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Title: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 12, 2019, 11:46:39 AM
And another one.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 12, 2019, 11:48:19 AM
Confirmed?
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: Bren'd on July 12, 2019, 11:50:07 AM
I'm scared to blink incase I miss us signing someone else.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 12, 2019, 11:50:19 AM
Any one else getting worried about the lack of transfers and only buying safe British players.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: Ad@m on July 12, 2019, 11:58:52 AM
Wasn't he in Abba?!

I have no idea what's going on at the Villa this Summer - this is what other clubs do.  We normally fuck around, sitting on our hands all Summer and then panic in the 24 hours before the deadline!
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: bob rowe on July 12, 2019, 12:00:39 PM

The obligatory U tube video.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: Tuscans on July 12, 2019, 12:12:18 PM
Done according to Rob Dorrset at Sky.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: dubaivillain on July 12, 2019, 12:13:28 PM
There’ll be no regrets
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: chrisw1 on July 12, 2019, 12:20:55 PM
Pleased with this one.  I love a goal scoring defender.  Lots of centre backs to keep happy now though.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: KRS on July 12, 2019, 12:24:51 PM
Welcome aboard the Villa transfer express!

He seems to enjoy a sliding tackle from his YouTube highlights, so he’ll need to learn to stay on his feet more.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 12, 2019, 12:28:55 PM
Pleased with this one.  I love a goal scoring defender.  Lots of centre backs to keep happy now though.
I wonder if we will play 3 at the back.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: Tuscans on July 12, 2019, 12:31:34 PM
Pleased with this one.  I love a goal scoring defender.  Lots of centre backs to keep happy now though.
I wonder if we will play 3 at the back.
Can't see it happening with El Ghazi and possibly Trezeguet coming in.I think Chester might have limited games in him so a fit 4 was needed.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: Tuscans on July 12, 2019, 12:38:33 PM
£7 million fee for Engels ( BBC )
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 12, 2019, 12:56:26 PM
Fucking hell. This time last year the players were eating dog food and lighting candles to keep warm.

Welcome Bjorn. Tennis anyone?
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: garyshawsknee on July 12, 2019, 12:59:02 PM
Was it last summer that young French lad turned us down because of our style of football ( Steve Bruce )? 12 months is an age in football.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: LeeB on July 12, 2019, 01:02:09 PM
Hope he doesn't wear moulds, we don't want Bjorn slippy.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: Risso on July 12, 2019, 01:03:10 PM
So many pun possibilities!

Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: Drummond on July 12, 2019, 01:04:01 PM
So many pun possibilities!

Sorry, I just don't get it.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: Dave P on July 12, 2019, 01:05:10 PM
Hope he doesn't wear moulds, we don't want Bjorn slippy.

Is he good looking? I want Acute Engles
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: Tuscans on July 12, 2019, 01:06:27 PM
Flemish might be his first language but he probably speaks good Engel'ish ( I think what I did is brilliant, praise me ).
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 12, 2019, 01:09:03 PM
He’s a big fucker. Imagine him and Mings up against you. So this now means we have a CB grouping of Engels, Chester, Konsa, Mings and Hause. That is solid. No need to give Cahill a fortune. We can work Chester back in who ends up being a very good back up when fit again. Just need to work chemistry. I imagine all is left is a keeper.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: Villafirst on July 12, 2019, 01:11:35 PM
Still need another striker, Maupay?  and a goalkeeper.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 12, 2019, 01:12:41 PM
Overall yes. A winger, striker and keeper. Another midfielder won’t go amiss.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: Risso on July 12, 2019, 01:12:59 PM
He’s a big fucker. Imagine him and Mings up against you. So this now means we have a CB grouping of Engels, Chester, Konsa, Mings and Hause. That is solid. No need to give Cahill a fortune. We can work Chester back in who ends up being a very good back up when fit again. Just need to work chemistry. I imagine all is left is a keeper.

It's hard to see that there's even going to be a place in the squad for Chester.  For the sake of argument, if it's Mings and Konsa as our starting pair, then Engels is back up, with Hause cover at left back and centre back as required.  Going to take a big injury problem for him Chester to get anywhere near.  I think he'll be off this summer, assuming he's fit enough to pass a medical.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 12, 2019, 01:14:46 PM
That might be right Riss. But he’s back in training and my guess is he’ll be kept around for experience. You can tell the other players have massive respect for him when Jack went up to get the trophy so I don’t think we’ll sell him. If he even can be at this stage.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: Risso on July 12, 2019, 01:24:53 PM
That might be right Riss. But he’s back in training and my guess is he’ll be kept around for experience. You can tell the other players have massive respect for him when Jack went up to get the trophy so I don’t think we’ll sell him. If he even can be at this stage.

I don't think the new owners will be sentimental, and surely he'll want to play?  Fit, he's easily good enough for top 6 Championship.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: Mister E on July 12, 2019, 01:26:34 PM
He’s a big fucker. Imagine him and Mings up against you. So this now means we have a CB grouping of Engels, Chester, Konsa, Mings and Hause. That is solid. No need to give Cahill a fortune. We can work Chester back in who ends up being a very good back up when fit again. Just need to work chemistry. I imagine all is left is a keeper.
Konza possibly covering for Luiz in DMF, as well.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 12, 2019, 01:32:02 PM
Whichever Engel you look at this from it is good business.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: Dazvillain on July 12, 2019, 01:33:49 PM
He’s a big fucker. Imagine him and Mings up against you. So this now means we have a CB grouping of Engels, Chester, Konsa, Mings and Hause. That is solid. No need to give Cahill a fortune. We can work Chester back in who ends up being a very good back up when fit again. Just need to work chemistry. I imagine all is left is a keeper.
Konza possibly covering for Luiz in DMF, as well.

This geezer can play DM too according to an article I’ve just read, really comfortable on the ball....
TBR’s view – Engels a bargain for Villa at £9m
Engels broke through at Club Brugge and was considered one of the best centre-backs in European football at his age. It has not quite worked out like that, but he is still an excellent defender.

Strong in the air, comfortable with the ball and intelligent enough to play in holding midfield, Engels has enormous ability and plenty of years left ahead of him in professional football at 24.

So, for just £9million, Villa are landing a bargain in Engels.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: WarszaVillan82 on July 12, 2019, 01:36:55 PM
It would be good if he could play centre midfield and replace Whealan. But he'll have to settle in first and get used to the conditions of the English sideways pass.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 12, 2019, 01:40:28 PM
He’s a big fucker. Imagine him and Mings up against you. So this now means we have a CB grouping of Engels, Chester, Konsa, Mings and Hause. That is solid. No need to give Cahill a fortune. We can work Chester back in who ends up being a very good back up when fit again. Just need to work chemistry. I imagine all is left is a keeper.

It's hard to see that there's even going to be a place in the squad for Chester.  For the sake of argument, if it's Mings and Konsa as our starting pair, then Engels is back up, with Hause cover at left back and centre back as required.  Going to take a big injury problem for him Chester to get anywhere near.  I think he'll be off this summer, assuming he's fit enough to pass a medical.


If I'd not found your reply, I was going to post the same. I'd really not be too shocked if we don't ask for a fee, either. He's probably got one move left in him, and a club being able to pay him a bigger wage because they've not had to fork out for a transfer might mean he can go where he'd like rather than simply to whoever will have him.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 12, 2019, 01:42:53 PM
Welcome, Bjorn Engels. What a name, what a guy 😊
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 12, 2019, 01:47:49 PM
I would have thought it'll be Mings starting alongside either Chester or Engels, i reckon Konsa has come in as a longer term project despite the fee, and will be the long term replacement for Chester. It's probably a case of getting them while you can with the younger ones and allowing them a decent settling in period.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 12, 2019, 01:48:47 PM
It would be good if he could play centre midfield and replace Whealan. But he'll have to settle in first and get used to the conditions of the English sideways pass.

*applause*
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: Diablo on July 12, 2019, 01:52:39 PM
Welcome!
(https://i.ibb.co/rb8zcRF/140.jpg) (https://ibb.co/rb8zcRF)
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: CJ on July 12, 2019, 02:00:29 PM
Top marx to the owners for sorting it so quickly
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: hipkiss92 on July 12, 2019, 02:02:52 PM
Welcome, Fred.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: mallo on July 12, 2019, 02:18:35 PM
Looks good - likes to get stuck in as well. I was thinking Ferdinand / Vidic kind of pairing with Mings being the Ferdinand and hoping for this kind of signing. Great. Welgekomen!
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: Rigadon on July 12, 2019, 02:24:54 PM
Glad he didn't opt to go to somewhere like Spurs.  Must've been the thought of living in the capital.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: UK Redsox on July 12, 2019, 02:37:31 PM
Wasn't he in Abba?!


Finally time to sign Benni McCarthy
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: eamonn on July 12, 2019, 04:11:27 PM
He's a Walker brother!
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: ajmant on July 12, 2019, 04:20:26 PM
Wonder if the season ticket waiting list is getting bigger!
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on July 12, 2019, 05:40:35 PM
Wonder if the season ticket waiting list is getting bigger!
Might be stocking up on the sold out signs though!
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 12, 2019, 07:31:00 PM
Dean tried to sign him last summer for Brentford. Obviously knows all about him.

Welcome, Big Fella.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 12, 2019, 07:35:03 PM
Is this confirmed?
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 12, 2019, 07:41:06 PM
Wanna know what the mood is around the Villa recruitment team?! Dial 'ectic!

Calls will be charged according to need.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: Matt Collins on July 12, 2019, 08:58:57 PM
I guess he is the alternative to Webster and will be first choice alongside mings

Hause is understudy to mings

Konsa deputy to engels

Chester? Well who knows. But I doubt we buy 4 centre backs if Smith envisages him as a mainstay for the season
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: dave shelley on July 12, 2019, 09:22:34 PM
He seems quite good doesn't he?  We appear to be in dreamland.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 12, 2019, 09:34:16 PM
Didn't realise he played for Club Brugge, smart move to help Wesley settle in.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: Ad@m on July 12, 2019, 10:08:34 PM
Wasn't he in Abba?!


Finally time to sign Benni McCarthy

Bravo sir!
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on July 12, 2019, 10:26:56 PM
Wanna know what the mood is around the Villa recruitment team?! Dial 'ectic!

Calls will be charged according to need.

Who writes your material(ism) ?
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: mallo on July 12, 2019, 10:41:41 PM
So is he actually any good?  Super winky please see Luiz thread...
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: Seb_AVFC on July 12, 2019, 11:26:09 PM
He should have been included in Belgium's Euro 16 squad based on performances but didn't get selected. Signed for Olympiakos, lost his way a bit after the manager got sacked and joined Rennes last year in a surprise move. Apparently he had a very strong season there.

He's definitely not a Championship player, couldn't believe my eyes last year when Brentford were poised to sign him.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 13, 2019, 01:33:50 AM
Wanna know what the mood is around the Villa recruitment team?! Dial 'ectic!

Calls will be charged according to need.

Who writes your material(ism) ?

I dictate it to the proletariat.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: Richard E on July 13, 2019, 08:22:12 AM
A spectre is haunting the Premier League, the spectre of Aston Villa reborn. Footballers of all countries unite, you have nothing to lose but your matches against Aston Villa.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: Mister E on July 13, 2019, 08:48:02 AM
Will he be an imediate first-choice? Or will they give him a few weeks to get tuned in? - I'd have thought he will be subb for the first few games.

... I suppose we actually need to confirm the signing first!
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: jwarry on July 13, 2019, 10:10:53 AM
Will he be our Vincent Kompany?
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: Damo70 on July 13, 2019, 10:16:45 AM
Will he be our Vincent Kompany?

He sounds less like Vincent Kompany and more like an ABBA tribute act.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: not3bad on July 13, 2019, 11:40:36 AM
We've signed Engels?

Top Marx!
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: Clampy on July 13, 2019, 12:52:30 PM
His club's president has confirmed his departure apparently.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 13, 2019, 01:06:27 PM
Apparently both Dougy and Engels flew to the US. Engels should be announced today, Douglas by Monday or Tuesday
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: godzvilla on July 13, 2019, 02:10:06 PM
A lot is being made of the fact that Engels is a Central Defender, given that we appear to be a tad
overloaded in that position, currently . But it seems he has been used a lot as a central/ defensive, holding
 midfielder, which is where Dean intends to play him, my guess......Godzvilla!
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: Mister E on July 13, 2019, 02:14:11 PM
A lot is being made of the fact that Engels is a Central Defender, given that we appear to be a tad
overloaded in that position, currently . But it seems he has been used a lot as a central/ defensive, holding
 midfielder, which is where Dean intends to play him, my guess......Godzvilla!
The point is that he's got flexibility throughour the back 5-6, with Konza able to play DMF or CB, as well as Engels. Mings and Hause are also very mobile, ball-playing and flexible. And Guilbert can play CB too.
So, as long as we find the optimal mix and can adapt our game when necssary, we'll be in excellent shape.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 13, 2019, 02:16:44 PM
I don’t think we are overloaded. We have 5 and that’s only if you include Chester who is a big unknown. And then a a couple of those are versatile enough to play other positions. In what will be a very long and demanding PL season to have the cover we have is exactly what is needed. Two players for almost every position is what we need really.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: UK Redsox on July 13, 2019, 03:18:07 PM
Apparently both Dougy and Engels flew to the US. Engels should be announced today, Douglas by Monday or Tuesday

Eastie would have had their seat numbers ;)
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 13, 2019, 03:22:19 PM
Apparently both Dougy and Engels flew to the US. Engels should be announced today, Douglas by Monday or Tuesday

Eastie would have had their seat numbers ;)

Because he would have found a way to be a steward on the plane and by the end of the flight have found out from the their holiday plans and their girlfriends/wife’s favourite dish.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: Ads on July 13, 2019, 06:15:36 PM
He's married to a Scouser. I share his pain.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: brontebilly on July 13, 2019, 06:23:14 PM
Is he likely to be first choice next to Mings?
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: Richard E on July 13, 2019, 06:25:33 PM
We've signed Engels?

Top Marx!

And given his age he should have surplus value in the transfer market.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 13, 2019, 06:27:20 PM
He’ll be in contention. Based on very little info Konsa is smaller and looks the more cultured player, Engels a giant and little more rugged. It’s great to have some choice.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: BC54 VFC on July 13, 2019, 06:52:33 PM
I would have thought it'll be Mings starting alongside either Chester or Engels, i reckon Konsa has come in as a longer term project despite the fee, and will be the long term replacement for Chester. It's probably a case of getting them while you can with the younger ones and allowing them a decent settling in period.
Chester had better not start. He was principally responsible (Nyland blamed very unfairly) for our 4-1 defeat at Sheffield United on 1st September. How would he cope against the likes of Spurs? We should get rid whilst we can still get a few pennies for him.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 13, 2019, 06:53:36 PM
He was playing with a serious injury. He should never have been out there bailing Bruce out.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: exigo on July 13, 2019, 06:59:55 PM

(https://i.ibb.co/GHR9zpT/66279521-130564458157770-8170747252789215232-n.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GHR9zpT)
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: frank black on July 13, 2019, 07:07:18 PM

(https://i.ibb.co/GHR9zpT/66279521-130564458157770-8170747252789215232-n.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GHR9zpT)


Very good
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: brian green on July 13, 2019, 07:18:20 PM
Go on Deano I dare you.  Buy a back three of Engels, Marx and Proust.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: darren woolley on July 13, 2019, 07:25:31 PM
It will certainly add competition to our back line which can only be good for us.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 13, 2019, 09:49:15 PM
I would have thought it'll be Mings starting alongside either Chester or Engels, i reckon Konsa has come in as a longer term project despite the fee, and will be the long term replacement for Chester. It's probably a case of getting them while you can with the younger ones and allowing them a decent settling in period.
Chester had better not start. He was principally responsible (Nyland blamed very unfairly) for our 4-1 defeat at Sheffield United on 1st September. How would he cope against the likes of Spurs? We should get rid whilst we can still get a few pennies for him.

He was also in our top 2/3 best players in the previous 2 seasons and was injured and out of position for most of last season. He may start or he may not but that's a ridiculous and very unfair comment. Paul McGrath played in a few matches where we shipped 4 or 5, maybe we should remember him for those games as well.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 13, 2019, 10:14:53 PM
I would have thought it'll be Mings starting alongside either Chester or Engels, i reckon Konsa has come in as a longer term project despite the fee, and will be the long term replacement for Chester. It's probably a case of getting them while you can with the younger ones and allowing them a decent settling in period.
Chester had better not start. He was principally responsible (Nyland blamed very unfairly) for our 4-1 defeat at Sheffield United on 1st September. How would he cope against the likes of Spurs? We should get rid whilst we can still get a few pennies for him.

He was also in our top 2/3 best players in the previous 2 seasons and was injured and out of position for most of last season. He may start or he may not but that's a ridiculous and very unfair comment. Paul McGrath played in a few matches where we shipped 4 or 5, maybe we should remember him for those games as well.
Well said.
Played with an injury which may have shortened his career, we should be very respectful and grateful for Chester’s contribution.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: dave shelley on July 14, 2019, 01:05:45 AM
I would have thought it'll be Mings starting alongside either Chester or Engels, i reckon Konsa has come in as a longer term project despite the fee, and will be the long term replacement for Chester. It's probably a case of getting them while you can with the younger ones and allowing them a decent settling in period.
Chester had better not start. He was principally responsible (Nyland blamed very unfairly) for our 4-1 defeat at Sheffield United on 1st September. How would he cope against the likes of Spurs? We should get rid whilst we can still get a few pennies for him.

He was also in our top 2/3 best players in the previous 2 seasons and was injured and out of position for most of last season. He may start or he may not but that's a ridiculous and very unfair comment. Paul McGrath played in a few matches where we shipped 4 or 5, maybe we should remember him for those games as well.
Well said.
Played with an injury which may have shortened his career, we should be very respectful and grateful for Chester’s contribution.

Without doubt.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: Axl Rose on July 14, 2019, 02:25:28 AM
I would have thought it'll be Mings starting alongside either Chester or Engels, i reckon Konsa has come in as a longer term project despite the fee, and will be the long term replacement for Chester. It's probably a case of getting them while you can with the younger ones and allowing them a decent settling in period.
Chester had better not start. He was principally responsible (Nyland blamed very unfairly) for our 4-1 defeat at Sheffield United on 1st September. How would he cope against the likes of Spurs? We should get rid whilst we can still get a few pennies for him.

He was also in our top 2/3 best players in the previous 2 seasons and was injured and out of position for most of last season. He may start or he may not but that's a ridiculous and very unfair comment. Paul McGrath played in a few matches where we shipped 4 or 5, maybe we should remember him for those games as well.
Well said.
Played with an injury which may have shortened his career, we should be very respectful and grateful for Chester’s contribution.

Without doubt.

And I think the reason for that 4-1 defeat in Sheffield was down to the fact that their players had rolled their sleeves up further than ours had, and had less dust on them.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: adrenachrome on July 14, 2019, 03:30:58 AM
He's married to a Scouser. I share his pain.

I was married to a Cherokee from Nebraska. Y'all don't know about diddly squat about pain.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: ozzjim on July 14, 2019, 07:37:03 AM
I am convinced we will go 3-4-3 a fair bit next season.

This lad looks a good player, and seems to be able to play the diagonal ball that Mings is so skilled at from the other side. There is clearly a move to make sure our back 4 can all pick a long pass and are comfortable on the ball, which means our wide options need to be significantly strengthened before the start of the season.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: Hillbilly on July 14, 2019, 09:20:52 AM
He's a Walker brother!
Great Scott!
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: old man villa fan on July 14, 2019, 10:26:46 AM
I would like to think with Chester that we keep him so that he can get the medical/physio. treatment to get up to match fitness and then see where it goes from there. It's the least we owe him and shows loyalty.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: Rigadon on July 14, 2019, 11:59:44 AM
I would like to think with Chester that we keep him so that he can get the medical/physio. treatment to get up to match fitness and then see where it goes from there. It's the least we owe him and shows loyalty.

Me too.  Played through a bad injury, making it worse in the process.  We owe him the chance to get back playing at least. 
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: Dazvillain on July 14, 2019, 01:23:19 PM
Been offline for 3 or 4 days... is this still not confirmed yet ?
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: eamonn on July 14, 2019, 02:00:19 PM
He's a Walker brother!
Great Scott!

Oh yes! The old man's back again.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: KRS on July 15, 2019, 08:32:53 AM
Apparently Engels and Wes played together at Club Brugge:

https://amp.hitc.com/en-gb/2019/07/14/reported-aston-villa-target-bjorn-engels-previously-played-along/
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: darren woolley on July 15, 2019, 09:35:52 AM
I would like to think with Chester that we keep him so that he can get the medical/physio. treatment to get up to match fitness and then see where it goes from there. It's the least we owe him and shows loyalty.

I agree we should keep James Chester.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 15, 2019, 11:35:15 AM
Sounds like Douglas is there but is Bjorn in the USA...?
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 15, 2019, 11:40:01 AM
Sounds like Douglas is there but is Bjorn in the USA...?

Brilliant!
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: Border villan on July 15, 2019, 12:26:23 PM
Sounds like Douglas is there but is Bjorn in the USA...?
How much are we paying or is he Bjørn free.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 15, 2019, 12:30:51 PM
I'd have expected him to be stretching the shirt by now. Is it time to issue his agent a Bjørn ultimatum?
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: Mister E on July 15, 2019, 01:17:30 PM
The delay in signing is down to the club just sorting out some acceptable accommodation for him in Bjornville.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: West Derby Villan on July 15, 2019, 01:31:48 PM
I would like to think with Chester that we keep him so that he can get the medical/physio. treatment to get up to match fitness and then see where it goes from there. It's the least we owe him and shows loyalty.

I agree we should keep James Chester.

Of course we should keep Chester
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: mr underhill on July 15, 2019, 01:46:49 PM
doesn't Bjorn translate to Bear in his case?
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: olaftab on July 15, 2019, 01:59:42 PM
Why are we talking about Bjorn again?
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: Pat McMahon on July 15, 2019, 02:11:30 PM
Why are we talking about Bjorn again?

Agreed - so boring. Byawn.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: Risso on July 15, 2019, 02:16:45 PM
I'd have expected him to be stretching the shirt by now. Is it time to issue his agent a Bjørn ultimatum?

Very good.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: eddiemunster on July 15, 2019, 02:24:13 PM
Hope he follows the quote from Friedrich Engels, whenever he plays;

An ounce of action is worth a ton of theory.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: Edvard Remberg on July 15, 2019, 03:25:07 PM
How are you guys pronouncing Bjørn??
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: UK Redsox on July 15, 2019, 03:41:47 PM
How are you guys pronouncing Bjørn??

Incorrectly, I suspect :)
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: Border villan on July 15, 2019, 03:50:17 PM
How are you guys pronouncing Bjørn??

Incorrectly, I suspect :)
Porn, horn, corn, born, worn, morn(ing).
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: Edvard Remberg on July 15, 2019, 04:46:13 PM
How are you guys pronouncing Bjørn??

Incorrectly, I suspect :)
Porn, horn, corn, born, worn, morn(ing).
This slightly explains above puns - though "j" is audible "bje" type of way.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: Risso on July 15, 2019, 04:49:32 PM
How are you guys pronouncing Bjørn??

Incorrectly, I suspect :)
Porn, horn, corn, born, worn, morn(ing).
This slightly explains above puns - though "j" is audible "bje" type of way.

We pronounce it sort of like this - beyorn.  I'm sure BE could come up with a better explanation.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: Border villan on July 15, 2019, 04:55:03 PM
How are you guys pronouncing Bjørn??

Incorrectly, I suspect :)
Porn, horn, corn, born, worn, morn(ing).
This slightly explains above puns - though "j" is audible "bje" type of way.
Every day is a school day.
🤓
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: Blagg on July 15, 2019, 06:05:30 PM
I'd have thought it was in the Scandinavian style, so something like Byearn, but only one syllable's worth
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: cheltenhamlion on July 15, 2019, 07:42:59 PM
How are you guys pronouncing Bjørn??

Incorrectly, I suspect :)
Porn, horn, corn, born, worn, morn(ing).
This slightly explains above puns - though "j" is audible "bje" type of way.

We pronounce it sort of like this - beyorn.  I'm sure BE could come up with a better explanation.

Like "Beyonce".
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: Bren'd on July 16, 2019, 08:56:45 AM
Those of a certain age on here grew up with Bjorn’s at the forefront of celebrity. The first real tennis superstar being the main one. The other was the ugly one out of ABBA. So we are fairly adept with the correct pronunciation of Bjorn (B’yorn).
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 16, 2019, 09:03:58 AM
Those of a certain age on here grew up with Bjorn’s at the forefront of celebrity. The first real tennis superstar being the main one. The other was the ugly one out of ABBA. So we are fairly adept with the correct pronunciation of Bjorn (B’yorn).

That's certainly how I've been pronouncing it!
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: Villafirst on July 16, 2019, 09:49:11 AM
Let's get back on track! Engels to sign today by the look of it.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: ktvillan on July 16, 2019, 12:33:53 PM
I have it on good authority that Engels is in the US and laying low in a little house on a prairie.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: old man villa fan on July 16, 2019, 12:52:03 PM
I have it on good authority that Engels is in the US and laying low in a little house on a prairie.

Close but not close enough!
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: jwarry on July 16, 2019, 08:01:11 PM
Confirmed at last
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels
Post by: DaveK on July 16, 2019, 08:02:09 PM
Change the thread title!

https://www.avfc.co.uk/News/2019/07/16/bjorn-engels-signs-for-aston-villa?fbclid=IwAR2klQmL2de__9fFBMlGxkBYcnyu6czpRx8que6FC9mKtSYDoqcCyqX_0zU
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Lescottstweets on July 16, 2019, 08:03:33 PM
Welcome on board Bjorn
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 16, 2019, 08:03:58 PM
😊 Welcome.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: dave shelley on July 16, 2019, 08:07:52 PM
Welcome Bjorn to the greatest football club you will ever know.  The best of luck.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Clampy on July 16, 2019, 08:15:25 PM
Welcome Bjorn.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Newby on July 16, 2019, 08:39:11 PM
Hope he's brilliant. Welcome. Now for Douglas.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: DeeBoy1 on July 16, 2019, 08:45:01 PM
And through it all he offers me protection
A lot of blocks and deflections
Whether I’m right or wrong
And down the Villa Park wherever it may take me
I know that life won’t break me when I come to call
He won’t forsake me
I’m loving Engels instead

[Source: Kish ‘All Things Villa’ WhatsApp Group]
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 16, 2019, 08:47:19 PM
From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs. I have a feeling that Henri Lansbury is going to start to receive a free TV License by September.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 16, 2019, 08:51:14 PM
Welcome Bjorn.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Villafirst on July 16, 2019, 09:20:36 PM
Welcome big man! 6'4" Bjorn alongside 6'5" Tyrone!
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Pete3206 on July 16, 2019, 09:38:36 PM
Just watched his interview, love him already.

But I fear for him on his initiation song.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: richtheholtender on July 16, 2019, 10:00:52 PM
We’re going to be absolute beasts from set pieces next season.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: KRS on July 16, 2019, 10:04:24 PM
Just watched his interview, love him already.
Got a link to his interview please? Can’t see it on Pravda.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: andyh on July 16, 2019, 10:07:28 PM
https://youtu.be/bFudZAbkwkc
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Drummond on July 16, 2019, 10:09:49 PM
Was Bjorn Free?
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 16, 2019, 10:14:35 PM
Was Bjorn Free?
Again?
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 16, 2019, 10:34:00 PM
Who is the guy with him on about the 5th photo in on the gallery on official site. I thought it might bexWesley but not too sure as the guy has a small goatee
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Pete3206 on July 16, 2019, 10:35:42 PM
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Villan For Life on July 16, 2019, 10:56:59 PM
Welcome to the Villa Bjorn
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: TonyD on July 16, 2019, 11:21:30 PM
I have a feeling he is going to be very good. 
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Dave on July 16, 2019, 11:29:09 PM
Even though he's not Scandinavian, we're always better with a Scandinavian sounding centre back.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: purpletrousers on July 16, 2019, 11:33:24 PM

(https://i.ibb.co/GHR9zpT/66279521-130564458157770-8170747252789215232-n.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GHR9zpT)


And through it all he offers me protection
A lot of blocks and deflections
Whether I’m right or wrong
And down the Villa Park wherever it may take me
I know that life won’t break me when I come to call
He won’t forsake me
I’m loving Engels instead

[Source: Kish ‘All Things Villa’ WhatsApp Group]


Any other versions offered?
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: TonyD on July 16, 2019, 11:33:37 PM
Not sure what to make of that video about his medical tests.  Bit OTT intrusive or reassuring the club are pulling out all the stops to get him signed off fit even on tour in the US.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Baldy on July 17, 2019, 07:22:01 AM
Welcome Bjorn.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: frank black on July 17, 2019, 07:33:20 AM
Looks quite slightly built for a central defender. Needs to eat his shredded wheat
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: chrisw1 on July 17, 2019, 09:13:20 AM
Do we MRI all players at medicals, or were they looking at a specific injury?  Was it the hips they were looking at?
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: eamonn on July 17, 2019, 09:16:34 AM
He's too skinny, where's the muscles?!
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 17, 2019, 09:35:35 AM
He had a knee injury in 2014/15 that had him out of action for over a year. So I would think they were checking on that.

If he's passed the medical then I can only assume it's not of huge concern. All the same, we do seem to have a predilection for signing talented centre-halves with knee trouble...............
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Drummond on July 17, 2019, 11:54:38 AM
Probably repeating another post but just caught this on Twitter...

I'M LOVING ENGELS INSTEAD

OHHH HE OFFERS US PROTECTION

A LOT OF BLOCKS AND DEFLECTIONS

Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: AV82EC on July 17, 2019, 12:01:41 PM
Whilst the Lyrics are quite funny is anyone really going to start singing Robbie Williams at a football match? Really?
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Border villan on July 17, 2019, 12:08:19 PM
Steppenwolf “Bjorn to be wild”.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Drummond on July 17, 2019, 12:09:06 PM
Whilst the Lyrics are quite funny is anyone really going to start singing Robbie Williams at a football match? Really?

They've sung Boney M and Culture Club based songs recently. Oasis too. So why wouldn't they?
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Risso on July 17, 2019, 12:10:40 PM
Whilst the Lyrics are quite funny is anyone really going to start singing Robbie Williams at a football match? Really?

Almost certainly.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Bad English on July 17, 2019, 12:13:00 PM
Whilst the Lyrics are quite funny is anyone really going to start singing Robbie Williams at a football match? Really?
I came on to inform you that, for what it's worth, I will not be joining in with any chanting based on Robbie Williams songs.

What next? 'Mauled by the lions!' with 'hilarious' clawing choreography?
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: UK Redsox on July 17, 2019, 12:26:37 PM
Whilst the Lyrics are quite funny is anyone really going to start singing Robbie Williams at a football match? Really?

Almost certainly.

I'm sure that there's a song that contains the lyric "Marx and Engels". I've been racking my brain all day and can't remember it.

Google hasn't helped either. That just produces a Belle and Sebastian song, and it's not that one.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 17, 2019, 12:31:19 PM
Probably repeating another post but just caught this on Twitter...

I'M LOVING ENGELS INSTEAD

OHHH HE OFFERS US PROTECTION

A LOT OF BLOCKS AND DEFLECTIONS

Just... No.

Robbie Williams is up there with Bono in the shiteness stakes.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: UK Redsox on July 17, 2019, 12:32:23 PM
I'm also hoping that playing that Oasis dirge after a win will be dropped this season
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Bad English on July 17, 2019, 12:32:54 PM
I don't want deflections, I want the ball obtained and taken out to the midfield with calm assurance.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Chris Smith on July 17, 2019, 12:49:08 PM
Whilst the Lyrics are quite funny is anyone really going to start singing Robbie Williams at a football match? Really?

Almost certainly.

I'm sure that there's a song that contains the lyric "Marx and Engels". I've been racking my brain all day and can't remember it.

Google hasn't helped either. That just produces a Belle and Sebastian song, and it's not that one.

Karlo Marx and Fredrich Engels
Came to the checkout at the 7-11
Marx was skint - but he had sense
Engels lent him the necessary pence

The Clash, The Magnificent Seven.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: rooboy316 on July 17, 2019, 12:52:58 PM
I don't want deflections, I want the ball obtained and taken out to the midfield with calm assurance.

That works too:

The ball obtained
Taken out to the midfield
A lot of calm assurance
I'm loving Engels instead.

Sorry.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Bad English on July 17, 2019, 02:13:13 PM
You have entertained me, no worries.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Dave on July 17, 2019, 02:27:19 PM
Whilst the Lyrics are quite funny is anyone really going to start singing Robbie Williams at a football match? Really?

Liverpool (and other) fans have turned a Rodgers & Hammerstein song into probably the best known terrace song, so I wouldn't say it's impossible.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Smirker on July 17, 2019, 02:44:41 PM
I'm also hoping that playing that Oasis dirge after a win will be dropped this season

🙏🙏🙏
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Bren'd on July 17, 2019, 03:02:07 PM
Bjorn Engels to the tune of Mr BoJangles...

I knew a man
Mr Bojrn Engles

He could jump so high
Jump so high
And then he'd lightly touch down

Mr Bojrn Engles...
Mr Bjorn Engles
Mr Bjorn Engles
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Dave on July 17, 2019, 03:33:23 PM
Bjorn Engels to the tune of Mr BoJangles...

I knew a man
Mr Bojrn Engles

He could jump so high
Jump so high
And then he'd lightly touch down

Mr Bojrn Engles...
Mr Bjorn Engles
Mr Bjorn Engles

Now that is good.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: KevinGage on July 17, 2019, 03:35:29 PM
Whilst the Lyrics are quite funny is anyone really going to start singing Robbie Williams at a football match? Really?

Almost certainly.

Modern football is rubbish.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Ad@m on July 18, 2019, 12:29:30 PM
I'm also hoping that playing that Oasis dirge after a win will be dropped this season

Here, here (and not because we're not winning any games)!
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 18, 2019, 12:31:18 PM
Whilst the Lyrics are quite funny is anyone really going to start singing Robbie Williams at a football match? Really?

Almost certainly.

That's even worse than the drum some dickhead started bringing in a few years ago. Should be an instant ban from the stadium for life for anyone that does that.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 18, 2019, 12:32:45 PM
I'm also hoping that playing that Oasis dirge after a win will be dropped this season

Here, here (and not because we're not winning any games)!

I've always disliked it, but it has grown on me on the basis that I can get to the pub, get served and get a seat while others are still busy having a singalong.

So, fuck it. It can stay. And it'll be funny next time we beat Man City or Man U. Obviously the latter will never happen but it would be nice if it did.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 18, 2019, 12:36:21 PM
I like Oasis and the song but I’d rather we changed it to Sweet Caroline after we win
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: garyshawsknee on July 18, 2019, 12:47:08 PM
I'm also hoping that playing that Oasis dirge after a win will be dropped this season

🙏🙏🙏

It's gotta be something with a Birmingham link. May be The Beat, Jackpot after a win, Rough rider on the rare occasions we lose.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: West Derby Villan on July 18, 2019, 02:14:07 PM
I like Oasis and the song but I’d rather we changed it to Sweet Caroline after we win

Yeah agree update to Sweet Caroline now required
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: not3bad on July 18, 2019, 02:15:17 PM
Whilst the Lyrics are quite funny is anyone really going to start singing Robbie Williams at a football match? Really?

Almost certainly.

Modern football is rubbish.

Engels kicks the ball up the pitch again
We'll score 3 goals before tomorrow singing
La la la la la....
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Risso on July 18, 2019, 02:19:37 PM
I like Oasis and the song but I’d rather we changed it to Sweet Caroline after we win

Me too.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: chrisw1 on July 18, 2019, 03:02:22 PM
I prefer Oasis.  I think it's a great song and a good majority of the fans still get involved.  I appreciate I'm in a minority on this forum and wouldn't be overly upset if it was changed.

I personally don't feel any great need for a Midlands connection to bands that are played at VP.  I can't ever imagine fans singing along to Black Sabbath and a lot of our yonger fans probably won't have even heard a song from almot 50 years ago.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: garyshawsknee on July 18, 2019, 03:07:39 PM
Most bands don't really have a connection to a club, but one of the rare ones that do is Oasis and City do play their songs post match. Just seems a bit cringeworthy to me.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: cheltenhamlion on July 19, 2019, 05:39:26 PM
Even though he's not Scandinavian, we're always better with a Scandinavian sounding centre back.

Ha, ha. I said exactly the same when we signed him.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: themossman on July 19, 2019, 05:44:38 PM
He definitely looks like a good centre half on a purely visual basis. I don’t mind that he’s skinny, Laursen was a streak of piss but still hard as nails.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Smirker on July 19, 2019, 06:01:06 PM
Oasis are an awful band imo. Sabbath are music legends and Geezer is a big Villa fan. Heavy Metal is to Birmingham what Hip Hop is to New York or Reggae to Jamaica and we should celebrate it.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: LeeB on July 19, 2019, 06:02:43 PM
Oasis are an awful band imo. Sabbath are music legends and Geezer is a big Villa fan. Heavy Metal is to Birmingham what Hip Hop is to New York or Reggae to Jamaica and we should celebrate it.

The problem is it sounds shit.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Smirker on July 19, 2019, 06:50:34 PM
Oasis are an awful band imo. Sabbath are music legends and Geezer is a big Villa fan. Heavy Metal is to Birmingham what Hip Hop is to New York or Reggae to Jamaica and we should celebrate it.

The problem is it sounds shit.

Whenever I hear someone say that about Metal they often haven't heard any Metal at all but regardless of that it sounds very good at the big sporting events in the USA so it can definitely work.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: cheltenhamlion on July 19, 2019, 06:53:49 PM
It is no Chas and Dave though.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Border villan on July 19, 2019, 07:22:45 PM
Oasis are an awful band imo. Sabbath are music legends and Geezer is a big Villa fan. Heavy Metal is to Birmingham what Hip Hop is to New York or Reggae to Jamaica and we should celebrate it.

The problem is it sounds shit.

Whenever I hear someone say that about Metal they often haven't heard any Metal at all but regardless of that it sounds very good at the big sporting events in the USA so it can definitely work.
Are these big sporting events when Americans play each other in the “World Series”.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 19, 2019, 07:32:57 PM
Oasis are an awful band imo. Sabbath are music legends and Geezer is a big Villa fan. Heavy Metal is to Birmingham what Hip Hop is to New York or Reggae to Jamaica and we should celebrate it.

The problem is it sounds shit.

Whenever I hear someone say that about Metal they often haven't heard any Metal at all but regardless of that it sounds very good at the big sporting events in the USA so it can definitely work.

They played Iron Man between rounds at the Joshua fight in New York. Even though I’m not really fan, I was chuffed. Thing is though, they played Wonderwall between another two rounds and everybody sang along.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Smirker on July 19, 2019, 07:39:10 PM
It was a Joshua fight tbf, would have been full of Brits in the 20-40 age group which is exactly the demographic who listen to Oasis.

Also I wouldn't say Iron Man was the sort of song to sing along to. If they'd have played Crazy Train I bet they'd have sang along to that.

🤘
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: usav on July 19, 2019, 08:00:12 PM
Oasis are an awful band imo. Sabbath are music legends and Geezer is a big Villa fan. Heavy Metal is to Birmingham what Hip Hop is to New York or Reggae to Jamaica and we should celebrate it.

The problem is it sounds shit.

Whenever I hear someone say that about Metal they often haven't heard any Metal at all but regardless of that it sounds very good at the big sporting events in the USA so it can definitely work.

They played Iron Man between rounds at the Joshua fight in New York. Even though I’m not really fan, I was chuffed. Thing is though, they played Wonderwall between another two rounds and everybody sang along.

I feel like we are comparing apples and oranges here.

Ozzy/Sabbath does get played at sporting events in the US, typically Crazy Train in my experience, but it's usually used just to get the crowd pumped up and screaming.

So IMHO, if you want a sing-a-long go for DLBIA or Sweet Caroline.   If you want to scream your head off and make as much noise as possible then Ozzy fits the bill.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on July 19, 2019, 08:08:25 PM
Oasis are an awful band imo. Sabbath are music legends and Geezer is a big Villa fan. Heavy Metal is to Birmingham what Hip Hop is to New York or Reggae to Jamaica and we should celebrate it.

The problem is it sounds shit.
That made me chuckle Lee - as a Soul music lover I enjoyed our trips to Wigan when Northern Soul classics were played pre and post match - each to his own in terms  of musical taste I guess
If travelling or overseas I always get "homesick" or think of Brum whenever I hear a UB 40 track played
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: LeeB on July 19, 2019, 09:48:17 PM
Oasis are an awful band imo. Sabbath are music legends and Geezer is a big Villa fan. Heavy Metal is to Birmingham what Hip Hop is to New York or Reggae to Jamaica and we should celebrate it.

The problem is it sounds shit.
That made me chuckle Lee - as a Soul music lover I enjoyed our trips to Wigan when Northern Soul classics were played pre and post match - each to his own in terms  of musical taste I guess
If travelling or overseas I always get "homesick" or think of Brum whenever I hear a UB 40 track played

I can dig the soul, brother.

If it was up to me I'd have a 4 hour Masters at Work set building up to kick off, and probably a couple of eckies thrown in, but that's my personal preference.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Singapore Villa on July 20, 2019, 04:44:45 AM
Oasis are an awful band imo. Sabbath are music legends and Geezer is a big Villa fan. Heavy Metal is to Birmingham what Hip Hop is to New York or Reggae to Jamaica and we should celebrate it.

The problem is it sounds shit.
That made me chuckle Lee - as a Soul music lover I enjoyed our trips to Wigan when Northern Soul classics were played pre and post match - each to his own in terms  of musical taste I guess
If travelling or overseas I always get "homesick" or think of Brum whenever I hear a UB 40 track played

I can dig the soul, brother.

If it was up to me I'd have a 4 hour Masters at Work set building up to kick off, and probably a couple of eckies thrown in, but that's my personal preference.

Love a bit of MAW...!
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Axl Rose on July 20, 2019, 04:58:57 AM
Oasis are an awful band imo. Sabbath are music legends and Geezer is a big Villa fan. Heavy Metal is to Birmingham what Hip Hop is to New York or Reggae to Jamaica and we should celebrate it.

The problem is it sounds shit.

Whenever I hear someone say that about Metal they often haven't heard any Metal at all but regardless of that it sounds very good at the big sporting events in the USA so it can definitely work.

How about a bit of Napalm Death at half time? Just in the away team dressing room if we are losing.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Martin Carruthers on July 20, 2019, 07:34:30 AM
I don't think it has to be local but would prefer something not obviously associated with another club. I'd like Geno back - we've got history with it & the 'Deano' thing would work again. Failing that, the Spencer Davis Group had some absolute bangers.

Both local but not sure how much Villa involvement.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: AV82EC on July 20, 2019, 10:13:22 AM
I don't think it has to be local but would prefer something not obviously associated with another club. I'd like Geno back - we've got history with it & the 'Deano' thing would work again. Failing that, the Spencer Davis Group had some absolute bangers.

Both local but not sure how much Villa involvement.

The Spencer Davis Group - Keep on Running

Repeat ad nauseum

Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Bad English on July 21, 2019, 09:27:23 AM
I would love us to run out to the a capella version 'Wall of Deafening Noise' by The Aston Villa Fans.

Effective, awe-inspiring, and totally Brummie 20% Brummie and 80% folk from the shires.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: godzvilla on July 22, 2019, 01:48:53 PM
All very illuminating, fromPhilosopher Engels to Black Sabbath & Northern Soul, but, could someone tell me why Engels is not seemingly not involved in our pre season friendlies(?). Or , in the maelstrom of transfer news enveloping the Club, have I missed something?.   Still believe he will end up in midfield, but, what do I know?!, nothing , apparently!....Godzvilla !
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: CT Villan on July 22, 2019, 02:25:30 PM
Having heard you lot sing, I'd like to propose something by Guthrie Govan :)
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: paul_e on July 22, 2019, 02:43:35 PM
All very illuminating, fromPhilosopher Engels to Black Sabbath & Northern Soul, but, could someone tell me why Engels is not seemingly not involved in our pre season friendlies(?). Or , in the maelstrom of transfer news enveloping the Club, have I missed something?.   Still believe he will end up in midfield, but, what do I know?!, nothing , apparently!....Godzvilla !

From what I've heard he had a minor knock which they didn't think was worth risking on Sat, in America he just hadn't been with the team long enough.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on August 02, 2019, 11:43:34 AM
Just talking with a neighbour who knows I'm a Villa fan and he   cracked on that he is related to Bjorn s' wife who is from these parts - he has watched his career since Bjorn was 16
He said he had put club above country when carrying  a knock which led to him missing out on a World Cup place for Belgium.
Apparently he (Bjorn) Is delighted to be joining the Villa.
The only negative being he is a bit injury prone
My neighbour ( Anfield season card holder) went on to say he thought Villa were buying with some thought and planning - loves Dean Smith's footballing philosophy and can see us finishing in the top half of the table
Great to hear
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Drummond on August 02, 2019, 12:03:47 PM
Just talking with a neighbour who knows I'm a Villa fan and he   cracked on that he is related to Bjorn s' wife who is from these parts - he has watched his career since Bjorn was 16
He said he had put club above country when carrying  a knock which led to him missing out on a World Cup place for Belgium.
Apparently he (Bjorn) Is delighted to be joining the Villa.
The only negative being he is a bit injury prone
My neighbour ( Anfield season card holder) went on to say he thought Villa were buying with some thought and planning - loves Dean Smith's footballing philosophy and can see us finishing in the top half of the table
Great to hear

Good to hear that he's a good player with good attitude or that your Liverpool supporting mate thinks we're doing ok? :-)
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on August 02, 2019, 12:10:49 PM
It's all nice to hear Drummond
Without exception all the footy fans I've recently spoken with whist on holiday or locally have genuinely been pleased to see Villa back in the top flight and are looking  forward to see what style of Football we adopt to survive/thrive
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Drummond on August 02, 2019, 12:14:18 PM
It's all nice to hear Drummond
Without exception all the footy fans I've recently spoken with whist on holiday or locally have genuinely been pleased to see Villa back in the top flight and are looking  forward to see what style of Football we adopt to survive/thrive

I agree on the first but not the second. I want everyone to think we're going to fail and then to prove them wrong!
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Villa75 on August 10, 2019, 06:25:33 PM
A solid first half. Looks like he's been with us for years.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 10, 2019, 07:19:34 PM
He’s been excellent.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Smirker on August 10, 2019, 07:24:20 PM
Played well. Looks a good player.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: paul_e on August 10, 2019, 07:26:53 PM
I think he'll be a fantastic addition once he settles fully, already looks a top player for the price.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: West Derby Villan on August 10, 2019, 07:27:36 PM
Classy performance, fitted in well
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: colin69 on August 10, 2019, 07:35:47 PM
Played very well. Looks the business.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: purpletrousers on August 10, 2019, 07:39:04 PM
Great great buy.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 10, 2019, 07:42:09 PM
At £7m he's an absolute bargain judging on his performance today. Most impressed.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Tucson Villain on August 10, 2019, 07:43:31 PM
Looked quality today.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: taylorsworkrate on August 10, 2019, 07:46:44 PM
Yep, him and Mings were both excellent. Very unlucky for their second goal as the ball deflected off both of them right into Kane's path.

Get Doug/Nakamba in front of them, and Guilbert and Targett either side and that looks like a good defensive unit.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: CT on August 10, 2019, 08:04:26 PM
He looked really good today, alongside Mings who was immense.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 10, 2019, 08:06:16 PM
Him and Mings looked good today, and combined they cost less than half a Maguire.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: manic-road on August 10, 2019, 08:10:58 PM
Hadn't seen him in a competitive game before today but he looks a lass player on todays showing.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: dave shelley on August 10, 2019, 08:13:26 PM
I'll let someone else go first...
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 10, 2019, 08:13:26 PM
I've liked the look of him since the pre season games.

Calm in possesion and good reader of the game, reminds me a lot of when Mellberg joined us. Just an unfussy way of defending rather than just lunging in and gambling all the time.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Ads on August 10, 2019, 08:14:40 PM
Impressive for me. Very assured.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Kimaster1976 on August 10, 2019, 08:38:56 PM
I said in the pre season games he reminded me of Mellberg. He played like Mellberg in his pomp today.

Get Targett and Guilbert either side of the Engels/Mings/Heaton trio thats some good potential defence we got.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Three Spires Villa on August 10, 2019, 09:01:26 PM
I thought he looked very good
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Bad English on August 10, 2019, 09:10:32 PM
My neighbour (Anfield season card holder)
Are we supposed to be impressed with the opinions of someone with these credentials? ;-)
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Nastylee on August 10, 2019, 10:08:15 PM
Pick of the defenders
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: purpletrousers on August 10, 2019, 10:10:48 PM
I'll let someone else go first...

A fantastic maiden appearance.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Randy Gurner on August 10, 2019, 10:12:20 PM
Very impressive debut. the flicked clearance in the second half was class.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Risso on August 10, 2019, 10:14:41 PM
He was excellent today.  Seems to have a good understanding with Tyrone already.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Newby on August 10, 2019, 10:18:17 PM
The defence was pretty good today.  Engles is a very decent defender and will form a really good partnership with the Emperor.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: villan from luton on August 10, 2019, 10:22:18 PM
I thought he was excellent, different player from Mellberg IMO as calm in possession
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: charleeco7 on August 10, 2019, 10:25:49 PM
Excellent tonight. Very composed and confident. Hopefully only get even better
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: john e on August 10, 2019, 10:36:39 PM
Engels Mings has the makings of a pairing that could last for a long time to come
Both quality players

I thought Engles was the best of the two today
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Risso on August 10, 2019, 10:58:09 PM
Engels Mings has the makings of a pairing that could last for a long time to come
Both quality players

I thought Engles was the best of the two today

I didn't, I thought Mings was absolutely immense.  Engels was very good, but Tyrone was brilliant.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: john e on August 10, 2019, 11:03:27 PM
Engels Mings has the makings of a pairing that could last for a long time to come
Both quality players

I thought Engles was the best of the two today

I didn't, I thought Mings was absolutely immense.  Engels was very good, but Tyrone was brilliant.

It’s probably a good thing that they were both good and we have a split decision on the winner
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Risso on August 10, 2019, 11:04:34 PM
Engels Mings has the makings of a pairing that could last for a long time to come
Both quality players

I thought Engles was the best of the two today

I didn't, I thought Mings was absolutely immense.  Engels was very good, but Tyrone was brilliant.

It’s probably a good thing that they were both good and we have a split decision on the winner

Yep, I don't think we have much to worry about in central defence for a while.  Heaton was excellent too.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Smirker on August 10, 2019, 11:05:19 PM
Both of them were class. They didn't deserve to be part of a defence that conceded three. Neither did Heaton.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Villafirst on August 11, 2019, 12:17:16 AM
Engels looked very good, but Tyrone was immense today. The amount of blocks, headers and clearances was unreal. Our undoing second-half was giving the ball away cheaply.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 11, 2019, 12:26:58 AM
I’m loving Engels instead.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Drummond on August 11, 2019, 07:22:51 AM
Once the two of them have had a few more games together I think we'll be thinking about our great pairings of the past again. I thought he was brilliant.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 11, 2019, 08:24:11 AM
He was excellent.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Newby on August 11, 2019, 08:36:03 AM
If he can play that well on his debut, and maintain the consistency, what a player we have on our hands. Good partnership forming with Tyrone already.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Mister E on August 11, 2019, 08:49:49 AM
He reminded me of Laursen, but cooler!
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: manic-road on August 11, 2019, 09:02:56 AM
I’m loving Engels instead.

Yes he offers us protection at the back.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Three Spires Villa on August 11, 2019, 09:03:56 AM
Engels was top top notch
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Virgil Caine on August 11, 2019, 09:17:29 AM
He reminded me of Laursen, but cooler!

Cooler than Laursen? Martin doesn't sweat in a sauna. You saying that Engels is The IceMan?
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Fred Crump on August 11, 2019, 09:32:34 AM
I’m loving Engels instead.

Yes he offers us protection at the back.
He’s getting a lot of love and affection on here..
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: OzVilla on August 11, 2019, 10:07:03 AM
One particular clearance when we were under the cosh in the 2nd half was superb, the hook back over his shoulder.  Early days but I think we've found one here.

If so with Heaton, Engels, Mings, Douglas, SJM and Jack as a spine I'd be very confident of comfortably staying up.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Mister E on August 11, 2019, 10:09:12 AM
He reminded me of Laursen, but cooler!

Cooler than Laursen? Martin doesn't sweat in a sauna. You saying that Engels is The IceMan?
We'll see, but certainly up there in the icebox stakes
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Bren'd on August 11, 2019, 11:02:00 AM
He had a superb game.  My man of the match. 
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Villafirst on August 11, 2019, 01:06:24 PM
He cost £8.5m & Maguire £85m? So a tenth of the cost! Stupid idiots at United love wasting money - Sanchez costs them £550k per week in wages and he doesn't play!
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Bad English on August 11, 2019, 01:38:36 PM
Engels marks class capital struggle.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: andyh on August 11, 2019, 01:41:07 PM
‘Class’ is exactly the right word to describe Engels.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Monty on August 11, 2019, 01:41:14 PM
Engels marks class capital struggle.

Yes.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 11, 2019, 04:00:34 PM


Brilliant yesterday alongside Mings, i can see that becoming one hell of a partnership over the next few months
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Newby on August 11, 2019, 08:31:47 PM
He cost £8.5m & Maguire £85m? So a tenth of the cost! Stupid idiots at United love wasting money - Sanchez costs them £550k per week in wages and he doesn't play!

They also have to accept though, that anytime Man United come calling for a player, they pay a premium.  Had they signed Engels, the fee would have been 20 million.  That said, Maguire is not worth that much money.  Bloody ridiculous money.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: darren woolley on August 12, 2019, 09:43:38 AM
Watching Bjorn against Spurs I was impressed with him played well he will be a top player for us.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Oscar Arce on August 12, 2019, 10:00:12 AM
The pick of our team on Saturday.
Oozed class, great reader of the game, sound positional play, good in possession and excellent clearances under pressure.
My fave.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 12, 2019, 10:16:18 AM
Very impressive.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Drummond on August 12, 2019, 10:47:01 AM
I’m loving Engels instead.

Yes he offers us protection at the back.
He’s getting a lot of love and affection on here..

Well are we right or wrong?
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Risso on August 12, 2019, 10:51:33 AM
Jesus, A Robbie Williams punfest.  Kill me now.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: purpletrousers on August 12, 2019, 12:54:58 PM
Jesus, A Robbie Williams punfest.  Kill me now.

She spoke in dialect I could not understand
But one thing that she made clear
There was no coming on to her
There was no intellect
That she could respect
If it couldn't see
That the girl just wants to be
Left alone with Mings and Engels for a while
She's writing in the style
Of any riot girl
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: eamonn on August 12, 2019, 01:53:08 PM
He's quite handsome too, I was surprised how beautiful his eyes were.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Risso on August 12, 2019, 02:03:15 PM
Jesus, A Robbie Williams punfest.  Kill me now.

She spoke in dialect I could not understand
But one thing that she made clear
There was no coming on to her
There was no intellect
That she could respect
If it couldn't see
That the girl just wants to be
Left alone with Mings and Engels for a while
She's writing in the style
Of any riot girl

Now that's more like it!
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Bad English on August 12, 2019, 04:14:45 PM
Jesus, A Robbie Williams punfest.  Kill me now.
I tried to start an ownership of the means of production bourgeoisie worker struggle punfest but nobody capitalised on it.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Drummond on August 12, 2019, 04:39:37 PM
Jesus, A Robbie Williams punfest.  Kill me now.
I tried to start an ownership of the means of production bourgeoisie worker struggle punfest but nobody capitalised on it.

There was no interest.

I've been Right Here Waiting For You though.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 12, 2019, 05:52:52 PM
Jesus, A Robbie Williams punfest.  Kill me now.
I tried to start an ownership of the means of production bourgeoisie worker struggle punfest but nobody capitalised on it.
It gave me the Trots.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Bad English on August 12, 2019, 05:54:38 PM
Full marks.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Mister E on August 12, 2019, 06:02:18 PM
Jesus, A Robbie Williams punfest.  Kill me now.
I tried to start an ownership of the means of production bourgeoisie worker struggle punfest but nobody capitalised on it.
full Marx for trying.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Bad English on August 12, 2019, 06:21:02 PM
See post above yours. :-)
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Mister E on August 12, 2019, 07:09:12 PM
See post above yours. :-)
damn your eyes, sir, and may des cartes of hell carry you off.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Edvard Remberg on August 13, 2019, 12:00:53 PM
At least pun-marathons never happen here.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Drummond on August 13, 2019, 12:03:30 PM
At least pun-marathons never happen here.

Someone will get their Snickers in a twist though.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: danno on August 13, 2019, 12:47:54 PM
At least pun-marathons never happen here.

Someone will get their Snickers in a twist though.

I think you mean knickers in a twix.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: spartacuss on August 13, 2019, 01:30:55 PM
At least pun-marathons never happen here.
No, they just hap-pun from time to time.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: UK Redsox on August 19, 2019, 09:18:01 PM
Whilst the Lyrics are quite funny is anyone really going to start singing Robbie Williams at a football match? Really?

Almost certainly.

I'm sure that there's a song that contains the lyric "Marx and Engels". I've been racking my brain all day and can't remember it.

Google hasn't helped either. That just produces a Belle and Sebastian song, and it's not that one.

This has been bugging me for weeks but I’ve finally remembered.

The lyric I was thinking of is from ‘Ribbons’ by The Sisters of Mercy

Her lovers queued up in the hallway
I heard them scratching at the door
I tried to tell her
About Marx and Engels, God and angels
I don't really know what for
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: phantom limb on August 23, 2019, 11:40:16 PM
I think this guy may have gone slightly under the radar due to the amount of signings we made in the summer, he’s looking bloody good so far.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: brontebilly on August 23, 2019, 11:42:02 PM
I think this guy may have gone slightly under the radar due to the amount of signings we made in the summer, he’s looking bloody good so far.

looks a very good defender, was it him who stopped the goal in the first half?
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on August 23, 2019, 11:44:57 PM
Yes. He's bloody great. The latest Villa Scandinavian colossus.

Edit: or not, because he's Belgian!
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Newby on August 23, 2019, 11:56:46 PM
I love the fact that he punched the air after that block. Great to see defenders who love clean sheets. Very good player!
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: kieron on August 24, 2019, 12:42:04 AM
Potential player of the year in the making.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Risso on August 24, 2019, 12:46:58 AM
I love Mings and Engels more than any defensive pairing we've ever had. 
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Comrade Blitz on August 24, 2019, 12:58:48 AM
They are literally massive in defence
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Villa75 on August 24, 2019, 01:10:34 AM
What a player this guy is! Not just his defending, but in his forward play. Love him.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: purpletrousers on August 24, 2019, 02:08:52 AM
I love Mings and Engels more than any defensive pairing we've ever had. 

That’s big Risso. I may never overcome my first love of Alan & Ken, you’re old enough to have seen them no? But basically as an adult, I might agree.
BOTH are looking, well what would be the plural of collosus?

Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 24, 2019, 03:39:09 AM
He is a superb player. For us to find a CB to immediately and perfectly compliment Mings is some going on the part of the clubs scouting department.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Mister E on August 24, 2019, 09:10:08 AM
He is a superb player. For us to find a CB to immediately and perfectly compliment Mings is some going on the part of the clubs scouting department.
apparently Deano had him on his radar at Brentford.
He is class for sure.

Evans + McNaught, Mellberg + Laursen ...
Maybe; just maybe ...
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Risso on August 24, 2019, 09:12:55 AM
I love Mings and Engels more than any defensive pairing we've ever had. 

That’s big Risso. I may never overcome my first love of Alan & Ken, you’re old enough to have seen them no? But basically as an adult, I might agree.
BOTH are looking, well what would be the plural of collosus?



To be honest, Mings plus anyone would have a chance of being my favourite at the moment, but the way Engels has come in and just adjusted so effortlessly is brilliant.  They're a completely new pairing but look like they've played together for years.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Mister E on August 24, 2019, 09:13:42 AM
With Freddie's pace, I wonder whether a back three of Mings, Engels and Konsa would be worth looking at. Freddie and Targett down the flanks would be pretty awesome, and it would mean we can be more compact in the middle.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 24, 2019, 09:21:25 AM
His quality is genuinely remarkable.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 24, 2019, 09:22:40 AM
I love Mings and Engels more than any defensive pairing we've ever had. 

That’s big Risso. I may never overcome my first love of Alan & Ken, you’re old enough to have seen them no? But basically as an adult, I might agree.
BOTH are looking, well what would be the plural of collosus?



To be honest, Mings plus anyone would have a chance of being my favourite at the moment, but the way Engels has come in and just adjusted so effortlessly is brilliant.  They're a completely new pairing but look like they've played together for years.

As a pair i think they might end up being mine if they carry on in the same vein for a few years. They do look special.
I'm thinking about some of the trio's we had in the 90's though, McGrath, Mountfield, Neilson / McGrath, Southgate, Ugo / Southgate, Ugo, Barry. Those were all a bit good.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: PeterWithe on August 24, 2019, 09:28:51 AM
A real credit to the scouting department, very well done.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Newby on August 24, 2019, 09:33:38 AM
He looks a little bit like a young Nicholas Lyndhurst from Only Fools and Horse.  Rodney?

Rodney and the Emperor. Magic.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Clampy on August 24, 2019, 09:52:17 AM
He looks a little bit like a young Nicholas Lyndhurst from Only Fools and Horse.  Rodney?

Rodney and the Emperor. Magic.

He looks absolutely nothing like him but it's as good a nickname as any. Rodney it is then.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Colhint on August 24, 2019, 11:30:38 AM
He looks a little bit like a young Nicholas Lyndhurst from Only Fools and Horse.  Rodney?

Rodney and the Emperor. Magic.

He looks absolutely nothing like him but it's as good a nickname as any. Rodney it is then.

I guess we call him Dave then
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: dave shelley on August 24, 2019, 12:59:18 PM
He looks a little bit like a young Nicholas Lyndhurst from Only Fools and Horse.  Rodney?

Rodney and the Emperor. Magic.

He looks absolutely nothing like him but it's as good a nickname as any. Rodney it is then.

I guess we call him Dave then

Funny that, I was thinking the other day, who was the last Dave/David we had playing first-team football for us?  The only one that came to mind was Ginola, any other offers?
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Risso on August 24, 2019, 01:10:18 PM
David Hughes, played a few games in mid 90s.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: dave shelley on August 24, 2019, 01:11:54 PM
Yep, forgot about him.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Risso on August 24, 2019, 01:12:06 PM
And David James of course.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: dave shelley on August 24, 2019, 01:14:06 PM
And another.  I'll bet there's plenty.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 24, 2019, 01:15:39 PM
Platt, Norton, Unsworth.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: dave shelley on August 24, 2019, 01:17:25 PM
Platt, Norton, Unsworth.

Keep going, it's good for my brain training.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on August 24, 2019, 01:22:36 PM
I'm not sure we can count Unsworth.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Border villan on August 24, 2019, 02:46:41 PM
Rudge.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Villa Lew on August 24, 2019, 02:57:44 PM
Pountney 60s
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: KRS on August 24, 2019, 03:54:49 PM
Quality player. We have a quality CB pairing in the making, and I was concerned and relieved when both Mings and Engels went down with injuries in the first half. Fairplay to Engels for getting back on his feet when Mings nearly kicked his head off!
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Clampy on August 24, 2019, 04:06:56 PM
Dave Farrell popped into my head which is odd because I don't remember him. I had to Google to see if he existed.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Risso on August 24, 2019, 04:13:50 PM
Dave Farrell popped into my head which is odd because I don't remember him. I had to Google to see if he existed.

Atkinson era?
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: dave shelley on August 24, 2019, 05:19:07 PM
I think we're getting a bit carried away with our Dave's here folks.  The question I asked was who was the last Dave/David that played for us in the first team?

While I'm here, don't forget Dave Roberts and Dave Simmons RIP.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Clampy on August 24, 2019, 05:57:35 PM
Dave Farrell popped into my head which is odd because I don't remember him. I had to Google to see if he existed.

Atkinson era?

It said on wiki he was here between 1992-1995. I remember the name but just can't place him.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Richard E on August 24, 2019, 06:00:57 PM
David Hughes in the Brian Little era.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Risso on August 24, 2019, 06:32:30 PM
David Hughes in the Brian Little era.

Ahem
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Risso on August 24, 2019, 06:37:21 PM
Dave Farrell popped into my head which is odd because I don't remember him. I had to Google to see if he existed.

Atkinson era?

It said on wiki he was here between 1992-1995. I remember the name but just can't place him.

A winger wasn’t he? I vaguely recall him starting a match around Christmas time when I was at uni so would’ve been about 94.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on August 24, 2019, 06:46:15 PM
I vaguely remember him. According to Wiki he went on to play bass for Linkin Park.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Clampy on August 24, 2019, 07:03:21 PM
I vaguely remember him. According to Wiki he went on to play bass for Linkin Park.

You're thinking of Paul Mortimer.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Exeter 77 on August 31, 2019, 12:22:39 PM
I've just read a strange quote from Roberto Martinez saying Bjorn Engels isn't '100% fit'.

https://twitter.com/villareport/status/1167472983507644416?s=19
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: tomd2103 on August 31, 2019, 12:26:38 PM
I've just read a strange quote from Roberto Martinez saying Bjorn Engels isn't '100% fit'.

https://twitter.com/villareport/status/1167472983507644416?s=19

Wonder if the quote wasn't initially in English and "fit" hasn't really translated properly. 
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on August 31, 2019, 12:50:20 PM
Spoke with one of Bjorn s wife's relatives today .....they are settling well in the Midlands and apparently Bjorn loves it at the villa....he is learning from Tyrone and says they have a great relationship on and off the playing field
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on August 31, 2019, 01:01:15 PM
Martinez was never the greatest manager of defenders. Not sure why he would just make stuff up as an excuse not to pick someone, though.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: West Derby Villan on August 31, 2019, 03:07:51 PM
Bet he'll be in the next squad
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Risso on September 17, 2019, 01:13:14 AM
Bargain of the summer this lad.  Excellent again tonight.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 17, 2019, 01:32:49 AM
Just, WOW!

Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: charleeco7 on September 17, 2019, 06:48:48 AM
The Ice Man. Superb, just looks unflappable.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Mister E on September 17, 2019, 09:18:30 AM
Sooooo cool.
I poor pass last night, but - otherwise - excellent.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: West Derby Villan on September 17, 2019, 01:55:40 PM
Yeah match on match improvement
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 17, 2019, 03:25:56 PM
Looking really good so far, and shows there's still bargains to be had out there.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 17, 2019, 07:01:20 PM
Very good.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: themossman on September 17, 2019, 07:12:53 PM
Really good again. Mentioned in the match thread there was one tackle where he got the ball cleanly from the wrong side of the player and came out of defence with it. Amazing how he did it without fouling.

He reminds me of one of those lanky, not very athletic looking players you get at 5 aside that are impossible to get past, who never have a bead of sweat on them. 
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: ironmaidenmania on September 17, 2019, 08:18:05 PM
For me this guy has been the best buy of all the new signings. Looks class and a snip at the price we paid.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: nigel on September 17, 2019, 08:20:24 PM
For me this guy has been the best buy of all the new signings. Looks class and a snip at the price we paid.

Agree, Engels and Guilbert combined fee £12m
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: garyshawsknee on September 17, 2019, 08:26:55 PM
For me this guy has been the best buy of all the new signings. Looks class and a snip at the price we paid.

Agree, Engels and Guilbert combined fee £12m

Both look like bargains, Engels looks so composed for someone playing in a new league. Guilberts pace and energy was impressive last night again.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: dcdavecollett on September 18, 2019, 11:36:36 PM
Both were good last night -Bjorn is a top defender.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: KevinGage on September 18, 2019, 11:59:29 PM
I'm tempering this with the thought that Micah Richards looked decent for the first two months, but this guy looks the business so far.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: dcdavecollett on September 19, 2019, 12:19:27 AM
I suspect Bjorn's fitness record is superior!
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Mister E on September 19, 2019, 01:27:55 PM
And attitude!
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: CT Villan on September 19, 2019, 01:31:26 PM
He's probably a better Secret Santa too.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Hookeysmith on September 19, 2019, 02:00:28 PM
I'm tempering this with the thought that Micah Richards looked decent for the first two months, but this guy looks the business so far.

Go and stand over there on that step and think what you have just done  -  tut tut
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: PeterWithe on January 04, 2020, 10:02:08 PM
Read an article earlier showing the 20 fastest sprints by players in Europe this season, remarkably, Engels was in the top 10. He looked borderline asthmatic against Southampton.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: adrenachrome on January 04, 2020, 10:19:24 PM
Read an article earlier showing the 20 fastest sprints by players in Europe this season, remarkably, Engels was in the top 10. He looked borderline asthmatic against Southampton.

I remember an article which stated that based on stats,  Hutton was are most effective sprinter. When interviewed he laughed and said "Naah, it's Gabby".

Of the players brought in under the new admin, I get the feeling that they will all go on to great things, but time is at a premium for us.

Now, thanks to injuries, we are depending on an extremely productive transfer window.   
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Risso on January 04, 2020, 11:06:54 PM
Wasn't in the squad at all against Burnley, then dumped in the stiffs today for the annual FA Cup capitulation.  A right nosedive in form and confidence since the start of the season.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: eamonn on January 04, 2020, 11:17:12 PM
He'll come again, more than enough quality there for it to come through.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Edvard Remberg on January 05, 2020, 12:17:36 AM
I heard he had the flu and just recovered.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Kimaster1976 on January 05, 2020, 06:57:35 AM
He looked so good at the start of the season, I was convinced we had found ourselves a nice Laursen/Mellberg clone.

Yet he looks like a carthorse in any recent appearances. His pace seems totally non existent, any quick Premier League forward will tear him to shreds.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: OzVilla on January 05, 2020, 07:34:45 AM
We were defending deeper and as a unit much more. Then we decided on a high line against speed merchants and he got caught out, lost confidence. Poor management imo.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: PeterWithe on January 05, 2020, 09:27:22 AM
Yet he looks like a carthorse in any recent appearances. His pace seems totally non existent, any quick Premier League forward will tear him to shreds.

Well not according to the article which might be because he’s either carrying an injury, he’s struggling to adapt or the journalist made up the list by drawing names out of a hat.

My opinion is that like nearly all the other signings, he’s got s lot of promise but they struggle when playing all together. Think he’ll come good.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Richard on January 05, 2020, 10:39:16 AM
He'll be fine in the 343 alternating with Konza, alongside Mings and Hause who are the 2 that have to play most games
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Luke8 on January 12, 2020, 10:16:37 PM
What has happened to Engles? Have I missed an injury he has picked up or has he gone from 2nd choice to 5th choice in Smiths eyes?
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: AVH87 on January 12, 2020, 10:20:02 PM
Must have done, as he played at Fulham a week ago so doubt he's picked up another injury since.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 15, 2020, 05:02:33 AM
Another mystery, looked promising, has injury, bad game, dropped.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Edvard Remberg on January 15, 2020, 04:40:24 PM
Another mystery, looked promising, has injury, bad game, dropped.


Same as Guilbert - plays well, dropped. Others play shit, start next week.

Maybe DS asks them to play shit, and he rewards players for doing as told? (joke)
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: mr underhill on January 16, 2020, 07:34:26 AM
Even though we were letting in too many goals, he looked quite accomplished with Mings early on.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: john e on January 16, 2020, 08:09:07 AM
Even though we were letting in too many goals, he looked quite accomplished with Mings early on.

For me without doubt our strongest centre back partnership
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 16, 2020, 08:31:36 AM
In a three would he be in the centre or on the right? Being in the centre would mask his pace better and also allow him to the main link/passer however Mings appears to be the talisman and organiser.  Thoughts?
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Clampy on January 16, 2020, 08:39:57 AM
In a three would he be in the centre or on the right? Being in the centre would mask his pace better and also allow him to the main link/passer however Mings appears to be the talisman and organiser.  Thoughts?

Maybe he's going with Konza as he's a bit quicker. He did  do ok at the start of the season with Mings but I think a back three is the best way for us to go at the moment.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Drummond on January 16, 2020, 10:31:22 AM
I think we're actually pretty well-off as far as centre backs go. That there are a number of combinations is good and whilst Engles and Mings looked good together early on, Hause and Konsa haven't let themselves down when they've come in.

The issue is our midfield being powderpuff and letting everyone through.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 16, 2020, 10:45:00 AM
Agree with that. Chester coming in, particularly as part of a three would be fine as well. Not a lot to pick between Konsa, Engels and Hause, all pretty similar. Hause is the most 'mixed bag' as he's the best defender of the three and defends as well as Mings pretty much but gives the ball away the most when playing out of defence.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: john e on January 17, 2020, 04:11:37 PM
Which one literally passed the ball to Aguero last Sunday and basically said there you go mate on your way to a hat trick

or are we just pretending these things never happened
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Mister E on January 17, 2020, 04:23:49 PM
Hauser had a poor game against Citeh.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: eamonn on January 17, 2020, 05:01:49 PM
Chester is being linked with Middlesbrough.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Drummond on January 17, 2020, 05:04:50 PM
Which one literally passed the ball to Aguero last Sunday and basically said there you go mate on your way to a hat trick

or are we just pretending these things never happened

Not sure what point you're making?
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: john e on January 18, 2020, 09:57:42 AM
Which one literally passed the ball to Aguero last Sunday and basically said there you go mate on your way to a hat trick

or are we just pretending these things never happened

Not sure what point you're making?

you saying they haven’t let themselves down after one of the most inept defensive performances culminating in one of them giving Aguero an easy assist

What game are you watching because they were woeful as were the rest of them
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Rudy65 on January 18, 2020, 10:01:17 AM
Hauser had a poor game against Citeh.
X11
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Edvard Remberg on January 18, 2020, 02:26:12 PM
Not even on the bench. I don't get DS - is he only picking players based on friendship? Drinkwater starts?
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: john2710 on January 19, 2020, 12:01:16 AM
Hasn't looked the same player since picking up an injury at Norwich. Prior to that he was excellent.

Will come good again.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Holy Trinity on January 19, 2020, 12:11:15 PM
Training ground bust up weeks ago and we are trying to find a centre back to let him go aparently.

Terry blamed him for a goal and he blamed the formation which smith took offence to and dropped him and hes not has a sniff since. If vida comes Engles goes.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: in exile on January 19, 2020, 12:27:15 PM
Hauser had a poor game against Citeh.
X11

https://bustimes.org/services/x11-newmains-west-crindledyke-glasgow
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on January 19, 2020, 01:30:44 PM
Training ground bust up weeks ago and we are trying to find a centre back to let him go aparently.

Terry blamed him for a goal and he blamed the formation which smith took offence to and dropped him and hes not has a sniff since. If vida comes Engles goes.

Fucking hell!

There's a bit of O'Neill in Smith then eh. Would have thought him more forgiving myself. Particularly when we're not blessed with quality in depth.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: john e on January 19, 2020, 01:34:16 PM
Training ground bust up weeks ago and we are trying to find a centre back to let him go aparently.

Terry blamed him for a goal and he blamed the formation which smith took offence to and dropped him and hes not has a sniff since. If vida comes Engles goes.

That’s not good if like me you really rate Engles
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: GXVilla on January 19, 2020, 01:55:20 PM
I was really encouraged by Engels early on, but I think teams have now sussed his lack of pace on the turn which makes him a liability.
A half fit Chester looked a better option than him against Fulham unfortunately. Hopefully he's being hampered by an injury and will recover some pace, but if not then he needs replacing quickly. Premier League brutally exposes any shortcomings.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Ads on January 19, 2020, 02:11:31 PM
He was injured and then had the flu.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: SheffieldVillain on January 19, 2020, 02:14:37 PM
Training ground bust up weeks ago and we are trying to find a centre back to let him go aparently.

Terry blamed him for a goal and he blamed the formation which smith took offence to and dropped him and hes not has a sniff since. If vida comes Engles goes.

Fucking hell!

There's a bit of O'Neill in Smith then eh. Would have thought him more forgiving myself. Particularly when we're not blessed with quality in depth.

Surely to make that kind of assessment you'd need to know exactly what the alleged training ground bust-up consisted of?
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 19, 2020, 02:26:11 PM
Training ground disagreements happen all the time. He's been sick and injured. If Kodjia got on the bench while he was completely out of favour then Engels if healthy would get in ahead of Chester.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on January 19, 2020, 03:21:21 PM
Training ground bust up weeks ago and we are trying to find a centre back to let him go aparently.

Terry blamed him for a goal and he blamed the formation which smith took offence to and dropped him and hes not has a sniff since. If vida comes Engles goes.

Fucking hell!

There's a bit of O'Neill in Smith then eh. Would have thought him more forgiving myself. Particularly when we're not blessed with quality in depth.

Surely to make that kind of assessment you'd need to know exactly what the alleged training ground bust-up consisted of?

Did you not read Holy Trinity's post, or are you just being obtuse? My reply was obviously working on the basis that there is some truth to what HT is saying. Are you suggesting he's making it up, or that it's patently untrue?
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: hilts_coolerking on January 19, 2020, 03:36:06 PM
I find that hard to believe.  I know Smith's stubborn but surely he wouldn't freeze out a very promising player for something like that when we have the second worst defence in the division?
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: TheMalandro on January 19, 2020, 04:56:16 PM
It's a twitter bullshit post.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: malckennedy on January 19, 2020, 05:15:48 PM
Training ground bust up weeks ago and we are trying to find a centre back to let him go aparently.

Terry blamed him for a goal and he blamed the formation which smith took offence to and dropped him and hes not has a sniff since. If vida comes Engles goes.

Fucking hell!

There's a bit of O'Neill in Smith then eh. Would have thought him more forgiving myself. Particularly when we're not blessed with quality in depth.

Surely to make that kind of assessment you'd need to know exactly what the alleged training ground bust-up consisted of?

Did you not read Holy Trinity's post, or are you just being obtuse? My reply was obviously working on the basis that there is some truth to what HT is saying. Are you suggesting he's making it up, or that it's patently untrue?

I wouldn’t suggest that he’s making it up but this doesn’t mean that it’s not patently untrue. I’d say it is very unlikely to be true.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on January 19, 2020, 05:47:31 PM
He's been bombed out of the squad for a reason. He hasn't posted on social media himself since November, prior to which he regularly posted after every game. Something's gone on.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: richtheholtender on January 19, 2020, 05:49:04 PM
Would like to see him in a 3 alongside Mings and konsa.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Aldridge Villa on January 19, 2020, 06:53:51 PM
Would like him back full stop, do hope this alleged bust up can be sorted out. Saw enough of him in first 2 months of season that he has the ability and more so attitude that we need more than ever now.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on January 19, 2020, 07:01:30 PM
His wife/partner is from Merseyside and I regularly talk with one of her relatives whilst I am out walking Marley ... I shall make some enquiries :)
I do know Engels was delighted when he signed for the Villa
I hope the rumour is just that as we need a togetherness in the  squad right now
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Flamingo Lane on January 19, 2020, 07:07:01 PM
In my view he's a bloody good player, and on the assumption he is fit he should be starting alongside Mings every time.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: SheffieldVillain on January 19, 2020, 07:08:25 PM
Training ground bust up weeks ago and we are trying to find a centre back to let him go aparently.

Terry blamed him for a goal and he blamed the formation which smith took offence to and dropped him and hes not has a sniff since. If vida comes Engles goes.

Fucking hell!

There's a bit of O'Neill in Smith then eh. Would have thought him more forgiving myself. Particularly when we're not blessed with quality in depth.

Surely to make that kind of assessment you'd need to know exactly what the alleged training ground bust-up consisted of?

Did you not read Holy Trinity's post, or are you just being obtuse? My reply was obviously working on the basis that there is some truth to what HT is saying. Are you suggesting he's making it up, or that it's patently untrue?

Neither. I'm suggesting that if an incident did happen, 'training ground bust-up' can cover a whole range of things. He could have blamed the formation by saying "yeah, what about the formation then, let's talk about that." - in which case Smith would have been harsh to bomb him out. Or he could have gone face-to-face with him and screamed "you f***g useless c**t, f***k you and your f****g formation" and pushed him before storming off, in which case he wouldn't have been harsh to bomb him out. So what I meant by you would need to know exactly what happened before making a judgement was just that. Your reply was working on the basis of assuming Smith was to blame whatever the extent of the incident.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Ad@m on January 19, 2020, 11:51:38 PM
Would like to see him in a 3 alongside Mings and konsa.

Me too. Hause is starting to become a bit of a liability and desperately needs some time on the bench.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: tomd2103 on January 20, 2020, 12:40:20 AM
Would like to see him in a 3 alongside Mings and konsa.

Konsa has a few too many mistakes in his locker at the moment, so I would add Chester to that mix, but have doubts about how fit Chester actually is. 
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: frank black on January 22, 2020, 04:05:37 PM
Engels enjoying the south of France I believe.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Edvard Remberg on January 22, 2020, 04:17:29 PM
Engels enjoying the south of France I believe.
Yes, posted on Instagram - Hotel and Spa (could be injury related)
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on January 22, 2020, 04:20:58 PM
Engels enjoying the south of France I believe.
Yes, posted on Instagram - Hotel and Spa (could be injury related)

Dean said he's fine and that he just decided to choose Chester ahead of him on the bench, but that Bjorn was doing extra training at Bodymoor with Jota ... perhaps not realising that Bjorn has been posting his holiday snaps on social media in the meantime.

Awkward.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Richard E on January 22, 2020, 04:25:32 PM
Engels enjoying the south of France I believe.
Yes, posted on Instagram - Hotel and Spa (could be injury related)

Dean said he's fine and that he just decided to choose Chester ahead of him on the bench, but that Bjorn was doing extra training at Bodymoor with Jota ... perhaps not realising that Bjorn has been posting his holiday snaps on social media in the meantime.

Awkward.

Unless he is in the matchday 18, I keep forgetting Jota exists.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: rougegorge on January 22, 2020, 06:11:53 PM
Engels enjoying the south of France I believe.
Yes, posted on Instagram - Hotel and Spa (could be injury related)

Dean said he's fine and that he just decided to choose Chester ahead of him on the bench, but that Bjorn was doing extra training at Bodymoor with Jota ... perhaps not realising that Bjorn has been posting his holiday snaps on social media in the meantime.

Awkward.
Very odd, unless there was a big miscommunication somewhere within the management team.

Jota was a gamble that hasn't paid off at all, despite some pre-season promise; but then Blues didn't have much else to offer.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 22, 2020, 06:40:05 PM
It’s weird as he was good at the start of the season.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: JJ-AV on January 22, 2020, 07:02:18 PM
I think the likes of Kodjia, Jota, Engels and possibly Targett are the players that Smith 'read the riot act' to at Christmas.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Edvard Remberg on January 23, 2020, 07:30:11 AM
Was at a Reims game yesterday.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: lovejoy on January 23, 2020, 08:30:10 AM
Would like to see him in a 3 alongside Mings and konsa.

Me too. Hause is starting to become a bit of a liability and desperately needs some time on the bench.

I agree, Engels is a better footballer than Hause.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: mr underhill on January 23, 2020, 09:05:05 AM
maybe but Hause has had little senior action  compared to Engles and is more versatile as he can also play left back.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: brontebilly on January 23, 2020, 09:44:17 AM
Would like to see him in a 3 alongside Mings and konsa.

In the centre maybe, hasn't enough pace to play on the right side of the three. If Smith is blaming Engels for getting skinned by Shane Long then I would have sympathy for him. Engels isn't going to have a hope if he is expected to play a high offside line with little or no protection in front of him.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Ad@m on January 23, 2020, 12:42:13 PM
Would like to see him in a 3 alongside Mings and konsa.

Me too. Hause is starting to become a bit of a liability and desperately needs some time on the bench.

I agree, Engels is a better footballer than Hause.

I didn't realise until just now that Hause is basically the same age as Engels and a couple of years older than Konsa.  I thought Hause was 20/21.

I've even less sympathy with his recent spate of slack passing gifting the opposition massive chances now.  Something needs to be done to bring Engels back in to the fold if he's fit.  Chester doesn't appear to be up to the job and our inability to keep a clean sheet could end up sending us down.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Luke8 on February 02, 2020, 09:29:42 PM
Thought that he looked reasonable when he came on yesterday, especially considering that he has been no where near the squad for a month for some reason. Obviously the game situation probably played a part but thought he did well.

Will obviously come in if Konsa is injured, but otherwise, I wouldn’t be opposed to seeing a back three of Konsa-Engles-Mings going forward.

Also, I imagine this has probably been covered elsewhere, but why wasn’t it a penalty when he got punched in the head by their keeper?
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Risso on February 03, 2020, 10:28:14 AM
Thought that he looked reasonable when he came on yesterday, especially considering that he has been no where near the squad for a month for some reason. Obviously the game situation probably played a part but thought he did well.

Will obviously come in if Konsa is injured, but otherwise, I wouldn’t be opposed to seeing a back three of Konsa-Engles-Mings going forward.

Also, I imagine this has probably been covered elsewhere, but why wasn’t it a penalty when he got punched in the head by their keeper?

The only reason I can come up with is that both the ref and VAR were both an absolute shambles.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on February 03, 2020, 10:43:06 AM
Thought that he looked reasonable when he came on yesterday, especially considering that he has been no where near the squad for a month for some reason. Obviously the game situation probably played a part but thought he did well.

Will obviously come in if Konsa is injured, but otherwise, I wouldn’t be opposed to seeing a back three of Konsa-Engles-Mings going forward.

Also, I imagine this has probably been covered elsewhere, but why wasn’t it a penalty when he got punched in the head by their keeper?

The only reason I can come up with is that both the ref and VAR were both an absolute shambles.

I've not seen much of the rest of the game, but there was that one from their keeper, and to me he also didn't look that interested in the ball when Samatta scored either.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Demitri_C on February 17, 2020, 09:50:41 AM
As much as his errors irritated me and loads of others im hoping he doesnt get cricified on his personal insta account. This caroline flack tragic story shows the effects that can happen by social media bullying.

Hopefully he has learnt a harsh lesson not to be so clumsy moving forward. Just keep it simple in future  👍
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Villan82 on February 17, 2020, 10:03:10 AM
I always liked a safety first, no-nonsense approach in central defence. I can't figure out if yesterday's error, and errors in a similar ball-park by other defenders, are individual errors or a symptom of a system that expects the defenders to be playing the ball out.

I wish he had just put his foot through the bloody ball!
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: colin69 on February 17, 2020, 11:33:49 AM
Thought Engels had a decent game for the most part but that mistake was not good enough. Imagine what Shaun Teale or McGrath would have done with it.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Flamingo Lane on February 17, 2020, 12:41:55 PM
As much as his errors irritated me and loads of others im hoping he doesnt get cricified on his personal insta account. This caroline flack tragic story shows the effects that can happen by social media bullying.

Hopefully he has learnt a harsh lesson not to be so clumsy moving forward. Just keep it simple in future  👍

Blimey.  Tune very much changed!
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 17, 2020, 12:44:56 PM
Do you mean don't say things like this on forums and social media?

Bottle job loser engels. A belgain international guve me a break. That was conference level. He fucking let us down badly.

Get rid of him in the summer add him to the othee shit we signed like wesley trez and drinkwater
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Flamingo Lane on February 17, 2020, 12:48:13 PM
I'm not sure how to do a quote from a different thread but 'should never play for us again' and 'absolute dick' were also especially supportive.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: in exile on February 17, 2020, 12:49:57 PM
Well spotted gentlemen.
The guy is obviously a knobhead
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 17, 2020, 12:54:41 PM
I like Engels, it was an aberration yesterday borne out of fatigue.
But he is a decent player.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 17, 2020, 12:56:40 PM
He looked broken at the end of the match and would imagine he'd have been still up at 4am replaying the error in his mind. Will be dropped for next match if Mings is o.k.

I think that's enough without abusing him further. Guy showed at the start of the season he had good potential as defender at this level. Dipped since then but I still have more confidence with him alongside Mings than Konsa or Hause. We actually haven't seen Mings and Engels as a combination starting since early November I think.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 17, 2020, 01:01:28 PM
He looked broken at the end of the match and would imagine he'd have been still up at 4am replaying the error in his mind. Will be dropped for next match if Mings is o.k.

I think that's enough without abusing him further. Guy showed at the start of the season he had good potential as defender at this level. Dipped since then but I still have more confidence with him alongside Mings than Konsa or Hause. We actually haven't seen Mings and Engels as a combination starting since early November I think.
I play them 2 and Konsa in front of them as holding midfielder.
You could then play Luiz and Makamba then Jack SJM and Samatta up front.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Risso on February 17, 2020, 01:08:15 PM
He should and probably will be dropped for Mings next game.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 17, 2020, 01:22:28 PM
He looked broken at the end of the match and would imagine he'd have been still up at 4am replaying the error in his mind. Will be dropped for next match if Mings is o.k.

I think that's enough without abusing him further. Guy showed at the start of the season he had good potential as defender at this level. Dipped since then but I still have more confidence with him alongside Mings than Konsa or Hause. We actually haven't seen Mings and Engels as a combination starting since early November I think.
I play them 2 and Konsa in front of them as holding midfielder.
You could then play Luiz and Makamba then Jack SJM and Samatta up front.

Don't see the fuss in Konsa. Hause getting a lot of stick atm. If he could actually learn to clear the ball quickly rather than messing about I'd have him as the third CB to give more strength in the air and overall balance.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on February 17, 2020, 01:25:42 PM
As much as his errors irritated me and loads of others im hoping he doesnt get cricified on his personal insta account. This caroline flack tragic story shows the effects that can happen by social media bullying.

Hopefully he has learnt a harsh lesson not to be so clumsy moving forward. Just keep it simple in future  👍


Quite stunned to read this today after the bile you posted about him yesterday  ::)

The guy shoold enver paly for us again. He has relegated us with that mistake the absolute dick
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on February 17, 2020, 01:57:55 PM
Mistake aside (and there's no-one out there who has never made 1 or many) Engels had a decent enough game, but was naive along with Konsa and Hause. I don't know if he's ever played at the centre of a back 3 before and obvs with so long out he's having to build match fitness up again.
The cover all the cbs were getting yesterday was non existent from Luiz, Drinkwater and Nakamba when he came on.
You could see how much scoring for Villa yesterday meant to him by his celebration in front of the Holte.
He will be a vital player for Villa in the remaining games either starting or off the bench.
Head up Bjorn! You'll get other moments to shine for Villa!
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: john e on February 17, 2020, 02:03:46 PM
I like Engels a lot he’s a decent footballer but prone to a mistake
he’s the least of my worries at the back the other two Hause and Konsa worry me far more

Engels and Mimgs are the best central defenders we have both should play when fit imo
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Demitri_C on February 17, 2020, 02:07:04 PM
Do you mean don't say things like this on forums and social media?

Bottle job loser engels. A belgain international guve me a break. That was conference level. He fucking let us down badly.

Get rid of him in the summer add him to the othee shit we signed like wesley trez and drinkwater

I was angry but i dont go on their personal social media and start abusing them. Big difference but nice try.

As much as his errors irritated me and loads of others im hoping he doesnt get cricified on his personal insta account. This caroline flack tragic story shows the effects that can happen by social media bullying.

Hopefully he has learnt a harsh lesson not to be so clumsy moving forward. Just keep it simple in future  👍


Quite stunned to read this today after the bile you posted about him yesterday  ::)

The guy shoold enver paly for us again. He has relegated us with that mistake the absolute dick

Your stunned to read that i am admitting i was wrong? Your telling me no one has ever been pissed off amd had time to reflect and realose its wrong.

Think its pretty sad that people have to dig up posts to prove a point
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on February 17, 2020, 02:08:54 PM
Very few people ever post on here with such vitriol.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Demitri_C on February 17, 2020, 02:10:07 PM
Well spotted gentlemen.
The guy is obviously a knobhead

So you prove your point by insulting someone? Dont ever call me a knobhead again . Got it?
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 17, 2020, 02:13:39 PM
I would still pick Engels over Hause once Mings comes back. Konsa on the right of the three. None of them are immune to errors.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Demitri_C on February 17, 2020, 02:13:54 PM
Very few people ever post on here with such vitriol.

Well spotted gentlemen.
The guy is obviously a knobhead

Yeah just like this guy
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: dave.woodhall on February 17, 2020, 02:18:01 PM
Well spotted gentlemen.
The guy is obviously a knobhead

So you prove your point by insulting someone? Dont ever call me a knobhead again . Got it?

Leave the moderating to the moderators, and the threats somewhere else.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Demitri_C on February 17, 2020, 03:09:11 PM
Well spotted gentlemen.
The guy is obviously a knobhead

So you prove your point by insulting someone? Dont ever call me a knobhead again . Got it?

Leave the moderating to the moderators, and the threats somewhere else.

Where have i threatened anyone?  And why have  you not deleted that post? Its blatent name calling bullying on another poster?

Can you delete it. Thanks
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on February 17, 2020, 03:34:10 PM


You can't really call a player a dick and then moan when someone calls you a knobhead in reply surely?



Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on February 17, 2020, 04:07:26 PM
Well spotted gentlemen.
The guy is obviously a knobhead

So you prove your point by insulting someone? Dont ever call me a knobhead again . Got it?
Stop acting like one then!
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: dave.woodhall on February 17, 2020, 04:33:57 PM
Well spotted gentlemen.
The guy is obviously a knobhead

So you prove your point by insulting someone? Dont ever call me a knobhead again . Got it?
Stop acting like one then!

Okay everybody, let's hold it right there.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Demitri_C on February 17, 2020, 04:34:10 PM


You can't really call a player a dick and then moan when someone calls you a knobhead in reply surely?

Wow really so its ok for me to call you a clown then? Of course it isnt.

I find ut unbelievable people are supporting this kind of behaviour.
Well spotted gentlemen.
The guy is obviously a knobhead

So you prove your point by insulting someone? Dont ever call me a knobhead again . Got it?
Stop acting like one then!

I can say the same for you. If you have nothing prodcutive to aay then just zip it you bully
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Chipsticks on February 17, 2020, 04:35:45 PM


You can't really call a player a dick and then moan when someone calls you a knobhead in reply surely?

Wow really so its ok for me to call you a clown then? Of course it isnt.

I find ut unbelievable people are supporting this kind of behaviour.
Well spotted gentlemen.
The guy is obviously a knobhead

So you prove your point by insulting someone? Dont ever call me a knobhead again . Got it?
Stop acting like one then!

I can say the same for you. If you have nothing prodcutive to aay then just zip it you bully

State of this
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Demitri_C on February 17, 2020, 04:40:19 PM
To take this back to subject. Engels i hope you havent taken notice of comments made yesterday from people crucifying you. Myself included i was wrong . Your only human i was just really angry at the end and my emotions took other but thats no excuse. I shouldnr be venting jn the aay i did on a forum.

Anyway we all love villa lets just move on to Southampton.  Im not interested in anymore insults just to discuss the club i love.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: BoVillan esq on February 17, 2020, 09:48:03 PM
Its impossible to blame everything on the mistake of one player, every player in the club is now under huge pressure, this is the classic, playing in a side under the threat of relegation, some blokes simply can't function with that pressure, hate playing football that way, my bet is we will see more and more errors like this in the coming weeks, all we can do is hope it won't be that costly, on this occasion it happened to a player that was our last man scenario before the goal, and breathing down his neck was a Juggernaut like Son, wouldn't want to be him ( Engles).     
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: brontebilly on February 17, 2020, 10:18:19 PM
Awful mistake aside, I thought Hause was a little sluggish getting back too. Don't think Mings would have let Son finish with relative ease using his right foot.

Engels was at fault for two goals yesterday but would still prefer him to Hause and Mings on the left of the three.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: aj2k77 on February 18, 2020, 12:35:25 AM
Two goals he was at fault with. As good as his play was otherwise, that's a poor game.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on February 18, 2020, 07:02:44 AM
Two goals he was at fault with. As good as his play was otherwise, that's a poor game.

With goal after goal after goal that we concede, one can point at an individual on the pitch and say 'you fucked up there'. And it's not like we're talking about the finer points of the defensive arts, it's stuff like weak and misplaced passes and headers gifting back possession in critical areas, pathetic attempts at clearances, missed tackles, and dallying on the ball.
Every goal on Sunday was stoppable with just the tiniest individual betterment.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Aldridge Villa on February 18, 2020, 07:53:36 AM
Pre match was delighted he was back in the fold. That’s still my sentiment post match despite you know what.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Risso on February 18, 2020, 09:24:22 AM
To be honest, Luiz's miss was every bit as bad as Engels' mistake. 
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 18, 2020, 10:44:42 AM
To be honest, Luiz's miss was every bit as bad as Engels' mistake.
It was a shocker, showed all of the control  of a one legged man at an arse kicking contest.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: ktvillan on February 18, 2020, 11:08:10 AM
Two goals he was at fault with. As good as his play was otherwise, that's a poor game.

Indeed.  I said elsewhere, it's like saying Lorus Karius played well for Liverpool in the CL final before last apart from the two goals he gifted to Madrid.  One mistake you can accept, but he made two glaring errors that both led to goals. 

Elphick would regularly have a generally decent game but drop a bollock to concede and he got pelters for it. 

Not sure why Engels is defended so much, it's not the first time he's been at fault when we've conceded goals either - see Arsenal away, and wasn't it him looking like he was running through deep water trying to catch Vardy in the Leicester debacle?  Compare and contrast to some people vilifying Drinkwater, with one person even trying to blame him for both first half goals.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: LeeB on February 18, 2020, 11:19:17 AM
Two goals he was at fault with. As good as his play was otherwise, that's a poor game.

Indeed.  I said elsewhere, it's like saying Lorus Karius played well for Liverpool in the CL final before last apart from the two goals he gifted to Madrid.  One mistake you can accept, but he made two glaring errors that both led to goals. 

Elphick would regularly have a generally decent game but drop a bollock to concede and he got pelters for it. 

Not sure why Engels is defended so much, it's not the first time he's been at fault when we've conceded goals either - see Arsenal away, and wasn't it him looking like he was running through deep water trying to catch Vardy in the Leicester debacle?  Compare and contrast to some people vilifying Drinkwater, with one person even trying to blame him for both first half goals.

He made Shane Long look like Ben Johnson as well.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: ktvillan on February 18, 2020, 06:45:28 PM
Yes Long that's the one I was thinking of, not Vardy.  And I don't think Long is noted for being especially quick either.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: nigel on February 19, 2020, 08:22:41 AM
To be honest, Luiz's miss was every bit as bad as Engels' mistake.

I actually felt sorry for Luiz.
Great contact, keeper just throws himself and gets lucky.
If only he’d taken a leaf out of Peter Withe’s book and shinned it
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Mister E on February 19, 2020, 08:27:08 AM
To be honest, Luiz's miss was every bit as bad as Engels' mistake.

I actually felt sorry for Luiz.
Great contact, keeper just throws himself and gets lucky.
If only he’d taken a leaf out of Peter Withe’s book and shinned it
Agreed - the defneder got across very smartly too.
I'd suggest that Luiz looked slightly complacent about it, but he was thwarted by the defensive effort.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: AV82EC on February 19, 2020, 08:43:16 AM
To be honest, Luiz's miss was every bit as bad as Engels' mistake.

I actually felt sorry for Luiz.
Great contact, keeper just throws himself and gets lucky.
If only he’d taken a leaf out of Peter Withe’s book and shinned it
Agreed - the defneder got across very smartly too.
I'd suggest that Luiz looked slightly complacent about it, but he was thwarted by the defensive effort.

It was a shame he couldn’t have done what he did against Watford and smacked it in the roof of the net.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: The Edge on February 19, 2020, 09:43:03 AM
Our defence has been found wanting on a few occasions so far this season. Our goals conceded record is relegation form i'm afraid. Individual errors like.Engels for Spurs winner have blighted us all season long. When you watch Engels chasing a nippy striker you know it stands a good chance of ending badly. Somethings not right with his running style, a bit like Guilbert, it's as if he can't open up into a full stride. That lack of pace ultimately caused his mistimed tackle for the pen. Which brings me to mention Reinas save. Why wer'e the Spurs players onto the rebound like a flash while our players (with one exception, i think it was Engels) just stood and watched? I found that very odd. If they didn't get the hair dryer treatment for that at half time that then they damn well should have.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Demitri_C on February 19, 2020, 09:51:28 AM
To be honest, Luiz's miss was every bit as bad as Engels' mistake.

I actually felt sorry for Luiz.
Great contact, keeper just throws himself and gets lucky.
If only he’d taken a leaf out of Peter Withe’s book and shinned it

So doni. Keeper got lucky.i am more angry at trezuget for not putting luiz through and being greddy with that horrible attempt by him.

Rely dont rate trez. Think he is a pretty average player and makes so many poor decisons in games.

When i saw the way that dutch player spurs had used his pace to cause us problems compared to trez who is quick as him shows you the level of the players.

Trez is woeful and i would get rid of him in the summer.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: FatSam on February 19, 2020, 10:14:49 AM
Not sure why Engels is defended so much, it's not the first time he's been at fault when we've conceded goals either - see Arsenal away, and wasn't it him looking like he was running through deep water trying to catch Vardy in the Leicester debacle?  Compare and contrast to some people vilifying Drinkwater, with one person even trying to blame him for both first half goals.

Reasons might include him being our player, relatively young, in his first season in the league, and still on less money than the 1/2 salary we are paying Drinky.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 19, 2020, 10:29:09 AM
To be honest, Luiz's miss was every bit as bad as Engels' mistake.

I actually felt sorry for Luiz.
Great contact, keeper just throws himself and gets lucky.
If only he’d taken a leaf out of Peter Withe’s book and shinned it
Agreed - the defneder got across very smartly too.
I'd suggest that Luiz looked slightly complacent about it, but he was thwarted by the defensive effort.

It was a shame he couldn’t have done what he did against Watford and smacked it in the roof of the net.
He had plenty of time, he could have taken a touch, he smacked it at the Centre of the goal. Awful effort and a massive miss in the context of the game, Nil points.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Bren'd on February 19, 2020, 10:38:40 AM
To be honest, Luiz's miss was every bit as bad as Engels' mistake.

I actually felt sorry for Luiz.
Great contact, keeper just throws himself and gets lucky.
If only he’d taken a leaf out of Peter Withe’s book and shinned it

It's not though is it?  He should have scored if he'd composed himself better but he did hit the target. Engels had time to either control the ball differently, trap the ball correctly like he attempted or put his foot right through it and land it near the Spurs area with snow on it (my preferred choice).
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: garyshawsknee on February 19, 2020, 10:43:18 AM
I'd put Trezeguets greed higher up the list of reasons to boil my piss than Luiz's miss, was never gonna get a shot on target, the tube.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: dcdavecollett on February 19, 2020, 07:05:08 PM
Luiz aimed for the wrong half of the goal.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Demitri_C on February 19, 2020, 09:06:46 PM
I'd put Trezeguets greed higher up the list of reasons to boil my piss than Luiz's miss, was never gonna get a shot on target, the tube.

Spot on i agree with that  whole heartingly
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: brontebilly on February 19, 2020, 10:06:47 PM
Trez was brutal for that, Luiz breaking into space on the right ahead of him. So selfish.

Luiz did miss a sitter, score that and we go onto win .

Small margins perhaps but we still never really seem in control in most games. The team is poorly organised tactically let's be honest, we get caught on the counter attack constantly.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: ktvillan on February 20, 2020, 12:11:19 AM
Not sure why Engels is defended so much, it's not the first time he's been at fault when we've conceded goals either - see Arsenal away, and wasn't it him looking like he was running through deep water trying to catch Vardy in the Leicester debacle?  Compare and contrast to some people vilifying Drinkwater, with one person even trying to blame him for both first half goals.

Reasons might include him being our player, relatively young, in his first season in the league, and still on less money than the 1/2 salary we are paying Drinky.

Engels is 25 so let's not pretend he's a raw youth.  They are all our players while they are in our shirts  and on the pitch.  Not sure why you would think being on loan would be a good reason for it being open season re criticism.    Comparative wages are irrelevant even assuming you know how much each of them is getting from Villa.  I have no idea and don't really care.    None of the above excuses two glaring errors that threw the game away, compared to the vilification Drinkwater is getting. 
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: ktvillan on February 20, 2020, 12:14:28 AM
To be honest, Luiz's miss was every bit as bad as Engels' mistake.

I actually felt sorry for Luiz.
Great contact, keeper just throws himself and gets lucky.
If only he’d taken a leaf out of Peter Withe’s book and shinned it

So doni. Keeper got lucky.i am more angry at trezuget for not putting luiz through and being greddy with that horrible attempt by him.

Rely dont rate trez. Think he is a pretty average player and makes so many poor decisons in games.

When i saw the way that dutch player spurs had used his pace to cause us problems compared to trez who is quick as him shows you the level of the players.

Trez is woeful and i would get rid of him in the summer.

If there is one signing that does deserve incredulity it is Trezeguet.  He's manage to, literally,  scuff a couple of goals but otherwise I am baffled by what he's supposed to be or supposed to offer. 
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: FatSam on February 20, 2020, 12:39:44 AM
Engels is 25 so let's not pretend he's a raw youth.  They are all our players while they are in our shirts  and on the pitch.  Not sure why you would think being on loan would be a good reason for it being open season re criticism.    Comparative wages are irrelevant even assuming you know how much each of them is getting from Villa.  I have no idea and don't really care.    None of the above excuses two glaring errors that threw the game away, compared to the vilification Drinkwater is getting.

I was just offering some potential reasons why Engels might come in for less criticism relative to Drinky. You obviously don’t think any of them are valid. That’s fine.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: FatSam on February 20, 2020, 12:48:33 AM
If there is one signing that does deserve incredulity it is Trezeguet.  He's manage to, literally,  scuff a couple of goals but otherwise I am baffled by what he's supposed to be or supposed to offer.

Agreed. I remember watching him play for Egypt at the WC in Russia and thinking he looked very limited. I was hoping the relatively low transfer fee indicated that he was young and raw with room for improvement, but now I’m fairly sure that he is just very limited. His goal against Leicester was obviously memorable, but his decision making and technique are generally poor.

It may be that Suso et al were under no allusions about this, but when you are forced to buy virtually a whole squad in one window, there just is a limit to how much money can be spent.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Demitri_C on February 20, 2020, 06:33:10 AM
To be honest, Luiz's miss was every bit as bad as Engels' mistake.

I actually felt sorry for Luiz.
Great contact, keeper just throws himself and gets lucky.
If only he’d taken a leaf out of Peter Withe’s book and shinned it

So doni. Keeper got lucky.i am more angry at trezuget for not putting luiz through and being greddy with that horrible attempt by him.

Rely dont rate trez. Think he is a pretty average player and makes so many poor decisons in games.

When i saw the way that dutch player spurs had used his pace to cause us problems compared to trez who is quick as him shows you the level of the players.

Trez is woeful and i would get rid of him in the summer.

If there is one signing that does deserve incredulity it is Trezeguet.  He's manage to, literally,  scuff a couple of goals but otherwise I am baffled by what he's supposed to be or supposed to offer.

Yeah I don’t see it either. Fir a guy so quick he offers very very little. Doesn’t use his pace to trouble defenders much. He would be the first person I’d sell come summer. Isn’t suited for this league I am afraid.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: The Edge on February 20, 2020, 07:28:31 AM
To be honest, Luiz's miss was every bit as bad as Engels' mistake.

I actually felt sorry for Luiz.
Great contact, keeper just throws himself and gets lucky.
If only he’d taken a leaf out of Peter Withe’s book and shinned it

So doni. Keeper got lucky.i am more angry at trezuget for not putting luiz through and being greddy with that horrible attempt by him.

Rely dont rate trez. Think he is a pretty average player and makes so many poor decisons in games.

When i saw the way that dutch player spurs had used his pace to cause us problems compared to trez who is quick as him shows you the level of the players.

Trez is woeful and i would get rid of him in the summer.

If there is one signing that does deserve incredulity it is Trezeguet.  He's manage to, literally,  scuff a couple of goals but otherwise I am baffled by what he's supposed to be or supposed to offer.
I wouldn't call his last minute winner in the semi final a scuff.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: TheMalandro on February 20, 2020, 07:56:32 AM
To be honest, Luiz's miss was every bit as bad as Engels' mistake.

I actually felt sorry for Luiz.
Great contact, keeper just throws himself and gets lucky.
If only he’d taken a leaf out of Peter Withe’s book and shinned it

So doni. Keeper got lucky.i am more angry at trezuget for not putting luiz through and being greddy with that horrible attempt by him.

Rely dont rate trez. Think he is a pretty average player and makes so many poor decisons in games.

When i saw the way that dutch player spurs had used his pace to cause us problems compared to trez who is quick as him shows you the level of the players.

Trez is woeful and i would get rid of him in the summer.

If there is one signing that does deserve incredulity it is Trezeguet.  He's manage to, literally,  scuff a couple of goals but otherwise I am baffled by what he's supposed to be or supposed to offer.
I wouldn't call his last minute winner in the semi final a scuff.

I watched it back a few days ago, it was a much better goal than I thought at the time.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: The Edge on February 20, 2020, 08:56:03 AM
To be honest, Luiz's miss was every bit as bad as Engels' mistake.

I actually felt sorry for Luiz.
Great contact, keeper just throws himself and gets lucky.
If only he’d taken a leaf out of Peter Withe’s book and shinned it

So doni. Keeper got lucky.i am more angry at trezuget for not putting luiz through and being greddy with that horrible attempt by him.

Rely dont rate trez. Think he is a pretty average player and makes so many poor decisons in games.

When i saw the way that dutch player spurs had used his pace to cause us problems compared to trez who is quick as him shows you the level of the players.

Trez is woeful and i would get rid of him in the summer.

If there is one signing that does deserve incredulity it is Trezeguet.  He's manage to, literally,  scuff a couple of goals but otherwise I am baffled by what he's supposed to be or supposed to offer.
I wouldn't call his last minute winner in the semi final a scuff.

I watched it back a few days ago, it was a much better goal than I thought at the time.
Same. The absolute pandemomium around me meant a proper view of the goal was impossible. But i went home and watched it about 6 times just to relive the moment!
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: tomd2103 on February 20, 2020, 09:37:12 AM
Back to Engels, I just don't think he has the pace to play in  back three.  Maybe in a deep defending back four where he has cover, but playing in a back three means he will have to cover quite a bit of space and he just doesn't look like he has the legs to do it.  We looked in trouble anytime the ball went in behind him against Spurs.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Demitri_C on February 21, 2020, 09:19:49 AM
Back to Engels, I just don't think he has the pace to play in  back three.  Maybe in a deep defending back four where he has cover, but playing in a back three means he will have to cover quite a bit of space and he just doesn't look like he has the legs to do it.  We looked in trouble anytime the ball went in behind him against Spurs.

I agree. Looked so much better in a 4 at the back with mings. Problem is konsa has done well so you cant drop him

Hause i think is pretty shit tbh.  Think engels is a better a than hause overall. If engels had oace he would be a awesome cb
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: themossman on February 21, 2020, 09:55:17 AM
Isn’t Engels actually very quick? I’m sure I’ve seen that stat. Or is that fake news?
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Risso on February 21, 2020, 10:31:42 AM
There was the stat on here that said he'd been recorded as one of the quickest players in the Premier League.  That doesn't chime with what I watch on the pitch, as he gets outpaced time and time again.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: paul_e on February 21, 2020, 10:34:27 AM
I wouldn't say quick but I also don't think he's as slow as some people are making him out to be. He's been burned by a couple of the quickest players in the league, just like most other centre halves.

On Hause, I don't really get why so many people have decided he's so shit, he needs to work on his distribution, that's fair, but defensively he's pretty solid, he wins most things in the air and he does a lot of work covering behind Targett if the latter gets caught up field (which is expected with how far forward he gets). I have no great complaints about any of our centre backs other than they need to get rid of the lapses in concentration which lead to errors.

Our poor defensive record has 3 main factors:
1- the midfield is far too open and we give too much space to good players in there.
2- we're a mess defending set-pieces, especially corners, we don't have players on the posts and we don't track runners well enough.
3- this is less of an issue since the formation change but we get too narrow at the far post and can be very vulnerable to the cross-field passes.

All 3 are, for me, organisational problems and need to be addressed by coaches, of all the complaints people have about Smith this is the one, for me, that is holding him back from being a very good manager.
Title: Re: Bjorn Engels - Confirmed
Post by: Demitri_C on February 21, 2020, 11:42:32 AM
There was the stat on here that said he'd been recorded as one of the quickest players in the Premier League.  That doesn't chime with what I watch on the pitch, as he gets outpaced time and time again.

Really ? Thats crazy. Konsa looks a lot quicker than him
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