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Heroes & Villains => Villa Memories => Topic started by: PeterWithe on August 09, 2019, 04:06:03 PM
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Got talking to an old East End boy and he was telling me that an old mate of his with the above name had a season of two with Villa in the late 60s early 70s
Name didn’t mean anything to me. Anyone shed light?
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Played in goal early seventies , I remember him vaugely from when my dad first started taking me down
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He was a decent enough keeper, but not a fans' favourite particularly. He kept goal in the League Cup Final v Tottenham in 1971, and throughout that season, but lost his place when we signed Jim Cumbes and never regained it. Played 118 games for us.
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He was a decent enough keeper, but not a fans' favourite particularly. He kept goal in the League Cup Final v Tottenham in 1971, and throughout that season, but lost his place when we signed Jim Cumbes and never regained it. Played 118 games for us.
My recollection is that he lost his place to Tommy Hughes who in turn lost his to Cumbes.
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He was a decent enough keeper, but not a fans' favourite particularly. He kept goal in the League Cup Final v Tottenham in 1971, and throughout that season, but lost his place when we signed Jim Cumbes and never regained it. Played 118 games for us.
My recollection is that he lost his place to Tommy Hughes who in turn lost his to Cumbes.
Ah, yes, I'm sure you're right.
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I remember him well. He wasn't the worst I've ever seen play in goal for us.
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He was a decent enough keeper, but not a fans' favourite particularly. He kept goal in the League Cup Final v Tottenham in 1971, and throughout that season, but lost his place when we signed Jim Cumbes and never regained it. Played 118 games for us.
Thanks, he mentioned that’s he’d played in the FA cup final against Spurs which made me doubt the whole story
Thanks to all
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He was the first Villa keeper I really remember, and played more games than Colin Withers, Evan Williams and Tommy Hughes in my very early supporting years.
I recall somebody posting here around 15 years ago that they had mentioned at their work in London they were a Villa fan and a female colleague mentioned that John Dunne was her dad.
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There was no 'e' on the end of his surname.
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Remember him well.
John Dunn was at Colin Abbot's book launch a couple of years agao with Harry Gregory, I had a good chat to both of them.
Neither of them could believe anyone actually remembered them, very humble guys.
Sadly Harry passed away recently but John looked very well, tanned and healthy.
He was the League Cup final goalkeeper, signed by Tommy Doc I think, and he was not the biggest, but a good shot stopper.
Vic Crowe gave him a free transfer when we were relegated to the third, and he was replaced by Tommy Hughes.
He later made a decent career in the lower divisions, signing for Charlton.
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He was a decent enough keeper, but not a fans' favourite particularly. He kept goal in the League Cup Final v Tottenham in 1971, and throughout that season, but lost his place when we signed Jim Cumbes and never regained it. Played 118 games for us.
My recollection is that he lost his place to Tommy Hughes who in turn lost his to Cumbes.
Correct mate
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Tommy Hughes and Evan Williams* were the two worst goalkeepers I ever saw play for the Villa.
*He was only on loan
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A decent reliable keeper. He was between the sticks for both the Man U games in 70/71 doing his bit to keep the likes of Best, Charlton, Law out against a 3rd division side. For that alone he has his place in our history.
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Tommy Hughes and Evan Williams* were the two worst goalkeepers I ever saw play for the Villa.
*He was only on loan
I saw Tommy Hughes' last game for us our 1st round defeat in the FA Cup away at mighty Southend United a 1 - 0 defeat, a Bill Garner ??? strike.
We signed Jimmy Cumbes in the week who then made his debut the following week at Oldham in a 6-0 win.
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John Dunn was signed by Tommy Cummings in January 1968.
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Tommy Hughes and Evan Williams* were the two worst goalkeepers I ever saw play for the Villa.
*He was only on loan
Don't remember Evan Williams on loan.
The only loan 'keeper I can remember is Graham Moseley (Derby County) who deputised for Jim Cumbes
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Tommy Hughes and Evan Williams* were the two worst goalkeepers I ever saw play for the Villa.
*He was only on loan
Agreed, Evan Williams was poor, but he went from loan to us back to Wolves, then to Celtic where he played a lot of games.
Think he only played about 9 or 10 games for us, it was because of an injury crisis to our goalkeepers at the time and Dunn was out of favour with Docherty.
He signed the Shrewsbury keeper John Phillips, who was 18 at the time, and threw him into the Blues Derby a few days after signing him.
Phillips was a good shot stopper but prone to mistakes and dropped the ball regularly, I remember.
He played for the rest of that terrible season that saw us relegated to the third division, before Vic Crowe took over from Docherty and reinstated Dunn for the last games as we went down.
Phillips went on to be a good keeper at Chelsea, he passed away in the last year.
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Evan Williams was a terrible goalkeeper, by some distance the worst we have ever had.
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And yet, the same season he spent a short spell on loan to us, he also played in a European Cup Final with Celtic!
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On goalkeepers - anyone remember, or have any info on a keeper with the surname of Sadler? Sorry I don’t know his first name. Early 60’s I’d guess.
I’ve looked in a few reference books but cannot find anything
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On goalkeepers - anyone remember, or have any info on a keeper with the surname of Sadler? Sorry I don’t know his first name. Early 60’s I’d guess.
I’ve looked in a few reference books but cannot find anything
Not ringing any bells. The below is probably the most extensive database listing.
http://astonvillaplayerdatabase.com/
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On goalkeepers - anyone remember, or have any info on a keeper with the surname of Sadler? Sorry I don’t know his first name. Early 60’s I’d guess.
I’ve looked in a few reference books but cannot find anything
Not ringing any bells. The below is probably the most extensive database listing.
http://astonvillaplayerdatabase.com/
thanks. it was a name that got mentioned in passing whilst on other topics. Chap had his relatives telegrams telling him he was playing, meet time etc.
I will see what else i can get off him.
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On goalkeepers - anyone remember, or have any info on a keeper with the surname of Sadler? Sorry I don’t know his first name. Early 60’s I’d guess.
I’ve looked in a few reference books but cannot find anything
PJ Sadler
Was on our books for 2 seasons: 1954-55 & 1955-56
Played for various youth/colts teams.
Played in the first youth cup games.
Mainly used in Birmingham & District Amateur League games.
Played in the Warwickshire Combination League & the Midland Midweek League.
Also, a quick internet search shows a Peter J Sadler born 1937 in Sutton Coldfield may well be a ‘good fit’.
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On goalkeepers - anyone remember, or have any info on a keeper with the surname of Sadler? Sorry I don’t know his first name. Early 60’s I’d guess.
I’ve looked in a few reference books but cannot find anything
PJ Sadler
Was on our books for 2 seasons: 1954-55 & 1955-56
Played for various youth/colts teams.
Played in the first youth cup games.
Mainly used in Birmingham & District Amateur League games.
Played in the Warwickshire Combination League & the Midland Midweek League.
Also, a quick internet search shows a Peter J Sadler born 1937 in Sutton Coldfield may well be a ‘good fit’.
That’s him I think. Thanks.
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I sometimes wonder how many players were on the Villa's books in the fifteen or twenty years from the end of the war. There must have been thousands.
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I sometimes wonder how many players were on the Villa's books in the fifteen or twenty years from the end of the war. There must have been thousands.
Most likely. To think at its peak, the club were involved in 7 (seven) different leagues.
If I had access to 1940's programmes its probably something I could calculate.
So its probably best for my own sanity I don't!
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I sometimes wonder how many players were on the Villa's books in the fifteen or twenty years from the end of the war. There must have been thousands.
Most likely. To think at its peak, the club were involved in 7 (seven) different leagues.
If I had access to 1940's programmes its probably something I could calculate.
So its probably best for my own sanity I don't!
Then there's all the teams who played at Villa Park during the war and in local cup finals. There's been a few occasions when someone's been convinced a deceased relative played for the Villa and point blank refused to believe that they didn't.
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He was a decent enough keeper, but not a fans' favourite particularly. He kept goal in the League Cup Final v Tottenham in 1971, and throughout that season, but lost his place when we signed Jim Cumbes and never regained it. Played 118 games for us.
My recollection is that he lost his place to Tommy Hughes who in turn lost his to Cumbes.
Ah, yes, I'm sure you're right.
Yes, John Dunn was a decent keeper for the time he played - most notably as mentioned the 2 games against Man Utd in 1970 - LCSF.
I seem to recall Tommy Hughes was signed at the start of the season after that (1971-72) our second and last in the 3rd Division. My main memory of Tommy Hughes was the table topper against promotion rivals, at the time, Notts County, when he made an absolute catalogue of mistakes during the first 85 minutes or so and was bailed out in every way possible, he had the laugh though when he saved a late penalty (from Don Masson I think ?) and amazingly we held out for a famous 1-0 win.
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I went to that game -amazing!!
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So did I. Not sure but I think I still have the programme. Tommy Hughes and Evan Williams are the two worst 'keepers I ever saw for the Villa.
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He then became a radio 2 presenter.
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He then became a radio 2 presenter.
John Dunne did.
John Dunn didn't.