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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: PeterWithesShin on November 10, 2019, 03:56:24 PM
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Fill ya boots.
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Toothless
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Utter shite, Smith needs to sort this out, and sharpish. So many unacceptable performances all over the pitch.
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Toss. The lack of quality in the final third of the pitch is a worry.
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Utterly shit. We look like a team waiting for things to happen. And in this league that gets you relegated. No fight, not plan, no desire, no goalscoring options. Dean Smith completely outclassed and outcoached
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Piss poor.
A bunch of millionaires under performing
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Our reserves beat their third XI 2-1. Their first team beat our reserves 2-1. Let's see how we do against the jammy twats when our first team plays theirs.
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They couldnt have had better circumstances but fuck me we were shite.
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Shit first half. We concede too many shit goals. A long two weeks ahead.
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Two one flattered us. Terrible. What does Kodjia have to do to feature? Wolves acting like they won the champions League. Another fucking international break now. Great (!)
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Merge with mine Mr Shin. Mine kicks of with more misery than yours
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Nowhere near good enough.
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Not sure where you start with that.
But one thing is for sure if Dean continues to play that formation with Wesley (probably the worst striker I’ve ever since in the shirt) then he won’t be our manager come Christmas.
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Need Kodija and Wesley up front together.
Assuming that we have some injuries sorted out for the next game, we need to change that.
That was dross. Half arsed players at best. Lack of spine, direction, too many bottled challenges.
It was an anus horribilis.
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Shit first half. We concede too many shit goals. A long two weeks ahead.
Give opposition as my possession and chances as we do then we're bound to concede.
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Given the missing players and Wolves at pretty much full strengh that was actually a par result but that first half was shocking and they looked fitter, stronger and hungrier, that is unacceptable and concerning. McGinn way off form, the wingers too inconsistent and we can't wait for Wesley to come good while we sink. A word for Konsa though, I thought he was fine.
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1st half atrocious, 2nd half better, but nowhere good enough.
Passing was terrible throughout.
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Neves a free shot on the edge of the box?? Horrendous.
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Not sure where you start with that.
But one thing is for sure if Dean continues to play that formation with Wesley (probably the worst striker I’ve ever since in the shirt) then he won’t be our manager come Christmas.
Rudy Gestede was our striker last time we were in this league.
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It's time to start holding Dean Smith accountable. I'm not saying sack the man, but for god sakes can we build and progress as a football club?
Today was absolute shit, start to finish. I still don't have a clue how that first half strategy was supposed to generate a result for us. It was truly pitiful.
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that was pretty dreadful wasn’t it
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Reminded me of Palace, piss poor performance and someone from our 2015/16 season running us ragged.
Really poor though. We need to sign some experience in January, they talk about 'game management' but show none of it. Could not stop the wave in the first half and could have bee 3 down at half time.
The front three are an absolute joke. Miles off the pace. Wes and Trez have been absolute flops so far and placing so much faith in players from Belgium and Turkey is costing us points every week.
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Played for nothing and left with nothing which was fully deserved. If I compare Wesley's performance vs Jiménez's performance the difference is monumental. All Wesley does is goal hang, he literally does nothing for entire games.
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Spot on villadelph
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Sounded as bad as the last league meeting there, two years ago. Wolves won 2-0 and were streets ahead of us in terms of movement and quality. Let's hope for a 4-1 smashing of them in the return game at VP.
One consolation is the consolation goal. At least we kept going for the full game. Strangely, if you look at the bare stats on the Beeb, it looks a very even game. 50-50 possession, one more shot on target for them, a few more off-target and three extra corners but they committed more than twice as many fouls.
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Our reserves beat their third XI 2-1. Their first team beat our reserves 2-1. Let's see how we do against the jammy twats when our first team plays theirs.
Hardly our reserves, it was only really Grealish and Engels out.
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Worrying beyond the result, which I’d have bitten your hand off for at half time.
Tactically predictable, overly reliant on a few players, squad thin and unbalanced. Lack of brains on the pitch making games 10 x harder than they should be.
Our summer looks a bit naive at this stage. Spent loads money but left gaping holes which introduced the risk that it was all up the wall.
In summary, we are doing a Fulham.
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Enforced changes aside, shocking today.
Targett was horrendous, but not helped by the absolutely shocking tracking back of Trez and El ghazi.
Midfield abysmal. Another ineffective performance from McGinn (far too many in recent times), Douglas Luiz could have been a ghost today, and an off day from Nakamba (I’ll allow him that).
Wes stranded up front on his own with little support.
Dean really needs to change things up. I’d dispense with wingers and go 442 against the barcodes.
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We’re sliding into trouble. Can’t even hide under the ‘unlucky plucky losers’ epithet.
I feel a new thread coming on.
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Not sure where you start with that.
But one thing is for sure if Dean continues to play that formation with Wesley (probably the worst striker I’ve ever since in the shirt) then he won’t be our manager come Christmas.
Rudy Gestede was our striker last time we were in this league.
Rudy was truly awful. But he edges Wesley.
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Poor performance but not an unexpected result taking into account the injuries. We are in a dodgy position but the last thing we need right now is knee jerk reactions. Let's face it we are lucky to be in the premiership this season and that is down to seasons of chopping and changing and never having a plan. This season will be fuckin hard but we just have to hope we can pick up the points and not panic,abandon our plan and go back to the shit of the last few years.
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We rely too much on Grealish , the difference between us been decent and shite
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Got the potato ambling into Villa Park, next. He'd love to get one over on us. But he won't. Perfect game to kick start the season I reckon.
Crap today. Thought Konsa, Mings and Guilbert did ok, and that's about it. Left back is a big issue. Targett was embarrassing, and seemed to give up, Taylor is a nightmare to watch.
Wesley needs someone up with him. Luiz isn't as good as I thought he'd be away from home. Mcginn needs a rest it seems.
We missed Jack terribly.
Not a happy man tonight.
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The universal opinion will be we were horrific. And yet really Nyland has little to do other than 2/3 standard saves.
It’s very fine lines in this league given Wolves finished 7th last year.
Newcastle at home now is a massive game. Overall I think we will be fine but the mentality of the squad needs to be a bit more positive. When we pushed on lasted 20 Wolves looked more ordinary.
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The front 3 were an embarrassment today. Money needs to be spent in January on a striker and at least one wide player.
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Oh and it would be nice if Smith could be straight with us about the Captain. It happened last year and I'm sure I'm not alone in not taking kindly to all this smoke and mirrors horseshit.
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Really cannot see anything in Wesley that makes him a footballer.... how he made the Brazil squad is beyond words.....
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Played for nothing and left with nothing which was fully deserved. If I compare Wesley's performance vs Jiménez's performance the difference is monumental. All Wesley does is goal hang, he literally does nothing for entire games.
difference easy to see. Jimenez gets service Wesley doesn't
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Our reserves beat their third XI 2-1. Their first team beat our reserves 2-1. Let's see how we do against the jammy twats when our first team plays theirs.
Hardly our reserves, it was only really Grealish and Engels out.
And Heaton
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Oh and it would be nice if Smith could be straight with us about the Captain. It happened last year and I'm sure I'm not alone in not taking kindly to all this smoke and mirrors horseshit.
Agree entirely. Bit of honestly would be appreciated on all that.
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Our next five fixtures...outside of Newcastle who are actually in decent form...fuck me. Sheff Utd at their place will be rock hard. We might only get 4 points from the next 15
NEWCASTLE H
MAN U A
CHELSEA A
LEICESTER H
SHEFF UTD A
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Utter shite, Smith needs to sort this out, and sharpish. So many unacceptable performances all over the pitch.
Agreed but much better in the second half. We just have little consistent quality from the front three. Without Jack we are so poor going forward
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Love Smith but he needed to change it today, Doherty/Traore and Jota/jonny doubled up on us all game, we needed to dominate the middle in those circumstances.
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The only possible good thing that can come out of that performance is if it leads to a complete rethink about personnel and formation.
Hopefully Dean Smith will accept that the current formation isn't working, that Wesley is isolated up front and that the midfield is being overrun by adopting 2 wingers who are in no way doing enough to justify their places in the team.
The selection and formation against Newcastle in 2 weeks time will tell us all we need to know about what Dean has learned from this defeat and our general lack of coherence and cohesion in our play.
All yours Dean....
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Enforced changes aside, shocking today.
Targett was horrendous, but not helped by the absolutely shocking tracking back of Trez and El ghazi.
Midfield abysmal. Another ineffective performance from McGinn (far too many in recent times), Douglas Luiz could have been a ghost today, and an off day from Nakamba (I’ll allow him that).
Wes stranded up front on his own with little support.
Dean really needs to change things up. I’d dispense with wingers and go 442 against the barcodes.
Honestly, call me crazy but I'm sitting Wes out. He is the most un-dynamic Brazilian striker I have ever seen.
I'm starting Kodjia at Newcastle. At least he can play amongst and with the midfielders. He knows how to create a shot for himself. If he's off the mark than get Wesley on with 25 minutes left and let him bully some tired defenders. But on the whole, Wesley is a reactive player. He's stagnant and can't beat his man or contribute to build up play.
McGinn, Luiz and Nakama as a unit were terrible going forward today. TERRIBLE.
Trez and El Ghazi are in deserate need smelling salts or something. You cannot be lazy in this league, there is no excuse for it. It took them 60 minutes to have any sense of urgency today.
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Our reserves beat their third XI 2-1. Their first team beat our reserves 2-1. Let's see how we do against the jammy twats when our first team plays theirs.
Hardly our reserves, it was only really Grealish and Engels out.
Grealish is our most important player by far. And we also had Heaton, Steer, Hause, Jota, Targett and Davis missing or forced to come off. The latter is worse than people not playing from the start as it gives you no chance to change things.
Take out that many first team squad players from any team and they'll struggle. If one of them is by far and away their best player, and probably the best player in the league outside the top seven, even more so.
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Our reserves beat their third XI 2-1. Their first team beat our reserves 2-1. Let's see how we do against the jammy twats when our first team plays theirs.
Wolves were miles better than us today, why is that so difficult for you to admit? If they hadn't had played 90 odd minutes 3 days ago we could have easily got a hiding. 2-1 for all the chances they missed is very flattering to us.
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The one chance Wesley had - it's tough but he needs to be doing better with that rather than just skying it. He was isolated for long spells though. Stick Kodjia up front and drop one of the two wingers. Trezeguet was far too smiley at the final whistle for my liking.
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Got the potato ambling into Villa Park, next. He'd love to get one over on us. But he won't. Perfect game to kick start the season I reckon.
Crap today. Thought Konsa, Mings and Guilbert did ok, and that's about it. Left back is a big issue. Targett was embarrassing, and seemed to give up, Taylor is a nightmare to watch.
Wesley needs someone up with him. Luiz isn't as good as I thought he'd be away from home. Mcginn needs a rest it seems.
We missed Jack terribly.
Not a happy man tonight.
Taylor played well you numpty
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First half was an abortion. Shockingly bad all over the pitch. Second half was much improved but I suspect was partly due to Wolves tiring badly.
We can’t make excuses for the weakened team due to injuries when so many players haven’t turned up...Targett, Trez and El Ghazi all deserve mentions for being piss poor. We can’t carry 5 or 6 players having an off day most weeks let alone when we’re not at full strength.
The criticism of Wes is way off. He had to run the line on his own with no service at all. I’m not sure what anyone expects him to do other than drop off deep and invite more pressure?
Our unexpected consolation goal must be the most uncelebrated goal I’ve ever witnessed, but if it had come 10 minutes earlier then we would have mugged them for a point.
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They have no belief in themselves or each other. That was horrible today, aimless, hit and hope football, quite unacceptable.
Smith needs to sort this out because we’re getting worse not better.
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Wes has 3 chances today and fluffed all of them.
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Not great was it? We need more options up front and one up isn't really working. And more creativity in midfield especially when Jack is out. Gave the ball away too easily and their first goal we should have defended better.
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It's time to start holding Dean Smith accountable. I'm not saying sack the man, but for god sakes can we build and progress as a football club?
I said in the Pre-Match the team selection was wrong, every man and his dog knew Targett would have a horrible time against Traore. Taylor should have started, at least he's not slow and more importantly can defend. And so it proved. Second half the defence looked far more comfortable.
David Luiz. If the first goal had been a Hourihane shot we'd all be complimenting Luiz for getting his head out the way. Cowardly behavior and seems happy just to keep the game ticking over rather than actually using the ball more effectively.
Marvelous had a decent game and I was shocked to see him subbed. Certainly one of the few to walk away with any credit.
As for our front three, all of them, just like us this afternoon - pointless. They'd be lucky to get on the bench at any other PL team. All need replacing in January.
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It's time to start holding Dean Smith accountable. I'm not saying sack the man, but for god sakes can we build and progress as a football club?
You mean like getting promoted, that sort of progress?
We were missing our best player today, who makes us tick. The first half was a poor display, but we haven't thrown many in this season . I can certainly see progress, todays performance aside, we've been v good. Good time for the break, get everyone fit and really go at Newcastle.
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Anyone who thinks taggart is an improvement on Taylor sorry he’s not. Otherwise just one of them days
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Championship level all over the pitch. A big, huge January to sort this shit out.
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The one chance Wesley had - it's tough but he needs to be doing better with that rather than just skying it. He was isolated for long spells though. Stick Kodjia up front and drop one of the two wingers. Trezeguet was far too smiley at the final whistle for my liking.
Because he thinks scoring in the 92nd minute is sufficient despite playing wank for the preceding 91mins
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We can't play with two flaky wingers - we look miles better with Jack in that ACM role so perhaps Lansbury would have been a better choice today.
Need 3 points against Newcastle now, as following that our run of games is very tough until Christmas...
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Our reserves beat their third XI 2-1. Their first team beat our reserves 2-1. Let's see how we do against the jammy twats when our first team plays theirs.
Wolves were miles better than us today, why is that so difficult for you to admit? If they hadn't had played 90 odd minutes 3 days ago we could have easily got a hiding. 2-1 for all the chances they missed is very flattering to us.
I've never said Wolves weren't better than us today. They were only "miles better" in the first half mind, the second half was about even despite your usual hysteria.
And I doubt they would have been better than us if Grealish had been playing. Why are you so determined to insist that everything is shite and why can't you acknowledge that having players, especially your best player, injured is going to have a negative affect?
As for having played three days ago, big deal. That happens all the time. They were at home, too. You're professional athletes, deal with it.
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Agree KRS about Wesley. What I’ve seen so far tells me he is an incredibly, bizarrely limited striker, but can be a handful if you set up to play to his strengths.
He is the wrong player for smith’s tactics and is let down every game by the ineffectiveness of trezeguet and el ghazi. Yet he is our only option so can’t be dropped. It’s the kind of self destructive dumb as shit stuff I thought we’d left behind and it is 100% not Wesley’s fault.
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No excuses after that. Wolves wanted it more and that's unforgivable in a derby.
Easily the worst we've played since Wigan in January. Big two weeks ahead, and let's have some clarity over Jack's injury please - no more of this "will he wont he" crap please Dean.
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Theres going to be some limbless babies born in Wolverhampton in August on the back of this.
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Imagine the shite SB would have got for performances like today, can see him coming and getting a result then we're really in the shit.
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Feel sorry for Wesley.
I think we are missing a genuine striker option to give him a chance to have a rest out - can’t imagine it is easy coming over to a foreign league facing quality defenders week in week out.
. Kodjia is a busted flush and not sure Davies is a decent enough option (if he was fit).
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Abject.
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Wesley's best contribution was beating his man at the near post to get in a position to score an equaliser.
His worst contribution was missing the sodding ball having done so 🙁
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We really look a level or two down and lack creativity every time Jack is out.
First half utter shite but I thought we did ok second half and might have sneaked a point if we hadn't gifted them a second.
We have a powder puff front three who don't work hard enough. Trezeguet might have scored again but for me both him and AEG are a largely waste of space. At least the latter occasionally looks brilliant.
For those slagging Targett, he got no help at all up against one of the fastest and trickiest wingers around - Nuno has made a player of him. Replacement Taylor was his usual utterly useless self going forward as well a giving the ball away cheaply to set up the breakaway for the second goal and again later giving them another chance.
Unlucky with injuries but then it reveals the strength of the squad, which, £130m spent, is not really good enough. Two decent hard-working forwards (Snodgrass, Grabban types) needed in January if we are not to get sucked in to the bottom 3.
Luiz's "challenge" on Traore was a joke.
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I don’t think you can play without a Centre forward.
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It's time to start holding Dean Smith accountable. I'm not saying sack the man, but for god sakes can we build and progress as a football club?
Indeed. Since he became manager it's all turned to shit hasn't it?
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Beat us when we have Grealish and they will have my respect, beat us when we have our reserves out? Ok then 👌👌
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Theres going to be some limbless babies born in Wolverhampton in August on the back of this.
Nice.
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The stupid decision not to get another striker is coming home to roost. But, ffs our players are so injury prone. It'll be a struggle to stay in this League but I think we'll scrape 16th or 17th place, just.
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It's time to start holding Dean Smith accountable. I'm not saying sack the man, but for god sakes can we build and progress as a football club?
So we haven't progressed at all since drawing at home to Preston in front of 27k and one of our own fans throwing something at the manager?
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Our front three are woeful. An embarrassment at this level. They all need replacing wholesale in January.
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The stupid decision not to get another striker is coming home to roost. But, ffs our players are so injury prone. It'll be a struggle to stay in this League but I think we'll scrape 16th or 17th place, just.
As shite as we were today ,we'll stay up easily.
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Wesley's best contribution was beating his man at the near post to get in a position to score an equaliser.
His worst contribution was missing the sodding ball having done so 🙁
His shot that he skied is right up there, god he was useless.
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The stupid decision not to get another striker is coming home to roost. But, ffs our players are so injury prone. It'll be a struggle to stay in this League but I think we'll scrape 16th or 17th place, just.
As shite as we were today ,we'll stay up easily.
I admire your optimism, you do know it's Villa right?
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We’re in the shit now and we need at least two strikers in January.
We don’t have a single premier league quality one at the club. Time to admit that I think.
In any other job our fitness, conditioning etc team , or whatever their name is, would have been binned.
Exactly how many calf, hamstring injuries have happened at Bodymoor and during games? Pretty sure we lead the way in this.
After the Toon fixture our next four look ominous.
Time to prove everyone wrong, yet again, Villa.
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First half we were terrible. The substitutions didnt help and the full backs tucking in was an odd choice.
2nd half it was more competitive and pressure only really began to be exerted as the Wolves got tired and dropped deeper. Their goal against the run of play, but overall we can't complain.
Nkamba was dire today, the amount of possession he recycled was bizarre.
No Grealish makes a difference, massive. McGinn was anonymous without him.
Think Wesley needs somebody up top with him.
Another trip here and another utterly dreadful performance.
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Our front three are woeful. An embarrassment at this level. They all need replacing wholesale in January.
Toothless
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Our front three are woeful. An embarrassment at this level. They all need replacing wholesale in January.
Agreed. Absolutely nothing up front. Decent second half but the damage was done.
A striker and 2 wingers in January please.
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Trezuguet and El Ghazi were better second half.
I'd be considered 352. Konsa is very assured and Freddie works his absolute bollocks off.
Grealish in behind Davis/Kodjia and Wesley gives us that 343 in attack.
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First half we were terrible. The substitutions didnt help and the full backs tucking in was an odd choice.
2nd half it was more competitive and pressure only really began to be exerted as the Wolves got tired and dropped deeper. Their goal against the run of play, but overall we can't complain.
Nkamba was dire today, the amount of possession he recycled was bizarre.
No Grealish makes a difference, massive. McGinn was anonymous without him.
Think Wesley needs somebody up top with him.
Another trip here and another utterly dreadful performance.
Spot on.
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Quite a bit of aggro after the game. The Police here haven't got it nailed down like they have at the Sty and the Tesco Dome.
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First half we were terrible. The substitutions didnt help and the full backs tucking in was an odd choice.
2nd half it was more competitive and pressure only really began to be exerted as the Wolves got tired and dropped deeper. Their goal against the run of play, but overall we can't complain.
Nkamba was dire today, the amount of possession he recycled was bizarre.
No Grealish makes a difference, massive. McGinn was anonymous without him.
Think Wesley needs somebody up top with him.
Another trip here and another utterly dreadful performance.
Said it in the match thread but our recent records at Molinuex and Hawthorns are terrible.
Go back a decade and those games were always comfortable 3 points or at worst a point.
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Really really poor today. Local derby looked like a practice match at times with some of our players. We lacked passion and desire. First half we were lucky to get in only one nil but the goal was so so avoidable.
Second half was very telling for me wolves visibly tired and we had a chance to go for the point even if we didn’t deserve it but we didn’t have enough quality. Awful challenge from Luiz to not take out traore for their second.
We need reinforcements in January big time upfront. If we struggle next few games will smith make it to January as these owners won’t accept it
Nyland -6 - did nothing wrong
Guilbert -6- made mistakes but is a fighter
Targett -4- woeful distribution looked like he gave up
Taylor -5- battled but he simply isn’t good enough
Mings -7- did everything he could
Konza- 6 - did ok nothing more
McGinn-6 - not a great game but tried his best
Luiz-4- becoming a luxury player for me don’t see how he keeps his place
Marvellous-6- can see why he was taken off to stop him getting sent off
Wesley- 2- woeful gutless absolute sham of a player. Has he won an attacking header at any point this season? Pathetic
Trez-4- mistakes poor decision making
El ghazi- 4 awful first half better second half but not much better
Smith has got to change adapt and learn fast the best managers do that and I’m afraid his naivety is showing
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Highlights (https://www.skysports.com/football/wolves-vs-a-villa/408100)
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Jesus, some of these comments. Wolves are a much better team than us, they'll probably be pushing for the Euro places again this season and I wouldn't be surprised if they get into the later stages of the Europa.
Remember where we were this time last year? We're making progress but most of our players have little to no top level experience, Wolves have genuine top quality like Moutinho, Neves, Jiminez, Patricio players who would walk into most teams in the league. Playing them at their place when they're in good form and without so many of our first choice players was always going to be tough. Rotten luck with the injuries made things worse.
Newcastle at home after the international break is the real test of where we're at currently.
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The confidence going forward by Wolves was amazing. They never seem intimidated.
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First half rubbish 2nd half much better although we lacked creativity. People giving our forwards stick. All of them poor first half 2nd both ElGahzi and Trez put a shift in the 2nd. I was disappointed in Lewis, some poor passing and loss of possession. It’s also the worst I’ve seen SJM play. If he doesn’t perform any there’s no Grealish then you’re up against it.
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Engel man of the match for me today.
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Jesus, some of these comments. Wolves are a much better team than us, they'll probably be pushing for the Euro places again this season and I wouldn't be surprised if they get into the later stages of the Europa.
Remember where we were this time last year? We're making progress but most of our players have little to no top level experience, Wolves have genuine top quality like Moutinho, Neves, Jiminez, Patricio players who would walk into most teams in the league. Playing them at their place when they're in good form and without so many of our first choice players was always going to be tough. Rotten luck with the injuries made things worse.
Newcastle at home after the international break is the real test of where we're at currently.
This
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We're making progress but most of our players have little to no top level experience,
That's because we didn't buy any. We chose to go the other way. I thought it was a mistake st the time - at least not to mix it up a little - and I still think so now.
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Got the potato ambling into Villa Park, next. He'd love to get one over on us. But he won't. Perfect game to kick start the season I reckon.
Crap today. Thought Konsa, Mings and Guilbert did ok, and that's about it. Left back is a big issue. Targett was embarrassing, and seemed to give up, Taylor is a nightmare to watch.
Wesley needs someone up with him. Luiz isn't as good as I thought he'd be away from home. Mcginn needs a rest it seems.
We missed Jack terribly.
Not a happy man tonight.
Taylor played well you numpty
Did he really, though? Not in the match I was watching. Looked uncomfortable in possession, not good going forward, can't really pass a football. A poor player.
But if that's what equates to playing well in your eyes, the best of luck to you.
Numpty. Oh dear.
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Awful first half, but when we actually played some football in the second half we looked better. Desperately lacking real quality in the final third though and we really need to invest in those areas in January.
Too many poor performances on the day and too many players constantly giving the ball away. The front three were especially guilty as were Guilbert, Targett, Taylor and even McGinn and Nakamba were guilty of it too often. Douglas Luiz looks lik3 a passenger at times and his effort to stop Traore was half-hearted.
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I get the point about the players having little top flight experience, but they why didn’t we buy some that had dot experience, not a good enough excuse.
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Disappointed with performance today. Individuals... Konsa, Trez and AEG were ok, Konsa best of three.
I think today’s game had the most handballs in one game I’ve ever seen.
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Disappointed with performance today. Individuals... Konsa, Trez and AEG were ok, Konsa best of three.
I think today’s game had the most handballs in one game I’ve ever seen.
I thought that Trezeguet and El Ghazi's lack of defensive effort was pathetic for a large part of the game, and they were toothless going forward.
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One of those days. Found it annoying Wolves won every single header we put in their box, yet we continued with that tactic. They did a job on us. We’ll bounce back against Newcastle.
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Got exactly what we deserved today.
Must learn to look after the ball better, we repeatedly give it away cheaply and put pressure on ourselves.
Konsa was the only plus for me today.
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Today wasn’t great, but there are some overreactions here and elsewhere. We were missing a large part of the spine of our side, and by half time were down to our 3rd choice keeper and Neil Taylor at left back.
Put it this way - what do you think the result would be if the roles were reversed and we were full strength with Wolves been missing Patricio, Dendoncker and Neves, then lost Ruddy and whoever their left back is by half time? I would expect a lot more than they showed against us. If they are the 7th best team in the league then we have not got a lot to worry about.
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Piss poor. The first half was an utter embarrassment and that level of performance is wholly unacceptable. I appreciate injuries don’t help, but fucking hell it was bad.
Must be much much better.
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When you've got players out its up to the rest to step up. Basically a lot of our squad players aren't good enough to do that. Mind you, some the first teamers aren't either.
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Interestingly varied points being made about individual players. Amazed anyone could think AEG had an ok game.
But then I guess in a performance like that it’s a bit like arguing about whether Charles Manson or Fred west is friendlier.
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Jesus, some of these comments. Wolves are a much better team than us, they'll probably be pushing for the Euro places again this season and I wouldn't be surprised if they get into the later stages of the Europa.
Remember where we were this time last year? We're making progress but most of our players have little to no top level experience, Wolves have genuine top quality like Moutinho, Neves, Jiminez, Patricio players who would walk into most teams in the league. Playing them at their place when they're in good form and without so many of our first choice players was always going to be tough. Rotten luck with the injuries made things worse.
Newcastle at home after the international break is the real test of where we're at currently.
This
Absolutely. In the second half we matched them, second goal was a killer when we were pushing for an equaliser.
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Disappointed with performance today. Individuals... Konsa, Trez and AEG were ok, Konsa best of three.
I think today’s game had the most handballs in one game I’ve ever seen.
I thought that Trezeguet and El Ghazi's lack of defensive effort was pathetic for a large part of the game, and they were toothless going forward.
Last season I thought AEG repeatedly looked lazy, never really tracked back to help the full back. Then Smith clearly got through to him and he started working much harder and looking the part in that amazing run.
On and off this season though, that half arsed attitude has resurfaced. Today was a good example of that.
Have to agree though, that front three today looked awful. I am not writing Trezeguet off yet in terms of this talent, but when he and AEG both fail to put in a shift the result is pretty horrible.
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Did he really, though? Not in the match I was watching. Looked uncomfortable in possession, not good going forward, can't really pass a football. A poor player.
But if that's what equates to playing well in your eyes, the best of luck to you.
Defensively, I thought he helped us contain them 2nd half and pretty much had Traore in his pocket. There was one occasion where he was left 2 against 1 and still managed to keep them out. I'd prefer to see him play in our away games where the defence are under more pressure and play Targett at home where his attacking intent is more important to us.
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Jesus, some of these comments. Wolves are a much better team than us, they'll probably be pushing for the Euro places again this season and I wouldn't be surprised if they get into the later stages of the Europa.
Remember where we were this time last year? We're making progress but most of our players have little to no top level experience, Wolves have genuine top quality like Moutinho, Neves, Jiminez, Patricio players who would walk into most teams in the league. Playing them at their place when they're in good form and without so many of our first choice players was always going to be tough. Rotten luck with the injuries made things worse.
Newcastle at home after the international break is the real test of where we're at currently.
Hmmmm, I smell dog shit
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The front 3 were an embarrassment today. Money needs to be spent in January on a striker and at least one wide player.
thought our widemen were ok in the second half to be honest. AEG made at least three decent chances by good running with the ball, Trez scored one and with a bit more composure should have got a second after AEGs run. Wolves were tiring granted but they offered some bit of a threat at least. Wesley was diabolical and it was far from the worst performance Ive seen from him this season.
The real sickener was the failure of the team to front up in the first half. A derby game away from home but too many of our players looked like they didnt fancy the battle. Wolves annihilated us first half, lets not try and hide away from that. So much wrong tactically but workrate was abysmal throughout the pitch. Second half was much improved but Wolves always seemed to have more quality with the likes of Traore and Jimenez. Konsa, last five mins aside, was very good I thought. The much maligned Taylor showed a good bit more resistance on the left.
Steer/Nyland 6 - tough on Steer, Nyland didnt make any serious ricks
Guilbert 6 - struggled early on against Joto but with no support, thought he battled well throughout though
Konsa 7 - sharp on the ball, good strength and quick, possibly could/should have blocked second
Mings 6 - struggled with Jimenez for much of the game, battled on despite injury at end which a few could learn from
Targett 3 - hopeless, scared stiff of Traore and Doherty, horror show of a performance
Luiz 4 - likes an armchair role in midfield where he can spray passes but not have to run or tackle, exposed badly, weak as piss for their second. Flattering to deceive
Nakamba 6 - poor first half but thought he was doing well in second until surprisingly replaced
McGinn 5 - utterly anonymous in first half, dropped deeper in second but again impact was limited enough. fitness needs improving, watch him for their second
Trez - 5 - 3 for his first half, 7 for the second
AEG - see Trez
Wes 4 - ambled around a bit, gave out to ref, poor technique for great chance
Taylor 6 - solid enough and I dont rate him at all. Lansbury 6 - sharp enough at times, unusual to see him come in ahead of Hourihane or Kodjia.
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Jesus, some of these comments. Wolves are a much better team than us, they'll probably be pushing for the Euro places again this season and I wouldn't be surprised if they get into the later stages of the Europa.
Remember where we were this time last year? We're making progress but most of our players have little to no top level experience, Wolves have genuine top quality like Moutinho, Neves, Jiminez, Patricio players who would walk into most teams in the league. Playing them at their place when they're in good form and without so many of our first choice players was always going to be tough. Rotten luck with the injuries made things worse.
Newcastle at home after the international break is the real test of where we're at currently.
Hmmmm, I smell dog shit
Wolves fans are weird as fuck but my one compliment of them was atleast they hadnt come on here like Blues and Albion fans did and masqueraded as Villa fans. Seems the divs couldn't even manage that.
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When you've got players out its up to the rest to step up. Basically a lot of our squad players aren't good enough to do that. Mind you, some the first teamers aren't either.
Wolves have got a lot of quality and can afford to have big hitters out of their side. We simply don't have that luxury. However, there are no excuses for that first half display
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Trezaguet looks and plays like a bit of a duffus sometimes (especially after he scored our goal) but I don’t think you can knock his effort.
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The front 3 were an embarrassment today. Money needs to be spent in January on a striker and at least one wide player.
thought our widemen were ok in the second half to be honest. AEG made at least three decent chances by good running with the ball, Trez scored one and with a bit more composure should have got a second after AEGs run. Wolves were tiring granted but they offered some bit of a threat at least. Wesley was diabolical and it was far from the worst performance Ive seen from him this season.
The real sickener was the failure of the team to front up in the first half. A derby game away from home but too many of our players looked like they didnt fancy the battle. Wolves annihilated us first half, lets not try and hide away from that. So much wrong tactically but workrate was abysmal throughout the pitch. Second half was much improved but Wolves always seemed to have more quality with the likes of Traore and Jimenez. Konsa, last five mins aside, was very good I thought. The much maligned Taylor showed a good bit more resistance on the left.
Steer/Nyland 6 - tough on Steer, Nyland didnt make any serious ricks
Guilbert 6 - struggled early on against Joto but with no support, thought he battled well throughout though
Konsa 7 - sharp on the ball, good strength and quick, possibly could/should have blocked second
Mings 6 - struggled with Jimenez for much of the game, battled on despite injury at end which a few could learn from
Targett 3 - hopeless, scared stiff of Traore and Doherty, horror show of a performance
Luiz 4 - likes an armchair role in midfield where he can spray passes but not have to run or tackle, exposed badly, weak as piss for their second. Flattering to deceive
Nakamba 6 - poor first half but thought he was doing well in second until surprisingly replaced
McGinn 5 - utterly anonymous in first half, dropped deeper in second but again impact was limited enough. fitness needs improving, watch him for their second
Trez - 5 - 3 for his first half, 7 for the second
AEG - see Trez
Wes 4 - ambled around a bit, gave out to ref, poor technique for great chance
Taylor 6 - solid enough and I dont rate him at all. Lansbury 6 - sharp enough at times, unusual to see him come in ahead of Hourihane or Kodjia.
I think this is a good summary and I agree with all of it except you generously gave Wesley 4. I'm not sure how he's scored this season let alone to have 4 and what are Brazil thinking? I remember at Arsenal he was really poor and then got a reprieve by scoring.
AEG was much better in the second half but the first half was inexcusable from everyone. They allowed Doherty to camp in our half and similarly offered little protection on our right flank.
For their second Luiz was really poor and should at least have tactically fouled like their players did a few times in the second half.
The disability match at half time was more entertaining than the first half, but then even that was spoiled by a couple of fans round us loudly urging the Villa youth players to break the legs of their Wolves counterparts.
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Terrible first half, they were so much better than us it was embarrassing. Improved second half but didn't deserve anything from the match.
What I would say is that surely we should have had a penalty when Trez went down in second half? Ref said their defender touched it but from what I could see Trez did and their defender took him out.
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Got the potato ambling into Villa Park, next. He'd love to get one over on us. But he won't. Perfect game to kick start the season I reckon.
Crap today. Thought Konsa, Mings and Guilbert did ok, and that's about it. Left back is a big issue. Targett was embarrassing, and seemed to give up, Taylor is a nightmare to watch.
Wesley needs someone up with him. Luiz isn't as good as I thought he'd be away from home. Mcginn needs a rest it seems.
We missed Jack terribly.
Not a happy man tonight.
Taylor played well you numpty
Did he really, though? Not in the match I was watching. Looked uncomfortable in possession, not good going forward, can't really pass a football. A poor player.
But if that's what equates to playing well in your eyes, the best of luck to you.
Numpty. Oh dear.
Taylor was awful, they walked through him for the second goal, as usual.
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Trezaguet look and plays like a bit of a duffus sometimes (especially after he scored our goal) but I don’t think you can knock his effort.
I think he has more about him than AEG or Wesley, you can get away with playing one of them but all 3 is asking for trouble.
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Got the potato ambling into Villa Park, next. He'd love to get one over on us. But he won't. Perfect game to kick start the season I reckon.
Crap today. Thought Konsa, Mings and Guilbert did ok, and that's about it. Left back is a big issue. Targett was embarrassing, and seemed to give up, Taylor is a nightmare to watch.
Wesley needs someone up with him. Luiz isn't as good as I thought he'd be away from home. Mcginn needs a rest it seems.
We missed Jack terribly.
Not a happy man tonight.
Taylor played well you numpty
Did he really, though? Not in the match I was watching. Looked uncomfortable in possession, not good going forward, can't really pass a football. A poor player.
But if that's what equates to playing well in your eyes, the best of luck to you.
Numpty. Oh dear.
Taylor was awful, they walked through him for the second goal, as usual.
Taylor would be a long way down the blame list for the second goal for me, went into a tackle 30 yards outside their goal after a poor McGinn pass. Luiz and McGinn were at fault.
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When you've got players out its up to the rest to step up. Basically a lot of our squad players aren't good enough to do that. Mind you, some the first teamers aren't either.
Wolves have got a lot of quality and can afford to have big hitters out of their side. We simply don't have that luxury. However, there are no excuses for that first half display
What big hitters are out the Wolves side, Boly is about it. Since promotion one of the reasons they've done so well is how few injuries they've had as their squad depth is worse than ours. Even today they had a few inexperienced players on the bench.
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Terrible marking on Jimenez for the second goal. Who was picking him up??
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Their second was down to an awful pass from McGinn and a woeful challenge from Luiz. Blaming Taylor for it is pretty bizarre. He's got a lot of faults to moan about, but that goal ain't one of them.
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Just saw brief highlights and it looked like Nyland nearly got to their 2nd goal. Got to give him credit for coming on so soon, and who knows if he will be starting next game.
These games do show that we do need a plan when an influential player is missing. And as someone else said that another tactic / layout is needed and maybe start with Kodjia & Wesley. It might remove a midfielder/ winger, but if the 2 forwarders can help each other, it will free up the midfield to having to actively support a single forward.
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Have we ever had a more frail and insipid front three? They struggle physically when we have the ball and fail to put the effort in for the team when we don’t. I think we are ok in terms of options at the back and midfield but until he addresses our approach and personnel going forward, it’s going to be touch and go this season.
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Just watched the post match with the manager and he was brutally honest about the first half display which is heartening in a sport where so many would retreat into denial and bullshit.
This season was always going to be tough, none of this is a surprise, but he can't let the team throw in too many more performances like that.
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DS post match https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1193576264331878400
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Got the potato ambling into Villa Park, next. He'd love to get one over on us. But he won't. Perfect game to kick start the season I reckon.
Crap today. Thought Konsa, Mings and Guilbert did ok, and that's about it. Left back is a big issue. Targett was embarrassing, and seemed to give up, Taylor is a nightmare to watch.
Wesley needs someone up with him. Luiz isn't as good as I thought he'd be away from home. Mcginn needs a rest it seems.
We missed Jack terribly.
Not a happy man tonight.
Taylor played well you numpty
Did he really, though? Not in the match I was watching. Looked uncomfortable in possession, not good going forward, can't really pass a football. A poor player.
But if that's what equates to playing well in your eyes, the best of luck to you.
Numpty. Oh dear.
Taylor was awful, they walked through him for the second goal, as usual.
2nd goal was Mcginn's fault not your resident scapegoat get real you scapegoat merchants
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Their second was down to an awful pass from McGinn and a woeful challenge from Luiz. Blaming Taylor for it is pretty bizarre. He's got a lot of faults to moan about, but that goal ain't one of them.
Yes actually, my mistake, for some reason I saw the challenge as being Taylor and not Luiz. I therefore upgrade Taylor to 'mediocre'. 😉 And to be fair, he was a huge improvement on Targett, who really was terrible.
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Interestingly varied points being made about individual players. Amazed anyone could think AEG had an ok game.
But then I guess in a performance like that it’s a bit like arguing about whether Charles Manson or Fred west is friendlier.
I thought he was better 2nd half but very poor in the first.
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Overall, the team just doesn't look right at the moment. It's no surprise that confidence is low, but there doesn't seem to be much in the way of cohesion or team spirit. Mings looks eternally pissed off with everybody, and SJM just hasn't been at the races for a few games now.
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Just watched the post match with the manager and he was brutally honest about the first half display which is heartening in a sport where so many would retreat into denial and bullshit.
This season was always going to be tough, none of this is a surprise, but he can't let the team throw in too many more performances like that.
Dean Smith tends to say what is true about a match. What can be a little troubling is the lack of tactical change as a result. Let's see how he sets up against Newcastle. If Trezeguet and El Ghazi both start then you've got to question why he's got angry.
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Just poor, our first 11 just may be good enough to stay up, but when injuries & suspensions take affect, like today, we will struggle, it’s mainly due to our front three & especially the wingers, not prem quality, so why is Smith persisting with this formation & can people stop going on about ‘this time last year’ it’s irrelevant! We’re a big club in the premier league now, We need to start learning fast, Dean Smith needs to stop talking a good game & show it on the pitch, he needs to stop being stubborn & start being flexible with his formation, drop the wingers & we need need jack to stay fit & to be lucky in the January transfer window if we’re to stay up.
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Don’t want to repeat too much of what’s been said, but as much as wolves were very good 1st half, we were poor. Complete opposite to Liverpool last week in terms of tracking back and effort. 2nd half was bit better and last 10 mins were probably on top but too little too late. A few luxury players out there for me, Luiz in particular shirks a few challenges.
A couple of other points.
1. Taylor’s not a great player but did little wrong, it’s very dull having such a regular scapegoat;
2. Wesley not showing a great deal but is isolated and judging him after 12 games as villas worst ever striker is a bit laughable. Maybe I’ve been going down too long but Simon Stainrod, Malcolm Allen and obviously big Rudy (who is probs the worst player I’ve ever seen at VP) spring to mind.
3. As bad as we were today I had the que of ‘smiths’ in trouble merchants who seem to be queuing up every time we get a few poor results/performances. That attitude really is a load of old shite. Smiths done a remarkable job in 12 months. Did anyone really think there were times this season when we wouldn’t lose 3 in a row??
4. Do we think smith couldn’t be arsed to but a 2nd striker? I doubt any manager would make that decision, that decision was made for him.
5. Newcastle is massive and we need VP rocking!!
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One of the toughest things to stomach relative to Wolves is just how fast it all happened to them and just how fast they became this strong. Yes we pulled off an absolute miracle to go up and that in part is why it's been so challenging getting all the pieces right and to work together. But the core of this Wolves team destroyed the Championship, they added great pieces last summer and got into Europe and now are continuing to develop. Truth is today proved that there is quite a gap that will take us a year or two and countless millions to close. We averaged 10m a player this summer to essentially replace players who were barely Championship level anymore. In the PL, it's not 30-40m for anything of the required quality and when our record buy is a 20m pretty unknown and untested Brazilian kid from Belgium we're all probably asking a lot. It's hugely frustrating to, but the posts reminding us just where we were 12 months ago adds required perspective.
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One of the toughest things to stomach relative to Wolves is just how fast it all happened to them and just how fast they became this strong. Yes we pulled off an absolute miracle to go up and that in part is why it's been so challenging getting all the pieces right and to work together. But the core of this Wolves team destroyed the Championship, they added great pieces last summer and got into Europe and now are continuing to develop. Truth is today proved that there is quite a gap that will take us a year or two and countless millions to close. We averaged 10m a player this summer to essentially replace players who were barely Championship level anymore. In the PL, it's not 30-40m for anything of the required quality and when our record buy is a 20m pretty unknown and untested Brazilian kid from Belgium we're all probably asking a lot. It's hugely frustrating to, but the posts reminding us just where we were 12 months ago adds required perspective.
This.
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Their second was down to an awful pass from McGinn and a woeful challenge from Luiz. Blaming Taylor for it is pretty bizarre. He's got a lot of faults to moan about, but that goal ain't one of them.
Yes actually, my mistake, for some reason I saw the challenge as being Taylor and not Luiz. I therefore upgrade Taylor to 'mediocre'. 😉 And to be fair, he was a huge improvement on Targett, who really was terrible.
It was down to the pass but it does make you wonder if that challenge by Taylor when playing for Wales is still playing on his mind.
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The only possible good thing that can come out of that performance is if it leads to a complete rethink about personnel and formation.
Hopefully Dean Smith will accept that the current formation isn't working, that Wesley is isolated up front and that the midfield is being overrun by adopting 2 wingers who are in no way doing enough to justify their places in the team.
The selection and formation against Newcastle in 2 weeks time will tell us all we need to know about what Dean has learned from this defeat and our general lack of coherence and cohesion in our play.
All yours Dean....
The formation was changed a few weeks back and we looked much better for it.
I wonder if Jota was deemed match fit whether he'd have started in that inside forward role. Didn't even make the bench so clearly not up to speed yet.
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I think we’re seeing the results of having such a disparity in quality within the team. McGinn looks shagged, Mings looks like he’s given up on bollocking players for not tracking back. We need to take the pressure off our better players or they’ll all be knackered, fed up or injured.
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We were poor first half but certainly acceptable second half. The attacking players aren't going to set the world alight admittedly but they just seem too spread apart. The midfield looked pretty powderpuff and our passing was a big problem today, it was no where near accurate enough and we just kept giving them the ball back. We defended fairly well, and Konsa was a big plus today.
I accept that we're going to struggle at this point, so many new players and so little experience but i see a lot of potential in most of them individually. Moaning about Smith is barmy, i do agree with comments suggesting looking at different formations though. As i say, we're too spread apart when we attack. Grealish helps with that as he links the midfield and attack when he's playing well and no one else in the squad does that.
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One of the toughest things to stomach relative to Wolves is just how fast it all happened to them and just how fast they became this strong. Yes we pulled off an absolute miracle to go up and that in part is why it's been so challenging getting all the pieces right and to work together. But the core of this Wolves team destroyed the Championship, they added great pieces last summer and got into Europe and now are continuing to develop. Truth is today proved that there is quite a gap that will take us a year or two and countless millions to close. We averaged 10m a player this summer to essentially replace players who were barely Championship level anymore. In the PL, it's not 30-40m for anything of the required quality and when our record buy is a 20m pretty unknown and untested Brazilian kid from Belgium we're all probably asking a lot. It's hugely frustrating to, but the posts reminding us just where we were 12 months ago adds required perspective.
Mendes link helps but they've simply brought well. Weren't just content with their options when they came up which were excellent but added Moutinho (just checked and he actually has 119 caps for Portugal), Raul Jimenez (one of best all round central strikers in premier league imo) and other guys like Johnny who was regular in La Liga.
It's what we need to do in next two windows. Sign proven international players from la Liga and Italy.
That will keep us up and hopefully in a years time we can start competiting with them in the top half of the league.
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I view it as we ended up a year ahead of how it went for Wolves, with how things were last summer and for most of the season, this season should really have been the season we were smashing division 2 having spent the summer buying players that were too good for it. Which in turn would have meant less surgery needed when promoted.
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thought El Ghazi was best player and only threat. Wesley doesn't create any problems, half the time he's in midfield. Luiz was shite and let Traore have a free run for second goal (marking non-existent for it as well).
admittedly we were weakened through injuries but with them playing on a Thursday night that was a good opportunity for at least a point.
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One of the toughest things to stomach relative to Wolves is just how fast it all happened to them and just how fast they became this strong. Yes we pulled off an absolute miracle to go up and that in part is why it's been so challenging getting all the pieces right and to work together. But the core of this Wolves team destroyed the Championship, they added great pieces last summer and got into Europe and now are continuing to develop. Truth is today proved that there is quite a gap that will take us a year or two and countless millions to close. We averaged 10m a player this summer to essentially replace players who were barely Championship level anymore. In the PL, it's not 30-40m for anything of the required quality and when our record buy is a 20m pretty unknown and untested Brazilian kid from Belgium we're all probably asking a lot. It's hugely frustrating to, but the posts reminding us just where we were 12 months ago adds required perspective.
They're a couple of years and a hundred odd million spent ahead of us. I'm sure Mendes will be waiting for the right time to cash out on all his players (pretty sure some of their players like Jota, Adama, Jonny have buy back clauses too) , I doubt he moved them all to Wolves because of a deep passion for the club. I wouldn't be surprised if that team is ripped up and sold off this summer if they do well in the Europa.
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Unless Boro put one in then Adama doesn't. Any clause we had with Barca ended as soon as we sold him.
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Sorry not Adama, the other Portuguese kid they got in the summer. Neto?
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Their second was down to an awful pass from McGinn and a woeful challenge from Luiz. Blaming Taylor for it is pretty bizarre. He's got a lot of faults to moan about, but that goal ain't one of them.
Yes actually, my mistake, for some reason I saw the challenge as being Taylor and not Luiz. I therefore upgrade Taylor to 'mediocre'. 😉 And to be fair, he was a huge improvement on Targett, who really was terrible.
Taylor lost the ball which led to the breakaway. I don't think Targett was particularly bad especially as he had fuck all help from Trezeguet, certainly no worse than Taylor who did bugger all except give the ball away. He's usually just about ok defending but shits himself when the ball is passed to him. You need way more than that at this level.
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Wolves are sadly in better shape than we are. Injuries are a worry but squad looks like it’s given up even compared to last week. Let’s hope we come back off the break and show some fight
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Taylor didn't lose the ball at all as he never had it as it was a hospital pass from McGinn. I want us to have better than Taylor but I don't see how he get blamed for that goal.
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Their second was down to an awful pass from McGinn and a woeful challenge from Luiz. Blaming Taylor for it is pretty bizarre. He's got a lot of faults to moan about, but that goal ain't one of them.
Yes actually, my mistake, for some reason I saw the challenge as being Taylor and not Luiz. I therefore upgrade Taylor to 'mediocre'. 😉 And to be fair, he was a huge improvement on Targett, who really was terrible.
Taylor lost the ball which led to the breakaway. I don't think Targett was particularly bad especially as he had fuck all help from Trezeguet, certainly no worse than Taylor who did bugger all except give the ball away. He's usually just about ok defending but shits himself when the ball is passed to him. You need way more than that at this level.
Don't rate Taylor in the slightest but at least he made it a contest on our left flank in the second half. Targett was utterly useless and frankly gutless. Scared stiff of getting tight to an opponent from their first attack, was it Doherty who checked inside him like he wasn't there and shot with his left? 15m for Targett, we were sold a pup there it seems. The second coming of Nicky Shorey.
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Taylor worried me when we were in the Championship, he’s not the worst player I’ve ever seen but he’s been at fault many times this season, is very weak and offers absolutely nothing going forward. It’s indicative of the lack of squad depth that we’ve had to rely on on him so much so far. I can’t understand why we didn’t bring in another left back in the summer as Targett was injured for about six games or so, and has only lasted 90 minutes a couple of times.
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The game is all about attitude and ours was very poor in the first half. It seems that AEG only plays well after a bollocking or being dropped. Key moments today, Luiz ducked under the Neves shot but why the fuck did no-one stand on the edge of the box? Terrible pass from McGinn and crap, weak tackle from Luiz for the second goal. Some poor decision making, poor passing and crap attitudes cost us the first half. A half-time rollocking and we couldn't possibly be any worse second half, we played a lot better but still didn't look like scoring. Wesley should have done a lot better with the side foot. Wolves wanted it more than us and that is unforgivable. I think Dean will be in trouble if there are too many more of these types of performances, regardless of injuries.
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Taylor didn't lose the ball at all as he never had it as it was a hospital pass from McGinn. I want us to have better than Taylor but I don't see how he get blamed for that goal.
Not what I remember. Might not have been a great pass but it reached Taylor and he lost it.
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Wesley has ability there were a couple of flashes of it. I’m fairness he got absolutely zero support until AEG started to do something in the second half. We badly need the midfield to produce much more, if you have 3 in the centre one should be getting closer to Wes.
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Taylor didn't lose the ball at all as he never had it as it was a hospital pass from McGinn. I want us to have better than Taylor but I don't see how he get blamed for that goal.
Not what I remember. Might not have been a great pass but it reached Taylor and he lost it.
Just watched it again and you're right Taylor didn't actually have the ball, although he was very weak in the ensuing challenge. The real culprit for that one is Luiz who let the winger walk past him..
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There's only one ground in the country that guarantees some grizzled old boys will be trying to trade punches with anything that moves. And so it was again today.
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Wesley has ability there were a couple of flashes of it. I’m fairness he got absolutely zero support until AEG started to do something in the second half. We badly need the midfield to produce much more, if you have 3 in the centre one should be getting closer to Wes.
Yes both AEG and Trezeguet have some ability but are at least semi-passengers in most games. We can't really afford one player like that in our situation and certainly not two.
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Thats the thing everyone has a go at El Ghazi and Trez for not covering in defence, but then complain they aint a threat going forward. They cant do everything surely.
Salah and Mane don't track back every opposition attack they trust the rest of the team to take care of it, if we want to be a real threat going forward its gotta be a top 3 and the rest of the team needs to carry the load, you cant have it all.
Wesley is on a hiding to nothing virtually every game, its him on a lone burrow against 3 or 4 opposition defenders/midfielders every time the ball comes near him whats he meant to do with those odds?
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With Jack we draw / win this game. He is utterly essential to this team.
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That first goal was poor set-up by our defence. Souness said at least one player should've covered the cut-back on the free kick. All our players were in the box? A good shot but Neves had plenty of time to pick his spot.
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Just putting this out there..... Based on what you’ve seen so far this season, are Dean Smith and his management team good enough (or showing enough promise) that they can cut it at this level?
He’s spent a shit tonne of cash, yet we have seen far too many abject performances and tactically naive setups/substitutions imo.
People will argue that we’ve just come up from the Championship and should give him the benefit of the doubt, but that hasn’t stopped Chris Wilder (on way less resources than us) taking the Premier League by storm, currently sitting in 5th place.
Are we all being too soft on him just because he’s ‘one of us’?
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Salah and Mane don't track back every opposition attack they trust the rest of the team to take care of it
But they do. They defend from the front as they did today. Our front 3 don’t do nearly enough, with and without the ball.
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They're showing enough for me, that said there's things that definitely need working on. If they don't fix those then the answer will probably end up being they aren't good enough.
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That first goal was poor set-up by our defence. Souness said at least one player should've covered the cut-back on the free kick. All our players were in the box? A good shot but Neves had plenty of time to pick his spot.
We just got sucked in, only a few minutes to go to half time and guess we just assumed it would be flung into the box. I doubt it was a tactic just to ignore Neves on the edge of the box.
It happens. Believe it or not many other teams over a season concede similar goals.
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Just putting this out there..... Based on what you’ve seen so far this season, are Dean Smith and his management team good enough (or showing enough promise) that they can cut it at this level?
He’s spent a shit tonne of cash, yet we have seen far too many abject performances and tactically naive setups/substitutions imo.
People will argue that we’ve just come up from the Championship and should give him the benefit of the doubt, but that hasn’t stopped Chris Wilder (on way less resources than us) taking the Premier League by storm, currently sitting in 5th place.
Are we all being too soft on him just because he’s ‘one of us’?
Im happy with Smith, Not sure how others feel but he gets the whole of this season for me no matter what happens. He has shown some niavity without a doubt and he needs to adapt to other formations other than 4-3-3, but he got us here at least a year quicker than any of us could if imagined when he took over.
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As I said last week, we need to be fitter and quicker; and, our ball retention has to be alot better. We have talented players but we need to be doing the basics better.
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I view it as we ended up a year ahead of how it went for Wolves, with how things were last summer and for most of the season, this season should really have been the season we were smashing division 2 having spent the summer buying players that were too good for it. Which in turn would have meant less surgery needed when promoted.
But we would likely have been without Grealish in that alternate universe and we know how key he is to us at whatever level.
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Clutching at straws for positives here but on the injury front we seemed to get away with it...
Mings looked ok after his and apparently targett was a head injury so nothing that will keep him out next game. And nyland looked fine as a back up.
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Smith is learning too. Look at his background and compare that 5 years ago then look where nuno, pep and klopp were.
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And in that alternate universe we'd have had a summer of buying players for a division where mediocre crap like Albion and Preston are the top 2. And not just spunking cash like we did under Xia, but spending big money and actually having a plan. I'm convinced we'd have smashed that league with 100+ plus this season, and been in a position where we weren't having to replace nearly all the starting 11 when promoted.
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Smith is learning too. Look at his background and compare that 5 years ago then look where nuno, pep and klopp were.
I kind of agree (and he should definitely be given at least this season to prove himself), but you’ve got to question if he IS actually learning?
We seem to be on here after every draw/ defeat complaining about the same mistakes he makes regarding formations/tactics/subs every bloody time. Where are the examples of him changing it up to improve things?
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El Ghazi needs to put his foot in. As good as he was last season, it was an annoying trait which he got away with, but not now he's coming against better quality players he's exposed.
Luiz needs pulling out. Offered nothing today where either Hourihane or Lansbury would have done more creatively.
Poor Wesley can't do anything without some link up play. Needs someone closer to him.
Pleased for Nyland. There's a good keeper in there.
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This is one we have to take on the chin unfortunately, though we made it very easy for them. Our fullbacks were always exposed, Wesley was isolated so couldn't do much, if the two wide men aren't on form, then we have nothing up front. I think the two wide men are squad players at best. Wolves are further down the road than us with a very settled team and more quality, so maybe we can be too harsh on ourselves, though I think we need an upgrade in certain positions to give us better options from the bench.
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Thought we looked drained of energy and idea, no physical presence, what Wolves have cleverly done is build a team around 2 or 3 very good players, we should follow that plan, we must be prepared to go into the transfer market in Jan, heavily, the run up to Christmas looks like some very difficult games coming up, would hate to lose to Newcastle.
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Nyland did well.
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As third choice keeper he is better than mark bunn...
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Granted I have just left the pub, but what I saw at that horrible ground today has really pissed me off. We just didn’t compete at all & that should be a minimum. Maybe I’m going over the top but as bad as Brentford away last season. Bloody hell Villa!
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With Jack out, we needed a big game from SJM, but sadly we didn't get it. Hasn't played well for a few games, looked tired today and went missing for a lot of the match. Maybe he needs a rest, but he's with Scotland now and Smith won't leave him out for the Newcastle game. Every player has a dip in form and he's too good a player to be off form for a lengthy period of time.
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We are so flat without jack.
I thought we looked championship today , the front 3 bloody rubbish . The midfield crap.
We had a little bad luck with injuries but should have enough to at least match them and Wolves wasnt actually that good , well they didnt need to be.
The goalie did ok to be fair and I like Konsa and we looked 'ok' last 15 mins but not good enough.
Without Jack we are flat as a pancake
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Without Jack we are flat as the earth
Fixed that for Damo.
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Watching that today i thought what on earth did we get for 150 million?
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Watching that today i thought what on earth did we get for 150 million?
The chance to stay up.
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We had a little bad luck with injuries but should have enough to at least match them and Wolves wasnt actually that good , well they didnt need to be.
I cant stand the ****** but cant agree with that, Uncle Jorge has got them some quality playere in Neves, Moutinho, Jota and Jiminez.
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We had a little bad luck with injuries but should have enough to at least match them and Wolves wasnt actually that good , well they didnt need to be.
I cant stand the c***s but cant agree with that, Uncle Jorge has got them some quality playere in Neves, Moutinho, Jota and Jiminez.
They are, sadly, a good team. Think a big advantage that they do have is that the majority of their players are into at least their second season playing in their team and that system. You can see that they have had the time to be well drilled/coached.
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We had a little bad luck with injuries but should have enough to at least match them and Wolves wasnt actually that good , well they didnt need to be.
I cant stand the c***s but cant agree with that, Uncle Jorge has got them some quality playere in Neves, Moutinho, Jota and Jiminez.
They are, sadly, a good team. Think a big advantage that they do have is that the majority of their players are into at least their second season playing in their team and that system. You can see that they have had the time to be well drilled/coached.
Absolutely, they have been lucky with injuries for 18 months but I think that such a small squad in the Premier League and Europa will catch up with them. Hopefully when we play them at Villa Park they will have as many first team absentees as we did today.
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Smith is learning too. Look at his background and compare that 5 years ago then look where nuno, pep and klopp were.
I kind of agree (and he should definitely be given at least this season to prove himself), but you’ve got to question if he IS actually learning?
We seem to be on here after every draw/ defeat complaining about the same mistakes he makes regarding formations/tactics/subs every bloody time. Where are the examples of him changing it up to improve things?
I'm not sure about being given the season to be honest. The thought of going back down to the Championship and the inevitable asset stripping that wiould take place in that eventuality is pretty unthinkable at the moment. There may be a time a bit further down the line where a change might be deemed necessary to keep us up, but I think we are nowhere near that point just yet.
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We had a little bad luck with injuries but should have enough to at least match them and Wolves wasnt actually that good , well they didnt need to be.
I cant stand the c***s but cant agree with that, Uncle Jorge has got them some quality playere in Neves, Moutinho, Jota and Jiminez.
They are, sadly, a good team. Think a big advantage that they do have is that the majority of their players are into at least their second season playing in their team and that system. You can see that they have had the time to be well drilled/coached.
They came up from the Championship with a Premier League team already built. We came up with a Championship side largely on its last legs.
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Agree with the last comment they were a premiership side playing in the Championship totally different circumstances. With our squad we need every player firing up and yet I hardly heard Luiz mentioned, we have a centre forward who's standing jump seems to be about three inches and needs time under less pressure to get up to speed. JM badly misses Grealish as he gets a lot more freedom to do his thing. Smith needs to promote players who have missed out so far and I don't mean Kodja who for me has had his day.
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Didn't deserve anything, they've got some classy players in fairness that showed it today.
Some of their fans won't change though, cheering when Mings went down injured to go with the racist chant aimed at Mcginn when we played them in the Cup.
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Joleon Lescott https://twitter.com/astonforza/status/1192571662002249728
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There's only one ground in the country that guarantees some grizzled old boys will be trying to trade punches with anything that moves. And so it was again today.
I’m guessing they had moustaches, black slip on shoes and creases down the front of their snow washed jeans? Or maybe they’d looked a little more modern after picking up some ideas from the travelling Banik Ostrava fans in the week?
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There's only one ground in the country that guarantees some grizzled old boys will be trying to trade punches with anything that moves. And so it was again today.
I’m guessing they had moustaches, black slip on shoes and creases down the front of their snow washed jeans? Or maybe they’d looked a little more modern after picking up some ideas from the travelling Banik Ostrava fans in the week?
They have more middle aged fat blokes in clothes that dont fit, trying to be hooligans than any other club. Strange as fuck club.
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The cloying desperation for us to care about them is quite endearing.
Their big game, not ours.
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Very disappointed with that performance especially Targett Luiz (does he want to be here?)ducking under the ball for the first and a timid challenge for the seond,and SJM who seems badly jaded and missing Jack-
We are woeful with headers throw ins and corners,free kicks too for that matter,seem not to be match fit and why is it that almost every team we play seem to have more players on the pitch than we do?
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First half, we looked like a team that had been selected on the car park after coming out of the night club a few hours before
2nd half was better, but that was not difficult.
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Wasn't great all round yesterday was it? Lost our first choice keeper and centre half before the game, then lost our first choice left back and second choice keeper during the game and didn't play very well either. The ball didn't stick in midfield. McGinn looked a bit lost without Jack and I forgot Luiz was on the pitch at times. I thought Nakamba did well again though. They were the better side but we made it too easy for them, especially for their goals.
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The cloying desperation for us to care about them is quite endearing.
Their big game, not ours.
I’ve only just read this. Beautiful. Sums up my own feelings. It is endearing - rather quaint and old fashioned, in a rapidly-changing world.
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As much as I dislike Wolves, I have to say that they looked a good side yesterday.
I worry about the LB position still and think this is probably 2nd priority behind a striker In January or next Summer at the latest.
Difficult to criticise individual performances as they were all below par with the exception of possibly Konsa and Nyland - Both of whom came in from the cold and did well.
I likened this performance to the one against Brighton (when they were playing with 11 men). Both Brighton & Wolves play 3 at the back and we struggled to play against it on both occasions.
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For all the other aspects of our performance (good and bad) we haven’t half given away some soft goals in the last couple of games.
No one within 10 yards of their best striker of the ball from a free kick is pretty unforgivable for the first yesterday. Terrible pass selection from McGinn and then lack of tactical foul from Luiz for the second.
Can also add Liverpool’s second and Man City first to that at least.
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For all the other aspects of our performance (good and bad) we haven’t half given away some soft goals in the last couple of games.
No one within 10 yards of their best striker of the ball from a free kick is pretty unforgivable for the first yesterday. Terrible pass selection from McGinn and then lack of tactical foul from Luiz for the second.
Can also add Liverpool’s second and Man City first to that at least.
Agreed. The first goal was sooo naive: no one with th epresence of mind or observation skills to see Neves lining up. For the second, we did what we do well: give the ball away; and, I thought Nyland could have done better with it when the shot finally came in.
As I said yesterday, fitness, ball retention and more 'nous' are required.
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Did the Croatian goalie slip out of the club without me noticing?
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Disappointed with yesterday's game not at the races in the first half and the way they scored there goal's we could've have done better.
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Piss poor yesterday, worst performance of the season by a mile. Everyone had a stinker, even McGinn didn't get a kick against Moutinho. The worst culprits though were Guilbert who gave the ball away everytime he had it and Wesley who looks more shit by the game. If we don't sign a striker in January we're going down.
We showed them far too much respect for some reason. Everytime they had the ball we dropped off, gave them too much space and retreated to the edge of our box, bizarre. I called their first goal as I'm sure most did, why on earth would you leave Neves unmarked on the edge of the box? Braindead.
Hate to say it but Wolves looked miles ahead of us in every position and tactically. I don't understand what our game plan was or what we were trying to do.
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For all the other aspects of our performance (good and bad) we haven’t half given away some soft goals in the last couple of games.
No one within 10 yards of their best striker of the ball from a free kick is pretty unforgivable for the first yesterday. Terrible pass selection from McGinn and then lack of tactical foul from Luiz for the second.
Can also add Liverpool’s second and Man City first to that at least.
Agreed. The first goal was sooo naive: no one with th epresence of mind or observation skills to see Neves lining up. For the second, we did what we do well: give the ball away; and, I thought Nyland could have done better with it when the shot finally came in.
As I said yesterday, fitness, ball retention and more 'nous' are required.
It’s the naivety that is killing us at the moment. From players and coaching staff.
Right now I reckon, bar Norwich, we must be the least likely team to grind out a result. For a variety of reasons, we haven’t been able to define a way to draw or win games when we haven’t been at our best.
And it’s frustrating because when we are good we are excellent and I would back us to get a result against the majority of teams in the league. Any drop off from that level though and we just look so vulnerable.
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I cant believe anybody watched that game and thought Freddie played poorly.
By far and away our best player, he works his absolute bollocks off.
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Very true, I think niave is the word that has been used with the most regularity on this forum to describe our play and i'd go with that. The last 3 games especially we have conceeded goals that were very avoidable. Surely our preperation in the week for Wolves must of included not allowing Neves to get the ball around 25 yards out? The defending of that free kick routine was pathetic from us.
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Got the tactics wrong from the outset.
Fullbacks tucking in gave licence to roam esp for Doherty.
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Our reserves beat their third XI 2-1. Their first team beat our reserves 2-1. Let's see how we do against the jammy twats when our first team plays theirs.
Hardly our reserves, it was only really Grealish and Engels out.
Nyland in goal and we lost Targett during the game as well.
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I cant believe anybody watched that game and thought Freddie played poorly.
By far and away our best player, he works his absolute bollocks off.
I did, and I did. He worked hard but was poor, same as everyone else bar El Ghazi in the second half, and Taylor, who actually came on and improved us
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I too though Taylor coming on improved us. Targett had lost possession a few times prior to that.
El Ghazi, Trezeguet, McGinn, Luiz all nearly totally anonymous for the most part, barring that spell in the second half. I can forgive McGinn and Luiz but am getting tired of the two wingers.
We deservedly lost but it's disappointing to read people talking about Smith needing to go. He's only just started to have a go at this job. We generally play some really good football and this season I've been proud of the way we have competed. We're not going to go from promotion-scrapers to european spots over night.
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We deservedly lost but it's disappointing to read people talking about Smith needing to go.
I dont think one single person has said that.
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It was a shit one. No two ways about it.
Nothing went for us and we didn't help ourselves.
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We don't help ourselves playing two light weight wingers.
Our attacking three don't really have pace, trickery or strength which is worrying. They're all a bit Meh.
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Another thing Our use of corners and free kicks is abysmal.
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We had a disrupted build up to the game and were very much second best on the day. We just need to move on and play better next game.
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Another thing Our use of corners and free kicks is abysmal.
Absolutely. I’m pretty sure we haven’t scored a headed goal yet in league games this season , which tells you a lot.
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We deservedly lost but it's disappointing to read people talking about Smith needing to go.
I dont think one single person has said that.
LukeJames, there's conversation earlier in this thread intimating it, with others suggesting he deserves at least this year. We're all entitled to voice our opinions, of course, I just found it a bit deflating.
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Not sure what my neighbours must think but I was screaming at the TV so hard I think the paint came off the walls. The amount of time we give the ball back is unbelievable - not just one of two players but nearly all of them and the worst yesterday was Nakamba - for everything he does well, breaking up play and interceptions he then inexplicably gives it straight back to the opposition
McGinn without Jack is anonymous or as we saw yesterday actually piss poor at times.
Luiz - complete passenger and deserves to lose his place for that pathetic attempt to stop Adama.
Trez - don't wave your arms around at supporters when you scored in the 92nd minute - what about the other 89 minutes you did fuck all.
Targett - grow some balls
Wesley - yes he should do better but fuck me someone start getting within 20 yards of his when he gets the ball
Smith - love the bloke and you can see he is not happy but only he can change it
I really think we have the players to suit a 352 formation
Engels Mings Haus
Guilbert Targett
Nakamba
McGinn Grealish Hourihane
Wesley
Not sure if the Manager would swap his original plan but something needs to change
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I'm beginning to think we actually bought quite badly in the summer with the exception of Hause - who I really rate - Engles, Heaton and Marvelous. The jury is out for me on Konsa because i still think we should have bought another forward with the money. Fred in January was a great buy.
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The only poor looking buys at the moment appear to be for me Wesley, Targett and Luiz. None of them are solid enough.
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Another thing Our use of corners and free kicks is abysmal.
Absolutely. I’m pretty sure we haven’t scored a headed goal yet in league games this season , which tells you a lot.
We also appear to have one of the shorter teams in the division so I don't think it's a coincidence really. Very vulnerable in the air defensively for the same reason
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I'm beginning to think we actually bought quite badly in the summer with the exception of Hause - who I really rate - Engles, Heaton and Marvelous. The jury is out for me on Konsa because i still think we should have bought another forward with the money. Fred in January was a great buy.
Hause hasn't started a league game yet in fairness. Agreed on Engels, Nakamba and Guilbert. Konsa for me showed enough promise yesterday for a serious question to be asked as to who should partner Mings. Heaton has been ok and nothing more. Trez is a bit meh, 2 goals last 2 games mind.
It's our three big money signings that have disappointed, Luiz clearly has the ability but hasn't nailed a place yet. Wes and Targett seem out of their depth. 15m for Southamptons reserve left back is starting to look a crazy decision. Two crucial positions where alternatives include Taylor and Kodjia.
Jota isn't up to the top division either but more of a backup anyway.
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I thought wolves were very good at stopping Trez and El Ghazi from finding any space off their wings. It meant there was no room beyond them for our fullbacks to exploit and also isolated our centre forward. Even if Jota had been fit enough to come in for Grealish, it would've been a different game, but with neither we had next to nothing to disrupt that back line of theirs.
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Play 12 games with the same tactics as a newly promoted team? If you are not a top 6 team with top players, you should tweak and adjust youre tactics as per opponent i think...
Start with defense play and make Villa park a fortress. Away games you can push and free play to attack. To little changes in de last 3 months really. I know its a new team, new league but they have to learn... Always same mistakes, low pace / low energy in the last 15 minutes.
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I'm beginning to think we actually bought quite badly in the summer with the exception of Hause - who I really rate - Engles, Heaton and Marvelous. The jury is out for me on Konsa because i still think we should have bought another forward with the money. Fred in January was a great buy.
I think that's a bit unfair. We brought what, 11-12 players in and there was always going to be a couple who didn't hit the ground running or who didn't look great. As for Konza, he's only played cup games up until yesterday so to say the jury is out because you think we should have used the money to buy a striker is unfair as well. We brought them in as one on the future as well as staying in the league.
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I'm beginning to think we actually bought quite badly in the summer with the exception of Hause - who I really rate - Engles, Heaton and Marvelous. The jury is out for me on Konsa because i still think we should have bought another forward with the money. Fred in January was a great buy.
Have you forgotten about Mings?
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We deservedly lost but it's disappointing to read people talking about Smith needing to go.
Completely agree with you Nelly. There are posts in the thread ‘just putting it out there’ about Smith etc, it’s really quite depressing after just 12 games. Since O’Neil left in 2010 can anyone remember a better time as a villa fan than after Smith came in last year , other than a rocky patch in January & February. Even with mixed results since being promoted, villa park is rocking like I haven’t known it in well over a decade if not more and to an extent that’s down to Smith. That’s not to say he can live off that for ever, but we’re in early November, I really think some people need to get a grip.
In terms of some of the new players. I thought Targett was poor yesterday but that’s the only bad game I’ve seen him have for us, so we need to give him a break. Before yesterday I was quite excited about our centre mid area and am still optimistic that McGinn & Nakamba can form a really good partnership. I’m far more concerned about Luiz. In the cup game against wolves his passing range was head and shoulders above everyone else, but he was lightweight for their goal and even worse yesterday, didn’t look interested at times & although he has more skill than Hourihane or Lansbury I’d be tempted to bring one of them in for newcastle, if nothing else to show Luiz he needs to change his attitude.
Wesley needs help not replacing.
If we need 40 points this season which is debatable, think we’ll need something like 7 wins and 7 draws leaving room for around 12 defeats. Would need a better win ratio than 1st quarter of season but do able
I dont think one single person has said that.
LukeJames, there's conversation earlier in this thread intimating it, with others suggesting he deserves at least this year. We're all entitled to voice our opinions, of course, I just found it a bit deflating.
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Another thing Our use of corners and free kicks is abysmal.
Absolutely. I’m pretty sure we haven’t scored a headed goal yet in league games this season , which tells you a lot.
On the other hand, the last two goals that we have scored have been from a free kick and a corner.
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I'm beginning to think we actually bought quite badly in the summer with the exception of Hause - who I really rate - Engles, Heaton and Marvelous. The jury is out for me on Konsa because i still think we should have bought another forward with the money. Fred in January was a great buy.
Hause hasn't started a league game yet in fairness. Agreed on Engels, Nakamba and Guilbert. Konsa for me showed enough promise yesterday for a serious question to be asked as to who should partner Mings. Heaton has been ok and nothing more. Trez is a bit meh, 2 goals last 2 games mind.
It's our three big money signings that have disappointed, Luiz clearly has the ability but hasn't nailed a place yet. Wes and Targett seem out of their depth. 15m for Southamptons reserve left back is starting to look a crazy decision. Two crucial positions where alternatives include Taylor and Kodjia.
Jota isn't up to the top division either but more of a backup anyway.
I'm no fan of Taylor, but Targett was abysmal yesterday. The worst left back performance since Taylor at Wigan last season.
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I'm beginning to think we actually bought quite badly in the summer with the exception of Hause - who I really rate - Engles, Heaton and Marvelous. The jury is out for me on Konsa because i still think we should have bought another forward with the money. Fred in January was a great buy.
Hause hasn't started a league game yet in fairness. Agreed on Engels, Nakamba and Guilbert. Konsa for me showed enough promise yesterday for a serious question to be asked as to who should partner Mings. Heaton has been ok and nothing more. Trez is a bit meh, 2 goals last 2 games mind.
It's our three big money signings that have disappointed, Luiz clearly has the ability but hasn't nailed a place yet. Wes and Targett seem out of their depth. 15m for Southamptons reserve left back is starting to look a crazy decision. Two crucial positions where alternatives include Taylor and Kodjia.
Jota isn't up to the top division either but more of a backup anyway.
I'm no fan of Taylor, but Targett was abysmal yesterday. The worst left back performance since Taylor at Wigan last season.
Agree, he was dreadful.
I half thought he was over egging his injury to get subbed.
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I'm beginning to think we actually bought quite badly in the summer with the exception of Hause - who I really rate - Engles, Heaton and Marvelous. The jury is out for me on Konsa because i still think we should have bought another forward with the money. Fred in January was a great buy.
Hause hasn't started a league game yet in fairness. Agreed on Engels, Nakamba and Guilbert. Konsa for me showed enough promise yesterday for a serious question to be asked as to who should partner Mings. Heaton has been ok and nothing more. Trez is a bit meh, 2 goals last 2 games mind.
It's our three big money signings that have disappointed, Luiz clearly has the ability but hasn't nailed a place yet. Wes and Targett seem out of their depth. 15m for Southamptons reserve left back is starting to look a crazy decision. Two crucial positions where alternatives include Taylor and Kodjia.
Jota isn't up to the top division either but more of a backup anyway.
I'm no fan of Taylor, but Targett was abysmal yesterday. The worst left back performance since Taylor at Wigan last season.
We have a long list of poor left backs. I compared him to Nicky Shorey during the match thread. Stephen Warnock at the end spent more time on the ground than competing with his opponent.
Targett appeared to lack bottle from the first few minutes. Think it was Doherty that strolled inside him into the box without any attempt of a tackle for a shot with his left. after about three minutes. Of a local derby game. Nowhere near good enough and even Neil Taylor showed him up when he came on (no fan either but at least he competed).
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I'm beginning to think we actually bought quite badly in the summer with the exception of Hause - who I really rate - Engles, Heaton and Marvelous. The jury is out for me on Konsa because i still think we should have bought another forward with the money. Fred in January was a great buy.
Well in that case we didn't buy badly. Signing 4 good players in one TW is actually very good. No club has only ever bought gems in one window and no club is without it's fails and absolute turds. . It will take time.
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SJM just hasn't been at the races for a few games now.
Since the last international break. Forthwith we should stop him from turning out for them lot up there.
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I'm beginning to think we actually bought quite badly in the summer with the exception of Hause - who I really rate - Engles, Heaton and Marvelous. The jury is out for me on Konsa because i still think we should have bought another forward with the money. Fred in January was a great buy.
I think that's a bit unfair. We brought what, 11-12 players in and there was always going to be a couple who didn't hit the ground running or who didn't look great. As for Konza, he's only played cup games up until yesterday so to say the jury is out because you think we should have used the money to buy a striker is unfair as well. We brought them in as one on the future as well as staying in the league.
We need to build a squad as well as a starting XI. Agree that some are not going to work out and will have to be replaced, but should be better bench options than we have had before.
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It just seems that the forward line play as individuals with little cohesion without Grealish.
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I'm beginning to think we actually bought quite badly in the summer with the exception of Hause - who I really rate - Engles, Heaton and Marvelous. The jury is out for me on Konsa because i still think we should have bought another forward with the money. Fred in January was a great buy.
Well in that case we didn't buy badly. Signing 4 good players in one TW is actually very good. No club has only ever bought gems in one window and no club is without it's fails and absolute turds. . It will take time.
I agree. It's way too early to judge because they're all new to the club, new to each other and mainly new to the league so it will take time and all of them have shown signs of having enough to be able to play in this league, some to do quite well. They're mainly all young too. Compare to some of the young players we took a punt on 5 years ago or so and there's no comparison.
The only one that i'm unsure will make it at the moment is Jota, he's got some skill but a total lack of pace and strength means he's going to struggle. Age wise he's at his peak too so can't see him improving. In fairness though, i think that deal was already done before we went up and he would have been an excellent alternate option for Grealish in the championship (we saw how we struggled when he was out last season) so it did make sense.
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I agree that Jota has looked off the pace but if he was carrying this injury for a while I think I'd like to see him play some games now he's had his op before I make a call either way. Hopefully he'll show us that the injury was limiting him more than we'd like and he can step up and be a genuine option on the right wing.
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I agree that Jota has looked off the pace but if he was carrying this injury for a while I think I'd like to see him play some games now he's had his op before I make a call either way. Hopefully he'll show us that the injury was limiting him more than we'd like and he can step up and be a genuine option on the right wing.
He just looks extremely lightweight and powder puff. He's probably provide more quality balls than Trezeguet or El Ghazi, but even less in the way of cover for Guilbert.
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I agree that Jota has looked off the pace but if he was carrying this injury for a while I think I'd like to see him play some games now he's had his op before I make a call either way. Hopefully he'll show us that the injury was limiting him more than we'd like and he can step up and be a genuine option on the right wing.
He just looks extremely lightweight and powder puff. He's probably provide more quality balls than Trezeguet or El Ghazi, but even less in the way of cover for Guilbert.
I agree, I'm just hoping there might be more to come.
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I'm beginning to think we actually bought quite badly in the summer with the exception of Hause - who I really rate - Engles, Heaton and Marvelous. The jury is out for me on Konsa because i still think we should have bought another forward with the money. Fred in January was a great buy.
Hause hasn't started a league game yet in fairness. Agreed on Engels, Nakamba and Guilbert. Konsa for me showed enough promise yesterday for a serious question to be asked as to who should partner Mings. Heaton has been ok and nothing more. Trez is a bit meh, 2 goals last 2 games mind.
It's our three big money signings that have disappointed, Luiz clearly has the ability but hasn't nailed a place yet. Wes and Targett seem out of their depth. 15m for Southamptons reserve left back is starting to look a crazy decision. Two crucial positions where alternatives include Taylor and Kodjia.
Jota isn't up to the top division either but more of a backup anyway.
I'm no fan of Taylor, but Targett was abysmal yesterday. The worst left back performance since Taylor at Wigan last season.
Nothing is that bad.
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I'm beginning to think we actually bought quite badly in the summer with the exception of Hause - who I really rate - Engles, Heaton and Marvelous. The jury is out for me on Konsa because i still think we should have bought another forward with the money. Fred in January was a great buy.
Hause hasn't started a league game yet in fairness. Agreed on Engels, Nakamba and Guilbert. Konsa for me showed enough promise yesterday for a serious question to be asked as to who should partner Mings. Heaton has been ok and nothing more. Trez is a bit meh, 2 goals last 2 games mind.
It's our three big money signings that have disappointed, Luiz clearly has the ability but hasn't nailed a place yet. Wes and Targett seem out of their depth. 15m for Southamptons reserve left back is starting to look a crazy decision. Two crucial positions where alternatives include Taylor and Kodjia.
Jota isn't up to the top division either but more of a backup anyway.
I'm no fan of Taylor, but Targett was abysmal yesterday. The worst left back performance since Taylor at Wigan last season.
when we were all arguing after the first few games of the season which one to play in Taylor or Target
I think it was you who said ‘if we have bought a left back that is no better than Taylor in we have just pissed 12m up the wall’
which I think still holds true
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Why do we write players off so quickly. Target was poor on Sunday, but has played well in some other games.
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Why do we write players off so quickly. Target was poor on Sunday, but has played well in some other games.
I agree, I think expecting a newly assembled squad not to have ups and downs is unrealistic.
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Why do we write players off so quickly. Target was poor on Sunday, but has played well in some other games.
yep you only have to look at Traore to see that
as for Target I’m not to worried I still think he is and will be a big upgrade on Taylor
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Why do we write players off so quickly. Target was poor on Sunday, but has played well in some other games.
yep you only have to look at Traore to see that
as for Target I’m not to worried I still think he is and will be a big upgrade on Taylor
Wolves over-ran us in the first half, no-one played well. Not sure why people are picking on Targett specifically. The lad was kicked in the head and had to go off because he was seeing stars.
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Why do we write players off so quickly. Target was poor on Sunday, but has played well in some other games.
yep you only have to look at Traore to see that
as for Target I’m not to worried I still think he is and will be a big upgrade on Taylor
Hause is better than both of them in my opinion
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Hause is a good defender for sure, I'm just not convinced he offers what the modern full back needs to attacking wise.
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Why do we write players off so quickly. Target was poor on Sunday, but has played well in some other games.
yep you only have to look at Traore to see that
as for Target I’m not to worried I still think he is and will be a big upgrade on Taylor
Wolves over-ran us in the first half, no-one played well. Not sure why people are picking on Targett specifically. The lad was kicked in the head and had to go off because he was seeing stars.
Traore went past him without having to even break sweat at least 5 times before that incident.
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Traore has been running past full backs for a couple of years now. No disgrace for Targett there. Traore is fast as...….luckily he still wastes most of his efforts. He ripped Man City apart a few weeks ago though. Targett did ok, Taylor did ok defensively, Hause should have been given a chance instead though.
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In the circumstances, I'm not sure why we signed Hause, now? I thought he looked really good last season but obviously he's a bit of a way down the pecking order. I think we will put together a little run of 4 - 5 wins between now and May which will see us rise out of this in the same way Burnley did last season. I think it will be a less impressive first season than Wolves had but we'll be ok and next season we'll kick on. Sad to say, because he seems a nice guy, I'm starting to think we need an upgrade on Wesley.
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In the circumstances, I'm not sure why we signed Hause, now? I thought he looked really good last season but obviously he's a bit of a way down the pecking order. I think we will put together a little run of 4 - 5 wins between now and May which will see us rise out of this in the same way Burnley did last season. I think it will be a less impressive first season than Wolves had but we'll be ok and next season we'll kick on. Sad to say, because he seems a nice guy, I'm starting to think we need an upgrade on Wesley.
Simply it was as a backup to Mings who, lets not forget, had 3 season of near constant injury problems before last year.
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Awful first half. Couldn't believe the improvement in the wide players after the break. Don't understand why AEG, on his central run after the break, didn't shoot with his right foot when the chance was there.
Apparently, we had 50% possession overall, which is incredible after that first half. Didn't look too shabby on the other stats, either.
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It's took me a week to recover.
Absolute spineless crap.
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It's took me a week to recover.
Absolute spineless crap.
Defeats before an international break are particularly challenging. Can't wait to let out our frustrations from the Wolves game against Newcastle. Wish it was this weekend though.
I just hope that our players feel the same way!
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Very glad we aren't playing this weekend. We, desperately, need Grealish fit. Without him we're as much use as the Jimi Hendrix Experience without Jimi Hendrix.
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Very glad we aren't playing this weekend. We, desperately, need Grealish fit. Without him we're as much use as the Jimi Hendrix Experience without Jimi Hendrix.
I'm only 48. Do you mean like INXS without Michael Hutchence?
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Very glad we aren't playing this weekend. We, desperately, need Grealish fit. Without him we're as much use as the Jimi Hendrix Experience without Jimi Hendrix.
I'm only 48. Do you mean like INXS without Michael Hutchence?
The first half was the equivalent of an anphixi-wank.
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I wish. We'd have missed and ended up strangling the cat.
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I wondered why the beer tasted funny...
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Very glad we aren't playing this weekend. We, desperately, need Grealish fit. Without him we're as much use as the Jimi Hendrix Experience without Jimi Hendrix.
I'm only 48. Do you mean like INXS without Michael Hutchence?
There is no modern equivalent.
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Very glad we aren't playing this weekend. We, desperately, need Grealish fit. Without him we're as much use as the Jimi Hendrix Experience without Jimi Hendrix.
I'm only 48. Do you mean like INXS without Michael Hutchence?
There is no modern equivalent.
Strictly Come Dancing without Anton DuBeke. *cough*