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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Legion on September 25, 2019, 09:33:46 PM
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As long as we don't Villa it up, who would you like in the next round and home or away?
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Oxford at home please.
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Rochdale please
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Colchester at home.
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My prediction is Southampton away
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Last 16 and we could play Crawley, Colchester, Oxford, Sunderland and potentially Burton or Rochdale.
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Reading or Rochdale at home would be nice.
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Manure at home
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If the stars align and we do miraculously get a home draw , is it free to season ticket holders ?
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We'll probably end up with Chelsea, Liverpool or Man City. EASY!
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Oxford at home please.
this
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Burton at home.
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We owe Burton, so yes them please
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Burton at home please
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Home.
Dog heads.
Manure.
Burton.
Don’t care really.
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Liverpool versus Man City would be nice!
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sunderland please
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Home to Wolves!
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At least we are at home.
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Just had to be!
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Dogheads at home it is
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They put a second string team out tonight. Will be bogged down with europa still aswell.
Should be a very good crowd as long as ticket prices are sensible.
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It'll be a difficult game as they'll have won the world cup and opened a megastore on Saturn by then.
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Last time we played them at home in the league cup we went on to win it. We'll twat the gimps.
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Liverpool/Arsenal
Chelsea/Man. United.
Two big hitters going out next round so we need to take this competition very seriously I'd suggest. If only to have the right to lose to Man. City in the final.
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chelsea v man utd
liverpool v aresenal
could be our year
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It'll be a difficult game as they'll have won the world cup and opened a megastore on Saturn by then.
Nah, they're stranded at Malaga waiting for a bailout
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At least it's at home. Chelsea v Man Utd, nice. Everton V Watford, Man City v Saints, Liverpool v Arsenal. Some cracking games.
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This could be interesting
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Two lower league teams in the Quarter-Final and at least three of Man City, Man U, Liverpool, Arsenal and Tottenham out. Not bad at all.
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Right. Time to bury a couple of years when they've suffered serious delusions as to where there are in the Midlands pecking order.
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That draw has open the competition up quite nicely. Two of Crawley, Oxford, Sunderland or Colchester will be in the following round. Two of Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal and Man United out.
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Chelsea v Man Utd.Liverpool v Arse Man City v Saints and Everton v Watford some tasty games there
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Chelsea have drawn United and Liverpool Arsenal, so we we won't be on the box.
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Last time we played them at home in the league cup we went on to win it. We'll twat the gimps.
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Remember that match well, Tommy Johnson got the winner.
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win this cup and stay up would be a nice second season for Smith before the inevitable world domination
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Wolves are at Newcastle the previous Sunday so we will likely be a Wednesday game again. No great loss as Liverpool probably will be too and we play them the following Saturday.
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Can see us winning 4-1 like last time!
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They’ll have no players left fit by the time we play them.
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Perfect. Couldn't have wished for a better draw. A bit of excitement, local derby, true, not rivals but a full Villa Park. I was there when Cruyff played for Barcelona, tempted to return for this one. Another great European night under the floodlights. Can't wait.
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Needless to say our oh so humble neighbours are already giving it large over there.
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Needless to say our oh so humble neighbours are already giving it large over there.
Am they saying they'm better than we?
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Needless to say our oh so humble neighbours are already giving it large over there.
Am they saying they'm better than we?
Probably saying the same kind of things we are.
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Needless to say our oh so humble neighbours are already giving it large over there.
Am they saying they'm better than we?
Theym probably saying that no Vile player would get into their team and that Vile always talk about 1982. Theym like stuck records. Theym said it enough times they probably believe it.
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I think they'll be
Thurs (A) Bratislava
Sun (A) Newcastle
Weds play us
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They'll use tiredness as an excuse when they get beaten at VP. Bunch of deluded wankers!
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I don't care what their excuse is so long as we beat them!
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Will it be free for season ticket holders?
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They’re getting their excuses in already - “4 games in 10 days. Wolves will just play the kids. Villa will beat us in the cup but we’ll twat them in the league etc”.
They’ve changed their tune from earlier this year when they were saying Villa would never finish above Wolves ever again and that they’ll be in the Champions League in 2 years.
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The last time we played the dogheads in the cup was January 10th 1996 at Villa Park.A Tommy Johnson goal was enough to beat them and we went on to beat Leeds in the final the last time we won the cup A omen maybe
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We've also never lost to them in the competition, winning four games and drawing one.
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Can someone remind me what they do about tickets for cup games, open to season tickets first, then members etc. Still only one ticket sale per member or are the rules more relaxed?
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So with their fixtures prior to playing us, we will have no excuses if we do not beat them?
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As long as we don't Villa it up, who would you like in the next round and home or away?
No one chose Wolves at home or away.
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As long as we don't Villa it up, who would you like in the next round and home or away?
No one chose Wolves at home or away.
The way their fans have been talking we expected them to have joined a European Super League by now.
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Really looking forward to this.
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As long as we don't Villa it up, who would you like in the next round and home or away?
No one chose Wolves at home or away.
The way their fans have been talking we expected them to have joined a European Super League by now.
However - In the real world, there seems to be a mad scramble of tickets for their "cup final".
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dont forget we will have to give them the holte end as well with them being far bigger than us lol seriously tho they say we are deluded ffs
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They’re getting their excuses in already - “4 games in 10 days. Wolves will just play the kids. Villa will beat us in the cup but we’ll twat them in the league etc”.
They’ve changed their tune from earlier this year when they were saying Villa would never finish above Wolves ever again and that they’ll be in the Champions League in 2 years.
Yep realistically I'm confident about this - with their fixture congestion I can't see them playing close to a full team, whereas I'm sure Smith will see this as a chance to inject some momentum in the team, with a win at a packed VP.
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They think we're taking it seriously because we fielded a "strong side" last night. Since when does making 9 changes from Sunday's game constitute fielding a strong side? It's called having a strong squad, something Wolves failed to build during the transfer window because their owners wouldn't back the manager.
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Steve Bruce destroyed Nuno’s Galácticos 4-1. I’m looking forward to us Deano’s 2019 version doing at least the same. Can we go get Thor back to dribble past them all and smash one in at the end?
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Bring on the dogheads I'm looking forward to this tie can't wait for it.
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Will it be free for season ticket holders?
Yep - one of the benefits of a ST - first home cup game free of charge
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This is a great tie: not only will we swat Wulfrunian Dingleona aside on our march to Wemberley, but there will be a lot less noise on Social Media™ as the dribbling attention-seekers have to shut the fuck up a bit.
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Is it possible to upgrade a child's season ticket to an adult ticket?
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Yes.
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Hope this sells out and is a good atmosphere, looking forward to it!
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30,000 season ticket holders getting in for no cost? Every chance of a sell out.
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Less tickets for Claret members though as Wolves will get the larger 5-6000 allocation won’t they?
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They'll be falling over themselves for tickets, still the only local 'rivals' in my time that have failed to sell an allocation out at Villa Park. Joke club.
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Less tickets for Claret members though as Wolves will get the larger 5-6000 allocation won’t they?
I believe EFL rules allow them to request 10% of the available tickets.
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Less tickets for Claret members though as Wolves will get the larger 5-6000 allocation won’t they?
I believe EFL rules allow them to request 10% of the available tickets.
That will mean season ticket holders having to be relocated and even less matchday tickets available. Can't see what we can do about it though, if they ask for the extra tickets.
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Less tickets for Claret members though as Wolves will get the larger 5-6000 allocation won’t they?
Doubt WMP will let them have more than the normal.
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They've got Bratislava away on the 24th and Newcastle away on the 27th, a Sunday, before they play us. Arsenal away is their next game on 2nd November.
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Rules for tickets
23.1 Immediately after the draw is known the two Clubs concerned must mutually agree the prices. All questions in dispute must be immediately referred to the Management Committee for settlement.
23.2 In all Cup Competition matches, the Visiting Club shall have the right to claim 10 per cent of all tickets reserved or otherwise sold in advance (any variation to that figure shall be subject to the consent of the Management Committee) and on the following conditions:
23.2.1 the request for tickets shall be made within three days of the draw, with the exception of the First Round where such request should be made no later than 14 days before the date of the match;
23.2.2 the admission prices to be charged to supporters of a Visiting Club shall not be higher than those charged to the supporters of the Home Club for comparable accommodation and in particular concessionary rates offered to senior citizens and junior supporters shall apply equally to both sets of supporters;
23.2.3 unless otherwise mutually agreed in writing, all tickets shall be on a sale or return basis; and
23.2.4 at every home match, a minimum of 10 per cent of the total disabled spectator accommodation must be made available to disabled supporters of the Visiting Club.
23.3 A Visiting Club shall be entitled to a minimum of 50 Complimentary Stand Tickets.
23.4 A Visiting Club shall also be entitled to one third of the seats usually reserved and known as the ‘Home and Visiting Directors' Seats’ up to a maximum of 24 seats.
23.5 Complimentary tickets issued by the Home Club, other than those required pursuant to Rule 23.4 and any required to be supplied to Sponsors under any agreement entered into by The League, but including those supplied to the Visiting Club pursuant to Rule 23.3, in excess of 250 must be accounted for at the appropriate rate.
23.6 Where the Home Club issues season tickets which allow holders of such tickets:
23.6.1 free admission to a match in the Competition then each season ticket holder that attends is treated as having bought a ticket at the same price as that allocated to that seat for that match; or
23.6.2 discounted admission to a match in the Competition then in calculating the amount to be included as Gross Receipts of the match any discount from the admission price shall be excluded.
23.7 Where the Home Club admits any person to the ground as part of its hospitality arrangements or to an executive box and there is no separate charge for admission, each person is treated as having bought a ticket at the highest price payable for a general admission ticket for that match.
23.8 All questions in dispute shall immediately be referred to The League for settlement.
23.9 All Clubs (and clubs) shall comply with the requirements of The League in respect of the sale of tickets to the final tie of the Competition. Failure to do so will constitute misconduct. Without prejudice to the generality of the foregoing, any entitlement to a share in the proceeds of such final tie may be reduced to reflect any financial penalty imposed for a breach of this Rule.
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After the next international break they have a run of
19/10 Saints H
24/10 Bratislava A
27/10 Newcastle A
30/10 Us A
2/11 Arsenal A
7/11 Bratislava H
10/11 Us H
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As an aside it's amused me that i've seen a number of them on Twitter etc saying we fielded a strong side against Brighton. I really don't think they realise it was mainly our second string, then again they probably have no concept of squad depth.
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The looked at our side against Brighton and immediately said none of them would get into their starting XI.
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#Levels
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Less tickets for Claret members though as Wolves will get the larger 5-6000 allocation won’t they?
I believe EFL rules allow them to request 10% of the available tickets.
Back in the eighties when crowds were low Small Heath, Albion and Wolves at least used to fill the away end of the lower North stand terrace for league and cup. Coventry were the exception amongst the West Midlands clubs in that respect. They only started bringing more after winning the FA Cup in 1987 and having a couple of decent league seasons by their standards. They started 'giving it the big un' at Villa Park for a while. It didn't last.
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The Coventry fans who tried to stage a sit in on the centre spot when Cyrille Regis scored after 12 seconds in the last game of 1991/92 were particularly funny.
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Club just announced this is free for ST holders !
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Nice move. Will be 40k in here no problem.
Wolves get the Upper North I think aswell.
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How will they work that with North stand season ticket holders?
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I’d be surprised if they put Away fans in the Upper North above our fans, bearing in mind what happened last time we tried that.
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Club just announced this is free for ST holders !
Brilliant gesture but season ticket holders don't need to do anything with their ticket, just turn up on the night, meaning their seat can't be resold. Not every season ticket holder is going to attend which means we'll end up with empty seats that could have been sold to other people.
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No real alternative so there may be empty seats to watch a reserve game
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Club just announced this is free for ST holders !
I thought that the first home cup game was free anyway
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Club just announced this is free for ST holders !
I thought that the first home cup game was free anyway
It is this was just confirming it.
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By automatically adding the game to our cards, there’s going to be empty seats scattered all over the place.
Surely it would be better if we had to opt in, especially as the club will have to relocate some ST holders from areas allocated to Wolves.
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Looks like Wolves only get their usual allocation. I’d imagine there may be a window to sell your seat if you can’t go or want to upgrade a child’s seat to an adult. 🤷🏼♂️
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The club have tweeted that season ticket holders in the North Stand will need to relocate and that Wolves have taken their full allocation.
Confirmed now they've got all of the North Stand, between 6k and 7k.
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The club have tweeted that season ticket holders in the North Stand will need to relocate and that Wolves have taken their full allocation.
Confirmed now they've got all of the North Stand, between 6k and 7k.
That is ridiculous - They're only entitled to just over 4k.
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Iy would make more sense to just extend block by block in the DE stand to the minimum amount, but I guess the issue is segregation?
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The club have tweeted that season ticket holders in the North Stand will need to relocate and that Wolves have taken their full allocation.
Confirmed now they've got all of the North Stand, between 6k and 7k.
Oh bloody marvellous, mine and my pals seats already look on their last legs, and now we have Britain's fattest supporter base sitting in there.
Every we time I saw Wulvz fans during the summer they were morbidly obese, they'll need a 60k stadium just to get 40k of their fans.
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Iy would make more sense to just extend block by block in the DE stand to the minimum amount, but I guess the issue is segregation?
This would have made a lot more sense and would have involved only moving around 1200 of our fans whereas now they're moving 7k of us. If they've got 6k-7k when they're actually only entitled to 4.2k, a lot of people will be asking why.
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Oh bloody marvellous, mine and my pals seats already look on their last legs, and now we have Britain's fattest supporter base sitting in there.
Every we time I saw Wulvz fans during the summer they were morbidly obese, they'll need a 60k stadium just to get 40k of their fans.
As an enthusiastic consumer of junk food I shouldn't laugh at this. But I am.
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The club have tweeted that season ticket holders in the North Stand will need to relocate and that Wolves have taken their full allocation.
Confirmed now they've got all of the North Stand, between 6k and 7k.
I've no problem with this so long as we are afforded the same allocation when we get a local side in the cup by WMP.
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The club have tweeted that season ticket holders in the North Stand will need to relocate and that Wolves have taken their full allocation.
Confirmed now they've got all of the North Stand, between 6k and 7k.
I've no problem with this so long as we are afforded the same allocation when we get a local side in the cup by WMP.
That will never happen because the grounds are too small.
They've given them the entire stand because of the problems WBA caused throwing things down onto home fans. I would just sheet the seats of the lower tier from the front, moving back until only 4,200 seats are available.
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That's the kind of pettiness I can get on board with.
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That's the kind of pettiness I can get on board with.
It's not petty - Away fans spur their team on, the less away fans the better as far as we're concerned.
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Im all in favour of just throwing the netting over the wet rags when theyve taken there seats.
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Iy would make more sense to just extend block by block in the DE stand to the minimum amount, but I guess the issue is segregation?
This would definitely be preferable but segregation is cartainly the problem. Giving them the whole North gives them a huge boost. Thing is it's easily resolved. We know what 10% of our capacity is so why not have a system where the away section in Doug Ellis can be extended. Fitting some extra roller shutters in the upper and lower concourses would be a cheap option.
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Why on earth are we giving them more than we need to?
I undertand the incidents with WBA but this is Wolves in the early stages of the Cup, I doubt tensions will be high.
Should have gave the usual Away End plus lower North if anything
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After the next international break they have a run of
19/10 Saints H
24/10 Bratislava A
27/10 Newcastle A
30/10 Us A
2/11 Arsenal A
7/11 Bratislava H
10/11 Us H
Do they have an especially big squad?
Asking for a friend.
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After the next international break they have a run of
19/10 Saints H
24/10 Bratislava A
27/10 Newcastle A
30/10 Us A
2/11 Arsenal A
7/11 Bratislava H
10/11 Us H
Do they have an especially big squad?
Asking for a friend.
If not they're going to need one to fulfil their plans of world domination by next season.
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Why on earth are we giving them more than we need to?
I undertand the incidents with WBA but this is Wolves in the early stages of the Cup, I doubt tensions will be high.
Should have gave the usual Away End plus lower North if anything
Not sure about that tbh
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From Wolves forum:
Why hell we getting 7k away tickets?
We only sold 19k home tickets in the last round
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Wolves big club mentality! They shouldn't be getting 7k tickets. Apparently they will occupy the North Stand.
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Wolves fans have been absolutely desperate to get one over on us and prove they are the chosen ones. I'd be surprised if they don't sell out.
My spidey senses tell me it may get a bit tastey.
(last bit is a joke btw. Think it will be a lively atmosphere and that's all)
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Wolves big club mentality! They shouldn't be getting 7k tickets. Apparently they will occupy the North Stand.
I'm sure they only get 10% of the capacity, so what's that...4,200ish?
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Is this game definitely on Wed 30th ?
The BBC and EFL sites both have the game listed as Tue 29th and Pravda doesn't list the game at all
The only place I can see 30th listed is the Tweet from avfcsupport about Season Card access
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This on the EFL Carabao Cup page...
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It's 100% on the Wednesday.
Villa confirmed it yesterday on Twitter after being asked
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Have they got 7000 fans?
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So if true we are denying more of our non season ticket holders the chance to go, as well as moving a lot of people to other parts of the ground together with the inevitable road closures and access issues on that side of the ground?
Utter madness if true but I'll wait for official confirmation rather than a bloody tweet.
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It's 100% on the Wednesday.
Villa confirmed it yesterday on Twitter after being asked
Beeb website has just updated as well
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So if true we are denying more of our non season ticket holders the chance to go, as well as moving a lot of people to other parts of the ground together with the inevitable road closures and access issues on that side of the ground?
Utter madness if true but I'll wait for official confirmation rather than a bloody tweet.
The club tweeted it along with information about what people with season tickets in the North stand should do. Seems pretty official.
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So if true we are denying more of our non season ticket holders the chance to go, as well as moving a lot of people to other parts of the ground together with the inevitable road closures and access issues on that side of the ground?
Utter madness if true but I'll wait for official confirmation rather than a bloody tweet.
The club tweeted it along with information about what people with season tickets in the North stand should do. Seems pretty official.
To be fair , I too have only seen a tweet/FB update saying all season ticket holders need to is turn up on the night their cards are activated. Nothing about North stand having to relocate.
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So if true we are denying more of our non season ticket holders the chance to go, as well as moving a lot of people to other parts of the ground together with the inevitable road closures and access issues on that side of the ground?
Utter madness if true but I'll wait for official confirmation rather than a bloody tweet.
The club tweeted it along with information about what people with season tickets in the North stand should do. Seems pretty official.
To be fair , I too have only seen a tweet/FB update saying all season ticket holders need to is turn up on the night their cards are activated. Nothing about North stand having to relocate.
It's happening 100%. Wolves have been given the whole North Stand.
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Have they got 7000 fans?
They seem to have 7,000 Incels on Twitter who troll the Villa hashtag on a daily basis
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The tweet also states that NS season ticket holders will be notified in due course what they need to do for wolves. I guess the majority will go where the away fans normally sit.
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Ok so it’s happening but does anyone know why ?
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What’s likelihood of this being on the box? I know there’s some decent games in this round but can sky show more than one game per night- maybe red button? They showed the penalty shootout at OT live after they had already had a live game on that night.
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Not sure. They would like to show both the Chelsea/Man U and Liverpool/Arsenal games I'm sure, but with three of those clubs playing the previous Sunday it seems likely that both will have to be on the Wednesday, scuppering said plans.
I don't think they have confirmed the TV games yet, possibly they were waiting for confirmation that Liverpool weren't going to be kicked out.
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What a rubbish idea to give them the whole stand. I don't reckon they'll even fill it.
Shove the fuckers in a dark corner with a restricted view and their stupid masks.
#levels my arse
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Seems Bananas giving that many tickets to our opponents when we don’t need to , as has been stated elsewhere on here if we had to give 4000 we could have given extra blocks in the Doug Ellis. This ranks with when we played Man Utd in the cup and gave them North Stand Lower and Doug Ellis lower . Absolutely Bananas 🍌
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Perhaps, for segregation purposes, it is too problematic to divide other stands in such a way.
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Perhaps, for segregation purposes, it is too problematic to divide other stands in such a way.
I'm sure that this is the logical answer but Villa do seem to have a way of over-complicating things when dealing with ticketing
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If you look at Stu Bladen (Villa WMP or some such) on twitter, he states that Wolves aren't getting 7k. Seems like the stand is being given to them but not 7k seats in it...
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How many seats in the Upper? Maybe they’ll get that and they’ll close the lower?
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How many seats in the Upper? Maybe they’ll get that and they’ll close the lower?
I could live with that. At least that would reduce the impact they can have on the game. They should at least be made to sell out the upper before they get any tickets in the lower.
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Not sure. They would like to show both the Chelsea/Man U and Liverpool/Arsenal games I'm sure, but with three of those clubs playing the previous Sunday it seems likely that both will have to be on the Wednesday, scuppering said plans.
I don't think they have confirmed the TV games yet, possibly they were waiting for confirmation that Liverpool weren't going to be kicked out.
Liverpool stiffs vs Arsenal stiffs is the predictable Sky pick for the Wednesday.
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At £10 a ticket, it seems such a waste to have 3000 empty seats. It's a game that would clearly sell out full capacity.
Somehow Villa need to come up with a flexible system that has minimum impact in order to accommodate away cup allocations and also to utilise seats on occasions when normal away allocations are not sold out.
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Not sure. They would like to show both the Chelsea/Man U and Liverpool/Arsenal games I'm sure, but with three of those clubs playing the previous Sunday it seems likely that both will have to be on the Wednesday, scuppering said plans.
I don't think they have confirmed the TV games yet, possibly they were waiting for confirmation that Liverpool weren't going to be kicked out.
Liverpool stiffs vs Arsenal stiffs is the predictable Sky pick for the Wednesday.
Seems like they are showing that AND Man U v Chelsea on the Wednesday, with no game Tuesday. The fanboy twats. Burton v Leicester is a much better cup tie.
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The TV will generally show the teams that get the higher viewing figures, that is why every FA cup game featuring Man Utd is shown on the telly.
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At £10 a ticket, it seems such a waste to have 3000 empty seats. It's a game that would clearly sell out full capacity.
Somehow Villa need to come up with a flexible system that has minimum impact in order to accommodate away cup allocations and also to utilise seats on occasions when normal away allocations are not sold out.
I posted earlier about this. Theres a simple solution used in plenty of grounds. We know what 10% of our stadium is. All they need to do is install roller shutters further along the concourses in the DE stand to accomodate an extra 1000 seats. Inside the ground a few empty rows of seats with netting on as a buffer zone. Add a few more stewards to control it. It really is that simple. As for the upcoming Wolves game i'm hearing a lot of those who normally create a great atmosphere next to the away section in the lower north kicking off about it. Another simple solution here. Why don't all those affected just get their seats in the lower Doug?
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At £10 a ticket, it seems such a waste to have 3000 empty seats. It's a game that would clearly sell out full capacity.
Somehow Villa need to come up with a flexible system that has minimum impact in order to accommodate away cup allocations and also to utilise seats on occasions when normal away allocations are not sold out.
I posted earlier about this. Theres a simple solution used in plenty of grounds. We know what 10% of our stadium is. All they need to do is install roller shutters further along the concourses in the DE stand to accomodate an extra 1000 seats. Inside the ground a few empty rows of seats with netting on as a buffer zone. Add a few more stewards to control it. It really is that simple. As for the upcoming Wolves game i'm hearing a lot of those who normally create a great atmosphere next to the away section in the lower north kicking off about it. Another simple solution here. Why don't all those affected just get their seats in the lower Doug?
It isn't that simple because of access to seats, segregation of concourses and emergency exits.
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At £10 a ticket, it seems such a waste to have 3000 empty seats. It's a game that would clearly sell out full capacity.
Somehow Villa need to come up with a flexible system that has minimum impact in order to accommodate away cup allocations and also to utilise seats on occasions when normal away allocations are not sold out.
I posted earlier about this. Theres a simple solution used in plenty of grounds. We know what 10% of our stadium is. All they need to do is install roller shutters further along the concourses in the DE stand to accomodate an extra 1000 seats. Inside the ground a few empty rows of seats with netting on as a buffer zone. Add a few more stewards to control it. It really is that simple. As for the upcoming Wolves game i'm hearing a lot of those who normally create a great atmosphere next to the away section in the lower north kicking off about it. Another simple solution here. Why don't all those affected just get their seats in the lower Doug?
It isn't that simple because of access to seats, segregation of concourses and emergency exits.
Segregation of concourses is simple. A set of roller shutters further along the concourse used only for such occasions. Some rejigging of catering amenities and toilet facilities might also be needed but again that would be straight forward. Access to seating wouldn't be affected. You come up at the nearest staircase and walk along until you get to the right block. That's the same as now. It really isn't a big deal to do it. Even the baggies can do it in the poxy Smethwick end. Numerous clubs have stands that can be altered on a match to match basis.
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The TV will generally show the teams that get the higher viewing figures, that is why every FA cup game featuring Man Utd is shown on the telly.
I understand (not necessarily accepting that I like it) that for broadcasters with ad ertising revenue to protect. The BBC though, choose ManUtd for cup games whenever they get a chance. The arseholes.
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I doubt they'll get better viewing figures in this case, anyway. Separate games on Tuesday and Wednesday would have been better in terms of total viewing figures, rather than splitting your audience on Wednesday.
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At £10 a ticket, it seems such a waste to have 3000 empty seats. It's a game that would clearly sell out full capacity.
Somehow Villa need to come up with a flexible system that has minimum impact in order to accommodate away cup allocations and also to utilise seats on occasions when normal away allocations are not sold out.
I posted earlier about this. Theres a simple solution used in plenty of grounds. We know what 10% of our stadium is. All they need to do is install roller shutters further along the concourses in the DE stand to accomodate an extra 1000 seats. Inside the ground a few empty rows of seats with netting on as a buffer zone. Add a few more stewards to control it. It really is that simple. As for the upcoming Wolves game i'm hearing a lot of those who normally create a great atmosphere next to the away section in the lower north kicking off about it. Another simple solution here. Why don't all those affected just get their seats in the lower Doug?
It isn't that simple because of access to seats, segregation of concourses and emergency exits.
Segregation of concourses is simple. A set of roller shutters further along the concourse used only for such occasions. Some rejigging of catering amenities and toilet facilities might also be needed but again that would be straight forward. Access to seating wouldn't be affected. You come up at the nearest staircase and walk along until you get to the right block. That's the same as now. It really isn't a big deal to do it. Even the baggies can do it in the poxy Smethwick end. Numerous clubs have stands that can be altered on a match to match basis.
Other stands may well have been built for such eventualities; that one wasn't. To give one example, it's not going to be very straightforward to alter toilet facilities for seats that are in the home section when the toilets (other facilities/emergency exits) are behind the rollershutters that can apparently be installed so easily.
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At £10 a ticket, it seems such a waste to have 3000 empty seats. It's a game that would clearly sell out full capacity.
Somehow Villa need to come up with a flexible system that has minimum impact in order to accommodate away cup allocations and also to utilise seats on occasions when normal away allocations are not sold out.
I posted earlier about this. Theres a simple solution used in plenty of grounds. We know what 10% of our stadium is. All they need to do is install roller shutters further along the concourses in the DE stand to accomodate an extra 1000 seats. Inside the ground a few empty rows of seats with netting on as a buffer zone. Add a few more stewards to control it. It really is that simple. As for the upcoming Wolves game i'm hearing a lot of those who normally create a great atmosphere next to the away section in the lower north kicking off about it. Another simple solution here. Why don't all those affected just get their seats in the lower Doug?
It isn't that simple because of access to seats, segregation of concourses and emergency exits.
Segregation of concourses is simple. A set of roller shutters further along the concourse used only for such occasions. Some rejigging of catering amenities and toilet facilities might also be needed but again that would be straight forward. Access to seating wouldn't be affected. You come up at the nearest staircase and walk along until you get to the right block. That's the same as now. It really isn't a big deal to do it. Even the baggies can do it in the poxy Smethwick end. Numerous clubs have stands that can be altered on a match to match basis.
Other stands may well have been built for such eventualities; that one wasn't. To give one example, it's not going to be very straightforward to alter toilet facilities for seats that are in the home section when the toilets (other facilities/emergency exits) are behind the rollershutters that can apparently be installed so easily.
Ive worked in construction for over 25 years. I know this can be done relatively easy. Costs may be a stumbling block or perhaps future development of the ground would make it a waste of money, time and effort. It's got to be better than giving them a whole stand behind the goals.
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Ive worked in construction for over 25 years. I know this can be done relatively easy. Costs may be a stumbling block or perhaps future development of the ground would make it a waste of money, time and effort. It's got to be better than giving them a whole stand behind the goals.
And are you also experienced in the licensing of football grounds? The stand's been like this since 1994 so I doubt it's something that hasn't been looked at previously.
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If it was straightforward, do you not think we'd just do it?
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Wolves have been allocated 5,300 tickets.
Not sure if that's just the upper tier or perhaps the upper tier and part of the normal away section?
1000 more than they're entitled to but hey ho.
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The whole North Stand holds 7086 not sure on the Upper to Lower split
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Roughly 4000 upper 3000 lower.
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Ive worked in construction for over 25 years. I know this can be done relatively easy. Costs may be a stumbling block or perhaps future development of the ground would make it a waste of money, time and effort. It's got to be better than giving them a whole stand behind the goals.
And are you also experienced in the licensing of football grounds? The stand's been like this since 1994 so I doubt it's something that hasn't been looked at previously.
No i'm not. But i'm pretty sure the club will have some experience in these matters.
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Ive worked in construction for over 25 years. I know this can be done relatively easy. Costs may be a stumbling block or perhaps future development of the ground would make it a waste of money, time and effort. It's got to be better than giving them a whole stand behind the goals.
And are you also experienced in the licensing of football grounds? The stand's been like this since 1994 so I doubt it's something that hasn't been looked at previously.
No i'm not. But i'm pretty sure the club will have some experience in these matters.
Exactly. As Lastfootstamper said, if it was that straightforward they'd have done it.
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Ive worked in construction for over 25 years. I know this can be done relatively easy. Costs may be a stumbling block or perhaps future development of the ground would make it a waste of money, time and effort. It's got to be better than giving them a whole stand behind the goals.
And are you also experienced in the licensing of football grounds? The stand's been like this since 1994 so I doubt it's something that hasn't been looked at previously.
No i'm not. But i'm pretty sure the club will have some experience in these matters.
Exactly. As Lastfootstamper said, if it was that straightforward they'd have done it.
I was only offering my opinion on the actual structural alterations that are possible if we're to avoid this situation in future. The regulations around emergency exits etc are not my forte. Perhaps we have architects or council officials amongst us who could enlighten us.
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I can remember when we didn’t think we could put the away fans in the Doug
every time it came up so we could have both ends the same people said ‘if it could be done we’d have done it’ and ‘it’s not l as easy as it seems’
then they just did it
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Pen
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It does seem that we are going to be 're-learning' lessons from this. It is a mistake to give the visiting fans a whole end of the ground. That is why they were shunted up to the top corner of the Witten Lane Stand. Has there been any explanation from the club for this change in thinking ?
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The club have tweeted that season ticket holders in the North Stand will need to relocate and that Wolves have taken their full allocation.
Confirmed now they've got all of the North Stand, between 6k and 7k.
Have you got a link for this? There's still not a peep about the game on the website, no emails regarding the game, nothing that I can see anyway.
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The club have tweeted that season ticket holders in the North Stand will need to relocate and that Wolves have taken their full allocation.
Confirmed now they've got all of the North Stand, between 6k and 7k.
Have you got a link for this? There's still not a peep about the game on the website, no emails regarding the game, nothing that I can see anyway.
Here:
https://twitter.com/AVFCSupport/status/1180141947958243334
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Ta. The wolves website was more helpful
4th October 2019
Tickets for Wolves’ Carabao Cup fourth round tie with Aston Villa are due to go on sale this Saturday.
Wolves have been allocated 5,326 tickets for the cup fixture
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It's because the Witton Lane stand has an incredible amount of steel in it. Be foolish to let 5300 tatters inside it, there would be nowt left but the asbestos.
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I'd be a bit pissed off if I was a season ticket holder in there.
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Me too to be fair. The rules should be "10% or 3,000, which ever is more, subject to section (b)".
Section (b) being you cant have more than your average home gate of the mid-80s if you happened to be so shite you were in the 4th division.
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Me too to be fair. The rules should be "10% or 3,000, which ever is more, subject to section (b)".
Section (b) being you cant have more than your average home gate of the mid-80s if you happened to be so shite you were in the 4th division.
Which in their case is 30,000.
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I can't wait to play a giant of European football like Wolves at Villa Park. It will be like 1983 and Barcelona and Juventus all over again. I think we could all be forgiven for buying half and half scarves on this occasion.
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Me too to be fair. The rules should be "10% or 3,000, which ever is more, subject to section (b)".
Section (b) being you cant have more than your average home gate of the mid-80s if you happened to be so shite you were in the 4th division.
Which in their case is 30,000.
They took 50,000 to their last final too.
#levels
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Ta. The wolves website was more helpful
4th October 2019
Tickets for Wolves’ Carabao Cup fourth round tie with Aston Villa are due to go on sale this Saturday.
Wolves have been allocated 5,326 tickets for the cup fixture
That sounds an odd figure. I think the lower holds around 2900. That means just over 4100 in the upper. So theyre not giving them just the upper and 5326 is around 1800 less than the full capacity. Wtf?
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I suspect there'll be a fair bit of netting in the upper and lower.
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Yep, I reckon we'll see empty rows on each side of the lower, similar to the space currently left next to the away fans in the Doug.
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Cant see the need for netting in the upper and guess they'll have a small section of the lower middle. Hope we let non attending season ticket holders release their seats easily as not much left for the rest of us.
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Still no details of when tickets go on sale for this or have I missed something?
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Wolves have just over 5,300
3 middle blocks of the upper / lower north with the others kept empty
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(https://i.ibb.co/kg3Qjjm/wolves.jpg)
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A scramble on Thursday for me to get one along with around 5-6k others I imagine!
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Can't see this making general sale.
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My nephew’s asked me to get him three tickets. ;D ;D ;D
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Got mine.
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Three in the old onion bag....eventually!
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Got mine.
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Just over 500 left. Over 400 of them in the ‘normal’ away section.
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I still think they should have done it so that season ticket holders had until a certain date to claim their seat and then they were sold after that. A lot of people are going to miss out on tickets yet there will be empty seats in the ground where season ticket holders couldn't make it.
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I still think they should have done it so that season ticket holders had until a certain date to claim their seat and then they were sold after that. A lot of people are going to miss out on tickets yet there will be empty seats in the ground where season ticket holders couldn't make it.
That would have been the sensible option.
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1 ticket left this am in c1 ! Have all of upper trinity been on sale too and sold out ?
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Does anyone know roughly how many are left for this? I need to get a couple when they go on sale to ST holders at 5pm today.
I also need to try and get an extra Wolves away ticket and guess when they go on sale to ST holders? 5pm today also!
This is really amateurish from the ticket office putting them both on sale at exactly the same time. It almost certainly means that if I’m able to get tickets for the home cup game, by the time I try for the away game, there will be none left.
You’d think that they would plan these things better for the supporters.
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1 left in C9 when I looked about an hour ago.
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FFS yes it’s sold out. Just checked. Very annoying that there’s Villa fans who can’t get tickets when we’ve allocated Wolves far more than they’re entitled to.
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FFS yes it’s sold out. Just checked. Very annoying that there’s Villa fans who can’t get tickets when we’ve allocated Wolves far more than they’re entitled to.
There's also probably going to be plenty of empty seats dotted around due to ST holders not going.
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Why? I struggle to see why season ticket holders are going to be boycotting a non-televised local derby when they all attended a televised Monday night game against West Ham.
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Why? I struggle to see why season ticket holders are going to be boycotting a non-televised local derby when they all attended a televised Monday night game against West Ham.
Because to many people the Premier League is all that matters.
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To pointless clubs like Watford, maybe. Not to us. We sold out all our tickets for about our last half dozen Championship games. We also had 40,000 in for West Brom, the last time we played a home cup game with similar levels of hype.
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Plus, we have a team that's bloody enjoyable to watch.
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Because our first FA Cup quarter final at home for more than half a century, against our oldest rivals, is exactly the same as a fourth round League Cup match between two reserve teams against opponents we fall over ourselves to say don't matter to us.
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Well I suppose we'll find out in due course. I reckon it will be rammed though.
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Why? I struggle to see why season ticket holders are going to be boycotting a non-televised local derby when they all attended a televised Monday night game against West Ham.
I suspect the fact that it's half-term week might also have an impact on some season-ticket holders - many will already be going away, or have other plans for the week. I can't imagine there being too many empty seats on the night however.
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Well I suppose we'll find out in due course. I reckon it will be rammed though.
It may well be, but I think there'll still be a lot who won't bother and as has been suggested, it would have been far better if season ticket holders had opt in to get their tickets.
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There will be 40,000+ there. It's a Villa game. There are always 40,000+ there.
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Sudden thought - maybe the extra tickets for Wolves fans is a quid pro quo for them agreeing to allow season tickets in for free and £10 for the rest?
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Sounds plausible. I thought it was more due to the difficulty of segregating them when you have to allow a minimum number which is greater than our usual allocation? So you may as well give them the extra seats as they'll be empty otherwise.
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Sounds plausible. I thought it was more due to the difficulty of segregating them when you have to allow a minimum number which is greater than our usual allocation? So you may as well give them the extra seats as they'll be empty otherwise.
I've no idea, but either is possible.
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Sounds plausible. I thought it was more due to the difficulty of segregating them when you have to allow a minimum number which is greater than our usual allocation? So you may as well give them the extra seats as they'll be empty otherwise.
I've no idea, but either is possible.
As I understand it, even though Villa are allowing ST holders in for free, the league still require Villa to declare these seats as paid for, as per equivalent prices elsewhere in the ground. Furthermore, away fans must be charged the same as home fans for similar areas. By allowing ST holders in for free, there is no incentive for Villa to charge paying home or away fans a great deal. This is because the more that is charged, the more we have to cough up for the free spaces.
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Since moving up north I haven’t made it to weekday games at Villa Park, despite having a season ticket, but have made an exception for this Wolves Cup game.
It has entailed booking a city centre hotel & having to be on a 6.15am train the following morning to get into work in time - but the fixture is exciting for me so I’m on my way!
So if I’m anything to go by maybe more season ticket holders than usual will turn up!
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I do wonder if we might get another Swansea style fudge with a virtually full house and a declaration that the crowd was actually only thirty thousand...
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Why? I struggle to see why season ticket holders are going to be boycotting a non-televised local derby when they all attended a televised Monday night game against West Ham.
'Boycotting' is a bit of a strong word cd. It'll be a game in a secondary cup competition with plenty of reserves playing.
ST holders should have had to opt-in by a given date and the spare tickets put on sale.
EDIT - as the Head Dave has already said
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Seems unnecessary. And it's inevitable that the system would have crashed and people would have moaned that they couldn't get a ticket. It'll be near a full house. I see no reason why any more will be unable to attend this game than were unable to make a televised Monday night game against West Ham near peak holiday season. You always get a few missing who have made other plans, but I doubt it will be any more than for our league games. And I don't think we will see too many reserves, either.
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Given how many season ticket holders and members we have now, I'd speculate that to be in with a shout of Wembley tickets you're going to have to at the very least turn up for home ties.
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I think there will be loads of empty seats. Some people just don't care about cup matches and some people won't be able to make it with it being a week game and won't bother to give their ticket to somebody else. Look at the FA Cup match against Swansea in January- that was free for ST holders and sold out but there were was nowhere near 40k there. Very frustrating that the club couldn't come up with a system but where you had to claim your seat, as we'd have easily sold out still.
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I think there will be loads of empty seats. Some people just don't care about cup matches and some people won't be able to make it with it being a week game and won't bother to give their ticket to somebody else. Look at the FA Cup match against Swansea in January- that was free for ST holders and sold out but there were was nowhere near 40k there. Very frustrating that the club couldn't come up with a system but where you had to claim your seat, as we'd have easily sold out still.
It usually happens for cup games, you have until a certain date to claim your seat and if you don't it's then put on sale. It's not rocket science and as you say would have seen a complete sell out still as I've seen lots of fans asking for spare tickets and saying they couldn't get one. Now there will be 3k-4k unnecessary empty seats in the ground I reckon.
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What is to stop people claiming their seat in advance, not knowing at that point whether they would actually be going or not? I would certainly claim my seat if it was free and then cross the bridge of deciding whether to go nearer the time.
As a side issue, I think this game is a bit different. It's got a bit of needle given the mouthing off that Wolves have been doing over the past 2 years. Our reserves are better than last seasons first team. The football we are playing is exciting and there are a few players that people will want to have the opportunity of watching for the first time. I don't think there will be that many empty seats.
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Another sold out game
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I see it as a free hit , yes I do want us to give it large to their fat gobs but as long as we get something a week and a half later at the custard bowl all good
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I'd love to beat those gobby twats, twice.
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I'd love to beat those gobby twats, twice.
Thrice.
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Just seen the sold out sign on the Official website I'm looking forward it.
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ESPN+ USA are now listed as broadcasting the game. Excellent news for those struggling to get tickets, long-distance supporters etc.
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Can't make this now so I have 2 tickets for sale in Doug Ellis, Area P2, Row MM - £20 the pair.
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I see they were singing about us again tonight. I can't wait until we get back into Europe so we can sing about Wolves.
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I see they were singing about us again tonight. I can't wait until we get back into Europe so we can sing about Wolves.
What were they singing? They haven’t stooped to the level of the Stripey’s & B-lose singing SOTV have they ?
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Can't make this now so I have 2 tickets for sale in Doug Ellis, Area P2, Row MM - £20 the pair.
Have you sold these? I am after 2 after missing out on membership sales...
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Can't make this now so I have 2 tickets for sale in Doug Ellis, Area P2, Row MM - £20 the pair.
Now sold
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Is it on TV in the UK?
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Nah.