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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Bad English on August 19, 2019, 09:43:33 AM
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Villa Park, Friday 23rd August 2019, 8pm
I'm flying in for this one with the Perpignan Villans and the South Burgundy Villans.
So that will be my mate and me, as far as I know.
I expect to see a 3-1 win with our goals coming from Wesley, McGinn and Mings.
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My Everton mate's coming over from the IOM for it as well, and I too hope to see a 3-1 win, with goals from Wesley, Wesley and Wesley.
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I haven't got any mates
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I haven't got any mates
neither have those two-they're 'imaginary' friends...
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unlike in exile I have a small smattering of mates.
no chance of making this due to work commitments and having to collect wife from a drunken night out with her work colleagues
any type of win Villa please
UTV
The Doc
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Hopefully a Villa win, but I have a horrible feeling we go down 0-1, and off to Crystal Palace looking for win
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Surely the intended 'continuity' effect of playing Taylor and Elmo as full backs has lapsed now? Expect to see Fred and Targett pushing forward on either side. It means Mingles and Doug will need to cover all breaks in the centre; I hope they can.
Last chance for the Trez/Wes/AEG front 3 to prove they should remain first choice. Not the last chance for Jack and SJM in midfield but it needs to start working now.
Any sort of Villa win against a good side would be welcome.
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Surely the intended 'continuity' effect of playing Taylor and Elmo as full backs has lapsed now? Expect to see Fred and Targett pushing forward on either side. It means Mingles and Doug will need to cover all breaks in the centre; I hope they can.
Last chance for the Trez/Wes/AEG front 3 to prove they should remain first choice.
Trouble is, I can't really see who you replace them with. Jota hasn't impressed me one little bit in his sub appearances, and Davis isn't ready to be our number one striker. Those three basically pick themselves.
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Villa Park, Friday 23rd August 2019, 8pm
I'm flying in for this one with the Perpignan Villans and the South Burgundy Villans.
So that will be my mate and me, as far as I know.
I expect to see a 3-1 win with our goals coming from Wesley, McGinn and Mings.
I am also expecting a 3-1 win however I am not expecting my mates to be with me as they are all t***s and don’t support the Villa.
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1-3
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I don't expect to spend £20m on fullbacks and keep seeing Elmo and Taylor in the team. If they aren't better than those two then we are in trouble.
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Goals from Wesley, Grealish, Luiz, McGinn and Heaton whould make up for the shite they've served up thus far and stop them being dropped.
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1 1 and lots of excitable Scousers over the hoardings when they score - see also Man Utd etc later in the season
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Id like to see conor in the team some how for his set pieces and the chance of a goal from him , obviously playing Luis still.
And can we get our new full backs in , one thing I was impressed with Guilbert he gets right up to the by line and his crossing/passing is great , seem to link well with Hotta too.
Id drop EGZ
1-0 off wes's arse
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2-0 (Daley, Platt) - like last time we came back up.
If we can be tight at the back then 0-0 might be a good shout with their defence. If we get a break and win 1-0 that would be amazing.
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Feeling like we need 3pts from this one. Steady the nerves a bit.
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1-1 Draw for me.
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I’m flying in from Oz ,fingers crossed for first win, maybe 1 1 we have to get Wesley on the score sheet.
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Everton are solid as a rock. We won't score on Friday, so its a matter of keeping it tight at the back. 0-0 at best, but I'd wager 0-1 to them.
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Heaton
Targett
Mings
Engels
Elmo
Douglas
McGinn
Grealish
El Ghazi
Wesley
Trezuguet
That will be the team I think.
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Feeling like we need 3pts from this one. Steady the nerves a bit.
Big time, that was a very average Bournemouth side we lost to at the weekend. Spurs were understrength too. A win would change everything but our manager needs to be a lot braver in his team selections. We won't go anywhere aside from back to the second division if he keeps persisting with those full backs. Our front three haven't worked at all first two games so a significant tactical reshuffle is required.
------------------Heaton
Guilbert, Engels, Mings, Targett
-------------Luiz, Hourihane
---- Jota, Grealish, McGinn
----------------Wes
Not that Jota has done anything to deserve a start but it's unlikely Marvelous will come straight into the starting team having not even made the bench yet. Trez might be a better option off bench and AEG needs dropping. I'm a little worried about the quality on our bench already to be honest.
Hourihane coming in adds goal threat at a minimum and improved set pieces.
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I think Trezeguet, finishing apart, has been our most impressive attacking player so far. I certainly wouldn't be dropping him.
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Sadly, I can't see us scoring, but we'll be hard to beat.
0-0
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I'll take 0-0 but sadly it's another lesson to be learned for us - 0-1 my prediction. We've got to stop fannying around in our own half and get some support to Wes. I'd play Guilbert and Targett.
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The adjustment period continues
0-2
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1-1
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Everton are a good side and it'll be difficult again. A hard-fought draw.
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Got the afternoon off, so train up from London and a few beers to set things up nicely. I'm just hoping the rocking atmosphere lasts longer than 45 seconds this time around.
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I do think we will win this one. 2-1 Villa.
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Villa Park, Friday 23rd August 2019, 8pm
I'm flying in for this one with the Perpignan Villans and the South Burgundy Villans.
So that will be my mate and me, as far as I know.
Bad English, my brother lives near Limoges, which ,if my Geography serves, is not too far from Perpignan. H's abig Villa fan, is it worth him contacting 'Perpignan or S.Burgundy Villains /. If so, do you have any contact details?. Thank you,VTID.....Godzvilla!
I expect to see a 3-1 win with our goals coming from Wesley, McGinn and Mings.
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I think Trezeguet, finishing apart, has been our most impressive attacking player so far. I certainly wouldn't be dropping him.
Agreed.
Not really fancying this game. Just feel like we are destined to have an horrific start. A draw wouldn't be a disaster.
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We will win this.
2-1 us.
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I would feel happier seeing a central three of Conor, Luiz and SJM with Grealish left for this one. I'd love to play with Jack Central instead of Conor eventually, but until the team have gelled I think that makes us a bit loose.
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Can't see anything but a loss here, sorry. I wanted to think we'd pick up points from this one, but my expectations have really taken a massive dent after the weekend.
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Also flying in for this one - got a strange feeling we will win under the lights. If not it will be a long and painful journey home!!
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Thanks to the generosity of UKR I'm able to attend this match.
Going back to my tried and trusted D 1-1 from the latter end of last season.
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Everton haven't conceded yet have they? Can't see us winning. 2-2 draw.
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Thanks to the generosity of UKR I'm able to attend this match.
If Villa had won the first two games, no way would i have risked allowing Leeg into the stadium.
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Surely the intended 'continuity' effect of playing Taylor and Elmo as full backs has lapsed now? Expect to see Fred and Targett pushing forward on either side. It means Mingles and Doug will need to cover all breaks in the centre; I hope they can.
Last chance for the Trez/Wes/AEG front 3 to prove they should remain first choice.
Trouble is, I can't really see who you replace them with. Jota hasn't impressed me one little bit in his sub appearances, and Davis isn't ready to be our number one striker. Those three basically pick themselves.
"Last chance"? - a little melodramatic, perhaps.
Risso, I'd say the answer lies not in replacing people per se but more about how we set up.
I think Brontebilly has got it right with:
-----------------Heaton
Guilbert, Engels, Mings, Targett
-------------Luiz, Hourihane
---- Trez, Grealish, McGinn
----------------Wes
... although I've taken Jota out and put in Trezeguet. I just think this looks more secure.
When he's ready, I'd see Hourihane being replaced for some games by Marvelous, because one thing I've taken from the first two games is that we need more physically-imposing players.
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I'd go
Heaton
Elmo Engles Mings Targett
Luiz
McGinn Hourahane
Trezeguet Grealish
Wesley
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We really could do with a positive result here.
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Everton haven't conceded yet have they? Can't see us winning. 2-2 draw.
Going back to start of March think they've kept 8 clean sheets from last 12 games.
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Just seen on the sky promo image it’s a return for Delph. Good reception for him???
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Just seen on the sky promo image it’s a return for Delph. Good reception for him???
Just ignore the fucker.
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Just seen on the sky promo image it’s a return for Delph. Good reception for him???
Just ignore the fucker.
Will he even be on the pitch
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I posted this on the Bournemouth post-match thread but its similar to others except for keeping Taylor in...
Heaton
Guilbert Engels Mings Taylor
Luiz Conor
Trez SJM Jack
Wes
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Didn't have a clue he'd signed for Everton.
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I'd go
Heaton
Elmo Engles Mings Targett
Luiz
McGinn Hourahane
Trezeguet Grealish
Wesley
Yes this is also my preference.
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Another loss 0-2
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DS does not have much history of changing the formation.
I would like to see Jack pushed further forward.
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I don’t think Everton are as good as some on here and the pundits would like us to believe despite spending over £400m over the last few seasons. They look bang average to me having drawn against a poor Palace side and scraped a win against piss poor Watford. If we cut out the mistakes and take the game to them under the floodlights at Villa Park then we’ll come away with our first 3pts of the season.
3-1 Villa
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My Everton mate's coming over from the IOM for it as well, and I too hope to see a 3-1 win, with goals from Wesley, Wesley and Wesley.
What a coincidence! We've both chosen the same score.
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Weren’t we playing more of a 4141 formation in preseason? Especially against Bournemouth it seemed that Jack and SJM were too far away from Luiz...or was he sat too deep? Also Trez, AEG and Wes were too flat with little movement. Hopefully they will be working on the front 5 a lot more this week in training...there’s goals in this team but they aren’t all on the same wavelength at the moment. I’d be tempted to switch to 4231 with Conor playing alongside Luiz (we need Conor at set pieces), SJM linking with the two DMs, and Trez and Jack supporting Wes. I don’t think he’ll replace both FBs, but it’s time to bring in one of Targett or Guilbert.
Heaton.
Guilbert. Engels. Mings. Taylor.
Conor. Luiz.
Trez. SJM. Jack.
Wes.
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Weren’t we playing more of a 4141 formation in preseason? Especially against Bournemouth it seemed that Jack and SJM were too far away from Luiz...or was he sat too deep? Also Trez, AEG and Wes were too flat with little movement. Hopefully they will be working on the front 5 a lot more this week in training...there’s goals in this team but they aren’t all on the same wavelength at the moment. I’d be tempted to switch to 4231 with Conor playing alongside Luiz (we need Conor at set pieces), SJM linking with the two DMs, and Trez and Jack supporting Wes. I don’t think he’ll replace both FBs, but it’s time to bring in one of Targett or Guilbert.
Heaton.
Guilbert. Engels. Mings. Taylor.
Conor. Luiz.
Trez. SJM. Jack.
Wes.
I'd be surprised if Guilbert started after not even making a squad yet. I do like that midfield and forward set up though.
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Yeah it’s an odd one...I’m starting to think something may have happened behind the scenes. I hope I’m wrong as he looked excellent in preseason, linked well with Jota, got up and down the pitch, and whipped in the kind of crosses that Wes should thrive off. I think Dean is introducing the new players slowly but surely and keeping it tight at the back rather than throwing them all in, so may be we won’t see them in action until the Crewe game.
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Is there more to Guilbert not playing I find it puzzling that he was one of the better performers in pre season and yet did not make the squad.
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Just read an article with Dean stating that Marvelous isn’t match fit yet but still no word on Fred:
https://amp.hitc.com/en-gb/2019/08/19/dean-smith-comments-on-aston-villas-marvelous-nakamba/
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1-1
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In the first game I’m sure Dean commented that it was just case of numbers and mix of players on the bench as to why he missed out. So I imagine Saturday was no different. I fully expect a Freddie debut this Friday because we need to change something up and he showed in pre season just how effective he can be down the right.
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This will be tough, hoping for a win but expect a 1-1 draw.
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I think the two central deeper midfield players is a good shout, so Luiz and Hourihane to play in there. Get Jack further up the pitch and let SJM to push up as much as possible too.
Wes will need some help against Mina and Keane so we need to get close to him and not leave him isolated up front.
Difficult game but a draw would be good. 1 - 1 with Wes for us and the snake for them
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I think we’ll go with the same formation. This is the style Dean has built the squad around.
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As others have mentioned, I think that one of the wingers should be sacrificed to allow for an extra central midfield player
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Surprised people don't think we will score. 2 in 2 so far and a handful of fantastic chances not taken. We need a couple more to drop in is all.
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If we're sticking with the same formation, as i would imagine we will, for this game i would bring in Guilbert for Elmo and Hourahane for El Ghazi, play Grealish left, Douglas in Grealish's position and Hourahane in Douglas's position (based on the last game). It's ridiculous really to panic yet but i've been pondering in my mind different formations that would give us an attacking 4 of Wes, Trez, Grealish and Douglas with lots of defensive players behind them. 5-3-2, 4-4-2 etc. Can't honestly see us changing the system though, just a case of getting to a stage where we need to know the best players to fit into it but we need to do it pretty quickly.
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Regards Chances and Goals what it tells us need to improve the overall quality of chances created and the finishing of Chances.
By cutting out errors in possession, improving on the ball and being more clinical in final third there is a real potential there and good reason to be optimistic.
In summary then, we just have to play better then we have a chance of getting a better result.
I believe.
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Battling 2-2 draw.
Last time we played at their place was when I realised we were down. We'd looked promising under Garde initially, but Everton beat us 4-0 without moving out of second gear.
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I'd go in a 4-4-1-1 formation
Heaton
Guilbert Mings Engles Targett
Trezeguet Mcginn Luiz El Ghazi
Grealish
Wesley
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Apologies of this has been mentioned, but is this the first time Neil Taylor has faced Seamus Coleman since that bad tackle a few years ago for Wales v Ireland?
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2-0
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Can't see us scoring more than 1 tbh. Everton good at the back and we're not there yet up top. 0-0, 0-1, 1-1 something like that.
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Once again I would take a draw. As with last weeks game we are novices in this league still trying to gel as a team. Everton are big spenders ( £400m over the last three years I believe) targeting a 6th place finish this season. A draw would be a great result.
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Any Villa win will do!
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Think I'd take a point right now with a good performance. Really hope both new full backs start, Elmo and Taylor are Championship standard. Bring in an extra midfielder for El Ghazi.
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Apologies of this has been mentioned, but is this the first time Neil Taylor has faced Seamus Coleman since that bad tackle a few years ago for Wales v Ireland?
Good point. I wonder if this will result in Taylor not playing?
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When I saw in the Bournemouth pre match thread, that 78% were going for a Villa win, had a feeling things might, as they often do, go pear shaped. So don't mind the fact only 30% are going for a Villa win.
The goods news is we have scored more goals than Everton, bad news we've conceded 5 to their 1. Would take a draw now, to get us off the mark and then get our first win at Palace. Always the optimist!
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Hard one to call. Difficult to learn much from last 2 games because spurs are another level and we threw the game away against Bournemouth.
I reckon Everton are a bit better than Bournemouth, roughly same tier of team. Definitely beatable but a draw and points on the board would be a good result.
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How were Everton in their first two games? I'm still failing to see a whole MOTD through after a 3 year sabbatical since our relegation. I noticed on Saturday that Gary Lineker still does that slapping his hands on his knees thing as a coping mechanism when he's afraid to stand over an opinion when addressing his bald audience of Shearer/Murphy/Wright. I just haven't missed the schtick.
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A tough game and I'd also take a point, however I think we will struggle. Ah feck it 3-1 to Villa.
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I’d be happy enough with a point I think depending on how the game goes
but I wouldn’t take a point right now I want us to go for a win I believe we can get one
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I'd take a point now. I fear if we give up a goal cheaply we'll find it very hard to break them down.
The effect of losing could check any sense of momentum, whereas a point would give us a platform ahead of Crewe and Palace, who will hopefully be off the back of a humbling at Old Trafford.
Echoes of 15/16 still loom large.
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Interestingly the H&V poll is a fairly even three way split. My prediction is a 1-1 draw.
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I'm going to predict a 2-1 win, coming from behind. McGinn and Wesley on the scoresheet.
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Dipped their forum earlier and they seem to have made up their mind that we are "shite" Just how they've come to that conclusion on such little evidence says more about them than us.Very uncomplimentary about our club and fans dress sense! So with that in mind i'm thinking fuck em. Villa to win 1-0.
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Everton seem to be one of those clubs that we hardly ever think about but seem to have a big chip on their shoulder about us. Fuck the fuckers.
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Everton have always had a chip on their shoulder about us...and I still have no idea why as they don’t even come close to being in a top 10 list of clubs you hate.
I think their fans are starting to believe the media hype that they should be competing with the top 6 having spent over £400m over the last few seasons, but the truth is that they are still a bit shit...average team with average players that will finish in an average mid table position well short of the top 6 teams.
They have been far from convincing in their first 2 games of the season having scraped a draw and a win against Palace and Watford respectively. They will have a much tougher game against us on Friday night and I expect us to take at least a draw from the game.
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We get this every time we play them, and the main reason is that we're one of the few clubs 'oo 'now their 'istory, and 'now it's better than theirs.
They only exist because McGregor wanted Everton in the league when everyone else wanted Bootle.
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Their support has been terrible for years.
Bring numbers but all sit down for 90 minutes and scream for a penalty every time someone so much as farts.
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Goodison is showing its age too.
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Goodison is showing its age too.
Well, that isn't going to matter too much in the near future.
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Their repertoire of songs was always pathetically small too, that’s if they sang at all.
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I didn’t realise they had beef. Kind of sad that there is unrequited hate. They’re the ultimate meh club to me, bang middle of the road, very few interesting seasons at either end of the table in recent years. Very little to like or dislike.
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I didn’t realise they had beef. Kind of sad that there is unrequited hate. They’re the ultimate meh club to me, bang middle of the road, very few interesting seasons at either end of the table in recent years. Very little to like or dislike.
Shouldn't they think the same about us?
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I will start to worry what's in store for us, if we lose our first two at Home and three on the bounce.
Another full house, under the floodlights, PL cobwebs blown away, and big mistakes well and truly out of our system.
2-1 to us.
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I'm quite fond of Everton really, don't get the animosity the other way.
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I'm quite fond of Everton really, don't get the animosity the other way.
They hate everybody. Donkeys years of being also rans in an part of the country, surrounded by clubs they've no chance of emulating.
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Goodison is showing its age too.
i still prefer it to that state of the art place we went to a couple of weeks ago
proper football stadium
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I have a bit of a soft spot for Everton, always thought of them as a proper club (what with their history/ground/classic matches between us and players that played for both clubs etc). I think one of the problems with other clubs fans is that we have been that poor (in the PL) and mismanaged for that long that their perception of us has changed, especially with younger fans. We did stink the PL out for quite some time under project young and hungry (pretty criminal really).
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I don't mind Everton, but they do have the bitterest fans I've ever come across. You could marinate an Albion fan in tonic water and serve him on a bed of radicchio and he wouldn't be as bitter as an Everton fan.
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I've always found them very whingey and moany, so by the end of a game at Goodison, you've had enough of them.
They're quite a subdued fanbase home and away regardless of numbers.
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During the MOTD highlights against Watford last weekend, even the commentator mentioned how quiet it was inside the ground.
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Can't see why we shouldn't be winning a game like this. We were all rightly fed up when we were accused of doing a Fulham in the summer, so I'm not going to sit back and quietly accept doing a Fulham.
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I didn’t realise they had beef. Kind of sad that there is unrequited hate. They’re the ultimate meh club to me, bang middle of the road, very few interesting seasons at either end of the table in recent years. Very little to like or dislike.
Shouldn't they think the same about us?
Yeah they probably should and the majority probably do but thetes an element who seem to dislike our club and fans for some reason. Out of the fisrt few posters on their forum several say they actively hate us. Bit strange really as we don't hate them. Oh well fuck em anyway. C'mon you Villa boys
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I have a bit of a soft spot for Everton, always thought of them as a proper club (what with their history/ground/classic matches between us and players that played for both clubs etc). I think one of the problems with other clubs fans is that we have been that poor (in the PL) and mismanaged for that long that their perception of us has changed, especially with younger fans. We did stink the PL out for quite some time under project young and hungry (pretty criminal really).
Yeah, I don't mind Everton. I'll hate them if they beat us on Friday, but that'd be the same with any team that does so. And then I'll gradually go back to not minding them.
Far more likeable than scummy clubs like Spurs, Liverpool, Chelsea and Newcastle.
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Can't see why we shouldn't be winning a game like this. We were all rightly fed up when we were accused of doing a Fulham in the summer, so I'm not going to sit back and quietly accept doing a Fulham.
Agreed. We haven’t played badly in two games and lost both. Eventually if we play well consistently and continue to improve on the disciplines of the game the mental mistakes should decline and we will win. No reason why it can’t be Friday.
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We haven't played badly, but with shown a great level of naivety in our own defensive third and haven't put much in the way of decent delivery into the box.
I'm not sure where the optimism comes from that we should beat Everton. They're a good side and difficult to break down. If we score first, we have a chance, concede first and I think we'll get beat again.
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We haven't played badly, but with shown a great level of naivety in our own defensive third and haven't put much in the way of decent delivery into the box.
I'm not sure where the optimism comes from that we should beat Everton. They're a good side and difficult to break down. If we score first, we have a chance, concede first and I think we'll get beat again.
Where's Ads and what have you done with him?!
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I need to see that first win to give me confidence we can stay up. I'm conditioned to us being nowhere near good enough for this league and I can't shake that feeling.
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Can't see why we shouldn't be winning a game like this. We were all rightly fed up when we were accused of doing a Fulham in the summer, so I'm not going to sit back and quietly accept doing a Fulham.
Like your thinking and attitude!
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We haven't played badly, but with shown a great level of naivety in our own defensive third and haven't put much in the way of decent delivery into the box.
I'm not sure where the optimism comes from that we should beat Everton. They're a good side and difficult to break down. If we score first, we have a chance, concede first and I think we'll get beat again.
You’re right. But naivety comes often comes with inexperience. We have a strong structure at the club now. A manager who wants to learn as well as players who have proven they are responsive to his coaching. They will have studied the last two games and they will know where they have to improve. And it is at both ends of the pitch. Everton are a good team. They will over the course of the season challenge towards the top end of the table. But like most teams at this stage of the season they will be beatable.
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We haven't played badly, but with shown a great level of naivety in our own defensive third and haven't put much in the way of decent delivery into the box.
I'm not sure where the optimism comes from that we should beat Everton. They're a good side and difficult to break down. If we score first, we have a chance, concede first and I think we'll get beat again.
You’re right. But naivety comes often comes with inexperience. We have a strong structure at the club now. A manager who wants to learn as well as players who have proven they are responsive to his coaching. They will have studied the last two games and they will know where they have to improve. And it is at both ends of the pitch. Everton are a good team. They will over the course of the season challenge towards the top end of the table. But like most teams at this stage of the season they will be beatable.
My immediate concern is that we look a little lightweight; easy to bully. And, we need to look after the ball better.
Get these right and I think we'll be fine.
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I'm hoping to see the minor change of El Ghazi out Hourihane in with Grealish pushed further forward.
Oh and three points!
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I like Everton from a distance but am often dismayed by some of their fans and their opinions of Villa. I need thicker skin I guess.
I think we're capable of winning, with en eye on on the type of football played, amount of chances created and possession we had against Bournemouth. That said there's absolutely no shame in a loss here, they are a better team and club than us currently, no question.
I think it's vital that we as fans keep our heads too. If we lose, the media will be stirring it up, making all sorts of nonsense up. Don't buy it, don't let it sink in. There's a whole season to go and so much time and room for our team to grow and improve.
3-2, last minute McGinn special.
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Seeing as this is on the tele I can only see a repeat of this
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Seeing as this is on the tele I can only see a repeat of this
the day Ormadroyd played like Ronaldo . unplayable
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Delph is out. Digne is available unfortunately.
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Seeing as this is on the tele I can only see a repeat of this
the day Ormadroyd played like Ronaldo . unplayable
Apparently they could have gone top of the league that Sunday if they'd won like they could do tomorrow. So what with that stat (30 years later) I wonder who will step up and be our unplayable Ian Ormondroyd tomorrow night?
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Seeing as this is on the tele I can only see a repeat of this
the day Ormadroyd played like Ronaldo . unplayable
I remember clearly one paper compared him to Eusebio!
Maybe this game and the last minute Ashley Young 2-3 game explain why they hate us?
Oh, and when big Ron played a mainly black 11 against them.
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Seeing as this is on the tele I can only see a repeat of this
One of my favourite matches.
Ormondroyd rampaging down the wing
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I can't wait for this match Villa Park rocking under the lights on a Friday night bring it on.
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Keown, Keown what's the score?
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We haven't played badly, but with shown a great level of naivety in our own defensive third and haven't put much in the way of decent delivery into the box.
I'm not sure where the optimism comes from that we should beat Everton. They're a good side and difficult to break down. If we score first, we have a chance, concede first and I think we'll get beat again.
I think we are quite capable of beating Everton
I still believe in this squad and I don’t think we have seen anything like the best of it yet
But we do need to be more positive and have belief in ourselves
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I like the badly dressed fans comments. So of course they all come down dressed like millionaires or something? Yet another teams supporters would have you believe we are middle to upper class range rover drivers. We cant win!
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I like the badly dressed fans comments. So of course they all come down dressed like millionaires or something? Yet another teams supporters would have you believe we are middle to upper class range rover drivers. We cant win!
I drive a Range rover, and I am scruffy.
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Me too.
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Would not surprise me to see Dean go with Davis to start, and bring on Moraes off the bench if warranted in 2nd half. The latter is clearly way off the pace and his hold up play has been shite, which is something Keinan can offer us at least, if not goals.
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I agree in some ways but I really think Wesley should get more starts and more chances to build confidence in a game when we’re not under the cosh because we’re either rank underdogs or on the back foot from the first minute.
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They seemed to develop a hard on over us during MONS reign as they'd often out play us but we'd still get a result. Wether their dislike of us was there before that, fuck knows.
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Seeing as this is on the tele I can only see a repeat of this
One of my favourite matches.
Ormondroyd rampaging down the wing
I wouldn't like to admit to the amount of times I watched this on video as a kid.
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Surely their jealousy is because we are the biggest club in a much bigger city while they are, a brief period apart, the also rans in theirs.
I did like the 1980s Everton to be fair, but they've never looked like repeating that since.
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I like the badly dressed fans comments.
They're obviously referring to Percy.
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Would not surprise me to see Dean go with Davis to start, and bring on Moraes off the bench if warranted in 2nd half. The latter is clearly way off the pace and his hold up play has been shite, which is something Keinan can offer us at least, if not goals.
Said it once, but I'll say it again, I am shit scared our failure to buy another striker is going to bite us on the arse.
Two games in and we're already talking about Keinan Davis - a totally unproven striker - being brought in. It's not good.
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We haven't played badly, but with shown a great level of naivety in our own defensive third and haven't put much in the way of decent delivery into the box.
I'm not sure where the optimism comes from that we should beat Everton. They're a good side and difficult to break down. If we score first, we have a chance, concede first and I think we'll get beat again.
Where's Ads and what have you done with him?!
Nice one Risso - That made me chuckle
Possibly for the first time ever I find myself agreeing totally with a post from Ads :)
Likewise I shall resist endorsing comments made by Evertonians made on their fanzines sites ........defending Scousers et al has previously got me in hot water :)
I have many friends who follow Everton and without exception they have never made a disparaging comment to me about the Villa ...at least not to my face
I always think as a club they are on a par with our own club in most respects, with our ground being superior to theirs .....plus we have more than one song !!
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I think we have to stick with Wesley for now, unless he has a Butland like shocker. Would knock his confidence too much to drop him. Hopefully he can play better tomorrow and then play him against Crewe on Tuesday.
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I think we have to stick with Wesley for now, unless he has a Butland like shocker. Would knock his confidence too much to drop him. Hopefully he can play better tomorrow and then play him against Crewe on Tuesday.
Not in goal I hope :) only kidding gsk
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I've never experienced any hostility from Everton fans. Liverpool yes.
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I think we have to stick with Wesley for now, unless he has a Butland like shocker. Would knock his confidence too much to drop him. Hopefully he can play better tomorrow and then play him against Crewe on Tuesday.
Not in goal I hope :) only kidding gsk
I'm just glad we're not talking about Butland shockers for us !!
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I think we have to stick with Wesley for now, unless he has a Butland like shocker. Would knock his confidence too much to drop him. Hopefully he can play better tomorrow and then play him against Crewe on Tuesday.
Not in goal I hope :) only kidding gsk
I'm just glad we're not talking about Butland shockers for us !!
I'm hoping Heaton looks a bit more confident and that he is more commanding in the air .... no doubting his ability as a showstopper, he just looked uncomfortable on crosses ....maybe still getting used to Mings and Engels around him
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Would not surprise me to see Dean go with Davis to start, and bring on Moraes off the bench if warranted in 2nd half. The latter is clearly way off the pace and his hold up play has been shite, which is something Keinan can offer us at least, if not goals.
Said it once, but I'll say it again, I am shit scared our failure to buy another striker is going to bite us on the arse.
Two games in and we're already talking about Keinan Davis - a totally unproven striker - being brought in. It's not good.
It’s a worry. Can’t we loan a striker or is the window also shut on loans?
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I like the badly dressed fans comments. So of course they all come down dressed like millionaires or something? Yet another teams supporters would have you believe we are middle to upper class range rover drivers. We cant win!
There were one of the poorest cities in western Europe not so long back. So if it's sartorial elegance that's holding us back, probably best not to go hunting in that general direction for tips.
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Sartorial snobbery from Scousers. Love it.
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looking forward to this now
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There may be a 12th minute applause.
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I dont mean to sound callous (I know this is for the 12th anniversary of a young Everton fans death) but all of these minutes applause for this fan or that fan is getting a bit out of hand. I saw Blose had one the other night on the 50th minute. Sad as someones passing is, Brum is a city of 1 million, we'll be having minutes applause every minute of every match every week if we catered for everyone.
Ex players and managers yes when they go but fans and now anniversaries of the passing of fans. How many of these do people want?
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I was watching an Everton fanzine on YouTube yesterday ("Toffee TV") and they were doing a preview on Friday's game.
They said quite a few complimentary things about us, such as us being a "big club" with a "proper" football ground and how it's good how we are back in the PL.
They also mentioned that Villa v Everton is the most played top flight fixture.
I see the poll is now running about 50/50.
I also went for a win (thinking a narrow 1-0).
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Tough one to call. We haven't played that badly and should have got a got a point last time out. I'll go a narrow defeat. I can see us winning our first game at Palace.
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I dont mean to sound callous (I know this is for the 12th anniversary of a young Everton fans death) but all of these minutes applause for this fan or that fan is getting a bit out of hand. I saw Blose had one the other night on the 50th minute. Sad as someones passing is, Brum is a city of 1 million, we'll be having minutes applause every minute of every match every week if we catered for everyone.
Ex players and managers yes when they go but fans and now anniversaries of the passing of fans. How many of these do people want?
I know what you mean, but then Scousers "wallow" in this sort of thing don't they? Not my opinion of course but the opinion of our PM, and he wouldn't get to such high office making ill-informed and bigoted sweeping generalisations would he?
Anyway, I think a draw would be a mighty fine result, but I still believe that we retain the ability, with the players at our disposal, to play very well and we shouldn't lose sight of that.
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Come on you Villa boys! 3 points would be great, even a point to get something on the board would be fine, but let’s go for the win, and show them who’s boss on our own pitch! UTV!
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I'm not sure why certain players such as Targett have been told that they have to earn their spot over the incumbent, whereas as others like Heaton have walked straight into the team.
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Did others see it as Grealish tiring and finding less stamina to get up and down the pitch in the last 10 or so minutes if the Bournemouth match.
I observed other players out run him and pass by him with the ball I think Elmo and Jota were two when in possession and getting back up the pitch from villas own half .
Something to keep eye on
He was certainly energetic at times Saturday , on the ball in the opposition half and final third and especially more so second half but observation he was running out of steam
Any thoughts on this from others ?
Players tire in last ten minutes of game shock! Hold the back page!
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Changes for me tonight.
Start Trez on the left.
Drop El Ghazi and replace him with Elmo.
Bring in Freddy to play behind Elmo.
I also hope we get to see marvellous on the bench.
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Shaun Teale on Talksport soon talking about the game & Villa in general.
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Heaton
Targett
Mings
Engels
Guilbert
Douglas
McGinn
Marvelous
Grealish
Wesley
Trezeguet
The Smirker starting eleven.
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Anything could happen.
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Heaton
Targett
Mings
Engels
Guilbert
Douglas
McGinn
Marvelous
Grealish
Wesley
Trezeguet
The Smirker starting eleven.
Not sure Marvelous is fit - would go for Hourihane myself.
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Going for a 2-1 win, more in hope than reality, need to start getting points on the board, settle for a draw, lose this and we've got problems in spite of of just a few games in, this is the Premier League.
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I'm surprised at the amount of people who are pushing Jack out to a winger role. He's our most talented player and will hopefully develop in one of the best No 10's in England. Do we really want to be fucking around with his position 2 games into the season?
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Quote of the day on the Everton forum - "Villa would love to be Everton. We are their white whale." Hahahaha hahaha. How self obsessed!
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Heaton
Targett
Mings
Engels
Guilbert
Douglas
McGinn
Marvelous
Grealish
Wesley
Trezeguet
The Smirker starting eleven.
Exact 11 I was suggesting in a conversation this morning. With Grealish in a free role.
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Feeling nervous, which is ridiculous after only 2 games. Will relax, when we're 4 up with 3 minutes left.
Up The Villa
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Don’t be surprised or disappointed if we don’t see Guilbert and Targett in the side until Crewe next week. If he puts one or both in tonight then I will be happily surprised but I don’t expect it will happen.
I’d like to see Conor partner Luiz in a 4231 but I don’t think Dean will change formation yet either, but he needs to drop AEG and get more support for Wes whatever changes he makes.
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Changes for me tonight.
Start Trez on the left.
Drop El Ghazi and replace him with Elmo.
Bring in Freddy to play behind Elmo.
I also hope we get to see marvellous on the bench.
Playing Elmo on right wing for a home game is the kind of change Bruce would get dogs abuse for
I'd be really worried with Smith if there is no change at full back tonight, even one of them. As others have said there is no consistency in the likes of Heaton, Trez and Luiz walking into the team with very limited pre season action but Guilbert and Targett being left out.
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Quote of the day on the Everton forum - "Villa would love to be Everton. We are their white whale." Hahahaha hahaha. How self obsessed!
He sounds like a right "Moby Dick"
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I’d rather be Liverpool, thanks. And I don’t want to be them very much at all.
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White whale? Don't geddit. I'd rather be their Jonah.