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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Legion on October 19, 2019, 04:56:51 PM
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Nice.
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We are staying up.....
Very harsh on Brighton ultimately.
Still we desperately need this with our next 3 games so don't really care.
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WOW
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we are on targett to stay up
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We need some consistency, really, and the confidence that comes with a few wins.
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Good enough, it was always going to be the case that some of these wins would be hard earned, proved to be the case today, got over the line in the end, another 3 points, that's what counts.
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Yes, I know the thread title is petty.
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What a relief!
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6 points and 7 goals from the last 2 games.
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YEEEEEEEESSSSS!
Laboured today but I thought, particularly in the first half, Jack was magnificent. Full of clever passes.
Brighton are superbly coached, I foresee Potter as a future England manager.
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Injury time winners at VP for the home team, they are rare and precious moments. Clutch them tighter than the beers you sink tonight to celebrate. Cheers!
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Yes, I know the thread title is petty.
It isn't petty. I was all for VAR but it becomes more of a shambles week by week.
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Needed that. Currently sitting 11th with joint best goal difference outside of top 4. In fact, we're only 5 points off Man City now! :D
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11th in live table, one point off 7th.
We needed that with Liverpool and Man. City upcoming.
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#levels
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We are staying up.....
Very harsh on Brighton ultimately.
Still we desperately need this with our next 3 games so don't really care.
We should have had a penalty and they should have been down to 9. Bollocks to harsh, they and the officials got exactly what they deserved.
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Get in!
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11th in live table, one point off 7th.
We needed that with Liverpool and Man. City upcoming.
Liverpool are long overdue a beating.
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First consecutive top flight wins since May 2015.
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We are staying up.....
Very harsh on Brighton ultimately.
Still we desperately need this with our next 3 games so don't really care.
We should have had a penalty and they should have been down to 9. Bollocks to harsh, they and the officials got exactly what they deserved.
I was impressed by how they played with 10 men. Some better finishing and they'd have had a second at some stage. That's how I'd like to see us play next time we go down to 10 rather than go into panic stations like at Palace.
Anyway I think today was finally a game where the red changed the momentum of the game as our start was very poor and we then had a good spell up to half time.
Overall the less said about the second half until the 94th minute the better. Hardly any corners or shots on target.
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11th in the table only 3 points from a relegation spot but only one point behind Spurs in 7th - Christ it's tight.
Edit Oops didn't see Soccer HQ's post first, apologies - great minds and all that ;-)
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First consecutive top flight wins since May 2015.
Only two wins off what we managed in 15/16 now.
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11th in live table, one point off 7th.
We needed that with Liverpool and Man. City upcoming.
Liverpool are long overdue a beating.
Out of all of our fixtures this season, THAT is the one I want us to win more than any other. I'D LOVE IT IF WE BEAT THEM..... LOVE IT*!!
*especially, if it leads to a spectacular collapse of form and the coveted League Title they are crying out for! ;)
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The red card and late goal papered over more than a few cracks and the latter was a get out of jail card. That said, robbed by VAR again.
Food for thought - in the "Justice League" (one where we hadn't been royally fucked by refs/VAR at Palace and Arsenal) we'd actually be 5th. Without ever really looking convincing apart from Norwich.
Oh and AEG was pish.
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11th in the table only 3 points from a relegation spot but only one point behind Spurs in 7th - Christ it's tight.
Going to need 38-40 points to stay up this season, at least Watford didn't win.
Man. United going to be in relegation zone by next Sunday by looks of things which sums up the crazy nature of the season so far.
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3 points. Just happy. How stressful though. Come on villa.
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A refreshing change to be on the right end of last minute winner. A win is a win, but we need to be better by the sounds of things.
VAR is every bit the calamitous fuck up many of us knew it would be.
Dean needs to address how we play against 10 men, it almost seems psychcological now.
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You can thank me for the win, was due to go over but missed my flight this morning.
Delighted with the win, not so much with the performance. Positives were Jack, Nakamba, Trez when he came on did alright. However, El Ghazi was really poor, and up to the goal so was targett, but obviously won't hammer him too much after grabbing the winner.
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We've played better and lost. I'll take the points. Grealish was immense, McGinn and Guilbert ok. Trez looked lively when he came on. The rest were pretty dreadful, particularly defensively. Lots to work on but pressure off for the next couple anyway, felt like we were complacent coming into this for some reason.
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Phew! I had a bad feeling about today, so I'm delighted we managed to turn it around & stuck a cheeky winner in at the death. I'm now looking forward to having Sunday afternoon aperitifs at my local: where I can be magnanimous in victory - rather than the other thing. Lovely.
UTV
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First consecutive top flight wins since May 2015.
Yeah, and look.what happened next!
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Sorry if this messes up your screen
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How was Davis' turn and shot just before the goal? Sounded immense.
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A refreshing change to be on the right end of last minute winner. A win is a win, but we need to be better by the sounds of things.
VAR is every bit the calamitous fuck up many of us knew it would be.
Dean needs to address how we play against 10 men, it almost seems psychcological now.
.....or maybe after today it won’t be.
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https://www.skysports.com/football/a-villa-vs-brighton/408061
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Teams that win leagues get results like that despite playing like a bunch of strangers for most of the game and an abominable performance by the ref ref and his chum VAR.
We may not have deserved to win, but equally in other fixtures we didn't get the result that our performances deserve.
Over the season these things even themselves out. In previous games this season, we've dropped 8 points by giving goals away in the last 15 minutes.
We won today because we kept going right to the last minute.
We need to keep doing this - it's at the end of games that defences tire, lose concentration and concede.
Top teams take advantage of this score and win.
Let's start to play like them.
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Much needed result however the performance was again very worrying . Grealish and Heaton aside, I'm not sure another player had a performance higher than a 6. Tactically a complete mess again, set up of our midfield is all wrong. Davis looks very lively, defenders can't compete with his power.
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Great run and finish from Targett. To be honest I thought he had a poor game defensively and in attack, so good for him to contribute in that way.
Grealish was outstanding throughout.
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Great result, well done Matt Targett, think he could turn out to be a good buy. Above Man United in the league, when was the last time that happened, 1981?
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Ratter turgid today. At half time the way we finished the 1st half scoring two good goals I thought we’d win the game comfortably.
No one really stood out as poor to be honest. But great that we keep going and scored a late late winner.
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A really poor display to be honest, but brilliant to nick it with almost the last kick of the match. Jack was great in front of the watching Southgate, but at times tried to do too much.
Brighton played well, and were the better team in the first half until the sending off. Maupay is an excellent little player.
We should have killed it off long before we did, but as we did against West Ham made heavy weather of it. El Ghazi wants shooting for that miss. Trezeguet should be embarrassed to keep using that nickname. Grealish, McGinn and Mings are different class though, a better, more likeable trio I’m not sure we’ve ever had.
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We didn’t play well enough today. Too predictable, too open when exposed on the counter. We struggled again to break down 10 men. But we won. And in a long hard season I’ll accept the points and forget how we got them. And we need wins like this every bit as the one we got last time out. Staying up needs a bit of luck and we had our fair share today. And we had plenty of shit go against us too. 3 points and feeling a bit better about life right now. 4 huge games now. A cup win and 4 league points would be great.
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1992/93
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Great result, well done Matt Targett, think he could turn out to be a good buy. Above Man United in the league, when was the last time that happened, 1981?
Doesn't really matter this early but we've been above them a number of times since then.
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Great result, well done Matt Targett, think he could turn out to be a good buy. Above Man United in the league, when was the last time that happened, 1981?
When we beat them opening day 1995 probably
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1992/93
Considering we were top for ages, 98/99.
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Did Bad English go for another shower at the end? If so I think we may be on to something.
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We were above Man United early games of 1995-96 too. We won first two, they lost one. Much longer spell above them in 1998-99 when we led the table up to January.
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We were above Man United early games of 1995-96 too. We won first two, they lost one. Much longer spell above them in 1998-99 when we led the table up to January.
Let’s not define ourselves against one team only. It’s very small time.
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You can thank me for the win, was due to go over but missed my flight this morning.
Delighted with the win, not so much with the performance. Positives were Jack, Nakamba, Trez when he came on did alright. However, El Ghazi was really poor, and up to the goal so was targett, but obviously won't hammer him too much after grabbing the winner.
I'll share that credit Ger. We were in Athlone today and as we walked passed a busker, he was singing Sweet Caroline, had to be an omen.
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And after 4 games under Lambert in 14/15 we were second behind Chelsea.
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1992/93
Considering we were top for ages, 98/99.
And 2001/02 at some point. I remember beating Bolton 3-2 in October and going top of the league.
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How was Davis' turn and shot just before the goal? Sounded immense.
Yeah he did really well. Used his strength with players around him chested the ball down with his back to goal used his strength again to get the ball and got his shot off, their keeper did well.
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Great result but as ITBRVilla said, fuck do we have some issues.
This team has not gelled and is carrying some passengers.
That performance gets beat most times in this league.
Happy but concerned
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And after 4 games under Lambert in 14/15 we were second behind Chelsea.
Nerd
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Target scored the winner but Grealish won the game.
Fair play to Brighton but when you have super Jack you know it's going to make it a winner !
Absolutely immense and probably one of his best ever ever performances in the premier league . It has to be.
Awesome and just loved how he shimmed past player aftwr player , carrassed the ball and basically played levels higher than anyone around him
Well done the villa boys!
Good effort by Davis in his cameo !
Unlucky to Hourihane for his disallowed goal he wasn't best pleased at being the fall guy and being subbed.
Jack Grealish is actually super !!
Got love that tonight.
Oh and it's the officials at stockley park who are incompetent not VAR !
Pretty much several calls in matches across the league jave been questionable if not downright in accurate
It's not the VAR it's these dam officials not reviewing at the match.
Anyway up the Villa!
And exactly how we'll cope with Man city in our open play and how we can out score them is anyone's guess
But tonight my fellow Villans let us enjoy this 94 min victory
And thank you Jenna Frumes for inspiring Jack
He's absolutely different class.
Jenna Frumes (along with Wesley), whoever she is, needs to notify the police about you.
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If offered it before the season started I reckon pretty much everyone would have taken 11 points, mid-table and 5th highest scorers.
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And after 4 games under Lambert in 14/15 we were second behind Chelsea.
Nerd
Mocking superior knowledge only reflects on one of us, now think about what you've done.
:-* :P
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Well done you soapy tit wanks.
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Did Bad English go for another shower at the end? If so I think we may be on to something.
I blame him on most things
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Well done you soapy tit wanks.
I tried a few time to find out that post with that screenshot without success.
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Well done you soapy tit wanks.
I tried a few time to find out that post with that screenshot without success.
Ive just googled that on the works' computer and now the boss wants to see me 'about something important'
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Great result, well done Matt Targett, think he could turn out to be a good buy. Above Man United in the league, when was the last time that happened, 1981?
When we beat them opening day 1995 probably
Yes of course
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Fair fucks to Brighton, they played well.
We looked like a bang average Championship side for the first 20 minutes.
Grealish was magnificent, SJM had his moments and sorry but Wesley just ain’t doing it.
Lastly, we’ve some right knob head fans who really need to keep their thoughts inside their tiny thick heads. Twats.
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(https://i.ibb.co/LNgBHJM/mt.jpg)
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We were above Man United early games of 1995-96 too. We won first two, they lost one. Much longer spell above them in 1998-99 when we led the table up to January.
Let’s not define ourselves against one team only. It’s very small time.
Yep. It's an inferiority complex we have had ingrained into the club since the days of Ellis and it really needs to go. Hopefully NSWE are the people to exorcise it.
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Fair fucks to Brighton, they played well.
We looked like a bang average Championship side for the first 20 minutes.
Grealish was magnificent, SJM had his moments and sorry but Wesley just ain’t doing it.
Lastly, we’ve some right knob head fans who really need to keep their thoughts inside their tiny thick heads. Twats.
Fuck Brighton. I love the place but when I was studying there in 2005-6 everyone was a Chelsea fan plastic wankers. I didn't meet one native who claimed allegiance to the Guls
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Fair fucks to Brighton, they played well.
We looked like a bang average Championship side for the first 20 minutes.
Grealish was magnificent, SJM had his moments and sorry but Wesley just ain’t doing it.
Lastly, we’ve some right knob head fans who really need to keep their thoughts inside their tiny thick heads. Twats.
Fuck Brighton. I love the place but when I was studying there in 2005-6 everyone was a Chelsea fan plastic wankers. I didn't meet one native who claimed allegiance to the Guls
Different now, they everywhere down here. Walking around Sussex in my Villa top will feel very sweet next few days.
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Thought Brighton were the much better team 11 v 11, but after the sending off we really took the game by the scruff of the neck for the rest of the first half. Thought we were very pedestrian in the second half against a ten man defence, and Brighton showed they could still move the ball well and threaten us on the break. Thought Jack had his best game of the season so far, but a few were not at their best - AEG, Engels, and even SJG were below par today. Thought Trezeguet made a real positive difference when he came on, and good cameos from Davis and Luiz. Great goal by Targett with 10 seconds to go, and 3 very valuable points given our next run of fixtures
Haven't seen the replay of the disallowed goal yet, but right or wrong, either way, just fuck VAR - it's destroying the enjoyment of the game. Go wild with celebration then get completely deflated. Every time we score now I'm expecting some nefarious review to disallow it. By the way, who instigates the VAR review? I've hated VAR from the start but the reality is that the money in the game - and the justification for getting every decision scrutinised and dissected - is now more important than the paying customer.
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I really like the link up between Jack and Doug, feel they are very effective together. Thought Maupay was a real threat. His work rate, stature and ability makes me think of a poor man's Aguero, but think we've missed out.
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We were above Man United early games of 1995-96 too. We won first two, they lost one. Much longer spell above them in 1998-99 when we led the table up to January.
Let’s not define ourselves against one team only. It’s very small time.
Yep. It's an inferiority complex we have had ingrained into the club since the days of Ellis and it really needs to go. Hopefully NSWE are the people to exorcise it.
To be fair, since the early to mid nineties judging your club by Manchester United's standards would be a high bar to set. Not so much these days.
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Fair fucks to Brighton, they played well.
We looked like a bang average Championship side for the first 20 minutes.
Grealish was magnificent, SJM had his moments and sorry but Wesley just ain’t doing it.
Lastly, we’ve some right knob head fans who really need to keep their thoughts inside their tiny thick heads. Twats.
What did you hear? Nothing racist I hope
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Well, Brighton have still never won at VP, but we were fortunate.
For the third time this season, we failed to handle playing against 10, and again the management didn't react to the opposition changes. We should be able to adapt and take the game to the opposition in those circumstances.
The only time we played well against 10 was at the end of he first half; whatever was discussed at half time had little impact.
We played at such a slow tempo after the break that it played into their hands. I also didn't get taking off Hourihane who was our biggest goal threat, yet Wesley stayed on again for too long with little effect.
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Fair fucks to Brighton, they played well.
We looked like a bang average Championship side for the first 20 minutes.
Grealish was magnificent, SJM had his moments and sorry but Wesley just ain’t doing it.
Lastly, we’ve some right knob head fans who really need to keep their thoughts inside their tiny thick heads. Twats.
What did you hear? Nothing racist I hope
Homophobic plus general twattery.
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I love football. It's so relaxing. Not stressful at all.
Ffs.
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1992/93
Considering we were top for ages, 98/99.
2001-02 season we were above them until December in the league I think. Last few months of Gregory when we had a really good start but it all fizzled out.
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Massive win, I thought Brighton waltzed through our midfield too easy. Yes the sending off made a huge difference and for once we capitalized against the 10 men.
Unlucky for the bloke sat next to me, missed the Grealish goal having a piss, then walked out on 90 minutes muttering only a point at home..
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(https://i.ibb.co/LNgBHJM/mt.jpg)
A few teams this season are making us attack Holte first half, seen it with a few other clubs but it always seems to impact on home team when they're not attacking towards their main home end in second half of games, Liverpool should only have drawn with Leicester the other week and they were shooting at Kop in the first half.
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Massive win, I thought Brighton waltzed through our midfield too easy. Yes the sending off made a huge difference and for once we capitalized against the 10 men.
Unlucky for the bloke sat next to me, missed the Grealish goal having a piss, then walked out on 90 minutes muttering only a point at home..
Mooy, red card aside, is a very good player. We couldn't get near him first 30 mins. Our full backs were both defensively very poor in the first half. I really fear for our midfield in next 2 games if we retain that shape. So easy to play through. The likes of Wesley, El Ghazi and Hourihane are complete passengers without the ball, workrate nowhere near good enough.
Was very impressed with Brighton, played good football even with 10 men.
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Everyone was a bit down after the Burnley game. However wouldn’t we have taken 7 points from these key games. Frankly this season at least I don’t care how the wins come.
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Everyone was a bit down after the Burnley game. However wouldn’t we have taken 7 points from these key games. Frankly this season at least I don’t care how the wins come.
We probably should have won the last four.
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Did Brighton get to restart after the winner or did the whistle blow immediately? Like, was there any time for squeaky bums?
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Did Brighton get to restart after the winner or did the whistle blow immediately? Like, was there any time for squeaky bums?
It is The Villa. There is always time for squeaky bums. ;)
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Did Brighton get to restart after the winner or did the whistle blow immediately? Like, was there any time for squeaky bums?
Yes, No and Yes
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Brighton were decent, but it should have finished 3-0, even with us not quite at it.
And they’re another mob happy to be shithousers, which bit them on the arse.
And their fans can fuck off, giving stick to Mings for no apparent reason than he got called up over their player.
Had no beef with Brighton, now I’ll be happy when they’ve fucked back to where they’ve spent most of their existence.
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Did Mooy lash out at Jack when he was on the floor after the foul for the second yellow? He seemed to.
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That decision to give a free kick and book Hourihane for his perfectly timed tackle, scandalous.
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That decision to give a free kick and book Hourihane for his perfectly timed tackle, scandalous.
And then had a perfectly fair goal disallowed.
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(https://i.ibb.co/LNgBHJM/mt.jpg)
Great photo.
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Thought Brighton were very well drilled and really organised.
Thought that our full backs didn’t get high enough up the pitch and Wesley didn’t work anywhere near hard enough
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Didn't follow the game on here for the second game on the trot. Only checked the score three times, as I was checking my soccer six. Didn't check at all for our last game, until after it had finished.I think I'll stop checking how the team is doing until after the game, for the rest of the season!!!!
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Did Mooy lash out at Jack when he was on the floor after the foul for the second yellow? He seemed to.
No. Yellow was for the tackle.
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Brighton were decent, but it should have finished 3-0, even with us not quite at it.
And they’re another mob happy to be shithousers, which bit them on the arse.
And their fans can fuck off, giving stick to Mings for no apparent reason than he got called up over their player.
Had no beef with Brighton, now I’ll be happy when they’ve fucked back to where they’ve spent most of their existence.
Agree with your well chosen balanced and appropriate words. :) Mings will get stick now that he is England's superstar. It comes with the territory.
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Well, Brighton have still never won at VP, but we were fortunate.
For the third time this season, we failed to handle playing against 10, and again the management didn't react to the opposition changes. We should be able to adapt and take the game to the opposition in those circumstances.
The only time we played well against 10 was at the end of he first half; whatever was discussed at half time had little impact.
We played at such a slow tempo after the break that it played into their hands. I also didn't get taking off Hourihane who was our biggest goal threat, yet Wesley stayed on again for too long with little effect.
We weren't. They were, in that they faced a team that still struggle their bollocks off when it comes to putting ten men to the sword. I think we got exactly what we deserved, a narrow win against an organised and effective side that had been reduced in number by their own actions. They subbed the 22 before he had the opportunity to make it 11v9.
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Please stop this obsession with Manure. And not that I care but I hope they are humiliated tomorrow.
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I thought Matt Targett was awful today...that is until he did the business. It's absolutely wonderful to win like we won today.
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Thought Brighton were very well drilled and really organised.
Thought that our full backs didn’t get high enough up the pitch and Wesley didn’t work anywhere near hard enough
Agree with all of this post, Brighton surprised me, their passing was awesome at times and they moved behind us with ease. Maupay was what I expected, excellent. We weren't at our best, but thank God, Jack was! Anyway 3 points is all that matters this season. UTV
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I was disappointed Dunk didn’t score for us today. He’s usually good for an o.g. Or two.
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I thought Matt Targett was awful today...that is until he did the business. It's absolutely wonderful to win like we won today.
He looked like he was struggling fitness wise at some points.
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Did Brighton get to restart after the winner or did the whistle blow immediately? Like, was there any time for squeaky bums?
About 10 seconds
even we managed to hold out for that long
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Well, Brighton have still never won at VP, but we were fortunate.
For the third time this season, we failed to handle playing against 10, and again the management didn't react to the opposition changes. We should be able to adapt and take the game to the opposition in those circumstances.
The only time we played well against 10 was at the end of he first half; whatever was discussed at half time had little impact.
We played at such a slow tempo after the break that it played into their hands. I also didn't get taking off Hourihane who was our biggest goal threat, yet Wesley stayed on again for too long with little effect.
We weren't. They were, in that they faced a team that still struggle their bollocks off when it comes to putting ten men to the sword. I think we got exactly what we deserved, a narrow win against an organised and effective side that had been reduced in number by their own actions. They subbed the 22 before he had the opportunity to make it 11v9.
I don’t think wins get any narrower, the allotted injury time was up!
They would have been down to 9 had Jack gone down and not had the honesty to stay on his feet. I hope refs are realising that he’s not diving and I can’t remember the last time he did.
Other than Jack, I don’t think many players played well today. I don’t know how far off the next England game is but Jack will most likely be playing for England soon if he keeps playing like that. An English midfielder who wants the ball, a rarity.
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I thought Matt Targett was awful today...that is until he did the business. It's absolutely wonderful to win like we won today.
He's not great defensively, but he adds so much more going forward than Taylor.
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I thought Matt Targett was awful today...that is until he did the business. It's absolutely wonderful to win like we won today.
Whoever the co-commentator was on my stream criticised him the whole game long for his performance. Getting the winner should improve his confidence. Guilbert got the assist for the first too but in truth both of them were quite poor today.
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I was really impressed with Maupay today. He didn't give our defence a second's rest and looked really bright all game. Reminded me a bit of Carbone the way he plays.
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I thought Matt Targett was awful today...that is until he did the business. It's absolutely wonderful to win like we won today.
Whoever the co-commentator was on my stream criticised him the whole game long for his performance. Getting the winner should improve his confidence. Guilbert got the assist for the first too but in truth both of them were quite poor today.
Apart from the goal, Guilbert’s delivery into the box today was terrible.
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Just a few observations about today:
We all need to get used to close games like this for a while. These are the ones that will keep us above the bottom 3.
Jack was outstanding the best I've seem him at Villa Park this season.
We wouldn't have won if Targett hadn't played
VAR as it stands is a shambles
UTV
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I was really impressed with Maupay today. He didn't give our defence a second's rest and looked really bright all game. Reminded me a bit of Carbone the way he plays.
Agreed looked a very good player, mobile, great touch and was an impressive outlet for them when they went down to 10. Made a mug of Engels at one stage in the second half.
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Yes I was very impressed with Maupay. His runs and collections in the channels were very scary. And he was a constant irritation by all means available to him.
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I think a word of gratitude is needed for Heaton, it was his little dinked header over the Brighton player that started the move that led to the winner.
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Maupay’s hairstyle is a constant irritation.
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here's my obvs
they played us off the park while it was 11 v 11
Grealish is the best player in the world
Wesley should have been subbed off a lot earlier
VAR is shit (that coming from someone who was in favour at first)
needed them 3 points as we will get zero from the next two
Thought Maupay looked impressive, maybe I was wrong in thinking he was a white haired Hogan
would like to see Smith react earlier to what's happening in front of him
nothing like a last minute winning goal
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Weird today. I didn't think we played that well but we didn't deserve to lose either. I said to a mate around 15 mins to go 'I can see us scoring a last minute goal' so that was nice.
Good to see Targett score because I thought he was our worse player to be honest. Marvellous three points though and much needed.
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I can’t say I was impressed by Maupay, I liked him at Brentford and hoped we’d try and get him but I thought we handled him very comfortably.
Liked the 6 and the 13 for them
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I can’t say I was impressed by Maupay, I liked him at Brentford and hoped we’d try and get him but I thought we handled him very comfortably.
Liked the 6 and the 13 for them
I wasn’t impressed either. He’s busy, but puts in mind of an overpriced Paul Dickov.
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Great result in terms of achieving 3 valuable points. Well done boys! Second half was more tense than it should have been. There were times when I wondered which team had the 10 men and we looked a little lethargic. A great finish to the game though.
Disappointed with yet another steward in upper holte today. They certainly do themselves no favours at all.
Finally VAR is sh€t and is ruining the game for the paying supporter in real time and we always seem to get sh€t refs.
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We were above Man United early games of 1995-96 too. We won first two, they lost one. Much longer spell above them in 1998-99 when we led the table up to January.
Let’s not define ourselves against one team only. It’s very small time.
Especially as they are nowhere near the team they were - even when we were last in top league
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Great photo.
Indeed. Not long home. And fickle person that I am, looking forward to MOTD.
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Well, Brighton have still never won at VP, but we were fortunate.
For the third time this season, we failed to handle playing against 10, and again the management didn't react to the opposition changes. We should be able to adapt and take the game to the opposition in those circumstances.
The only time we played well against 10 was at the end of he first half; whatever was discussed at half time had little impact.
We played at such a slow tempo after the break that it played into their hands. I also didn't get taking off Hourihane who was our biggest goal threat, yet Wesley stayed on again for too long with little effect.
We weren't. They were, in that they faced a team that still struggle their bollocks off when it comes to putting ten men to the sword. I think we got exactly what we deserved, a narrow win against an organised and effective side that had been reduced in number by their own actions. They subbed the 22 before he had the opportunity to make it 11v9.
If Jack has gone down like the rest of the ponces do when they wind blows they’d have been down to 9. I still don’t why he wasn’t sent off anyway. Not like it suddenly wasn’t a foul just because the player didn’t go down.
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All about perception I suppose.
First time I’ve seen a Villa match since the play off final.
The quality of football is so much better now. Villa Park looked awesome in the autumn sunshine.
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Today Brighton did what I'd like us to do more often. On paper they played a fairly straight forward 442 but what actually happened is Maupay played 10 yards behind Connolly and then Mooy and Gross (can't be bothered to add the funny character) tucked in alongside him so Targett and Guilbert were forced to tuck in slightly to look after them. That gave their fullbacks had loads of space to run into, Targett struggled more than Guilbert because their right back is decent but the leftback was an out of position centre half who didn't have the pace or quality to take advantage of it. It's a great way of playing against 433 because you can overload the defensive midfielder and force the opposition wide players deeper.
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I must be the odd one out because I really enjoyed the game - until the red card I thought we were chasing shadows largely but fortunate that they picked two pests up front in maupay & Connolly rather than Murray who is an actual goal threat/finisher. Dale Stephens, If I remember correctly was first choice when we signed Westwood I thought ran the game again until the red card.
Hourihane’s yellow was comedy gold - the incompetent one missed the Brighton player handball, then let Targett off a foul because he’d missed the handball & booked hourihane for a clean tackle? All within 10 seconds :-)
Liked seeing Mings laughing at the Brighton fans singing ‘just a shit Lewis Dunk’ - good lad
Thought Jack was excellent, Heaton very good, the rest weren’t at it for me - McGinn in particular looked shattered. Targett is sooo slow, he made one or two good interceptions but when he goes forward he is 100% not getting back to stop any break & there seemed a lot of uncertainty betw him & Mings over who attacks the ball.
We beat 10 men 2-0....shame we lost 1-0 to the 11 :-)
Like everyone else this VAR is becoming a farce - until they actually get some independence in the VAR chair it simply will not work, they are protecting each other rather than trying to get the correct answers....& it doesn’t take much to actually tell those of us in the ground what is happening ie announcement that says ‘Aston Villa number 9 fouled the goalkeeper’ - at the moment it is utterly pathetic
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6 hour drive from Bournemouth. Thanks m27 and a34 :-[
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My first game this season. My children's first ever premier league game. I was incredibly frustrated at times, although there was some criticism of the slowness of the play around me in the upper trinity in the second half. I liked that we slowed down and passed around a bit. It has the makings of a top side - make them run after the ball. We haven't got it right yet but from little acorns ... Never been so happy with a last minute goal. Even my son who doesn't like it too noisy got his fingers out of his ears and yelled himself hoarse. Winning when not playing well is what will keep us up. Now to Man City and hope for a draw!!!
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Brighton were impressive, before and after the sending off. Really important result I reckon.
There really isn’t a better feeling in football than a last minute winner.
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Apparently we're the first game on MOTD
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Gotta be either VAR or Grealish. Hope it's the latter.
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My take.
We need to cut the basic errors, stop hoofing it to Wesley in the hope that he may actually control it. A new striker Jan is a must. We did look like a Championship team at times.
Grealish was great, McGinn started well but faded 2nd half.
Brighton aren’t a bad team they play well but their defence was not great, we got round them a few times but build up play let us down to exploit it enough.
Subs did well when they came on.
Nice to see us score in the final minute for a change, they kept going till the end.
Wesley and El Ghazi should not play the next match.
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First on MOTD!!
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Haven't seen the game or any highlights but it is good to get a late goal and another win. Take the three points and move on.
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We cheated today apparently according to Brighton fans I know on Facebook. U believeable bullshiters.
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Unbelievable that should read
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We cheated today apparently according to Brighton fans I know on Facebook. U believeable bullshiters.
In what way did we cheat?
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No mention of VAR post-match, plenty of praise for Jack though.
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We cheated today apparently according to Brighton fans I know on Facebook. U believeable bullshiters.
In what way did we cheat?
I can only assume it's cos they lost. Grealish diving. Absolute horseshit. Just sour grapes. I am reminding them of their penalty and Baker red card on last day of season 16-17? Only the ref that day knows why those two decisions were given . Utter utter bullshit.
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Today Brighton did what I'd like us to do more often. On paper they played a fairly straight forward 442 but what actually happened is Maupay played 10 yards behind Connolly and then Mooy and Gross (can't be bothered to add the funny character) tucked in alongside him so Targett and Guilbert were forced to tuck in slightly to look after them. That gave their fullbacks had loads of space to run into, Targett struggled more than Guilbert because their right back is decent but the leftback was an out of position centre half who didn't have the pace or quality to take advantage of it. It's a great way of playing against 433 because you can overload the defensive midfielder and force the opposition wide players deeper.
Have to disagree a it Paul, as where I was sat up in the Trinity Road, it looked more like a 4-3-3 that Brighton were playing. Everything started with their centre halves and as Wesley was up front on his own, it meant one of our wide players or midfielders had to close down as well, leaving us outnumbered either in the wide areas or in midfield. Fair play to Brighton, they were able to move the ball really well and make the most of the extra man when they had the ball.
As for us, it was just a bit of a flat performance really and the slow approach play in the second half played right into Brighton's hands. It was a bit like the West Ham game, where the quality was just not quite there in the final third.
All that said, it wax great to get over the line and get the win. Just watched the highlights on MOTD and still can't see how he gives a foul against Hourihane (terrible marking for the goal though as you could see up in the Trinity Road that Webster was free) and I can't see how it was clear and obvious that the referee missed a foul on the goalkeeper.
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After 50 years of going to villa park they still frustrate me...turn me grey...take years off my life.. ..but fuckin hell I still love it....every minute of it and I wouldn't miss it for the world.. how lucky am I to be part of the villa family...live it just love it and to all villa fans in the world I love you....never a better family there could ever be
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I clocked Smith at one point late on gesticulating with his fingers at someone, Grealish or McGinn probably, "4, 4, 1, 1", followed by holding up his hands in a full "ten".
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Their free-kick was possibly a worse decision than our goal being ruled out. Clearly win the ball both from viewing in the lower holte and replays on TV just now. Whereas I'm surpsied the ref didn't blow up as soon as Wesley jumped, as any form of challenge near a keeper is given as a free kick.
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Today Brighton did what I'd like us to do more often. On paper they played a fairly straight forward 442 but what actually happened is Maupay played 10 yards behind Connolly and then Mooy and Gross (can't be bothered to add the funny character) tucked in alongside him so Targett and Guilbert were forced to tuck in slightly to look after them. That gave their fullbacks had loads of space to run into, Targett struggled more than Guilbert because their right back is decent but the leftback was an out of position centre half who didn't have the pace or quality to take advantage of it. It's a great way of playing against 433 because you can overload the defensive midfielder and force the opposition wide players deeper.
Have to disagree a it Paul, as where I was sat up in the Trinity Road, it looked more like a 4-3-3 that Brighton were playing. Everything started with their centre halves and as Wesley was up front on his own, it meant one of our wide players or midfielders had to close down as well, leaving us outnumbered either in the wide areas or in midfield. Fair play to Brighton, they were able to move the ball really well and make the most of the extra man when they had the ball.
As for us, it was just a bit of a flat performance really and the slow approach play in the second half played right into Brighton's hands. It was a bit like the West Ham game, where the quality was just not quite there in the final third.
All that said, it wax great to get over the line and get the win. Just watched the highlights on MOTD and still can't see how he gives a foul against Hourihane (terrible marking for the goal though as you could see up in the Trinity Road that Webster was free) and I can't see how it was clear and obvious that the referee missed a Gould on the goalkeeper.
That could well be right, it is hard to tell on the TV but I know I spotted Maupay, Gross and Mooy very close together in front of our defence 3-4 times in the first 20 and you could see the indecision it created in our fullbacks of how far to drift inside.
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You're right Paul. Also, Marvelous was poor first half, and just didn't seem to know what he was supposed to be doing. He didn't get a grip on things at all.
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Could not believe the space Brighton were getting in our half, the defence were all standing off, good for us that Mooy got sent off because he was running the show for them. Wesley is a huge concern he makes great runs finds good positions but for me has little skill.
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Their free-kick was possibly a worse decision than our goal being ruled out. Clearly win the ball both from viewing in the lower holte and replays on TV just now. Whereas I'm surpsied the ref didn't blow up as soon as Wesley jumped, as any form of challenge near a keeper is given as a free kick.
Was a terrible decision to give the foul against Conor. However, I thought it was a blatant foul by Targett on the edge of our box just before it, which should have been a FK in a far more dangerous position. We defended the FK horrifically.
The Wesley one in real time looked to have nothing in it. No Brighton player really appealed for anything.
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Too many were not on their game. Looked really sluggish and lacking in conviction.
Jack was excellent. String more together like that and he deserve the inevitable England call up.
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I thought Brighton were very good for large parts of the game. We just didn’t get tight enough in the middle of the park. They waltzed through us too often. I know Connor is a goal threat but when he’s not he doesn’t do his other job well enough at this level. This is more important when Grealish is quite rightly playing a roaming role. He was excellent throughout today. A last minute winner the like Of which I can’t remember. So sweet.
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I thought Brighton were very good for large parts of the game. We just didn’t get tight enough in the middle of the park. They waltzed through us too often. I know Connor is a goal threat but when he’s not he doesn’t do his other job well enough at this level. This is more important when Grealish is quite rightly playing a roaming role. He was excellent throughout today. A last minute winner the like Of which I can’t remember. So sweet.
We didn't put enough pressure on their deep midfield players in the first half, and allowed them too much room to launch attacks. How much of that is down to Connor, I am not sure, but you may well be right.
As often is the case, we looked very good in patches and DS went for it, which is what most supporters want at VP. Midfield overrun in the first half though, and that has be to be addressed.
Against a very good and well organised team, JG was exceptional.
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Al Gazi Wesley and Hourihane are not contributing any where near enough.
You really can not carry 3 players at this level.
We were over run by Brighton against 11 and sometimes against 10.
There is a problem and I hope DS realizes this.
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Poorest performance for a few games but great to get a win. We clearly struggle against 10 men which today was down to AEG just not stretching them enough and Wes was iffy too. However defensively we looked sound. Crossing and general final ball was really poor other than the outstanding player on the field, Jack Grealish really was different class, ran the show.
England win the rugby and the Villa go back to back. What a weekend!
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how was Mings? looked poor on MOTD highlights
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how was Mings? looked poor on MOTD highlights
He had a few dodgy moments, but as a team, first season back up, we're going to, I guess. I just like the fact that he tries to play out from the back, can hit a long pass and is a physical presence.
Plus Brighton were tricky to play against. It's not easy to look completely solid against them. As Spurs found out a few weeks ago.
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We’ve played so well at times this season and failed to win it’s about time we’ve won while not on top of our game. Two late goals in both halves is very nice, great attitude.
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6 hour drive from Bournemouth. Thanks m27 and a34 :-[
Excellent support. Well done. I hope you didn’t slip out with 5 to go to beat the traffic😊
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I thought Brighton were very good for large parts of the game. We just didn’t get tight enough in the middle of the park. They waltzed through us too often. I know Connor is a goal threat but when he’s not he doesn’t do his other job well enough at this level. This is more important when Grealish is quite rightly playing a roaming role. He was excellent throughout today. A last minute winner the like Of which I can’t remember. So sweet.
Yeah, they seemed to get through our lines to easy and able to move it up the pitch in no time.
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Conor had to be the unluckiest player yesterday. Pulled up for a free kick that wasn't (resulting in a goal) and booked (where was var then?). Had a perfectly good goal chalked off. Had a couple of stinging free kicks well saved by their keeper. Got subbed 1st, when all our midfielders (Jack excepted) struggled to contain Brighton coming forwards, even when they were down to 10. On another day he could have had 2 or 3 goals from that performance. I thought Mings, Heaton and Jack were our outstanding players yesterday, who performed for the full 90+ minutes. Really happy with the 3 points. Fully p€ssed off with var.
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I saw the highlights and I still don't know why our goal was disallowed. No way is that a clear and obvious foul. And coaches should be able to challenge, like in NFL. That way we could have challenged the ludicrous free kick that they scored from.
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I saw the highlights and I still don't know why our goal was disallowed. No way is that a clear and obvious foul. And coaches should be able to challenge, like in NFL. That way we could have challenged the ludicrous free kick that they scored from.
We’ll have to presume VAR ref Martin Atkinson was cracking one off the wrist in his portacabin when that free kick was given, either that or his fucking eagle eye let him down.
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Felt we were too loose and open throughout.
The full backs were both poor in both directions, Nkamba didn't offer any protection, Hourihane was anonymous, Wl Ghazi poor, McGinn looked tired and Wesley not effective at all.
Our press was disjointed, our play second half far too pedestrian, we made it too easy for Brighton to play through us and we were fortunate that they only really mustered one good chance second half.
That said, we still ended up creating some very good opportunities. Hourihane and El Ghazi ought to have scored.
Grealish was excellent and it was nice to have slice of fortune.
Brighton fans seem a bit deluded and I've enjoyed their salty comments.
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Hourihane did score. I don't see why it's fortunate that we won when we scored three good goals and they scored zero.
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how was Mings? looked poor on MOTD highlights
For me he didn't have one of his best games and looked to be struggling with an injury, on a couple of occasions I thought he was going to have to come off.
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Marvelous has his worst game for us yesterday. Not sure he had a touch in the first 20 minutes.
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Watching the match yesterday and the Rugby World Cup, reminds me of something that football can learn from rugby, they should bring in the 10 minute sin bin for a second yellow. It seems very unfair that a player and his team are penalised for an offence, that has the same punishment as that of let's say a leg breaking tackle, plus in most cases it spoils the match. Obviously if the player then goes onto get a 3rd yellow, then he is off.
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Our goal should have stood
It wasn't a free kick
Montoya should have been sent off too
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Watching the match yesterday and the Rugby World Cup, reminds me of something that football can learn from rugby, they should bring in the 10 minute sin bin for a second yellow. It seems very unfair that a player and his team are penalised for an offence, that has the same punishment as that of let's say a leg breaking tackle, plus in most cases it spoils the match. Obviously if the player then goes onto get a 3rd yellow, then he is off.
I don’t agree, Lew. A player who has had a yellow card should have the sense and discipline to know he has to be careful with any subsequent challenges. If he gets a second card it is his own fault and in any case his manager can always substitute him if he thinks he’s at risk.
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Our goal should have stood
It wasn't a free kick
Montoya should have been sent off too
Assuming Montoya was the number 22? If so, yes. The referee conveniently allowed play on which gave him an excuse not to dish out the second yellow.
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I thought we battled like fuck yesterday for that win,
up against 12 men and another four in a bunker, we could have easily dropped heads and decided it wouldn't be our day.
Yep, first half they carved us open, time and again. For all their fans saltiness, I thought they were a really decent side. Passed it around, quickly and incisively.
The free kick was an absolute joke decision, compounded by the ridiculous booking. Another referee who lets the opposition have four or five whacks at us before a warning, yet the card come immediately out for Conor. For winning the ball as clean as day.
We then score a perfectly good goal. But someone in the bunker isn't letting us have that. Brighton fans celebrate like they've scored again. It's beyond ridiculous.
So to get level before half time and then to keep chipping away, even when we weren't firing on all cylinders is to their huge credit.
Nothing beats the feeling of a last second winner, but can you just imagine if VAR had chalked that off for some unknown reason?
Love my football, but passionately hate VAR.
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Another very important thing I've noticed that didn't seem to get mentioned yesterday. Luiz has changed his hairstyle. I'm not sure about it. Feel this could be another green kit style controversy and divide supporter opinion.
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Marvelous has his worst game for us yesterday. Not sure he had a touch in the first 20 minutes.
Apart from Jack and Heaton, I don't think that any of the players had a good game yesterday. To play that badly against a team who, when they had 11, were clearly better and yet still get three points is a real bonus.
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Mate, you're obsessed. It's getting pretty pathetic.
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Here's my take on the game.
First off, Brighton played some great football: simple pass and move; almost every player touched the ball twice or three times before offloading to a colleague. The movement from Maupay, Connolly and Mooy (before his act of stupidity) was excellent and there were great to watch. We should aspire to that kind of play.
For us, I think:
- Marvelous was poor throughout.
- Grealish is approaching his best.
- McGinn was quiet; good when he was involved, but not involved enough.
- AEG was way off it.
- Hourihane: we go down to 10 men without the ball, because his tracking-back and positioning are shite (as is his energy levels)
- Wesley: great set-up for JG's goal, and he would be so much more effective if the back four released the ball earlier to him, on the ground. There's a very good player in there, but we are not playing to his strengths.
- Heaton: get some kicking practice in, please!!
We have to move the ball more quickly, which means our players need to be on the move. Everything was too static and slow yesterday. Brighton showed us how it should be done.
Great result though!
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David and Trezeguet came on and offered more attacking threat and dynamism in their minutes than the ones they replaced .
El Ghazi big chance that he blazed over was seemingly the indication it wasn't gonna be his day
And the big W was at it with his cramp/injury and wanting to go off.
Tyrone Mings wasn't best pleased for that stoppage from down the other end as he battled and soldiered on with his injury minutes before picking himself up and I think wanted Wes to show a bit more character.
Why don't you give your illiterate childish rantings a miss and go and play somewhere else?
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David and Trezeguet came on and offered more attacking threat and dynamism in their minutes than the ones they replaced .
El Ghazi big chance that he blazed over was seemingly the indication it wasn't gonna be his day
And the big W was at it with his cramp/injury and wanting to go off.
Tyrone Mings wasn't best pleased for that stoppage from down the other end as he battled and soldiered on with his injury minutes before picking himself up and I think wanted Wes to show a bit more character.
Why don't you give your illiterate childish rantings a miss and go and play somewhere else?
Politicis thread?!
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I thought Brighton were very good for large parts of the game. We just didn’t get tight enough in the middle of the park. They waltzed through us too often. I know Connor is a goal threat but when he’s not he doesn’t do his other job well enough at this level. This is more important when Grealish is quite rightly playing a roaming role. He was excellent throughout today. A last minute winner the like Of which I can’t remember. So sweet.
Think we'll see Luiz starting v Man. City and Liverpool. Not sure who out of Conor or AEG you take out, I'd be tempted to leave Hourihane in as he's good at getting shots away around the box and we won't create too many clear cut chances against those two so set pieces will be important if we're going to score.
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I know I'm right about this otherwise I would have shut up!!
What an arrogant gobshite you are. And you're far from right. There is no point in reading any of your views on Wesley as you are so fanatically biased it's like trying to have a rational conversation about the history of Aston Villa with a Blue Nose.
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Wesley has 4 in 9. That's decent for a 22 year old lad in his first season in both England and the top flight.
Bit premature to have gone full Stuart442 or whatever the anti-Benteke/Smith guy was called.
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I know I'm right about this otherwise I would have shut up!!
What an arrogant gobshite you are. And you're far from right. There is no point in reading any of your views on Wesley as you are so fanatically biased it's like trying to have a rational conversation about the history of Aston Villa with a Blue Nose.
You're receiving massive applause here, mate.
Footy, you'd be banned if I had my way. No 18 months later for you.
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I know I'm right about this otherwise I would have shut up!!
What an arrogant gobshite you are. And you're far from right. There is no point in reading any of your views on Wesley as you are so fanatically biased it's like trying to have a rational conversation about the history of Aston Villa with a Blue Nose.
To be fair, they'll probably know more about it than most of us do.
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I know I'm right about this otherwise I would have shut up!!
What an arrogant gobshite you are. And you're far from right. There is no point in reading any of your views on Wesley as you are so fanatically biased it's like trying to have a rational conversation about the history of Aston Villa with a Blue Nose.
To be fair, they'll probably know more about it than most of us do.
They'd just need to consult their pocket diary.
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I thought Brighton were very good for large parts of the game. We just didn’t get tight enough in the middle of the park. They waltzed through us too often. I know Connor is a goal threat but when he’s not he doesn’t do his other job well enough at this level. This is more important when Grealish is quite rightly playing a roaming role. He was excellent throughout today. A last minute winner the like Of which I can’t remember. So sweet.
Think we'll see Luiz starting v Man. City and Liverpool. Not sure who out of Conor or AEG you take out, I'd be tempted to leave Hourihane in as he's good at getting shots away around the box and we won't create too many clear cut chances against those two so set pieces will be important if we're going to score.
The problem yesterday andtoo often is that our midfield looks like Swiss cheese, teams as Brighton did yesterday just pass or walk through us with ease.
Conor can not do enough defensively, just not his game, so we need more presence in there and you would hope Luis is the answer.
I keep hoping that Smith would play 4 2 3 1 but he seems stuck on 4 3 3
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What is the status of Dooglaas Louis re our game with Man Citeh ! ? , if he is a loanee then surely he can'nt play ?...........................gGodzvilla!
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What is the status of Dooglaas Louis re our game with Man Citeh ! ? , if he is a loanee then surely he can'nt play ?...........................gGodzvilla!
He's not a loanee, we bought him.
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Had a look at Brighton's forum. One of their posts, praised our stewards when he just found out his dad had died 40min before kick off.
And another said if we had a forward then they would have been in trouble. Yes, Wesley can hold up the ball, but I think Davies needs a starting run in the team. But I don't pick the team
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Just watched the disallowed goal on the Sky highlights. In live play the commentator said "it certainly wasn't a foul", and as we were celebrating the goal their goalkeeper was gesticulating at his defenders and not appealing for anything. VAR is a fucking joke.
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Villa have shown they have the character I believe, to stay up. Yesterday's match was very important for showing this.
I've got to admit if I was a player I would find it difficult to pick myself up after one of these VAR goal cancellation incidents. It's bad enough being a supporter!
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Wesley has 4 in 9. That's decent for a 22 year old lad in his first season in both England and the top flight.
Bit premature to have gone full Stuart442 or whatever the anti-Benteke/Smith guy was called.
Alex Bruce.
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Villa have shown they have the character I believe, to stay up. Yesterday's match was very important for showing this.
I've got to admit if I was a player I would find it difficult to pick myself up after one of these VAR goal cancellation incidents. It's bad enough being a supporter!
Good point, this. In fairness, the team have managed to get it together and score again within minutes of having a goal VAR'd on both occasions.
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The main lessons from yesterday were that with Hourihane: we go down to 10 men without the ball, because his tracking-back and positioning are shite (as are his energy levels)
Also , Wesley did well to set up JG's goal, and he would be so much more effective if the back four released the ball earlier to him, on the ground. There's a very good player in there, but we are not playing to his strengths.
Most importantly, we have to move the ball more quickly, which means our players need to be on the move. Everything was too static and slow yesterday. Brighton showed us how it should be done.
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I thought Brighton were very good for large parts of the game. We just didn’t get tight enough in the middle of the park. They waltzed through us too often. I know Connor is a goal threat but when he’s not he doesn’t do his other job well enough at this level. This is more important when Grealish is quite rightly playing a roaming role. He was excellent throughout today. A last minute winner the like Of which I can’t remember. So sweet.
Think we'll see Luiz starting v Man. City and Liverpool. Not sure who out of Conor or AEG you take out, I'd be tempted to leave Hourihane in as he's good at getting shots away around the box and we won't create too many clear cut chances against those two so set pieces will be important if we're going to score.
The problem yesterday andtoo often is that our midfield looks like Swiss cheese, teams as Brighton did yesterday just pass or walk through us with ease.
Conor can not do enough defensively, just not his game, so we need more presence in there and you would hope Luis is the answer.
I keep hoping that Smith would play 4 2 3 1 but he seems stuck on 4 3 3
Agree with Luis as extra cover.Smith 's tactics have evolved with Jack playing a wide role with freedom to move inside,rather similar to Wenger's use of Pires.This gives a more flexible approach in midfield and should provide more cover with Conor or Luis more deep lying than Jack.
It wasn't just Conor at fault,Marvelous went missing and AEG's pressing ,tracking back and overall game went AWOL plus McGinn looked a bit tired.
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The main lessons from yesterday were that with Hourihane: we go down to 10 men without the ball, because his tracking-back and positioning are shite (as are his energy levels)
Also , Wesley did well to set up JG's goal, and he would be so much more effective if the back four released the ball earlier to him, on the ground. There's a very good player in there, but we are not playing to his strengths.
Most importantly, we have to move the ball more quickly, which means our players need to be on the move. Everything was too static and slow yesterday. Brighton showed us how it should be done.
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Agree with the need for movement and quick passing.Brighton did indeed show us how it's to be done but their back four weren't passing directly to a front man,often it would be channelled through Stephens or a full back and then fed through to others.Their movement off the ball was exceptional.Wesley himself needs to be less static.If it was a Bruce in charge,I would be concerned and I nearly wrote that we didn't lay a glove on them until the sending off.However,with Smith in charge,there's a pass and move philosophy.
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Villa have shown they have the character I believe, to stay up. Yesterday's match was very important for showing this.
I've got to admit if I was a player I would find it difficult to pick myself up after one of these VAR goal cancellation incidents. It's bad enough being a supporter!
Good point, this. In fairness, the team have managed to get it together and score again within minutes of having a goal VAR'd on both occasions.
I was just off to get myself my half time cup of tea but turned to see Jack Grealish score as I made my way. Great atmosphere in the queue! :-)
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I hadn't really seen much of Maupay when many on here were raving about him over the summer. I wish we'd signed him. I don't get why we are not more in control when we have a solid keeper, two solid centre backs and a midfield that includes Grealish and McGinn. I still think Douglas Luis will be a big player for us.
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I thought Maupay was naff, i'm surprised by the love in on here to be honest.
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I thought Maupay was naff, i'm surprised by the love in on here to be honest.
fully agree, another good championship striker - fullstop
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I hadn't really seen much of Maupay when many on here were raving about him over the summer. I wish we'd signed him. I don't get why we are not more in control when we have a solid keeper, two solid centre backs and a midfield that includes Grealish and McGinn. I still think Douglas Luis will be a big player for us.
Our shape was wrong and wasn't really corrected, and Nakamba letting the game pass him by didn't help.
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I hadn't really seen much of Maupay when many on here were raving about him over the summer. I wish we'd signed him. I don't get why we are not more in control when we have a solid keeper, two solid centre backs and a midfield that includes Grealish and McGinn. I still think Douglas Luis will be a big player for us.
Our shape was wrong and wasn't really corrected, and Nakamba letting the game pass him by didn't help.
Our shape has been wrong all season.
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I thought Maupay was naff, i'm surprised by the love in on here to be honest.
fully agree, another good championship striker - fullstop
He was the second-best player on the pitch.
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Grealish and Webster were the best players on the pitch by an absolute mile. Maupay was alright, nothing more. His strike partner Connelly was absolute shite.
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Grealish and Webster were the best players on the pitch by an absolute mile. Maupay was alright, nothing more. His strike partner Connelly was absolute shite.
Typical Clyde sourness. No wonder we Hamilton Accies can't stand you.
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Accie filth. 🤬
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Accie filth. 🤬
Aye? Aye?! Fucken radge.
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Maupay playing in either Trezeguet or El Ghazi's positions would have been great. He's a goal threat, really mobile and never gives defenders a rest. If I was Trezeguet, I'd be ashamed to still be using that nickname to be honest.
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I thought Trezeguet was okay when he came on. He didn't do anything wrong that I could see.
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I thought Trezeguet was okay when he came on. He didn't do anything wrong that I could see.
We said the same after the game. He looked lively and think he probably has a chance of starting next week.
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I honestly don't see it with Maupay. He's not a bad player but I can't see him playing at a much higher standard than he is now. I agree that I'd like to have another player who can play in either the AEG or Wesley roles but I just think he'd be adding more of a similar quality rather than us improving the team. In the summer we were linked (I've no idea how seriously) with Wissam Ben Yedder who ended up gonig to Monaco. If we want to push on that's the sort of level we should be looking at, someone who will come in expecting to push at the top 6 not just stay clear of the bottom 3.
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I thought Trezeguet was okay when he came on. He didn't do anything wrong that I could see.
We said the same after the game. He looked lively and think he probably has a chance of starting next week.
Same, he was much better than El Ghazi, who had an absolute stinker.
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I think you just have to give some players time. Some hit the ground running, some don't. Not been that impressed with him so far but he seems highly regarded. Maybe he just needs a goal and then it will all click.
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Accie filth. 🤬
Aye? Aye?! Fucken radge.
I need subtitles :-\ :D
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this term of 'didn't do anything wrong' does my head in
it's been used in the past for any number of players who arnt good enough
Taylor and Elmo at the start of the season 'didn't do anything wrong' no but they didn't do enough good either
they'd still be getting in the team if many people had there way because didn't do anything wrong
we need players in every position who do more than ' didn't do anything wrong'
maybe the better players ie Guilbert and Targett will make more mistakes because they try and make things happen and take more risks, that goes for all players in all positions
I've had many arguments on here about players who haven't done anything wrong to lose the shirt
it's a load of shite you play your best players in every position where possible this is the premier league you don't get points for being nice and giving everyone a go
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If that player replaces someone who is doing something wrong throughout the game and is okay then that has to be an improvement surely?
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How many games is that now when the opposition has had somebody sent off? Is it three or four?
Are Grealish McGinn being targeted or are they just very (very) good at drawing fouls?
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Trez was fine, he didn't change the game but his energy did stretch the Brighton defence a little bit more than we'd managed earlier in the second half.
edit: earl(ier)*
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We were out passed until they got Mooy sent off. We were giving them acres in midfield and no pressing. They could pass it out from the back and that bloke with the beard for them had about 10 yards all round him to receive the ball - madness. Wesley seemed to have one of his tantrum games - didn't get much of a sniff, but didn't make their defence work. When Davies came on he did more with the ball in 20 mins than Wes' 70. I think Wes still needs to start against Man City as they might play 2 midfielders at centre back again.
Decent win and VAR is being run by morons. Brighton I was very impressed with the passing - if they had a decent striker they would be a real threat.
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I thought that Brighton were the best of the 5 teams we've played at home in the league so far this season. Their passing and movement was excellent although it was surprising that we didn't press them from the front and they were able to play through us too easily as a result.
Still, we kept at it and that last minute goal is huge for us with a really tough 3 games coming up.
11 points from the first 9 games is a decent return and we've shown that we can compete at this level. No-one has outplayed us.
What is really great though is the number of players that I actively look forward to watching every week. Grealish, McGinn, Mings in particular have been a revelation.
Good times.
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Trez was fine, he didn't change the game but his energy did stretch the Brighton defence a little bit more than we'd managed earlier in the second half.
edit: earl(ier)*
I like his energy. I still think he'll be a star for us, maybe playing off the main striker?
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Trez was fine, he didn't change the game but his energy did stretch the Brighton defence a little bit more than we'd managed earlier in the second half.
edit: earl(ier)*
I like his energy. I still think he'll be a star for us, maybe playing off the main striker?
We certainly haven't seem the best of him yet while playing on the wing so I wouldn't rule that out. Might be a decent shout if Wesley's hold-up play doesn't improve (soon) within the current system
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Trezeguet has got more skill and control than El Ghazi, but not nearly as much attacking intent, and at this stage, he has zero eye for goal.
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Trezeguet has got more skill and control than El Ghazi, but not nearly as much attacking intent, and at this stage, he has zero eye for goal.
Can we not some how morph tham into one player
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Trezeguet has got more skill and control than El Ghazi, but not nearly as much attacking intent, and at this stage, he has zero eye for goal.
Couldn't disagree more Risso.
Trez is completely one sided and as a result much easier to defend against . Puts a shift in but I haven't seen much quality from him so far, maybe the assist for McGinn aside I don't remember another one?
For all his faults, AEG has pace, two good feet and a fine shot on him. Still has a decent haul of goals and assists already plus was key to the red at Arsenal. Biggest problem is his poor workrate without the ball. I've been disappointed with him so far this season as I thought he would thrive at a higher level.
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Trezeguet has got more skill and control than El Ghazi, but not nearly as much attacking intent, and at this stage, he has zero eye for goal.
Couldn't disagree more Risso.
Trez is completely one sided and as a result much easier to defend against . Puts a shift in but I haven't seen much quality from him so far, maybe the assist for McGinn aside I don't remember another one?
For all his faults, AEG has pace, two good feet and a fine shot on him. Still has a decent haul of goals and assists already plus was key to the red at Arsenal. Biggest problem is his poor workrate without the ball. I've been disappointed with him so far this season as I thought he would thrive at a higher level.
So not really disagreeing at all then?
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Trezeguet has got more skill and control than El Ghazi, but not nearly as much attacking intent, and at this stage, he has zero eye for goal.
Couldn't disagree more Risso.
Trez is completely one sided and as a result much easier to defend against . Puts a shift in but I haven't seen much quality from him so far, maybe the assist for McGinn aside I don't remember another one?
For all his faults, AEG has pace, two good feet and a fine shot on him. Still has a decent haul of goals and assists already plus was key to the red at Arsenal. Biggest problem is his poor workrate without the ball. I've been disappointed with him so far this season as I thought he would thrive at a higher level.
So not really disagreeing at all then?
On the point of skill and control, yeah I am
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I saw the highlights and I still don't know why our goal was disallowed. No way is that a clear and obvious foul. And coaches should be able to challenge, like in NFL. That way we could have challenged the ludicrous free kick that they scored from.
Wesley's arm was raised when he jumped, even though it did not impede the keeper the stupid VAR official was always going to disallow!
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Trezeguet has got more skill and control than El Ghazi, but not nearly as much attacking intent, and at this stage, he has zero eye for goal.
Couldn't disagree more Risso.
Trez is completely one sided and as a result much easier to defend against . Puts a shift in but I haven't seen much quality from him so far, maybe the assist for McGinn aside I don't remember another one?
For all his faults, AEG has pace, two good feet and a fine shot on him. Still has a decent haul of goals and assists already plus was key to the red at Arsenal. Biggest problem is his poor workrate without the ball. I've been disappointed with him so far this season as I thought he would thrive at a higher level.
Really don't think it's fair to be judging Trezeguet on the basis of what we've seen so far. He's only had 5 starts with us and has yet to play an entire match. In his last 3 games, he's played less than 30 minutes in every single one. Red card aside I've not been overly disappointed with him yet, I felt he did fine on Saturday and I'll reserve judgement until he's been given a proper chance again.
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It seems most would agree that at least 3 of our players (AEG, McGinn & Wesley) had off days and yet we still managed a win against a well drilled Brighton side, when all 11 are on their game we are unplayable.
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So pleased with the win and another three points on board Jack was brilliant although we wasn't at our best we won which is the most important thing.
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their goalie has an absolute shocker for the Targett goal
I was at the other side of the ground and wondered how it had gone in
now I know the goalie ducked right under it
reminded me of that Giggs finish in the FA cup against Arsenal in exactly the same spot
Giggs goal of the century my arse Seaman ducks under it
Both massive howlers in my view
but I’m not complaining, much rejoicing was enjoyed with the one that happened at the weekend
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Just viewed their goal again. Accepting the fact their free-kick decision was incorrect, our defending across the 18 yard line was poor. We had 7 Villa players marking 6 brighton players and yet their goalscorer was unmarked on the back post. Engels and Wes appeared to be marking no-one. Clearly work needed in training on defending free kicks.
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Just viewed their goal again. Accepting the fact their free-kick decision was incorrect, our defending across the 18 yard line was poor. We had 7 Villa players marking 6 brighton players and yet their goalscorer was unmarked on the back post. Engels and Wes appeared to be marking no-one. Clearly work needed in training on defending free kicks.
Looked very much like zonal marking, which seems to depend on people tracking movement in the box, which they failed to do. If it was zonal marking then I think we'll have to chalk this one down as a Mings error, as it was in his area where the ball went in from.
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And it was ridiculously easy for a telegraphed dummy to get our entire side to join in with a quick burst of the hokey cokey that they'd clearly not practiced since the Christmas do.
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their goalie has an absolute shocker for the Targett goal
I was at the other side of the ground and wondered how it had gone in
now I know the goalie ducked right under it
reminded me of that Giggs finish in the FA cup against Arsenal in exactly the same spot
Giggs goal of the century my arse Seaman ducks under it
Both massive howlers in my view
but I’m not complaining, much rejoicing was enjoyed with the one that happened at the weekend
I don't agree that their Goalie was at fault. Watching from upper North middle seats once ball was slipped to Targett he was left in an hopeless position. Faced with a left footer 4 yards away taking an aim he did as well as he could. His only chance was Targett making a mess of it.
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It seems most would agree that at least 3 of our players (AEG, McGinn & Wesley) had off days and yet we still managed a win against a well drilled Brighton side, when all 11 are on their game we are unplayable.
Apart from jack and arguably Mings I can’t think of anyone who had a good game for us.
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It seems most would agree that at least 3 of our players (AEG, McGinn & Wesley) had off days and yet we still managed a win against a well drilled Brighton side, when all 11 are on their game we are unplayable.
Apart from jack and arguably Mings I can’t think of anyone who had a good game for us.
Mings seemed at fault for their goal, tracked the wrong man from what I could see leaving a free header behind him. Wes was very lazy getting back too, Mings was effectively trying to pick up two men at the backpost during the run up to the free kick but Wes was just about back in time to pick up the first guy, leaving Webster all alone at the back. Mings appeared to be giving Wes a right earful after it but was more at fault for me. A ridiculous goal to concede and there has been a few preventable ones let in lately. Poor communication the root cause Id suggest.
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their goalie has an absolute shocker for the Targett goal
I was at the other side of the ground and wondered how it had gone in
now I know the goalie ducked right under it
reminded me of that Giggs finish in the FA cup against Arsenal in exactly the same spot
Giggs goal of the century my arse Seaman ducks under it
Both massive howlers in my view
but I’m not complaining, much rejoicing was enjoyed with the one that happened at the weekend
I don't agree that their Goalie was at fault. Watching from upper North middle seats once ball was slipped to Targett he was left in an hopeless position. Faced with a left footer 4 yards away taking an aim he did as well as he could. His only chance was Targett making a mess of it.
no way that shot would have beat Heaton
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Targett getting an 8.8 shows what nonsense those stats are. I think we can all see why you posted them though.
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Wow those ratings are all over the place. Targett had a shocker, goal aside. Guilbert wasn’t much better. McGinn extremely quiet by his standards.
Mings is in Garth Crooks’ team of the week which is pushing it and probably more to do with his conduct with England which I don’t disagree with. But it also points out his interception and passing stats were very high as you’d expect, and that rings true in relation to the game I saw.
When you let a team pass through you as easily as we did on Saturday you can’t blame the centre backs for the odd error.
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It seems most would agree that at least 3 of our players (AEG, McGinn & Wesley) had off days and yet we still managed a win against a well drilled Brighton side, when all 11 are on their game we are unplayable.
Apart from jack and arguably Mings I can’t think of anyone who had a good game for us.
Who scored .com match ratings
Grealish 9.3
Targett 8.8
Guilbert 7.8
McGinn 7.8
Heaton 7
Trezeguet 6.8
Nakamba 6.7
Hourihane 6.6
Davis 6.4
Engles 6.4
Mings 6.3
Douglas 6.3
El Ghazi 6.3
Wesley 6.1
Think I’d agree with most of that, Wes seems to be picking up the majority of the flack about his performance but El Ghazi had an absolute stinker, I’d forgotten he was on the pitch when he came off. It says everything that Douglas Luiz scores the same mark and he was only on for 15 odd minutes!!
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How many games is that now when the opposition has had somebody sent off? Is it three or four?
Are Grealish McGinn being targeted or are they just very (very) good at drawing fouls?
Well the Brighton player was yellowed for preventing a quick freekick which is instant yellow now and then going through the back of Grealish so I don't think he "drew" the foul but on his form Saturday, it was the only way he was being stopped.
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They use rotation fouling on Jack.
He is very good at bypassing them with change of pace and or direction.
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The ref had a decent game really . Nice to see him book Mooy for stopping the freekick being taken when most refs we have had this season wouldnt have bothered and he thought the Conor goal was fine .
Jack was class on Saturday and Heatons save at 1 0 helped us stay in the game. ELG had one of his mare games so wouldnt be suprised to see him dropped for Luis and play to CM against City unless DS brings Trez in and keeps the same formation .
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The ref had a decent game really . Nice to see him book Mooy for stopping the freekick being taken when most refs we have had this season wouldnt have bothered and he thought the Conor goal was fine .
Jack was class on Saturday and Heatons save at 1 0 helped us stay in the game. ELG had one of his mare games so wouldnt be suprised to see him dropped for Luis and play to CM against City unless DS brings Trez in and keeps the same formation .
He can play against Man City can't he?
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Yes.
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Ta
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Accie filth. 🤬
Aye? Aye?! Fucken radge.
I need subtitles :-\ :D
In my friends village north of the Black Isle, radge is an insult, but gadge is friendly...
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Legion when can we start the man city pre match thread
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Legion when can we start the man city match thread
Have patience.
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Ok. Sure. We can continue to bask in this 94th minute glory !
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Whenever you want to. Just don't forget to add a poll. I will sticky it when it is done.
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Sterling work, Boss.
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I thought the ref was poor. He allowed the familiar three strikes against Grealish -cleverly delivered by three different opponents but couldn't wait to show a card to Conor who hadn't even committed a foul.
Arguably, he should also have sent off the full-back who kicked Jack to the ground in the second half, Jack springing back up to supply a pass that McGinn skied wildly. The foul was clearly a foul with the ball nowhere near, so he should have gone, playing-on or not.
At least we can't blame him for the crap VAR decisions -step forward Martin Atkinson. Those who were at the Bournemouth game may not have been surprised...