Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: dave.woodhall on November 26, 2019, 09:35:54 PM
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Another one where you don’t know where to start. During the time H&V has been going they’ve been bad losers, bad winners and now they’re bad losers again. There might come a time when they grow a bit of humility, but now is not that time. Anyone who goes there will be under no illusion that we are strictly on there to make up the numbers and there’d be a minimum spend on all tickets sold if they could get away with it. They might not be the best team in the league anymore but they’re still world champions when it comes to screwing the last penny out of the paying punter. Ole Gunnar Solskjaer still hasn’t made anyone really regret that he didn’t want to be our manager, even when the second choice was Paul Lambert, Ashley Young’s 35, which makes you realise how time’s going too fast and Axel Tuanzebe should get a good reception from our supporters. And that’s about all that’s worth saying about them.
Wouldn’t it be great if we go up there and win? And wouldn’t it not be all that much of a surprise, because they aren’t all that good? There really isn’t anything to fear about them, and a win is definitely possible.
Things newfooty fans won’t know – Not much. They used to support Manchester United. Now they can’t get the tickets a few miles further on.
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I'm refusing to get my hopes up. It's Man U v Villa. Doesn't matter how badly they are playing, or even what team they put out. We will find a way to fuck it up. Probably late on having had the lead.
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Well hopefully their little outing to FC Astana on Thursday will help us.
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1-2. Beetroot Face to leave the directors' box early, with a grinning Purslow sticking his hand out as he stomps out.
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We could be outstanding but you just know what will happen.
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Well hopefully their little outing to FC Astana on Thursday will help us.
None of their first team are going, they're already through.
Goalkeepers: Lee Grant (36), Matej Kovar (19).
Defenders: Max Taylor (19), Luke Shaw (24), Axel Tuanzebe (22), Teden Mengi (17), Di'Shon Bernard (19), Ethan Laird (18).
Midfielder: Dylan Levitt (19), Ethan Galbraith (18), Arnau Puigmal (18), James Garner (18), Jesse Lingard (26), Tahith Chong (19), Angel Gomes (19).
Forwards: Largie Ramazani (19), D'Mani Bughail-Mellor (19), Mason Greenwood (18).
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If we were 9-0 up in the 96th minute and they were down to 8 men I still wouldn’t be confident we’d see it through.
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1-1
Can see us getting something if we play like last night, turn up like we did against Wolverhampton and we'll get beat
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Them 0-5 Us.
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Referee: Craig Pawson
Assistants: Ian Hussin, Darren Cann
Fourth official: Anthony Taylor
VAR: Kevin Friend
Assistant VAR: Matthew Wilkes
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For the first time in possibly 30 years, you can look at the two line ups before a Man U v Villa game and say that we have the stronger midfield.
We’ll be bang up for this and I’m confident we’ll get at least a draw.
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They still have a lot of good players and a lot of pace in the team. They are not a balanced side particularly central midfield and defense.
We can certainly give them a game though but I have experienced too many disappointments to get my hopes up.
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If we were 9-0 up in the 96th minute and they were down to 8 men I still wouldn’t be confident we’d see it through.
This.
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The only good thing about our matches against Man U is the invention of inplay betting for the occasions when we take the lead.
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Well hopefully their little outing to FC Astana on Thursday will help us.
They're taking pretty much a youth team there, think Tuanzebe, Luke Shaw and Lingard are the only seniors travelling. Certainly frustrating in that if they were playing any other team this weekend you can bet they'd have been struggling in the europa group and would've had to take a full first team over, it's an 8 hour flight so not great recovery time.
Edit: CDB already said this.
Anyway....if the players go out on the pitch and really believe they can get a result I think they will.
We've come close to getting points v Arsenal, Spurs and Liverpool and were also holding Man. City 0-0 to half time and Man. United are probably going to finish below all of them.
They're without their first choice central midfielders so we really should be getting at Fred and Pereria, those two really struggled against Sheffield United's middle trio who just passed the ball around them. Very tough call over Luiz or Nakamba, think Dean will stick with unchanged 11.
1-2 win!
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Need Dean to be braver with his subs
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Heady days indeed to even be thinking about possibly wining there . Please stuff them . Three nil Villa , Grealish, SJM and Wesley
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2-1 Villa. Jack with a screamer. Solskjaer to go afterwards and Moyes to come back in to steady the ship with Bruce as assistant.
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I’ll go with guns and roses
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It’s the most confident I’ve ever been about getting a result up there 1-0 to us maybe even 2-0
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I’ve gone for a draw 2-2. We’ll be 2-1 up until the 96th minute...
I wonder if that strange fellow who used to post on here will make an appearance - Willow, or whatever his name was? ****** anyway.
I won’t be happy with anything less than a point from this match. Hate these pricks. Safe travels to everyone who is going. Hope you enjoy the day and have a good time.
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I’ve gone for a draw 2-2. We’ll be 2-1 up until the 96th minute...
I wonder if that strange fellow who used to post on here will make an appearance - Willow, or whatever his name was? c*** anyway.
I won’t be happy with anything less than a point from this match. Hate these pricks. Safe travels to everyone who is going. Hope you enjoy the day and have a good time.
Withington Red, or something. If I remember, one of them on here was okay, and another would be on within seconds of them beating someone like QPR. We've had a few other teams supporters and they never last long.
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Heady days indeed to even be thinking about possibly wining there . Please stuff them . Three nil Villa , Grealish, SJM and Wesley
If we beat them 3-0, we go above them in the table on goal difference :)
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1-2
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Heady days indeed to even be thinking about possibly wining there . Please stuff them . Three nil Villa , Grealish, SJM and Wesley
If we beat them 3-0, we go above them in the table on goal difference :)
Yes please....:)
UTV
The Doc
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I'm going to this so I reckon 1-1 draw but a win would be great.
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We'll never have a better chance to beat them, but we probably won't.
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If Wesley has a stormer I'd back us for a draw - he has to bully their defence all game. I hope the team doesn't bear the weight of this fixture.
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Most of our players won’t have played Man Untd, so our history with them shouldn’t weigh so heavy. Both teams to score, but us to get the win.
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we will play well take the lead or look like getting a point
turn into sponge puddings and lose
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Most of our players won’t have played Man Untd, so our history with them shouldn’t weigh so heavy. Both teams to score, but us to get the win.
They do have very recent experience of fucking up matches against Arsenal, Liverpool and Tottenham in exactly the same way we normally fuck it up against Man U, though.
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This has got more than a whiff of OT November 5 1-1 about it.
1-1
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I'd take a draw at Old Trafford tbh. Even if they are on the wane.
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I would like to win this one by a Staunton-esque stanchion-cracker thunderbastard of a strike.
Ta.
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Have a go, don't Bruce the game and see what happens.
0-1. Grealish.
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I fancy us to beat them when they come here but I doubt we'll do it up there. 2-1 to them.
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A win here is unlikely but by fuck it would be funny. 3-1 us, OGS sacked the next day.
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The Plastics looked relegation fodder a few weeks back but have put together a small run of picking up points. Despite a great comeback last weekend against Sheff Utd, they were lucky to be only 2 goals behind. Maguire and especially Jones look to be their biggest weakness and their midfield ain't up to much. Show them little respect and they look nervous. They're still a threat up front but can blow very hot and cold. Biggest threat will probably be Kevin Friend. Top 4? They're the 4th best team in Lancashire and a million miles away from Red Scouse and Manchester.
I expect the wheels to fall off sooner rather than later. Nuno Esprito Santo may be getting a call to rescue them but they're not the pull they used to be. Steve Bruce may be available by then.
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With Kevin Friend on VAR what could go wrong ?
I have a feeling we'll win this one, especially if Phil Jones is playing, 1-2.
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Hate these fuckers with a passion with the list of obvious reasons endless to anyone of a certain age.
I hope we do not play the occasion as to some players will be the pinnacle of their career to date to be playing at Old Trafford (based on past glories no nowadays) player for player they are no better than us
We really need to be up for this and in their faces from the start - show no respect for them as they deserve none.
A win here would inject life into our season - a timid loss could really knock us back.
Our midfield need to dominate and play to their ability
0-1 (please please let it be so)
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I'd take a point now from each of our next 3 games!
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Most of our players won’t have played Man Untd, so our history with them shouldn’t weigh so heavy. Both teams to score, but us to get the win.
They do have very recent experience of fucking up matches against Arsenal, Liverpool and Tottenham in exactly the same way we normally fuck it up against Man U, though.
Ok fair point
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We are bottom of the Premier League away from home Table.
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I would take a point now.
We always seem to cock it up against manure. I know my manager mates are looking forward to this one as they boasting how they always beat us.
Be great if we went there and won.
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We are bottom of the Premier League away from home Table.
We are second in the table for first halves.
Fourth for first halves away.
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A mate of mine here has just been looking at a few statistics, to help him decide which matches to put on his accumulator this weekend, and he's just sent me the following:
26-12 1989 Villa beat Man Utd 3-0
13-10 1999 Villa beat Man Utd 3-0
12-12 2009 Villa beat Man Utd 0-1
01-12 2019 ???????????
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I’ve gone for a draw 2-2. We’ll be 2-1 up until the 96th minute...
I wonder if that strange fellow who used to post on here will make an appearance - Willow, or whatever his name was? c*** anyway.
I won’t be happy with anything less than a point from this match. Hate these pricks. Safe travels to everyone who is going. Hope you enjoy the day and have a good time.
Withington Red, or something. If I remember, one of them on here was okay, and another would be on within seconds of them beating someone like QPR. We've had a few other teams supporters and they never last long.
There was that West Ham fan - Sendo or something. He was decent.
The amount of glory hunting fans I know. It would be a thing of such beautiful joy to give them a stuffing, purely for them. I live in hope. Man U are just awful. The worst thing about football.
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A mate of mine here has just been looking at a few statistics, to help him decide which matches to put on his accumulator this weekend, and he's just sent me the following:
26-12 1989 Villa beat Man Utd 3-0
13-10 1999 Villa beat Man Utd 3-0
12-12 2009 Villa beat Man Utd 0-1
01-12 2019 ???????????
I like that stat.
Unfortunately I can't see us keeping another clean sheet.
So 2-3. Wesley, McGinn and El Ghazi who will bully their defence drifting in as he did on Sunday.
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I'm there for the first time since 2009.
I'll take another 0-1 thanks!
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D 1-1.
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I'm there for the first time since 2009.
I'll take another 0-1 thanks!
Last time I made it there too, that was.
Did this get down to STHs? I did plan on trying to go, but forgot to remember on time!
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I see K Friend is part of the officiating team on Sunday. W-nker!!
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I'm there for the first time since 2009.
I'll take another 0-1 thanks!
Me too. It must be an omen or something.
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Not too sure about this one.
We can play as well as can be then a combo of ‘bad’ officiating or VAR may bail manure out.
That gabby winner years ago was 27 years in the waiting. Waited 24 years to beat them at home in the league and think 2020 may finally be the year.
They’ve never forgiven us for denying them the domestic treble in 1994 and they’ll never get as close again.
Little known fact - Premier League trophy was sent to Old Trafford in 1993 whilst the league was still undecided. Player of the Year was beyond their influence which is why McGrath won it.
I’d be happy with a 1-1 and they laud McGinn.
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Well, there's certainly nothing to fear and we won't be going there to sit back and hope. If we could get our noses in front then I actually think there's something for the taking. I'd be more confident with Martial still missing as I think he adds something for them but I certainly think if our midfield are on top form then we can get the upper-hand there.
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We are bottom of the Premier League away from home Table.
We are second in the table for first halves.
Fourth for first halves away.
Which points to the problem with game management and second half substitutions, we have been awful with both, particularly away from Home.
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We are bottom of the Premier League away from home Table.
We are second in the table for first halves.
Fourth for first halves away.
Which points to the problem with game management and second half substitutions, we have been awful with both, particularly away from Home.
It points to not quite as bleak a picture as you made out
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With Kevin Friend on VAR, I fancy a 98th minute winner, off the hand of Sir Alex himself as glorious Manchester United win 1-0. Ferguson pushes his way past Mings and Konsa as he kicks Heaton in the head. It goes to VAR but Mr Friend was in the loo at the time and didn't see the incident.
Seriously though, nothing to be scared about up there.
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We are bottom of the Premier League away from home Table.
We are second in the table for first halves.
Fourth for first halves away.
Which points to the problem with game management and second half substitutions, we have been awful with both, particularly away from Home.
It points to not quite as bleak a picture as you made out
I pointed out we are bottom of the league for away games.
No picture just a simple fact.
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Kevin Friend has just sent Jack off, and given them a penalty. The game is 5 days away, but he’s getting his eye in early.
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With Laurel and Hardy at the back and Fred Flinstone in midfield I think we have a great chance of a result here.
I can see a Douglas screamer and SJM goal why Manure will never be able to afford him .
so 0-2 Villa
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We'll never have a better chance to beat them, but we probably won't.
I half agree. We won't beat them, even though they should be beatable.
But I think in the future we will have better chances to beat them. And we won't win those either.
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I reckon we'll get something up there this weekend. It will be the game at Villa Park where we'll throw away a lead and lose at the death
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They’ll somehow sign Federico Macheda this weekend to fuck us. If not we can certainly win this game. Nothing to be afraid of. But we have go out with that attitude.
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What's been encouraging this season is that even after some painful defeats, the team doesn't seem to have lost much confidence. After 3 straight losses, to go out and play like that vs Newcastle was impressive.
What is slightly missing I think is a true belief that we can beat the "top" teams, and I think just one win against one will tip the scales. To that end, I truly hope we get that win against this lot on Sunday. I still can't stand them even though they're mediocre and we owe them so much payback...
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FTF!!!!!
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FTF!!!!!
With a rusty spade
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FTF!!!!!
With a rusty spade
Sideways.
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1-1 shame they have started to hit a bit of form in the last few weeks.
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They’re easily the worst of the ‘big’ teams this season and we’ve made every team work for a win against us. Think it’s a 50/50 game but only because of our inconsistency and inability to close games off, not because if anything they’re bringing.
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I’ve gone for a draw 2-2. We’ll be 2-1 up until the 96th minute...
I wonder if that strange fellow who used to post on here will make an appearance - Willow, or whatever his name was? c*** anyway.
I won’t be happy with anything less than a point from this match. Hate these pricks. Safe travels to everyone who is going. Hope you enjoy the day and have a good time.
Withington Red, or something. If I remember, one of them on here was okay, and another would be on within seconds of them beating someone like QPR. We've had a few other teams supporters and they never last long.
There was that West Ham fan - Sendo or something. He was decent.
Sendo was a gent. These days Frank, (a Fulham fan?) is a good'un too.
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I would like to win this one by a Staunton-esque stanchion-cracker thunderbastard of a strike.
Ta.
Fantastic description. And I'd settle for a repeat on Saturday, this time from Conor Hourihane's left foot (the best Irish one since Stan's...or Christy Brown). Anyway, 1-1 would be decent.
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2-1 unfortunately for me to them. They've rested the 1st team squad from tonight's Europa League game, so should be as fresh if not more than us. Now got to try to find a bar showing it in Kingstown, St Vincent where our cruise ship is due to dock on Sunday morning.
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Don't think we can get away with the same midfield and formation as Monday night. Average and all as Man Utd are these days, it's unlikely their midfield will be as overrun like Shelvey and Hayden were. Based on form, if Nakamba were to come back in, as I expect he should, then it's either Luiz or McGinn to drop out.
Dropping McGinn last season v Birmingham got a great reaction out of him. Might be the trick again.
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Don't think we can get away with the same midfield and formation as Monday night. Average and all as Man Utd are these days, it's unlikely their midfield will be as overrun like Shelvey and Hayden were. Based on form, if Nakamba were to come back in, as I expect he should, then it's either Luiz or McGinn to drop out.
Dropping McGinn last season v Birmingham got a great reaction out of him. Might be the trick again.
It looks like DS will play him when we're expected to attack and bench him wen we're mainly defending. Seems fair enough.
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What today’s Guardian says:
Wesley needs to enhance his game with goals
The last time Aston Villa travelled to Old Trafford – in April 2016 – they lost 1-0 and were relegated. Hear this now: Villa are too good to go down this season, especially if Jack Grealish stays fit. Their prospects would be even brighter if Wesley started scoring regularly. The striker does plenty of admirable work but has had opportunities to score much more than four goals in 13 league games. Villa could pose United a lot of trouble in midfield on Sunday, particularly if Scott McTominay is not in top condition, but they will probably need Wesley to be clinical if they are to complete a significant victory.
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McGinn could do with a rest, as he has basically played out of his skin the last couple of months and if Dean Smith can understand the importance of subs and when to use them, he can come on mid-2nd half.
I'd also swap Kodja for Wesley as at least he knows what the goal is for.
Wesley can hold the ball up but thats all he seems to be able to do.
"Their prospects would be even brighter if Wesley started scoring regularly. The striker does plenty of admirable work but has had opportunities to score much more than four goals in 13 league games. Villa could pose United a lot of trouble in midfield on Sunday, particularly if Scott McTominay is not in top condition, but they will probably need Wesley to be clinical if they are to complete a significant victory. "
Well thats us screwed then if we are relying on Wesley.
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Well Gabby got the winner last time,we won there, who is gonna get the winner this time. I'm going for SJM, 1-0 to the Villa yet again.
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Well Gabby got the winner last time,we won there, who is gonna get the winner this time. I'm going for SJM, 1-0 to the Villa yet again.
That would certainly increase the clamour for United to sign SJM.
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If we beat them by five goals we go above them.
If we simply beat them by just one goal and
- Leicester beat Everton at home
- Chelsea beat West Ham at home
- Citeh beat Newcastle away.
- Liverpool beat Brighton at home
- Burnley beat Palace at home
- Tottenham beat Bournemouth
then we are up to eleventh.
FTF!
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I really fancy us to sneak a result on Sunday however, if we are in front with 5 minutes to go I will be cashing out my win bet! I am still having disturbed sleep from my failure to cash out on the Liverpool game >:(
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What today’s Guardian says:
Wesley needs to enhance his game with goals
The last time Aston Villa travelled to Old Trafford – in April 2016 – they lost 1-0 and were relegated. Hear this now: Villa are too good to go down this season, especially if Jack Grealish stays fit. Their prospects would be even brighter if Wesley started scoring regularly. The striker does plenty of admirable work but has had opportunities to score much more than four goals in 13 league games. Villa could pose United a lot of trouble in midfield on Sunday, particularly if Scott McTominay is not in top condition, but they will probably need Wesley to be clinical if they are to complete a significant victory.
Credit to the journalist for telling us absolutely fuck all. Do they get paid for this?
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If we beat them by five goals we go above them.
If we simply beat them by just one goal and
- Leicester beat Everton at home
- Chelsea beat West Ham at home
- Citeh beat Newcastle away.
- Liverpool beat Brighton at home
- Burnley beat Palace at home
- Tottenham beat Bournemouth
then we are up to eleventh.
FTF!
If we beat them by 3 goals we go above them.
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What today’s Guardian says:
Wesley needs to enhance his game with goals
The last time Aston Villa travelled to Old Trafford – in April 2016 – they lost 1-0 and were relegated. Hear this now: Villa are too good to go down this season, especially if Jack Grealish stays fit. Their prospects would be even brighter if Wesley started scoring regularly. The striker does plenty of admirable work but has had opportunities to score much more than four goals in 13 league games. Villa could pose United a lot of trouble in midfield on Sunday, particularly if Scott McTominay is not in top condition, but they will probably need Wesley to be clinical if they are to complete a significant victory.
Credit to the journalist for telling us absolutely fuck all. Do they get paid for this?
In fairness he's really telling fans of other clubs what he thinks having watched us more than they have. Also good to have an outsider's perspective on things like our survival chances and the potential of Wesley.
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just win, I cannot stand Man Utd!
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What today’s Guardian says:
Wesley needs to enhance his game with goals
The last time Aston Villa travelled to Old Trafford – in April 2016 – they lost 1-0 and were relegated. Hear this now: Villa are too good to go down this season, especially if Jack Grealish stays fit. Their prospects would be even brighter if Wesley started scoring regularly. The striker does plenty of admirable work but has had opportunities to score much more than four goals in 13 league games. Villa could pose United a lot of trouble in midfield on Sunday, particularly if Scott McTominay is not in top condition, but they will probably need Wesley to be clinical if they are to complete a significant victory.
Credit to the journalist for telling us absolutely fuck all. Do they get paid for this?
In fairness he's really telling fans of other clubs what he thinks having watched us more than they have. Also good to have an outsider's perspective on things like our survival chances and the potential of Wesley.
I think you are being kind Monty. Writing "if Wesley started scoring regularly" and "probably need Wesley to be clinical" isn't being particularly perceptive or informative.
Anyway, I've hated this bunch since 1967 so we just need to win, just once please, and no collapse at 87 mins.
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What today’s Guardian says:
Wesley needs to enhance his game with goals
The last time Aston Villa travelled to Old Trafford – in April 2016 – they lost 1-0 and were relegated. Hear this now: Villa are too good to go down this season, especially if Jack Grealish stays fit. Their prospects would be even brighter if Wesley started scoring regularly. The striker does plenty of admirable work but has had opportunities to score much more than four goals in 13 league games. Villa could pose United a lot of trouble in midfield on Sunday, particularly if Scott McTominay is not in top condition, but they will probably need Wesley to be clinical if they are to complete a significant victory.
Credit to the journalist for telling us absolutely fuck all. Do they get paid for this?
"We know what we have to do and now we'll either win or lose".
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It fits a pattern of journos suddenly declaring we’ll be fine this season including, ominously, camp Lawro in his weekend predictions.
It’s interesting when we’re all still pretty split on our prospects.
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If we beat them by five goals we go above them.
If we simply beat them by just one goal and
- Leicester beat Everton at home
- Chelsea beat West Ham at home
- Citeh beat Newcastle away.
- Liverpool beat Brighton at home
- Burnley beat Palace at home
- Tottenham beat Bournemouth
then we are up to eleventh.
FTF!
If we beat them by 3 goals we go above them.
Oh yes. Doh! Facepalm etc. This is why you need a qualified accountant to do your books and, ahem, know how to add and subtract from two small columns.
Even better FTF!
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It fits a pattern of journos suddenly declaring we’ll be fine this season including, ominously, camp Lawro in his weekend predictions.
It’s interesting when we’re all still pretty split on our prospects.
Lawro has been lauding us since the start of the season. We'd be challenging for Europe in his "table".
I miss Mark Fletcher's weekly Lawro Predicts thread where he'd take the piss out of him.
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If we beat them by five goals we go above them.
If we simply beat them by just one goal and
- Leicester beat Everton at home
- Chelsea beat West Ham at home
- Citeh beat Newcastle away.
- Liverpool beat Brighton at home
- Burnley beat Palace at home
- Tottenham beat Bournemouth
then we are up to eleventh.
FTF!
If we beat them by 3 goals we go above them.
Oh yes. Doh! Facepalm etc. This is why you need a qualified accountant to do your books and, ahem, know how to add and subtract from two small columns.
Even better FTF!
However, you weren't wrong in your original assertion!
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This probably the first time since 2009 that it wouldn’t be outside the bounds of possibility that we could get a result here - well at least a draw.
We are up against though. They’ll no doubt get a penalty and we’ll obviously be denied one.
Time also for VAR to reveal itself conclusively as a total pile of sh*t.
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I think we will finally do these on Sunday.
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Well Gabby got the winner last time,we won there, who is gonna get the winner this time. I'm going for SJM, 1-0 to the Villa yet again.
Gabby had such potential then. Great save from Friedel at the end too.
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Gone for a draw in the poll, but I really think we can win this.
Just listened to Deano’s pre-match presser. What a genuine man. Very, very honest. No bullshit with this bloke, says it as it is. Spoke highly of Tuanzebe. He was one of the loan players along with Tammy, who it would have been great to keep.
Come on Villa, FTF!!
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Them 3 Us 1
Just don't seem to have the same belief away from VP at the minute - if it was at our place I'd fancy we'd nail them
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First time at OT since we lost to Liverpool in 1996. Would love to see us getting a win and we are capable of it.
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This isn't on the telly box tomorrow, is it?
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First time at OT since we lost to Liverpool in 1996. Would love to see us getting a win and we are capable of it.
I'm going tomorrow for the first time since a 1-1 draw. Their scorer was Forlan, a player that didn't score very often in the Prem for them.
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There was a stat I saw the other day, couldn't believe it so had to actually go through the seasons and Soccerbase to verify it.
We have only scored more than one goal at Old Trafford v them in one game since 1993, the 3-2 defeat in April 2009.
I think that sums up the on pitch coma we seem to go into up there when off the top of my head I can recall 5-6 times we've gone to Arsenal and Liverpool and scored at least two goals. We also had those 4-4s at Spurs and Chelsea in 07/08.
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Can see us matching them for long periods, having a couple of decent chances then them scoring 2 in 3 minutes half way through the second half to take the points.
Very, very hope that scenario is miles off...
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This isn't on the telly box tomorrow, is it?
Not on TV. Think it is Leicester v Everton, or something like that.
Quite glad it isn't on TV tbh.
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There was a stat I saw the other day, couldn't believe it so had to actually go through the seasons and Soccerbase to verify it.
We have only scored more than one goal at Old Trafford v them in one game since 1993, the 3-2 defeat in April 2009.
I think that sums up the on pitch coma we seem to go into up there when off the top of my head I can recall 5-6 times we've gone to Arsenal and Liverpool and scored at least two goals. We also had those 4-4s at Spurs and Chelsea in 07/08.
I think we've only scored more than 1 up there 4 times since winning 3-4 there in 1930. The 3-2 you mention, the 1-2 win in '83, a 2-2 draw in 1962 and 3-3 in 1980.
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1-1, Sid to get the equalizer in front of the masses.
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Come on Villa boys, let's do these today! Make no mistake this is a big game for them when Aston Villa come to town. Their theatre of silence won't know what's hit them when the Villans from Aston show up. Sing long and proud.
If we can play for the full 90+ minutes, take advantage of our dead ball situations like last Monday and have unbiased officiating (slim chance of that really) we can get something from this game, hopefully 3 points! Come on Dean Smith's claret and blue army! UTV!
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Come on Villa boys, let's do these today! Make no mistake this is a big game for them when Aston Villa come to town. Their theatre of silence won't know what's hit them when the Villans from Aston show up. Sing long and proud.
If we can play for the full 90+ minutes, take advantage of our dead ball situations like last Monday and have unbiased officiating (slim chance of that really) we can get something from this game, hopefully 3 points! Come on Dean Smith's claret and blue army! UTV!
What did you have for breakfast? I want some !
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Gutted this isn't on TV today as I really fancy us to get something up there.
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Start of what looks a tough week of games on paper. Really hope that we go out there and play with ambition and have a real go at them.
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I’d take a point if offered now
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My first trip to OT. Will probably lose my voice on behalf of those not travelling. Wife almost forgiving me, little AV (5months old) seemed to just enjoy 10mins Newcastle highlights and DS presser, gotta be a good omen!
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I think i'd make one change for today, Marvellous for Douglas. I've got a good feeling about it alongside that gut feeling that the jammy bastards will get lucky somehow. Having Kevin Friend overseeing things will hinder us at some point as well no doubt. Anyway, i'll go for 2-2. El Ghazi and McGinn for us.
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3:0
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If United play like they did for the first 70 mins at Brammall Lane, we'll win, but if they play like they did for the last 20 minutes, then it'll probably be the same old story. Here's hoping for the former.
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If United play like they did for the first 70 mins at Brammall Lane, we'll win, but if they play like they did for the last 20 minutes, then it'll probably be the same old story. Here's hoping for the former.
They still conceded a late equaliser in that last 20 mins. This is the worst United side in 30 years, a genuine midtable team. Talented up front but wayward, poor in midfield, average at back.
It's their lack of cover in midfield that McGinn and Grealish particularly will be looking to exploit. The occasion got to our players somewhat at Tottenham and Arsenal earlier in the season when points should have been got, can't afford that today. Grealish penalty, 0-1.
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We have come up short against Arse and Spuds because we played the occasion and reputation, not the team in front of us.
We are good enough to get something against them but I am not sure we have the mentality to do so.
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There was a stat I saw the other day, couldn't believe it so had to actually go through the seasons and Soccerbase to verify it.
We have only scored more than one goal at Old Trafford v them in one game since 1993, the 3-2 defeat in April 2009.
I think that sums up the on pitch coma we seem to go into up there when off the top of my head I can recall 5-6 times we've gone to Arsenal and Liverpool and scored at least two goals. We also had those 4-4s at Spurs and Chelsea in 07/08.
I think we've only scored more than 1 up there 4 times since winning 3-4 there in 1930. The 3-2 you mention, the 1-2 win in '83, a 2-2 draw in 1962 and 3-3 in 1980.
It's really bonkers. Of course they've had some incredible teams in the recent past but more recently plenty of mediocre teams yet season in season out we go there and can hardly string three passes together. Compared to other top away grounds where we at least have a go, I've seen us win three times live at the Emirates in the last decade after all, similar record at Anfield.
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I'm going with the 'take a point comment', a draw would do nicely, a win incredible, so lets go for this, come on you Villa boys.
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Just about to set off, knowing that we have the worst away record in the Prem League at the moment. Need to address that today.
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I’d take a point if offered now
By default, I like to think that if I were 'offered' a point I would say 'fuck off we're Villa and we are going to spank you off the park so hard you'll be begging us to stop and 'offering' six points just to make the pain go away'.
I will take three points and 60,000 exploded blood-vessels on Alex McPurples nose. FTF!
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Don't build your hopes up. Accept that we're going to lose; anything else will be a bonus.
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Probably a fair strategy where that lot are concerned.
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Looking forward to watching this. On TV where I am in Asia. I’ll be using phone to send video highlights back to family in brum who are not at the game. Slightly ironic what with them being so close and me being so far away.
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Don't build your hopes up. Accept that we're going to lose; anything else will be a bonus.
I think I will try that.
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No reason why we cannot pick up 4 points from today and Wednesday. Wet Spam didn’t have too much problem winning yesterday and Manure are not the side they were. You never know, I think it’s very doable.
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In France this is being shown on RMC Sport at 9pm. I'm going to have to switch my phone off for the evening and not participate in the match thread. So come on you Villa boys!
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In France this is being shown on RMC Sport at 9pm. I'm going to have to switch my phone off for the evening and not participate in the match thread. So come on you Villa boys!
I can't wait that late. Too fucking nervous when Villa play.
Come on Villa please do get something.