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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: PeterWithesShin on August 27, 2019, 09:46:45 PM

Title: Cameron Archer (on loan with Solihull Moors for the rest of the season)
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 27, 2019, 09:46:45 PM
Like all other first team players he deserves his own thread. Well done young man.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Legion on August 27, 2019, 09:48:37 PM
Still only 17.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: UK Redsox on August 27, 2019, 09:50:26 PM
The new adopted son of H&V
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: SamTheMouse on August 27, 2019, 09:51:51 PM
He's an exciting prospect, isn't he?
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: cdbullyweefan on August 27, 2019, 09:51:52 PM
Showed some nice touches, always went looking for the ball. Promising debut. Well done H&V's Cameron Archer!
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: TheMalandro on August 27, 2019, 09:52:23 PM
Chuffed for you Lee.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Legion on August 27, 2019, 09:52:56 PM
Absolutely overjoyed.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 27, 2019, 09:56:26 PM
Great stuff Lee. Very proud for you.
Only 17 wow.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: dave shelley on August 27, 2019, 09:56:42 PM
Great to have a prospect breaking through at such a young age.  Credit to you Lee.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Legion on August 27, 2019, 09:58:33 PM
Great to have a prospect breaking through at such a young age.  Credit to you Lee.

He is a credit to his parents.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Steve67 on August 27, 2019, 09:58:41 PM
Like I posted in the match thread.  Under new management, ain't it grand?  We just know that Deano will make this kid a good un.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Keeno on August 27, 2019, 10:08:46 PM
Apologies for being uninformed - what's the connection, Leeg? Great to see the lad get on tonight.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 27, 2019, 10:10:20 PM
Apologies for being uninformed - what's the connection, Leeg? Great to see the lad get on tonight.

Leeg is his Obi-Wan
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: MoetVillan on August 27, 2019, 10:11:58 PM
He had pace to burn and great tenacity
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Villa75 on August 27, 2019, 10:12:45 PM
Fantastic for all concerned! Let's hope this is the first of hundreds of games for The Villa.👍
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Legion on August 27, 2019, 10:13:09 PM
Apologies for being uninformed - what's the connection, Leeg? Great to see the lad get on tonight.

I taught him regularly and he was in my school football team from the age of 4-11.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Bad English on August 27, 2019, 10:15:30 PM
I hope to see Cam make our opponents quiver in the near future.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Ian. on August 27, 2019, 10:17:48 PM
Bet your well chuffed Legion? That’s brilliant news and what a superb period in time for him to break through. It’s a really exciting and positive place now, Everyone seems to be loving life at Villa. Perfect timing for any young lad to be involved with the club.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: dave shelley on August 27, 2019, 10:21:32 PM
One more body to put pressure on the others.  Competition for places is healthy for the club.  I hope he takes his chance and, if I may, Brummifies the club further.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Keeno on August 27, 2019, 10:36:10 PM
Apologies for being uninformed - what's the connection, Leeg? Great to see the lad get on tonight.

I taught him regularly and he was in my school football team from the age of 4-11.

Oh, wow! Made up for you! Yeah - great time to be an emerging young player at the club. Hope he gets some game-time this season!
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Pete3206 on August 27, 2019, 10:38:37 PM
Great stuff Legion. Well done.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: purpletrousers on August 27, 2019, 10:40:14 PM
Magnificent Brumification.
That’s got to be album title, if he’s not already playing for Zimbabwe Under 21s?
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Villan For Life on August 27, 2019, 10:41:01 PM
Carry on living the dream Cameron. We are all behind you
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 27, 2019, 10:42:09 PM
I hope to see Cam make our opponents quiver in the near future.

I see your point. A feather in your cap for that one.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on August 27, 2019, 10:45:01 PM
I hope to see Cam make our opponents quiver in the near future.

I see your point. A feather in your cap for that one.

Yes, take a bow. (From the 'puns that only work written down' drawer).
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: olaftab on August 27, 2019, 10:46:38 PM
Like all other first team players he deserves his own thread. Well done young man.
Still only 17.
Must be a great feeling to be able to make your first team debut for a Premier League team. Immense pride for parents and all those involved in his footballing life so far. Well done to the lad.

By the way is Cameron the youngest first teamer to have his own thread?
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: OCD on August 27, 2019, 10:49:31 PM
Is he younger than Ramsey?
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 27, 2019, 10:52:33 PM
By the way is Cameron the youngest first teamer to have his own thread?

RHM had one after his debut when he was 16.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Diablo on August 27, 2019, 10:59:21 PM
Apologies for being uninformed - what's the connection, Leeg? Great to see the lad get on tonight.

I taught him regularly and he was in my school football team from the age of 4-11.
Congratulations hopefully the first of many games for us.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: taylorsworkrate on August 27, 2019, 11:03:09 PM
If he hasn't won the Ballon D'or at least 5 times by the age of 25 we all know who to blame.......
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on August 27, 2019, 11:04:45 PM
And congratulations Legion, your joy is fully warranted, I think I'd bloody explode with pride in your position. What a night!
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: KRS on August 27, 2019, 11:11:13 PM
Were Cam and his brothers raised as Villa fans? If he is, it must be an amazing feeling for any player making his debut but also for the club you supported as a kid.

What’s the story with his brothers and where are they playing now?
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Axl Rose on August 27, 2019, 11:21:45 PM
I'm very pleased for you, Legion. It's such a great feeling when former students go on to do wonderful things.

I thought he looked sharp when he came on and look forward to seeing more of the lad, soon.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Colhint on August 27, 2019, 11:25:07 PM
If he hasn't won the Ballon D'or at least 5 times by the age of 25 we all know who to blame.......

No chance. at his age ballons are still for birthday parties
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Risso on August 27, 2019, 11:26:31 PM
They're using one of your videos on the Mail website Lee, this one:

www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=81&v=KBl7w_ipbQ4
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: MorrisNielson on August 27, 2019, 11:35:00 PM
Well done to the lad.
If he's still only 17 then he'll be in the top 30ish youngest debuts.
There's a list floating about somewhere. Once Cam's DOB is known I'll get the list updated.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 27, 2019, 11:41:44 PM
Strange how it goes, on the day Cam has the best day of his career, so far, his brother Jordan is out of a job as he played for Bury.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: purpletrousers on August 27, 2019, 11:43:05 PM
They're using one of your videos on the Mail website Lee, this one:

www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=81&v=KBl7w_ipbQ4

Wonderful!
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: purpletrousers on August 27, 2019, 11:43:21 PM
Strange how it goes, on the day Cam has the best day of his career, so far, his brother Jordan is out of a job as he played for Bury.

Terrible.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Legion on August 27, 2019, 11:52:56 PM
Jordan is on Bury's books. Lewis has just signed for Alvechurch. Arron runs his own football academy.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Legion on August 27, 2019, 11:54:11 PM
Were Cam and his brothers raised as Villa fans? If he is, it must be an amazing feeling for any player making his debut but also for the club you supported as a kid.

What’s the story with his brothers and where are they playing now?

Cam is a Villa fan. Dad is a Wolves fan. Think Jordan is Wolves and Lewis possibly Man Utd.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Legion on August 27, 2019, 11:55:04 PM
And congratulations Legion, your joy is fully warranted, I think I'd bloody explode with pride in your position. What a night!

I have been since yesterday. Bigger explosions at each key moment.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on August 28, 2019, 12:01:46 AM
And congratulations Legion, your joy is fully warranted, I think I'd bloody explode with pride in your position. What a night!

I have been since yesterday. Bigger explosions at each key moment.

Good for you, savour every bang.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 28, 2019, 12:02:30 AM
Lovely Legion . Well played. Really decidedly good stuff upon hearing connections. Brilliant .
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Bad English on August 28, 2019, 12:03:02 AM
I hope to see Cam make our opponents quiver in the near future.

I see your point. A feather in your cap for that one.

Yes, take a bow. (From the 'puns that only work written down' drawer).
Point of order, there were two: a cam is a pulley used in those big compound bows.

I hope we don't draw too much with our Archer.

Oh, and Legion I was really chuffed for you when I saw him getting ready to come on.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Legion on August 28, 2019, 12:05:26 AM
Kept in touch regularly with him and his Dad over the years once he left Primary school. Seen him play at every level for the Villa at BMH and elsewhere since the age of 6. The last 24+ hours have been ever so special.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Risso on August 28, 2019, 12:06:33 AM
Excellent stuff Lee, he looks the part.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Legion on August 28, 2019, 12:06:43 AM
I hope to see Cam make our opponents quiver in the near future.

I see your point. A feather in your cap for that one.

Yes, take a bow. (From the 'puns that only work written down' drawer).
Point of order, there were two: a cam is a pulley used in those big compound bows.

I hope we don't draw too much with our Archer.

Oh, and Legion I was really chuffed for you when I saw him getting ready to come on.

Cheers. I did shed a tear or two of joy. His pitch entrance is on our FB Page.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: KRS on August 28, 2019, 05:51:03 AM
Were Cam and his brothers raised as Villa fans? If he is, it must be an amazing feeling for any player making his debut but also for the club you supported as a kid.

What’s the story with his brothers and where are they playing now?

Cam is a Villa fan. Dad is a Wolves fan. Think Jordan is Wolves and Lewis possibly Man Utd.
Excellent. Makes it even the more special for Cam, his family and friends...and everyone who supports the Villa! 😊
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: brian green on August 28, 2019, 07:19:32 AM
Well played Lee.  Very happy for you.  Supportive teacher, school, parents, club, all the lad needs now is a bit of luck.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: brian green on August 28, 2019, 07:35:45 AM
First bit of luck being managed by Dean Smith.   Bruce would have had  him languishing behind a queue of 30 something year olds who could roll their sleeves up.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: AV82EC on August 28, 2019, 07:57:23 AM
Have obviously heard a lot about this lad through Legions updates on here down the last few years. A very tidy and constructive cameo debut. Good on the ball and holding it up despite the physicality of the Crewe CBs and held the ball well. Was always looking to be constructive and what really struck me despite his tender years was how he didn’t look out of place, just slotted in and got on with his job. He’s a young U23 at 17 and would be good to see him out on loan in a season or two to continue his development. Great stuff.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Scratchins on August 28, 2019, 08:17:06 AM
I don't know Cam nor Legion but I have followed the story on here for a long time. It was great to see him come on and even better to see that he looked the part. 
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Mister E on August 28, 2019, 08:40:42 AM
Teachers who nurture talent and follow the progress after the child has moved on ... a role model for others, Lee.
Well done, Sir!




The fact that it's at the Villa makes it really cool.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Legion on August 28, 2019, 09:44:05 AM
He is the only member of the U23s without a pro contract.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Exeter 77 on August 28, 2019, 09:52:55 AM
He is the only member of the U23s without a pro contract.
Is that because he isn't 18 yet or a different reason? Even just based on his cameo from last night he is worthy of one.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Legion on August 28, 2019, 09:53:52 AM
I don't know the reason why, to be honest.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: JD on August 28, 2019, 10:11:31 AM
Great news for Cam, his family and Leeg.

You must all be bursting with pride ;).
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Legion on August 28, 2019, 10:14:39 AM
We are. Just watched the extended highlights. Wish he'd have tried a shot instead of playing it across the goal...
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: JD on August 28, 2019, 10:17:20 AM
That's what i thought as well.

Wish he had backed himself to have a go, but his cameo looked very promising. 
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Bad English on August 28, 2019, 10:19:07 AM
I was waiting for that one JD. Good work!
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: OCD on August 28, 2019, 11:19:35 AM
It's not like the bench was overloaded with kids either so Smith obviously thinks a lot of him. A pro contract won't be far away.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: in exile on August 28, 2019, 11:26:17 AM
Very pleased for you Lee.
It was a very promising debut and I look forward to seeing more of him.
His parents must be very proud.
Another part of the Aston Villa feel good factor at the moment
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: john e on August 28, 2019, 12:22:19 PM
Seeing young players making their debuts for Villa and look promising is a greater joy for me than the big signings doing the same
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Ad@m on August 28, 2019, 01:08:23 PM
He is the only member of the U23s without a pro contract.
Is that because he isn't 18 yet or a different reason? Even just based on his cameo from last night he is worthy of one.

He's already 18 isn't he?  Transfermarkt has his birthday down as 21 July 2001.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Legion on August 28, 2019, 02:29:35 PM
No, he is 17.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Villa Lew on August 28, 2019, 02:34:58 PM
Wikipedia have got it wrong as well, they've got the same date of birth. Delighted for him and you Legion.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: berneboy on August 28, 2019, 09:45:41 PM
I'm very pleased for you, Legion. It's such a great feeling when former students go on to do wonderful things.

..

I've had a couple of my u11s make it as professionals.

... at rugby league. I'm not sure what that says about my coaching!
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Risso on August 29, 2019, 08:53:20 AM
Not really an important point, but I guess the ban on players wearing advertising on their shirts if they're under 18 must not apply to the first team.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Legion on August 29, 2019, 09:54:41 AM
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Legion on August 29, 2019, 09:54:53 AM
17...
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Exeter 77 on August 29, 2019, 10:18:21 AM
A Q&A on Pravda.
https://www.avfc.co.uk/News/2019/08/29/getting-to-know-cameron-archer
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Drummond on August 29, 2019, 10:26:34 AM
Well I think he's disrespectful.


Q] Who has helped you get to this stage the most?
Like most others, I would imagine, I’d have to say my family.

Leeg, I bet you're gutted.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Legion on August 29, 2019, 10:44:53 AM
It's definitely his family.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Legion on August 29, 2019, 10:46:15 AM
Plus he was there from the age of 6.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: j66acd on August 29, 2019, 10:49:04 AM
Can’t wait for him to get his first goal so we can see his bow and arrow celebration.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Legion on August 29, 2019, 11:07:33 AM
Plus he was there from the age of 6.

7.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Drummond on August 29, 2019, 12:24:42 PM
It's definitely his family.

I was kidding, didn't come across like that mind!
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Legion on August 29, 2019, 01:12:04 PM
It's definitely his family.

I was kidding, didn't come across like that mind!

I know you were. His Dad has been magnificent, mind, and deserves a substantial amount of credit for everything he has done over the years.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: NottsVilla on August 29, 2019, 01:37:08 PM
It's a fantastic story Legion and I'm sure you're immensely proud.

Did you always know that Archer had something a bit special about him from when you first started coaching him?
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: darren woolley on August 29, 2019, 01:51:07 PM
Congratulations Legion for doing such a wonderful job are there any more in the pipeline.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Legion on August 29, 2019, 02:40:12 PM
It's a fantastic story Legion and I'm sure you're immensely proud.

Did you always know that Archer had something a bit special about him from when you first started coaching him?

I am. I knew immediately that he was something special. He was in Reception when he made his debut for my Y5/6 'B' team with his parents permission. There were lots of 'Aaahs' when he came on to the pitch. 30 seconds later after he had taken the ball from the halfway line, through most of the opposition and hit a bullet shot which their GK managed to just palm on to the post for a corner you could have heard a pin drop and the smile on his Mom's face was glorious.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 29, 2019, 02:48:02 PM
It's a fantastic story Legion and I'm sure you're immensely proud.

Did you always know that Archer had something a bit special about him from when you first started coaching him?

I am. I knew immediately that he was something special. He was in Reception when he made his debut for my Y5/6 'B' team with his parents permission. There were lots of 'Aaahs' when he came on to the pitch. 30 seconds later after he had taken the ball from the halfway line, through most of the opposition and hit a bullet shot which their GK managed to just palm on to the post for a corner you could have heard a pin drop and the smile on his Mom's face was glorious.


That would have been good on camera
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: dcdavecollett on August 30, 2019, 12:22:52 AM
Well done, Leeg. Thought of you when I heard he had come on.

Let's hope for other things to celebrate as his career develops.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 30, 2019, 12:27:39 AM
I had assumed you were his dad, Legion!
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Legion on September 01, 2019, 09:14:33 PM
Strange how it goes, on the day Cam has the best day of his career, so far, his brother Jordan is out of a job as he played for Bury.

Jordan has now got a contract with Port Vale. He was an unused sub this weekend.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Havencheese on September 03, 2019, 01:12:46 PM
Going to have to keep an eye out for this kid, he's just got so much spark about him.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Hookeysmith on September 03, 2019, 02:03:46 PM
If he plays for the U23's tonight at Salford City in the EFL cup then I am going and can watch him fully in the flesh.

I work up here for 3 days per week so thought - why not - and as its only a £10 be nice to see if we have any decent kids coming through
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Legion on September 03, 2019, 02:36:59 PM
As far as I am aware he is playing this evening.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: wittonwarrior on September 04, 2019, 02:37:56 AM
Runs a lot but is very raw, based on tonight's performance alone.  There were better performances out there at Salford.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Hookeysmith on September 04, 2019, 01:19:51 PM
As I said on the other thread - close up the most alarming thing was the sheer size and physicality of the Salford lot compared to our babbies.

Although we passed it very nicely at times Cameron didn't really get a sniff but considering the 2 scorers for them earn an estimated approx. £32K per month between them it is a step up in class to playing against other U23 teams I would imagine
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: TheTimVilla on September 04, 2019, 03:46:26 PM
Plus he was there from the age of 6.

7.

I hate it when you two argue with each other
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Legion on December 09, 2019, 03:02:50 PM
18 years old today. I can remember when he was 4. I feel so old.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: JJ-AV on December 09, 2019, 07:51:02 PM
Needs to be on the bench if Kodjia isn't going to be used
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Legion on December 09, 2019, 09:34:32 PM
Agreed. He is playing for the U18s tomorrow in the FA Youth Cup at Stevenage.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Legion on June 09, 2020, 09:57:31 PM
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Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: sid1964 on June 10, 2020, 05:53:01 AM
Standing with his hands in his pockets?
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Steve67 on June 10, 2020, 07:15:42 PM
Standing with his hands in his pockets?

Blimey Leeg!  Did you teach him nothing? ;-)
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: LeeB on June 10, 2020, 07:44:37 PM
He hasn't got his hands in his pocket though.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: eamonn on June 10, 2020, 07:49:27 PM
Is he a fan of Alanis Morrissette perchance?
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: brian green on June 10, 2020, 08:10:25 PM
I think he lists his hobby as Morrissette Dancing. 
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: CT on June 10, 2020, 08:21:30 PM
Is he a fan of Alanis Morrissette perchance?

That would be ironic. Sorry.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Legion on June 29, 2020, 09:55:36 PM
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Two year scholarship deal for the U18s signed two years ago today when he was 16. Now a regular for the U23s and had a cameo subs appearance vs Crewe in the cup for the first team. Still only 18 years of age.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: dcdavecollett on June 30, 2020, 12:43:49 AM
I hope he's staying on, Leeg.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: SaddVillan on June 30, 2020, 08:53:20 PM
Expect that Archer, Ramsey and several of the other "rising" 18 yr old age group players (possibly Louie Barry?) to be shipped out on loan next season.

Serves 2 purposes:

Enables the club to see if they've got what It takes.
Allows the next group of players to move up through the age groups
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: dcdavecollett on July 01, 2020, 01:22:26 AM
Yes, it's sad but there is a need to clear the decks; something that we have clearly done in the last two summers.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: ROBBO on July 01, 2020, 01:53:11 AM
It worries me that even with the atrocious form of the senior squad not one young player has been thought good enough to be given a chance. All the money spent on developement and little to show for it.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Steve67 on July 01, 2020, 08:45:00 AM
Expect that Archer, Ramsey and several of the other "rising" 18 yr old age group players (possibly Louie Barry?) to be shipped out on loan next season.

Serves 2 purposes:

Enables the club to see if they've got what It takes.
Allows the next group of players to move up through the age groups

This is why I want to see the bigger clubs link with the smaller clubs, like Villa/Walsall, so we can loan them players and help them financially by paying the salaries.  Send them two or three of our really talented players who are not yet ready to make that step up, although, if we drop to the Championship, Barry would be in my 25.  Throw him in at the deep end.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: OCD on July 01, 2020, 10:33:14 AM
If we go down, I would like to see a squad of 16-18 experienced players who could be relied upon and then filling the rest of the squad with young players who will get their chance at one stage or another.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: paul_e on July 01, 2020, 11:29:22 AM
It worries me that even with the atrocious form of the senior squad not one young player has been thought good enough to be given a chance. All the money spent on developement and little to show for it.

This is just what happens, a senior player puts in average performance after average performance but always gets another chance, youth players get cameos at best and unless they're obviously better than the senior player they're straight back out of the side afterwards.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: dcdavecollett on July 01, 2020, 11:54:49 PM
Yes, and it's wrong.

Derby County hardly ever played a youngster under Rowett. Now their team is packed with kids -and look at the results.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: robbo1874 on July 02, 2020, 12:04:36 PM
DC - maybe Lampard takes some credit for that? He has surprised me this season with Chelelsea- thought they might crash and burn, in all honesty. Terry’s got slim to no chance of getting that gig now for a while.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: dcdavecollett on July 03, 2020, 01:24:13 AM
Lumplard played a couple, but it was mostly loan players with him.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: OCD on July 03, 2020, 11:09:07 AM
I think last season there was pressure on Lampard to get Derby promoted. When that didn't happen I think they knew their budget would be smaller so they consciously selected a manager who could work with young players and was given the brief that he would be given time and this season was part of a bigger plan.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Legion on July 03, 2020, 10:31:40 PM
I hope he's staying on, Leeg.

So do I.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: dcdavecollett on July 04, 2020, 12:10:29 AM
OCD, agree with everything in your last post. I like to think that in a year's time we'll have plenty of young players in our team, too.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: OCD on July 05, 2020, 03:07:53 PM
Probably all depends on what league we're in. If we do go down, I would like to see the most promising ones to become a big part of the squad. If we stay up, they may be better going out on loan rather than getting the odd few minutes here and there.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Legion on July 05, 2020, 07:09:20 PM
He'd offer a hell of a lot more than Davis.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Ads on July 06, 2020, 03:20:16 PM
Signed a deal.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Legion on July 06, 2020, 03:38:33 PM
First pro-contract signed this morning. Well made up for him!
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 06, 2020, 03:45:28 PM
Good stuff 🙂
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Legion on July 06, 2020, 04:40:17 PM
(https://scontent-lhr8-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/s960x960/107481710_3823601534334043_6802107667597783176_o.jpg?_nc_cat=107&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=fclfTt3dghUAX8S9BkW&_nc_ht=scontent-lhr8-1.xx&_nc_tp=7&oh=05cc960a956df610761e5fe6de63049e&oe=5F2A3459)
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Legion on July 06, 2020, 04:41:24 PM
(https://scontent-lht6-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/107463979_3823743314319865_884818079551988396_n.jpg?_nc_cat=106&_nc_sid=1480c5&_nc_ohc=w9tpnqYZi70AX8G1obE&_nc_ht=scontent-lht6-1.xx&oh=3e5bbe4c47863fcfc0ffafd6e46132ea&oe=5F2A7F23)
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 06, 2020, 05:44:46 PM
Good luck.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: brian green on July 06, 2020, 05:57:06 PM
X 2
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Ian. on July 06, 2020, 06:16:15 PM
Great news, looking forward to seeing him play.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Mister E on July 06, 2020, 06:20:48 PM
We really have got to make more of this latest crop of kids. Shit, we're in the 2nd largest conurbation in the UK and do not develop enough of our own. Yes, it's more difficult when we're in the top tier (maybe that'll change soon) but we have not used the loan-out system well enough and do not seem to have good individual development plans in place for each of the ones most likely to succeed (I do not know that for sure, of course, but I've seen no evidence of it).

Good luck to Cameron: we'll all be well made up if he becomes part of our future.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: thick_mike on July 06, 2020, 07:00:24 PM
Hope the new academy staff can do a better job of bringing these prospects through.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 06, 2020, 07:28:41 PM
Good luck Cameron
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Risso on July 06, 2020, 07:33:35 PM
Good lad.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Legion on July 06, 2020, 08:55:11 PM
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Legion on July 06, 2020, 10:48:43 PM
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/just-getting-started-striker-confirms-18550923
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Legion on July 06, 2020, 10:49:16 PM
Replace xxxx with birminghammail.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: JD on July 07, 2020, 08:28:17 AM
Fantastic news. Now let's get him in the squad for the rest of the season.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Legion on July 07, 2020, 11:39:04 AM
Unlikely to happen, unfortunately. Smith prefers Vassilev.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Legion on July 07, 2020, 12:27:12 PM
From about 10 or so years ago:

(https://scontent-lhr8-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/107307207_2661506427450290_3882831280808974344_n.jpg?_nc_cat=111&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=lOM-ZSp80uYAX_Sg7dB&_nc_ht=scontent-lhr8-1.xx&oh=a57bc843d72286302cb3e9a42c4d7888&oe=5F29562D)

(https://scontent-lht6-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/107109640_3826168327410697_1214352337656761854_o.jpg?_nc_cat=106&_nc_sid=1480c5&_nc_ohc=q_X0zOpQYswAX-P3Inh&_nc_ht=scontent-lht6-1.xx&oh=9917899ec9ff8f2830832e3442b64376&oe=5F296AC2)
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: WarszaVillan82 on July 07, 2020, 12:28:29 PM


Should have shot.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Legion on July 07, 2020, 05:32:19 PM
Definitely.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: eamonn on July 07, 2020, 05:57:29 PM
God, those cute pics of him as a kid were only ten years ago?! Way to make us all feel old!

Don't remember having Paddy McGuinness working for the club and overseeing youth contracts though.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Legion on July 07, 2020, 07:57:48 PM
Cam with a goal from a couple of years ago vs a Blackburn Rovers side who were 2 years+ older (Academy game). This is what he is capable of. His 'weaker' foot as well.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=3827162723977924&id=129445223749711

Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Legion on July 07, 2020, 08:00:54 PM
Can't get it to embed on here. Sorry.

https://www.facebook.com/handv/videos/884281285401163/
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: myf on July 07, 2020, 08:11:20 PM
God, those cute pics of him as a kid were only ten years ago?! Way to make us all feel old!

Don't remember having Paddy McGuinness working for the club and overseeing youth contracts though.

Ben Petty.  now at Leicester
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Legion on July 07, 2020, 08:16:18 PM
This season vs Tranmere Rovers in the cup:

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=3827202337307296&id=129445223749711
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Legion on July 28, 2020, 09:46:18 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cameron_Archer
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Villa Lew on July 30, 2020, 10:19:20 PM
Haven't they got his DOB wrong Legion?
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Legion on July 30, 2020, 10:28:59 PM
Yes. Thanks for that.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Legion on July 30, 2020, 10:30:42 PM
9.12.01 is the correct date.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: chrisw1 on July 31, 2020, 01:41:34 PM
This season vs Tranmere Rovers in the cup:

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=3827202337307296&id=129445223749711
Have Tranmere been working with our set piece coach?  That throw looks like it comes straight from our first team playbook.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Legion on July 31, 2020, 01:43:49 PM
9.12.01 is the correct date.

Some clueless individual has changed it back!
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Mister E on July 31, 2020, 03:05:10 PM
9.12.01 is the correct date.

Some clueless individual has changed it back!
Not Cam I hope!!
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Legion on August 26, 2020, 09:58:40 PM
Cam with our goal: https://twitter.com/StratfordTownFC/status/1298707197749342208?s=08
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: WilliamStanding on August 26, 2020, 10:14:58 PM
Huge potential, really promising lad.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Legion on August 26, 2020, 10:23:38 PM
Huge potential, really promising lad.


He has and most definitely is.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Legion on August 27, 2020, 08:27:15 PM
First team debut was a year ago today.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 27, 2020, 08:53:13 PM
First team debut was a year ago today.
has he done much since? I don't keep up with the youth team stuff much.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Legion on August 27, 2020, 08:57:28 PM
First team debut was a year ago today.
has he done much since? I don't keep up with the youth team stuff much.

Regular for the U23s and recently signed his first pro-contract. Scored for the U23s the other day in a 1-1 draw. No other first team opportunities, unfortunately. Yet.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: brentastonb6 on August 27, 2020, 10:14:06 PM
How old is he ?
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Legion on August 27, 2020, 10:14:50 PM
18.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 27, 2020, 10:17:04 PM
Let's be honest - he's only 18, has only just signed his first pro contract - how many first team opportunities is it realistic for him to get?
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Legion on August 27, 2020, 10:19:34 PM
Training with the first team and a place on the bench.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: brentastonb6 on August 27, 2020, 10:21:21 PM
18.
Thank you, I subscribe to the Christian Purslow school of thought - he needs to be getting a place in the squad this season then and at least a good run in the cups at his age . We’ve had so many alleged kids of quality at our club this century that you become more sceptical about any of them making the grade at the highest level.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Legion on August 27, 2020, 10:23:31 PM
18.
Thank you, I subscribe to the Christian Purslow school of thought - he needs to be getting a place in the squad this season then and at least a good run in the cups at his age . We’ve had so many alleged kids of quality at our club this century that you become more sceptical about any of them making the grade at the highest level.

Agreed. I personally think he will, given the chance. As I do Ramsey. Not too convinced about Vassilev.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: paul_e on August 27, 2020, 10:28:15 PM
I'd be looking for half season loans for Archer and Vassilev (probably 3-4 others as well). Ramsey is slightly ahead because he's had a short spell at Doncaster and did well enough to show he's definitely got the ability to be worth a look.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 27, 2020, 10:34:04 PM
18.
Thank you, I subscribe to the Christian Purslow school of thought - he needs to be getting a place in the squad this season then and at least a good run in the cups at his age . We’ve had so many alleged kids of quality at our club this century that you become more sceptical about any of them making the grade at the highest level.

Agreed. I personally think he will, given the chance. As I do Ramsey. Not too convinced about Vassilev.

Nor me. I wish the lad well but I have no idea what or where he's supposed to be.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 27, 2020, 11:13:49 PM
Huge potential, really promising lad.


Agree with you, tiocfaidh a lá!
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Hillbilly on August 28, 2020, 03:27:43 AM

Agree with you, tiocfaidh a lá!

Blimey Chucky, Portuguese really looks very similar to Irish. ;)
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: algy on August 30, 2020, 07:15:53 AM
18.
Thank you, I subscribe to the Christian Purslow school of thought - he needs to be getting a place in the squad this season then and at least a good run in the cups at his age . We’ve had so many alleged kids of quality at our club this century that you become more sceptical about any of them making the grade at the highest level.
I think we've really not used the loan system to our advantage in recent years. I think someone posted on here that they thought 20/21 year old players should have about 75 games under their belts already, which i agreed with. Especially now with the wage cap, can see League 1/2 squads being reliant on loans. We should make sure that at least 5-10 players a season are playing regular, first team football where they're in a similar role to how we expect them to play if they make it, ideally at a club with a similar playing style.

I do think so few are coming through, in part, because they're just not getting the experience they need to make the step up.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Gareth on August 30, 2020, 08:41:31 AM
What we don’t want to see again is trying to win u23 leagues by keeping a full u23 squad like in days of Bannan & co, much more important that those players are loaned out to play proper football....although if I remember correctly in a yrs time there are restrictions in amount of players loaned out to 6? Which is when you will the big clubs buying smaller clubs abroad like Man City have been doing to traffic players through
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Lastfootstamper on August 30, 2020, 09:17:41 AM
What we don’t want to see again is trying to win u23 leagues by keeping a full u23 squad like in days of Bannan & co, much more important that those players are loaned out to play proper football....although if I remember correctly in a yrs time there are restrictions in amount of players loaned out to 6? Which is when you will the big clubs buying smaller clubs abroad like Man City have been doing to traffic players through

There was talk of FIFA beginning reductions this season and phasing in further lowered limits over 3 years to give domestic FAs time to adjust their systems, but it was before The Event so it's possibly been binned or postponed. I think it eventually restricts the amount of over-21s a club could loan to an aggregate total of six, so if you'd got two in you could only loan four out.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Legion on August 31, 2020, 09:21:57 PM
The mechanism behind uploading articles and images to wikipedia is so far up it's own arse it is untrue. The trouble I am currently having here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cameron_Archer) with the image of Cam taken from Pravda is beyond belief.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Bad English on August 31, 2020, 09:33:50 PM
You can't take photos from Pravda them stick them on Wikipedia! FFS Leeg!
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: manic-road on September 02, 2020, 07:48:59 AM
Archer played 60 minutes last night and scored in a 7-0 win over Tamworth.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Hookeysmith on September 02, 2020, 01:31:30 PM
Anyone have the team sheet and other scorers?
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Legion on September 02, 2020, 01:32:13 PM
It's all I know. Sorry.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Hookeysmith on September 02, 2020, 01:35:47 PM
Nothing on Pravda either
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Legion on September 02, 2020, 01:37:35 PM
There rarely ever is.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Legion on September 07, 2020, 09:48:01 PM
Vote for Cam or I'll ban you.

https://twitter.com/AVFCU23/status/1303067980616667136?s=08

I won't really.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: hilts_coolerking on September 07, 2020, 09:57:49 PM
I'm tempted to vote for Mary, Mungo and Bridge.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 08, 2020, 09:52:20 AM
Vote for Cam or I'll ban you.

https://twitter.com/AVFCU23/status/1303067980616667136?s=08

I won't really.

Done. It looks like your bully boy tactics have worked!
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Legion on September 08, 2020, 09:55:09 AM
Thank you. He was already on 50%+ when I posted it. Will be interesting to see how he fares in direct competition with Vassilev in the Final. Same rules apply!
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Legion on September 08, 2020, 01:23:33 PM
Final:

https://twitter.com/AVFCU23/status/1303295545423917057?s=08

Voted for Cam.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 08, 2020, 01:26:29 PM
Done. Not looking good for your boy though.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Legion on September 08, 2020, 01:28:03 PM
Thanks. I know.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: ozzjim on September 08, 2020, 01:54:39 PM
Voted, but not looking good.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Legion on September 09, 2020, 09:39:23 PM
He caught up by a lot but at the end it was not quite enough. Thanks to all who voted for him. He came runner-up.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Risso on September 09, 2020, 09:58:58 PM
A vote on an unofficial Twitter account?  Not that important, surely?
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: sickbeggar on September 09, 2020, 10:19:11 PM
Don't knock it. Over the weekend Ian Brown liked a post that mentioned me and i got 9 new followers 8) I only had 3.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Legion on September 09, 2020, 10:20:48 PM
Important enough. About the only outlet that promotes the U23s other than on here. The coverage from Pravda is shocking.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: paul_e on September 09, 2020, 10:25:24 PM
Next time they have a meeting with the fan groups can whoever goes from here please make a bit more noise about that. It's really not good enough that the official site gives so little info on the U23s and U18s.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Legion on September 09, 2020, 10:26:31 PM
Agreed. I've asked for that to be brought up a few times but it has never been put forward.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Drummond on September 09, 2020, 11:15:04 PM
Perhaps the club want to keep the younger players from too much exposure and press coverage too early.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: paul_e on September 10, 2020, 07:43:03 AM
Maybe, but having a page about their results and getting the social media team to live report on games doesn't add pressure, it just allows fans to follow them.

On top of that learning to handle that pressure is part of the transition from u23 to first team so it's probably a good thing.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: chrisw1 on September 10, 2020, 08:01:29 AM
Hi Legion, hope you don't mind me asking bit I wondered what your relationship with Cam was?  I presume you've mentioned it before but I've not picked up on it.  Obviously if you'd prefer to keep to yourself that's fine.

edit - sorry, found it!
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Legion on September 10, 2020, 12:42:10 PM
Hi Legion, hope you don't mind me asking bit I wondered what your relationship with Cam was?  I presume you've mentioned it before but I've not picked up on it.  Obviously if you'd prefer to keep to yourself that's fine.

edit - sorry, found it!

Don't mind at all. Loads of info on the first couple of pages of this thread.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Legion on September 10, 2020, 12:42:43 PM
Article by the Boss about the Crewe game (http://thebirminghampress.com/2019/08/all-change-for-villa-at-crewe/)
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: OCD on September 10, 2020, 12:44:38 PM
2019 article?
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Legion on September 10, 2020, 12:46:04 PM
Yes. His first team debut.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: OCD on September 10, 2020, 12:50:23 PM
Ah. Hopefully he's involved against Burton.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Legion on September 10, 2020, 12:55:22 PM
Highly unlikely, unfortunately. Smith prefers Vassilev as can be seen by the most recent U23 team selection.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 10, 2020, 04:52:53 PM
Vassilev needs to be loaned out.

I was wondering what on earth happened to Dominic Revan considering he was our back up CB in championship 18 months back when we had those injuries. Played the other night and is 20 next week, never played a senior football league game in his career.

We have a nasty habit of keeping our youth team players around here until they're 20-21, then they finally get a loan.

Would loan those two and Kesler out given we're very well stocked with right back options now.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: SheffieldVillain on September 10, 2020, 04:59:17 PM
Vassilev needs to be loaned out.

I was wondering what on earth happened to Dominic Revan considering he was our back up CB in championship 18 months back when we had those injuries. Played the other night and is 20 next week, never played a senior football league game in his career.

We have a nasty habit of keeping our youth team players around here until they're 20-21, then they finally get a loan.

And then get released. Something we really have to get better at.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Legion on September 17, 2020, 04:06:33 PM
https://www.avfc.co.uk/players/u23/cameronarcher
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Kevin Dawson on September 17, 2020, 04:44:35 PM
https://www.avfc.co.uk/players/u23/cameronarcher

Why is is birth date unknown?
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Legion on September 17, 2020, 04:49:25 PM
Probably just laziness. It's on his wikipedia page.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Legion on September 17, 2020, 05:11:01 PM
Vassilev to Burton Albion for the season.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on September 17, 2020, 05:17:29 PM
Vassilev to Burton Albion for the season.
Gonna need a new Players "Out on loan" thread I think.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Legion on September 17, 2020, 05:20:13 PM
Oops! Wrong thread. Sorry all.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Legion on September 25, 2020, 08:52:03 PM
Scored this evening for the U23s.

https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2020/september/U23s-Aston-Villa-1-2-Reading/
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Legion on September 25, 2020, 09:11:40 PM
Thanks to MorrisNielson for the initial data. Updated:

Youngest First Team Debutants:
1969-70 - Jimmy Brown - 15 years & 349 days
1959-60 - Norman Ashe - 16 years & 47 days
2014-15 - Rushian Hepburn-Murphy  - 16 years & 176 days
1957-58 - Walter Hazelden - 16 years & 269 days
1960-61 - Alan Baker - 16 years & 290 days
1963-64 - Mick Wright - 16 years & 347 days
1960-61 - John Sleeuwenhoek - 17 years & 37 days
1997-98 - Gareth Barry - 17 years & 68 days
1975-76 - Gordon Cowans - 17 years & 103 days
2000-01 - Stephen Cooke - 17 years & 169 days
1978-79 - Lee Jenkins - 17 years & 176 days
1960-61 - Ralph Brown - 17 years & 177 days
1976-77 - Ivor Linton - 17 years & 177 days
1984-85 - Tony Daley - 17 years & 184 days
2008-09 - Nathan Delfouneso - 17 years & 194 days
1978-79 - Gary Shaw - 17 years & 217 days
1999-00 - Jonathan Bewers - 17 years & 218 days
1973-74 - Bobby Campbell - 17 years & 219 days
2015-16 - Andre Green - 17 years & 231 days
2019-20 - Cameron Archer 17 years & 262 days
2018-19 - Jacob Ramsey - 17 years & 264 days
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Legion on October 01, 2020, 09:47:10 PM
I am at a loss as to how Keinan Davi(e)s is preferred over giving Archer another opportunity, especially in a game like tonight. He is just not up to it and it has been seen time after time after time.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: tony scott on October 02, 2020, 10:17:58 AM
I think the persistence with Keinen is due to his recent 4 year contract, and to try another young Striker questions that contract, I just wonder what we aren’t seeing. I hope we bring another striker in.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Drummond on October 02, 2020, 11:41:30 AM
I think the persistence with Keinen is due to his recent 4 year contract, and to try another young Striker questions that contract, I just wonder what we aren’t seeing. I hope we bring another striker in.

The coaches will not persist with someone because of a contract. The contract will have been given because he's worth persisting with.

He, along with the others last night are not first choice in their positions and therefore were given game time. That they didn't do really well just shows the coaching staff have been picking the right players.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Risso on October 02, 2020, 12:31:56 PM
I think the new contract was mainly so we don't lose him for nothing.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Legion on October 02, 2020, 02:34:05 PM
Out on loan until January:

https://www.solihullmoorsfc.co.uk/news/moors-snap-up-villa-hotshot-2574005.html?
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Legion on October 02, 2020, 02:34:36 PM
Quote
Welcome to the Moors, Cameron Archer...
Solihull Moors are delighted to announce the long-term loan signing of Aston Villa striker Cameron Archer.

Archer’s deal runs until January 3rd and the 18-year-old hotshot is available for selection ahead of tomorrow’s National League opener at Woking.

The teenager will provide competition to Adam Rooney in the striking department as Moors boss Jimmy Shan looks to bolster his attack ahead of the upcoming campaign.

Born in Walsall, Archer showed star potential from an early age and was head-hunted by Villa at six-years-old.

The tag ‘one to watch’ soon became synonymous with Archer who regularly played in higher year groups for his age.

So it was no surprise when Archer broke into Villa’s u23 side at just 16-years-old and he has been a regular ever since.

His performances at youth level caught the eye and first team boss Dean Smith handed Archer his senior debut during Villa’s second round Carabao Cup tie at Crewe last August.

That same season, Villa entered an u23 side in the EFL trophy, Archer starred and grabbed the headlines with a long range strike against Tranmere Rovers.

Moors will be hoping the promising youngster shows such flashes of brilliance throughout his stay at the SportNation.bet Stadium.

Archer said: “I’m delighted to join the club and be around first team football.

“There are some familiar faces here. I worked with Richard Beale at under-18 level last season at Villa, so he already knows what I’m about.

“I’d like to think I’m a quick, sharp striker and I hope the fans see some goals.”
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Risso on October 02, 2020, 02:46:03 PM
That's a really good move for the lad.  He should fill his boots down there.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: Legion on October 02, 2020, 02:46:54 PM
Agreed. He desperately needs first team football to show what he is capable of and his family wanted somewhere local for him.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer
Post by: OCD on October 02, 2020, 02:48:38 PM
Got to laugh at 3 months being considered 'long-term'.

Happy that he's getting first team football at a young age though. Hope he's prolific for them.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: Risso on October 02, 2020, 02:57:53 PM
Got to laugh at 3 months being considered 'long-term'.


It is when you're 18!
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: paul_e on October 02, 2020, 03:09:44 PM
Good move and hopefully it can be followed up with a league 1/2 side in January.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: Legion on October 02, 2020, 03:35:12 PM
https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2020/october/Archer-joins-Moors-on-loan/
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: Legion on October 02, 2020, 03:35:29 PM
Quote
Cameron Archer has joined Solihull Moors on loan until January.

The pacy teenage forward has made the short move across the midlands to link up with the Vanarama National League side, whose league season gets underway this weekend.

Academy graduate Archer has made three appearances for Villa’s Under-23s so far this season.

He made his first-team debut last term in the club’s Carabao Cup triumph at Crewe Alexandra, stepping off the bench as a late substitute.

Good luck at the Moors, Cameron!
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: Drummond on October 02, 2020, 04:04:01 PM
Interesting move. Lower level than I thought, but I'm guessing from the comments a local option was all they wanted. Clearly not felt to be anywhere near enough the first team squad though I'm surprised a Walsall move hasn't happened.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: eamonn on October 02, 2020, 05:27:53 PM
Good move? Quite a low level. I thought people were touting him for the first team.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: Legion on October 02, 2020, 05:35:37 PM
They are and the U23 coaching staff rate him highly, but he has dropped off Smith's radar. This short term loan move should get him regular first team football with a springboard to a higher level in the future, show Smith what he is missing out on and means he stays fairly local at the request of his family.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: algy on October 02, 2020, 07:30:53 PM
I think it's a decent move for him. Should let him get a few first team games under his belt and hopefully be enough to make a few L1/L2 sides want him in on loan.

Think it might be worth trying to build up a good relationship with a club like them anyway, nice way to get those 17/18 year old lads a bit of first team experience early on in their development, without them having to relocate and so on.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: Ad@m on October 02, 2020, 09:00:03 PM
Can't imagine their fans will give him an easy ride - they're all closet Noses aren't they?
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: Legion on October 02, 2020, 09:11:02 PM
Yes. Quite a few barbed comments already on the club's Twatter feed.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: Legion on October 02, 2020, 09:15:37 PM
https://twitter.com/SolihullMoors/status/1312015310459994113?s=08
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 02, 2020, 09:19:05 PM
https://twitter.com/SolihullMoors/status/1312015310459994113?s=08

There's a couple of things about the Villa - you'd get the same if anyone from a league club went to Stour.  It's hardly Welcome to Hell.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 02, 2020, 09:26:09 PM
Standard twitter muppets.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: brontebilly on October 02, 2020, 10:13:02 PM
They are and the U23 coaching staff rate him highly, but he has dropped off Smith's radar. This short term loan move should get him regular first team football with a springboard to a higher level in the future, show Smith what he is missing out on and means he stays fairly local at the request of his family.

It's a very low level though. Not being on the radar of a localish L1/L2 club would have to be a concern surely? Especially with Smith's connections at Walsall.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: AVH87 on October 02, 2020, 10:51:32 PM
Surprised hes off to play non league football given I've seen comments asking for him to be included in our match day 18.

Clearly seen as a long way from that level at the moment and Vassilev got a local league 1 loan move.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: Havencheese on October 03, 2020, 01:22:21 AM
Somebody please remind those twats from Twatterland that, effective as of yesterday Villa has retired his shirt number until his return date. So, um there.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: Axl Rose on October 03, 2020, 02:28:21 AM
Good luck to him. Looks a talent.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: algy on October 03, 2020, 07:54:09 AM
They are and the U23 coaching staff rate him highly, but he has dropped off Smith's radar. This short term loan move should get him regular first team football with a springboard to a higher level in the future, show Smith what he is missing out on and means he stays fairly local at the request of his family.

It's a very low level though. Not being on the radar of a localish L1/L2 club would have to be a concern surely? Especially with Smith's connections at Walsall.
Solihull Moors, in their defence, are one of the better clubs in the division immediately below L2. At 17-18 I think it's not a terrible level to be playing at (Tyrone Mings & Jamie Vardy would've both been playing at a lower level around the same age .. and Ian Taylor would've been playing at the same club at that age).
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on October 03, 2020, 08:46:48 AM
Have been to 2 Solihull Moors games and both times there seemed to be a mix of fans leaning towards Villa or Blues.

Certainly didn't seem predominantly noses.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 03, 2020, 10:28:50 AM
They are and the U23 coaching staff rate him highly, but he has dropped off Smith's radar. This short term loan move should get him regular first team football with a springboard to a higher level in the future, show Smith what he is missing out on and means he stays fairly local at the request of his family.

It's a very low level though. Not being on the radar of a localish L1/L2 club would have to be a concern surely? Especially with Smith's connections at Walsall.
Solihull Moors, in their defence, are one of the better clubs in the division immediately below L2. At 17-18 I think it's not a terrible level to be playing at (Tyrone Mings & Jamie Vardy would've both been playing at a lower level around the same age .. and Ian Taylor would've been playing at the same club at that age).

Cue loads of ex-Moor Green fans saying it's not the same club at all.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: Villa Lew on October 03, 2020, 02:41:22 PM
On the bench for today's match.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: Legion on October 03, 2020, 02:42:38 PM
Fingers crossed he gets a game.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on October 03, 2020, 04:26:38 PM
Surprised to see Jamie Ward is at Solihull. Guess he is knocking on a bit not.

So at least 2 Villa fans in their squad.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: Legion on October 03, 2020, 04:33:12 PM
Now on as sub.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: PeterWithe on October 03, 2020, 04:40:47 PM
My nephew plays for Moors Youth and Ive been to watch him a few times, if there is a Nose bias they seem to keep it to themselves.

Surprised that we didnt have any takers at a higher level but the lads only 18.

A good move for him, a very highly regarded coach but a bit of a wake up call as to where he sits in the grand scheme of things, like a lot of young players he'll have to pay his dues.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on October 03, 2020, 04:55:46 PM
Archer played for about the last 35 minutes, after Ward went off injured.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: Exeter 77 on October 06, 2020, 08:42:43 PM
Cameron has started for Moors tonight against Wrexham. 0-0 at half time.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: Legion on October 06, 2020, 08:45:05 PM
He is wearing pink boots. I'll have a word.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: Legion on October 06, 2020, 08:48:54 PM
(https://scontent-lhr8-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p526x296/120955000_10159064520382658_4961497518017336794_n.jpg?_nc_cat=101&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=yk6uAtZj9vYAX8dqPOf&_nc_ht=scontent-lhr8-1.xx&tp=6&oh=8098025c7374318c69bb38c51b6932f7&oe=5FA27300)
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: paul_e on October 07, 2020, 12:13:19 AM
(https://scontent-lhr8-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p526x296/120955000_10159064520382658_4961497518017336794_n.jpg?_nc_cat=101&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=yk6uAtZj9vYAX8dqPOf&_nc_ht=scontent-lhr8-1.xx&tp=6&oh=8098025c7374318c69bb38c51b6932f7&oe=5FA27300)

That photo could be pretty telling of why he's not got more chances with us yet, he looks very small, they're probably worried about him getting bullied on the pitch. This loan could turn out to be really important for him to work out how to handle getting a bit of a kicking.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: robbo1874 on October 07, 2020, 03:08:35 AM
(https://scontent-lhr8-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p526x296/120955000_10159064520382658_4961497518017336794_n.jpg?_nc_cat=101&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=yk6uAtZj9vYAX8dqPOf&_nc_ht=scontent-lhr8-1.xx&tp=6&oh=8098025c7374318c69bb38c51b6932f7&oe=5FA27300)

That photo could be pretty telling of why he's not got more chances with us yet, he looks very small, they're probably worried about him getting bullied on the pitch. This loan could turn out to be really important for him to work out how to handle getting a bit of a kicking.
just thought exactly the same thing Paule.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: dcdavecollett on October 08, 2020, 01:24:50 AM
Didn't score, did he? Is he the new Keinan Davis, Leeg...?
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 08, 2020, 08:39:34 AM
(https://scontent-lhr8-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p526x296/120955000_10159064520382658_4961497518017336794_n.jpg?_nc_cat=101&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=yk6uAtZj9vYAX8dqPOf&_nc_ht=scontent-lhr8-1.xx&tp=6&oh=8098025c7374318c69bb38c51b6932f7&oe=5FA27300)

That photo could be pretty telling of why he's not got more chances with us yet, he looks very small, they're probably worried about him getting bullied on the pitch. This loan could turn out to be really important for him to work out how to handle getting a bit of a kicking.
just thought exactly the same thing Paule.

Yep, looking at that photo, I tend to agree.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on October 08, 2020, 08:41:39 AM
Fourthed.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: mike on October 08, 2020, 10:06:48 AM
Raheem Sterling is 5’ 7”. How tall is Archer?
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: paul_e on October 08, 2020, 10:18:12 AM
Raheem Sterling is 5’ 7”. How tall is Archer?

Just to be clear I didn't say he won't/can't make it, I said he needs to learn how to deal with being bullied because of his size. I might also be completely wrong but he looks 4-5 inches shorter than the rest of the team (other than the lad at the other end) on that picture.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: Brazilian Villain on October 08, 2020, 10:45:34 AM
Raheem Sterling is 5’ 7”. How tall is Archer?

I checked his Wikipedia but no details of his height on it (something he has in common with B*no). Very poor effort! ;)
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: Sexual Ealing on October 08, 2020, 10:58:33 AM
That prick wishes he was 5' 7".
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on October 08, 2020, 11:47:19 AM
I think the fact that he's gone to Solihull Moors rather than a L1 or L2 club, doesn't bode well for his chances at Villa unfortunately.

He's still young though, and players develop at different rates.

Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: mike on October 08, 2020, 11:51:21 AM
Raheem Sterling is 5’ 7”. How tall is Archer?

Just to be clear I didn't say he won't/can't make it, I said he needs to learn how to deal with being bullied because of his size. I might also be completely wrong but he looks 4-5 inches shorter than the rest of the team (other than the lad at the other end) on that picture.

I agree. I just wonder whether he’s Raheem Sterling short or Alan Wright short.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: paul_e on October 08, 2020, 01:25:10 PM
I think the fact that he's gone to Solihull Moors rather than a L1 or L2 club, doesn't bode well for his chances at Villa unfortunately.

He's still young though, and players develop at different rates.

For a first taste of senior football i don't think it makes that much difference. If he goes well we can send him out to L1 or championship level next.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: Villa Lew on October 10, 2020, 02:07:26 PM
He's starting today against Kings Lynn, good luck Cameron
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: Brazilian Villain on October 10, 2020, 02:21:20 PM
That prick wishes he was 5' 7".

I've bumped into B*no twice at Dublin Airport, once at check-in and once in the lounge and even in his Cuban heeled boots he was still a shortarse.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: Lsvilla on October 10, 2020, 04:11:36 PM
Scored.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on October 10, 2020, 04:31:52 PM
Sounds like it was a header from a corner
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: Lsvilla on October 10, 2020, 04:32:52 PM
And a second.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on October 10, 2020, 04:36:13 PM
Keeper saved a shot and he scored the rebound.

They've taken him off for a deserved rest.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: Villa Lew on October 10, 2020, 04:43:04 PM
Well done Cameron
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: Legion on October 10, 2020, 07:14:49 PM
Two for Cam and an assist.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: Legion on October 10, 2020, 07:15:35 PM
(https://scontent.flhr4-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/121278015_10159076078812658_3479094139006934234_o.jpg?_nc_cat=110&_nc_sid=dbeb18&_nc_ohc=OdqqSOWWlsoAX_OCzl3&_nc_ht=scontent.flhr4-2.fna&oh=6e037d40e58945661d95a734401a3c65&oe=5FA601CB)
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: Legion on October 10, 2020, 07:16:38 PM
Goal: https://twitter.com/festa34/status/1314948493266636800?s=08
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: Legion on October 11, 2020, 10:11:44 AM
(https://scontent.flhr4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/121237777_10159078282332658_8646953354660161408_o.jpg?_nc_cat=106&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=xjiKtfQ8o8cAX_QZm08&_nc_ht=scontent.flhr4-1.fna&oh=efecd50127003eca1377b4d36f2c0a4f&oe=5FA81E8F)
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: Legion on October 11, 2020, 10:21:11 AM
(https://scontent.flhr4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/121372314_10159076767012658_4820367426980679285_o.jpg?_nc_cat=104&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=ll8j2df1STwAX_TDgls&_nc_ht=scontent.flhr4-1.fna&oh=14adce1f006a3cbea850b8a6cf28b605&oe=5FA90587)
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: robleflaneur on October 11, 2020, 12:21:11 PM
Well done.Though small,he looks quite muscular,so presumably he won't be easily knocked off the ball or bullied.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: Legion on October 11, 2020, 12:38:37 PM
He used to run rings round me at the age of 10. Getting the ball off him even at an early age was nigh on impossible.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: paul_e on October 11, 2020, 02:23:52 PM
Well done.Though small,he looks quite muscular,so presumably he won't be easily knocked off the ball or bullied.

Hopefully not, but I suspect that's why he's on this loan, to get him used to what less capable but bigger players will do to try to intimidate him.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: LeeB on October 11, 2020, 05:01:03 PM
Good lad, that's a great start.

For those questioning if he'll ever make it based on where he's gone on loan, remember our star £30m striker went to Weston early his early days.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: cdbullyweefan on October 11, 2020, 09:17:33 PM
True. And how old was Vardy when he was playing for Stockbridge Steels?
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: Legion on October 12, 2020, 08:06:28 AM
https://www.newschain.uk/sport/mens-sport/football/cameron-archer-nets-double-solihull-thrash-kings-lynn-39024

There's also a review on the Meaning Evil site but I'm not linking to that rag.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: Drummond on October 12, 2020, 08:59:44 AM
Game time and confidence building is key for him at his age. Plus being local to family too must help.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: Legion on October 12, 2020, 09:04:38 AM
Spot on.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: Legion on October 13, 2020, 01:58:48 PM
Match highlights now on our FB Page.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: chrisw1 on October 13, 2020, 02:56:17 PM
He looked sharp.  Presume it was just a knock at the end?
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: Villa Lew on October 13, 2020, 03:56:55 PM
Tonight's Moors match against Altrincham called off, as there are cases of covid 19 in the Altrincham squad.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: Sexual Ealing on October 17, 2020, 02:47:54 PM
The Moors game is being streamed live on YouTube this afternoon if anyone's bored.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: Legion on October 17, 2020, 07:31:00 PM
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/hes-like-shane-long-aston-19120216
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: TheMalandro on October 17, 2020, 09:12:22 PM
Did he come on? I watched up until the 70th minute but had to go out.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: Legion on October 17, 2020, 09:39:07 PM
Yes. About the 85th minute.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: OCD on October 18, 2020, 01:21:34 PM
https://www.xxxx.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/hes-like-shane-long-aston-19120216

Is it necessary to have a filter on that changes the Birmingham Mail part of the web address to xxxx? It's a pain in the ass to find the site, copy and paste the end of the link.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: Legion on October 24, 2020, 02:41:26 PM
On the bench in the FA Cup at home to Wrexham: https://twitter.com/SolihullMoors/status/1319990778047942658?s=19
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: SoccerHQ on October 24, 2020, 02:43:07 PM
Jamie Ward playing for Solihull now, interesting. Was in our youth team 15 years back and had good career in championship and for Northern Ireland.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: Legion on October 24, 2020, 04:30:49 PM
https://twitter.com/SolihullMoors/status/1320022302625533952?s=08
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: Legion on October 24, 2020, 04:34:05 PM
62' | GOALLLLLLLLLL ARCHER!!!!

The substitute has only been on the pitch a matter of seconds, but he latches on to a through ball and clips his finish over Lainton to make it three!

3-0
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: Mister E on October 24, 2020, 05:00:20 PM
62' | GOALLLLLLLLLL ARCHER!!!!
The substitute has only been on the pitch a matter of seconds, but he latches on to a through ball and clips his finish over Lainton to make it three!
3-0
Nice work, Leeg!
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: Legion on October 24, 2020, 05:12:53 PM
(https://scontent-lhr8-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/122484300_10159112097152658_3168424934160448875_o.jpg?_nc_cat=104&ccb=2&_nc_sid=110474&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_ohc=goKfqU0MUB8AX_uc1CS&_nc_ht=scontent-lhr8-1.xx&tp=14&oh=3ab4b7692f457064781495fb7e23c44d&oe=5FB9C909)
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: Legion on October 25, 2020, 08:29:01 PM
93 seconds...

https://twitter.com/SolihullMoors/status/1320436832711200769?s=08
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: Legion on October 25, 2020, 08:32:45 PM
(https://scontent-lhr8-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/122591385_10159115619972658_7946871872645759121_o.jpg?_nc_cat=109&ccb=2&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=ejDANtCh2CkAX9xPj6q&_nc_ht=scontent-lhr8-1.xx&oh=3bfc68c5b4bc5f5fac5d1df2b472f6a4&oe=5FBD10A1)
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: Legion on October 25, 2020, 08:33:48 PM
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: paul_e on October 25, 2020, 08:59:14 PM
Very good finish by Cam
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: Risso on October 25, 2020, 09:26:05 PM
https://www.xxxx.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/hes-like-shane-long-aston-19120216

Is it necessary to have a filter on that changes the Birmingham Mail part of the web address to xxxx? It's a pain in the ass to find the site, copy and paste the end of the link.

Very much agree.  Is there any real need for it, as adults surely we can decide whether we click on a particular link or not?
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: paul_e on October 25, 2020, 10:25:12 PM
https://www.xxxx.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/hes-like-shane-long-aston-19120216

Is it necessary to have a filter on that changes the Birmingham Mail part of the web address to xxxx? It's a pain in the ass to find the site, copy and paste the end of the link.

Very much agree.  Is there any real need for it, as adults surely we can decide whether we click on a particular link or not?

Isn't the main purpose to avoid referrals from the site? Could maybe look at a filter which forces it to plain text so people have to copy paste instead in that case.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: chrisw1 on October 26, 2020, 10:08:12 AM
That was never a pen.  Nice finish by Archer.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: OCD on October 26, 2020, 11:21:31 AM
https://www.xxxx.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/hes-like-shane-long-aston-19120216

Is it necessary to have a filter on that changes the Birmingham Mail part of the web address to xxxx? It's a pain in the ass to find the site, copy and paste the end of the link.

Very much agree.  Is there any real need for it, as adults surely we can decide whether we click on a particular link or not?

Isn't the main purpose to avoid referrals from the site? Could maybe look at a filter which forces it to plain text so people have to copy paste instead in that case.

Copy and pasting a plain text link would be fine.

I hope Cam has a growth spurt. It would really help as he matures if he was taller and fills out a bit.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: Legion on November 12, 2020, 05:44:33 PM
https://twitter.com/SolihullMoors/status/1326933400935161857?s=08

FA Cup 2nd round live on the BBC. Fingers crossed he gets a game.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: in exile on November 13, 2020, 01:39:26 PM
Is Cam injured at the moment?
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: Legion on November 13, 2020, 01:41:35 PM
No. Just come out of self-isolation. Back training today.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: in exile on November 13, 2020, 01:51:41 PM
No. Just come out of self-isolation. Back training today.
Ah, thank you.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: Legion on November 13, 2020, 06:47:03 PM
https://twitter.com/SolihullMoors/status/1327284573974245377?s=08

Next three fixtures called off.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: Legion on November 24, 2020, 04:15:30 PM
Back training with Solihull Moors tomorrow.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: Legion on November 28, 2020, 11:40:16 AM
On the bench today for the FA Cup fixture. Live on the BBC. 12.30 KO.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on November 28, 2020, 01:56:05 PM
He’s on now losing 2-1 to Morecambe.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: Lsvilla on November 28, 2020, 02:03:16 PM
Great run and awareness there
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: Legion on November 28, 2020, 02:03:59 PM
Fantastic run and pass for their goal.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: dcdavecollett on November 28, 2020, 09:49:02 PM
Yes, really clever and unselfish play.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: Legion on November 28, 2020, 09:54:17 PM
His spectacular run and shot was also so close to equalising. Videos of both are on our FB Page. Thought he did well overall considering the lack of decent service he received.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 28, 2020, 10:29:58 PM
It was a very enjoyable game.

Cam reminds me a bit of Robinson when he was coming through. Interesting if we leave him on loan for the season at the Moors as think he's good enough to be playing league football already.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: Legion on November 28, 2020, 10:32:45 PM
He is on loan until January 2021.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: dcdavecollett on November 30, 2020, 01:16:30 AM
Do you think he'll stay there, Leeg, or will they bump him up to League level?
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: paul_e on November 30, 2020, 11:39:51 AM
I'd hope we call him back and either get him to L1/championship or we keep him with the U23 and send Barry out for that sort of level. Personally I'd go with the latter so we can see how big an impact the experience has had on Cam and setup a new plan of stuff for him to work on as a result.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: Clampy on November 30, 2020, 01:32:29 PM
It's good to see a young un coming through and doing well but other than being an ex-pupil of Legion, is there any other reason why he is being singled out? Is he that good?
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: Legion on November 30, 2020, 01:38:39 PM
Yes.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: paul_e on November 30, 2020, 02:17:25 PM
I've not seen anything like as much of him as Legion but for me he has good technique, a good footballing brain and decent pace, my temporary concern is that he 'looks' very much a teenager still in terms of his build so a loan like this one to a level where defenders will be comparatively poor but very aggressive will do him a lot of good. He's one of about 5-6 that I like the look of.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: Legion on November 30, 2020, 06:31:47 PM
Do you think he'll stay there, Leeg, or will they bump him up to League level?

Hopefully a loan move to a fairly local L1 or 2 side if he still does not feature in Smith's current plans.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: dcdavecollett on December 01, 2020, 12:48:29 AM
Walsall, maybe?
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: Legion on December 05, 2020, 02:51:18 PM
Unlikely.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: Legion on December 05, 2020, 02:51:42 PM
Starts today for Solihull Moors.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: dcdavecollett on December 06, 2020, 12:01:27 AM
Why do you think it's unlikely he'd go to Walsall, Leeg?
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: Legion on December 09, 2020, 10:36:17 AM
18 years young today.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: OCD on December 09, 2020, 11:04:29 AM
That's great to be getting regular first team football at 17/18.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: Legion on December 09, 2020, 12:35:57 PM
He's 19.... D'OH!
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: Legion on December 10, 2020, 08:45:58 PM
https://www.facebook.com/271147609556/posts/10158688248349557/?sfnsn=scwspmo
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: in exile on December 11, 2020, 10:43:43 AM
Solihull Moors game is live on BT Sport on Saturday afternoon.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: Legion on December 19, 2020, 05:00:38 PM
Another goal today.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: Legion on December 19, 2020, 07:21:46 PM
Came off the bench to contribute two goals and an assist.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: OCD on December 19, 2020, 08:49:43 PM
Good lad.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: Legion on January 04, 2021, 08:39:17 PM
Highlights so far...

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=411752413574256
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: dcdavecollett on January 05, 2021, 12:59:24 AM
...and he's staying there for the rest of the season.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (out on loan until January 2021)
Post by: Legion on January 05, 2021, 11:42:24 AM
https://twitter.com/SolihullMoors/status/1346158649400565762?s=08
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (on loan with Solihull Moors for the rest of the season)
Post by: Risso on January 05, 2021, 12:05:04 PM
Good luck to him, and it's a very good decision. Young players only develop by playing regularly. Play where he is this season, maybe see how he does in the Championship next year, then integrate him into the full squad after that.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (on loan with Solihull Moors for the rest of the season)
Post by: Legion on January 05, 2021, 04:50:27 PM
https://www.solihullmoorsfc.co.uk/news/posts/moors-extend-cameron-archers-loan-spell/

Until 29th May with no recall option.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (on loan with Solihull Moors for the rest of the season)
Post by: Risso on January 05, 2021, 05:44:18 PM
That's standard isn't it?
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (on loan with Solihull Moors for the rest of the season)
Post by: Legion on January 05, 2021, 05:46:04 PM
I don't know, to be honest. He is unlikely to be playing this evening as he has been at BMH receiving treatment for an abdominal strain.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (on loan with Solihull Moors for the rest of the season)
Post by: Legion on January 07, 2021, 03:13:51 PM
Club statement:

https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2021/january/Archer-extends-Moors-loan/
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (on loan with Solihull Moors for the rest of the season)
Post by: Legion on February 20, 2021, 09:59:30 PM
Update: Cam has now recovered from his abdominal strain and has been training with the Villa this week. He returns to Solihull Moors on Monday.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (on loan with Solihull Moors for the rest of the season)
Post by: OCD on February 21, 2021, 11:10:12 AM
Hopefully he has a strong finish to the season.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (on loan with Solihull Moors for the rest of the season)
Post by: Legion on March 02, 2021, 08:10:34 PM
On the bench this evening for Solihull Moors after a longer than expected lay-off with the injury.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (on loan with Solihull Moors for the rest of the season)
Post by: Legion on March 04, 2021, 11:45:25 AM
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (on loan with Solihull Moors for the rest of the season)
Post by: Legion on March 04, 2021, 11:45:59 AM
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (on loan with Solihull Moors for the rest of the season)
Post by: OCD on March 04, 2021, 12:33:52 PM
Villa clearly want young players to get experience of adult football as early as they can. We've seen England win the various age group competitions and have a lot of talent that looks brilliant in those age groups but then just disappear in the latter stages of development. It's an interesting tactic to teach our kids the technical skills from 6/7 to 16/17, to start integrating them into the U18 team and then when they're 18/19 trying to get them to adjust to senior football while they're still relatively young, even if that means in the lower leagues. There are a few examples of players playing in the lower leagues but going on to become Premier League players (Vardy, even our own Watkins). Just a few months at Tranmere seemed to help Jacob Ramsey. It could be very beneficial long-term, maybe even being the difference between making it as a footballer or not.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (on loan with Solihull Moors for the rest of the season)
Post by: Mister E on March 04, 2021, 01:26:24 PM
Villa clearly want young players to get experience of adult football as early as they can. We've seen England win the various age group competitions and have a lot of talent that looks brilliant in those age groups but then just disappear in the latter stages of development. It's an interesting tactic to teach our kids the technical skills from 6/7 to 16/17, to start integrating them into the U18 team and then when they're 18/19 trying to get them to adjust to senior football while they're still relatively young, even if that means in the lower leagues. There are a few examples of players playing in the lower leagues but going on to become Premier League players (Vardy, even our own Watkins). Just a few months at Tranmere seemed to help Jacob Ramsey. It could be very beneficial long-term, maybe even being the difference between making it as a footballer or not.
Ramsey was at Donnie last season on loan.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (on loan with Solihull Moors for the rest of the season)
Post by: OCD on March 04, 2021, 04:35:04 PM
My mistake but the point remains (seem to remember someone going out to Tranmere).
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (on loan with Solihull Moors for the rest of the season)
Post by: eamonn on March 04, 2021, 04:48:55 PM
The Russian was there for a while before he became a Cypriot.
Title: Re: Cameron Archer (on loan with Solihull Moors for the rest of the season)
Post by: Legion on March 06, 2021, 10:37:13 PM
Came off the bench again today with the assist for the equaliser.
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