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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Toronto Villa on November 02, 2019, 02:02:43 PM
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Fuck no Jack
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Our wide men need to be on top form today, defensively and on the attacking side too. UTV.
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Grealish not in the match day squad at all.
Amazing, innit? Salah shakes off his knock no bother in time to play a blinder against us, no doubt. Meanwhile Jack is supposed to be well in contention to play, until this morning when suddenly he's a real doubt, and now can't even make the bench.
I fear a stuffing coming our way now.
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Grealish not even on the bench. Smith said yesterday he was available it was just whether he would start.
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No Grealish. Fuck me.
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Hmm not many attacking options
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Liverpool: Alisson, Alexander-Arnold, Lovren, Van Dijk, Robertson, Lallana, Henderson, Wijnaldum, Mane, Salah, Firmino.
Subs: Adrian, Fabinho, Milner, Keita, Gomez, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Origi.
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There were videos of him taking photos/meeting with fans, also.
Bollocks
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If he’s still feeling it, it’s pointless risking him against best side in country when we have a massive December
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Trez and El Ghazi out wide. We're fucked.
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Agreed. Free hit this, if there’s any doubt give him a game off.
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Time for Trez to step up with McGinn. And for Wesley to show some intent.
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Trez and El Ghazi out wide. We're fucked.
They'd better not be lazy.
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Douglas did OK against Man City but nothing more than that. Did Hourihane have a shocker against Brighton or something?
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If he's not fully fit i'm glad we aren't risking him.
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I don't want to see Trez bottling out of challenges again. He concerns me
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Agreed. Free hit this, if there’s any doubt give him a game off.
If it's really a free hit, then why not rest a bunch of them? I don't buy that logic at all. It's a league game at home, not a free hit.
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Without Jack that’s the team I’d have picked . Expect 4-5-1 mostly
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If he’s still feeling it, it’s pointless risking him against best side in country when we have a massive December
Exactly what i felt when i saw the line up.
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Imagine the absolute pelters DS would get if we played Jack when he's not fit enough, he aggravates the injury and is out for months. He's not playing because he isn't fit enough to play.
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Agreed. Free hit this, if there’s any doubt give him a game off.
If it's really a free hit, then why not rest a bunch of them? I don't buy that logic at all. It's a league game at home, not a free hit.
Obviously that’s not worth doing - our chances may be slim but we can get something from this game. With Jack, it’s certainly not a game (or stage of the season) where the desperation for three points comes near to out weighting the possible negative implications of playing someone that isn’t fully fit.
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Imagine the absolute pelters DS would get if we played Jack when he's not fit enough, he aggravates the injury and is out for months. He's not playing because he isn't fit enough to play.
Well within sensible parameters obviously. If jack is 50/50 then it would be insane to risk him against a team where 3 points would be a massive bonus, with the Xmas schedule bearing down.
Edit - quote fail. I agree with you pws
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Imagine the absolute pelters DS would get if we played Jack when he's not fit enough, he aggravates the injury and is out for months. He's not playing because he isn't fit enough to play.
Right. Which is different to resting somebody because the game is a 'free hit'. He also didn't need to say earlier in the week that Jack seemed fine to play.
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I don’t think anyone’s saying give jack a rest for the hell of it. He’s clearly recovering from a knock, clearly 50/50, so it’s about how you best deploy that resource.
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Double post
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I don’t think anyone’s saying give jack a rest for the hell of it. He’s clearly recovering from a knock, clearly 50/50, so it’s about how you best deploy that resource.
Fair enough. Worried we'll be absolutely flat without our creative outlet today. Like others, worried about the likes of Trez and Anwar without Jack to pull the strings.
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Imagine the absolute pelters DS would get if we played Jack when he's not fit enough, he aggravates the injury and is out for months. He's not playing because he isn't fit enough to play.
Right. Which is different to resting somebody because the game is a 'free hit'. He also didn't need to say earlier in the week that Jack seemed fine to play.
You're right, he should have told Liverpool in advance that Jack wasn't playing.
Or maybe the way he was progressing during the week they felt there was a decent chance he'd make the game but that hasn't happened. Hardly the first time a player should/could recover to play the next game and on the day wasn't fit enough.
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I don’t think anyone’s saying give jack a rest for the hell of it. He’s clearly recovering from a knock, clearly 50/50, so it’s about how you best deploy that resource.
Fair enough. Worried we'll be absolutely flat without our creative outlet today. Like others, worried about the likes of Trez and Anwar without Jack to pull the strings.
Take it less seriously. It'll help you.
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I agree mate it’s disappointing and drastically reduces our chances of getting anything out of this. But I don’t reckon smith would have taken it lightly so presumably there’s been a development since his previous quotes.
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Big blow about Jack,going 2 nil Liverpool
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Come on you Villa boys!
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This better not be another one of those bullshit injuries where it's stated he's out for a few weeks and then keeps getting put back and back for months.
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Hause should also be ahead of Taylor on our bench.
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Urgh this could be bad.
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I'd take 0-0.
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6-0 (on the yellow card count anyway).
FTF. 1-0 outrageous VAR penalty via a Mane style dive from Trez.
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I don’t think anyone’s saying give jack a rest for the hell of it. He’s clearly recovering from a knock, clearly 50/50, so it’s about how you best deploy that resource.
Fair enough. Worried we'll be absolutely flat without our creative outlet today. Like others, worried about the likes of Trez and Anwar without Jack to pull the strings.
Take it less seriously. It'll help you.
Imagine me, a fan forum poster, taking the game seriously. Daft eh
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I'd take 0-0.
Be brave.
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Stewards asking everyone to remove their hats on entry. Is this how the twats are getting flares in?
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This better not be another one of those bullshit injuries where it's stated he's out for a few weeks and then keeps getting put back and back for months.
That's my worry, I had a feeling he wouldn't make today, I just want him fit for next weekend, not a repeat of last season when he was out for ages.
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I don’t think anyone’s saying give jack a rest for the hell of it. He’s clearly recovering from a knock, clearly 50/50, so it’s about how you best deploy that resource.
Fair enough. Worried we'll be absolutely flat without our creative outlet today. Like others, worried about the likes of Trez and Anwar without Jack to pull the strings.
Take it less seriously. It'll help you.
Imagine me, a fan forum poster, taking the game seriously. Daft eh
Yep. Mate, we're all absolutely fucking mental to care so much, but this is a game where the only outcomes are either a defeat that we're all prepared for or something else, which would be amazing. Literally no point worrying about anything to do with the whole endeavour.
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Stewards asking everyone to remove their hats on entry. Is this how the twats are getting flares in?
No, it's to check that Scousers aren't try to get into the home seats. You don't get admitted if you've got a bubble perm under the hat.
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Looks to me like a long old afternoon.
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I'd take 0-0.
Be brave.
I'd be elated with 0-0.
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Not many attacking options on the bench with Jota and Davis missing from it.
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Come on you Villa boys!
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We'll go above Man U if we win today.
(winky thing).
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Come on You Lions
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I'd love to beat these nauseating bastards today.
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Have faith...keep the faith. They are only fuckin scousers. We are Aston Villa
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Fuck me. If there was one game I'd love us to win this season over ANY other, it's this one.
COME ON YOU VILLA BOYS!!!!
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Those driving, taken your hub caps off?
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I'll tell you one thing right now, this ain't gonna finish 0-0.
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Is it nearly full time yet?
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After the half chance for Anwar it’s been one way. Only 84% possession for Liverpool. This might sound a stretch but I reckon if that keeps up it will lead to a goal for them.
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We have had 2 100% chances... need take those
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Heavily criticised big Wes last week, so only fair to say he's started well up for this one. Hopefully keeps it going for the full 90.... Lovren's there for the taking today if Wesley keeps it together.
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He has to bully Lovren who can be a liability. The other bloke is arguably the best CB in the world.
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He has to bully Lovren who can be a liability. The other bloke is arguably the best CB in the world.
Koulibaly is playing for Liverpool?
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Jesus that was close from Mane
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How many Liverpool players free on that back post for that Henderson cross! Guilbert had 3/4 to deal with?!
Can't defend like that against this lot.
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We need to keep the ball better and stop giving it back to them so cheaply.
They seem to be targeting our full backs. Get tighter?
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Just about to taxi on a Paris-Perpignan flight. I hope to see 3 more points on the board when we land. UTV!
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Good save shot from Salah
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Get in!
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YESSSSSSSSSSSS
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Just about to taxi on a Paris-Perpignan flight. I hope to see 3 more points on the board when we land. UTV!
Go first class on the A380 to Perp... has internet ;)
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That's the way Trez!
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Awaits VAR.
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Fucking superb goal by Trez
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Our son
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Unbelievable.
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Haha fuck off VAR on this one
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Hahaha! I was just about to bitch about the fact that Mane did 2 consecutive fouls and didn't get booked - get in!!
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Gooooooool! Get in!
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SCORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRCHIOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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Goalĺlllllllllllll
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I do fucking hate VAR. Just kills all the spontaneous joy
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VAR check goes Villa's way shock.
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Commentators do love Villa Park
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Get the fook in!!!
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I love Trez and VAR! Well this time
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couldnt really celebrate that then but WOW
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TREZEGUET!!!!!!
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Nakamba. Goodness me.
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Please let us hold on and beat these fuckers!!
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VAR doing everything it can to try and rule that out. Not this time, son!
Ave it!
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VAR about to fuck us again
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No goal Liverpool! Can you believe it.
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VAR check goes Villa's way twice double shock.
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fuvk that was close
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Were they robbed?
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Var is on our side. Can you believe it?
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I've always said that VAR is perfect and I think it's ace.
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Come on Villa, tighten up.
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Were they robbed?
No where near our level of fuckery, but looked very close. Maybe just 1 cm
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VAR - the pendulum finally swings our way.
3 more to go to even things up.
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I've always said that VAR is perfect and I think it's ace.
;)
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Afternoon all. Fookin brilliant so far. Rub of the green most welcome.
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Guilbert keeps getting overloaded at RB. Needs some midfielders tracking back to help or we're going to come unstuck.
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Trez back on form with that shank...
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How’s Wes doing?
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Trez....Love a round of golf with him.
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Mané carded for a dive. Imagine Liverpool cheating?
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How’s Wes doing?
Not bad. He has Lovren in his pocket... but still collapsing in a heap and throwing his toys out of the pram at times.
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Sane you fucking cheat.
If Moss had a pair of balls, Sane would be off now. Should have been booked earlier.
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Mane yellow for diving - he should already have a yellow too
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Cheating sack of shit Mane. He's won penalties just like that for them this season. At least the ref was ready for it.
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West Ham 0-2 Newcastle. Fair play to Bruce. Without having a lot to work with he's done ok up there so far.
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Trez goal https://twitter.com/AVFCchats/status/1190653283792232448
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Get rid of this VAR shit it's runing the game.
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Sheff Utd 2-0 Burnley - Chris Wilder is a manager who has been truly brilliant for a number of years now.
Edit: make that 3-0
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Sheff Utd 2-0 Burnley - Chris Wilder is a manager who has been truly brilliant for a number of years now.
3-0 now. Agree.
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Let's hope we don't put in our usual 2nd half performance against the 'top' clubs.
And Twitter is very very funny at present.
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Way better than I thought, lets hope we don't do a Man City and fade badly in the 2nd half
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Get rid of this VAR shit it's runing the game.
Farminio looked onside to me
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Come on Villa!!
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Unfortunately first halves having been our problem this season. The game and performance has more than a whiff of the Spurs and Arsenal games about it. We'll need to be better on the ball second half but usually we retreat. Let's see if we've learned yet. Excellent from McGinn, Guilbert and Mings up to now. Certainly far better overall than I expected without Captain Jack.
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Unfortunately first halves having been our problem this season. The game and performance has more than a whiff of the Spurs and Arsenal games about it. We'll need to be better on the ball second half but usually we retreat. Let's see if we've learned yet. Excellent from McGinn, Guilbert and Mings up to now. Certainly far better overall than I expected without Captain Jack.
Pretty sure first halves haven't been our problem ;)
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This is to much for me ill go out and run a half marathon now hopefully villa have won when i come back.
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Unfortunately first halves having been our problem this season. The game and performance has more than a whiff of the Spurs and Arsenal games about it. We'll need to be better on the ball second half but usually we retreat. Let's see if we've learned yet. Excellent from McGinn, Guilbert and Mings up to now. Certainly far better overall than I expected without Captain Jack.
Pretty sure first halves haven't been our problem ;)
Bollocks.
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Just seen the Firmino replay. I’d be doing my absolute nut if that was us. Still, it’s them so happy days.
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Get rid of this VAR shit it's runing the game.
Farminio looked onside to me
Fractions, I would say he was very minimally offside just at the point the cross was fired in.
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Must have been Firmino's willy that was offside for their disallowed goal. Hand don't count as you're not allowed score with it.
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11 heroes
1 villain - the twat on the front row of the Trinity in a half and half scarf.
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Must have been Firmino's willy that was offside for their disallowed goal. Hand don't count as you're not allowed score with it.
That's what I mean, fractions...
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I saw them lining up his shoulder with the defender. Guess that’s the bit that was offside
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HT team talk from Dean is crucial here. Klopp will re-jig things and we saw our defending turn to muck immediately after HT v Citeh so we need to come out strong here.
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We’re not at home to Mr Cock Up.
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HT team talk from Dean is crucial here. Klopp will re-jig things and we saw our defending turn to muck immediately after HT v Citeh so we need to come out strong here.
Agree, we need to get closer to them, press more.
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Up to 9th at the moment.
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Let’s get a great 90 min performance in lads, it's been a while. Bloody brill first 45
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I find it strange that Wes continues the arm wiping. At what point do you learn and stop?
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I'm willing to give the whole team a free pass for the rest of the season if they see this one out. I'd bloody love it if we beat them.... LOVE IT!
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Guilbert is the surprise package this season
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I find it strange that Wes continues the arm wiping. At what point do you learn and stop?
The what?
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I find it strange that Wes continues the arm wiping. At what point do you learn and stop?
The what?
Typo, he obviously meant arse wiping.
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Wesley way more involved today - This is what we need to see EVERY game. More of the same please big man.
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Wesley is having a good game. Making himself a real nuisance
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I find it strange that Wes continues the arm wiping. At what point do you learn and stop?
The what?
Typo, he obviously meant arse wiping.
Honestly thought you could say that when throwing arms around... learning every day (like wiping windows)
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I find it strange that Wes continues the arm wiping. At what point do you learn and stop?
Agreed. Poor attitude sometimes.
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Ever since I can remember, we've been shit at keeping possession from throw ins in the opposing half.
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Fucking come on Villa. Great save, Heaton.
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Trez has speed...
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Fuck what a save Heaton
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Come in Villa hold on!
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I swear our 11 look fitter when Wesley is on it. Gives the team a little respite between attacks.
We've hit the hour mark and they look like they have way more energy than recent times.
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Started sitting quite deep now.... Need to push on Villa.
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I feel physically sick.
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Salah off, OxygenChamber on
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As good last ditch defending you will ever see.... Mingels
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Hanging on a bit now.
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Man City 1-1
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I feel physically sick.
This
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I feel physically sick.
This
Yep.
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Why Guilbert off? Injured?
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Win, lose, or draw, I appreciate the effort today.
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Why Guilbert off? Injured?
Yep. Limped off.
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Win, lose, or draw, I appreciate the effort today.
Yes! This team has something
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We've battled our arses off out there. I fucking love to see it.
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I feel physically sick.
This
This.
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We are living very dangerously. How Lallana didn’t score there I have no idea.
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Arse 1-1 Wolves
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Liverpool 73 % possession and 16 shots.
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Good sub. Hot lips for Douglas.... Low key performance from him today.
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Moss starting to give them every little foul.
I feel a bit sick.
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this is made for Milner penalty after 96 mins
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Oh and that's a bad miss.
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I feel physically sick.
This
This.
Me too, I hate this , we really deserve these points
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Our Russian has got a hattrick for Tranmere!
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It's taken Liverpool 75 odd minutes to get on top. Come on you Villa boys!
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Geez, it's like pulling teeth watching this. Hold on Villa.... please! That final whistle can't come soon enough!
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It's taken Liverpool 75 odd minutes to get on top. Come on you Villa boys!
?
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I'm surprised weve lasted this long to be honest.
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Fuck Matty SHOOOOOOOT
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Geez, it's like pulling teeth watching this. Hold on Villa.... please! That final whistle can't come soon enough!
Can't remember a more tense nerve wrecking game... probably got shit memory
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Nooooooo... houls
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If we could have just buried that then.
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Nakamba has been everywhere
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Nakamba has been everywhere
he is something
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Nakamba has been everywhere
he is something
Wauv... he...is...Marvellous
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Come on Villa
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How slow is the clock going?
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On the radio Waddle is saying Wesley is on his knees and needs to be subbed off so we can hold it up.
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How slow is the clock going?
Feels like it's going backwards!
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Thinking of turning tv off... this is not fair for my nerves
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Get kodjia on. Wesley's done .
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Fuck yes Wes... work like that and you have fans
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Agh stream dead
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Jimmy Danger on for Wesley?
Quicker down the channels if we float long balls up there?
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WM are not impressed with Wesley at all.
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Man City winning. Kyle Walker 2-1
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WM are not impressed with Wesley at all.
WM are ******
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Jimmy on
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Engels amazing
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WM are not impressed with Wesley at all.
Wouldn't read too much into that, look at who he plays for. BBC R5 and Waddle seem to like him.
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1-1
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FUCK ME 1-1
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Shite
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Well i've seen this movie often enough to know how it ends.
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Fuck. Shit. ******.
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How many times are we going to drop points from winning positions. Fuck me.
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Inevitable. Absolutely inevitable.
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Take the draw.
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Arseholes ... Everyone...
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kodjia to get the winner on the break
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That little scrotum Robertson. Fuck off.
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We're still doing okay, if we can get a point from this and the fact we have lead for most of the game is a superb result.
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We know what's coming don't we
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One was never going to be enough. Must make sure we get a point now.
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It's the hope that kills.
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Benifits cheats.
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They haven't deserved a point
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It's the hope that kills.
This all day long.
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They haven't deserved a point
They've been all over us.
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It's the hope that kills.
This all day long.
Thirded
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5 mins wtf.
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5 minutes from where? ******.
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Come on Villa just a tad more.
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They haven't deserved a point
Hard to say that when you look at the stats, we definitely deserve a point though.
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It's what they were expecting on sky
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Moss can fuck off with his advantages.
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Diving cheat.
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Mane, gutted
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Fuck right off
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I don't believe it
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You just knew...
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60 secs left
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There you go
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Wankers.
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that was always on the cards
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Don't believe it, seriously don't believe it.
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Bollocks! Fucking Scousers.
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Every fucking time. If it’s not Man U it’s now just about everyone fucking else.
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What’s the point
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Well i've seen this movie often enough to know how it ends.
Fucking such a fucking sickener
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Jammy fucking bastards... i hate it, but knew all game
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Normal service resumes...
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From "looking forward" to MOTD to "don't think I'll bother" in just a few minutes.
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Horrendous and very harsh
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******
why no one on the line????
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Sometimes I really hate football. :-(
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By any sane measure an OK result but fuck me were dumb as shit when it comes to closing out games
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Mane can fuck off. ******
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Wankers
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Naive in every sense of the word. And we have not learned at all. The manager. The players. Just fucking naive.
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Every fcukin time. Gutted.
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gutted
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And my lifetime hate for Liverpool is fuelled even further.
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Fuck and fuck again.
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One day, someday, we will hold on and actually beat one of these fuckers.
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cheating turd shouldn't be on the pitch!
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Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory yet again.
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Very sad you can't close a game down in the last mins, hang on to a lead then lose the game altogether in the last 30 seconds speak volumes.
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so fucking close
and we cant hold out again
gutting . . fucking hate them too
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Where the fuck did 5 mins added on come from? Totally rigged league to sell the brand. I hope Liverpool bottle it as they always do especially after that diving twat gets their winner.
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Home record against Arsenal Man United and Liverpool absolutely shocking. Even leading with five mins to go we still lose. Gutted isn't the word.
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Honestly, fuck football.
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Where the fuck did 5 mins added on come from? Totally rigged league to sell the brand.
Don't be daft.
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Honestly, fuck football.
x2
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Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory yet again.
That's the Villa way to me for most of my supporting life.
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Where the fuck did 5 mins added on come from? Totally rigged league to sell the brand.
Don't be daft.
It feels that way to be honest.