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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Toronto Villa on October 27, 2019, 07:43:38 PM
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Chance to play a few squad players and put a tired Real side to the sword in front of a packed Villa Park
3-1 Villa
Davis, Hourihane and McGinn
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Boring club in a pointless City that have developed a huge hard on over us. The reincarnation of 90's Coventry City.
No idea what kind of team we or they will put out, would like to go as far as possible in this competition so hopefully a straight forward win.
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Boring club in a pointless City that have developed a huge hard on over us. The reincarnation of 90's Coventry City.
No idea what kind of team we or they will put out, would like to go as far as possible in this competition so hopefully a straight forward win.
2-0, FTF. UTV.
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D 1-1.
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Really hoping for a win here. I guess it will be our reserves vs theirs, hopefully ours are better. Goal for Keinan would be a bonus.
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D 1-1.
And then ...
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D 1-1.
And then ...
Villa to win 33-32 on penalties.
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It seems forever since we had a League Cup match at home, which is something to do with the fact that it was almost as long since we won one anywhere until this season. Now we’ve been blessed with an impending visit from the footballing Gods and we should be grateful. Wolves are on a mission to dominate world football until the end of time and they probably won’t bother sending much of a team for this one, although there’s bound to be at least ten thousand of them dotted around the ground. There always is.
No matter what team they put out we’ll be good enough to beat them, and beat them we will.
Things newfooty fans don’t know – As much about Wolves until three years ago as their supporters do, even if none of them have missed a match since 1975.
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2-1 Konza and El Gazi
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I'm expecting a full blown Gold and black invasion and a frighteningly white hot atmosphere, the likes of which have not been seen since Juventus in 1983.
We are blessed indeed to receive such illustrious, trail blazing opponents.
2-0 to Villa with the Wolves fans insisting that they then have "bigger fish to fry" and other such nonsense.
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Us 1-0 Them
Our much maligned young foreign striker will score a screamer in the final.
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I think given how their European campaign is seemingly knackering them out, I don't expect them to take this too seriously. 3-0 to us, Davis, Davis and Davis.
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6 1
adama for them
lansbury 2
el ghazi
davis
elmo
houriane
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2-2, penalties, we win hopefully, home some time after 11.30pm
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hope we win, work with 4 Wolves fans, they will take the piss big style if they win.
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I would change the team around for this, can’t see Wolves playing many first team players.
Steer
Taylor
Elmo
Hause
Konsa
Lansbury
Hourihane
El Ghazi
Trezeguet
Kodjia
Davis
Have Lansbury and Hourihane in the centre of midfield and then Davis as a target man, let Trez/JK/AEG play across the front and mix it up a bit.
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I would change the team around for this, can’t see Wolves playing many first team players.
Steer
Taylor
Elmo
Hause
Konsa
Lansbury
Hourihane
El Ghazi
Trezeguet
Kodjia
Davis
Have Lansbury and Hourihane in the centre of midfield and then Davis as a target man, let Trez/JK/AEG play across the front and mix it up a bit.
i agree- they’ll probably do similar. I do want us to win a trophy, but I reckon our squad players have an even chance against theirs so hope we put a strong fringe first team out. Last time I went to Villa v Wolves was the season they came up around 2003 or 4 was it? Coppers all along church rd and hardly a wolves fan in site. Massive waste of resources.
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I reckon 3-1 Villa win.
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We should be fired up for this. Whether that equates to a win or not, I'm not sure.
Play as full strength as possible and go for the cup itself.
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I would go with;
Steer
Targett
Konsa
Engels
Guilbert
Nkamba
Douglas
Hourihane
Trezuguet
Davis
El Ghazi
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I would go with;
Steer
Targett
Konsa
Engels
Guilbert
Nkamba
Douglas
Hourihane
Trezuguet
Davis
El Ghazi
Yep, looks good to me.
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No Kodjia?
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No Kodjia?
Oh ar, forgot about the Kodj.
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I'd give Kodjia a start in place of Trezeguet, he couldn't be any less effective. Maybe give himself an equally unfitting nickname like 'Ronaldo'.
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I'd give Kodjia a start in place of Trezeguet, he couldn't be any less effective. Maybe give himself an equally unfitting nickname like 'Ronaldo'.
'Penrice'
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Is it straight to penalties or is there extra time now?
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Was hoping that we'd be excused the pollutant that is VAR and could enjoy a match breathing clean fresh air...but no, VAR applies in the EFL Cup too, I believe.
Wolves to be awarded 2 penalties for non-existent fouls awarded by VAR and Villa fans to spontaneously combust en masse.
Only for Villa to win on penalties in a stadium empty bar 5000 weeping Wolves.
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Is it straight to penalties or is there extra time now?
No extra time
Article 14.4 of the Carabao Cup’s rulebook states: “In the event of the scores being level at the end of ninety minutes’ play in Rounds One, Two, Three, Four and Five no extra time shall be played, and the winners shall be determined by the taking of kicks from the penalty mark in accordance with procedures as approved by IFAB.”
The semi-finals will also follow the same format but the Carabao Cup final will observe a period of extra-time should the Wembley showpiece end in a draw.
Article 14.5 reads: “In the Semi-Final ties, if the aggregate score is level at the end of the second game no extra time shall be played and the tie shall be decided by the taking of kicks from the penalty mark in accordance with procedures as approved by IFAB.
“If the score is level at the end of ninety minutes in the Final Tie an extra half hour shall be played and if the score be still level at the end of extra time the winners of the Competition shall be determined by the taking of kicks from the penalty mark in accordance with procedures as approved by IFAB.”
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Interesting to see what sort of team Dean will put out. Pretty much changed the whole team every cup game so far and there are players that he will want to give minutes to/keep happy. However, a victory gets us a quarter final place, with a two in seven chance of drawing a team in league one or two, and keeps the winning mentality in the middle of a tricky run of league games.
I suspect he will still probably change the majority of the team while keeping the bench quite strong.
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I would go with;
Steer
Targett
Konsa
Engels
Guilbert
Nkamba
Douglas
Hourihane
Trezuguet
Davis
El Ghazi
Interesting you'd take out Mings rather than Engels? Would keep Mings in as Jimenez is good in the air, would give Bjorn a breather instead.
Maybe give Hause a game aswell as he'll know their team better and Targett might pull up with all the games he's playing.
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Kodjia will be starting.
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Kodjia will be starting.
Not even on bench on sat though
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Kodjia had a nightmare u'23 game the other night and was taken off after 70mins. With Dean Smith watching. Bench at very best for Kodjia in this one.
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D 1-1.
And then ...
Villa to win 33-32 on penalties.
May as well play Extra Time.
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I would go with;
Steer
Targett
Konsa
Engels
Guilbert
Nkamba
Douglas
Hourihane
Trezuguet
Davis
El Ghazi
Interesting you'd take out Mings rather than Engels? Would keep Mings in as Jimenez is good in the air, would give Bjorn a breather instead.
Maybe give Hause a game aswell as he'll know their team better and Targett might pull up with all the games he's playing.
I think Dean quite likes the right foot/left foot combination at centre back so imagine that both Hause and Konsa will come in there. Imagine he will give Taylor a game as well seeing as you could make a case that he didn’t do much wrong before he was dropped.
I actually think he is quite likely to change the whole back five. And I’m not sure Jimenez will start for them will he?
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Real chance of getting into Europe in this cup. Play full strength until a couple of goals up - then sub best players.
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McGinn definitely needs a break, I'd hope Grealish and him are on the bench anyway. Maybe try Konsa next to Mings, Engels has gone off the boil a bit and hopefully Konsa could put him under pressure .
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Elmo, Konsa, Mings, Hause
------Luiz, Hourihane
Trez, Lansbury, AEG
--------------Davis
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Kodjia will be starting.
on the wing I imagine Leeg in support of Davis up top. I haven't been impressed by Trez really though I accept it's still very early. But AEG or Trez on the right and Jimmy on the left wouldn't be the worst set up
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0-2. Messi and Suarez for them.
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I'd like us to be full strength, batter them, get that winning feeling again and maybe go on to win this cup.
Doubt we will though.
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Nigel Sims
Bernie Gallagher
Fred Turnbull
Oscar Arce
Wilfred Bouma
Charlie Athersmith
Gustavo Bartelt
Tommy Craig
Warren Aspinall
Harry Hampton
Pongo
That should see off the yellow and black fiends eleventy - two
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Think Smiths more likely to experiment with defence than midfield, but still think he’ll keep Guilbert in to try and counteract pace of Traore who I think will play for them. Also think he’ll play one of McGinn or Grealish (if fit). Smiths said before about treating cups with respect, so I think given that & local derby element, it’ll be strong team despite Liverpool round the corner. Probs way off but I’d guess;
Steer
Guilbert
Targett
Mings
Konsa
Luiz
Hourihane
Trezequet
Davies
McGinn
El Ghazi
I wouldn’t be surprised if we don’t see Kodjia much of at all before Xmas and think he’ll be gone in January.
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Kodjia will be starting.
on the wing I imagine Leeg in support of Davis up top. I haven't been impressed by Trez really though I accept it's still very early. But AEG or Trez on the right and Jimmy on the left wouldn't be the worst set up
Not in the starting line-up for the U23s this evening.
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Kodjia will be starting.
Great, it’s been ages.
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We'll beat them.
PS Can we not call it the 'EFL Cup' please. This is not Soccer AM. It's the League Cup. Our cup. Let's not fuck with that.
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Nigel Sims
Bernie Gallagher
Fred Turnbull
Oscar Arce
Wilfred Bouma
Charlie Athersmith
Gustavo Bartelt
Tommy Craig
Warren Aspinall
Harry Hampton
Pongo
That should see off the yellow and black fiends eleventy - two
If we have Bernie Gallagher we don't need the rest.
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hope we win, work with 4 Wolves fans, they will take the piss big style if they win.
Can't you keep them in their cell?
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hope we win, work with 4 Wolves fans, they will take the piss big style if they win.
Can't you keep them in their cell?
Nah, You have to let them slop out occasionally ;)
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Can we not call it the 'EFL Cup' please.
Agreed. It's an insult to Carabao.
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there’s a good case to put as strong a team out against Wolves tomorrow and try and make it through to the quarterfinals because no matter what team we play against Liverpool we’re most probably going to lose it anyway
I know that’s ‘not the spirit’ but it is the reality
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Davis to start and score 2. We win 3-1.
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I would go with;
Steer
Targett
Konsa
Engels
Guilbert
Nkamba
Douglas
Hourihane
Trezuguet
Davis
El Ghazi
Interesting you'd take out Mings rather than Engels? Would keep Mings in as Jimenez is good in the air, would give Bjorn a breather instead.
Maybe give Hause a game aswell as he'll know their team better and Targett might pull up with all the games he's playing.
I think Dean quite likes the right foot/left foot combination at centre back so imagine that both Hause and Konsa will come in there. Imagine he will give Taylor a game as well seeing as you could make a case that he didn’t do much wrong before he was dropped.
I actually think he is quite likely to change the whole back five. And I’m not sure Jimenez will start for them will he?
I actually think Wolves will go pretty strong for this.
Their core squad is only about 20 players and I really can't see them playing a bunch of kids like Brighton did in the last round, their fans would be raging.
Looking at their last round at home to Reading which was much easier game they still started Doherty, Bennett, Vinagre (some chips with that please), Ruben Neves, Gibbs-White and Cutrone of their core players. Moutinho and Coady were on the bench.
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They're playing a number of kids apparently.
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#levels
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This is from the Express and Star:
Told it's set to be a much-changed team at Villa Park tomorrow night, Taylor Perry and Benny Ashley-Seal among the youngsters who could start. Arsenal away on Saturday and the Carabao is 4th on the priority list.
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https://www.wolvesforum.co.uk/showthread.php?35803-Aston-Villa-(A)-30-10-Build-up-and-match-day-thread
Mixed views here. One even dared to suggest we had a deeper squad than they do. I imagine that's a lifetime ban for him now!
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This is from the Express and Star:
Told it's set to be a much-changed team at Villa Park tomorrow night, Taylor Perry and Benny Ashley-Seal among the youngsters who could start. Arsenal away on Saturday and the Carabao is 4th on the priority list.
Should be a comfortable night then like the last round if that happens.
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This is from the Express and Star:
Told it's set to be a much-changed team at Villa Park tomorrow night, Taylor Perry and Benny Ashley-Seal among the youngsters who could start. Arsenal away on Saturday and the Carabao is 4th on the priority list.
Should be a comfortable night then like the last round if that happens.
Let’s hope so, then a jammy qtr final draw against one of the minnows getting through and you never know.
I love the League Cup and have been so disappointed with not taking it seriously since the Bradford debacle.
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I actually think Wolves will go pretty strong for this.
Their core squad is only about 20 players and I really can't see them playing a bunch of kids like Brighton did in the last round, their fans would be raging.
Looking at their last round at home to Reading which was much easier game they still started Doherty, Bennett, Vinagre (some chips with that please), Ruben Neves, Gibbs-White and Cutrone of their core players. Moutinho and Coady were on the bench.
Maybe. I was just thinking it’s their third away game in a row (out of four) and it’s probably their lowest priority competition - I reckon Nuno would want to do well in the Europa.
Fair point that their squad isn’t the biggest, but I reckon their is a reasonable chance that certainly their key players will not be starting. I get the local derby element but I think managers obviously have to look at the bigger picture beyond that.
Anyway, more important what Smith does I think. Feel that he thinks it’s a good way of getting game time to the squad players (keep them happy and fit for if/when they are needed), but wonder if we are at the stage when he might stage to go slightly stronger as they is a reasonable chance of going all the way.
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I really want us to beat these to put them back in there box with a win.
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Hey Leeg.....any word on whether Cam will be on the bench ?
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This is from the Express and Star:
Told it's set to be a much-changed team at Villa Park tomorrow night, Taylor Perry and Benny Ashley-Seal among the youngsters who could start. Arsenal away on Saturday and the Carabao is 4th on the priority list.
Should be a comfortable night then like the last round if that happens.
Let’s hope so, then a jammy qtr final draw against one of the minnows getting through and you never know.
I love the League Cup and have been so disappointed with not taking it seriously since the Bradford debacle.
This seems to get trotted out all the time. When have we not treated it seriously? Sure we have made the odd change, but we have never played the kids, and when playing teams in our division we have gone with a strong side each time. The reason we haven't done well is because we've been shite, and often because our opponents have played well, not because we haven't been arsed.
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This is from the Express and Star:
Told it's set to be a much-changed team at Villa Park tomorrow night, Taylor Perry and Benny Ashley-Seal among the youngsters who could start. Arsenal away on Saturday and the Carabao is 4th on the priority list.
Should be a comfortable night then like the last round if that happens.
Let’s hope so, then a jammy qtr final draw against one of the minnows getting through and you never know.
I love the League Cup and have been so disappointed with not taking it seriously since the Bradford debacle.
This seems to get trotted out all the time. When have we not treated it seriously? Sure we have made the odd change, but we have never played the kids, and when playing teams in our division we have gone with a strong side each time. The reason we haven't done well is because we've been shite, and often because our opponents have played well, not because we haven't been arsed.
My own perception is we haven’t treated it seriously in the last 4-5 seasons with respectively avoiding relegation and trying to get promoted taking priority. You’re right about us being shite though......
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anyone know if tickets are still available?
Cant make head nor tail of AVFC.co.uk
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We're a bit in the middle, we don't tend to completely disregard it by fielding an u23 side, but we don't take it completely seriously either as shown by the number of players that make pretty much their only starts/appearances of the season for us in the LC.
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anyone know if tickets are still available?
Cant make head nor tail of AVFC.co.uk
There are around 250 still on sale, just signed in, not sure if who is eligible to buy though. I’m a claret member and could so not sure on general sale
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anyone know if tickets are still available?
Cant make head nor tail of AVFC.co.uk
There are around 250 still on sale, just signed in, not sure if who is eligible to buy though. I’m a claret member and could so not sure on general sale
Just read on twitter on sale to members only as that’s the group where they originally sold out to
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Hey Leeg.....any word on whether Cam will be on the bench ?
He played (and scored) last night so I doubt it, unfortunately. Kodjia is preferred to him.
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anyone know if tickets are still available?
Cant make head nor tail of AVFC.co.uk
There are around 250 still on sale, just signed in, not sure if who is eligible to buy though. I’m a claret member and could so not sure on general sale
It was sold out last week. Where have these 250 all appeared from at the same time the day before the game?
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This is from the Express and Star:
Told it's set to be a much-changed team at Villa Park tomorrow night, Taylor Perry and Benny Ashley-Seal among the youngsters who could start. Arsenal away on Saturday and the Carabao is 4th on the priority list.
Should be a comfortable night then like the last round if that happens.
Let’s hope so, then a jammy qtr final draw against one of the minnows getting through and you never know.
I love the League Cup and have been so disappointed with not taking it seriously since the Bradford debacle.
This seems to get trotted out all the time. When have we not treated it seriously? Sure we have made the odd change, but we have never played the kids, and when playing teams in our division we have gone with a strong side each time. The reason we haven't done well is because we've been shite, and often because our opponents have played well, not because we haven't been arsed.
My own perception is we haven’t treated it seriously in the last 4-5 seasons with respectively avoiding relegation and trying to get promoted taking priority. You’re right about us being shite though......
I've always loved the League Cup and managed to get to every final we have been in since 1963. I always used to prioritise Cup games over league games if time or money was restricted. Last time we played Wolves in this competition was 1996 in the quarter final. In front of a packed Villa Park we won 1-0 through a Tommy Johnson goal. I remember it as a tight, tense game. That fabulous Brian Little side went on to win the cup in a memorable day at Wembley, lost to Liverpool in the FA Cup semi final and finished fourth in the Premier League.
How times have changed! Some managers can barely conceal their relief when they get knocked out, players know it's a chance for the reserves to have a go and supporters have to be seduced by cut price tickets. Even then the so-called big clubs have a near monopoly on the trophy.
Modern football really does have its downside.
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anyone know if tickets are still available?
Cant make head nor tail of AVFC.co.uk
There are around 250 still on sale, just signed in, not sure if who is eligible to buy though. I’m a claret member and could so not sure on general sale
It was sold out last week. Where have these 250 all appeared from at the same time the day before the game?
Returns. On sale to members.
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Play the strongest side we can. Quarter final spot up for grabs. Hope they put out a bunch of kids. Chance to progress, make money, build the excitement.
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Our record against them in the LC is W4 D1 L0. 3-2 and 1-2 wins in the 81/82 second round, 2-1 and 1-1 in the 89/90 second round, and 1-0 in the 95/96 QF.
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Haven't been to a home LC game since Semi Final 2nd leg vs QPR in '77. I was on the Witton end that night, and it was packed. One of my favourite ever Villa line ups. 2-2 and a replay at Highbury the week after. I'll go for 2-2 and a win on pens this time.
UTV
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A good atmosphere and a good win I fancy us for here. UTV
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This is from the Express and Star:
Told it's set to be a much-changed team at Villa Park tomorrow night, Taylor Perry and Benny Ashley-Seal among the youngsters who could start. Arsenal away on Saturday and the Carabao is 4th on the priority list.
Should be a comfortable night then like the last round if that happens.
Let’s hope so, then a jammy qtr final draw against one of the minnows getting through and you never know.
I love the League Cup and have been so disappointed with not taking it seriously since the Bradford debacle.
This seems to get trotted out all the time. When have we not treated it seriously? Sure we have made the odd change, but we have never played the kids, and when playing teams in our division we have gone with a strong side each time. The reason we haven't done well is because we've been shite, and often because our opponents have played well, not because we haven't been arsed.
My own perception is we haven’t treated it seriously in the last 4-5 seasons with respectively avoiding relegation and trying to get promoted taking priority. You’re right about us being shite though......
I've always loved the League Cup and managed to get to every final we have been in since 1963. I always used to prioritise Cup games over league games if time or money was restricted. Last time we played Wolves in this competition was 1996 in the quarter final. In front of a packed Villa Park we won 1-0 through a Tommy Johnson goal. I remember it as a tight, tense game. That fabulous Brian Little side went on to win the cup in a memorable day at Wembley, lost to Liverpool in the FA Cup semi final and finished fourth in the Premier League.
How times have changed! Some managers can barely conceal their relief when they get knocked out, players know it's a chance for the reserves to have a go and supporters have to be seduced by cut price tickets. Even then the so-called big clubs have a near monopoly on the trophy.
Modern football really does have its downside.
Went to that 97 LCF you mentioned and also the FAC semi at mould Trafford. The only time my bonfire has been pissed on more, was losing to Chelsea in the 2000 final (mainly because it was lit in the old Wembley toilets). Robbie fuckin Fowler hatrick in 20 mins was it? Devastated!! The LCF against Leeds was magic. My Wembley finals record: FAC 0 - LC 2. Just beat Wolves anyway Villa!
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Come on the Villa boys! Out-score, out-play and out-sing the dog heads please!
We need to keep the confidence going at home and a run in any cup competition is always good.
UTV!
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Obsessed with the Villa, we know what you are
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My thoughts are that our strength in depth is greater than theirs and we have one thing we haven’t had for years-competition for places. If (as he surely will) Dean makes wholesale changes then i expect those who play to be busting a gut to impress. Therefore i take us to edge it-just. 1-0
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There are currently 6 Villa threads on their main forum.
Six
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Smith confirming that it won’t be the strongest team (or at least not the same as the weekend)
"I will look to see how the lads have recovered from the Man City game.
“There are players who will need to play against Wolves because it's a big week playing Man City, Wolves and then Liverpool.
"The lads like Conor who didn't play at the weekend will play. Keinan will play. So we'll go with a few changes that's for sure.”
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Hourihane has started majority of games in last five weeks so him coming back in isn't a weak selection. I completely agree with Davis starting, time to give him a shot from the start and see how he does. If he does well I can see him staying in for Liverpool game. Think Konsa will also start.
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Fingers in too many pies for them this year, and their league form is suffering as a result, this is a match they wouldn't care too much about losing if they weren't playing the Villa. We spanked them last time out and that'll probably sill rankle. However they will rest more players than us and I think 2-1 in normal time would be a good result.
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it's important we win tonight because a loss against a near neighbor in a tense Derby followed by a highly expected loss against Liverpool will make us all feel a bit sad
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Are the usual access to VP restrictions in play for tonight as with Blues and Albion ?
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Not heard about any.
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Any win to silence those gobby, self important twats will do me.
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No VAR tonight, woooo.
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Why not? I thought it applied to all Premier League clubs.
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https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-wolves-carabao-cup-17170538
"As for VAR, the EFL has confirmed that it won't be in use for tonight's clash at Villa Park. It was trialled in the Carabao Cup last season but, this year, has been shelved. Conversations are ongoing whether or not to introduce the system for the semi-final stage."
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Thank you.
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Win please Villa, I'll go 2-0.
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Game on TV anywhere?
Edit: Ignore - yes it is. (wasn't on the schedule last night) - ViaPlay also shows it in the nordics.
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Game on TV anywhere?
Edit: Ignore - yes it is. (wasn't on the schedule last night) - ViaPlay also shows it in the nordics.
is it red button only on TV ?
wont work on my laptop at work then :(
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Game on TV anywhere?
Edit: Ignore - yes it is. (wasn't on the schedule last night) - ViaPlay also shows it in the nordics.
is it red button only on TV ?
wont work on my laptop at work then :(
I do not get Sky (which I guess is the red-button thing) - Viaplay I think is only available in Denmark/norway/sweden.
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I thought SKY were showing Liverpool v Arsenal and Chelsea v Manure with no other red button options?
A win tonight would be good for our confidence but as a newly promoted club I am far more interested in our league results.
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Aston Villa 2 - WWWWW 1 AET
No doubt we'll all be complaining that there was no VAR tonight as a WWWWW player will dive to win a penalty.
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Why not? I thought it applied to all Premier League clubs.
No VAR in the Cowabunga cup
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I'm in the Wellington listening to two Wolves fans talking about getting to Witton like it's the Great Trek.
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Will hesgoal be doing the decent thing tonight?
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It's now listed.
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I'm in the Wellington listening to two Wolves fans talking about getting to Witton like it's the Great Trek.
It probably was the way the traffic is these days, it's bloody murder.
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3-1 Villa. FTF eh!
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Well I was sort of right about Kodjia. A little.
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It's now listed.
Fantastic.
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I'm in the Wellington listening to two Wolves fans talking about getting to Witton like it's the Great Trek.
This made me think of a daydream of mine I’ll share here.
Come the revolution or Villa winning the League, whichever happens first, there will be Villa luxury trams and trains, ski lifts, gondolas, monorails, airships and dedicated Lear jets for the faithful, all** landing in the Car Park behind the Sir Dean Smith (north) Stand, incorporating the 5*hotel, Michelin star sausage and vegan cafe, banging music/ theatre/ dance/ comedy venue and reading room.
**Including the trains. They’ll be on the new branch lines from Witton/Aston.