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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: cdbearsfan on July 25, 2019, 12:24:04 PM

Title: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 25, 2019, 12:24:04 PM
Sounds like he is signing. £11 million according to Sky.

There is only one word to sum up my feelings on the issue...

Tremendous.
Title: Marvellous Nakamba - Deal completed.
Post by: Villa75 on July 25, 2019, 12:24:39 PM
Welcome Marvellous!

Deal worth more than £11 million.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: Villan For Life on July 25, 2019, 12:25:47 PM
Welcome to the Villa
Title: Re: Marvellous Nakamba - Deal completed.
Post by: Diablo on July 25, 2019, 12:27:04 PM
Where is this confirmed?
Title: Re: Marvellous Nakamba - Deal completed.
Post by: Villa75 on July 25, 2019, 12:28:36 PM
Sky Sports, and now BREAKING NEWS on yellow ticker.
Title: Re: Marvellous Nakamba - Deal completed.
Post by: Villan For Life on July 25, 2019, 12:28:50 PM
Where is this confirmed?

It’s on the SSN yellow ticker thingy
Title: Re: Marvellous Nakamba - Deal completed.
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 25, 2019, 12:29:24 PM
https://twitter.com/skysportspl/status/1154349233560006657?s=12
Title: Re: Marvellous Nakamba - Deal completed.
Post by: Diablo on July 25, 2019, 12:29:50 PM
Sky Sports, and now BREAKING NEWS on yellow ticker.
Ah, cheers!
Title: Re: Marvellous Nakamba - Deal completed.
Post by: sid1964 on July 25, 2019, 12:29:58 PM
Wonder how many fans will have "Marvelous"  printed on the back of their new villa tops!
Title: Re: Marvellous Nakamba - Deal completed.
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 25, 2019, 12:30:54 PM
He looks like he has bags of energy and we are going to need that. Can’t expect SJM to run all season. He will need a break and this lad looks like he can do a lot of what McGinn does for us.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 25, 2019, 12:38:19 PM
Does this mean we are not pursuing Douglas?
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 25, 2019, 12:39:37 PM
Does this mean we are not pursuing Douglas?

I would have thought so, he is a holding midfielder isn't he ?
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: Ads on July 25, 2019, 12:46:40 PM
Fantastic signing.
Title: Re: Marvellous Nakamba - Deal completed.
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 25, 2019, 12:49:29 PM
Mods! Can we merge the two threads pretty please?
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: Edvard Remberg on July 25, 2019, 12:50:23 PM
So, I see he only played 18 games for Brugge last season - sure any good?

Or maybe he is backup for when Douglas Luiz is bought back to Man City, so we already have him lined up for next season.
Title: Re: Marvellous Nakamba - Deal completed.
Post by: Villa75 on July 25, 2019, 12:51:50 PM
Mods! Can we merge the two threads pretty please?

Sorry CD. Looks like you beat me by 35 seconds. Although I did 'break the news ' on the transfer thread. 😉
Title: Re: Marvellous Nakamba - Deal completed.
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 25, 2019, 12:53:46 PM
Mods! Can we merge the two threads pretty please?

Sorry CD. Looks like you beat me by 35 seconds. Although I did 'break the news ' on the transfer thread. 😉

That's where I nicked the idea to start a thread from 😁
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: Clampy on July 25, 2019, 12:56:50 PM
Things could be marvellous.. 
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: Ger Regan on July 25, 2019, 12:57:00 PM
Until officially announced we'll keep "Deal completed" or similar out of the thread title.
Title: Re: Marvellous Nakamba - Deal completed.
Post by: Villa75 on July 25, 2019, 12:58:04 PM
Mods! Can we merge the two threads pretty please?

Sorry CD. Looks like you beat me by 35 seconds. Although I did 'break the news ' on the transfer thread. 😉

That's where I nicked the idea to start a thread from 😁

Damn. Nearly started my first ever thread. I was just too slow. Story of my life, right there. 😂
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: dave shelley on July 25, 2019, 12:58:24 PM
So, I see he only played 18 games for Brugge last season - sure any good?

Or maybe he is backup for when Douglas Luiz is bought back to Man City, so we already have him lined up for next season.

Which would be my thinking.  This regime seem clued in to the way football operates.  There's more to forward thinking than just promoting kids.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: Border villan on July 25, 2019, 01:00:07 PM
Marvellous, stupendous (his cousin?).
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: Villa75 on July 25, 2019, 01:01:00 PM
As promised, it looks like we're building strength and quality competition for each and every position. I like it.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 25, 2019, 01:01:38 PM
Until officially announced we'll keep "Deal completed" or similar out of the thread title.

Is there some rule that we have to inform Sky Sports first as part of the PL deal? Seems they are almost always the first to break our transfers.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: London Villan on July 25, 2019, 01:02:26 PM
Instead of Luiz?
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: Risso on July 25, 2019, 01:08:35 PM
Things could be marvellous.. 

Fabulous!
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: chrisw1 on July 25, 2019, 01:09:05 PM
Does anyone know much about this guy?  Don't think I've seen any detailed assessments of his abilities?

He missed a lot of games last season, but maybe was injured at the start?
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: Risso on July 25, 2019, 01:09:31 PM
Instead of Luiz?

As well as, I would assume.  My optimismometer has just ratcheted up another couple of notches.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: West Derby Villan on July 25, 2019, 01:09:41 PM
Until officially announced we'll keep "Deal completed" or similar out of the thread title.

Is there some rule that we have to inform Sky Sports first as part of the PL deal? Seems they are almost always the first to break our transfers.

Ashley Preece
@PreeceObserver
beat them by a couple of minutes
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 25, 2019, 01:12:50 PM
Until officially announced we'll keep "Deal completed" or similar out of the thread title.

Is there some rule that we have to inform Sky Sports first as part of the PL deal? Seems they are almost always the first to break our transfers.

They don't do things like verify sources. Never wrong for long.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: TheMalandro on July 25, 2019, 01:13:59 PM
I'm running out of superlatives for this signing,  most marvellous.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: Axl Rose on July 25, 2019, 01:15:44 PM
He wasn't signed from Benfica or AC Milan, so I'm not interested. He must be shit. We're doing a Fulham. #levels.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 25, 2019, 01:16:22 PM
One would assume either Lansbury or Thor will be off if this one happens...
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: Edvard Remberg on July 25, 2019, 01:17:30 PM
I am already cringing of the Jack Woodward puns ahead...
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 25, 2019, 01:19:22 PM
Stupendous.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: Border villan on July 25, 2019, 01:20:33 PM
Stupendous.
Done at 1.00, keep up😜
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: Kimaster1976 on July 25, 2019, 01:21:03 PM
Im not sure we actually needed another centre midfield player unless its for next season if Luiz goes back to Man City like was mentioned. I can't see Hourihane getting much game time this season now, and Lansbury, Bjarnason, O'Hare can forget about it.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 25, 2019, 01:21:45 PM
Stupendous.
Done at 1.00, keep up😜

Prodigious!
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: Smirker on July 25, 2019, 01:28:56 PM
Is he any good?
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: Border villan on July 25, 2019, 01:40:35 PM
Imperious.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: frank black on July 25, 2019, 01:48:15 PM
Crikey it’s getting crowded now, assuming the Brazilian is in the bag and we need a new GK.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: Smirker on July 25, 2019, 01:49:25 PM
Crikey it’s getting crowded now, assuming the Brazilian is in the bag and we need a new GK.

And a striker  8)
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: Towser on July 25, 2019, 01:50:14 PM
We now have Ming (&) The Marvellous
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: Border villan on July 25, 2019, 01:56:04 PM
Quick one now, the last Zimbabwean players we had were ..........
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: Chris Smith on July 25, 2019, 02:04:10 PM
Things could be marvellous.. 

Fabulous!

Open up the window and jump into claret and blue.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: Dave on July 25, 2019, 02:12:16 PM
Things could be marvellous.. 

Fabulous!

Open up the window and jump into claret and blue.

*nods in approval*
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: Risso on July 25, 2019, 02:15:25 PM
Quick one now, the last Zimbabwean players we had were ..........

marvellous?
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: KRS on July 25, 2019, 02:22:27 PM
Im not sure we actually needed another centre midfield player unless its for next season if Luiz goes back to Man City like was mentioned. I can't see Hourihane getting much game time this season now, and Lansbury, Bjarnason, O'Hare can forget about it.
We definitely need to strengthen in midfield. Hourihane has just been rewarded with a contract extension but I don’t see a future for BB or Lansbury at Villa Park, and O’Hare needs to go out on loan again to continue his development. Both Marvelous and Luiz are very much needed for our midfield to be competitive in the Premier League (as long as they are as good as expected).
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 25, 2019, 02:24:10 PM
Quick one now, the last Zimbabwean players we had were ..........

I think we have only ever had Zambians. Freddy Mwilah, forget the name of the other one, and Jackie Sewell played for them too.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: Zouch Villa on July 25, 2019, 02:26:09 PM
Splendid
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: Border villan on July 25, 2019, 02:28:39 PM
Quick one now, the last Zimbabwean players we had were ..........

I think we have only ever had Zambians. Freddy Mwilah, forget the name of the other one, and Jackie Sewell played for them too.
Apologies, yes they were from Zambia not Zimbabwe, like Boris I get confused in the details. Close but no cigar. The other was Emment Kapengwe.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: frank black on July 25, 2019, 02:29:02 PM
Splendid

We signing his brother as well?!
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: Border villan on July 25, 2019, 02:35:24 PM
Tumultuous will be his reception at Villa Park.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: UK Redsox on July 25, 2019, 02:45:58 PM
Is this still just a “Sky understands” ?
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: Risso on July 25, 2019, 02:47:32 PM
Is this still just a “Sky understands” ?

So far, although that's always stage 1 of an official announcement.  Stage 2 is Wolves saying he's shit, stage 3 is the bloke on Pravda asking him *just* what it means to play for a club like Villa.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: Brend'Watkins on July 25, 2019, 02:54:19 PM
What are we going to nickname him?  I'd go for Toby.  Toby Jones who played Neil Baldwin in the film adaptation of his life.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: eamonn on July 25, 2019, 02:59:52 PM
When do Brentford play Bruges in the pre-season Villa Tribute friendly?
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: Dazvillain on July 25, 2019, 03:32:24 PM
Do we really need another player for this end of the pitch with all the cover we have . In comparison our 8/9/10 goal scorer / centre forward area seems so weak in comparison
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: bjfoster on July 25, 2019, 03:35:29 PM
Is this still just a “Sky understands” ?

So far, although that's always stage 1 of an official announcement.  Stage 2 is Wolves saying he's shit, stage 3 is the bloke on Pravda asking him *just* what it means to play for a club like Villa.

This is pretty much how our week has been since 27th May.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: jwarry on July 25, 2019, 03:40:41 PM
Is this still just a “Sky understands” ?

Following the twitter to link to the sky sports article and it says he would be our second signing of the window.  It’s obviously a very old article! 
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: UK Redsox on July 25, 2019, 04:09:59 PM
Is this still just a “Sky understands” ?

Following the twitter to link to the sky sports article and it says he would be our second signing of the window.  It’s obviously a very old article! 

There’s a new article today and it was on SSN earlier

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11661/11770237/aston-villa-agree-11m-fee-for-club-brugge-midfielder-marvelous-nakamba
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 25, 2019, 04:11:54 PM
Is this the first time we have had a player from a country with a Z?
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: Border villan on July 25, 2019, 04:15:39 PM
No, we had Freddie Mwala and Emment Kapengwe from Zambia.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: jwarry on July 25, 2019, 04:22:36 PM
Is this still just a “Sky understands” ?

Following the twitter to link to the sky sports article and it says he would be our second signing of the window.  It’s obviously a very old article! 

There’s a new article today and it was on SSN earlier

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11661/11770237/aston-villa-agree-11m-fee-for-club-brugge-midfielder-marvelous-nakamba

Still says second signing, but now realised it’s second signing from Brugges doh 🤭
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: mr underhill on July 25, 2019, 05:01:12 PM
I'm sure another one will come along soon
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: Steve67 on July 25, 2019, 05:01:35 PM
Has he actually signed? I’m at work, can’t check!
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: UK Redsox on July 25, 2019, 05:06:42 PM
Has he actually signed? I’m at work, can’t check!

Not yet official. Still just Sky Sports understands
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: Legion on July 25, 2019, 05:09:38 PM
You lot are making all this up, aren't you?
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: algy on July 25, 2019, 05:21:31 PM
Does this mean we are not pursuing Douglas?

I would have thought so, he is a holding midfielder isn't he ?
We're allowed to sign both of them, surely?

Might be a marvelous (ha) rouse. If we rotate Doug & Marv, might keep him far enough below the work permit threshold that we can keep him for an extra season or two, so increase the buy back fee
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: Villa Lew on July 25, 2019, 05:25:30 PM
Good stuff, I mean marvellous, does anybody know, what this now takes our spending to, say to the nearest £50 mill!
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: Pat McMahon on July 25, 2019, 05:53:02 PM
Good stuff, I mean marvellous, does anybody know, what this now takes our spending to, say to the nearest £50 mill!

I read £120m being cited earlier but please treat that as you would a statistic from Boris Johnson
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 25, 2019, 06:25:13 PM
Nicked from Twitter

Sky sources understand Birmingham City are interested in signing Marvelous Nakamba's brother, Atrocious Nakamba
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: Richard E on July 25, 2019, 08:22:14 PM
His parents created a real hostage to fortune naming him ‘Marvelous’ didn’t they? The headline writers will have a field day if he’s crap.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: Hairbandinho on July 25, 2019, 08:25:17 PM
John Percy's article states we will sign him so I would expect it to happen.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 25, 2019, 08:33:42 PM
Nicked from Twitter

Sky sources understand Birmingham City are interested in signing Marvelous Nakamba's brother, Atrocious Nakamba

Very good.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: Damo70 on July 25, 2019, 08:40:25 PM
His parents created a real hostage to fortune naming him ‘Marvelous’ didn’t they? The headline writers will have a field day if he’s crap.


If he doesn't perform well you just know his nickname will be 'Notso' Marvelous.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: Steve67 on July 25, 2019, 09:18:42 PM
His parents created a real hostage to fortune naming him ‘Marvelous’ didn’t they? The headline writers will have a field day if he’s crap.


If he doesn't perform well you just know his nickname will be 'Notso' Marvelous.

Or NotsoNakamba.  It's not as funny, but does have a nice ring to it!
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: b23 on July 25, 2019, 09:49:26 PM
'S Wonderful 'S Marvellous

Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 25, 2019, 11:09:30 PM
His parents created a real hostage to fortune naming him ‘Marvelous’ didn’t they? The headline writers will have a field day if he’s crap.

My Zimbabwean colleague's first name is Fortune. Luckily it's a guy.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: olaftab on July 25, 2019, 11:24:11 PM
Still says second signing, but now realised it’s second signing from Brugges doh 🤭
Obviously one of our Scout is Brugge based.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: olaftab on July 25, 2019, 11:28:24 PM
His parents created a real hostage to fortune naming him ‘Marvelous’ didn’t they? The headline writers will have a field day if he’s crap.


If he doesn't perform well you just know his nickname will be 'Notso' Marvelous.

Or NotsoNakamba.  It's not as funny, but does have a nice ring to it!
The word nakamba means work-shy waste of oxygen type in Punjabi :o
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: BT warrior on July 25, 2019, 11:49:34 PM
Sorry I thought that was Micah Richards
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: tomhealy on July 26, 2019, 12:01:03 AM
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 26, 2019, 02:10:43 AM
To the tune of Barry for England.

‘Marvellous Nakamba che che che che che’
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: not3bad on July 26, 2019, 11:28:48 AM
Well I reckon we've got the best named footballer in the Premier league anyway. Welcome Marvellous. Super smashing.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: UK Redsox on July 26, 2019, 06:20:55 PM
Any updates today or is this now a “Sky Sports misunderstands” situation ?
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: Villafirst on July 27, 2019, 10:25:34 AM
This deal seems to have gone quiet? Any updates?
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: dave shelley on July 27, 2019, 10:27:49 AM
He's picketting himself.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on July 27, 2019, 10:35:57 AM
He's picketting himself.
So he is a striker then? :)
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: andyh on July 27, 2019, 10:43:28 AM
The Rags are after his brother ‘Fucking Rubbish’
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: clash city rocker on July 27, 2019, 11:34:09 AM
The Rags are after his brother ‘Fucking Rubbish’

Good one
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: b23 on July 27, 2019, 11:13:53 PM
Has this guy signed ?

Or was it all a dream ???
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: Steve67 on July 27, 2019, 11:17:05 PM
Nixon saying that the deal will be done in the next day or so.  But also saying that Villa still want Phillips and that he is ready to force his way out of Leeds. I'm not convinced but will gladly accept if either is true.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: Villafirst on July 27, 2019, 11:54:11 PM
Nixon saying that the deal will be done in the next day or so.  But also saying that Villa still want Phillips and that he is ready to force his way out of Leeds. I'm not convinced but will gladly accept if either is true.

Marvelous is better value at £11m than the overpriced Phillips at £25 million plus...
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: b23 on July 28, 2019, 12:07:05 AM
Nixon saying that the deal will be done in the next day or so.  But also saying that Villa still want Phillips and that he is ready to force his way out of Leeds. I'm not convinced but will gladly accept if either is true.

If Phillips does join AVFC , i think there will be a revolutionary, never before seen, football formation.

                                                                                                                        Goalie

Guilbert                                                                                                             Mings                                                                                                                                                            Targett

             Phillips DM                                                                                            Luiz DM                                                                                                                                          Makamba DM

                                                                                                           Grealish        McGinn

                                                                                                                        Jota ( in the hole )

                                                                                                                      Wesley





Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: nigel on July 28, 2019, 09:20:44 AM
Nixon saying that the deal will be done in the next day or so.  But also saying that Villa still want Phillips and that he is ready to force his way out of Leeds. I'm not convinced but will gladly accept if either is true.

If Phillips does join AVFC , i think there will be a revolutionary, never before seen, football formation.

                                                                                                                        Goalie

Guilbert                                                                                                             Mings                                                                                                                                                            Targett

             Phillips DM                                                                                            Luiz DM                                                                                                                                          Makamba DM

                                                                                                           Grealish        McGinn

                                                                                                                        Jota ( in the hole )

                                                                                                                      Wesley

A bit overloaded on the left, even the goalie is a left wing back 😉

Edit. Wtf!! We seem to be overdoing it on both wings now 😂
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: Steve67 on July 28, 2019, 09:36:24 AM
Nixon saying that the deal will be done in the next day or so.  But also saying that Villa still want Phillips and that he is ready to force his way out of Leeds. I'm not convinced but will gladly accept if either is true.

If Phillips does join AVFC , i think there will be a revolutionary, never before seen, football formation.

                                                                                                                        Goalie

Guilbert                                                                                                             Mings                                                                                                                                                            Targett

             Phillips DM                                                                                            Luiz DM                                                                                                                                          Makamba DM

                                                                                                           Grealish        McGinn

                                                                                                                        Jota ( in the hole )

                                                                                                                      Wesley

A bit overloaded on the left, even the goalie is a left wing back 😉

Edit. Wtf!! We seem to be overdoing it on both wings now 😂

Grenade!!  Take cover!!
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: Tuscans on July 28, 2019, 12:30:10 PM
Marvelous Nakamba to Aston Villa should be done in the next 24 hours. [gregg evans] #avfc
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: Dazvillain on July 29, 2019, 10:09:46 AM
Marvelous Nakamba to Aston Villa should be done in the next 24 hours. [gregg evans] #avfc
I’d have preferred Phillips . His name started cropping up hoping to force a move again over weekend. I can’t see us wanting Luiz, Marvelous and PHILLIPS especially given that if we really needed to we have Connor , Engels and Konsa who can play that role, anyway.....

Announce some bloody strikers , aaarrgghhh
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: OCD on July 29, 2019, 10:22:45 AM
Marvellous is a box-to-box player isn't he, so possibly an alternative to SJM. In which case Phillips would be an alternative to Douglas or give us to the option of playing 2 defensive midfielders when we're playing the better teams. Does look like Smith wants 2 players for each position.

If Douglas has a good season, we could also buy Phillips with the profit margin that's built into the Douglas buy-in clause, effectively buying Phillips for free - proving a smart move.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: Ads on July 29, 2019, 10:26:30 AM
No, he's a defensive sitter.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: OCD on July 29, 2019, 10:28:24 AM
That suggests we've probably moved on from Phillips for the time being then. Wouldn't be surprised if we're back in for him at a later date.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: UK Redsox on July 29, 2019, 10:49:19 AM
Tish to Doncaster ?

https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/24-year-old-aston-villa-man-poised-to-make-efl-switch/


EDIT - Sorry, wrong thread
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 29, 2019, 11:04:03 AM
Seems like a crazy gamble letting Tshibola go. If we get Marvellous and Phillips, that would only be about forty midfielders if Tish leaves.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: mr underhill on July 29, 2019, 12:14:48 PM
Tish epitomized everything that was wrong about Aston Villa when we bought him. A shambolic mess  living in the past run by self interested clowns and fronted by a tiny man in a cheap suit, visiting the ground and BMH in a taxi.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: Pete3206 on July 29, 2019, 12:48:32 PM
Are you talking about our current vice-chairman?
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: Risso on July 29, 2019, 12:53:16 PM
Seems like a crazy gamble letting Tshibola go. If we get Marvellous and Phillips, that would only be about forty midfielders if Tish leaves.

There's a player in there somewh.....actually there isn't, he's shit.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: godzvilla on July 29, 2019, 03:30:15 PM

You look Marvelous , Billy Chrystal  ....
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: andyh on July 29, 2019, 03:30:53 PM
On his way for a medical (marvellous) according to twatter
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: Monty on July 29, 2019, 06:08:08 PM
Sky Sports also saying he's with the Villa medical staff today, although the details of the contract haven't been agreed yet.

Finally got around to watching a few videos of him. He reminds me a lot of Delph actually - aggressive, range of passing, somewhat slippery dribbling style and loping sort of running style, even left-footed and looks a little too eager to go to ground. If he has half Delph's impact that'll be a big success.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: Villafirst on July 29, 2019, 08:23:33 PM
Terms agreed according to Football Insider......however accurate they are??
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: eamonn on July 29, 2019, 09:47:52 PM
Half of Delph's impact would be the least I'd be hoping for. I liked Fab when he was on-form but for a lot of his career at Villa he was injured or struggling to make an impression.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: themossman on July 29, 2019, 10:06:24 PM
I’ve also just finally watched the obligatory YouTube compilation. Repeats footage in a 2 minute clip, worryingly!

I like the look of him. Quick and physical, likes a lunging tackle. Can see him challenging SJM in the yellow card stakes.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: SirSteveUK on July 29, 2019, 11:50:04 PM
he has a good poke on him...geez
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: mallo on July 30, 2019, 10:30:39 AM
He looks pretty quick, which he'll need to be with that tackling style. I was trying to see if the Belgian league was as quick as the premier league and it does look similar. Good feet and not afraid to go forwards - could be a good signing.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 30, 2019, 04:48:14 PM
Sky Sports also saying he's with the Villa medical staff today, although the details of the contract haven't been agreed yet.

Finally got around to watching a few videos of him. He reminds me a lot of Delph actually - aggressive, range of passing, somewhat slippery dribbling style and loping sort of running style, even left-footed and looks a little too eager to go to ground. If he has half Delph's impact that'll be a big success.

The Delph comparison is a really good one. Very quick, not afraid of making a challenge. Will absolutely keep SJM sharp and a brilliant rotation option.

Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: darren woolley on July 30, 2019, 04:53:26 PM
I can see similarity with the way he plays and Delph looks a good player looking forward to seeing play for us.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: Villafirst on July 30, 2019, 06:55:43 PM
Any updates on this supposed deal? Medical was yesterday according to reports.....
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: Edvard Remberg on July 30, 2019, 07:46:06 PM
Maybe the Egyptians have blocked the transfer,  as it might take focus from their son
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: OCD on July 30, 2019, 10:04:28 PM
We do seem to take our time getting deals over the line.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 30, 2019, 10:06:29 PM
Or the Home Office do.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: Steve67 on July 30, 2019, 10:11:11 PM
Media day today so maybe they were tied up doing that all day.  Still over a week of the window to go and it gets quite exciting to still be involved up to the deadline. 
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: OCD on July 30, 2019, 10:12:23 PM
Or the Home Office do.

Normally a deal is announced with 'subject to work permit' tagged with an asterix next to it.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on July 30, 2019, 10:42:50 PM
Looks quick footed and good at drobbling but will need to learn to stay on his feet rather than his arse.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: andyh on July 30, 2019, 10:54:42 PM
Drobbling will do that to you though.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: Steve67 on July 30, 2019, 10:57:08 PM
Arse and drobbling in the same sentence. Issues.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: Drummond on July 31, 2019, 12:55:23 PM
We do seem to take our time getting deals over the line.

Couldn't agree more. It's been 65 days since the Play-Off Final and we've only managed to sign 11 players and move on another 8. They really need to pull their fingers out.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 31, 2019, 01:02:56 PM
Agreed. We’ve been simply outstanding this summer and getting deals done. All this doing a Fulham bollocks when in reality we are the very opposite getting all our incoming business done with the exception of maybe a striker by the end of July. And there’s still a day to go. To get almost all of the players in a good number of days before the deadline is very impressive.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: OCD on July 31, 2019, 01:06:19 PM
We do seem to take our time getting deals over the line.

Couldn't agree more. It's been 65 days since the Play-Off Final and we've only managed to sign 11 players and move on another 8. They really need to pull their fingers out.

That's not what I meant.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: Clampy on July 31, 2019, 01:16:27 PM
We do seem to take our time getting deals over the line.

Couldn't agree more. It's been 65 days since the Play-Off Final and we've only managed to sign 11 players and move on another 8. They really need to pull their fingers out.

That's not what I meant.

What did you mean then? You know it's not as easy as making an offer then wrapping the whole thing up in a couple of days.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: kipeye on July 31, 2019, 01:19:09 PM
We do seem to take our time getting deals over the line.

Couldn't agree more. It's been 65 days since the Play-Off Final and we've only managed to sign 11 players and move on another 8. They really need to pull their fingers out.

That's not what I meant.

What did you mean then? You know it's not as easy as making an offer then wrapping the whole thing up in a couple of days.
Think he means we're not panicking (for a change).
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: eamonn on July 31, 2019, 01:22:35 PM
Nah, I think he meant we're slow at finalising the deals.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: Towser on July 31, 2019, 01:38:38 PM
that AVtransfers guy on twitter reporting that was "Not such a Marvelous medical 👀 #AVFC"
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: OCD on July 31, 2019, 01:41:08 PM
Nah, I think he meant we're slow at finalising the deals.

That's what I meant. There's instances where the fee has been agreed, terms have been agreed, the medical has been done but it still takes a while before there's an official announcement. I thought Nakamba would have been announced yesterday with the words 'subject to international clearance' added at the end. And with Trezeguet it was announced as being subject to international clearance and I never saw anything about clearance being granted, just saw him playing against Walsall.

The recruitment team have truly done a great job this summer. Both in identifying who they wanted and the way they've gone about bringing them in.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 31, 2019, 02:17:20 PM
What if it is just the appropriate amount of time to do things correctly? To make sure everything has been verified and paperwork submitted, i’s dotted, t’s crossed. None of us truly know once two clubs have  agreed a fee what constitutes the final steps in a deal. Especially with a non EU player. And I imagine as the UK exits Brexit it will only get more complex. So just because a deal is agreed doesn’t mean all of the other stuff has. It’s a lot more than a medical.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: themossman on July 31, 2019, 02:20:00 PM
I know what you mean but at the same time if we get the player either way and the rest is just admin then it makes no difference to anything besides fans getting a bit impatient for a week or two.

I guess the obvious risk is you leave room for other clubs to hijack deals but there’s no evidence that that’s happened/going to happen so I’m relaxed about it.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: cheltenhamlion on July 31, 2019, 02:52:21 PM
Is done. The Phillips story is bollocks as far as I know.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: KRS on July 31, 2019, 03:09:46 PM
Is the not so Marvelous medical story bolx too?
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: Mister E on July 31, 2019, 03:10:54 PM
Nah, I think he meant we're slow at finalising the deals.

That's what I meant. There's instances where the fee has been agreed, terms have been agreed, the medical has been done but it still takes a while before there's an official announcement. I thought Nakamba would have been announced yesterday with the words 'subject to international clearance' added at the end. And with Trezeguet it was announced as being subject to international clearance and I never saw anything about clearance being granted, just saw him playing against Walsall.

The recruitment team have truly done a great job this summer. Both in identifying who they wanted and the way they've gone about bringing them in.
Trezeguet didn't play against Walsall, did he? Charlton - yes.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: OCD on July 31, 2019, 03:50:18 PM
Sorry, yes Charlton.

Agreed about it being fan impatience. The problem with working from home is that I’m checking for updates every few minutes. The irony being is that probably all the official announcements have been when I’ve been busy.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 31, 2019, 03:55:02 PM
Sorry, yes Charlton.

Agreed about it being fan impatience. The problem with working from home is that I’m checking for updates every few minutes. The irony being is that probably all the official announcements have been when I’ve been busy.


I know I do a circuit of the internet for updates when I should be working and I am a Surgeon !! (not really)
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: villadelph on July 31, 2019, 04:47:20 PM
I can't get a read on him from all his highlights videos. I see Carlos Sanchez with a better motor?
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: Villafirst on July 31, 2019, 04:51:39 PM
I can't get a read on him from all his highlights videos. I see Carlos Sanchez with a better motor?

Just about the opposite to Sanchez!
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: Risso on July 31, 2019, 05:44:48 PM
It was the lack of any sort of motor or physicality that made Sanchez such a disappointment, in my opinion.  He always looked bewildered by the English game, and knackered after 60 minutes.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 31, 2019, 06:38:18 PM
I always felt Sanchez suffered from never having a summer break. Every bloody summer he was playing in tournaments and coming back to Villa knackered. Lovely player but you could set your clock on 60 minutes he'll fall apart.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on July 31, 2019, 06:42:46 PM
I always felt Sanchez suffered from never having a summer break. Every bloody summer he was playing in tournaments and coming back to Villa knackered. Lovely player but you could set your clock on 60 minutes he'll fall apart.
So did the rest of the team!
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: Damo70 on July 31, 2019, 06:44:37 PM
I always felt Sanchez suffered from never having a summer break. Every bloody summer he was playing in tournaments and coming back to Villa knackered. Lovely player but you could set your clock on 60 minutes he'll fall apart.


I just love the name Marvelous Nakamba. He sounds like a character created by Lenny Henry to be the best mate of Algernon Razzamatazz.

Should we have signed Marvelous Nakamba? 'Algernon says okay'.

I have got that song stuck in my head now.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 31, 2019, 06:51:08 PM
I always felt Sanchez suffered from never having a summer break. Every bloody summer he was playing in tournaments and coming back to Villa knackered. Lovely player but you could set your clock on 60 minutes he'll fall apart.
So did the rest of the team!

Ha! Indeed. Oh as supporters, how we've suffered for far too long. The references to today and 1975 ring very true.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: London Villan on July 31, 2019, 07:15:59 PM
I can't get a read on him from all his highlights videos. I see Carlos Sanchez with a better motor?

Does he spend most of the match running 5 yards behind an opponent?
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: villadelph on July 31, 2019, 07:23:24 PM
I can't get a read on him from all his highlights videos. I see Carlos Sanchez with a better motor?

Does he spend most of the match running 5 yards behind an opponent?

I just see someone who can time a lunge and play tidy at times. But again, this is totally going off highlights videos. I’m no scout.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 31, 2019, 07:39:09 PM
He looks like he's a Destroyer. Plain and simple. Puts a foot in, wins the ball, short pass to a teammate. Job done.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: Brassneck on July 31, 2019, 07:50:23 PM
He looks like he's a Destroyer. Plain and simple. Puts a foot in, wins the ball, short pass to a teammate. Job done.

YT videos can be so deceptive but both his and Luiz's look amazing.  I wouldn't like to be the person picking between the pair of them but I guess that Deano will argue that it's the type of choice he's glad he's got.

On a bit of a sobering note, there's a Villa fan out in Spain who has a season ticket at Girona.  I read a comment recently when asked what he thought of Luiz, he replied that he thought he had looked ordinary and possibly a bit lightweight.  Based purely on that comment, I would pick Marvelous against Spurs in what will be a baptism of fire for many of the players, including DM.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: aev on July 31, 2019, 08:14:57 PM
He looks like he's a Destroyer. Plain and simple. Puts a foot in, wins the ball, short pass to a teammate. Job done.

YT videos can be so deceptive but both his and Luiz's look amazing.  I wouldn't like to be the person picking between the pair of them but I guess that Deano will argue that it's the type of choice he's glad he's got.

On a bit of a sobering note, there's a Villa fan out in Spain who has a season ticket at Girona.  I read a comment recently when asked what he thought of Luiz, he replied that he thought he had looked ordinary and possibly a bit lightweight.  Based purely on that comment, I would pick Marvelous against Spurs in what will be a baptism of fire for many of the players, including DM.

Spanish mate of mine (Valencia fan) said the same thing.

Mind you, being a DM in a team that gets relegated it isn’t always easy to shine, and we have seen plenty of our players move onto better things after leaving us when we were relegated (recently Gueye) so there is always hope...
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: dave shelley on July 31, 2019, 08:54:44 PM
Does anyone know if this bloke has actually put pen to paper?
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: Richard E on July 31, 2019, 09:36:43 PM
Does anyone know if this bloke has actually put pen to paper?

I’m not actually 100% convinced that he really exists, Dave.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 31, 2019, 09:44:05 PM
He looks like he's a Destroyer. Plain and simple. Puts a foot in, wins the ball, short pass to a teammate. Job done.

YT videos can be so deceptive but both his and Luiz's look amazing.  I wouldn't like to be the person picking between the pair of them but I guess that Deano will argue that it's the type of choice he's glad he's got.



Isn't Dean Smith a 4-2-3-1 man at heart?
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: dave shelley on July 31, 2019, 09:50:20 PM
Does anyone know if this bloke has actually put pen to paper?

I’m not actually 100% convinced that he really exists, Dave.

I'm beginning to think you may be right Richard.  No one is owning up to seeing him anywhere, no sneaky photo's or such like. 
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: LeeB on July 31, 2019, 09:55:05 PM
Does anyone know if this bloke has actually put pen to paper?

I’m not actually 100% convinced that he really exists, Dave.

I'm beginning to think you may be right Richard.  No one is owning up to seeing him anywhere, no sneaky photo's or such like. 

He exists, but in parallel universe alongside the likes of Outrageous Drogba and Unconvincing Westwood,  where players put in didier performances for ashley amounts of money
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: Villafirst on July 31, 2019, 10:49:23 PM
Does anyone know if this bloke has actually put pen to paper?

Be patient!   You know....
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: mr underhill on August 01, 2019, 07:07:14 AM
we'll reveal Phillips first.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: algy on August 01, 2019, 07:24:00 AM
Does anyone know if this bloke has actually put pen to paper?

I’m not actually 100% convinced that he really exists, Dave.

I'm beginning to think you may be right Richard.  No one is owning up to seeing him anywhere, no sneaky photo's or such like. 

He exists, but in parallel universe alongside the likes of Outrageous Drogba and Unconvincing Westwood,  where players put in didier performances for ashley amounts of money
Made me laugh :)
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: Clampy on August 01, 2019, 07:29:18 AM
Does anyone know if this bloke has actually put pen to paper?

Be patient!   You know....

Yes, why don't you try it?
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 01, 2019, 10:34:00 AM
This is done. Should be announced later today/2mo unless Villa decide to hold out for his Visa to be sorted. Hes signed a contract though
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: Villafirst on August 01, 2019, 10:43:51 AM
Does anyone know if this bloke has actually put pen to paper?

Be patient!   You know....

Yes, why don't you try it?

Oh the irony!
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: Clampy on August 01, 2019, 11:01:38 AM
Does anyone know if this bloke has actually put pen to paper?

Be patient!   You know....

Yes, why don't you try it?

Oh the irony!

Not sure what you mean.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: Tuscans on August 01, 2019, 11:05:30 AM
Marvellous announced....as a crossword.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: Tuscans on August 01, 2019, 11:06:05 AM

(https://i.ibb.co/zmczP5q/EA4-FB09-W4-AIv-HRj.jpg) (https://ibb.co/zmczP5q)
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: andyh on August 01, 2019, 11:09:39 AM
FECKIN MARVELOUS!!
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: simon ward 50 on August 01, 2019, 11:10:57 AM
I'm worried with a name like Marvelous that he won't be!
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: Ads on August 01, 2019, 11:11:42 AM
No mention of his signing being subject to a VISA?

Is it slightly easier coming from a Commonwealth nation? Hopefully he can play tomorrow and be available for Spurs.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 01, 2019, 11:11:59 AM
Does anyone know if this bloke has actually put pen to paper?

Be patient!   You know....

Yes, why don't you try it?

Oh the irony!

Not sure what you mean.

I don’t get any of it.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 01, 2019, 11:15:27 AM
No mention of his signing being subject to a VISA?

Is it slightly easier coming from a Commonwealth nation? Hopefully he can play tomorrow and be available for Spurs.

Guessing he's exempt as a Kolpak player? I've only ever heard of the rules being applied to cricket but can't see why they wouldn't apply to football, too.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolpak_ruling
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: AsTallAsLions on August 01, 2019, 11:16:55 AM
Really want to watch his interview, but knowing Jack Woodward is asking the questions has me dreading what sort of nonsense he greets him with...
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba
Post by: andyh on August 01, 2019, 11:19:27 AM
Poor Tom Heaton.
He only signed this morning and already is not our newest announcement 😄

What a bloody summer !!!!
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: andyh on August 01, 2019, 11:20:36 AM
Really want to watch his interview, but knowing Jack Woodward is asking the questions has me dreading what sort of nonsense he greets him with...
It’s not jW, but the questions are as inane as usual, although Marvelous  does give one brilliant answer
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 01, 2019, 11:25:29 AM
https://www.avfc.co.uk/News/2019/08/01/marvelous-nakamba-sings-for-aston-villa
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on August 01, 2019, 11:32:03 AM
Really want to watch his interview, but knowing Jack Woodward is asking the questions has me dreading what sort of nonsense he greets him with...
It’s not jW, but the questions are as inane as usual, although Marvelous  does give one brilliant answer

Just watched on your advice, survived the experience ;)
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: jwarry on August 01, 2019, 11:32:38 AM
https://www.avfc.co.uk/News/2019/08/01/marvelous-nakamba-sings-for-aston-villa

What sort of singing does he do?
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Villan For Life on August 01, 2019, 11:37:09 AM
Welcome, finally to the Marvelous  Villa, Marvelous
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: andyh on August 01, 2019, 11:37:41 AM
https://www.avfc.co.uk/News/2019/08/01/marvelous-nakamba-sings-for-aston-villa

What sort of singing does he do?
Do you really need an answer?
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Dazvillain on August 01, 2019, 11:39:02 AM
Welcome welcome, not sure how Deano gonna fit you in .
Thanks to Thor, Henry and about 4 other midfielders that surely must be leaving now
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: brian green on August 01, 2019, 11:41:04 AM
Melodious or Mellifluous at a guess.(singing)
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Steve67 on August 01, 2019, 11:43:33 AM
Welcome Mr Nakamba.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Mister E on August 01, 2019, 11:44:42 AM
What's his car reversing like?
😁
Let's hope he's brilliant!
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: brontebilly on August 01, 2019, 11:46:51 AM
Bit of a strange signing ? Do we effectively have four players, including three recent signings (Jota, Luiz and Marvelous) competing with Hourihane to partner McGinn and Grealish? Jota also an option out wide competing with Trez it seems.

Our scouts seem to have had success in the Belgian league in recent years, hope it continues!
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 01, 2019, 11:53:08 AM
Bit of a strange signing ? Do we effectively have four players, including three recent signings (Jota, Luiz and Marvelous) competing with Hourihane to partner McGinn and Grealish? Jota also an option out wide competing with Trez it seems.

Our scouts seem to have had success in the Belgian league in recent years, hope it continues!

Seems to me like Marvelous will be competing with Luiz, Jota competing with SJM, SJG and the wide players, Hourihane competing with all the centre-mids.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: itbrvilla on August 01, 2019, 11:57:21 AM
Some superb player names in the Zimbabwe national side.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: darren woolley on August 01, 2019, 12:04:42 PM
Welcome to Aston Villa Marvelous let's hope we have a Marvelous time together at Villa.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 01, 2019, 12:22:48 PM
I would love this kid to become out N’golo Kante. Signed for next to nothing by Leicester from Caen he became one the most influential signings for them in that title year and since one of the best CM in the league and in Europe. This lad like to put himself about and scores the odd few too. Good luck Marvellous.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on August 01, 2019, 12:25:41 PM
Great work from Prada - the email just received announcing Heaton and Marvelous reveals that Marvelous is 25 and the link to the 'full story' online travels back in time and advises he is 24.

Our very own Benjamin Button.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Chipsticks on August 01, 2019, 01:09:59 PM
My pick to be the signing of the summer.

From my time playing with him on Fifa, he's a fucking beast.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: manic-road on August 01, 2019, 01:20:00 PM
Welcome Marvellous, now just be outstanding.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: dave shelley on August 01, 2019, 01:20:47 PM
Marvellous innit?
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: oldtimernow on August 01, 2019, 01:37:17 PM
'S wonderful, 's marvelous
That you should care for me
'S awful nice, 's paradise
'S what I love to see
You've made my life so glamorous
You can't blame me for feeling amorous
Oh, 's wonderful, 's marvelous
That you should care for me
'S wonderful, 's marvelous
You should care for me
'S awfully nice, 's paradise
'S what I love to see
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 01, 2019, 01:50:55 PM
he has marvelous teeth


welcome
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Dogtanian on August 01, 2019, 01:52:10 PM
To be honest we have some really good midfield options now.

Grealish and McGinn favoured for the middle, but Jota and Trezeguet can play in those positions too if needed.  El Ghazi and Trezeguet for the left, Jota and Green for the right ( with Jota, Trezeguet, and El Ghazi being able to swap wings also ).  Now we have Hourihane, Luiz, and Nakamba competing for the DM position.

Quite happy with that.  The only annoying thing is that Luiz really isn't going to be available for the first few games because of work permit.  Does anyone know if the Marvelous one has a permit already and can start training and preparing for the early games already?
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: taylorsworkrate on August 01, 2019, 01:58:11 PM
Surely Luiz's work permit should be sorted before the start of the season?
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Dogtanian on August 01, 2019, 02:02:52 PM
Surely Luiz's work permit should be sorted before the start of the season?

It should, but he's still in Brazil... so once he is allowed to work over here he will be able to join the squad and start training and have to get up to the level the rest of the squad is at around now.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: NoelVilla on August 01, 2019, 02:06:32 PM
Really like what were doing and that we can get it to work on the pitch fast. Signing some scouts from Brentford and Club Brugge might be an idea.  8)
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Smirker on August 01, 2019, 02:39:14 PM
Scandalous
I'm talking about you and me
Marvelous
Baby, baby, can't you see
Anything you've ever dreamed of
I'm willing to be
Tonight it's going to be scandalous
'Cause tonight I'm going to be your fantasy

 8)
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Smirker on August 01, 2019, 02:43:30 PM
OK serious one now lads, someone must be able to make a good one out of this - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nLAWPrCUQQ0

He's Marvelous Nakamba
He's Marvelous Nakamba
......
......
......
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: UK Redsox on August 01, 2019, 03:18:20 PM
Really like what were doing and that we can get it to work on the pitch fast. Signing some scouts from Brentford and Club Brugge might be an idea.  8)

Only if they're as good as these Standard Liege scouts

Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on August 07, 2019, 10:36:45 PM
Zimbabwe have got quite a few marvelously-named players:

Elvis Chipezeze   
Teenage Hadebe (aged 23)
Divine Lunga   
Knowledge Musona   
Godknows Murwira   
Rodwell Chinyengetere   
Admiral Muskwe   
Lucky Mkosana   
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 07, 2019, 10:41:45 PM
You just know that if we signed "Lucky", he'd be injured on his debut and miss the next eight months.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: OCD on August 07, 2019, 11:11:59 PM
The Luc Nilis clause.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on August 07, 2019, 11:17:48 PM
Zimbabwe have got quite a few marvelously-named players:

Elvis Chipezeze   
Teenage Hadebe (aged 23)
Divine Lunga   
Knowledge Musona   
Godknows Murwira   
Rodwell Chinyengetere   
Admiral Muskwe   
Lucky Mkosana   


Magnificent Stuff.

(I hope that’s not the name of a player too).

Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 27, 2019, 10:12:12 PM
I commented he was anonymous in the first half but as the game went on he came more into it. Very efficient with the ball and I am sure he will be a lot more dynamic once fully fit. He’ll prove a great option converting for our starting midfielders in the future.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: MoetVillan on August 27, 2019, 10:22:54 PM
At about 20 minutes I didn’t think he would make it to half time...but he really settled and was my man of the match at the end
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: brian green on August 27, 2019, 10:37:36 PM
If it is too late for us to sign Godknows Murwira perhaps there is a Gaslight Wesleyan out there we can bring in
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 27, 2019, 10:40:39 PM
Dodgy start, but once he caught the pace of the game he was really good. Looks like he could be an enforcer to allow our seventy million other midfielders to get forward.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: purpletrousers on August 27, 2019, 10:49:08 PM
If it is too late for us to sign Godknows Murwira perhaps there is a Gaslight Wesleyan out there we can bring in

Separate thread in off topic for your Divine Lunges...
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 27, 2019, 11:48:01 PM
https://twitter.com/oldmansaid/status/1166446356896071680?s=12
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: paul_e on August 28, 2019, 12:41:44 AM
That's just filth, feel a bit sorry for the crewe player.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: KRS on August 28, 2019, 03:56:51 AM
Looks a bit lightweight from what I was expecting but if he’s athletic, skillful and strong enough in possession then we could have a player on our hands. Glad he got some minutes tonight and expect him to be introduced as a sub a few times rather than starter when he’s match fit to get him comfortable with the pace of the PL.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: AV82EC on August 28, 2019, 07:59:24 AM
Looked a bit rusty the first 20 minutes but really got up to speed second half and thought he really got a grip of the game and ball. Encouraging.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Dogtanian on August 28, 2019, 09:07:38 AM
Was interesting to see Mervelous last night.  Some good things and some signs that he's got to get up to speed, but not a bad showing for his first game in English football.

Looking forward to seeing how he develops this season.  My only disappointment really was that he doesn't go by his first name on his shirt!
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: villabear on September 10, 2019, 09:51:25 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/1YNtH7W/8933-EAAB-AA4-F-4-A20-808-D-AE32-BF853696.jpg) (https://ibb.co/1YNtH7W)


According to official site Dean says he’s close to being ready for a first team spot pushing Doug and Conor. I’m thinking he’s loving life here looking at this pic.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Steve67 on September 10, 2019, 10:11:28 PM
Hopefully in the squad for Monday to strengthen us physically.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Dazvillain on September 11, 2019, 07:38:31 AM
Hopefully in the squad for Monday to strengthen us physically.
Douglas and 2 games with long flights could be tested I think for Marvellous to make his debut.
I think Deano will account for that with a few that have been away and how many mins they played and how far they have travelled
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: eamonn on September 11, 2019, 08:34:30 AM
Good that we're not playing til Monday then.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 11, 2019, 11:34:38 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/1YNtH7W/8933-EAAB-AA4-F-4-A20-808-D-AE32-BF853696.jpg) (https://ibb.co/1YNtH7W)


According to official site Dean says he’s close to being ready for a first team spot pushing Doug and Conor. I’m thinking he’s loving life here looking at this pic.

he looks a cross between Dalian and Dwight . I love him just for that .
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Hookeysmith on September 11, 2019, 12:51:59 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/1YNtH7W/8933-EAAB-AA4-F-4-A20-808-D-AE32-BF853696.jpg) (https://ibb.co/1YNtH7W)


According to official site Dean says he’s close to being ready for a first team spot pushing Doug and Conor. I’m thinking he’s loving life here looking at this pic.

he looks a cross between Dalian and Dwight . I love him just for that .

I can certainly see Yorke in him

They have the greatest job in the world with a huge amount of wealth that goes with it - why they all don't smile like that is beyond me
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: darren woolley on September 13, 2019, 10:26:26 AM
Can't wait to see him play he will give us another option in that DM role.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: OCD on September 16, 2019, 10:49:22 PM
Aside from the odd misplaced pass in the first half, thought he had a really promising debut. He provides more of a physical presence than Luiz and could do well for us.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Steve67 on September 16, 2019, 10:54:37 PM
Aside from the odd misplaced pass in the first half, thought he had a really promising debut. He provides more of a physical presence than Luiz and could do well for us.

I agree.  He was neat and tidy without being hugely creative.  Covered the ground well and likes a tackle.  Hopefully, much more to come from him. I thought he was better than Douglas but would like to see them play together.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: PeterWithe on September 16, 2019, 11:15:34 PM
He looked promising, very good at breaking up play, not so great with the more ambitious stuff.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 16, 2019, 11:19:33 PM
Was pretty happy with him aswell, agree with comments above.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 16, 2019, 11:29:48 PM
I like him.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 17, 2019, 12:39:35 AM
I like him too. Like a understated player like Gueye .  Was a good debut.  Id liek to see him with Luis with Jack further . 4 2 3 1

Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 17, 2019, 01:31:34 AM
Naughty but nice. Deserves another chance.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: wittonwarrior on September 17, 2019, 07:11:34 AM
Looked like a poor man's version of Vierra. Not a bad comparison though.  Decent performance.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Clampy on September 17, 2019, 07:14:54 AM
He did ok. Gave the ball away a couple of times early on which is always going to happen on your debut but settled after that and kept it simple when he had too. Encouraging.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: in exile on September 17, 2019, 08:05:29 AM
We seem more fluid with him playing that role
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Mister E on September 17, 2019, 09:16:51 AM
Team him up with Luiz and I think we'll have two excellent CM players to give the platform for McGinn and Grealish to get more advanced in support of a hard-working but currently-undersupported Wesley.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: West Derby Villan on September 17, 2019, 01:59:55 PM
Aside from the odd misplaced pass in the first half, thought he had a really promising debut. He provides more of a physical presence than Luiz and could do well for us.

I agree.  He was neat and tidy without being hugely creative.  Covered the ground well and likes a tackle.  Hopefully, much more to come from him. I thought he was better than Douglas but would like to see them play together.

Very good debut, fitted into the system really well. More to come I think
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: tim on September 17, 2019, 02:11:30 PM
Didn't see the game last night but really pleased with what i'm reading here - sounds like he did well and that's great. Plenty of games to go so let's see how he impresses from here.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on September 17, 2019, 02:27:09 PM
Lost possession a few times but regained it without resorting to lunging in ....looked strong and assured ...good debut.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: richtheholtender on September 17, 2019, 03:12:29 PM
Looked like a poor man's version of Vierra. Not a bad comparison though.  Decent performance.


I thought he was like Reo-Coker. Grafted hard to win the ball to pass it to the opposition.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Drummond on September 17, 2019, 04:03:50 PM
I thought there were a number of challenges where he'd concede a free-kick but his timing was spot-on. He's just the sort of player that a good side needs. Gueye and Kante like in my view.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: UK Redsox on September 17, 2019, 05:21:50 PM
Team him up with Luiz and I think we'll have two excellent CM players to give the platform for McGinn and Grealish to get more advanced in support of a hard-working but currently-undersupported Wesley.

Yep, time for some flexibility. Drop one of the wingers and let Jack/SGM drift out wide as needed
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: olaftab on September 19, 2019, 08:55:41 PM
May be there is a reason why Smith signed both. Let's see how he deploys them in the future games.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: tony scott on September 21, 2019, 07:29:40 AM
You just wonder what Deans conversation is with Conner, I know I can rely on you just need to get the new boys up to speed !
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Brassneck on September 21, 2019, 09:45:42 AM
You just wonder what Deans conversation is with Conner, I know I can rely on you just need to get the new boys up to speed !

I think his new, improved 4 year contract may have quite an influence.  Like it or not, CH is now 3rd in the pecking order for DM, which was never his natural/favoured position in any case.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on September 21, 2019, 10:11:08 AM
He should be one of the 3 midfielders ahead of the DM. 2 wingers is not working and we are missing his goals, assists and deadball deliveries. 4-1-3-2 at home. Depending on the opposition 4-2-3-1 away from home
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Clampy on September 21, 2019, 10:32:30 AM
I'd like to see him get another run out tomorrow. He looked useful last week and playing against decent opposition will improve him further.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Axl Rose on September 21, 2019, 11:00:19 AM
I'd like to see him get another run out tomorrow. He looked useful last week and playing against decent opposition will improve him further.

I can see him scoring tomorrow, actually.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: wittonwarrior on September 21, 2019, 11:00:54 AM
Think people are underestlng just how effective he can become a dm player who can put the foot in ala vierra
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: garyshawsknee on September 21, 2019, 11:05:54 AM
Does anyone know if he has goals in his game ? Heard a stat yesterday that Arsenal have conceded more shots than anyone else, especially shots from distance. May be worth playing Connor or Luiz.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 21, 2019, 01:21:04 PM
He has three goals in 150 games. It's fair to say that he's less than prolific.

I might be tempted to try Hot Lips at left back. Extra threat from set pieces, then. Maybe try him in a home game rather than away to Arsenal, though.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: West Derby Villan on September 21, 2019, 01:24:43 PM
He has three goals in 150 games. It's fair to say that he's less than prolific.

I might be tempted to try Hot Lips at left back. Extra threat from set pieces, then. Maybe try him in a home game rather than away to Arsenal, though.

He recently played for Ireland at left back, apparently he will never play there again, according Mick McCarthy
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 21, 2019, 01:30:17 PM
Hot lips , Marvellous and Luis need to start .

some muscle in midfield and a set piece delivery expert who can score which we are struggling on.

Id temped to play Targett LB too . 
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 21, 2019, 01:40:28 PM
He has three goals in 150 games. It's fair to say that he's less than prolific.

I might be tempted to try Hot Lips at left back. Extra threat from set pieces, then. Maybe try him in a home game rather than away to Arsenal, though.

He recently played for Ireland at left back, apparently he will never play there again, according Mick McCarthy

Oh, that doesn't sound good.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 21, 2019, 02:27:46 PM
No he just meant that Conor wanted game time and McCarthy wanted to experiment with kids so he put him at Left Back to give him a game.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 21, 2019, 02:29:15 PM
Ah, I see.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: olaftab on September 21, 2019, 02:45:14 PM
I'd like to see him get another run out tomorrow. He looked useful last week and playing against decent opposition will improve him further.

I can see him scoring tomorrow, actually.
Well that would be Marvelous. (Sorry)
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Axl Rose on September 21, 2019, 03:28:29 PM
I'd like to see him get another run out tomorrow. He looked useful last week and playing against decent opposition will improve him further.

I can see him scoring tomorrow, actually.
Well that would be Marvelous. (Sorry)

:)
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Dave P on September 22, 2019, 03:06:05 PM
Looked like a poor man's version of Vierra. Not a bad comparison though.  Decent performance.


I thought he was like Reo-Coker. Grafted hard to win the ball to pass it to the opposition.

And I think they should have the same song. I can’t say his name with putting do do do in front of it like the conga.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Ads on September 22, 2019, 07:30:00 PM
Reminds me of Boateng. I like him.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: aev on September 22, 2019, 07:32:11 PM
I thought he was good today. I would like to see him and Luiz in midfield together.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on September 22, 2019, 08:04:07 PM


Looks decent.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Risso on September 22, 2019, 08:05:18 PM
Yes, another good game for Nakamba.  He's never going to set the world alight but he just does the dirty work with a minimum of fuss.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 22, 2019, 08:08:09 PM
I thought he was good today. I would like to see him and Luiz in midfield together.

I think as season goes on we must look at a central two of Luiz and Marvelous. Both physically decent and can move ball on quickly. Ahead McGinn, Grealish a little wider and one pace/touchline pace outlet in Trez/AEG. Oh and a new forward in January to alternate with Big Wes.

Think we'd look more balanced with that sort of set up, have more options on the bench to change games and hopefully that will get us over the line in May.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: OCD on September 22, 2019, 08:42:28 PM
I actually think Hourihane and Lansbury should be playing bigger roles than they currently are too.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Luke8 on September 23, 2019, 12:02:55 AM
I thought he was good today. I would like to see him and Luiz in midfield together.

I think as season goes on we must look at a central two of Luiz and Marvelous. Both physically decent and can move ball on quickly. Ahead McGinn, Grealish a little wider and one pace/touchline pace outlet in Trez/AEG. Oh and a new forward in January to alternate with Big Wes.

Think we'd look more balanced with that sort of set up, have more options on the bench to change games and hopefully that will get us over the line in May.

I can see the logic, but I would imagine that is pretty unlikely to happen. I can’t see Jack playing anywhere other than as a central midfielder and also think Smith see’s it as very much either Luiz or Marvelous for the DM role, not both.

Agree that we definitely need more/better options from the bench. Think we might look for another wide player as well as the striker you mention if possible in January.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: oldham_villa on September 23, 2019, 05:44:03 PM
He looks a little cracker, though i shit bricks when i saw him chest it and do keepy'up in our 6yard box
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on September 23, 2019, 05:45:23 PM
I like him a lot. Very comfortable on the ball.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Dazvillain on September 23, 2019, 05:51:57 PM
I actually think Hourihane and Lansbury should be playing bigger roles than they currently are too.
Agree, give jack a rest he thinks he’s got too much to prove. I don’t think Deano has balls to drop him or SJM to be honest but it needs to be done or take both wingers out and put jack wide.
Marvellous, Luiz, Connor plus Lansbury need more chance than just cup games.
Engels started well but he needs sharpening up now too so he needs dropping for Burnley too, poss replace with konsa

Some prima donnas need dropping now !
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on September 23, 2019, 06:05:18 PM
You're not serious?!
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Luke8 on September 23, 2019, 06:06:57 PM
I actually think Hourihane and Lansbury should be playing bigger roles than they currently are too.
Agree, give jack a rest he thinks he’s got too much to prove. I don’t think Deano has balls to drop him or SJM to be honest but it needs to be done or take both wingers out and put jack wide.
Marvellous, Luiz, Connor plus Lansbury need more chance than just cup games.
Engels started well but he needs sharpening up now too so he needs dropping for Burnley too, poss replace with konsa

Some prima donnas need dropping now !

Seriously?

I imagine Smith plays Jack rather than Hourihane or Lansbury because he is a significantly better player.
Engels has been excellent bar his mistake against Arsenal for the penalty. He should absolutely start against Burnley.

I’m not sure I would class  a single one of our players as prima donnas.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on September 23, 2019, 06:09:20 PM
I actually think Hourihane and Lansbury should be playing bigger roles than they currently are too.
Agree, give jack a rest he thinks he’s got too much to prove. I don’t think Deano has balls to drop him or SJM to be honest but it needs to be done or take both wingers out and put jack wide.
Marvellous, Luiz, Connor plus Lansbury need more chance than just cup games.
Engels started well but he needs sharpening up now too so he needs dropping for Burnley too, poss replace with konsa

Some prima donnas need dropping now !

Can't imagine disagreeing with a post more than this! Baffled
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Dazvillain on September 23, 2019, 06:13:58 PM
I actually think Hourihane and Lansbury should be playing bigger roles than they currently are too.
Agree, give jack a rest he thinks he’s got too much to prove. I don’t think Deano has balls to drop him or SJM to be honest but it needs to be done or take both wingers out and put jack wide.
Marvellous, Luiz, Connor plus Lansbury need more chance than just cup games.
Engels started well but he needs sharpening up now too so he needs dropping for Burnley too, poss replace with konsa

Some prima donnas need dropping now !

Seriously?

I imagine Smith plays Jack rather than Hourihane or Lansbury because he is a significantly better player.
Engels has been excellent bar his mistake against Arsenal for the penalty. He should absolutely start against Burnley.

I’m not sure I would class  a single one of our players as prima donnas.
Purely based on they’re getting paid decent wages and a player comes out from dressing g room to say there’s a lack of belief !? And rightly so Dean always says he thinks he can win every game or there’s no point....clearly a disparity between players and boss’ in just  a few games in disappoints me about my club.
I’ll still be there at the weekend though
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Dazvillain on September 23, 2019, 06:15:02 PM
And in fairness to marvellous let’s get back to topic, sorry
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: OCD on September 23, 2019, 08:15:42 PM
I know this is getting a bit off topic but I would have probably just put Jack and SJM into wide positions when we needed some fresh legs in the centre of the pitch. Hourihane's and Lansbury's experience and fresh legs may have helped in the last half hour rather just giving them 10 minutes or whatever it was.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 23, 2019, 10:31:41 PM
Marvelous was great yesterday.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: ROBBO on September 23, 2019, 10:57:45 PM
Agree but somewhat surprised.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: paul_e on September 23, 2019, 11:43:14 PM
I know this is getting a bit off topic but I would have probably just put Jack and SJM into wide positions when we needed some fresh legs in the centre of the pitch. Hourihane's and Lansbury's experience and fresh legs may have helped in the last half hour rather just giving them 10 minutes or whatever it was.

On Sunday I'd have done exactly this, Take both wingers off, Bring on Houri and Lansbury and push Jack and John higher to really press on the back 4 and Xhaka, I'd have swapped Wesley for Davis as well, again, for the extra energy and pressing.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: ChicagoLion on September 23, 2019, 11:56:21 PM
I know this is getting a bit off topic but I would have probably just put Jack and SJM into wide positions when we needed some fresh legs in the centre of the pitch. Hourihane's and Lansbury's experience and fresh legs may have helped in the last half hour rather just giving them 10 minutes or whatever it was.

On Sunday I'd have done exactly this, Take both wingers off, Bring on Houri and Lansbury and push Jack and John higher to really press on the back 4 and Xhaka, I'd have swapped Wesley for Davis as well, again, for the extra energy and pressing.
Yep
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Dogtanian on September 24, 2019, 06:55:18 AM
Thought keeping Marvelous in the starting eleven was a big call, to be honest.  Was a very big game for his second ever appearance in the Premier League, but fair play to the lad he’s took his chance really well.

Feel a bit sorry for Luis, but then that’s the modern squad system and it’s up to him now to go out and prove he’s the better option.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Clark W Griswold on September 24, 2019, 11:48:38 AM
Yep, i'm in the fuck the wingers off, play a 4-5-1 with more of a free role for 3 attacking midfielders and see how we go with that. We need to be able to keep hold of the ball better, it will help in that regard, and lets face it, the wide players were pretty much crap all of last season and remain so this season.
Nakamba, Douglas, Hourahane, McGinn and Grealish.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: OCD on September 24, 2019, 01:20:21 PM
I don't think paul_e or I are completely writing the wingers off, we're just saying that with the context of Sunday's game that would have been a good change to make when we were starting to lose our shape and not retaining the ball well. You're still getting the benefit of Jack and John and giving them the license to get forward more and to have pushed Arsenal back and they may have been able to finish them off. Having Hourihane on the pitch would have helped with set pieces also.

Changing Wesley for Davis would have been an option but the way they were giving the ball away, you could have had Drogba at his best up top and we would have struggled to hold the ball up.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Clark W Griswold on September 24, 2019, 02:35:28 PM
I wouldn't blame you if you were. We are getting nothing back from them at the moment, they're not creating, they're not getting to the byline and stretching the opposition, they're losing the ball constantly which keeps coming back down the field putting pressure on the rest of the team and they're too far away from Wesley for effective link up play which he's absolutely capable of. If we keep playing this way with the wingers putting in that level of performance we're going to be in trouble.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: darren woolley on September 24, 2019, 04:24:14 PM
I really like Marvelous he's a going to be a really top player.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: paul_e on September 24, 2019, 07:41:28 PM
I'm definitely not writing them off, I thought Trez played really well on Sunday and whilst AEG wasn't great he did put a good ball in for the first goal. His issue is that he takes too many touches and looks indecisive, if he trusted his ability more he'd be a much bigger threat.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: in exile on September 25, 2019, 08:15:57 AM
I really like Marvelous he's a going to be a really top player.

I think so too.
I also think we will used as a stepping stone again, also
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: OCD on September 25, 2019, 01:02:07 PM
I really like Marvelous he's a going to be a really top player.

I think so too.
I also think we will used as a stepping stone again, also

I don't have a problem with that if we get £30-40m for him and then get the next one in for about £10m. It's often the recruitment side that we've not been good enough at in the past.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Luke8 on September 25, 2019, 02:35:18 PM
I really like Marvelous he's a going to be a really top player.

I think so too.
I also think we will used as a stepping stone again, also

I don't have a problem with that if we get £30-40m for him and then get the next one in for about £10m. It's often the recruitment side that we've not been good enough at in the past.

Very early to be worrying about that, given that he has only started three games.

However it is nice that, I feel at least, for the first time in a long time we have a group of people in charge that would get a deal very much on our terms and also, crucially, have contingency plans in place long before it might get to this. 
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 05, 2019, 05:37:30 PM
All over the place again today. Just a superb display.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Villafirst on October 05, 2019, 05:54:14 PM
I really like Marvelous he's a going to be a really top player.

I think so too.
I also think we will used as a stepping stone again, also

I don't have a problem with that if we get £30-40m for him and then get the next one in for about £10m. It's often the recruitment side that we've not been good enough at in the past.

A bit daft to be thinking he'll be looking to move!  The owners can turn down big money as they're mega rich!
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Monty on October 05, 2019, 05:58:06 PM
I really like Marvelous he's a going to be a really top player.

I think so too.
I also think we will used as a stepping stone again, also

I don't have a problem with that if we get £30-40m for him and then get the next one in for about £10m. It's often the recruitment side that we've not been good enough at in the past.

A bit daft to be thinking he'll be looking to move!  The owners can turn down big money as they're mega rich!

The club still needs to be sustainable if we want to play in Europe at some point down the road.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: tomd2103 on October 05, 2019, 06:02:00 PM
Getting better with every game.  Looks a good find.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Dogtanian on October 05, 2019, 06:45:11 PM
Loved watching him today, brilliant signing.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 05, 2019, 11:26:46 PM
Really important player. Doing the simple things well is so much more difficult than it looks, vital in any team.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: LukeJames on October 05, 2019, 11:33:08 PM
Everywhere, breaking up play, getting his foot in, tracking back, accurate passing. Early impressions are we have a right player on our hands here.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: wittonwarrior on October 05, 2019, 11:57:09 PM
He loves the villa and we love him
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: OzVilla on October 06, 2019, 12:15:41 AM
Broke up play, turned us around and got us going forward. Didn’t try to overplay once. Very encouraging performance.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: brentastonb6 on October 06, 2019, 12:45:52 AM
I really like Marvelous he's a going to be a really top player.

I think so too.
I also think we will used as a stepping stone again, also

I don't have a problem with that if we get £30-40m for him and then get the next one in for about £10m. It's often the recruitment side that we've not been good enough at in the past.

A bit daft to be thinking he'll be looking to move!  The owners can turn down big money as they're mega rich!

The club still needs to be sustainable if we want to play in Europe at some point down the road.

We are more than sustainable with the revenue streams we are now bringing in plus the potential we have to increase that.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Clampy on October 06, 2019, 10:19:17 AM
I thought he was excellent yesterday. It's early days but it looks like we have picked up another very good player for a modest fee. People are quick enough sometimes to knock the scouting when signings don't come off so it's only fair to say a well done when they spot players like this.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: olaftab on October 06, 2019, 10:22:27 AM
You have to be good to keep Luiz out of the team. Well done to the lad....again.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: exigo on October 06, 2019, 10:41:30 AM
Good to hear him getting a new chant as well. Quality player the whole game yesterday.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Ian. on October 06, 2019, 10:55:05 AM
What a player we have and another real good character. Our recruiting team have found some real gems haven’t they?
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: eamonn on October 06, 2019, 10:58:54 AM
It seems he really is marvellous.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Mister E on October 06, 2019, 11:02:04 AM
Him and Luiz are going to be awesome this season, hopefully playng alongside each other.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: themossman on October 06, 2019, 12:28:39 PM
Him and luiz are really different players. Marvelous is so high energy, great play spoiler and we recycle the ball much quicker with him in the side. He’s a much clearer version of the CDM we were lacking.

Luiz is a slower, more creative player, more likely to wait a few beats and do something special.

I‘d be surprised us we don’t end up playing them together quite a bit.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: CT on October 06, 2019, 01:36:05 PM
I watched him and Wes really closely yesterday.

The fact that both were excellent was instrumental in the fact we played so well and won.

He was magnificent, and the smile on his face when his (proper) song was being sung was a sight to see!
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Percy McCarthy on October 06, 2019, 01:58:30 PM
Anyone got any footage of the idiots singing the racist song about him?

Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: kieron on October 06, 2019, 02:06:28 PM
https://twitter.com/adamAVFC/status/1180576941025288192
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Risso on October 06, 2019, 02:07:14 PM
I'd rather not give them the oxygen of publicity, but if you want to see them, it's in the Twitter clip below.


https://twitter.com/adamAVFC/status/1180576941025288192
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: garyshawsknee on October 06, 2019, 02:11:27 PM
I saw it online earlier, very embarrassing and grim. These kids need to go back to school and learn why that's unacceptable.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Percy McCarthy on October 06, 2019, 02:29:03 PM
Thanks. Understand your concerns Risso, had a text asking me about it so was curious.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: frank black on October 06, 2019, 02:34:46 PM
That’s an absolute disgrace of a chant. I would like all of those kids banned from any Villa game.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Iamkmkm on October 06, 2019, 02:38:19 PM
Cracking player, i love watching players like him on the pitch, whit his heart on a sleeve.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: VILLA MOLE on October 06, 2019, 02:43:38 PM
Cracking player, i love watching players like him on the pitch, whit his heart on a sleeve.



Worrr Brucey would have loved him
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: themossman on October 06, 2019, 02:44:12 PM
That’s an absolute disgrace of a chant. I would like all of those kids banned from any Villa game.

Thick as shit waste of oxygen twats.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: BC Villain on October 06, 2019, 02:53:42 PM
2019 and this crap is still happening.   Sad and shameful
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 06, 2019, 02:58:59 PM
That chant is an embarrassment.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: LukeJames on October 06, 2019, 03:01:59 PM
The massive dick trend in songs is just fucking weird but that Mcginn master line is horrendous. How can anybody think thats a good idea to sing.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Axl Rose on October 06, 2019, 03:03:13 PM
What utter ******
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: clash city rocker on October 06, 2019, 03:08:54 PM
If certain seniors had a word the idiots would soon stop it. Fuckin idiots are bringing us down to the knuckledraggers level.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on October 06, 2019, 03:19:12 PM
If certain seniors had a word the idiots would soon stop it. Fuckin idiots are bringing us down to the knuckledraggers level.

Exactly. It needs stopping at source.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Pete3206 on October 06, 2019, 03:27:55 PM
Who are these certain seniors?
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: clash city rocker on October 06, 2019, 03:32:12 PM
Who are these certain seniors?

If you are like me over 40... .well over 50....then us.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: frank black on October 06, 2019, 03:44:11 PM
Their parents would be a good start, but I guess that ship has probably sailed.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: paul_e on October 06, 2019, 04:31:07 PM
The worst thing about that chant is the twats on facebook and twitter saying there's nothing racist about it and this is just the snowflakes being offended by everything. I don't understand how anyone could be so stupid as to not see how that's racist.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 06, 2019, 04:40:51 PM
The worst thing about that chant is the twats on facebook and twitter saying there's nothing racist about it and this is just the snowflakes being offended by everything. I don't understand how anyone could be so stupid as to not see how that's racist.

Sadly there are a lot of absolute fucking morons out there. As a related aside I also hate the term “snowflake”. Generally it’s used by complete bigots trying to justify their hateful opinions.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: villabear on October 06, 2019, 05:35:29 PM
Just bantz init?

Fucking awful. If you’re singing this and you don’t think this isn’t racist you’re a twat, end of.

And sigh.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Mister E on October 06, 2019, 07:48:22 PM
Who are these certain seniors?
there were several oldies chanting bullshit stuff about Konsa yesterday.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Ian. on October 06, 2019, 07:52:17 PM
Those FB groups are so vile, I left one years ago but asked to join one again recently, hoping to find a live stream. After being accepted I had to leave straight away. It’s horrible. The slightest mention or criticism of anything racial and the clans steam in with that snowflake bollocks.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: purpletrousers on October 06, 2019, 08:44:42 PM
All sorts of horrible chant. What’s the acceptable one btw, I can’t think of it?

On a more positive note, I’m not sure this got shared?: 


https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-marvelous-nakamba-arsenal-16957303

'Life was not easy' The amazing Marvelous Nakamba story every Aston Villa fan should read

Aston Villa player interview | The Zimbabwean star's mum worked hundreds of miles away in South Africa to buy Nakamba his first pair of Puma boots while supporting the family back in Bulawayo
BY ASHLEY PREECE
22:30, 21 SEP 2019UPDATED21:27, 20 SEP 2019
From not being able to afford football boots to gracing the Premier League - the story of Aston Villa's smiling midfielder Marvelous Nakamba is truly humbling.

For the Zimbabwean owes everything to his hardworking mum, Charity, a maid who spent months at a time hundreds of miles away in South Africa to help support her family at their one-room rented home in Bulawayo.

"I was born in Hwange but grew up in Bulawayo," Nakamba told BirminghamLive , "the second-largest city in Zimbabwe. Life was not so easy but, with football, it made me enjoy life. It helped me a lot.

"Football kept me out of other things, it was not an easy life. It made everything look easy because I was playing football.

"My mother was working in South Africa so she could support me, buying me football boots and everything, my first boots were Puma. She was there for me.

"She'd come back home every three or four months to visit for two, three weeks after being at work and did that again and again. She had to do that to provide for the family. I stayed with my dad, Anthony. It helped me focus more, to give everything to succeed in football for my family, for everyone around me. It helped me grow up. To be satisfied with what I have, to give hunger to what I want, giving everything for my family.

"My mother was a maid in South Africa. My younger brother, Junior, was so young, staying with my auntie in another city, Victoria Falls."

The Villa star's quirky first name was born thanks to parents Charity and Anthony who, Nakamba admitted, were so excited that they called him Marvelous because, well, it was marvelous news. "My name came from my parents," he said. "My young brother is called Junior. My son will be called Junior Marvelous! But I think they were excited maybe, that's why they gave the name Marvelous. We learn English at school, they understood what it meant."

Back at Bodymoor Heath, though, and Nakamba had just finished training alongside his new teammates ahead of Sunday's test at the Emirates against Arsenal. The softly-spoken 25-year-old kept reiterating the importance of "pushing and pushing" himself, a mantra he's been doing ever since playing the beautiful game on the streets and sandy pitches back in Bulawayo, the birth place in fact of Coventry City legend Peter Ndlovu.

"In football, there are no limits, there's no limit for room for improvement, it's about giving everything," explained Nakamba, knowing just how far he's come in life. "I was doing what I loved, playing with friends. The pitches were difficult, playing in the streets. Before it was like playing in the sand.

"To help that dream, you said, 'OK, if we can do it here, then there is possibilities to do it on good pitches'. Everyone is looking up to me. Every time I go home it's like impossible is nothing, you just need to believe. You have the three Ds: discipline, dedication and determination. They are the keys.

"Everyone follows the Premier League. They were very happy for me coming to the best league. Peter Ndlovu is someone I know very well, someone I look up to and, every time I go home, I visit him.

"I was with him six months back in the off season. He's a real role model. Also, I speak to Benjani who played for City and Portsmouth.

"[Ndlovu] was encouraging me to push hard in Belgium so I could go to a better league and he was preferring England, hoping and willing I could make it. He said he would like me to go to England, it would be best for career. I must continue to work hard."

Nakamba, meanwhile, was thrust into the Premier League spotlight last week as Dean Smith handed him his big-league debut against West Ham United. The ex-Club Brugge man performed admirably early on before a lack of match fitness told late on.

Speaking about his start to life at Villa, Nakamba said: "So far so good. Everything has been fantastic. There's always room for improvement. I'll push and push myself and get better and better.

"My teammate's did everything for me. Jacky [Grealish] was speaking to me in training and John [McGinn] as well before the game. The group is fantastic, we're all there for each other."

Finally, though, and for the record, Nakamba quickly dismissed wild reports circulating in the summer suggesting he'd gone on strike at Brugge in a bid to force a move to Villa, something that, quite frankly, did not happen.

"I don't know how that come up," he said, bemused. "I was not on strike. I had the African Cup of Nations and, after the match against Egypt, I had a small knock in training, that's why I didn't play the last two games against DR Congo or Uganda. After that I was resting. The club gave me permission to rest, it was an extended holiday."

Nakamba is not the sort, either, far from it in fact. The star from Zimbabwe is as gentle and as warm-hearted as they come - a man who's had it so tough but, now he's at a Villa, he'll be working harder than anybody to, as he puts it, "get better and better".

Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: kentishvillan on October 06, 2019, 08:45:22 PM
I’m a lover of this site but rarely post. However, this has made my blood boil. I had the misfortune to witness the Konsa song being sung about 2.40 and felt embarrassed. Had I heard this latest offering I would have exploded with anger. In particular, to not understand the racist implication of the “master” reference you’d have had to have been living on the moon for the past 50 years. As an aside, I spotted the twat in that video in the (fake) Burberry scarf and navy baseball cap verbally abusing a Norwich fan on the other side of the fence at full-time, shouting “you saggy faced old c#nt” repeatedly. And the age of the target of his foul-mouthed abuse ? Must have been 70 if he was a day. Sometimes I despair at what this country has become......
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: purpletrousers on October 06, 2019, 08:46:20 PM
Haha just noticed the meaning evil link autocorrect, good work.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: purpletrousers on October 06, 2019, 08:51:33 PM
I’m a lover of this site but rarely post. However, this has made my blood boil. I had the misfortune to witness the Konsa song being sung about 2.40 and felt embarrassed. Had I heard this latest offering I would have exploded with anger. In particular, to not understand the racist implication of the “master” reference you’d have had to have been living on the moon for the past 50 years. As an aside, I spotted the twat in that video in the (fake) Burberry scarf and navy baseball cap verbally abusing a Norwich fan on the other side of the fence at full-time, shouting “you saggy faced old c#nt” repeatedly. And the age of the target of his foul-mouthed abuse ? Must have been 70 if he was a day. Sometimes I despair at what this country has become......

Sad to read this. There has to be a balance of us pulling each other up, but sometimes (perhaps faced with such mindless aggression, possibly substance fuelled) we are going to need stewards to step in, and have read (hopefully old) stories of this not happening. This feels like material for fans forum/a meeting with the club?
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Steve67 on October 06, 2019, 09:01:39 PM
Whatever it was we paid for him already looks a bargain doesn't it? 
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: purpletrousers on October 06, 2019, 09:02:23 PM
Ok I just consulted chantwatch thread...

Nice to hear Wesley and Marvelous getting recognition for fine performances yesterday with new chants. And there was definitely a bit of traction behind Tyrone's 6'4" chant on the concourse as well.

Your defence is terrified, 'cos Wesley's on fire
Your defence is terrified, 'cos Wesley's on fire
Your defence is terrified, 'cos Wesley's on fire
Your defence is terrified, 'cos Wesley's on fire
Ooh, La la la la la...

Du du du Marvelous Nakamba
Du du du Marvelous Nakamba

La la la la la la la la, la la
La la la la la la la la, la la
He's six foot four, he's in the air
He's here, he's there, he's everywhere
Tyrone Mings is Villa's centre half
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Clampy on October 07, 2019, 07:07:14 AM
The original Konza song was for me just very very shit lazy stererotyping. I can understand why people didn't like it but I don't think there was any hate or malice intended. That's not to mean it was ok to sing. 

The new new one though is just shocking. I can only presume two things. The chap who came up with it just rhymed rasta and master and didn't think anything of it because he's clueless or he knew exactly what he was doing when he wrote it. Either way it's pretty embarrassing really. We normally tend to do about 10-12 away games a season. We've not done one so far this time and I can't say I'm missing it that much.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Scratchins on October 07, 2019, 08:22:25 AM
I go to every away and I have not heard this - yet, but I do go to the seats before the beer gets thrown around.
It is awful and in no way do I want to defend it but I wonder if they realise what they are singing or have picked phrases up from popular music without the education to understand the implications.
I do not feel that I would be listened to but perhaps someone could have a quiet word and enlighten them.
Or am I being naive?
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: purpletrousers on October 07, 2019, 01:45:33 PM
Just pasted the club statement into the chantwatch thread.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Mister E on October 07, 2019, 03:16:09 PM

The new new one though is just shocking. I can only presume two things. The chap who came up with it ... he knew exactly what he was doing when he wrote it.
This is the worrying thing because it is classic recruitment of the unwary into a world of stereotyped racism.
It stinks and should be called out by us, the silent majority; not necessarily by putting ourselves at risk but least by verbally blocking it.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 07, 2019, 04:18:01 PM
I go to every away and I have not heard this - yet, but I do go to the seats before the beer gets thrown around.
It is awful and in no way do I want to defend it but I wonder if they realise what they are singing or have picked phrases up from popular music without the education to understand the implications.
I do not feel that I would be listened to but perhaps someone could have a quiet word and enlighten them.
Or am I being naive?

I suspect there's an element of this (lack of education), at least for the 'McGinn's his master' line.

However, not sure how much being thick is an excuse for being racist.

The club have absolutely responded the right way and it is just a shame that two days after a great, much needed away win, we're having to waste time with idiots chanting racist shite.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: hilts_coolerking on October 07, 2019, 04:28:32 PM
Of course it's not football's problem, it's society's bah blah blah fuckin blah.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Risso on October 07, 2019, 04:34:45 PM
Anyway, let's get back to saying what a superb player Marvelous is shaping up to be. Wins the ball back effortlessly, but then nearly always tries something ambitious to start an attack off.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: villabear on October 07, 2019, 04:51:01 PM
The story has gone national now with the Guardian etc taking up the story. Quotes from the Kick it out campaign. Let’s hope the idiots who were involved are happy now people are talking about the club in such poor circumstances. They’ll probably see it as a badge of honour though.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: tomd2103 on October 07, 2019, 05:35:51 PM
I go to every away and I have not heard this - yet, but I do go to the seats before the beer gets thrown around.
It is awful and in no way do I want to defend it but I wonder if they realise what they are singing or have picked phrases up from popular music without the education to understand the implications.
I do not feel that I would be listened to but perhaps someone could have a quiet word and enlighten them.
Or am I being naive?

I suspect there's an element of this (lack of education), at least for the 'McGinn's his master' line.

However, not sure how much being thick is an excuse for being racist.

The club have absolutely responded the right way and it is just a shame that two days after a great, much needed away win, we're having to waste time with idiots chanting racist shite.

Haven't been to an away game yet this season and do my utmost to try and avoid the Burberry clad masses, so haven't heard either song at a game yet.  I do recall, however, walking to a game down Trinity Road a few seasons ago and hearing a group (including a few girls I might add) singing something about Jon Kodjia's todger. 

Like you Paulie, I don't imagine that the people singing these type of songs are being deliberately offensive, just lack that bit of awareness to see how it can be perceived as offensive.  I can't imagine (and genuinely hope it is not the case) that someone has come up with a song that refers to one of our players being the "master"of another one in the context of slavery.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Legion on October 07, 2019, 05:49:21 PM
I'd rather not give them the oxygen of publicity, but if you want to see them, it's in the Twitter clip below.


https://twitter.com/adamAVFC/status/1180576941025288192

That is shocking.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Steve67 on October 07, 2019, 07:57:06 PM
I'm ashamed to be associated with idiots like that.  I hope the chant dies quickly as it is disgusting.  Please, please stop it.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on October 07, 2019, 07:58:01 PM
How anyone on any level would think this song would do us a good service as a club, or, worse ingratiate ourselves with a potentially brilliant player defies belief.  Sad world at times.  We now look like we are racist to our own players.  Fcuk sake.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Nunkin1965 on October 07, 2019, 08:14:35 PM
Disgusting.
Stupid pathetic knobs.
If anyone is identified they should be banned for life.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on October 07, 2019, 08:42:29 PM
It's the same at almost every away game....a very small group of about 16 year olds, a bit pissed and inhibitions lost after 2 pints of Heineken before they start throwing the 3rd pint over anyone in the vicinity. Embarrassing.
They'll be back at school on Monday morning telling their mates what a great time they've had and how brave they were.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on October 07, 2019, 08:43:30 PM
BTW, Marvelous is bloody magic!
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Havencheese on October 07, 2019, 09:08:22 PM
Not only is it ultimately offensive but the words to it have been cobbled together horribly, it sounds awkward too. Shitful in every way you could imagine.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Nastylee on October 07, 2019, 10:25:21 PM
A chant with the wit of 13 year old on a school playground. It's such a shame that these dozen or so idiots have besmirched the club and its supporters. To get chucked into the same pot as perennial racists is embarrassing.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Dogtanian on October 08, 2019, 07:44:59 PM
Where and who was singing this song? Cos we didn’t hear it at the game so we were puzzled when we saw the headlines.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 08, 2019, 08:03:29 PM
Where and who was singing this song? Cos we didn’t hear it at the game so we were puzzled when we saw the headlines.

https://twitter.com/adamAVFC/status/1180576941025288192
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on October 08, 2019, 08:23:53 PM
I heard it at Palace and Arsenal. It's deeply sinister. The Konsa version - would people be singing about a young substitute unless they were on some level excited about being publicly racist?
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: SamTheMouse on October 08, 2019, 08:57:02 PM
Nakamba, McGinn and Grealish is a seriously good midfield. Really.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: john e on October 08, 2019, 09:03:10 PM
Nakamba, McGinn and Grealish is a seriously good midfield. Really.

throw in Luiz and it’s potentially the best we’ve had for many a year
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on October 08, 2019, 09:11:34 PM
Nakamba, McGinn and Grealish is a seriously good midfield. Really.

throw in Luiz and it’s potentially the best we’ve had for many a year
That's exactly what I'd do too!
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: paul_e on October 08, 2019, 11:27:27 PM
Nakamba, McGinn and Grealish is a seriously good midfield. Really.

throw in Luiz and it’s potentially the best we’ve had for many a year
That's exactly what I'd do too!

As 4 of the 5 with AEG and Trez rotating for the other spot I think that's a very strong and there's a few decent options as backup for them as well.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Monty on October 09, 2019, 12:16:14 AM
Nakamba, McGinn and Grealish is a seriously good midfield. Really.

throw in Luiz and it’s potentially the best we’ve had for many a year
That's exactly what I'd do too!

As 4 of the 5 with AEG and Trez rotating for the other spot I think that's a very strong and there's a few decent options as backup for them as well.

Who knows if he'll keep it up, but I wouldn't understate how good Hourihane has been since he came in. He might not have the Elite Midfielder Look but he consistently creates chances, which at this level is real gold-dust.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: paul_e on October 09, 2019, 07:29:42 AM
Nakamba, McGinn and Grealish is a seriously good midfield. Really.

throw in Luiz and it’s potentially the best we’ve had for many a year
That's exactly what I'd do too!

As 4 of the 5 with AEG and Trez rotating for the other spot I think that's a very strong and there's a few decent options as backup for them as well.

Who knows if he'll keep it up, but I wouldn't understate how good Hourihane has been since he came in. He might not have the Elite Midfielder Look but he consistently creates chances, which at this level is real gold-dust.

I agree but I think he drifts out of games for long periods as well, which is why he'd been on the fringes of the squad until the last couple of matches. However I'm perfectly happy with us rotating that midfield a little because I'd trust any of them to come off the bench and have a positive impact as well.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: purpletrousers on October 09, 2019, 02:52:16 PM
https://theathletic.co.uk/1276628/2019/10/09/aston-villa-marvelous-nakamba-how-he-was-first-spotted/

Quote

How a youth tournament in Dallas sparked Nakamba’s journey to the Premier League

By Gregg Evans  Oct 8, 2019

Marvelous Nakamba was so good as a teenager that he earned his life-changing move from Africa to Europe despite playing in a make-or-break youth-team tournament while battling the flu.

It can be revealed that Aston Villa’s in-form summer signing was spotted playing for Bantu Rovers at the 2012 Dallas Cup in the United States by a scout who convinced French side AS Nancy to offer him a breakthrough.

But that’s only half the story as the Zimbabwean side — the first African team to enter the under-19 competition in 20 years — faced exasperating difficulties that almost ended their participation.

Visa complications initially prevented Bantu Rovers from competing but co-owner Peter Grieve, an American investor who had worked tirelessly to secure their entry, made the magic happen and that allowed Nakamba, albeit a shadow of himself in the contest because of illness, to realise his dreams.

“Marvelous was the best player in our team. He was also the only player to be signed up from that trip as he moved to Nancy soon after,” Grieve told The Athletic. “We actually thought he had a bad tournament, though, because he had a bad cold throughout, but I suppose his quality came through.”

Nakamba has shone for Villa in recent weeks and was the stand-out performer in their last two games against Burnley and Norwich.

It’s not been an easy journey, though, as his upbringing was tough.

Nakamba left the small coal-mining town of Hwange during his school years and moved to Njube, a high-density suburb of Zimbabwe’s second-biggest city, Bulawayo.

Bantu Rovers spotted him playing football in his local neighbourhood and offered not only the platform to nurture his talent, but also financial support to continue his education. Part of the deal to join them was an agreement to teach children how to avoid contracting HIV and AIDS through football drills with a linked health organisation called Grassroot Soccer (GRS). But more on that later.

When the midfielder was given the chance to showcase his talent in the USA at the Dallas Cup, he didn’t let the opportunity pass.

Grieve told The Athletic how Bantu Rovers’ high-flying under-19 team earned an invite to the Texas event after three years of competitive action without a defeat.

Not only did they hold their own in the tournament — reaching their section’s semi-finals — but four members of that team, including prized asset Nakamba, would end up representing Zimbabwe at Africa Cup of Nations 2019 seven years later.

“It was touch and go, but we got there,” said general manager Wilbert Sibanda.

Grieve, founder and managing partner of private investment company Windy River Group, played a huge part in getting the team over to the States.

He invested in the club and paid for the flights. The Dallas Cup organisers then found host families for the players to stay with during their two weeks in the States, with help from some unpaid volunteers who also assist with management at the club.

“We knew we had a golden generation of talent who deserved the chance to test themselves against other top teams in their age category,” Grieve added. “When I found out about the Dallas Cup — one of the most prestigious youth tournaments in the world — I just had to make it happen for us.

“That said, we had so many problems trying to get the visas because the State Department were concerned that some of the players might not go back. I assured the officials that they would all be returning (which they did) and gave them a personal guarantee.

“It was a wonderful feeling when we got the all-clear. We made a kitbag for all the players with their individual shirts and it felt like Christmas such were the grins on their faces.”

Current England internationals Jesse Lingard and Michael Keane competed in that same 2012 tournament for a Manchester United academy team who ended up as runners-up in its Super Group. Meanwhile, Bantu Rovers impressed in the next category down — especially Nakamba, who has since turned out for Nancy, Dutch club Vitesse Arnhem and now Villa, joining in August from Belgium’s Club Brugge for £12 million.

Sibanda explained further on why that Dallas Cup trip was so special, adding: “We had a squad of just 14 players and they managed to get through five 90-minute games in seven days! Other teams had a full squad. When you factor in the travelling, the change of scenery and the climate, that’s so impressive, because we were the only African team there.

“It was a real eye-opener for the boys but they loved it. The host families who they stayed with also didn’t want them to leave at the end of the tournament. They were telling us how friendly, polite and well-mannered our boys were.

“Obviously for Marv it was so important because he was signed up by Nancy soon after.”

After the tournament, Bantu Rovers ditched their senior team and focused solely on youth development. Students now have a passage into prep schools in New England, USA on scholarships.

“While we always want to develop the next Marvelous, we recognise that only a small minority of our players can pursue this path, so an education does more to ensure a better life for them,” says Grieve.

Three other players from that 2012 team — Teenage Hadebe, Kudakwashe Mahachi and Danny Phiri — all joined Nakamba in turning pro, though, and all four made the Zimbabwe squad for this summer’s Africa Cup of Nations.

Not only have that group found international fame, they also played a part in raising awareness of AIDS and HIV during their younger years back home as part of a link-up with GRS, an adolescent-health organisation that uses football to educate and inspire at-risk youth in developing countries.

During football camps, Nakamba would spend 10 hours a week teaching youngsters how to improve their on-field skills but also explain about HIV in more detail.

Former Zimbabwe captain Methembe Ndlovu, who co-owns Bantu Rovers with Grieve and is also the co-founder of GRS, came up with the idea.

The football drills Nakamba would often be involved in were varied. As an example. coaches (Nakamba and other Bantu Rovers team-mates) set up cones in front of a goal for the players (the young children) to dribble through and then shoot.

Each child would then have to repeat the run with their legs tied to another player and arms also interlocked. The number of players interlocked then increased to three, and then four, and so on…

“It was a drill to drive home the message that the more partners (referring to sexual partners) you have, the more difficult it is to get through life in a clean fashion,” said Grieve. “It certainly works.”



Another drill involves a tennis ball with ‘HIV’ written on it. One player stands in front of the rest of the group who pass the ball between them behind their backs. The middle player can only see the hands moving but has to guess who has the ball.

“The kid in the centre obviously will not know for sure which player is holding the ball,” Grieve continued. “The point that is driven across is that we need to demystify HIV. You cannot tell, just by looking at someone, if they have it, so you have to be aware when getting involved with that person. You also cannot be judgemental of people in the community if they do have HIV, either.

“It’s about helping the community understand and Marv was great at all that.”

Grieve, the man who provides the financial backing, describes business partner Ndlovu as the ‘‘sweat equity partner” and the “heart and soul of Bantu”.

“It was Methembe who decided on the coaching scheme,” Greive added. “He also insisted that fostering education was to be a tenet of our club, so we provide books, school uniforms, as well as school fees for our players.

“It was also his network of coaches, relationships with school administrators, and his renowned role model skills that made him such a great recruiter of talent.  He was and still is Marv’s mentor. They are very close.”

Already a superstar in his country, Nakamba is quickly becoming a claret and blue hero, too. Football fans in Zimbabwe gather to watch his games and put rivalries aside — the majority follow Manchester United — to cheer on their nation’s only Premier League representative.

Humble, well-mannered and caring, Nakamba has settled in with ease at Villa. The Athletic understands he sends a large chunk of his wages back home to his mother and he still keeps in touch with the Bantu Rovers officials who helped him on his way.

“Whenever he’s back in Zimbabwe, he will come and see us, smiling, and bringing positive energy,” added Sibanda.

Nakamba is inspiring not only his team, but his nation, and there’s already so much excitement surrounding the next step in his journey.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Small Rodent on October 09, 2019, 03:48:26 PM
Clever way of teaching about HIV!
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Hookeysmith on October 09, 2019, 04:12:54 PM
I think we have a proper gem on our hands

Already heard mentioned as a hybrid of Kante and Idrissa Gaye - now that really would be a player
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: frank on October 09, 2019, 04:54:40 PM
An inspiring article, purple. Thanks for posting
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: purpletrousers on October 09, 2019, 05:27:08 PM
An inspiring article, purple. Thanks for posting

Glad to share. I took one for the team a couple of pages back for the meaning evil article too, worth a read and may have been been missed amongst all the noise about the chant.

I’m really excited about Marv, you do get the feel of him being a humble big hearted guy and given his background and experiences I’m confident he’s a genuinely good guy and personality to have in the group.

There’s plenty online about him, some nice quotes about how proud his Dad was about his move to us and how the family had never dreamed of seeing Europe, getting out of a one bed house etc.

Crucially for the club it does seem we have some quality recruiting going on, as Hookey says we’ve unearthed a real gem by the look of it. Trying to take the bigger perspective the strength in depth of our midfield and to a degree defence gives me confidence about staying up, hopefully with Grealish further forward too the attack won’t look the weakest link...
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: West Derby Villan on October 09, 2019, 08:22:35 PM
Yeah thanks for sharing this and other articles, much appreciated Purple. Agree he's got huge potential and the scouting system seems to have got their act together.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Three Spires Villa on October 14, 2019, 12:16:38 PM
He is bloody, well “Marvelous” seriously at Norwich I thought he was very good. Hope his form continues
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Hookeysmith on October 14, 2019, 01:04:06 PM
Its funny that we were all excited about landing Luiz as he came with a pretty impressive reputation but little was known about Marvellous so for him to get in and establish himself so soon is a credit to his hard work and dedication.

Really pleased our scouting team know what they are doing
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: UK Redsox on October 16, 2019, 02:21:46 PM
Does Marv not play for Zimbabwe anymore ?

I see that they have a game on Sunday
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on October 16, 2019, 02:45:29 PM
Its funny that we were all excited about landing Luiz as he came with a pretty impressive reputation but little was known about Marvellous so for him to get in and establish himself so soon is a credit to his hard work and dedication.

Really pleased our scouting team know what they are doing

Wasn't the story Dean went to check out Wesley and noticed Marvelous playing a blinder?
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Three Spires Villa on October 16, 2019, 03:47:17 PM
Its funny that we were all excited about landing Luiz as he came with a pretty impressive reputation but little was known about Marvellous so for him to get in and establish himself so soon is a credit to his hard work and dedication.

Really pleased our scouting team know what they are doing

Absolutely good point
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 16, 2019, 07:23:17 PM
Does Marv not play for Zimbabwe anymore ?

I see that they have a game on Sunday

He hasn't played in any of their games since the African Cup of Nations. Not sure why. I think maybe he'll be back in when they have more challenging games (although they weren't far off a shock elimination by Somalia without him).

The end of this article suggests he will be back playing for Zimbabwe in the near future...

https://www.thestandard.co.zw/2019/10/06/nakambas-marvelous-start-aston-villa/amp/
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Steve67 on October 16, 2019, 09:14:51 PM
Given what happened in Bulgaria, I hope our 'fans' who sing that awful song about Marvelous, think twice.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Dogtanian on October 17, 2019, 07:07:39 AM
Given what happened in Bulgaria, I hope our 'fans' who sing that awful song about Marvelous, think twice.

Getting them to think once is hard enough, twice would be a miracle.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: darren woolley on October 17, 2019, 03:47:10 PM
Brilliant read thanks for posting.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: paul_e on November 19, 2019, 11:53:29 PM
Played most of the game in a 2-1 win for Zimbabwe today (got subbed in the 94th minute). That, however is only a backdrop to revealing the best name ever - https://twitter.com/online_zifa/status/1196810659356463104 (https://twitter.com/online_zifa/status/1196810659356463104) - check the number 16.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Mister E on November 20, 2019, 07:47:28 AM
Played most of the game in a 2-1 win for Zimbabwe today (got subbed in the 94th minute). That, however is only a backdrop to revealing the best name ever - https://twitter.com/online_zifa/status/1196810659356463104 (https://twitter.com/online_zifa/status/1196810659356463104) - check the number 16.
I bet he's seen a slice of life. Hope he don't get burned!
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Drummond on November 21, 2019, 11:44:21 AM
Played most of the game in a 2-1 win for Zimbabwe today (got subbed in the 94th minute). That, however is only a backdrop to revealing the best name ever - https://twitter.com/online_zifa/status/1196810659356463104 (https://twitter.com/online_zifa/status/1196810659356463104) - check the number 16.
I bet he's seen a slice of life. Hope he don't get burned!

Well done.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: paul_e on November 21, 2019, 01:46:17 PM
It's a good effort but I'd hoped for a few more.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on November 21, 2019, 05:49:04 PM
Played most of the game in a 2-1 win for Zimbabwe today (got subbed in the 94th minute). That, however is only a backdrop to revealing the best name ever - https://twitter.com/online_zifa/status/1196810659356463104 (https://twitter.com/online_zifa/status/1196810659356463104) - check the number 16.

That's a genuine laugh out loud moment, and after a particularly iffy day that's really welcome. Thank you.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: purpletrousers on November 21, 2019, 07:35:41 PM
It's a good effort but I'd hoped for a few more.

have an extra slice on me
(https://i.ibb.co/4pTC4yV/61-kbp-AQR-L-SL1121.jpg) (https://ibb.co/4pTC4yV)


btw our new hero Toaster is a goalie if that helps.
(Denies rumours he has a proclivity to slip his Zambian 4WD into reverse)
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Villafirst on December 26, 2019, 06:16:04 PM
Nakamba was rubbish today. Thankfully Conor came on for him!
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 26, 2019, 06:18:16 PM
Mostly very poor today.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: richtheholtender on December 26, 2019, 06:21:06 PM
Luiz was worse and they clearly can’t play in the same side. Keeping Douglas in to keep a tick in a box for his work permit doesn’t benefit Aston Villa.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: OCD on December 26, 2019, 06:37:32 PM
I don't know what's happened in recent weeks. He was excellent when he first came into the team.

Luiz has potential but sometimes overcomplicates things unnecessarily. At one point he had the time to bring the ball under control and lay it off to Jack but instead tried to volley it over a Norwich player to him and ended up losing possession. Brilliant clearance off the line though.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on December 26, 2019, 06:49:37 PM
The 21st Century equivalent of Emment Kapengwe or Freddie Mwille........(ask yer Dads/Grandads)
Who the heck is scouting these duds?
What worries more than anything is - if we go down who on earth will buy all this crap off us?
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Villafirst on December 26, 2019, 06:50:22 PM
I don't know what's happened in recent weeks. He was excellent when he first came into the team.

Luiz has potential but sometimes overcomplicates things unnecessarily. At one point he had the time to bring the ball under control and lay it off to Jack but instead tried to volley it over a Norwich player to him and ended up losing possession. Brilliant clearance off the line though.

But Smith keeps playing players out of form. Nakamba and Wesley don't deserve a starting place at the moment. Smith will probably drop man of the match Kortney Hause for Mings on Saturday! I'd probably agree with shifting Kortney to left-back as Targett was poor and put Tyrone back in at CB ( if fit of course).
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 26, 2019, 07:07:10 PM
At home in a game we needed to win it was a negative move to play both Nakamba and Luiz over Conor. Thankfully a change was made andm Conor bagged the winner. It was Nakamba's worst game for us by a good distance.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Luke8 on December 26, 2019, 08:42:47 PM
At home in a game we needed to win it was a negative move to play both Nakamba and Luiz over Conor. Thankfully a change was made andm Conor bagged the winner. It was Nakamba's worst game for us by a good distance.

Don’t disagree but can sort of understand the idea, presuming it was to give a bit more protection to the defence that has looked wide open recently. Unfortunately it wasn’t particularly successful and we lost an attacking player as well, hence Connor making a difference when he came on.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Villafirst on December 26, 2019, 08:50:59 PM
Luiz was worse and they clearly can’t play in the same side. Keeping Douglas in to keep a tick in a box for his work permit doesn’t benefit Aston Villa.

Rubbish, Luiz was way better than Nakamba! Thankfully, DS put Conor on to save Nakamba further embarrassment.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Uknowthescore on December 26, 2019, 08:53:26 PM
Luiz and nakamba are both poor and probably one of the main reasons why we are shit
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: richtheholtender on December 27, 2019, 12:14:17 AM
Luiz was worse and they clearly can’t play in the same side. Keeping Douglas in to keep a tick in a box for his work permit doesn’t benefit Aston Villa.

Rubbish, Luiz was way better than Nakamba! Thankfully, DS put Conor on to save Nakamba further embarrassment.


Absolute crap. Luiz consistently gave the ball and fouls away. Nakamba is by far a better holding midfielder.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: olaftab on December 27, 2019, 12:27:44 AM
Naka has made two very big errors in the last two games. Southampton’s third goal and today Luiz saved him with goal line clearance. He needs to stop doing that.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: adrenachrome on December 27, 2019, 01:01:58 AM
Luiz and nakamba are both poor and probably one of the main reasons why we are shit

Sadly, they both need time to adapt to the PL, as does Wesley, and it is time that we don't have.

This is down to those who do the recruitment. It is all very well saying that they are young with potential and substantial resale value, but we need to stay in the PL.

In passing, look at the players acquired under GH/Sherwood. Many of them are now playing at the top level, but were ineffective for us.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 27, 2019, 01:26:55 AM
Luiz was worse and they clearly can’t play in the same side. Keeping Douglas in to keep a tick in a box for his work permit doesn’t benefit Aston Villa.

Rubbish, Luiz was way better than Nakamba! Thankfully, DS put Conor on to save Nakamba further embarrassment.


Absolute crap. Luiz consistently gave the ball and fouls away. Nakamba is by far a better holding midfielder.

It's a shame we have to play two defensive midfielders. Playing two you get a job shared rather than one taking full responsibility, as Nakamba showed earlier in the season. I like Luiz but he's still struggling to find his role in the team. I feel he's wasted in the DM role, his natural ball skill is very good, he just needs a place to show it. He's one for the future but right now we're a player down when we ask both Nakamba and Luiz to do the same job.

We're carrying far too many players right now, especially out wide so our form should come as no surprise.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: richtheholtender on December 27, 2019, 06:42:52 AM
Luiz was worse and they clearly can’t play in the same side. Keeping Douglas in to keep a tick in a box for his work permit doesn’t benefit Aston Villa.

Rubbish, Luiz was way better than Nakamba! Thankfully, DS put Conor on to save Nakamba further embarrassment.


Absolute crap. Luiz consistently gave the ball and fouls away. Nakamba is by far a better holding midfielder.

It's a shame we have to play two defensive midfielders. Playing two you get a job shared rather than one taking full responsibility, as Nakamba showed earlier in the season. I like Luiz but he's still struggling to find his role in the team. I feel he's wasted in the DM role, his natural ball skill is very good, he just needs a place to show it. He's one for the future but right now we're a player down when we ask both Nakamba and Luiz to do the same job.

We're carrying far too many players right now, especially out wide so our form should come as no surprise.


I agree re Luiz. It’s similar to when we played Connor in the holding role last year, playing an attacking player in the holding role but just because we got away with it in the championship doesn’t mean we will at this level. You can see with Nakamba he specialises in the role and needs clear instruction that he and he only is doing that job of breaking up the play.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: mr underhill on December 27, 2019, 08:08:07 AM
Both he and Doug were dreadful yesterday. our summer recruitment is looking every bit as questionable as 2015.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Demitri_C on December 27, 2019, 08:22:36 AM
Had a stinker yesterday
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Jon Crofts on December 27, 2019, 09:01:20 AM
Confirmed as a reliable liability at present.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Holte L2 on December 27, 2019, 09:02:39 AM
Both he and Doug were dreadful yesterday. our summer recruitment is looking every bit as questionable as 2015.

I've been saying this since the season started. I'd through Engels, Trez and Guilbert into the mix as well.
All poor players.  I'd look at replacing Suso with someone more capable at signing a player with immediate effect.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Villafirst on December 27, 2019, 11:21:46 AM
Villa could've got Maupay at £2m less than Wesley, yet they deemed Maupay as too expensive!
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Footy-Vill on December 27, 2019, 03:53:59 PM
Nakamba is the worst and most limited .of Midfielders at the
club. Offers little goal threat and is one footed . Also is the 1st player who kicked out of play  by passing than anyone else

I can certainly see that in the Belgian league Nakamba , Wesley and Engels would stand out against inferior opposition. The scouting was floored in as much as the league .
Suso must have a Belgian love interest or enjoy the chocolates to be going out there and funding Club Brugge with untold riches in transfer fees.
Unbelievable
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Footy-Vill on December 27, 2019, 03:56:47 PM
Both he and Doug were dreadful yesterday. our summer recruitment is looking every bit as questionable as 2015.

At least Douglas Luiz has some pedigree and ability.
Nakamba should never have started .
Doesn't offer a goal threat
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 27, 2019, 03:58:27 PM
Currently he does and that's the problem.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: N'ZMAV on December 27, 2019, 04:03:01 PM
I like the idea of a Nakamba, a ball winning midfielder - I think he's badly out of form, and the mistakes show that - however, when he leaves his central position to chase the ball down, one of the other midfielders need to have the brains to drop into the hole...
I haven't worked out the better 3 for us in the middle.... McGinn, Grealish and another?
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: PeterWithe on December 27, 2019, 04:05:43 PM
I think DS plan is for him to be playing further up the field, pressing with energy and winning the ball back much further forward with Luiz dictating the tempo from deeper. At the moment it’s  a bit of a dogs breakfast but I like Nakamba, he’s been the best of the out field signings for me.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 27, 2019, 04:41:20 PM
I thought he looked like a pissed up fan who had got on the pitch yesterday.

Absolutely rubbish.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 27, 2019, 04:48:36 PM
I think DS plan is for him to be playing further up the field, pressing with energy and winning the ball back much further forward with Luiz dictating the tempo from deeper.

If that's right it's a major concern of Dean again trying to fit square pegs into round holes.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: PeterWithe on December 27, 2019, 04:56:36 PM
I think DS plan is for him to be playing further up the field, pressing with energy and winning the ball back much further forward with Luiz dictating the tempo from deeper.

If that's right it's a major concern of Dean again trying to fit square pegs into round holes.

I don’t agree, Luiz is a superior player technically and can pick passes, Nakamba watches the ball too much. If they were both playing at a level they are, or could be, capable of, I think Nakamba playing an energetic disruptor further up the field would be the best use of our resources and would lessen the risk of him missing runners when we are in our own third. .

As it is, I’m pretty convinced it’s too soon to have both them, and others, in the team and stay up
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 27, 2019, 05:42:20 PM
I think DS plan is for him to be playing further up the field, pressing with energy and winning the ball back much further forward with Luiz dictating the tempo from deeper.

If that's right it's a major concern of Dean again trying to fit square pegs into round holes.

I don’t agree, Luiz is a superior player technically and can pick passes, Nakamba watches the ball too much. If they were both playing at a level they are, or could be, capable of, I think Nakamba playing an energetic disruptor further up the field would be the best use of our resources and would lessen the risk of him missing runners when we are in our own third. .

As it is, I’m pretty convinced it’s too soon to have both them, and others, in the team and stay up

I'd prefer players in their best positions; Nakamba breaking up play and playing a simple ball to Luiz to "pick passes" rather than see him further up the pitch and 'trying' to pick passes. Add to that, Luiz is hardly the defensive midfielder to break up play. It's a bit difficult for him to "pick passes" without the ball. Whether we can play both right now is not really a decision we can make, what with SJM out for the next few months.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: PeterWithe on December 27, 2019, 06:01:37 PM
After a few days of over indulgence I’m not sure if we are disagreeing or not here. I agree with DS, have Nakamba winning the ball up the field, pass it wide and get it in the box.

If he’s winning it in our third, his lack of technical ability means he’s more likely to lose it during the opposition press.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: jwarry on December 27, 2019, 06:02:55 PM
Mustn’t forget Luiz and Marv are young, inexperienced but have potential.  Sure we might have got better but we rushing around filling major holes in the summer as the alternatives were Whelan and Jedi - I know who I’d rather have
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 27, 2019, 06:03:55 PM
His technique looked great the first couple of games.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 27, 2019, 07:20:33 PM
Villa could've got Maupay at £2m less than Wesley, yet they deemed Maupay as too expensive!

Just to clarify we deemed Maupay too expensive having bought Wesley. Brentford stuck to a reportedly higher price than what they eventually sold him for at the start of the window. Which is absolutely their right. We went out and bought Wesley. We were still in for him at the end but having lashed out the better part of £140m the manager who knew the player as well as anyone deemed Maupay was a bit too pricey given the investments made in the summer.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Footy-Vill on December 27, 2019, 08:21:56 PM
Mustn’t forget Luiz and Marv are young, inexperienced but have potential.  Sure we might have got better but we rushing around filling major holes in the summer as the alternatives were Whelan and Jedi - I know who I’d rather have

Douglas Luiz is class act and yes is young 21 not 22 to may.
Average Nakamba is soon to be 26 years old January...
Nakamba doesn't look a remote goal threat or has little other than attempting tackles.
Now his energy has gone he's really looking  average
Hope he improves
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: brontebilly on December 27, 2019, 08:45:40 PM
Mustn’t forget Luiz and Marv are young, inexperienced but have potential.  Sure we might have got better but we rushing around filling major holes in the summer as the alternatives were Whelan and Jedi - I know who I’d rather have

Douglas Luiz is class act and yes is young 21 not 22 to may.
Average Nakamba is soon to be 26 years old January...
Nakamba doesn't look a remote goal threat or has little other than attempting tackles.
Now his energy has gone he's really looking  average
Hope he improves

Holding midfielders aren't meant to provide a goal threat
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Footy-Vill on December 27, 2019, 10:41:55 PM
Mustn’t forget Luiz and Marv are young, inexperienced but have potential.  Sure we might have got better but we rushing around filling major holes in the summer as the alternatives were Whelan and Jedi - I know who I’d rather have

Douglas Luiz is class act and yes is young 21 not 22 to may.
Average Nakamba is soon to be 26 years old January...
Nakamba doesn't look a remote goal threat or has little other than attempting tackles.
Now his energy has gone he's really looking  average
Hope he improves

Holding midfielders aren't meant to provide a goal threat
A goal threat to the opposition
Exactly .

And what I mean is actually a creative goal threat in building play. looks too limited for my football tastes. Another signing imposed upon Smith. Isn't a Deano type footballer.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: richtheholtender on December 28, 2019, 04:50:54 PM
Why Luiz over Nkamba? Oh yeah, to maintain his work permit for Man City
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 28, 2019, 05:34:46 PM
Luiz is clearly talented, Nakamba I’m not sure now.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Drummond on January 09, 2020, 08:57:55 AM
Nakamba is struggling, there's no doubt. He needs a bit of good coaching to. Build his confidence and get him up to speed. Drinkwater coming in will help.

He also needs a song so he can see he's got our support.

La Bamba....

Oh Marvelous Nakamba,
Oh Marvelous Nakamba,
He comes from Zimbabwe, from Zimbabwe, from. Zimbabwe,
And he now plays for the Villa,
Yes he plays for the Villa,


Or something...
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: supertom on January 09, 2020, 09:47:55 AM
I think he and Douglas are struggling. It's the pace of the league, the non-stop frenetic action in the middle. He came in and was really up for it. You make an error and you shake it off but obviously we've come through a shit tonne of games now and tiredness is also factoring in and poor results don't help confidence and he's look overwhelmed as much as anything. It's like dealing with a toddler. The morning you think you're keeping up, there's some errors but you're not far off. By the evening they're still at you and you're rocking yourself in a dark corner mumbling 'the horror, the horror.' . I think Nakamba will be a good player but for our position right now, you need a been there done that kind of a player and Nakamba needs a spell on the bench.

This rings true even more so with Douglas, the difference is though, I just don't know, and mayb even the player himself, what type of midfielder he's supposed to be. Where should he play? Nakamba has a placing and in the end I see him coming good (I don't want us to watch on as he thrives elsewhere ala Idrissa and Veretout). If Douglas is gonna sit deep and be a DMF he needs to get stronger and work on his positional play and defensive attributes.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Villatillidie25 on January 09, 2020, 10:05:32 AM
I think he and Douglas are struggling. It's the pace of the league, the non-stop frenetic action in the middle. He came in and was really up for it. You make an error and you shake it off but obviously we've come through a shit tonne of games now and tiredness is also factoring in and poor results don't help confidence and he's look overwhelmed as much as anything. It's like dealing with a toddler. The morning you think you're keeping up, there's some errors but you're not far off. By the evening they're still at you and you're rocking yourself in a dark corner mumbling 'the horror, the horror.' . I think Nakamba will be a good player but for our position right now, you need a been there done that kind of a player and Nakamba needs a spell on the bench.

This rings true even more so with Douglas, the difference is though, I just don't know, and mayb even the player himself, what type of midfielder he's supposed to be. Where should he play? Nakamba has a placing and in the end I see him coming good (I don't want us to watch on as he thrives elsewhere ala Idrissa and Veretout). If Douglas is gonna sit deep and be a DMF he needs to get stronger and work on his positional play and defensive attributes.

Nailed it. I like both of them but their positional play at times is pretty woeful and we still look soft centred a lot of the time. 3 centre backs has helped a lot as there's one more body in the middle, which means a centre back can step out or play sweeper, almost creating 2 more lines behind the midfield
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 09, 2020, 10:14:23 AM
They fall into the Wesley/Targett category for me, there are signs that they can all be decent PL players but all new to the club, each other and the PL all together at the same time means they're struggling. Nakamba is the most surprising though because he did seem to hit the ground running and looked well suited to the PL, now he looks a tad off the pace and keeps giving the ball away.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Villan For Life on January 09, 2020, 10:28:47 AM
I think both players need some time out to work on their fitness and decision making. Unfortunately given our league position and injury list that isn’t going to happen.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: brontebilly on January 09, 2020, 10:32:21 AM
They fall into the Wesley/Targett category for me, there are signs that they can all be decent PL players but all new to the club, each other and the PL all together at the same time means they're struggling. Nakamba is the most surprising though because he did seem to hit the ground running and looked well suited to the PL, now he looks a tad off the pace and keeps giving the ball away.

In his first few games he looked really lively, now it looks as if he is pulling a train and can't get near opponents. Failing to even attempt a tackle v Knockaert as a prime example. Confidence on the ball is shot to pieces too. Maybe a spell out of the team would help but we don't have another player capable of attempting a holding midfield role in the squad.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Risso on January 09, 2020, 10:32:30 AM
I've got more patience with Luiz, because although you can see he has talent, Smith doesn't seem certain how to best utilise that ability on the ball.  With Nakamba his job is relatively easy to understand.  Break up attacks, win the ball back, then pass the ball to a team mate.  He started off quite brightly, but has been poor of late, and was woeful last night.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: garyshawsknee on January 09, 2020, 10:40:14 AM
Thought he had a mixed night last night to say the least, he's dropped off in the past few weeks after a promising start. But I'd be wary of writing him off as it does remind me of the foreign bought lads from 2015 who would now all walk into our team right.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Mellin on January 09, 2020, 12:10:31 PM
It reminds me very much of 2015. There's ability there, but players need time to settle. I know that's not something we're blessed with right now, but I think they'll mostly look a lot improved next season...if we survive.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 09, 2020, 12:36:25 PM
Touch wood though, we don't have the bad atmosphere in the squad that we supposedly had in 15-16.
Talking of Luiz best position, for me it's in the attacking half, he's too casual and lightweight to play in a defensive role. I felt this pretty much from the first time i saw him play, he's really in competition with Hourahane and should be used when we're expected to be on the front foot. Now that McGinn is injured and Nakamba is out of form we're really struggling for midfielders to protect the defense. As far as i'm aware, if by some miracle Drinkwater performs for us i don't think he's that type of player either.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: QuintonVilla on January 09, 2020, 12:43:29 PM
To be fair to him he is brilliant at breaking up and stopping attacks. They're all our attacks but still.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: LeeB on January 09, 2020, 12:45:06 PM
To be fair to him he is brilliant at breaking up and stopping attacks. They're all our attacks but still.

Ha ha
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 11, 2020, 05:19:19 AM
Drinkwater may provide the opportunity to rest Nakamba and Luis more regularly.  Currently  they’re nailed on starters and carry a lot of responsibility which is unfair at this stage of their development.

In a parallel world, do you think we would be better off if we had just signed the chap from Leeds rather than two guys with potential (plus maybe £5m)?
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: KRS on January 11, 2020, 05:53:23 AM
Marv is shite. Someone has to be truly honest and say it like it is.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 11, 2020, 06:19:15 AM
How about he’s just a young player having tough time of it as he continues to adjust to the league and as teams scout his weaknesses. Much like many rashly (including me) wrote Veretout, Adama, Gueye etc off. Doesn’t make him shit at all.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 11, 2020, 07:41:07 AM
How about he’s just a young player having tough time of it as he continues to adjust to the league and as teams scout his weaknesses. Much like many rashly (including me) wrote Veretout, Adama, Gueye etc off. Doesn’t make him shit at all.


he reminds me more of Reo-Coker than Gueye.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 11, 2020, 08:11:19 AM
Suffering a crisis of confidence.
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Post by: Mister E on January 11, 2020, 08:44:06 AM
Marv is shite. Someone has to be truly honest and say it like it is.
THere is some shittery about him but I think he will come good. At the moment the team has over-relied on him somewhat: DD's arrival should allow him to learn and also be taken out of the firing line.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 11, 2020, 02:40:18 PM
He's 26 in a week, he's not a youngster in footballing terms. For me he showed enough early on to think he can do ok, but him and Luiz together doesn't seem to be working that well.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Risso on January 11, 2020, 02:51:35 PM
He's 26 in a week, he's not a youngster in footballing terms. For me he showed enough early on to think he can do ok, but him and Luiz together doesn't seem to be working that well.

It's not working at all well, which is why they were pretty much being rotated when McGinn was fit.  I expect Nakamba will be the one dropped tomorrow for Drinkwater.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Mister E on January 11, 2020, 06:15:10 PM
He's 26 in a week, he's not a youngster in footballing terms. For me he showed enough early on to think he can do ok, but him and Luiz together doesn't seem to be working that well.
Luiz is a box-to-box player, not a MF enforcer. Both he and Nakamba have been error-prone and will probably not become more reliable until they've had a full 12 months around a Premier League club.

It was an obvious flaw in the summer's squad-building strategy not to mix the Premier-League newbies with some more experienced players. Probably should have kept Whelan for another 12 months, for example.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: AVH87 on January 11, 2020, 09:29:52 PM
He's 26 in a week, he's not a youngster in footballing terms. For me he showed enough early on to think he can do ok, but him and Luiz together doesn't seem to be working that well.
Luiz is a box-to-box player, not a MF enforcer. Both he and Nakamba have been error-prone and will probably not become more reliable until they've had a full 12 months around a Premier League club.

It was an obvious flaw in the summer's squad-building strategy not to mix the Premier-League newbies with some more experienced players. Probably should have kept Whelan for another 12 months, for example.

Whelan got released from Hearts recently, so I highly doubt he could have had any impact in the PL.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: TonyD on January 11, 2020, 10:40:34 PM
Shouldn’t take a whole 12 months to bed in. 
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 11, 2020, 10:48:05 PM
Shouldn’t take a whole 12 months to bed in. 

Eh we signed him in January 2019 then?

He looked neat and tidy early on without ever wowing me. Too easy for players to break past him was a concern and now his passing has completely gone to pot.

In an ideal world 4-5 games out to refocus. Mings had to miss that amount through injury and he's come back like his old self so players sometimes need that time out to get going again.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: TonyD on January 11, 2020, 11:05:38 PM
Shouldn’t take a whole 12 months to bed in. 

Eh we signed him in January 2019 then?

He looked neat and tidy early on without ever wowing me. Too easy for players to break past him was a concern and now his passing has completely gone to pot.

In an ideal world 4-5 games out to refocus. Mings had to miss that amount through injury and he's come back like his old self so players sometimes need that time out to get going again.
AVH87 seemed to suggest they needed 12 months
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: OCD on January 21, 2020, 10:18:35 PM
Excellent tonight. Needs to maintain these levels now through to the end of the season. Not sure what happened to him in the middle of the season but that was the player we were seeing earlier in the season.

Why you would play 2 in the centre when 1 is trying to get up to speed, I don't know. It's just as well Nakamba did play so well and then the Luiz substitution improved us. I would rather we played 3-5-2 and be stronger in the centre than playing 3-4-3.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: LukeJames on January 21, 2020, 10:28:08 PM
Best game for weeks. I thought their 3 big strong center mids would dominate but Nakamba was easily the pick of them.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 21, 2020, 10:34:59 PM
More like the Nakamba from earlier in the season. If we can get a few of them back to form we'll be fine.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 22, 2020, 10:16:09 AM
[ :-X
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Post by: colin69 on January 22, 2020, 07:07:40 PM
Lived up to his name last night, best game for ages
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: PaulTheVillan on January 22, 2020, 08:36:17 PM
I think he's been OK, I just think we need the right partner along side him. Breaks play up, makes mostly simple passes to the nearest bloke. Better at it than NRC ever was, not quite as good as Gueye was, but certainly better than Carlos bloody Sanchez
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: KRS on February 23, 2020, 10:36:34 PM
Woeful player. Really don’t know what any one can see if him because he’s struggling to be a footballer of any outstanding qualities. A complete liability of the pitch most of the time, and one of the reasons why our midfield is so piss poor and defence concedes so many shots.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on February 23, 2020, 11:31:29 PM
Woeful player. Really don’t know what any one can see if him because he’s struggling to be a footballer of any outstanding qualities. A complete liability of the pitch most of the time, and one of the reasons why our midfield is so piss poor and defence concedes so many shots.

Played really well when he first came in, and every so often shows he can play well. Like El Ghazi and Luiz he has shown fleeting glimpses of talent.

Trez, Wesley, Drinkwater and Target are the players I see no redeeming qualities or potential in.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 23, 2020, 11:52:33 PM
I think he's been OK, I just think we need the right partner along side him. Breaks play up, makes mostly simple passes to the nearest bloke. Better at it than NRC ever was, not quite as good as Gueye was, but certainly better than Carlos bloody Sanchez

Carlos Sanchez is the worst player I've ever seen play for us. And I saw...no, I can't think of one who was so bad that they ought to be included in such company.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: KRS on February 24, 2020, 04:20:19 AM
I was actually going to say that he reminds me of Carlos Sanchez...very similar in so far as he looks completely lost out there on the pitch, completely out of his depth, and not sure what he’s supposed to be doing or where he’s supposed to be.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: frank black on February 24, 2020, 07:40:12 AM
He often gets overrun in tight possession and looks somewhat bewildered when he gets his head up and time on the ball. I really can’t decide if I think he’ll come good or not.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 24, 2020, 08:02:05 AM
Confidence looks shot, trying to play a role he is not suited/ good enough.
Weak on the ball.
Another hologram.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Mister E on February 24, 2020, 08:31:08 AM
Like Luiz, given a full close-season, I think he'll come good.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on February 24, 2020, 09:07:56 AM
They may well both come good, but I'm yet to be convinced that will be in the same starting 11.


Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Luke8 on February 24, 2020, 09:24:42 AM
He’s not that bad. He is massively inconsistent like a lot of our players and, like pretty much all of our midfield currently, he is some strengths but also some glaring weaknesses in his game.

Playing for a bottom third Premier League team is probably his level though.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Risso on February 24, 2020, 09:55:11 AM
I think he's been OK, I just think we need the right partner along side him. Breaks play up, makes mostly simple passes to the nearest bloke. Better at it than NRC ever was, not quite as good as Gueye was, but certainly better than Carlos bloody Sanchez

Carlos Sanchez is the worst player I've ever seen play for us. And I saw...no, I can't think of one who was so bad that they ought to be included in such company.

He was awful, but I think you'd have to go a long way to beat Tonev.  Almost as far as you'd have to go to retrieve one of his shots.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Drummond on February 24, 2020, 09:58:06 AM
Sanchez played a 50 yd cross field pass in his first game that made me think we'd got a really good player. Ah well.

I think a lot of our players just need to play with some good steady players. Unfortunately, we don't have that yet. It's very reminiscent of Gueye etc coming in.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on February 24, 2020, 10:01:34 AM
Sanchez played a 50 yd cross field pass in his first game that made me think we'd got a really good player. Ah well.

I think a lot of our players just need to play with some good steady players. Unfortunately, we don't have that yet. It's very reminiscent of Gueye etc coming in.

His very first touch, I think, Sanchez' mega ball.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: exigo on January 23, 2021, 10:16:03 PM
Thought Nakamba was brilliant tonight. Did all the dull things well, dropped back in when needed, covered for Mings when he pushed forward. Up there for man of the match.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 23, 2021, 10:16:59 PM
Thought Nakamba was brilliant tonight. Did all the dull things well, dropped back in when needed, covered for Mings when he pushed forward. Up there for man of the match.


Yep don’t think he gave it away once ,  I was impressed
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Deano's Mullet on January 23, 2021, 10:17:14 PM
Really good tonight, did all the simple things well and let Luiz get forward. V pleasing.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Risso on January 23, 2021, 10:18:05 PM
Played well tonight, in a team with ball players like Jack, Barkley, Luiz etc, all he needs to do is win the ball and keep it simple.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 23, 2021, 10:19:45 PM
Can’t remember a misplaced pass from him tonight.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on January 23, 2021, 10:20:16 PM
Did very well.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 23, 2021, 10:21:59 PM
He was brilliant tonight.  Quick, incisive passing and nearly always goal side to slow down their attacks.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Goldie.7 on January 23, 2021, 10:23:38 PM
Superb tonight. He never put a foot wrong and got Luiz and Mings out of trouble a few times.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: robleflaneur on January 23, 2021, 10:24:15 PM
I thought this was his most impressive performance.As saunders heroes  pointed out not a misplaced pass,last year I was a nervous wreck when he received the ball near our penalty area.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Brend'Watkins on January 23, 2021, 10:29:51 PM
Had a great game. Nothing sloppy about him tonight.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: AV82EC on January 23, 2021, 10:35:38 PM
Cam in and did his job very well, I've been a critic but fair play to the lad he did well.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Steve67 on January 23, 2021, 10:36:36 PM
A nod from me too, played well and knitted things together nicely.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on January 23, 2021, 10:37:29 PM
Can't remember him putting a foot wrong.
Perfect performance.
Well done Marvelous!
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Goldenballs on January 23, 2021, 10:49:52 PM
Marvelous Nakamba misplaced just one of his 65 passes against Newcastle.

🎯 64/65 Passes Completed
📊 98.5% Pass Accuracy

He also made more ball recoveries than any other Aston Villa player (8).

| #AVFC | #AVLNEW | @AVFC | https://t.co/WPAUpdXwKk
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Post by: cdbearsfan on January 23, 2021, 11:00:06 PM
Very impressed.
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Post by: villabear on January 23, 2021, 11:17:10 PM
I thought he was marvellous 😬
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 23, 2021, 11:19:03 PM
Another of the Class of '19 who has come on leaps & bounds this season.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Monty on January 23, 2021, 11:23:20 PM
Doug had an off night by his standards but MV really stepped into the breach. A real top notch 'no. 6' (in my head it should be a no. 4) display.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: brian green on January 23, 2021, 11:24:24 PM
Being well coached. 
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Steve67 on January 23, 2021, 11:24:41 PM
Makes you wonder where Morgan Sanson will fit in?  The more the merrier though.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: tomd2103 on January 23, 2021, 11:25:02 PM
Doug had an off night by his standards but MV really stepped into the breach. A real top notch 'no. 6' (in my head it should be a no. 4) display.

Agree Monty.  Did really well considering he hasn’t featured much so far.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: paul_e on January 23, 2021, 11:42:15 PM
The difference tonight to some of his performances last year was the discipline in his game. He held his position and concentrated on being the spare man in there. Newcastle not having anyone capable of playing as a 10 meant he had no direct opponent and what was really impressive is that he didn't let that alter how he played. Last season he was a bit of a headless chicken chasing after the ball and getting caught out of position regularly.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 24, 2021, 12:27:09 AM
He was absolutely excellent tonight.

Didn't put a foot wrong and moved the ball around very nicely.

Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Matt C on January 24, 2021, 03:11:50 AM
66/67 pass completion ain’t too shabby.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: darren woolley on February 06, 2021, 06:17:36 PM
He played well today.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: CT on February 06, 2021, 06:21:48 PM
He played well today.

He certainly did. Twice he’s come in and performed very solidly for us. Great to see!
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on February 06, 2021, 06:24:23 PM
Well played Marvelous. Good game again today!
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 06, 2021, 10:56:35 PM
Did well today. Douglas will always be first choice, but it’s great that Marv can come in and do a job.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 06, 2021, 11:00:39 PM
I didn't see the game today but I thought he was exceptional against Newcastle. Flawless performance
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Bobby Boy on February 06, 2021, 11:06:37 PM
Well played Marvelous. Good game again today!

Absolutely. I thought he did a job today. Our midfield isn't physical but he will put his foot in and break things up. I like that.

His last two full appearances and two wins. Clearly down to very much else but I like Marvelous.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 06, 2021, 11:12:34 PM
It’s critical that squad players can come in and do a job. It’s equally important Dean sees that squad players can do that. He’s done really well in his last two starts.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 07, 2021, 10:16:06 AM
I thought he went missing in the second half.
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Post by: exigo on February 07, 2021, 10:33:34 AM
Really mature performance from him today. Considering he was booked before half time, never really felt like he was walking a tightrope. Big step up from last season.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Mister E on February 07, 2021, 10:52:37 AM
Really mature performance from him today. Considering he was booked before half time, never really felt like he was walking a tightrope. Big step up from last season.
Given that the ref was quite trigger-happy with his cards, I was worried and thought we should have subbed Marv at halftime. That said, he did pretty well and has improved significantly since last season.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: brontebilly on February 07, 2021, 11:12:04 AM
I thought he went missing in the second half.

Agreed, and he couldn't get close to their runners in the first half. Tries hard but his second touch tends to be a tackle. Anyway no harm for Luiz to sit out a game or two.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: eamonn on February 07, 2021, 11:15:03 AM
Yeah, he's...grand but can't see him ever being more than back-up.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: algy on February 07, 2021, 11:50:57 AM
Yeah, he's...grand but can't see him ever being more than back-up.
Yeah, that's my thoughts too. I think he's valuable as a squad player and I'd not be looking to get rid of him in the immediate future. I think we need a player like him who can just keep things simple, break up the opposition attacks and play it away safely. Longer term we'd maybe need an upgrade but certainly until we're playing in Europe I think he's ... well,  Marvellous.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Percy McCarthy on February 07, 2021, 03:17:09 PM
We haven’t conceded a goal with Marv on the pitch this season (7 appearances).
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Meanwood Villa on February 07, 2021, 03:49:14 PM
He played against Stoke when we conceded
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Percy McCarthy on February 07, 2021, 04:05:31 PM
He played against Stoke when we conceded

Whoops! PL?
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: VILLA MOLE on February 07, 2021, 04:15:29 PM
I think he still tackles and breaks up play better than Doug , but obviously isn’t as creative

Maybe in a better team now they can be incorporated together
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: manic-road on February 27, 2021, 07:27:09 PM
I thought Marvelous was well err marvelous against Leeds, broke up the play so many times he definitely deserves to keep his place for the next game.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 27, 2021, 07:27:58 PM
Thought that was his best game for us, read things masterfully.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: darren woolley on February 27, 2021, 07:28:20 PM
He played well.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 27, 2021, 07:28:55 PM
Very good. That positioning and foul he won off Raphina was great.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: danno on February 27, 2021, 07:29:18 PM
Pleased for him, thought he was a tad unlucky to lose his place last time.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: N'ZMAV on February 27, 2021, 07:29:32 PM
Marvellous
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Aldridge Villa on February 27, 2021, 07:30:41 PM
Great today , if he could sort his passing out we’d have some player.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: VILLA MOLE on February 27, 2021, 07:32:02 PM
Great today , if he could sort his passing out we’d have some player.


I thought his passing has improved keeps it simple
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 27, 2021, 07:32:48 PM
Great today , if he could sort his passing out we’d have some player.

Haha if he did that he'd be playing at Bayern. But yes, soemthing to work on for sure and that's why we have him. Still very young and lots of room to grow and improve. And right now playing better in that role than Doug. A very good problem to have.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: jcsutv on February 27, 2021, 07:33:12 PM
I love him.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Goldie.7 on February 27, 2021, 07:33:12 PM
Superb. A player that gets right in your face and is like an annoying gnat that won't go away.

He starts the next match for me.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Rudy65 on February 27, 2021, 07:39:40 PM
I love him.

Just wish he could pass
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: colin69 on February 27, 2021, 07:39:44 PM
Yes must start the next few games. Just does exactly what he needs to do.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: jcsutv on February 27, 2021, 07:42:39 PM
I’d be thinking Sanson and Nakamba and McGinn and Jack.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Smithy on February 27, 2021, 07:43:53 PM
Great today , if he could sort his passing out we’d have some player.

Haha if he did that he'd be playing at Bayern. But yes, soemthing to work on for sure and that's why we have him. Still very young and lots of room to grow and improve. And right now playing better in that role than Doug. A very good problem to have.

He's 27, and entering his peak now. Not exactly 'very young'  That's not to say he didn't play brilliantly today, but I don't see him improving as a player as much as some of the younger ones have during their first 18 months in the premier league.  Every player of any age can get better, obviously, but with Marvellous, I think what we saw today is the player he can be for us, and to hope for too much more is unfair on him.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: J on February 27, 2021, 07:49:38 PM
I've not been his biggest fan but very good again today. Would be unlucky to lose his place on Weds.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Neil Hawkes on February 27, 2021, 07:51:57 PM
Yet again - Marvelous
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Goldenballs on February 27, 2021, 07:53:13 PM
375 minutes of Prem football, 0 goals conceded.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Uknowthescore on February 27, 2021, 08:02:32 PM
My motm today. Has to start Wednesday
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 27, 2021, 08:06:49 PM
His distribution is sometimes poor but you can see the improvement from last season.
Did his job today. Excellent
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Des Little on February 27, 2021, 08:09:18 PM
Must start on Wednesday. Unequivocally.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 27, 2021, 08:09:37 PM
I was totally wrong about him. If you have somebody who can play that role as effectively as he does you need to be playing him, particularly against good teams.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: eamonn on February 27, 2021, 08:10:54 PM
One of his pink boots keeps getting a toe poke in to take the ball away from danger. Wonderful colours in action.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Three Spires Villa on February 27, 2021, 08:15:34 PM
I was totally wrong about him. If you have somebody who can play that role as effectively as he does you need to be playing him, particularly against good teams.

I completely agree, I also had my doubts at times
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 27, 2021, 08:17:23 PM
I think I’m correct in saying we’ve not conceded a PL goal with him on the pitch this season.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: VILLA MOLE on February 27, 2021, 08:18:16 PM
I think that sitting in front of the centre halves is made for him and he doesn’t get distracted. Doug cam play there but can also play further forward so sometimes loses focus
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: CT on February 27, 2021, 08:20:24 PM
Great shift again from Marv tonight. The midfield needed all the energy it could get tonight.

It’s up to Douggie to improve and get back in the team for me.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Dante Lavelli on February 27, 2021, 08:21:58 PM
I think we need to try the Luiz + Marvelous base to our midfield.  Then give McGinn (and Luiz) more freedom.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 27, 2021, 08:23:04 PM
Great shift again from Marv tonight. The midfield needed all the energy it could get tonight.

It’s up to Douggie to improve and get back in the team for me.
I don’t think Luiz is a DM, so lots of opportunities for him to play with or with Marvelous
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: jcsutv on February 27, 2021, 08:24:12 PM
He had extendable legs tonight. Bloody marvellous
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: TonyD on February 27, 2021, 09:01:29 PM
I wasn’t a fan of his because most his previous performances weren’t brilliant.

He was either not wanting the ball and invisible or when he got stuck in didn’t do well. He did have a few halves of games where he was okay.

But this evening he seemed to be two seconds quicker to every challenge because you could see him reading the game.

Let’s hope he can do this more often because as tonight shows Dean & Co need all the options available to be able to rotate a good team. 
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Mellin on February 27, 2021, 09:12:40 PM
Struggled last season, but not put a foot wrong this year with limited minutes. Has earned more. Keep it up my man.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Steve67 on February 27, 2021, 10:31:11 PM
Should stay in the side after that performance. Like others, I had my doubts but he has grown into it and has played well so far. Offers much more physicality than Douglas too.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 27, 2021, 10:55:27 PM
Douglas is a brilliant player. Marv is a different type of player, good time see him play a blinder tonight.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on February 28, 2021, 07:03:43 AM
A great performance from Marv versus dirty Leeds. Held his position well and supported the 2 cbs brilliantly. If Marv had played against Leicester maddison would not have had the freedom of VP especially in that 1st half. Keep up the good work Marv!
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Bobby Boy on February 28, 2021, 09:21:55 AM
He is the best player in the squad for snapping into tackles and breaking up play. I don't even think it is purely about his physical presence. I think it can be about the opponent knowing that they are going to get tackled and then changing what they do and maybe losing some confidence.

We can be a little easy to play through at times. If you give good players time then they will hurt you. Snap into them and they make mistakes.

I'd have Marv in my team every week.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 28, 2021, 10:19:11 AM
Last season he had the habit of getting wrong side of attackers , giving free kicks away and switching off.
We did very well yesterday to not give free kicks around our area.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Dante Lavelli on February 28, 2021, 12:25:35 PM
Last season he had the habit of getting wrong side of attackers , giving free kicks away and switching off.
We did very well yesterday to not give free kicks around our area.


True.  Last season our midfield was a bit shapeless with everyone trying to be everything.  This year we’ve accepted that we need at least one holding player.  I think a ‘holding and breaking up play’ role suits Marv’s strong points and mitigates against his weaknesses.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: tomd2103 on February 28, 2021, 06:01:10 PM
Last season he had the habit of getting wrong side of attackers , giving free kicks away and switching off.
We did very well yesterday to not give free kicks around our area.


True.  Last season our midfield was a bit shapeless with everyone trying to be everything.  This year we’ve accepted that we need at least one holding player.  I think a ‘holding and breaking up play’ role suits Marv’s strong points and mitigates against his weaknesses.

He had a run of games when he came into the side last season where he looked good, but then dropped off. 
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Mister E on February 28, 2021, 07:02:07 PM
He appears to have benefitted from some time out and some coaching. He looks fitter, is thinking more clearly (far fewer needless fouls) and is playing sensible balls into colleagues.
Credit to him for the improvement.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: eamonn on February 28, 2021, 07:57:23 PM
He's got a lovely smile, too.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Paulo on March 01, 2021, 12:02:54 PM
Last season he had the habit of getting wrong side of attackers , giving free kicks away and switching off.
We did very well yesterday to not give free kicks around our area.


True.  Last season our midfield was a bit shapeless with everyone trying to be everything.  This year we’ve accepted that we need at least one holding player.  I think a ‘holding and breaking up play’ role suits Marv’s strong points and mitigates against his weaknesses.

He had a run of games when he came into the side last season where he looked good, but then dropped off.

Yes, I think it was the 'must win' game against Watford when he was immense. Seemed to be everywhere and I thought he'd cracked it, but he couldn't keep that level of performance up.

If we can sign a DMC with most of his attributes but can pass forward for next season we'll improve straight away (easier said that done).
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Drummond on March 01, 2021, 12:45:36 PM
I've always liked him, we've just struggled a bit at times when he's been in the team.

He could play in that defensive role and have Luiz in front with McGinn or Sanson, Ramsay or... well haven't we got a lot of choice all of a sudden?!
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Risso on March 01, 2021, 02:49:49 PM
He's improved a lot, but being honest he still made some sloppy passes losing possession (in the second half especially) against Leeds. Needs to work on just keeping things simple and retaining possession.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: john e on March 02, 2021, 11:13:11 AM
i like him and always thought he'd get better when he adjusted more to the premier league in his second season

however i see him as a man to do a specific job against different sides
against Leeds it worked a treat because he was a pest broke up play and stopped them playing there high energy type game

i'm not sure we need that sort of player against Sheff utd
someone to stop them playing is not going to be necessary as much as someone to break them down

luiz is a class player,
and against Sheff utd i would put him back in, with Sanson or Ramsey
 we will need that extra threat and passing skills more than someone running around blocking play

horses for courses as they say
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: nigel on March 02, 2021, 07:05:04 PM
He's improved a lot, but being honest he still made some sloppy passes losing possession (in the second half especially) against Leeds. Needs to work on just keeping things simple and retaining possession.

And then people will moan because he’s not playing killer passes!

It’s a bit of a viscous circle
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Smithy on March 02, 2021, 07:15:19 PM
He's improved a lot, but being honest he still made some sloppy passes losing possession (in the second half especially) against Leeds. Needs to work on just keeping things simple and retaining possession.

And then people will moan because he’s not playing killer passes!

It’s a bit of a viscous circle

I don't think it is.  There is a different expectation on Marv, compared to, say, Barkley.  I know what Risso is saying, there was one passage of play in the second half where he broke the line of their midfield (not really his job, but where he found himself) and he passed it straight out of play about five yards behind Anwar on the left touchline.  Clearly that's because he's not the sort of player who generally breaks lines plays passes into the final third, so I can forgive him that.  If his 10-15 yard passing accuracy was a touch better he'd be a top-class defensive midfielder.  I'm not going to pick him up for not being too accomplished in the attacking third.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: DrGonzo on March 02, 2021, 09:09:19 PM
He's improved a lot, but being honest he still made some sloppy passes losing possession (in the second half especially) against Leeds. Needs to work on just keeping things simple and retaining possession.

And then people will moan because he’s not playing killer passes!

It’s a bit of a viscous circle

Does he get stuck on the centre circle a lot?

Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: LeeB on March 02, 2021, 09:37:48 PM
He's improved a lot, but being honest he still made some sloppy passes losing possession (in the second half especially) against Leeds. Needs to work on just keeping things simple and retaining possession.

And then people will moan because he’s not playing killer passes!

It’s a bit of a viscous circle

Does he get stuck on the centre circle a lot?



That was the Baseball Ground in the seventies.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: nigel on March 03, 2021, 01:54:35 PM
He's improved a lot, but being honest he still made some sloppy passes losing possession (in the second half especially) against Leeds. Needs to work on just keeping things simple and retaining possession.

And then people will moan because he’s not playing killer passes!

It’s a bit of a viscous circle

Does he get stuck on the centre circle a lot?

Ha ha, didn’t notice that. Flippin auto spell 😂
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: brontebilly on April 10, 2021, 07:50:38 PM
Decent chance for him to make an impression today but had a shocker. Without the ball, he couldn't get remotely close to their midfield and with the ball his limitations were painfully evident. Might be the end of the road for him today with us, we need a far better defensive midfielder for next season.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 10, 2021, 07:57:07 PM
Decent chance for him to make an impression today but had a shocker. Without the ball, he couldn't get remotely close to their midfield and with the ball his limitations were painfully evident. Might be the end of the road for him today with us, we need a far better defensive midfielder for next season.
The midfield was a shambles, no shape and Liverpool passed straight through us, Nakamba was the only one holding position and did win the ball a few times. Not sure all the blame is with him.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: brontebilly on April 10, 2021, 08:33:48 PM
Decent chance for him to make an impression today but had a shocker. Without the ball, he couldn't get remotely close to their midfield and with the ball his limitations were painfully evident. Might be the end of the road for him today with us, we need a far better defensive midfielder for next season.
The midfield was a shambles, no shape and Liverpool passed straight through us, Nakamba was the only one holding position and did win the ball a few times. Not sure all the blame is with him.

Certainly the other two aren't blameless but they improved a lot when Nakamba went off. He didn't cover, press or pass particularly well. He was lost in truth.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: pelty on April 10, 2021, 09:35:18 PM
Decent chance for him to make an impression today but had a shocker. Without the ball, he couldn't get remotely close to their midfield and with the ball his limitations were painfully evident. Might be the end of the road for him today with us, we need a far better defensive midfielder for next season.

Thought he was miles better than Luiz. And did McGinn play today?
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: brontebilly on April 10, 2021, 09:41:37 PM
Decent chance for him to make an impression today but had a shocker. Without the ball, he couldn't get remotely close to their midfield and with the ball his limitations were painfully evident. Might be the end of the road for him today with us, we need a far better defensive midfielder for next season.

Thought he was miles better than Luiz. And did McGinn play today?

Luiz had a very good second half I thought. McGinn, poor for sure. Assist aside, nearly every other pass hit a red shirt.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 15, 2021, 06:03:03 AM

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Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 15, 2021, 07:33:53 AM
top bloke.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Ian. on April 15, 2021, 08:00:20 AM
Yep, that’s an brilliant thing to do. Well done.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on April 15, 2021, 08:53:40 AM
Class from Nakamba!
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Footy-Vill on April 15, 2021, 09:17:47 AM
A great Christian act from a dedicated and professional Christian in sport.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Drummond on April 15, 2021, 09:29:00 AM
He's just a nice guy who's doing good things, it's irrelevant what religion, if any, he is.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: colin69 on April 15, 2021, 09:41:38 AM
Read about this yesterday, lovely thing to do. Well done Marv.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: in exile on April 15, 2021, 11:39:06 AM
Lovely thing to do. Top man.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: eamonn on April 15, 2021, 01:04:40 PM
He's just a nice guy who's doing good things, it's irrelevant what religion, if any, he is.

He might not see it that way, if he is.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on April 15, 2021, 09:49:30 PM
It's always nice to see footballers doing things like this.

I think we look better with Marvellous in the team than Luiz who flatters to deceive (more skilled but less good at the job). Of course Luiz is young and will become a fine player eventually. Would still like an upgrade on both for next season though.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: paul_e on April 15, 2021, 10:34:58 PM
It's always nice to see footballers doing things like this.

I think we look better with Marvellous in the team than Luiz who flatters to deceive (more skilled but less good at the job). Of course Luiz is young and will become a fine player eventually. Would still like an upgrade on both for next season though.

I disagree with the first bit. The difference between them, in my opinion, is that the better the team is playing the better Luiz looks and vice versa for Nakamba. I have nothing againstnakamba but he's the sort of player you need in the team if you're regularly being overrun, when you're controlling the game he offers nothing.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Mister E on April 16, 2021, 09:06:48 AM

... the better the team is playing the better Luiz looks and vice versa for Nakamba. I have nothing against nakamba but he's the sort of player you need in the team if you're regularly being overrun, when you're controlling the game he offers nothing.
I'd put this rather differently: when Nakamba plays, he seems to free up the midfielders ahead of him, to have a freer / more offensive role. Luiz - whom I like alot - is perhaps less disciplined at covering the defence.
As with other players, I've argued recently that the last 10 games of the season should have been a time for experimenting with personnel and set-ups, but we're not really seeing that; an opportunity missed, maybe.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: brontebilly on April 16, 2021, 10:24:14 AM
It's always nice to see footballers doing things like this.

I think we look better with Marvellous in the team than Luiz who flatters to deceive (more skilled but less good at the job). Of course Luiz is young and will become a fine player eventually. Would still like an upgrade on both for next season though.

Luiz hasn't had a great season, though I thought he had a good second half at Liverpool, but the level of his performances last season post restart were at a level Nakamba can only dream of.

Nakamba is certainly a likeable sort but he is a long way short of what we need I think. Luiz is capable of taking the ball from the back (though needs to start doing a lot more of it), Nakamba with his limitations isn't unfortunately.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Footy-Vill on April 18, 2021, 07:28:58 PM
I think Nakamba will be playing Wednesday v Man City makes sense to have him in a disruptive and combative influence in the middle
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Steve67 on April 18, 2021, 10:03:18 PM
I think Nakamba will be playing Wednesday v Man City makes sense to have him in a disruptive and combative influence in the middle

This is not the player I recognise. 
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 18, 2021, 10:46:31 PM
Marv is too careless on the ball, he frequently makes poor mistakes even when attempting fairly simple passes. I don’t know if that’s because he plays so few games, or he plays so few games because of this failing. But he rarely has a good game.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: DrGonzo on May 23, 2021, 06:54:29 PM
So... looked much better in the last two games.  As with some of our other signings looking much more comfortable in the PL now.  Is he a keeper?  Or, was this just a flash in the pan?

 I think there's enough there to at least give him another season.  McGinn obviously relishes
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 23, 2021, 06:56:50 PM
MGinn is better when Nakamba plays
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: LeeB on May 23, 2021, 06:59:56 PM
MGinn is better when Nakamba plays

That's a good point.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Smithy on May 23, 2021, 07:01:05 PM
He's SO good when we're under pressure, I lost count today the number of times he won the ball, got an interception or a toe on the ball to prevent Chelsea making progress - we definitely look a more solid defensive unit when he plays.

If he was a bit better on the ball he'd easily be a £50m player, which is probably why he doesn't make the first-11 in games where we're likely to spend more time on the front foot.

I like him a lot, and he definitely has a part to play in our squad next season (unless we can find the money to replace him with someone who can do what he does AND has composure when in possession - which is a big ask)
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Flamingo Lane on May 23, 2021, 07:01:16 PM
MGinn is better when Nakamba plays

That's exactly what I've been thinking this afternoon.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: OCD on May 23, 2021, 07:02:16 PM
MGinn is better when Nakamba plays

That highlights the need for a quality defensive midfielder in summer.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: LukeJames on May 23, 2021, 07:03:08 PM
Done well the last couple of games, i suspect we will be spending heavily in the Summer on a Nakamba/Luiz hybrid.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: eamonn on May 23, 2021, 07:03:15 PM
The last day of his second season and he finally emulated Nigel Reo Coker. Marvellous.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: robleflaneur on May 23, 2021, 07:05:54 PM
Brilliant today .It would have to be a very good player to replace him.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 23, 2021, 07:07:46 PM
At his best today.
Excellent
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: LeeB on May 23, 2021, 07:10:10 PM
Done well the last couple of games, i suspect we will be spending heavily in the Summer on a Nakamba/Luiz hybrid.

Edouard Camavinga. He's apparently told Arsenal no because he wants European football, but really it's because they're shite and he's too polite to say.

£50m should get it done.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Steve67 on May 23, 2021, 07:12:48 PM
MGinn is better when Nakamba plays

That highlights the need for a quality defensive midfielder in summer.

THIS, ALL DAY LONG!!  Marvellous had a great game today and might yet become that player but this is the area to be addressed first for me.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 23, 2021, 07:25:41 PM
Marvellous Nakamba is a brilliant back up to a proper DM. I don’t think that is Doug’s best position but he’s done some unheralded work in making our defence what it has become. But we saw in the first season he can get forward and score some screamers. His challenge now having lost that DM position in the last two games is to become an effective CM.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: darren woolley on May 23, 2021, 07:26:13 PM
He played well today.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Clampy on May 23, 2021, 07:28:29 PM
He was actully Marvelous.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: eamonn on May 23, 2021, 10:44:27 PM
Of all our CMs, Marvelous is the only one who is clearly good at a specific role (stopper/water-carrier). All the others are half-decent at various bits of a midfielder's game but without one particularly strong suit. Maybe as good a reason to keep him as any.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 23, 2021, 10:49:14 PM
He was acatully Marvelous.

It takes a great deal of ability to quote yourself and still make spelling mistakes. Well done.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Risso on May 23, 2021, 10:50:45 PM
Of all our CMs, Marvelous is the only one who is clearly good at a specific role (stopper/water-carrier). All the others are half-decent at various bits of a midfielder's game but without one particularly strong suit. Maybe as good a reason to keep him as any.

Had a decent game today but overall he's not really good enough. The centre of midfield is an area that needs addressing in the summer. We need more strength, passing, pace and goal threat.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Clampy on May 24, 2021, 07:33:49 AM
He was acatully Marvelous.

It takes a great deal of ability to quote yourself and still make spelling mistakes. Well done.

Alcohol had been consumed.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: john e on May 24, 2021, 07:35:58 AM
He had a great game yesterday
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 25, 2021, 09:39:55 AM
Interesting how much game time Marv will have this season
There has been recent talk that Everton and Crystal Palace want to sign him.
In January the African nations is taking place in Cameroon so both Nakamba would like a sufficient match time but also his absence has to be noted for his specialist position and cover in the team

Made 13 league matches  last season  and we won 9.
One at this time to keep for me as a useful squad player who be used in certain matches
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Steve67 on July 25, 2021, 09:49:17 AM
Good stat Footy.  But I agree with Risso, if we can get someone with more consistency and keep Marv to continue improving, rather than sell him to Palace or Everton, that would be my preference.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: dave shelley on July 25, 2021, 10:08:11 AM
Marv appears to be making steady progress, perhaps it's down to a combination of being settled, good coaching and awareness of what Premier League football is all about.  I'd definitely keep him.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: kipeye on July 25, 2021, 10:42:19 AM
I still say Nakamba is better than Gueye was at the same stage. He is stronger all round and as the potential to be the perfect anchorman.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Mister E on July 25, 2021, 10:46:50 AM
Marv appears to be making steady progress, perhaps it's down to a combination of being settled, good coaching and awareness of what Premier League football is all about.  I'd definitely keep him.
I agree with you, Dave.
Albeit a friendly, yesterday he played well and his passing was pretty reasonable. Definitely continuing to improve.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Ads on July 25, 2021, 04:00:49 PM
Perhaps the key with Marv is the fewer games he plays, the less consistency is an issue. Over 38, you might see a drop off in form for a good 30%, which is a significant chunk. But when he's playing 15-20 games and with specific plans in place, it might be easier to achieve that consistency.

His biggest weakness is moving the ball on quickly and efficiently.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Chris Smith on July 25, 2021, 05:51:59 PM
I still say Nakamba is better than Gueye was at the same stage. He is stronger all round and as the potential to be the perfect anchorman.

He’s no Ron Burgandy.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: john e on July 25, 2021, 06:07:55 PM
I still say Nakamba is better than Gueye was at the same stage. He is stronger all round and as the potential to be the perfect anchorman.

He’s no Ron Burgandy.

Remember someone on here met a Ex Villa player I think at a Stoke game think he was called Graves
No one could find hide nor hair of him in the history books
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: jwarry on July 25, 2021, 07:07:36 PM
Best player on the park yesterday.  He has clearly learned and has stepped up a level and might well save us a lot of money
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Risso on July 25, 2021, 09:21:05 PM
I still say Nakamba is better than Gueye was at the same stage. He is stronger all round and as the potential to be the perfect anchorman.

He’s no Ron Burgandy.

Remember someone on here met a Ex Villa player I think at a Stoke game think he was called Graves
No one could find hide nor hair of him in the history books

Andrew Greaves! Stuff of H&V folklore!
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: not3bad on July 25, 2021, 09:29:04 PM
Marv will be vital in the early part of the season when Doug is still recovering from the Summer's exertions and it's great to see he's carried on the form he ended last season with. One to watch for sure.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 25, 2021, 09:41:58 PM
Marv will be vital in the early part of the season when Doug is still recovering from the Summer's exertions and it's great to see he's carried on the form he ended last season with. One to watch for sure.

He’s done enough in his fleeting appearances to be given chance.  From the start of the season until, say, october he should be given the opportunity to prove himself.  It’d give Luiz a proper rest too.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: kipeye on July 30, 2021, 10:16:52 AM
I still say Nakamba is better than Gueye was at the same stage. He is stronger all round and as the potential to be the perfect anchorman.

He’s no Ron Burgandy.

Remember someone on here met a Ex Villa player I think at a Stoke game think he was called Graves
No one could find hide nor hair of him in the history books
God what have I done!
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 14, 2021, 04:41:03 PM
Far from marvelous.
Thought he been atrocious in his ball control and passing ..way off standard required
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: OCD on August 14, 2021, 05:03:21 PM
Petrov he isn't.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: paul_e on August 14, 2021, 05:11:12 PM
Today is the sort of game that shows up his weaknesses, doesn't read the game well enough to cut things off so he spends long periods chasing shadows. A couple of really poor passes when he had time to pick his spot as well.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Risso on August 14, 2021, 05:13:04 PM
Yep, if anybody needed any more reminders that this guy isn't up to it, hopefully today showed just how limited he really is.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: CT Villan on August 14, 2021, 05:22:58 PM
Not his best game in a Villa shirt, but I've seen him play worse.

There are other players (and coaches) I would blame ahead of him today.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 14, 2021, 05:30:47 PM
Luiz is simply a much better DM for me even if he has his flaws (given he's 22).

Not ideal but I'd be calling him off holiday early next week. Richarlison played and scored for Everton today.

Andrew Greaves better than Nakamba aswell....
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: dicedlam on August 14, 2021, 05:30:53 PM
Marvellous is a liability.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Risso on August 14, 2021, 05:46:37 PM
Not his best game in a Villa shirt, but I've seen him play worse.


That's not exactly a glowing recommendation!
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 14, 2021, 06:24:09 PM
Showed exactly why he’s not good enough to be any more than a squad filler. His use of the ball is consistently well below the required standard.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: sickbeggar on August 14, 2021, 06:28:51 PM
Today he was Moribund Nakamba.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Monty on August 14, 2021, 06:30:21 PM
I've never seen a player have so many attempts at a first touch.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Steve67 on August 14, 2021, 09:34:39 PM
If Everton and Crystal Palace still want him.  I volunteer to do the transport.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: LukeJames on August 14, 2021, 09:37:14 PM
I have genuinly never taken to him, miles off what we need, cant pass, press or tackle to a standard that we need. If the Everton interest is genuine and we can get anywhere near our money book then I'd be all over that if I was Purslow.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: TheMalandro on August 14, 2021, 09:41:26 PM
I have genuinly never taken to him, miles off what we need, cant pass, press or tackle to a standard that we need. If the Everton interest is genuine and we can get anywhere near our money book then I'd be all over that if I was Purslow.

You rate him higher than I do.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 14, 2021, 09:44:04 PM
If Everton and Crystal Palace still want him.  I volunteer to do the transport.

Problem is who would have played instead today that would have been an improvement? Sanson, Ramsey, Luiz and McGinn are the other options and they are all worse DM players than Nakamba. Granted they are all better players too, but not for that role.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Steve67 on August 14, 2021, 09:52:19 PM
You're quite right Ashton, we don't have anyone else and that is part of the same problem.  We have players coming back but they are no more defensive than Nakamba.  We need to buy a couple.  Even if we have to use AEG and others in swap deals or to raise money.  What gets me is that we can all see it, but the Villa staff can't.  Opposition managers see it and use it against us.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: eamonn on August 14, 2021, 11:12:43 PM
I've never seen a player have so many attempts at a first touch.

Nigel Reo-Choker ?
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: aj2k77 on August 15, 2021, 12:59:45 AM
Wank again from him, I don't see what anyone see's in him. So limited as a footballer.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Steve67 on August 15, 2021, 09:15:33 AM
He's neat and tidy at times, but lacks the consistency and physicality for this league. 
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Big Ming on August 15, 2021, 10:24:37 AM
He wins the ball sometimes, but he can't keep, carry or distribute it.
 His passing is suicidal. Squad option at best.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: OzVilla on August 15, 2021, 12:13:12 PM
If you’re genuinely aiming for European places then Nakamba cannot be anywhere near the starting line up, horribly limited player.



Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: eamonn on August 15, 2021, 12:23:29 PM
He'll always have Spurs away May 2021 as a high-point. Harry's last home game at Tottenham too, they can both meet for a pint and a reminisce in 2040.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 15, 2021, 12:31:17 PM
The biggest problem yesterday was that he seemed to keep roaming too far forward and not sitting, leaving us exposed. The full backs we’re doing it too, especially Cash.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 15, 2021, 12:56:26 PM
The biggest problem yesterday was that he seemed to keep roaming too far forward and not sitting, leaving us exposed. The full backs we’re doing it too, especially Cash.

Exactly this. He's nearly a really good player, but he has all too human lapses of concentration/technique. We need a superhuman, in that position in particular.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Risso on August 15, 2021, 01:04:38 PM
The biggest problem yesterday was that he seemed to keep roaming too far forward and not sitting, leaving us exposed. The full backs we’re doing it too, especially Cash.

Exactly this. He's nearly a really good player, but he has all too human lapses of concentration/technique. We need a superhuman, in that position in particular.

I don't agree that Nakamba is nearly really good. He's barely adequate and looks distinctly Championship standard. I do agree about the superhuman midfielder being needed though. Get somebody brilliant in that position and it really does make a huge difference all over the pitch.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 15, 2021, 01:21:57 PM
The biggest problem yesterday was that he seemed to keep roaming too far forward and not sitting, leaving us exposed. The full backs we’re doing it too, especially Cash.

Exactly this. He's nearly a really good player, but he has all too human lapses of concentration/technique. We need a superhuman, in that position in particular.

I don't agree that Nakamba is nearly really good. He's barely adequate and looks distinctly Championship standard. I do agree about the superhuman midfielder being needed though. Get somebody brilliant in that position and it really does make a huge difference all over the pitch.

I disagree with your disagreement! He did some good things yesterday - his run and through ball to Ings was sublime, for example, and he was one of the few players in that abysmal first half who kept showing up. But you never really feel like you can trust him for 90 minutes.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Drummond on August 15, 2021, 02:36:46 PM
He can be brilliant but he's inconsistent.

I'm sure that Smith, Lange et al can see it but want the right man in to that space. There aren't a lot of them around right now.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Big Ming on August 25, 2021, 06:46:15 AM
Labouring the point, I know but was it Marvelous who misplaced a square pass just 5 minutes into the second half causing Steer's only serious save? They only replayed the save.

A better team than Barrow would have punished that.

Really got to cut it out or it will cost us vital PL points.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Demitri_C on August 25, 2021, 06:58:11 AM
For me he was the only player who disappointed. His passing was woeful at times. I have massive concerns that if luiz gets injured nakamba would be the replacement.

If Everton runours are true id happily let him go if we get a replacement in
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Bobby Boy on August 25, 2021, 07:00:44 AM
Labouring the point, I know but was it Marvelous who misplaced a square pass just 5 minutes into the second half causing Steer's only serious save? They only replayed the save.

A better team than Barrow would have punished that.

Really got to cut it out or it will cost us vital PL points.

No, that was Hourihane.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: KRS on August 25, 2021, 07:30:17 AM
I’m afraid he’s simply not good enough at this level or the level we want to get to. I’d much rather one of the youth lads learn their trade in the first team than Nakamba stealing a living as a footballer (may be a slight exaggeration but he’s shit).
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Mister E on August 25, 2021, 08:20:45 AM
I’m afraid he’s simply not good enough at this level or the level we want to get to. I’d much rather one of the youth lads learn their trade in the first team than Nakamba stealing a living as a footballer (may be a slight exaggeration but he’s shit).
Lindley has been excellent for the youf as a DMF, I believe. Not sure he's quite up to it yet, though.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: LeeB on August 25, 2021, 08:42:23 AM
All of the youngsters looked more comfortable on the ball than him last night. He's got useful qualities in terms of winning the ball, but he never looks truly at home in possession. As I've seen said here before, he's better when we're playing better sides and role is simplified to just stopping the opposition.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 25, 2021, 08:48:03 AM
Yeah, people moan that we need someone to break up play. Nakamba does that better than any of our other players and gets moaned at for not being Lothar Matthaus in possession. He still has an important role to play this season and, unless we bring at least one player in, I'd be reluctant to let him leave.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: KRS on August 25, 2021, 09:38:47 AM
When your first touch is to win the ball back but your second is to misplace your pass and give it back to them an an even worse position (consistently and repeatedly) then his role isn’t of much significance. We need to 2 more in midfield so we have options alongside Luiz…Nakamba shouldn’t be one of them.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: aj2k77 on August 25, 2021, 10:01:33 AM
Teams immediately above us last season had the likes of Philips and Rice playing as DM for them. Nakamba is miles off that quality. If we want to improve, that's the gap we need to narrow. Players with massive deficiencies aren't going to help us break into the top 8/6.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: oldtimernow on August 25, 2021, 10:27:55 AM
All of the youngsters looked more comfortable on the ball than him last night. He's got useful qualities in terms of winning the ball, but he never looks truly at home in possession. As I've seen said here before, he's better when we're playing better sides and role is simplified to just stopping the opposition.

perhaps he saw his role as a more senior member of the team and did not have the same confidence in his younger teammates as he has in his more experienced ones. This meant he was falling between two stools.
When he does the simple stuff he does it ok, not so much when it's a bit more complex.
He will now realise that the kids have the skills and potential and that he can get on with doing the things he knows best.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: oldtimernow on August 25, 2021, 10:30:04 AM
I’m afraid he’s simply not good enough at this level or the level we want to get to. I’d much rather one of the youth lads learn their trade in the first team than Nakamba stealing a living as a footballer (may be a slight exaggeration but he’s shit).
Lindley has been excellent for the youf as a DMF, I believe. Not sure he's quite up to it yet, though.

Yes but he needs to develop physically, reminds me of a very young Sid
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Risso on August 25, 2021, 10:38:47 AM
He's just not good enough, either as a starter or as back up, for where we want to be. The players who do start in the DCM positions, aren't really good enough at it as it's not their natural game, so to repeat a common comment on here, we need a new midfielder.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: mr underhill on August 25, 2021, 10:52:37 AM
Yes, he isn't Marvellous and needs upgrading - not his fault, just another ill judged signing from 2019.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on August 25, 2021, 10:57:52 AM
Different time, 2019. We needed players, and tbf he didn't look too shabby in his first two or three appearances. But he's not kept pace with our progression, we've left him behind a bit.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Smithy on August 25, 2021, 11:02:34 AM
Yes, he isn't Marvellous and needs upgrading - not his fault, just another ill judged signing from 2019.

I think that's really harsh on him.  Do we want an upgrade now, in 2021? Yes. Was he good enough for a squad that stayed in the premier league in their first year back and consolidated to 11th in their second year? Also yes.  The fact that a player we bought to help us maintain our premier league status isn't now good enough to help us push for the top 6 isn't a sign that buying him was 'ill-judged', it just means he's done his job and now we're looking for better, that's all.

If our trajectory is to continue along the lines we hope it will, there will be plenty more Nakambas over the next few years, with players we brought in to do a job but are no longer of the required standard.  It doesn't make Nakamba (or whoever is next) a bad buy, it just means we've improved - which is obviously a good thing!
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 25, 2021, 11:07:05 AM
Teams immediately above us last season had the likes of Philips and Rice playing as DM for them. Nakamba is miles off that quality. If we want to improve, that's the gap we need to narrow. Players with massive deficiencies aren't going to help us break into the top 8/6.

Only one team has Phillips and Rice playing for them, probably the best pairing in the league. Who do West Ham have as backup? That's the comparison. I doubt it is anyone significantly better than our Marv. He's good enough for a squad place.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: brontebilly on August 25, 2021, 11:15:44 AM
Yeah, people moan that we need someone to break up play. Nakamba does that better than any of our other players and gets moaned at for not being Lothar Matthaus in possession. He still has an important role to play this season and, unless we bring at least one player in, I'd be reluctant to let him leave.

Our biggest problem I'd suggest is the inability of our midfield to get turned on the ball when pressed by the opposition. Nakamba is a liability really in that scenario and he isn't anywhere near good enough without the ball to compensate.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Risso on August 25, 2021, 11:22:19 AM
Teams immediately above us last season had the likes of Philips and Rice playing as DM for them. Nakamba is miles off that quality. If we want to improve, that's the gap we need to narrow. Players with massive deficiencies aren't going to help us break into the top 8/6.

Only one team has Phillips and Rice playing for them, probably the best pairing in the league. Who do West Ham have as backup? That's the comparison. I doubt it is anyone significantly better than our Marv. He's good enough for a squad place.

Phillips plays for Leeds mate...
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: mr underhill on August 25, 2021, 11:42:27 AM
I was being a tad harsh on him but we paid too much and in all honesty, he didn't look much better than League 2 level last night.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: OCD on August 25, 2021, 11:49:52 AM
While others have improved, he seems to have gone backwards from the performances he gave against Tottenham and Chelsea at the end of last season (and even then, a misplaced pass led to Tottenham's goal).

We're missing an Ndidi/Allan/Hojberg/Phillips/Rice type that the teams around us have, which could make a real difference to us. We're very much relying on Luiz discovering the form he was in after lockdown and early last season.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Risso on August 25, 2021, 11:50:20 AM
Teams immediately above us last season had the likes of Philips and Rice playing as DM for them. Nakamba is miles off that quality. If we want to improve, that's the gap we need to narrow. Players with massive deficiencies aren't going to help us break into the top 8/6.

Only one team has Phillips and Rice playing for them, probably the best pairing in the league. Who do West Ham have as backup? That's the comparison. I doubt it is anyone significantly better than our Marv. He's good enough for a squad place.

He's reaching the end of his career now, but West Ham's back up in that position to Soucek and Rice was Noble. But anyway, both of their players in that position are miles better than the two players we've got doing the job.  We've got two players who aren't natural sitting midfielders, and then a replacement who despite being a natural DCM, just isn't very good. It's the very, very obvious weak spot in the team.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 25, 2021, 11:55:03 AM
Teams immediately above us last season had the likes of Philips and Rice playing as DM for them. Nakamba is miles off that quality. If we want to improve, that's the gap we need to narrow. Players with massive deficiencies aren't going to help us break into the top 8/6.

Only one team has Phillips and Rice playing for them, probably the best pairing in the league. Who do West Ham have as backup? That's the comparison. I doubt it is anyone significantly better than our Marv. He's good enough for a squad place.

Phillips plays for Leeds mate...
I wish he played for us.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: aj2k77 on August 25, 2021, 04:34:28 PM
Well we bid for him got turned down and downgraded to Nakamba. I'm not sure who scouted him but file him under Wesley and shit.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: not3bad on September 19, 2021, 01:05:21 PM
Thought Nakamba put in a real shift when he came on yesterday. Great performance.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: OCD on September 19, 2021, 01:14:42 PM
Yeah, think he's back to the levels he was at near the end of last season now.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: nigel on September 19, 2021, 01:20:13 PM
Fitted in really nicely when he came on.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 19, 2021, 01:23:00 PM
Teams immediately above us last season had the likes of Philips and Rice playing as DM for them. Nakamba is miles off that quality. If we want to improve, that's the gap we need to narrow. Players with massive deficiencies aren't going to help us break into the top 8/6.

Only one team has Phillips and Rice playing for them, probably the best pairing in the league. Who do West Ham have as backup? That's the comparison. I doubt it is anyone significantly better than our Marv. He's good enough for a squad place.

Phillips plays for Leeds mate...

Meh, Leeds, England. Similar kits.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: LeeB on September 19, 2021, 02:18:53 PM
Teams immediately above us last season had the likes of Philips and Rice playing as DM for them. Nakamba is miles off that quality. If we want to improve, that's the gap we need to narrow. Players with massive deficiencies aren't going to help us break into the top 8/6.

Only one team has Phillips and Rice playing for them, probably the best pairing in the league. Who do West Ham have as backup? That's the comparison. I doubt it is anyone significantly better than our Marv. He's good enough for a squad place.

Phillips plays for Leeds mate...

Meh, Leeds, England. Similar kits.

Both followed by an inordinate number of arseholes.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on September 19, 2021, 02:33:51 PM
Different time, 2019. We needed players, and tbf he didn't look too shabby in his first two or three appearances. But he's not kept pace with our progression, we've left him behind a bit.


I wish to change my mind, if I may, please. Certainly as at worst a backup, he's it, until he's dead or we find someone better. Once again we didn't concede whilst he's on the pitch. Moved the ball well, and he seems to have completely cut out that trait he once had of giving away free kicks around our box.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 19, 2021, 04:51:47 PM
By my count that's now three games this season he's looked a different player compared to last, the most positive thing now he's quickly moving the ball on. Losing SJM yesterday had me very worried but Nakamba came on and was indeed marvelous.
Only real concern was at least once he wanted to drift forward, not that I blame him but I'd much prefer he sticks to what he's good at and frees up Luiz and Ramsey to do the same.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 19, 2021, 05:05:32 PM
He's fine in these type of games when he comes on and we need to protect the league.

Games like Watford on opening day he was dreadful.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 19, 2021, 05:12:14 PM
He's fine in these type of games when he comes on and we need to protect the league.

Games like Watford on opening day he was dreadful.

He wasn't alone. Watford was a shambles all over the pitch. Plus, he didn't come on yesterday to protect a lead, he came on and helped us dominate the midfield. You'll get there in the end, SHQ. ;)
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 19, 2021, 05:18:14 PM
He's fine in these type of games when he comes on and we need to protect the league.

Games like Watford on opening day he was dreadful.

He wasn't alone. Watford was a shambles all over the pitch. Plus, he didn't come on yesterday to protect a lead, he came on and helped us dominate the midfield. You'll get there in the end, SHQ. ;)

Indeed I thought we made the sub at 1-0! Lose track with all the drama of that ten minutes.

I'm not a huge fan but would be wrong to say he dosen't have good games as he did second half of last season. He's a good squad player but no more than that.

Interesting what club do as he has 18 months left on his deal and we obviously have some very promising CMs coming through and wanted to sign another in the summer.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 19, 2021, 05:25:56 PM
I think Dean has had a word in his ear about moving the ball on quicker, not to complicate things and Marvelous is repaying that faith with improved performances. Horses for courses, we'll need him over the season if he maintains his current level.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Mister E on September 19, 2021, 06:53:05 PM
Well we bid for him got turned down and downgraded to Nakamba. I'm not sure who scouted him but file him under Wesley and shit.
Feeling lucky, punk?
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 19, 2021, 07:01:14 PM
He's fine in these type of games when he comes on and we need to protect the league.


Assuming you mean lead, rather than league, we had no lead to protect when he came on yesterday.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on September 19, 2021, 07:07:14 PM
I think Dean has had a word in his ear about moving the ball on quicker, not to complicate things and Marvelous is repaying that faith with improved performances. Horses for courses, we'll need him over the season if he maintains his current level.

Or, as Smith, Shakespeare et al probably like to refer to it as, coached him. Probably falls under the coaching part of a coach's remit.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Risso on September 19, 2021, 07:12:22 PM
I'm not sure why, but I think he suits coming on as a sub more than being a starter, for the most part.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: caster troy on September 19, 2021, 09:59:28 PM
Nakamba was rubbish against Watford but so was most of the team, we simply were not prepared for that match. Yesterday he was excellent and I think he has a big part to play for us this season.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: algy on September 20, 2021, 07:49:04 AM
He's fine in these type of games when he comes on and we need to protect the league.


Assuming you mean lead, rather than league, we had no lead to protect when he came on yesterday.
Think you've answered your own question. It can't be the lead he was protecting, since we didn't have one. Therefore, it was written as intended, SHQ has some inside info that he's let slip and knew that the 3pts against Everton was needed for the glorious day at the end of May, when Joe gets to see us lift the league title at the Emptihad after an emphatic 7(SEVEN)-0 victory, where he gets subbed on and subbed off again.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Risso on September 20, 2021, 10:57:26 AM
I think Nakamba's improvement is further proof as to just how shit 4-2-3-1 is. Nobody looks good in it, nobody.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 20, 2021, 11:01:15 AM
He's fine in these type of games when he comes on and we need to protect the league.


Assuming you mean lead, rather than league, we had no lead to protect when he came on yesterday.
Think you've answered your own question. It can't be the lead he was protecting, since we didn't have one. Therefore, it was written as intended, SHQ has some inside info that he's let slip and knew that the 3pts against Everton was needed for the glorious day at the end of May, when Joe gets to see us lift the league title at the Emptihad after an emphatic 7(SEVEN)-0 victory, where he gets subbed on and subbed off again.

That does indeed make the most sense now that I've thought about it.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: chrisw1 on September 20, 2021, 11:02:08 AM
Thought he was really good on Saturday.  I appreciate he's no world beater, but when on form he does a really decent job for us.  I reckon if people saw a highlights reel a lot would be saying he's exactly what we need!
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 20, 2021, 12:48:09 PM
I think Nakamba's improvement is further proof as to just how shit 4-2-3-1 is. Nobody looks good in it, nobody.

During the Euros in the summer, some top former international player made the comment (about playing both Phillips and Rice) that as defensive midfielder you prefer to own the role and playing with two only confuses the issue.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on September 20, 2021, 12:53:08 PM
Thought he was really good on Saturday.  I appreciate he's no world beater, but when on form he does a really decent job for us.  I reckon if people saw a highlights reel a lot would be saying he's exactly what we need!
Hear hear.

Always feel a little tentative when he comes on but he was absolutely solid on Saturday.
Marvellous in fact!
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: paul_e on September 20, 2021, 12:53:36 PM
The only teams that should be playing 4231 consistently are ones with a genuine destroyer alongside a Pirlo-style genius or teams that dominate the ball so much that they can play 2 box-to-box players behind a genuine 10 (as Man City do). Far most teams 4141 or some variant of that will be more effective.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: LeeB on September 20, 2021, 12:54:03 PM
I think Nakamba's improvement is further proof as to just how shit 4-2-3-1 is. Nobody looks good in it, nobody.

I think it's the same for Ollie up top.

During the Euros in the summer, some top former international player made the comment (about playing both Phillips and Rice) that as defensive midfielder you prefer to own the role and playing with two only confuses the issue.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Jon Crofts on September 23, 2021, 01:57:35 PM
What a humble & decent young man his Twitter apology shows him to be, compare and contrast with pocket tweets of AMG Mercedes cars.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: chrisw1 on September 23, 2021, 01:59:26 PM
Thought he had a very good game last night.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: caster troy on September 23, 2021, 04:01:41 PM
Excellent again last night. I'm not convinced that if we'd gone and spunked 40m on a DM in the summer they would have performed much better than Marv has so far this season. If he carries on like this we need to think about a new contract for him.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Demitri_C on September 23, 2021, 06:45:13 PM
Delighted he stepped up and took a pen ahead of a youngster. Thats the way to do it gareth.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: wittonwarrior on September 23, 2021, 08:00:33 PM
not my favourite player but can't fault him last night all round.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 23, 2021, 11:54:19 PM
Nakamba has to be back of the queue for penalties as he's just not got ability to strike a ball to score a goal.
Has uses but certainly no El Goalzi from the spot.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 22, 2021, 09:31:32 AM
I really don't rate this guy kicking a football ability but do feel he adds , in certain games  and circumstances,  quality of some protective shield and tackling (although varied) ability

If we could find an upgrade for a footballer who can play and sit in pivot that wouldn't be marvellous it would be even better.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Brazilian Villain on October 26, 2021, 12:17:56 AM
What do you do when you have the richest owners in World football?

Try and sign Marvelous Nakamba of course. https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/gossip
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on October 26, 2021, 12:22:59 AM
What do you do when you have the richest owners in World football?

Try and sign Marvelous Nakamba of course. https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/gossip

Start the bidding at £50m.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: sid1964 on October 26, 2021, 06:34:42 AM
£15 million for Marvelous - that proves that Newcastle have more money than sense

Cant see them being interested in any player until they get a DOF and a new manager
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: villa for life on October 26, 2021, 01:44:54 PM
£15 million for Marvelous - that proves that Newcastle have more money than sense

How’s that? That would be a steal. A very underrated player.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 31, 2021, 09:01:45 PM
Showed the required spirit and some lovely interceptions and tackling if not the quality in playing passes including playing it out for a throw in trying to pass back to Cash when Marv started a run with the ball?!
Puzzling but I've decided he's a poundland version of Kante
Just a trier but nothing special. Had energy though and one of better players although really weak footballing ability.

Was fouled for sure and even Fornals could have gone but look at the antics he did.
I mean marvelous roll on

https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/12456606/he-almost-rolled-down-the-tunnel
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Risso on October 31, 2021, 10:12:07 PM
One superb scything tackle similar to the thunderbastard tackle he did against Man City in the League Cup final. Other than that, lots of very crap passing and not much good play. Him against the West Ham midfield was a total mismatch.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: The_ads on October 31, 2021, 10:15:05 PM
He is enthusiastically shit.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: VILLA MOLE on October 31, 2021, 10:17:18 PM
he did the best of a crap midfield
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: aj2k77 on October 31, 2021, 10:38:57 PM
Headless donkey.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Villa Lew on November 01, 2021, 12:23:06 AM
His play acting was embarrassing
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on November 01, 2021, 12:25:25 AM
His play acting was embarrassing

It's probably the worst I've seen for a few years in terms of amounts of rolls. He even chucked in a pike
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: KRS on November 01, 2021, 12:39:01 AM
I counted 4 full rolls. Embarrassing.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: adrenachrome on November 01, 2021, 12:41:09 AM
His play acting was embarrassing

It's probably the worst I've seen for a few years in terms of amounts of rolls. He even chucked in a pike

It was a salmon leap according to my angling amigo.

He had a good spell, but was mostly absent.

Looking at the team formations on Google, West Ham played 4-2-3-1. 2 holding midfield players. Ours was Marvelous, who's not going to holding much at the end of the day. 
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: LukeJames on November 01, 2021, 05:51:29 AM
The bloke couldn't hold a door open.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: sid1964 on November 01, 2021, 06:31:29 AM
he is dreadful, if we can get £15 million for him I would drive him to Newcastle
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: richtheholtender on November 20, 2021, 10:54:06 PM
I've just watched kante goal v Leicester. I also considered marvellous to be our version of kante, think we'll ever see him score a goal like that?
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Aldridge Villa on November 20, 2021, 11:00:59 PM
Nope, but equally applies to most of our midfielders
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 20, 2021, 11:02:43 PM
He did well to start the move for our first goal today.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Exeter 77 on November 20, 2021, 11:05:35 PM
If Nakamba could pass the ball after he has won it we could be looking at a very good player
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Jon Crofts on November 20, 2021, 11:11:58 PM
If Nakamba could pass the ball after he has won it we could be looking at a very good player

Like today where he completed 27 of 28 passes with a 96.4% accuracy rate?
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Exeter 77 on November 20, 2021, 11:32:49 PM
If Nakamba could pass the ball after he has won it we could be looking at a very good player

Like today where he completed 27 of 28 passes with a 96.4% accuracy rate?
I've just seen that it certainly didn't feel like that. I think I've focused on the one he gave away.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: not3bad on November 20, 2021, 11:33:42 PM
Nakamba was very good today I think and Gerrard will consider him a useful player.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: ROBBO on November 21, 2021, 03:46:47 AM
Not sure why he is rubbished on a regular basis, he was the only defensive midfielder today and did just fine, his passing has been in question in the past but surely not today.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: KevinGage on November 21, 2021, 07:55:18 AM
I like him. I like his energy and he was very good today.

We still need better in that position, but I wouldn't be crazy about selling him (and def not for the figures touted). He does what he does better than anyone else currently on the books.

If we do manage to get someone in, let's try to embrace the weird notion of squad depth.

I have a feeling that McGinn and Luiz will need rotating this season anyway, with their summer schedules on the back of the last two weird seasons.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: PeterWithe on November 21, 2021, 10:12:25 AM
If Nakamba could pass the ball after he has won it we could be looking at a very good player

Like today where he completed 27 of 28 passes with a 96.4% accuracy rate?

Really, that’s surprised me

I thought he looked far better when we upped the tempo a bit and pressed them, then he regained possession quite a few times as he’s pretty quick over 5-10 yards.

When we have the ball maybe he’s got the reputation he’s got because, even though he doesn’t give it away, he looks like he’s going to. He did well yesterday but I still think it might be the first position looked at for an upgrade, as it should have been in the summer.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: supertom on November 21, 2021, 10:42:34 AM
People question Nakamba's passing largely because he's only ever gonna pass it sideways. There have been occasions he's got caught on the ball in past games, but with regular game time that'll drop. He's in one of the most thankless roles a team has. He's not making the last ditch CH tackles. He's not gonna score or make goals. If he goes by unnoticed he's doing his job well. But he wouldnt be the first anchorman who gets shredded for every misplaced pass.
Maybe we need an upgrade with someone who can carry the ball and transition us forward better, but if we can get our balance right in midfield, and Nakamba is the one to do the quiet work (and allow SJM more license forward) so be it. He's the only player we have who can do it. Ahead of him, we can hopefully get more consistency from two of SJM/Luiz/Ramsey/Carney and maybe Sanson (if he can reattached his legs).
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Risso on November 21, 2021, 10:48:36 AM
I think the whole team was told to be a lot tighter in possession yesterday, and not give the ball away stupidly. Only Super John didn't seem to get the memo, but he was great again so we'll let him off. Nakamba just did the simple things well, and wasn't it his pass to Young that started our attack that led to the first goal?
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: frank black on November 21, 2021, 10:58:27 AM
If Nakamba could pass the ball after he has won it we could be looking at a very good player

Like today where he completed 27 of 28 passes with a 96.4% accuracy rate?

This doesn’t count the times he did the hard part by winning the ball, only to have it taken back off him before he tried a pass. I actually quite like him, but can we afford to give him a run of games to iron out his obvious deficiencies? It’s absolutely the right position we need to fill in January if possible
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Drummond on November 21, 2021, 10:58:59 AM
He's good at his specialist area, and his distribution (and the movement of the person receiving it) need to be better.

Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Nii Lamptey on November 21, 2021, 11:13:24 AM
Really?! Maybe he did make those passes, but that performance is not what I saw from the Trinity yesterday. Kept making tackles then hesitating and holding onto it for too long and getting the ball stolen off him again.

Do think it could be a confidence thing, so maybe we do just give him a run in the team to find his feet? That probably does mean leaving out either Ramsay or Luis though.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on November 21, 2021, 11:14:31 AM
If Nakamba could pass the ball after he has won it we could be looking at a very good player

Like today where he completed 27 of 28 passes with a 96.4% accuracy rate?

This doesn’t count the times he did the hard part by winning the ball, only to have it taken back off him before he tried a pass. I actually quite like him, but can we afford to give him a run of games to iron out his obvious deficiencies? It’s absolutely the right position we need to fill in January if possible


It's infuriating! He's really good at winning the ball back, gives away very few free kicks in doing what he does, and he's shown he's more than capable of giving the ball to a teammate. But so often he gets his pocket picked in the instant after he's just done it to the opposition. He needs to develop a trick, a roll, a step, something he can instinctively deploy once he's won the ball that will give him that crucial split second to move the ball to somewhere safe so's he can get his head up.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: sickbeggar on November 21, 2021, 11:31:00 AM
I thought he did quite well but we need better in there. If you're going to become a possession side then 37% of it at home shows we're a way off. - its not like we scored early and they were chasing the game. I mean possession isn't everything as the scoreline shows but still....
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: darren woolley on November 21, 2021, 11:48:24 AM
He played well yesterday.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on November 21, 2021, 12:18:28 PM
I thought he did quite well but we need better in there. If you're going to become a possession side then 37% of it at home shows we're a way off. - its not like we scored early and they were chasing the game. I mean possession isn't everything as the scoreline shows but still....


I know, I know, but there does come a point where there's only so much you can do when the other side are almost prepared to tuck the ball under their arm and bugger off home if that's what it takes to stop you getting a kick of it. I think Potter's becoming trapped inside his own ideological triangle.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Bobby Boy on November 21, 2021, 01:01:32 PM
I think the whole team was told to be a lot tighter in possession yesterday, and not give the ball away stupidly. Only Super John didn't seem to get the memo, but he was great again so we'll let him off. Nakamba just did the simple things well, and wasn't it his pass to Young that started our attack that led to the first goal?

Yes, his contribution to the goal was key. He intercepted a dangerous Brighton cross near our 6 yard box and then brought it out and played a simple ball to Young His composure in that moment was impressive. It would have been easy for him to just clear it.

I like his combativeness. He was good yesterday.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Vegas on November 21, 2021, 01:10:36 PM
Thought he was ok, but not quite “good”. His positioning was pretty good and he got his foot in, but he’s a bit lightweight and often didn’t come away with the ball despite being on the right place at the right time. His passing accuracy was good, and he was great for Watkins’ goal, but too often it’s a pass backwards to the centre backs which looks good on the stats but doesn’t really do much when you’re at 0-0.

He’s not a liability and seems quite a likeable chap, but I just can’t see enough in him to suggest he can be the base of a top 8 / top 6 midfield.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: paul_e on November 21, 2021, 01:51:46 PM
My concern with him has always been the reading of the game more than anything else. Yesterday he was a little better and the first goal was down to him doing exactly the job he's there for. If he starts doing that side of things more often I'll be much less nervous about him being in there.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: caster troy on November 21, 2021, 01:59:31 PM
Yesterday it was like he watched Bissouma for half an hour and realised that is the role he should be playing for us, by the end he was on that level. I'm sure we keep more clean sheets with him in the team on average.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 21, 2021, 02:07:04 PM
He was poor in the first half but got better as the game progressed.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: achilles on November 21, 2021, 02:31:25 PM
I don't think people will ever be satisfied with the job he does, as it is a thankless job breaking up play and it often involves getting a foot in but potentially not having/getting control of the ball.

We are a much worse side without him and we have nobody else who can do his thankless job!
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Mister E on November 21, 2021, 05:24:20 PM
I don't think people will ever be satisfied with the job he does, as it is a thankless job breaking up play and it often involves getting a foot in ... and we have nobody else who can do his thankless job!
Apart from Douglas?
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Proposition Joe on November 21, 2021, 05:36:35 PM
My favourite moment from him yesterday was when Brighton were faffing about with the ball 35+ yards from our goal and we were all in our box. Then out nowhere, Nakamba just explodes out faster than Steve Bruce in Fifa 22 and wins the ball. Very much a "where the hell did that come from?" moment.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Dave P on November 21, 2021, 05:46:30 PM
My concern with him has always been the reading of the game more than anything else. Yesterday he was a little better and the first goal was down to him doing exactly the job he's there for. If he starts doing that side of things more often I'll be much less nervous about him being in there.

His involvement in our first goal yesterday was top class. Intercepted the cross, composure to bring it clear and passing it to Young. The whole goal was quality but Nakamba really started it.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: paul_e on November 21, 2021, 07:32:30 PM
My concern with him has always been the reading of the game more than anything else. Yesterday he was a little better and the first goal was down to him doing exactly the job he's there for. If he starts doing that side of things more often I'll be much less nervous about him being in there.

His involvement in our first goal yesterday was top class. Intercepted the cross, composure to bring it clear and passing it to Young. The whole goal was quality but Nakamba really started it.

Yep, and that's exactly what I want in a DM, read the play, win the ball and start a counter attack. The best of them will do something like that 6-7 times in a game almost every week, Rice in particular is a master at it.  If they add goals and long ranging passes on top then great but that's window dressing for me.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: LeeB on November 22, 2021, 08:30:41 AM
My concern with him has always been the reading of the game more than anything else. Yesterday he was a little better and the first goal was down to him doing exactly the job he's there for. If he starts doing that side of things more often I'll be much less nervous about him being in there.

His involvement in our first goal yesterday was top class. Intercepted the cross, composure to bring it clear and passing it to Young. The whole goal was quality but Nakamba really started it.

Yep, and that's exactly what I want in a DM, read the play, win the ball and start a counter attack. The best of them will do something like that 6-7 times in a game almost every week, Rice in particular is a master at it.  If they add goals and long ranging passes on top then great but that's window dressing for me.

And he can do that, it's just the other side like when we took a short free kick to him in the first half and he shit himself and gave up the ball under the slightest pressure.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Risso on November 22, 2021, 09:14:30 AM
I think one of Nakamba's biggest weaknesses is that he can't or won't run with the ball. When we got that hiding off West Ham, both Soucek and Rice loved driving forwards. It draws midfielders and defenders out of position when you've got players like that. Ramsey is great at it to be fair.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: UK Redsox on November 22, 2021, 09:19:41 AM
Marv sometimes breaks up play like he's Kante but then turns into Brad Guzan when the ball's at his feet.

I think that Ramsey could be an option long-term in that holding role.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: paul_e on November 22, 2021, 09:57:29 AM
Marv sometimes breaks up play like he's Kante but then turns into Brad Guzan when the ball's at his feet.

I think that Ramsey could be an option long-term in that holding role.

I want us to train Chuk to do it, every time I've seen him it's convinced me more that he could be perfect for it.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Risso on November 22, 2021, 02:29:36 PM
Agreed Paul. Although Ramsey seems a likely option as well. Love watching him bursting forward with the ball, he gets bums off seats.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Smithy on November 23, 2021, 11:03:21 AM
Marv sometimes breaks up play like he's Kante but then turns into Brad Guzan when the ball's at his feet.

I think that Ramsey could be an option long-term in that holding role.

I want us to train Chuk to do it, every time I've seen him it's convinced me more that he could be perfect for it.

I genuinely think top-class DMs are born, not made.  Much like top-class centre-forwards.  I don't like the idea of taking promising youngsters and trying to coach them into positions that aren't naturally them, it feels like a mistake.  Chuck seems to be an attacking midfielder, 8 or 10, so I'd like to see if he can make the grade there first.  We could end up creating and pretty good DM at the expense of missing out on a world-class 10!
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: paul_e on November 23, 2021, 11:18:57 AM
Marv sometimes breaks up play like he's Kante but then turns into Brad Guzan when the ball's at his feet.

I think that Ramsey could be an option long-term in that holding role.

I want us to train Chuk to do it, every time I've seen him it's convinced me more that he could be perfect for it.

I genuinely think top-class DMs are born, not made.  Much like top-class centre-forwards.  I don't like the idea of taking promising youngsters and trying to coach them into positions that aren't naturally them, it feels like a mistake.  Chuck seems to be an attacking midfielder, 8 or 10, so I'd like to see if he can make the grade there first.  We could end up creating and pretty good DM at the expense of missing out on a world-class 10!

From what I've seen he's at his best when he starts deeper and carries the ball forward, it's why he works well with Aaron Ramsey who is a more typical 10/attacking midfielder. Iroegbunam as the 3rd part of that is great as well because he's similar to chuk but more focused on spreading play and changing the point of the attack. I know the whole 'double-pivot' thing is a bit of a cliche but Chuk and Iro behind someone who is more free to drift is, for me, the best way to setup a midfield. In the senior squad Luiz and McGinn can fill the Iro and Ramsey roles but we don't have the ball-carrying driving force in there with them and that's where I'd like to see Chuk come through. It's why I liked Locatelli in the summer and have mentioned Skhiri a few times recently, they'd bring that balance we're missing.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Chris Smith on November 23, 2021, 11:43:11 AM
Marv sometimes breaks up play like he's Kante but then turns into Brad Guzan when the ball's at his feet.

I think that Ramsey could be an option long-term in that holding role.

I want us to train Chuk to do it, every time I've seen him it's convinced me more that he could be perfect for it.

I genuinely think top-class DMs are born, not made.  Much like top-class centre-forwards.  I don't like the idea of taking promising youngsters and trying to coach them into positions that aren't naturally them, it feels like a mistake.  Chuck seems to be an attacking midfielder, 8 or 10, so I'd like to see if he can make the grade there first.  We could end up creating and pretty good DM at the expense of missing out on a world-class 10!

From what I've seen he's at his best when he starts deeper and carries the ball forward, it's why he works well with Aaron Ramsey who is a more typical 10/attacking midfielder. Iroegbunam as the 3rd part of that is great as well because he's similar to chuk but more focused on spreading play and changing the point of the attack. I know the whole 'double-pivot' thing is a bit of a cliche but Chuk and Iro behind someone who is more free to drift is, for me, the best way to setup a midfield. In the senior squad Luiz and McGinn can fill the Iro and Ramsey roles but we don't have the ball-carrying driving force in there with them and that's where I'd like to see Chuk come through. It's why I liked Locatelli in the summer and have mentioned Skhiri a few times recently, they'd bring that balance we're missing.

I think it was noticeable on Saturday that Ramsey was carrying the ball more than i had seen him do before and, even though he got caught in possession a couple of times, it seemed to suit him. He’s a physically stronger player than even last season so I can see that being something Gerrard perseveres with.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: paul_e on November 23, 2021, 12:07:22 PM
Marv sometimes breaks up play like he's Kante but then turns into Brad Guzan when the ball's at his feet.

I think that Ramsey could be an option long-term in that holding role.

I want us to train Chuk to do it, every time I've seen him it's convinced me more that he could be perfect for it.

I genuinely think top-class DMs are born, not made.  Much like top-class centre-forwards.  I don't like the idea of taking promising youngsters and trying to coach them into positions that aren't naturally them, it feels like a mistake.  Chuck seems to be an attacking midfielder, 8 or 10, so I'd like to see if he can make the grade there first.  We could end up creating and pretty good DM at the expense of missing out on a world-class 10!

From what I've seen he's at his best when he starts deeper and carries the ball forward, it's why he works well with Aaron Ramsey who is a more typical 10/attacking midfielder. Iroegbunam as the 3rd part of that is great as well because he's similar to chuk but more focused on spreading play and changing the point of the attack. I know the whole 'double-pivot' thing is a bit of a cliche but Chuk and Iro behind someone who is more free to drift is, for me, the best way to setup a midfield. In the senior squad Luiz and McGinn can fill the Iro and Ramsey roles but we don't have the ball-carrying driving force in there with them and that's where I'd like to see Chuk come through. It's why I liked Locatelli in the summer and have mentioned Skhiri a few times recently, they'd bring that balance we're missing.

I think it was noticeable on Saturday that Ramsey was carrying the ball more than i had seen him do before and, even though he got caught in possession a couple of times, it seemed to suit him. He’s a physically stronger player than even last season so I can see that being something Gerrard perseveres with.

Agreed, that driving running was why so many people were impressed with him at the weekend.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: eamonn on November 26, 2021, 11:31:09 AM
JJ was the first player Gerrard spoke/whispered to on the final whistle, if you've got the gaffer's eyes on you from the get-go, it's a positive sign.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: OCD on November 26, 2021, 11:38:20 AM
Friend of a friend was in the Director's lounge after the game Saturday and apparently the word going round was that the new coaching staff think that they've got a couple of 'worldies' on their hands in JJ and Douglas Luiz.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: manic-road on November 27, 2021, 05:07:05 PM
Was marvelous today, deserved to keep his place after last weeks performance against Brighton.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Smirker on November 27, 2021, 05:09:15 PM
Some lovely tackles today.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: villa for life on November 27, 2021, 05:12:39 PM
Marvelous finally getting appreciated. Blatantly obvious he was always a marvelous player. Thank you Gerrard for also seeing it.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: OCD on November 27, 2021, 05:16:13 PM
Gerrard getting the best out of him. In the first half he was winning the ball back in positions really high up the park.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Olof's Beard on November 27, 2021, 05:16:54 PM
Man of the Match today, not for the first time either. He isn't perfect but he's a lot better than he's given credit for much of the time too. It's not easy being in and out of the team as often as he is but his attitude is unquestionable.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: astonvilla82 on November 27, 2021, 05:21:00 PM
Credit to him, had a good game
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Exeter 77 on November 27, 2021, 05:35:46 PM
I criticised him probably unfairly last week but he was fantastic as the defensive shield today.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: supertom on November 27, 2021, 06:38:10 PM
One thing that has been unfortunate for Nakamba was that after a difficult first six months, from project restart onward, he's been largely decent when he's played, but under Deano, for whatever reason, he never got a good run in the side. Even perhaps at times last season when our form dipped with Joe out, and Douglas had a dip too. Marv has had the odd niggle here and there but he's probably warranted more consistent game time than he's had, notably because our midfield has a little more bite with him in the side.

Perhaps Gerrard will be more inclined to play the players on form, or who show enough to win their place. You'd look at how Nakamba and Young have played in the last two and it seems that way. Nakamba really hasn't done too much wrong in the past 18 or so months for me. In shocking games he's often less culpable than some others were. He has limitations but he also seems to be potentially key in how Gerrard plays.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: SamTheMouse on November 27, 2021, 06:50:28 PM
I've been critical of his quality, but credit where it's due, he did well today.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Risso on November 27, 2021, 07:38:04 PM
Douglas Luiz isn't going to walk straight back into the team, especially given his poor cameo today. Well done Marvellous though, he was everywhere today.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 27, 2021, 07:39:08 PM
Luiz always looks like a red card to waiting to happen. Nakamba stays disciplined.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: DrGonzo on November 27, 2021, 08:07:11 PM
Gerrard is playing him where he does his best work, in front of the back 4 in the middle.  We don't need 2 men in there, which was, in my opinion, one of Dean's major problems always wanting to defend the defence.  He sat in the Makelele Hole and did his job.  If his passing was 20% better he'd be a very good player.  Worth keeping especially if Dougie is going to go all prima donna on us.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Chris Smith on November 27, 2021, 08:14:13 PM
Luiz always looks like a red card to waiting to happen. Nakamba stays disciplined.

Marvelous had a good game today but got booked trying to recover after his own mistake.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 27, 2021, 08:25:33 PM
He was very good in the second half last week, if he can just work on his concentration and decision making.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: nigel on November 27, 2021, 08:53:33 PM
Gerrard is playing him where he does his best work, in front of the back 4 in the middle.  We don't need 2 men in there, which was, in my opinion, one of Dean's major problems always wanting to defend the defence.  He sat in the Makelele Hole and did his job.  If his passing was 20% better he'd be a very good player.  Worth keeping especially if Dougie is going to go all prima donna on us.

I don’t know about today, but I’m sure someone said his passing stats vrs Brighton was 97%

You don’t want your DM to be a fancy Dan
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Aldridge Villa on November 27, 2021, 10:19:01 PM
When Marv plays well, we win. On his off days seems to be an Alan Wright like scapegoat. Keep up the good work Marv.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Beard82 on November 27, 2021, 10:43:09 PM
I think he’s genuinely pretty effective most of the time.  He has limits but he can be very effective.
TBH - I think he gets too much stick - I’m less annoyed by a limited player who sometimes come up short then some of our other players who have the talent but are inconsistent
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: KevinGage on November 27, 2021, 11:05:37 PM
In a narrow midfield, with the wider players tucking in as well, he looks far more effective.

Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 27, 2021, 11:14:13 PM
I don’t mean this sound like a dig but it’s going to. The fact the Marv has become so important just shows poor our midfield play overall has been. We are never going to be a dominant midfield if Marv is one of our best players.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: eamonn on November 28, 2021, 12:18:50 AM
Luiz always looks like a red card to waiting to happen. Nakamba stays disciplined.

Marvelous had a good game today but got booked trying to recover after his own mistake.

Yes, scythed down Zaha, deserved the yellow he got.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: ROBBO on November 28, 2021, 12:21:10 AM
He's not there to look pretty, it's his job to win the ball in midfield and break up the play, he did that perfectly today.
Never looks tired he could play another ninety.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: ozzjim on November 28, 2021, 12:25:12 AM
Luiz always looks like a red card to waiting to happen. Nakamba stays disciplined.

Marvelous had a good game today but got booked trying to recover after his own mistake.

Yes, scythed down Zaha, deserved the yellow he got.

Shame it was the one thing he didn't do properly all game. What a disgrace of a player Zaha is. Literally more concerned with provocation and cheating than playing most of the time. It's a shame, as he's a talent.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: eamonn on November 28, 2021, 12:39:17 AM
And the biggest moaner/grumpy bastard stuck playing with his "beloved" Palace. Like you say great talent but hard to like.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Dave P on November 28, 2021, 07:42:13 AM
Luiz always looks like a red card to waiting to happen. Nakamba stays disciplined.

Marvelous had a good game today but got booked trying to recover after his own mistake.

Yes, scythed down Zaha, deserved the yellow he got.

He absolutely did and we was very lucky the competition winner ref didn’t play an advantage.

That has been the only real mistake Marv has made in 2 games though. Excellent again in a very important position.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: JD on November 28, 2021, 08:50:01 AM
Luiz always looks like a red card to waiting to happen. Nakamba stays disciplined.

Marvelous had a good game today but got booked trying to recover after his own mistake.

Yes, scythed down Zaha, deserved the yellow he got.

Worth getting a yellow card to scythe down that twat.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: KevinGage on November 28, 2021, 08:57:08 AM
Aye, you'd take the yellow all day for that.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Bobby Boy on November 28, 2021, 09:46:47 AM
Nakamba was great yesterday. Continually stopped Palace getting forward, broke up play and some astute passing to get us going.

He will make mistakes and he will have games where he will be less effective but this is true of everyone.

I'd like him to have a run of games when he knows he is going to play. I'm sure we'd see him grow as a player if he knew he was trusted by the manager.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Risso on November 28, 2021, 10:24:49 AM

I'd like him to have a run of games when he knows he is going to play. I'm sure we'd see him grow as a player if he knew he was trusted by the manager.

Well until he gets dropped that seems to be the case at the moment.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Luke8 on November 28, 2021, 10:58:26 AM
I don’t mean this sound like a dig but it’s going to. The fact the Marv has become so important just shows poor our midfield play overall has been. We are never going to be a dominant midfield if Marv is one of our best players.

Broadly agree with this. It’s noticeable that he has had two decent games where we have had less than 40% possession. We are currently set up in a way that accentuates his positive attributes and does a good job of hiding his weaknesses. Imagine he will be very useful at times (next three games in particular) but may struggle if we look to become more expansive or control games with possession rather then without.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Mister E on November 28, 2021, 11:52:19 AM
I don’t mean this sound like a dig but it’s going to. The fact the Marv has become so important just shows poor our midfield play overall has been. We are never going to be a dominant midfield if Marv is one of our best players.
Broadly agree with this. It’s noticeable that he has had two decent games where we have had less than 40% possession. We are currently set up in a way that accentuates his positive attributes and does a good job of hiding his weaknesses. Imagine he will be very useful at times (next three games in particular) but may struggle if we look to become more expansive or control games with possession rather then without.
Presumably these are games where Luiz (or Chuky or Sanson) will get the nod over Marv.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: sickbeggar on November 28, 2021, 12:03:30 PM
Thought he did well again compared to some of the others and Mr Gerrard obviously rates him whatever his limitations. May even not be him who is replaced this January if he buys a central midfielder.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Risso on November 28, 2021, 01:21:22 PM
87% pass completion rate yesterday, following last week when it was high 90s. He's turning into a quietly effective player.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: LeeB on November 29, 2021, 10:23:44 AM
Luiz always looks like a red card to waiting to happen. Nakamba stays disciplined.

Marvelous had a good game today but got booked trying to recover after his own mistake.

Yes, scythed down Zaha, deserved the yellow he got.

It led to the worst free kick I've ever seen though, which was funny.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: paul_e on November 29, 2021, 11:18:24 AM
Wednesday will be a better showcase of whether he can step up than the last 2 games, if he comes out of that one without people calling him out as not good enough then it might save us some money in January.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: chrisw1 on November 29, 2021, 11:33:18 AM
Wednesday will be a better showcase of whether he can step up than the last 2 games, if he comes out of that one without people calling him out as not good enough then it might save us some money in January.
Yep, if he's not brilliant against one of the best teams in the world then we should definitely shelve him.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Risso on November 29, 2021, 11:35:18 AM
Luiz always looks like a red card to waiting to happen. Nakamba stays disciplined.

Marvelous had a good game today but got booked trying to recover after his own mistake.

Yes, scythed down Zaha, deserved the yellow he got.

It led to the worst free kick I've ever seen though, which was funny.

Not sure about that Lee, did you see Bailey’s in the first half? Dear oh fucking dear.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Risso on November 29, 2021, 11:38:18 AM
Does anybody remember who he did that thunderbastard tackle on in the League Cup final? Second half as I recall. If Greasy is playing, I hope Marvelous has got one of those saved up for him.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: LeeB on November 29, 2021, 11:53:09 AM
Luiz always looks like a red card to waiting to happen. Nakamba stays disciplined.

Marvelous had a good game today but got booked trying to recover after his own mistake.

Yes, scythed down Zaha, deserved the yellow he got.

It led to the worst free kick I've ever seen though, which was funny.

Not sure about that Lee, did you see Bailey’s in the first half? Dear oh fucking dear.

There's spooning them over the bar or miles wide, but then there's chipping it onto the chest of an opponent ten yards away then having to chase back and hack down your opponent, being lucky not to get sent off.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Risso on November 29, 2021, 11:54:34 AM
Chipping it into the chest of an opponent is exactly what Bailey did, just without the subsequent chasing back.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: LeeB on November 29, 2021, 11:57:18 AM
Chipping it into the chest of an opponent is exactly what Bailey did, just without the subsequent chasing back.

Ah, ok, our stream was fucking shit and we missed pretty much every key moment.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: paul_e on November 29, 2021, 12:02:46 PM
Wednesday will be a better showcase of whether he can step up than the last 2 games, if he comes out of that one without people calling him out as not good enough then it might save us some money in January.
Yep, if he's not brilliant against one of the best teams in the world then we should definitely shelve him.

If you want to read it like that go ahead butthere's a whole range of options between briliant and not good enough that you've decided to ignore. That said my point was more that we played a brighton team that are pretty toothless and a palace team that are better but have mostly coasted on the back of very good form from gallagher so neither are teams where I'd have expected a DM to struggle to have an impact. Wednesday is a step up and how well he handles that will go a long way towards deciding if he can be the player we all wanted in the summer.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: chrisw1 on November 29, 2021, 12:24:53 PM
He was decent against Brighton and very good verses Palace.  I doubt he's the long term answer, but I've seen our entire team play poorly against Man City and if that happens again on Wednesday I won't be writing them all off.  He needs to be judged over a period of games and this is just one of them.  Of course in the unlikley event he dominates against City then that would be a big tick.  But I don't expect him to and if he doesn't I doubt that will be the deciding factor in any decison Gerrard makes.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: LeeB on November 29, 2021, 12:39:01 PM
He's fine in games were we're not going to dominate possession, when the onus is on us to open up a team sitting deep is when his limitations show up a bit.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: eamonn on November 29, 2021, 01:09:47 PM
So please let's see Morgan in for those ones.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Risso on November 29, 2021, 01:13:49 PM
He's fine in games were we're not going to dominate possession, when the onus is on us to open up a team sitting deep is when his limitations show up a bit.

The trouble is, none of our current three midfielders are really known for being best mates with Mr Pass.  Ramsey is all about driving forward with the ball, Nakamba will win it back and play it simple, and McGinn is all about being the attacking midfielder. When you need to slow things down, keep things steady and just retain the ball for a bit, none of them are brilliant at it. Luiz is probably the best at it, but he was horribly shit when he came on against Palace, so can’t see him starting for a while yet until he gets some fitness back.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: DrGonzo on November 29, 2021, 02:07:26 PM
Let's not write Palace off either.  They aren't a Cityesque team, but they were unbeaten at home and one of the form sides in the division.  Marvellous performed at a very high level against a very decent opponent.  You can only play the team in front of you, and we have been congratulating him for that not waiting for him to potentially fail in the future.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Dante Lavelli on November 29, 2021, 07:32:59 PM
Nakamba is one of those selfless players that raise the game of the other midfielders.  His ceiling is probably 7/10 but that sort of performance will give the other two midfielders the opportunity to be 9/10. 

Not that he should be excused poor performances but it might be better to judge him based on how all three players perform rather than his performance alone.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: LeeB on November 29, 2021, 07:37:13 PM
Nakamba is one of those selfless players that raise the game of the other midfielders.  His ceiling is probably 7/10 but that sort of performance will give the other two midfielders the opportunity to be 9/10. 

Not that he should be excused poor performances but it might be better to judge him based on how all three players perform rather than his performance alone.

He's benefiting from having his teammates closer to him, rather than having to thread a pass which isn't his strong point. With good structure around him he can play.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 29, 2021, 07:56:01 PM
he's benefiting from being told to hold position, tackle when needed then play a nice simple pass to better players - he knows his role and he's good at it - sometimes managers over-complicate it.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Hookeysmith on November 29, 2021, 08:23:54 PM
Does anybody remember who he did that thunderbastard tackle on in the League Cup final? Second half as I recall. If Greasy is playing, I hope Marvelous has got one of those saved up for him.
Augero
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: tomd2103 on November 30, 2021, 12:12:45 AM
Got a lot of time for Marv, but even when he is having a good game, he is prone to make a a really poor error and usually in a dangerous area.  He is the type of player we need in that he is mobile and gets about the opposition, but we need someone with more quality on the ball. 
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: OzVilla on December 01, 2021, 10:52:46 PM
Did a great job for us tonight. Broke up play and turned us around, if only he had a pass. Still did what he was supposed to against this opposition. Getting better.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 02, 2021, 02:51:14 AM
I think he's improving at a faster rate than anyone, and it seems that Gerrard trusts him, which is probably fuelling that improvement. Good. He seems like a lovely bloke who deserves his chance.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: ROBBO on December 02, 2021, 03:41:37 AM
Marv made a couple of errors tonight but overall he was very good. He has to keep up his perormance level to change the minds of some.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 02, 2021, 05:54:49 AM
I thought he was excellent.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Axl Rose on December 02, 2021, 06:14:39 AM
I thought he was excellent.


Me too, mate. I thought he was hopeless before, but am happy to feast on humble pie.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: sid1964 on December 02, 2021, 06:15:27 AM
Ran about alot - did okay for me
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Ian. on December 02, 2021, 07:04:35 AM
He played very well last night, as he has in every game since Gerrard has taken us over.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: SamTheMouse on December 02, 2021, 07:51:45 AM
Another good performance last night. I don't know what Gerrard is telling him, but it's having the desired effect.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: LeeB on December 02, 2021, 09:17:54 AM
I also enjoyed his no-fucking-about exit when subbed, he legged it off and gave an enthusiastic display of encouragement his replacement.

Little things, but we're chasing an equaliser and it showed an appreciation of that and a commitment to the team ethic.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: paul_e on December 02, 2021, 10:09:50 AM
Did ok yesterday, looked a bit blown out so I'm not surprised he was replaced and there were a couple of times he won the ball and tried to play a pass he hasn't got the ability for and gave away possession again but he's showing he can be a big part of the squad. It makes the need for a new midfielder less urgent if he can keep this up.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Risso on December 02, 2021, 10:52:07 AM
He didn't really get near them first half, and lost out on a couple of 50/50 balls, but on the whole did OK. I'd quite like to see a Luiz/McGinn/Sanson midfield against Leicester though.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 02, 2021, 10:53:33 AM
I thought he was ok, but he still struggles with his distribution. Often when he wins the ball he’ll immediately give it away again.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: PeterWithe on December 02, 2021, 10:56:12 AM
The great thing about his poor distribution is that it immediately gives him the opportunity to make another tackle. I thought he did very well.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: chrisw1 on December 02, 2021, 11:47:04 AM
His passing against Palace was pretty good, less so yesterday but he's against a world class midfield.  Still pretty pleased with his last 3 games.  He deserves his place.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Bad English on December 02, 2021, 12:52:05 PM
I thought he was excellent.
Paul? Is that you?
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: not3bad on December 03, 2021, 09:25:42 PM
Congrats to Marv!

https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1466807188173860876?s=20
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: LukeJames on December 05, 2021, 06:59:50 PM
Who's this bloke that Gerrard brought in with him?

I called loudly for him to be moved on in the Summer, but he looks like a different animal under Gerrard. Keep it up Marv!
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: sickbeggar on December 05, 2021, 07:06:00 PM
Yeah he was superb today, especially clearing up the mistakes from our wayward passing.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on December 05, 2021, 07:16:38 PM
Not too long ago I'd fear the worst with him going into a 60/40 challenge. Now I'm surprised when he doesn't emerge with the ball from a 30/70. And he's picking a pass and we're keeping the ball. Keeps going at this rate and he could save us from desperately having to spend a few bob in January.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: astonvilla82 on December 05, 2021, 07:19:19 PM
Excellent today
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Smirker on December 05, 2021, 07:19:56 PM
This lad is living up to his name.

Marvelous, stupendous, monstrous, fabulous. Colossus.

Keep it up Marv.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Dante Lavelli on December 05, 2021, 07:21:30 PM
Not too long ago I'd fear the worst with him going into a 60/40 challenge. Now I'm surprised when he doesn't emerge with the ball from a 30/70. And he's picking a pass and we're keeping the ball. Keeps going at this rate and he could save us from desperately having to spend a few bob in January.

I agree.  Give him a bit longer to see if he can maintain this form.  Signing a midfielder in January will somewhat block the path of Ramsey and Chuk too so we need to be careful.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Richard E on December 05, 2021, 07:33:06 PM
He reminds me of Elmo in the sense that although he’s never going to be a world beater he does his job very effectively and always plays with a smile on his face. He was fantastic again today.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Rigadon on December 05, 2021, 07:44:43 PM
His the biggest transformation under SG.  Really good today again.  Could be our Kante (and I've never thought that once before the last month). 
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: fredm on December 05, 2021, 08:04:35 PM
But doesn’t he miss a few weeks in January for the African cup?
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: mrfuse on December 05, 2021, 08:11:28 PM
But doesn’t he miss a few weeks in January for the African cup?

Oh don't say that.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Bobby Boy on December 05, 2021, 08:27:00 PM
He was great again today. That block after Mings' error at the start of the second half was absolutely outstanding.

Good to hear that he's become a fans favourite too.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Dave on December 05, 2021, 08:32:23 PM
But doesn’t he miss a few weeks in January for the African cup?

Guess we're all "whoever is playing Zimbabwe" supporters for a bit.

I can't imagine he'll be hanging around all that long.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Three Spires Villa on December 05, 2021, 08:40:55 PM
Excellent today, good on ya
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: achilles on December 05, 2021, 08:58:43 PM
He reminds me of Elmo in the sense that although he’s never going to be a world beater he does his job very effectively and always plays with a smile on his face. He was fantastic again today.

Reminds me of Des Bremner, an essential cog in the works, outstanding today against a very good Leicester midfield! UTV
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: rougegorge on December 05, 2021, 09:07:32 PM
But doesn’t he miss a few weeks in January for the African cup?

Oh don't say that.
Yes, and I never thought a month ago I would have been too concerned about him missing games. However his transformation has been remarkable since Gerrard started. Hats off to Marvelous and the management!
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 05, 2021, 09:14:03 PM
He’s becoming undroppable at the moment. Shame some of that momentum will be interrupted with AFCON. But he’s been excellent lately.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: supertom on December 05, 2021, 09:19:41 PM
Improving a lot and a big part is actually just down to playing, getting a good run. He's definitely looking more confident and clear in what he's doing under Gerrard though and more impressively for me, aside from the things we know he can do, his forward passing and driving forward is improving too, as his close control under pressure. Bloody AFCON.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Exeter 77 on December 05, 2021, 09:32:55 PM
Spotted a Zimbabwean flag in the Lower Holte today.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: RichardBatchelor on December 05, 2021, 09:37:34 PM
Magnificent today and best player this season - thought he was even reasonably good in Dean’s last few games
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 05, 2021, 09:49:58 PM
He's been absolutely excellent. That has to be good work from the manager and his staff.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: DrGonzo on December 05, 2021, 11:36:57 PM
The wee fella is probably my favourite player at the moment.  Undemonstrative, unfussy.  He is doing exactly the job he is being asked to do: break up play, move the ball to a player that is more capable of production.  He isn't looking to be a showman.  I respect that, as the ego of footballers generally prevents this sort of performance.  Keep it up mon!
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: ROBBO on December 06, 2021, 01:21:25 AM
One of the commentators said he is the most improved player in the premiership.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 06, 2021, 01:58:32 AM
He's been excellent.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: puppyfeat on December 06, 2021, 02:34:49 AM
A stunning transformation in such a short time, he’s like a new signing. Huge credit to him and to the management team.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Risso on December 06, 2021, 07:46:42 AM
His passing is now much, much better than Douglas Luiz's, which is not something I thought I'd ever hear myself say.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Mister E on December 06, 2021, 09:10:59 AM
His passing is now much, much better than Douglas Luiz's, which is not something I thought I'd ever hear myself say.
Bloody hell, that's some statement; not that I'm disagreeing with you!
Luiz looked well out of sorts today and seems to slow the game down unnecessarily sometimes.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: LeeB on December 06, 2021, 09:16:14 AM
His passing is now much, much better than Douglas Luiz's, which is not something I thought I'd ever hear myself say.
Bloody hell, that's some statement; not that I'm disagreeing with you!
Luiz looked well out of sorts today and seems to slow the game down unnecessarily sometimes.

He was our best player against one of the best teams in the world the game before. I didn't think he was poor yesterday, not as good as Wednesday but not poor.

I wouldn't have said anyone was poor yesterday, and I can't real think of a poor individual performance in any game under Gerrard, everyone has contributed, and that says a lot.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Didier Five on December 06, 2021, 09:18:07 AM
He's been absolutely excellent. That has to be good work from the manager and his staff.

Also probably down to getting consistently picked rather than just starting the odd game.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Demitri_C on December 06, 2021, 09:18:38 AM
Has been excellent. Is going to be missed in jan.

We definitely going to need to get someone in as only luoz can play there unless he plans to use tuanzebe there?

I think this could be a option as axel has the attributes to be a very good dm
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 06, 2021, 09:23:03 AM
Has been excellent. Is going to be missed in jan.

Will probably only miss 2 league games (against Yanited and Everton) as Zim's group games are Jan. 10-18th.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: LeeB on December 06, 2021, 09:24:51 AM
Has been excellent. Is going to be missed in jan.

Will probably only miss 2 league games (against Yanited and Everton) as Zim's group games are Jan. 10-18th.

Two of the easier games then.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Dave on December 06, 2021, 09:27:22 AM
Has been excellent. Is going to be missed in jan.

Will probably only miss 2 league games (against Yanited and Everton) as Zim's group games are Jan. 10-18th.

And I don't think I'd fancy them to finish ahead of Senegal or Guinea.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: OCD on December 06, 2021, 11:36:33 AM
Iroegbunam made the bench yesterday so maybe an opportunity for him to come in and play the role in those games?
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Villa Lew on December 06, 2021, 01:03:32 PM
Marvelous has turned from being a very average Premier League DM to one of the best, great to see.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: frank black on December 06, 2021, 01:20:43 PM
Knew it!, just needed to be wanted and given a clear role it seems. Impressive turn of form, let’s hope he goes from strength to strength.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: darren woolley on December 06, 2021, 02:46:24 PM
He's really playing well I'm pleased for him.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: eamonn on December 06, 2021, 03:22:46 PM
Marv is a true believer, sorry to admit that I cast doubt on him more than once. Happy to repent now though. Does it mean going to church?
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: LeeB on December 06, 2021, 03:45:28 PM
Marv is a true believer, sorry to admit that I cast doubt on him more than once. Happy to repent now though. Does it mean going to church?

No, cruel and unusual punishments should be a thing of the past.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: JUAN PABLO on December 06, 2021, 03:59:24 PM
I always knew he was Marvellous .

Just didnt realise he would be this good. Fair play to him . Seems a good egg too .    Might save is a few quid in midfield especially with Sanson starting to settle too.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Gerrin on December 06, 2021, 04:16:03 PM
Has been excellent. Is going to be missed in jan.

We definitely going to need to get someone in as only luoz can play there unless he plans to use tuanzebe there?

I think this could be a option as axel has the attributes to be a very good dm

It's interesting that Gerrard clearly doesn't see Luiz competing with Marvelous, as it appeared Dean did. Marvelous is his first choice DM, and he's been absolutely brilliant. I think Sanson is slowly being eased in to replace Luiz in the 3.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: eamonn on December 06, 2021, 04:57:25 PM
Marv is a true believer, sorry to admit that I cast doubt on him more than once. Happy to repent now though. Does it mean going to church?

No, cruel and unusual punishments should be a thing of the past.

Wicked.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 06, 2021, 07:51:26 PM
Terrific yesterday. His distribution is getting better and if he nails that he can be a really handy player.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: SamTheMouse on December 06, 2021, 10:36:32 PM
Really excellent since Gerrard arrived. The narrower shape of the team means he doesn't get overrun all the time, and is better able to do his job.

Feel like perhaps I was judging him unfairly before.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Villafirst on December 06, 2021, 11:35:19 PM
Marvelous has turned from being a very average Premier League DM to one of the best, great to see.

Agree, plus the whole midfield looks miles better under Gerrard. McGinn is showing his Scotland form now. A beast yesterday.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: mrfuse on December 08, 2021, 01:17:14 AM
We have struck a deal with the Zimbabwe Football Association which will see Marvelous Nakamba missing the pre AFCON training camp & possibly fly directly to Cameroon for the tournament start
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Dave P on December 08, 2021, 08:33:54 AM
His passing is now much, much better than Douglas Luiz's, which is not something I thought I'd ever hear myself say.

His passing is probably better than our £36m playmaker who has been bought because of his passing.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: eamonn on December 08, 2021, 10:08:35 AM
A bit unfair. Emi can play a through-ball like no one else in the squad and his "remit" is to make things happen quickly so his pass-attempts are much more higher risk than Nakamba and his middle-third/square balls.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Drummond on December 08, 2021, 11:02:37 AM
A bit unfair. Emi can play a through-ball like no one else in the squad and his "remit" is to make things happen quickly so his pass-attempts are much more higher risk than Nakamba and his middle-third/square balls.

Yep, Nakamba gains possession and gives it to someone else to be creative and take the risks.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Dave P on December 08, 2021, 11:34:37 AM
I was being very flippant I accept.  On the whole, Emi does a lot more good work then bad.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: chrisw1 on December 13, 2021, 03:25:56 PM
Marv out and having a scan on his knee.

Just as he was hitting form, feel really sorry for the lad.  Hope it's not serious.

Time for Luiz and Sanson to step up.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on December 13, 2021, 03:29:46 PM
Time to rest/rotate a couple of the mid-fielders I think.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Hookeysmith on December 13, 2021, 03:33:31 PM
And maybe Norwich (who dont have the strongest midfield) and Burnley (where the ball will be in the air and bypassing our midfield most of the time they have it) is not a bad couple of games to be able to change it around.

Time for Sanson / Chuck and co to step up - 2 x decent wins and we have to start thinking like "He won't get back in"
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: eamonn on December 13, 2021, 04:49:43 PM
Hopefully he'll miss the African Nations Cup and can rest-up in Redditch instead.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 14, 2021, 05:40:43 PM
Oh FFS! https://theathletic.com/news/aston-villas-marvelous-nakamba-likely-to-miss-rest-of-the-season/WCyCyO0tpHU6/

Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on December 14, 2021, 05:41:46 PM
Fuck
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: usav on December 14, 2021, 05:44:05 PM
Wow.   I didn't even see anything that happened during the game or see him limping or anything and assumed he had been subbed off because he was kanckered.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: jwarry on December 14, 2021, 05:44:22 PM
That’s a shame. He was developing nicely under SG
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: aldridgeboy on December 14, 2021, 05:47:18 PM
Oh no gutted. If there’s one player that typifies our turnaround in form , it’s him.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: dave shelley on December 14, 2021, 06:00:05 PM
We do seem to have awful luck when it comes to long-term injuries.  Get well soon Marv.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Drummond on December 14, 2021, 06:00:25 PM
He's done so well. Really feel for the guy. His attitude has been exemplary.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Ian. on December 14, 2021, 06:00:50 PM
Absolutely gutted. He’s always done his very best for us and started to look a key part for us. What a shame for him and us.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: villadelph on December 14, 2021, 06:15:58 PM
If surgery is "up in the air" and to be decided within the next 48hrs what does that mean.. small meniscus tear?
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Vegas on December 14, 2021, 06:16:10 PM
FFS, I know every club thinks it but I really do think we have worse than average luck with injuries.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on December 14, 2021, 06:21:34 PM
Disappointing news, to put it mildly.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: West Derby Villan on December 14, 2021, 06:23:52 PM
Terrible news, feel so sorry for Marv as he was playing better every week under SG
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Rigadon on December 14, 2021, 06:34:16 PM
Absurdly bad luck for him and the club.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: OCD on December 14, 2021, 06:39:55 PM
He jogged off as though it was a tactical change.

If he's being ruled out for the rest of the season, that's probably an ACL injury.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Nunkin1965 on December 14, 2021, 06:42:46 PM
Gutted for the lad as he's been a real positive since SG came in. Wish him all the best in what is a long road to recovery.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: jwarry on December 14, 2021, 06:43:57 PM
He jogged off as though it was a tactical change.

If he's being ruled out for the rest of the season, that's probably an ACL injury.

You would have thought so but then there would be no decision to make about surgery?!?
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: usav on December 14, 2021, 07:06:04 PM
He jogged off as though it was a tactical change.

If he's being ruled out for the rest of the season, that's probably an ACL injury.

As someone who has torn their ACL, you ain't bloody jogging anywhere for several weeks.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: charleeco7 on December 14, 2021, 07:09:44 PM
I’m hoping (trying to stay positive)it’s more that Marv has a niggle which at some point needs surgery, so he has it now before he’s away on international duty, where he would miss games for us anyway. We therefore win in the long run.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Goldenballs on December 14, 2021, 07:23:02 PM
A real gutter, I've always liked the guy and I think that we've always looked a better, more balanced team with him in it.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: SamTheMouse on December 14, 2021, 07:31:29 PM
Fuck me. Aside from the obvious fact that he's a good lad and doesn't deserve this, it's of course happened when he's playing very well and has become an important cog in the team.

Why do we have such shit luck with injuries?
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Demitri_C on December 15, 2021, 06:40:45 AM
Best of luck with the recovery marvellous. You have been a revelation since Gerrards come. Rotten luck.

No question will have to dip into the transfer market come janaury now.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: PaulTheVillan on December 15, 2021, 07:51:57 AM
Awful news. He really started to look the business under Gerrard
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Risso on December 15, 2021, 09:37:43 AM
Terrible news for the lad, never thought he'd really make it with us so he must be distraught that when he finally gets his Villa career going, it's then stopped in its tracks. The only remote silver-lining is that we'll have to try to get a replacement, and then we'll still have Marvelous to come back.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: chrisw1 on December 15, 2021, 09:38:52 AM
Absolutely gutted for Marv and for us.  He was in the form of his life.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: LeeB on December 15, 2021, 09:39:51 AM
Terrible news for the lad, never thought he'd really make it with us so he must be distraught that when he finally gets his Villa career going, it's then stopped in its tracks. The only remote silver-lining is that we'll have to try to get a replacement, and then we'll still have Marvelous to come back.

Yes, the only crumb of comfort is it happening now and not on 1st of Feb.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: VILLA MOLE on December 15, 2021, 09:50:16 AM
have we had it confirmed he is out for the season ?
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: AV82EC on December 15, 2021, 09:53:13 AM
have we had it confirmed he is out for the season ?

Decision being made on surgery or otherwise today apparently.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Villan82 on December 15, 2021, 10:39:34 AM
Oh FFS! https://theathletic.com/news/aston-villas-marvelous-nakamba-likely-to-miss-rest-of-the-season/WCyCyO0tpHU6/

FFS, missed this. How can this happen just as he is developing into the player we have always wanted in that position? I was honestly beginning to think he could be the one we have lacked for the guts of a decade or more. His form has been sublime since SG came in. And now this. We do get awful luck with injuries.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Smithy on December 15, 2021, 10:52:12 AM
Didn't he leave the pitch under his own steam? If it's a serious knee injury then he must be a blood machine. Absolutely gutted for him, he's gone from being maligned by much of the support, to being an integral part of the Gerrard side and style, and now this.  Fingers crossed he comes back stronger.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: OCD on December 15, 2021, 11:29:21 AM
He jogged off as though it was a tactical change.

If he's being ruled out for the rest of the season, that's probably an ACL injury.

As someone who has torn their ACL, you ain't bloody jogging anywhere for several weeks.

That's kind of my point though. He jogged off with a smile on his face and now there's talk of it being a season ending injury. It's just very strange.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: adrenachrome on December 15, 2021, 11:41:49 AM
Quote
Aston Villa manager Steven Gerrard has confirmed that Warriors star Marvelous Nakamba has a knee injury and will be out for ‘a number of months’.

  Nakamba was taken off in the 57th minute of the Claret and Blue’s 0-1 defeat to Liverpool this past weekend, due to the setback.
 The soft spoken midfielder went to see a specialist yesterday, to determine whether or not to have surgery and Gerrard said the situation is not looking good.


“The best way to put it is that we’ve had confirmation that he has got a knee injury,” he said after Villa’s 2-0 win over Norwich City and Carrow Road last night.


“We’re really going have a serious chat tomorrow in terms of whether we want him to have surgery or whether we’ll manage the injury conservatively.


“We’ll make that decision in the next 24 hours but he’s certainly going to be missing for some time because it’s a serious injury.“We need to now make the best decision which is really frustrating and disappointing because he has been outstanding but we’ll give him every bit of support and care to get him back as safe as possible.”


“We’ve got a rough idea but I don’t want to get wrong and I don’t want to put unnecessary pressure on the medical staff but he’ll certainly be missing for a number of months.”


Consequently, Nakamba will miss the AFCON finals in January. – Soccer24 Zimbabwe


Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: sickbeggar on December 15, 2021, 11:47:37 AM
Bit of a disaster although in the context of COVID we may not need him the way things are going. Get the cheque book out Purslow!.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Brend'Watkins on December 15, 2021, 11:57:23 AM
Well at least SG is giving us the picture.  None of this "should, could, possibly, not quite ready, "we will assess, almost there, another week or two"  we have previously been fed after a reported "niggle".
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: sickbeggar on December 15, 2021, 12:09:16 PM
Yeah a "number of months"......Being my usual pessimistic self, recovering, getting fit etc., think you're talking April minimum so pretty much bye bye for the season. The club has to spend money in January now imo.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on December 15, 2021, 12:19:16 PM
He jogged off as though it was a tactical change.

If he's being ruled out for the rest of the season, that's probably an ACL injury.

As someone who has torn their ACL, you ain't bloody jogging anywhere for several weeks.

That's kind of my point though. He jogged off with a smile on his face and now there's talk of it being a season ending injury. It's just very strange.


What happened to Wesley was a rarity in that he ended up being out for ages after clearly getting injured while playing. All our other absenteeism generally seems to be for nothing much that actually happened.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Risso on December 15, 2021, 12:23:20 PM
Well at least SG is giving us the picture.  None of this "should, could, possibly, not quite ready, "we will assess, almost there, another week or two"  we have previously been fed after a reported "niggle".

You'll be telling me next that keeping injuries secret isn't the brilliant tactical manoeuvre to outwit the opposition that it was made out to be.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Hookeysmith on December 15, 2021, 01:12:35 PM
I would offer goal shy Brighton a swap of Ings for Bissouna
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Risso on December 15, 2021, 01:21:32 PM
I would offer goal shy Brighton a swap of Ings for Bissouna

A little bit risky under the circumstances...
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: LeeB on December 15, 2021, 01:24:54 PM
Yeah, long term absences are already an issue.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Drummond on December 15, 2021, 01:29:51 PM
Yeah, long term absences are already an issue.

At least we would have a definite return date.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: OCD on December 15, 2021, 02:35:08 PM
Express and Star saying he's out for 'at least 2 months'. If it's 2 months, we can consider ourselves lucky.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: usav on December 15, 2021, 02:48:40 PM
Express and Star saying he's out for 'at least 2 months'. If it's 2 months, we can consider ourselves lucky.

Yep - he will also miss the AFCON, which is a bonus.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Bobby Boy on December 17, 2021, 04:41:40 PM
Express and Star saying he's out for 'at least 2 months'. If it's 2 months, we can consider ourselves lucky.

Yep - he will also miss the AFCON, which is a bonus.

At least 3 months SG confirmed today.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: OCD on December 17, 2021, 06:33:41 PM
12-16 weeks. So puts him at between 11th March and 8th April before he's back.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: N'ZMAV on December 17, 2021, 06:49:05 PM
we've gone from the days of "Jack will be back next week" but missing for months, to revealing the length of injury lay-offs.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: TonyD on December 17, 2021, 10:47:22 PM
He has been decent and tidy under SG.   But I thought we looked better on Tuesday without him.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Risso on December 17, 2021, 11:59:48 PM
Get well soon Marv.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Mister E on December 18, 2021, 08:42:05 AM
He has been decent and tidy under SG.   But I thought we looked better on Tuesday without him.
... against a shit opponent.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: john e on December 18, 2021, 11:10:19 AM
we've gone from the days of "Jack will be back next week" but missing for months, to revealing the length of injury lay-offs.

Yeah that super successful secret tactic of not giving the opposition any information and keeping them guessing that people were banging on about
has not been fully appreciated by Gerrard just yet
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Dante Lavelli on December 18, 2021, 05:36:21 PM
I would offer goal shy Brighton a swap of Ings for Bissouna

A little bit risky under the circumstances...

I have clearly missed a news story hear.  What are the circumstances?

Football-wise, that is a great deal for both clubs.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: chrisw1 on December 18, 2021, 07:22:04 PM
He has been decent and tidy under SG.   But I thought we looked better on Tuesday without him.
When we were playing the worst team in the league by a country mile you mean?
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Risso on December 18, 2021, 10:30:45 PM
I would offer goal shy Brighton a swap of Ings for Bissouna

A little bit risky under the circumstances...

I have clearly missed a news story hear.  What are the circumstances?

Football-wise, that is a great deal for both clubs.

Bissouma is currently on bail for sexual assault.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: eamonn on December 20, 2021, 10:43:25 AM
He has been decent and tidy under SG.   But I thought we looked better on Tuesday without him.
When we were playing the worst team in the league by a country mile you mean?

People are entitled to believe we are a better side without "Nakka" as Gerrard brilliantly referred to him last week. When we're going for the jugular and need to impose ourselves, JJ/Meatball/Luiz with Goodday ahead of them makes more sense. I'd also expect Morgan to take this opportunity to get ahead of Marvelous in the midfield queue.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Big Ming on January 03, 2022, 12:37:34 PM
Who would have thought 6 months ago that we would be lamenting the loss of the injured Marvelous Nakamba?

What goes around, comes around I guess.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Meanwood Villa on February 10, 2022, 11:39:50 AM
12-16 weeks. So puts him at between 11th March and 8th April before he's back.

Was looking to see if we had an idea when he's back and this seems to cover it. No updates since then?
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Risso on February 10, 2022, 12:24:55 PM
12-16 weeks. So puts him at between 11th March and 8th April before he's back.

Was looking to see if we had an idea when he's back and this seems to cover it. No updates since then?

Gerrard mentioned him briefly in the press conference saying it’s still a long term injury.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: achilles on February 10, 2022, 06:05:25 PM
The reality is that we won't see him again this season, which is a shame.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 20, 2022, 12:59:10 PM
It’s truly amazing how much we have missed Marv. Our midfield has no balance now. We miss that one player who defends the back four. And critically, who we can rely on to do the dirty work, win back possession and break up attacks.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Villan82 on February 20, 2022, 01:03:50 PM
How many times have we seen this happen? A player becomes very important and then gets crocked.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: adrenachrome on February 21, 2022, 12:36:18 AM
It’s truly amazing how much we have missed Marv. Our midfield has no balance now. We miss that one player who defends the back four. And critically, who we can rely on to do the dirty work, win back possession and break up attacks.

True dat.

Chambers will do it. Mark my words.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: TelfordVilla on February 21, 2022, 07:49:45 AM
If Chambers can do it he would have been playing that position vs Watford with hause in at centre half. SG rated Luiz as the best available player again despite knowing he was shit in that position
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: mrfuse on March 04, 2022, 03:22:29 PM
Marvelous Nakamba is three to four weeks away from a return.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: DB on March 29, 2022, 07:55:10 PM
Good news, could be back for U23s vs Stoke and then Spuds…
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: villadelph on April 01, 2022, 07:14:58 PM
Good news, could be back for U23s vs Stoke and then Spuds…
Starting tonight.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: dcdavecollett on April 02, 2022, 01:59:18 AM
Played quite well for an hour.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: JD on April 02, 2022, 05:09:31 AM
Played quite well for an hour.

That's good to hear Dave.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: OCD on April 02, 2022, 12:49:06 PM
12-16 weeks. So puts him at between 11th March and 8th April before he's back.

Don't see that very often. The club giving timescales on how long a player will be out and then them turning out to be about right.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: dcdavecollett on April 03, 2022, 01:45:51 AM
Presumably, we're on Steve-time now, not Deano-time!
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 07, 2022, 01:42:27 PM
Time to step up to speed Marv.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 11, 2022, 03:28:40 PM
Gerrard on Marv
"the big frustration was that Marvelous Nakamba couldn't carry on because he asked to be changed We knew he would run out of steam at some point and Douglas went into the middle and, obviously, the ball got stolen off him. Maybe with Marv that might not have happened but, look, it is what it is and we have to look after Marv and his body. That's the most important thing"

For me Nakamba good old sort and trier but he's not top level and his passing is ropey as heck. Sloppy on the ball and was lacking composure at times when in possession.
He's ok as back up but I can tell SG wants an upgrade.
Would also put him in part fault for the equaliser in being far to keen to get to the ball his lack of balance saw him tackle and kick ball right off Mings who if left uninterrupted would have atoned for his initial slip/tread. This comes with players being more in kin with another Marv there did not favours and contributed as does his giving ball away to opposition Keita I think nearly scoring from edge of area.

Now he doing basics right at times and coaches looking to improve him but he's not really a good enough football player for us starting next season against top half teams in the way Gerrad wants to play.
Place in the squad yes and marvellous chap by nature and name. Just how I see him.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: eamonn on May 11, 2022, 03:44:44 PM
Agreed, 100%.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 11, 2022, 06:23:06 PM
I notice he's 28 and 29 in January. I don't know how much more he can improve may have given some benefit even if he was at 26 but no not even sure he belongs in squad now. Rather see Iroegbunam and Chambers as back up to new signing DM And 5 sub opportunity. And so imperative we bring in a number 6 to take his place.
At a push let him have one last season and be one of the back up but Iroegbunam could fulfill that role and good example of pathway to first team by integrating Tim. Marvelous can go by my reckoning.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: colin69 on May 11, 2022, 06:54:32 PM
I thought he played very well last night apart from a couple of wayward passes. We were definitely better with him on the pitch that off it.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Risso on May 11, 2022, 06:56:57 PM
I agree. His first start in months against arguably the best team in the world. I thought he did really well.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: LeeB on May 11, 2022, 07:22:49 PM
He made the 10 yard box in front of the penalty area his own personal killzone, no Liverpool player that entered it came out with the ball.

He's limited, but he's a fucking brilliant ball winner.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: supertom on May 11, 2022, 07:36:35 PM
A bit of ring rust certainly, but we looked weaker when he was off. I like Marvelous. He's a perfect back up option in that 6 to what I hope will be the inevitable new signing we need. Conversely, Douglas is much better in the 8 position and clearly prefers it.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Taylor on May 11, 2022, 07:42:22 PM
It’s no surprise that both SJM and Doug play so much better with Marv in the team.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: john e on May 11, 2022, 08:13:23 PM
I don’t reckon there’s a better ball winner in the prem
You just laugh sometimes at some of the things he does because they seem a bit unbelievable

He’s the best at ball winning but unfortunately he’s not the best at anything else
That bit last night in the first half where he wins the ball absolute class bit of play moves forward looking accomplished and passes it straight to one of theirs who nearly scores with a shot is Nakamba in a nutshell

You can’t help but love him
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: PeterWithe on May 11, 2022, 08:27:04 PM
Maybe we should train him to kick for touch as soon as he wins it. Might cause us fewer problems.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 11, 2022, 09:13:49 PM
The fact that we look better with a proper DM shows how valuable the position is to the way Gerrard wants us to play. Nakamba has done very well for us but in truth he should be no more than the back up DM. We need to get ourselves a really good one.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 11, 2022, 10:00:57 PM
I notice he's 28 and 29 in January. 

Tempus doesn't half fugit these days, Footy!
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Louzie0 on May 11, 2022, 10:08:27 PM
It was lovely to see him back where he belongs and I thought he played well too, hopefully to start again on Sunday.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Nelly on May 11, 2022, 11:25:28 PM
Before he got injured I was really surprised at how good Nakamba's passing was, in Gerrard's early games. I'd not really seen that in him before. I'm not trying to make out he is world class or anything but he can definitely do a job. He seems to really ping it with pace which can sort of force the tempo a bit. He sent one at Watkins in the Liverpool game, which of course Watkins failed to control: Some of Nakamba's wayward passing in that game I think was down to players not being on the same wavelength.

We have obviously been linked with a fair few DMs now - I'd be more than happy for Nakamba to stay and be back up.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: andyh on May 12, 2022, 07:01:35 AM
I really like Nakamba, there is a decent footballer in there.
But let’s not forget the previous 2.5 yers where he has been in and mostly out of the side.
I don’t think he’s the permanent answer to our DCM problem.

But, Gerrard wants at least 2 top players for each position.
I’d love to see us bring Bissouma in as our first choice with Marv as his backup.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 12, 2022, 07:30:46 AM
A good squad player. I’d like us to bring in a DM that can successfully pass the ball. We struggle with that from our midfield. Too many misplaced passes.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Drummond on May 12, 2022, 01:13:41 PM
I agree. His first start in months against arguably the best team in the world. I thought he did really well.

He did. He's always moving, hunting the ball down. Luiz, by comparison, just shuffles about, watches it and tires to block or intercept (and often gives silly fouls away 20-25 yards out.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: paul_e on May 12, 2022, 02:16:47 PM
I agree. His first start in months against arguably the best team in the world. I thought he did really well.

He did. He's always moving, hunting the ball down. Luiz, by comparison, just shuffles about, watches it and tires to block or intercept (and often gives silly fouls away 20-25 yards out.

I think he's improved this season becuase he does run around as much as he was before. He struggled, and was written off by many (me included) because he couldn't pass and he didn't make us much better defensively to make up for it, this year he's playing with a lot more positional discipline and is much better for it.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: tomd2103 on May 12, 2022, 11:57:25 PM
The fact that we look better with a proper DM shows how valuable the position is to the way Gerrard wants us to play. Nakamba has done very well for us but in truth he should be no more than the back up DM. We need to get ourselves a really good one.

100% agree.  Marv fine as back up, but we need a better version of him in the starting XI.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 15, 2022, 03:25:51 PM
Naka as he's called really isn't up to standard giving ball away needlessly time and again in matches.
McGinn and Ramsey say he's the slowest in the squad.
Glad he was subbed
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Steve67 on May 15, 2022, 03:55:36 PM
Utterly useless, both him and Luiz.  They need replacing over the summer if we want to progress.  Gives the ball away far too often, although he gets a foot in too.  However, just not good enough.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on May 15, 2022, 03:57:03 PM
Great player
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 15, 2022, 04:00:15 PM
Our best player today.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: TonyD on May 15, 2022, 04:00:32 PM
Sometimes he is neat and tidy.
Sometimes he is utterly rubbish. 
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: KRS on May 15, 2022, 04:03:44 PM
Literally stealing a living as a professional footballer. I expect players to be at least be able to find a team mate with a simple pass or not give away the ball away in dangerous positions, but he’s guilty of this more often than not and puts unnecessary pressure on our defence time and time again. Simply not good enough. Get rid.

And that’s not “baiting” or “hounding”…it’s just my honest opinion on him.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on May 15, 2022, 04:06:33 PM
Literally stealing a living as a professional footballer. I expect players to be at least be able to find a team mate with a simple pass or not give away the ball away in dangerous positions, but he’s guilty of this more often than not and puts unnecessary pressure on our defence time and time again. Simply not good enough. Get rid.

And that’s not “baiting” or “hounding”…it’s just my honest opinion on him.
It's hyperbolic nonsense."Stealing a living"??
So you don't fancy him, but the vitriol seeps from the words.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: PaulTheVillan on May 15, 2022, 04:11:20 PM
He’s part of the problem that out midfield isn’t very good at anything. Bang average at best.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: KRS on May 15, 2022, 04:28:19 PM
Literally stealing a living as a professional footballer. I expect players to be at least be able to find a team mate with a simple pass or not give away the ball away in dangerous positions, but he’s guilty of this more often than not and puts unnecessary pressure on our defence time and time again. Simply not good enough. Get rid.

And that’s not “baiting” or “hounding”…it’s just my honest opinion on him.
It's hyperbolic nonsense."Stealing a living"??
So you don't fancy him, but the vitriol seeps from the words.
We’re both entitled to our opinions and they clearly differ. From your comments today, it’s quite clear that you do fancy him. “Vitriol” is hyperbolic nonsense but if you think it seeps from my words then that’s because I say it as I see it, and call out a turd when I see a turd. On the other hand, you think he was the “pick of the midfield by a country mile” and I would say that “delusion” seeps from your words.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Steve67 on May 15, 2022, 04:35:00 PM
Literally stealing a living as a professional footballer. I expect players to be at least be able to find a team mate with a simple pass or not give away the ball away in dangerous positions, but he’s guilty of this more often than not and puts unnecessary pressure on our defence time and time again. Simply not good enough. Get rid.

And that’s not “baiting” or “hounding”…it’s just my honest opinion on him.
It's hyperbolic nonsense."Stealing a living"??
So you don't fancy him, but the vitriol seeps from the words.
We’re both entitled to our opinions and they clearly differ. From your comments today, it’s quite clear that you do fancy him. “Vitriol” is hyperbolic nonsense but if you think it seeps from my words then that’s because I say it as I see it, and call out a turd when I see a turd. On the other hand, you think he was the “pick of the midfield by a country mile” and I would say that “delusion” seeps from your words.

A neutral perspective if I may.  Moving forward, we need better.  He's a midtable player who has served us well enough but now we need better quality across the whole midfield. Including Nakamba.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: eamonn on May 15, 2022, 04:42:36 PM
Poor Morgan Sanson. What does he have to do to get a look-in? Presumably at this stage a move back to France has already been agreed.

He probably has voodoo dolls of Luiz and McGinn in his 6th bedroom, presumably Naka will be added soon.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 15, 2022, 05:02:51 PM
Literally stealing a living as a professional footballer. I expect players to be at least be able to find a team mate with a simple pass or not give away the ball away in dangerous positions, but he’s guilty of this more often than not and puts unnecessary pressure on our defence time and time again. Simply not good enough. Get rid.

And that’s not “baiting” or “hounding”…it’s just my honest opinion on him.
It's hyperbolic nonsense."Stealing a living"??
So you don't fancy him, but the vitriol seeps from the words.
We’re both entitled to our opinions and they clearly differ. From your comments today, it’s quite clear that you do fancy him. “Vitriol” is hyperbolic nonsense but if you think it seeps from my words then that’s because I say it as I see it, and call out a turd when I see a turd. On the other hand, you think he was the “pick of the midfield by a country mile” and I would say that “delusion” seeps from your words.

A neutral perspective if I may.  Moving forward, we need better.  He's a midtable player who has served us well enough but now we need better quality across the whole midfield. Including Nakamba.

S67 is a good voice of reason and I personally find he writes here with good sense and fairness. He explains well what many think and likely what Gerrard thinks and in all these exchanges I think he nails the sentiment regards Naka not being in our midfield next season.

Up the Villa!
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 15, 2022, 05:11:28 PM
A neutral perspective if I may.  Moving forward, we need better.  He's a midtable player who has served us well enough but now we need better quality across the whole midfield. Including Nakamba.

S67 is a good voice of reason and I personally find he writes here with good sense and fairness.

That's why we call him 'Woodrow Wyatt' and I agree with him on this.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: colin69 on May 15, 2022, 05:12:22 PM
Thought he played quite well but did start giving the ball away shortly before being subbed. Certainly played better than Luiz imo.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Drummond on May 16, 2022, 11:57:15 AM
Nakamba makes us better when he plays. Which means when we get in a similar player of a higher calibre we should be better again.

Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: WassallVillain on May 16, 2022, 12:33:53 PM
Literally stealing a living as a professional footballer. I expect players to be at least be able to find a team mate with a simple pass or not give away the ball away in dangerous positions, but he’s guilty of this more often than not and puts unnecessary pressure on our defence time and time again. Simply not good enough. Get rid.

And that’s not “baiting” or “hounding”…it’s just my honest opinion on him.

At the ground yesterday I would rate his passing stats as the best in the team. I’m sure some statto will correct me but that’s how it looked to me. Just my honest opinion based on my observations on the day.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: LeeB on May 16, 2022, 12:35:29 PM
I think he gave the ball away once.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Risso on May 16, 2022, 12:49:00 PM
I think he gave the ball away once.

According to Whoscored, our loss of possession stats were as follows:

Marv - 1
McGinn - 5
Luiz - 4
Ings - 4

The only thing with Marv was that it was in a dangerous area on the edge of the area. Other than that he pretty much did his job. The other midfielders, not so much.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on May 16, 2022, 01:31:22 PM
There was at least a couple of occasions when I'd have put money on him losing it like he used to once he'd won it, but he strode away with it into a little bit of space he made for himself and laid it off. That's an aspect of his game he's worked on and massively improved.

Nakamba was a long way from being the problem with our midfield yesterday. We were too deep the entire game. What's the point of having Coutinho in your side if he's having to drop onto your centre-halves to get the ball? There'd be one if your midfield pushed up to your forwards, but they didn't. They just sat in a line 15 yards in front of the back four like puddings.

Nah, the blokes in the 6 & 7 shirts have way more to answer for yesterday than Nakamba.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: chrisw1 on May 16, 2022, 01:36:52 PM
Marv is ok.  It's his second game back after a 5 month lay off, it's a lot to ask for him to hit the ground running and play 2 games in 5 days.

But lets not forget he was never that good in the first place.  A lot of hope was placed on him after a handful of decent games when Gerrard first joined, but he hadn't been good enough for two seasons to hold down a place it what most of us have considered to be our most problem position for some time.  It's a lot to expect for him to go from Luiz's DM understudy to prime Kante.

I quite like him, he's a decent squad player.  His better performances have shown just what we're missing and what we could be (and should have been if the recruitment team had done their job in the last 3-4 windows).  But he's not the answer.  I'd like us to get two quality players in who can play a lone DM or double pivot role to give us depth and tactical options going forward.  Philips and B Kamara or  Bissouma would do me.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on May 16, 2022, 02:50:13 PM
So many Nakamba knockers during the match thread. I was a lone supporter
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Ian. on May 16, 2022, 03:01:47 PM
I think he gave the ball away once.

According to Whoscored, our loss of possession stats were as follows:

Marv - 1
McGinn - 5
Luiz - 4
Ings - 4

The only thing with Marv was that it was in a dangerous area on the edge of the area. Other than that he pretty much did his job. The other midfielders, not so much.

Our midfield just didn't click this weekend.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Drummond on May 16, 2022, 03:10:08 PM
It was flat. We seem to allow opponents so much space and time to play through us, whilst being pressed and closed down ourselves. The shape improved with Ramsey and Buendia filling the gaps a bit more.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Villafirst on May 16, 2022, 03:12:15 PM
How many seasons has the DM conundrum being going for now? It's glaringly obvious that a top DM has been needed. Smith should've addressed it last summer. SG tried in January but the right player wasn't available unless you paid silly money. This summer is absolutely vital get that player......
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Nunkin1965 on May 16, 2022, 03:19:19 PM
Literally stealing a living as a professional footballer. I expect players to be at least be able to find a team mate with a simple pass or not give away the ball away in dangerous positions, but he’s guilty of this more often than not and puts unnecessary pressure on our defence time and time again. Simply not good enough. Get rid.

And that’s not “baiting” or “hounding”…it’s just my honest opinion on him.

At the ground yesterday I would rate his passing stats as the best in the team. I’m sure some statto will correct me but that’s how it looked to me. Just my honest opinion based on my observations on the day.
Marv was the only Villa midfielder doing his job properly yesterday.
Let down a little by those around him not doing theirs.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: OCD on May 16, 2022, 03:25:33 PM
The pivot position is a thankless task. I remember people saying we shouldn't play Petrov because he only ever passed the ball backwards or sideways.

Then think of the Galactico Real Madrid team where only Makelele's teammates appreciated what he gave the side.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Risso on May 16, 2022, 03:33:54 PM
Literally stealing a living as a professional footballer. I expect players to be at least be able to find a team mate with a simple pass or not give away the ball away in dangerous positions, but he’s guilty of this more often than not and puts unnecessary pressure on our defence time and time again. Simply not good enough. Get rid.

And that’s not “baiting” or “hounding”…it’s just my honest opinion on him.

At the ground yesterday I would rate his passing stats as the best in the team. I’m sure some statto will correct me but that’s how it looked to me. Just my honest opinion based on my observations on the day.
Marv was the only Villa midfielder doing his job properly yesterday.
Let down a little by those around him not doing theirs.

McGinn and Luiz have 5 goals between them this season. That's not enough from two midfield regulars if you want to be getting closer to that top 8.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 16, 2022, 04:01:52 PM
One thing can probably take is a defensive midfielder from Belgian league isn't meeting required standard for a top 6 top 8 or even top half team in the Prem.
Naka won the league at the dominant club Brugge but the jump in level is too big for him to take us to the next level.

File him with Target Hourihane Steer as players who simply had to be upgraded
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Goldie.7 on May 22, 2022, 05:49:39 PM
This guy is fucking shit. Please piss off in the summer - now that would be marvellous.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Vegas on May 22, 2022, 05:57:54 PM
That is the worst cameo I have ever seen. Ruined our shape, misplaced passes and slow to the loose ball.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Astnor on May 22, 2022, 06:01:08 PM
Isnomarvelous
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: KRS on May 22, 2022, 06:03:51 PM
Take PC off for Nakamba…and it all goes to shit. Entirely predictable.

This guy is not a footballer by any stretch of the imagination. Anyone who thinks this guy is up to it really needs their head read. You can’t complain how bad we are, how many games we lose, say our players aren’t good enough…yet justify this guy being good enough to be part of our squad let alone fit enough to wear the shirt in any Villa game. You can’t have it both ways.

Total shit. Get rid.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Ian. on May 22, 2022, 06:11:07 PM
If the score went the same way and we hadn’t of made this substitution we would have said why didn’t we shut up shop and put Nakamba on.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Steve67 on May 22, 2022, 06:11:48 PM
Turds need flushing.  Nakamba, Luiz and McGinn in the same flush.  I hope we address our midfield this summer.  Only Ramsey, Buendia and Phil should be safe.  Tim out on loan, Carney, not so sure but the mainstay of our midfield has lost us so many games this season.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: KevinGage on May 22, 2022, 06:12:26 PM
If the score went the same way and we hadn’t of made this substitution we would have said why didn’t we shut up shop and put Nakamba on.

Aye, there is that.

But still.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: andyh on May 22, 2022, 06:26:33 PM
As I have said on this thread previously, there is a reason he’s been in and ( mostly) out of the team for 3 years. It’s because he’s not very good.

Not even a squad player for where we want to get to.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 22, 2022, 06:28:20 PM
I said before that he’s at best a back up footballer. And that’s when he is fully fit. Throwing him into a fast paced game vs a very desperate Man City…well it turned out as it did. But in truth he’s not the only squad player we have in midfield right now. With the exception of Ramsey who will get better they all are.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 22, 2022, 06:31:12 PM
midfield isn't good enough by a long shot - Nakamba does improve the side because he's the only player who can do that job - however, he doesn't do it well enough, and needs upgrading.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: rob_bridge on May 22, 2022, 06:34:00 PM
Turds need flushing.  Nakamba, Luiz and McGinn in the same flush.  I hope we address our midfield this summer.  Only Ramsey, Buendia and Phil should be safe.  Tim out on loan, Carney, not so sure but the mainstay of our midfield has lost us so many games this season.

Maybe our manager hadn't got s clue how to organise a midfield regardless of personnel.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Risso on May 22, 2022, 06:35:20 PM
Turds need flushing.  Nakamba, Luiz and McGinn in the same flush.  I hope we address our midfield this summer.  Only Ramsey, Buendia and Phil should be safe.  Tim out on loan, Carney, not so sure but the mainstay of our midfield has lost us so many games this season.

Maybe our manager hadn't got s clue how to organise a midfield regardless of personnel.

Well we'll never know until he gets some decent midfielders. McGinn and Luiz can happily join Watkins in the same taxi to anywhere else.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: RichardBatchelor on May 22, 2022, 06:38:51 PM
I said before that he’s at best a back up footballer. And that’s when he is fully fit. Throwing him into a fast paced game vs a very desperate Man City…well it turned out as it did. But in truth he’s not the only squad player we have in midfield right now. With the exception of Ramsey who will get better they all are.

And when he’s got a lot better, Citeh will sign him.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: KRS on May 22, 2022, 06:39:37 PM
If the score went the same way and we hadn’t of made this substitution we would have said why didn’t we shut up shop and put Nakamba on.
Well that didn’t happen and we’ll never know…it’s pointless talking ifs, buts and maybes when it comes to football, but what we do know is that we turned to shit and conceded 3 goals in the process when he brought him on. Nakamba couldn’t shut a corner shop.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 22, 2022, 06:40:47 PM
I said before that he’s at best a back up footballer. And that’s when he is fully fit. Throwing him into a fast paced game vs a very desperate Man City…well it turned out as it did. But in truth he’s not the only squad player we have in midfield right now. With the exception of Ramsey who will get better they all are.

And when he’s got a lot better, Citeh will sign him.

A player like Nakamba wouldn’t ever be on a top teams radar.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 22, 2022, 06:46:36 PM
It was a very logical sub to make. 2 up with twenty minutes left is a very strong position to be and pretty much every manager would've put on a DM for an attacking player to condense space.

Nakamba tries hard but I was a bit bemused by all this fawning about him during his injury like he was the second coming of Kante. He had some good games at start of Gerrard's reign but that's a very small sample size considering he's been here three years.

Think bigger error was not putting Sanson on at same time as his energy would've been very useful to get around the pitch but he obviously has no future here now.

Nakamba only has 12 months left so we will probably let him go otherwise he just blocks Tim's progress.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: rooboy316 on May 23, 2022, 11:52:50 AM
I said before that he’s at best a back up footballer. And that’s when he is fully fit. Throwing him into a fast paced game vs a very desperate Man City…well it turned out as it did. But in truth he’s not the only squad player we have in midfield right now. With the exception of Ramsey who will get better they all are.

And when he’s got a lot better, Citeh will sign him.

A player like Nakamba wouldn’t ever be on a top teams radar.
Ramsey, presumably.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Villan82 on May 23, 2022, 12:34:35 PM
As I said in another thread, the likes of Nakamba were brought in after promotion to help us stay up and consolidate. We have now established ourselves and players like him should be moved on.

I actually didn't realise he was 28, I had him down for about 25-26.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 23, 2022, 03:22:28 PM
I said before that he’s at best a back up footballer. And that’s when he is fully fit. Throwing him into a fast paced game vs a very desperate Man City…well it turned out as it did. But in truth he’s not the only squad player we have in midfield right now. With the exception of Ramsey who will get better they all are.

And when he’s got a lot better, Citeh will sign him.

A player like Nakamba wouldn’t ever be on a top teams radar.
Ramsey, presumably.

Yeh. I misread that. Let’s hope we can build a complete side to keep our best over the next few years. Then again we’ve always said that and still not managed it.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Gerrin on May 23, 2022, 03:40:06 PM
It was a very logical sub to make. 2 up with twenty minutes left is a very strong position to be and pretty much every manager would've put on a DM for an attacking player to condense space.

Nakamba tries hard but I was a bit bemused by all this fawning about him during his injury like he was the second coming of Kante. He had some good games at start of Gerrard's reign but that's a very small sample size considering he's been here three years.

Think bigger error was not putting Sanson on at same time as his energy would've been very useful to get around the pitch but he obviously has no future here now.

Nakamba only has 12 months left so we will probably let him go otherwise he just blocks Tim's progress.

Didn't realise he only had 12 months left, I'd agree he'll be leaving in the summer then. I guess he hasn't been offered a new one? I can see Gerrard having a bit of a clear out in the midfield department. I think Luiz and Sanson will be off too. Hopefully this will give some of the younger players like Chuck more game time.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: richtheholtender on May 23, 2022, 03:43:24 PM
I said before that he’s at best a back up footballer. And that’s when he is fully fit. Throwing him into a fast paced game vs a very desperate Man City…well it turned out as it did. But in truth he’s not the only squad player we have in midfield right now. With the exception of Ramsey who will get better they all are.

And when he’s got a lot better, Citeh will sign him.

A player like Nakamba wouldn’t ever be on a top teams radar.
Ramsey, presumably.

Yeh. I misread that. Let’s hope we can build a complete side to keep our best over the next few years. Then again we’ve always said that and still not managed it.



The city, united move is inevitable.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: dcdavecollett on May 24, 2022, 12:17:34 AM
No release clause that I'm aware of, so we should soak the tw*ts for £200m this time.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Dazvillain on June 13, 2022, 01:27:58 PM
He’s doing a great job giving a lot of development back to his roots….

https://www.chronicle.co.zw/watch-work-begins-at-nakamba-sports-centre/
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: JD on June 14, 2022, 09:15:27 AM
He’s doing a great job giving a lot of development back to his roots….

https://www.chronicle.co.zw/watch-work-begins-at-nakamba-sports-centre/

That's wonderful.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: LeeB on June 14, 2022, 09:19:46 AM
He’s doing a great job giving a lot of development back to his roots….

https://www.chronicle.co.zw/watch-work-begins-at-nakamba-sports-centre/

That's wonderful.

Yes that's brilliant, what a top man.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 15, 2022, 07:22:16 PM
The athletic seemed to suggest that Nakamaba is one that can be moved on. Looking to raise funds or release some wages.
Guilbert, El Ghazi, Traoré also surplus.
Sanson out too if Villa did bring in another midfielder.

SG 6 months analysis of Marvelous means his time is up!
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Risso on August 15, 2022, 07:26:24 PM
Well we've got Kamara who can do the same job but actually play football, plus Iroegbunam as back up.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 15, 2022, 09:14:25 PM
We’ve got to thin the squad to create room for better players and also the likes of Tim.  As much as I like his character Marvellous is a roadblock to that happening.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: eamonn on September 08, 2022, 12:49:40 AM
Apparently Forest and Fulham were in for Naka before the deadline:

https://www.herald.co.zw/forest-fulham-in-race-to-sign-nakamba/
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Matt C on September 08, 2022, 02:07:00 AM
Who weren’t Forest in for?
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: olaftab on September 11, 2022, 08:22:15 PM
Is he still injured?
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: eamonn on September 12, 2022, 12:07:39 AM
No, that was last season.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Holte Antipode on September 18, 2022, 10:40:25 AM
Marv and Morgan both on the bench this week. Does that suggest they are being reintegrated? (couldn’t come up with a suitable antonym for “bomb squad”). Or put back in shop window for the transfer window.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: eamonn on September 18, 2022, 10:42:26 AM
Wouldn't it have made more sense to do that when the window was actually open?!
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: Holte Antipode on September 18, 2022, 10:48:25 AM
Yes, you might have thought so. Best defer to a commercial whizz like Purslow to explain.
Title: Re: Marvelous Nakamba - confirmed
Post by: PeterWithe on September 18, 2022, 05:35:59 PM
I was watching Marv at half time in the Soton game, his skills were amazing.
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