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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Toronto Villa on September 16, 2019, 07:01:12 PM
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We go again. A buzzing Villa Park night. We need a win and if we do the world will feel so much better. UTV
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Win please Villa, good luck Marvelous. Surprised Douglas doesn’t start
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Bit of a surprise Marvelous gets the start but can't argue with the rest. Come on Villa!!
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Countdown conundrum
ACTUALFUCKTHEWHAT
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Douglas is probably knackered.
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El Ghazi? Like starting with 10 men.
Marvelous? He must have really impressed in training. I'm another surprised Douglas (and Conor) doesn’t start.
Oh well, we'll soon find out if Dean has got it right.
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Douglas is probably knackered.
From what?
Not in agreement with Smith playing this formation again. Think our three will be outnumbered once again in midfield and will force a lot of route one football up to Wesley.
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Douglas is probably knackered.
From what?
Not in agreement with Smith playing this formation again. Think our three will be outnumbered once again in midfield and will force a lot of route one football up to Wesley.
Captained the Brazil youth team during the break.
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Massive round of applause for Gary Neville, excellent work in the studio talking about teams playing out from the back.
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El Ghazi has had his kick up the arse so hopefully he's better tonight.
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Douglas is probably knackered.
From what?
Not in agreement with Smith playing this formation again. Think our three will be outnumbered once again in midfield and will force a lot of route one football up to Wesley.
I'm guessing West Ham will have the same formation as us looking at their line up.
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To be fair that’s a pretty strong bench Spam have. We still have some catching up to do
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What a crap start.... need changes soon
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Well had to have a fiver on Mings for first goal at 50/1.
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I’m ok with that. AEG deserves a start as our only proper wide player.
Nakamba presumable picked on merit.
Let’s fucking do this.
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Well pissed off we aren't winning yet, have a word Smith!
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Is Targett injured as he's not even on the bench?
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Shit pass.
Yes Targett injured.
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anyone in North America have any tips on how to watch online?
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In a pub in rural Somerset and the only other person in here watching is a fucking nose who’s let me know already he’s a Blues fan but tonight is a West Ham fan. I’m keeping my powder dry for a bit.
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And we're off.
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The West Ham manager is 66 today.
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Fucking hell. Neil Taylor made a forward pass!!
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Come on Villa, get into them. Well done Wesley.
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In a pub in rural Somerset and the only other person in here watching is a fucking nose who’s let me know already he’s a Blues fan but tonight is a West Ham fan. I’m keeping my powder dry for a bit.
Offer to buy him a drink. Take the empty glass to the gents . Job done.
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Dangerous.
Marvelous neat and tidy so far.
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We need sign someone called Dangerous as well
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Jakc playing well, Wez should have scored.
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Brilliant cross, Jack looking good so far, much more positive.
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Sloppy passing is again a concern tonight. We just can't afford to keep giving it away
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Jesus, Now TV is worse than a crappy stream for picture quality.
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SJM should have been booked for a blatant dive there ;) :D
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Jota is just too slow.
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West Ham do put some nice moves together
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That should be looked at as red
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Their left back is lucky that's only yellow, nasty challenge.
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Jota has been poor, needs to be stronger or sharper.
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Jota is just too slow.
And a bit weak
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Dangerous.
Marvelous neat and tidy so far.
I take it back. Sloppy twat.
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2 times poor MN...
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West Ham's two full backs are very average
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They look much more assured here.
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Jack booked
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Ridiculous booking
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Noble is a twat and always has been.
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Yellow card for Mark Noble is Wank.
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The ref could have just had a word with Jack. He didn't have to book him. I don't understand why refs choose to paint themselves into a corner in that respect.
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Nakamba looks reasonably tidy on the ball, aside from a couple of sloppy passes. What he adds defensively i'm not so sure so far.
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El Ghazi is playing then.
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That FK was fucking shit.
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I think that yet again Jack is playing too deep
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Dreadful corner and free kick back to back. We’ve got to stop over using short set pieces.
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We need to score. *Opens 4th Stella*
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Jack has put two or three lovely crosses in now.
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Dreadful corner and free kick back to back. We’ve got to stop over using short set pieces.
We have players 6'2, 6'3' 6'4 and 6'5 in the box. Put it in and see what happens!! Waste.
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AEG having a go at Mings.
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We need to score. *Opens 4th Stella*
I’m on my second pint listening on wm. Ming the merciless rounding on el ghazi
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Mings having a right go at El Ghazi there. He deserved it.
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What's El Ghazi doing.
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AEG having a go at Mings.
Twattish head in the face. He's a bit lucky there with this arse Ref.
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Sort it out Villa!
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Fucks sake we’ve gone a bit shit.
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AEG lucky not to be off https://twitter.com/CIinicaITorress/status/1173682352972845068
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Joys looks like he’s running through cement. He contributes nothing
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We are our own worst enemy
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Noble takes a dive.
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Given our last game Noble should be off.
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El Ghazi is a bit of a liability at the moment.
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Noble, what a cu*t
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Noble is an awful prick.
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Fuck me a ¼ of the Trinity have gone for chips
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Love Wesley's passion.
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AEG lucky not to be off https://twitter.com/CIinicaITorress/status/1173682352972845068
Yes, it looks even worse in that close up. Noble could have walked as well. The next player who pushes his luck with this ref could go.
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I'm gonna say it. Wesley really pisses me off.*
*He'll go score now.
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Awesome crossing from gilby
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Fabianski saves from SJM
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That's poor from Wesley to be offside there. He was looking right along the line
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I like Jota but he's definitely not a wide player.
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And Wesley offside there blocking SJM's shot.
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That's poor from Wesley to be offside there. He was looking right along the line
Yep.
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Shit atmosphere on TV.
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Jota gets pushed off the ball far too easily
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HT
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I think we had the better of that half. West ham are neat and tidy but when we pass it well, we are sharp.
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Not impressed with Jota.
Nakamba meh so far.
El Ghazi I’d forgotten was playing until the 35th minute.
Someone needs to get a grip of this game.
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I quite enjoyed that...It wasn't stressful anyway.
I think we need two up front, and Hourihane on for Jota.
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Not great, need to be much stronger.
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Mings and Engels have been excellent again. It's worrying how easily the away team is finding space between midfield and defence though.
Jack has put in some good balls and Jota has grown into it. Nakamba looks decent on the ball, but not particularly strong defensively. SJM has ran and ran like always.
El Ghazi has been a joke, both going forwards and backwards.
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Time to shuffle that midfield deck for me.
As many have said, Jota is no winger, Grealish is playing too deep, and El Ghazi has been anonymous.
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I quite enjoyed that...It wasn't stressful anyway.
I think we need two up front, and Hourihane on for Jota.
Anytime we're not 3 up with 5 minutes left is stressful mate.
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Luiz on please
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I quite enjoyed that...It wasn't stressful anyway.
I think we need two up front, and Hourihane on for Jota.
My thoughts exactly, we need to try and win this.
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We are holding our own, but Wesley needs to do much better with his finishing, hold-up play and not being offside.
Noble should have been sent off too, the cheating twat.
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Listening on 5 Live. Sounds a bizarre first half.
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Lanzini looks a very good player for them.
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So. Question. Var will check if penalty, but if dive? They can't use to book??
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Just before Jota crossed and El Ghazi got clattered by their keeper, Wesley was making exactly the same run as he dd when he scored against Everton but for some reason Jota didn't make the pass. Then he gave it away just before half time in our half putting us under pressure. Not his best game, I'd like to see Lansbury on for the second half.
Fair play to Tyrone, don't know what El Ghazi was thinking about squaring up against him.
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So. Question. Var will check if penalty, but if dive? They can't use to book??
I think that's right.
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I think we need to bring on Conor and play 4-2-3-1 (Jota off)
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Luiz on for AEG.
Two holding with Grealish and Jota playing wide and drifting in
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Think people are too harsh on Wesley
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Our passing's been shite. Wes needs to stop wrestling.
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I thought the longer the half went on West Spam were dominating more, it will be interesting to see if Dean is going to make changes at half time.
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El Ghazi has to be off at HT surely. Smith and Terry both looked well pissed off with him.
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Pretty even, though we had the better chance. Need better from our wide men, though with Jota cutting inside works well for Freddy. Wesley needs to hold it up better to help Jack and McGinn further up the pitch.
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So. Question. Var will check if penalty, but if dive? They can't use to book??
Correct, a dive isn't something VAR is used for, apart from if a penalty challenge is reviewed by VAR they can say no pen but there won't be a booking for the dive.
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I thought we did okay. We should be beating teams like West Ham.
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Thankfully VAR is pretty useless otherwise we'd be down to 10.
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For me, shows why the formation (again) is wrong. We need to get a gold of midfield and that means 2 strong DM (Marvelous +) instead of the luxury of 2 players (AEG/Jota) who flit about not offering much in midfield.
I really hope Dean sees this soon because it could make a huge difference to our season especially against the better, more established PL sides.
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Centre backs look good, Heaton nothing to do really. Tragically bad down the left, Jota slow and lightweight but can pick a pass. Guilbert really creative for a fullback but gets caught high up the pitch on occasion. McGinn and Nakamba look good and Nakamba already looks more solid in defensive mid than Douglas or Connor. They just need to play the sensible ball at times rather than taking a risk trying to break us away ending up giving it back to the opposition. Grealish not doing a fat lot, he's a player that needs his space to thrive which he won't get in the PL. Wesley doing as well as can be expected up there on his own apart from some iffy finishing. Love to see him with a partner.
Sub suggestion: Douglas for El Ghazi with Grealish going left and Douglas attacking midfield.
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Dvais for EG, soon for me.
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Thankfully VAR is pretty useless otherwise we'd be down to 10.
We're normally down to 10 when El Ghazi plays. He hasn't been too bad so far.
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I think the fact that WH are further in their development than Villa is evident from the smoothness which they go forward but we are seeing some good breaks of our own and have probably looked more like actually scoring.
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I quite enjoyed that...It wasn't stressful anyway.
I think we need two up front, and Hourihane on for Jota.
Anytime we're not 3 up with 5 minutes left is stressful mate.
Very true, mate!
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Wake up Villa. Started the half sloppy.
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SJM down
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Neil Taylor is still shit.
Stamp on SJM there.
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And he's back up the play acting girl.
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We look not very good really. Agree that we're probably set up to play the wrong way, we need to be unlocking players like SJM and Grealish, not AEG and Jota who are bang average for me.
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A header on target from Taylor. Wrong end!!
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Grealish dribble, Taylor header, keeper saves smartly. Shame that was all at the wrong end.
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Jack still trying to look too clever.
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So. Question. Var will check if penalty, but if dive? They can't use to book??
Correct, that's why Friend had to blow before we scored to book Grealish.
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That was better
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Good effort from SJM. Nice play from Villa.
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We look not very good really. Agree that we're probably set up to play the wrong way, we need to be unlocking players like SJM and Grealish, not AEG and Jota who are bang average for me.
Case in point just now.
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Neil Taylor is still shit.
Nonsense, he's hardly put a foot wrong so far.
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Don't want be too negative, but Jota, AEG and Taylor don't quite do it for me, three very important positions if you want to win games.
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Super Jack with the block from Rice.
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Neil Taylor is still shit.
Nonsense, he's hardly put a foot wrong so far.
You can't get away with a player as limited as Taylor at this level. Jota is another miles out of his depth
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Super Jack with the block from Rice.
Super Jack was responsible for giving the ball away to begin with.
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Jota is too slow.
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Don't want be too negative, but Jota, AEG and Taylor don't quite do it for me, three very important positions if you want to win games.
This.
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AEG had a very good effort there, just a bit too close to the keeper.
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Don't want be too negative, but Jota, AEG and Taylor don't quite do it for me, three very important positions if you want to win games.
I think Jota and AEG are luxury players and I don't think we can accommodate both of them successfully.
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Jota is too slow.
Certainly too slow to play out wide
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Super Jack with the block from Rice.
Super Jack was responsible for giving the ball away to begin with.
Trying a bit too hard and dropping too deep. But by far our best player tonight
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Great defending Marvelous.
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Why does Wesley keep going down at the slightest of pressure from his marker? Is he not used to playing a physical game? Either way he needs to wake up and realise when the refs are not giving him soft ones. Stay on your bloody feet man.
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He did quite well against Everton, but aside from that Wesley has been a big pile of turd.
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Super Jack with the block from Rice.
Super Jack was responsible for giving the ball away to begin with.
Trying a bit too hard and dropping too deep. But by far our best player tonight
More like the Jack we know.
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Jota has largely been really poor.
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Super Jack with the block from Rice.
Super Jack was responsible for giving the ball away to begin with.
Trying a bit too hard and dropping too deep. But by far our best player tonight
Keeps dropping too deep - has been a constant in games so far - we are playing the wrong formation. Dean needs to strengthen behind and stop playing 2 similar players in Jota and SJG
Its so obvious .....grrr
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Jota has largely been really poor.
Well Brentford and especially sha can't afford to pay a living wage.
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Elmo for Jota.
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Elmo coming on.
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It's funny. It's not been a bad team performance. But those who are either too slow or playing out of position are costing us opportunities.
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Wesley has to do more
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Worried about Fornals for them as he's a good player.
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Need more control in midfield.
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Is there a sensible way to get Marvelous and Douglas in the side? They seem to have more ability than AEG, Jota, etc.
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Is there a sensible way to get Marvelous and Douglas in the side? They seem to have more ability than AEG, Jota, etc.
I'd play them both as staggered DMs tbh.
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West Ham are getting on top in midfield.
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West Ham down to 10
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Off you ******!
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Sending off. This referee really does love a card.
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Red!!
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Mosuako off for them
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Game on ;D
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Could that ****** Alan Smith be any more anti-Villa? Wanker.
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Now, can we actually score a fucking goal?
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Harsh IMO.
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Mosuako off for them
That's why I said down to 10 as I had no idea how to spell it either!
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Bollox! We're always shite against 10 men.
10 x 10. Come on Villa!
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Elmo coming on right midfield...to give more creativity I guess... The kind of change Steve Bruce would have got pelters for
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Pretty harsh red that.
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Get Davis on now !!!!!!
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We need to take advantage of our one man advantage now. Soft sending off but West Ham had it coming in general.
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That was an awful decision in all fairness. Probably wasn't even a foul
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The kind of change Steve Bruce would have got pelters for
And rightly so the useless twat.
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Elmo coming on right midfield...to give more creativity I guess... The kind of change Steve Bruce would have got pelters for
Who else is there?
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In a pub in rural Somerset and the only other person in here watching is a fucking nose who’s let me know already he’s a Blues fan but tonight is a West Ham fan. I’m keeping my powder dry for a bit.
How’ve you been getting on with your acting WHU supporter?
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Mike Dean gets to be centre of attention again.
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Smith absolutely needs to change our shape if we're to take advantage here.
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I think it was a foul but not a yellow, but given his first was a borderline red he can't have too many complaints, and Noble is lucky to still be on as well.
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In a pub in rural Somerset and the only other person in here watching is a fucking nose who’s let me know already he’s a Blues fan but tonight is a West Ham fan. I’m keeping my powder dry for a bit.
How’ve you been getting on with your acting WHU supporter?
He fucked off 10 minutes ago muttering some old bollocks about how unfair everything was.
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Could that c*** Alan Smith be any more anti-Villa? Wanker.
I thought he was a Villa fan.
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Well since the sending off we look like the side with 10
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Soft red. Lucky here. Need to make this a win.
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You can see we are not used to the pace of the Premier League. All our players seem to want too long on the ball and they're constantly under more pressure because of it.
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Fantastic defending from Mings.
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We make life hard for ourselves
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What an awful cross.
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If Dean doesn't make an attacking change now you'd have to wonder what he's seeing...
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No teeth.
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This is poor. Need better from centre mid.
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We don't remotely look like scoring, even against 10 men
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No teeth.
Gum again?
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We have to be better on the ball. Second balls seem to be dropping to West Ham.
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Someone get a fucking grip of this game.
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Lansbury and Davis on, for me. Please.
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We don't remotely look like scoring, even against 10 men
I agree.
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We’re producing fuck all. No control in midfield.
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Lansbury and Davis on, for me. Please.
No wonder we're struggling if you're posting on here while playing.
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Shut up Smith, you miserablist
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Smith absolutely needs to change our shape if we're to take advantage here.
This x 1000
Luiz and Hourihane
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We make life hard for ourselves
Shockingly so.
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Mings booked.
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Stupid foul.
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We seem to have no energy tonight. Almost as if its our 4th game in 10 days, rather than having had over 2 weeks off
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Grealish's final ball has been really poor.
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Come on Dean 15 minutes to change this.
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It's a good job we are playing against 10 men.
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Why are we always so shite against 10 men. We actually look worse
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Awful stuff, who has 10 men?
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This has been truly abysmal since the sending off
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How much do these fuckers earn to pass a ball?
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I’m afraid Jack needs to come off, he’s ha OMG a mare. Any of Conor, Ang or Doug could be doing better
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Davis!!!!!!!!!
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An unenjoyable second half so far. Come on Villa! Get Davis on.
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This is fucking shite!
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Marv off, Luiz on.
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Luiz on.
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Odd one. We need legs up front really.
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This is fucking shite!
Succinct and to the point.
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One up front at home against 10 men!
Marvellous off. WTF
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Both subs have been like for like, do we only have one way of playing?
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We aren’t adapting well to prem at mo
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Nakamba looked tired, perfectly sensible change. If he can get a grip in midfield we'll benefit massively.
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Naive or what.
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Silly foul by Luiz.
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Luiz's first real contribution is to give away a needless free.
Great.
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Fucking headless Johnsons since the red card.
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Davis!!!!!!!!!
Red card
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We suck.
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"We'll learn from that late goal against ten men in the Prem"
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Davis on for Freddy
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This has been the most worrying game so far for me. We appear to have the square root of fuck all going forward.
January is a long way away
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"We'll learn from that late goal against ten men in the Prem"
Grrrrrrrrr
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Davis on finally.
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El Ghazi really is a good Championship player at best.
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El Ghazi really is a good Championship player at best.
Yeah. No invention here.
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El Ghazi is the footballing equivalent of a black hole.
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Chance missed
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Jack.................... Why.
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This has been the most worrying game so far for me. We appear to have the square root of fuck all going forward.
You missed the palace game?
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That sums up Jacks game tonight poor.
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That sums up Jacks game tonight poor.
Very. He looks way off.
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Why the fuck is Wesley shooting there?
Fucking braindead
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AEG lucky not to be off https://twitter.com/CIinicaITorress/status/1173682352972845068
No longer available.
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Fuck fuckety fuck x 10 we are shit
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Do I 'beat the traffic' or stay for the winner?
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Poor. Piss poor. Very fucking poor.
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Do I 'beat the traffic' or stay for the winner?
Are u there??
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We are shit just now. Pure shit.
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Do I 'beat the traffic' or stay for the winner?
Stay
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3 mins added time
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No but I want my bed.
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FFS Grealish, play the simple pass.
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Yeah. We'll score from a corner.
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Davis looks a better player than Wesley to me.
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Davis looks a better player than Wesley to me.
Does the basics much better for sure.
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Wesley you fucking lump!
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Dean just did us a huge favour I feel.
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FT
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Grealish is an average premiership player. Nothing more.
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Fucking crap performance
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I doubt Jack will ever have as bad a game as this again
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Sweeeeert fuuuuuuuuk allll!
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I doubt Jack will ever have as bad a game as this again
That was his best game this season.
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We are defo improving but need more
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Grealish is an average premiership player. Nothing more.
Fuck off delusinal!!!!!
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I'd have taken a point at half time as we were playing without any zip or purpose, too many players had an off night.
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We need a genuinely different option up front and on the wing. We are too predictable
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Not sure why Hourihane wasn't brought in when chasing the winner. It was too late by the time they went down to ten, we looked absolutely knackered and didn't really see the benefit of the extra man. Very concerning how blunt we look in attack.
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Wesley continues to disappoint.