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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: kieron on July 31, 2019, 07:12:41 AM
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https://twitter.com/JPercyTelegraph/status/1156444966471852032
"#avfc agree £8m deal for Burnley goalkeeper Tom Heaton. Improved offer was accepted last night #twitterclarets via @telegraph https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/07/31/aston-villa-agree-8m-deal-burnley-goalkeeper-tom-heaton/"
Aston Villa are set to sign Burnley goalkeeper Tom Heaton after agreeing an £8m deal last night.
Heaton is due for a medical at Villa in the next 48 hours after an improved offer was accepted for the England international.
Dean Smith, the Villa head coach, has been determined to bring in another goalkeeper this summer and Heaton will leave Turf Moor after a six-year spell.
It is understood the fee is £8m, with a modest add-on of £500,000.
Heaton, 33, played the first half of Burnley’s 6-1 victory over Nice in a pre-season friendly on Tuesday night.
He is poised to become Villa’s 12th signing of the summer, following the club’s promotion to the Premier League.
Smith had also considered Stoke’s Jack Butland and Cardiff’s Neil Etheridge but the signing of Heaton, who had less than a year remaining on his Burnley contract, will be seen as a shrewd purchase.
Marvelous Nakamba, the Zimbabwe international, is also poised to complete his £11 million move in the next few days subject to a medical and visa.
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If Percy is saying it, it must be so.
I would be very pleased with a Heaton.
If I recall we were linked with him some time ago but it obviously didn’t happen then.
When he got back in the Burnley team after injury earlier this year, his performances were brilliant.
I think he’s a top keeper, and still has a few years left in him.
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Great stuff, hope it happens. Solid, experienced, in one of the positions where you can’t really afford to gamble. One striker to go and the basics are covered.
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Only 33 so that's 5 good years in him yet. Current England international. What's not to like.
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Hope it's true, he's a top quality keeper.
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It's the one position you don't want to really gamble and don't mind if you get an older bloke in. Seems like an excellent acquisition, Burnley fans don't want him to leave which is always a good sign.
Welcome Tom "Central" Heaton. 😊
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#announcemaupaythenwearefinished
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Seems like a decent signing, hopefully just a 3 year deal, as he is 33 soon to be 34
Can someone please explain the love in with Maupay? his he that good that we desperately need to sign him?, and if we do where would he play?
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An incredibly good goalkeeper. Only concern is his injury record but I assume they'll scan his shoulder as part of medical and hopefully all will be okay.
Big deal for us if this goes through.
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Seems like a decent signing, hopefully just a 3 year deal, as he is 33 soon to be 34
Can someone please explain the love in with Maupay? his he that good that we desperately need to sign him?, and if we do where would he play?
25 goals last season and assists too. Can play centrally and wide, and currently our striker options are pretty sparse past Wesley.
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It's the one position you don't want to really gamble and don't mind if you get an older bloke in. Seems like an excellent acquisition, Burnley fans don't want him to leave which is always a good sign.
Welcome Tom "Central" Heaton. 😊
That last line made me chuckle. Cheers mate!
And good signing.
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Great stuff, hope it happens. Solid, experienced, in one of the positions where you can’t really afford to gamble. One striker to go and the basics are covered.
Completely agree, Percy.
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Burnley fans are gutted, which is a good sign. He's not too old for a goalkeeper, is at his peak and given he's about £15m cheaper than Butland, makes sense.
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I think this is the ideal one for us. Experienced keeper to go straight in whilst we're re-establishing ourselves in the PL (which is where his experience has been gained) and at an age where he's still in his peak but in a few years may be ready to stand down so it doesn't rule out Jed Steer getting more chances which i think he's earned.
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so will we flog 2 keeper if this happens ?
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I imagine at least one if not both of Kalinic and Nyland will be sold or loaned.
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That's a nice surprise. Defintely need a new keeper.
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Great news, my preferred choice to be honest. I was not keen on the other options, we could do with some experience and he's still extremely agile and not too old for a keeper.
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Great if we get him - he'll need to organise a new defence in front of him and the experience will help speed that up, plus he was the reason Burnley turned it around last season after Hart was dropped. No complaints at all - if he lasts 2-3 years then that's a steal.
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Very happy with that, Loan Kalinic
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He's got premier league experience in abundance, played for his country and was his teams captain. He's a leader and will help organise our relatively inexperienced defence and he costs at least £10m less than Buckland, what's not great about any of that
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Like the sound of this, although playing behind our new look defence, he's not going to have much to do anyway.
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Really pleased with this. Top keeper with a good few years left in him, a proper leader too which will inspire confidence.
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Always rated Heaton so very pleased he is here.
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Adds some much needed PL experience to our backline, I would think he has been signed as number one but I wonder if Steer will be given a chance to keep his place.
Like others have said I still think we could do with another attacker and then it's just a matter of trying to offload some of our youngsters (on loan) and fringe players.
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Let's hope the medical is sorted faster than Nakamba's!!
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Let's hope the medical is sorted faster than Nakamba's!!
I would never want a medical on my Nakambas rushed.
😁
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Very pleased with this.
Experienced goalkeeper, similar to when we signed Friedel, who did well for us, he's 33 but should play for at least another four years and will steady our defence. I think we will cut our losses with Kalanic, he is a current international and will command a decent fee, shame but he looked like a rabbit in the headlights after one robust challenge against Albion.
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Happy with this aswell. With all the new defenders, we need a keeper who is premier league experienced and can organise a back 4 and Heaton showed last few years at Burnley he can certainly do that.
Think this is similar to when we got Friedel in who did a solid job for us.
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Wasn't Friedel 37 when he arrived? Tom's a relative nipper.
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I’m happy with this. On the age thing, I’d love to see some stats. I guess friedel / Buffon are still relatively extreme cases but I wonder where the averages are for peak stats, playing at highest level and retirement - and how different it is from outfield players. There must be some statto on here who has that at their fingertips ;-)
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I don’t know much about Heaton but he seems to be highly rated and respected. Hope his injury issues are fully resolved and his experience could be vital at the back. I’d expect one of Nyland or Kalanic to be sold now rather than loaned.
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Kalinic can go, he was awful.
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Yeah very happy with this, although it is going be a bit tough on Jed Steer.
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Is he related to Paul Heaton?
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Is he related to Paul Heaton?
Yes, his nickname is 'Happy Hour' Heaton and his signing is something we can 'Build' on.
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I'm happy with signing him good keeper.
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I bet Heaton is well chuffed . Joining Aston Villa in our new exciting era from Burnley at 33.
Solid sensible signing this.
bet Butland is gutted.
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Only 33 so that's 5 good years in him yet. Current England international. What's not to like.
Well may be two good years and final year after that if he is still fit and agile.
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Is he related to Paul Heaton?
Yes Paul's his alleged dad and they share the caravan of love
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I bet Heaton is well chuffed . Joining Aston Villa in our new exciting era from Burnley at 33.
Solid sensible signing this.
bet Butland is gutted.
I was just about to post the same thing about Butland. I reckon Stoke will have a very unhappy goalkeeper on their hands.
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I’d have preferred Butland but Stoke as is their right held out. I just liked the idea of that position being cemented for the next 10 years. That said Heaton isn’t exactly a poor consolation. Big and solid and with the players we now have in front of him we potentially have the makings of a very sound defence. As much as Dean wants to attack and win every game it all starts at the back with discipline and a secure foundation.
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Is he related to Paul Heaton?
Yes Paul's his alleged dad and they share the caravan of love
The announcement of a new keeper has taken A Little Time but with all the good options I'm sure we'd have found a Song For Whoever we had signed.
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Is he related to Paul Heaton?
Yes Paul's his alleged dad and they share the caravan of love
Apparently Paul disowned him when he became a goalkeeper as he thought he would make a perfect 10.
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Yeah very happy with this, although it is going be a bit tough on Jed Steer.
I'm hoping that Steer is given the chance to start, with Heaton ready to step in as necessary.
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Not some obscure player we’ve not heard of but here’s the obligatory YouTube anyway. Some absolutely stunning saves.
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The announcement of a new keeper has taken A Little Time but with all the good options I'm sure we'd have found a Song For Whoever we had signed.
Very very good.
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Inevitable first shit AVTV interview question
“So Tom, you’re swapping the claret and blue of Burnley for the claret and blue of Aston Villa. How does that feel?”
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Inevitable first shit AVTV interview question
“So Tom, you’re swapping the claret and blue of Burnley for the claret and blue of Aston Villa. How does that feel?”
I hope he answers with "I never played in claret and blue, I'm the bloody goalkeeper!"
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Not some obscure player we’ve not heard of but here’s the obligatory YouTube anyway. Some absolutely stunning saves.
The save from Rondon at about 3:15 in that video is as good as a save as I've ever seen in 40 years of watching football. Magnificent.
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Not some obscure player we’ve not heard of but here’s the obligatory YouTube anyway. Some absolutely stunning saves.
There's some bloomin great saves in here. Strong hands
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Is he related to Paul Heaton?
Yes, his nickname is 'Happy Hour' Heaton and his signing is something we can 'Build' on.
I gotta praise.
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Not some obscure player we’ve not heard of but here’s the obligatory YouTube anyway. Some absolutely stunning saves.
The save from Rondon at about 3:15 in that video is as good as a save as I've ever seen in 40 years of watching football. Magnificent.
looks half decent doesn't he?
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I think we're signing the best goalkeeper that we possibly could. I like Butland too, and it would have been nice to sign someone to potentially be our Number 1 for 10+ years, but at this stage I honestly believe that Heaton is a safer pair of hands.
Also, I know that Premier League experience isn't the be-all and end-all, but it is nice to have at least one 'shoe-in' for the first XI who's been there and done it.
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Not some obscure player we’ve not heard of but here’s the obligatory YouTube anyway. Some absolutely stunning saves.
Good ratings on FIFA also..
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He's quality, and his age could actually be a positive thing, given we have some relative youngsters at the back with little or no top flight previous.
Having an experienced head behind them might prove crucial.
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He might be good but, has he been to Rotterdam?
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Not some obscure player we’ve not heard of but here’s the obligatory YouTube anyway. Some absolutely stunning saves.
That last one was equal if not better than the Banks / Pele one
As an aside the great cross that came in - was that our Targett? Great cross if so
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He might be good but, has he been to Rotterdam?
May not but he's a perfect 10
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I still think the save by Brad from Samba was amongst the best I have ever seen but Heaton for a big man is really strong and gets down very quickly. Burnley fans speak glowingly of two games from last season in particular; Brighton and Man U away that he literally was that keeper literally being a wall.
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Meh he should have held onto that bicycle kick from negrero!
Some great saves in there. My favourite is the one from deeney. Not just because it’s deeney it’s great improvisation and a strong hand.
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I actually thought he was a small keeper but he is listed as being 6'2" so the clips where he gets down very quickly is quite impressive
Another intelligent and seemingly well thought out transfer
I am loving our work this year
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Yeah very happy with this, although it is going be a bit tough on Jed Steer.
I'm hoping that Steer is given the chance to start, with Heaton ready to step in as necessary.
Why would you start with an inferior keeper rather than a top drawer keeper?
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We needed a keeper without a pending mistake in him every game and Heaton ticks that box - really important signing. Tough on steer no as he’s clearly not good enough at the top level and smith chasing a keeper appears to agree with me
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Not some obscure player we’ve not heard of but here’s the obligatory YouTube anyway. Some absolutely stunning saves.
Been saying it since he was first linked, he is a wonderful goalkeeper. He'll be proving some of his doubters wrong while doing the business for us this season. Hopefully.
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The only keeper still in the England squad left over from Euro 2016.. despite being the oldest at the time. I went back and watched some interviews he's done over the years, seems a good bloke. This signing is assuring and I'm glad its happening.
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Yeah very happy with this, although it is going be a bit tough on Jed Steer.
I'm hoping that Steer is given the chance to start, with Heaton ready to step in as necessary.
Why would you start with an inferior keeper rather than a top drawer keeper?
I think that Jed has earned his right to start until proven otherwise.
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It's a shame for Jed, but Heaton will be starting. I'd be tempted to bring Steer on if the opposition get a penalty late on, like Holland did with Krul in some World Cup or Euros.
Partly because younger, shorter, goalkeepers tend to be better at saving penalties, partly to psych out the opposition.
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By that criteria you'd also start Hourihane based on his form end of last season instead of Luiz ?
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Heaton will be the presumed starter, wouldn't be surprised if he has the armband off and on throughout the year. I think with all the new, young signings he will be a good leader for the squad.
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By that criteria you'd also start Hourihane based on his form end of last season instead of Luiz ?
I think it might be a couple of games before we see Luiz as he hasn't had any preseason, has he?
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It's been Jack, Hourihane and Chester that have been leaders with helping new signings adjust but you would think Mings and Heaton would become leaders there too. Luiz is obviously a leader too with him being the captain of the Brazil under-23's.
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By that criteria you'd also start Hourihane based on his form end of last season instead of Luiz ?
To be honest I would.
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It's a shame for Jed, but Heaton will be starting. I'd be tempted to bring Steer on if the opposition get a penalty late on, like Holland did with Krul in some World Cup or Euros.
Partly because younger, shorter, goalkeepers tend to be better at saving penalties, partly to psyche out the opposition.
Problem with that is I reckon you'd piss off the first choice keeper no end. Also from the Youtube video at least, Heaton seems to have the reflexes of a cat.
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Yes, maybe. I just like the idea of making the opposition wait to take their penalty, and all the while thinking "fuck, he must be an expert at saving penalties if they're bringing him on".
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Completed his medical.
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But... did he pass it.
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But... did he pass it.
The good news is he passed it.
The bad news is it was the same medical expert who examined Ivo.
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Great signing, I believe this will be Smith's best signing. Technically he's very, very good, he has a great mindset and strong character. As mentioned also another player with leadership qualities. I genuinely think this is the best GK we will have ever had down at Villa Park.
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Oh bold statement ! Rimmer or Bosnich would take some beating.
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What better than John Dunn?!?
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Colin Withers or Jim Cumbes?
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Has this been confirmed, yet? If so, we still have Steer, Kalinic and Nyland on our books.
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Has this been confirmed, yet? If so, we still have Steer, Kalinic and Nyland on our books.
We’ve got big books now
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Great signing, I believe this will be Smith's best signing. Technically he's very, very good, he has a great mindset and strong character. As mentioned also another player with leadership qualities. I genuinely think this is the best GK we will have ever had down at Villa Park.
How dare you insult Peter Enckelman like that.
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I liked Encks.
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We’ve had a dearth of really good keepers since Bosnich. A lot of OK ones but friedel probably the only really good one and he was way past his best by the time he got here.
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I’m presuming Jed got a new contract with a view to him being number two for now but with a plan to train him up to succeed Heaton and a chance to be number one if he improves or Heaton goes off the boil.
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We’ve had a dearth of really good keepers since Bosnich. A lot of OK ones but friedel probably the only really good one and he was way past his best by the time he got here.
Interesting that no one is rating our England keeper David James in this debate. He scared the life out of me at every corner.
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I thought Sorenson was one of our better ones during his time here. Him and Friedel aside, since Bozzie we've had lots of dross between the sticks really.
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Schmeichel?
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Remember Gabor Kiraly?
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Remember Gabor Kiraly?
Yes, unfortunately.
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How about Jim Herriot (not the vet, though he would have been better) I don't think he ever played for the first team and considering how bad we were then that says a lot about how shit he was. Was he just a loan? I can't remember.
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Schmeichel?
Thought he was dreadful for us, cost us a goal a game. Almost as bad as Carson.
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Who?
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Schmeichel?
Thought he was dreadful for us, cost us a goal a game. Almost as bad as Carson.
He did score one for us. It annoyed me that he had it written into his contract that he was first choice when fit regardless of form.
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Schmeichel?
Thought he was dreadful for us, cost us a goal a game. Almost as bad as Carson.
Carson was very good for us. Until that England appearance.
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Probably not the most glamorous of our signings but certainly one of the most important and the price is the bargain of the summer.
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Schmeichel?
Thought he was dreadful for us, cost us a goal a game. Almost as bad as Carson.
Agreed
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Schmeichel?
Thought he was dreadful for us, cost us a goal a game. Almost as bad as Carson.
Carson was very good for us. Until that England appearance.
Agreed. You could just see the difference that blunder made to his performances.
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Schmeichel?
Thought he was dreadful for us, cost us a goal a game. Almost as bad as Carson.
Carson was very good for us. Until that England appearance.
Agreed. You could just see the difference that blunder made to his performances.
Talking of which Mr Enkleman never recovered either
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Don’t know what happened to Guzan either, he was superb when he first got in the team, Given replaced him was atrocious, Guzan got back in was pretty good then once established he turned into a right bellend.
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It's a shame for Jed, but Heaton will be starting. I'd be tempted to bring Steer on if the opposition get a penalty late on, like Holland did with Krul in some World Cup or Euros.
Partly because younger, shorter, goalkeepers tend to be better at saving penalties, partly to psyche out the opposition.
Problem with that is I reckon you'd piss off the first choice keeper no end. Also from the Youtube video at least, Heaton seems to have the reflexes of a cat.
You mean like that whole Kepa fiasco at Wembley last season?
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Schmeichel?
Thought he was dreadful for us, cost us a goal a game. Almost as bad as Carson.
Carson was very good for us. Until that England appearance.
Agreed. You could just see the difference that blunder made to his performances.
Totally fucked him up confidence wise. He had really grown into the role prior to that
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We’ve had a dearth of really good keepers since Bosnich. A lot of OK ones but friedel probably the only really good one and he was way past his best by the time he got here.
Interesting that no one is rating our England keeper David James in this debate. He scared the life out of me at every corner.
When he was good, he was incredible.
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Remember Gabor Kiraly?
Yes, unfortunately.
Argh!! I'd managed to put that f*****g FA cup goal to the back of my mind for over 10 years.
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Remember Gabor Kiraly?
Yes, unfortunately.
Argh!! I'd managed to put that f*****g FA cup goal to the back of my mind for over 10 years.
I don't think I've ever been angrier at a player wearing our shirt than that at that moment, not even during relegation season, the fucking clown.
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I thought Sorenson was one of our better ones during his time here. Him and Friedel aside, since Bozzie we've had lots of dross between the sticks really.
I might be in a minority but I wasn't a Friedel fan. A shot stopper that didn't have a particularly good reach from what I can recall. The likes of James could claw shots away that were going in the corners. Lots of our keepers had good spells, even Sorensen, though he was far from the bravest if I recall. Carson's career unfortunately suffered badly after that England mistake. I was a big fan of Sam Johnstone the season before last, again I seem to be in a minority on that one.
Worst I can recall were last seasons crew - Nyland, Kalinic and Bunn. Poor old Bunn was genuinely awful. Gollini wasn't the bravest but did have potential. The move to Villa Park was a little early for him, good to see him realising his potential now.
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Looked like someone they'd picked up from the Power League at Salford Park on the way in.
Tracksuited tosspot.
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Remember Gabor Kiraly?
Yes, unfortunately.
Argh!! I'd managed to put that f*****g FA cup goal to the back of my mind for over 10 years.
I don't think I've ever been angrier at a player wearing our shirt than that at that moment, not even during relegation season, the fucking clown.
He looked like he was wearing a pair of grey velour lounge pants, the sort that a Scouse lass might wear to go to the bingo in, with a pair of worn out Uggs and her hair in curlers.
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Completed his medical.
Can I briefly cut through the past goalkeeper debate to ask how one can know this? Or are you just guessing?
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Ads is normally clued up. The one exception being Joe Bryan legging it away on foot from a chasing Bruce at the Belfry last year.
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ITK. Or guessing. Or believing Twatter. Or making it up. Or speculating.
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Well I am happy with Tom Heaton anyway. the only concern is if he gets injured at any stage this season or next.
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Heaton's a very good addition but calling £9m for a 33 year old with 1 year left on his contract a bargain is going way too far for me. I think he's a good signing and I'm ok with the price but I think it's probably about right for the current market.
I'd also hold off a little on the comparisons with previous keepers. If he gets close to being the standard Bosnich or Spink were for us then great, if he matches Freidel or Sorensen then that'll do for me.
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#announcemaupaythenwearefinished
Iwasthinkingexactlythesamefirstthingthismorning👍
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Heaton's a very good addition but calling £9m for a 33 year old with 1 year left on his contract a bargain is going way too far for me. I think he's a good signing and I'm ok with the price but I think it's probably about right for the current market.
I'd also hold off a little on the comparisons with previous keepers. If he gets close to being the standard Bosnich or Spink were for us then great, if he matches Freidel or Sorensen then that'll do for me.
Jimmy Rimmer.
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Completed his medical.
Can I briefly cut through the past goalkeeper debate to ask how one can know this? Or are you just guessing?
He doesn’t, he’s read it elsewhere then presents someone else’s views/opinions/news as his own facts.
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https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1156837203890323456
Confirmed. Welcome Tom!
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Interview:
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Welcome to the Villa, Tom. You will like it around here.
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Welcome Tom to VP!
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Excellent.
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Welcome to the Villa Tom, my Burnley supporting mate is gutted....
UTV
The Doc
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Watching that interview I think he might be Dean Smith's lovechild.
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Welcome Tom. Be brilliant please.
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Watching that interview I think he might be Dean Smith's lovechild.
Uncanny, isn't it?
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Watching that interview I think he might be Dean Smith's lovechild.
That was my first thought as well.
Grinning like a dog with two dicks all the way through, he knows it's going to be a roller coaster.
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I’m full of gratitude to Steer but I don’t think he is a premier league quality keeper.
We now have a top, top goalie and I’m absolutely delighted.
Welcome Tom.
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Welcome to the best club you will ever play for.
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Welcome to Aston Villa Tom.
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I'm absolutely chuffed with this signing, a top keeper in a key position. Welcome to the Villa Tom.
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Great signing.
Those interviews, though, "How does it feel to be at such a stratospheric, magnificent, huge, massive club?"
I know they've got a demographic to appeal to but how corny.
Also, Woodward back on interviewing duties/
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Great signing.
Those interviews, though, "How does it feel to be at such a stratospheric, magnificent, huge, massive club?"
I know they've got a demographic to appeal to but how corny.
Also, Woodward back on interviewing duties/
He's dreadful isn't he?
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Worse.
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God Woodward's questions really are cringeworthy aren't they!!
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I'm pretty sure had we known that promotion would result in the return of Woodward the Wembley celebrations would have been tempered somewhat.
More Sweet Baby Jesus than Sweet Caroline.
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I'm pretty sure had we known that promotion would result in the return of Woodward the Wembley celebrations would have been tempered somewhat.
More Sweet Baby Jesus than Sweet Caroline.
Hah! Spot on
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Watching that interview I think he might be Dean Smith's lovechild.
Dean Smith x Rob Green = Tom Heaton
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Good to hear that Nigel Spink put a good word in about the club. Him and Targett both have the look of a young Dean Smith. I'd be a bit miffed if I was one of Dean's sons.
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I'm pretty sure had we known that promotion would result in the return of Woodward the Wembley celebrations would have been tempered somewhat.
More Sweet Baby Jesus than Sweet Caroline.
We had to be a top flight side again to bring in quality of that calibre.
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Welcome Tom.
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I see this as the most important signing so far. A very, very good keeper. A captain as well, so another leader on the pitch.
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Heaton rifles, Heaton rifles.
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Heaton rifles, Heaton rifles.
Hello-hurrah, what a nice day, for the...
Looks like you've picked the clean sheet song PWS
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Heaton rifles, Heaton rifles.
That popped in my head yesterday after I read he'd signed so I thought of it first, you scamp!
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Very good buy imho, still has 5 years at the top level and will bring a wealth of experience to the back line.
Welcome Tom
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God Woodward's questions really are cringeworthy aren't they!!
Wonder why he didn’t do the marvellous interview ?
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Watch his first interview video and take a drink every time he blinks.
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Completed his medical.
Can I briefly cut through the past goalkeeper debate to ask how one can know this? Or are you just guessing?
He doesn’t, he’s read it elsewhere then presents someone else’s views/opinions/news as his own facts.
You could have just said he follows that medical bloke on Twitter.
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Completed his medical.
Can I briefly cut through the past goalkeeper debate to ask how one can know this? Or are you just guessing?
He doesn’t, he’s read it elsewhere then presents someone else’s views/opinions/news as his own facts.
You could have just said he follows that medical bloke on Twitter.
I really hope that is his official Twitter username. 'Thatmedicalbloke'.
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Heaton showing his class today so far, those calling for Steer to start the first game are you still sure you want him to start against Spurs?
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He kept us in a game that we would have been losing which later paid dividends. I can see why the Burnley fans have been saying what they've been saying.
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Top drawer - if only we'd had a more measured approach to this position, we could have saved millions.
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Just saw his save from yesterday. Great
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I thought his save in the first half from their deflected shot was very good too.
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In my opinion, one of the biggest signings for years. We haven't had a really decent, consistent keeper since Brad Friedel.
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One of my mates is a Burnley fan & he's gutted they've lost him. Great signing.
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In my opinion, one of the biggest signings for years. We haven't had a really decent, consistent keeper since Brad Friedel.
100 percent
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think we saw yesterday the difference of having a absolute top class keeper behind the defence
the saves are one thing but all keepers can make good saves shot stoppers is what they are
what we really needed was a keeper who commanded his area would come for the ball and make brave decisions and was a vocal organiser on the pitch
we got all that with Heaton
even with a big character like Mings at centre back you get the feeling Heaton will be the leader of the defensive pack, he has the experience and authority that Steer doesn’t have right now
I’ve said from the start a top class goalie is a must for us this season
and agree with others who have said it just might be the best bit of business this summer
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I’ll be interested to see if we get many clean sheets next season.
Received wisdom seems to be smith’s approach is press high and risk conceding but to me our defence including Heaton suddenly looks very well balanced and that’s before you add an effective DM in front of them.
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In just 90 minutes against Leipzig, Heaton showed us why we have signed him. He made some incredible saves that I doubt Steer would have even got close to, and that can easily translate to points on the board in the Premier League. Could be our best signing of the summer.
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In just 90 minutes against Leipzig, Heaton showed us why we have signed him. He made some incredible saves that I doubt Steer would have even got close to, and that can easily translate to points on the board in the Premier League. Could be our best signing of the summer.
This (as the kids say)
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Steer did more than enough to get us into the premiership. Perhaps he can learn from Heaton and one day lead us into the champions league.
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I was talking to a Burnley fan i vaguely know on Saturday night. He reckons we have a great keeper, leader and captain in Heaton and reckons he will gain us 10 points this season. He says he is a real organiser of the defence.
He feels they have sold him a year too soon but reckons Nick Pope is very good and Burnley have taken the £80 now rather than a small fee in 12 months.
He also says Westwood has been fantastic for them. He was voted their player of the season in May.
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Bloody hell he really was a bargain.
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Well, good for Westwood. He always seemed a decent sort so I'm glad it's working out for him.
And, as you say, eighty quid for an England goalkeeper? That'll do!
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I was talking to a Burnley fan i vaguely know on Saturday night. He reckons we have a great keeper, leader and captain in Heaton and reckons he will gain us 10 points this season. He says he is a real organiser of the defence.
He feels they have sold him a year too soon but reckons Nick Pope is very good and Burnley have taken the £80 now rather than a small fee in 12 months.
He also says Westwood has been fantastic for them. He was voted their player of the season in May.
You're not on the baijiu in Shanghai are you mate? £80? Superb bit of business.
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I was talking to a Burnley fan i vaguely know on Saturday night. He reckons we have a great keeper, leader and captain in Heaton and reckons he will gain us 10 points this season. He says he is a real organiser of the defence.
He feels they have sold him a year too soon but reckons Nick Pope is very good and Burnley have taken the £80 now rather than a small fee in 12 months.
He also says Westwood has been fantastic for them. He was voted their player of the season in May.
Westwood and Lowton look far better players and far more consistant for Burnley than they ever did for us. People could be forgiven for thinking Sean Dyche was a better manager than Paul Lambert.
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In the spirit of the times I just thought I would make up a number!! Obviously a typo, the true figure was near £127.
Burnley bloke was absolutely waxing lyrical over Dyche. Completely agree with your comments re Westwood and Lowton, Damo.
Incidentally, he mentioned that one of his best mates from university is a Nose so he used to occasionally go to the Sty with him when he couldn't get to a Burnley game. He thought they were alright and decent fans. After a few years they finally played each other and he went in the away end, and he subsequently changed his opinion, referring to their fans as "the Leeds of the Midlands". He reckons Leeds are more obnoxious than Blues though, despised across the whole of Yorkshire (his mom and dad are from Burnley but he grew up in Sowerby, West Yorks).
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I was talking to a Burnley fan i vaguely know on Saturday night. He reckons we have a great keeper, leader and captain in Heaton and reckons he will gain us 10 points this season. He says he is a real organiser of the defence.
He feels they have sold him a year too soon but reckons Nick Pope is very good and Burnley have taken the £80 now rather than a small fee in 12 months.
He also says Westwood has been fantastic for them. He was voted their player of the season in May.
Westwood and Lowton look far better players and far more consistant for Burnley than they ever did for us. People could be forgiven for thinking Sean Dyche was a better manager than Paul Lambert.
Dyche better than Lambert? I have heard it all now.
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Come on now, chaps. It's our Paul's birthday.
He looks a lot older than fifty since the stress of managing Villa for all those years.
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In the spirit of the times I just thought I would make up a number!! Obviously a typo, the true figure was near £127.
Burnley bloke was absolutely waxing lyrical over Dyche. Completely agree with your comments re Westwood and Lowton, Damo.
Incidentally, he mentioned that one of his best mates from university is a Nose so he used to occasionally go to the Sty with him when he couldn't get to a Burnley game. He thought they were alright and decent fans. After a few years they finally played each other and he went in the away end, and he subsequently changed his opinion, referring to their fans as "the Leeds of the Midlands". He reckons Leeds are more obnoxious than Blues though, despised across the whole of Yorkshire (his mom and dad are from Burnley but he grew up in Sowerby, West Yorks).
Surprised at the dislike of Leeds.
In my experience they are only disliked by a few clubs - Derby Forest Villa Blues Chelsea Both Sheffield Clubs Man Utd - every club in Lancashire in face, Bradford Huddersfield Celtic Rangers and maybe one or two others
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Come on now, chaps. It's our Paul's birthday.
He looks a lot older than fifty since the stress of managing Villa for all those years.
Wonder what bollocks he will spin when he takes Swipswich down to the fourth division.
Excuse riddled numpty.
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The strange thing is Ipswich fans still seem to like him.
Yet they hated Mick McCarthy for only finishing twelfth.
🧐
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Was awesome on Saturday, could have been down a few more if it wasn't for some great saves.
Loved how after we conceded the first he came out and was clapping and geeing up the lads and trying not to let heads go down in disappointment.
He's going to make a very valuable contribution this season.
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Was awesome on Saturday, could have been down a few more if it wasn't for some great saves.
Loved how after we conceded the first he came out and was clapping and geeing up the lads and trying not to let heads go down in disappointment.
He's going to make a very valuable contribution this season.
Absolutely. I think him Engels and Mings could be a fantastic core to our defence. (I nearly said threesome but didn't want to give the mucky pups a pnarrr opportunity. Changed it to trio, but wanted to avoid a chocolate biscuit themed pun fest.)
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Trio, Triiiiiiiiooooooo
Tyrone, Engels and a Heaton keeper too.
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Was awesome on Saturday, could have been down a few more if it wasn't for some great saves.
Loved how after we conceded the first he came out and was clapping and geeing up the lads and trying not to let heads go down in disappointment.
He's going to make a very valuable contribution this season.
Absolutely. I think him Engels and Mings could be a fantastic core to our defence. (I nearly said threesome but didn't want to give the mucky pups a pnarrr opportunity. Changed it to trio, but wanted to avoid a chocolate biscuit themed pun fest.)
I think you may be safe, I tried a trio joke at work the other day and the younguns had no idea.
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Trio, Triiiiiiiiooooooo
Tyrone, Engels and a Heaton keeper too.
Then again. ;D
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He's going to be another great signing by us his reaction saves are brilliant.
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At last we've got the goalkeeper we needed, top keeper, dominant, good talker, great shot stopper, very good debut.
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I too was impressed with him, however i did think that his distribution wasn't perfect, he put 2 or 3 out for throw ins after aiming them towards our left wing.
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It seems to be all the rage. Sam Johnstone used to kick it straight out of play and Steer spend a good portion of his time in goal doing the same.
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I too was impressed with him, however i did think that his distribution wasn't perfect, he put 2 or 3 out for throw ins after aiming them towards our left wing.
Yes, three kicks in a row were down the left side, with two going out for a throw I think. I think that was more lack of options from a tiring side than any weakness in his game to be honest. I think against Bournemouth he'll be gently rolling it towards Tyrone to do his distribution thing.
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One thing that really impressed me was that he was practically in the centre circle geeing up the players after Spurs 2nd goal (I think). I like that. A Burnley mate reckons he is a real leader and I saw that on Saturday.
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On the evidence of Saturday Tom Heaton will save us points and win us points all season. The header aside, and ok, a little better distribution overall he was excellent.
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On the evidence of Saturday Tom Heaton will save us points and win us points all season.
Erm, are they not exactly the same thing from a keeper perspective?!
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On the evidence of Saturday Tom Heaton will save us points and win us points all season.
Erm, are they not exactly the same thing from a keeper perspective?!
From our perspective we could be 0-0 and he keeps it that way to gain us a point. We could be winning 1-0 and keeps it that way to help us claim 3. We could also be losing, on the verge of conceding a second or a third and he keeps us in the game long enough for us to score ourselves, thus gaining a point, and dare I say I say it, even go on to win the game. In essence winning us three points.
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Someone in the office today pointed out that his kicking was particularly poor. I did don’t notice it. Anybody else pick up on it?
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Landed in my pint at one point.
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Someone in the office today pointed out that his kicking was particularly poor. I did don’t notice it. Anybody else pick up on it?
Yes, as mentioned a couple of posts above.
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Yes excellent saves, but some dreadful kicks which he needs to work on. It wasn’t a deciding factor or anything but it contributed to their ease in getting the ball back.
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I think you need more time off.
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Are you footyskillz in disguise?
Arrrre you footyskillz, in disguise?
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It'll never catch on.
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That’s fecking awful.
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I feel Tom Heaton performance already has me wanting a deserving chant for him. I think we can be more than happy with full support to have a sing song and jump around to his good name.
In pondering this I have devised a tune and similar lyrics taken from "the heat is on" which I believe is used in that vintage Eddie Murphy movie Beverly Hills cop , such a chant would be fitting.
Lead in with that Sax tune from the song... Then boom -
"Oh-wo-ho, oh-wo-ho
Caught the ball in action he's been saving one or two
Oh-wo-ho, oh-wo-ho
Tell me can you see it
Tell me can you see it
Tell me can you see it
He's Tom Heat-on,
He's Tom Heat-on ,
He's Tom Heat-on
there's no defeat."
*Getting Dion Dublin or any Sax player to be involved is an added bonus.
That's spectacular.
Just needs some scat references or slender action.
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Just watching back the highlights...what in the actual fuck was that brain fart from Heaton?! Wilson was going nowhere and Tyrone has come across to force him out, so what was he thinking sticking his leg out like that? Really fucked us from the first minute.
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I honestly think the mistake was that bad he owes the rest of the team and the supporters an apology. It completely killed the mood less than one minute in. Bad mistake 😔
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Shall we flog him in public while we're at it? Fuck sake, it was a bad mistake, but a public apology?
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Shall we flog him in public while we're at it? Fuck sake, it was a bad mistake, but a public apology?
He needs to be hung, drawn and quartered for it. Or backed for being human and imperfect. Some people have short memories.
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I won't be satisfied until he does the walk around the Bullring
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I honestly think the mistake was that bad he owes the rest of the team and the supporters an apology.
Social media generation.
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I think the club should refund every fan that went, and dock the money from Heaton's wages.
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I think the club should refund every fan that went, and dock the money from Heaton's wages.
I wasn't there, but I think they ought to pay my council tax.
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I think Heaton should personally refund every fans entrance fee, wear a jesters hat in training every day until he keeps a clean sheet and write 200 lines on the official website 'I will not challenge for the ball and risk giving away a penalty again'.
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No surprise to see posters saying we should have had Jed in goal, jeez he's nowhere near the quality of Heaton.
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Heaton will be fine for us.
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Aw, I had got my bag of pea gravel ready for the stoning ....
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I'm sure he will - but then I think the same of Steer.
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I think Heaton should personally pay for my return flight over, cover the costs of my hotel and supply me with match tickets and free drink. Do it Tom, you know it makes sense
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I think over the season Heaton will save us more points than he costs us.
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so any idea of the cause of the aberration yesterday? I was sitting right behind him and the guy was going nowhere other than into the Holte advertising boards. A rush of blood doesn't even come close - it was suicide goalkeeping.
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so any idea of the cause of the aberration yesterday? I was sitting right behind him and the guy was going nowhere other than into the Holte advertising boards. A rush of blood doesn't even come close - it was suicide goalkeeping.
He just thought he could get the ball I assume, nothing more than that.
Odd to see a keeper actually slide in and tackle, normally just go with the hands.
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He made a mistake.He's human, it happens.Public apology? Pathetic if serious
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Public apology? Fucking hell.
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As if Rimmer,Spinksey or bozzie made a mistake.
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Name me a goalkeeper, playing for any club including the best, who hasn't done something like Tom did yesterday in the last 30 years?
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He got caught in two minds. It happens. It just happened to happen at the very start of the game which blew up the game plan so it felt worse than it would otherwise have been.
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There is an alternative view there though TV. It happened in the first minute so that left eighty-nine plus left to rectify it. Strength of character is what is needed in these situations and, being early in the season and fresh back after three years away and the changes that that absence brought means we are still developing that given all the new players getting to know each other better.
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It cost more than 3 points, it caused a huge set back. Momentum is important.
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To be fair, the Bournemouth player was bloody fast.
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It cost more than 3 points, it caused a huge set back. Momentum is important.
That one incident didn't cost us 3 points. There was still an entire game left to play and we let in a second through two mistakes from Trez and Luiz coupled with an unfortunate deflection. It didn't help but there wouldn't have been much momentum at the time. The game was barely underway. It would however have affected our game plan with the second ruining it entirely.
And Dave yes. I am sure at the moment the game plans are quite defined to integrate all the new players, so when something like that happened it made the task that much harder. Had it occurred later in the season I imagine we would be better positioned to come back from it. Still though can't account for errors and at this level against any team it's very costly.
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It cost more than 3 points, it caused a huge set back. Momentum is important.
Why was his mistake more crucial than say McGinn missing an open goal?
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When did McGinn miss an open goal?
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The chance he had in the first half albeit with the GK to beat and he shot straight at him.
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The chance he had in the first half albeit with the GK to beat and he shot straight at him.
Yep, he's going to score even less than Keinan.
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No the point was that we tend to focus in on GK mistakes big times whilst ignoring or reducing impact of errors made by attacking players. My comment was in response to CL’s post.
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I was making a really shit joke about Heaton as a striker.
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When did McGinn miss an open goal?
If McGinn shoots from 30 yards I class that as an open goal.
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I was making a really shit joke about Heaton as a striker.
Ah ok I got the wrong end of the stick.
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We did not recover from the goal and we have 0 points.
It had a massive impact on the game and potentially on the season.
Every one makes mistakes but the first minute of our first home game in the PL for some time against fucking Bournemouth is a monumental fuck up.
I would play Steer against Everton.
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I think it’s fair to say that no one (fans, players, staff, media, etc) expected a cluster fuck like that to kick start our home campaign...but shit happens. It could be argued that Heatons mistake cost us 1 point (Luiz goal cancelled out his error) but I’m confident that he will save us more points and goal difference than Steer will over the course of the season. Let’s not throw the keeper out with the bath water with the “heat on”.
Edit: Please accept my sincere humble apologies for the very shit heating pun.
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I am with Chicago on this one. Heaton's first minute mistake was much more damaging than putting the result of a critical game in jeopardy. When it happened and how it happened will inevitably make more difficult the achievement of early season momentum.
The basic problem is the spectre of "silly mistakes" coming back to haunt us. It is neither wise nor acceptable to consider "silly mistakes" as some sort of rub of the green that will even even themselves out over a season. They are caused by lack of concentration, lack of focus and lack of professionalism. Tommy Elphick for example did not make regular "silly mistakes" because he was unlucky, he made them because he lost concentration.
A good, competent professional footballer has to have in his/her skill set the ability to think quickly and clearly under pressure. It is every bit as important as the technical skills. .And to do it from the first whistle to the last.
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I wouldn't be dropping a player after one mistake. It would be a massive knee jerk reaction and totally unnecessary. People need to calm down a bit.
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I wouldn't be dropping a player after one mistake. It would be a massive knee jerk reaction and totally unnecessary. People need to calm down a bit.
Absolutely, Luiz made a major rick which cost us a goal and is being praised for his performance after that . Heaton played well after his mistake and now some people calling for Steer to replace our best keeper after one mistake is comical.
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Heaton’s proper villa now.
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We did not recover from the goal and we have 0 points.
It had a massive impact on the game and potentially on the season.
Every one makes mistakes but the first minute of our first home game in the PL for some time against fucking Bournemouth is a monumental fuck up.
I would play Steer against Everton.
You're having a laugh, right?!
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Surely you can’t drop Heaton after one fuck up? He’d never recover.
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It cost more than 3 points, it caused a huge set back. Momentum is important.
You're just being completely melodramatic. Get a fucking grip.
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It was a stupid error. I very much doubt it will be repeated.
We really can't afford to keep making them, two in 10 minutes in this division will be punished; unless you play Newcastle.
He's a great keeper and as with all of our players they need support not lambasting.
He's our No.1 now and needs to stay there.
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It was a stupid error. I very much doubt it will be repeated.
We really can't afford to keep making them, two in 10 minutes in this division will be punished; unless you play Newcastle.
He's a great keeper and as with all of our players they need support not lambasting.
He's our No.1 now and needs to stay there.
Yep, I'm very much with you on this one. He was brilliant in pre-season and made some top class saves against Spurs. I don't see the same comments in dropping Douglas which was a huge clanger as well. Like the skipper has said, iron them out now and we'll be absolutely fine.
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It was a stupid error. I very much doubt it will be repeated.
We really can't afford to keep making them, two in 10 minutes in this division will be punished; unless you play Newcastle.
He's a great keeper and as with all of our players they need support not lambasting.
He's our No.1 now and needs to stay there.
Agreed, still a very good keeper indeed, but I do agree with John E, in that it was THE very worst thing that could possibly happen in our first game back at home. It took the wind out of everbody's sails completely.
I don't think he should be dropped after one bad mistake, but you could argue that Steer has been dropped after not having done anything wrong.
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It was a stupid error. I very much doubt it will be repeated.
We really can't afford to keep making them, two in 10 minutes in this division will be punished; unless you play Newcastle.
He's a great keeper and as with all of our players they need support not lambasting.
He's our No.1 now and needs to stay there.
Agreed, still a very good keeper indeed, but I do agree with John E, in that it was THE very worst thing that could possibly happen in our first game back at home. It took the wind out of everbody's sails completely.
I don't think he should be dropped after one bad mistake, but you could argue that Steer has been dropped after not having done anything wrong.
It was an absolute clanger, and did have an effect. However, I think it only had the effect it did because of what happened just a few minutes later.
Any other player making the same challenge elsewhere on the pitch and it would have been a nothing thing. I just don't think with his experience he'll do it again.
Steer hasn't done anything wrong, but then he's just not as good.
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I think the player was quite crafty, he lured that foul out of him and Heaton should have known better. I think he got lost in the moment of his home debut in front of the Holte and just wanting to make sure he didn't look a dick... ah well!
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As one of the loudest advocates for signing Heaton in preseason over Butland... It was a shocking error, the likes of which I've not seen him commit before. But he was excellent v Spurs. I'm hoping it was one of those "once in career" goalkeeping howlers. Expect more from him and frankly the whole defence tonight. They shouldn't have been able to carve us open so quickly, we were caught out by a clever pass even if their lad was off on a journey to nowhere when fouled.
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I see Buckland was dropped today after conceding 10 goals from just 14 on target against him this season. Could be his head is all over the place or he is not as good as everybody thinks he is, either way it looks like we made the right move
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I see Buckland was dropped today after conceding 10 goals from just 14 on target against him this season. Could be his head is all over the place or he is not as good as everybody thinks he is, either way it looks like we made the right move
And they conceded 3 goals anyway.
Suggests it might not be entirely Butland's fault.
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Butland is class, but this is about Heaton who was fantastic all round last night
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Heaton > Butland
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Tom's in the England squad as expected, when was the time we had two players in the set up? I'm guessing the Young/Milner/Barry days.
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I'd imagine it was 2010/11 with Downing and Young, possibly Bent as well. Can't remember who got caps in what games.
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I'd imagine it was 2010/11 with Downing and Young, possibly Bent as well. Can't remember who got caps in what games.
Yup, June 2011. A 2-2 with Switzerland. Young Downing and Bent.
http://englandfootballonline.com/Seas2010-20/2010-11/M0897Sui2011.html
Milner had already completed his move to Man City.
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We had 3 (THREE!) in the 2010 World Cup Squad.
Name them without looking them up!
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Milner, Warnock, Heskey?
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Yup! Well done (assuming you didn't cheat)!
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What a save Heaton pulled off in the second half yesterday. My brain was just processing that it was definitely going in the top corner when a magnificent white glove appeared and saved the day.
Another match where that man showed his worth and he’s definitely one of the best bits of business we’ve done in recent years.
Keep it up.
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Yes, it was a cracking save alright. He's an excellent shot stopper.
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What a save Heaton pulled off in the second half yesterday. My brain was just processing that it was definitely going in the top corner when a magnificent white glove appeared and saved the day.
Another match where that man showed his worth and he’s definitely one of the best bits of business we’ve done in recent years.
Keep it up.
That save reminded me of Mark Bosnich at Sunderland in that League Cup tie a million years ago.
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You love to see it.
https://twitter.com/villareport/status/1168638688252895232
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Is he really any better than Steer, seems stuck on his line?
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Is he really any better than Steer, seems stuck on his line?
😂 couldn’t have been further from his line when he was lobbed
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Is he really any better than Steer, seems stuck on his line?
Didn't fancy the collision with Wood was my take on it. Burnley tried to crowd him with every set piece so they must see it as a weakness in his game . Steer used rarely leave his line either, mind.
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He wasn’t stuck on his line when he broke up an attack where we had pushed up and they would have been through if he hadn’t anticipated it.
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Is he really any better than Steer, seems stuck on his line?
Is this a serious question? ::)
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I think Heaton appears suspect at times with the ball at his feet. He nearly came a cropper when closed down in the second half by Woods I think, and there was a similar moment v Bournemouth. He doesn’t yet dominate the box in the way I expected.
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He should have come and got that ball for their second.
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I've been a bit disappointed with him so far. Decent shot stopper but has dropped a couple of clangers and I also think he should have been out and claiming that cross for Wood's goal, it was right into the six yard box.
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He's clearly got all the attributes you need a modern keeper to have, but I'm still waiting for a match winning performance from him. He's got the best, most settled central defensive pairing we've had in years in front of him, so hopefully we'll start to see a lot more from him soon.
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Jury's out for me on Heaton. I've not seen anything yet that places him ahead of Steer. Costly vs Bournemouth and lacking in focus vs Burnley especially for 2nd goal, where he should have either come for the ball or organised his defence better.
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Brain fart for penalty against Bournemouth aside I cannot see what he has done wrong
If being super critical maybe the lining up of the wall versus the Arse could be added
I'm more worried about Mings and Engels to be honest - from looking rock solid we are letting in some really soft goals
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I have huge time for Heaton and was vocal about wanting him over Butland but by the same token I thought not giving Steer a chance was a bit of a shame.
I think the message to Heaton now should be "Jed is pushing for a start based on his cup performances, so step it up".
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Brain fart for penalty against Bournemouth aside I cannot see what he has done wrong
If being super critical maybe the lining up of the wall versus the Arse could be added
I'm more worried about Mings and Engels to be honest - from looking rock solid we are letting in some really soft goals
He hasn't done anything wrong as such, he's just not saving the shots you'd hope he'd save. And he should have come for the ball against Burnley.
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Jury's out for me on Heaton. I've not seen anything yet that places him ahead of Steer. Costly vs Bournemouth and lacking in focus vs Burnley especially for 2nd goal, where he should have either come for the ball or organised his defence better.
Disribution 100 better, saved plenty, organises defence better - in short a much better keeper
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Jury's out for me on Heaton. I've not seen anything yet that places him ahead of Steer. Costly vs Bournemouth and lacking in focus vs Burnley especially for 2nd goal, where he should have either come for the ball or organised his defence better.
Disribution 100 better, saved plenty, organises defence better - in short a much better keeper
Completely agree.
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Don't agree re distribution.
Heaton kicked the ball straight out of play on the half way so many times vs spurs that I think it was a significant factor on us losing.
He's repeated this trick fro.time to time in the other games as well.
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Yeah I'm not sure how anyone can say his distribution is better, it isn't - it's his major weakness.
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Yeah I'm not sure how anyone can say his distribution is better, it isn't - it's his major weakness.
Actually I think this is one of Jed Steer's biggest issues and most of his goalkicks went out for a throw-in on the left hand side last season. Heaton has done that a few times himself, but is an improvement.
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Pulled out of the England squad with an injury.
Hopefully nothing too serious.
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Pulled out of the England squad with an injury.
Hopefully nothing too serious.
Reportedly the same injury he picked up in the Norwich game. As he completed the 90 there I wouldn't be too concerned. He may as well come back to us as he was likely to be 2/3rd choice anyway, not worth a risk.
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Hope the injury To Heaton picked up today isn't a bad one.
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ACL ? Possible from how his knee went.
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Get well soon Tom.
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Out of the 3 main injuries, this is by far the worst for me. This bloke has been brilliant for us.
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I'd also be concerned about the effects of such an injury given his age. Such a shame, a really solid keeper.
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Out of the 3 main injuries, this is by far the worst for me. This bloke has been brilliant for us.
I think it'll potentially have the biggest effect on our season.
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Have to agree. Tom has been superb for us. Losing him is going to be massive.
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If his injury is anything like as bad as Wesley's, I think we're in trouble.
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If Our Cousin Vinnie is right, I'd expect Tom to be out for the season, maybe longer.
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I think they are still awaiting confirmation of the damage so fingers crossed. He is a very good goalkeeper, certainly the best we have in our squad.
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Our key players are Jack, McGinn, Mings, Heaton and Wesley.
Why is it always, always, our key players that get the worst injuries?
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Our key players are Jack, McGinn, Mings, Heaton and Wesley.
Why is it always, always, our key players that get the worst injuries?
Wes has only been key because we have no one else.
Not having Heaton is a huge blow because he has the confidence of the defense.
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Our key players are Jack, McGinn, Mings, Heaton and Wesley.
Why is it always, always, our key players that get the worst injuries?
Because we're Aston Villa.
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Shite / unimportant players never get injured.
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Shite / unimportant players never get injured.
As they never play.
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Shite / unimportant players never get injured.
Lansbury would beg to differ!
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I know every fucker believes their team gets bad luck etc but when was the last time another team lost 2 players in the same game for a big chunk of the season?
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https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1213022253400707072
The Club can confirm that Tom Heaton and Wesley both suffered significant knee ligament damage during our match with Burnley on Wednesday and will now miss the rest of the season.
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Unbelievable. We really have shit luck.
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Shiiit
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Gutted.
Obviously gutted for us but for him too. That could be a career-ender. He's had on-going fitness issues and niggly injuries all season.
We will miss him massively, you see him out talking to the defence frequently. He'll miss the Euros too and you'd imagine that's the end of his international career.
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unbelievably awful luck. Get well soon Tom.
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Gutted for Tom and us. He’s been excellent for us so far, and it’s going to be a tough call for one of the current replacements to even come close to the same levels. We have urgent transfer requirements in midfield and up front so I doubt we’ll see another keeper come in unless it’s a loan with Kalinic being sold.
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Brilliant. We have four very good players in this squad and two of them are done for the season.
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We are all our injuries bloody lengthy ones. Its really frustrating
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Brilliant. We have four very good players in this squad and two of them are done for the season.
Not quite as SJM due back in March
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Brilliant. We have four very good players in this squad and two of them are done for the season.
Not quite as SJM due back in March
Villa "back in March" = might see you in May.
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So much positivity around the Burnley result, performance, Delano showing he can be flexible and we get this happen. Absolutely shattered for both of them.
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Absolutely dreadful news about Tom & Wesley. Why does every glimpse of the silver lining get rapidly consumed by a dirty-great dark cloud?! I hope & pray we've got a cunning plan: otherwise these bloody injuries will do for us this season...
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Absolutely dreadful news about Tom & Wesley. Why does every glimpse of the silver lining get rapidly consumed by a dirty-great dark cloud?! I hope & pray we've got a cunning plan: otherwise these bloody injuries will do for us this season...
If we had the 2-3 points extra from, for example Palace away, West Ham at home and Arsenal away and currently sat on 23-24 points it would all look much more achievable.
Nyland and Steer may well see us through but we simply must sign two forwards.
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I'm gutted for him and for us but people saying it's potentially a career-ender are getting ahead of themselves. He's only 33 and keepers generally go on for a lot longer.
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He's 34 in April and facing up to a year out, it's not a massive leap to think it could be a big probem for him.
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He's 34 in April and facing up to a year out, it's not a massive leap to think it could be a big probem for him.
Keepers go on until they're 40.
He's had one other serious injury, which was his shoulder a couple of years ago, so there's no history of him having related issues.
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No one is saying that's his career over, but it's not a leap to think at his age and the seriousness of the injury that there's the potential for it to be a big problem. Plus he's a Villa player, so we expect the worst with how it goes for us injury wise.
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Another bad injury from an important player for us I hope Tom a speedy recovery.
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Best wishes on a full recovery to one of the games nice guys.
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Gutted about Tom, he's a quality keeper and losing him will definitely weaken the team.
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Gutted about Tom, he's a quality keeper and losing him will definitely weaken the team.
Yep, we're lucky we have decent back up but they're plainly not as good as Heaton.
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We'd be rock bottom had it not been for Heaton. Gutted about this. Let's hope Nyland can step up.
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He can. And Jed is only 3 weeks away.
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He can. And Jed is only 3 weeks away.
That is good news. With Heaton out Steer is our best keeper.
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He can. And Jed is only 3 weeks away.
That is good news. With Heaton out Steer is our best keeper.
I wouldn't be so sure about that. Nyland looks impressive so far this season and seems well up for it.
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Let's hope Steer/Nyland can step up but on paper this looks a disaster, on form one of the best keepers in the country and now out for the season.
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It’s now Nyland’s job to lose. None of us could have imagined that a year ago when he first arrived. But so far in the little we’ve seen of him he’s looked a lot more confident and he clearly has outstanding shot stopping ability. And when you look at someone Gollini who was written off so quickly yet is now playing CL football, shows how quickly things change. It would be great to see if Nyland now takes his chance. Steer when back will push him all the way. Good luck to him.
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It’s now Nyland’s job to lose. None of us could have imagined that a year ago when he first arrived. But so far in the little we’ve seen of him he’s looked a lot more confident and he clearly has outstanding shot stopping ability. And when you look at someone Gollini who was written off so quickly yet is now playing CL football, shows how quickly things change. It would be great to see if Nyland now takes his chance. Steer when back will push him all the way. Good luck to him.
Indeed. Good luck to both.
Heaton is a top quality keeper and I advocated for him over Butland when first rumoured in the summer and was delighted we brought him in.
But, sadly, the injury is what it is, and we can't even blame an opposition player as in the case of the Wesley rupture. It's just one of those freak things that happens. So much has gone wrong lately but we really can't afford to dwell on it.
I'm hoping our outfield recruitment in January really strengthens us. I reckon the rest of the season is now 90% down to confidence amongst the players. Smith and his staff must do everything they can to keep morale up and keep heads from dropping, because as we've seen that's when we start to freefall.
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Great to see this man back in full training again.
Must say that's a big lift for us, provided he's more or less 100% for the start of the season.
Perhaps Dean will ease him back in - either way, a great sight to see.
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agreed...Reina was OK, but I would of preferred Tom in goals.
UTV
The Doc
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Massive boost to have Tom back. I remember him saying a while back he was a bit ahead of schedule but they were being really careful with him.
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Relieved to see this, as with several keepers linked during the window I was starting to worry the injury was worse than we thought.
If Heaton is fit then we should stick with what we have unless we manage to sell Nyland and Kalinic, and even then I would look at Reina for a year rather than an expensive signing.
We need the money for strikers, wingers and a leftback.
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feels like it’s a new signing
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feels like it’s a new signing
You are Doug Ellis and I claim my 50p.
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feels like it’s a new signing
You are Doug Ellis and I claim my 50p.
his spirit lives on
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Great news, I think it's fairly certain, if he hadn't got injured, we would not have been fighting a relegation battle.
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He must be fit if he's throwing himself around in training. Really good news for us.
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Any other interesting news about those reporting for training? Is the new boy wonder Ramsey involved ?
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Relieved to see this, as with several keepers linked during the window I was starting to worry the injury was worse than we thought.
If Heaton is fit then we should stick with what we have unless we manage to sell Nyland and Kalinic, and even then I would look at Reina for a year rather than an expensive signing.
We need the money for strikers, wingers and a leftback.
Good shout 👍
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Interesting to hear Tom himself saying he won’t be ready for the start of the season.
So are we going with Steer or Nyland up until October?
Jed for me.
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Pepe Reina signed a two year deal with Lazio
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Interesting to hear Tom himself saying he won’t be ready for the start of the season.
So are we going with Steer or Nyland up until October?
Jed for me.
Jed all the way.
FFS we have shit luck with injuries don't we?
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I thank Reina for his contribution in keeping us up. He seemed happy at the club and that photo of the Konsa/Mings winner v Watford with a blurred Reina in the background saluting the North stand in celebratory fashion will live long in the memory. However, his strong pro hard right politics makes me glad he’s not going to be with us anymore. Lazio/Reina is a perfect fit.
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I thank Reina for his contribution in keeping us up. He seemed happy at the club and that photo of the Konsa/Mings winner v Watford with a blurred Reina in the background saluting the North stand in celebratory fashion will live long in the memory. However, his strong pro hard right politics makes me glad he’s not going to be with us anymore. Lazio/Reina is a perfect fit.
I must have been living in a cave because I never knew anything about his 'hard right leanings'
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He supported an anti-lockdown demo organised by the far-right Voxa party, which is strange as he suffered quite badly from Covid himself.
Out of Nyland and Steer I'd go for Steer if that's the choice.
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I would keep Reina In the squad.
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I would keep Reina In the squad.
Will be difficult as he's signed a 2 year contract at Lazio.
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I would offer Stoke £5m for Butland and let Cutler do his thing. Young enough to get back to being a top keeper and would give us a very decent 1 and 2.
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I would offer Stoke £5m for Butland and let Cutler do his thing. Young enough to get back to being a top keeper and would give us a very decent 1 and 2.
This isn't a bad idea, keep Steer too; sell Nyland and Kalinic.
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Sounds like a good idea, but I'd be worried starting the season with Butland given what's happened to him in the last 2 seasons. If Steer is fit I'd rather give him a run until Heaton is back. Id be ok starting the season with Steer and Nyland in the knowledge that Heaton is nearly back to full fitness and then spend the 5-10m money securing the attacking targets we really want.
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I applaud his perseverance, but I never want to see Nyland in a Villa team again. Too many mistakes, too many times where he has looked ok and then done something inexplicable. Exceptional shot stopper, but he just gives me nightmares.
Steer I am ok with, but he has been out a long time too. Did anyone see Kalinic at Toulouse, was he any good there?
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I'm not ok with Steer, not because he's a poor keeper but because I don't trust him to last for a run of games. other than the run of games in the promotion season I don't think he's ever been fit enough to be relied on as a regular, he just seems to pick up niggly injuries any time it would be useful to us for him to play a handful of games (with the one obvious exception as mentioned).
I'd honestly not be upset to see all the keepers except Heaton moved on, a new 2nd choice in and then give Sinisalo a chance to be 3rd choice. I'd have been happy for Sarkic to be the 2nd choice but after years of getting nowhere near the first team I'm not surprised he decided to move on.
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I'm not ok with Steer, not because he's a poor keeper but because I don't trust him to last for a run of games.
I'm not only 'Fine' with giving Steer a chance but I hope he gets to put pressure on Heaton to justify his return. We need high quality competition for first team places not just warm bodies available. Steer has proven himself perfectly capable of keeping for us and in fact gives confidence to the defense, is a good shot-stopper and quality member of the team. We need him for 5 games or so to start the season, with Nyland or Kalinic as reserve if injury hits. I hope Steer plays them all and pushes Heaton to win his place back. He's a very capable keeper who would be automatic first choice at quite a few other PL teams; we're lucky to have him and have him be so calm about being second choice.
Obviously I'd be happy if Heaton comes back raring to go, at his best and grabs the first team place back but in the meantime I welcome seeing Steer display his skills because he is good.
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I applaud his perseverance, but I never want to see Nyland in a Villa team again. Too many mistakes, too many times where he has looked ok and then done something inexplicable. Exceptional shot stopper, but he just gives me nightmares.
Nyland had his moments of excellence (Leicester SF) but most of the time he was very frightening.
Also, not his fault, but he always had that facial expression that looked like he thought he was about to drop a clanger. It's the one he has on his face as he carried the ball over the line against Sheffield United. That one.
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Yes, the expression that says " I can catch this. No, I'll punch it. No, I can catch it. No, I'll punch it....phew, I caught it...fucking hell Davis where did you come from..I got away with that I think?" that sort of face?
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Yes, the expression that says " I can catch this. No, I'll punch it. No, I can catch it. No, I'll punch it....phew, I caught it...fucking hell Davis where did you come from..I got away with that I think?" that sort of face?
I think that's the face. I wouldn't want to see the inside of his underpants either. (at any time but in particular, for this reference, at the end of a match).
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I would offer Stoke £5m for Butland and let Cutler do his thing. Young enough to get back to being a top keeper and would give us a very decent 1 and 2.
Aye. I didn't want Butland over Heaton last year (and definitely not at the reported £20 million).
But £5-6 million with the rest built up on appearances could work.
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I think you have to look at what message it sends to younger players coming through the club if you'd rather spend money on a non-performing Championship keeper then give them a shot. I'm happy with Heaton/Steer as the first 2 choices. In honesty, I'm probably ok with Nyland as a third choice too, although I'd have preferred Sarkic. He's alright as an emergency backup sub keeper, even if I'd rather not see him actually playing ever.
I just don't see that spending money in that position is a particularly good use of funds right now. We have an England international and a keeper who would probably be first choice in at least a couple of PL sides. For me, there's half a dozen other positions that are more pressing.
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I think you have to look at what message it sends to younger players coming through the club if you'd rather spend money on a non-performing Championship keeper then give them a shot. I'm happy with Heaton/Steer as the first 2 choices. In honesty, I'm probably ok with Nyland as a third choice too, although I'd have preferred Sarkic. He's alright as an emergency backup sub keeper, even if I'd rather not see him actually playing ever.
I just don't see that spending money in that position is a particularly good use of funds right now. We have an England international and a keeper who would probably be first choice in at least a couple of PL sides. For me, there's half a dozen other positions that are more pressing.
When you go to the supermarket knowing you need vegetables, chips, coffee, beer and bog roll as part of your shopping, do you walk past all of them and go to the beer first because that's what you've completely run out of? Or do you pick up all the things you need knowing you can get the beer when it's time?
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I think you have to look at what message it sends to younger players coming through the club if you'd rather spend money on a non-performing Championship keeper then give them a shot. I'm happy with Heaton/Steer as the first 2 choices. In honesty, I'm probably ok with Nyland as a third choice too, although I'd have preferred Sarkic. He's alright as an emergency backup sub keeper, even if I'd rather not see him actually playing ever.
I just don't see that spending money in that position is a particularly good use of funds right now. We have an England international and a keeper who would probably be first choice in at least a couple of PL sides. For me, there's half a dozen other positions that are more pressing.
When you go to the supermarket knowing you need vegetables, chips, coffee, beer and bog roll as part of your shopping, do you walk past all of them and go to the beer first because that's what you've completely run out of? Or do you pick up all the things you need knowing you can get the beer when it's time?
I'd liken it more to - you've got £10 and you need vegetables, chips, bog roll, coffee and beer. Do you buy some more cod even though there's already some in the freezer?
We've not got an absolutely limitless budget, I'd rather bring in 3 or 4 quality players in our weakest areas than repeat last season again. It was necessary to buy a dozen players filling practically every position then - it isn't now.
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I think you have to look at what message it sends to younger players coming through the club if you'd rather spend money on a non-performing Championship keeper then give them a shot. I'm happy with Heaton/Steer as the first 2 choices. In honesty, I'm probably ok with Nyland as a third choice too, although I'd have preferred Sarkic. He's alright as an emergency backup sub keeper, even if I'd rather not see him actually playing ever.
I just don't see that spending money in that position is a particularly good use of funds right now. We have an England international and a keeper who would probably be first choice in at least a couple of PL sides. For me, there's half a dozen other positions that are more pressing.
When you go to the supermarket knowing you need vegetables, chips, coffee, beer and bog roll as part of your shopping, do you walk past all of them and go to the beer first because that's what you've completely run out of? Or do you pick up all the things you need knowing you can get the beer when it's time?
I'd liken it more to - you've got £10 and you need vegetables, chips, bog roll, coffee and beer. Do you buy some more cod even though there's already some in the freezer?
We've not got an absolutely limitless budget, I'd rather bring in 3 or 4 quality players in our weakest areas than repeat last season again. It was necessary to buy a dozen players filling practically every position then - it isn't now.
Yes if the cod isn't ready. Steer is very injury prone, he's had 3 or 4 at Villa and probably needs to go and play somewhere, Nyland is crapping himself at the thought of playing already, so needs to go. Kalinic just didn't look remotely good enough (although hardly given the chance in fairness), so while there is a lovely bit of cod in freezer, it's not ready yet, and ask the other bits you thought were cod are actually cheap and nasty whitefish that just need binning. If take that lad from Arsenal if he wants out because Leno is back soon.
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We need Steer to survive 3 or 4 games then Heaton is back. We then have a good No1 & No2. Of course there's a chnace they'll both get injured at the same time, but that's the same in all positions really.
When we have an outstanding keeper nearing fitness and a very capable understudy, I just don't see it as best use of our funds.
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We need Steer to survive 3 or 4 games then Heaton is back. We then have a good No1 & No2. Of course there's a chnace they'll both get injured at the same time, but that's the same in all positions really.
When we have an outstanding keeper nearing fitness and a very capable understudy, I just don't see it as best use of our funds.
100% agree.
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I would offer Stoke £5m for Butland and let Cutler do his thing. Young enough to get back to being a top keeper and would give us a very decent 1 and 2.
If it was true we had a £15m offer rejected by Stoke last summer you'd think we'd still be interested in Butland only twelve months down the line at a cut price deal.
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We've been interested in Henderson too.
I think we're all agreed that Kalinic and Nyland can go. Steer is ok but for some reason he's never been fancied by anyone. Sarkic has gone.
Having a decent keeper is really important. Most decent teams have 2 keepers they have the confidence to give a run of games to. If Heaton got injured again, would you want Steer to be our number one for 3 months?
Butland would be an upgrade on everyone bar Heaton, and for a while he was considered as being better. Perhaps he can be again.
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Yes, I'd be happy with Steer covering for Heaton if he picks up another injury.
Possibly Butland be better, but would he want to come and compete with Heaton?
I'd just rather us spend the £10m we may spend on a keeper ensuring we get our main targets rather than missing them over a few million here and there like we seemed to last season. (By all accounts we chose not to pay £10m for Watkins and c £20m for Benrahma / Maupay hoping that Brentford would cave in and they didn't)
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Yes, I'd be happy with Steer covering for Heaton if he picks up another injury.
Possibly Butland be better, but would he want to come and compete with Heaton?
I'd just rather us spend the £10m we may spend on a keeper ensuring we get our main targets rather than missing them over a few million here and there like we seemed to last season. (By all accounts we chose not to pay £10m for Watkins and c £20m for Benrahma / Maupay hoping that Brentford would cave in and they didn't)
Butland would be better. And competition is key in the Premier League if you want to improve. Heaton won't be around forever, I'm sure Butland would be happy in the knowledge of getting Cup games with the view to a long-term place.
I think we chose not to spend the extra last season, this we have more money available to us (and givne the Man City FFP ruling, potentially our owners have more up their sleeve).
For the sake of a few million quid we should strengthen where we can. The defence needs faith in whoever is behind them and in the top division you need three keepers. I suspect Nyland and Kalinic will move on (or maybe Steer is lining up a move).
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You make a good case Drummond. IF he's prepared to come and IF we can get him for c£5m then yes you're right it would be a useful move.
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I think Cutler would have his hands full with Butland.
He comes over as pretty fragile to me.
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I think Cutler would have his hands full with Butland.
He comes over as pretty fragile to me.
I agree, I think that when a keeper's confidence goes, it's a massive uphill struggle to get it back. We saw it with Enks and Carson, and I'd say lack of belief is the main issue stopping Nyland being a really top keeper. Confidence and the ability to command the back line are really important attributes for keepers. Despite his lack of athleticism, these traits made the defence look better with Reina in goal after the restart.
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I think Cutler would have his hands full with Butland.
He comes over as pretty fragile to me.
I agree, I think that when a keeper's confidence goes, it's a massive uphill struggle to get it back. We saw it with Enks and Carson, and I'd say lack of belief is the main issue stopping Nyland being a really top keeper. Confidence and the ability to command the back line are really important attributes for keepers. Despite his lack of athleticism, these traits made the defence look better with Reina in goal after the restart.
Even playing Sunday League, having a vocal and confident lad behind me when playing centre half made a massive difference, as opposed to looking round and seeing someone shaking like a shitting Alsation.
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Maybe getting Butland in as an eventual replacement for Heaton makes sense. Have a good crack at rebuilding his confidence.
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Maybe getting Butland in as an eventual replacement for Heaton makes sense. Have a good crack at rebuilding his confidence.
We did a good job with James
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I think Cutler would have his hands full with Butland.
He comes over as pretty fragile to me.
I agree, I think that when a keeper's confidence goes, it's a massive uphill struggle to get it back. We saw it with Enks and Carson, and I'd say lack of belief is the main issue stopping Nyland being a really top keeper. Confidence and the ability to command the back line are really important attributes for keepers. Despite his lack of athleticism, these traits made the defence look better with Reina in goal after the restart.
Even playing Sunday League, having a vocal and confident lad behind me when playing centre half made a massive difference, as opposed to looking round and seeing someone shaking like a shitting Alsation.
Aye, I worked this out as fill in/semi regular goalie, shouting lots and commanding the game from the back made a significant contribution. I should add beyond 5-aside I’m talking about London Buddhist Centre FC annual tournaments. And that I know more about Ivor Cutler than Neil Cutler.
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Butland has turned into what Guzan was for the last 18 months here, worn down by poor defences infront and just a walking mistake now. Even at his peak I didn't think he was any better than say Ben Foster. If people don't think Heaton's distribution is up to much then neither is Butland's.
In any case Heaton back in full training and still three weeks to first game must mean he's got more than a decent chance of making the first or second match. Not like he's got to run all over the pitch so it's a different recovery to an outfield player. If he can't make it I'd just start Steer in the opening couple of games.
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I applaud his perseverance, but I never want to see Nyland in a Villa team again. Too many mistakes, too many times where he has looked ok and then done something inexplicable. Exceptional shot stopper, but he just gives me nightmares.
Nyland had his moments of excellence (Leicester SF) but most of the time he was very frightening.
Also, not his fault, but he always had that facial expression that looked like he thought he was about to drop a clanger. It's the one he has on his face as he carried the ball over the line against Sheffield United. That one.
Haha that has really made me chuckle. He had that scared shitless face on several occasions. Against the Albion when Rodriguez handled. All of the outfield players are chasing down the officials. He’s got that ‘oh fcuk I’m in trouble here’ look.
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Butland has turned into what Guzan was for the last 18 months here, worn down by poor defences infront and just a walking mistake now. Even at his peak I didn't think he was any better than say Ben Foster. If people don't think Heaton's distribution is up to much then neither is Butland's.
In any case Heaton back in full training and still three weeks to first game must mean he's got more than a decent chance of making the first or second match. Not like he's got to run all over the pitch so it's a different recovery to an outfield player. If he can't make it I'd just start Steer in the opening couple of games.
In interviews they've said Heaton wont quite be ready - we're prob looking at 3-4 games without him. I agree with you - I'd go with Steer for those.
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Butland had the necessary. He just needs a bit of a confidence build. Our coaches are good and would give him that. Heaton is a proper team/squad/club man so he'd provide support too.
I'd rather have Butland than Nyland.
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Butland had the necessary. He just needs a bit of a confidence build. Our coaches are good and would give him that. Heaton is a proper team/squad/club man so he'd provide support too.
I'd rather have Butland than Nyland.
They haven't managed to build Nyland's confidence though.
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Butland had the necessary. He just needs a bit of a confidence build. Our coaches are good and would give him that. Heaton is a proper team/squad/club man so he'd provide support too.
I'd rather have Butland than Nyland.
They haven't managed to build Nyland's confidence though.
That's because he knows he's not good enough. Butland, however, can be.
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Butland had the necessary. He just needs a bit of a confidence build. Our coaches are good and would give him that. Heaton is a proper team/squad/club man so he'd provide support too.
I'd rather have Butland than Nyland.
They haven't managed to build Nyland's confidence though.
They made him passable in the premier league. If you had told me any coach could do that last season with him I would have laughed for an hour straight.
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Butland had the necessary. He just needs a bit of a confidence build. Our coaches are good and would give him that. Heaton is a proper team/squad/club man so he'd provide support too.
I'd rather have Butland than Nyland.
They haven't managed to build Nyland's confidence though.
A number of decent keepers have failed to bounce back after a bad spell of form and loss of confidence. I think Butland is a keeper on his way down even if he is only 27. Dave Beasant, Chris Woods, Scott Carson, David James, Rob Green were all England Internationals who quickly went from heroes to zeroes.
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Butland had the necessary. He just needs a bit of a confidence build. Our coaches are good and would give him that. Heaton is a proper team/squad/club man so he'd provide support too.
I'd rather have Butland than Nyland.
They haven't managed to build Nyland's confidence though.
They made him passable in the premier league. If you had told me any coach could do that last season with him I would have laughed for an hour straight.
Absolutely this.
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Butland had the necessary. He just needs a bit of a confidence build. Our coaches are good and would give him that. Heaton is a proper team/squad/club man so he'd provide support too.
I'd rather have Butland than Nyland.
They haven't managed to build Nyland's confidence though.
That's because he knows he's not good enough. Butland, however, can be.
Did you see some of the colossal howlers Butland made in the league lower down? Nyland, Dino Zoff he ain’t but he’s never been that bad.
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So if we take Tom as number 1 but he won't be available till after the October international period then who starts in nets for Villa at season kick off??
I would choose Steer if he's fit?
Unlucky with injury, guy needs a break !
Any news there on Jed?
Tend to agree Nyland as back up but he's the only one we know is fit and played in lockdown Covid 19 match circumstances.
I certainly be in favor of him than signing Butland who seems unreliable.
Nyland has proved shakey at times and don't know if I can stand seeing him deal with Sheff utd free kicks and corners again so has to be Steer.
If not a solid new keeper /loan signing of experience like Claudia Bravo available on a free.
The further concern is how fit Heston is and it he can last and survive or if he's now past it as a number one.
He's solid when fit but that was past he's had quite a lot of time out for last few years now.
So maybe villa will even bring in a new GK??
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Heston Blumenthal won't make a keeper - too creative in a wacky way.
Here's a thought: I wonder if we'll play Nyland against SheffU (given the non-goal during the mini-league)? - perhaps if we do, Deano will instruct him to throw the ball into our net, as a gesture of good sportsmanship?
Just a thought :-)
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Heston Blumenthal won't make a keeper - too creative in a wacky way.
Here's a thought: I wonder if we'll play Nyland against SheffU (given the non-goal during the mini-league)? - perhaps if we do, Deano will instruct him to throw the ball into our net, as a gesture of good sportsmanship?
Just a thought :-)
That would at least placate all the self righteous Leeds fans who think that’s pretty much what we should have done at the time!
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In goal today for the under-23s against his old club Burnley. Welcome back.
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Good to see him back in action. Really feel for him as he was doing well for us, and has now returned to see that even when fit he'll be very much number two behind Martinez.
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It showed real ambition to originally pay for Tom, i think £8mil for a 33 year old, then see him crocked and pay a further £20m for Martinez knowing full well that the wages paid out to Steer and Kalinic would be pretty much wasted when Tom was fit again.
Would have been easier to persevere with what we had and save the pennies
I think these guys are deadly serious.
Who else has a good GK team as us?
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we need rid of one of thenm in Januaruy, especially if the wages couldf go on another forward, as I'm not sure Wesley is going to feature much this season.
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Who else has a good GK team as us?
Arsenal used to...
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we need rid of one of thenm in Januaruy, especially if the wages couldf go on another forward, as I'm not sure Wesley is going to feature much this season.
I’m sure ,I’ve recently seen a film on instagram ofWesley running ,and kicking a ball which would suggest all things being well he will be back be the end of next month.
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then that would be great news!
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we need rid of one of thenm in Januaruy, especially if the wages couldf go on another forward, as I'm not sure Wesley is going to feature much this season.
I’m sure ,I’ve recently seen a film on instagram ofWesley running ,and kicking a ball which would suggest all things being well he will be back be the end of next month.
His latest video which I think was posted in the last week or two is of him training (at Bodymoor I think) with coaches, receiving the ball, running to training dummies, then shooting into small training nets. All promising, but he may still be a way off being involved with proper contact with other players, then building up actual match fitness, which is obviously when he'll be closer to playing an actual game. My completely wild guess is we'll see him in January at some point.
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I might have imagined this, but I think the ‘injury’ feature they did on C&B podcast, the injury stat nerd from Newcastle said likely Jan return for Wes- given the nature of the injury and there’s no immediate pressure (I.e a current injury to Watkins) for him to return.
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It would be good to have him involved at the end of December when there's more games on.
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Good to see that Tom Heaton got 90 minutes in last night for the U23s, would hope he's on the bench sooner rather than later.
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I'm glad Tom's back we have two outstanding goalkeepers now.
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Jesus. Enough.
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Have I missed something??
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Great to see him back
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Jesus. Enough.
What's wrong?
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Tom to return at Sheffield United on Wednesday night I wonder? DS might rest Emi due to a groin problem?
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It would be heartening to see Tom and Wes get a game before the season's end.
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Jesus. Enough.
What's wrong?
I've no idea what that was about. I'm guessing, perhaps it was wrong thread or something!
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Jesus. Enough.
What's wrong?
I've no idea what that was about. I'm guessing, perhaps it was wrong thread or something!
Never post on here whilst arguing with the wife.
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Jesus. Enough.
What's wrong?
I've no idea what that was about. I'm guessing, perhaps it was wrong thread or something!
Never post on here whilst arguing with the wife.
Indeed, though I suspect I'm always either arguing or preparing for the next one...
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Appears to be off to Man U. Good luck to him. He will get more games for them I imagine and suggests that one of their current keepers is off. Shame it didn’t work out in the end because he came to us with a superb reputation. But in a roundabout way as these things sometimes happen we massively upgraded with Emi and have Jed Steer as back up. Nothing wrong with that.
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Slightly surprised he's leaving our bench for another bench to be honest. Not so long ago he was in Enlgand contention.
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Slightly surprised he's leaving our bench for another bench to be honest. Not so long ago he was in Enlgand contention.
Possibly more money or a longer contract than the unexpired term at the Villa. Though most likely that he is the fact that he is from Chester and played for Burnley for 6 years before joining us, so I imagine it suits him to be closer to home.
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It's a shame he's going.
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Good luck to him. Didn’t work out here but that was purely down to injury misfortune.
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It's a shame he's going.
Agreed. I imagine he is a good influence around the place, though we have a great first choice and a decent back-up option, so it is good management to move him on and make funds available for other signings/upgrades.
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Slightly surprised he's leaving our bench for another bench to be honest. Not so long ago he was in Enlgand contention.
Possibly more money or a longer contract than the unexpired term at the Villa. Though most likely that he is the fact that he is from Chester and played for Burnley for 6 years before joining us, so I imagine it suits him to be closer to home.
He actually came through the MAn United youth ranks (has an FA Youth Cup winners medal from 2003 as it happens), so actually it's his career coming full circle.
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Is he out of contract? We paid Burnley 8 or 10m for a keeper on a two year deal.... madness. Since Given and until Emi, we've been cursed with goalies. They've either been a waste of money or not up to it.
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Man Utd will be playing more games than us so he'll get to play. And if you're going to sit on a bench, you had may as well do it where you started and collect a medal or two along the way.
Good luck to him, if it hadn't been for his injury, I suspect we wouldn't have bought Martinez.
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We haven't been great on Managers either. The compensation we've paid out nevermind the wages whilst they were here just this century must be enough to rebuild the North Stand and some.
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We haven't been great on Managers either. The compensation we've paid out nevermind the wages whilst they were here just this century must be enough to rebuild the North Stand and some.
Although I imagine that could be said at a lot of clubs. Chelsea, Spurs, Man City, Man U, Arsenal etc etc. The list is long of highly paid managers getting dumped and paid long after their departure. Shit, if you’ve ever employed Mourinho that must be very, very expensive.
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I was chuffed when we signed him as he was a clear upgrade on Nyand, shame he was out for so long with a bad injury but good luck to him. No doubt he will be getting a nice pay rise and signing on fee from his new club.
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Good luck Tom, you helped us on our journey and it won’t be forgotten
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Is he out of contract? We paid Burnley 8 or 10m for a keeper on a two year deal.... madness. Since Given and until Emi, we've been cursed with goalies. They've either been a waste of money or not up to it.
I think that's harsh on Heaton, he was pretty good for us, and a decent upgrade on the position for us. I think if he hadn't got injured in that curse Burnley game it's FAR less likely we'd have bought Emi, as he was doing perfectly well for us (not Emi's level, but few are).
His injury forced us to properly look around I think. I also think £8-£10m and a two-year contract for a 33-year-old England keeper joining a team that's just been promoted was quite reasonable. There was possibly an option for a third year based on various metrics, which have no doubt not been met.
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Can understand Dean/the club finally wanting to land a proven Prem keeper but Burnley saw us coming. Although, a four year deal with the same transfer fee would have meant us having to pay-off the rest of his contract now instead of nothing so I guess it could have been even more expensive.
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We had to do a lot of transfer business in the summer after promotion. We were losing loan players back to their parent clubs, some youngsters needed to be let go and older heads past their best like Alan Hutton had to be let go. In one summer we had to assemble pretty much a whole squad to give us a chance of staying up.
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Without the benefit of hindsight, bringing him in when we did made perfect sense. Wish him (but not them) well.
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Good luck Tom, wish you all the best.
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Keeper we needed at the time and did a solid job for us.
Interested what sort of role he has up there as he's far too good to just be number 3 and effectively be in semi retirement. If he'd stayed he'd have probably played the cup games for us next season.
Perhaps there was break clause in his deal if he wasn't first choice anymore. Obviously Emi is better in all departments but in fairness you could say that comparing him to most keepers in the league which shows how good he is.
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I reckon De Gea is done there so he will compete with Henderson. Unless they keep a hold of De Gea which would be nuts and sell Henderson.
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Good luck to him if he goes. Well good luck in that I hope he does well but that revolting team lose every week, if that's possible. He always gave his all for us and was a good influence on the defence before his unfortunate injury.
I'm happy with Jed as backup and cup goalkeeper. Especially as I feel a cup goalkeeper should always be good at saving penalties, and Steer has already proven himself in a shoot-out.
I'd sell or re-loan Kalinic (you'd forgotten about him, hadn't you?) and bring in an under-21 goalkeeper, or promote one from the youths if they think there's one good enough, so we free up two spaces in our 25 man squad.
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I reckon De Gea is done there so he will compete with Henderson. Unless they keep a hold of De Gea which would be nuts and sell Henderson.
They need someone to take De Gea's 350k wages, likes of Real Madrid wouldn't be interested any longer especially not after just diving out of the way of most of the penalties last night.
He's like the keeper version of Fernando Torres last few years.
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Kalinic is actually in Croatia squad so possible he might be playing v England (think he's their number 2).
I'd love to know the thought process that went into that signing as DS seemed to have had enough of him after about 5 games, subbed v West Brom at half time and hasn't played for us since.
Got visions of Suso finding a note about him after the failed work permit a few seasons before and deciding just to sign him for the laugh.
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Wasn't he a signing that Bruce had done before Smith got here and we were already committed so had to complete the deal?
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Heaton is an excellent keeper. Obviously happy to have Emi now but if it wasn't for the injury would have been more than hasppy with Tom for the next few seasons. Such bad luck and will always be 'what could have been'
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Best of luck.
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Wasn't he a signing that Bruce had done before Smith got here and we were already committed so had to complete the deal?
I’m not convinced he’d have agreed to a move to the Championship. He’s a fucking good goalie.
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Wasn't he a signing that Bruce had done before Smith got here and we were already committed so had to complete the deal?
I’m not convinced he’d have agreed to a move to the Championship. He’s a fucking good goalie.
Kalinic?! He's shocking! The fella can't/won't/doesn't jump.
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Wasn't he a signing that Bruce had done before Smith got here and we were already committed so had to complete the deal?
I’m not convinced he’d have agreed to a move to the Championship. He’s a fucking good goalie.
Kalinic?! He's shocking! The fella can't/won't/doesn't jump.
Is Percy talking about Heaton, must be.
You're right, Kalinic was utterly shite. I remember being excited by his signing, then watching almost open-mouthed at how bad he was when we got battered by Wigan.
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Wasn't he a signing that Bruce had done before Smith got here and we were already committed so had to complete the deal?
I’m not convinced he’d have agreed to a move to the Championship. He’s a fucking good goalie.
Kalinic?! He's shocking! The fella can't/won't/doesn't jump.
Is Percy talking about Heaton, must be.
You're right, Kalinic was utterly shite. I remember being excited by his signing, then watching almost open-mouthed at how bad he was when we got battered by Wigan.
Yes my bad. I thought they were on about Heaton. Assumed it from the thread title.
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Wasn't he a signing that Bruce had done before Smith got here and we were already committed so had to complete the deal?
I’m not convinced he’d have agreed to a move to the Championship. He’s a fucking good goalie.
Kalinic?! He's shocking! The fella can't/won't/doesn't jump.
Is Percy talking about Heaton, must be.
You're right, Kalinic was utterly shite. I remember being excited by his signing, then watching almost open-mouthed at how bad he was when we got battered by Wigan.
Yes my bad. I thought they were on about Heaton. Assumed it from the thread title.
The thread title, on here?!
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I reckon De Gea is done there so he will compete with Henderson. Unless they keep a hold of De Gea which would be nuts and sell Henderson.
Think DeGea is going if they can get someone to pay his wages even loan.
Good luck Tom thought he did well until the injury.
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was the right signing at the right time for us - the injury was a shame, but it's eventually meant we've ended up with a better keeper. He's still got a good couple of years at the top of his game, doubt he'll be anything more than a bench warmer at Man Utd - he could have been a number one at a mid-table club.
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Good deal for Newton
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Officially signed for Man Utd.
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Where's his hunger for the game of football? If he wants to stick in Lancs, help t'Rovers out at Ewood Park. He's turned into just another Scott Carson/Stuart Taylor playing one game every two years and I never thought he would.
£8m + 2 years wages on this toerag?! Suso out! He does look like Deano's little brother/nephew(?) so maybe we can pin the signing on him...
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No ambition it seems .Would rather be number 3 keeper at United than number two at Villa ,always a chance that Martinez could get injured so seems a strange decision but he did the same with Pope at Burnley
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might be because of his age a pay rise and a new contract is what he wants
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Very good goalkeeper
but now dead to me - onwards
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Very good goalkeeper
but now dead to me - onwards
Ha, was just going to post those words myself
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I could see him keeping the shirt if he gets a chance up there.
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I would wish him luck, but given who he's signed for, I'll give it a miss.
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Tom is good. Emi is great. Good luck though Tom. Quality keeper.
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He won't get a look in as first choice. He's not better than Henderson or De Gea but will be good to have in the dressing room and a pretty good standard to have as a back up too. I'd have liked for him to stick around but so be it.
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If FFP's still a thing, must be on good money for a #2 keeper so easy kill off the wage bill.
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He's a decent keeper but like Mings always has a mistake in him - Not sure why he has gone to Manure - surely a move to the likes of West Ham /Leeds where they have dodgy keepers would have been a better career move.
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Didn’t he start his career there? Maybe he wants to try and play a few games for them at the end his career.
Let’s be honest he’s got a better chance of forcing his way into the team there than with us.
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He's a decent keeper but like Mings always has a mistake in him - Not sure why he has gone to Manure - surely a move to the likes of West Ham /Leeds where they have dodgy keepers would have been a better career move.
Sounds like he has given up playing regularly tbh. He won’t play v often and just warm the bench on big money. Tops up his pension pot so you can’t blame him for that. Good luck to him
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Enjoy retirement
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Good luck Tom, unlucky with injury and Emi arriving, never did anything wrong in my book.