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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: PeterWithesShin on August 27, 2019, 09:46:45 PM
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Like all other first team players he deserves his own thread. Well done young man.
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Still only 17.
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The new adopted son of H&V
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He's an exciting prospect, isn't he?
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Showed some nice touches, always went looking for the ball. Promising debut. Well done H&V's Cameron Archer!
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Chuffed for you Lee.
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Absolutely overjoyed.
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Great stuff Lee. Very proud for you.
Only 17 wow.
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Great to have a prospect breaking through at such a young age. Credit to you Lee.
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Great to have a prospect breaking through at such a young age. Credit to you Lee.
He is a credit to his parents.
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Like I posted in the match thread. Under new management, ain't it grand? We just know that Deano will make this kid a good un.
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Apologies for being uninformed - what's the connection, Leeg? Great to see the lad get on tonight.
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Apologies for being uninformed - what's the connection, Leeg? Great to see the lad get on tonight.
Leeg is his Obi-Wan
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He had pace to burn and great tenacity
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Fantastic for all concerned! Let's hope this is the first of hundreds of games for The Villa.👍
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Apologies for being uninformed - what's the connection, Leeg? Great to see the lad get on tonight.
I taught him regularly and he was in my school football team from the age of 4-11.
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I hope to see Cam make our opponents quiver in the near future.
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Bet your well chuffed Legion? That’s brilliant news and what a superb period in time for him to break through. It’s a really exciting and positive place now, Everyone seems to be loving life at Villa. Perfect timing for any young lad to be involved with the club.
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One more body to put pressure on the others. Competition for places is healthy for the club. I hope he takes his chance and, if I may, Brummifies the club further.
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Apologies for being uninformed - what's the connection, Leeg? Great to see the lad get on tonight.
I taught him regularly and he was in my school football team from the age of 4-11.
Oh, wow! Made up for you! Yeah - great time to be an emerging young player at the club. Hope he gets some game-time this season!
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Great stuff Legion. Well done.
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Magnificent Brumification.
That’s got to be album title, if he’s not already playing for Zimbabwe Under 21s?
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Carry on living the dream Cameron. We are all behind you
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I hope to see Cam make our opponents quiver in the near future.
I see your point. A feather in your cap for that one.
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I hope to see Cam make our opponents quiver in the near future.
I see your point. A feather in your cap for that one.
Yes, take a bow. (From the 'puns that only work written down' drawer).
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Like all other first team players he deserves his own thread. Well done young man.
Still only 17.
Must be a great feeling to be able to make your first team debut for a Premier League team. Immense pride for parents and all those involved in his footballing life so far. Well done to the lad.
By the way is Cameron the youngest first teamer to have his own thread?
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Is he younger than Ramsey?
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By the way is Cameron the youngest first teamer to have his own thread?
RHM had one after his debut when he was 16.
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Apologies for being uninformed - what's the connection, Leeg? Great to see the lad get on tonight.
I taught him regularly and he was in my school football team from the age of 4-11.
Congratulations hopefully the first of many games for us.
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If he hasn't won the Ballon D'or at least 5 times by the age of 25 we all know who to blame.......
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And congratulations Legion, your joy is fully warranted, I think I'd bloody explode with pride in your position. What a night!
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Were Cam and his brothers raised as Villa fans? If he is, it must be an amazing feeling for any player making his debut but also for the club you supported as a kid.
What’s the story with his brothers and where are they playing now?
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I'm very pleased for you, Legion. It's such a great feeling when former students go on to do wonderful things.
I thought he looked sharp when he came on and look forward to seeing more of the lad, soon.
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If he hasn't won the Ballon D'or at least 5 times by the age of 25 we all know who to blame.......
No chance. at his age ballons are still for birthday parties
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They're using one of your videos on the Mail website Lee, this one:
www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=81&v=KBl7w_ipbQ4
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Well done to the lad.
If he's still only 17 then he'll be in the top 30ish youngest debuts.
There's a list floating about somewhere. Once Cam's DOB is known I'll get the list updated.
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Strange how it goes, on the day Cam has the best day of his career, so far, his brother Jordan is out of a job as he played for Bury.
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They're using one of your videos on the Mail website Lee, this one:
www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=81&v=KBl7w_ipbQ4
Wonderful!
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Strange how it goes, on the day Cam has the best day of his career, so far, his brother Jordan is out of a job as he played for Bury.
Terrible.
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Jordan is on Bury's books. Lewis has just signed for Alvechurch. Arron runs his own football academy.
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Were Cam and his brothers raised as Villa fans? If he is, it must be an amazing feeling for any player making his debut but also for the club you supported as a kid.
What’s the story with his brothers and where are they playing now?
Cam is a Villa fan. Dad is a Wolves fan. Think Jordan is Wolves and Lewis possibly Man Utd.
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And congratulations Legion, your joy is fully warranted, I think I'd bloody explode with pride in your position. What a night!
I have been since yesterday. Bigger explosions at each key moment.
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And congratulations Legion, your joy is fully warranted, I think I'd bloody explode with pride in your position. What a night!
I have been since yesterday. Bigger explosions at each key moment.
Good for you, savour every bang.
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Lovely Legion . Well played. Really decidedly good stuff upon hearing connections. Brilliant .
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I hope to see Cam make our opponents quiver in the near future.
I see your point. A feather in your cap for that one.
Yes, take a bow. (From the 'puns that only work written down' drawer).
Point of order, there were two: a cam is a pulley used in those big compound bows.
I hope we don't draw too much with our Archer.
Oh, and Legion I was really chuffed for you when I saw him getting ready to come on.
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Kept in touch regularly with him and his Dad over the years once he left Primary school. Seen him play at every level for the Villa at BMH and elsewhere since the age of 6. The last 24+ hours have been ever so special.
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Excellent stuff Lee, he looks the part.
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I hope to see Cam make our opponents quiver in the near future.
I see your point. A feather in your cap for that one.
Yes, take a bow. (From the 'puns that only work written down' drawer).
Point of order, there were two: a cam is a pulley used in those big compound bows.
I hope we don't draw too much with our Archer.
Oh, and Legion I was really chuffed for you when I saw him getting ready to come on.
Cheers. I did shed a tear or two of joy. His pitch entrance is on our FB Page.
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Were Cam and his brothers raised as Villa fans? If he is, it must be an amazing feeling for any player making his debut but also for the club you supported as a kid.
What’s the story with his brothers and where are they playing now?
Cam is a Villa fan. Dad is a Wolves fan. Think Jordan is Wolves and Lewis possibly Man Utd.
Excellent. Makes it even the more special for Cam, his family and friends...and everyone who supports the Villa! 😊
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Well played Lee. Very happy for you. Supportive teacher, school, parents, club, all the lad needs now is a bit of luck.
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First bit of luck being managed by Dean Smith. Bruce would have had him languishing behind a queue of 30 something year olds who could roll their sleeves up.
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Have obviously heard a lot about this lad through Legions updates on here down the last few years. A very tidy and constructive cameo debut. Good on the ball and holding it up despite the physicality of the Crewe CBs and held the ball well. Was always looking to be constructive and what really struck me despite his tender years was how he didn’t look out of place, just slotted in and got on with his job. He’s a young U23 at 17 and would be good to see him out on loan in a season or two to continue his development. Great stuff.
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I don't know Cam nor Legion but I have followed the story on here for a long time. It was great to see him come on and even better to see that he looked the part.
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Teachers who nurture talent and follow the progress after the child has moved on ... a role model for others, Lee.
Well done, Sir!
The fact that it's at the Villa makes it really cool.
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He is the only member of the U23s without a pro contract.
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He is the only member of the U23s without a pro contract.
Is that because he isn't 18 yet or a different reason? Even just based on his cameo from last night he is worthy of one.
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I don't know the reason why, to be honest.
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Great news for Cam, his family and Leeg.
You must all be bursting with pride ;).
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We are. Just watched the extended highlights. Wish he'd have tried a shot instead of playing it across the goal...
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That's what i thought as well.
Wish he had backed himself to have a go, but his cameo looked very promising.
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I was waiting for that one JD. Good work!
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It's not like the bench was overloaded with kids either so Smith obviously thinks a lot of him. A pro contract won't be far away.
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Very pleased for you Lee.
It was a very promising debut and I look forward to seeing more of him.
His parents must be very proud.
Another part of the Aston Villa feel good factor at the moment
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Seeing young players making their debuts for Villa and look promising is a greater joy for me than the big signings doing the same
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He is the only member of the U23s without a pro contract.
Is that because he isn't 18 yet or a different reason? Even just based on his cameo from last night he is worthy of one.
He's already 18 isn't he? Transfermarkt has his birthday down as 21 July 2001.
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No, he is 17.
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Wikipedia have got it wrong as well, they've got the same date of birth. Delighted for him and you Legion.
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I'm very pleased for you, Legion. It's such a great feeling when former students go on to do wonderful things.
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I've had a couple of my u11s make it as professionals.
... at rugby league. I'm not sure what that says about my coaching!
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Not really an important point, but I guess the ban on players wearing advertising on their shirts if they're under 18 must not apply to the first team.
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17...
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A Q&A on Pravda.
https://www.avfc.co.uk/News/2019/08/29/getting-to-know-cameron-archer
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Well I think he's disrespectful.
Q] Who has helped you get to this stage the most?
Like most others, I would imagine, I’d have to say my family.
Leeg, I bet you're gutted.
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It's definitely his family.
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Plus he was there from the age of 6.
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Can’t wait for him to get his first goal so we can see his bow and arrow celebration.
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Plus he was there from the age of 6.
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It's definitely his family.
I was kidding, didn't come across like that mind!
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It's definitely his family.
I was kidding, didn't come across like that mind!
I know you were. His Dad has been magnificent, mind, and deserves a substantial amount of credit for everything he has done over the years.
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It's a fantastic story Legion and I'm sure you're immensely proud.
Did you always know that Archer had something a bit special about him from when you first started coaching him?
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Congratulations Legion for doing such a wonderful job are there any more in the pipeline.
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It's a fantastic story Legion and I'm sure you're immensely proud.
Did you always know that Archer had something a bit special about him from when you first started coaching him?
I am. I knew immediately that he was something special. He was in Reception when he made his debut for my Y5/6 'B' team with his parents permission. There were lots of 'Aaahs' when he came on to the pitch. 30 seconds later after he had taken the ball from the halfway line, through most of the opposition and hit a bullet shot which their GK managed to just palm on to the post for a corner you could have heard a pin drop and the smile on his Mom's face was glorious.
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It's a fantastic story Legion and I'm sure you're immensely proud.
Did you always know that Archer had something a bit special about him from when you first started coaching him?
I am. I knew immediately that he was something special. He was in Reception when he made his debut for my Y5/6 'B' team with his parents permission. There were lots of 'Aaahs' when he came on to the pitch. 30 seconds later after he had taken the ball from the halfway line, through most of the opposition and hit a bullet shot which their GK managed to just palm on to the post for a corner you could have heard a pin drop and the smile on his Mom's face was glorious.
That would have been good on camera
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Well done, Leeg. Thought of you when I heard he had come on.
Let's hope for other things to celebrate as his career develops.
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I had assumed you were his dad, Legion!
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Strange how it goes, on the day Cam has the best day of his career, so far, his brother Jordan is out of a job as he played for Bury.
Jordan has now got a contract with Port Vale. He was an unused sub this weekend.
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Going to have to keep an eye out for this kid, he's just got so much spark about him.
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If he plays for the U23's tonight at Salford City in the EFL cup then I am going and can watch him fully in the flesh.
I work up here for 3 days per week so thought - why not - and as its only a £10 be nice to see if we have any decent kids coming through
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As far as I am aware he is playing this evening.
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Runs a lot but is very raw, based on tonight's performance alone. There were better performances out there at Salford.
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As I said on the other thread - close up the most alarming thing was the sheer size and physicality of the Salford lot compared to our babbies.
Although we passed it very nicely at times Cameron didn't really get a sniff but considering the 2 scorers for them earn an estimated approx. £32K per month between them it is a step up in class to playing against other U23 teams I would imagine
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Plus he was there from the age of 6.
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I hate it when you two argue with each other
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18 years old today. I can remember when he was 4. I feel so old.
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Needs to be on the bench if Kodjia isn't going to be used
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Agreed. He is playing for the U18s tomorrow in the FA Youth Cup at Stevenage.
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(https://scontent-lhr8-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/103854342_10158708661217658_6787251711224309734_n.jpg?_nc_cat=109&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_ohc=Qx6sFJSrCH0AX_SV-RF&_nc_ht=scontent-lhr8-1.xx&oh=1a473e8da2b02e3dfe9f237c807a5d9c&oe=5F06D75A)
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Standing with his hands in his pockets?
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Standing with his hands in his pockets?
Blimey Leeg! Did you teach him nothing? ;-)
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He hasn't got his hands in his pocket though.
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Is he a fan of Alanis Morrissette perchance?
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I think he lists his hobby as Morrissette Dancing.
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Is he a fan of Alanis Morrissette perchance?
That would be ironic. Sorry.
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Two year scholarship deal for the U18s signed two years ago today when he was 16. Now a regular for the U23s and had a cameo subs appearance vs Crewe in the cup for the first team. Still only 18 years of age.
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I hope he's staying on, Leeg.
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Expect that Archer, Ramsey and several of the other "rising" 18 yr old age group players (possibly Louie Barry?) to be shipped out on loan next season.
Serves 2 purposes:
Enables the club to see if they've got what It takes.
Allows the next group of players to move up through the age groups
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Yes, it's sad but there is a need to clear the decks; something that we have clearly done in the last two summers.
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It worries me that even with the atrocious form of the senior squad not one young player has been thought good enough to be given a chance. All the money spent on developement and little to show for it.
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Expect that Archer, Ramsey and several of the other "rising" 18 yr old age group players (possibly Louie Barry?) to be shipped out on loan next season.
Serves 2 purposes:
Enables the club to see if they've got what It takes.
Allows the next group of players to move up through the age groups
This is why I want to see the bigger clubs link with the smaller clubs, like Villa/Walsall, so we can loan them players and help them financially by paying the salaries. Send them two or three of our really talented players who are not yet ready to make that step up, although, if we drop to the Championship, Barry would be in my 25. Throw him in at the deep end.
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If we go down, I would like to see a squad of 16-18 experienced players who could be relied upon and then filling the rest of the squad with young players who will get their chance at one stage or another.
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It worries me that even with the atrocious form of the senior squad not one young player has been thought good enough to be given a chance. All the money spent on developement and little to show for it.
This is just what happens, a senior player puts in average performance after average performance but always gets another chance, youth players get cameos at best and unless they're obviously better than the senior player they're straight back out of the side afterwards.
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Yes, and it's wrong.
Derby County hardly ever played a youngster under Rowett. Now their team is packed with kids -and look at the results.
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DC - maybe Lampard takes some credit for that? He has surprised me this season with Chelelsea- thought they might crash and burn, in all honesty. Terry’s got slim to no chance of getting that gig now for a while.
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Lumplard played a couple, but it was mostly loan players with him.
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I think last season there was pressure on Lampard to get Derby promoted. When that didn't happen I think they knew their budget would be smaller so they consciously selected a manager who could work with young players and was given the brief that he would be given time and this season was part of a bigger plan.
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I hope he's staying on, Leeg.
So do I.
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OCD, agree with everything in your last post. I like to think that in a year's time we'll have plenty of young players in our team, too.
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Probably all depends on what league we're in. If we do go down, I would like to see the most promising ones to become a big part of the squad. If we stay up, they may be better going out on loan rather than getting the odd few minutes here and there.
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He'd offer a hell of a lot more than Davis.
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Signed a deal.
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First pro-contract signed this morning. Well made up for him!
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Good stuff 🙂
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Good luck.
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Great news, looking forward to seeing him play.
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We really have got to make more of this latest crop of kids. Shit, we're in the 2nd largest conurbation in the UK and do not develop enough of our own. Yes, it's more difficult when we're in the top tier (maybe that'll change soon) but we have not used the loan-out system well enough and do not seem to have good individual development plans in place for each of the ones most likely to succeed (I do not know that for sure, of course, but I've seen no evidence of it).
Good luck to Cameron: we'll all be well made up if he becomes part of our future.
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Hope the new academy staff can do a better job of bringing these prospects through.
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Good luck Cameron
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Good lad.
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https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/just-getting-started-striker-confirms-18550923
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Replace xxxx with birminghammail.
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Fantastic news. Now let's get him in the squad for the rest of the season.
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Unlikely to happen, unfortunately. Smith prefers Vassilev.
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From about 10 or so years ago:
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Should have shot.
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Definitely.
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God, those cute pics of him as a kid were only ten years ago?! Way to make us all feel old!
Don't remember having Paddy McGuinness working for the club and overseeing youth contracts though.
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Cam with a goal from a couple of years ago vs a Blackburn Rovers side who were 2 years+ older (Academy game). This is what he is capable of. His 'weaker' foot as well.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=3827162723977924&id=129445223749711
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Can't get it to embed on here. Sorry.
https://www.facebook.com/handv/videos/884281285401163/
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God, those cute pics of him as a kid were only ten years ago?! Way to make us all feel old!
Don't remember having Paddy McGuinness working for the club and overseeing youth contracts though.
Ben Petty. now at Leicester
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This season vs Tranmere Rovers in the cup:
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=3827202337307296&id=129445223749711
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cameron_Archer
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Haven't they got his DOB wrong Legion?
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Yes. Thanks for that.
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9.12.01 is the correct date.
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This season vs Tranmere Rovers in the cup:
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=3827202337307296&id=129445223749711
Have Tranmere been working with our set piece coach? That throw looks like it comes straight from our first team playbook.
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9.12.01 is the correct date.
Some clueless individual has changed it back!
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9.12.01 is the correct date.
Some clueless individual has changed it back!
Not Cam I hope!!
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Cam with our goal: https://twitter.com/StratfordTownFC/status/1298707197749342208?s=08
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Huge potential, really promising lad.
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Huge potential, really promising lad.
He has and most definitely is.
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First team debut was a year ago today.
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First team debut was a year ago today.
has he done much since? I don't keep up with the youth team stuff much.
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First team debut was a year ago today.
has he done much since? I don't keep up with the youth team stuff much.
Regular for the U23s and recently signed his first pro-contract. Scored for the U23s the other day in a 1-1 draw. No other first team opportunities, unfortunately. Yet.
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How old is he ?
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18.
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Let's be honest - he's only 18, has only just signed his first pro contract - how many first team opportunities is it realistic for him to get?
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Training with the first team and a place on the bench.
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Thank you, I subscribe to the Christian Purslow school of thought - he needs to be getting a place in the squad this season then and at least a good run in the cups at his age . We’ve had so many alleged kids of quality at our club this century that you become more sceptical about any of them making the grade at the highest level.
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Thank you, I subscribe to the Christian Purslow school of thought - he needs to be getting a place in the squad this season then and at least a good run in the cups at his age . We’ve had so many alleged kids of quality at our club this century that you become more sceptical about any of them making the grade at the highest level.
Agreed. I personally think he will, given the chance. As I do Ramsey. Not too convinced about Vassilev.
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I'd be looking for half season loans for Archer and Vassilev (probably 3-4 others as well). Ramsey is slightly ahead because he's had a short spell at Doncaster and did well enough to show he's definitely got the ability to be worth a look.
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Thank you, I subscribe to the Christian Purslow school of thought - he needs to be getting a place in the squad this season then and at least a good run in the cups at his age . We’ve had so many alleged kids of quality at our club this century that you become more sceptical about any of them making the grade at the highest level.
Agreed. I personally think he will, given the chance. As I do Ramsey. Not too convinced about Vassilev.
Nor me. I wish the lad well but I have no idea what or where he's supposed to be.
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Huge potential, really promising lad.
Agree with you, tiocfaidh a lá!
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Agree with you, tiocfaidh a lá!
Blimey Chucky, Portuguese really looks very similar to Irish. ;)
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Thank you, I subscribe to the Christian Purslow school of thought - he needs to be getting a place in the squad this season then and at least a good run in the cups at his age . We’ve had so many alleged kids of quality at our club this century that you become more sceptical about any of them making the grade at the highest level.
I think we've really not used the loan system to our advantage in recent years. I think someone posted on here that they thought 20/21 year old players should have about 75 games under their belts already, which i agreed with. Especially now with the wage cap, can see League 1/2 squads being reliant on loans. We should make sure that at least 5-10 players a season are playing regular, first team football where they're in a similar role to how we expect them to play if they make it, ideally at a club with a similar playing style.
I do think so few are coming through, in part, because they're just not getting the experience they need to make the step up.
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What we don’t want to see again is trying to win u23 leagues by keeping a full u23 squad like in days of Bannan & co, much more important that those players are loaned out to play proper football....although if I remember correctly in a yrs time there are restrictions in amount of players loaned out to 6? Which is when you will the big clubs buying smaller clubs abroad like Man City have been doing to traffic players through
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What we don’t want to see again is trying to win u23 leagues by keeping a full u23 squad like in days of Bannan & co, much more important that those players are loaned out to play proper football....although if I remember correctly in a yrs time there are restrictions in amount of players loaned out to 6? Which is when you will the big clubs buying smaller clubs abroad like Man City have been doing to traffic players through
There was talk of FIFA beginning reductions this season and phasing in further lowered limits over 3 years to give domestic FAs time to adjust their systems, but it was before The Event so it's possibly been binned or postponed. I think it eventually restricts the amount of over-21s a club could loan to an aggregate total of six, so if you'd got two in you could only loan four out.
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The mechanism behind uploading articles and images to wikipedia is so far up it's own arse it is untrue. The trouble I am currently having here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cameron_Archer) with the image of Cam taken from Pravda is beyond belief.
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You can't take photos from Pravda them stick them on Wikipedia! FFS Leeg!
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Archer played 60 minutes last night and scored in a 7-0 win over Tamworth.
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Anyone have the team sheet and other scorers?
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It's all I know. Sorry.
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Nothing on Pravda either
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There rarely ever is.
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Vote for Cam or I'll ban you.
https://twitter.com/AVFCU23/status/1303067980616667136?s=08
I won't really.
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I'm tempted to vote for Mary, Mungo and Bridge.
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Vote for Cam or I'll ban you.
https://twitter.com/AVFCU23/status/1303067980616667136?s=08
I won't really.
Done. It looks like your bully boy tactics have worked!
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Thank you. He was already on 50%+ when I posted it. Will be interesting to see how he fares in direct competition with Vassilev in the Final. Same rules apply!
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Final:
https://twitter.com/AVFCU23/status/1303295545423917057?s=08
Voted for Cam.
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Done. Not looking good for your boy though.
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Thanks. I know.
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Voted, but not looking good.
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He caught up by a lot but at the end it was not quite enough. Thanks to all who voted for him. He came runner-up.
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A vote on an unofficial Twitter account? Not that important, surely?
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Don't knock it. Over the weekend Ian Brown liked a post that mentioned me and i got 9 new followers 8) I only had 3.
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Important enough. About the only outlet that promotes the U23s other than on here. The coverage from Pravda is shocking.
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Next time they have a meeting with the fan groups can whoever goes from here please make a bit more noise about that. It's really not good enough that the official site gives so little info on the U23s and U18s.
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Agreed. I've asked for that to be brought up a few times but it has never been put forward.
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Perhaps the club want to keep the younger players from too much exposure and press coverage too early.
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Maybe, but having a page about their results and getting the social media team to live report on games doesn't add pressure, it just allows fans to follow them.
On top of that learning to handle that pressure is part of the transition from u23 to first team so it's probably a good thing.
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Hi Legion, hope you don't mind me asking bit I wondered what your relationship with Cam was? I presume you've mentioned it before but I've not picked up on it. Obviously if you'd prefer to keep to yourself that's fine.
edit - sorry, found it!
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Hi Legion, hope you don't mind me asking bit I wondered what your relationship with Cam was? I presume you've mentioned it before but I've not picked up on it. Obviously if you'd prefer to keep to yourself that's fine.
edit - sorry, found it!
Don't mind at all. Loads of info on the first couple of pages of this thread.
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Article by the Boss about the Crewe game (http://thebirminghampress.com/2019/08/all-change-for-villa-at-crewe/)
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2019 article?
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Yes. His first team debut.
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Ah. Hopefully he's involved against Burton.
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Highly unlikely, unfortunately. Smith prefers Vassilev as can be seen by the most recent U23 team selection.
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Vassilev needs to be loaned out.
I was wondering what on earth happened to Dominic Revan considering he was our back up CB in championship 18 months back when we had those injuries. Played the other night and is 20 next week, never played a senior football league game in his career.
We have a nasty habit of keeping our youth team players around here until they're 20-21, then they finally get a loan.
Would loan those two and Kesler out given we're very well stocked with right back options now.
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Vassilev needs to be loaned out.
I was wondering what on earth happened to Dominic Revan considering he was our back up CB in championship 18 months back when we had those injuries. Played the other night and is 20 next week, never played a senior football league game in his career.
We have a nasty habit of keeping our youth team players around here until they're 20-21, then they finally get a loan.
And then get released. Something we really have to get better at.
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https://www.avfc.co.uk/players/u23/cameronarcher
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https://www.avfc.co.uk/players/u23/cameronarcher
Why is is birth date unknown?
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Probably just laziness. It's on his wikipedia page.
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Vassilev to Burton Albion for the season.
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Vassilev to Burton Albion for the season.
Gonna need a new Players "Out on loan" thread I think.
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Oops! Wrong thread. Sorry all.
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Scored this evening for the U23s.
https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2020/september/U23s-Aston-Villa-1-2-Reading/
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Thanks to MorrisNielson for the initial data. Updated:
Youngest First Team Debutants:
1969-70 - Jimmy Brown - 15 years & 349 days
1959-60 - Norman Ashe - 16 years & 47 days
2014-15 - Rushian Hepburn-Murphy - 16 years & 176 days
1957-58 - Walter Hazelden - 16 years & 269 days
1960-61 - Alan Baker - 16 years & 290 days
1963-64 - Mick Wright - 16 years & 347 days
1960-61 - John Sleeuwenhoek - 17 years & 37 days
1997-98 - Gareth Barry - 17 years & 68 days
1975-76 - Gordon Cowans - 17 years & 103 days
2000-01 - Stephen Cooke - 17 years & 169 days
1978-79 - Lee Jenkins - 17 years & 176 days
1960-61 - Ralph Brown - 17 years & 177 days
1976-77 - Ivor Linton - 17 years & 177 days
1984-85 - Tony Daley - 17 years & 184 days
2008-09 - Nathan Delfouneso - 17 years & 194 days
1978-79 - Gary Shaw - 17 years & 217 days
1999-00 - Jonathan Bewers - 17 years & 218 days
1973-74 - Bobby Campbell - 17 years & 219 days
2015-16 - Andre Green - 17 years & 231 days
2019-20 - Cameron Archer 17 years & 262 days
2018-19 - Jacob Ramsey - 17 years & 264 days
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I am at a loss as to how Keinan Davi(e)s is preferred over giving Archer another opportunity, especially in a game like tonight. He is just not up to it and it has been seen time after time after time.
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I think the persistence with Keinen is due to his recent 4 year contract, and to try another young Striker questions that contract, I just wonder what we aren’t seeing. I hope we bring another striker in.
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I think the persistence with Keinen is due to his recent 4 year contract, and to try another young Striker questions that contract, I just wonder what we aren’t seeing. I hope we bring another striker in.
The coaches will not persist with someone because of a contract. The contract will have been given because he's worth persisting with.
He, along with the others last night are not first choice in their positions and therefore were given game time. That they didn't do really well just shows the coaching staff have been picking the right players.
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I think the new contract was mainly so we don't lose him for nothing.
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Out on loan until January:
https://www.solihullmoorsfc.co.uk/news/moors-snap-up-villa-hotshot-2574005.html?
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Welcome to the Moors, Cameron Archer...
Solihull Moors are delighted to announce the long-term loan signing of Aston Villa striker Cameron Archer.
Archer’s deal runs until January 3rd and the 18-year-old hotshot is available for selection ahead of tomorrow’s National League opener at Woking.
The teenager will provide competition to Adam Rooney in the striking department as Moors boss Jimmy Shan looks to bolster his attack ahead of the upcoming campaign.
Born in Walsall, Archer showed star potential from an early age and was head-hunted by Villa at six-years-old.
The tag ‘one to watch’ soon became synonymous with Archer who regularly played in higher year groups for his age.
So it was no surprise when Archer broke into Villa’s u23 side at just 16-years-old and he has been a regular ever since.
His performances at youth level caught the eye and first team boss Dean Smith handed Archer his senior debut during Villa’s second round Carabao Cup tie at Crewe last August.
That same season, Villa entered an u23 side in the EFL trophy, Archer starred and grabbed the headlines with a long range strike against Tranmere Rovers.
Moors will be hoping the promising youngster shows such flashes of brilliance throughout his stay at the SportNation.bet Stadium.
Archer said: “I’m delighted to join the club and be around first team football.
“There are some familiar faces here. I worked with Richard Beale at under-18 level last season at Villa, so he already knows what I’m about.
“I’d like to think I’m a quick, sharp striker and I hope the fans see some goals.”
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That's a really good move for the lad. He should fill his boots down there.
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Agreed. He desperately needs first team football to show what he is capable of and his family wanted somewhere local for him.
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Got to laugh at 3 months being considered 'long-term'.
Happy that he's getting first team football at a young age though. Hope he's prolific for them.
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Got to laugh at 3 months being considered 'long-term'.
It is when you're 18!
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Good move and hopefully it can be followed up with a league 1/2 side in January.
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https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2020/october/Archer-joins-Moors-on-loan/
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Cameron Archer has joined Solihull Moors on loan until January.
The pacy teenage forward has made the short move across the midlands to link up with the Vanarama National League side, whose league season gets underway this weekend.
Academy graduate Archer has made three appearances for Villa’s Under-23s so far this season.
He made his first-team debut last term in the club’s Carabao Cup triumph at Crewe Alexandra, stepping off the bench as a late substitute.
Good luck at the Moors, Cameron!
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Interesting move. Lower level than I thought, but I'm guessing from the comments a local option was all they wanted. Clearly not felt to be anywhere near enough the first team squad though I'm surprised a Walsall move hasn't happened.
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Good move? Quite a low level. I thought people were touting him for the first team.
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They are and the U23 coaching staff rate him highly, but he has dropped off Smith's radar. This short term loan move should get him regular first team football with a springboard to a higher level in the future, show Smith what he is missing out on and means he stays fairly local at the request of his family.
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I think it's a decent move for him. Should let him get a few first team games under his belt and hopefully be enough to make a few L1/L2 sides want him in on loan.
Think it might be worth trying to build up a good relationship with a club like them anyway, nice way to get those 17/18 year old lads a bit of first team experience early on in their development, without them having to relocate and so on.
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Can't imagine their fans will give him an easy ride - they're all closet Noses aren't they?
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Yes. Quite a few barbed comments already on the club's Twatter feed.
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https://twitter.com/SolihullMoors/status/1312015310459994113?s=08
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https://twitter.com/SolihullMoors/status/1312015310459994113?s=08
There's a couple of things about the Villa - you'd get the same if anyone from a league club went to Stour. It's hardly Welcome to Hell.
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Standard twitter muppets.
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They are and the U23 coaching staff rate him highly, but he has dropped off Smith's radar. This short term loan move should get him regular first team football with a springboard to a higher level in the future, show Smith what he is missing out on and means he stays fairly local at the request of his family.
It's a very low level though. Not being on the radar of a localish L1/L2 club would have to be a concern surely? Especially with Smith's connections at Walsall.
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Surprised hes off to play non league football given I've seen comments asking for him to be included in our match day 18.
Clearly seen as a long way from that level at the moment and Vassilev got a local league 1 loan move.
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Somebody please remind those twats from Twatterland that, effective as of yesterday Villa has retired his shirt number until his return date. So, um there.
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Good luck to him. Looks a talent.
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They are and the U23 coaching staff rate him highly, but he has dropped off Smith's radar. This short term loan move should get him regular first team football with a springboard to a higher level in the future, show Smith what he is missing out on and means he stays fairly local at the request of his family.
It's a very low level though. Not being on the radar of a localish L1/L2 club would have to be a concern surely? Especially with Smith's connections at Walsall.
Solihull Moors, in their defence, are one of the better clubs in the division immediately below L2. At 17-18 I think it's not a terrible level to be playing at (Tyrone Mings & Jamie Vardy would've both been playing at a lower level around the same age .. and Ian Taylor would've been playing at the same club at that age).
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Have been to 2 Solihull Moors games and both times there seemed to be a mix of fans leaning towards Villa or Blues.
Certainly didn't seem predominantly noses.
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They are and the U23 coaching staff rate him highly, but he has dropped off Smith's radar. This short term loan move should get him regular first team football with a springboard to a higher level in the future, show Smith what he is missing out on and means he stays fairly local at the request of his family.
It's a very low level though. Not being on the radar of a localish L1/L2 club would have to be a concern surely? Especially with Smith's connections at Walsall.
Solihull Moors, in their defence, are one of the better clubs in the division immediately below L2. At 17-18 I think it's not a terrible level to be playing at (Tyrone Mings & Jamie Vardy would've both been playing at a lower level around the same age .. and Ian Taylor would've been playing at the same club at that age).
Cue loads of ex-Moor Green fans saying it's not the same club at all.
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On the bench for today's match.
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Fingers crossed he gets a game.
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Surprised to see Jamie Ward is at Solihull. Guess he is knocking on a bit not.
So at least 2 Villa fans in their squad.
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Now on as sub.
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My nephew plays for Moors Youth and Ive been to watch him a few times, if there is a Nose bias they seem to keep it to themselves.
Surprised that we didnt have any takers at a higher level but the lads only 18.
A good move for him, a very highly regarded coach but a bit of a wake up call as to where he sits in the grand scheme of things, like a lot of young players he'll have to pay his dues.
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Archer played for about the last 35 minutes, after Ward went off injured.
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Cameron has started for Moors tonight against Wrexham. 0-0 at half time.
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He is wearing pink boots. I'll have a word.
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That photo could be pretty telling of why he's not got more chances with us yet, he looks very small, they're probably worried about him getting bullied on the pitch. This loan could turn out to be really important for him to work out how to handle getting a bit of a kicking.
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That photo could be pretty telling of why he's not got more chances with us yet, he looks very small, they're probably worried about him getting bullied on the pitch. This loan could turn out to be really important for him to work out how to handle getting a bit of a kicking.
just thought exactly the same thing Paule.
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Didn't score, did he? Is he the new Keinan Davis, Leeg...?
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That photo could be pretty telling of why he's not got more chances with us yet, he looks very small, they're probably worried about him getting bullied on the pitch. This loan could turn out to be really important for him to work out how to handle getting a bit of a kicking.
just thought exactly the same thing Paule.
Yep, looking at that photo, I tend to agree.
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Fourthed.
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Raheem Sterling is 5’ 7”. How tall is Archer?
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Raheem Sterling is 5’ 7”. How tall is Archer?
Just to be clear I didn't say he won't/can't make it, I said he needs to learn how to deal with being bullied because of his size. I might also be completely wrong but he looks 4-5 inches shorter than the rest of the team (other than the lad at the other end) on that picture.
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Raheem Sterling is 5’ 7”. How tall is Archer?
I checked his Wikipedia but no details of his height on it (something he has in common with B*no). Very poor effort! ;)
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That prick wishes he was 5' 7".
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I think the fact that he's gone to Solihull Moors rather than a L1 or L2 club, doesn't bode well for his chances at Villa unfortunately.
He's still young though, and players develop at different rates.
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Raheem Sterling is 5’ 7”. How tall is Archer?
Just to be clear I didn't say he won't/can't make it, I said he needs to learn how to deal with being bullied because of his size. I might also be completely wrong but he looks 4-5 inches shorter than the rest of the team (other than the lad at the other end) on that picture.
I agree. I just wonder whether he’s Raheem Sterling short or Alan Wright short.
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I think the fact that he's gone to Solihull Moors rather than a L1 or L2 club, doesn't bode well for his chances at Villa unfortunately.
He's still young though, and players develop at different rates.
For a first taste of senior football i don't think it makes that much difference. If he goes well we can send him out to L1 or championship level next.
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He's starting today against Kings Lynn, good luck Cameron
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That prick wishes he was 5' 7".
I've bumped into B*no twice at Dublin Airport, once at check-in and once in the lounge and even in his Cuban heeled boots he was still a shortarse.
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Scored.
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Sounds like it was a header from a corner
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And a second.
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Keeper saved a shot and he scored the rebound.
They've taken him off for a deserved rest.
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Well done Cameron
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Two for Cam and an assist.
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Goal: https://twitter.com/festa34/status/1314948493266636800?s=08
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Well done.Though small,he looks quite muscular,so presumably he won't be easily knocked off the ball or bullied.
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He used to run rings round me at the age of 10. Getting the ball off him even at an early age was nigh on impossible.
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Well done.Though small,he looks quite muscular,so presumably he won't be easily knocked off the ball or bullied.
Hopefully not, but I suspect that's why he's on this loan, to get him used to what less capable but bigger players will do to try to intimidate him.
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Good lad, that's a great start.
For those questioning if he'll ever make it based on where he's gone on loan, remember our star £30m striker went to Weston early his early days.
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True. And how old was Vardy when he was playing for Stockbridge Steels?
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https://www.newschain.uk/sport/mens-sport/football/cameron-archer-nets-double-solihull-thrash-kings-lynn-39024
There's also a review on the Meaning Evil site but I'm not linking to that rag.
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Game time and confidence building is key for him at his age. Plus being local to family too must help.
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Spot on.
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Match highlights now on our FB Page.
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He looked sharp. Presume it was just a knock at the end?
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Tonight's Moors match against Altrincham called off, as there are cases of covid 19 in the Altrincham squad.
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The Moors game is being streamed live on YouTube this afternoon if anyone's bored.
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https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/hes-like-shane-long-aston-19120216
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Did he come on? I watched up until the 70th minute but had to go out.
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Yes. About the 85th minute.
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https://www.xxxx.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/hes-like-shane-long-aston-19120216
Is it necessary to have a filter on that changes the Birmingham Mail part of the web address to xxxx? It's a pain in the ass to find the site, copy and paste the end of the link.
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On the bench in the FA Cup at home to Wrexham: https://twitter.com/SolihullMoors/status/1319990778047942658?s=19
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Jamie Ward playing for Solihull now, interesting. Was in our youth team 15 years back and had good career in championship and for Northern Ireland.
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https://twitter.com/SolihullMoors/status/1320022302625533952?s=08
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62' | GOALLLLLLLLLL ARCHER!!!!
The substitute has only been on the pitch a matter of seconds, but he latches on to a through ball and clips his finish over Lainton to make it three!
3-0
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62' | GOALLLLLLLLLL ARCHER!!!!
The substitute has only been on the pitch a matter of seconds, but he latches on to a through ball and clips his finish over Lainton to make it three!
3-0
Nice work, Leeg!
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93 seconds...
https://twitter.com/SolihullMoors/status/1320436832711200769?s=08
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Very good finish by Cam
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https://www.xxxx.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/hes-like-shane-long-aston-19120216
Is it necessary to have a filter on that changes the Birmingham Mail part of the web address to xxxx? It's a pain in the ass to find the site, copy and paste the end of the link.
Very much agree. Is there any real need for it, as adults surely we can decide whether we click on a particular link or not?
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https://www.xxxx.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/hes-like-shane-long-aston-19120216
Is it necessary to have a filter on that changes the Birmingham Mail part of the web address to xxxx? It's a pain in the ass to find the site, copy and paste the end of the link.
Very much agree. Is there any real need for it, as adults surely we can decide whether we click on a particular link or not?
Isn't the main purpose to avoid referrals from the site? Could maybe look at a filter which forces it to plain text so people have to copy paste instead in that case.
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That was never a pen. Nice finish by Archer.
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https://www.xxxx.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/hes-like-shane-long-aston-19120216
Is it necessary to have a filter on that changes the Birmingham Mail part of the web address to xxxx? It's a pain in the ass to find the site, copy and paste the end of the link.
Very much agree. Is there any real need for it, as adults surely we can decide whether we click on a particular link or not?
Isn't the main purpose to avoid referrals from the site? Could maybe look at a filter which forces it to plain text so people have to copy paste instead in that case.
Copy and pasting a plain text link would be fine.
I hope Cam has a growth spurt. It would really help as he matures if he was taller and fills out a bit.
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https://twitter.com/SolihullMoors/status/1326933400935161857?s=08
FA Cup 2nd round live on the BBC. Fingers crossed he gets a game.
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Is Cam injured at the moment?
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No. Just come out of self-isolation. Back training today.
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No. Just come out of self-isolation. Back training today.
Ah, thank you.
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https://twitter.com/SolihullMoors/status/1327284573974245377?s=08
Next three fixtures called off.
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Back training with Solihull Moors tomorrow.
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On the bench today for the FA Cup fixture. Live on the BBC. 12.30 KO.
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He’s on now losing 2-1 to Morecambe.
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Great run and awareness there
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Fantastic run and pass for their goal.
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Yes, really clever and unselfish play.
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His spectacular run and shot was also so close to equalising. Videos of both are on our FB Page. Thought he did well overall considering the lack of decent service he received.
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It was a very enjoyable game.
Cam reminds me a bit of Robinson when he was coming through. Interesting if we leave him on loan for the season at the Moors as think he's good enough to be playing league football already.
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He is on loan until January 2021.
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Do you think he'll stay there, Leeg, or will they bump him up to League level?
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I'd hope we call him back and either get him to L1/championship or we keep him with the U23 and send Barry out for that sort of level. Personally I'd go with the latter so we can see how big an impact the experience has had on Cam and setup a new plan of stuff for him to work on as a result.
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It's good to see a young un coming through and doing well but other than being an ex-pupil of Legion, is there any other reason why he is being singled out? Is he that good?
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Yes.
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I've not seen anything like as much of him as Legion but for me he has good technique, a good footballing brain and decent pace, my temporary concern is that he 'looks' very much a teenager still in terms of his build so a loan like this one to a level where defenders will be comparatively poor but very aggressive will do him a lot of good. He's one of about 5-6 that I like the look of.
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Do you think he'll stay there, Leeg, or will they bump him up to League level?
Hopefully a loan move to a fairly local L1 or 2 side if he still does not feature in Smith's current plans.
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Walsall, maybe?
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Unlikely.
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Starts today for Solihull Moors.
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Why do you think it's unlikely he'd go to Walsall, Leeg?
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18 years young today.
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That's great to be getting regular first team football at 17/18.
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He's 19.... D'OH!
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https://www.facebook.com/271147609556/posts/10158688248349557/?sfnsn=scwspmo
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Solihull Moors game is live on BT Sport on Saturday afternoon.
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Another goal today.
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Came off the bench to contribute two goals and an assist.
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Good lad.
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Highlights so far...
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=411752413574256
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...and he's staying there for the rest of the season.
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https://twitter.com/SolihullMoors/status/1346158649400565762?s=08
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Good luck to him, and it's a very good decision. Young players only develop by playing regularly. Play where he is this season, maybe see how he does in the Championship next year, then integrate him into the full squad after that.
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https://www.solihullmoorsfc.co.uk/news/posts/moors-extend-cameron-archers-loan-spell/
Until 29th May with no recall option.
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That's standard isn't it?
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I don't know, to be honest. He is unlikely to be playing this evening as he has been at BMH receiving treatment for an abdominal strain.
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Club statement:
https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2021/january/Archer-extends-Moors-loan/
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Update: Cam has now recovered from his abdominal strain and has been training with the Villa this week. He returns to Solihull Moors on Monday.
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Hopefully he has a strong finish to the season.
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On the bench this evening for Solihull Moors after a longer than expected lay-off with the injury.
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Villa clearly want young players to get experience of adult football as early as they can. We've seen England win the various age group competitions and have a lot of talent that looks brilliant in those age groups but then just disappear in the latter stages of development. It's an interesting tactic to teach our kids the technical skills from 6/7 to 16/17, to start integrating them into the U18 team and then when they're 18/19 trying to get them to adjust to senior football while they're still relatively young, even if that means in the lower leagues. There are a few examples of players playing in the lower leagues but going on to become Premier League players (Vardy, even our own Watkins). Just a few months at Tranmere seemed to help Jacob Ramsey. It could be very beneficial long-term, maybe even being the difference between making it as a footballer or not.
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Villa clearly want young players to get experience of adult football as early as they can. We've seen England win the various age group competitions and have a lot of talent that looks brilliant in those age groups but then just disappear in the latter stages of development. It's an interesting tactic to teach our kids the technical skills from 6/7 to 16/17, to start integrating them into the U18 team and then when they're 18/19 trying to get them to adjust to senior football while they're still relatively young, even if that means in the lower leagues. There are a few examples of players playing in the lower leagues but going on to become Premier League players (Vardy, even our own Watkins). Just a few months at Tranmere seemed to help Jacob Ramsey. It could be very beneficial long-term, maybe even being the difference between making it as a footballer or not.
Ramsey was at Donnie last season on loan.
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My mistake but the point remains (seem to remember someone going out to Tranmere).
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The Russian was there for a while before he became a Cypriot.
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Came off the bench again today with the assist for the equaliser.