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Title: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: Legion on October 30, 2019, 09:45:12 PM
Job done.
Title: Aston Villa v Wolves Post Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 30, 2019, 09:45:20 PM
Wasn't a great performance but didn't need to be.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: Edvard Remberg on October 30, 2019, 09:46:23 PM
Luiz and the 2CB were good.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: themossman on October 30, 2019, 09:46:54 PM
We looked the part. Shame about the defensive lapses but otherwise we looked better all over the pitch and closed the game out well which is encouraging as it suggests we’re learning and improving at game management.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: timeoutbigbar on October 30, 2019, 09:47:45 PM
Fair bit of build up, non event.  Neither Davis or Kodjia did much to put pressure on Wes for the weekend, especially with the injury.  Luiz MOTM by a distance. 
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 30, 2019, 09:48:31 PM
Wolves offered nothing apart from keeping a good shape, we created most of their chances.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on October 30, 2019, 09:49:06 PM
7,000 short of capacity? Don't think so.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: waynejames on October 30, 2019, 09:50:30 PM
That was an El of a result....
See what I've done there.....?
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: Brend'Watkins on October 30, 2019, 09:52:40 PM
Missed it, stuck on our glorious M6. At least we won and we rested a few for Saturday.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 30, 2019, 09:53:14 PM
Lovely stuff. Well done.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: dave shelley on October 30, 2019, 09:54:43 PM
Well done Villa.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: brontebilly on October 30, 2019, 09:55:37 PM
Player ratings tonight? Anyone at all putting pressure on getting in the team for Liverpool? Luiz, Hourihane, Trez and AEG had the most to gain pre-game you would think.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: themossman on October 30, 2019, 09:57:09 PM
Kodjia looked very good to me. Really up for up it and some good running.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: murfee on October 30, 2019, 10:01:50 PM
It ay fayre tho am it?
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on October 30, 2019, 10:02:31 PM
Usual bullshit being spouted on WM.  Mel Eves Villa first teamers playing only a bit better bla bla bla. We looked like we were in 2nd gear.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: London Villan on October 30, 2019, 10:03:15 PM
AEG should have had a hat-trick.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on October 30, 2019, 10:03:41 PM
Usual bullshit being spouted on WM.  Mel Eves Villa first teamers playing only a bit better bla bla bla. We looked like we were in 2nd gear.
A very bitter loser
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: TonyD on October 30, 2019, 10:04:47 PM
7,000 short of capacity? Don't think so.
A Doug Ellis crowd..
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: myf on October 30, 2019, 10:09:06 PM
looked like a pre season friendly. well in control
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 30, 2019, 10:12:18 PM
I was out and have only looked at post game stats, but sounds like we dominated overall.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: Ads on October 30, 2019, 10:12:29 PM
A comfortable stroll. Bar a minute or two of panic itnwas the easiest game we've had all season.

Crewe offered more.

Poor delivery from the full backs, wingers worked hard, Hourihane anonymous, Lansbury too slow. Dougie was fouled I felt in the build up to their goal.

Passed them to death, bullied them off the ball, centre halves fine. Easy really.

No way was there only 35k on.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 30, 2019, 10:13:22 PM
We did what we needed to do. At no time did we look like losing that tie.

Striker situation now very concerning, though.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on October 30, 2019, 10:14:49 PM
Thought Lansbury was good
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: Ian. on October 30, 2019, 10:15:21 PM
We did what we needed to do. At no time did we look like losing that tie.

Striker situation now very concerning, though.
Yep, but hopefully we’ll get to January and snap one up then.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: Axl Rose on October 30, 2019, 10:15:40 PM
Usual bullshit being spouted on WM.  Mel Eves Villa first teamers playing only a bit better bla bla bla. We looked like we were in 2nd gear.

It was one of the most comfortable victories in recent history.

I think that's put to bed a few myths about gaps, levels and whatnot.

Our squad is ok, will be tested throughout the season, but we were ok. Konsa, Hause and Luiz played well. Trezeguet is non stop and always looking to create.

Taylor should be shipped out at some point, however. Though to be fair, he got forward ok. A liability at times when defending.

Wolves not as good as they think they are, and for their numbers, crap away support. An orange Tamworth.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: danno on October 30, 2019, 10:17:43 PM
Usual bullshit being spouted on WM.  Mel Eves Villa first teamers playing only a bit better bla bla bla. We looked like we were in 2nd gear.

It was one of the most comfortable victories in recent history.

I think that's put to bed a few myths about gaps, levels and whatnot.

Our squad is ok, will be tested throughout the season, but we were ok. Konsa, Hause and Luiz played well. Trezeguet is non stop and always looking to create.

Taylor should be shipped out at some point, however. Though to be fair, he got forward ok. A liability at times when defending.

Wolves not as good as they think they are, and for their numbers, crap away support. An orange Tamworth.

No need for that!  ;D
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: Luke8 on October 30, 2019, 10:18:13 PM
Did what we needed to do. The whole game seemed fairly flat for long portions, possibly due to our controlled dominance and Wolves lack of ambition, interspersed with a couple of moments of quality (and a couple of sloppy mistakes)

Thought Konsa looked like he has the potential to be an excellent player - looked very composed on the ball.

Can see why Smith likes Lansbury and has keep him around, it’s a shame he is made of glass.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: SheffieldVillain on October 30, 2019, 10:24:26 PM
Well in control throughout except the daft goal we gave away. We've got some decent back-up options for a mid-table side. Steer, Konsa, Hause, AEH, Lansbury, Davis, Kodija are all well worth a squad place.

Come January it should definitely be a case of quality over quantity in our recruitment - a striker and a winger in, ideally a young left back too to put pressure on Targett so that Taylor can go. Other than that, it's a good squad.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on October 30, 2019, 10:25:33 PM
No excuse for not winning that given the team Wolves put out but we made very heavy work of it.

Still in the next round with the draw at ridiculous time of 8.45am tomorrow.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 30, 2019, 10:29:19 PM
No excuse for not winning that given the team Wolves put out but we made very heavy work of it.

Still in the next round with the draw at ridiculous time of 8.45am tomorrow.

Yeh, means I have to get up at 4.45am to listen to it live FFS
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: AVH87 on October 30, 2019, 10:32:14 PM
Job done, despite nearly gifting them two equalisers! Thought Konsa looked impressive and Lansbury picked good passes, would have hoped for a bit more from the widemen. Can't believe the draw is not even on TV.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: saunders_heroes on October 30, 2019, 10:37:54 PM
Had the misfortune to listen to WM on the way home. Fuck me it’s a wonder i didn’t slash my wrists listening to Mel Eves drone on, stuttering, hesitating and tripping up on his words to come up with another excuse to why the Wolves lost. It was like a fuckin wake. Jesus!
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: Goldie.7 on October 30, 2019, 10:38:30 PM
After waiting over 15 minutes to actually get in because of incompetent organisation I thought we never got out of fifth gear. We could have easily scored more goals if we cranked up the gears but in the end the bare minimum effort was all that was needed.

One to forget about and fast.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on October 30, 2019, 10:38:55 PM
Had the misfortune to listen to WM on the way home. Fuck me it’s a wonder i didn’t slash my wrists listening to Mel Eves drone on, stuttering, hesitating and tripping up on his words to come up with another excuse to why the Wolves lost. It was like a fuckin wake. Jesus!

He really did sound like an incoherent vagrant.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: saunders_heroes on October 30, 2019, 10:39:04 PM
Basically we played them off the park for 90 minutes and should have thrashed them. Sadly for Wolves we have a far better squad than they do, and their second string is utter shit.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: AVH87 on October 30, 2019, 10:40:18 PM
Just seen on twitter their XI tonight actually cost over £45m as well, it's not our fault they've bought young gambles from abroad to fill their squad.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: andyh on October 30, 2019, 10:40:26 PM
Konsa, Hause and Elmo all played well.
Luiz had a stroll in the park kind of game with acres of space to play in, made it look very easy.

But for me, considering the quality and standard of the opposition, trezeguet and el Ghazi were piss poor.

For Saturday, I’d drop both of them and have Elmo playing in front of Freddie .
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: paul_e on October 30, 2019, 10:40:54 PM
I wouldn't say we made heavy work of it. I reckon most of our team could play another game tomorrow night they had such an easy time of it.

Luiz was class, Konsa and Hause were very good, Elmo did ok and is a good backup, Taylor was poor (other than 1 really good cross which AEG really should've buried). Further forward we didn't quite create enough because they, effectively, had a back 5 and 2 DMs, it meant we had fuck loads of possession but we got crowded out on the edge of their box a lot. Given everything their fans say about how great they are turning up and defending their box for 90 minutes and trying to catch us on the counter doesn't scream tactical masterclass by a team that are vastly above us in quality.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: john e on October 30, 2019, 10:41:01 PM
we well in control for most of the match (95%) because they were so piss poor
rarely have I seen any team offer so little

I could have played in defence and done ok and still Taylor did his best to look shit
Davis did ok in the first half
Douglas MOTM
rest of the mids and forwards - championship standard not good enough
Trez in particular not dangerous enough, no idea actually

if we had of not won that it would have been a disgrace

good job we got a complete new side to play in the league games
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: Bobby Boy on October 30, 2019, 10:43:01 PM
There seemed to be an Exclusion Zone around Douglas Luiz. He had as much time as he wanted. He used it well though. Ran the show.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: CJ on October 30, 2019, 10:52:02 PM
Bit of an anti-climax - bit like a training game of our reserves against theirs, no 'derby' tempo or atmosphere, but job done and that's all that matters.

Great to get the winner just as they were giving it large for their equaliser.  Lansbury should have killed them off with a free header from 5 yards out, and with only 1 in it and 6 minutes injury time (God knows why) it could have cost us. But it didn't and we're in the hat for tomorrow.

Impressed with Konsa and Hause at the back - both self assured, and good to know we've got decent cover to fall back on if needs be.  And we looked much more dangerous with Keinan up top - hopefully the injury won't keep him out too long - looked like hamstring twang to me but hopefully just a twinge.

Bring on Colchester or Oxford at home - this competition could be a passport to Europe

edit Lansbury not Conor with the header
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: QuintonVilla on October 30, 2019, 11:01:01 PM
They made 11 changes, we made 9.
This resulted in them fielding a team we'd never heard of compared to our fairly strong second string.
Thus highlighting our owners am considerably richer than theirs and we've got a much stronger squad depth.

Man Utd at home my prediction for the quarters
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 30, 2019, 11:02:17 PM
Should have won more comfortably, but that'll do. Oxford or Colchester and no fuck ups please, Villa.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: Dazvillain on October 30, 2019, 11:03:06 PM
Any post match news on poor  Keinan?
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on October 30, 2019, 11:04:52 PM
Decided to skip the last 15 minutes to have dinner without a worry in the world we'd come unstuck.
I hope the Wolves fans enjoyed their big day out but hopefully they'll have understood, you can't fake rivalry.

Overall, bitterly disappointed the game was so uncompetitive. And the reason; Wolves were embarrassingly, utter shite.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: LeeB on October 30, 2019, 11:06:51 PM
I doubt we'll have to wash the kit. My biggest concern is that there's enough time between now and Saturday for my seat to be decontaminated.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: olaftab on October 30, 2019, 11:11:43 PM
I doubt we'll have to wash the kit. My biggest concern is that there's enough time between now and Saturday for my seat to be decontaminated.
I am taking wet wipes with me on Saturday to clean mine and dettol spray. I could smell them from Trinity Road upper.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: LeeB on October 30, 2019, 11:13:54 PM
I doubt we'll have to wash the kit. My biggest concern is that there's enough time between now and Saturday for my seat to be decontaminated.
I am taking wet wipes with me on Saturday to clean mine and dettol spray. I could smell them from Trinity Road upper.

Good shout pal.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: olaftab on October 30, 2019, 11:16:49 PM
Fair bit of build up, non event.  Neither Davis or Kodjia did much to put pressure on Wes for the weekend, especially with the injury.  Luiz MOTM by a distance. 
Ahmed ElMohammedy in my opinion was MotM.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on October 30, 2019, 11:17:06 PM
Any post match news on poor  Keinan?

Hamstring according to Dean.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on October 30, 2019, 11:19:26 PM
Basically we played them off the park for 90 minutes and should have thrashed them. Sadly for Wolves we have a far better squad than they do, and their second string is utter shit.


Succinctly put, and about the only things we can really deduce from this evening.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: olaftab on October 30, 2019, 11:20:06 PM
Player ratings tonight? Anyone at all putting pressure on getting in the team for Liverpool? Luiz, Hourihane, Trez and AEG had the most to gain pre-game you would think.
No as opposition was very weak. CB's did ok but never had any pressure.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: brontebilly on October 30, 2019, 11:22:36 PM
Konsa was very poor for their goal, should never have let the forward turn and shoot with his right foot in that position. Arguably two fouls (on Elmo and surely offside) elsewhere by Wolves in the same play, mind.

Not sure how much benefit some of our fringe players could have got from such uncompetitive fare. United at Villa Park next
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: papa lazarou on October 30, 2019, 11:23:00 PM
I thought it was quite amusing when they took off number 77 and replaced him with 56.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on October 30, 2019, 11:26:17 PM
Well, I for one thoroughly enjoyed their repertoire this evening. I loved the eighties, me. Took me right back.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: olaftab on October 30, 2019, 11:27:28 PM
Dean Smith fucked up with the substitution with John McGinn picking up an unnecessary yellow card. There was no need for him to come on when he did.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on October 30, 2019, 11:27:58 PM
Don't know why some moan on El Ghazi especially as he was noticeably tracking back and saved Taylor aswell as coverage for Elmo also slipped the ball in well for a goal.

Biggest problem with Trez is he doesn't impose himself and has lacked finishing off chances as he again could have scored.
Also could do with getting to grips with physicallity of the game.

Agree both could be more apparent in attacking sense however the whoscored.com ratings system have El Ghazi highest rated.

Douglas , I found being the man most in possession of ball perhaps could've made a lot more telling contribution and seemed to stroll although pretty decent on the ball, could have been far more effective as the ratings systems suggests.

El Ghazi 7.85
Lansbury  7.83
Elmo 7.82
Trézéguet 7
Hause 6.99
Davis 6.92
Hourihane 6.85
Konsa 6.61
Taylor 6.39
Steer 6.31
Douglas 5.97

Subs:
Kodjia 6.23
McGinn 6.22



And as for that Fcukin Wesley.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: Kimaster1976 on October 30, 2019, 11:34:27 PM
Just got back from the game, El Ghazi was not our best player, but for his name appearing on the scoresheet I wouldn't have known he was playing.

Douglas the worst.......not a chance.

Hause impressed me, but very disappointed in Hourihane, after starting a few games recently and looking damn good, he had a real chance to impress tonight and be back in the team, but this was the 'couldn't give a shit' Hourihane from the Bruceball days.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on October 30, 2019, 11:35:16 PM
Dean Smith fucked up with the substitution with John McGinn picking up an unnecessary yellow card. There was no need for him to come on when he did.


Maybe, but there was also absolutely no need for McGinn to make that challenge in that manner. Reminiscent of some of his dafter stuff throughout the first half of last season.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on October 30, 2019, 11:39:10 PM
Cão de Água, caralho!
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: kieron on October 30, 2019, 11:40:21 PM
Konsa and Hause, cool as you like.

Lansbury, enjoyed watching him tonight especially as he's game time limited, thought he did well.

Luiz, picked out several passes and indeed did perform, but can be very sloppy at times and prone to an error or three putting us right in the shit.

Trez, end product really needs to start coming together over the coming weeks now, but feel he worked hard.


Neil Taylor - time to go, sunshine. Offers nothing. Ever. Bye. Deano has two players for everyone position.... sorry, no, he only has one left back at the moment and it's not Taylor.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: Luke8 on October 30, 2019, 11:42:32 PM
Dean Smith fucked up with the substitution with John McGinn picking up an unnecessary yellow card. There was no need for him to come on when he did.


Maybe, but there was also absolutely no need for McGinn to make that challenge in that manner. Reminiscent of some of his dafter stuff throughout the first half of last season.

Yeah, I’m not sure you can blame Dean Smith for McGinn making that unnecessary challenge.

Bookings are specific to each competition now though I believe, so not a huge issue.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 30, 2019, 11:43:38 PM
Just got back from the game, El Ghazi was not our best player, but for his name appearing on the scoresheet I wouldn't have known he was playing.

Douglas the worst.......not a chance.

Hause impressed me, but very disappointed in Hourihane, after starting a few games recently and looking damn good, he had a real chance to impress tonight and be back in the team, but this was the 'couldn't give a shit' Hourihane from the Bruceball days.

Well he could have had even more attacking threat and impose himself but give Anwar credit.
He had a talking to from Smith other week and was noticeable in his tracking .
Particular the incident where Netto (before he was just subbed) out pace and out muscles Taylor all the way to penalty area Taylor doing his best to fuck up and El Ghazi has sprinted back also and got his toe on the end of it making a perfect challenge and out for a corner after Netto went past Taylor by this time in the  penalty area.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: DB on October 30, 2019, 11:49:00 PM
Bit of a pre-season friendly about it. Wolves were not too bothered, we did enough to get through. You can see why Lansbury is not starting, very limited & that header towards the end was awful. Davies did well, felt sorry for him hobbling off. Luiz is quality but is prone to the odd error. Trez blew hot and cold. Looking fwd to see who next, Colchester please at home.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: Alex77 on October 30, 2019, 11:52:18 PM
We beat the champions of the world/universe. They offered literally nothing. We have the next game to look forward to.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on October 30, 2019, 11:55:29 PM
Just got back from the game, El Ghazi was not our best player, but for his name appearing on the scoresheet I wouldn't have known he was playing.

Douglas the worst.......not a chance.

Hause impressed me, but very disappointed in Hourihane, after starting a few games recently and looking damn good, he had a real chance to impress tonight and be back in the team, but this was the 'couldn't give a shit' Hourihane from the Bruceball days.

Well he could have had even more attacking threat and impose himself but give Anwar credit.
He had a talking to from Smith other week and was noticeable in his tracking .
Particular the incident where Netto (before he was just subbed) out pace and out muscles Taylor all the way to penalty area Taylor doing his best to fuck up and El Ghazi has sprinted back also and got his toe on the end of it making a perfect challenge and out for a corner after Netto went past Taylor by this time in the  penalty area.

Maybe Deano should switch El Ghazi to be a left back. Love your thinking, Vill I An.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: Bad English on October 30, 2019, 11:59:01 PM
See ya Real Wolverona!
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on October 30, 2019, 11:59:13 PM
I wouldn't say we made heavy work of it. I reckon most of our team could play another game tomorrow night they had such an easy time of it.

Luiz was class, Konsa and Hause were very good, Elmo did ok and is a good backup, Taylor was poor (other than 1 really good cross which AEG really should've buried). Further forward we didn't quite create enough because they, effectively, had a back 5 and 2 DMs, it meant we had fuck loads of possession but we got crowded out on the edge of their box a lot. Given everything their fans say about how great they are turning up and defending their box for 90 minutes and trying to catch us on the counter doesn't scream tactical masterclass by a team that are vastly above us in quality.

Well we were 1 nil up and weren't really creating much and then of course 1-1 happened. Quickly back in front but even then Steer did well one on one.

Surprised at everyone saying this was our easiest win of the season,  we had just 5 shots on target. Norwich was much more convincing.

Not our fault Wolves put a virtual youth team of course (don't think any of that 11 will play us in 11 days time) but thought we were much more comfortable down at Brighton.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: tomd2103 on October 30, 2019, 11:59:38 PM
Bit of a strange game really that definitely had the feel of a reserve fixture at times.  Thought Wolves hardly threatened and on the couple of occasions they did, it was through chances WC gifted them (Douglas losing possession and then Taylor's under hit back pass).

Thought Hause and Konsa were solid, but the rest were a bit too sloppy at times.  With Douglas being the prime example.  He is clearly a talented player and to be fair to him he didn't have much of a pre-season, but he looks far too casual at times. 

On another note, did they not count the away fans in the attendance figure tonight, as I'm not sure how you would have fitted another six to seven thousand in there tonight.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on October 31, 2019, 12:02:43 AM
Dean Smith fucked up with the substitution with John McGinn picking up an unnecessary yellow card. There was no need for him to come on when he did.


Maybe, but there was also absolutely no need for McGinn to make that challenge in that manner. Reminiscent of some of his dafter stuff throughout the first half of last season.

Did a quick check and McGinn is only on 2 yellows so no bother, should stay clear of suspension given they wipe 5 yellows in I think mid December.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: Risso on October 31, 2019, 12:20:35 AM
Just got back, fuck the fucking M6 and the fucking A14.  2 hours to do 45 miles at 10 o'clock at night, absolute madness.

Anyway, the game obviously had a distinctly second string feel to it, but was still enjoyable despite that.  The good thing was that it showed we have good depth to the squad.  Hause and Konsa both did very well and I'd have no worries about either of them slotting in for Mings or Engels should the need arise.

Taylor really is hopeless though, all he ever does is receive the ball, look up, then pass it to whoever is stood furthest away behind him.  I'd rather we ditched him altogether and used Hause as back up left back.  Luiz was a weird one, at times looked a class apart with his passing and ability on the ball, but at others looked a liability with Wolves going straight through him on more than one occasion.  Lansbury looked decent, and has an eye for a pass, but lacks Jack's ability to run with the ball and take people on. 

Elmo looked OK, Hourihane was anonymous, and El Ghazi and Trezeguet were their usual selves.  Davis looked his usual busy, but ultimately non-threatening self.  He isn't the answer and looks like he might be out for a while now anyway.

Should have buried them by far more, but I don't think they'll be too upset about going out.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: john e on October 31, 2019, 01:03:06 AM
pleased with the win
but couldn't help wondering that if we played that same team on Saturday and Liverpool went for it we Could be looking at another Liecester Southampton reverse against us

so I'm not all that convinced that we really have the cover and strength in depth people think we have
but maybe I'm being overly negative

someone on the earlier thread said they loved the League cup and had seen all the finals from the early 60's
I don't go back quite that far but I'm also in the camp of love for this competition and was really looking forward to tonight
But the whole thing felt was a bit flat from both the players and crowd considering it was a local ish Derby

we are through to the quarters, if we get a favourable draw I hope we don't bollocks it all up with a none performance
even Oxford or Colchester will offer far more than Woves did tonight
and the others will kill us if we play that team



Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 31, 2019, 01:09:57 AM
Pretty much every side in Europe would get battered if they fielded their second 11 against Liverpool's first.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: aj2k77 on October 31, 2019, 01:15:52 AM
I get the feeling the the Wolves manager took the easy option and the excuse tonight by fielding the team he did. He knew that he would have had to throw in a fair few first teamers to get a result against our lot tonight and then  it still would have been up in the air. Instead he excused himself and the club by fielding reserves. He and Wolves weren't up for the fight tonight and rightfully got dispatched with minimum fuss by our reserve team. Whatever excuse is ready made for them, it was our reserve team that beat them without breaking a sweat. They might aswell hadn't bothered and stayed in Wolverhampton drinking Bovril for the night to keep warm.



Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: Axl Rose on October 31, 2019, 02:04:25 AM
Player ratings tonight? Anyone at all putting pressure on getting in the team for Liverpool? Luiz, Hourihane, Trez and AEG had the most to gain pre-game you would think.
No as opposition was very weak. CB's did ok but never had any pressure.

It was the most pleasant early morning Villa experience in many a long year.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: Axl Rose on October 31, 2019, 02:06:30 AM
I get the feeling the the Wolves manager took the easy option and the excuse tonight by fielding the team he did. He knew that he would have had to throw in a fair few first teamers to get a result against our lot tonight and then  it still would have been up in the air. Instead he excused himself and the club by fielding reserves. He and Wolves weren't up for the fight tonight and rightfully got dispatched with minimum fuss by our reserve team. Whatever excuse is ready made for them, it was our reserve team that beat them without breaking a sweat. They might aswell hadn't bothered and stayed in Wolverhampton drinking Bovril for the night to keep warm.





They won't like losing to a team full of (their words) championship level players. That's what makes it funnier.

They'll be banging on about beating us in the league in a few weeks, etc. Good luck to them. They're going to fucking well need it in their quest to be bigger than West Brom.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: Axl Rose on October 31, 2019, 03:11:16 AM
Usual bullshit being spouted on WM.  Mel Eves Villa first teamers playing only a bit better bla bla bla. We looked like we were in 2nd gear.

It was one of the most comfortable victories in recent history.

I think that's put to bed a few myths about gaps, levels and whatnot.

Our squad is ok, will be tested throughout the season, but we were ok. Konsa, Hause and Luiz played well. Trezeguet is non stop and always looking to create.

Taylor should be shipped out at some point, however. Though to be fair, he got forward ok. A liability at times when defending.

Wolves not as good as they think they are, and for their numbers, crap away support. An orange Tamworth.

No need for that!  ;D

Haha. Apologies!
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: wittonwarrior on October 31, 2019, 06:07:48 AM
 If i was a wolves fan would be well pissed off with the meek attempt to get through the round.  As for the Villa made heavy weather of beating a team of kids plus an old head in goal.  Onwards and upwards. 
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: GarTomas on October 31, 2019, 06:28:35 AM
Player ratings tonight? Anyone at all putting pressure on getting in the team for Liverpool? Luiz, Hourihane, Trez and AEG had the most to gain pre-game you would think.
No as opposition was very weak. CB's did ok but never had any pressure.


Don't know why some moan on El Ghazi especially as he was noticeably tracking back and saved Taylor aswell as coverage for Elmo also slipped the ball in well for a goal.

Biggest problem with Trez is he doesn't impose himself and has lacked finishing off chances as he again could have scored.
Also could do with getting to grips with physicallity of the game.

Agree both could be more apparent in attacking sense however the whoscored.com ratings system have El Ghazi highest rated.

Douglas , I found being the man most in possession of ball perhaps could've made a lot more telling contribution and seemed to stroll although pretty decent on the ball, could have been far more effective as the ratings systems suggests.

El Ghazi 7.85
Lansbury  7.83
Elmo 7.82
Trézéguet 7
Hause 6.99
Davis 6.92
Hourihane 6.85
Konsa 6.61
Taylor 6.39
Steer 6.31
Douglas 5.97

Subs:
Kodjia 6.23
McGinn 6.22

I don’t even want to think how much you’ve analysed this game to give players marks out of 10 to 2 decimal places.

But whatever system it’s clearly horrific if you have Douglas as the worst.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: Clampy on October 31, 2019, 07:13:12 AM
No, Wolves didn't seem that bothered did they? We should have made it more convincing than it was but it was fairly comfortable. Tresequet looked like he's slowly starting to get to grips with things and I don't think is first goal his too far away. Oh and the ref's added 6 minutes was laughable.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: mr underhill on October 31, 2019, 07:25:16 AM
35k my arse. Why do they underestimate like that?
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: Axl Rose on October 31, 2019, 07:52:33 AM
Player ratings tonight? Anyone at all putting pressure on getting in the team for Liverpool? Luiz, Hourihane, Trez and AEG had the most to gain pre-game you would think.
No as opposition was very weak. CB's did ok but never had any pressure.


Don't know why some moan on El Ghazi especially as he was noticeably tracking back and saved Taylor aswell as coverage for Elmo also slipped the ball in well for a goal.

Biggest problem with Trez is he doesn't impose himself and has lacked finishing off chances as he again could have scored.
Also could do with getting to grips with physicallity of the game.

Agree both could be more apparent in attacking sense however the whoscored.com ratings system have El Ghazi highest rated.

Douglas , I found being the man most in possession of ball perhaps could've made a lot more telling contribution and seemed to stroll although pretty decent on the ball, could have been far more effective as the ratings systems suggests.

El Ghazi 7.85
Lansbury  7.83
Elmo 7.82
Trézéguet 7
Hause 6.99
Davis 6.92
Hourihane 6.85
Konsa 6.61
Taylor 6.39
Steer 6.31
Douglas 5.97

Subs:
Kodjia 6.23
McGinn 6.22

I don’t even want to think how much you’ve analysed this game to give players marks out of 10 to 2 decimal places.

But whatever system it’s clearly horrific if you have Douglas as the worst.

What a rubbish ratings system. Is that taken from a website, Footy?
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: Luke8 on October 31, 2019, 07:56:11 AM
I believe he has taken the numbers from whoscored.com
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: UK Redsox on October 31, 2019, 08:15:03 AM
In a very rare occurrence for me, I shouted out when the 4th Official put up the 6 minutes. Specifically........ "Show us your workings"

Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: themossman on October 31, 2019, 08:31:03 AM
Those stats are mental, as they were for the Brighton game.

They seem to be incredibly skewed by goals and assists which would explain the low points for defenders and excessive scores for payers who had relatively poor games but scored (Targett).
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: manic-road on October 31, 2019, 08:49:15 AM
35k my arse. Why do they underestimate like that?

Looked plenty of empty seats in the Doug Ellis Stand to me.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: West Derby Villan on October 31, 2019, 08:57:01 AM
Comfortable evening, won it without getting out of 2nd gear. I was surprised how young, weak and inexperienced their second string was.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: LeeB on October 31, 2019, 09:27:42 AM
Dean Smith fucked up with the substitution with John McGinn picking up an unnecessary yellow card. There was no need for him to come on when he did.


Maybe, but there was also absolutely no need for McGinn to make that challenge in that manner. Reminiscent of some of his dafter stuff throughout the first half of last season.

That tackle was the highlight of the night for me.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: Risso on October 31, 2019, 09:29:59 AM
Yep it was ace.  Met by a collective wince then massive cheers.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: TheMalandro on October 31, 2019, 09:31:34 AM
In a very rare occurrence for me, I shouted out when the 4th Official put up the 6 minutes. Specifically........ "Show us your workings"




Like it.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: SashasGrandad on October 31, 2019, 09:58:13 AM
Can't see why so much negative comment on here.

We put out a reserve team but still had 6 internationals starting and 2 came off the bench. Apart from 2 errors they never created a chance.

Their fans moaning their team was full go kids - but they have very few reserves to call on. If they get a few injuries some these kids will have to fill in. Their squad is not as deep as ours. That is what is upsetting them the most.

That team we had last night would be very good in the championship. As a team they would not survive in the premiership but they are good enough individually to fill in when our first teamers get injured. It is a strong back up squad, which Wolves don't have.

I'm sure last night's game will have sown a few seeds of doubt in their minds. They can see what Dean Smith is building and know that in the long run we will make progress while their bubble bursts.

Onwards and Upwards.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 31, 2019, 10:03:20 AM
When are we looking at having the official pre match thread for Liverpool will I be sometime this afternoon?
It's the biggest home match since being back in premier league against unbeaten league leaders
I also think it's another great test and it's what being in premier league is all about !
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: manic-road on October 31, 2019, 10:16:34 AM
Fair bit of build up, non event.  Neither Davis or Kodjia did much to put pressure on Wes for the weekend, especially with the injury.  Luiz MOTM by a distance. 
Ahmed ElMohammedy in my opinion was MotM.

I had him as my MotM as well, Ruddy ran him close as he helped Villa during the tie.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: Hookeysmith on October 31, 2019, 10:18:45 AM


Anyway, the game obviously had a distinctly second string feel to it, but was still enjoyable despite that.  The good thing was that it showed we have good depth to the squad.  Hause and Konsa both did very well and I'd have no worries about either of them slotting in for Mings or Engels should the need arise.

Taylor really is hopeless though, all he ever does is receive the ball, look up, then pass it to whoever is stood furthest away behind him.  I'd rather we ditched him altogether and used Hause as back up left back.  Luiz was a weird one, at times looked a class apart with his passing and ability on the ball, but at others looked a liability with Wolves going straight through him on more than one occasion.  Lansbury looked decent, and has an eye for a pass, but lacks Jack's ability to run with the ball and take people on. 

Elmo looked OK, Hourihane was anonymous, and El Ghazi and Trezeguet were their usual selves.  Davis looked his usual busy, but ultimately non-threatening self.  He isn't the answer and looks like he might be out for a while now anyway.

Should have buried them by far more, but I don't think they'll be too upset about going out.

Spot on other than I would add that I am really not seeing anything in Trezeguet to excite or inspire me. Too many times runs into blind alleys and decision making is very poor.
El Ghazi flatters to deceive at times but does have some goals and assists to his name this year - Trez has provided neither for around the same amount of game time.
I will not write him off but just not feeling he will come good at the moment.
Davis has some decent attributes but I bet if you looked at the "hot spot" gadget the analysts sometimes use then I would imagine single figures would be the amount of touches inside the box at best.
Lansbury - assists for both goal, the 1st a class bit of vision and the 2nd something obviously worked out on the training pitch.
Other than that all our dead ball deliveries were woeful again.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: Legion on October 31, 2019, 10:31:14 AM
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: olaftab on October 31, 2019, 10:45:08 AM
Dean Smith fucked up with the substitution with John McGinn picking up an unnecessary yellow card. There was no need for him to come on when he did.


Maybe, but there was also absolutely no need for McGinn to make that challenge in that manner. Reminiscent of some of his dafter stuff throughout the first half of last season.

That tackle was the highlight of the night for me.
Lee I would have liked you to have worded that as: His tackle was the highlight of the night for me. 😊
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: olaftab on October 31, 2019, 10:46:01 AM
Risso and Hooky have summed up the game I watched last night.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: ktvillan on October 31, 2019, 11:05:56 AM
We exerted ourselves as much as we needed to and no more.  I thought Taylor was ok apart form almost gifting them a goal, which is no worse than Luiz did. Still struggling to see what Trezeguet offers, still zero goals and zero assists - although to be fair it was his cross that Lansbury should have buried. He was fortunate not to be yellow carded for a rather pathetic dive as well.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: wittonwarrior on October 31, 2019, 11:16:56 AM
Trez has no bottle, no appetite for physical contact, thought that wa Taylor’s best game in ages. Still concerned. How difficult we made last night for ourselves
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: AV82EC on October 31, 2019, 11:25:44 AM
Pretty standard win for the team without needing to get out if 2nd gear. Wolves came to park the bus in a Mourinhoesque masterclass and utterly failed. That said we weren't perfect but did enough.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: Damo70 on October 31, 2019, 11:39:58 AM
I am not Lansbury's biggest fan but I though he played well last night along with his other appearances in the the cup this season. I had a music teacher at school called Lansbury and he was an absolute mentallist.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on October 31, 2019, 11:53:19 AM
Trez needs some bloody power in his feet..  such  a weak shot on him
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: Edvard Remberg on October 31, 2019, 12:04:12 PM

Aaand the first i hear Jack say is "Louise", as mentioned on the thread last night.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: Nelly on October 31, 2019, 01:29:07 PM
Dominant from us against a poor Wolves second/third string. Grateful we won.

I was disappointed in Davis, but I admit he had no service all game really. We had a lot of possession but didn't really create too much. But that's to be expected when they have everyone behind the ball. Taylor teases by getting forwards but inevitably his passes seem unconvincing and not quite forward-thinking enough. For me it was frustrating to watch - against a team he could have potentially done some damage against.

Luiz, Konza and Hause were excellent and it was a joy to watch them pass it around and build for another move forwards. Great one-on-one save from Steer at one point when it was 2-1 too.

We won, can't ask for more than that really! Up the Villa!
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: West Derby Villan on October 31, 2019, 11:06:42 PM
Dominant from us against a poor Wolves second/third string. Grateful we won.

I was disappointed in Davis, but I admit he had no service all game really. We had a lot of possession but didn't really create too much. But that's to be expected when they have everyone behind the ball. Taylor teases by getting forwards but inevitably his passes seem unconvincing and not quite forward-thinking enough. For me it was frustrating to watch - against a team he could have potentially done some damage against.

Luiz, Konza and Hause were excellent and it was a joy to watch them pass it around and build for another move forwards. Great one-on-one save from Steer at one point when it was 2-1 too.

We won, can't ask for more than that really! Up the Villa!

I agree with this, Villa cubs beat Wolves pups without getting out of second gear
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Wolverhampton Wanderers League Cup Post-Match Thread
Post by: OCD on November 01, 2019, 11:55:09 AM
Nice to win a game so easily and being able to step up a gear when they equalised.
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