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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: dave.woodhall on July 12, 2019, 11:46:39 AM
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And another one.
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Confirmed?
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I'm scared to blink incase I miss us signing someone else.
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Any one else getting worried about the lack of transfers and only buying safe British players.
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Wasn't he in Abba?!
I have no idea what's going on at the Villa this Summer - this is what other clubs do. We normally fuck around, sitting on our hands all Summer and then panic in the 24 hours before the deadline!
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The obligatory U tube video.
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Done according to Rob Dorrset at Sky.
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There’ll be no regrets
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Pleased with this one. I love a goal scoring defender. Lots of centre backs to keep happy now though.
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Welcome aboard the Villa transfer express!
He seems to enjoy a sliding tackle from his YouTube highlights, so he’ll need to learn to stay on his feet more.
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Pleased with this one. I love a goal scoring defender. Lots of centre backs to keep happy now though.
I wonder if we will play 3 at the back.
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Pleased with this one. I love a goal scoring defender. Lots of centre backs to keep happy now though.
I wonder if we will play 3 at the back.
Can't see it happening with El Ghazi and possibly Trezeguet coming in.I think Chester might have limited games in him so a fit 4 was needed.
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£7 million fee for Engels ( BBC )
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Fucking hell. This time last year the players were eating dog food and lighting candles to keep warm.
Welcome Bjorn. Tennis anyone?
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Was it last summer that young French lad turned us down because of our style of football ( Steve Bruce )? 12 months is an age in football.
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Hope he doesn't wear moulds, we don't want Bjorn slippy.
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So many pun possibilities!
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So many pun possibilities!
Sorry, I just don't get it.
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Hope he doesn't wear moulds, we don't want Bjorn slippy.
Is he good looking? I want Acute Engles
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Flemish might be his first language but he probably speaks good Engel'ish ( I think what I did is brilliant, praise me ).
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He’s a big fucker. Imagine him and Mings up against you. So this now means we have a CB grouping of Engels, Chester, Konsa, Mings and Hause. That is solid. No need to give Cahill a fortune. We can work Chester back in who ends up being a very good back up when fit again. Just need to work chemistry. I imagine all is left is a keeper.
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Still need another striker, Maupay? and a goalkeeper.
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Overall yes. A winger, striker and keeper. Another midfielder won’t go amiss.
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He’s a big fucker. Imagine him and Mings up against you. So this now means we have a CB grouping of Engels, Chester, Konsa, Mings and Hause. That is solid. No need to give Cahill a fortune. We can work Chester back in who ends up being a very good back up when fit again. Just need to work chemistry. I imagine all is left is a keeper.
It's hard to see that there's even going to be a place in the squad for Chester. For the sake of argument, if it's Mings and Konsa as our starting pair, then Engels is back up, with Hause cover at left back and centre back as required. Going to take a big injury problem for him Chester to get anywhere near. I think he'll be off this summer, assuming he's fit enough to pass a medical.
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That might be right Riss. But he’s back in training and my guess is he’ll be kept around for experience. You can tell the other players have massive respect for him when Jack went up to get the trophy so I don’t think we’ll sell him. If he even can be at this stage.
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That might be right Riss. But he’s back in training and my guess is he’ll be kept around for experience. You can tell the other players have massive respect for him when Jack went up to get the trophy so I don’t think we’ll sell him. If he even can be at this stage.
I don't think the new owners will be sentimental, and surely he'll want to play? Fit, he's easily good enough for top 6 Championship.
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He’s a big fucker. Imagine him and Mings up against you. So this now means we have a CB grouping of Engels, Chester, Konsa, Mings and Hause. That is solid. No need to give Cahill a fortune. We can work Chester back in who ends up being a very good back up when fit again. Just need to work chemistry. I imagine all is left is a keeper.
Konza possibly covering for Luiz in DMF, as well.
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Whichever Engel you look at this from it is good business.
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He’s a big fucker. Imagine him and Mings up against you. So this now means we have a CB grouping of Engels, Chester, Konsa, Mings and Hause. That is solid. No need to give Cahill a fortune. We can work Chester back in who ends up being a very good back up when fit again. Just need to work chemistry. I imagine all is left is a keeper.
Konza possibly covering for Luiz in DMF, as well.
This geezer can play DM too according to an article I’ve just read, really comfortable on the ball....
TBR’s view – Engels a bargain for Villa at £9m
Engels broke through at Club Brugge and was considered one of the best centre-backs in European football at his age. It has not quite worked out like that, but he is still an excellent defender.
Strong in the air, comfortable with the ball and intelligent enough to play in holding midfield, Engels has enormous ability and plenty of years left ahead of him in professional football at 24.
So, for just £9million, Villa are landing a bargain in Engels.
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It would be good if he could play centre midfield and replace Whealan. But he'll have to settle in first and get used to the conditions of the English sideways pass.
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He’s a big fucker. Imagine him and Mings up against you. So this now means we have a CB grouping of Engels, Chester, Konsa, Mings and Hause. That is solid. No need to give Cahill a fortune. We can work Chester back in who ends up being a very good back up when fit again. Just need to work chemistry. I imagine all is left is a keeper.
It's hard to see that there's even going to be a place in the squad for Chester. For the sake of argument, if it's Mings and Konsa as our starting pair, then Engels is back up, with Hause cover at left back and centre back as required. Going to take a big injury problem for him Chester to get anywhere near. I think he'll be off this summer, assuming he's fit enough to pass a medical.
If I'd not found your reply, I was going to post the same. I'd really not be too shocked if we don't ask for a fee, either. He's probably got one move left in him, and a club being able to pay him a bigger wage because they've not had to fork out for a transfer might mean he can go where he'd like rather than simply to whoever will have him.
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Welcome, Bjorn Engels. What a name, what a guy 😊
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I would have thought it'll be Mings starting alongside either Chester or Engels, i reckon Konsa has come in as a longer term project despite the fee, and will be the long term replacement for Chester. It's probably a case of getting them while you can with the younger ones and allowing them a decent settling in period.
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It would be good if he could play centre midfield and replace Whealan. But he'll have to settle in first and get used to the conditions of the English sideways pass.
*applause*
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Welcome!
(https://i.ibb.co/rb8zcRF/140.jpg) (https://ibb.co/rb8zcRF)
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Top marx to the owners for sorting it so quickly
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Welcome, Fred.
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Looks good - likes to get stuck in as well. I was thinking Ferdinand / Vidic kind of pairing with Mings being the Ferdinand and hoping for this kind of signing. Great. Welgekomen!
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Glad he didn't opt to go to somewhere like Spurs. Must've been the thought of living in the capital.
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Wasn't he in Abba?!
Finally time to sign Benni McCarthy
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He's a Walker brother!
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Wonder if the season ticket waiting list is getting bigger!
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Wonder if the season ticket waiting list is getting bigger!
Might be stocking up on the sold out signs though!
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Dean tried to sign him last summer for Brentford. Obviously knows all about him.
Welcome, Big Fella.
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Is this confirmed?
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Wanna know what the mood is around the Villa recruitment team?! Dial 'ectic!
Calls will be charged according to need.
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I guess he is the alternative to Webster and will be first choice alongside mings
Hause is understudy to mings
Konsa deputy to engels
Chester? Well who knows. But I doubt we buy 4 centre backs if Smith envisages him as a mainstay for the season
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He seems quite good doesn't he? We appear to be in dreamland.
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Didn't realise he played for Club Brugge, smart move to help Wesley settle in.
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Wasn't he in Abba?!
Finally time to sign Benni McCarthy
Bravo sir!
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Wanna know what the mood is around the Villa recruitment team?! Dial 'ectic!
Calls will be charged according to need.
Who writes your material(ism) ?
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So is he actually any good? Super winky please see Luiz thread...
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He should have been included in Belgium's Euro 16 squad based on performances but didn't get selected. Signed for Olympiakos, lost his way a bit after the manager got sacked and joined Rennes last year in a surprise move. Apparently he had a very strong season there.
He's definitely not a Championship player, couldn't believe my eyes last year when Brentford were poised to sign him.
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Wanna know what the mood is around the Villa recruitment team?! Dial 'ectic!
Calls will be charged according to need.
Who writes your material(ism) ?
I dictate it to the proletariat.
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A spectre is haunting the Premier League, the spectre of Aston Villa reborn. Footballers of all countries unite, you have nothing to lose but your matches against Aston Villa.
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Will he be an imediate first-choice? Or will they give him a few weeks to get tuned in? - I'd have thought he will be subb for the first few games.
... I suppose we actually need to confirm the signing first!
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Will he be our Vincent Kompany?
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Will he be our Vincent Kompany?
He sounds less like Vincent Kompany and more like an ABBA tribute act.
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We've signed Engels?
Top Marx!
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His club's president has confirmed his departure apparently.
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Apparently both Dougy and Engels flew to the US. Engels should be announced today, Douglas by Monday or Tuesday
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A lot is being made of the fact that Engels is a Central Defender, given that we appear to be a tad
overloaded in that position, currently . But it seems he has been used a lot as a central/ defensive, holding
midfielder, which is where Dean intends to play him, my guess......Godzvilla!
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A lot is being made of the fact that Engels is a Central Defender, given that we appear to be a tad
overloaded in that position, currently . But it seems he has been used a lot as a central/ defensive, holding
midfielder, which is where Dean intends to play him, my guess......Godzvilla!
The point is that he's got flexibility throughour the back 5-6, with Konza able to play DMF or CB, as well as Engels. Mings and Hause are also very mobile, ball-playing and flexible. And Guilbert can play CB too.
So, as long as we find the optimal mix and can adapt our game when necssary, we'll be in excellent shape.
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I don’t think we are overloaded. We have 5 and that’s only if you include Chester who is a big unknown. And then a a couple of those are versatile enough to play other positions. In what will be a very long and demanding PL season to have the cover we have is exactly what is needed. Two players for almost every position is what we need really.
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Apparently both Dougy and Engels flew to the US. Engels should be announced today, Douglas by Monday or Tuesday
Eastie would have had their seat numbers ;)
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Apparently both Dougy and Engels flew to the US. Engels should be announced today, Douglas by Monday or Tuesday
Eastie would have had their seat numbers ;)
Because he would have found a way to be a steward on the plane and by the end of the flight have found out from the their holiday plans and their girlfriends/wife’s favourite dish.
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He's married to a Scouser. I share his pain.
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Is he likely to be first choice next to Mings?
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We've signed Engels?
Top Marx!
And given his age he should have surplus value in the transfer market.
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He’ll be in contention. Based on very little info Konsa is smaller and looks the more cultured player, Engels a giant and little more rugged. It’s great to have some choice.
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I would have thought it'll be Mings starting alongside either Chester or Engels, i reckon Konsa has come in as a longer term project despite the fee, and will be the long term replacement for Chester. It's probably a case of getting them while you can with the younger ones and allowing them a decent settling in period.
Chester had better not start. He was principally responsible (Nyland blamed very unfairly) for our 4-1 defeat at Sheffield United on 1st September. How would he cope against the likes of Spurs? We should get rid whilst we can still get a few pennies for him.
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He was playing with a serious injury. He should never have been out there bailing Bruce out.
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Very good
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Go on Deano I dare you. Buy a back three of Engels, Marx and Proust.
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It will certainly add competition to our back line which can only be good for us.
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I would have thought it'll be Mings starting alongside either Chester or Engels, i reckon Konsa has come in as a longer term project despite the fee, and will be the long term replacement for Chester. It's probably a case of getting them while you can with the younger ones and allowing them a decent settling in period.
Chester had better not start. He was principally responsible (Nyland blamed very unfairly) for our 4-1 defeat at Sheffield United on 1st September. How would he cope against the likes of Spurs? We should get rid whilst we can still get a few pennies for him.
He was also in our top 2/3 best players in the previous 2 seasons and was injured and out of position for most of last season. He may start or he may not but that's a ridiculous and very unfair comment. Paul McGrath played in a few matches where we shipped 4 or 5, maybe we should remember him for those games as well.
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I would have thought it'll be Mings starting alongside either Chester or Engels, i reckon Konsa has come in as a longer term project despite the fee, and will be the long term replacement for Chester. It's probably a case of getting them while you can with the younger ones and allowing them a decent settling in period.
Chester had better not start. He was principally responsible (Nyland blamed very unfairly) for our 4-1 defeat at Sheffield United on 1st September. How would he cope against the likes of Spurs? We should get rid whilst we can still get a few pennies for him.
He was also in our top 2/3 best players in the previous 2 seasons and was injured and out of position for most of last season. He may start or he may not but that's a ridiculous and very unfair comment. Paul McGrath played in a few matches where we shipped 4 or 5, maybe we should remember him for those games as well.
Well said.
Played with an injury which may have shortened his career, we should be very respectful and grateful for Chester’s contribution.
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I would have thought it'll be Mings starting alongside either Chester or Engels, i reckon Konsa has come in as a longer term project despite the fee, and will be the long term replacement for Chester. It's probably a case of getting them while you can with the younger ones and allowing them a decent settling in period.
Chester had better not start. He was principally responsible (Nyland blamed very unfairly) for our 4-1 defeat at Sheffield United on 1st September. How would he cope against the likes of Spurs? We should get rid whilst we can still get a few pennies for him.
He was also in our top 2/3 best players in the previous 2 seasons and was injured and out of position for most of last season. He may start or he may not but that's a ridiculous and very unfair comment. Paul McGrath played in a few matches where we shipped 4 or 5, maybe we should remember him for those games as well.
Well said.
Played with an injury which may have shortened his career, we should be very respectful and grateful for Chester’s contribution.
Without doubt.
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I would have thought it'll be Mings starting alongside either Chester or Engels, i reckon Konsa has come in as a longer term project despite the fee, and will be the long term replacement for Chester. It's probably a case of getting them while you can with the younger ones and allowing them a decent settling in period.
Chester had better not start. He was principally responsible (Nyland blamed very unfairly) for our 4-1 defeat at Sheffield United on 1st September. How would he cope against the likes of Spurs? We should get rid whilst we can still get a few pennies for him.
He was also in our top 2/3 best players in the previous 2 seasons and was injured and out of position for most of last season. He may start or he may not but that's a ridiculous and very unfair comment. Paul McGrath played in a few matches where we shipped 4 or 5, maybe we should remember him for those games as well.
Well said.
Played with an injury which may have shortened his career, we should be very respectful and grateful for Chester’s contribution.
Without doubt.
And I think the reason for that 4-1 defeat in Sheffield was down to the fact that their players had rolled their sleeves up further than ours had, and had less dust on them.
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He's married to a Scouser. I share his pain.
I was married to a Cherokee from Nebraska. Y'all don't know about diddly squat about pain.
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I am convinced we will go 3-4-3 a fair bit next season.
This lad looks a good player, and seems to be able to play the diagonal ball that Mings is so skilled at from the other side. There is clearly a move to make sure our back 4 can all pick a long pass and are comfortable on the ball, which means our wide options need to be significantly strengthened before the start of the season.
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He's a Walker brother!
Great Scott!
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I would like to think with Chester that we keep him so that he can get the medical/physio. treatment to get up to match fitness and then see where it goes from there. It's the least we owe him and shows loyalty.
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I would like to think with Chester that we keep him so that he can get the medical/physio. treatment to get up to match fitness and then see where it goes from there. It's the least we owe him and shows loyalty.
Me too. Played through a bad injury, making it worse in the process. We owe him the chance to get back playing at least.
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Been offline for 3 or 4 days... is this still not confirmed yet ?
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He's a Walker brother!
Great Scott!
Oh yes! The old man's back again.
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Apparently Engels and Wes played together at Club Brugge:
https://amp.hitc.com/en-gb/2019/07/14/reported-aston-villa-target-bjorn-engels-previously-played-along/
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I would like to think with Chester that we keep him so that he can get the medical/physio. treatment to get up to match fitness and then see where it goes from there. It's the least we owe him and shows loyalty.
I agree we should keep James Chester.
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Sounds like Douglas is there but is Bjorn in the USA...?
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Sounds like Douglas is there but is Bjorn in the USA...?
Brilliant!
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Sounds like Douglas is there but is Bjorn in the USA...?
How much are we paying or is he Bjørn free.
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I'd have expected him to be stretching the shirt by now. Is it time to issue his agent a Bjørn ultimatum?
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The delay in signing is down to the club just sorting out some acceptable accommodation for him in Bjornville.
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I would like to think with Chester that we keep him so that he can get the medical/physio. treatment to get up to match fitness and then see where it goes from there. It's the least we owe him and shows loyalty.
I agree we should keep James Chester.
Of course we should keep Chester
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doesn't Bjorn translate to Bear in his case?
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Why are we talking about Bjorn again?
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Why are we talking about Bjorn again?
Agreed - so boring. Byawn.
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I'd have expected him to be stretching the shirt by now. Is it time to issue his agent a Bjørn ultimatum?
Very good.
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Hope he follows the quote from Friedrich Engels, whenever he plays;
An ounce of action is worth a ton of theory.
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How are you guys pronouncing Bjørn??
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How are you guys pronouncing Bjørn??
Incorrectly, I suspect :)
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How are you guys pronouncing Bjørn??
Incorrectly, I suspect :)
Porn, horn, corn, born, worn, morn(ing).
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How are you guys pronouncing Bjørn??
Incorrectly, I suspect :)
Porn, horn, corn, born, worn, morn(ing).
This slightly explains above puns - though "j" is audible "bje" type of way.
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How are you guys pronouncing Bjørn??
Incorrectly, I suspect :)
Porn, horn, corn, born, worn, morn(ing).
This slightly explains above puns - though "j" is audible "bje" type of way.
We pronounce it sort of like this - beyorn. I'm sure BE could come up with a better explanation.
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How are you guys pronouncing Bjørn??
Incorrectly, I suspect :)
Porn, horn, corn, born, worn, morn(ing).
This slightly explains above puns - though "j" is audible "bje" type of way.
Every day is a school day.
🤓
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I'd have thought it was in the Scandinavian style, so something like Byearn, but only one syllable's worth
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How are you guys pronouncing Bjørn??
Incorrectly, I suspect :)
Porn, horn, corn, born, worn, morn(ing).
This slightly explains above puns - though "j" is audible "bje" type of way.
We pronounce it sort of like this - beyorn. I'm sure BE could come up with a better explanation.
Like "Beyonce".
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Those of a certain age on here grew up with Bjorn’s at the forefront of celebrity. The first real tennis superstar being the main one. The other was the ugly one out of ABBA. So we are fairly adept with the correct pronunciation of Bjorn (B’yorn).
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Those of a certain age on here grew up with Bjorn’s at the forefront of celebrity. The first real tennis superstar being the main one. The other was the ugly one out of ABBA. So we are fairly adept with the correct pronunciation of Bjorn (B’yorn).
That's certainly how I've been pronouncing it!
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Let's get back on track! Engels to sign today by the look of it.
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I have it on good authority that Engels is in the US and laying low in a little house on a prairie.
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I have it on good authority that Engels is in the US and laying low in a little house on a prairie.
Close but not close enough!
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Confirmed at last
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Change the thread title!
https://www.avfc.co.uk/News/2019/07/16/bjorn-engels-signs-for-aston-villa?fbclid=IwAR2klQmL2de__9fFBMlGxkBYcnyu6czpRx8que6FC9mKtSYDoqcCyqX_0zU
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Welcome on board Bjorn
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😊 Welcome.
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Welcome Bjorn to the greatest football club you will ever know. The best of luck.
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Welcome Bjorn.
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Hope he's brilliant. Welcome. Now for Douglas.
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And through it all he offers me protection
A lot of blocks and deflections
Whether I’m right or wrong
And down the Villa Park wherever it may take me
I know that life won’t break me when I come to call
He won’t forsake me
I’m loving Engels instead
[Source: Kish ‘All Things Villa’ WhatsApp Group]
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From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs. I have a feeling that Henri Lansbury is going to start to receive a free TV License by September.
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Welcome Bjorn.
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Welcome big man! 6'4" Bjorn alongside 6'5" Tyrone!
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Just watched his interview, love him already.
But I fear for him on his initiation song.
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We’re going to be absolute beasts from set pieces next season.
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Just watched his interview, love him already.
Got a link to his interview please? Can’t see it on Pravda.
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https://youtu.be/bFudZAbkwkc
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Was Bjorn Free?
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Was Bjorn Free?
Again?
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Who is the guy with him on about the 5th photo in on the gallery on official site. I thought it might bexWesley but not too sure as the guy has a small goatee
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Welcome to the Villa Bjorn
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I have a feeling he is going to be very good.
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Even though he's not Scandinavian, we're always better with a Scandinavian sounding centre back.
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And through it all he offers me protection
A lot of blocks and deflections
Whether I’m right or wrong
And down the Villa Park wherever it may take me
I know that life won’t break me when I come to call
He won’t forsake me
I’m loving Engels instead
[Source: Kish ‘All Things Villa’ WhatsApp Group]
Any other versions offered?
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Not sure what to make of that video about his medical tests. Bit OTT intrusive or reassuring the club are pulling out all the stops to get him signed off fit even on tour in the US.
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Welcome Bjorn.
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Looks quite slightly built for a central defender. Needs to eat his shredded wheat
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Do we MRI all players at medicals, or were they looking at a specific injury? Was it the hips they were looking at?
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He's too skinny, where's the muscles?!
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He had a knee injury in 2014/15 that had him out of action for over a year. So I would think they were checking on that.
If he's passed the medical then I can only assume it's not of huge concern. All the same, we do seem to have a predilection for signing talented centre-halves with knee trouble...............
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Probably repeating another post but just caught this on Twitter...
I'M LOVING ENGELS INSTEAD
OHHH HE OFFERS US PROTECTION
A LOT OF BLOCKS AND DEFLECTIONS
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Whilst the Lyrics are quite funny is anyone really going to start singing Robbie Williams at a football match? Really?
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Steppenwolf “Bjorn to be wild”.
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Whilst the Lyrics are quite funny is anyone really going to start singing Robbie Williams at a football match? Really?
They've sung Boney M and Culture Club based songs recently. Oasis too. So why wouldn't they?
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Whilst the Lyrics are quite funny is anyone really going to start singing Robbie Williams at a football match? Really?
Almost certainly.
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Whilst the Lyrics are quite funny is anyone really going to start singing Robbie Williams at a football match? Really?
I came on to inform you that, for what it's worth, I will not be joining in with any chanting based on Robbie Williams songs.
What next? 'Mauled by the lions!' with 'hilarious' clawing choreography?
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Whilst the Lyrics are quite funny is anyone really going to start singing Robbie Williams at a football match? Really?
Almost certainly.
I'm sure that there's a song that contains the lyric "Marx and Engels". I've been racking my brain all day and can't remember it.
Google hasn't helped either. That just produces a Belle and Sebastian song, and it's not that one.
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Probably repeating another post but just caught this on Twitter...
I'M LOVING ENGELS INSTEAD
OHHH HE OFFERS US PROTECTION
A LOT OF BLOCKS AND DEFLECTIONS
Just... No.
Robbie Williams is up there with Bono in the shiteness stakes.
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I'm also hoping that playing that Oasis dirge after a win will be dropped this season
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I don't want deflections, I want the ball obtained and taken out to the midfield with calm assurance.
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Whilst the Lyrics are quite funny is anyone really going to start singing Robbie Williams at a football match? Really?
Almost certainly.
I'm sure that there's a song that contains the lyric "Marx and Engels". I've been racking my brain all day and can't remember it.
Google hasn't helped either. That just produces a Belle and Sebastian song, and it's not that one.
Karlo Marx and Fredrich Engels
Came to the checkout at the 7-11
Marx was skint - but he had sense
Engels lent him the necessary pence
The Clash, The Magnificent Seven.
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I don't want deflections, I want the ball obtained and taken out to the midfield with calm assurance.
That works too:
The ball obtained
Taken out to the midfield
A lot of calm assurance
I'm loving Engels instead.
Sorry.
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You have entertained me, no worries.
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Whilst the Lyrics are quite funny is anyone really going to start singing Robbie Williams at a football match? Really?
Liverpool (and other) fans have turned a Rodgers & Hammerstein song into probably the best known terrace song, so I wouldn't say it's impossible.
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I'm also hoping that playing that Oasis dirge after a win will be dropped this season
🙏🙏🙏
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Bjorn Engels to the tune of Mr BoJangles...
I knew a man
Mr Bojrn Engles
He could jump so high
Jump so high
And then he'd lightly touch down
Mr Bojrn Engles...
Mr Bjorn Engles
Mr Bjorn Engles
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Bjorn Engels to the tune of Mr BoJangles...
I knew a man
Mr Bojrn Engles
He could jump so high
Jump so high
And then he'd lightly touch down
Mr Bojrn Engles...
Mr Bjorn Engles
Mr Bjorn Engles
Now that is good.
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Whilst the Lyrics are quite funny is anyone really going to start singing Robbie Williams at a football match? Really?
Almost certainly.
Modern football is rubbish.
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I'm also hoping that playing that Oasis dirge after a win will be dropped this season
Here, here (and not because we're not winning any games)!
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Whilst the Lyrics are quite funny is anyone really going to start singing Robbie Williams at a football match? Really?
Almost certainly.
That's even worse than the drum some dickhead started bringing in a few years ago. Should be an instant ban from the stadium for life for anyone that does that.
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I'm also hoping that playing that Oasis dirge after a win will be dropped this season
Here, here (and not because we're not winning any games)!
I've always disliked it, but it has grown on me on the basis that I can get to the pub, get served and get a seat while others are still busy having a singalong.
So, fuck it. It can stay. And it'll be funny next time we beat Man City or Man U. Obviously the latter will never happen but it would be nice if it did.
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I like Oasis and the song but I’d rather we changed it to Sweet Caroline after we win
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I'm also hoping that playing that Oasis dirge after a win will be dropped this season
🙏🙏🙏
It's gotta be something with a Birmingham link. May be The Beat, Jackpot after a win, Rough rider on the rare occasions we lose.
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I like Oasis and the song but I’d rather we changed it to Sweet Caroline after we win
Yeah agree update to Sweet Caroline now required
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Whilst the Lyrics are quite funny is anyone really going to start singing Robbie Williams at a football match? Really?
Almost certainly.
Modern football is rubbish.
Engels kicks the ball up the pitch again
We'll score 3 goals before tomorrow singing
La la la la la....
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I like Oasis and the song but I’d rather we changed it to Sweet Caroline after we win
Me too.
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I prefer Oasis. I think it's a great song and a good majority of the fans still get involved. I appreciate I'm in a minority on this forum and wouldn't be overly upset if it was changed.
I personally don't feel any great need for a Midlands connection to bands that are played at VP. I can't ever imagine fans singing along to Black Sabbath and a lot of our yonger fans probably won't have even heard a song from almot 50 years ago.
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Most bands don't really have a connection to a club, but one of the rare ones that do is Oasis and City do play their songs post match. Just seems a bit cringeworthy to me.
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Even though he's not Scandinavian, we're always better with a Scandinavian sounding centre back.
Ha, ha. I said exactly the same when we signed him.
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He definitely looks like a good centre half on a purely visual basis. I don’t mind that he’s skinny, Laursen was a streak of piss but still hard as nails.
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Oasis are an awful band imo. Sabbath are music legends and Geezer is a big Villa fan. Heavy Metal is to Birmingham what Hip Hop is to New York or Reggae to Jamaica and we should celebrate it.
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Oasis are an awful band imo. Sabbath are music legends and Geezer is a big Villa fan. Heavy Metal is to Birmingham what Hip Hop is to New York or Reggae to Jamaica and we should celebrate it.
The problem is it sounds shit.
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Oasis are an awful band imo. Sabbath are music legends and Geezer is a big Villa fan. Heavy Metal is to Birmingham what Hip Hop is to New York or Reggae to Jamaica and we should celebrate it.
The problem is it sounds shit.
Whenever I hear someone say that about Metal they often haven't heard any Metal at all but regardless of that it sounds very good at the big sporting events in the USA so it can definitely work.
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It is no Chas and Dave though.
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Oasis are an awful band imo. Sabbath are music legends and Geezer is a big Villa fan. Heavy Metal is to Birmingham what Hip Hop is to New York or Reggae to Jamaica and we should celebrate it.
The problem is it sounds shit.
Whenever I hear someone say that about Metal they often haven't heard any Metal at all but regardless of that it sounds very good at the big sporting events in the USA so it can definitely work.
Are these big sporting events when Americans play each other in the “World Series”.
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Oasis are an awful band imo. Sabbath are music legends and Geezer is a big Villa fan. Heavy Metal is to Birmingham what Hip Hop is to New York or Reggae to Jamaica and we should celebrate it.
The problem is it sounds shit.
Whenever I hear someone say that about Metal they often haven't heard any Metal at all but regardless of that it sounds very good at the big sporting events in the USA so it can definitely work.
They played Iron Man between rounds at the Joshua fight in New York. Even though I’m not really fan, I was chuffed. Thing is though, they played Wonderwall between another two rounds and everybody sang along.
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It was a Joshua fight tbf, would have been full of Brits in the 20-40 age group which is exactly the demographic who listen to Oasis.
Also I wouldn't say Iron Man was the sort of song to sing along to. If they'd have played Crazy Train I bet they'd have sang along to that.
🤘
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Oasis are an awful band imo. Sabbath are music legends and Geezer is a big Villa fan. Heavy Metal is to Birmingham what Hip Hop is to New York or Reggae to Jamaica and we should celebrate it.
The problem is it sounds shit.
Whenever I hear someone say that about Metal they often haven't heard any Metal at all but regardless of that it sounds very good at the big sporting events in the USA so it can definitely work.
They played Iron Man between rounds at the Joshua fight in New York. Even though I’m not really fan, I was chuffed. Thing is though, they played Wonderwall between another two rounds and everybody sang along.
I feel like we are comparing apples and oranges here.
Ozzy/Sabbath does get played at sporting events in the US, typically Crazy Train in my experience, but it's usually used just to get the crowd pumped up and screaming.
So IMHO, if you want a sing-a-long go for DLBIA or Sweet Caroline. If you want to scream your head off and make as much noise as possible then Ozzy fits the bill.
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Oasis are an awful band imo. Sabbath are music legends and Geezer is a big Villa fan. Heavy Metal is to Birmingham what Hip Hop is to New York or Reggae to Jamaica and we should celebrate it.
The problem is it sounds shit.
That made me chuckle Lee - as a Soul music lover I enjoyed our trips to Wigan when Northern Soul classics were played pre and post match - each to his own in terms of musical taste I guess
If travelling or overseas I always get "homesick" or think of Brum whenever I hear a UB 40 track played
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Oasis are an awful band imo. Sabbath are music legends and Geezer is a big Villa fan. Heavy Metal is to Birmingham what Hip Hop is to New York or Reggae to Jamaica and we should celebrate it.
The problem is it sounds shit.
That made me chuckle Lee - as a Soul music lover I enjoyed our trips to Wigan when Northern Soul classics were played pre and post match - each to his own in terms of musical taste I guess
If travelling or overseas I always get "homesick" or think of Brum whenever I hear a UB 40 track played
I can dig the soul, brother.
If it was up to me I'd have a 4 hour Masters at Work set building up to kick off, and probably a couple of eckies thrown in, but that's my personal preference.
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Oasis are an awful band imo. Sabbath are music legends and Geezer is a big Villa fan. Heavy Metal is to Birmingham what Hip Hop is to New York or Reggae to Jamaica and we should celebrate it.
The problem is it sounds shit.
That made me chuckle Lee - as a Soul music lover I enjoyed our trips to Wigan when Northern Soul classics were played pre and post match - each to his own in terms of musical taste I guess
If travelling or overseas I always get "homesick" or think of Brum whenever I hear a UB 40 track played
I can dig the soul, brother.
If it was up to me I'd have a 4 hour Masters at Work set building up to kick off, and probably a couple of eckies thrown in, but that's my personal preference.
Love a bit of MAW...!
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Oasis are an awful band imo. Sabbath are music legends and Geezer is a big Villa fan. Heavy Metal is to Birmingham what Hip Hop is to New York or Reggae to Jamaica and we should celebrate it.
The problem is it sounds shit.
Whenever I hear someone say that about Metal they often haven't heard any Metal at all but regardless of that it sounds very good at the big sporting events in the USA so it can definitely work.
How about a bit of Napalm Death at half time? Just in the away team dressing room if we are losing.
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I don't think it has to be local but would prefer something not obviously associated with another club. I'd like Geno back - we've got history with it & the 'Deano' thing would work again. Failing that, the Spencer Davis Group had some absolute bangers.
Both local but not sure how much Villa involvement.
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I don't think it has to be local but would prefer something not obviously associated with another club. I'd like Geno back - we've got history with it & the 'Deano' thing would work again. Failing that, the Spencer Davis Group had some absolute bangers.
Both local but not sure how much Villa involvement.
The Spencer Davis Group - Keep on Running
Repeat ad nauseum
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I would love us to run out to the a capella version 'Wall of Deafening Noise' by The Aston Villa Fans.
Effective, awe-inspiring, and totally Brummie 20% Brummie and 80% folk from the shires.
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All very illuminating, fromPhilosopher Engels to Black Sabbath & Northern Soul, but, could someone tell me why Engels is not seemingly not involved in our pre season friendlies(?). Or , in the maelstrom of transfer news enveloping the Club, have I missed something?. Still believe he will end up in midfield, but, what do I know?!, nothing , apparently!....Godzvilla !
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Having heard you lot sing, I'd like to propose something by Guthrie Govan :)
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All very illuminating, fromPhilosopher Engels to Black Sabbath & Northern Soul, but, could someone tell me why Engels is not seemingly not involved in our pre season friendlies(?). Or , in the maelstrom of transfer news enveloping the Club, have I missed something?. Still believe he will end up in midfield, but, what do I know?!, nothing , apparently!....Godzvilla !
From what I've heard he had a minor knock which they didn't think was worth risking on Sat, in America he just hadn't been with the team long enough.
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Just talking with a neighbour who knows I'm a Villa fan and he cracked on that he is related to Bjorn s' wife who is from these parts - he has watched his career since Bjorn was 16
He said he had put club above country when carrying a knock which led to him missing out on a World Cup place for Belgium.
Apparently he (Bjorn) Is delighted to be joining the Villa.
The only negative being he is a bit injury prone
My neighbour ( Anfield season card holder) went on to say he thought Villa were buying with some thought and planning - loves Dean Smith's footballing philosophy and can see us finishing in the top half of the table
Great to hear
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Just talking with a neighbour who knows I'm a Villa fan and he cracked on that he is related to Bjorn s' wife who is from these parts - he has watched his career since Bjorn was 16
He said he had put club above country when carrying a knock which led to him missing out on a World Cup place for Belgium.
Apparently he (Bjorn) Is delighted to be joining the Villa.
The only negative being he is a bit injury prone
My neighbour ( Anfield season card holder) went on to say he thought Villa were buying with some thought and planning - loves Dean Smith's footballing philosophy and can see us finishing in the top half of the table
Great to hear
Good to hear that he's a good player with good attitude or that your Liverpool supporting mate thinks we're doing ok? :-)
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It's all nice to hear Drummond
Without exception all the footy fans I've recently spoken with whist on holiday or locally have genuinely been pleased to see Villa back in the top flight and are looking forward to see what style of Football we adopt to survive/thrive
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It's all nice to hear Drummond
Without exception all the footy fans I've recently spoken with whist on holiday or locally have genuinely been pleased to see Villa back in the top flight and are looking forward to see what style of Football we adopt to survive/thrive
I agree on the first but not the second. I want everyone to think we're going to fail and then to prove them wrong!
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A solid first half. Looks like he's been with us for years.
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He’s been excellent.
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Played well. Looks a good player.
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I think he'll be a fantastic addition once he settles fully, already looks a top player for the price.
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Classy performance, fitted in well
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Played very well. Looks the business.
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Great great buy.
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At £7m he's an absolute bargain judging on his performance today. Most impressed.
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Looked quality today.
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Yep, him and Mings were both excellent. Very unlucky for their second goal as the ball deflected off both of them right into Kane's path.
Get Doug/Nakamba in front of them, and Guilbert and Targett either side and that looks like a good defensive unit.
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He looked really good today, alongside Mings who was immense.
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Him and Mings looked good today, and combined they cost less than half a Maguire.
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Hadn't seen him in a competitive game before today but he looks a lass player on todays showing.
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I'll let someone else go first...
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I've liked the look of him since the pre season games.
Calm in possesion and good reader of the game, reminds me a lot of when Mellberg joined us. Just an unfussy way of defending rather than just lunging in and gambling all the time.
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Impressive for me. Very assured.
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I said in the pre season games he reminded me of Mellberg. He played like Mellberg in his pomp today.
Get Targett and Guilbert either side of the Engels/Mings/Heaton trio thats some good potential defence we got.
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I thought he looked very good
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My neighbour (Anfield season card holder)
Are we supposed to be impressed with the opinions of someone with these credentials? ;-)
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Pick of the defenders
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I'll let someone else go first...
A fantastic maiden appearance.
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Very impressive debut. the flicked clearance in the second half was class.
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He was excellent today. Seems to have a good understanding with Tyrone already.
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The defence was pretty good today. Engles is a very decent defender and will form a really good partnership with the Emperor.
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I thought he was excellent, different player from Mellberg IMO as calm in possession
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Excellent tonight. Very composed and confident. Hopefully only get even better
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Engels Mings has the makings of a pairing that could last for a long time to come
Both quality players
I thought Engles was the best of the two today
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Engels Mings has the makings of a pairing that could last for a long time to come
Both quality players
I thought Engles was the best of the two today
I didn't, I thought Mings was absolutely immense. Engels was very good, but Tyrone was brilliant.
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Engels Mings has the makings of a pairing that could last for a long time to come
Both quality players
I thought Engles was the best of the two today
I didn't, I thought Mings was absolutely immense. Engels was very good, but Tyrone was brilliant.
It’s probably a good thing that they were both good and we have a split decision on the winner
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Engels Mings has the makings of a pairing that could last for a long time to come
Both quality players
I thought Engles was the best of the two today
I didn't, I thought Mings was absolutely immense. Engels was very good, but Tyrone was brilliant.
It’s probably a good thing that they were both good and we have a split decision on the winner
Yep, I don't think we have much to worry about in central defence for a while. Heaton was excellent too.
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Both of them were class. They didn't deserve to be part of a defence that conceded three. Neither did Heaton.
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Engels looked very good, but Tyrone was immense today. The amount of blocks, headers and clearances was unreal. Our undoing second-half was giving the ball away cheaply.
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I’m loving Engels instead.
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Once the two of them have had a few more games together I think we'll be thinking about our great pairings of the past again. I thought he was brilliant.
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He was excellent.
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If he can play that well on his debut, and maintain the consistency, what a player we have on our hands. Good partnership forming with Tyrone already.
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He reminded me of Laursen, but cooler!
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I’m loving Engels instead.
Yes he offers us protection at the back.
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Engels was top top notch
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He reminded me of Laursen, but cooler!
Cooler than Laursen? Martin doesn't sweat in a sauna. You saying that Engels is The IceMan?
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I’m loving Engels instead.
Yes he offers us protection at the back.
He’s getting a lot of love and affection on here..
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One particular clearance when we were under the cosh in the 2nd half was superb, the hook back over his shoulder. Early days but I think we've found one here.
If so with Heaton, Engels, Mings, Douglas, SJM and Jack as a spine I'd be very confident of comfortably staying up.
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He reminded me of Laursen, but cooler!
Cooler than Laursen? Martin doesn't sweat in a sauna. You saying that Engels is The IceMan?
We'll see, but certainly up there in the icebox stakes
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He had a superb game. My man of the match.
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He cost £8.5m & Maguire £85m? So a tenth of the cost! Stupid idiots at United love wasting money - Sanchez costs them £550k per week in wages and he doesn't play!
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Engels marks class capital struggle.
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‘Class’ is exactly the right word to describe Engels.
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Engels marks class capital struggle.
Yes.
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Brilliant yesterday alongside Mings, i can see that becoming one hell of a partnership over the next few months
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He cost £8.5m & Maguire £85m? So a tenth of the cost! Stupid idiots at United love wasting money - Sanchez costs them £550k per week in wages and he doesn't play!
They also have to accept though, that anytime Man United come calling for a player, they pay a premium. Had they signed Engels, the fee would have been 20 million. That said, Maguire is not worth that much money. Bloody ridiculous money.
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Watching Bjorn against Spurs I was impressed with him played well he will be a top player for us.
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The pick of our team on Saturday.
Oozed class, great reader of the game, sound positional play, good in possession and excellent clearances under pressure.
My fave.
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Very impressive.
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I’m loving Engels instead.
Yes he offers us protection at the back.
He’s getting a lot of love and affection on here..
Well are we right or wrong?
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Jesus, A Robbie Williams punfest. Kill me now.
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Jesus, A Robbie Williams punfest. Kill me now.
She spoke in dialect I could not understand
But one thing that she made clear
There was no coming on to her
There was no intellect
That she could respect
If it couldn't see
That the girl just wants to be
Left alone with Mings and Engels for a while
She's writing in the style
Of any riot girl
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He's quite handsome too, I was surprised how beautiful his eyes were.
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Jesus, A Robbie Williams punfest. Kill me now.
She spoke in dialect I could not understand
But one thing that she made clear
There was no coming on to her
There was no intellect
That she could respect
If it couldn't see
That the girl just wants to be
Left alone with Mings and Engels for a while
She's writing in the style
Of any riot girl
Now that's more like it!
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Jesus, A Robbie Williams punfest. Kill me now.
I tried to start an ownership of the means of production bourgeoisie worker struggle punfest but nobody capitalised on it.
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Jesus, A Robbie Williams punfest. Kill me now.
I tried to start an ownership of the means of production bourgeoisie worker struggle punfest but nobody capitalised on it.
There was no interest.
I've been Right Here Waiting For You though.
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Jesus, A Robbie Williams punfest. Kill me now.
I tried to start an ownership of the means of production bourgeoisie worker struggle punfest but nobody capitalised on it.
It gave me the Trots.
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Full marks.
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Jesus, A Robbie Williams punfest. Kill me now.
I tried to start an ownership of the means of production bourgeoisie worker struggle punfest but nobody capitalised on it.
full Marx for trying.
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See post above yours. :-)
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See post above yours. :-)
damn your eyes, sir, and may des cartes of hell carry you off.
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At least pun-marathons never happen here.
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At least pun-marathons never happen here.
Someone will get their Snickers in a twist though.
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At least pun-marathons never happen here.
Someone will get their Snickers in a twist though.
I think you mean knickers in a twix.
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At least pun-marathons never happen here.
No, they just hap-pun from time to time.
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Whilst the Lyrics are quite funny is anyone really going to start singing Robbie Williams at a football match? Really?
Almost certainly.
I'm sure that there's a song that contains the lyric "Marx and Engels". I've been racking my brain all day and can't remember it.
Google hasn't helped either. That just produces a Belle and Sebastian song, and it's not that one.
This has been bugging me for weeks but I’ve finally remembered.
The lyric I was thinking of is from ‘Ribbons’ by The Sisters of Mercy
Her lovers queued up in the hallway
I heard them scratching at the door
I tried to tell her
About Marx and Engels, God and angels
I don't really know what for
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I think this guy may have gone slightly under the radar due to the amount of signings we made in the summer, he’s looking bloody good so far.
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I think this guy may have gone slightly under the radar due to the amount of signings we made in the summer, he’s looking bloody good so far.
looks a very good defender, was it him who stopped the goal in the first half?
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Yes. He's bloody great. The latest Villa Scandinavian colossus.
Edit: or not, because he's Belgian!
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I love the fact that he punched the air after that block. Great to see defenders who love clean sheets. Very good player!
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Potential player of the year in the making.
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I love Mings and Engels more than any defensive pairing we've ever had.
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They are literally massive in defence
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What a player this guy is! Not just his defending, but in his forward play. Love him.
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I love Mings and Engels more than any defensive pairing we've ever had.
That’s big Risso. I may never overcome my first love of Alan & Ken, you’re old enough to have seen them no? But basically as an adult, I might agree.
BOTH are looking, well what would be the plural of collosus?
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He is a superb player. For us to find a CB to immediately and perfectly compliment Mings is some going on the part of the clubs scouting department.
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He is a superb player. For us to find a CB to immediately and perfectly compliment Mings is some going on the part of the clubs scouting department.
apparently Deano had him on his radar at Brentford.
He is class for sure.
Evans + McNaught, Mellberg + Laursen ...
Maybe; just maybe ...
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I love Mings and Engels more than any defensive pairing we've ever had.
That’s big Risso. I may never overcome my first love of Alan & Ken, you’re old enough to have seen them no? But basically as an adult, I might agree.
BOTH are looking, well what would be the plural of collosus?
To be honest, Mings plus anyone would have a chance of being my favourite at the moment, but the way Engels has come in and just adjusted so effortlessly is brilliant. They're a completely new pairing but look like they've played together for years.
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With Freddie's pace, I wonder whether a back three of Mings, Engels and Konsa would be worth looking at. Freddie and Targett down the flanks would be pretty awesome, and it would mean we can be more compact in the middle.
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His quality is genuinely remarkable.
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I love Mings and Engels more than any defensive pairing we've ever had.
That’s big Risso. I may never overcome my first love of Alan & Ken, you’re old enough to have seen them no? But basically as an adult, I might agree.
BOTH are looking, well what would be the plural of collosus?
To be honest, Mings plus anyone would have a chance of being my favourite at the moment, but the way Engels has come in and just adjusted so effortlessly is brilliant. They're a completely new pairing but look like they've played together for years.
As a pair i think they might end up being mine if they carry on in the same vein for a few years. They do look special.
I'm thinking about some of the trio's we had in the 90's though, McGrath, Mountfield, Neilson / McGrath, Southgate, Ugo / Southgate, Ugo, Barry. Those were all a bit good.
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A real credit to the scouting department, very well done.
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He looks a little bit like a young Nicholas Lyndhurst from Only Fools and Horse. Rodney?
Rodney and the Emperor. Magic.
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He looks a little bit like a young Nicholas Lyndhurst from Only Fools and Horse. Rodney?
Rodney and the Emperor. Magic.
He looks absolutely nothing like him but it's as good a nickname as any. Rodney it is then.
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He looks a little bit like a young Nicholas Lyndhurst from Only Fools and Horse. Rodney?
Rodney and the Emperor. Magic.
He looks absolutely nothing like him but it's as good a nickname as any. Rodney it is then.
I guess we call him Dave then
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He looks a little bit like a young Nicholas Lyndhurst from Only Fools and Horse. Rodney?
Rodney and the Emperor. Magic.
He looks absolutely nothing like him but it's as good a nickname as any. Rodney it is then.
I guess we call him Dave then
Funny that, I was thinking the other day, who was the last Dave/David we had playing first-team football for us? The only one that came to mind was Ginola, any other offers?
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David Hughes, played a few games in mid 90s.
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Yep, forgot about him.
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And David James of course.
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And another. I'll bet there's plenty.
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Platt, Norton, Unsworth.
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Platt, Norton, Unsworth.
Keep going, it's good for my brain training.
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I'm not sure we can count Unsworth.
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Rudge.
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Pountney 60s
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Quality player. We have a quality CB pairing in the making, and I was concerned and relieved when both Mings and Engels went down with injuries in the first half. Fairplay to Engels for getting back on his feet when Mings nearly kicked his head off!
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Dave Farrell popped into my head which is odd because I don't remember him. I had to Google to see if he existed.
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Dave Farrell popped into my head which is odd because I don't remember him. I had to Google to see if he existed.
Atkinson era?
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I think we're getting a bit carried away with our Dave's here folks. The question I asked was who was the last Dave/David that played for us in the first team?
While I'm here, don't forget Dave Roberts and Dave Simmons RIP.
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Dave Farrell popped into my head which is odd because I don't remember him. I had to Google to see if he existed.
Atkinson era?
It said on wiki he was here between 1992-1995. I remember the name but just can't place him.
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David Hughes in the Brian Little era.
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David Hughes in the Brian Little era.
Ahem
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Dave Farrell popped into my head which is odd because I don't remember him. I had to Google to see if he existed.
Atkinson era?
It said on wiki he was here between 1992-1995. I remember the name but just can't place him.
A winger wasn’t he? I vaguely recall him starting a match around Christmas time when I was at uni so would’ve been about 94.
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I vaguely remember him. According to Wiki he went on to play bass for Linkin Park.
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I vaguely remember him. According to Wiki he went on to play bass for Linkin Park.
You're thinking of Paul Mortimer.
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I've just read a strange quote from Roberto Martinez saying Bjorn Engels isn't '100% fit'.
https://twitter.com/villareport/status/1167472983507644416?s=19
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I've just read a strange quote from Roberto Martinez saying Bjorn Engels isn't '100% fit'.
https://twitter.com/villareport/status/1167472983507644416?s=19
Wonder if the quote wasn't initially in English and "fit" hasn't really translated properly.
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Spoke with one of Bjorn s wife's relatives today .....they are settling well in the Midlands and apparently Bjorn loves it at the villa....he is learning from Tyrone and says they have a great relationship on and off the playing field
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Martinez was never the greatest manager of defenders. Not sure why he would just make stuff up as an excuse not to pick someone, though.
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Bet he'll be in the next squad
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Bargain of the summer this lad. Excellent again tonight.
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Just, WOW!
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The Ice Man. Superb, just looks unflappable.
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Sooooo cool.
I poor pass last night, but - otherwise - excellent.
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Yeah match on match improvement
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Looking really good so far, and shows there's still bargains to be had out there.
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Very good.
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Really good again. Mentioned in the match thread there was one tackle where he got the ball cleanly from the wrong side of the player and came out of defence with it. Amazing how he did it without fouling.
He reminds me of one of those lanky, not very athletic looking players you get at 5 aside that are impossible to get past, who never have a bead of sweat on them.
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For me this guy has been the best buy of all the new signings. Looks class and a snip at the price we paid.
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For me this guy has been the best buy of all the new signings. Looks class and a snip at the price we paid.
Agree, Engels and Guilbert combined fee £12m
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For me this guy has been the best buy of all the new signings. Looks class and a snip at the price we paid.
Agree, Engels and Guilbert combined fee £12m
Both look like bargains, Engels looks so composed for someone playing in a new league. Guilberts pace and energy was impressive last night again.
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Both were good last night -Bjorn is a top defender.
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I'm tempering this with the thought that Micah Richards looked decent for the first two months, but this guy looks the business so far.
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I suspect Bjorn's fitness record is superior!
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And attitude!
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He's probably a better Secret Santa too.
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I'm tempering this with the thought that Micah Richards looked decent for the first two months, but this guy looks the business so far.
Go and stand over there on that step and think what you have just done - tut tut
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Read an article earlier showing the 20 fastest sprints by players in Europe this season, remarkably, Engels was in the top 10. He looked borderline asthmatic against Southampton.
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Read an article earlier showing the 20 fastest sprints by players in Europe this season, remarkably, Engels was in the top 10. He looked borderline asthmatic against Southampton.
I remember an article which stated that based on stats, Hutton was are most effective sprinter. When interviewed he laughed and said "Naah, it's Gabby".
Of the players brought in under the new admin, I get the feeling that they will all go on to great things, but time is at a premium for us.
Now, thanks to injuries, we are depending on an extremely productive transfer window.
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Wasn't in the squad at all against Burnley, then dumped in the stiffs today for the annual FA Cup capitulation. A right nosedive in form and confidence since the start of the season.
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He'll come again, more than enough quality there for it to come through.
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I heard he had the flu and just recovered.
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He looked so good at the start of the season, I was convinced we had found ourselves a nice Laursen/Mellberg clone.
Yet he looks like a carthorse in any recent appearances. His pace seems totally non existent, any quick Premier League forward will tear him to shreds.
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We were defending deeper and as a unit much more. Then we decided on a high line against speed merchants and he got caught out, lost confidence. Poor management imo.
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Yet he looks like a carthorse in any recent appearances. His pace seems totally non existent, any quick Premier League forward will tear him to shreds.
Well not according to the article which might be because he’s either carrying an injury, he’s struggling to adapt or the journalist made up the list by drawing names out of a hat.
My opinion is that like nearly all the other signings, he’s got s lot of promise but they struggle when playing all together. Think he’ll come good.
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He'll be fine in the 343 alternating with Konza, alongside Mings and Hause who are the 2 that have to play most games
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What has happened to Engles? Have I missed an injury he has picked up or has he gone from 2nd choice to 5th choice in Smiths eyes?
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Must have done, as he played at Fulham a week ago so doubt he's picked up another injury since.
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Another mystery, looked promising, has injury, bad game, dropped.
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Another mystery, looked promising, has injury, bad game, dropped.
Same as Guilbert - plays well, dropped. Others play shit, start next week.
Maybe DS asks them to play shit, and he rewards players for doing as told? (joke)
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Even though we were letting in too many goals, he looked quite accomplished with Mings early on.
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Even though we were letting in too many goals, he looked quite accomplished with Mings early on.
For me without doubt our strongest centre back partnership
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In a three would he be in the centre or on the right? Being in the centre would mask his pace better and also allow him to the main link/passer however Mings appears to be the talisman and organiser. Thoughts?
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In a three would he be in the centre or on the right? Being in the centre would mask his pace better and also allow him to the main link/passer however Mings appears to be the talisman and organiser. Thoughts?
Maybe he's going with Konza as he's a bit quicker. He did do ok at the start of the season with Mings but I think a back three is the best way for us to go at the moment.
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I think we're actually pretty well-off as far as centre backs go. That there are a number of combinations is good and whilst Engles and Mings looked good together early on, Hause and Konsa haven't let themselves down when they've come in.
The issue is our midfield being powderpuff and letting everyone through.
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Agree with that. Chester coming in, particularly as part of a three would be fine as well. Not a lot to pick between Konsa, Engels and Hause, all pretty similar. Hause is the most 'mixed bag' as he's the best defender of the three and defends as well as Mings pretty much but gives the ball away the most when playing out of defence.
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Which one literally passed the ball to Aguero last Sunday and basically said there you go mate on your way to a hat trick
or are we just pretending these things never happened
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Hauser had a poor game against Citeh.
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Chester is being linked with Middlesbrough.
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Which one literally passed the ball to Aguero last Sunday and basically said there you go mate on your way to a hat trick
or are we just pretending these things never happened
Not sure what point you're making?
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Which one literally passed the ball to Aguero last Sunday and basically said there you go mate on your way to a hat trick
or are we just pretending these things never happened
Not sure what point you're making?
you saying they haven’t let themselves down after one of the most inept defensive performances culminating in one of them giving Aguero an easy assist
What game are you watching because they were woeful as were the rest of them
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Hauser had a poor game against Citeh.
X11
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Not even on the bench. I don't get DS - is he only picking players based on friendship? Drinkwater starts?
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Hasn't looked the same player since picking up an injury at Norwich. Prior to that he was excellent.
Will come good again.
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Training ground bust up weeks ago and we are trying to find a centre back to let him go aparently.
Terry blamed him for a goal and he blamed the formation which smith took offence to and dropped him and hes not has a sniff since. If vida comes Engles goes.
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Hauser had a poor game against Citeh.
X11
https://bustimes.org/services/x11-newmains-west-crindledyke-glasgow
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Training ground bust up weeks ago and we are trying to find a centre back to let him go aparently.
Terry blamed him for a goal and he blamed the formation which smith took offence to and dropped him and hes not has a sniff since. If vida comes Engles goes.
Fucking hell!
There's a bit of O'Neill in Smith then eh. Would have thought him more forgiving myself. Particularly when we're not blessed with quality in depth.
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Training ground bust up weeks ago and we are trying to find a centre back to let him go aparently.
Terry blamed him for a goal and he blamed the formation which smith took offence to and dropped him and hes not has a sniff since. If vida comes Engles goes.
That’s not good if like me you really rate Engles
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I was really encouraged by Engels early on, but I think teams have now sussed his lack of pace on the turn which makes him a liability.
A half fit Chester looked a better option than him against Fulham unfortunately. Hopefully he's being hampered by an injury and will recover some pace, but if not then he needs replacing quickly. Premier League brutally exposes any shortcomings.
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He was injured and then had the flu.
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Training ground bust up weeks ago and we are trying to find a centre back to let him go aparently.
Terry blamed him for a goal and he blamed the formation which smith took offence to and dropped him and hes not has a sniff since. If vida comes Engles goes.
Fucking hell!
There's a bit of O'Neill in Smith then eh. Would have thought him more forgiving myself. Particularly when we're not blessed with quality in depth.
Surely to make that kind of assessment you'd need to know exactly what the alleged training ground bust-up consisted of?
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Training ground disagreements happen all the time. He's been sick and injured. If Kodjia got on the bench while he was completely out of favour then Engels if healthy would get in ahead of Chester.
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Training ground bust up weeks ago and we are trying to find a centre back to let him go aparently.
Terry blamed him for a goal and he blamed the formation which smith took offence to and dropped him and hes not has a sniff since. If vida comes Engles goes.
Fucking hell!
There's a bit of O'Neill in Smith then eh. Would have thought him more forgiving myself. Particularly when we're not blessed with quality in depth.
Surely to make that kind of assessment you'd need to know exactly what the alleged training ground bust-up consisted of?
Did you not read Holy Trinity's post, or are you just being obtuse? My reply was obviously working on the basis that there is some truth to what HT is saying. Are you suggesting he's making it up, or that it's patently untrue?
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I find that hard to believe. I know Smith's stubborn but surely he wouldn't freeze out a very promising player for something like that when we have the second worst defence in the division?
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It's a twitter bullshit post.
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Training ground bust up weeks ago and we are trying to find a centre back to let him go aparently.
Terry blamed him for a goal and he blamed the formation which smith took offence to and dropped him and hes not has a sniff since. If vida comes Engles goes.
Fucking hell!
There's a bit of O'Neill in Smith then eh. Would have thought him more forgiving myself. Particularly when we're not blessed with quality in depth.
Surely to make that kind of assessment you'd need to know exactly what the alleged training ground bust-up consisted of?
Did you not read Holy Trinity's post, or are you just being obtuse? My reply was obviously working on the basis that there is some truth to what HT is saying. Are you suggesting he's making it up, or that it's patently untrue?
I wouldn’t suggest that he’s making it up but this doesn’t mean that it’s not patently untrue. I’d say it is very unlikely to be true.
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He's been bombed out of the squad for a reason. He hasn't posted on social media himself since November, prior to which he regularly posted after every game. Something's gone on.
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Would like to see him in a 3 alongside Mings and konsa.
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Would like him back full stop, do hope this alleged bust up can be sorted out. Saw enough of him in first 2 months of season that he has the ability and more so attitude that we need more than ever now.
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His wife/partner is from Merseyside and I regularly talk with one of her relatives whilst I am out walking Marley ... I shall make some enquiries :)
I do know Engels was delighted when he signed for the Villa
I hope the rumour is just that as we need a togetherness in the squad right now
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In my view he's a bloody good player, and on the assumption he is fit he should be starting alongside Mings every time.
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Training ground bust up weeks ago and we are trying to find a centre back to let him go aparently.
Terry blamed him for a goal and he blamed the formation which smith took offence to and dropped him and hes not has a sniff since. If vida comes Engles goes.
Fucking hell!
There's a bit of O'Neill in Smith then eh. Would have thought him more forgiving myself. Particularly when we're not blessed with quality in depth.
Surely to make that kind of assessment you'd need to know exactly what the alleged training ground bust-up consisted of?
Did you not read Holy Trinity's post, or are you just being obtuse? My reply was obviously working on the basis that there is some truth to what HT is saying. Are you suggesting he's making it up, or that it's patently untrue?
Neither. I'm suggesting that if an incident did happen, 'training ground bust-up' can cover a whole range of things. He could have blamed the formation by saying "yeah, what about the formation then, let's talk about that." - in which case Smith would have been harsh to bomb him out. Or he could have gone face-to-face with him and screamed "you f***g useless c**t, f***k you and your f****g formation" and pushed him before storming off, in which case he wouldn't have been harsh to bomb him out. So what I meant by you would need to know exactly what happened before making a judgement was just that. Your reply was working on the basis of assuming Smith was to blame whatever the extent of the incident.
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Would like to see him in a 3 alongside Mings and konsa.
Me too. Hause is starting to become a bit of a liability and desperately needs some time on the bench.
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Would like to see him in a 3 alongside Mings and konsa.
Konsa has a few too many mistakes in his locker at the moment, so I would add Chester to that mix, but have doubts about how fit Chester actually is.
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Engels enjoying the south of France I believe.
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Engels enjoying the south of France I believe.
Yes, posted on Instagram - Hotel and Spa (could be injury related)
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Engels enjoying the south of France I believe.
Yes, posted on Instagram - Hotel and Spa (could be injury related)
Dean said he's fine and that he just decided to choose Chester ahead of him on the bench, but that Bjorn was doing extra training at Bodymoor with Jota ... perhaps not realising that Bjorn has been posting his holiday snaps on social media in the meantime.
Awkward.
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Engels enjoying the south of France I believe.
Yes, posted on Instagram - Hotel and Spa (could be injury related)
Dean said he's fine and that he just decided to choose Chester ahead of him on the bench, but that Bjorn was doing extra training at Bodymoor with Jota ... perhaps not realising that Bjorn has been posting his holiday snaps on social media in the meantime.
Awkward.
Unless he is in the matchday 18, I keep forgetting Jota exists.
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Engels enjoying the south of France I believe.
Yes, posted on Instagram - Hotel and Spa (could be injury related)
Dean said he's fine and that he just decided to choose Chester ahead of him on the bench, but that Bjorn was doing extra training at Bodymoor with Jota ... perhaps not realising that Bjorn has been posting his holiday snaps on social media in the meantime.
Awkward.
Very odd, unless there was a big miscommunication somewhere within the management team.
Jota was a gamble that hasn't paid off at all, despite some pre-season promise; but then Blues didn't have much else to offer.
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It’s weird as he was good at the start of the season.
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I think the likes of Kodjia, Jota, Engels and possibly Targett are the players that Smith 'read the riot act' to at Christmas.
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Was at a Reims game yesterday.
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Would like to see him in a 3 alongside Mings and konsa.
Me too. Hause is starting to become a bit of a liability and desperately needs some time on the bench.
I agree, Engels is a better footballer than Hause.
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maybe but Hause has had little senior action compared to Engles and is more versatile as he can also play left back.
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Would like to see him in a 3 alongside Mings and konsa.
In the centre maybe, hasn't enough pace to play on the right side of the three. If Smith is blaming Engels for getting skinned by Shane Long then I would have sympathy for him. Engels isn't going to have a hope if he is expected to play a high offside line with little or no protection in front of him.
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Would like to see him in a 3 alongside Mings and konsa.
Me too. Hause is starting to become a bit of a liability and desperately needs some time on the bench.
I agree, Engels is a better footballer than Hause.
I didn't realise until just now that Hause is basically the same age as Engels and a couple of years older than Konsa. I thought Hause was 20/21.
I've even less sympathy with his recent spate of slack passing gifting the opposition massive chances now. Something needs to be done to bring Engels back in to the fold if he's fit. Chester doesn't appear to be up to the job and our inability to keep a clean sheet could end up sending us down.
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Thought that he looked reasonable when he came on yesterday, especially considering that he has been no where near the squad for a month for some reason. Obviously the game situation probably played a part but thought he did well.
Will obviously come in if Konsa is injured, but otherwise, I wouldn’t be opposed to seeing a back three of Konsa-Engles-Mings going forward.
Also, I imagine this has probably been covered elsewhere, but why wasn’t it a penalty when he got punched in the head by their keeper?
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Thought that he looked reasonable when he came on yesterday, especially considering that he has been no where near the squad for a month for some reason. Obviously the game situation probably played a part but thought he did well.
Will obviously come in if Konsa is injured, but otherwise, I wouldn’t be opposed to seeing a back three of Konsa-Engles-Mings going forward.
Also, I imagine this has probably been covered elsewhere, but why wasn’t it a penalty when he got punched in the head by their keeper?
The only reason I can come up with is that both the ref and VAR were both an absolute shambles.
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Thought that he looked reasonable when he came on yesterday, especially considering that he has been no where near the squad for a month for some reason. Obviously the game situation probably played a part but thought he did well.
Will obviously come in if Konsa is injured, but otherwise, I wouldn’t be opposed to seeing a back three of Konsa-Engles-Mings going forward.
Also, I imagine this has probably been covered elsewhere, but why wasn’t it a penalty when he got punched in the head by their keeper?
The only reason I can come up with is that both the ref and VAR were both an absolute shambles.
I've not seen much of the rest of the game, but there was that one from their keeper, and to me he also didn't look that interested in the ball when Samatta scored either.
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As much as his errors irritated me and loads of others im hoping he doesnt get cricified on his personal insta account. This caroline flack tragic story shows the effects that can happen by social media bullying.
Hopefully he has learnt a harsh lesson not to be so clumsy moving forward. Just keep it simple in future 👍
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I always liked a safety first, no-nonsense approach in central defence. I can't figure out if yesterday's error, and errors in a similar ball-park by other defenders, are individual errors or a symptom of a system that expects the defenders to be playing the ball out.
I wish he had just put his foot through the bloody ball!
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Thought Engels had a decent game for the most part but that mistake was not good enough. Imagine what Shaun Teale or McGrath would have done with it.
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As much as his errors irritated me and loads of others im hoping he doesnt get cricified on his personal insta account. This caroline flack tragic story shows the effects that can happen by social media bullying.
Hopefully he has learnt a harsh lesson not to be so clumsy moving forward. Just keep it simple in future 👍
Blimey. Tune very much changed!
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Do you mean don't say things like this on forums and social media?
Bottle job loser engels. A belgain international guve me a break. That was conference level. He fucking let us down badly.
Get rid of him in the summer add him to the othee shit we signed like wesley trez and drinkwater
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I'm not sure how to do a quote from a different thread but 'should never play for us again' and 'absolute dick' were also especially supportive.
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Well spotted gentlemen.
The guy is obviously a knobhead
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I like Engels, it was an aberration yesterday borne out of fatigue.
But he is a decent player.
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He looked broken at the end of the match and would imagine he'd have been still up at 4am replaying the error in his mind. Will be dropped for next match if Mings is o.k.
I think that's enough without abusing him further. Guy showed at the start of the season he had good potential as defender at this level. Dipped since then but I still have more confidence with him alongside Mings than Konsa or Hause. We actually haven't seen Mings and Engels as a combination starting since early November I think.
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He looked broken at the end of the match and would imagine he'd have been still up at 4am replaying the error in his mind. Will be dropped for next match if Mings is o.k.
I think that's enough without abusing him further. Guy showed at the start of the season he had good potential as defender at this level. Dipped since then but I still have more confidence with him alongside Mings than Konsa or Hause. We actually haven't seen Mings and Engels as a combination starting since early November I think.
I play them 2 and Konsa in front of them as holding midfielder.
You could then play Luiz and Makamba then Jack SJM and Samatta up front.
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He should and probably will be dropped for Mings next game.
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He looked broken at the end of the match and would imagine he'd have been still up at 4am replaying the error in his mind. Will be dropped for next match if Mings is o.k.
I think that's enough without abusing him further. Guy showed at the start of the season he had good potential as defender at this level. Dipped since then but I still have more confidence with him alongside Mings than Konsa or Hause. We actually haven't seen Mings and Engels as a combination starting since early November I think.
I play them 2 and Konsa in front of them as holding midfielder.
You could then play Luiz and Makamba then Jack SJM and Samatta up front.
Don't see the fuss in Konsa. Hause getting a lot of stick atm. If he could actually learn to clear the ball quickly rather than messing about I'd have him as the third CB to give more strength in the air and overall balance.
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As much as his errors irritated me and loads of others im hoping he doesnt get cricified on his personal insta account. This caroline flack tragic story shows the effects that can happen by social media bullying.
Hopefully he has learnt a harsh lesson not to be so clumsy moving forward. Just keep it simple in future 👍
Quite stunned to read this today after the bile you posted about him yesterday ::)
The guy shoold enver paly for us again. He has relegated us with that mistake the absolute dick
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Mistake aside (and there's no-one out there who has never made 1 or many) Engels had a decent enough game, but was naive along with Konsa and Hause. I don't know if he's ever played at the centre of a back 3 before and obvs with so long out he's having to build match fitness up again.
The cover all the cbs were getting yesterday was non existent from Luiz, Drinkwater and Nakamba when he came on.
You could see how much scoring for Villa yesterday meant to him by his celebration in front of the Holte.
He will be a vital player for Villa in the remaining games either starting or off the bench.
Head up Bjorn! You'll get other moments to shine for Villa!
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I like Engels a lot he’s a decent footballer but prone to a mistake
he’s the least of my worries at the back the other two Hause and Konsa worry me far more
Engels and Mimgs are the best central defenders we have both should play when fit imo
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Do you mean don't say things like this on forums and social media?
Bottle job loser engels. A belgain international guve me a break. That was conference level. He fucking let us down badly.
Get rid of him in the summer add him to the othee shit we signed like wesley trez and drinkwater
I was angry but i dont go on their personal social media and start abusing them. Big difference but nice try.
As much as his errors irritated me and loads of others im hoping he doesnt get cricified on his personal insta account. This caroline flack tragic story shows the effects that can happen by social media bullying.
Hopefully he has learnt a harsh lesson not to be so clumsy moving forward. Just keep it simple in future 👍
Quite stunned to read this today after the bile you posted about him yesterday ::)
The guy shoold enver paly for us again. He has relegated us with that mistake the absolute dick
Your stunned to read that i am admitting i was wrong? Your telling me no one has ever been pissed off amd had time to reflect and realose its wrong.
Think its pretty sad that people have to dig up posts to prove a point
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Very few people ever post on here with such vitriol.
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Well spotted gentlemen.
The guy is obviously a knobhead
So you prove your point by insulting someone? Dont ever call me a knobhead again . Got it?
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I would still pick Engels over Hause once Mings comes back. Konsa on the right of the three. None of them are immune to errors.
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Very few people ever post on here with such vitriol.
Well spotted gentlemen.
The guy is obviously a knobhead
Yeah just like this guy
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Well spotted gentlemen.
The guy is obviously a knobhead
So you prove your point by insulting someone? Dont ever call me a knobhead again . Got it?
Leave the moderating to the moderators, and the threats somewhere else.
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Well spotted gentlemen.
The guy is obviously a knobhead
So you prove your point by insulting someone? Dont ever call me a knobhead again . Got it?
Leave the moderating to the moderators, and the threats somewhere else.
Where have i threatened anyone? And why have you not deleted that post? Its blatent name calling bullying on another poster?
Can you delete it. Thanks
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You can't really call a player a dick and then moan when someone calls you a knobhead in reply surely?
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Well spotted gentlemen.
The guy is obviously a knobhead
So you prove your point by insulting someone? Dont ever call me a knobhead again . Got it?
Stop acting like one then!
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Well spotted gentlemen.
The guy is obviously a knobhead
So you prove your point by insulting someone? Dont ever call me a knobhead again . Got it?
Stop acting like one then!
Okay everybody, let's hold it right there.
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You can't really call a player a dick and then moan when someone calls you a knobhead in reply surely?
Wow really so its ok for me to call you a clown then? Of course it isnt.
I find ut unbelievable people are supporting this kind of behaviour. Well spotted gentlemen.
The guy is obviously a knobhead
So you prove your point by insulting someone? Dont ever call me a knobhead again . Got it?
Stop acting like one then!
I can say the same for you. If you have nothing prodcutive to aay then just zip it you bully
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You can't really call a player a dick and then moan when someone calls you a knobhead in reply surely?
Wow really so its ok for me to call you a clown then? Of course it isnt.
I find ut unbelievable people are supporting this kind of behaviour. Well spotted gentlemen.
The guy is obviously a knobhead
So you prove your point by insulting someone? Dont ever call me a knobhead again . Got it?
Stop acting like one then!
I can say the same for you. If you have nothing prodcutive to aay then just zip it you bully
State of this
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To take this back to subject. Engels i hope you havent taken notice of comments made yesterday from people crucifying you. Myself included i was wrong . Your only human i was just really angry at the end and my emotions took other but thats no excuse. I shouldnr be venting jn the aay i did on a forum.
Anyway we all love villa lets just move on to Southampton. Im not interested in anymore insults just to discuss the club i love.
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Its impossible to blame everything on the mistake of one player, every player in the club is now under huge pressure, this is the classic, playing in a side under the threat of relegation, some blokes simply can't function with that pressure, hate playing football that way, my bet is we will see more and more errors like this in the coming weeks, all we can do is hope it won't be that costly, on this occasion it happened to a player that was our last man scenario before the goal, and breathing down his neck was a Juggernaut like Son, wouldn't want to be him ( Engles).
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Awful mistake aside, I thought Hause was a little sluggish getting back too. Don't think Mings would have let Son finish with relative ease using his right foot.
Engels was at fault for two goals yesterday but would still prefer him to Hause and Mings on the left of the three.
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Two goals he was at fault with. As good as his play was otherwise, that's a poor game.
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Two goals he was at fault with. As good as his play was otherwise, that's a poor game.
With goal after goal after goal that we concede, one can point at an individual on the pitch and say 'you fucked up there'. And it's not like we're talking about the finer points of the defensive arts, it's stuff like weak and misplaced passes and headers gifting back possession in critical areas, pathetic attempts at clearances, missed tackles, and dallying on the ball.
Every goal on Sunday was stoppable with just the tiniest individual betterment.
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Pre match was delighted he was back in the fold. That’s still my sentiment post match despite you know what.
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To be honest, Luiz's miss was every bit as bad as Engels' mistake.
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To be honest, Luiz's miss was every bit as bad as Engels' mistake.
It was a shocker, showed all of the control of a one legged man at an arse kicking contest.
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Two goals he was at fault with. As good as his play was otherwise, that's a poor game.
Indeed. I said elsewhere, it's like saying Lorus Karius played well for Liverpool in the CL final before last apart from the two goals he gifted to Madrid. One mistake you can accept, but he made two glaring errors that both led to goals.
Elphick would regularly have a generally decent game but drop a bollock to concede and he got pelters for it.
Not sure why Engels is defended so much, it's not the first time he's been at fault when we've conceded goals either - see Arsenal away, and wasn't it him looking like he was running through deep water trying to catch Vardy in the Leicester debacle? Compare and contrast to some people vilifying Drinkwater, with one person even trying to blame him for both first half goals.
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Two goals he was at fault with. As good as his play was otherwise, that's a poor game.
Indeed. I said elsewhere, it's like saying Lorus Karius played well for Liverpool in the CL final before last apart from the two goals he gifted to Madrid. One mistake you can accept, but he made two glaring errors that both led to goals.
Elphick would regularly have a generally decent game but drop a bollock to concede and he got pelters for it.
Not sure why Engels is defended so much, it's not the first time he's been at fault when we've conceded goals either - see Arsenal away, and wasn't it him looking like he was running through deep water trying to catch Vardy in the Leicester debacle? Compare and contrast to some people vilifying Drinkwater, with one person even trying to blame him for both first half goals.
He made Shane Long look like Ben Johnson as well.
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Yes Long that's the one I was thinking of, not Vardy. And I don't think Long is noted for being especially quick either.
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To be honest, Luiz's miss was every bit as bad as Engels' mistake.
I actually felt sorry for Luiz.
Great contact, keeper just throws himself and gets lucky.
If only he’d taken a leaf out of Peter Withe’s book and shinned it
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To be honest, Luiz's miss was every bit as bad as Engels' mistake.
I actually felt sorry for Luiz.
Great contact, keeper just throws himself and gets lucky.
If only he’d taken a leaf out of Peter Withe’s book and shinned it
Agreed - the defneder got across very smartly too.
I'd suggest that Luiz looked slightly complacent about it, but he was thwarted by the defensive effort.
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To be honest, Luiz's miss was every bit as bad as Engels' mistake.
I actually felt sorry for Luiz.
Great contact, keeper just throws himself and gets lucky.
If only he’d taken a leaf out of Peter Withe’s book and shinned it
Agreed - the defneder got across very smartly too.
I'd suggest that Luiz looked slightly complacent about it, but he was thwarted by the defensive effort.
It was a shame he couldn’t have done what he did against Watford and smacked it in the roof of the net.
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Our defence has been found wanting on a few occasions so far this season. Our goals conceded record is relegation form i'm afraid. Individual errors like.Engels for Spurs winner have blighted us all season long. When you watch Engels chasing a nippy striker you know it stands a good chance of ending badly. Somethings not right with his running style, a bit like Guilbert, it's as if he can't open up into a full stride. That lack of pace ultimately caused his mistimed tackle for the pen. Which brings me to mention Reinas save. Why wer'e the Spurs players onto the rebound like a flash while our players (with one exception, i think it was Engels) just stood and watched? I found that very odd. If they didn't get the hair dryer treatment for that at half time that then they damn well should have.
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To be honest, Luiz's miss was every bit as bad as Engels' mistake.
I actually felt sorry for Luiz.
Great contact, keeper just throws himself and gets lucky.
If only he’d taken a leaf out of Peter Withe’s book and shinned it
So doni. Keeper got lucky.i am more angry at trezuget for not putting luiz through and being greddy with that horrible attempt by him.
Rely dont rate trez. Think he is a pretty average player and makes so many poor decisons in games.
When i saw the way that dutch player spurs had used his pace to cause us problems compared to trez who is quick as him shows you the level of the players.
Trez is woeful and i would get rid of him in the summer.
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Not sure why Engels is defended so much, it's not the first time he's been at fault when we've conceded goals either - see Arsenal away, and wasn't it him looking like he was running through deep water trying to catch Vardy in the Leicester debacle? Compare and contrast to some people vilifying Drinkwater, with one person even trying to blame him for both first half goals.
Reasons might include him being our player, relatively young, in his first season in the league, and still on less money than the 1/2 salary we are paying Drinky.
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To be honest, Luiz's miss was every bit as bad as Engels' mistake.
I actually felt sorry for Luiz.
Great contact, keeper just throws himself and gets lucky.
If only he’d taken a leaf out of Peter Withe’s book and shinned it
Agreed - the defneder got across very smartly too.
I'd suggest that Luiz looked slightly complacent about it, but he was thwarted by the defensive effort.
It was a shame he couldn’t have done what he did against Watford and smacked it in the roof of the net.
He had plenty of time, he could have taken a touch, he smacked it at the Centre of the goal. Awful effort and a massive miss in the context of the game, Nil points.
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To be honest, Luiz's miss was every bit as bad as Engels' mistake.
I actually felt sorry for Luiz.
Great contact, keeper just throws himself and gets lucky.
If only he’d taken a leaf out of Peter Withe’s book and shinned it
It's not though is it? He should have scored if he'd composed himself better but he did hit the target. Engels had time to either control the ball differently, trap the ball correctly like he attempted or put his foot right through it and land it near the Spurs area with snow on it (my preferred choice).
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I'd put Trezeguets greed higher up the list of reasons to boil my piss than Luiz's miss, was never gonna get a shot on target, the tube.
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Luiz aimed for the wrong half of the goal.
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I'd put Trezeguets greed higher up the list of reasons to boil my piss than Luiz's miss, was never gonna get a shot on target, the tube.
Spot on i agree with that whole heartingly
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Trez was brutal for that, Luiz breaking into space on the right ahead of him. So selfish.
Luiz did miss a sitter, score that and we go onto win .
Small margins perhaps but we still never really seem in control in most games. The team is poorly organised tactically let's be honest, we get caught on the counter attack constantly.
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Not sure why Engels is defended so much, it's not the first time he's been at fault when we've conceded goals either - see Arsenal away, and wasn't it him looking like he was running through deep water trying to catch Vardy in the Leicester debacle? Compare and contrast to some people vilifying Drinkwater, with one person even trying to blame him for both first half goals.
Reasons might include him being our player, relatively young, in his first season in the league, and still on less money than the 1/2 salary we are paying Drinky.
Engels is 25 so let's not pretend he's a raw youth. They are all our players while they are in our shirts and on the pitch. Not sure why you would think being on loan would be a good reason for it being open season re criticism. Comparative wages are irrelevant even assuming you know how much each of them is getting from Villa. I have no idea and don't really care. None of the above excuses two glaring errors that threw the game away, compared to the vilification Drinkwater is getting.
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To be honest, Luiz's miss was every bit as bad as Engels' mistake.
I actually felt sorry for Luiz.
Great contact, keeper just throws himself and gets lucky.
If only he’d taken a leaf out of Peter Withe’s book and shinned it
So doni. Keeper got lucky.i am more angry at trezuget for not putting luiz through and being greddy with that horrible attempt by him.
Rely dont rate trez. Think he is a pretty average player and makes so many poor decisons in games.
When i saw the way that dutch player spurs had used his pace to cause us problems compared to trez who is quick as him shows you the level of the players.
Trez is woeful and i would get rid of him in the summer.
If there is one signing that does deserve incredulity it is Trezeguet. He's manage to, literally, scuff a couple of goals but otherwise I am baffled by what he's supposed to be or supposed to offer.
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Engels is 25 so let's not pretend he's a raw youth. They are all our players while they are in our shirts and on the pitch. Not sure why you would think being on loan would be a good reason for it being open season re criticism. Comparative wages are irrelevant even assuming you know how much each of them is getting from Villa. I have no idea and don't really care. None of the above excuses two glaring errors that threw the game away, compared to the vilification Drinkwater is getting.
I was just offering some potential reasons why Engels might come in for less criticism relative to Drinky. You obviously don’t think any of them are valid. That’s fine.
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If there is one signing that does deserve incredulity it is Trezeguet. He's manage to, literally, scuff a couple of goals but otherwise I am baffled by what he's supposed to be or supposed to offer.
Agreed. I remember watching him play for Egypt at the WC in Russia and thinking he looked very limited. I was hoping the relatively low transfer fee indicated that he was young and raw with room for improvement, but now I’m fairly sure that he is just very limited. His goal against Leicester was obviously memorable, but his decision making and technique are generally poor.
It may be that Suso et al were under no allusions about this, but when you are forced to buy virtually a whole squad in one window, there just is a limit to how much money can be spent.
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To be honest, Luiz's miss was every bit as bad as Engels' mistake.
I actually felt sorry for Luiz.
Great contact, keeper just throws himself and gets lucky.
If only he’d taken a leaf out of Peter Withe’s book and shinned it
So doni. Keeper got lucky.i am more angry at trezuget for not putting luiz through and being greddy with that horrible attempt by him.
Rely dont rate trez. Think he is a pretty average player and makes so many poor decisons in games.
When i saw the way that dutch player spurs had used his pace to cause us problems compared to trez who is quick as him shows you the level of the players.
Trez is woeful and i would get rid of him in the summer.
If there is one signing that does deserve incredulity it is Trezeguet. He's manage to, literally, scuff a couple of goals but otherwise I am baffled by what he's supposed to be or supposed to offer.
Yeah I don’t see it either. Fir a guy so quick he offers very very little. Doesn’t use his pace to trouble defenders much. He would be the first person I’d sell come summer. Isn’t suited for this league I am afraid.
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To be honest, Luiz's miss was every bit as bad as Engels' mistake.
I actually felt sorry for Luiz.
Great contact, keeper just throws himself and gets lucky.
If only he’d taken a leaf out of Peter Withe’s book and shinned it
So doni. Keeper got lucky.i am more angry at trezuget for not putting luiz through and being greddy with that horrible attempt by him.
Rely dont rate trez. Think he is a pretty average player and makes so many poor decisons in games.
When i saw the way that dutch player spurs had used his pace to cause us problems compared to trez who is quick as him shows you the level of the players.
Trez is woeful and i would get rid of him in the summer.
If there is one signing that does deserve incredulity it is Trezeguet. He's manage to, literally, scuff a couple of goals but otherwise I am baffled by what he's supposed to be or supposed to offer.
I wouldn't call his last minute winner in the semi final a scuff.
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To be honest, Luiz's miss was every bit as bad as Engels' mistake.
I actually felt sorry for Luiz.
Great contact, keeper just throws himself and gets lucky.
If only he’d taken a leaf out of Peter Withe’s book and shinned it
So doni. Keeper got lucky.i am more angry at trezuget for not putting luiz through and being greddy with that horrible attempt by him.
Rely dont rate trez. Think he is a pretty average player and makes so many poor decisons in games.
When i saw the way that dutch player spurs had used his pace to cause us problems compared to trez who is quick as him shows you the level of the players.
Trez is woeful and i would get rid of him in the summer.
If there is one signing that does deserve incredulity it is Trezeguet. He's manage to, literally, scuff a couple of goals but otherwise I am baffled by what he's supposed to be or supposed to offer.
I wouldn't call his last minute winner in the semi final a scuff.
I watched it back a few days ago, it was a much better goal than I thought at the time.
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To be honest, Luiz's miss was every bit as bad as Engels' mistake.
I actually felt sorry for Luiz.
Great contact, keeper just throws himself and gets lucky.
If only he’d taken a leaf out of Peter Withe’s book and shinned it
So doni. Keeper got lucky.i am more angry at trezuget for not putting luiz through and being greddy with that horrible attempt by him.
Rely dont rate trez. Think he is a pretty average player and makes so many poor decisons in games.
When i saw the way that dutch player spurs had used his pace to cause us problems compared to trez who is quick as him shows you the level of the players.
Trez is woeful and i would get rid of him in the summer.
If there is one signing that does deserve incredulity it is Trezeguet. He's manage to, literally, scuff a couple of goals but otherwise I am baffled by what he's supposed to be or supposed to offer.
I wouldn't call his last minute winner in the semi final a scuff.
I watched it back a few days ago, it was a much better goal than I thought at the time.
Same. The absolute pandemomium around me meant a proper view of the goal was impossible. But i went home and watched it about 6 times just to relive the moment!
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Back to Engels, I just don't think he has the pace to play in back three. Maybe in a deep defending back four where he has cover, but playing in a back three means he will have to cover quite a bit of space and he just doesn't look like he has the legs to do it. We looked in trouble anytime the ball went in behind him against Spurs.
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Back to Engels, I just don't think he has the pace to play in back three. Maybe in a deep defending back four where he has cover, but playing in a back three means he will have to cover quite a bit of space and he just doesn't look like he has the legs to do it. We looked in trouble anytime the ball went in behind him against Spurs.
I agree. Looked so much better in a 4 at the back with mings. Problem is konsa has done well so you cant drop him
Hause i think is pretty shit tbh. Think engels is a better a than hause overall. If engels had oace he would be a awesome cb
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Isn’t Engels actually very quick? I’m sure I’ve seen that stat. Or is that fake news?
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There was the stat on here that said he'd been recorded as one of the quickest players in the Premier League. That doesn't chime with what I watch on the pitch, as he gets outpaced time and time again.
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I wouldn't say quick but I also don't think he's as slow as some people are making him out to be. He's been burned by a couple of the quickest players in the league, just like most other centre halves.
On Hause, I don't really get why so many people have decided he's so shit, he needs to work on his distribution, that's fair, but defensively he's pretty solid, he wins most things in the air and he does a lot of work covering behind Targett if the latter gets caught up field (which is expected with how far forward he gets). I have no great complaints about any of our centre backs other than they need to get rid of the lapses in concentration which lead to errors.
Our poor defensive record has 3 main factors:
1- the midfield is far too open and we give too much space to good players in there.
2- we're a mess defending set-pieces, especially corners, we don't have players on the posts and we don't track runners well enough.
3- this is less of an issue since the formation change but we get too narrow at the far post and can be very vulnerable to the cross-field passes.
All 3 are, for me, organisational problems and need to be addressed by coaches, of all the complaints people have about Smith this is the one, for me, that is holding him back from being a very good manager.
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There was the stat on here that said he'd been recorded as one of the quickest players in the Premier League. That doesn't chime with what I watch on the pitch, as he gets outpaced time and time again.
Really ? Thats crazy. Konsa looks a lot quicker than him
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Club announced his sale to Royal Antwerp on AV site for this weekend with medical planned
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Off to Antwerp apparently!
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Good luck to him. Looked really very good in that first game at Spurs but dropped off sharply. Unfortunately best known for that mistake vs Spurs at the end of the game that cost us. Blighted by injuries since. Hope he makes a decent career of it back in Belgium
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Not surprised. Centre half incoming then.
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Really liked him. Shame it never worked out.
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Quiz question. Name the other three players who have been on the books of both Villa and Antwerp. One is current, one had six games on loan, and the other had a loan spell but didn't play.
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Richie de Laet.
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That's the current one.
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Gilles De Bilde?
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Club announced his sale to Royal Antwerp on AV site for this weekend with medical planned
I liked this lad but shame it didn’t work out. Broke my heart with that mis clearance against Spuds. I wish him a long successful career.
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Quite disappointed. I think engels is a decent cb. I think there must be something between him and smith
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I'm saying Luc Nilis just because
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Not De Bilde or Nilis
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I actually like him but it’s been obvious for ages that he has no future with us. Good Luck to the lad though, I hope he stays injury free and does well for himself.
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I really rated him. Sorry it never worked out.
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Yep this one is a bit of a shame, looked like a really good defender when he arrived but has been overtaken by Konsa and seemed to pick up a stream of injuries so probably best for everyone for him to move on.
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We'll need a replacement obviously. Another right-footed CB? Axel to return?
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Any fee involved?
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Good luck to him, I always liked him.
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We'll need a replacement obviously. Another right-footed CB? Axel to return?
AAAAAAAAAAAGH
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The writing's been on the wall for ages unfortunately. Hopefully he'll be Bjorn again at Antwerp.
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Shame it never worked out. Can’t really blame him, it’s going to take some budging getting past Konsa and Mings. Good luck to him.
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Club announced his sale to Royal Antwerp on AV site for this weekend with medical planned
I liked this lad but shame it didn’t work out. Broke my heart with that mis clearance against Spuds. I wish him a long successful career.
Same here, thought he was a bargain buy in our first few games in the Pl.
As Flin5tone might have said if he hadn't flounced off, it's Abba-abba-done!
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... Axel to return?
Why?
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Always liked Engels but i thought he lacked pace and was behind Hause as well as Konsa and Mings so probably best for all for him to move on
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Slow and not great in the air. Not surprising we are happy to let him go. Good luck though.
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Good luck to Bjorn.
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I really liked him, enjoyed his commitment to the cause, and his appreciated his intervention when our away fans were receiving some rough treatment from stewards and police during a game a couple of years ago. For that alone he could have gone down as a bit of a cult hero.
Ultimately his partnership with Mings at the start of the 19/20 season probably goes down as being similar to the Vlaar/ Senderos partnership from 14/15, which burnt bright but short. He clearly lacked pace, and the mistake against Spurs was difficult to overcome unfortunately.
Like others, I wish him a long and successful career.
It will be interesting to see how Smith decides to deal with defensive cover. Engels didn't get a look in last season, but if we are unlucky with injuries, the third and fourth choice centre-backs could see much more game time.
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My too memories, the Screw up against Spurs and the header that was close v Man City in the League cup final in the last live game I’ve seen.
Good luck at your new club
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Yes he really got bombed out after that mistake when Son scored.
Obviously Smith didn't rate him either.
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£2.5 million according to Fotmob, so better than nothing.
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Let's hope he will be Bjorn again at his next club.
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Quiz question. Name the other three players who have been on the books of both Villa and Antwerp. One is current, one had six games on loan, and the other had a loan spell but didn't play.
Tom Heaton was on loan from Utd when he was 20ish bit didn't play a single game. I played a reserve game against him and I was in the opposite goal. It's fair to say our careers went opposite ways.
The other one's Phil Bardsley who played a few games for them around that time.
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Good luck Björn 👍
Thanks, and UTV!
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Quiz question. Name the other three players who have been on the books of both Villa and Antwerp. One is current, one had six games on loan, and the other had a loan spell but didn't play.
Tom Heaton was on loan from Utd when he was 20ish bit didn't play a single game. I played a reserve game against him and I was in the opposite goal. It's fair to say our careers went opposite ways.
The other one's Phil Bardsley who played a few games for them around that time.
Now that’s a more informed response than we might have imagined - I never knew that about you Seb!
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One of the strangest Villa careers of recent times. Looked good until completely falling apart in that awful home defeat against Southampton. Came back in against Spurs and did OK before a howler right at the end. Came back in against Man City in the League Cup final and did well and was then never seen again.
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£2.5 million according to Fotmob, so better than nothing.
£4.5m loss then, peanuts for our owners
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Always liked Engels but i thought he lacked pace and was behind Hause as well as Konsa and Mings so probably best for all for him to move on
I remember reading a piece about the fastest players in the league and he featured based on a sprint he’d produced in a game, I can’t recall which one. Pretty difficult to reconcile with what we saw on the pitch and the memory of people like Shane Long whizzing past him at will.
Shame it didn’t work out as I thought he looked pretty solid overall. Guess we’ll soon find out why he fell out with Dean.
Edit. Found it. https://www.fourfourtwo.com/news/revealed-six-fastest-players-premier-league
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... Axel to return?
Why?
So we can have a different injured CB.
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I thought he looked pretty solid overall.
Really? We were conceding two goals almost every time he was on the pitch.
The last time he was seen we had just lost 10 consecutive matches. He departs the club with an awful 12 defeats and 32 goals conceded in 17 appearances.
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£2.5 million according to Fotmob, so better than nothing.
£4.5m loss then, peanuts for our owners
Only £1m on the books though.
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Yes he really got bombed out after that mistake when Son scored.
Obviously Smith didn't rate him either.
It was more what happened around that xmas, Southampton game where Shane Long had his annual game of the season v us and exposed him and Hause suddenly leapfrogged him in pecking order.
Bjorn actually started the cup final two weeks after the Spurs game so he wasn't completely exiled until lockdown.
Frustrating as I thought he showed great potential in first 10 games he played, looked to have air of Mellberg to him with his anticipation but then errors started to creep into his game. Pretty sure DS wanted to sign him for Brentford aswell when he was there.
Ultimately though he hasn't played for over a year now and with two years left on his deal we can't be waiting for years for players to get going again so makes sense to get something and try to find another Konsa type who can do well when given a chance.
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Liked him, seemed good at first, nearly gave us that moment at Wembley. But Southampton at home pre Xmas 2019 sticks in my mind, just got burned by Shane Long I think and looked like he was running in in mud, so slow. I don’t think he ever really recovered or had a decent run in the team after that.
Goodbye and good luck.
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He was just too slow on the turn. Given the risk in our play, even post lockdown when we learnt how to defend, we need mobile centre halves.
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Amazing somewhere else someone is arguing he goes down as one of our worst ever value signings!
Dosen't seem to realise 7m is chicken feed in prem terms nowadays. Spurs signed a CB for 42m three years ago who isn't very good and Everton have signed three CBs for 25m or over since 2017.
Hause, Engels and Konsa combined for what we signed them for just about adds up to 25m I think.
Seems an odd Burnley style mentality where some fans seem to think 7m is big money and will criticise the club if it dosen't work out and players gets sold on for a loss, it isn't in 2021. Fair enough to criticise if too many of our 20m + signings don't work out but 7-10m is just squad player value these days and if they turn out any better than that it's a bargain.
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And the same can be said about AEG or Trez. Between them for what we paid they’ve done more than a solid job in getting us up (AEG), keeping us up and getting us to where we are now. They have paid back their fee and wages many times over.
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Amazing somewhere else someone is arguing he goes down as one of our worst ever value signings!
Amazing because Stephen Ireland was valued at £8M when he joined and left for nothing after contributing little despite somehow winning a player of the season award.
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In our list of worst signing Engels wouldnt be in the top 50!
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In our list of worst signing Engels wouldnt be in the top 50!
I agree. Lets name them. Here's five to start.
Ireland...Curcic...Balaban...Djemba....Djemba...
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In our list of worst signing Engels wouldnt be in the top 50!
I agree. Lets name them. Here's five to start.
Ireland...Curcic...Balaban...Djemba....Djemba...
McCormack, Lansbury, N’Zogbia, Beye…
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Tshibola, Tonev, Kalinic, Hogan, Bree, Gestede, Lescott, Richards, Gollini, Sanchez, Luna, Shorey...
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Aspinall, stainrod, heath, mcavennie
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Collymore, Curcic, Holman, Helenius
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Callaghan
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Steve Foster
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Unsworth, Moreira, Kalinic, Crespo, Baston, Samatta...
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Oscar Arce, Ivo Stas, Freddie Mwula, Emment Kapengwe, Tony Luna.
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Cole, Senderos, Cissokho
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Cole, Senderos, Cissokho
Carlton and Joe Cole
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Cascarino.
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Pires.*
* In French, 'pires' means 'worse/worst'. Just saying.
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That’s a “great” list I am struggling to add to it but we must’ve have missed an obvious one?
I wouldn’t take too much notice about the original comment re Engels the poster talks a lot of shite to get attention.
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One of the strangest Villa careers of recent times. Looked good until completely falling apart in that awful home defeat against Southampton. Came back in against Spurs and did OK before a howler right at the end. Came back in against Man City in the League Cup final and did well and was then never seen again.
And nearly scored the equaliser.
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Heskey, Paul Mortimer, Penrice, Fashanu
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Kirally
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Steve Simms
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David Hunt
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Scott Hogan, Nigel Callaghan
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Michael Boulding. Simon Dawkins. Greyib under Gregory.
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Richards & Lescott
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are they a comedy duo?
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I'm not sure Engels qualifies as a bad signing either by money spent or by just being crap really. A decent punt on someone who could have made the grade based on his career up to that point,, didn't work out, manager obviously didn't fancy him at the end. If Smith ends his time at Villa with just the likes of Engels and Samatta in the negative column, he'll have done well I reckon.
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Agreed SB, I think Engels did enough in the early part of the season to just about say he played his part in us staying up.
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Bjorn is married to a Liverpool lass and I regularly used to chat with her cousin who lives in Formby - however since Bjorn vanished from the squad so has the guy I used to chat with - he did tell me previously that he was happy at the club - so exactly what happened I may never establish :(
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Agreed that Bjorn belongs nowhere near some of those charlatans.
…and I’d have Steve Sims over that c*** Lescott very single time. He was exactly the sort of no nonsense CB we needed to get out of the second division that season.
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Nothing wrong with Steve Sims. Limited but did enough. Engels shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence as Lescott or Richards. Good luck to the guy.
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I think the point is that he would not be in the 50 worst transfers because of 1 comment.
No disrespect to Engels.
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I'm not sure Engels qualifies as a bad signing either by money spent or by just being crap really. A decent punt on someone who could have made the grade based on his career up to that point,, didn't work out, manager obviously didn't fancy him at the end. If Smith ends his time at Villa with just the likes of Engels and Samatta in the negative column, he'll have done well I reckon.
And Jota
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Tom Cleverly, Zat Knight
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I liked Zat Knight, he got quite a bit of unwarranted stick, but did a good job when called upon.
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Well Knight gets more stick than he probably deserves because we bought him, a very average premiership defender to push a future England captain and serial winner further down the pecking order and eventually forcing his departure
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Still, enjoyed his equaliser against Arsenal late on.
Think he scored an own goal for Fulham against us, not long before we signed him too.
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Yeah, neither Zat Knight nor Tom Cleverley were anywhere near our worst signing.
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Good luck Bjorn.
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Shame it didn't work out for us. I never thought he was as bad as people make out and certainly in his first few games he looked like he may become a very decent signing. I'm also not sure he's quite as slow as some think - I suspect he was carryng an injury when he made some of his big errors. Ultimately he was stuffed by injury, Konsa coming through and possibly a falling out with the coaches.
No idea what his attitude was like but from the outside he looked like he kept is head down but just couldn't get a look in. Either way I wish him luck.
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You're right he's not particularly slow but too slow for the Prem and noticeably so . It was his only downside I could see.
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Zat Knight was a typical MON surplus to requirements squad player. Was he in the first or second bunch of defenders he bought two years on the bounce?
That said he did feature in every squad in the one season he was with us.
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Well Knight gets more stick than he probably deserves because we bought him, a very average premiership defender to push a future England captain and serial winner further down the pecking order and eventually forcing his departure
That's not really true though....Knight was bought as a backup player but played more due to likes of Laursen getting injured if I recall. As a backup player I don't think he was too bad. MON rated Curtis Davies higher than Cahill, that was the decision he got wrong.
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Well Knight gets more stick than he probably deserves because we bought him, a very average premiership defender to push a future England captain and serial winner further down the pecking order and eventually forcing his departure
That's not really true though....Knight was bought as a backup player but played more due to likes of Laursen getting injured if I recall. As a backup player I don't think he was too bad. MON rated Curtis Davies higher than Cahill, that was the decision he got wrong.
You could be right. My memory is a bit vague. I know he didn't really play much after Knight arrived. I think the overall lesson is MON preferred yer hoof masters as Collins and Dunnes' arrival later proved and a defender like Cahil who was comfortable on the ball as well as a good defender was rather superfluous in his opinion.
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Well Knight gets more stick than he probably deserves because we bought him, a very average premiership defender to push a future England captain and serial winner further down the pecking order and eventually forcing his departure
That's not really true though....Knight was bought as a backup player but played more due to likes of Laursen getting injured if I recall. As a backup player I don't think he was too bad. MON rated Curtis Davies higher than Cahill, that was the decision he got wrong.
I'm not surehow anything you've posted disproves anything SB said, he claimed he pushed Cahill further down the pecking order which led to him being sold, that's objectively true and doesn't require Knight to have been signed as a first team regular. This is exactly the same argument for why we need to be careful not to put too many barriers between the current youth players and the first team bench. We have a lot of players with massive potential who are improving quickly we shouldn't sign average squad filler to block their path.
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Well Knight gets more stick than he probably deserves because we bought him, a very average premiership defender to push a future England captain and serial winner further down the pecking order and eventually forcing his departure
That's not really true though....Knight was bought as a backup player but played more due to likes of Laursen getting injured if I recall. As a backup player I don't think he was too bad. MON rated Curtis Davies higher than Cahill, that was the decision he got wrong.
Knight was brought in as back up especially as Laursen had had a lot of injuries, that season he didn't so MON shifted Mellberg to the right. Yeah letting Cahill go was the big mistake for half the money and wages we paid Davies
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Bowery, Boulding, Bradley, Makoun....
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In a recent interview he gave to the Belgian press he said he and his wife were happy in Brum, his son was enrolled in primary school there and had settled well. A shame Dean never gave him a look-in after Lockdown but in fairness to Konsa and Mings, they have led by example since "Project Restart". I wonder will we bother get a replacement for Bjorn. They'll know that they are just back-up, possibly even behind Hause in the pecking order. Maybe one of our U23's could step-up if required?
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In a recent interview he gave to the Belgian press he said he and his wife were happy in Brum, his son was enrolled in primary school there and had settled well. A shame Dean never gave him a look-in after Lockdown but in fairness to Konsa and Mings, they have led by example since "Project Restart". I wonder will we bother get a replacement for Bjorn. They'll know that they are just back-up, possibly even behind Hause in the pecking order. Maybe one of our U23's could step-up if required?
I think part of the problem has been injuries. He was out from the restart until Christmas which was easily enough time for Mings and Konsa to form a top partnership and for Hause to establish himself as the 3rd choice. From there it's hard for a guy who hasn't played for the best part of a year to force his way in again. I doubt there was anything more to it than he'd dropped down the order whilst he was out and Smith was honest enough to tell him he was unlikely to play so he took the option to move on and went home to raise his family.
Cover is difficult, I'm not sure any of the kids are ready to play a run of games but as you say it's hard to know who we could sign.
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Well Knight gets more stick than he probably deserves because we bought him, a very average premiership defender to push a future England captain and serial winner further down the pecking order and eventually forcing his departure
That's not really true though....Knight was bought as a backup player but played more due to likes of Laursen getting injured if I recall. As a backup player I don't think he was too bad. MON rated Curtis Davies higher than Cahill, that was the decision he got wrong.
It was the season we moved Mellberg to RB basically to play Knight alongside Laursen (who played pretty much every game that year). Davies was in and out and then did his achilles at Arsenal.
Cahill barely figured and was off like a shot in the January and who can blame him, a decision that did serious long term damage considering all the money we spent on more CBs in next few seasons.
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On Pravda; he has officially left.
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Best of luck. Like the others who left they all improved our squad and team at the time of signing
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Well Knight gets more stick than he probably deserves because we bought him, a very average premiership defender to push a future England captain and serial winner further down the pecking order and eventually forcing his departure
That's not really true though....Knight was bought as a backup player but played more due to likes of Laursen getting injured if I recall. As a backup player I don't think he was too bad. MON rated Curtis Davies higher than Cahill, that was the decision he got wrong.
It was the season we moved Mellberg to RB basically to play Knight alongside Laursen (who played pretty much every game that year). Davies was in and out and then did his achilles at Arsenal.
Cahill barely figured and was off like a shot in the January and who can blame him, a decision that did serious long term damage considering all the money we spent on more CBs in next few seasons.
Probably comes down to the fact that MON was a funny buggar
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Did we really need laursen, mellberg, knight, davies, cahill… let alone the four or five full backs too.
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MO'N should have persuaded Cahill to be more patient and wait for his chance. If he was in full-on martinet mode when the discussion was held, he probably didn't do that and just made him available.
McLeish, no mug, wanted to take him to the Sty. Sid was pissed off about this and was delighted when GC subsequently went to Bolton instead.
Within weeks of this move, Curtis Davies ruptured his Achilles at Arsenal and was out for the season. That would have been Garry's chance!!
Since then we have heard that, had Houllier stayed on, one of his priorities would have been to bring back Cahill from Bolton.
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Players careers are determined over a few games - Unfortunately Bjorn made a few errors in a short space of time and lost confidence. At the time was a much more high profile player than Konza Good luck to you however Bjorn.