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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: kippaxvilla2 on October 26, 2019, 02:21:39 PM
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Not too bad. I’d have taken that before the game. Pity we gave them the game and VAR fcuked us again.
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Did okay first half, not so much in the second.
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As a side we are still getting accustomed to this level and the fact that if we give the ball away as much as we do to sides not even if Man City’s quality we will get punished. We saw that against Spurs, Arsenal and of course now today. We’ve done better of late but it’s something that will come with experience and frankly better players. A number of our players will over the course of the season eliminate themselves from future Villa PL squads. That’s for them to prove in the next number of months that they can survive and adapt at this level. Today and next week are massive tests for any side let alone one promoted in the manner we came up. We have to accept, learn and move on.
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Someone from the FA is going to have to explain that second goal. Dean seemed fed up with VAR in his post game and mid week interviews last week, I’d love to hear his thoughts again.
First half was fine, second half was uphill.
I’m not disappointed but I am sick and tired of an inconsistent review process that was instilled to get decisions right.
Wesley cannot start games anymore, he hasn’t earned it. He can have the last 15 minutes of a match when the CBs are tired.
Without Conor or AEG on the pitch our set piece service is really poor. We need to figure that out.
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Decent first half, it was always going to be hard second half. Poor from Mings for the first, then VAR robbed us yet again. After that we were never going to pull it back.
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Our second half’s are often poor against good sides. Not an unexpected result but disappointing from Mings and Heaton.
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It’s history now. Onto next week.
Oh, and fuck VAR.
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I note with interest that according to BBC Stats, we committed 5 fouls compared to Citeh's 10.
Quite remarkable, as Alan Partridge or David Coleman might have intoned.
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As a newly promoted side I am not going to lose any sleep about losing 3-0 to a team that are capable of scoring twice that amount against teams in both the Premier League and the Champions league.
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First half we looked composed, balanced, we could have hurt them had we taken the few chances we had, needed more pace up front, first half is what we take forward.
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Didn’t expect to get anything from today. On the plus side, Citeh don’t lose ground to Liverpool in title race I guess?
Points of note...
- VAR is bollocks
- Love Mings, but (so far), he’s no McGrath
- Heaton needs to start showing what he offers over Steer
- Keinan HAS to start against the scousers
Our best player today - Freddie Guilbert imo
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Good half and stayed with them longer than I expected. Wesley needs replacing in Jan.
VAR is ruining the game.
Glad I tripled up on citeh up in FPL.
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Not too bad. I’d have taken that before the game. Pity we gave them the game and VAR fcuked us again.
Deja fucking vu
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First half very good. Second half sloppy.
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We were in the game and then gave them a goal.
Not sure what Heaton gives us above Steer.
Ming’s has goT a few mistakes in him.
Luis ok but looks a bit rusty. Trez does some good things and some shit ones.
SJM looked off the pace today.
Marvelous steady.
Jack was all over the place and was wound up.
Full backs did ok.
Wesley pointless.
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That first goal was the killer, keep it at 0-0 and the longer it went on maybe already being so far behind Liverpool could have given them the jitters, instead we concede after 22 seconds and it was a Sunday league special goal.
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Not too bad. I’d have taken that before the game. Pity we gave them the game and VAR fcuked us again.
Deja fucking vu
DeVAR vu
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Davis did more in his cameo than Wesley all game. We tire on the second half because we have to do a lot more chasing and that's because w give the ball away too often.
The effort was there but they were as expected far too good, hope grealish was just knackered when he went off we can't afford to lose him for a few games.
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Could have been worse but "we go again"...
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Did better than I expected to be honest - no shame for a newly promoted team coming up against (probably) the most expensively assembled PL champions and losing 3-0. They were obviously by far the better team. We did well first half but that early second half goal knocked the stuffing out of us and we were a bit at sixes and sevens at times for the rest of the game. Another contentious VAR decision against us didn't help and we had no luck at the other end even for a consolation goal and a more respectable scoreline. Certainly hasn't spoiled my weekend though
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Not sure it was a good idea to drop Conor and AEG - why change a winning team that thrashed Norwich and beat Brighton?
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Was probably always gonna be this result, just a shame to concede two soft goals at the beginning. First half was encouraging for next week.
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Their second https://twitter.com/AstonVilla_Ar10/status/1188077993282932736
"Are you claiming that goal?"
"No, David said he touched it.."
Kevin de Bruyne has been awarded City's second but the Belgian is happy to share the goals round the team.
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As good as Mings is, to get beaten so easily in the air for the first was really really poor.
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Their second https://twitter.com/AstonVilla_Ar10/status/1188077993282932736
"Are you claiming that goal?"
"No, David said he touched it.."
Kevin de Bruyne has been awarded City's second but the Belgian is happy to share the goals round the team.
Baffling stuff..
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That first goal was the killer, keep it at 0-0 and the longer it went on maybe already being so far behind Liverpool could have given them the jitters, instead we concede after 22 seconds and it was a Sunday league special goal.
Summed up perfectly in a nutshell. The longer it stays at 0-0 the more the home crowd get nervous.
Terrible from Mings for the first goal.
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From the Guardian's minute by minute report:
87 min Manchester City’s tactical fouls are starting to catch up with them. Fernandinho is sent off for a second yellow card, having been adjudged to have pulled back Davis. I’m not sure it was a foul, in truth, but City get away with so many sly fouls that they can’t really complain.
Pep has City well coached in fouling immediately they lose posession . It stops the opposition developing a move and is less likely to draw a sanction from the ref.
Clever coaching, or cheating?
You decide.
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Dean is not great when it comes to changing things at times. Probably wouldn’t have mattered today, but would like him to be a bit more proactive.
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From the Guardian's minute by minute report:
87 min Manchester City’s tactical fouls are starting to catch up with them. Fernandinho is sent off for a second yellow card, having been adjudged to have pulled back Davis. I’m not sure it was a foul, in truth, but City get away with so many sly fouls that they can’t really complain.
Pep has City well coached in fouling immediately they lose posession . It stops the opposition developing a move and is less likely to draw a sanction from the ref.
Clever coaching, or cheating?
You decide.
They could before it gets it what is a dangerous position.
Clever coaching when it’s not a yellow card for a deliberate foul based on the position the foul is given.
Thought Gundogan tackle was a yellow and a half as well.
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In my opinion Sterling, offside, did brush against the ball, probably just his shorts, mainly because he was escorting/shielding the ball into the net, at the same time blindsiding the keeper, never should be allowed, another clue is his arm movement, deliberate and well played but illegal.
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From the Guardian's minute by minute report:
87 min Manchester City’s tactical fouls are starting to catch up with them. Fernandinho is sent off for a second yellow card, having been adjudged to have pulled back Davis. I’m not sure it was a foul, in truth, but City get away with so many sly fouls that they can’t really complain.
Pep has City well coached in fouling immediately they lose posession . It stops the opposition developing a move and is less likely to draw a sanction from the ref.
Clever coaching, or cheating?
You decide.
Just gamesmanship.. infuriating but clever for sure.
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We competed for spells but they just have far too much quality. No grumbles about the performance or the result; grumbles about the second goal.
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Disappointed with the 2nd half performance. You can't match the quality, but you can match the work rate. Man City worked harder than us in the 2nd 45 minutes.
VAR continues to be utter shit.
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Nothing expected today, but we were comfortable for the 1st half.
Gave away a very poor goal 20 seconds into the second.
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He's standing almost in front of the keeper. It's fucking offside all day long. SHITE decision again. When it happens for us I guarentee that we will be flagged for it.
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Disappointing to lose obviously but not particularly disheartened. We lost 1-0 to QPR a year ago - the progress we made to get to this stage is pretty incredible.
Obviously they were the dominate team, particularly in the second half, but frustrating that there wasn’t that much in it up to the a poor mistake and a questionable VAR decision. Obviously game over after 2-0.
Davis looked good when he came on. Think Trezeguet is going to be a useful outlet in certain games too.
Mings, for all his excellence, can certainly be too casual at times.
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Disappointed with the 2nd half performance. You can't match the quality, but you can match the work rate. Man City worked harder than us in the 2nd 45 minutes.
VAR continues to be utter shit.
They’re just so fast off the ball, they made us look tired/slow in build up. But really, it’s a £500m squad against a promoted side.
We weren’t horrible and the score line certainly flattered them. I’m sure Pep wasn’t high on their performance.
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I can understand that a new country etc can be difficult for someone, but Wesley doesn't seem to make the expected effort on the pitch, the running off the ball etc.
I know that I can seem on his case, but Davies needs a start, and is Kodjia fit?
And it was never going to be easy against City.
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Worst stadium for away fans I've been to.
Special mention to the Villa fans who missed tjd game owing to train problems.
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Dean is not great when it comes to changing things at times. Probably wouldn’t have mattered today, but would like him to be a bit more proactive.
Take off useless Wesley for a player who can hold the ball up at 1-0 or start making subs when you're 3-0 down and the game is over?
Smith is extremely naive at this level. You would have thought he'd learned from his mistakes at the Emirates but nope.
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What style of attack does Wesley benefit from?
Does he need service from the wings, are we to lump it up to him to hold up play, can he get involved in a fast break..? He just doesn’t seem to have the instinct or skill to really be a consistent goal scorer in this league.
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Davis to start against Wolves I think and a good performance could see him get the start next week.
I’m not sure what Wesley could of done today given the service to him wasn’t great.
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They were better than us, we made mistakes which lesser sides might have punished less ruthlessly, and the refereeing (again) didn't help. It happens, indeed was expected. Let's not draw too many conclusions.
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Davis to start against Wolves I think and a good performance could see him get the start next week.
I’m not sure what Wesley could of done today given the service to him wasn’t great.
Running would probably be a good start..
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A standard Villa day.
Defensive error gifts a goal - check
VAR decision goes inexplicably/outrageously against us - check
Dean too late with his subs - check
Set-pieces absolutely wasted when Conor isn't on the pitch - check
Lack of belief when attacking a top team - check
Losing the plot, shape and energy second half - check
Plus:
Heaton is a bog standard 7 out of 10 keeper for me, saves the ones you'd expect, but no better than Steer. 7
Mings, for all his great attitude, is as bad as Elphick for hesitation and clangers. I doubt Southgate will have been inpressed. 5
Jack did well first half only but was pushing his luck re a second yellow 6
McGinn was quiet by his standards, unliucky not to score 6
Trezeguet - what is he for exactly? Waste of a shirt. 3
Wesley - went off the radar again like an unarmed stealth bomber. Must try harder. 3
Guilbert did well against Sterling on the whole 7
Targett didn't do much wrong either. 6
Engels - too fond of giving the ball away in dangerous positions otherwise ok. 6
Marvelous -ok 6
Luiz - just ok 6
AEG - ok 6
Davis - must surely be in line to start now, did more in 10 minutes than Wesley did in the whole game and many other games. 7
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VAR...Villa Again Robbed
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Breaking news its stopped raining.
Today was the first game in 3 years I didnt think we could win. I wanted to see us compete and try and lay a glove on them. First half we did.
Everything comes through Stirling who is an exceptional player. I felt Guilbert did very well to stop him as often as he did. I felt we were loose in our cover of the full backs, but Freddie did well for me.
City strangle you with possession but they were restless at half time. Then disaster. All 3 goals were dire, although having seen a replay for the 2nd, I have no idea how it's not been disallowed. Fuck off VAR.
Mings has to get off the deck and clear that ball
It was route one. We then have two or three opportunities to.clear the 3rd and fail. Annoying that the goals were so preventable rather than being ripped open.
Unlucky with McGinn/Davis.
It's a big lesson though in just how good the likes of Stirling and De Bruyne are.
Not going to take the knock with losing. We didnt embarrass ourselves and that will do.
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A standard Villa day.
Defensive error gifts a goal - check
VAR decision goes inexplicably/outrageously against us - check
Dean too late with his subs - check
Set-pieces absolutely wasted when Conor isn't on the pitch - check
Lack of belief when attacking a top team - check
Losing the plot, shape and energy second half - check
Plus:
Heaton is a bog standard 7 out of 10 keeper for me, saves the ones you'd expect, but no better than Steer. 7
Mings, for all his great attitude, is as bad as Elphick for hesitation and clangers. I doubt Southgate will have been inpressed. 5
Jack did well first half only but was pushing his luck re a second yellow 6
McGinn was quiet by his standards, unliucky not to score 6
Trezeguet - what is he for exactly? Waste of a shirt. 3
Wesley - went off the radar again like an unarmed stealth bomber. Must try harder. 3
Guilbert did well against Sterling on the whole 7
Targett didn't do much wrong either. 6
Engels - too fond of giving the ball away in dangerous positions otherwise ok. 6
Marvelous -ok 6
Luiz - just ok 6
AEG - ok 6
Davis - must surely be in line to start now, did more in 10 minutes than Wesley did in the whole game and many other games. 7
A bit generous for Engels in my view
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Felt Trez put a decent showing and up for best villa player.
Davis moved to channels and mobile , good enough appearance by him , and unlucky not to score , to have more minutes next time out.
Disappointing Gündoğan was allowed to run the show, needed shackling . It would have been great to show more in attacking sense both when in possession and that they didn't look so good in defence both form and problems
First goal with Mings he was far too casual trying to flick in back to Engels rather than head away
Anyway tough ask and didn't deserve win
First half ok and relative competitive but 2nd half didn't get near them at periods
Be a different match at villa park .
But good effort for a lot of players today shame on some defending and always disappointing to lose but it's how we go in other games that shape us
Who scored . com match player ratings
Trézéguet 6.8
Nakamba 6.7
Heaton 6.5
Guilbert 6.5
Douglas 6.5
Mings 6.4
McGinn 6.3
Targett 5.9
Grealish 5.9
Wesley 5.8
Engels 5.4
El Ghazi 6.0
Davis 6.0 :) :)
Disagree. Trez was gash
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A standard Villa day.
Defensive error gifts a goal - check
VAR decision goes inexplicably/outrageously against us - check
Dean too late with his subs - check
Set-pieces absolutely wasted when Conor isn't on the pitch - check
Lack of belief when attacking a top team - check
Losing the plot, shape and energy second half - check
Plus:
Heaton is a bog standard 7 out of 10 keeper for me, saves the ones you'd expect, but no better than Steer. 7
Mings, for all his great attitude, is as bad as Elphick for hesitation and clangers. I doubt Southgate will have been inpressed. 5
Jack did well first half only but was pushing his luck re a second yellow 6
McGinn was quiet by his standards, unliucky not to score 6
Trezeguet - what is he for exactly? Waste of a shirt. 3
Wesley - went off the radar again like an unarmed stealth bomber. Must try harder. 3
Guilbert did well against Sterling on the whole 7
Targett didn't do much wrong either. 6
Engels - too fond of giving the ball away in dangerous positions otherwise ok. 6
Marvelous -ok 6
Luiz - just ok 6
AEG - ok 6
Davis - must surely be in line to start now, did more in 10 minutes than Wesley did in the whole game and many other games. 7
A bit generous for Engels in my view
Maybe - I wasn't sure if it was him that gave the ball away for the chance that Mings blocked on the line. If so only a 5. Some people seem to think Trezeguet did ok. I'm frankly baffled at that, love to know what they saw that I didn't.
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To add, I hope if we're ever fortunate enough to be blessed with one of the best managers and sides in Europe, winning titles with record points we can still fill our ground.
Plastic, soulless, empty twats with a sense of entitlement having forgot who they are and where they're from. Now they're just a smaller imitation of everything that's loathsome about the other lot in this cotton village.
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We know this was tough for our team but we lacked ambition. This was very apparent in the first half. Whether it was corners or breakaway attacks or other opportunities we just did not have the belief. It’s obviously not easy going to this magnificent billionaires kingdom and get something but you are certainly not going to get anything with complete lack of conviction. Just effort is no good.
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To add, I hope if we're ever fortunate enough to be blessed with one of the best managers and sides in Europe, winning titles with record points we can still fill our ground.
Plastic, soulless, empty twats with a sense of entitlement having forgot who they are and where they're from. Now they're just a smaller imitation of everything that's loathsome about the other lot in this cotton village.
When I was a kid City was in the third division 8)
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I've had enough of Wesley. Hopefully we can bring in some proper quality up front in January.
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Well at least we weren't thrashed, our best chance was at the end SJM hitting the post. Poor from Tyrone today, but he did make an incredible goal line clearance. No idea how VAR thought the 2nd goal should stand, Heaton was obstructed by Sterling, who was offside. Roll on Wednesday, gotta win that one.
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Well at least we weren't thrashed, our best chance was at the end SJM hitting the post. Poor from Tyrone today, but he did make an incredible goal line clearance. No idea how VAR thought the 2nd goal should stand, Heaton was obstructed by Sterling, who was offside. Roll on Wednesday, gotta win that one.
For how far Mings is in his career, ie. England cap and getting the armband at a premier league club today, he is still pretty raw. I feel like he can still improve and grow in his role.
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When I was a kid City was in the third division 8)
When I was a kid Villa were.
I'm puzzled as to why we didn't close players down.
Disappointed in Wesley and I think Keenan should be considered for a starting place.
Trez is (not was) poor.
Grealish and Heaton didn't do any harm in front of Southgate but I feel Mings didn't exactly cover himself in glory.
So, onto Liverpool in the league next. Will be another tough test but we need to close players down for Christ sake. Give ourselves a chance by defending on the front foot, from front to back.
Onwards and hopefully upwards
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Well at least we weren't thrashed,
We WERE thrashed. Conceding 3 goals in one half of football is a thrashing however I accept that for large parts we competed.
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I think Heaton is a bit of a worry. It seems like communication between him and Mings is pretty ropey.
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Stones looking like he wants to catch Eddie Jones’s eye, great ball handling in difficult conditions.
VAR is fucking useless.
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Why did Heaton move off his line for the opener
I’d give up watching football if it was my home ground in a large library like that crap hole
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Just confirmed Silva goal scorer Therefore goal definitely offside
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SSN reporting that the 2nd goal has now been given to Silva, and that it therefore should not have stood because Sterling was in an offside position.
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Just confirmed Silva goal scorer Therefore goal definitely offside
Should there be a VAR for VAR?
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Fuck VAR!
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Unbelievable. Silva given 2nd goal. Had to be offside then. It's said that decisions even out over a season. If that's true then we've got a hell of a lot of decisions to look forward to over the next few weeks
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Replay the game.
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Can’t wait to hear what dean has to say after his interview with the club last week regarding VAR.
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Apologies if i am wrong but i am sure i read that the VAR decision today was made by one Jonathan Moss If that is the case then Villa as a club should complain against this bloke as yet again he has given a wrong decision against Villa .Like the other idiot Kevin Friend he seems to have a agenda against villa
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one less than last time
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It beggars belief how the 2nd goal stood.
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Offside offence
A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is played or touched* by a team-mate is only penalised on becoming involved in active play by:
interfering with play by playing or touching a ball passed or touched by a team-mate or
interfering with an opponent by:
preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision or
challenging an opponent for the ball or
clearly attempting to play a ball which is close when this action impacts on an opponent or
making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball
The bold sections should be printed out and nailed to the head of the VAR ref so he knows now.
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DS post match https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1188103636410359810
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Just, what is even the fucking point of VAR, I swear to God nobody has been more fucked by this ridiculous system than we have.
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PGMOL are the problem, not VAR. I'm dying on this hill.
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Grealish left the Etihad on crutches apparently.
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Both are right as VAR is the person not the technology, so a member of PGMOL is also the VAR.
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Grealish left the Etihad on crutches apparently.
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Where has this come from?
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Grealish left the Etihad on crutches apparently.
Ah fuck.
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Took a whack on his calf, hopefully just minor.
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BBC now saying that the Premier League accreditation committee have awarded their second goal to Silva which of course means that Sterling was offside so the goal shouldn't have stood. You couldn't make this shit up.
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Both are right as VAR is the person not the technology, so a member of PGMOL is also the VAR.
Right, so logically the tech cannot be incorrect and the fault lies with the implementation of rules.
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Grealish left the Etihad on crutches apparently.
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Where has this come from?
Several sources have quoted it, The Mail and BBC.
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Which i'd imagine everyone agrees with, the VAR is the problem same as PGMOL are as they are the same thing. It can't be the technology as that's just replays.
I'd hope the authorities are reviewing how it's not working as well as it should, but i'm not holding my breath.
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VAR technology is not the problem, it's the idiot refs (in this case John Moss) using it!
PL used the same technology to award the goal to Silva.
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Which i'd imagine everyone agrees with, the VAR is the problem same as PGMOL are as they are the same thing. It can't be the technology as that's just replays.
I'd hope the authorities are reviewing how it's not working as well as it should, but i'm not holding my breath.
Feel we're at cross purposes a bit!
PGMOL will not give a crap about how poorly VAR has been implemented. No one questions them.
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Plastic, soulless, empty twats with a sense of entitlement having forgot who they are and where they're from. Now they're just a smaller imitation of everything that's loathsome about the other lot in this cotton village.
From Blue Moon:
Crowd atmosphere again non-existent at home - hard to understand how 54k fans can make so little noise.
Villa supporters forgetting how empty their ground was when they were heading down a few seasons back.
Let's face it the whole matchday experience is now pretty crap, well in my opinion anyway. If you listen to a guy on Man city TV under the name of Danny, he makes a lot of good points about how we're slowly becoming like Utd with regards to having too many tourist fans on board, how many lads from Levenshulme, Gorton, Moss side now attend the Etihad, priced out etc. We are still a local club but we have lost so many Manchester based fans over the years, the ones who probably were very passionate about City and who would generate an atmosphere. The club should be trying to get them back, but they really don't give a fuck unless your pockets are lined with Gold.
At £51 a ticket, I can see why.
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Took a whack on his calf, hopefully just minor.
Fingers crossed. Although worryingly with Jack he doesn’t tend to get minor niggles.
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Villa supporters forgetting how empty their ground was when they were heading down a few seasons back.
I know the actual poster doesn’t agree with this from Blue Moon but I just have to say - the difference is Man City aren’t ‘heading down’. They are playing fantastic football at the top of the table and competing well in Europe. It’s a shame that they just seem bored with success, and not just a few, but actually MOST of their fans couldn’t be bothered to stay and applaud them off today. Ending games in a nearly empty stadium should be reserved for teams at the bottom end of the table.
Nonetheless - the complete nob by me that decided to have a major rant at Man City fans about their shit support and stir up everyone around us to a near riot should probably grow up a bit sometime soon. I could just about understand that behaviour from a teenager, but in your 50s it’s a bit tragic frankly.
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It’s a shame that they just seem bored with success, and not just a few, but actually MOST of their fans couldn’t be bothered to stay and applaud them off today. Ending games in a nearly empty stadium should be reserved for teams at the bottom end of the table.
It comes with the sense of entitlement of having won a few things and spent shitloads of dosh. To see their stadium punctuated with empty seats was either (i) sad, (ii) a reflection on us, the oppo, (iii) the early start and crap weather, or (iv) a combination of the other options.
Nonetheless - the complete nob by me that decided to have a major rant at Man City fans about their shit support and stir up everyone around us to a near riot should probably grow up a bit sometime soon. I could just about understand that behaviour from a teenager, but in your 50s it’s a bit tragic frankly.
There were a few around me that spent large parts of the second half riling up the Citeh fans just over the fence and waving their crooked hands in obscene gestures; calling them out from afar.
Sad form every perspective.
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There were a few around me that spent large parts of the second half riling up the Citeh fans just over the fence and waving their crooked hands in obscene gestures; calling them out from afar.
Sad form every perspective.
That kind of thing always makes me think of this
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It’s a shame that they just seem bored with success, and not just a few, but actually MOST of their fans couldn’t be bothered to stay and applaud them off today. Ending games in a nearly empty stadium should be reserved for teams at the bottom end of the table.
It comes with the sense of entitlement of having won a few things and spent shitloads of dosh. To see their stadium punctuated with empty seats was either (i) sad, (ii) a reflection on us, the oppo, (iii) the early start and crap weather, or (iv) a combination of the other options.
Nonetheless - the complete nob by me that decided to have a major rant at Man City fans about their shit support and stir up everyone around us to a near riot should probably grow up a bit sometime soon. I could just about understand that behaviour from a teenager, but in your 50s it’s a bit tragic frankly.
There were a few around me that spent large parts of the second half riling up the Citeh fans just over the fence and waving their crooked hands in obscene gestures; calling them out from afar.
Sad form every perspective.
The ones by me then sung ‘You’ve only come to see The Villa’ - to which I commented ‘Which is more than you have’
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We were competitive for the first hour. In our stage of evolution that's enough for me at this point. Yeah second goal was a scandal but did feel inevitable they'd have just scored another anyway which they did five minutes later.
3 goal defeat is about par for usually what happens up there. Move on and hopefully we can make it close v Liverpool.
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Regarding the game, I was pleased with the first half and disappointed that we capitulated so readily in the second. The opening goal was a killer as well as being poorly conceded.
Seeing Luiz and Marv playing alongside each other was good to see and largely encouraging: I thought both had steady games ad Luiz showed flashes of being very good.
McGinn and Grealish worked their nuts off - mainly without the ball - and we need to find ways to get them back into more offensive roles.
Both fullbacks looked okay, in the main: Guilbert was faced with a high-class international in Sterling and I thought he did okay. Targett did fine.
Engels has dropped off from his early-season coolness and surety: I wonder whether we should be looking to give Konsa some game time.
Trez divides opinion: I thought he was a little wasteful and out of the game in first half; others thought he had a decent game.
So to the big debate: Wesley. Today, he won several balls in the air, did a lot of work off the ball and generally ploughed a lonely furrow. No one worked particualrly well around him to collect what ball he did win. Davis looked bright and active when he came on. Neither looked like matchwinners. What we lack in our squad are options for changing the game: the only value of replacing Wesley with Davis is having fresh legs up front. We actually need an alternative striker who has a different game and presents different challenges for defenders.
Today will not define our season .... but it does provide valuable lessons for the squad to absorb and build from. Citeh were very, very good - their movement, ball retention and crisp passing shows what we need to be aspiring to.
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VAR technology is not the problem, it's the idiot refs (in this case John Moss) using it!
PL used the same technology to award the goal to Silva.
According to 5Live, The VAR dolt "didn't have the camera angle available to them to see Silva's touch". Funnily enough Silva also told the Ref that he had scored, but the clueless official ignored him. I certainly don't think this latest VAR stitch-up would have led to a Villa fightback - had it been overturned: but we seemed to go noticeably went further downhill afterwards.
Oh, and don't get me started on bleedin' Wesley... >:(
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It probably wouldn’t have mattered but getting such a critical decision wrong at 1-0 had a massive impact right at that point of the game. 1-0 and you just don’t know. We’ve been rogered week after week by poor decisions or decisions compounded by VAR failing to do what it was implemented to do.
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Regarding the game, I was pleased with the first half and disappointed that we capitulated so readily in the second. The opening goal was a killer as well as being poorly conceded.
Seeing Luiz and Marv playing alongside each other was good to see and largely encouraging: I thought both had steady games ad Luiz showed flashes of being very good.
McGinn and Grealish worked their nuts off - mainly without the ball - and we need to find ways to get them back into more offensive roles.
Both fullbacks looked okay, in the main: Guilbert was faced with a high-class international in Sterling and I thought he did okay. Targett did fine.
Engels has dropped off from his early-season coolness and surety: I wonder whether we should be looking to give Konsa some game time.
Trez divides opinion: I thought he was a little wasteful and out of the game in first half; others thought he had a decent game.
So to the big debate: Wesley. Today, he won several balls in the air, did a lot of work off the ball and generally ploughed a lonely furrow. No one worked particualrly well around him to collect what ball he did win. Davis looked bright and active when he came on. Neither looked like matchwinners. What we lack in our squad are options for changing the game: the only value of replacing Wesley with Davis is having fresh legs up front. We actually need an alternative striker who has a different game and presents different challenges for defenders.
Today will not define our season .... but it does provide valuable lessons for the squad to absorb and build from. Citeh were very, very good - their movement, ball retention and crisp passing shows what we need to be aspiring to.
Think Konsa will start in the cup, I would keep Engels in even though he was a bit dodgy for the first today as I think we can build better attacks with him as CB.
Would certainly keep the shape v Liverpool, maybe bring Hourihane back in though.
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Watched on tv today and the atmosphere was eerily quiet. You could regularly hear the players shouting to each other. Loads of empty seats too. A totally spoilt fan base.
Considering this is City’s best and most entertaining team of all time, managed by the world’s best coach, it’s genuinely weird.
It proves that success on the pitch comes with a cost off it.
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So, we’re not that bothered that we lost, and they’re not that bothered that they won? Strange game.
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What gets me is how they all stick up for each other. On BT after the match they had Peter Walton giving his 'expert' comments. Everybody was saying that Silva had touched it and Walton said the deviation on the movement of the ball was caused by the spin when it hit the ground. What is wrong with saying they made a mistake. When questioned why couldn't the ref let the studio know that Silva told him he touched the ball, he said players are often try to con refs so the admission shouldn't be passed on - unbelievable.
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Just listened to Guardiola saying Wesley was good. Is he being nice or taking the piss or am i stupid? I guess a bit of the three options.
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May have been empty seats, but 54,000 at the game.
Caution about building a stadium that is not a traditional football ground and loses its soul, cautionary note to our owners re redevelopment.
City always had the Kippax, Arsenal the North Bank, spurs Park Lane end ? not sure where they associate themselves with now.
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Thought we played decent first half and had a good few break aways.
I love Mings but the first goal was all on him, and what a wank time to conceed.
The decision for the 2nd goal was naff but it wasn't the worst decision of the game, the booking of Grealish in the first half was an abomanation of a decision. I like Graham Scott as a ref but that was pathetuc on every level.
I expected it to be around 3 or 4 so not overly concerned, I actually think we'll fair better next week.
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Watched it in a bar in Cyprus (cheap family half term, get a bit of sun before it’s to late holiday) & four Man City tops one & the bloody attitude of them really pissed me off. At half time, it was “do you really think you will draw” I said no, you will win but you are much better, but I remember being happy for you when you got up from the third, cheered when you beat United, did you cheer when we won the European Cup?? To much cheap beer, but hey arrogant b@**^%ds
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Watched on tv today and the atmosphere was eerily quiet. You could regularly hear the players shouting to each other. Loads of empty seats too. A totally spoilt fan base.
Considering this is City’s best and most entertaining team of all time, managed by the world’s best coach, it’s genuinely weird.
It proves that success on the pitch comes with a cost off it.
Fifty one quid for a ticket today. I could buy 20 bottles of more than half decent wine for the same price.
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A bit confused over the interfering with play offside that wasn’t given. Does it matter if Silva touched the ball or not? Sterling was clearly offside and interfering with play regardless of whether Silva touched the shot from De Bruyne. I haven’t seen all the angles, but are they trying to say that Sterling wasn’t offside and interfering at the time De Bruyne hit the shot, and it’s only interfering if Silva did touch the ball?
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I had us down to lose today and I know all the stuff re Champions v newly promoted side and how we shouldn’t expect to much
but I’m still feeling a bit pissed off disappointed
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May have been empty seats, but 54,000 at the game.
Caution about building a stadium that is not a traditional football ground and loses its soul, cautionary note to our owners re redevelopment.
City always had the Kippax, Arsenal the North Bank, spurs Park Lane end ? not sure where they associate themselves with now.
No way was that a full ground, plenty of empty seats all round the council house.
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Highlights (https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/competitions/premier-league/11845743/city-cruise-past-villa)
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A bit confused over the interfering with play offside that wasn’t given. Does it matter if Silva touched the ball or not? Sterling was clearly offside and interfering with play regardless of whether Silva touched the shot from De Bruyne. I haven’t seen all the angles, but are they trying to say that Sterling wasn’t offside and interfering at the time De Bruyne hit the shot, and it’s only interfering if Silva did touch the ball?
I haven't seen an angle that shows if Sterling was offside when De Bruyne put the ball in. However he was definitely offside when Silva touched it. But the sky Sports studio commentator and any replays I have seen seems to suggest VAR was only looking at did Sterling touch the ball. When it was proved he didn't, they said no to offside even though it was the clearest interpretation of Interfering with an opponent it could be. It is similar to last week Spurs goal when they only looked at was if handball and not the push by Kane even though it was the push that Watford were complaining about more. Was the on pitch ref dictating what they look at or was it the VAR decision on what to check.
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So, we’re not that bothered that we lost, and they’re not that bothered that they won? Strange game.
This pretty much sums it up for me ... Will the same apply against Liverpool ?
I'm upset when we lose any match ....if we go into games expecting to lose surely we are half way to being beaten before kick off
That said I detest the arrogance of those clubs accustomed to winning most of the time - Liverpool, Man City,Man Utd,Arsenal,Chelsea et al
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My daughter's only comment at full time (watching on TV) was why is the ground so empty - Villa Park wasn't like that last week.
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Anyone else distinctly unimpressed by Heaton for the first 2 goals today?
Went down far too early for the first, making it easy to Sterling. Dived like his legs were stuck in treacle for the second. Poor footwork all round.
Obviously Mings was really poor for the first. Diabolical effort from at least two players to defend that cross for the second, Grealish with a half hearted effort to block it and was it Targett who made no effort whatsoever to block it with his right foot?
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I dont know maybe he saw the second late because somebody was offside right in front of him.
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A 3-0 reverse against Man City is a relief. It's a bit like a visit to the dentists, you are glad its over without too much pain
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Anyone else distinctly unimpressed by Heaton for the first 2 goals today?
Went down far too early for the first, making it easy to Sterling. Dived like his legs were stuck in treacle for the second. Poor footwork all round.
Obviously Mings was really poor for the first. Diabolical effort from at least two players to defend that cross for the second, Grealish with a half hearted effort to block it and was it Targett who made no effort whatsoever to block it with his right foot?
I think unimpressed would be harsh, I just haven't see any brilliant displays from him, or even anything that marks him out as being much better than Steer.
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Was at the game today with my 9 year old. Observations on the whole city ‘experience’. Their fans don’t sing anymore, literally at all. When I was a kid in the mid 80s and city were as bad as us (they got relegated in 87 too), their away support was unreal. It’s a total corporate experience at city now and whilst initially impressive when you turn up, it really is quite hollow and I guess a lot of their ‘real fans’ have been priced out. In terms of the game, thought in the context we were playing a team that won a treble last season we competed brilliantly 1st half and could of gone in 1-0 up. We’re being over harsh on Wesley, he had little support around him, one issue is that he’s sometimes on his toes a bit. Saying that Davis did well when he came on and deserves a go. Don’t think smith did a lot wrong and making changes at 1-0 I don’t think would of made a difference as city were in full flow by then. All in all gutted as always when we lose, but I accept we lost to a classy side and take the positives such as the full backs, Luiz and Nakamba at times, Davis and grealish giving his all and despite mongs mistake that clearance was unreal. Bring on wolves UTV
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Just rewatching the first half on a great stream that has all games recorded. One thing that really sticks out is the speed of Jack Grealish. I never thought he was that fast but boy can he move.
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Not long back.
The atmosphere is absolutely pitiful. The attitude of "we've won, were 3-0 up so we're leaving on 80 mins" absolutely stinks.
They're a different class on the pitch, but pathetic off it.
Anyway, a far easier league game next week....
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Mings not mongs obviously.....long day ::)
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A 3-0 reverse against Man City is a relief. It's a bit like a visit to the dentists, you are glad its over without too much pain
Yes ok but never forget for even a moment it’s Aston Villa FC you support not West Ham, Southampton or Manu etc who’s fans will be quite pleased with a routine thrashing.
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Anyone else distinctly unimpressed by Heaton for the first 2 goals today?
Went down far too early for the first, making it easy to Sterling. Dived like his legs were stuck in treacle for the second. Poor footwork all round.
Obviously Mings was really poor for the first. Diabolical effort from at least two players to defend that cross for the second, Grealish with a half hearted effort to block it and was it Targett who made no effort whatsoever to block it with his right foot?
Surely if he went down too early, then it wouldn't have gone under him?
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I'll throw my opinion in on the VAR decision.
Sterling was not offside when De Bruyne shoots so if no one else touches it, it is a goal.
When Silva gets a touch, Sterling is offside and obstructing the keeper's view so the goal should be chalked off.
Bear in mind that Silva claims the goal and all the team celebrate with him. Then comes the VAR check and all of a sudden it is De Bruyne's goal and all is well in the world.
An hour later the goal is awarded to Silva as we all knew it would be and therefore should not have stood.
Don't get me wrong, I don't doubt we would have lost but there is a world of difference between 1-0 and 2-0 with 25 minutes to go. Possibly a shift in momentum with a boost for us after a VAR decision going our way!
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I personally think the offside interfering with play rule has been quietly ignored by most referees now anyway. Even before VAR the bigger teams have had the "benefit of the doubt" on that one. Pretty sure we was on the end of the exact same call a few seasons ago when someone ran across the keeper which meant they couldn't go for the save as it looked like the attacker was going to touch it.
All VAR looked at today was did Sterling touch it. When he didn't, they were not fussed on calling anything else.
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I personally think the offside interfering with play rule has been quietly ignored by most referees now anyway. Even before VAR the bigger teams have had the "benefit of the doubt" on that one. Pretty sure we was on the end of the exact same call a few seasons ago when someone ran across the keeper which meant they couldn't go for the save as it looked like the attacker was going to touch it.
All VAR looked at today was did Sterling touch it. When he didn't, they were not fussed on calling anything else.
The bigger team didn't get the benefit of the doubt today.
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don't get the negs on Heaton
he's been a solid performer all season for me and defo a class above Steer
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don't get the negs on Heaton
he's been a solid performer all season for me and defo a class above Steer
Agree.
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Didn’t expect to get anything from today. On the plus side, Citeh don’t lose ground to Liverpool in title race I guess?
Points of note...
- VAR is bollocks
- Love Mings, but (so far), he’s no McGrath
- Heaton needs to start showing what he offers over Steer
- Keinan HAS to start against the scousers
Our best player today - Freddie Guilbert imo
I thought Guilbert was our weakest player , defensively he got hugely exploited.
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Completely disagree. He did very well up against Sterling.
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He had a good game but wad not helped much by our midfield.
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Completely disagree. He did very well up against Sterling.
Fair enough, I usually agree with most of your summaries so I'll rewatch. I just shat myself every time the ball came down to his corner, Sterling seemed to have acres of space to me.
As an aside, it always amazes me how if you read this thread you can find posts with diametrically opposed views about literally every player. Trezeguet and Heaton seem to be today's polarised opinions. Wesley polarises every week.
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Come on everybody, we have just played probably the best league team in Europe. We did not play badly at all in my opinion. To be fair some of our attacking moves looked very good.
Playing like that against most other teams in this league would definitely not end in defeat.
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Completely disagree. He did very well up against Sterling.
Fair enough, I usually agree with most of your summaries so I'll rewatch. I just shat myself every time the ball came down to his corner, Sterling seemed to have acres of space to me.
As an aside, it always amazes me how if you read this thread you can find posts with diametrically opposed views about literally every player. Trezeguet and Heaton seem to be today's polarised opinions. Wesley polarises every week.
Kind of you to say.
I was very impressed with Sterling. He's an exceptional player and I felt everything good went through him. The issue was how loose we were on the overlap with the fullback, but Guilbert did well to get close to Sterling as often as he did.
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Over critical blaming Heaton for goals. Sterling rarely misses those chances these days. He was blindsided for the second. Steer did well last year but Heaton is totally solid and assured and a step up. Mings has a mistake in him but is still pretty classy, no McGrath, but that’s unfair as nobody is. Engels did ok, but made almost an identical mistake to Arsenal, trying to chip ball out of defence, that Mings ended clearing off line. Trez looks busy and is a threat but seems to struggle with decision making in final third, maybe a goal will do him world of good. Agree with comments that playing like that will give us results against many teams in this league this year.
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Agreed.
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Not a lucky kit, then.
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Not a lucky kit, then.
I was looking for the brand name Muller on the front and the name 'Whittingham' on the back.
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Good, because I like the green and black. ;)
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Don't understand the criticism of Heaton I think he has been solid none of the goals yesterday were down to him. While I was watching the game all I could hear were Villa chants and singing how spoilt have they become? I wonder whether total expected success in every game is what we want not having any nerves about the opposition just seems the opposite of why we watch the game.
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I thought we did ok. And that's about it. I'd still like to see a quick, niggly striker playing off Wesley. I think it'd do him the world of good.
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I had free tickets/seats in the City end today with a friend who isn't a City fan. We obviously stood out when we didn't stand up or clap at the appropriate times. The seats were padded and exceptionally comfy and their fans were exceptionally quiet. It's probably been mentioned but Mings was fouled/ elbowed as he went for his header that led to their first goal I saw it as clear as day (it was a clever foul by the City player - who ever it was who - challenged him?). I would go to far as say I hate their ground and the whole match day experience it's so sanitised it stinks. It pretty much sums up everything that is wrong with modern/Sky football. Maine road was no exaggeration at least 100 times better.
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Didn't enjoy yesterday one bit
City might be Champions and winning trophies but you'd think they were on the verge of going out of existence. Dull, miserable, sterile atmosphere. One of the most boring stadiums in the country.
We tried hard first half but City didn't really have to work up a sweat.
Second half was to be expected, for all his praise Mings has some fuck ups in him. We were sloppy and looked tired as usual, Brighton was a lucky result and we carried on that poor performance in the 2nd half yesterday.
Some of our 'stars' proved why they're playing for us and not the opposition. Wesley will get all the stick but all round it wasn't great. 3-0 is no embarrassment against the Champions but we shown them far too much respect before and in the game.
Smith needs to react quicker with his changes. Tough run of fixtures coming up now with only Newcastle looking like a winnable game. Sort it out or we'll be back in the Zone for Christmas
Sheff United have come up and are getting on with it instead of being overwhelmed and showing far too much respect to these big clubs. We're acting like it's our first time in the premier league and getting over excited by playing teams like City.
Away from the Football the sooner we fuck Kappa off the better, we had an official club interview released in the week with McGinns badge half missing and yesterday some poor sod was wearing the official tracksuit with the same problem, his mates singing "Where's your badge gone, Where's your badge gone" whilst pointing to his chest. Shocker!
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Disappointed obviously with losing, even though my expectations of achieving a result were low. We seem to be struggling in the second halves of matches against the likes of spuds, arses and monopoly city after decent 1st halves. This is something we need to address as losing 3 goals as we have done on each occasion, leaves us with very little chance.
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As Villa fans we’ve got to be careful that we don’t get into a cycle of perpetual dissatisfaction. So we were lucky against Brighton rather than persistent. All the best teams (I’m not saying we’re one of them) play to the final whistle and that’s exactly what we did. On the flip side we werent unlucky against Burnley (battered them for 70 mins imo) or Arsenal (blatant pen for a draw...VAR grr), we threw it away. Yesterday we played well first half, defended pretty well and attacked with a threat a few times, we also played well for last 10. In between we were out passed and manoeuvred by some of the best players in world football at the moment, in particular De Bruyne and Sterling....and they brought Aguero on as sub ffs! I just think we need a bit of perspective. A quarter of the way through this season I’m confident we have more than enough to stay up, which after all is the only objective that matters this season. Nothing scares me in this division outside the top two or three.
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I'm in total agreement Rambo. There's an irony in the posters very valid point about Man City losing all perspective of what they are and where they're from, so that they're now in this "success? so what" state of apathy. To then negatively spin a good win against a decent Brighton side and bemoan us losing to their riches is a bit odd.
We are competing and we are giving it a go in our own way, as Sheffield United are. The fact they struggle for goals will catch up with them, as it will for Palace in the long run this season. But for VAR and Friend we would be above both. Such is fate.
But Man City scored their 30th, 31st and 32nd goals of the season yesterday. We wont be the first to be overcome by the world class talent they have or the last.
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Disappointed obviously with losing, even though my expectations of achieving a result were low. We seem to be struggling in the second halves of matches against the likes of spuds, arses and monopoly city after decent 1st halves. This is something we need to address as losing 3 goals as we have done on each occasion, leaves us with very little chance.
This second half issue may be real as I have not checked the stats but is being perceived as a weakness and that's not good. Listening to a report on radio last night the opening comment from reporter was "once again Aston Villa capitulate in the second half" He totally ignored the facts that first goal was hardly second half and second was illegal.
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I thought we did ok. And that's about it. I'd still like to see a quick, niggly striker playing off Wesley. I think it'd do him the world of good.
Agreed. I think Maupay was that man. Hoping Deano has something up his sleeve for Jan, because the big guy needs some help.
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(https://i.ibb.co/rpQYTWv/IMG-20191027-092920.jpg) (https://ibb.co/rpQYTWv)
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He's standing almost in front of the keeper. It's fucking offside all day long. SHITE decision again. When it happens for us I guarentee that we will be flagged for it.
The Conor goal against Brighton was more legit than this one
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A standard Villa day.
Defensive error gifts a goal - check
VAR decision goes inexplicably/outrageously against us - check
Dean too late with his subs - check
Set-pieces absolutely wasted when Conor isn't on the pitch - check
Lack of belief when attacking a top team - check
Losing the plot, shape and energy second half - check
Trezeguet - what is he for exactly? Waste of a shirt. 3
spot on
1 0 down you could see after ten minutes It needed changing . id have brought on Conor as our set pieces was shit for useless Trez and Kienan for Wes as I thought Stones still looked poor and needed bullied .
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I've had enough of Wesley. Hopefully we can bring in some proper quality up front in January.
Id get Bowen in from Hull. .
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Axl and KtVillian said the two things I was going to say. We did ok but we had a lack of belief, especially in the final third. I thought he should have brought a winger on at 1-0 to try and stretch them a bit but despite the optimism before the game, it went pretty much like I thought it would but we'll be ok.
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You need your striker to be one of your best players, a constant menace who defenders know they have to be 100% concentrated against. Ours isn't one of our best players, he's a passenger most of the time and it isn't just because of the way we play.
I find it strange we bought him to be honest as it was stated that he was a link up style forward and not a line leader and he looks lost up front on his own, he doesn't have the skill set to do the role that would best suit the team. A mistake in the window only buying him up front. He's not a bad player, but he's not the player we need at number 9.
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Just listened to Guardiola saying Wesley was good. Is he being nice or taking the piss or am i stupid? I guess a bit of the three options.
swap for Aguero then?
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Good, because I like the green and black. ;)
I like Green and Black chocolate too! :D
3rd kits have never done us any good. Remember that yellow one from years ago? Didn't we lose to Liverpool in a Cup semi or something wearing it for the first time?
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You’ve a better memory for matches than I have, BBL.
Somebody, I think Legion, has posted all the Villa kits since 1874= on here.
There were some amazing ones from the 1890’s in brown (chocolate again?) and I do remember a yellow version featuring somewhere ???
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I've got a mug with all the shirts on up until 2017-18.
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I've got a mug with all the shirts on up until 2017-18.
There's many a mug who will have bought all those shirts, too.
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Good, because I like the green and black. ;)
I like Green and Black chocolate too! :D
3rd kits have never done us any good. Remember that yellow one from years ago? Didn't we lose to Liverpool in a Cup semi or something wearing it for the first time?
First and I think only time, though others may know different. FA Cup R6 at Anfield.
This match I think
https://www.11v11.com/matches/liverpool-v-aston-villa-08-march-1992-216580/
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I considered Trez best villa player yesterday especially because of his attacking forrays.
He was most likely to score , was the quickest of those attackers and he settled we'll and offer something going forwards.
He was one who most shots with 4 shots one on target felt he played his part well going forward.
Also there was one outrageous piece of skill where he beat his man with control flicking all over him !
Fair play to him
Should have been subbed.
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As Villa fans we’ve got to be careful that we don’t get into a cycle of perpetual dissatisfaction. So we were lucky against Brighton rather than persistent. All the best teams (I’m not saying we’re one of them) play to the final whistle and that’s exactly what we did. On the flip side we werent unlucky against Burnley (battered them for 70 mins imo) or Arsenal (blatant pen for a draw...VAR grr), we threw it away. Yesterday we played well first half, defended pretty well and attacked with a threat a few times, we also played well for last 10. In between we were out passed and manoeuvred by some of the best players in world football at the moment, in particular De Bruyne and Sterling....and they brought Aguero on as sub ffs! I just think we need a bit of perspective. A quarter of the way through this season I’m confident we have more than enough to stay up, which after all is the only objective that matters this season. Nothing scares me in this division outside the top two or three.
Have agreed with every one of your posts on this thread, including this one. Nice to have another with perspective!! Welcome.
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What I find it hard to take from yesterday is that we sent an attacking eleven out there but were more concerned from kick off about containment. Ps Gilbert was pants
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Thanks Keeno :D :D
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Don't understand the criticism of Heaton I think he has been solid none of the goals yesterday were down to him. While I was watching the game all I could hear were Villa chants and singing how spoilt have they become? I wonder whether total expected success in every game is what we want not having any nerves about the opposition just seems the opposite of why we watch the game.
I don’t get the criticism of anyone that played yesterday or anyone that’s played for us so far this season for that matter. I wish people would get a fucking grip.
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First time to see the boys this season and I didn't leave deflated. We try to play progressive football and it will take time to transition and perfect that. If we had a clinical finisher we might have been closer to getting something more out of the game. The highlight was Nakamba - cracking player who didn't just look good defensively but could be an asset driving forward. Yes, Mings and Engels had mistakes in them but also spared us goals - they are good defenders but need to concentrate and be more decisive. Davies was miles better than Wesley and we are needing for a pacey striker. Our fans were in great voice again - goosebumps every time. UTV
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Saw motd. Mings clearance was class!
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Don't understand the criticism of Heaton I think he has been solid none of the goals yesterday were down to him. While I was watching the game all I could hear were Villa chants and singing how spoilt have they become? I wonder whether total expected success in every game is what we want not having any nerves about the opposition just seems the opposite of why we watch the game.
I don’t get the criticism of anyone that played yesterday or anyone that’s played for us so far this season for that matter. I wish people would get a fucking grip.
Heaton is a good shot stopper and generally good at marshalling the defence but he has a weakness which again cost us a goal, his slight delay in coming off his line when an attacker is free (first goal yesterday, Bournemouth first goal and even that goal at Norwich)
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I haven't criticised Heaton per se, but I have questioned whether he is any better than Steer. In my book he hasn't particularly shown anything to suggest that he is. And he has made a few errors, the needless pen against Bournemouth being the main one. ALso have a look at Brighton's goal against us, Heaton doesn't start to dive until after it's gone past him. Perhaps others have seen something I haven't ?
Similarly Trezeguet - a few people saying he played well and looks dangerous. All I've seen from him is a few mazy runs that looked promising but ended in nothing in particular, and a few powder puff shots straight at the keeper from very good positions. No goals and, as far as I can recall, no assists either. Again I'm struggling to see why people think he's good and has earned his place. Any examples?
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Don't understand why Mings is blamed for the first goal but no-one mentions he failure of either Bjorn or Fred to cover Sterling's run.
Re Heaton; some people seem to have forgotten his vital save at 0-1 at home to Brighton last week.
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Don't understand why Mings is blamed for the first goal but no-one mentions he failure of either Bjorn or Fred to cover Sterling's run.
Re Heaton; some people seem to have forgotten his vital save at 0-1 at home to Brighton last week.
Was it anything that Steer couldn't have done?
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I considered Trez best villa player yesterday especially because of his attacking forrays.
He was most likely to score , was the quickest of those attackers and he settled we'll and offer something going forwards.
He was one who most shots with 4 shots one on target felt he played his part well going forward.
Also there was one outrageous piece of skill where he beat his man with control flicking all over him !
Fair play to him
Interesting how you slate Wesley, who has four goals and an assist, but rate Trezeguet whose contribution amounts to a few fancy flicks, runs that end in nothing and weak shots.
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Don't understand why Mings is blamed for the first goal but no-one mentions he failure of either Bjorn or Fred to cover Sterling's run.
Re Heaton; some people seem to have forgotten his vital save at 0-1 at home to Brighton last week.
Was it anything that Steer couldn't have done?
That’s an impossible to answer question.
The important difference for me is that Heaton appears to be more of a leader and organiser than Steer.
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Don't understand why Mings is blamed for the first goal but no-one mentions he failure of either Bjorn or Fred to cover Sterling's run.
Re Heaton; some people seem to have forgotten his vital save at 0-1 at home to Brighton last week.
Was it anything that Steer couldn't have done?
That’s an impossible to answer question.
The important difference for me is that Heaton appears to be more of a leader and organiser than Steer.
Really? Can't say I've noticed any particular leadership and organising qualities. He hardly dominates the area as he tends to stick to his line, his communication with his defence is often all over the place (see misunderstanding with Mings on Saturday) and as for organisation did you see the shambles of a wall he set against Arsenal? Any counter examples?