 points dropped
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I voted for a draw but a bit disappointed now that we didn’t win. Good overall performance though and still think we could shade it at Chelsea.
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Well done you Villa boys. At last we didn’t roll over against these tw*ts
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We were hanging on a bit at the end but we’re good enough to go in 2 up at half time.
I thought a draw was fair.
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Great point, should have been 3.
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Small steps are beginning to turn into steady paces, hopefully we will soon be galloping. I'd have been more than happy with a point before KO. Well done Villa.
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Play like that and we'll be fine
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I thought we'd lose 2-1, pre-match, so we did much better than I expected and even feel a bit frustrated that we didn't beat them.
Once we get more goal threat up front and can convert 1-0 leads into 2 or 3 goal leads we'll be well on our way.
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Before today, when was the last time we were behind in a game against these c***s and didn't lose?
December 1998 at VP. Scholes put them 1 up and Joachim equalised.
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Thanks for all the links lads, I think I used them all in the end.
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Thanks for all the links lads, I think I used them all in the end.
Same, I ended up watching one with Chineese commentary for the last 20, that was interesting.
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It’s a joy watching this team. They frustrate at times but fucking hell they try
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It’s a joy watching this team. They frustrate at times but fucking hell they try
There was a situation late on and 3 villa players were fighting for the ball.
Great to see the effort.
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Only 5 sides have scored more than us, only 4 have conceded more.
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It’s a joy watching this team. They frustrate at times but fucking hell they try
We are rarely in a boring game!!
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Excellent point. Good performance, but Mings, who I thought was otherwise very good, needs to cut the errors out. Wasn’t too impressed with Doug or Trez, Wesley very good, Jack Jack and the rest all decent.
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Other than the 2nd half at Man City, we have been in every game this season. These fuckers have some bollocks.
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I love us and I hate them. We wuz robbed as usual by these fuckers. We'll have them on toast at home I think.
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Great response after going a goal down, United are still a hard team to beat at Old Trafford, Liverpool couldn't beat them. Looking forward to seeing Jack's goal on MOTD. Well done Villa
UP THE VILLA
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Only 5 sides have scored more than us, only 4 have conceded more.
Defensively we're pretty good against bottom half teams. Clean sheets v Everton, Newcastle and West Ham and only conceded more than once to Burnley and Bournmouth (and that was a freak opening ten minutes).
Just need to sharpen up against the better attacks but we're not the only club who struggle in that regard.
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And it was a shame El Ghazi had to go off, he’d have murdered their left back. He looked right up for it, and I think he’s showing big improvement.
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I'd like to see Marvelous back in for Chelsea (instead of Doug) and if AEG isn't fit Lansbury to start. Where's Jota?
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Typical bias for the Plastics. Only 4 minutes added on. They can count themselves very lucky.
Overall a good team performance, MOTM goes to either Freddy who had so much work to do and managed to deal with almost everything. The other is Conor who really helped with the dirty work and helped the midfield enjoy so much space today. I'd have taken a point before the game but now gutted we didn't take all three.
Red Café is fun. They're nearly all calling for Ole's head. They really are the definition of plastic fans.
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Red Café is fun. They're nearly all calling for Ole's head. They really are the definition of plastic fans.
They're right though. It was a barking mad appointment - that no other major club would have even contemplated - and the sooner they bin him the better, as far as they're concerned.
As far as I'm concerned, long may it continue.
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Even game between two sides destined for mid table at the end of the season. I know Mings made a cock up for their first goal, but I thought he was very good apart from that.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1z1_kKfUnqc
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If only Jack had buried that chance. He was, however, a cut above. Keep your head up son, you were the best player on that pitch by a mile.
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Great point Villa! Well done. It's great putting a bang average team and set of supporters in their place. 2 well taken goals from Jack and Tyrone. Onto Chelski now, nothing to fear there either. UTV!
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I'd like to see Marvelous back in for Chelsea (instead of Doug) and if AEG isn't fit Lansbury to start. Where's Jota?
Gullibert suspended so guess we'll see AEM in aswell unless Konsa can play there.
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Even game between two sides destined for mid table at the end of the season. I know Mings made a cock up for their first goal, but I thought he was very good apart from that.
Scored the equaliser too!
Listening to the Newton Heathens on Talksport now. To paraphrase Greta Thunberg: how dare we get something against them! :D
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Fuckin ace point there. Will take it anyday of the week...Aston Villa are slowly but surely coming back and I love it
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https://www.skysports.com/football/man-utd-vs-a-villa/408115
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Superb point awwy from home against a very poor united team
Thought Mcginn was terrible again and needs to be dropped. Over runs with the ball and don't look up. Shite
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A couple of plastics at work (origin Ayr, Scotland and Worcester fans since 1986 apparently, how convenient) so will enjoy quipping with them tomorrow and they won't be able to go to VP this year as will be sold out well in advance
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Superb point awwy from home against a very poor united team
Thought Mcginn was terrible again and needs to be dropped. Over runs with the ball and don't look up. Shite
Agree re sjm my dream team patience run out too . If el Ghazi fit try something different... him and trez wide , jack just behind front 3 ?
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Superb point awwy from home against a very poor united team
Thought Mcginn was terrible again and needs to be dropped. Over runs with the ball and don't look up. Shite
He probably needs a rest. Marvellous and Luis v Chelsea.
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What is Anwar's injury?
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We deserved to win that. Great heart to fight back for the draw.
Small quibble...we gift the ball back to the opposition way too much.
...and I'd also like to highlight the ref's excellent performance.
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100 percent improvement from the Wolves game. To be disappointed to come away from Manure with only a point shows how far we have come in 12 months.
It also shows how far Man Utd have fallen. Thoroughly outplayed on successive weekends by promoted teams. Strip away the Old Trafford factor, if it still exists, and it's a disappointing result against a mid table side under huge pressure. Thought we lacked conviction in the first half when they were there for the taking. Handed them a goal but never really pushed on to get the second. United improved in the second half and I think a draw was a fair result overall. Very disappointed with our midfield, powder puff without the ball and didn't show enough courage with the ball in second half.
Heaton 6 - seems a bit unsure coming off his line. Involved in the mess for the first and didn't leave his line after it. Letting Lingaard get that ball second half was embarrassing.
Guilbert 7 - absolute bargain signing. Sharp on ball and quick on turn. Picking up too many yellows though.
Konsa 5 - the right choice to start but really poor for their first and got away with a huge mistake for Martials miss. Seemed unsure of himself.
Mings 7 - big mistake for their goal, took a chance with no cover near him. His unforced errors are costing us goals. Made up for this one with a fine finish.
Targett 7 - solid performance and an assist. Big improvement last two games from the Wolves debacle.
Luiz 6 - in the team on reputation only for me. Started well but a passenger without the ball. Far too soft physically, doesnt track runners and didn't get us playing second half with the ball.
McGinn 5 - really poor and in a rut form wise now. Lost the ball a lot and seemed off the pace without it.
Hourihane 6 - good first half generally but set pieces were surprisingly poor. Passenger without ball second half.
AEG/Trez 6 - AEG limped off early, Trez tried hard, made the Grealish chance, unlucky for the offside goal. But he lacks pace, and horribly one sided against a very average left back.
Grealish 8 - dominated first half and scored a brilliant goal. Quieter in second but still drew numerous free kicks, yellow cards and missed a sitter. Set pieces were average.
Wes 6 - held ball up well at times but forwards have to offer an attacking threat, he doesn't. Assist for their second goal.
Lansbury 5 - surprising pick ahead of Nakamba given stage of game. We needed legs in midfield but he doesn't offer any. Poor sub.
Smith 6 - set up team well but in game management remains desperately poor and reactive. No idea why Nakamba hasn't fallen so far out of favour, we were crying out for his mobility and presence in the second half.
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Excellent point gained at the theatre of shite.
McGinn needs dropping, he's been a non-contributing passenger for weeks now. Wesley? I'm still not a fan of this guy despite his hustle-and-bustling performance. I like my forwards to have a bit of skill about them and look a goal threat, Wesley is neither.
Hopefully Mings now understands that he can't dilly-dally on the ball, kick it out man and all will be good most of the time.
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I hope Manure don't sack Solskjaer after todays game. The so called 'football family' would never forgive us.
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We have had some really tough away games. Most of the too teams already ticked off.
Chelsea next up but then things look a bit more doable for us.
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Gobby Cabbage on the wind up in BBC match thread. All about Grealish being better than Villa and should be ManU player.
Utter wind up merchant as always.
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Ahh the bloke who doesn't know how far his own country is from the midlands. Yeah I'll take him serious.
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Gobby Cabbage on the wind up in BBC match thread. All about Grealish being better than Villa and should be ManU player.
Utter wind up merchant as always.
He's better than ManU currently. For sure
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Robbie Savages opinion on anything Villa related is about as relevant as my opinion on what it feels like to be a lesbian.
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Trezeguet's goal should have stood. Daylight robbery yet again. Had Ronaldo scored that Grealish goal, we'd be seeing it for breakfast, lunch and tea for the next six months.
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Just about a fair point overall. We were much the better team in the first half, but ran out of steam a bit in the second. A sign of how far we've progressed and how far they've fallen that a point was a disappointment. Scores on the doors:
Heaton - 6
Guilbert - 7
Mings - 6
Konsa - 7
Targett - 7
Luiz - 6
Hourihane - 7
McGinn - 6
Grealish - 8
Wesley - 6
Trezeguet - 7
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Trezeguet's goal should have stood. Daylight robbery yet again. Had Ronaldo scored that Grealish goal, we'd be seeing it for breakfast, lunch and tea for the next six months.
Jack was offside for Trezeguet's goal, so not sure it can be described as daylight robbery?
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I think Targett did very well defensively against Daniel James today, who is lightning quick.
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Trezeguet's goal should have stood. Daylight robbery yet again. Had Ronaldo scored that Grealish goal, we'd be seeing it for breakfast, lunch and tea for the next six months.
Jack was offside for Trezeguet's goal, so not sure it can be described as daylight robbery?
No mate, Trezeguet was offside but not active until the second phase. If I'm wrong, I humbly apologise but that's they way I saw it.
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Trezeguet's goal should have stood. Daylight robbery yet again. Had Ronaldo scored that Grealish goal, we'd be seeing it for breakfast, lunch and tea for the next six months.
Jacks back leg was offside and even the lino gave it so it wouldn't have stood with or without Var.
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I think Targett did very well defensively against Daniel James today, who is lightning quick.
Yep I'd agree with that. I was worried too after the way Traore tore him a new one in the Wolves game, but to be fair to him he's come back from that very well.
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Trezeguet's goal should have stood. Daylight robbery yet again. Had Ronaldo scored that Grealish goal, we'd be seeing it for breakfast, lunch and tea for the next six months.
Jack was offside for Trezeguet's goal, so not sure it can be described as daylight robbery?
No mate, Trezeguet was offside but not active until the second phase. If I'm wrong, I humbly apologise but that's they way I saw it.
As Jack was tracking back, the moment the looping ball was played back out to him his foot was clearly offside.
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I haven't seen a replay since the game but was Wesley not a mile offside? That's what the linesman was flagging for I assumed, since he provided the assist
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I think Targett did very well defensively against Daniel James today, who is lightning quick.
Daniel James is also lightning quick when it comes to cheating.
A Manure fan on 606 wasn't happy that they couldn't beat little old Aston Villa today. A bit like they couldn't beat Sheffield United last week either. A bit like they couldn't beat Rochdale in the cup without going to penalties. They really do need to reign in their arrogance.
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Trezeguet's goal should have stood. Daylight robbery yet again. Had Ronaldo scored that Grealish goal, we'd be seeing it for breakfast, lunch and tea for the next six months.
Jack was offside for Trezeguet's goal, so not sure it can be described as daylight robbery?
This business of using leg positions to determine offside is ridiculous.
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Jack and Wesley were offside.
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Yeah, i've just had another look. It was a calf muscle offside. My apologies. (I'm still claiming robbery though, as is my right).
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(https://i.ibb.co/0Mz7D2Y/Screenshot-51.png)
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A second so called Villa fan of the night now trying to flog Jack on Talksport.
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But the rules says:
"Offside offence
A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is played or touched* by a team-mate is only penalised on becoming involved in active play by:
interfering with play by playing or touching a ball passed or touched by a team-mate or
interfering with an opponent by:
preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision or
challenging an opponent for the ball or
clearly attempting to play a ball which is close when this action impacts on an opponent or
making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball"
He was just strolling back down the wing, nowhere near anybody.
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Have they dropped the rule where you can be ahead of the play (offside) but if you are retreating - like jack - then you become on-side again once the opposition defence plays you onside again?
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The ball goes to Jack who crosses to Wesley. Both were involved in the goal.
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As Grealish was the player that touched the ball next after it was played forward I don't see how we can argue he was inactive.
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But the rules says:
"Offside offence
A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is played or touched* by a team-mate is only penalised on becoming involved in active play by:
interfering with play by playing or touching a ball passed or touched by a team-mate or
interfering with an opponent by:
preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision or
challenging an opponent for the ball or
clearly attempting to play a ball which is close when this action impacts on an opponent or
making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball"
He was just strolling back down the wing, nowhere near anybody.
Yes but the ball was played wide to him and he made the cross that led to goal mouth scramble.
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massive monkey off our backs for me
I know they are not the Man Utd of old but we really really needed to get something out of one of the so called top 6 sides to give us some belief that we could do it
I didn’t think we would but we did so now we can move on with a bit more confidence
My 11 year old lad has never seen us lose at Old Trafford he don’t know what all the fuss is about
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Happy enough with a point.
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Have they dropped the rule where you can be ahead of the play (offside) but if you are retreating - like jack - then you become on-side again once the opposition defence plays you onside again?
I don't believe that was ever the case. If one was interfering, you've always been off. We see players penalised all the time for coming back from an offside position.
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(https://i.ibb.co/0Mz7D2Y/Screenshot-51.png)
I don't believe that that shows the exact millisecond that the ball is played.
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Have they dropped the rule where you can be ahead of the play (offside) but if you are retreating - like jack - then you become on-side again once the opposition defence plays you onside again?
I don't believe that was ever the case. If one was interfering, you've always been off. We see players penalised all the time for coming back from an offside position.
I’m wrong. You and PWS are correct. There needs to be another ‘phase of play’ to be back on side, typically someone else touching the ball.
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Would hate taken that before the game so i am happy and what a goal by Jack
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Although it's one of the poorest Yanited teams in 30 years they still don't lose that many at home, so I'll take a point.
I said after Newcastle Jack frustrated me by not backing himself often enough to have a pop at goal from a decent position. I said that if he could get past that he'd be some player. His goal was the kind of thing I was thinking of and shows what he is capable of. Shame he didn't put that sitter away...
I think Heaton could and should have claimed the cross for the first goal, and there's been a few like that this season. Too rooted to his line.
Mings = Tommy Elphick with dreadlocks. Well not quite but certainly some similarities in the regular bollock-dropping stakes.
To improve we need to cut out the stupid mistakes and improve our fitness. Sometimes it's that simple, the team that makes the fewest errors comes out on top.
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An unexpected away point, at a ground which we have rarely come home with anything. Could of been 3 points, hopefully the players feel the same way and gain confidence which they can carry forward to Stamford Bridge on Wednesday.
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I don't believe that that shows the exact millisecond that the ball is played.
Wesley's position is irrelevant because Jack takes it to the byline before crossing.
It's 'offside' because in that shot, Jack's right foot is offside.
I don't know what the linesman flagged for but it won't have been Jack's right foot.
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(https://i.ibb.co/0Mz7D2Y/Screenshot-51.png)
I don't believe that that shows the exact millisecond that the ball is played.
Wesley's position is irrelevant because Jack takes it to the byline before crossing.
It's 'offside' because in that shot, Jack's right foot is offside.
I don't know what the linesman flagged for but it won't have been Jack's right foot.
They must have breathed a huge sigh of relief at Stockley Park when they saw that leg.
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I think Targett did very well defensively against Daniel James today, who is lightning quick.
2 good games on the bounce then
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JM is a worry, whether its because he needs a rest or that Grealish is playing a more forward role meaning he has to play a more defensive game I'm not sure but we need him firing again. Wesley cannot be faulted for effort and yes he put himself about but he presents little danger to defences.
What I take from the game was the way we went for the win, yes there were mistakes but if we can get a couple of quality players in after Xmas mid table or even better is a strong possibility.
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Tyrone your no franz beckenbauer Yet! Too many mistakes by being too cocky - sooty but true
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I think that was the best I’ve seen us play all season. Mostly very assured on the ball. Both sides moved the ball around very well. Utd were dizzyingly fast at times, but we were great on the break too. To me, we look like we now belong in the premier league. Grealish in particular is stand out quality. They had three on him at times. I quite like soljkskaer, always have done, but no way would I swap him for Dean Smith. For once I thought the match officials did OK there too. They got a few more of the 50/50s, but you expect that away from home. Really enjoyed the performance and it really is a mark of how far we’ve come in quite a short time, when we’re a bit gutted not to beating them at Old Trafford.
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I don't believe that that shows the exact millisecond that the ball is played.
What technology do you reckon they use to create those lines?
Etch a Sketch is my guess.
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Looks like they've been done with a builder's chalk line reel.
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Would have taken a draw before kick off, obviously slightly disappointed that we (as the better side) didn't win. But at least we showed guts to bring it back to 2-2.
The sheer amount of wailing and gnashing of teeth emanating from Old Trafford has cheered me right up. I hope Tottenham and Mourinho stuff them on Wednesday.
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Thought we played excellent in spells today. Wesley held the ball up and battled well without ever looking like scoring. Konsa was solid again and Jack was head and shoulders above anyone else on the pitch, just oozes class.
Had tickets in the home end and my god their fans are awful. No atmosphere at all, it was like being at the cinema in the upper tier of the stand we were in, totally out sung by our lot. Well done all.
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My son stupidly left his hat and scarf under his seat in block E232. Row 23, seat 2. If any h&v'ers managed to pick it up please can you drop me a PM. Cheers!
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We’ve come a very long way in 12 months. UTV.
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Thought we played excellent in spells today. Wesley held the ball up and battled well without ever looking like scoring. Konsa was solid again and Jack was head and shoulders above anyone else on the pitch, just oozes class.
Had tickets in the home end and my god their fans are awful. No atmosphere at all, it was like being at the cinema in the upper tier of the stand we were in, totally out sung by our lot. Well done all.
Yes, Wesley was much better at holding up and linking play today, but as you say he didn't ever look like getting into a dangerous position let alone scoring.
Jack was fouled about half a dozen times and three of their yellow cards were due to fouls on him as they just couldn't cope with him. A draw was the very least we deserved.
It was sloppy play from Mings which eventually led to their equaliser. He does a bit too much of that, but did redeem himself.
I hadn't been to OT for some years, but it is a great stadium; although like any ground the away facilities always lag behind.
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I don't believe that that shows the exact millisecond that the ball is played.
What technology do you reckon they use to create those lines?
Etch a Sketch is my guess.
In that photo the ball could still be heading towards Conor's foot, and Jack could have been onside by the time it reached it. Not convincing is it?
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Im surprised its even a talking point, he was clearly offside.
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Tommy Elphick with dreadlocks, really, hmm!! Could of won, but very happy with point. Chelsea and Leicester may be more tricky, but been a good week.
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Thought we played excellent in spells today. Wesley held the ball up and battled well without ever looking like scoring. Konsa was solid again and Jack was head and shoulders above anyone else on the pitch, just oozes class.
Had tickets in the home end and my god their fans are awful. No atmosphere at all, it was like being at the cinema in the upper tier of the stand we were in, totally out sung by our lot. Well done all.
On MOTD. It sounded like they were noisier than you give them credit for. Combination of cleverly placed microphones and a generous nudge of the volume button methinks
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Tommy Elphick with dreadlocks, really, hmm!! Could of won, but very happy with point. Chelsea and Leicester may be more tricky, but been a good week.
Will be very interesting to see the dynamics of Smith V Rogers.
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(https://i.ibb.co/0Mz7D2Y/Screenshot-51.png)
I don't believe that that shows the exact millisecond that the ball is played.
What technology do you reckon they use to create those lines?
Etch a Sketch is my guess.
It’s the printer ink cartridge change alignment grid. They just overlay it on the pitch and move players to fit.
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Are there any sites that list how many fouls each player did?
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Tyrone your no franz beckenbauer Yet! Too many mistakes by being too cocky - sooty but true
Sooty but true? Do you mean he has to izzy wizzy let's get busy?
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Are there any sites that list how many fouls each player did?
I like this (https://www.sofascore.com/aston-villa-manchester-united/KP) one.
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Tommy Elphick with dreadlocks, really, hmm!! Could of won, but very happy with point. Chelsea and Leicester may be more tricky, but been a good week.
Really hmm what?
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Are there any sites that list how many fouls each player did?
I like this (https://www.sofascore.com/aston-villa-manchester-united/KP) one.
Thanks, that's perfect. Pereira only did three fouls then, so not as bad as it sounded.
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It was uncanny watching a Man Utd side not full of cheating diving whinging c***s being backed by a bent referee.
That's 2 points dropped for me. Until Mings put Heaton in trouble and gave them that corner for their first goal it looked like a 0-2 or 1-3 was on the cards.
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Weird that Axel Tuanzebe can't get a start for them. But I guess when you've paid over the odds for Maguire you have to play him.
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Are there any sites that list how many fouls each player did?
I like this (https://www.sofascore.com/aston-villa-manchester-united/KP) one.
Thanks, that's perfect. Pereira only did three fouls then, so not as bad as it sounded.
The first two were "reducers" on JG, thereafter others took over. Clear direction from the "baby faced assassin". Forutnately for us, Jack has at last been trained to ride these tackles.
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The Match of the Day coverage had a lengthy feature on how many times they kicked Grealish! They would never have dared when Ferguson was in charge.
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Alan Green on R5 was quite clear about him being targeted, and with tackles meant to hurt him. I know he is always fulminating about something, but he was enraged by the referee's lack of concern.
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What really fucks me off is how so many fans of other clubs go on about him diving when I don't think i've ever seen a Villa player get hacked down as often as Jack is. How he doesn't pick up more injuries from some of the challenges is a miracle.
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Tommy Elphick with dreadlocks, really, hmm!! Could of won, but very happy with point. Chelsea and Leicester may be more tricky, but been a good week.
Will be very interesting to see the dynamics of Smith V Rogers.
For some bizarre reason I am struggling to understand I am more worried about Leicester than any other game so far. Leicester were already good but holy cow has Rodgers improved them. They are just such a superb team team to watch. It will such a great test for us.
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Leicester are a terrific side but they'll slip up at some point you'd think (I know everyone said that when they won the league). Vardy cant keep going like this. I think it'll be a tremendous game tbh.
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World class finish from Jack and he had a great game. Deliberately hacked own in the first minute and it went on from there. A definite tactic from Man U as with other clubs this season.
Apart from gifting them the first goal and the last few nervous minutes I've got to say that I really enjoyed watching us play.
We seem to have really come to terms with being back in PL and think we are gonna be okay.
Watching on the telly the prawn sandwich brigade sounded pretty quiet you could only hear our fans.
Well done to them.
UTV
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It's a game we should have won because Man Utd really were poor by their standards. Still, if you come away from Old Trafford thinking that you've dropped points, it means we are heading in the right direction.
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Of the games I’ve seen, this was our best performance, played some nice football and scored a couple of nicely worked goals. We were good on the break against City and generally good against a poor quality Newcastle side. This was us just about edging it on points (in boxing terms) against a decent quality Utd side. Yes, they’re not a patch on the Ferguson sides, but they still have pace and power. Our team, including the coaching staff, should be proud of that result and performance. Not in a plucky underdog way, but because we went there, played on our terms and with a bit of luck could easily have had all 3 points. That performance will make other sides pay attention to us. If we can get something against Chelsea and Leicester, and also play as well as we did against Utd, you’d have to be reasonably pleased with the first half of the season and look to kick in after strengthening a bit in Jan.
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World class finish from Jack and he had a great game. Deliberately hacked own in the first minute and it went on from there. A definite tactic from Man U as with other clubs this season.
Apart from gifting them the first goal and the last few nervous minutes I've got to say that I really enjoyed watching us play.
We seem to have really come to terms with being back in PL and think we are gonna be okay.
Watching on the telly the prawn sandwich brigade sounded pretty quiet you could only hear our fans.
Well done to them.
UTV
We sat opposite the Villa fans (with the prawn sandwich brigade) Have to say our fans were singing loud and proud right from the off. One Utd fan by us kept shouting in a cockney accent "shut the fuck up villa" which i found quite amusing. We were in the Manchester suite and there were loads of villa in there. Great day and i think it's safe to say Grealish has arrived on the big stage. Easily the best player on the pitch. Some of their lot seem to think it's only a matter of time before they sign him.
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I thought we were fantastic. Really great. Mings was probably the poorest but even he made up for error for the goal.
I havent been a big fan of trez but he was brilliant yesterday. Best game for us yet.
Also have to give konsa a big shout out. Only his second start and he was great. Grealish was motm for me and that was a utter world class goal.
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Enjoyed yesterday, walked away from OT disappointed we hadn't got more. The key for me was that we should have been leading at half time. We absolutely gifted them that equaliser.
The fact that they are so poor and decided to just target Jack by hacking him at every opportunity says so much about them, and was also a great compliment to us. The Foul straight after kick off was a definite yellow, yet nothing.
The only downside for me yesterday was how FOUR Man U fans had tickets in our end. Baring in mind they're like gold dust, I'm not sure how it was even possible, I can't imagine many of our fans having four tickets to sell, let alone giving them up to home fans.
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I havent been a big fan of trez but he was brilliant yesterday. Best game for us yet.
Out of all the new signings he was the one who I was unsure of for the longest, thought he started very slowly and didnt really show much, but I think hes been very good for the last 3 or 4 games.
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After watching MOTD back I realised we definitely should have got more than a draw. As has been said, killer to give the goal away just before half time, and Jack’s sitter second half.
Also, I was in the back row of the away end in front of the exec boxes. Hasn’t heard anything from United fans until they went 2-1 up. Then when we equalised we gave it back and the stewards started wading in. Knobheads.
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https://www.skysports.com/football/man-utd-vs-a-villa/408115
dont show the grealish sitter
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love Mings but he needs to take a leaf out of the great McGrath book, safety first
i never saw McGrath take unnecessary risks never
he would put the ball into touch and take up his defensive position pronto where the team was more organised and ready
i see other defenders trying to look good and come unstuck,
no one looked better than Paul he was the greatest of them all but he knew when to clear his lines and put the ball into safety
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Tyrone your no franz beckenbauer Yet! Too many mistakes by being too cocky - sooty but true
Sooty but true? Do you mean he has to izzy wizzy let's get busy?
I'd rather he played sweep.
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Old Trafford is a strange place these days, it has more of feel of a tourist attraction than a football ground. I walked from the Tram stop at the cricket ground and the amount of half and half scarf sellers was unbelievable.
And whilst it’s still impressive size-wise once your inside, on closer inspection it’s starting to look really tatty and neglected.
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Old Trafford is a strange place these days, it has more of feel of a tourist attraction than a football ground. I walked from the Tram stop at the cricket ground and the amount of half and half scarf sellers was unbelievable.
And whilst it’s still impressive size-wise once your inside, on closer inspection it’s starting to look really tatty and neglected.
Is that the team as well?
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Great day yesterday went to the National Football Museum in Manchester before the game we played really well what a brilliant goal by Jack you are right Old Trafford does look tatty needs doing up.
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Chatted to a United season ticket holder on the train back to London last night. He was very complimentary about us as a team, and picked out Jack and Wesley as our best two players. Said Wesley led the line well, constantly moving their defence around and bringing midfielders into play when the ball was played up to him.
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Great day yesterday went to the National Football Museum in Manchester before the game we played really well what a brilliant goal by Jack you are right Old Trafford does look tatty needs doing up.
Darren I am shocked that visited the NFM in Manchester. I refuse to go there as the National Football Museum should have been located in Birmingham.
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Starting to feel that Grealish would make a good shadow striker. Would lessen the workload for Wesley.
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Greater Manchester Police are investigating reports that Aston Villa were robbed at the Theatre of Screams and Jack Grealish was mugged several times by a bunch of over paid, bang average footballers.
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Old Trafford is a strange place these days, it has more of feel of a tourist attraction than a football ground. I walked from the Tram stop at the cricket ground and the amount of half and half scarf sellers was unbelievable.
And whilst it’s still impressive size-wise once your inside, on closer inspection it’s starting to look really tatty and neglected.
Yes, very much the impression I got yesterday after not having been there for a few years.
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Old Trafford is a strange place these days, it has more of feel of a tourist attraction than a football ground. I walked from the Tram stop at the cricket ground and the amount of half and half scarf sellers was unbelievable.
And whilst it’s still impressive size-wise once your inside, on closer inspection it’s starting to look really tatty and neglected.
Yes, very much the impression I got yesterday after not having been there for a few years.
That was said after we played at Arsenal - these new stadia (which TTOD is, realistically) don't age well.
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I enjoyed it when Maguire got booked for fouling AEG early doors. He was all 'But it's my first foul ref!' Refreshingly, the ref was 'no fucks given! Here's a yellow' you c***'. It's a pity he didn't do that when Jack was felled as soon as he got a touch.
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I enjoyed it when Maguire got booked for fouling AEG. He was all 'But it's my first foul ref!' Refreshingly, the ref was 'no fucks given! Here's a yellow' you c***'. It's a pity he didn't do that when Jack was felled as soon as he got a touch.
Well said BE. Refs don't make their job any easier if they apply these mythical concepts of foul accumulation being related to bookings. This isn't fucking basketball. Sadly footballers know that they can usually get a few good kicks in before the first yellow comes out.
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A well earned point and a great overall performance. Some really daft comments on here though, Mings “Elphick with dreadlocks” being the pick. Mings is an excellent player for us, an excellent leader too. His mistake apart, he was very good yesterday.
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A well earned point and a great overall performance. Some really daft comments on here though, Mings “Elphick with dreadlocks” being the pick. Mings is an excellent player for us, an excellent leader too. His mistake apart, he was very good yesterday.
He's making too many mistakes, and they quite often lead to goals, as they did yesterday. There's always at least when moment in every game when he pisses about on the ball, and either gets caught in possession or has to play a pass to a team mate, putting them under pressure. He's done it loads of times, including against Newcastle when they should have scored, and against Man U when they did from the resulting set piece. Needs to cut it out, otherwise he needs to be dropped.
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Old Trafford is a strange place these days, it has more of feel of a tourist attraction than a football ground. I walked from the Tram stop at the cricket ground and the amount of half and half scarf sellers was unbelievable.
And whilst it’s still impressive size-wise once your inside, on closer inspection it’s starting to look really tatty and neglected.
Guardian journalist David Conn has mentioned the state of the ground a few times as part of his criticism of the owners, neglected seems to be the correct term.
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A well earned point and a great overall performance. Some really daft comments on here though, Mings “Elphick with dreadlocks” being the pick. Mings is an excellent player for us, an excellent leader too. His mistake apart, he was very good yesterday.
Oh I don’t know, calling him the new Titus Bramble ran it close for sheer crass stupidlity
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A well earned point and a great overall performance. Some really daft comments on here though, Mings “Elphick with dreadlocks” being the pick. Mings is an excellent player for us, an excellent leader too. His mistake apart, he was very good yesterday.
Oh I don’t know, calling him the new Titus Bramble ran it close for sheer crass stupidlity
That was me. At least I can spell *stupidity*. But anyway, I think it's a fair comparison. A generally sound defender, prone to absolute howlers.
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Yeah that was a stupidtly mistake. But Titus Bramble, really ? I agree Mings needs to cut out the unforced mistakes but give the bloke a break ...
You’ll be calling Smith the new Mc Claren next 😊
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A well earned point and a great overall performance. Some really daft comments on here though, Mings “Elphick with dreadlocks” being the pick. Mings is an excellent player for us, an excellent leader too. His mistake apart, he was very good yesterday.
His mistakes (plural) are what I based the comment on. Mings has played well generally but if any comment is daft it's saying he's been excellent when he's made cock ups at Arsenal, Man City, Norwich, ManYew, to name a few, which led directly or indirectly to goals conceded. Not to mention other unforced errors like against Newcastle. Elphick often played very well but then let himself and others down with frequent cock-ups. So daft my arse and maybe you need to remove your Mings-ray specs.
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Yeah that was a stupidtly mistake. But Titus Bramble, really ? I agree Mings needs to cut out the unforced mistakes but give the bloke a break ...
You’ll be calling Smith the new Mc Claren next 😊
Actually, I think somebody else made the same point, just a second:
Tyrone Bramble is shit. Get him off
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Blackadder once said to Baldrick “ you really don’t get irony do you?” “Yes my Lord,” says Baldrick “ it’s like Goldy and Silvery but not worth as much.”
It was posted immediately after he scored. Maybe too subtle....
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Ah fair enough. Point remains though, he makes far too many cock ups, and I hardly think it's rank stupidity to point that out.
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A well earned point and a great overall performance. Some really daft comments on here though, Mings “Elphick with dreadlocks” being the pick. Mings is an excellent player for us, an excellent leader too. His mistake apart, he was very good yesterday.
His mistakes (plural) are what I based the comment on. Mings has played well generally but if any comment is daft it's saying he's been excellent when he's made cock ups at Arsenal, Man City, Norwich, ManYew, to name a few, which led directly or indirectly to goals conceded. Not to mention other unforced errors like against Newcastle. Elphick often played very well but then let himself and others down with frequent cock-ups. So daft my arse and maybe you need to remove your Mings-ray specs.
No it’s daft. He’s been immense for us since he’s been here in every aspect. A talisman for the club. Every player We have makes errors at some point. Konsa made one near the end which could easily have resulted in a goal for a winner for them when he should have put his boot through the ball. Fortunately Martial put the ball over. No mention of that though. Talk of him being dropped is also daft.
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I like many thought we played really well and should have been a couple of goals clear in first half where I thought we passed and moved really well. The only answer they had for JG was to hack at him.
Really wished we could of found a winner from somewhere but a point is better than I had thought before the game.
Listened to TS this morning and the fat prat that is man mountain Brazil said that Jack had Spurs written all over him - it wont be long before the journos start with "Jack needs to move to get the England place" I bet that ginger pube Durham will start it.
Without Tammy Chelsea looked bang average as well - lets hope Dean can keep up the 100% record he has against Lampard.
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Ah fair enough. Point remains though, he makes far too many cock ups, and I hardly think it's rank stupidity to point that out.
Agreed, if he can cut out the cock ups he will be a fine player. Maybe stupidity was a bit harsh, it is a game of opinions after all. Soz.
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For the record, I think Mings is a superb player, but he's not been at hist best in recent games, and he needs to cut out the mistakes. Most of the trouble has come from him dallying on the ball for too long, you just can't do that in the Premier League and expect to not get punished.
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I think it is easily forgotten, perhaps as he is a bit older or due to his impressive character, that, particularly in terms of matches played, Mings is effectively still learning the game - especially in the Premier League.
Due to his injuries, he had only started about ten Premier League games for Bournemouth and I think they have also meant that Konsa and Engles have actually made more senior appearances than Tyrone before this season.
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For the record, I think Mings is a superb player, but he's not been at hist best in recent games, and he needs to cut out the mistakes. Most of the trouble has come from him dallying on the ball for too long, you just can't do that in the Premier League and expect to not get punished.
Good summary. He is a good player and athlete. However, he sometimes tries to play about at the back too much and also too slowly which invites trouble. Then when pressed, he has to go back to Heaton who has to clear it upfield anyway.
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What our players have to learn; Mings very much included in this, is that a lack of concentration or any display of complacency is punished severely at this level. In the Championship the quality of the opposing forwards means you can get away with more. Mings is an excellent player but he has to come to grips with that quickly. Play the percentages.
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It's not like it's a fundamental flaw or weakness in his game. He's quick, great in the air, a superb tackler and he reads the game very well. He just needs to learn that occasionally there's nothing wrong with a good hard thwack up field. Yesterday he tried to dummy the Man U player about three times, and didn't get away with it.
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A well earned point and a great overall performance. Some really daft comments on here though, Mings “Elphick with dreadlocks” being the pick. Mings is an excellent player for us, an excellent leader too. His mistake apart, he was very good yesterday.
His mistakes (plural) are what I based the comment on. Mings has played well generally but if any comment is daft it's saying he's been excellent when he's made cock ups at Arsenal, Man City, Norwich, ManYew, to name a few, which led directly or indirectly to goals conceded. Not to mention other unforced errors like against Newcastle. Elphick often played very well but then let himself and others down with frequent cock-ups. So daft my arse and maybe you need to remove your Mings-ray specs.
No it’s daft. He’s been immense for us since he’s been here in every aspect. A talisman for the club. Every player We have makes errors at some point. Konsa made one near the end which could easily have resulted in a goal for a winner for them when he should have put his boot through the ball. Fortunately Martial put the ball over. No mention of that though. Talk of him being dropped is also daft.
What he did last season is irrelevant to how he's been playing this season. Being a talisman is irrelevant to how he's playing this season. Yes every player makes mistakes and they get pelters for them. Clarke was prone to errors when he played for us, so was Vlaar, so was Elphick. They could all play really well but then fuck it up with a stupid error. And people weren't afraid to say so. Konsa is a youngster taking his first steps in the PL, he's also not an England international. He might deserve a bit of leeway for that. I don't see why Mings should have a permanent get out of jail card or sacred cow status because he won the fans hearts and minds last season. Yes he was great last season, nowadays less so, which anyone can see if they care to admit it, and plenty of other people can based on the last few match threads and post match threads.
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A well earned point and a great overall performance. Some really daft comments on here though, Mings “Elphick with dreadlocks” being the pick. Mings is an excellent player for us, an excellent leader too. His mistake apart, he was very good yesterday.
His mistakes (plural) are what I based the comment on. Mings has played well generally but if any comment is daft it's saying he's been excellent when he's made cock ups at Arsenal, Man City, Norwich, ManYew, to name a few, which led directly or indirectly to goals conceded. Not to mention other unforced errors like against Newcastle. Elphick often played very well but then let himself and others down with frequent cock-ups. So daft my arse and maybe you need to remove your Mings-ray specs.
No it’s daft. He’s been immense for us since he’s been here in every aspect. A talisman for the club. Every player We have makes errors at some point. Konsa made one near the end which could easily have resulted in a goal for a winner for them when he should have put his boot through the ball. Fortunately Martial put the ball over. No mention of that though. Talk of him being dropped is also daft.
What he did last season is irrelevant to how he's been playing this season. Being a talisman is irrelevant to how he's playing this season. Yes every player makes mistakes and they get pelters for them. Clarke was prone to errors when he played for us, so was Vlaar, so was Elphick. They could all play really well but then fuck it up with a stupid error. And people weren't afraid to say so. Konsa is a youngster taking his first steps in the PL, he's also not an England international. He might deserve a bit of leeway for that. I don't see why Mings should have a permanent get out of jail card or sacred cow status because he won the fans hearts and minds last season. Yes he was great last season, nowadays less so, which anyone can see if they care to admit it, and plenty of other people can based on the last few match threads and post match threads.
He got us a point yesterday. Thankfully.
And, he's an England player now on the strength of his performances so he's obviously not as ineffective as you are painting him.
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It's a tough one. When he gets away with it and puts in a good pass it looks great, we keep posession and sometimes start an incisive attack rather than gifting the ball back and inviting more pressure. Rio was often critisized for making too many mistakes but that's the price you can pay if you want ball playing centre backs.
I do agree though, at certain times discretion is the better part of valour and a good hoof is needed.
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One thing I noticed yesterday was we weren't afraid to just knock the ball out of play rather than keeping hold of it and trying to play our way out of trouble. Overall, it worked and helped us get numbers back and control their attacks.
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One thing I noticed yesterday was we weren't afraid to just knock the ball out of play rather than keeping hold of it and trying to play our way out of trouble. Overall, it worked and helped us get numbers back and control their attacks.
I think that is a good point. Mings' error aside, I think the side took a very pragmatic approach; in a way that was not the case earlier in the season. It's a sign that they are learning ... I hope.
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Just a comment on the kit. The quality isn’t there and I won’t be disappointed when we ditch Kappa but the design and colour of the away kit is just the dogs bollocks.
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Just a comment on the kit. The quality isn’t there and I won’t be disappointed when we ditch Kappa but the design and colour of the away kit is just the dogs bollocks.
I hate it. JD Sports managed to send the away again after I'd ordered the home for my lad. I thought about giving it to him but it doesn't look like a kit to me, more a training wear.
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Not the game but they have found a new way to take money off fans. If your bag is larger than 20cmx15cmx5cm you have to leave it at the bag drop point and pay £5.
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Just a comment on the kit. The quality isn’t there and I won’t be disappointed when we ditch Kappa but the design and colour of the away kit is just the dogs bollocks.
The best I can say about it is it looks OK from a distance, but other than that, everything about it is absolute shite.
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Mings is great, but he needs to cut out the mistakes.
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I think with Mings you need to factor in the fact that he is playing in a play it out from the back team, but one that doesn’t have very good screening so we still invite too much pressure on the centre backs. He does definitely have a tendency to mess about on the ball but I think he’s also given loads of opportunities to misplace a pass in games because he sees so much of the ball. So it’s partly just a product of numbers.
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Just a comment on the kit. The quality isn’t there and I won’t be disappointed when we ditch Kappa but the design and colour of the away kit is just the dogs bollocks.
The best I can say about it is it looks OK from a distance, but other than that, everything about it is absolute shite.
Lee Dixon was bigging it up on the NBC coverage yesterday, he loved the design/colours.
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A well earned point and a great overall performance. Some really daft comments on here though, Mings “Elphick with dreadlocks” being the pick. Mings is an excellent player for us, an excellent leader too. His mistake apart, he was very good yesterday.
His mistakes (plural) are what I based the comment on. Mings has played well generally but if any comment is daft it's saying he's been excellent when he's made cock ups at Arsenal, Man City, Norwich, ManYew, to name a few, which led directly or indirectly to goals conceded. Not to mention other unforced errors like against Newcastle. Elphick often played very well but then let himself and others down with frequent cock-ups. So daft my arse and maybe you need to remove your Mings-ray specs.
No it’s daft. He’s been immense for us since he’s been here in every aspect. A talisman for the club. Every player We have makes errors at some point. Konsa made one near the end which could easily have resulted in a goal for a winner for them when he should have put his boot through the ball. Fortunately Martial put the ball over. No mention of that though. Talk of him being dropped is also daft.
What he did last season is irrelevant to how he's been playing this season. Being a talisman is irrelevant to how he's playing this season. Yes every player makes mistakes and they get pelters for them. Clarke was prone to errors when he played for us, so was Vlaar, so was Elphick. They could all play really well but then fuck it up with a stupid error. And people weren't afraid to say so. Konsa is a youngster taking his first steps in the PL, he's also not an England international. He might deserve a bit of leeway for that. I don't see why Mings should have a permanent get out of jail card or sacred cow status because he won the fans hearts and minds last season. Yes he was great last season, nowadays less so, which anyone can see if they care to admit it, and plenty of other people can based on the last few match threads and post match threads.
He got us a point yesterday. Thankfully.
And, he's an England player now on the strength of his performances so he's obviously not as ineffective as you are painting him.
You could say he got us a point you could say he contributed a fair bit to costing us two. I just don't see why he should be beyond criticism when he messes up, no-one else seems to be.
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A well earned point and a great overall performance. Some really daft comments on here though, Mings “Elphick with dreadlocks” being the pick. Mings is an excellent player for us, an excellent leader too. His mistake apart, he was very good yesterday.
His mistakes (plural) are what I based the comment on. Mings has played well generally but if any comment is daft it's saying he's been excellent when he's made cock ups at Arsenal, Man City, Norwich, ManYew, to name a few, which led directly or indirectly to goals conceded. Not to mention other unforced errors like against Newcastle. Elphick often played very well but then let himself and others down with frequent cock-ups. So daft my arse and maybe you need to remove your Mings-ray specs.
No it’s daft. He’s been immense for us since he’s been here in every aspect. A talisman for the club. Every player We have makes errors at some point. Konsa made one near the end which could easily have resulted in a goal for a winner for them when he should have put his boot through the ball. Fortunately Martial put the ball over. No mention of that though. Talk of him being dropped is also daft.
What he did last season is irrelevant to how he's been playing this season. Being a talisman is irrelevant to how he's playing this season. Yes every player makes mistakes and they get pelters for them. Clarke was prone to errors when he played for us, so was Vlaar, so was Elphick. They could all play really well but then fuck it up with a stupid error. And people weren't afraid to say so. Konsa is a youngster taking his first steps in the PL, he's also not an England international. He might deserve a bit of leeway for that. I don't see why Mings should have a permanent get out of jail card or sacred cow status because he won the fans hearts and minds last season. Yes he was great last season, nowadays less so, which anyone can see if they care to admit it, and plenty of other people can based on the last few match threads and post match threads.
He got us a point yesterday. Thankfully.
And, he's an England player now on the strength of his performances so he's obviously not as ineffective as you are painting him.
You could say he got us a point you could say he contributed a fair bit to costing us two. I just don't see why he should be beyond criticism when he messes up, no-one else seems to be.
Plenty of posters have commented when he has made a mistake. It's just that they haven't ignored him playing well for the other 89 minutes of the match or made silly comparisons to Tommy Elphick.
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Mings is great, but he needs to cut out the mistakes.
Have all the unforced mistakes coincided with his international call up? (Arsenal, Norwich, City, United), at fault for the goals conceded v Brighton and Palace too for me.
The one yesterday was inexcusable.as he had no defensive cover near him (Luiz put him in trouble to start with and then as is his wont hid). You could see it about to happen before he cleared the ball. I'm all for playing from the back but Mings was showboating a bit yesterday I thought at times.
I wasn't impressed with Konsa yesterday either. Lost Rashford for the equaliser and nearly gifted Martial the winner.
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Nothing wrong with pointing out mistakes or poor performances of fan favourites. Like most villa fans I love what Mings has brought to our club in terms of leadership and quality, he was nearly as instrumental as Jack in getting us up and generally has been very good this season. That doesn’t mean he’s beyond criticism, on this forum I said he was very poor imo first half against Newcastle.
However, I think, and really no offence meant, that comparisons to other players aren’t very useful. Elphick was a heart and soul trier, but not in the same league in terms of quality as Mings, or Engels, Konsa, Tuanzebe for that matter. So the comparisons a poor one for me and leads us down a path of being more critical of Mings that his general performances deserve.
Saying that, as another poster pointed out and as I thought myself when I watched the game, McGrath didn’t always do the pretty stuff and played percentages, he would of whoofed that one into row z.
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