Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: SoccerHQ on September 22, 2019, 06:33:34 PM
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1 nil up, Arsenal down to 10 in first half- lose.
0-0 v West Ham with 25 minutes left, stays 0-0.
WBA. Brunt off and we have whole of extra time to score a goal. Can't and luckily we take better penalties so it's all forgotten.
Forest 5-5. Were 5-4 up I think when Forest had guy sent off, couldn't hold onto the lead.
Play off final- Fulham down to ten men for last 25 minutes, can't score and nearly go out of business as a result.
Home to Boro 17/18- Adama sent off after three minutes, finishes 0-0.
11/12, last home game of McLeish. 1 up v Spurs and Danny Rose sent off for lunge. We spent rest of match camped near our own box and are clinging onto 1-1.
Man. United, home in Feb 2010. Nani sent off after 20 minutes, remains 1-1 and they looked more likely to win that game.
Sure there's a few other examples I can't recall at this point in last decade when we've had decent chunk of game v top 10 and haven't won.
Worst thing for me is we have players with pace and skill which is what you need to keep ball v 10 men but seems we go to pot constantly under so many different managers when the game is there to be won.
I thought Monday night in last 20 v West Ham was schoolboy stuff of just charging into the middle of pitch at every opportunity but this today might've been even worse particularly as the manager had options to change it and get us over the line.
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It has to be a training exercise at Bodymoor now surely.
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Can't we just ask referees not to send off opposition players?
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I can feel my asshole twitch any time I see our opponents have gone down to 10 men. It almost always inevitably means we become more defensive, have less of the fucking ball and just lose a grip on the game. It's a pain.
On the flipside, we go down to 10 and we're often hopeless.
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I can feel my asshole twitch any time I see our opponents have gone down to 10 men. It almost always inevitably means we become more defensive, have less of the fucking ball and just lose a grip on the game. It's a pain.
On the flipside, we go down to 10 and we're often hopeless.
Yep see what happened v Palace. Ten minute spell after Trez red card, Palace must've had 8 or 9 corners and eventually the goal occurred.
Still got away with the late goal but they ramped things up straight after red card. We certainly look clueless with what to do when it happens. I know we won away at Rotherham with ten but they are a mid table league 1 side at the minute.
For it to happen in 5-6 games in last three seasons and we don't win any is just really poor.
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Our forward players have been the guilty parties. How many times have El Ghazi, Trezeguet, Jota fired limply at the opposition keeper?
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Think there are primarily two difference types of game that you reference there that illustrate two different key areas that we need to improve on even discounting sending offs::
West Ham/West Brom/Boro/Fulham - our inability to create good chances against teams that defence well (and generally with a deep block)
Man U/Spurs/Arsenal - our lack of composure and poor ball retention that allow us to relive pressure (and then counter well against teams that will still be strong with 10 men)
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You should count in Palace. We go to 10 and lose the match.
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Is Ipswich away last season another one?
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Is Ipswich away last season another one?
Well remembered! That was a bad one as Ipswich were complete rubbish last season so not beating them with 10 took some effort.
As a Brucie bonus you can get a seat with a button on Saturday that will allow you to make a sub past the 70th minute when we're clinging to a 1-0 lead and half our players are dead....
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It’s interesting (ironic?) that it’s when we went down to ten men ourselves against Rotherham that Dean made the change both early and in system that lead to us taking the game to them and a massively improved performance in the second half.
That, admittedly, ignores the recent Palace game - but that was a complete shit show from start to finish no matter how many players we had.
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It’s interesting (ironic?) that it’s when we went down to ten men ourselves against Rotherham that Dean made the change both early and in system that lead to us taking the game to them and a massively improved performance in the second half.
That, admittedly, ignores the recent Palace game - but that was a complete shit show from start to finish no matter how many players we had.
Rotherham are mid table in league 1 now so think it was more the vast gulf in quality for that one.
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How can it be a "CLUB THING" when it has happened across different teams, managers and players?
Maybe if you are Burnley you should start with 10 on Saturday :o
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We beat the Albion in the 1st leg, but we were already winning by that point.
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That's what gets to me when supporters can see the team flagging after half time but he waits until they score before making changes.
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Bloke behind me yesterday screamed 'stab 'em in the throat!' when we were taking the game to them just after HT. Whilst the use of words was slightly unfortunate, the principle remains - we need to punish teams for their errors, but time after time we are more likely to perform like we owe them a favour. In other words, we need to grow a pair.
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We were all over them at the start of the 2nd half.
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I thought this might be a what do you do now?
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We were all over them at the start of the 2nd half.
This is true but as someone previously pointed out our players seem to go into some kind of "limp mode" in these situations when given clear cut goal scoring chances. Trez and El Ghazi both had golden chances spoiled by a piss poor attempt straight at the keeper. It seems like a theme when we have superior numbers. All huff and puff to get chances but we lack a ruthless streak to put teams to the sword. It's so frustrating.
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1 nil up, Arsenal down to 10 in first half- lose.
0-0 v West Ham with 25 minutes left, stays 0-0.
WBA. Brunt off and we have whole of extra time to score a goal. Can't and luckily we take better penalties so it's all forgotten.
Forest 5-5. Were 5-4 up I think when Forest had guy sent off, couldn't hold onto the lead.
Play off final- Fulham down to ten men for last 25 minutes, can't score and nearly go out of business as a result.
Home to Boro 17/18- Adama sent off after three minutes, finishes 0-0.
11/12, last home game of McLeish. 1 up v Spurs and Danny Rose sent off for lunge. We spent rest of match camped near our own box and are clinging onto 1-1.
Man. United, home in Feb 2010. Nani sent off after 20 minutes, remains 1-1 and they looked more likely to win that game.
Sure there's a few other examples I can't recall at this point in last decade when we've had decent chunk of game v top 10 and haven't won.
Worst thing for me is we have players with pace and skill which is what you need to keep ball v 10 men but seems we go to pot constantly under so many different managers when the game is there to be won.
I thought Monday night in last 20 v West Ham was schoolboy stuff of just charging into the middle of pitch at every opportunity but this today might've been even worse particularly as the manager had options to change it and get us over the line.
I’m impressed you can remember all this!
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In all the years I've been watching the Villa I can't recall a single time we've battered the opposition if they've had a player sent off. Although, I'm pretty sure we must have at some point since the 70's
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What do you think would happen, if the oppo were down to 9 men?
This could have happened vs West spam if noble had got his 2nd yellow for simulation. Didn't it happen vs newcastle some time ago and if so, did we win the game, I can't remember?
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On the flipside, we go down to 10 and we're often hopeless.
The exception being Rotherham which was an iconic performance.
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What do you think would happen, if the oppo were down to 9 men?
This could have happened vs West spam if noble had got his 2nd yellow for simulation. Didn't it happen vs newcastle some time ago and if so, did we win the game, I can't remember?
Newcastle finished with 8 in that game with the Bowyer and Dyer fight. Was right at the end and we were already 3-0 up though.
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A side can go down to 7 players and the game carries on. The Battle of Bramall Lane was abandoned when Sheff Utd went down to 6 players.
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On the flipside, we go down to 10 and we're often hopeless.
The exception being Rotherham which was an iconic performance.
Hate to say it but Sunday made me think of that game and the fact that this season we're Rotherham and Arsenal are us. If that makes any sense.
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In all the years I've been watching the Villa I can't recall a single time we've battered the opposition if they've had a player sent off. Although, I'm pretty sure we must have at some point since the 70's
Against Sunderland in 2013 in the 6-1 battering? Although weren’t we already 5-1 up?
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Blackburn ..semi final second leg 2010
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Against Forest we were 4-3 down at the time of the sending-off.
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We're getting even worse.
Opponents who are below us down to 10 and they shouldn't be getting within 10 yards of our box. Instead we concede a penalty within five minutes and then crumble.
With likes of Mings out this team has no personality.
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Villa beat 10 man brighton this season that cannot be forgetten 2-1