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Title: Ezri Konsa - Aston Villa & England
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 10, 2019, 05:13:02 PM
Percy now reporting this deal will be complete in 24 hours while a London Evening Standard reporter suggesting it’s pretty much done

https://twitter.com/telefootball/status/1148981353121222657?s=12

Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - almost signed
Post by: garyshawsknee on July 10, 2019, 05:15:56 PM
Easy there TV, I still remember Bryan from last summer !!
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - almost signed
Post by: KRS on July 10, 2019, 05:19:17 PM
A centre back who’s weakness is heading? 🤔
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - almost signed
Post by: Chipsticks on July 10, 2019, 05:21:09 PM
He's currently in the England U21 set-up, which is making me quite optimistic.

From what I can gather from my mates who support Brentford, seems a similar player to Tuanzebe (athletic, good with the ball at his feet etc).
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - almost signed
Post by: frank black on July 10, 2019, 05:22:25 PM
A centre back who’s weakness is heading? 🤔

Bit short for CB at 6ft. Let’s hope he’s a bit of a Des Walker
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - almost signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 10, 2019, 05:26:36 PM
Never heard of him, but hope he’s good.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - almost signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 10, 2019, 05:33:12 PM
A centre back who’s weakness is heading? 🤔

Yeh I laughed at that too. I imagine it’s more it’s something he needs to continue to improve. At 20 he has room to grow and develop. I do hope he’s being brought in as potential starter but in reality a longer term option. If we get AT back or actually even Cahill then this becomes an even better signing.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - almost signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 10, 2019, 05:34:10 PM
Easy there TV, I still remember Bryan from last summer !!

I know mate. But hopefully there aren’t too many bell ends out there like back in the Championship Joe
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - almost signed
Post by: Ads on July 10, 2019, 05:36:57 PM
He looks a bit good.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - almost signed
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on July 10, 2019, 05:41:31 PM
I’ll have watched Brentford as many times as they’ll have been on the box, and I couldn’t say a thing about him except Dean must want him so he must be OK.

Rightly or wrongly, what it does suggest to me is that they don’t think Chester is likely to be up to this league any time soon (or ever). Which would be a great shame.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - almost signed
Post by: jwarry on July 10, 2019, 05:42:07 PM
A centre back who’s weakness is heading? 🤔

Bit short for CB at 6ft. Let’s hope he’s a bit of a Des Walker

That’s the way the game is changing through. There aren’t many big CF fuckers in the PL these days
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - almost signed
Post by: eamonn on July 10, 2019, 05:44:30 PM
Who? Must be switching codes after being knocked out of Wimbledon again.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - almost signed
Post by: glinch on July 10, 2019, 05:47:20 PM
He looks like Carlos Alberto in that YouTube video, sign him up!!
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - almost signed
Post by: paul_e on July 10, 2019, 05:55:50 PM
From those highlights he reads the game really well, has a good touch, can pass and has some pace, I particularly like the fact that he doesn't seem to have to make all that many tackles (he tends to nip in front and intercept or take the ball away), for me that's the sign of a good centre back.  Well happy with this one and I reckon he could do a job as a holding midfielder at a push as well.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - almost signed
Post by: manic-road on July 10, 2019, 06:04:37 PM
If he signs Dean Smith will improve him, I'd rather us signing a young player who the boss can develop rather than the likes of Cahill who is looking for one last large pay day.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - almost signed
Post by: garyshawsknee on July 10, 2019, 06:05:50 PM
Easy there TV, I still remember Bryan from last summer !!

I know mate. But hopefully there aren’t too many bell ends out there like back in the Championship Joe

You're right, unless Bruce leaves Sheff Wed !!
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - almost signed
Post by: danno on July 10, 2019, 06:07:52 PM
If he signs Dean Smith will improve him, I'd rather us signing a young player who the boss can develop rather than the likes of Cahill who is looking for one last large pay day

Like Terry was?  😀 I mean yeah Fair enough he might well be, but you never know he might also just be looking for first team football again too.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - almost signed
Post by: Brassneck on July 10, 2019, 06:10:32 PM
A centre back who’s weakness is heading? 🤔

Yeh I laughed at that too. I imagine it’s more it’s something he needs to continue to improve. At 20 he has room to grow and develop. I do hope he’s being brought in as potential starter but in reality a longer term option. If we get AT back or actually even Cahill then this becomes an even better signing.

Same age as AT, played more than twice as many league games and more or less the same amount of England youth games.  Surely we don't have room for both?

In my eyes, the need to develop AT for Man U has decreased further on the back of this signing.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - almost signed
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 10, 2019, 06:13:19 PM
Never heard of him.  Hope he's good.  Will wait and see.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - almost signed
Post by: chrisw1 on July 10, 2019, 06:15:12 PM
Never heard of him.  Hope he's good.  Will wait and see.
Odd isn't it.  Looks good, but has flown completely beneath most peoples radar.

Anyway, lets hope he's a star.  And Bristol can suck my balls for their £30m.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - almost signed
Post by: clash city rocker on July 10, 2019, 06:30:45 PM
Never heard of him.  Hope he's good.  Will wait and see.
Odd isn't it.  Looks good, but has flown completely beneath most peoples radar.

Anyway, lets hope he's a star.  And Bristol can suck my balls for their £30m.

Sorry Chris but even for £30m I wouldn't do that. Nothing personal...!
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - almost signed
Post by: Brend'Watkins on July 10, 2019, 06:36:03 PM
Like the look of him from that vid’

This signing players who appear very comfortable on the ball is not the Aston Villa way. What’s going on?
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - almost signed
Post by: TheMalandro on July 10, 2019, 06:37:45 PM
Never heard of him.  Hope he's good.  Will wait and see.
Odd isn't it.  Looks good, but has flown completely beneath most peoples radar.

Anyway, lets hope he's a star.  And Bristol can suck my balls for their £30m.

Sorry Chris but even for £30m I wouldn't do that. Nothing personal...!
Never heard of him.  Hope he's good.  Will wait and see.
Odd isn't it.  Looks good, but has flown completely beneath most peoples radar.

Anyway, lets hope he's a star.  And Bristol can suck my balls for their £30m.

Sorry Chris but even for £30m I wouldn't do that. Nothing personal...!

Thirty Million! I'd suck Farage's balls!
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - almost signed
Post by: Goldie.7 on July 10, 2019, 06:50:09 PM
I remember big Kodjia dazzling this guy up to equalise for us.

https://youtu.be/Y_sJHQssANk?t=275
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - almost signed
Post by: chrisw1 on July 10, 2019, 06:54:17 PM
To be fair on the you tube show reel he looks very cool, calm and decent on the ball.  Quick too.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - almost signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 10, 2019, 06:55:41 PM
That’s like pointing out that John Carew made mince meat out of a young Gary Cahill at VP vs Bolton. Young defenders have to learn and it’s almost inevitable that an experienced and talented forward will take advantage of naivety at some point in their development.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - almost signed
Post by: Nii Lamptey on July 10, 2019, 06:58:46 PM
These are the best kind of signings.... Huge prospect, England u21 international, and totally out of the blue!
Hope this one comes off - Could have the future England centre back pairing in our midst!  :D
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - almost signed
Post by: badminton on July 10, 2019, 07:04:38 PM
There's room for improvement and he has a lot of potential but at the moment I'd say he's way off being PL quality. Defensively weak from set-pieces and lacks concentration at times, although very tidy for a defender with the ball at his feet bringing the ball out from the back. £12m is a lot for a player who was only £2.5m a year ago coming off the back of an iffy season in the Championship.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - almost signed
Post by: ktvillan on July 10, 2019, 07:13:35 PM
Height and heading weren't particularly strong points for Tuanzebe either.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - almost signed
Post by: badminton on July 10, 2019, 07:18:43 PM
It's more the marking and staying with a man that Konsa struggles with. Gets caught ball-watching a fair bit.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - almost signed
Post by: andyh on July 10, 2019, 07:25:03 PM
If Konsa signs, do we think that’s the end of our interest in Axel?
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - almost signed
Post by: KRS on July 10, 2019, 07:29:24 PM
Probably depends on the fitness of Chester as we'd have 4 CBs (Chester, Mings, Hause and Konsa). I'd have every confidence in Mings and Hause but question marks over Chester and Konsa (even though he looks tidy on the ball), so I'd rather we pursue Axel if he's still an option to bring in on loan.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - almost signed
Post by: john2710 on July 10, 2019, 07:32:16 PM
I’ll have watched Brentford as many times as they’ll have been on the box, and I couldn’t say a thing about him except Dean must want him so he must be OK.

Rightly or wrongly, what it does suggest to me is that they don’t think Chester is likely to be up to this league any time soon (or ever). Which would be a great shame.

I suspect he's being signed as backup to Chester, rather than first choice. Don't write Chester off yet...
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - almost signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 10, 2019, 07:41:26 PM
I think we are done for centre halves of this happens.  Mings this lad Chester and Hause.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - almost signed
Post by: dave shelley on July 10, 2019, 07:43:24 PM
As much as I like Chester and admire his willingness to play through the pain barrier at serious risk to his health, I would hope Konsa is being seen as an improvement.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - almost signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 10, 2019, 07:44:02 PM
I would hope that we still go after one more right sided CB who is fit like AT or Cahill.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - almost signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 10, 2019, 07:49:49 PM
If Konsa signs, do we think that’s the end of our interest in Axel?


Difficult to see us being able to carry five CBs unless Hause is going to be used solely as a LB next season so I'd say yes.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - almost signed
Post by: Matt C on July 10, 2019, 07:54:09 PM
Unless Smith is considering playing three centre halves.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - almost signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2019, 08:04:31 PM
£12m, though.

Crikey. One season at Brentford and he's gone from £1m to £12m?
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - almost signed
Post by: Villafirst on July 10, 2019, 08:08:32 PM
I think we are done for centre halves of this happens.  Mings this lad Chester and Hause.
I think we are done for centre halves of this happens.  Mings this lad Chester and Hause.

Disagree,  need 5 altogether to replace Elphick and Tuanzebe. Question mark over Chester with his knee problem.  Tuanzebe hopefully on loan and Cahill would do it.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - almost signed
Post by: Villafirst on July 10, 2019, 08:10:41 PM
£12m, though.

Inflated Premier League price through a massive increase in TV revenue. The PL is way different to 3 years ago.
Crikey. One season at Brentford and he's gone from £1m to £12m?
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - almost signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2019, 08:11:28 PM
£12m, though.

Inflated Premier League price through a massive increase in TV revenue. The PL is way different to 3 years ago.
Crikey. One season at Brentford and he's gone from £1m to £12m?

Shop elsewhere, possibly?
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - almost signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 10, 2019, 08:17:53 PM
£12m, though.

Inflated Premier League price through a massive increase in TV revenue. The PL is way different to 3 years ago.
Crikey. One season at Brentford and he's gone from £1m to £12m?

Shop elsewhere, possibly?

The thing about Brentford is they tend to sign really quite good footballers more often than not. I would be happy to act as the club's intermediary given my proximity to the place. But they never call. They just don't call. It's sad.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - almost signed
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 10, 2019, 08:29:08 PM
£12m, though.

Inflated Premier League price through a massive increase in TV revenue. The PL is way different to 3 years ago.
Crikey. One season at Brentford and he's gone from £1m to £12m?

Shop elsewhere, possibly?
Now that's just crazy talk.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - almost signed
Post by: Brassneck on July 10, 2019, 08:32:12 PM
£12m, though.

Crikey. One season at Brentford and he's gone from £1m to £12m?

It's a buy out clause - It would have been implemented at the time he signed for Brentford 12 months ago.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - almost signed
Post by: Damo70 on July 10, 2019, 08:41:28 PM
A centre back who’s weakness is heading? 🤔

Bit short for CB at 6ft. Let’s hope he’s a bit of a Des Walker

That’s the way the game is changing through. There aren’t many big CF fuckers in the PL these days


He will have a big f*cker of a centre half playing alongside him ;) I see Konsa started at Senrab. I think a lot of London players have come through their ranks. lee Bowyer springs to mind.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - almost signed
Post by: Ger Regan on July 10, 2019, 08:47:16 PM
As did Ugo, wikipedia (un)reliably informs me.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - almost signed
Post by: eamonn on July 10, 2019, 08:47:47 PM
Jlloyd too?
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - almost signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 10, 2019, 08:48:39 PM
Also Terry and Defoe.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - almost signed
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on July 10, 2019, 08:49:24 PM
A centre back who’s weakness is heading? 🤔

Bit short for CB at 6ft. Let’s hope he’s a bit of a Des Walker

That’s the way the game is changing through. There aren’t many big CF fuckers in the PL these days


He will have a big f*cker of a centre half playing alongside him ;) I see Konsa started at Senrab. I think a lot of London players have come through their ranks. lee Bowyer springs to mind.

And our own Ugo and JLloyd I believe. Bless 'em.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - almost signed
Post by: LeeB on July 10, 2019, 08:49:45 PM
And John Terry.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - almost signed
Post by: Big Dick Edwards on July 10, 2019, 08:51:28 PM
I love and hate YouTube compilations in equal measure. This guy looks sensational.

As did Traore..
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - almost signed
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on July 10, 2019, 08:54:17 PM
If we’re also still after Axel or Cahill, I wonder if there’s a possibility we’ll play 3 centre backs next season and give 3-5-2 a try.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - almost signed
Post by: ozzjim on July 10, 2019, 08:57:38 PM
He looks a top prospect. Would not be shocked to see him start at right back or holding midfield some weeks too. I would still sign Cahill if we had the budget to do so to cover ourselves and add some experience, but we shall see.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - almost signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 10, 2019, 08:58:57 PM
Also Terry and Defoe.

And John Terry.

Absolute scum.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - almost signed
Post by: olaftab on July 10, 2019, 09:06:06 PM
I like the name.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - almost signed
Post by: olaftab on July 10, 2019, 09:08:54 PM
A centre back who’s weakness is heading? 🤔
I know a plumber who hates wet places. Best man to fix the issue.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - almost signed
Post by: Pat McMahon on July 10, 2019, 09:51:29 PM
A centre back who’s weakness is heading? 🤔
I know a plumber who hates wet places. Best man to fix the issue.

:)
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - almost signed
Post by: old man villa fan on July 10, 2019, 09:56:40 PM
It's more the marking and staying with a man that Konsa struggles with. Gets caught ball-watching a fair bit.

From that video I wouldn't say he gets caught ball-watching.  Just the opposite with the way he steps in ahead of his player.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - almost signed
Post by: DrGonzo on July 10, 2019, 10:13:30 PM
McGrath often looked out of position...until the ball magically appeared at his feet/on his forehead.  Obviously I'm not comparing their abilities I know nothing of this lad, I can just remember my uncle telling me one afternoon "Just wait it'll drop to him any second..."
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - almost signed
Post by: cdward on July 10, 2019, 10:17:16 PM
I like the name.
Sink a Zero (anagram)
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - almost signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 10, 2019, 10:19:35 PM
Have we ever had a player with a Z in his name?
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - almost signed
Post by: Axl Rose on July 10, 2019, 10:21:54 PM
Zat Knight is the only one I can think of at the moment.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - almost signed
Post by: itbrvilla on July 10, 2019, 10:22:08 PM
Have we ever had a player with a Z in his name?
Zat Knight
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - almost signed
Post by: Concrete John on July 10, 2019, 10:24:10 PM
Anwar El Ghazi.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - almost signed
Post by: Monty on July 10, 2019, 10:24:28 PM
Tuanzebe?
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - almost signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 10, 2019, 10:28:29 PM
Fuck me, LOL I’m shit.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - almost signed
Post by: Axl Rose on July 10, 2019, 10:29:11 PM
Boaz Myhill and Zoltan Stieber. Also Kozak, Dariusz Kubicki and Der Hammer
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - almost signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 10, 2019, 10:29:39 PM
Other than them is what I meant obviously.

#gregnashfacepalm
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - almost signed
Post by: Axl Rose on July 10, 2019, 10:30:06 PM
Other than them is what I meant obviously.

Haha!
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - almost signed
Post by: FailsworthVillan on July 10, 2019, 10:30:43 PM
Brad Guzan
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - almost signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 10, 2019, 10:31:27 PM
Zog
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - almost signed
Post by: Smirker on July 10, 2019, 10:32:41 PM
Wow I remember Libor Kozak. His goal at Southampton that night we trolled our way to three points was great.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - almost signed
Post by: andyh on July 10, 2019, 10:34:14 PM
Don’t worry TV. I’ve made a twat if myself on here loads of times (as you know) 😉
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - almost signed
Post by: brontebilly on July 10, 2019, 10:34:15 PM
I love and hate YouTube compilations in equal measure. This guy looks sensational.

As did Traore..

KEA was a YouTube sensation!

Konsa is a right sided centre half?
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - almost signed
Post by: fbriai on July 10, 2019, 10:36:35 PM
Brentford lad I know reckons he is a superb passer of the ball. Also thinks he won't go straight into the starting XI.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - almost signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 10, 2019, 10:38:35 PM
Don’t worry TV. I’ve made a twat if myself on here loads of times (as you know) 😉

Me too, I was just worried I was falling behind LOL. Fuse clearly burnt out in the head needs replacing.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - almost signed
Post by: Tuscans on July 10, 2019, 11:12:54 PM
Zavo
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - almost signed
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 10, 2019, 11:14:51 PM
He looks tidy doesn't he?
And if it's a choice between us signing a good up and coming lad as a proper Aston Villa player or training a fucking Man Utd kid up for the duration of a third loan in a row I know which I'd prefer. Cheeky ******. I'd hope those days are over.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - almost signed
Post by: olaftab on July 10, 2019, 11:30:15 PM
Zavo
Do you mean Zavo Milazovic? If so how about Eric Zemba Zemba and Bazko Balaban?
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - almost signed
Post by: Smirker on July 10, 2019, 11:40:06 PM
He looks decent. In Smith I Trust. 🙏
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - almost signed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 11, 2019, 12:47:14 AM
I've just clocked this thread. Never heard of him. All the shite and blx from the Evil, Nixon and so on and such forth about such-and-such easy tired old link and whatnot, then this happens. They really ain't gorra clue!
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - almost signed
Post by: Axl Rose on July 11, 2019, 03:11:02 AM
Zavo
Do you mean Zavo Milazovic? If so how about Eric Zemba Zemba and Bazko Balaban?

Zammy Abraham, even.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - almost signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 11, 2019, 05:12:23 AM
Massive bell end alert

Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - almost signed
Post by: brian green on July 11, 2019, 05:44:00 AM
Don't  forget Jloyd Zamuel
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - almost signed
Post by: Ads on July 11, 2019, 07:41:41 AM
Zog

If you say his name three times, then he appears in your midfield with a big sad face and a 5 year deal.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - almost signed
Post by: Dazvillain on July 11, 2019, 08:15:44 AM
Deano wanted to get this done to get him in pre season . Lots of talk as he’s a decent ball player of using him as Def mid choice
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - almost signed
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on July 11, 2019, 08:24:26 AM
Massive bell end alert


What a twat!!
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - almost signed
Post by: mr underhill on July 11, 2019, 09:16:31 AM
is the Konsa thing actually real, or just media bollocks?
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - almost signed
Post by: dave shelley on July 11, 2019, 09:25:07 AM
It's being reported that his medical was completed last night.  I can't do links on a tablet, too thick.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - almost signed
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 11, 2019, 09:31:42 AM
Massive bell end alert


What a twat!!



bless him
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - almost signed
Post by: UK Redsox on July 11, 2019, 09:32:35 AM
Beeb now saying that this is happening

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48947281

Links regarding the medical are from Talksport and The S*n, so best avoided
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - almost signed
Post by: kieron on July 11, 2019, 09:32:58 AM
https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1149234467124469760

Confirmed
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - almost signed
Post by: kieron on July 11, 2019, 09:33:38 AM


Interview
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - almost signed
Post by: Jon Crofts on July 11, 2019, 09:35:38 AM
Massive bell end alert



Find him in the tool aisle at B&Q
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - almost signed
Post by: Axl Rose on July 11, 2019, 09:36:21 AM
Massive bell end alert


What a twat!!



bless him

Oh dear.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 11, 2019, 09:36:44 AM
Quote
Aston Villa is delighted to announce the signing of Ezri Konsa from Brentford for an undisclosed fee.

The defender links up with former boss Dean Smith following an impressive campaign for the Bees last term.

After coming through the youth ranks at Charlton Athletic, 21-year-old Konsa was part of the England squad at the recent European U21 Championships in Italy.

He was also a member of the England squad that won the U20 World Cup in 2017.

Head Coach Dean Smith said: “Ezri fits the profile of the type of player we were searching for.

“It helps that Richard O’Kelly and I have worked with him before. He’s a high-potential player who I believe can step up to the Premier League and I’m really looking forward to working with him again.”

Konsa will join the squad for the first time when they fly out to the United States today.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - almost signed
Post by: andyh on July 11, 2019, 09:38:06 AM
Welcome Ezri.

Apologies for the questions you have to face in that interview.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 11, 2019, 09:43:11 AM
Welcome Ezri.

Apologies for the questions you have to face in that interview.

Haven't watched yet, but let me guess:

- How does it feel to be joining a [brief pause for effect] massive club like Villa?

- What about [brief pause] the size of the club? Would you say that was a major factor in your decision to join?

- The stature of a club like Villa. How much are you [brief pause] relishing getting out there in front of the fans?
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 11, 2019, 09:43:53 AM
Welcome Ezri.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: TheMalandro on July 11, 2019, 09:48:18 AM
Appears a very calm, confident guy.

Good signing.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Scratchins on July 11, 2019, 09:48:31 AM
Massive bell end alert


What a twat!!



bless him

Oh dear.
Can't stop laughing at that. Presumably he'll be back soon saying that he's rubbish and that's why they turned him down.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Smithy on July 11, 2019, 09:51:35 AM
I particularly liked "The facilities are a joke", knowing he means it in the positive, belying any media training he's had to show how impressed he was!
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: UK Redsox on July 11, 2019, 09:57:17 AM
Have we had a proper shirt-stretching yet ?

I'll accept that the Mings announcement had to be different, but what's wrong with a good shirt-stretch ?

Maybe there's a problem with the quality of the seams ?

More likely, the stretch is seen as too static for modern video announcements
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 11, 2019, 10:01:38 AM
The pictures with Mings provided a very solid stretch which you would expect. Firm grip, taut material but just short of the point of tearing.


(https://i.ibb.co/Xkt6h54/669-FA2-C0-CCAB-40-F0-A720-F00-F7-BECD1-CD.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Xkt6h54)

Edit: Just seen what will be known as the “Konsa Stretch”. Very impressive


(https://i.ibb.co/FHhjv29/ABBAD290-04-B6-45-D8-B43-A-8-DB556-A590-BF.jpg) (https://ibb.co/FHhjv29)
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 11, 2019, 10:02:32 AM
Oh a welcome young man to Aston Villa. Everything you will encounter beyond the interview is first class
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: darren woolley on July 11, 2019, 10:05:33 AM
Welcome to Aston Villa Ezri look forward to seeing you in a Villa shirt.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on July 11, 2019, 10:15:11 AM
Welcome Ezri, to the greatest football club in the World.
Be happy and brilliant.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: kieron on July 11, 2019, 10:28:15 AM
Another shirt stretch.


(https://i.ibb.co/2nhqNn0/image.png) (https://ibb.co/2nhqNn0)
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 11, 2019, 10:32:19 AM
Great news. Things really moving along now, it's starting to feel like that summer when Big Ron came.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: garyshawsknee on July 11, 2019, 10:36:23 AM
Welcome on board. Yet again, another signing that catches everyone by surprise, I love the classy way we are getting people signed.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Brend'Watkins on July 11, 2019, 10:59:30 AM
Massive bell end alert


What a twat!!



bless him

Oh dear.
Can't stop laughing at that. Presumably he'll be back soon saying that he's rubbish and that's why they turned him down.

That lad needs to take a long hard look at himself and think about where his life is going.  Fecking eejit.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Edvard Remberg on July 11, 2019, 11:12:36 AM
Interviewer:"How is it being back working with DS?"
Konsa:"Good and with John Terry"
.. .. ..
Repeat question mentioning DS - he manages to get a "and John Terry"...

Seing as he played with no 26 at Brentford and came through Senrad like JT - I guess that is probably one of the biggest reasons he is here (and not at Wolves haha)
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: paul_e on July 11, 2019, 11:23:21 AM
Even if that wasn't where he came through it makes sense. Whatever you think of some of the things he's done Terry is probably the most successful English Centre back in the premier league era, I'd be amazed if any young defender wouldn't be swayed by the chance to work with him.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 11, 2019, 11:44:39 AM
Welcome Ezri (twelve million) Pound.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 11, 2019, 11:48:23 AM
Welcome Ezri (twelve million) Pound.
If you only enjoy one Ezra Pound joke today make it this one!
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Risso on July 11, 2019, 11:48:29 AM
Welcome George Ezri.  Wooooh.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Duncan Shaw on July 11, 2019, 11:53:03 AM
They have a comments section on the Beeb website on the signing - lots of bitter and I'll informed tossers on there that's for sure!  We are obviously doing a Fulham, buying Championship players to return to the Championship and this guy is shit (from Brentford fans)

I think we are going to surprise a few next season....not to Wolves level but I think we will be OK mid-table.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on July 11, 2019, 11:53:19 AM
Ok. So who's going to come up with a song for Ezri?
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: danno on July 11, 2019, 11:58:17 AM
Ok. So who's going to come up with a song for Ezri?

Ezri goode! Ezri goode! he's Ezri Konsa goode!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YFJdUJg4wOk

I'm not wholly serious, it's just the first thing that popped into my head.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 11, 2019, 12:12:29 PM
Ok. So who's going to come up with a song for Ezri?
(To the tune of Rock The Casbah...):

The league won't like him
Ezri Konsa, Ezri Konsa
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Smirker on July 11, 2019, 12:16:23 PM
Ok. So who's going to come up with a song for Ezri?
(To the tune of Rock The Casbah...):

The league won't like him
Ezri Konsa, Ezri Konsa

Haha
Maybe a better first line and that's genuinely good!
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Smoke on July 11, 2019, 12:17:28 PM
Ezri, Ezri Konsa. Ezri, Ezri Konsa. La la la laaa. La la la laaa.

Tune = let's all do the conga

Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 11, 2019, 12:22:56 PM
Ok. So who's going to come up with a song for Ezri?
(To the tune of Rock The Casbah...):

The league won't like him
Ezri Konsa, Ezri Konsa


Bravo

Although

"Strikers won't like him - Ezri Konsa, Ezri Konsa"

works as well
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Smirker on July 11, 2019, 12:26:34 PM
The Wolves don't like him/The Villa boys signed him
EZRI KONSA
EZRI KONSA

Got it going round in my head now 😎
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Villan For Life on July 11, 2019, 12:37:38 PM
Welcome to the Villa Ezri
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Holy Trinity on July 11, 2019, 12:48:32 PM
Ezri
Ezri
KONSA

to we will rock you by queen

Obviously with the claps! This is vitally important
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Edvard Remberg on July 11, 2019, 12:54:12 PM
The Wolves don't like him/The Villa boys signed him
EZRI KONSA
EZRI KONSA

Got it going round in my head now 😎
Good
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: richtheholtender on July 11, 2019, 01:07:34 PM
What’s the length of contract?
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: UK Redsox on July 11, 2019, 01:16:01 PM
What’s the length of contract?

A4
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Dazvillain on July 11, 2019, 01:16:58 PM
What’s the length of contract?
Not sure but read something new here that it’s “longer term” and one for the future. Does it mean he’ll be given games in cup matches ? Club pics and video done last night so he could join trip today.
Seeing that Purslow also going does that Mean no more unveiling’s for a week or so ?
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Mister E on July 11, 2019, 01:21:13 PM
What’s the length of contract?

A4
Laughed out loud at this! Well done, Sir!!
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 11, 2019, 06:25:40 PM
Sounds like Paul McGrath was involved in the transfer somehow?

https://mobile.twitter.com/Ekonsa15/status/1149247389934456832
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Damo70 on July 11, 2019, 06:28:37 PM
Konsada yourself at home, Konsada yourself part of the family.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 11, 2019, 07:26:16 PM
Molineux Mix has its say.  A week ago they were fawning over him. 

I would have liked us to buy Konsa, but I wouldn't have wanted us to be relying on him as a first choice player.

We need to be buying one Ake rather than a Konsa & Mings & Hause.
I thoroughly believe that is what we are trying to do.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 12, 2019, 12:58:25 AM
I haven't read the thread, but he sounds like a hostage on the Pravda interview.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 12, 2019, 08:38:09 AM
I haven't read the thread, but he sounds like a hostage on the Pravda interview.

Haha precisely.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: FatSam on July 12, 2019, 09:04:35 AM
We need to be buying one Ake rather than a Konsa & Mings & Hause.
I thoroughly believe that is what we are trying to do.
If we had a functioning squad already we would be able to do that. When you need to buy a minimum of 3 centre backs in one window, maybe even four, I don’t think our resources will stretch to that. Martin Laurence was suggesting that Ake would cost twice what Mings did.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: algy on July 13, 2019, 08:11:01 AM
We need to be buying one Ake rather than a Konsa & Mings & Hause.
I thoroughly believe that is what we are trying to do.
If we had a functioning squad already we would be able to do that. When you need to buy a minimum of 3 centre backs in one window, maybe even four, I don’t think our resources will stretch to that. Martin Laurence was suggesting that Ake would cost twice what Mings did.
Yeah, I think it's about being sensible. It looks like we'll probably be bringing in 10ish new players, so you can't really have all of them in the £30m-£40m range. In any case, I can't see us buying players for that amount unless they're the type of player we can flog on for £60m-£80m a couple of years later.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 13, 2019, 09:08:03 AM
No that quote was from Molineux Mix not me.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 19, 2019, 02:59:40 PM
So remember the doghead penis who guaranteed Konsa. Here he is again

https://twitter.com/hrh_yt/status/1152206038860521472?s=12
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 19, 2019, 03:12:46 PM
What a sad wanker, I bet those mustard shirted tossers are proud of him.
They have now got it into their heads that there is some sort of rivalry between us.
There really isn’t, same as Newcastle and Everton we really don’t give a fuck about you except when we play you. That’s it, you really are not important.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Axl Rose on July 19, 2019, 03:28:49 PM
So remember the doghead penis who guaranteed Konsa. Here he is again

https://twitter.com/hrh_yt/status/1152206038860521472?s=12

A scrotum of the highest accolade.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: kieron on July 19, 2019, 03:47:37 PM
A bellend of bellendrical proportions.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 19, 2019, 04:02:45 PM
Bless his heart, the little scamp.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Diablo on July 19, 2019, 04:11:06 PM
Jeez! Hasn't he heard of Autotune? 


Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Damo70 on July 19, 2019, 04:48:56 PM
So remember the doghead penis who guaranteed Konsa. Here he is again

https://twitter.com/hrh_yt/status/1152206038860521472?s=12


That will get all the girls at his school or college fighting over him won't it. Nice that he took the time to dedicate a song to us though.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Damo70 on July 19, 2019, 04:54:11 PM
We need to be buying one Ake rather than a Konsa & Mings & Hause.
I thoroughly believe that is what we are trying to do.
If we had a functioning squad already we would be able to do that. When you need to buy a minimum of 3 centre backs in one window, maybe even four, I don’t think our resources will stretch to that. Martin Laurence was suggesting that Ake would cost twice what Mings did.

Ake cost Bournemouth twenty million quid and has looked impressive for them so I am guessing they would want £25 million - £35 million for him. Maybe even more given his age and the prices being paid for players at the moment.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 19, 2019, 05:11:56 PM
Why don't they just focus on hating the bitters it's more their level.

When they were in the 4th division with crowds of 3000 I don't remember us ever mentioning them never mind taking the piss.

Why would any " rivalry" now be any more relevant?

Delusional tramps
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: cheltenhamlion on July 19, 2019, 05:29:26 PM
They are weird. Blues fans are like stalkers. Olbiyun your annoying Uncle who wont shut up at family Christmas gatherings. Wolves fans are like the bloke who wanders round town with a basketball.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: KRS on July 19, 2019, 06:15:52 PM
What an absolute melt (as the kids would say).
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: GarTomas on July 19, 2019, 06:57:52 PM
So remember the doghead penis who guaranteed Konsa. Here he is again

https://twitter.com/hrh_yt/status/1152206038860521472?s=12

Am I the only one who quite likes him?

In the sense of I hope he keeps posting this shit so I can laugh at him.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: LeeB on July 19, 2019, 09:14:18 PM
They are weird. Blues fans are like stalkers. Olbiyun your annoying Uncle who wont shut up at family Christmas gatherings. Wolves fans are like the bloke who wanders round town with a basketball.

Succinct.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Steve67 on July 19, 2019, 09:20:21 PM
So remember the doghead penis who guaranteed Konsa. Here he is again

https://twitter.com/hrh_yt/status/1152206038860521472?s=12

Am I the only one who quite likes him?

In the sense of I hope he keeps posting this shit so I can laugh at him.

I don't think it should come as any surprise that he is in his bedroom.  Virgin.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: paul_e on July 19, 2019, 10:22:44 PM
The best thing about that is if you scroll down a little way he's posted that James Rodriguez is signing for them because he was wearing gold and black shoes and you'd only do that as a sign. It's fucking brilliant and he just gets ripped into by almost everyone that replies.

https://twitter.com/HRH_YT/status/1151943254704893959

The 15-20 tweet meltdown to prove he's a wolves fan is funny as well.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Risso on July 20, 2019, 02:09:22 AM
Most Wolves fans seem to hate him as well.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: darren woolley on July 20, 2019, 11:01:09 AM
So remember the doghead penis who guaranteed Konsa. Here he is again

https://twitter.com/hrh_yt/status/1152206038860521472?s=12

That lad's got some sort of special needs.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Dazvillain on August 05, 2019, 08:32:06 AM
Why wasn’t he in squad Saturday ? Don’t think he played in game v reserves either ?
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 14, 2019, 01:28:44 PM
https://www.avfc.co.uk/News/2019/08/14/one-on-one-ezri-konsa
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Si on September 01, 2019, 08:47:36 PM
Becoming concerned by the midfield being out muscled and over run.  We're lacking strength and height. I feel a formation change is needed to tighten the centre of the pitch. Could Konsa be the player to play the defensive midfielder alongside luiz or marvelous. Two of those three would surely free up jack and mcginn  to support wes.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 06, 2019, 12:10:43 PM
Good call by Smith for Konsa to get some first premier league minutes. That goal conceded wasn't his fault. And he was stepped on by Buendia the dirty so and so , VAR said no red. Though I think Buendia took out frustration sneakily . Konsa wasn't so interested in hand shakes with him when Buendia tried to help him up.  That's because it looked like an unnecessary stamp on him

Anyway he looks very composed on the ball a little to composed perhaps but like to see him have some game time . Proper footballer
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Mister E on October 06, 2019, 02:29:39 PM
Good call by Smith for Konsa to get some first premier league minutes. That goal conceded wasn't his fault. And he was stepped on by Buendia the dirty so and so , VAR said no red. Though I think Buendia took out frustration sneakily . Konsa wasn't so interested in hand shakes with him when Buendia tried to help him up.  That's because it looked like an unnecessary stamp on him

Anyway he looks very composed on the ball a little to composed perhaps but like to see him have some game time . Proper footballer
How can you be "too composed"?
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 30, 2019, 11:10:31 PM
Another good showing .
At times he's just too composed !
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Luke8 on November 10, 2019, 07:48:53 PM
Thought he played pretty well today given it was his first start and he was up against a decent striker in Jimenez. Looked good with the ball at his feet as well.

Certainly showed enough that I wouldn’t be too worried if he has to step in for Engles again.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: LukeJames on November 10, 2019, 07:53:38 PM
No issues with him at all. As I put in the Wesley thread a couple of weeks ago, we have the makings of a decent 3-5-2. Mings, Engels and Konsa are a great back 3, Guilbert and Targett are already winbacks, this was originally said when Davis was fit as I believe him and Wes would cause alot of trouble, McGinn, Jack and Nakamba in tje middle, basee on our personel I believe this formation would suit us, just not sure if Smith will adapt to it.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 10, 2019, 07:54:19 PM
Looked good for the most part.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Luke8 on November 10, 2019, 08:00:55 PM
No issues with him at all. As I put in the Wesley thread a couple of weeks ago, we have the makings of a decent 3-5-2. Mings, Engels and Konsa are a great back 3, Guilbert and Targett are already winbacks, this was originally said when Davis was fit as I believe him and Wes would cause alot of trouble, McGinn, Jack and Nakamba in tje middle, basee on our personel I believe this formation would suit us, just not sure if Smith will adapt to it.

Easy to say in hindsight obviously, but I think, particularly given the absentees, that matching Wolves up and going 3-5-2/3-4-3 would have been much better today. Would have stopped Jota and Traore being 1v1 so much and should have prevented us being so open in the middle of the pitch.

Like you though, I’m not sure something like this would ever happen. I fear that  Smith is possibly too idealistic to change things at the moment.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: AV82EC on November 11, 2019, 08:59:03 AM
Well if AEG and Trez keep playing as badly he won’t have much choice.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 25, 2019, 09:57:10 PM
Looks a really good player.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: LukeJames on November 25, 2019, 10:00:42 PM
Been impressed with him every time hes played, the shirts his to lose now.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: PeterWithe on November 25, 2019, 11:45:56 PM
First time I’ve seen him and I was impressed. Looked very comfortable
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Luke8 on November 26, 2019, 12:11:27 AM
Did well again tonight.

Considering the situation at the end of last season, the club have done an excellent job to get us in a position where we have a pool of CBs that would all do a decent job in this league. All young enough to have plenty of potential to improve as well.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Demitri_C on November 26, 2019, 07:26:02 AM
Has huge potential.  Good performance !
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: nigel on November 26, 2019, 08:55:54 AM
Better than Tyrone last night.
Going to be a great signing
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Risso on November 26, 2019, 09:31:51 AM
He's been excellent every time he's played, and we didn't miss Engels at all last night because of how good he was.  Superb.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 26, 2019, 09:33:24 AM
I really like him. Solid defensively and confident enough to pass out from the back, only walloping it when it needs walloping. We have three excellent centre-backs and at least one good one, depending on how well Chester could play after his lengthy layoff.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Brend'Watkins on November 26, 2019, 09:36:41 AM
There's little to choose between Konsa and Engles. I'm impressed with both.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: olaftab on November 26, 2019, 09:39:43 AM
Tyrone needs a rest as I think he's carrying an injury. Pleased that Ezri and Bjorn are there to cover.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Drummond on November 26, 2019, 11:30:31 AM
He did really well again last night, Engels may not get back in straight away.

We're blessed in the centre-back department for sure with Mings, Engels, Konsa, Chester, Hause. I'm pleased.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: brentastonb6 on November 26, 2019, 11:34:30 AM
Looked strong and competent again, add Hause ,Guilbert, Mings, Engels with Heaton behind them and I can’t recall the last time we were so prepared defensively?
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Risso on November 26, 2019, 04:17:36 PM
He did really well again last night, Engels may not get back in straight away.

We're blessed in the centre-back department for sure with Mings, Engels, Konsa, Chester, Hause. I'm pleased.

I hope Engels doesn't walk back in to the side.  Not because he's done anything wrong, but because when somebody comes in and does well, they should keep their place in the side.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: darren woolley on November 26, 2019, 04:21:43 PM
Ezri played well last night.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: West Derby Villan on November 26, 2019, 05:54:26 PM
He did really well again last night, Engels may not get back in straight away.

We're blessed in the centre-back department for sure with Mings, Engels, Konsa, Chester, Hause. I'm pleased.

I hope Engels doesn't walk back in to the side.  Not because he's done anything wrong, but because when somebody comes in and does well, they should keep their place in the side.

Agree with this as it promotes competition
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 26, 2019, 05:55:37 PM
Looks a very good player.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 26, 2019, 11:02:18 PM
I continue to love how he looks too composed !
So relaxed . Breathtaking player comfortable on ball and so unlucky , if not a little poor, to miss his goal and head straight at keeper.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: darren woolley on November 28, 2019, 03:44:24 PM
We have healthy competition for those central defence places which is brilliant for us.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: glinch on December 02, 2019, 11:13:20 AM
Can Konsa play, or has he played, at right back?

I would imagine he could fill in for Guilbert when he's banned on Wednesday.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Brassneck on December 02, 2019, 11:55:43 AM
Can Konsa play, or has he played, at right back?

I would imagine he could fill in for Guilbert when he's banned on Wednesday.

That means changing 2 defensive positions.  Elmo can slot in comfortably.  Other than that, the defence should remain the same.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: UK Redsox on December 02, 2019, 02:00:39 PM
Can Konsa play, or has he played, at right back?

I would imagine he could fill in for Guilbert when he's banned on Wednesday.

Sirlordbaltimore of this Parish was seen in conversation with the Scottish Cafu on the weekend, so maybe the latter will be signed in time to play against Chelsea :)
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Risso on December 02, 2019, 02:34:30 PM
Smith mentioned at the start of the season that Konsa can play right back, so it's either bring Engels back, and move Konsa there, or leave Konsa where he is and play Elmo.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Demitri_C on December 02, 2019, 02:41:54 PM
That wouldn't be a bad shout playing him at th if he can play there.  I'd rather try that and bring engels back then have Elmo at rb
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on December 02, 2019, 03:18:07 PM
I'd be amazed if he doesn't play Elmo.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 02, 2019, 03:42:37 PM
Is this Elmo's last season on his contract?
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 02, 2019, 04:28:35 PM
Didn’t he sign a one year extension this year or was that last year? He’s been a super servant for the club. I’ll be shocked if he doesn’t play on Wednesday. Have Engels on the bench with Hause.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 02, 2019, 04:41:11 PM
A super servant to the club? He's only been here a couple of years. He's grown on me though. A top pro, I'll give him that and he's certainly improved since Smith arrived.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 02, 2019, 04:43:00 PM
Super servant? Elmo?

I like him, but that's using the word 'super' in the sort of context Blues fans would about one of their players.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 02, 2019, 04:43:20 PM
Contracted until June 2021. I like him, he's perfectly fine as a squad player, and seems to be popular in the dressing room.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 02, 2019, 05:37:44 PM
A super servant to the club? He's only been here a couple of years. He's grown on me though. A top pro, I'll give him that and he's certainly improved since Smith arrived.

I would say so. He's played the role asked of him and never complained. It's not about length of time but what you do with it. There are plenty of players who were here with us longer and made twats of themselves. Especially those self proclaimed fans of Aston Villa living their boyhood dreams of playing for us. He is a top pro, generally a solid 7/10 performer, popular with the players, coaches and fans and a good example to the young kids at the club. He won't be a Villa legend but he'll never be spoken of badly in years to come.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: frank black on December 02, 2019, 05:43:32 PM
 and unlike Mr Taylor on the other side, he’s a threat going forwards. Elmo is more than adequate
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: dcdavecollett on December 02, 2019, 11:56:47 PM
He's probably the best crosser of a ball at the club, as we saw at Wembley.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: darren woolley on December 03, 2019, 03:37:57 PM
Ezri's playing really well he will only get better.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: olaftab on December 05, 2019, 11:15:18 AM
Konsa has been generally good in the 3 games that I have seen him play and of course still a very young lad and will get better. However he has to learn quickly and last night he was unprofessional. OK he was caught out by the cross and Tammy was a little ahead of him but he had to make ground and put some pressure on Tammy instead of standing there and waving his arm about asking for a favour from lino. Terry needs to kick that sort of thing out of him.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Luke8 on December 05, 2019, 12:03:11 PM
The thing is that, when analysing our defenders performances, you have to take into account how open we are at times and the pressure this puts them under. They are by no means immune from blame/criticism and all have areas to improve on, but I think we are averaging about twenty shots conceded per game over the last ten games. A lot of defences would struggle under that work load.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: London Villan on December 05, 2019, 12:07:01 PM
Was that Konsa who is playing his third/fourth premier league match in his career?
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 21, 2020, 11:10:48 PM
https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1219747695381925888
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Demitri_C on January 22, 2020, 08:52:07 AM
Hause is the weak link of the 3. Konsa is quick and doing very well considering he is young and had no pl experinece. Adapting well.  Will only get better
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Duncan Shaw on January 22, 2020, 08:54:43 AM
Hause is the weak link of the 3. Konsa is quick and doing very well considering he is young and had no pl experinece. Adapting well.  Will only get better
yeah you can see why Wolves were happy to let him go with where they are heading #levels
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: brontebilly on January 22, 2020, 08:57:10 AM
Hause is the weak link of the 3. Konsa is quick and doing very well considering he is young and had no pl experinece. Adapting well.  Will only get better

Konsa has potential sure but has a horrible ball watching tendency. Watford play with only one forward yet he hadn't a clue where Deeney was for their goal last night. At worst he had to get touch tight to Deeney before the cross came in.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Rudy65 on January 22, 2020, 09:00:36 AM
Hause is the weak link of the 3. Konsa is quick and doing very well considering he is young and had no pl experinece. Adapting well.  Will only get better

Bit harsh. Other than the Man City capitulation I think the back five defence has performed well and looked solid. Pepe has obviously added to that as well. Hause, like Konsa is still young and inexperienced at this level.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: LeeB on January 22, 2020, 09:10:26 AM
Hause is the weak link of the 3. Konsa is quick and doing very well considering he is young and had no pl experinece. Adapting well.  Will only get better

Konsa has potential sure but has a horrible ball watching tendency. Watford play with only one forward yet he hadn't a clue where Deeney was for their goal last night. At worst he had to get touch tight to Deeney before the cross came in.

I was absolutely slating Konza for ball watching seconds before the goal.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: JJ-AV on January 22, 2020, 09:14:44 AM
I think Hause is a better defender than Konsa right now. Konsa is much better coming forward and bringing the ball out. Hause is a decent ish passer, but does hesitate on the ball sometimes.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: LeeB on January 22, 2020, 09:16:04 AM
I think Hause is a better defender than Konsa right now. Konsa is much better coming forward and bringing the ball out. Hause is a decent ish passer, but does hesitate on the ball sometimes.

Fully agree.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: OCD on January 22, 2020, 11:14:35 AM
Hause is the weak link of the 3. Konsa is quick and doing very well considering he is young and had no pl experinece. Adapting well.  Will only get better

Konsa has potential sure but has a horrible ball watching tendency. Watford play with only one forward yet he hadn't a clue where Deeney was for their goal last night. At worst he had to get touch tight to Deeney before the cross came in.

I was absolutely slating Konza for ball watching seconds before the goal.

Apparently Mings laid into Konsa at half-time, presumably about ball watching.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: old man villa fan on January 22, 2020, 12:33:38 PM
Hause is the weak link of the 3. Konsa is quick and doing very well considering he is young and had no pl experinece. Adapting well.  Will only get better

Konsa has potential sure but has a horrible ball watching tendency. Watford play with only one forward yet he hadn't a clue where Deeney was for their goal last night. At worst he had to get touch tight to Deeney before the cross came in.

I have only seen it a couple of times at normal speed but did the cross get a deflection off Hause that put it into Deeney's path.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 22, 2020, 12:41:31 PM
I think sometimes it is harder when they play one up top  for the 3 defenders as they leave it to each other to mark 
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 20, 2020, 12:38:28 AM
I think if we are playing Davis, it makes more sense to give Elmo a game as he is a good crosser. I don't dislike Konsa or Guilbert, mind.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Steve67 on June 20, 2020, 06:47:50 AM
We were unbalanced in defence and need to bring Konsa back in to the centre, not that I think he's the answer as yet, although I think he will improve over time.  Bring Freddie or Elmo in at right back tomorrow.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: LeeB on June 20, 2020, 10:02:19 AM
We were unbalanced in defence and need to bring Konsa back in to the centre, not that I think he's the answer as yet, although I think he will improve over time.  Bring Freddie or Elmo in at right back tomorrow.

We were better at the back than we’ve been for ages, bar Hause’s suicide pass.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: CT on June 24, 2020, 07:37:01 PM
Brentford must be laughing themselves silly at whatever we paid for him.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: itbrvilla on June 24, 2020, 07:39:27 PM
Brentford must be laughing themselves silly at whatever we paid for him.
See all our current players former clubs.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Ger Regan on June 24, 2020, 08:01:56 PM
He's not a right back, so why he's played the majority of the last three games there is beyond me.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: eamonn on June 24, 2020, 08:02:16 PM
Neil Lennon on 5Live was singing his praises in the first half. Keeping the Maximilian dude quiet while delivering some dangerous balls into the box.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: brontebilly on June 24, 2020, 09:32:08 PM
He's not a right back, so why he's played the majority of the last three games there is beyond me.

Well I guess Guilbert is out injured and Konsa does give us a bit more height defending set pieces where we were getting rinsed

But it was fairly apparent from the game v Sheff Utd, that a) he isnt even a good defender and b) simply dreadful with the ball, Cuellar esque

Agreed with the OP, Brentford took the piss out of us on this guy, no idea what potential Smith saw in him
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 24, 2020, 09:33:16 PM
He's not a right back, so why he's played the majority of the last three games there is beyond me.

Well I guess Guilbert is out injured and Konsa does give us a bit more height defending set pieces where we were getting rinsed

But it was fairly apparent from the game v Sheff Utd, that a) he isnt even a good defender and b) simply dreadful with the ball, Cuellar esque

Agreed with the OP, Brentford took the piss out of us on this guy, no idea what potential Smith saw in him

He's a good defender with lots of potential.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Clampy on June 24, 2020, 09:35:39 PM
It's his first season after making the step up to this division  and overall, I think he's done ok. He's still got  a lot to learn but I think he's worth persevering with.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 24, 2020, 09:35:45 PM
I think he has potential as a centre half.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: brontebilly on June 24, 2020, 10:06:54 PM
He's not a right back, so why he's played the majority of the last three games there is beyond me.

Well I guess Guilbert is out injured and Konsa does give us a bit more height defending set pieces where we were getting rinsed

But it was fairly apparent from the game v Sheff Utd, that a) he isnt even a good defender and b) simply dreadful with the ball, Cuellar esque

Agreed with the OP, Brentford took the piss out of us on this guy, no idea what potential Smith saw in him

He's a good defender with lots of potential.

honestly, what facet(s) of his play shows potential?
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 24, 2020, 10:09:25 PM
He's not a right back, so why he's played the majority of the last three games there is beyond me.

Well I guess Guilbert is out injured and Konsa does give us a bit more height defending set pieces where we were getting rinsed

But it was fairly apparent from the game v Sheff Utd, that a) he isnt even a good defender and b) simply dreadful with the ball, Cuellar esque

Agreed with the OP, Brentford took the piss out of us on this guy, no idea what potential Smith saw in him

He's a good defender with lots of potential.

honestly, what facet(s) of his play shows potential?

Life is genuinely too short to discuss it further, from my perspective. I wish you well.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: tomd2103 on June 24, 2020, 10:17:00 PM
It's his first season after making the step up to this division  and overall, I think he's done ok. He's still got  a lot to learn but I think he's worth persevering with.

Yep, agree he has shown potential, but should have been 3rd or 4th choice this season and bedded in slowly. 

He hasn't been afforded that luxury unfortunately and has struggled at times. 
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: olaftab on June 24, 2020, 10:23:29 PM
I think he has potential as a centre half.
At Walsall.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 24, 2020, 10:32:55 PM
It's his first season after making the step up to this division  and overall, I think he's done ok. He's still got  a lot to learn but I think he's worth persevering with.
Yep, he has done okay but he has been part of a defence that has conceded all but 2 goals every game.  So he does have a lot learn but I just wonder who out of current set up is he going to learn it from.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 24, 2020, 10:35:33 PM
He’ll be good next season playing on the right of the CB two alongside Hause. We will have to buy better in 2021/22 when we come up again.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: FrankyH on June 24, 2020, 10:58:20 PM
He didn't have a great game granted, but he was played out of position and Smith singles him out for criticism in his post match interview. Poor management , you're on a loser when that happens.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Steve67 on June 24, 2020, 11:03:32 PM
He didn't have a great game granted, but he was played out of position and Smith singles him out for criticism in his post match interview. Poor management , your on a loser when that happens.

Agreed Franky. But it's also what I expect from a manager struggling with the role.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: brontebilly on June 24, 2020, 11:06:39 PM
He didn't have a great game granted, but he was played out of position and Smith singles him out for criticism in his post match interview. Poor management , you're on a loser when that happens.

Wasn't aware of this. Dreadful man management aside, Konsa is a long way down the list of who should be blamed for that goal. The man/men responsible for organising our defence all season should be in the firing line first.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: myf on June 24, 2020, 11:17:53 PM
He didn't have a great game granted, but he was played out of position and Smith singles him out for criticism in his post match interview. Poor management , you're on a loser when that happens.

he's lost it and looks more desperate by the day. God knows what he'll come out with on Saturday at 3pm
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: themossman on June 24, 2020, 11:18:38 PM
Yeah quite, to single him out for blame when the goal was a clusterfuck and our best defender was also out of position looks a bit pathetic and cowardly.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 24, 2020, 11:46:26 PM
Ultimately he's got to sense the danger and tuck in quicker. Newcastle can't score from the touchline but Gayle centrally can and Konsa was nearest to him.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: eamonn on June 25, 2020, 10:10:08 AM
Yeah, it was classic ball-watching by all. Maybe our lot couldn't believe that Andy Carroll had the ability to tread through a beautiful pass along the ground but it was really poor, basic stuff that took four or five of our players out of the play.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on June 25, 2020, 10:13:54 AM
Yeah quite, to single him out for blame when the goal was a clusterfuck and our best defender was also out of position looks a bit pathetic and cowardly.
It's not fucking cowardly.  Why are people so desperate to throw that insult about on here?  He's called out a player who he thinks made a mistake.  I think most of us believe he's wrong, but that doesn't make him cowardly.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Risso on June 25, 2020, 10:37:29 AM
Yeah quite, to single him out for blame when the goal was a clusterfuck and our best defender was also out of position looks a bit pathetic and cowardly.

I really, really can't stand Smith any more.  It's a shame when it gets to this stage, but he hasn't got the ability to manage at this level and now he's reverted to calling out the players, it's the actions of a dead man walking.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: David_Nab on June 25, 2020, 10:39:09 AM
Yeah quite, to single him out for blame when the goal was a clusterfuck and our best defender was also out of position looks a bit pathetic and cowardly.

I really, really can't stand Smith any more.  It's a shame when it gets to this stage, but he hasn't got the ability to manage at this level and now he's reverted to calling out the players, it's the actions of a dead man walking.

I tend to agree , it stinks of well I told them what to do and they didn't so don't blame me.It's similar to the shit Bruce used to come out with
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: olaftab on June 25, 2020, 10:42:59 AM
Ultimately he's got to sense the danger and tuck in quicker. Newcastle can't score from the touchline but Gayle centrally can and Konsa was nearest to him.
Yes but he would have expected one of his CB's to be around there as well.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: dicedlam on June 25, 2020, 10:59:20 AM
Yeah quite, to single him out for blame when the goal was a clusterfuck and our best defender was also out of position looks a bit pathetic and cowardly.

I really, really can't stand Smith any more.  It's a shame when it gets to this stage, but he hasn't got the ability to manage at this level and now he's reverted to calling out the players, it's the actions of a dead man walking.

I don't think I could get to the stage where I couldn't stand a fellow Villa fan, but agree that he is out of his depth.
What does boil my piss with him is why is he so stubborn sticking with 4-4-3? Surely after all this time, he can see that it is not working.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Clampy on June 25, 2020, 11:07:17 AM
I don't hate the guy and I don't think I ever will. He's done nothing to make me hate him. If those in charge decide he's not good enough then he will eventually be moved on, as it should be.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 25, 2020, 11:29:06 AM
I like him, i think he is a decent bloke.
I just think he is out of his depth.

Stubborn, inflexible, passive and indecisive are the traits he is displaying this season and is why the team is failing.

Classic symptoms of fear.

I would be happy to go for a pint with him though.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: PeterWithe on June 25, 2020, 12:24:20 PM
Ultimately he's got to sense the danger and tuck in quicker. Newcastle can't score from the touchline but Gayle centrally can and Konsa was nearest to him.

Agree with this, it might seem harsh but he's not close enough to Gayle and then buys the dummy too easily. He wasnt the only one at fault for the goal but at fault he was.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: brontebilly on June 25, 2020, 12:37:25 PM
Ultimately he's got to sense the danger and tuck in quicker. Newcastle can't score from the touchline but Gayle centrally can and Konsa was nearest to him.

Agreed but then his man is wide open on the backpost as what happened for the first goal by Chelsea. Gayle could have played him in too.

Konsa shares a degree of blame for the goal but less so than Luiz, Hause and Mings. Mings for me should shoulder the most blame out of them all, as didn't deal with Carroll or Saint-Maxime.

Targett made a risible effort to deal with the throw in to start with. If you were being very harsh could Nyland have also been off his line quicker on Gayle.

Is it any wonder we are where we are conceding goals like that when the entire back four, holding midfielder and possibly keeper are to blame. That Smith sought to publicly call out only one of them is diabolical.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: AVH87 on June 25, 2020, 12:46:30 PM
Thought it was harsh to single him out. A 22 year old, who has played probably 15 games at this level, and is being played out of position. Yes he came in for decent money, but that's hardly his fault and surely due to the fact he's one for the future mainly.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: OzVilla on June 25, 2020, 12:48:28 PM
There were at least 2 other candidates that should’ve received both barrels before Konsa for that goal. Either call out the right players or nobody at all (which should be the preferred option).

You can’t afford a fractured playing group so why not say nothing publicly. He’s covered up for Wes, Trez and a few other enough times.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Risso on June 25, 2020, 03:02:17 PM
Yeah quite, to single him out for blame when the goal was a clusterfuck and our best defender was also out of position looks a bit pathetic and cowardly.

I really, really can't stand Smith any more.  It's a shame when it gets to this stage, but he hasn't got the ability to manage at this level and now he's reverted to calling out the players, it's the actions of a dead man walking.

I don't think I could get to the stage where I couldn't stand a fellow Villa fan, but agree that he is out of his depth.
What does boil my piss with him is why is he so stubborn sticking with 4-4-3? Surely after all this time, he can see that it is not working.

Some Villa fans are complete arseholes so not sure what that has to do with anything. I’ve unfollowed loads on Twitter for being racist twats for example. That’s nothing to do with Smith but being a Villa fan doesn’t give anybody carte blanche from criticism.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 25, 2020, 03:21:57 PM
I don't hate the guy and I don't think I ever will. He's done nothing to make me hate him. If those in charge decide he's not good enough then he will eventually be moved on, as it should be.


I agree. I think his initial remit was to ensure the 2020/21 season kicked off with Aston Villa in the Premier League. Can he fulfil that? I think he will. Is he the man to lead us to the next stage in our journey? I'm beginning to think probably not.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: themossman on June 25, 2020, 04:10:06 PM
Yeah quite, to single him out for blame when the goal was a clusterfuck and our best defender was also out of position looks a bit pathetic and cowardly.
It's not fucking cowardly.  Why are people so desperate to throw that insult about on here?  He's called out a player who he thinks made a mistake.  I think most of us believe he's wrong, but that doesn't make him cowardly.

Desperate to throw that insult around? Eh? I don't think I've ever called someone cowardly on here before and I don't recall that many instances of it from anyone else either. Feel free to have a trawl and tell me different if that word bothers you that much.

It's cowardly because Smith himself is at least as at fault as any of the players and he could, alternatively, have ackowledged that fact and shielded the players. And because he's singled out one player who appears a lot less likely to have a go back than others (his player, less vocal than Mings who, as pointed out, was also at fault more than once in the game).

If I'm being generous it migh tbe clever kidology in that he knows Konsa well enough to know he's likely to respond well to that kind of thing. But it feels more like a poor manager in his death throes finding easy targets to blame for his failures (like Bruce did) which is a cowardly thing to do.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 25, 2020, 04:20:48 PM
Ultimately he's got to sense the danger and tuck in quicker. Newcastle can't score from the touchline but Gayle centrally can and Konsa was nearest to him.

Agreed but then his man is wide open on the backpost as what happened for the first goal by Chelsea. Gayle could have played him in too.

Konsa shares a degree of blame for the goal but less so than Luiz, Hause and Mings. Mings for me should shoulder the most blame out of them all, as didn't deal with Carroll or Saint-Maxime.

Targett made a risible effort to deal with the throw in to start with. If you were being very harsh could Nyland have also been off his line quicker on Gayle.

Is it any wonder we are where we are conceding goals like that when the entire back four, holding midfielder and possibly keeper are to blame. That Smith sought to publicly call out only one of them is diabolical.

No that's all true. Ultimately that's what a relegation threatened team tends to do, look solid for an hour and then concede a cheap goal that several players could've stopped. Was same v Chelsea.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 25, 2020, 04:23:17 PM
I don't hate the guy and I don't think I ever will. He's done nothing to make me hate him. If those in charge decide he's not good enough then he will eventually be moved on, as it should be.


I agree. I think his initial remit was to ensure the 2020/21 season kicked off with Aston Villa in the Premier League. Can he fulfil that? I think he will. Is he the man to lead us to the next stage in our journey? I'm beginning to think probably not.

If we can somehow stay up I'd still let him go and at least then he could walk out with his head held high and I'd like to think pretty mcuh everyone on here would wish him well.

Nightmare scenario is we go down, we start next season poorly and fans back in the ground give him dogs abuse like Bruce got v Preston.

Even if we stay up I think next season would be very tough if we lost Grealish. Same as when Sherwood fulfilled his remit for 14/15, we thought he could improve us the following season but it was a big error and ultimately we were as good as down when he got sacked in late October.

Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: RichardBatchelor on June 25, 2020, 04:33:25 PM
It's his first season after making the step up to this division  and overall, I think he's done ok. He's still got  a lot to learn but I think he's worth persevering with.
Yep, he has done okay but he has been part of a defence that has conceded all but 2 goals every game.  So he does have a lot learn but I just wonder who out of current set up is he going to learn it from.

Yes, and for me the two goals per game is poor defending as a team. All our defenders and keepers have individually, had plenty of decent games. I personally think midfield is the problem and maybe it’s no coincidence that we’ve only conceded one per game since Doug started playing really well. One thing we have to address is allowing crosses to come in so readily. That did us against Chelsea when they put an unplayable ball in, which a team like that inevitably will if you keep giving them free goes at it.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Steve67 on June 25, 2020, 08:01:41 PM
Ultimately he's got to sense the danger and tuck in quicker. Newcastle can't score from the touchline but Gayle centrally can and Konsa was nearest to him.

Agreed but then his man is wide open on the backpost as what happened for the first goal by Chelsea. Gayle could have played him in too.

Konsa shares a degree of blame for the goal but less so than Luiz, Hause and Mings. Mings for me should shoulder the most blame out of them all, as didn't deal with Carroll or Saint-Maxime.

Targett made a risible effort to deal with the throw in to start with. If you were being very harsh could Nyland have also been off his line quicker on Gayle.

Is it any wonder we are where we are conceding goals like that when the entire back four, holding midfielder and possibly keeper are to blame. That Smith sought to publicly call out only one of them is diabolical.

No that's all true. Ultimately that's what a relegation threatened team tends to do, look solid for an hour and then concede a cheap goal that several players could've stopped. Was same v Chelsea.

The ball should have been stopped from coming in, in the first place but yet again Targett was too soft and no-one else was near the crosser.  Piss poor defending, leaving Konsa one on one.  If you work harder to stop the cross, you prevent the goal.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Risso on July 10, 2020, 01:06:52 AM
After Luiz, I think he’s the only player to get any credit of late. Been decent at right back and his crossing is actually very good.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: eamonn on July 10, 2020, 01:29:51 AM
Pity its the one position we're overstocked in (Guilbert, Elmo) when there are half a dozen other players it would be great to drop.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: ROBBO on July 10, 2020, 02:15:08 AM
Why hasn't Smith gone already? think he may have if they were'nt playing to an empty stadium.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Steve67 on July 21, 2020, 11:38:28 PM
This young man is showing real potential.  He was asked to play out of position by Dean Smith, outted a couple of times for the Newcastle and Everton goals, harshly in my opinion, but didn't let his head drop.  He has moved back to right side centre back and not only do we look better balanced, this lad looks the part.  Hause got injured and can't get back in now because Konsa is playing well.  I like him and think he is a talent.  I really hope we are not signing Axel as this lad is better, or certainly will be.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Olof's Beard on July 21, 2020, 11:41:02 PM
He was brilliant tonight, especially in that 20 second spell where be bailed Mings out by blocking Aubameyang's shot then stopped the cross immediately after Hourihane gave it away. The block was deliberate, he didn't just chuck his body at it, he read the situation. He can use the ball and seems to have a steely streak. He's been great since the restart and is showing why we paid for his potential.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 21, 2020, 11:42:44 PM
Against Wolves in the cup somebody behind me said that one he got in the team he'd never lose his place. I didn't think much of it at the time but for once TTBM was spot on correct.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Risso on July 21, 2020, 11:44:08 PM
He's been great, along with Luiz our best and most consistent player since the restart.  Good to see him handing out a bollocking after Mings had cocked up.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 22, 2020, 12:02:44 AM
The amazing thing is he’s got his spot at CB because of an injury to another CB. We were playing with 3 CB’s, one at RB and two left footed ones at CB. We looked completely unbalanced. An unlucky injury and all of a sudden Konsa looks brilliant in his natural position and we look balanced with actual RB’s playing at RB. I applaud Dean if he gets us out of this but fuck me it shouldn’t take this to do what seems to be the obvious.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Olof's Beard on July 22, 2020, 12:19:11 AM
The amazing thing is he’s got his spot at CB because of an injury to another CB. We were playing with 3 CB’s, one at RB and two left footed ones at CB. We looked completely unbalanced. An unlucky injury and all of a sudden Konsa looks brilliant in his natural position and we look balanced with actual RB’s playing at RB. I applaud Dean if he gets us out of this but fuck me it shouldn’t take this to do what seems to be the obvious.

I think Smith played the three of them together to help us with set pieces, both defensively and in attack. He'd clearly identified both those elements of our game as a problem (it wasn't hard to recognise admittedly) and in fairness, Konsa did well at right back and Hause generally looked solid. But we do look more balanced when Elmo/Guilbert play.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Matt C on July 22, 2020, 12:24:38 AM
I thought his best game in a Villa shirt was Everton but he went and beat it again tonight. Excellent.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Ads on July 22, 2020, 12:34:01 AM
Tonight felt like we engaged our brains. We didn't panic, we kept on thinking and making the opposition think. In the end Arsenal went full Lambert and it was a none event. Konsa strikes me as a smart kid and I liked the way he went about his business with a maturity beyond his years.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 22, 2020, 12:35:20 AM
I like Konsa and Mings together. Easy to forget how few games both of them have at this level prior to this season. It has been a learning experience. I think they can get better and better if we stay up.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 22, 2020, 12:35:52 AM
I wasn't as convinced as some were but tonight I thought he looked every inch a quality Premier League defender.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 22, 2020, 12:51:43 AM
Thoughts for Bjorn Engels who has been injured for ages now. If we started the new season tomorrow he’s now a back up to Konsa on the right. Konsa and Mings if we play with the discipline next year as we’ve shown since the restart are a solid mid table CB pairing.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 22, 2020, 03:10:21 AM
He was excellent.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Duncan Shaw on July 22, 2020, 08:11:19 AM
Thoughts for Bjorn Engels who has been injured for ages now. If we started the new season tomorrow he’s now a back up to Konsa on the right. Konsa and Mings if we play with the discipline next year as we’ve shown since the restart are a solid mid table CB pairing.
He's allegedly had a row with Deano and on his way out.
Konsa was outstanding tonight.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on July 22, 2020, 08:15:58 AM
Good game by Konsa, it's nice to see him developing.

The Engels thing is odd, he looked really good for a few games and I though he could turn in to an excellent player for us.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Ian. on July 22, 2020, 08:22:13 AM
He was brilliant last night, he’s coming along very well.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: nigel on July 22, 2020, 08:22:38 AM
Konsa is going to be a great player.
We seem to have a good pairing at centre back now.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: in exile on July 22, 2020, 09:39:49 AM
Thoughts for Bjorn Engels who has been injured for ages now. If we started the new season tomorrow he’s now a back up to Konsa on the right. Konsa and Mings if we play with the discipline next year as we’ve shown since the restart are a solid mid table CB pairing.
He's allegedly had a row with Deano and on his way out.
Konsa was outstanding tonight.
While this is rumoured to be true, he also has a achilleas injury.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Gary Penrice on July 22, 2020, 11:01:57 AM
I've been very impressed with Konsa.....future Villa captain!
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 21, 2020, 08:08:57 PM
Konsa class act.
Vs Sheff Utd absolute a hero

Been saying he'll be in England squad and with Southgate  watching on he like us all can't help be impressed.

Well played EK
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Risso on September 21, 2020, 08:14:28 PM
He's just a very composed footballer.  He's getting better and better.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Steve67 on September 21, 2020, 08:19:47 PM
I really like this lad.  He could do with winning more in the air defensively but is quick and reliable.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: SaddVillan on September 21, 2020, 08:20:48 PM
Rose above Stevens (formerly of this parish) like a one legged salmon and put his header in just about the only place Ramsdale couldn't get to.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: West Derby Villan on September 21, 2020, 08:35:46 PM
Played well throughout the whole 90 minutes and to top it off scored the winning goal, wow
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 21, 2020, 09:34:04 PM
Was really good. He’s turning into a fine player.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: supertom on September 21, 2020, 09:36:42 PM
He's coming good. Looks a quality player and a shrewd bit of business. More importantly, he and Tyrone seem to have found a good cohesion. We've lack a good partnership for a while, so it's been promising to see them begin to form more of an understanding. Ezri was superb today.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: brontebilly on September 21, 2020, 09:40:53 PM
Played well throughout the whole 90 minutes and to top it off scored the winning goal, wow

He was shocking for their penalty. Sold himself stupidly 20 yards into their half, that was where the problems started. Redeemed himself with the goal but that kind of kamikaze defending needs to be stopped.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Edvard Remberg on September 21, 2020, 09:43:57 PM
22 years of age...
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: eamonn on September 21, 2020, 11:14:44 PM
Showed up them pundits saying if his hammy was playing up he shouldn't be playing the second half.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: KevinGage on September 21, 2020, 11:24:36 PM
Don't think he put a foot wrong defensively tonight, good turn of pace and has the welcome habit of chipping in with a few goals.

Mings takes pelters for not getting more, but his job seems to be to redirect the ball into dangerous areas. It looks like something they've worked on this season and last.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: danno on September 22, 2020, 12:38:24 AM
Showed up them pundits saying if his hammy was playing up he shouldn't be playing the second half.

Showed me up too! I couldn't understand taking any risks with him playing against ten men
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: olaftab on September 22, 2020, 12:42:44 AM
Made it into Garth’s team of the week:

(https://i.ibb.co/tZMwGhX/051-CC068-B5-BB-4-ED0-A0-E7-5-FDA2-F1928-E4.jpg) (https://ibb.co/tZMwGhX)
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: LeeB on September 22, 2020, 08:25:35 AM
Great to see a player growing into his role like he is. Looking like a snip when you think what Brighton paid for Webster, who is good but no better.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Mister E on September 22, 2020, 09:08:30 AM
Played well throughout the whole 90 minutes and to top it off scored the winning goal, wow
He was shocking for their penalty. Sold himself stupidly 20 yards into their half, that was where the problems started. Redeemed himself with the goal but that kind of kamikaze defending needs to be stopped.
The guy who went missing when Sheffu broke and won the pen was Mings - he'd galloped into the oppos penalty area just before the ball got shifted upfield quickly. Mings became a spectator.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: brontebilly on September 22, 2020, 09:42:03 AM
Played well throughout the whole 90 minutes and to top it off scored the winning goal, wow
He was shocking for their penalty. Sold himself stupidly 20 yards into their half, that was where the problems started. Redeemed himself with the goal but that kind of kamikaze defending needs to be stopped.
The guy who went missing when Sheffu broke and won the pen was Mings - he'd galloped into the oppos penalty area just before the ball got shifted upfield quickly. Mings became a spectator.

Mings was the one who was back at the end, stupidly showing Burke inside from where he made the pass for the penalty. Konsa was the one who sold himself I'm fairly certain.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: AV82EC on September 22, 2020, 10:26:26 AM
Played well throughout the whole 90 minutes and to top it off scored the winning goal, wow
He was shocking for their penalty. Sold himself stupidly 20 yards into their half, that was where the problems started. Redeemed himself with the goal but that kind of kamikaze defending needs to be stopped.
The guy who went missing when Sheffu broke and won the pen was Mings - he'd galloped into the oppos penalty area just before the ball got shifted upfield quickly. Mings became a spectator.

Mings was the one who was back at the end, stupidly showing Burke inside from where he made the pass for the penalty. Konsa was the one who sold himself I'm fairly certain.

You’re right Bronte, Konsa sold himself to a pathetically easy 1-2 on the edge of their box and was then out of the game. He did it again in the second half as well though did make up for both with well timed interceptions when Sheff U were coming forwards late on. He looks a player and is progressing very well.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: enigma on October 04, 2020, 05:32:30 AM
Nice write up on Villa generally and Konsa in particular. He's beginning to get noticed.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/oct/03/ezri-konsa-thriving-at-dean-smiths-fast-improving-aston-villa
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 04, 2020, 08:19:18 AM
Paul Doyle is a very good journalist - always interesting to listen to when he’s on the Guardian Football Weekly pod.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Steve67 on October 04, 2020, 08:47:41 AM
Konsa is turning into a quality player.  He needs to win more aerial duels but is quick and strong.  Good foil for Mings.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Brazilian Villain on October 04, 2020, 08:54:53 AM
Nice write up on Villa generally and Konsa in particular. He's beginning to get noticed.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/oct/03/ezri-konsa-thriving-at-dean-smiths-fast-improving-aston-villa

I hate articles like that on the day of games, almost tempting fate. Now watch Liverpool have one of their 'on' days.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 04, 2020, 10:49:23 AM
He will obviously have bad days - all players do - but the speed of his development is incredible. He a really good player now and will get even better. He’s been so impressive.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Pat Mustard on October 04, 2020, 10:56:07 AM
Konsa’s improvement is why it is difficult for us to look at another centre half in this window I think. At 22 years old he needs to be playing every week, and in a couple of years then we have potentially one of the best centre-halves in the league. Anyone we sign is therefore coming in as third choice, and with Engels and Hause here already I’m not sure how much of a priority that will be.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: CT on October 04, 2020, 12:11:51 PM
He’s forging a really decent partnership with Tyrone.

To be fair, Engels was too until his form fell away. Let’s hope Ezri can keep up the good work.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: rooboy316 on October 04, 2020, 03:06:49 PM
Konsa’s improvement is why it is difficult for us to look at another centre half in this window I think. At 22 years old he needs to be playing every week, and in a couple of years then we have potentially one of the best centre-halves in the league. Anyone we sign is therefore coming in as third choice, and with Engels and Hause here already I’m not sure how much of a priority that will be.

Might be feasible to get an experienced head in who’d be happy to be third choice. No idea who that might be though. I know we are going for the young resale value thing, but a bit of experience at centre back wouldn’t hurt. A PL standard Jedinak would be ace. Could also be back up holding midfielder, to be brought on to manage games late on.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: robleflaneur on October 04, 2020, 10:14:27 PM
I wasn't impressed with his early performces last season but he's a revelation now,quick,reads the game better and skilful.A much better defender than the England internstional,Gomez.
Fortunately for him,Mason Mount doesn't like to play in defence.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: darren woolley on November 08, 2020, 09:53:06 PM
He was immense again for us he just get's better and better.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: OCD on November 08, 2020, 09:55:29 PM
He's consistent and reliable.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: LukeJames on November 08, 2020, 09:58:36 PM
Should be in the England picture, Mings has had a few 8/9's and a couple of 3's, this guys has been consistent 7-10's
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 08, 2020, 09:58:49 PM
His goal drought continues.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: CT on November 08, 2020, 10:07:41 PM
Superb tonight.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 08, 2020, 10:10:05 PM
He’s an excellent player who has developed so fast.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: paul_e on November 08, 2020, 10:13:33 PM
My favourite thing from him was on about 80minutes, he broke forward and we lost the ball with him about 25 yards from their goal and, in a game we were leading comfortably, he bust a nut getting back at full sprint.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: jcsutv on November 08, 2020, 10:26:09 PM
Outstanding tonight.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Risso on November 08, 2020, 10:27:46 PM
I didn't notice him tonight, in a good way.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: J on November 08, 2020, 11:04:41 PM
To think that not so long ago he was playing at right back. Very impressed with him since he's moved back into the middle.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: leylandalbion on November 08, 2020, 11:12:19 PM
My favourite thing from him was on about 80minutes, he broke forward and we lost the ball with him about 25 yards from their goal and, in a game we were leading comfortably, he bust a nut getting back at full sprint.
Yeah, he sprinted past about 8 players and was first in our box to keep the shape. Superb effort
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: brontebilly on November 08, 2020, 11:21:29 PM
To think that not so long ago he was playing at right back. Very impressed with him since he's moved back into the middle.

Far more composed than Mings let's be honest
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Dave P on November 09, 2020, 09:56:52 AM
I think Konsa is better than Mings.  Don't get me wrong, I'm bloody chuffed we have both, but I think Konsa is developing into something a cut above.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Chris Smith on November 09, 2020, 10:14:09 AM
I think Konsa is better than Mings.  Don't get me wrong, I'm bloody chuffed we have both, but I think Konsa is developing into something a cut above.

To me it’s the partnership that is important, they work well as a pair but at the moment it seems that Mings is the one who organises and leads at the back.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: West Derby Villan on November 09, 2020, 10:16:18 AM
I think Konsa is better than Mings.  Don't get me wrong, I'm bloody chuffed we have both, but I think Konsa is developing into something a cut above.

To me it’s the partnership that is important, they work well as a pair but at the moment it seems that Mings is the one who organises and leads at the back.

Agree they compliment each other so well
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Risso on November 09, 2020, 10:21:18 AM
I think Konsa is better than Mings.  Don't get me wrong, I'm bloody chuffed we have both, but I think Konsa is developing into something a cut above.

To me it’s the partnership that is important, they work well as a pair but at the moment it seems that Mings is the one who organises and leads at the back.

I think Konsa will be more consistent.  When Mings has a bad game, he has a stinker.  Haven't seen that so much with Konsa.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 09, 2020, 10:24:21 AM
He intercepted and played some very neat passes from defence.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Drummond on November 09, 2020, 10:51:04 AM
My favourite thing from him was on about 80minutes, he broke forward and we lost the ball with him about 25 yards from their goal and, in a game we were leading comfortably, he bust a nut getting back at full sprint.
Yeah, he sprinted past about 8 players and was first in our box to keep the shape. Superb effort

I couldn't believe just how quick he was!
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Drummond on November 09, 2020, 10:52:15 AM
The two of them together could form one of those long-term partnerships at the back that we love so much. There's so much potential.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: brontebilly on November 09, 2020, 11:25:16 AM
I think Konsa is better than Mings.  Don't get me wrong, I'm bloody chuffed we have both, but I think Konsa is developing into something a cut above.

To me it’s the partnership that is important, they work well as a pair but at the moment it seems that Mings is the one who organises and leads at the back.

Does he? I thought Mings was average enough yesterday. In no man's land for the Lacazette header in the first half, fairly sure he was the nearest to Holding for that shot at start of second too. My main problem with Mings is that he gets himself into trouble more often than not. Running with the ball laterally and anything that involves his abomination of a right foot is trouble...

Konsa is different, his horrid ball watching habit from last season has disappeared and seems a classy defender now. Able to do the blocks like that cross in the first half yesterday but in the main he doesn't seem rushed and reads situations well.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: dave shelley on November 09, 2020, 12:35:10 PM
In today's over inflated transfer fees, Konsa is looking like a proper steal.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Hookeysmith on November 09, 2020, 12:40:59 PM
In today's over inflated transfer fees, Konsa is looking like a proper steal.

I think you can lay that against a few of ours

Cash - £14m  when Chillwell  / Mendy went for £50m
Martinez - When Pickford went for £30M
Luiz - countless wasted millions of a multitude of average midfielders |(pepe @ £70m - Christ)

I think our scouting and buying has been exceptional
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: dave.woodhall on November 09, 2020, 12:43:26 PM
Arsenal are buying players for £50 million. We're buying £50 million players.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Risso on November 09, 2020, 02:06:41 PM
In today's over inflated transfer fees, Konsa is looking like a proper steal.

I think you can lay that against a few of ours

Cash - £14m  when Chillwell  / Mendy went for £50m
Martinez - When Pickford went for £30M
Luiz - countless wasted millions of a multitude of average midfielders |(pepe @ £70m - Christ)

I think our scouting and buying has been exceptional


I take your point but think Chilwell is brilliant though, and worth every penny of that.  Luiz was really a glorified loan fee, we'll only see his real cost at the end of this season.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Jon Crofts on November 09, 2020, 02:10:25 PM
Arsenal are buying players for £50 million. We're buying £50 million players.

Thats a great analogy, Arsenal signed Willian for free and they were robbed.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: paul_e on November 09, 2020, 02:43:22 PM
Arsenal are buying players for £50 million. We're buying £50 million players.

Thats a great analogy, Arsenal signed Willian for free and they were robbed.

Willian is a highlights player, like a a more talented but equally flawed version of lansbury.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 11, 2020, 04:29:17 PM
What a wonderful cultured footballer this young man has become and huge part to why we have had such an excellent season overall defensively. Joe Gomez is now out of the England squad so there aren’t many better players based on ability and form than our Ezri.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Damo70 on November 11, 2020, 04:33:48 PM
In today's over inflated transfer fees, Konsa is looking like a proper steal.

I think you can lay that against a few of ours

Cash - £14m  when Chillwell  / Mendy went for £50m
Martinez - When Pickford went for £30M
Luiz - countless wasted millions of a multitude of average midfielders |(pepe @ £70m - Christ)

I think our scouting and buying has been exceptional


I take your point but think Chilwell is brilliant though, and worth every penny of that.  Luiz was really a glorified loan fee, we'll only see his real cost at the end of this season.

To be fair to Pickford I think he does the business for England. But would I swap Martinez for him? No chance.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 26, 2020, 07:45:17 PM
Came in from an illness. When we needed someone with maturity on the back of a red card and his team down to ten men. Gave such an unfazed display that you barely noticed him. But one moment stood out when the ball came to him just inside the Palace half and he spun and took out their attacking players with absolute ease. He is becoming a really wonderful footballer, not just a defender.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: West Derby Villan on December 26, 2020, 07:51:21 PM
Came in from an illness. When we needed someone with maturity on the back of a red card and his team down to ten men. Gave such an unfazed display that you barely noticed him. But one moment stood out when the ball came to him just inside the Palace half and he spun and took out their attacking players with absolute ease. He is becoming a really wonderful footballer, not just a defender.

Considering his age and relative inexperience at this level he is looking as if he’s played in the PL for years
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: VILLA MOLE on December 26, 2020, 07:56:35 PM
Came in from an illness. When we needed someone with maturity on the back of a red card and his team down to ten men. Gave such an unfazed display that you barely noticed him. But one moment stood out when the ball came to him just inside the Palace half and he spun and took out their attacking players with absolute ease. He is becoming a really wonderful footballer, not just a defender.


Yep he is graceful on the ball without doing too much
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on December 26, 2020, 08:03:35 PM
Came in from an illness. When we needed someone with maturity on the back of a red card and his team down to ten men. Gave such an unfazed display that you barely noticed him. But one moment stood out when the ball came to him just inside the Palace half and he spun and took out their attacking players with absolute ease. He is becoming a really wonderful footballer, not just a defender.
He's a class act and I love classy defenders.....God, obviously, Laursen, Des Walker (Forest), Franz Beckenbauer, Rudi Krol.....pick your own, but I think this young man has just got it.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Keeno on December 26, 2020, 08:08:53 PM
Came in from an illness. When we needed someone with maturity on the back of a red card and his team down to ten men. Gave such an unfazed display that you barely noticed him. But one moment stood out when the ball came to him just inside the Palace half and he spun and took out their attacking players with absolute ease. He is becoming a really wonderful footballer, not just a defender.

It's so true - it's like when we knew about Jack and no one else did. This kid is gonna play for England for many many years. Absolute baller on our hands.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 26, 2020, 10:39:17 PM
Thought he was very composed for us today. My uncle who can be a bit negative about us at times described him today as a "Rolls-Royce" of a player which sums him up quite nicely. Can't be long before he's in the England squad.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: brontebilly on December 26, 2020, 10:40:33 PM
Thought he was very composed for us today. My uncle who can be a bit negative bout us at times described him today as a "Rolls-Royce" of a player which sums him quite nicely. Can't be long before he's in the England squad.

He's in a different class to the likes of Mings already
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: ROBBO on December 26, 2020, 11:46:56 PM
Konsa is the best defender we have by quite a margin, lovely to watch.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 02, 2021, 07:51:31 PM
The only outfield player to have played 1000 minutes in the Premier League this season without being dribbled past. Helps when you’ve got Jack on your firm I suppose, but still pretty impressive.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: passport1 on January 02, 2021, 07:55:23 PM
He's a Rolls Royce of a defender
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Risso on January 02, 2021, 08:05:11 PM
He's great, and only going to get better.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Drummond on January 03, 2021, 12:56:21 AM
The only outfield player to have played 1000 minutes in the Premier League this season without being dribbled past. Helps when you’ve got Jack on your firm I suppose, but still pretty impressive.

Vin Dijk had unbelievable stats last season didn't he? Wasn't dribbled past once if I recall correctly.

Konsa is developing really well.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Luke8 on January 03, 2021, 08:56:43 AM
Don’t want to take anything away from Konsa, as I think he is an excellent defender, but I think that stat can be a bit misleading.

I’m sure I remember seeing that Mings only got dribbled past about twice last season. Lots of other factors can quite easily influence that stat.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Steve67 on January 03, 2021, 09:19:28 AM
Konsa is coming along nicely but needs to win a bit more in the air.  Great pace and strength, good general awareness and is destined for an international call up within 12 months I reckon.  He is going to be an excellent defender.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: eamonn on January 03, 2021, 12:25:57 PM
The only outfield player to have played 1000 minutes in the Premier League this season without being dribbled past. Helps when you’ve got Jack on your firm I suppose, but still pretty impressive.

Vin Dijk had unbelievable stats last season didn't he? Wasn't dribbled past once if I recall correctly.

Konsa is developing really well.

VVD did it with 5.5 times more the minutes played someone on Twitter is repeatedly saying.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: WassallVillain on January 04, 2021, 11:51:26 AM
The only outfield player to have played 1000 minutes in the Premier League this season without being dribbled past. Helps when you’ve got Jack on your firm I suppose, but still pretty impressive.

Vin Dijk had unbelievable stats last season didn't he? Wasn't dribbled past once if I recall correctly.

Konsa is developing really well.

VVD did it with 5.5 times more the minutes played someone on Twitter is repeatedly saying.

Maybe the Twitterites should also be referencing the amount of tactical fouls LFC commit to prevent opposition players getting a run at the defence.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 04, 2021, 08:50:15 PM
Guess which local rag is trying to sell him to Liverpool now?
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Villafirst on January 04, 2021, 10:03:51 PM
Guess which local rag is trying to sell him to Liverpool now?

Yes, that ragbag excuse for a newspaper is at it again! They're never satisfied. The Journo Joseph Chapman is a baggie!
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Astnor on January 05, 2021, 06:31:48 PM
Does he reminds a bit about JT?
The same confidence in his playing style?
Rember when Dean Smith had brought him over from Brentford  Ezri stated in an interview that he was looking forward to work with JT.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Mister E on January 23, 2021, 09:16:32 AM
Great piece in the GRauniad today - here (https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/jan/23/ezri-konsa-i-havent-got-any-secret-its-just-about-learning-my-trade)
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Mister E on January 23, 2021, 09:18:22 AM
Quote from: Grauniad
Ezri Konsa: 'I haven’t got any secret – it’s just about learning my trade'

Aston Villa centre-back reveals how listening to John Terry and watching videos of Paul McGrath has improved his all-round game

A weird thing happened on Wednesday during the match between Manchester City and Aston Villa, and it had nothing to do with an obscure loophole in the offside law. In the 52nd minute of City’s 2-0 win, Bernardo Silva dribbled past Ezri Konsa. No other player has managed to do that this season.

“I don’t even remember it happening,” says the Villa centre-back of Silva’s feat, but Konsa was well aware of his pristine record up to that point, which had made him unique. “It was a good thing to carry, the only defender [to have played at least 10 matches] in any of Europe’s top five leagues not to have been dribbled past. Bernardo Silva has broken it, but I’ll try to keep it to one.”

Asked why opponents find it so hard to get past him, the 23-year-old laughs modestly. “I haven’t got any secret – it’s just about learning my trade.”

The dribbling statistic is more than a piece of trivia; it is indicative of Konsa’s contribution, in only his second campaign in the top flight, to one of the stories of the season: Villa’s transformation from relegation candidates to challengers for the European places.

From having the second-leakiest defence in the Premier League last season, they have one of the most secure, having kept clean sheets in half their matches. Konsa’s undemonstrative excellence at the heart of their rearguard has led Dean Smith to compare him to Paul McGrath, the Villa and Republic of Ireland luminary voted PFA Players’ Player of the Year in 1993.

Konsa is not the sort to hype himself up, and is quick to explain his progression over the past three years from League One tyro to Premier League stalwart owes much to the positive influences around him, from Smith, John Terry and Tyrone Mings to footage he has studied of past greats, including McGrath and Rio Ferdinand. And also to his older brother, Antonio Konsa, who steered Ezri away from harm during a difficult childhood in a crime-ridden part of east London. There is a good reason Konsa has the word “blessed” tattooed on his left hand.

“I got it in my second season at Charlton,” he says. “It’s always there and it reminds me how far I’ve come and how blessed I am. It was difficult growing up where I grew up. There was a lot of crime and violence, but I am lucky to have an older brother who kept me out of trouble and kept me grounded. It’s always important to have support. It was tough, but me and my family and friends dealt with it and we got out of it. Hopefully what I’m doing now can inspire the next generation.”

Konsa joined Charlton in his teens from Senrab, the junior club whose alumni includes Sol Campbell, Ledley King and Terry. From Charlton he joined Brentford, where he first came under the wing of Smith. Before the start of last season Smith signed him for a second time, bringing him to Villa for £12m. The manager says Konsa is one of the young English talents around whom Villa can build a team that could compete regularly for honours.

“I’m very grateful to have a manager who believes in me so much,” says Konsa. “He has always said to me that he believes I can go to the very top. When he signed me at Brentford he threw me into the team straight away … and now I’m playing in the Premier League week in, week out. It’s important for a player to know your manager backs you all the way.”

At first Konsa, like most of his teammates, found the going tough in the Premier League. “For me the biggest thing to get used to was about getting punished for mistakes. Because that’s what happens when you make mistakes in the Premier League, whereas in the Championship you can sometimes get away with it. It’s not just mistakes on the ball, but off the ball as well.

“There was a game against Watford last season where Troy Deeney scored and my positioning wasn’t great. In the Premier League as a centre-half you always have to be looking over your shoulder and that’s something that I’ve really learned and has really helped. My mentality and reading of the game have really improved and that is also with a lot of help from the gaffer and John Terry.

“To have Terry working here with the defenders is a privilege. With the trophies he has won and the experience he has, it’s a no-brainer to go to him and ask for advice.”

While lessons learned on the pitch will always be the best, Villa are where they are now partly because they made the shrewdest use of last season’s lockdown, with Smith becoming an online tutor. “The gaffer used to make us defenders watch clips of teams that defend well, like Liverpool, Lazio and Atlético Madrid. And then I used to go away and watch my own clips as well, of [Nemanja] Vidic, [Rio] Ferdinand and Terry. The gaffer also showed me clips of McGrath. He could do it all.

“My mentality just changed. Just defending for my life, putting my body on the line, blocking shots, blocking everything. Becoming a real centre-half.”

That development was mirrored across the team. “We really tightened up as a unit, everyone defends for everyone.”

Konsa’s central-defensive partnership with Mings has become a formidable unit. Mings has been dribbled past twice this season, the next best in the Premier League (with Chelsea’s Kurt Zouma). Konsa is grateful to have the England international alongside him. “Throughout my whole career I’ve been guided by senior players who’ve guided me the way Tyrone does now,” he says, namechecking Jason Pearce, Naby Sarr and Roger Johnson at Charlton and Julian Jeanvier at Brentford. “Tyrone is always talking to me, which I appreciate a lot. We get on well off the pitch, too, and it’s important to have that chemistry.”

Villa’s evolution has been about more than gaining solidity. This season they have also attacked with pizzazz. Konsa has two goals thanks to his power from set pieces. “I got one goal last season and I wanted to do better. I’m aiming for five. Hopefully if I keep showing the dedication to attack the ball, I’ll get another three this season and possibly more.”

There is no limit to Villa’s ambitions. “It’s really enjoyable here – we’re in a really good place right now. We always believed that if we stayed up last season, then we would be much better. We are proving that. How high can we go? As high as we want. If we keep doing what we’re doing and keep trusting each other, I think we’ll go far.”
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: CT on January 23, 2021, 09:48:15 AM
If it wasn’t for Jack, Ezri would be my player of the year so far.

I remember when he came in for Engles, thinking he’d be a bit part player. I’d say he’s well and truly cemented that spot in the team now and he’s by far our best CB. His rise and development have been superb.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Drummond on January 23, 2021, 11:26:57 AM
He's been great, a solid attitude too and he's grounded. I'm looking forward to seeing him develop his career with us.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: PeterWithe on January 23, 2021, 11:34:42 AM
Reminds me I met the bloke who started the Senrab club, I was watching a Villa game in a bar in Spain and he was with a fella I know as they grew up togther in East London. His name was Barnes and club name is his, backwards. Arsenal fan I think he said, had some great stories about the players who came through his club. But I cant remember any of them. On reflection not the best anecdote.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Mellin on January 23, 2021, 11:49:33 AM
Answers the Senrab question. Always wondered what that was about whenever they came up.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Clampy on January 23, 2021, 11:53:34 AM
He's been great, a solid attitude too and he's grounded. I'm looking forward to seeing him develop his career with us.

I'm probably going to jinx it now but I don't think I've seen him have a bad game this season. Actually, I can't think of too may bad games from him since he's been here.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Mister E on January 23, 2021, 11:58:12 AM
He's been great, a solid attitude too and he's grounded. I'm looking forward to seeing him develop his career with us.

I'm probably going to jinx it now but I don't think I've seen him have a bad game this season. ..
Well, obviously the last one, against Citeh: he let Silva get past him  ;D
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: SheffieldVillain on January 23, 2021, 10:04:58 PM
Absolutely fantastic performance tonight.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Risso on January 23, 2021, 10:09:49 PM
Absolutely fantastic performance tonight.

Agreed, he's simply brilliant. I can't really think of a single mistake he's made this season.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: robleflaneur on January 23, 2021, 10:20:22 PM
Fantastic,has to be in the England squad.And a great overall display from the defence.Each one dominated his opponent and attacks were constantly built out from the back.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 23, 2021, 10:20:55 PM
I think he’s one of the best centre halves in the league. Brilliant.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: SheffieldVillain on January 23, 2021, 10:22:15 PM
Bit like Emi Martinez - not flashy, never any fuss, just does everything very calmly and very well.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Goldie.7 on January 23, 2021, 10:33:47 PM
He's the best centre-back at the club by far. He doesn't attempt the risky and casual play every match like Mings does.

I also think he probably would have scored tonight if Mings left the header to him from the free kick in the second half.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Steve67 on January 23, 2021, 10:39:33 PM
A Rolls-Royce of a player.  The best defender at the club.  Quick across the ground, covers really well.  Very good player and has trebled his value.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Tayls_7 on January 23, 2021, 10:54:57 PM
A Rolls-Royce of a player.  The best defender at the club.  Quick across the ground, covers really well.  Very good player and has trebled his value.

I love Ezri. That rare CH who is imperious and comes up with regular goals.  He hasn't trebled his value alone though. The coaches at Villa are fantastic now. We are so lucky that they are bringing the best out of all our players.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: dcdavecollett on January 24, 2021, 12:34:57 AM
Trebled his value??

He should be in the England squad. Last time I checked the going-rate for England centre-backs, they cost £80m (see Slabhead).

Anyone care to swap?
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: colin69 on January 24, 2021, 10:28:53 AM
Just so composed, has to be in the England squad very soon surely? Best since McGrath for me.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Risso on January 24, 2021, 10:35:58 AM
Just so composed, has to be in the England squad very soon surely? Best since McGrath for me.

We've had some very good defenders since McGrath. Southgate, Ehiogu, Mellberg and Laursen to name four, but this lad feels like something special. He doesn't appear to have a weakness in his game, and he's so composed. We've played all of the "big" clubs apart from Spurs, and he hasn't been found wanting in any of them against some extremely good forwards. I hope he's with us for the next 10 years.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: john e on January 24, 2021, 10:36:34 AM
Yeah I got this one wrong

I didn’t think he was going to be good enough at first but he clearly is

I still don’t think either of the centre backs are particularly great on the ball but they don’t have to be they just need to be great at defending which Konsa is doing
The key difference between the two is that Konsa doesn’t dwell on the ball and think he’s better than he actually is whereas Mings sometimes strolls around thinking his Franco Barresi who he is not

both outstanding central defenders so far this season Mings just needs to cut the sloppiness out but we’ve been saying that for a while now still his actual defending is First Class
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Risso on January 24, 2021, 10:39:57 AM
Yeah I got this one wrong

I didn’t think he was going to be good enough at first but he clearly is

I still don’t think either of the centre backs are particularly great on the ball but they don’t have to be they just need to be great at defending which Konsa is doing
The key difference between the two is that Konsa doesn’t dwell on the ball and think he’s better than he actually is whereas Mings sometimes strolls around thinking his Franco Barresi who he is not

both outstanding central defenders so far this season Mings just needs to cut the sloppiness out but we’ve been saying that for a while now still his actual defending is First Class

They must go through videos of all the goals conceded you'd have thought, so I don't get why Mings still tries to overplay things in every match. He did it again last night, but because Newcastle are shite we got away with it.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: TelfordVilla on January 24, 2021, 10:39:57 AM
I think mings was better last night than of late. A couple of times he just put the ball out rather than trying anything fancy. Konsa and mings are a very good partnership.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Steve67 on January 24, 2021, 10:49:33 AM
I think mings was better last night than of late. A couple of times he just put the ball out rather than trying anything fancy. Konsa and mings are a very good partnership.

I agree with you.  Mings was much better last night.  This is a very good partnership being developed and I like the full backs too.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: LeeB on January 24, 2021, 11:32:04 AM
Yeah I got this one wrong

I didn’t think he was going to be good enough at first but he clearly is

I still don’t think either of the centre backs are particularly great on the ball but they don’t have to be they just need to be great at defending which Konsa is doing
The key difference between the two is that Konsa doesn’t dwell on the ball and think he’s better than he actually is whereas Mings sometimes strolls around thinking his Franco Barresi who he is not

both outstanding central defenders so far this season Mings just needs to cut the sloppiness out but we’ve been saying that for a while now still his actual defending is First Class

They must go through videos of all the goals conceded you'd have thought, so I don't get why Mings still tries to overplay things in every match. He did it again last night, but because Newcastle are shite we got away with it.

Last night he got away with it because of Konsa's utter brilliance, but I still love him dearly and think his general Baresi tribute act brings more than it takes away.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: darren woolley on January 24, 2021, 02:02:12 PM
Ezri's been brilliant for us he seems to get better and better each game.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: dave shelley on January 24, 2021, 02:07:50 PM
If he maintains the level of progress he showing he will turn into a very cultured central defender.  He's not far off as it is.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: OCD on January 24, 2021, 02:22:32 PM
He's not just doing his job well now, he's doing his job AND getting Mings out of trouble on occasions.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: West Derby Villan on January 24, 2021, 08:08:41 PM
Potentially, the second coming?
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: frank black on January 24, 2021, 08:49:43 PM
He’s a very classy player, one would expect a new contract is a must soon.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Olof's Beard on January 24, 2021, 09:43:35 PM
He's developed a signature move this season to rival the McGrath heel and the Ugo stepover to user the ball out of play. There's the Ezri near post sliding interception now too. The extent of his improvement is staggering, ditto Targett. You have to give so much credit to both the players and the coaching staff. He'll be in the next England squad I reckon, it's not like Southgate is spoiled for choice at centre half and Konsa has now been brilliant for pretty much a full season worth of games straddling this season and last.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 24, 2021, 10:02:58 PM
Reminds me I met the bloke who started the Senrab club, I was watching a Villa game in a bar in Spain and he was with a fella I know as they grew up togther in East London. His name was Barnes and club name is his, backwards. Arsenal fan I think he said, had some great stories about the players who came through his club. But I cant remember any of them. On reflection not the best anecdote.

Haha great post though.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Mellin on January 24, 2021, 10:24:05 PM
Yeah I got this one wrong

I didn’t think he was going to be good enough at first but he clearly is

I still don’t think either of the centre backs are particularly great on the ball but they don’t have to be they just need to be great at defending which Konsa is doing
The key difference between the two is that Konsa doesn’t dwell on the ball and think he’s better than he actually is whereas Mings sometimes strolls around thinking his Franco Barresi who he is not

both outstanding central defenders so far this season Mings just needs to cut the sloppiness out but we’ve been saying that for a while now still his actual defending is First Class

They must go through videos of all the goals conceded you'd have thought, so I don't get why Mings still tries to overplay things in every match. He did it again last night, but because Newcastle are shite we got away with it.

Last night he got away with it because of Konsa's utter brilliance, but I still love him dearly and think his general Baresi tribute act brings more than it takes away.

Yep.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 24, 2021, 11:00:32 PM
Agree with all the praise above. Do we have a decent song for him?
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 24, 2021, 11:50:48 PM
Agree with all the praise above. Do we have a decent song for him?

No, but we have an indecent one.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 24, 2021, 11:58:31 PM
Agree with all the praise above. Do we have a decent song for him?

No, but we have an indecent one.

I know but I'd hoped that had been consigned to the dustbin of history.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Drummond on January 25, 2021, 12:37:23 AM
He's been watching videos of God.

He's obviously a great learner with years ahead of him.

Loves his partnership with Mings taking to him all the time too. I think his form is the thing making his partner look not so good whereas in reality Mings is doing just fine.

Another fabled pairing is developing I think...
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Duncan Shaw on January 25, 2021, 08:23:23 AM
Carragher was absolutely purring about him all game as well in the commentary so it will only be a matter of time that the media gets him a call up too.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: manic-road on January 25, 2021, 09:55:06 AM
Anybody know how long his contract is?
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: dave shelley on January 25, 2021, 12:35:07 PM
Anybody know how long his contract is?

Usually A4 I think.  ;)
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Steve67 on January 25, 2021, 07:16:25 PM
Anybody know how long his contract is?

Not long enough!
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: nigel on January 25, 2021, 07:18:28 PM
Carragher was absolutely purring about him all game as well in the commentary so it will only be a matter of time that the media gets him a call up too.

And the media try to sell him to Man U 🙄
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Hookeysmith on January 25, 2021, 08:31:45 PM
Carragher was absolutely purring about him all game as well in the commentary so it will only be a matter of time that the media gets him a call up too.

And the media try to sell him to Man U 🙄

Was just about to say the same thing
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: DrGonzo on February 09, 2021, 08:03:25 PM
As mentioned by Black Francis on the Ramsey thread, he is one to tie down to the longest contract we can.  He has come a long way in 18 months and could be an important part of this team for another 8-10 years...
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: eamonn on February 09, 2021, 08:17:58 PM
Yeah, I imagine a bumper deal will be proferred by the summer. Fully-deserved. The guy is a winner - he even hates  giving away corners!
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: PeterWithe on February 15, 2021, 09:21:30 AM
As well as the usual stuff about selling him to Liverpool or Spurs, the papers today reckon he can play football for England, DR Congo, Angola and Portugal.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 15, 2021, 11:05:49 AM
As well as the usual stuff about selling him to Liverpool or Spurs, the papers today reckon he can play football for England, DR Congo, Angola and Portugal.

As Benjamin Zephaniah put it, he's part of the London breed.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: OzVilla on February 15, 2021, 11:12:21 AM
Anybody know how long his contract is?

He signed for 5 years so it expires in the summer of 2023.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Exeter 77 on February 15, 2021, 11:16:01 AM
Anybody know how long his contract is?

He signed for 5 years so it expires in the summer of 2023.
Wouldn't that be 2024 if he signed in 2019?
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: OzVilla on February 15, 2021, 11:19:04 AM
Anybody know how long his contract is?

He signed for 5 years so it expires in the summer of 2023.
Wouldn't that be 2024 if he signed in 2019?

You’re right, it’s 4 years not 5. Contract expires June 2023.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 15, 2021, 11:21:43 AM
He needs a new one.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: frank black on February 15, 2021, 01:34:41 PM
He needs a new one.

Like yesterday! Judging by some stories today I imagine we are in mid negotiations
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: sid1964 on February 15, 2021, 01:52:24 PM
So the only way to make him stay is by paying him more money, is that the only ambition we can show him?
 
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: SheffieldVillain on February 15, 2021, 01:55:20 PM
So the only way to make him stay is by paying him more money, is that the only ambition we can show him?
 

No, we could spend loads of money on adding some very good players, augment the coaching staff, be in the middle of plans for a shit hot training facilitiy and go from relegation fodder to pushing for Europe in a season. Like we are.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Risso on February 15, 2021, 02:17:23 PM
They can't spend any of that though. And the other thing about a new contract is we can put a nice hefty buy out clause in, so if somebody does come knocking we can take them to the cleaners. £100m should do it.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: frank black on February 15, 2021, 03:26:51 PM
So the only way to make him stay is by paying him more money, is that the only ambition we can show him?
 

One would suspect he’s not one of our highest earners and if I’d played as well as he has, then I would be expecting to at least be a close match to Mings in terms of earnings. I fully expect us to move hell and earth to improve his contract, as I’m sure most would agree that he’s an absolute class act.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on February 15, 2021, 06:07:00 PM
They can't spend any of that though. And the other thing about a new contract is we can put a nice hefty buy out clause in, so if somebody does come knocking we can take them to the cleaners. £100m should do it.

I'd rather just no buyout clause. £100 million  won't look that ridiculous in a few years if he's established himself in the England team. Man U paid £80 million for Maguire, and he's very average.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 15, 2021, 06:22:41 PM
So the only way to make him stay is by paying him more money, is that the only ambition we can show him?
 

One would suspect he’s not one of our highest earners and if I’d played as well as he has, then I would be expecting to at least be a close match to Mings in terms of earnings. I fully expect us to move hell and earth to improve his contract, as I’m sure most would agree that he’s an absolute class act.

Exactly, given his current form I'm sure Esri is well aware of his worth to the club.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on February 15, 2021, 07:58:08 PM
As an aside, this talk of Konsa and maybe Cash getting international call ups made me wonder if we had ever had a goalkeeper and back four who were all internationals. We have. Bonus to whoever can name all five from the most recent Villa team that had this accolade.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Risso on February 15, 2021, 08:02:16 PM
As an aside, this talk of Konsa and maybe Cash getting international call ups made me wonder if we had ever had a goalkeeper and back four who were all internationals. We have. Bonus to whoever can name all five from the most recent Villa team that had this accolade.

Sorensen
Hughes Mellberg Laursen Bouma
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on February 15, 2021, 08:03:52 PM
More recent.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Risso on February 15, 2021, 08:05:06 PM
Guzan
Hutton Richards Lescott Cissokho
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on February 15, 2021, 08:05:45 PM
1/5 - Hutton
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Risso on February 15, 2021, 08:08:50 PM
1/5 - Hutton

I think you need to be more precise in your question setting then! Did you mean 'current' internationals?
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: KevinGage on February 15, 2021, 08:09:34 PM
So the only way to make him stay is by paying him more money, is that the only ambition we can show him?
 

One would suspect he’s not one of our highest earners and if I’d played as well as he has, then I would be expecting to at least be a close match to Mings in terms of earnings. I fully expect us to move hell and earth to improve his contract, as I’m sure most would agree that he’s an absolute class act.

It's the right way of doing it.

He'll have come in from the Championship on a modest (by PL standards) wage. From memory, he wasn't even a regular in the Brentford first team at the time.

He's taken his chance and then some.

No problem ponying up the £s for players who have contributed the way he and Jack have.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on February 15, 2021, 08:09:45 PM
No, just internationals. You're always an international once you've been one, I think. Like President of America.

I think four of the five would have been current internationals the time.

Edit: just checked. Three out of the five, another had recently retired from international football.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Risso on February 15, 2021, 08:12:39 PM
Kalinic
Hutton Chester (Jedinak?) Taylor
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: olaftab on February 15, 2021, 08:14:07 PM
Friedel
Young
Dunne
Collins
Warnock
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on February 15, 2021, 08:15:59 PM
Kalinic
Hutton Chester (Jedinak?) Taylor

Hutton, Chester and Jedinak all correct. The former was playing left back and the latter, ludicrously, centre-half. So you have a goalkeeper and right back to get.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Risso on February 15, 2021, 08:16:47 PM
Elmo?
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on February 15, 2021, 08:17:15 PM
Well done. Just the goalie left.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: algy on February 15, 2021, 08:19:04 PM
Well done. Just the goalie left.
Nyland?
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on February 15, 2021, 08:21:17 PM
Risso does all the work here, running past half a dozen players, rounding the keeper and... algy pushes him over to toepoke it in from on the goal line. Yes, Nyland is correct.

Well done Risso and algy.

For the record, it was Sheffield Wednesday at Villa Park. John McGinn absolutely TWATTED one in. We still lost.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: OCD on February 15, 2021, 08:54:23 PM
Not really surprising with that backline.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: steamer on February 16, 2021, 05:36:08 AM
BBC touting a Lpool summer bid, hardly surprising speculation.
I would think we can lock him up with golden handcuffs.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: sid1964 on February 16, 2021, 07:17:06 AM
If Liverpool make a bid for him and he wants to go he will be gone! players have all the power
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: TelfordVilla on February 16, 2021, 07:42:24 AM
Not much of a career jump from Villa 36 points from 22 games, to Liverpool 40 points from 24 games. Plus we have the owners to refuse any offers for players we want to keep. No more defeatist attitude please.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Mister E on February 16, 2021, 08:32:32 AM
If Liverpool make a bid for him and he wants to go he will be gone! players have all the power
They're still smarting after we dumped Downing on them for £20m ...
... and Benteke failed to reach his Villa heights in their red shirt.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on February 16, 2021, 09:19:37 AM
If Liverpool make a bid for him and he wants to go he will be gone! players have all the power

Agreed. Still gutted that we lost Grealish in 2018, but at least we seem to be doing okay without him.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Ian. on February 16, 2021, 09:28:57 AM
If Liverpool make a bid for him and he wants to go he will be gone! players have all the power
Nice to wake up to something positive.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on February 16, 2021, 09:35:43 AM
Not just Liverpool, Spurs too. It’ll certainly make a dent in their war chest!!
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: richtheholtender on February 16, 2021, 10:26:55 AM
I just do what the modern Aston Villa seems to always do..... tell em to piss off and get him to sign a new 5 year deal
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: aj2k77 on February 16, 2021, 10:30:06 AM
Would have to be £60m+. Young player, on the up, top 10 team. Maguire cost 80 Wan Bissaka a shed load too.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: eddiemunster on February 16, 2021, 10:58:21 AM
Would have to be £60m+. Young player, on the up, top 10 team. Maguire cost 80 Wan Bissaka a shed load too.
As Konsa isn't a red carthorse, then the price should be way, way more than £80m, not £60m.
That is if the club want to sell him, which I hope they don't.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Baldy on February 16, 2021, 11:00:51 AM
Counter Punch.

No deal for Konsa but we are interested in Salah.

Let's show the big boys 'times are a changing'.  :)
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: jwarry on February 17, 2021, 01:43:11 PM
Half of me is pissed off the the Athletic for posting such hearsay but the other half is quietly proud that finally other clubs want our players instead of having a team of money grabbing wankers with no sell on value
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Rigadon on February 17, 2021, 02:42:53 PM
Its' good to know that we don't have to sell our better players.  You will obviously still get the players who want to leave - will be interesting to see what happens if / (probably) when that occurs.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Damo70 on February 17, 2021, 04:04:47 PM
Friedel
Young
Dunne
Collins
Warnock

I had no recollection whatsoever of Warnock winning three England caps whilst playing for us.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: brontebilly on February 17, 2021, 11:18:59 PM
Friedel
Young
Dunne
Collins
Warnock

I had no recollection whatsoever of Warnock winning three England caps whilst playing for us.

He got picked in the WC2010 squad somehow.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: frank black on March 08, 2021, 05:28:11 PM
Bump, because he should always be on page one of our forum.

What a player!
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: LeeB on March 08, 2021, 05:58:01 PM
Bump, because he should always be on page one of our forum.

What a player!

Good point, cannot be overstated.

He's so smooth, I'm particularly enjoying his making out he's shielding a ball out of play, waiting for the attacker to commit, then turning the other way and striding off with the ball.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: OCD on March 08, 2021, 08:25:16 PM
When he first joined, Dean Smith said he would play for England. At the time it sounded like quite an outlandish thing to say but the way he's improved since we came back from the first lockdown...wow! You can see what Dean meant. It's quite refreshing to have a manager who seems to have a very keen eye for talent or at least, potential. I think he said similar about Targett too and most of us were wondering last season what he saw in him but we've all come to see that this season.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: frank black on March 09, 2021, 04:51:42 PM
When he first joined, Dean Smith said he would play for England. At the time it sounded like quite an outlandish thing to say but the way he's improved since we came back from the first lockdown...wow! You can see what Dean meant. It's quite refreshing to have a manager who seems to have a very keen eye for talent or at least, potential. I think he said similar about Targett too and most of us were wondering last season what he saw in him but we've all come to see that this season.

I’m still in shock in respect to Targets improvement.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Mister E on March 09, 2021, 04:59:55 PM
When he first joined, Dean Smith said he would play for England. At the time it sounded like quite an outlandish thing to say but the way he's improved since we came back from the first lockdown...wow! You can see what Dean meant. It's quite refreshing to have a manager who seems to have a very keen eye for talent or at least, potential. I think he said similar about Targett too and most of us were wondering last season what he saw in him but we've all come to see that this season.
I’m still in shock in respect to Targets improvement.
Targett is the highest-ranked AV defender in the fantasy football league I'm in, and is in the top ten of all Prem defenders.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: darren woolley on March 09, 2021, 05:15:57 PM
We must keep Ezri at all cost he will only get better.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: brontebilly on March 12, 2021, 10:39:27 PM
He's nailed on for the England squad and likely a starting spot. Bailing Mings out all night, simply levels above him (and likes of Keane, Maguire et Al) quality wise. His rate of improvement this season has been remarkable.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: OzVilla on March 12, 2021, 10:41:14 PM
MOTM tonight. Best player on the pitch by miles.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Ads on March 12, 2021, 10:42:09 PM
His distribution was poor, but his defending first rate.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Nunkin1965 on March 12, 2021, 10:46:10 PM
MOTM for me also.
I'd be amazed if he's not selected in the England squad.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: olaftab on March 12, 2021, 10:46:22 PM
Received  high praise from Cole and Lee post match.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Rudy65 on March 12, 2021, 10:47:21 PM
When he first joined, Dean Smith said he would play for England. At the time it sounded like quite an outlandish thing to say but the way he's improved since we came back from the first lockdown...wow! You can see what Dean meant. It's quite refreshing to have a manager who seems to have a very keen eye for talent or at least, potential. I think he said similar about Targett too and most of us were wondering last season what he saw in him but we've all come to see that this season.

I’m still in shock in respect to Targets improvement.

A good example of giving players time to settle and improve. Looked poor last season but excellent this. Not as great with Jack to link up to going forward though
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: OCD on March 12, 2021, 11:31:04 PM
Got the threads mixed up.

Yep, absolutely class again tonight. Must get a call-up.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 12, 2021, 11:33:56 PM
A new contract is what he needs. A long and lucrative one.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 12, 2021, 11:44:43 PM
A new contract is what he needs. A long and lucrative one.

Getting him and Martinez on 5 year deals needs to be done before any new signing.

Guy is just class, he reads play like prime Ferdinand or Terry and as good as Mings has been in last 6 weeks (poor tonight) looks more of England calibre CB of the two.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 13, 2021, 03:09:54 PM
He is bloody brilliant. He reminds me of Rio Ferdinand. We need to get him tied down to a new deal.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Dr Butler on March 13, 2021, 03:36:39 PM
He is bloody brilliant. He reminds me of Rio Ferdinand. We need to get him tied down to a new deal.

Paul he is better than any Ferdinand....Rio, Anton or Les...:)

UTV
The Doc
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Tayls_7 on March 13, 2021, 03:38:21 PM
He is bloody brilliant. He reminds me of Rio Ferdinand. We need to get him tied down to a new deal.

Paul he is better than any Ferdinand....Rio, Anton or Les...:)

UTV
The Doc

I don't see it. He reminds me more of a young John Legend.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 13, 2021, 03:54:16 PM
He is bloody brilliant. He reminds me of Rio Ferdinand. We need to get him tied down to a new deal.

Paul he is better than any Ferdinand....Rio, Anton or Les...:)

UTV
The Doc
Rio at his peak was some player and very quick.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: jwarry on March 13, 2021, 03:56:41 PM
Puts Bjorn and why Dean doesn’t play him in to perspective
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Risso on March 13, 2021, 04:49:03 PM
There was a bit last night towards the end where he took the ball down, and did a sort of keep-uppy before turning on the spot and playing the ball. Reminded me of a certain defender from a while ago...
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Tayls_7 on March 13, 2021, 10:58:09 PM
There was a bit last night towards the end where he took the ball down, and did a sort of keep-uppy before turning on the spot and playing the ball. Reminded me of a certain defender from a while ago...

Andy Comyn?
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: LukeJames on March 13, 2021, 11:02:06 PM
This guy is one of the most under rated players in the country for me, positioning is fucking superb. What is he? 22? Fucking hell, what a player we have.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Dante Lavelli on March 14, 2021, 08:42:27 AM
A new contract must be a priority in the summer.  A quick way to eliminate any speculation about his future, not to mention deserved.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on March 14, 2021, 09:03:58 AM
A new contract must be a priority in the summer.  A quick way to eliminate any speculation about his future, not to mention deserved.

Agreed, and if Ezri gets an England call up this week (as rumoured) then his new contract needs signing before the Euros, before he’s in the shop window for the whole of Europe.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: andyh on March 14, 2021, 09:12:28 AM
There was a bit last night towards the end where he took the ball down, and did a sort of keep-uppy before turning on the spot and playing the ball. Reminded me of a certain defender from a while ago...
I know exactly what you are intimating at and I agree. There are some flashes in his play that bring back some memories.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Steve67 on March 14, 2021, 11:20:06 AM
There was a bit last night towards the end where he took the ball down, and did a sort of keep-uppy before turning on the spot and playing the ball. Reminded me of a certain defender from a while ago...

Andy Comyn?

Silly Billy!!  He means Brendan Ormsby!

Another vote here for a new, long contract. 5 years please.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on March 14, 2021, 01:55:09 PM
A new contract must be a priority in the summer.  A quick way to eliminate any speculation about his future, not to mention deserved.

I'd prefer it done ASAP. I'd be amazed if he's not already on Liverpool's radar.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: LukeJames on March 14, 2021, 02:09:27 PM
I don't think it matters one bit if he is on their radar, under these owners we haven't sold a single player that we've wanted to keep.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: RamboandBruno on March 14, 2021, 02:52:53 PM
There was a bit last night towards the end where he took the ball down, and did a sort of keep-uppy before turning on the spot and playing the ball. Reminded me of a certain defender from a while ago...

Andy Comyn?

Silly Billy!!  He means Brendan Ormsby!

Another vote here for a new, long contract. 5 years please.
Ahem, Brendan Ormsby was a friend of the family, in poor health now unfortunately....though take the point being made in relation to Konsa.

Konsa is a class act and villa fans have all know for nearly a year what the general football world have just discovered.
Agree with the general consensus, sign him up ASAP
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on March 14, 2021, 03:29:29 PM
I don't think it matters one bit if he is on their radar, under these owners we haven't sold a single player that we've wanted to keep.

I'd prefer we have our house in order rather than somebody coming along to test our mettle. Agents are scumbags. Konsa is pure class, an absolute joy to watch. The fact he's only 22 is mind blowing, he reads the game like a veteran and his style is so suited to international football. Something that won't have gone unnoticed.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: OCD on March 18, 2021, 02:32:57 PM
How is Konsa not in the squad?
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Risso on March 18, 2021, 02:35:59 PM
How is Konsa not in the squad?

How have you not realised that Gareth Southgate is an utter moron?! ;)
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: OCD on March 18, 2021, 02:38:09 PM
Oh I know but I thought even he would have connected the dots by now.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Risso on March 18, 2021, 02:40:16 PM
Oh I know but I thought even he would have connected the dots by now.

If he really thinks that a fat, slow, shit midfielder like Dier is a better option, then he deserves all the failure that is ultimately coming his way.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 18, 2021, 02:44:49 PM
Oh I know but I thought even he would have connected the dots by now.

If he really thinks that a fat, slow, shit midfielder like Dier is a better option, then he deserves all the failure that is ultimately coming his way.
let’s face it, he is a piss poor manager.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on March 18, 2021, 03:24:23 PM
It's my view that southgate is very much in the pockets of the sky 6. Whilst pointless speculation surrounds Ezri, one of those clubs will needlessly feel they can get him cheaper as an uncapped player. It was the same with Jack. Sign Ezri up to a long term deal and I'm sure international recognition will follow and the sky 6 clubs will crawl back under the nearest rock again. The guy is pure class, so reward him and make him a mainstay of our defence for years to come.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Smithy on March 18, 2021, 03:45:03 PM
I don't buy the "in the pocket of" stuff about Southgate.  I just think the players in those top 6-ish positions tend to get the benefit of the doubt because they're mostly playing in sides that perform better more regularly, and they play (or have played) European football, which is closer to International football than the Premier League.  It doesn't make them automatic choices, and good players will always break through, but it's an obvious advantage they have in the eyes of Southgate (and other England managers before him).

I wouldn't swap Ezri for Eric Dier plus £20m, but I can understand why Southgate has picked him, given he's been part of his squads for years, and has been playing European football.  It's shit, but I understand why it's shit.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 18, 2021, 03:55:38 PM
Oh I know but I thought even he would have connected the dots by now.

If he really thinks that a fat, slow, shit midfielder like Dier is a better option, then he deserves all the failure that is ultimately coming his way.

fucking Eric Dier who cannot get into his own team. But he is somehow better than one of the brightest prospects in his actual position than a shit midfielder shunted into CB where he is even shitter.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: brontebilly on March 18, 2021, 04:06:16 PM
Embarrassing from Southgate yet again!
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: UK Redsox on March 18, 2021, 04:55:13 PM
When one of you figures out what on earth is going on inside Southgate's head when he's thinking about selections, you can move on to Eddie Jones.
His choices are even more bizarre
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Villafirst on March 18, 2021, 05:03:32 PM
Eric Dier?? He can't even make the Spurs starting eleven!
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 18, 2021, 05:04:27 PM
When one of you figures out what on earth is going on inside Southgate's head when he's thinking about selections, you can move on to Eddie Jones.
His choices are even more bizarre
Southgate is not difficult to read, his strategy is based on his perception of low risk. He is fixated on stability and dependability. He does not like change, he is risk averse and does not have a creative or innovative bone in his body.


Eddie Jones is an egotistical nut job.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: brontebilly on March 18, 2021, 05:09:47 PM
When one of you figures out what on earth is going on inside Southgate's head when he's thinking about selections, you can move on to Eddie Jones.
His choices are even more bizarre
Southgate is not difficult to read, his strategy is based on his perception of low risk. He is fixated on stability and dependability. He does not like change, he is risk averse and does not have a creative or innovative bone in his body.


I can't fathom how any manager could deem any of those other centre backs better than Konsa. An argument could be made that Stones is in equally good form but none of the others are in the same class as Konsa including Mings let's be honest. Continuing to select the likes of Maguire, Coady and Dier will cost England big time as none of them have any pace on the turn.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Clampy on March 18, 2021, 05:24:05 PM
He can count himself unlucky not to have been included. He really hasn't put a foot wrong since he's been a regular starter. A fantastic bit of business by Smith. Not just that £12m looks an absolute steal but his judgement that he could play at this level was spot on.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 18, 2021, 05:28:39 PM
You can sort of make a case for Stones and Maguire, but Eric fucking Dire.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: OCD on March 18, 2021, 06:09:42 PM
He can count himself unlucky not to have been included. He really hasn't put a foot wrong since he's been a regular starter. A fantastic bit of business by Smith. Not just that £12m looks an absolute steal but his judgement that he could play at this level was spot on.

Smith said he would play for England when he first joined so he didn't just think he was good enough for this level.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: darren woolley on March 18, 2021, 07:49:20 PM
Ezri should have been in this squad he's been immense this season.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: West Derby Villan on March 18, 2021, 11:22:32 PM
Slightly tongue in cheek, but our last central defender, that got promoted to the full England squad, played very inconsistently for the following 6 months.......
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: eamonn on March 18, 2021, 11:38:02 PM
Maybe Gareth thought picking three (four if Jack was fit) players from a midtable team may have been taking the piss.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: OCD on March 19, 2021, 10:46:21 AM
Matt Cash got a namecheck too when asked why Alexander-Arnold had been left out too, citing how competitive the position is.

If asked, I bet Southgate would say something like he's on their radar and if he keeps playing as he is, it can only be a matter of time. San Marino  and Albania aren't going to be  much of a test for a centre back but are a great chance for a forward like Watkins. Maybe that's part of the thinking too. A short sighted one admittedly with the Euro's coming and defence being a big enough problem to lead to switching to playing 3 centre backs.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: DB on April 02, 2021, 06:02:54 PM
Contract signed until 2026.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 02, 2021, 06:04:24 PM
Good stuff. Well deserved.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: JuanMartinez on April 02, 2021, 06:09:29 PM
Absolutely fantastic news from the club.

Well done Aston Villa and Konsa.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: aldridgeboy on April 02, 2021, 06:10:09 PM
Brilliant business. Well done to us.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Drummond on April 02, 2021, 06:10:13 PM
I'm impressed with our business. Just getting it all done. We're building chaps, we're growing...
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on April 02, 2021, 06:13:15 PM
Good lad Ezri!
Sky 6 watch and weep!
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: dicedlam on April 02, 2021, 06:22:50 PM
Fantastic news!
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Risso on April 02, 2021, 06:26:59 PM
Excellent news, as it stands I think he's our player of the season so far. Jack and Martinez have obviously been great, but Jack has missed a big chunk of games and Emi has had one or two poor games, whereas Konsa has just been effortlessly pristine.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: JuanMartinez on April 02, 2021, 06:33:07 PM
I think it’s harsh to differentiate a mistake between a GK and any other position, we all know the consequences are usually more devastating.

To have  the second highest clean sheets for a side that is mid table is quite an achievement, that said Konsa has contributed to this so hard to choose.

Martinez.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: SaddVillan on April 02, 2021, 06:39:08 PM
Good stuff. Well deserved.

BOOM!!!
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Ian. on April 02, 2021, 06:42:06 PM
Superb news. Hope with this and Jack back tomorrow it’s a welcome boost to kick us back into some end of season form.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Steve67 on April 02, 2021, 06:45:06 PM
The centre of our defence is set for years.  Great news.  Far better player than John Stones.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Risso on April 02, 2021, 06:46:56 PM
I think it’s harsh to differentiate a mistake between a GK and any other position

I honestly couldn't give a stuff what you think.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 02, 2021, 06:53:38 PM
He’s a superb footballer. Our defence is very good now, young and only going to get better. We need some quality depth now at CB and LB.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: paul_e on April 02, 2021, 06:57:08 PM
Great news, very good player who will only get better, he's one of a group which show exactly why signing players at 21-24 is a better plan than guys pushing 30. I particularly love the fact that our squad is growing together, it should make keeping the group together easier so long as we keep improving.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: The Edge on April 02, 2021, 06:59:56 PM
Brilliant news for the club and Ezri. Fully deserved.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 02, 2021, 07:04:11 PM
Excellent news on what is a Good Friday.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: richtheholtender on April 02, 2021, 07:04:57 PM
Great stuff. I really like the business we do these days. Proper length of contract for his talent and age.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: frank black on April 02, 2021, 07:33:36 PM
Perfect
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 02, 2021, 07:47:13 PM
Absolutely delighted and at the same time shocked nobody out there got in to turn his head and by 'nobody' I mean the giant clubs of Europe. Konsa wouldn't look out of place at the Camp Nou, the San Siro or the Bernabéu, his graceful style would fit in effortlessly. And to think he's only just turned 23. Brilliant news.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 02, 2021, 08:48:30 PM
Great stuff. I really like the business we do these days. Proper length of contract for his talent and age.

Should’ve been a four year deal with us sweating as the last 12 months comes into view.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 02, 2021, 09:37:03 PM
Brilliant stuff.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: colin69 on April 02, 2021, 09:55:21 PM
For me he is our best player and reminds me so much of McGrath. Him and Mings should be starting for England. Made up by this.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: OzVilla on April 02, 2021, 10:00:12 PM
Brilliant news. This bloke is young and will only improve, and he’s already outstanding.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Goldie.7 on April 02, 2021, 10:26:08 PM
Good news.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 02, 2021, 10:27:24 PM
Excellent
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Matt C on April 03, 2021, 12:32:29 AM
More good business. Our player of the season so far.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: manic-road on April 03, 2021, 07:31:55 AM
I think that this is absolutely brilliant news, this is the best defence that we have had for many years and hopefully they will only get better. Ezri has continually improved and in my biased view should be in the England squad above the likes of Stones and Dier.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: richtheholtender on April 03, 2021, 08:41:30 AM
Great stuff. I really like the business we do these days. Proper length of contract for his talent and age.

Should’ve been a four year deal with us sweating as the last 12 months comes into view.


It would have been at one stage. Probably a three year deal. Then we would give someone in the autumn of their career a longer deal. Like I said thankfully then days appear to be gone.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: SamTheMouse on April 03, 2021, 08:43:53 AM
Brilliant news. After Jack, he's our number one long-term asset.

God, it's nice having competent owners and execs for a change.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: richtheholtender on April 03, 2021, 08:44:31 AM
Absolutely delighted and at the same time shocked nobody out there got in to turn his head and by 'nobody' I mean the giant clubs of Europe. Konsa wouldn't look out of place at the Camp Nou, the San Siro or the Bernabéu, his graceful style would fit in effortlessly. And to think he's only just turned 23. Brilliant news.




He probably did get his head turned but most likely took a glance back and thought “Do I really want to leave this? Is there actually anywhere better? I’ll stay”.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: JuanMartinez on April 03, 2021, 08:57:36 AM
Massive statement of intent, keep Jack, Strengthen / upgrade the midfield - cover for defence and we are cooking on gas.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Nunkin1965 on April 03, 2021, 10:19:46 AM
Fantastic news. Ezri could play for.any side and absolutely not look out of place.
The guy is a Rolls Royce of a player and its a brilliant statement from the club.
The only downside is that we haven't been able to show the guy how good we think he is on matchdays!
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Villa Lew on April 03, 2021, 11:06:56 AM
Great news has been superb this season and at only 23 only going to get better.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: olaftab on April 03, 2021, 11:46:03 AM
Well deserved. Developing into a great player.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: RamboandBruno on April 03, 2021, 12:05:20 PM
My 11 year who absolutely knows his football, plays in defence for his Sunday team, and loves Konsa. This time last year he was telling me what a top player Konsa was, better than Mings in his view, and that was when we were not very good.
Great bit of business this and shows a real intent from the club.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: mrfuse on April 03, 2021, 02:13:24 PM
Really happy for the lad hes been outstanding
How he hasn't made the England Squad is a joke with the lack of quality in that position.

To be honest he should still be in it even if we had a few decent players.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: darren woolley on April 03, 2021, 04:35:59 PM
I'm so happy he's signed a new contract he's been brilliant for us.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 04, 2021, 01:43:28 AM
He’s a top player and personally I think he’s the best English centre half about.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Drummond on April 04, 2021, 08:16:20 AM
Really happy for the lad hes been outstanding
How he hasn't made the England Squad is a joke withe lack of quality in that position is a joke.

To be honest he should still be in it if we had a few decent players in that position.

I think he'll be in after the Euros.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: LeeB on April 04, 2021, 08:57:57 AM
Really happy for the lad hes been outstanding
How he hasn't made the England Squad is a joke withe lack of quality in that position is a joke.

To be honest he should still be in it if we had a few decent players in that position.

I think he'll be in after the Euros.

Yeah, as soon as either Maguire or Stones cost us the tournament with a calamitous mistake, he’ll get called up.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Drummond on April 04, 2021, 09:02:03 AM
Precisely. Then he'll have 3 years to get used to it before the World Cup.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Hookeysmith on April 04, 2021, 10:15:51 AM
5 year contract - so how long until papers link him with United ?
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: exigo on April 04, 2021, 10:25:51 AM
Did our local rag go with "Villa price Konsa out of dream move with five year contract"?
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: andyh on April 04, 2021, 10:59:55 AM
Did our local rag go with "Villa price Konsa out of dream move with five year contract"?
And Liverpool, Man Utd, Man City and Chelsea are continuing to monitor the situation
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: p_ad on April 04, 2021, 11:21:49 AM
Just love the way we're going about our business these days , no big hullabaloo just getting things done.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: dcdavecollett on April 06, 2021, 01:17:30 AM
Excellent news! We're building something here, aren't we?
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Mister E on April 06, 2021, 09:06:08 AM
Precisely. Then he'll have 3 years to get used to it before the World Cup.
Or 1 year for Qatar 2022.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: LukeJames on April 06, 2021, 09:44:59 AM
There was a moment in the first half when Mitrovic spun Mings on the halfway line and could of had a clear run through or played the ball through, Konsa read this and put his leg between Mitrovic's legs and gave a little tug killing the momentum dead.

It was clever and a bit of a shit house move. Fulham momentum ended, we re-grouped and no yellow card.

I get the impression that that was the Terry effect.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: VILLA MOLE on April 06, 2021, 09:58:36 AM
He is very calm and cool isn’t he ?
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: eamonn on April 06, 2021, 11:45:33 AM
Has he dropped a "Mings" yet in terms of errors?
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: OCD on April 06, 2021, 11:47:01 AM
Has he dropped a "Mings" yet in terms of errors?

Don't think so. He's so smooth. Amazing that everyone has Mings in their England squad but not Konsa. He's a class act.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Smithy on April 06, 2021, 11:54:07 AM
Has he dropped a "Mings" yet in terms of errors?

Don't think so. He's so smooth. Amazing that everyone has Mings in their England squad but not Konsa. He's a class act.

Tyrone is a very good defender, but if he was a right-sided centre-back I do wonder if his England place would be as assured.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Drummond on April 06, 2021, 05:03:34 PM
Precisely. Then he'll have 3 years to get used to it before the World Cup.
Or 1 year for Qatar 2022.

Erm, yes. Quite.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: dcdavecollett on April 08, 2021, 12:43:19 AM
A few months ago, I read on Molineux Mix that Konsa was just another diving Villa scumbag...
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 08, 2021, 09:58:32 AM
A few months ago, I read on Molineux Mix that Konsa was just another diving Villa scumbag...


Even if he is - that's ok by me :)
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 03, 2021, 06:15:06 AM
I've been down a YouTube rabbit hole. They both seem like thoroughly lovely fellas.


I'll post the same on the other's thread too, for the sake adhering to the Ministerial Code.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Drummond on May 24, 2021, 11:20:35 AM
I love the passion Konsa shows. When there's a disagreement he's one of the first on the scene, standing up for his teammates, and he really takes no shit from anyone.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Smithy on May 24, 2021, 11:23:46 AM
I love the passion Konsa shows. When there's a disagreement he's one of the first on the scene, standing up for his teammates, and he really takes no shit from anyone.

Yet very rarely looks anything other than completely calm and in control while the ball is 'in play'.  Speaks volumes about his mental strength I think.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: brontebilly on May 24, 2021, 11:28:08 AM
Classy defender, the best CB we have had in a long time. Don't want to see him at RB too many more times, mind.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Drummond on May 24, 2021, 11:39:17 AM
I love the passion Konsa shows. When there's a disagreement he's one of the first on the scene, standing up for his teammates, and he really takes no shit from anyone.

Yet very rarely looks anything other than completely calm and in control while the ball is 'in play'.  Speaks volumes about his mental strength I think.

Absolutely. We're building a team with a lot of leaders in it. He's a future Captain in my view, and not just for Villa but his country too.

Martinez, Konsa, Mings, McGinn, Grealish and Watkins are all captain material, either through leading by example or by their personality and leadership. Not that I'm advocating change.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on August 21, 2021, 09:32:15 PM
Love, love, love this man. There was a point today where the ball came in from our right and he killed the ball in our six yard box, waited to see if Martinez was coming for it, decided he probably wasn't, so cleared it out towards Cash. All done like he had all the time in the world. Baresi, maybe even God himself would've been nodding their heads in approval at that.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Louzie0 on August 21, 2021, 10:27:56 PM
Konsa is Bostin.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: OCD on August 22, 2021, 12:36:22 AM
He was calmer than me. I was shouting to get rid of it lol.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 28, 2021, 02:34:49 PM
A great honour for him to captain today against his old club too!
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Villafirst on August 28, 2021, 06:11:15 PM
What is the injury he picked up. Ffs we don't need any more!
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: frank black on August 28, 2021, 06:17:18 PM
Looked like something up with his knee, which is par for the course for us.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: ozzjim on August 28, 2021, 06:24:35 PM
It was his knee. Why he was allowed to carry on is anyone's guess, but that is the second player we have allowed to do that with a knee injury now.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Demitri_C on August 28, 2021, 06:37:59 PM
Surely if its a bd injury which it looks like we need to sign another cb?
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: OCD on August 28, 2021, 06:39:16 PM
Another Villa player fell into the back of Konsa's knee. He wouldn't have known anything about it so had no chance to set himself, probably jarred his knee. Hopefully can recover during the international break in time for the Chelsea game.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Demitri_C on August 28, 2021, 07:55:39 PM
Smith says he doesnt think its that bad thankfully
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: richtheholtender on August 28, 2021, 08:03:27 PM
Smith says he doesnt think its that bad thankfully



Out till Christmas then
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 28, 2021, 08:16:33 PM
It was his knee. Why he was allowed to carry on is anyone's guess, but that is the second player we have allowed to do that with a knee injury now.

That's not good. I remember years back Okore walking off thinking it wasn't too bad and then came through a day or two later he'd done his ACL.

If there's any hint of that it's bizarre if he came back on the pitch but then we also did it with Mings 18 months back and that put him out for a month.

Was right by the Holte in upper Witton so just thought he'd gone up for the header and hurt his ribs or back so not good at all it's the knee.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Louzie0 on August 28, 2021, 08:39:31 PM
Sending positive vibes to Konsa’s knee.
We can’t have both him and Mings out.
Thank goodness for international breaks in the season.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: OCD on August 28, 2021, 08:57:45 PM
It was his knee. Why he was allowed to carry on is anyone's guess, but that is the second player we have allowed to do that with a knee injury now.

That's not good. I remember years back Okore walking off thinking it wasn't too bad and then came through a day or two later he'd done his ACL.

If there's any hint of that it's bizarre if he came back on the pitch but then we also did it with Mings 18 months back and that put him out for a month.

Was right by the Holte in upper Witton so just thought he'd gone up for the header and hurt his ribs or back so not good at all it's the knee.

When I saw Okore's injury, I thought very differently...I thought he's knee's fucked.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Legion on August 28, 2021, 10:18:07 PM
Smith says he doesnt think its that bad thankfully



Out till Christmas then

Very good.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Mister E on August 29, 2021, 01:04:40 PM
The injury was sustained during a corner wrongly awarded. That's where our luck currently is.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Havencheese on August 30, 2021, 02:05:22 AM
Correct. Tuanzebe’s boot was ripped off underfoot as he was clearly shoved by that shitkicking chancer Wissa who had the ref totally duped on no less than three occasions.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Villafirst on August 30, 2021, 04:48:31 AM
I've watched it back and the ref was absolutely useless all game. A bad foul on Danny Ings and he waved play on! Treading on Tuanzebe's boot and pushing him in the back was also allowed! Hopefully Ezri is ok.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: OzVilla on August 30, 2021, 07:26:21 AM
Normally I doubt worry about refs decisions as some go for you and some don't (Kevin Friend aside that is).

But that Ings tackle that wasn't given was scarily bad.  If you're not even seeing those it's time to seriously consider another career.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Villafirst on August 30, 2021, 07:50:21 AM
Normally I doubt worry about refs decisions as some go for you and some don't (Kevin Friend aside that is).

But that Ings tackle that wasn't given was scarily bad.  If you're not even seeing those it's time to seriously consider another career.

Agree, it could've been a red card. But not even a yellow and no free kick? Ridiculously bad.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: ozzjim on August 30, 2021, 08:18:25 AM
The Konsa one for the corner too. Both Wissa. He committed about 7 fouls in ten minutes without a booking, including a couple of real off ones.

Mind you if VAR didn't pick up on Pogba tagging Neves yesterday what hope is there.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: nigel on August 30, 2021, 08:32:49 AM

But that Ings tackle that wasn't given was scarily bad.  If you're not even seeing those it's time to seriously consider another career.

I think he played ‘advantage’ which it hardly was, as whoever had the ball also had 3 of their players on him.
This advantage rule seems to be a get out of jail free card for the refs. They should have to allow at least half a dozen passes before it’s deemed a true advantage.
Flippin heck, in rugby you can go a couple of minutes and it’s still bought back to the original offence.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Ian. on August 30, 2021, 08:36:18 AM
I watched a bit of Leeds Burnley yesterday, there was an incident in the box from a corner. The corner had to be retaken because of the usual pushing and shoving etc. It was one lad in particular and even a Leeds player had to calm down his team mate a bit. You’d have thought after a warning from the ref this was going to be watched as soon as the corner retaken. The Leeds player then pulled down the same player with his shirt and absolutely nothing was done. It was blatant and because of the previous you’d think it would be dealt with.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: tony scott on August 31, 2021, 03:05:48 AM
DS “he’s knees not to bad” very worrying indeed
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 31, 2021, 09:22:57 AM
I've long given up trusting any Dean Smith absence report. He probably still thinks Glenn Miller will be back soon.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: LeeB on August 31, 2021, 09:27:59 AM
"Rob Scott has been doing some work with ice packs and should be back soon"
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Drummond on August 31, 2021, 10:00:24 AM
I've long given up trusting any Dean Smith absence report. He probably still thinks Glenn Miller will be back soon.

Buddy Holly is flying back from rehab as we speak.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Villafirst on September 10, 2021, 04:23:42 AM
Encouraging that Ezri is shown out on the training pitch in a photo on twitter. Although his left knee is shown taped up - rumoured MCL injury (Medial Collateral Ligament). Hopefully it's just a strain.....we await Dean Smith's update in the press conference later.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Mister E on September 10, 2021, 07:11:22 AM
Encouraging that Ezri is shown out on the training pitch in a photo on twitter. Although his left knee is shown taped up - rumoured MCL injury (Medial Collateral Ligament). Hopefully it's just a strain.....we await Dean Smith's update in the press conference later.
... to learn what, exactly?
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Risso on September 10, 2021, 07:45:52 AM
"Yeah, no, Trez is still a few months away from doing any work on grass, and Martinez won't be back from Croatia. That's it." *Looks nervously at camera, chews lip, hides team list for Saturday under folded arms like a 12 year old shielding his exam paper*
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: dicedlam on September 10, 2021, 09:33:51 AM
"Yeah, no, Trez is still a few months away from doing any work on grass, and Martinez won't be back from Croatia. That's it." *Looks nervously at camera, chews lip, hides team list for Saturday under folded arms like a 12 year old shielding his exam paper*

I just need to hear at today's press conference Dean letting us know who is 'loading' and who is not?  Should then be easy enough to work out who plays tomorrow.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: paul_e on September 10, 2021, 09:48:49 AM
Encouraging that Ezri is shown out on the training pitch in a photo on twitter. Although his left knee is shown taped up - rumoured MCL injury (Medial Collateral Ligament). Hopefully it's just a strain.....we await Dean Smith's update in the press conference later.

If they've got him out training then it won't have been anything more than that, that's one of the ligaments I've torn in the past and for that specifically you just have no strength in the joint for ages, I remember it feeling like my knee was going to buckle inwards just walking around with a full brace, there's no way you'd be running about with the little bit of strapping he had on if it was much more than a tweak.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 10, 2021, 11:42:29 AM
Assume it will be Axel-Mings tomorrow.

That said Hause did very well in both Chelsea games last season. No Giroud anymore but Lukaku is obviously a massive threat if he plays aerially.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Villafirst on September 10, 2021, 11:47:32 AM
Assume it will be Axel-Mings tomorrow.


That said Hause did very well in both Chelsea games last season. No Giroud anymore but Lukaku is obviously a massive threat if he plays aerially.

Has DS mentioned Konsa's fitness in his press conference?
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: OCD on September 10, 2021, 11:49:32 AM
Konsa wasn't even mentioned in the comments on the OS from the presser.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Mister E on September 10, 2021, 02:29:57 PM
Konsa wasn't even mentioned in the comments on the OS from the presser.
hmmm, that - based on previous injury issues - does not bode well.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Dave on September 10, 2021, 02:48:35 PM
Konsa wasn't even mentioned in the comments on the OS from the presser.
hmmm, that - based on previous injury issues - does not bode well.

The FPL site suggests that he has a 75% chance of playing.

Which is probably nothing more than a finger in the air and taking a guess, but it would suggest that even if he doesn't play tomorrow, it's nothing too serious.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 01, 2021, 05:49:05 PM
Heard Dean Smith saying he was surprised EK didn't get in the engaldn squad this time around

I think sooner rather than later he'll be in.
To me Wolves Conor Coady is lucky to still be in there. And in there at all. He developed under Nuno but he's reached his level and anytime he comes up against against high calibre striker he's often found wanting.
Slow on the ball and poor in tackles. Literally a committed pro and solid honest player who is not technically one of the best English footballers we have yet gets a squad place.
I think it's in part hat he's 28 and a older more experinced  head and what he brings to the squad mentality of being a captain at his club because he wasn't used in the Euros and he's no way better than Konsa

Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Risso on October 01, 2021, 06:07:05 PM
John Stones hasn't played a single second yet for Man City this season.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Brazilian Villain on October 01, 2021, 08:51:12 PM
Heard Dean Smith saying he was surprised EK didn't get in the engaldn squad this time around

EK would have a better chance of making it if the World Cup was in Dubai rather than Qatar.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 01, 2021, 09:09:15 PM
Heard Dean Smith saying he was surprised EK didn't get in the engaldn squad this time around

EK would have a better chance of making it if the World Cup was in Dubai rather than Qatar.
I think he should declare for Portugal.
Would be well suited in a nice passing team
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 31, 2021, 08:59:07 PM
Unlucky to be sent off for Dean and I
https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/12456618/dean-smith-ezri-konsa-shouldnt-have-been-sent-off-against-west-ham
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 01, 2021, 07:23:00 AM
What would make it even more gauling is if we appeal and rescinded would make a mockery
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: OCD on November 01, 2021, 11:24:23 AM
VAR is a mockery. It's only supposed to get involved where there's been an obvious mistake. They saw how it was used in the Euro's and how popular that was, started the season in very much the same way but they're slowly going back to the shit that it's been the last couple of seasons.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 01, 2021, 11:49:36 AM
VAR is a mockery. It's only supposed to get involved where there's been an obvious mistake. They saw how it was used in the Euro's and how popular that was, started the season in very much the same way but they're slowly going back to the shit that it's been the last couple of seasons.

The trouble is the officials ad premier league want to have there own take on it.
They should toe the line like other countries and  implement the same.
Lagging behind it attitudes never helped anyone
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: dcdavecollett on November 02, 2021, 07:20:43 PM
What, be the same as everyone else?

What did we vote Brexshit for?!!
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 03, 2021, 01:49:24 PM
Are they going to appeal?
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Drummond on November 03, 2021, 02:52:57 PM
Are they going to appeal?

I very much doubt that we'd have any chance of winning an appeal on a decision that was already reviewed and overturned by VAR.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Hillbilly on November 04, 2021, 01:16:57 AM
Could be my imagination but he looked like he was wiping away tears as he walked off. Could have been sweat but he seemed quite cut up about it.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: ozzjim on November 04, 2021, 10:55:25 AM
They appealed and lost. I didn't even think it was a foul, Bowen clearly plants both feet to launch the dive. If it is a foul, yellow at worst for where it is. Upholding a red is just looking after their mates again.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 04, 2021, 11:09:36 AM
They appealed and lost. I didn't even think it was a foul, Bowen clearly plants both feet to launch the dive. If it is a foul, yellow at worst for where it is. Upholding a red is just looking after their mates again.
I am glad we appealed though.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 04, 2021, 11:24:59 AM
VAR is a mockery. It's only supposed to get involved where there's been an obvious mistake. They saw how it was used in the Euro's and how popular that was, started the season in very much the same way but they're slowly going back to the shit that it's been the last couple of seasons.

The trouble is the officials ad premier league want to have there own take on it.
They should toe the line like other countries and  implement the same.
Lagging behind it attitudes never helped anyone

The Euros in the summer only confirmed how poor the refereeing is in the PL. I thought the Championship was shocking but the PL isn't that much better.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Risso on November 04, 2021, 02:20:04 PM
So we did appeal, but it was rejected.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Richard on November 04, 2021, 07:32:41 PM
Konza was unlucky as on a second look I'm convinced Bowen dived to get a pen and him sent off.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: LukeJames on November 04, 2021, 07:35:46 PM
I thought if you appealed and it got rejected that an extra game got added to the ban, or is that bollocks?
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 04, 2021, 08:15:19 PM
Only if the appeal is deemed to be particularly frivolous. If they can at least see what you're getting at, you won't get an extra game ban. If they think you're taking the piss, you will.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: LukeJames on November 04, 2021, 08:19:47 PM
Aaaaaagh got ya, sound 👍👍
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Dave on December 05, 2021, 08:46:58 PM
Scorer of more Premier League goals between 5pm and 7pm today than Harry Kane has scored since May.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Bobby Boy on December 05, 2021, 08:50:18 PM
Scorer of more Premier League goals between 5pm and 7pm today than Harry Kane has scored since May.

Ha, ha, a good stat. Like it.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Demitri_C on December 05, 2021, 09:29:43 PM
We paid what 12m for konsa. Id say the biggest bargain since mellberg. Absolutely class
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: LukeJames on December 05, 2021, 09:33:20 PM
We paid what 12m for konsa. Id say the biggest bargain since mellberg. Absolutely class

I take your point and love Ezri but its McGinn for me, wasnt it £3m?
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 05, 2021, 09:38:25 PM
I take your point and love Ezri but its McGinn for me, wasnt it £3m?

Think it was £2.75m as Celtic would only pay £2.25m as they thought they had him and were lowballing Hibs.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Villafirst on January 16, 2022, 06:29:00 AM
Hopefully his injury isn't too serious? Seemed to hurt his lower back in a tackle. We need cover quickly in this transfer window with Tuanzebe now on loan at Napoli...
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Ad@m on January 16, 2022, 08:06:25 AM
It was a dirty, late challenge that did him. Hause is a decent replacement but having two lefties at centre half makes us very narrow.

Hopefully it's nothing serious.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: tomd2103 on January 16, 2022, 10:00:48 AM
It was a dirty, late challenge that did him. Hause is a decent replacement but having two lefties at centre half makes us very narrow.

Hopefully it's nothing serious.

He came out before the rest of the team before the start of the 2nd half yesterday to try it out.  After one run across the 18 yard box in front of the North Stand, he signalled to the physio it was no good and went down the tunnel holding his hip / side.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Smithy on January 16, 2022, 10:07:26 AM
Hopefully the fact that he thought he could run it off means the physios were happy to let him try, which means it's likely it's only a soft tissue injury - dead-leg style - and only a short spell out.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Exeter 77 on January 16, 2022, 12:28:21 PM
I saw a Yanited fan on Twitter calling Konsa arrogant. There was no trace of irony.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: LeeB on January 16, 2022, 01:02:48 PM
He's had his nose busted and been put out of the game and neither resulted in a yellow card
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: OCD on January 16, 2022, 06:33:29 PM
Looked like a dead leg to me.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Drummond on January 17, 2022, 09:47:11 AM
My immediate concern was that it was similar to Ratboy getting one in the kidney.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 07, 2022, 06:44:29 PM
Any truth in the rumour Konsa might be out for Weds. or should I file it along with Emi B getting stretchered off against Molde?
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Astnor on February 07, 2022, 06:53:19 PM
He wasnt in the squad against Molde.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Villafirst on February 08, 2022, 06:41:07 AM
Apparently he faces a late fitness check before the Leeds game. Steven Gerrard should shed more light on this today at the pre-match press conference....
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: sid1964 on February 08, 2022, 06:49:03 AM
If Konsa is out, maybe Chambers will start the game?
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: darren woolley on February 08, 2022, 10:01:44 AM
I hope He's not out.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 09, 2022, 10:06:46 PM
I like Ezri, but he was absolutely fucking dreadful tonight. Terrible performance.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: manic-road on February 09, 2022, 10:10:45 PM
That is the worst I have seen Ezri play tonight, not like him at all.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: OzVilla on February 09, 2022, 10:45:46 PM
He's been underwhelming this season.  Thought we had an absolute gem last year, not so sure now.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 09, 2022, 10:59:17 PM
Is he out for one or two games?

Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: achilles on February 09, 2022, 11:01:23 PM
I like Ezri, but he was absolutely fucking dreadful tonight. Terrible performance.

Totally agree!
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Villa Lew on February 09, 2022, 11:02:22 PM
Is he out for one or two games?



Said on the radio 2 games, as this was his 2nd red.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 09, 2022, 11:13:39 PM
Callum Chambers step forward.
Konsa shouldn't automatically come back in now after that nonsense.
He's always had shades of attitude with things and if that was an opposing player doing an elbow to Emi we would be crying straight red.
If people choosing to give TM the boot I think they need to have a look at this Konsa poor show tonight
Second red card of the season he has a discipline issue
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Nelly on February 09, 2022, 11:18:37 PM
Konza has been a bit under par for a few games, was very under par tonight but Mings has had multiple, repeated game-changing clangers throughout his time at Villa. Defends with his heart on his sleeve yes, but there's no comparison between them for me. None of our players kept their heads tonight. Maybe there was something in the air. Bizarre game.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 09, 2022, 11:21:20 PM
16 days since playing a competitive 90 minutes for me was the reason.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Nelly on February 10, 2022, 05:18:21 AM
Thing is, we were a bit chaotic against Everton in the previous game too. Let's see what happens I guess!
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Vegas on February 10, 2022, 06:18:00 AM
I also really like Ezri but where he was very good last season, he’s been more like solid this season, and dire last night.

I wouldn’t over react to one really bad game, but I think his level all season has been down a notch or two on last.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: LeeB on February 10, 2022, 08:05:28 AM
Konsa was poor, the sending off was stupid, but the big yawning hole in front off them was the reason they struggled, Luiz and McGinn were like the invisible man last night.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Brend'Watkins on February 10, 2022, 09:12:13 AM
He looked like he was carrying a knock to me. His positional play was good but he looked unusually slow at times.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: supertom on February 10, 2022, 04:12:55 PM
A bit of reflection time will do him good. That sending off effectively killed our attacking intent off in a game that was still winnable. Mings is getting all the pelters but Ezri was worse, because of that moment.
Hause also deserves a start. He's rarely let us down when he comes on. Mings and Konza aren't in great form.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on February 10, 2022, 05:13:40 PM
Konsa's a fucking great player and as fans we would do well to remember that.

Even Martinez has made a few errors this season, it happens.  Not many centre backs I'd swap Ezri for.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 10, 2022, 05:44:39 PM
Konsa's a fucking great player and as fans we would do well to remember that.

Even Martinez has made a few errors this season, it happens.  Not many centre backs I'd swap Ezri for.

I’m not sure anyone is saying get rid of him. It was a comment on last night, where he was really poor.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Nunkin1965 on February 10, 2022, 05:48:47 PM
I'm a massive fan but he was anonymous last night.
And his 2 yellows were pathetic.
He tends to come up with the histrionics when he's gets his cautions  but he can't have any complaints about either yellow card.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on February 10, 2022, 05:51:28 PM
Konsa's a fucking great player and as fans we would do well to remember that.

Even Martinez has made a few errors this season, it happens.  Not many centre backs I'd swap Ezri for.

I’m not sure anyone is saying get rid of him. It was a comment on last night, where he was really poor.
I'm just saying lets not blow it our of proportion.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: brontebilly on February 10, 2022, 08:17:29 PM
I'm still a big fan but last night was a horror show. He was very fortunate his second yellow wasn't a straight red seeing the replay post game. Obviously his head was gone at that stage, ridiculous yellow to start with aswell.

I'm fairly sure Konsa/Mings was our partnership v Leeds last season at home when Bamford had a field day. But from the first minute last night it looked as if they were completely unprepared for the challenge. Couple of games out might do Konsa no harm at all.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: LeeB on February 10, 2022, 08:51:43 PM
Konsa's a fucking great player and as fans we would do well to remember that.

Even Martinez has made a few errors this season, it happens.  Not many centre backs I'd swap Ezri for.

I’m not sure anyone is saying get rid of him. It was a comment on last night, where he was really poor.
I'm just saying lets not blow it our of proportion.

The same can be said for Watkins, you'd do well to remember that
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: fredm on February 10, 2022, 09:04:02 PM
Was Konsa still carrying the injury he went off with in the last match? He took no part in the match against Molde so perhaps he wasn’t fully fit? If so, maybe he shouldn’t have been playing.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Risso on February 10, 2022, 09:30:17 PM
Was Konsa still carrying the injury he went off with in the last match? He took no part in the match against Molde so perhaps he wasn’t fully fit? If so, maybe he shouldn’t have been playing.

He did just seem to be jogging around and not really busting a gut.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 09, 2022, 09:25:04 PM
Awful tonight
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: manic-road on April 09, 2022, 09:27:17 PM
Ezri was poor again today and not great last week, lucky to be picked at the moment especially as Chambers hadn't done anything wrong to be dropped.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: LukeJames on April 09, 2022, 09:28:39 PM
Shite today but he's the least of our worries.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Three Spires Villa on April 09, 2022, 09:32:02 PM
Chambers is better
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: OzVilla on April 09, 2022, 09:37:32 PM
Which would be worrying. Thought we had a gem last season. Another that’s regressed considerably this year.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: colin69 on April 09, 2022, 09:51:10 PM
He’s not at his best recently but it wasn’t long ago we were slating Southgate for not naming him in the England squad.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 09, 2022, 09:57:41 PM
Which goal was he at fault for?
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 09, 2022, 09:58:43 PM
Shite today but he's the least of our worries.
The game changes after 3 minutes and that was down to him.
I think his performance is indicative so a significant worry.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Steve67 on April 09, 2022, 10:00:04 PM
Which goal was he at fault for?

You could probably name any of them SHQ but generally for me, it was the lack of engagement, the poor header, not being tough enough with Kane etc.  If you watch all four goals back, you will see several errors from several players but Konsa was also in the thick of it.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 09, 2022, 10:03:28 PM
Which goal was he at fault for?

You could probably name any of them SHQ but generally for me, it was the lack of engagement, the poor header, not being tough enough with Kane etc.  If you watch all four goals back, you will see several errors from several players but Konsa was also in the thick of it.

Well first to me was just hitting Cash in the balls and ball rebounding to Son who finished it well, second was a very well placed shot from Kuluveski, third was Son moving early and getting away from Cash and fourth was a cutback with our heads dropped.

Chambers was unlucky to lose his place though, that's a fair point considering we were keeping clean sheets with him in there.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 09, 2022, 10:07:02 PM
He headed the ball to Kane for the first.
He put in a useless challenge for the second and took himself out of the game  and was caught in no mans land for the 3rd.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Steve67 on April 09, 2022, 10:10:09 PM
Which goal was he at fault for?

You could probably name any of them SHQ but generally for me, it was the lack of engagement, the poor header, not being tough enough with Kane etc.  If you watch all four goals back, you will see several errors from several players but Konsa was also in the thick of it.

Well first to me was just hitting Cash in the balls and ball rebounding to Son who finished it well, second was a very well placed shot from Kuluveski, third was Son moving early and getting away from Cash and fourth was a cutback with our heads dropped.

Chambers was unlucky to lose his place though, that's a fair point considering we were keeping clean sheets with him in there.

I respect your views but there are elements in all four goals where many of the players, including Konsa could have done so much better.  Perform better with the first header, send the ball wide for example, and Kane doesn't get the shot off.  Bad day at the office as he is usually much more reliable.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Risso on April 09, 2022, 10:20:06 PM
Just got in and watched the goals again. Konsa has had a nightmare to be honest, majorly at fault for three of the goals. Time for a spell on the bench.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 09, 2022, 10:26:39 PM
Which goal was he at fault for?

You could probably name any of them SHQ but generally for me, it was the lack of engagement, the poor header, not being tough enough with Kane etc.  If you watch all four goals back, you will see several errors from several players but Konsa was also in the thick of it.

Well first to me was just hitting Cash in the balls and ball rebounding to Son who finished it well, second was a very well placed shot from Kuluveski, third was Son moving early and getting away from Cash and fourth was a cutback with our heads dropped.

Chambers was unlucky to lose his place though, that's a fair point considering we were keeping clean sheets with him in there.

I respect your views but there are elements in all four goals where many of the players, including Konsa could have done so much better.  Perform better with the first header, send the ball wide for example, and Kane doesn't get the shot off.  Bad day at the office as he is usually much more reliable.

Yeah my point was more these weren't tap ins for Son, he still had to finish the chances from edge of the box. It's not like Konsa just underhit backpasses like Mings does a couple of times a season.

For example Ollie had that free header from six yards he should've buried so could say one of Romero/Dier were at fault for that and a few of the other chances we created but both had solid games.

It's interesting what we do at CB. Let's say the average Joe Gomez is a target, that would be three RCBs into the mix so would feel lopsided. Surely we need some competition for Mings more with Hause not even making the bench these days.

Konsa hasn't been as good as last season but feels to me kneejerk to sell him unless he really wants to go as I think with patience he'll come good again consistently.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 09, 2022, 10:27:53 PM
Just got in and watched the goals again. Konsa has had a nightmare to be honest, majorly at fault for three of the goals. Time for a spell on the bench.

I think that’s it. It doesn’t mean he’s a bad player or he needs to be sold - but it’s players need to be benched sometimes. Both for their own good, but also to refocus them.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Risso on April 09, 2022, 10:31:13 PM
Just got in and watched the goals again. Konsa has had a nightmare to be honest, majorly at fault for three of the goals. Time for a spell on the bench.

I think that’s it. It doesn’t mean he’s a bad player or he needs to be sold - but it’s players need to be benched sometimes. Both for their own good, but also to refocus them.

Yep. This is his first major dip in form, but he needs a spell on the bench.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 09, 2022, 11:00:46 PM
Second goal he dosen't get off the ground at all, he's never been great at winning headers tbh which is why we regularly struggled first season back whenever Mings wasn't around.

That said Cash could've still toed it away and then shot just goes through Mings.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: paul_e on April 10, 2022, 12:12:36 AM
Just got in and watched the goals again. Konsa has had a nightmare to be honest, majorly at fault for three of the goals. Time for a spell on the bench.

Yep, if Mings had a game like that we'd have 4-5 pages demanding he gets sold, oonsa was terrible today and deserves to be dropped for it, right now Chambers is a far better option.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: brontebilly on April 10, 2022, 01:23:04 AM
Terrible today but Chambers is not the solution.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Drummond on April 10, 2022, 10:00:27 AM
I think he's another who is suffering with the new system.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Clampy on April 10, 2022, 10:05:46 AM
Terrible today but Chambers is not the solution.

I don't know. He came in for those few games and didn't do too much wrong. He was unlucky to be dropped.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Scott Nielsen on April 10, 2022, 11:58:00 AM
I think he's another who is suffering with the new system.

I have no idea what has happened to him but it seems a stretch to blame a new system for him making elementary mistakes in match after match. I like to think of it as a temporary loss of form which can happen to anyone but he, judged by his own previous high standards, has been poor all season
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Ads on April 10, 2022, 12:01:33 PM
Terrible today but Chambers is not the solution.

Played 4 games and conceded 2...Konsa has been woeful 2 in a row now. Very unlike him. Mings does Mings things and I've given up hoping for consistency from him.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Tayls_7 on April 10, 2022, 12:43:39 PM
 You absolutely have to drop Konsa after that abject performance.  I don't care what the options are. Anything else sends entirely the wrong message.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: OCD on April 10, 2022, 02:26:38 PM
Seems to be suffering from not having JT working with the defence this season.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 10, 2022, 03:52:12 PM
Seems to be suffering from not having JT working with the defence this season.

That's a reach!
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: achilles on April 10, 2022, 04:04:59 PM
Seems to be suffering from not having JT working with the defence this season.

I think that if anything we have far too many 'football' coaches at the moment, which might be confusing things at the training ground!
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: wittonwarrior on April 10, 2022, 05:47:59 PM
Seems to be suffering from not having JT working with the defence this season.

I think that if anything we have far too many 'football' coaches at the moment, which might be confusing things at the training ground!
think you have a point  there.   
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: frank black on April 11, 2022, 08:14:28 AM
Seems to be suffering from not having JT working with the defence this season.

I think that if anything we have far too many 'football' coaches at the moment, which might be confusing things at the training ground!
think you have a point  there.   

Did you see Tottenham entourage on Saturday?. They took up half the lower trinity. Seems you can’t have too many staff.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Drummond on April 11, 2022, 10:44:39 AM
I think he's another who is suffering with the new system.

I have no idea what has happened to him but it seems a stretch to blame a new system for him making elementary mistakes in match after match. I like to think of it as a temporary loss of form which can happen to anyone but he, judged by his own previous high standards, has been poor all season

I think Mings and Konsa are both having to worry about the flanks more and getting pulled (or worry about getting pulled) out of position because the midfielders aren't good at it. They are just too exposed. That header yesterday, however, was just weak, his slip last week was crap and he didn't react quickly enough to another effort.

But we're all over the shop.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: paul_e on April 11, 2022, 11:06:22 AM
I think he's another who is suffering with the new system.

I have no idea what has happened to him but it seems a stretch to blame a new system for him making elementary mistakes in match after match. I like to think of it as a temporary loss of form which can happen to anyone but he, judged by his own previous high standards, has been poor all season

I think Mings and Konsa are both having to worry about the flanks more and getting pulled (or worry about getting pulled) out of position because the midfielders aren't good at it. They are just too exposed. That header yesterday, however, was just weak, his slip last week was crap and he didn't react quickly enough to another effort.

But we're all over the shop.

I don't think it's right to blame the system, Konsa was really poor at the start of the season as well (under Smith) and his loss of form was a big part of why we couldn't buy a clean sheet. He did play a bit better for a while after Gerrard arrived but he's dropped off again and, for me, shouldn't be in the team right now, I honestly think you could fault him for 4 of the last 6 goals we've conceded, which just isn't good enough. What I can't get my head around is what has caused it, because at the end of last season he looked for all the world like he was a top 6 defender who'd be walking into the england squad for the world cup.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Risso on April 11, 2022, 01:51:13 PM
The early mistakes by Konsa in both halves were too soon to be as a result of any systemic failure, and were purely down to him making mistakes and not doing his job properly. I think he's a good player, but he's in woeful form and should be dropped. Chambers did well when he came in before, so let's give him a chance.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 11, 2022, 03:09:49 PM
The early mistakes by Konsa in both halves were too soon to be as a result of any systemic failure, and were purely down to him making mistakes and not doing his job properly. I think he's a good player, but he's in woeful form and should be dropped. Chambers did well when he came in before, so let's give him a chance.
And you could tell Chambers was relishing playing for us.
It must be gutting to get dropped and see Konsa half arsed attempts at defending.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: eamonn on April 11, 2022, 10:53:49 PM
Feel bad for Hause. Signs a new deal in Jan, Gerrard bigging him up about being an important player. Yes, he's got an extra 10k a week in the bank, but the guy wants to play. Didn't he post something on the 'gram about it all being part of God's plan? Wish God was as generous to me...but yeah, in Digne's absence, I'd give Kourt the left back berth over Ashley "angry child" Young.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Villafirst on April 12, 2022, 06:20:17 AM
Clearly Konsa's confidence is shot. Why isn't Chambers playing instead? Gerrard does seem to keep picking out-of-form players in when they need to be dropped. Hause is another example who should be given a chance. I've generally supported SG since he came in, but I'm beginning to have my doubts....
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Villafirst on May 18, 2022, 04:00:59 AM
It looked a bad tackle on Ezri by Mateta. His knee was twisted to an abnormal angle. I expect SG will tell us the extent of the problem in the presser this afternoon. If it's a longterm absence, Villa will definitely have to recruit a top class defender in the summer transfer window.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: paul_e on May 18, 2022, 01:59:11 PM
It looked a bad tackle on Ezri by Mateta. His knee was twisted to an abnormal angle. I expect SG will tell us the extent of the problem in the presser this afternoon. If it's a longterm absence, Villa will definitely have to recruit a top class defender in the summer transfer window.

It was one of a number of clumsy challenges by Palace that the ref waved away.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 18, 2022, 02:11:52 PM
Bad news, out for 16 weeks apparently. https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2022/may/18/konsa-ruled-out-for-up-to-16-weeks/
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Villafirst on May 18, 2022, 02:13:10 PM
SG has confirmed the knee injury, thankfully it's not an ACL. But, he will be missing for up to 16 weeks, which means the end of August into September. So a new signing will be incoming....
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Drummond on May 18, 2022, 02:16:49 PM
Well he won't be leaving in the summer then.

Chambers will get the opportunity to make the shirt his own I guess.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on May 18, 2022, 02:20:01 PM
Bad news, out for 16 weeks apparently. https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2022/may/18/konsa-ruled-out-for-up-to-16-weeks/
FFS.  Thats probably £25-£30m of our transfer budget up in smoke.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 18, 2022, 02:25:09 PM
Bad news, out for 16 weeks apparently. https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2022/may/18/konsa-ruled-out-for-up-to-16-weeks/
FFS.  Thats probably £25-£30m of our transfer budget up in smoke.

I don’t see why it’s up in smoke. I imagine given the mistakes we’ve made in that position we’d have bought another CB anyway. Konsa/Mings/Chambers/Hause is mid table at best. We need to upgrade one or two of those players to compete for a top 8 spot let alone anything higher.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on May 18, 2022, 02:35:35 PM
Bad news, out for 16 weeks apparently. https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2022/may/18/konsa-ruled-out-for-up-to-16-weeks/
FFS.  Thats probably £25-£30m of our transfer budget up in smoke.

I don’t see why it’s up in smoke. I imagine given the mistakes we’ve made in that position we’d have bought another CB anyway. Konsa/Mings/Chambers/Hause is mid table at best. We need to upgrade one or two of those players to compete for a top 8 spot let alone anything higher.
I mean we won't be able to sell him, if indeed that was the plan.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Risso on May 18, 2022, 02:39:21 PM
I mean we won't be able to sell him, if indeed that was the plan.

If we did want to sell him, he'll be getting back to fitness hopefully in the August transfer window.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Gerrin on May 18, 2022, 02:45:58 PM
Bad news, out for 16 weeks apparently. https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2022/may/18/konsa-ruled-out-for-up-to-16-weeks/
FFS.  Thats probably £25-£30m of our transfer budget up in smoke.

I don’t see why it’s up in smoke. I imagine given the mistakes we’ve made in that position we’d have bought another CB anyway. Konsa/Mings/Chambers/Hause is mid table at best. We need to upgrade one or two of those players to compete for a top 8 spot let alone anything higher.

Nailed on we'll get a top new CB in the summer, I think Mings will probably lose the captaincy too.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: OzVilla on July 17, 2022, 12:16:08 PM
Surprisingly he was out there in the warm ups today and will potentially feature against Brisbane Roar on Wednesday.

Must be the first time in recorded history a Villa player has come back 2 months AHEAD of schedule from an injury.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: kipeye on July 17, 2022, 12:19:24 PM
Surprisingly he was out there in the warm ups today and will potentially feature against Brisbane Roar on Wednesday.

Must be the first time in recorded history a Villa player has come back 2 months AHEAD of schedule from an injury.
Great news. Although he had a drop in form, will continue to improve and hopefully play for us for a long time.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Mellin on July 17, 2022, 11:16:34 PM
Konsa has gone down in my estimations a little. I know that sounds bad, but the bar was very, very high. Thought he should be starting for England, but not so much at the moment. Hope he can recover his form.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 17, 2022, 11:19:18 PM
Both our CB’s were exposed by have a non existent midfield being overrun and none of them being a true DM. It wasn’t a surprise we looked immediately better when Marv was playing (pre injury). Konsa took a step back but he’s a young player that we’ve seen play to a very high level. I think all our defenders will look better if our defending started higher up the pitch and it is a more cohesive unit with and without the ball.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: ROBBO on July 18, 2022, 04:26:00 AM
Agree with this, the amount of pressure the backline came under by not having a decent defensive midfielder it's no wonder the backline struggled.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Chris Smith on July 18, 2022, 07:06:04 AM
Agree with this, the amount of pressure the backline came under by not having a decent defensive midfielder it's no wonder the backline struggled.

Agreed but it’s also that Gerrard’s style requires the fullbacks to constantly get forward meaning the centre backs can get pulled out of position by quick counter attacks. So for me it’s partly down to personnel in midfield but also being a bit smarter about when to commit going forward. Both of these things can be improved by not giving away possession easily.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on July 18, 2022, 12:21:27 PM
Incredible recovery time, available for selection against Brisbane Roar.

It's easy to forget just how accomplished Konsa looked in 20/21 season and I think most of us thought he should be pushing an England place.  I agree with the comments above that he'll be helped by having a decent DM in front of him.

We've now got fantastic competition at centre back, I rate all four of them.  Not sure how we'll keep them all happy, but that's for Gerrard to deal with.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 18, 2022, 01:36:25 PM
Incredible recovery time, available for selection against Brisbane Roar.

It's easy to forget just how accomplished Konsa looked in 20/21 season and I think most of us thought he should be pushing an England place.  I agree with the comments above that he'll be helped by having a decent DM in front of him.

We've now got fantastic competition at centre back, I rate all four of them.  Not sure how we'll keep them all happy, but that's for Gerrard to deal with.

100 % agree
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: darren woolley on July 18, 2022, 04:31:29 PM
I'm so pleased he's back.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: LeeB on July 18, 2022, 11:08:10 PM
Incredible recovery time, available for selection against Brisbane Roar.

It's easy to forget just how accomplished Konsa looked in 20/21 season and I think most of us thought he should be pushing an England place.  I agree with the comments above that he'll be helped by having a decent DM in front of him.

We've now got fantastic competition at centre back, I rate all four of them.  Not sure how we'll keep them all happy, but that's for Gerrard to deal with.

Yes, it's a tidy set. Hause is pretty handy for a 5th choice too.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 21, 2022, 09:27:47 PM
Was my favourite Defender, but seemed to take a step backwards last year.

Hopefully can find his form again. I love his attitude too, he's ultra competitive.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: nigel on July 21, 2022, 10:27:31 PM
Was my favourite Defender, but seemed to take a step backwards last year.

Hopefully can find his form again. I love his attitude too, he's ultra competitive.

Apparently, worked non stop during the close season to get fit ahead of schedule
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 21, 2022, 10:39:20 PM
Agree with this, the amount of pressure the backline came under by not having a decent defensive midfielder it's no wonder the backline struggled.

Agreed but it’s also that Gerrard’s style requires the fullbacks to constantly get forward meaning the centre backs can get pulled out of position by quick counter attacks. So for me it’s partly down to personnel in midfield but also being a bit smarter about when to commit going forward. Both of these things can be improved by not giving away possession easily.

This is why Watkins is a problem.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: paul_e on July 21, 2022, 11:54:51 PM
Agree with this, the amount of pressure the backline came under by not having a decent defensive midfielder it's no wonder the backline struggled.

Agreed but it’s also that Gerrard’s style requires the fullbacks to constantly get forward meaning the centre backs can get pulled out of position by quick counter attacks. So for me it’s partly down to personnel in midfield but also being a bit smarter about when to commit going forward. Both of these things can be improved by not giving away possession easily.

This is why Watkins is a problem.

I see the point but I disagree, Watkins does have some ropey touches (but nothing like as many as people claim, it was about 2.5 per game last season which is similar to players like Kane, Salah and Mane) but he also runs into the channels and presses defenders as well anyone in the league which often slows the ball down. Our problem was that if you beat his high press it was very easy to move through our midfield in 1-2 passes and expose our central defenders pretty high up the pitch.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 22, 2022, 12:00:10 AM
Agree with this, the amount of pressure the backline came under by not having a decent defensive midfielder it's no wonder the backline struggled.

Agreed but it’s also that Gerrard’s style requires the fullbacks to constantly get forward meaning the centre backs can get pulled out of position by quick counter attacks. So for me it’s partly down to personnel in midfield but also being a bit smarter about when to commit going forward. Both of these things can be improved by not giving away possession easily.

This is why Watkins is a problem.

I see the point but I disagree, Watkins does have some ropey touches (but nothing like as many as people claim, it was about 2.5 per game last season which is similar to players like Kane, Salah and Mane) but he also runs into the channels and presses defenders as well anyone in the league which often slows the ball down. Our problem was that if you beat his high press it was very easy to move through our midfield in 1-2 passes and expose our central defenders pretty high up the pitch.

I'll take your word for it as regard the stats, but I don't remember seeing Kane, Salah or Mane trapping the ball with their shin and sending it right back into the opposition's midfield quite as regularly as Watkins did.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: paul_e on July 22, 2022, 12:15:06 AM
Agree with this, the amount of pressure the backline came under by not having a decent defensive midfielder it's no wonder the backline struggled.

Agreed but it’s also that Gerrard’s style requires the fullbacks to constantly get forward meaning the centre backs can get pulled out of position by quick counter attacks. So for me it’s partly down to personnel in midfield but also being a bit smarter about when to commit going forward. Both of these things can be improved by not giving away possession easily.

This is why Watkins is a problem.

I see the point but I disagree, Watkins does have some ropey touches (but nothing like as many as people claim, it was about 2.5 per game last season which is similar to players like Kane, Salah and Mane) but he also runs into the channels and presses defenders as well anyone in the league which often slows the ball down. Our problem was that if you beat his high press it was very easy to move through our midfield in 1-2 passes and expose our central defenders pretty high up the pitch.

I'll take your word for it as regard the stats, but I don't remember seeing Kane, Salah or Mane trapping the ball with their shin and sending it right back into the opposition's midfield quite as regularly as Watkins did.

https://www.whoscored.com/Regions/252/Tournaments/2/Seasons/8618/Stages/19793/PlayerStatistics/England-Premier-League-2021-2022 (https://www.whoscored.com/Regions/252/Tournaments/2/Seasons/8618/Stages/19793/PlayerStatistics/England-Premier-League-2021-2022) - offensive tab and then sort by UnsTch.

Just to clarify as well, I'm not comparing him to those 3, I'm saying that some dodgy first touches don't make you a bad striker/attacking player, some of the best player in the country do the same thing.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Risso on July 22, 2022, 11:49:06 AM
It's a very, very noticeable weakness in his play though. As SE says, you just don't see the players you mention shonking it 10 yards off their shin like Watkins does.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: paul_e on July 22, 2022, 12:18:07 PM
It's a very, very noticeable weakness in his play though. As SE says, you just don't see the players you mention shonking it 10 yards off their shin like Watkins does.

No, but they lose the ball as many times in a game as he does through poor control, usually under pressure from a defender. All i'm saying is that this particular criticism of Watkins is more common this season after a below expected goal return than it was last season after a better than expected goal return in his first season. I just think we're got to a point where every time his touch lets him down it takes over as the only thing to talk about with him and it gives people an unfairly negative perception of his performances, going as far as blaming him for our poor defence last season.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 20, 2022, 02:45:18 PM
Gets the start ahead of Chambers to partner Mings today
Go on Ezri get on the end of a set piece . Hoping he will silence the palace attack and Zaha.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Three Spires Villa on August 20, 2022, 03:25:07 PM
Gets the start ahead of Chambers to partner Mings today
Go on Ezri get on the end of a set piece . Hoping he will silence the palace attack and Zaha.

Still early in the game, but it hasn’t worked so far. Chambers should be ahead of him
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: eamonn on August 20, 2022, 03:39:25 PM
Sounds like he's been given twisted bloody by the Palace attack in the first half.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Risso on August 20, 2022, 03:52:51 PM
If you're not watching it's difficult to convey in mere words how bad he's been.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 20, 2022, 03:53:53 PM
Done as a PL footballer. Whatever he had, and it was lovely to watch at his best he has completely lost.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 20, 2022, 03:55:56 PM
He looks a nervous wreck.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Olof's Beard on August 20, 2022, 03:56:07 PM
It is baffling, he looked like he was on the way to international recognition two seasons ago. A great defender in every sense. He looks so shaky now. He is coming back from injury but the dip in form goes back further than that. Surprised Gerrard didn't play Chambers today, wouldn't be surprised if he made the change at half time.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 20, 2022, 03:58:08 PM
Maybe he started to believe his own hype and never worked hard enough at improving his game. And as made mistakes and opposing teams exposed his flaws his confidence has been destroyed.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Three Spires Villa on August 20, 2022, 04:14:38 PM
Maybe he started to believe his own hype and never worked hard enough at improving his game. And as made mistakes and opposing teams exposed his flaws his confidence has been destroyed.

Maybe he over achieved and is now at his level
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Goldie.7 on August 20, 2022, 05:39:14 PM
Had that injury and now resembles a Sunday league player. No disrespect to the Sunday league boys.

Everyone would be starting Chambers over Konsa except stubborn Stevié.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 20, 2022, 05:39:39 PM
I'd give him at most 2/10 for that performance today.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Villan82 on August 20, 2022, 05:43:47 PM
The collapse in his form has been alarming. I can't understand it
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 20, 2022, 06:10:07 PM
Don’t know what’s happened to him but he was poor last year and today was just horrendous.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: OCD on August 20, 2022, 06:14:14 PM
Our defence in general has fallen apart since Terry left. He wasn't the most popular person we've ever had at the club but he knew how to organise the defence.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Aldridge Villa on August 20, 2022, 08:18:35 PM
Agree all day long OCD
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: brontebilly on August 20, 2022, 08:39:07 PM
Our first season back JT used get pelters on here for all the goals we were conceding.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 21, 2022, 12:03:11 PM
Konsa was very much a Dean Smith man.
His performances under Gerrard haven't been the same.

Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: manic-road on August 21, 2022, 12:06:03 PM
Awful for the first goal yesterday, he caught up with Zaha and then failed to get any meaningful challenge or block in.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: OCD on August 21, 2022, 12:23:26 PM
Our first season back JT used get pelters on here for all the goals we were conceding.

The next season we had the most clean sheets for over 10 years.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: brontebilly on August 21, 2022, 01:04:54 PM
Awful for the first goal yesterday, he caught up with Zaha and then failed to get any meaningful challenge or block in.

Seemed content for Zaha to have a shot with his left. Maybe Martinez positioning was a bit suspect too. I thought Konsa had a much better second half.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: john e on August 21, 2022, 01:14:26 PM
Konsa Has never been a Rolls-Royce of a footballer
He has never been comfortable with the ball even when everyone thought he was the new Bobby Moore he really had big limitations
Asking him to play out from the back is like watching a cat playing with a balloon

I’ve never thought he was good enough even when his stock was riding high and said so on a few occasions
I’m not trying to make out that I’m a super scout as I still believe McGinn Luiz Ramsey are top 6/8 players which also goes against the grain and at the moment is looking to be a foolish view



Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Delboy Villan on August 21, 2022, 01:18:37 PM
Awful for the first goal yesterday, he caught up with Zaha and then failed to get any meaningful challenge or block in.

Sure was better second half but he couldn't have been much worse?

The defense is not having a good day when Will Hughes breaks into the box totally unmarked. If CP had a finisher then they would score a bag full!

Seemed content for Zaha to have a shot with his left. Maybe Martinez positioning was a bit suspect too. I thought Konsa had a much better second half.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: brontebilly on August 21, 2022, 03:03:44 PM
Awful for the first goal yesterday, he caught up with Zaha and then failed to get any meaningful challenge or block in.

Sure was better second half but he couldn't have been much worse?

The defense is not having a good day when Will Hughes breaks into the box totally unmarked. If CP had a finisher then they would score a bag full!

Seemed content for Zaha to have a shot with his left. Maybe Martinez positioning was a bit suspect too. I thought Konsa had a much better second half.

Hughes chance was more on Ramsey who wasn't arsed chasing him. Something rotten in our team when even likes of Ramsey aren't bothered tracking runners.

Konsa's first half was a horror show, starting with that pass.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Ian. on August 21, 2022, 07:03:27 PM
Chambers should be ahead of Konsa at the moment.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 21, 2022, 07:06:20 PM
Chambers should be ahead of Konsa at the moment.
Roy Cropper should be ahead of Konsa at the moment
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Risso on August 21, 2022, 07:07:13 PM
Chambers should be ahead of Konsa at the moment.

Zaha certainly was.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Astnor on August 21, 2022, 07:19:24 PM
I m ok with Konsa, Had that miserable pass yesterday but seems steady and dont often loose man to man, ok positonal sense and can hold the ball and make a (simple) :) pass. Can score a goal and are a fighter. Have belief and can control the ball about just enough. Their first goal yesterday cause Cash had lost his man before Konsas run and did catch up with Zaha (that is fast). Konsa brings just about enough confidence IMO, the one to the right of him not so much for me. He s better with the ball playing out from behind than Mings and probl just in front of Chambers overall.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: LeeB on August 22, 2022, 10:26:54 AM
I m ok with Konsa, Had that miserable pass yesterday but seems steady and dont often loose man to man, ok positonal sense and can hold the ball and make a (simple) :) pass. Can score a goal and are a fighter. Have belief and can control the ball about just enough. Their first goal yesterday cause Cash had lost his man before Konsas run and did catch up with Zaha (that is fast). Konsa brings just about enough confidence IMO, the one to the right of him not so much for me. He s better with the ball playing out from behind than Mings and probl just in front of Chambers overall.

He was that for a few months in empty stadiums. He's been a liability for a year now, he's like a shadow defender, you can see him but it has no effect on the opposition.

He's not, and has never been better with the ball at his feet, than either Mings or especially Chambers, who last season scored with a wonderful finish at Leeds and played probably the pass of the season with the outside of his right foot against Southampton.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Risso on August 22, 2022, 10:47:07 AM
I m ok with Konsa, Had that miserable pass yesterday but seems steady and dont often loose man to man, ok positonal sense and can hold the ball and make a (simple) :) pass. Can score a goal and are a fighter. Have belief and can control the ball about just enough. Their first goal yesterday cause Cash had lost his man before Konsas run and did catch up with Zaha (that is fast). Konsa brings just about enough confidence IMO, the one to the right of him not so much for me. He s better with the ball playing out from behind than Mings and probl just in front of Chambers overall.

He was that for a few months in empty stadiums. He's been a liability for a year now, he's like a shadow defender, you can see him but it has no effect on the opposition.

He's not, and has never been better with the ball at his feet, than either Mings or especially Chambers, who last season scored with a wonderful finish at Leeds and played probably the pass of the season with the outside of his right foot against Southampton.

When Grealish was at his best, he directly made the likes of Watkins look better, but also indirectly made it easier for the rest of the team as well. Teams were shit scared of him so they'd often double up on him, meaning we had more time and space on the ball. This helped people like McGinn and also the defence.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 22, 2022, 11:02:59 AM
I m ok with Konsa, Had that miserable pass yesterday but seems steady and dont often loose man to man, ok positonal sense and can hold the ball and make a (simple) :) pass. Can score a goal and are a fighter. Have belief and can control the ball about just enough. Their first goal yesterday cause Cash had lost his man before Konsas run and did catch up with Zaha (that is fast). Konsa brings just about enough confidence IMO, the one to the right of him not so much for me. He s better with the ball playing out from behind than Mings and probl just in front of Chambers overall.

He was that for a few months in empty stadiums. He's been a liability for a year now, he's like a shadow defender, you can see him but it has no effect on the opposition.

He's not, and has never been better with the ball at his feet, than either Mings or especially Chambers, who last season scored with a wonderful finish at Leeds and played probably the pass of the season with the outside of his right foot against Southampton.

When Grealish was at his best, he directly made the likes of Watkins look better, but also indirectly made it easier for the rest of the team as well. Teams were shit scared of him so they'd often double up on him, meaning we had more time and space on the ball. This helped people like McGinn and also the defence.
SaInt Maxim was having the same effect against Citeh, his running with the ball completely messed up their defensive lines.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Astnor on August 22, 2022, 04:38:44 PM
I m ok with Konsa, Had that miserable pass yesterday but seems steady and dont often loose man to man, ok positonal sense and can hold the ball and make a (simple) :) pass. Can score a goal and are a fighter. Have belief and can control the ball about just enough. Their first goal yesterday cause Cash had lost his man before Konsas run and did catch up with Zaha (that is fast). Konsa brings just about enough confidence IMO, the one to the right of him not so much for me. He s better with the ball playing out from behind than Mings and probl just in front of Chambers overall.

He was that for a few months in empty stadiums. He's been a liability for a year now, he's like a shadow defender, you can see him but it has no effect on the opposition.

He's not, and has never been better with the ball at his feet, than either Mings or especially Chambers, who last season scored with a wonderful finish at Leeds and played probably the pass of the season with the outside of his right foot against Southampton.
My point being that better he is than Mings in playing out from the back cause Mings - in contrast to Konsa, hoof the ball under pressure and our build up play break down more often than not as a consequense. Better than Chambers OVERALL - thats probl why he gets the nod ahead of him (though not much between the two IMO).
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: AGRIPPA on August 22, 2022, 04:41:20 PM
I m ok with Konsa, Had that miserable pass yesterday but seems steady and dont often loose man to man, ok positonal sense and can hold the ball and make a (simple) :) pass. Can score a goal and are a fighter. Have belief and can control the ball about just enough. Their first goal yesterday cause Cash had lost his man before Konsas run and did catch up with Zaha (that is fast). Konsa brings just about enough confidence IMO, the one to the right of him not so much for me. He s better with the ball playing out from behind than Mings and probl just in front of Chambers overall.

He was that for a few months in empty stadiums. He's been a liability for a year now, he's like a shadow defender, you can see him but it has no effect on the opposition.

He's not, and has never been better with the ball at his feet, than either Mings or especially Chambers, who last season scored with a wonderful finish at Leeds and played probably the pass of the season with the outside of his right foot against Southampton.
My point being that better he is than Mings in playing out from the back cause Mings - in contrast to Konsa, hoof the ball under pressure and our build up play break down more often than not as a consequense. Better than Chambers OVERALL - thats probl why he gets the nod ahead of him (though not much between the two IMO).

He hardly ever brings the ball out ...its always to Mings/Cash or Emi..???
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Astnor on August 22, 2022, 04:43:35 PM
I m ok with Konsa, Had that miserable pass yesterday but seems steady and dont often loose man to man, ok positonal sense and can hold the ball and make a (simple) :) pass. Can score a goal and are a fighter. Have belief and can control the ball about just enough. Their first goal yesterday cause Cash had lost his man before Konsas run and did catch up with Zaha (that is fast). Konsa brings just about enough confidence IMO, the one to the right of him not so much for me. He s better with the ball playing out from behind than Mings and probl just in front of Chambers overall.

He was that for a few months in empty stadiums. He's been a liability for a year now, he's like a shadow defender, you can see him but it has no effect on the opposition.

He's not, and has never been better with the ball at his feet, than either Mings or especially Chambers, who last season scored with a wonderful finish at Leeds and played probably the pass of the season with the outside of his right foot against Southampton.
My point being that better he is than Mings in playing out from the back cause Mings - in contrast to Konsa, hoof the ball under pressure and our build up play break down more often than not as a consequense. Better than Chambers OVERALL - thats probl why he gets the nod ahead of him (though not much between the two IMO).

He hardly ever brings the ball out ...its always to Mings/Cash or Emi..???
That is probl right, BUT we KEEP THE BALL :)
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: achilles on September 10, 2022, 12:43:29 AM
Surprised that nobody has mentioned how badly out of position Konsa was for Man City's goal, he had no idea where he was or more to the point where Haaland was and then to appeal for offside when Haaland scored just capped it off!
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: nigel on September 10, 2022, 08:31:03 PM
Surprised that nobody has mentioned how badly out of position Konsa was for Man City's goal, he had no idea where he was or more to the point where Haaland was and then to appeal for offside when Haaland scored just capped it off!

Haaland has a habit of losing top drawer international players, so I wouldn’t be too harsh on Ezri.

Let’s just accept we were undone by two world class players
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Ian. on September 10, 2022, 08:36:47 PM
Maybe even two of the best players in the world right now.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 10, 2022, 10:50:17 PM
Maybe even two of the best players in the world right now.

No “maybe” about that.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: CT Villan on September 11, 2022, 03:13:48 AM
I said as much in the post-match thread, Ezri could have done better, but equally so should have McGinn in tracking De Bruyne in the first place.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: RamboandBruno on September 11, 2022, 09:20:23 AM
I said as much in the post-match thread, Ezri could have done better, but equally so should have McGinn in tracking De Bruyne in the first place.

It was Silvas short pass to De Bruyne before his cross, McGinn literally wandered over to Silva, no sense of urgency or even the most basic closing down, i was moaning to my son about that in the few seconds before the cross and goal.
Like most i thought was a star 2 years ago and horribly off form for the second half of last season. I thought on the whole he was decent against West Ham and Man City.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: brontebilly on September 11, 2022, 08:19:31 PM
I said as much in the post-match thread, Ezri could have done better, but equally so should have McGinn in tracking De Bruyne in the first place.

Martinez was most to blame I thought. That cross was too close to the keeper/goalline but Martinez footwork was dreadful and couldn't deal with it.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 11, 2022, 09:14:20 PM
Konsa was most as fault - he was standing in space with absolutely no idea where Haaland was.

A common problem he has, far from the first time we’ve seen it.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on September 12, 2022, 09:54:35 AM
There are better defenders than Konsa who have been undone by a brilliant ball from DeBruyne.  Hindsight is always great, he could have done this or that - but then you can say that for most goals ever scored.  Sometimes you need to just take your hat off to a very well made goal. 
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: eamonn on September 12, 2022, 10:54:31 AM
It's not the cross from DeBruyne that's the issue, it was leaving the most dangerous striker in the world alone at the back post.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Chris Smith on September 12, 2022, 11:02:02 AM
It's not the cross from DeBruyne that's the issue, it was leaving the most dangerous striker in the world alone at the back post.

Rather than focus on that I take the view that the back 4 did well to limit his opportunities. One of the reasons that he’s the most dangerous striker in the world is that he is able to find that space against even the best defences.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Risso on September 12, 2022, 11:41:16 AM
It's not the cross from DeBruyne that's the issue, it was leaving the most dangerous striker in the world alone at the back post.

Rather than focus on that I take the view that the back 4 did well to limit his opportunities. One of the reasons that he’s the most dangerous striker in the world is that he is able to find that space against even the best defences.

Agree Chris, I think it was one of those goals that was more down to how good the opposition are than any particular big mistake by our players. Which is rarity these days.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: LeeB on September 12, 2022, 12:01:10 PM
It was a humdinger of a cross. There aren't many players these days that are geat crossers of the ball, it's a dying art with all the tip-tappery, but he's nearly as good at it as Elmo.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: nigel on September 12, 2022, 04:23:53 PM
It's not the cross from DeBruyne that's the issue, it was leaving the most dangerous striker in the world alone at the back post.

Rather than focus on that I take the view that the back 4 did well to limit his opportunities. One of the reasons that he’s the most dangerous striker in the world is that he is able to find that space against even the best defences.

Agree Chris, I think it was one of those goals that was more down to how good the opposition are than any particular big mistake by our players. Which is rarity these days.

I think sometimes people are too quick to find fault with our own, rather than, as in this case, credit the opposition.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Mister E on September 12, 2022, 06:45:51 PM
It's not the cross from DeBruyne that's the issue, it was leaving the most dangerous striker in the world alone at the back post.
Rather than focus on that I take the view that the back 4 did well to limit his opportunities. One of the reasons that he’s the most dangerous striker in the world is that he is able to find that space against even the best defences.
In which situation, Mings did really well to impose him on Haaland, in the main.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Ian. on September 12, 2022, 08:39:24 PM
It's not the cross from DeBruyne that's the issue, it was leaving the most dangerous striker in the world alone at the back post.

Rather than focus on that I take the view that the back 4 did well to limit his opportunities. One of the reasons that he’s the most dangerous striker in the world is that he is able to find that space against even the best defences.

That’s a great way to look at it Chris, credit is due to the back four in that game.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 10, 2022, 09:16:31 PM
In this Man Utd match Konsa very risky and lacking intelligence when in possession.  He has a struggle with football. Has to be careful.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 10, 2022, 09:25:32 PM
Deservedly subbed. Awful on the ball.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: brontebilly on December 27, 2022, 12:22:28 AM
A whole new level of dreadful today, really doesn't look like he will recover his form at this point. No part of his game is functioning. A real pity as I really rated him.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Risso on December 27, 2022, 12:33:48 AM
He had a shocker. His total lack of pace was really shown up today.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: adrenachrome on December 27, 2022, 02:12:05 AM
It's not the cross from DeBruyne that's the issue, it was leaving the most dangerous striker in the world alone at the back post.

Rather than focus on that I take the view that the back 4 did well to limit his opportunities. One of the reasons that he’s the most dangerous striker in the world is that he is able to find that space against even the best defences.

Good point.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: LeeB on December 28, 2022, 01:25:29 PM
I know Chambers was poor at Old Trafford but that was playing on the left and receiving the ball a lot under pressure on his weaker side with Nervous Nerys in goal.

On previous form he deserves a go alongside Mings on his favoured side over Konsa, at least until Carlos is fit again.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 31, 2023, 02:29:14 PM
Have to credit Konsa as I feel he's enormously improved again under Emery having lost his way with Gerrard.
Its encouraging hes eager to learn.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Drummond on January 31, 2023, 02:49:03 PM
No, you dont' have to credit him when he hasn't played for a week and a half.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: LeeB on January 31, 2023, 02:50:35 PM
I see the narrative now is:
 
good player : studious
bad player : thick as mince
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: brontebilly on February 25, 2023, 09:18:25 PM
Absolutely shocking today. A minor miracle we kept a clean sheet with his performance.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on February 25, 2023, 09:30:59 PM
I have no idea what was going through his mind when he decided the best thing to do was flick that wayward shot back across goal from a prone position.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Aldridge Villa on February 25, 2023, 09:32:39 PM
Seemed to be our talisman with his performances in the empty stadium Covid days… alas regression since apart from the odd good performance here and there.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: nigel on February 25, 2023, 09:32:48 PM
It wasn’t long ago we were calling for him to get an England call up, so that standard is there.
I think we just need that top quality consistency and we have our Ezri back.
There’s a very good player there
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 25, 2023, 10:01:02 PM
It wasn’t long ago we were calling for him to get an England call up, so that standard is there.
I think we just need that top quality consistency and we have our Ezri back.
There’s a very good player there
He has been missing for some time now, awful today.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 25, 2023, 10:08:46 PM
Needs to be first on the list to go this summer.

It doesn't matter if he improves his form, he's never going to be even remotely good enough on the ball to play the way Emery wants to.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: LeonW on February 25, 2023, 10:53:02 PM
He certainly needs to put more punch into his passes to play the way Emery wants to.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Ian. on February 26, 2023, 12:01:50 AM
Needs to be first on the list to go this summer.

It doesn't matter if he improves his form, he's never going to be even remotely good enough on the ball to play the way Emery wants to.

Unfortunately that’s the way I see it. A different manager with a different system he may have a future, but not under Emery.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: brontebilly on February 26, 2023, 12:04:03 AM
It wasn’t long ago we were calling for him to get an England call up, so that standard is there.
I think we just need that top quality consistency and we have our Ezri back.
There’s a very good player there

I thought that for a long time but if anything he is getting worse. Bullied physically throughout in any duels or contested balls. Won't close down attackers properly. Let's balls bounce for no reason. That's before his increasingly painful limitations with the ball.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Matt C on February 26, 2023, 02:26:22 AM
He’s always been best suited to the last-gasp-block style of defending and does/did it very well. However, he looks desperately uncomfortable where the emphasis is on playing the ball out from the back, it’s just not his game.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Villafirst on February 26, 2023, 03:37:12 AM
It won't be long before Diego Carlos replaces Konsa to partner Tyrone Mings. I think that'll be UE's first choice centre back pairing.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Astnor on February 26, 2023, 07:43:52 AM
He’s always been best suited to the last-gasp-block style of defending and does/did it very well. However, he looks desperately uncomfortable where the emphasis is on playing the ball out from the back, it’s just not his game.
I agree with this, still he does it much more effective than Cash and even more effective than Mings IMO.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: AV82EC on February 26, 2023, 11:57:34 AM
He’s always been best suited to the last-gasp-block style of defending and does/did it very well. However, he looks desperately uncomfortable where the emphasis is on playing the ball out from the back, it’s just not his game.
I agree with this, still he does it much more effective than Cash and even more effective than Mings IMO.

I’m sorry but Konsa is no where near as good as Mings with the ball and Mings is by no means good either. Diego Carlos can’t come back soon enough to replace Konsa in my view.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Brend'Watkins on February 26, 2023, 12:00:27 PM
He’s good at what we know he can do but is nowhere near good enough for what Emery wants. Cant see him being with us beyond this season.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: SamTheMouse on February 26, 2023, 12:17:43 PM
He seems to have hit a bit of a ceiling in the last couple of seasons and it doesn't look to me as if we're going to see any more improvement from him.

Decent without kicking on the way I thought he might, which is a shame.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Dave on March 30, 2023, 12:25:01 PM
While it's very easy to produce reams of statistics these days that don't really mean anything, I guess it's not a bad thing if your players are doing well on the lists of meaningless stats:

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Outfield players who have been dribbled past the fewest times in the Premier League this season (2000+ mins):

1️⃣ Ezri Konsa - 2
2️⃣ Erling Haaland, 𝗪𝗶𝗹𝗹𝗶𝗮𝗺 𝗦𝗮𝗹𝗶𝗯𝗮 - 3
3️⃣ Fabian Schar - 5
4️⃣ 𝗚𝗮𝗯𝗿𝗶𝗲𝗹 𝗠𝗮𝗴𝗮𝗹𝗵𝗮𝗲𝘀, Sven Botman - 6
5️⃣ Harry Kane - 7
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Drummond on March 30, 2023, 12:26:02 PM
That's a pretty good stat as a Centre Back. When you look at the list and see a bunch of strikers in it.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Dave on March 30, 2023, 12:32:43 PM
Yeah. I guess what it doesn't give us context.

i.e if nobody ever tries to dribble past you because you're always massively out of position, you might score well on a list like that.

Not that I think that's applicable to Konsa or owt.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Drummond on March 30, 2023, 12:34:56 PM
Yeah. I guess what it doesn't give us context.

i.e if nobody ever tries to dribble past you because you're always massively out of position, you might score well on a list like that.

Not that I think that's applicable to Konsa or owt.

I thought that just after I hit 'Post'....
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Olof's Beard on March 30, 2023, 12:47:05 PM
Yeah. I guess what it doesn't give us context.

i.e if nobody ever tries to dribble past you because you're always massively out of position, you might score well on a list like that.

Not that I think that's applicable to Konsa or owt.

I thought that just after I hit 'Post'....

He had a similar stat in the lockdown season when he hadn't been dribbled past for a massive run of games. There has to be something there, but it's a funny little stat without context you're right.

I really thought he'd go on to play for England back then but he hasn't kicked on and will likely lose his place next season.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Risso on March 30, 2023, 12:52:13 PM
I can think of a number of times where he's been beaten quite easily, the last match against Bournemouth being once such. It probably wasn't classed as a "dribble" but the attacker ran past him like he wasn't there and he had to be bailed out by Mings.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: bill on March 30, 2023, 01:09:25 PM
He’s a player who has gone backwards. Sad really, a couple of years ago I thought he was pretty good. Now, he’s an out and out liability.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: olaftab on March 30, 2023, 01:39:40 PM
While it's very easy to produce reams of statistics these days that don't really mean anything, I guess it's not a bad thing if your players are doing well on the lists of meaningless stats:

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Outfield players who have been dribbled past the fewest times in the Premier League this season (2000+ mins):

1️⃣ Ezri Konsa - 2
2️⃣ Erling Haaland, 𝗪𝗶𝗹𝗹𝗶𝗮𝗺 𝗦𝗮𝗹𝗶𝗯𝗮 - 3
3️⃣ Fabian Schar - 5
4️⃣ 𝗚𝗮𝗯𝗿𝗶𝗲𝗹 𝗠𝗮𝗴𝗮𝗹𝗵𝗮𝗲𝘀, Sven Botman - 6
5️⃣ Harry Kane - 7
Isn't this forwards being dribbled past a bit like Centre Backs are always top hits on number of passes made stat?
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on March 30, 2023, 01:43:26 PM
I think he's looked much better in the last few games, but his lack of confidence on the ball still means Mings has to take too much responsibility.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Somniloquism on March 30, 2023, 02:11:12 PM
I can think of a number of times where he's been beaten quite easily, the last match against Bournemouth being once such. It probably wasn't classed as a "dribble" but the attacker ran past him like he wasn't there and he had to be bailed out by Mings.

It was a very good pass onto the run so yes, wouldn't be classed as a dribble. However it wasn't just the the attacker that went past Konsa like he wasn't there, but also Mings as well to make the bail out.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: paul_e on March 30, 2023, 03:47:47 PM
I can think of a number of times where he's been beaten quite easily, the last match against Bournemouth being once such. It probably wasn't classed as a "dribble" but the attacker ran past him like he wasn't there and he had to be bailed out by Mings.

Running in behind a player is very different to taking them on and beating them with pace/skill. Konsa's biggest strength by far is in him winning those individual battles and this stat proves it, it doesn't help him when his positioning and awareness let him down though.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: eamonn on April 02, 2023, 02:40:26 PM
He may not be the distributor from the back we need but a fine game for him yesterday and part of another clean sheet.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on April 02, 2023, 02:57:30 PM
He may not be the distributor from the back we need but a fine game for him yesterday and part of another clean sheet.
Yes, he’s a good defender certainly.  And I think good enough for next season (along with Carlos and Mings)
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: KevinGage on April 02, 2023, 03:02:55 PM
Thought he was MOTM contender yesterday, along with McGinn and Martinez.

Distribution-wise I think we'll need better, if we're persisting with playing out from the back. But happy to see him as a valuable squad player who can slot in as required.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on April 02, 2023, 03:08:04 PM
Exactly KG
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Nev on April 02, 2023, 03:18:03 PM
While he hasn't got anywhere near his form under Smith when he first made the team I think he's slowly improving.
Like so many others, the coaching is making all the difference.
I'm not sure he will still be first pick next season but I'm not writing him off just yet.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Risso on April 02, 2023, 03:21:23 PM
I think we saw the best and worst of him yesterday. That last second tackle in the box was McGrath-esque. Timed to perfection and anything else probably would have been a penalty. But then it was him who let Mudryk steam past him, and a better/more composed striker would almost certainly have scored. Something similar to that happens to Konsa every game needing him to be bailed out. Overall he did play well yesterday though, he just needs to cut those situations out.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: RamboandBruno on April 02, 2023, 05:54:16 PM
I think we saw the best and worst of him yesterday. That last second tackle in the box was McGrath-esque. Timed to perfection and anything else probably would have been a penalty. But then it was him who let Mudryk steam past him, and a better/more composed striker would almost certainly have scored. Something similar to that happens to Konsa every game needing him to be bailed out. Overall he did play well yesterday though, he just needs to cut those situations out.
Agree with all of this.
Im also wary that at various times over the last 6 months I’ve written both McGinn and Watkins off, so who knows if Emery’s coaching can build Konsa back up again.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: nigel on April 03, 2023, 08:00:17 AM
While he hasn't got anywhere near his form under Smith when he first made the team I think he's slowly improving.
Like so many others, the coaching is making all the difference.
I'm not sure he will still be first pick next season but I'm not writing him off just yet.

Agree, he’s a very good defender adapting to another system.
Yes, he had struggled, but how much of that was down to the midfield being over run? Tyrone was also struggling a touch.
Unai comes in, the midfield is sorted and, all of a sudden, Konsa and Mings are looking very good again.
People were writing Luiz and McGinn off fairly recently and they’ve, arguably, been our two best players since Emery came in.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: coreyfeldman on April 25, 2023, 10:42:34 PM
I really feel that Ez goes under the radar for us. Since emery came in he's been rock solid, rarely puts a foot wrong and actually his distribution has been really good, he regularly pierces the lines with his passing and looks so assured. I was hugely critical of him early on this season and I'm massively eating my words.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Keeno on April 25, 2023, 10:50:07 PM
Looked like an elite level CB tonight - stood out above everyone else on the pitch in a pretty average game from both teams.

When he's at his best he makes defending look effortless. Emery could take his game to the next level.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 25, 2023, 10:56:46 PM
I don’t need to eat my words, he looked pretty awful under Gerrard and now looks like a very good footballer.
The turnaround is miraculous.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on April 25, 2023, 11:10:24 PM
He still doesn't fancy pinging that 50 yard cross-fielder out to Moreno, though. Ah well, can't have everything, I suppose.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 21, 2023, 11:10:54 AM
He is definitely not an option for me as a right back in any attacking sense of play.
It will be intriguing to see if he occasionally plays there because he can be composed when in possession at the back and is a solid defender whos only getting better. Although I would rather have Konsa as the right centre half, and prefer him to Chambers in any sense.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: OCD on July 21, 2023, 11:40:53 AM
We know Emery likes his asymmetrical back-line with one attacking-minded full-back and one less so, who can make it a back 3. Using Konsa as a right back plays into that and should be quite solid defensively. Certainly his one-on-one stats are very good.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on July 21, 2023, 12:18:39 PM
We know Emery likes his asymmetrical back-line with one attacking-minded full-back and one less so, who can make it a back 3. Using Konsa as a right back plays into that and should be quite solid defensively. Certainly his one-on-one stats are very good.
Not a challenge to this statement, rather a genuine question - do we know if Emery likes an asymetrical backline? Or is a case of him believing Moreno (and Digne to a lesser extent) can do what is required more than Cash can.

Cash can get forward, though he final ball is often woeful. I wonder whether if Emery thinks that if he can find a RB equivalent of Moreno, he would operate with both - not so that both FBs get high up the pitch at the same time, rather that we have the option to attack with a high FB down the right as well as the left - with the left FB staying back when that happens.

It would mean we are less predictable and hence harder to set up against. UTV.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 21, 2023, 12:21:59 PM
We do need a right back when Diaby or Bailey come inside. Especially when they make moves into the box.
Diaby movement into area particularly needs to see a right back that is effective at the top end of the pitch.
Certainly he'll create space for a wide right midfielder or ideally fullback that exploited.
Konsa no. Cash yes but is there better?
Chambers . No.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: OCD on July 21, 2023, 12:22:42 PM
I suspect it would depend on the opposition. If we're at home to a lesser able team who are playing a low block, he may well choose to have 2 attacking full-backs. But he favoured the asymmetrical back 4 last season. 
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Risso on July 21, 2023, 12:24:36 PM
I suspect it would depend on the opposition. If we're at home to a lesser able team who are playing a low block, he may well choose to have 2 attacking full-backs. But he favoured the asymmetrical back 4 last season. 

Asymmetrical yes, but only in so far as it was usually one full back (Moreno) getting forward with the other staying back a bit more. He never played a central defender out of position that I can recall.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Monty on July 21, 2023, 12:28:43 PM
I suspect it would depend on the opposition. If we're at home to a lesser able team who are playing a low block, he may well choose to have 2 attacking full-backs. But he favoured the asymmetrical back 4 last season. 

Asymmetrical yes, but only in so far as it was usually one full back (Moreno) getting forward with the other staying back a bit more. He never played a central defender out of position that I can recall.

But maybe he could adapt! It's only 'out of position' if they fail to.

For instance - how many people had McGinn down as a wide midfielder? If it works it works. Players aren't jigsaw pieces, they don't only fit in one place - they have attributes and weaknesses and things that they feel more or less comfortable in, and the best coaches are the ones who can help mould these.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Risso on July 21, 2023, 12:31:24 PM
McGinn's not playing as a wide midfielder in the traditional sense of getting the ball wide, and beating a player with trickery and pace though.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Monty on July 21, 2023, 12:33:42 PM
Indeed, which is why I would agree that hoping Konsa turns into Ashley Young would likely be far off track. Being the defensive side of an asymmetrical system, however, might well not be beyond him if Emery wants to coach it into him.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: paul_e on July 21, 2023, 12:34:44 PM
We know Emery likes his asymmetrical back-line with one attacking-minded full-back and one less so, who can make it a back 3. Using Konsa as a right back plays into that and should be quite solid defensively. Certainly his one-on-one stats are very good.
Not a challenge to this statement, rather a genuine question - do we know if Emery likes an asymetrical backline? Or is a case of him believing Moreno (and Digne to a lesser extent) can do what is required more than Cash can.

Cash can get forward, though he final ball is often woeful. I wonder whether if Emery thinks that if he can find a RB equivalent of Moreno, he would operate with both - not so that both FBs get high up the pitch at the same time, rather that we have the option to attack with a high FB down the right as well as the left - with the left FB staying back when that happens.

It would mean we are less predictable and hence harder to set up against. UTV.

We were definitely setup as an asymmetrical shape, it's was clearer when Bailey was playing.


Defensively we'd be something like this (sometimes McGinn would go into the 2nd striker role and lead a press, other times he'd go to the right and we'd leave Bailey up as a counter attack option):

(https://i.ibb.co/1sQDF7K/lineup.png)


Once we were on the ball all the passing around at the back would be done whilst we were moving to something more like this:

(https://i.ibb.co/NNsRmbt/lineup-1.png) (https://ibb.co/NNsRmbt)


I don't think we'll move away from this when Moreno is playing because he is fantastic at transitioning from a fullback to what is pretty much an out and out winger.

Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on July 21, 2023, 12:36:20 PM
Agreed. I know it is what he did last season.

Though does anyone know whether that is his typical set-up or might it just be because he felt it was only an option to play with the LB getting forward because Moreno was the only one that could, consistently, do what Emery wants in that role.

If that is the case, then he might want to recruit a RB that is capable of operating in the same way.

I don't think it is relevant that we might need a more defensive RB when Diaby is in the team because last season, Bailey was often very high and wide and miles away from Cash. It happened so often it had to be intentional - though at times it made us look unbalanced.

It did work well when SJM played wide right and pinned back Newcastle's donkey LB but that was more about SJM demanding more involvement and relishing the physical challenge - which is certainly not a strength of Bailey! 
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: OCD on July 21, 2023, 12:36:59 PM
Emery's already used Konsa at right back - away at Wolves when he brought Diego Carlos on, took Young off and moved Konsa to right back.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 21, 2023, 01:01:41 PM
Didn’t ex-spurs/Argentine centre back Foyth (sp?) play right-back for villareal?
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on July 21, 2023, 01:07:58 PM
I never saw much of Villareal, but I understood Emery tended to play an asymmetric system there too, the left fullback pushing up, left mid tucking in, right mid pushing up.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Villafirst on July 27, 2023, 05:38:49 PM
Hopefully Ezri's injury isn't too serious. Looked like he was clutching his hamstring which is a worry.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: paul_e on July 27, 2023, 05:42:59 PM
I never saw much of Villareal, but I understood Emery tended to play an asymmetric system there too, the left fullback pushing up, left mid tucking in, right mid pushing up.

Juan Foyth played at right back fairly regularly and, from our squad, he's most like Chambers, more suited to centre back but can play in a few other positions and be competent, not much of a threat going forward though.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: not3bad on July 31, 2023, 01:03:25 PM
Why aren't we talking about this goal.

https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1685739775133630464?s=20
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Risso on July 31, 2023, 01:06:43 PM
A cross between Hutton and Dalian. Outstanding.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Hillbilly on July 31, 2023, 01:40:48 PM
I loved the baldy coach’s reaction, just staring open-mouthed pointing at the field. I don’t think he could believe what he’d just seen.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: maidstonevillain on July 31, 2023, 01:44:20 PM
Why aren't we talking about this goal.

https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1685739775133630464?s=20

Where's the man with the umbrella.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: OCD on July 31, 2023, 01:55:41 PM
Loved how he was just 2 strong for the defenders and then seeing the fear in the rest of the team so they just kept backing off.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: paul_e on July 31, 2023, 01:57:02 PM
Loved how he was just 2 strong for the defenders and then seeing the fear in the rest of the team so they just kept backing off.

Yep, him leaving 2 guys sprawled on the floor was my favourite part of it.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: dave shelley on July 31, 2023, 02:02:38 PM
He had the look of an angry man to me, a determined angry man.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 31, 2023, 02:11:26 PM
Most impressive was being able to finish like that for a defender that's just run that far.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: eamonn on July 31, 2023, 02:17:01 PM
Phuck me old boots, just seen it! Reminded me of that Saudi Arabian fella's wonder goal at World Cup '94. That was on a baking hot summer's day in the US, too.

Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 31, 2023, 03:28:52 PM
The finish, after the run in that heat having shrugged off a number of Brentford players adopting Frank's genius tactics was simply superb.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: darren woolley on July 31, 2023, 03:46:46 PM
What a brilliant goal he scored.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 31, 2023, 03:51:07 PM
The contrast of the pervy ski instructor with his board telling his team to stay narrow with the sight shortly after of them parting like the Red Sea as our centre half ran through them like they weren’t there was brilliant.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Risso on July 31, 2023, 03:54:56 PM
He should have stuck his board in the top corner of the goal.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 14, 2023, 08:31:05 AM
I like Ezri, but he was piss poor on Saturday. He’s experienced enough now and he needs to step up.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 14, 2023, 01:10:27 PM
I like Ezri, but he was piss poor on Saturday. He’s experienced enough now and he needs to step up.

To be honest after seeing his partner get a season ending injury i am not surprised his concentration went west. It was an awful mistake and was a game killer - everyone's heads went down (even though Cash still managed to miss a sitter)

Konsa has been exceptional for the last 10m months - so lets give him some slack
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: 85kota on August 27, 2023, 09:10:33 PM
Ezri has been absolutely superb the last few games.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: OCD on August 27, 2023, 09:43:09 PM
He would be in the frame for an England call-up if he played for someone else.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Risso on August 27, 2023, 10:30:19 PM
Some lovely skills at times against Burnley, went past players like they weren’t there.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Beard82 on August 27, 2023, 10:47:49 PM
Some lovely skills at times against Burnley, went past players like they weren’t there.
Agreed - was seriously impressed by some of his play when he was going forward
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Hillbilly on September 01, 2023, 06:28:25 AM
I know it's picking at old wounds and changes nothin but it should be noted for the record that Maguire getting into the England squad over Konsa is ludicrous.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Chap on September 01, 2023, 07:41:25 AM
I know it's picking at old wounds and changes nothin but it should be noted for the record that Maguire getting into the England squad over Konsa is ludicrous.
Maguire getting anywhere near the England squad is ludicrous!
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: sid1964 on September 01, 2023, 07:44:57 AM
Southgate obviously does not think he his good enough
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Villafirst on September 01, 2023, 07:50:52 AM
Southgate is pathetic picking Maguire and Phillips. No full appearances this season from either of them. How can they be match fit and fully up to speed? Also, a nonsense picking Henderson who now plays in a Mickey mouse league. England will never win anything with the clown Southgate in charge.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: PaulTheVillan on September 01, 2023, 07:51:16 AM
Southgate is pathetic picking Maguire and Phillips. No full appearances this season from either of them. How can they be match fit and fully up to speed? Also, a nonsense picking Henderson who now plays in a Mickey mouse league. England will never win anything with the clown Southgate in charge.

This.

Southgate is a moron.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Somniloquism on September 01, 2023, 09:41:21 AM
Southgate obviously does not think he his good enough

He seems to think a lot of players are not good enough until they are signed by a "big" club. Then they are un-droppable no matter current form or even if picked. Last season Phillips played more minutes for England then he did for Man City. Looks like the same this season being as he is in the squad again.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on September 01, 2023, 09:43:31 AM
Southgate is pathetic picking Maguire and Phillips. No full appearances this season from either of them. How can they be match fit and fully up to speed? Also, a nonsense picking Henderson who now plays in a Mickey mouse league. England will never win anything with the clown Southgate in charge.

This.

Southgate is a moron.
Yep.
Total twat.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Vegas on September 01, 2023, 12:05:06 PM
Southgate is pathetic picking Maguire and Phillips. No full appearances this season from either of them. How can they be match fit and fully up to speed? Also, a nonsense picking Henderson who now plays in a Mickey mouse league. England will never win anything with the clown Southgate in charge.

I’m not that bothered about England but I really think Southgate is abysmal. Those two easy runs to semi finals have really cut him a lot of slack with some very poor tactics and squad selections. Nketiah ahead of Watkins, Henderson ahead of ward prowse, and Maguire ahead of about 5 better centre backs are all shocking choices
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Drummond on September 01, 2023, 12:08:28 PM
Southgate is pathetic picking Maguire and Phillips. No full appearances this season from either of them. How can they be match fit and fully up to speed? Also, a nonsense picking Henderson who now plays in a Mickey mouse league. England will never win anything with the clown Southgate in charge.

I’m not that bothered about England but I really think Southgate is abysmal. Those two easy runs to semi finals have really cut him a lot of slack with some very poor tactics and squad selections. Nketiah ahead of Watkins, Henderson ahead of ward prowse, and Maguire ahead of about 5 better centre backs are all shocking choices

Yep. Of course with the strength in depth we have, there's about zero chance of us failing to qualify thus giving Southgate his justification.

We will then fail to win the thing, for all the reasons being highlighted, and we're back to square one.

Being England manager has always been a thankless task, but Southgate is falling into the same trap as his predecessors, which is disappointing as he seemed to be different when he first took over, giving lots of players a chance.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: The Man With A Stick on September 01, 2023, 12:16:51 PM
I'm not bothered about England either way but they got to those semis despite Southgate not because of him.  Konsa and Watkins must be disappointed but they'll benefit more at Bodymoor than spending a week in Burton getting tapped up by some Manchester/London-based arseholes.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Brend'Watkins on September 01, 2023, 12:16:58 PM
Southgate is pathetic picking Maguire and Phillips. No full appearances this season from either of them. How can they be match fit and fully up to speed? Also, a nonsense picking Henderson who now plays in a Mickey mouse league. England will never win anything with the clown Southgate in charge.

I’m not that bothered about England but I really think Southgate is abysmal. Those two easy runs to semi finals have really cut him a lot of slack with some very poor tactics and squad selections. Nketiah ahead of Watkins, Henderson ahead of ward prowse, and Maguire ahead of about 5 better centre backs are all shocking choices

He gets away with it because results are good.  While that remains the case he can justify his decisions and stick two fingers up at any criticism. England will beat Ukraine.  They'd beat them with Maguire, Phillips and Henderson starting.  Everyone knows they shouldn't be in the squad but the result will prove Southgate is right.  He isn't.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 01, 2023, 12:20:31 PM
I can understand him picking Maguire as he's rarely let England down. Henderson and Phillips are the ones that make a lot less sense to me.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Risso on September 01, 2023, 12:25:38 PM
As Drummond says, there's no chance of us ever failing to qualify. Southgate is lucky enough to have one of England's best ever strikers, and talent like Bellingham, Foden, Rice and Saka who would get into any side in the world. So for 90% of the time, it doesn't really matter who he picks around them. We're always going to be good enough to spank the likes of Estonia in qualifying stages, and to get through the group stages in finals against non-entity minnows like Latvia and Scotland. Where it matters is in the later stages from quarter finals onwards, and here we've suffered from Southgate's lack of bottle in both selections and tactics.

You could pick any lower Premier League/upper Championship standard English manager to replace Southgate, and they'd do at least as well with this generation of players.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: paul_e on September 01, 2023, 12:29:12 PM
I can understand him picking Maguire as he's rarely let England down. Henderson and Phillips are the ones that make a lot less sense to me.

I get your point but how long do you have to go not getting a match for your club before that 'never let England down' can't be used as justification any more? Maguire has played about 500minutes of league football since the world cup (about 5 and a half games). For me he shouldn't be anywhere near the squad if, for no other reason, it shows that playing regularly is a requirement for international selection and it stops players being happy to go to places like Man City and sit on the bench knowing it won't hurt their chances.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Risso on September 01, 2023, 12:32:17 PM
I can understand him picking Maguire as he's rarely let England down. Henderson and Phillips are the ones that make a lot less sense to me.

I get your point but how long do you have to go not getting a match for your club before that 'never let England down' can't be used as justification any more? Maguire has played about 500minutes of league football since the world cup (about 5 and a half games). For me he shouldn't be anywhere near the squad if, for no other reason, it shows that playing regularly is a requirement for international selection and it stops players being happy to go to places like Man City and sit on the bench knowing it won't hurt their chances.

And ditto Saudi Arabia with Henderson.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: paul_e on September 01, 2023, 12:43:05 PM
I can understand him picking Maguire as he's rarely let England down. Henderson and Phillips are the ones that make a lot less sense to me.

I get your point but how long do you have to go not getting a match for your club before that 'never let England down' can't be used as justification any more? Maguire has played about 500minutes of league football since the world cup (about 5 and a half games). For me he shouldn't be anywhere near the squad if, for no other reason, it shows that playing regularly is a requirement for international selection and it stops players being happy to go to places like Man City and sit on the bench knowing it won't hurt their chances.

And ditto Saudi Arabia with Henderson.

Indeed, it makes us look a bit like the countries who just select anyone who is available and half decent because they have very few options to pick from, not the home of the most powerful league in the world.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: danno on September 01, 2023, 12:44:27 PM
It happens with every England manager, its why (in my opinion) they should only do two or three tournaments.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: dave shelley on September 01, 2023, 12:55:05 PM
I wouldn't get over excited by Southgate not picking him...he wouldn't fucking play him anyway.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Hookeysmith on September 01, 2023, 02:54:49 PM
But if he played for a big club.......

I know it may upset the players but i could not give any less a shit about any of our players joining up with the England squad.

Nearly all that have, eventually end up leaving claiming their ambition - i think Gabby is the only one that did not but that was probably due to he could not spell ambition :)

Just look at how the media have jumped to the defence of a bang average Sterling being left out - it is a pathetic jobs for the boys club
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 01, 2023, 03:03:25 PM
He’s having a super season.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Hookeysmith on September 01, 2023, 03:10:49 PM
He’s having a super season.


Smashing ;)
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: brontebilly on September 01, 2023, 04:45:44 PM
Southgate is pathetic picking Maguire and Phillips. No full appearances this season from either of them. How can they be match fit and fully up to speed? Also, a nonsense picking Henderson who now plays in a Mickey mouse league. England will never win anything with the clown Southgate in charge.

I’m not that bothered about England but I really think Southgate is abysmal. Those two easy runs to semi finals have really cut him a lot of slack with some very poor tactics and squad selections. Nketiah ahead of Watkins, Henderson ahead of ward prowse, and Maguire ahead of about 5 better centre backs are all shocking choices

I don't think you can ignore that results under Southgate have been largely excellent. He's horribly conservative, definitely Euros blown at Wembley by sitting back and allowing Italy settle into the game, but you can't really ignore in the main his reign has been positive. The squad seems a lot more solid than when the likes of JT were publicly trying to get his mate Joe Cole into the team under Capello, or when Hodgson was picking Rooney in midfield and losing to Iceland! Allardyce and pints of wine etc

But Southgate can be incredibly two faced, not picking Grealish for years when he was with us for example and theres no justification for keeping Maguire, Henderson and Phillips in the squad. Could just pick young lads as England will win these games easily anyway. Sends a terrible message about his undroppables.

In saying that I wouldn't pick Konsa simply on his performances v Everton and Burnley which were fine but against limited opposition. Last decent forwards he faced were at Newcastle where he had a horror show. Let's see how he goes on Sunday.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Pete3206 on September 01, 2023, 04:55:46 PM
It's quite simple. If Konsa wants a place in Mouthgate's squad, he needs to sit on Man City or Chelsea's bench.

Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: LeeB on September 01, 2023, 05:21:30 PM
edit post fail
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Dante Lavelli on September 01, 2023, 10:42:28 PM
Who are the logical replacement from the Euro winning U21 squad?

McGuire = Colwill?
Henderson = Garner/Angel Gomez?
Phillips = Curtis Jones?

I’m curious, not making a point.  In theory the U21s should be promoted at this point.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Steve67 on September 01, 2023, 11:04:05 PM
I'm pleased no Villa players have made the England squad.  I wouldn't want them sullied with Southgate's dull and defensive coaching.  It may confuse our players.   I hope the press turn on Southgate as even they can now see what's happening.  Maguire can't get in the Manchester United squad but plays for England.  Henderson plays in the equivalent of League 1 and gets selected.  Utterly diabolical.  Villa are one of the best teams in the league.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: brontebilly on September 02, 2023, 12:43:08 AM
Who are the logical replacement from the Euro winning U21 squad?

McGuire = Colwill?
Henderson = Garner/Angel Gomez?
Phillips = Curtis Jones?

I’m curious, not making a point.  In theory the U21s should be promoted at this point.

Colwell for Maguire is easy. Garner & Jones hardly warrant it currently on club form but could have brought them in anyway.

JWP ahead of both Phillips and Henderson is a no brainer. Eng do well at set pieces and he's good at them. Also he left Soton to play at a higher level, Henderson joined the Saudis for the opposite reason. Maguire pulled out of a deal for regular football with West Ham for reasons of delusion? Phillips must have had offers if regular football but instead chose excitement on Man City's bench.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Hillbilly on September 02, 2023, 03:10:38 AM
In saying that I wouldn't pick Konsa simply on his performances v Everton and Burnley which were fine but against limited opposition. Last decent forwards he faced were at Newcastle where he had a horror show. Let's see how he goes on Sunday.

I'd pick him because he's been ever-present in a defence that (Newcastle aside) has barely conceded since March. And at least he's faced forwards which is more than Maguire who has faced the square root of sweet fanny adams.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: OCD on September 16, 2023, 06:26:13 PM
Seems to have gone up a level. Really should be in the discussion for an England call-up (not wishing to bring that up again).
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Chap on September 16, 2023, 06:31:55 PM
Agreed, thought he was excellent today.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 16, 2023, 06:54:24 PM
He’s having a super season.


MOTM for me today.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Ian. on September 16, 2023, 07:08:05 PM
He’s made a huge turnaround in the last year. Another player since Emery’s arrival I thought would not have adapted and has completely proved me wrong.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: RamboandBruno on September 16, 2023, 07:30:33 PM
He’s having a super season.


MOTM for me today.
Yes agree, superb
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Ger Regan on September 20, 2023, 07:27:17 PM
New contract signed. Good stuff, he's been superb since emery took over
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: RamboandBruno on September 20, 2023, 07:31:23 PM
New contract signed. Good stuff, he's been superb since emery took over

Agreed, he’s been superb, chuffed with this.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 20, 2023, 07:36:42 PM
https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2023/september/20/konsa-pens-long-term-contract/
Pleased for him, was becoming one of the scapegoats for some here but he's been great this year.

Also hope that green sweat jacket/hoodie he's wearing will be available for purchase.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: VillaTim on September 20, 2023, 07:38:15 PM
excellent news
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 20, 2023, 07:56:26 PM
Good stuff.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Drummond on September 20, 2023, 08:00:10 PM
Aston Villa is delighted to announce Ezri Konsa has signed a new, long-term contract with the club.

Konsa joined Villa in the summer of 2019 and has gone on to become a mainstay in the heart of defence.

He is now closing on 150 appearances for the club.

An Under-20 World Cup winner with England, he came through the youth system at Charlton Athletic before moving across London to Brentford.



What a shit statement that is.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Drummond on September 20, 2023, 08:00:38 PM
I'm pleased though.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Villafirst on September 20, 2023, 09:16:16 PM
Great news. It's a pity that the useless muppet in charge of the national team can't see how good Ezri is, and continues to pick the donkey Maguire.....
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: eamonn on September 20, 2023, 09:18:36 PM
Good lad. Now, what's the hold up with grumpy-chops Watkins signing a new deal?
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Risso on September 20, 2023, 11:12:16 PM
Good lad. Now, what's the hold up with grumpy-chops Watkins signing a new deal?

Maybe he's grumpy because the club have decided he's not all that and any contract offer isn't very good?
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Axl Rose on September 20, 2023, 11:30:12 PM
Aston Villa is delighted to announce Ezri Konsa has signed a new, long-term contract with the club.

Konsa joined Villa in the summer of 2019 and has gone on to become a mainstay in the heart of defence.

He is now closing on 150 appearances for the club.

An Under-20 World Cup winner with England, he came through the youth system at Charlton Athletic before moving across London to Brentford.



What a shit statement that is.

😂

Yeah, I'm pleased, too.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 20, 2023, 11:45:13 PM
Great news. It's a pity that the useless muppet in charge of the national team can't see how good Ezri is,

Roberto Martínez has always been clueless.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Clampy on September 21, 2023, 08:20:01 AM
Good news. For that we paid (was it £12m?) he's been a bargain.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Risso on September 21, 2023, 09:10:39 AM
Good news. For that we paid (was it £12m?) he's been a bargain.


Yep, about that. You'd have to put that signing entirely down to Dean Smith due to the Brentford connection, and in that sense probably his best bit of business.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: cdward on September 21, 2023, 09:23:08 AM
Good to see Konsa being offered a new deal.
I like Konsa, he just gets on with it, no fuss, no real drama.
Maybe the club statement is a reflection of him.
I like the fact the players we had in the championship are still part of this team and still want to be a part of it Mings, Konsa, McGinn, Watkins, and are growing and improving with us.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Risso on September 21, 2023, 09:23:57 AM
Good to see Konsa being offered a new deal.
I like Konsa, he just gets on with it, no fuss, no real drama.
Maybe the club statement is a reflection of him.
I like the fact the players we had in the championship are still part of this team and still want to be a part of it Mings, Konsa, McGinn, Watkins, and are growing and improving with us.


Watkins wasn't with us in the Championship.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: dr.chekov on September 21, 2023, 09:29:32 AM
Neither was Konsa, was he?
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Bully2345 on September 21, 2023, 09:30:00 AM
Nope. Konsa signed after promotion. Watkins after season one in the prem
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: darren woolley on September 21, 2023, 09:37:50 AM
I'm happy with this brilliant news.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: nigel on September 21, 2023, 09:54:06 AM
Great news. It's a pity that the useless muppet in charge of the national team can't see how good Ezri is,

Roberto Martínez has always been clueless.

Blimey, didn’t realise Martinez was Portugal coach these days
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: aldridgeboy on September 21, 2023, 12:29:12 PM
Great news and deserved.

However , I will never like the phrase “ Aston Villa is “

It may be grammatically correct , but it shouldn’t be.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: OCD on September 21, 2023, 12:51:17 PM
5 years according to the Express & Star.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: dave shelley on September 21, 2023, 12:53:38 PM
What's the duration of the contract?  I haven't seen it anywhere, possible I've missed it.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: OCD on September 21, 2023, 12:56:57 PM
^
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: dave shelley on September 21, 2023, 12:58:28 PM
Ta.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Hookeysmith on September 21, 2023, 01:33:26 PM
Quote
I like Konsa, he just gets on with it, no fuss, no real drama.

I like the fact than anything kicks off on the pitch, especially with out younger players, and he is straight in there.

Top player - if we had a decent national coach he would be gathering up caps as well as 150+ games for Villa
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Somniloquism on September 21, 2023, 01:38:16 PM
Good news. For that we paid (was it £12m?) he's been a bargain.


Yep, about that. You'd have to put that signing entirely down to Dean Smith due to the Brentford connection, and in that sense probably his best bit of business.

Luiz? Mings? (I almost added McGinn but Spud bought him the summer before. )
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: OCD on September 21, 2023, 01:46:28 PM
Smith actually tipped him to be a future England player when we signed him.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 21, 2023, 02:35:53 PM
Smith actually tipped him to be a future England player when we signed him.

He also saw the hunger to succeed in the eyes of Danny Drinkwater
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Risso on September 21, 2023, 02:39:10 PM
Good news. For that we paid (was it £12m?) he's been a bargain.


Yep, about that. You'd have to put that signing entirely down to Dean Smith due to the Brentford connection, and in that sense probably his best bit of business.

Luiz? Mings? (I almost added McGinn but Spud bought him the summer before. )

I meant as in the signing was purely down to Smith, rather than Pitarch or anybody else having an input.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: dcdavecollett on September 21, 2023, 11:59:11 PM
Well done, Ezri. Fully deserved.

Funnily enough I was wondering after the Palace game how long he had to go on his current deal. Now I can stop worrying.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: astonvilla82 on October 22, 2023, 09:35:04 PM
Think credit due to him over the last few games, very calm with the ball, massive turn around
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Mister E on October 22, 2023, 09:37:46 PM
That point, mid first half where he played Antonio out on the right and simply mashed him with skill, was superb; calm, in control and confident.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Drummond on October 22, 2023, 09:40:57 PM
He's just showing that the promise we thought was there is coming to fruition.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: tomd2103 on October 22, 2023, 10:07:25 PM
Superb again today. 
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 22, 2023, 10:09:33 PM
That point, mid first half where he played Antonio out on the right and simply mashed him with skill, was superb; calm, in control and confident.

Yep that was excellent.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Olof's Beard on October 23, 2023, 12:09:13 AM
Konsa is playing so well at the moment. He was decent in a difficult first year for us but brilliant in the Covid year. His formed seemed to dip a bit although he was never bad as such thereafter but since the Sultan arrived, he's been imperious. He was my man of the match today in the face of some pretty stiff competition.

You can also tell that he's a really good teammate. He's always one of the first to defend others and he seems to mix well. Now he's also proven that he can lead the defence in the absence of big Tyrone. Deserves a shit ton of praise at the moment, he's ace.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: UK Redsox on October 23, 2023, 09:10:10 AM
Ezri is potentially eligible to play for three at least other counties*

I'd love it if Southgate called him up and Konsa told him to shove it


* Da Wiki "Konsa was born to a Congolese (DRC) father and an Angolan mother. He is also eligible for Portuguese citizenship"
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Somniloquism on October 23, 2023, 09:12:43 AM
Ezri is potentially eligible to play for three at least other counties*

I'd love it if Southgate called him up and Konsa told him to shove it


* Da Wiki "Konsa was born to a Congolese (DRC) father and an Angolan mother. He is also eligible for Portuguese citizenship"

Worcestershire, Warwickshire and ??
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Rigadon on October 23, 2023, 09:14:40 AM
The most improved player under Emery maybe?  I mean they've all improved, but his form this season has been outstanding.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Flamingo Lane on October 23, 2023, 09:20:41 AM
His anticipation and then daftness of touch so close to the goal line that drew the foul for the penalty was excellent.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Drummond on October 23, 2023, 09:29:00 AM
His anticipation and then daftness of touch so close to the goal line that drew the foul for the penalty was excellent.

Yep, it was pretty stupid.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: VILLA MOLE on October 23, 2023, 09:38:30 AM
His anticipation and then daftness of touch so close to the goal line that drew the foul for the penalty was excellent.

Yep, it was pretty stupid.

His composure is silly at times
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on October 23, 2023, 11:16:26 AM
Konsa has quietly become an outstanding player.  He was slightly off it last season and I thought his position would be under serious threat this season as we keepy buying centre backs, but he has mostly be outstanding.

I'm a bit more circumspect about his England chances - as a right-sided centre-back he's mainly competing against Stones, Walker & Tomori.  But he must be forcing himself into the conversation.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: LeeB on October 23, 2023, 11:19:12 AM
Is Tomori that good? He's playing at a lower level in Italy right now.

Oh sorry, I forgot, he was coached by Steve Holland at Chelsea.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: coreyfeldman on October 23, 2023, 11:29:12 AM
Still only 26 as well, most of Englands centre halves are 30+ so I expect him to get opportunities.

Him and colwill would be my pick rn
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on October 23, 2023, 11:38:24 AM
Is Tomori that good? He's playing at a lower level in Italy right now.

Oh sorry, I forgot, he was coached by Steve Holland at Chelsea.

I think he's potentially excellent.  But also he and Guehi deserved their chance based on last season's form.  It would be pretty fickle of Southgate to bin them just after they've been brought into the squad. 
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Paul.S on October 23, 2023, 11:43:04 AM
I think we all wondered if Konsa would step up when Mings got his injury. Well what a step up he’s made. He’s taken the responsibility as the leader in defence and his performances have been superb.
As for England, it’s a closed shop and I think we could all pick the squad Southgate will go for at the Euro’s. If he was at one of the usual clubs he’d be in now as you only have to have a couple of decent games at those clubs. Let’s see but I presume he’d only get looked at if there are injuries.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 23, 2023, 12:22:16 PM
I wish he’d just declare for Portugal. Fucking England and Southgate don’t deserve him. One of the best talents of his position in the country the likes of Dunk, Colwill, Guehi get in instead. Let alone Maguire. I’m not being dismissive of the first three individually as they’ve all played for their clubs consistently and well, but Konsa has done it for as long if not longer at a very high level, and taken a big step up with Mings gone. He’s playing just superbly right now.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: pablo_picasso on October 23, 2023, 12:25:58 PM
Im not going to lie, I genuinely thought that both Mings & Konsa were nowhere near good enough to play possession football under a manager like Emery.

How wrong I was.

Konsa has to be right up there with the best English defenders in the game at the moment.

And tbh, he has to be in the conversation for best performing centre backs in the whole of the Premier League.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: LeeB on October 23, 2023, 12:26:05 PM
Not just as a defender either, he's playing the type of modern progressive football that will be required to win major tournaments.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: pablo_picasso on October 23, 2023, 12:28:33 PM
Not just as a defender either, he's playing the type of modern progressive football that will be required to win major tournaments.

Absolutely.

The little flick from Watkins near the end of the game got a lot of praise, & rightfully so, as it was wonderful, but before that, the play in the corner from Konsa was absolutely world class.

The whole move from back to front was tbh...
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on October 23, 2023, 12:28:34 PM
I wish he’d just declare for Portugal. Fucking England and Southgate don’t deserve him. One of the best talents of his position in the country the likes of Dunk, Colwill, Guehi get in instead. Let alone Maguire. I’m not being dismissive of the first three individually as they’ve all played for their clubs consistently and well, but Konsa has done it for as long if not longer at a very high level, and taken a big step up with Mings gone. He’s pAslaying just superbly right now.
I'm not sure how many times we have to say this but Maguire isn't being picked ahead of him.  Maguire is being picked to play on the left which Konsa hasn't played for us since he joined.

As for Dunk, Colwill, Guehi & Tomori - they earned their call-ups with excellent performances last season when Konsa was going through a bit of a sticky patch.  And Dunk, Colwill & Guehi can all play on the left too.

There's no way Maguire should be in the squad, but I haven't got a problem with the others mentioned.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 23, 2023, 12:32:03 PM
A good coach and manager would have shunted Maguire out of the squad ages ago because so much a liability it doesn’t matter if he plays on the left or right. Konsa has been playing at just as high a level as all of those players for just as long. And I would argue better than all of them this season when he’s been forced to do more including bringing on a new CB pattern with limited English and knowledge of the PL game.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: trinityoap on October 23, 2023, 12:34:09 PM
Konsa might be playing the progressive type of football required to win tournaments but unfortunately Southgate isn't.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Villa in Denmark on October 23, 2023, 07:59:56 PM
Konsa might be playing the progressive type of football required to win tournaments but unfortunately Southgate isn't.

Good point, well made.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Smithy on October 23, 2023, 09:06:03 PM
I wish he’d just declare for Portugal. Fucking England and Southgate don’t deserve him. One of the best talents of his position in the country the likes of Dunk, Colwill, Guehi get in instead. Let alone Maguire. I’m not being dismissive of the first three individually as they’ve all played for their clubs consistently and well, but Konsa has done it for as long if not longer at a very high level, and taken a big step up with Mings gone. He’s playing just superbly right now.

Dunk is a very good defender, but at 31 I don't see the point in blooding him at International level when there are equally good centre-halves with a decade to go in their International careers.  I could understand it if he was demonstrably head and shoulders above the others, but he isn't.

I think Guehi and Colwill look to be genuine top class centre-half prospects, and that's probably who Ezri is competing against in the 'next generation'.  The Euros will be Walker's last tournament.  Stones and Maguire will be 32 and 33 respectively at the next World Cup, so I'd be amazed if they were still regular first teamers at their current clubs by then.  I would say this "normally" means they'd lose their International place, but Henderson has kept his despite turning out for the equivalent of a Saudi pub team.

Ezri is probably going to need an injury or two ahead of him to get a chance with England, and then let's hope he grabs it with both hands.  Fighting for a top four place all season certainly won't hurt his chances.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 23, 2023, 10:07:38 PM
He’s been top class with the additional responsibility. I thought a couple of years back he reminded a bit of Rio Ferdinand, he lost his way, but he’s now showing that ability again.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: VillaTim on October 23, 2023, 10:10:06 PM
He's gone up a level this season , possibly 2 levels . Absolutely top class in recent weeks
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: VILLA MOLE on October 23, 2023, 10:17:38 PM
he looks an absolute Rolls Royce at the moment
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 31, 2023, 02:53:56 PM
He has not *been pretty error prone of late and a most unusual goal.
It was a peculiar header by Konsa against Luton and denied us a clean sheet.
Not sure what was happening there. Took Emi Martinez and us all by surprise.
*Amended
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 31, 2023, 02:54:48 PM
Been pretty error prone of late and a most unusual goal.
It was a peculiar header by Konsa against Luton and denied us a clean sheet.
Not sure what was happening there. Took Emi Martinez and us all by surprise.


Error prone of late? You mean involved in a bizarre OG the other day. Not exactly the same thing.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: paul_e on October 31, 2023, 02:55:58 PM
Yeah error prone suggests more than 1 and I can't think of anything else he's done 'wrong'.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: VILLA MOLE on October 31, 2023, 02:56:40 PM
Been pretty error prone of late and a most unusual goal.
It was a peculiar header by Konsa against Luton and denied us a clean sheet.
Not sure what was happening there. Took Emi Martinez and us all by surprise.



Bloody hell Gareth  ???
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 31, 2023, 03:15:19 PM
It was meant to say hasn't been error prone! Not sure what happened there.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: eamonn on November 01, 2023, 11:40:50 AM
Halloween gremlins.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 09, 2023, 12:00:51 AM

I wish he’d just declare for Portugal. Fucking England and Southgate don’t deserve him. One of the best talents of his position in the country the likes of Dunk, Colwill, Guehi get in instead. Let alone Maguire. I’m not being dismissive of the first three individually as they’ve all played for their clubs consistently and well, but Konsa has done it for as long if not longer at a very high level, and taken a big step up with Mings gone. He’s playing just superbly right now.

Dunk is a very good defender, but at 31 I don't see the point in blooding him at International level when there are equally good centre-halves with a decade to go in their International careers.  I could understand it if he was demonstrably head and shoulders above the others, but he isn't.

I think Guehi and Colwill look to be genuine top class centre-half prospects, and that's probably who Ezri is competing against in the 'next generation'.  The Euros will be Walker's last tournament.  Stones and Maguire will be 32 and 33 respectively at the next World Cup, so I'd be amazed if they were still regular first teamers at their current clubs by then.  I would say this "normally" means they'd lose their International place, but Henderson has kept his despite turning out for the equivalent of a Saudi pub team.

Ezri is probably going to need an injury or two ahead of him to get a chance with England, and then let's hope he grabs it with both hands.  Fighting for a top four place all season certainly won't hurt his chances.

Later today Southgate has a Squad announcement for international Euro Qualifiers v Malta and North Macedonia.
Stones is injured and maybe others to be rested?
What chances Konsa for England call up with qualification already secured?
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Exeter 77 on November 09, 2023, 08:08:34 AM
Does anyone know if the Portuguese have been assessing Konsa for a call up?
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Hookeysmith on November 09, 2023, 02:26:07 PM
So John Stones injured and McGuire is still shit with 2 games that mean nothing and ideally to try out new players etc....still no Konsa

The horsefaced wanker is an arrogant buffoon
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 09, 2023, 02:26:28 PM
This clown remains an England starter and Ezri cannot get a spot in the squad. I give up

https://x.com/nocontextfooty/status/1722619764395364633?s=46
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Monty on November 09, 2023, 02:33:43 PM
Just trolling at this point.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: LeeB on November 09, 2023, 02:39:11 PM
Just trolling at this point.

Yeah, there's no justification in any sane persons mind.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: tomd2103 on November 09, 2023, 04:36:24 PM
Would have him ahead of any of the CBs selected, not just Maguire. 
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Pete3206 on November 09, 2023, 05:17:05 PM
Ive said it before, if he simply sat on the bench of any of the Sky favoured clubs, he'd be instantly selected and hailed as a revelation on his debut.

Southgate is an absolute arse.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Paul.S on November 09, 2023, 06:16:15 PM
He’s head and shoulders above any English centre half this season. I thought his time with us was limited but the way he’s come back is unbelievable. Deserves a call up but he’s not going to get it.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Bad English on November 09, 2023, 07:47:57 PM
Bumped in anticipation of something.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: AV84 on November 09, 2023, 07:50:01 PM
Dunk (maybe) injured against Ajax. Konsa next in line?
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Somniloquism on November 09, 2023, 10:17:24 PM
Dunk (maybe) injured against Ajax. Konsa next in line?

Once he has named his squad, he doesn't normally call anyone else up.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: coreyfeldman on November 09, 2023, 11:24:06 PM
Excellent again tonight, loved his foray forwards in the first half. Always goes somewhat under the radar somehow, love him
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 09, 2023, 11:24:31 PM
This is unbelievable. I know it’s not about Konsa but related in that what Southgate says about Ramsdale clearly means nothing at all as it relates to others he picks despite rarely or never playing. Back to our Ezri I think it would take a bit a of miracle now for him to get in because the manager has no consistency in what he does. He’s got his favourites and that’s how it will be.

https://x.com/fabrizioromano/status/1722750204506423391?s=46
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on November 10, 2023, 02:15:44 PM
I think in the first half in particular he showed just how comfortable on the ball he has become.  He really is a very good player.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: pablo_picasso on November 10, 2023, 10:07:55 PM
This is unbelievable. I know it’s not about Konsa but related in that what Southgate says about Ramsdale clearly means nothing at all as it relates to others he picks despite rarely or never playing. Back to our Ezri I think it would take a bit a of miracle now for him to get in because the manager has no consistency in what he does. He’s got his favourites and that’s how it will be.

https://x.com/fabrizioromano/status/1722750204506423391?s=46

I really do despise Southgate...
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Mortimer's Bear on November 13, 2023, 08:54:47 AM
just read on twatter that Ezri might be getting a phone call today...
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Somniloquism on November 13, 2023, 09:03:34 AM
just read on twatter that Ezri might be getting a phone call today...

I would be surprised. AFAIK nothing has changed in defence since he named his squad without Stones who naturally plays that position. Attack wise several have dropped out.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Mortimer's Bear on November 13, 2023, 09:06:55 AM
just read on twatter that Ezri might be getting a phone call today...

I would be surprised. AFAIK nothing has changed in defence since he named his squad without Stones who naturally plays that position. Attack wise several have dropped out.

Didn't Lewis Dunk pick up an injury with Brighton, or have I imagined that?
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Dave on November 13, 2023, 09:19:55 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F-zampLXcAAKjLo?format=jpg)
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Risso on November 13, 2023, 09:20:56 AM
Nice one Ezri, well deserved.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Joe S on November 13, 2023, 09:23:33 AM
Staggering it's taken this long.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 13, 2023, 09:25:01 AM
Well done Ezri.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: AV84 on November 13, 2023, 09:25:28 AM
He's played nearly every minute for us so far this season. Really stepped up since Mings got injured. It's well deserved.
(Another player to worry about getting injured on international duty though)
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Flamingo Lane on November 13, 2023, 09:27:59 AM
He's become an absolute top class player over the course of the last few months, and this call up is well deserved. The larger part of me though thinks oh no, he'd be better spending the next however many days with us.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Dave P on November 13, 2023, 09:28:50 AM
He's seen Dunk, Gueui, Tomori and Coady get calls up in the past few years before him.  Not including Maguire.  This is the most deserved call up in the history of call ups.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: PeterWithe on November 13, 2023, 09:44:10 AM
I thought he was immense yesterday, could have done better for their goal but overall, superb.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Brend'Watkins on November 13, 2023, 09:48:02 AM
Well deserved call up. Please don’t get injured.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Axl Rose on November 13, 2023, 09:51:36 AM
Well done, Ezri.

Southgate, you're an utter ******, but thank you.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Towser on November 13, 2023, 09:59:52 AM
Happy for them both to come on as sub in the 99th minute just to get the cap
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Nunkin1965 on November 13, 2023, 10:03:03 AM
Well done Ezri Konsa.
So well deserved and but for an inept national manager you would probably have a dozen caps by now as you deserve them.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: DennisHodgetts on November 13, 2023, 10:03:27 AM
I am so chuffed for Ezri, long overdue and I hope he gets a chance and a cap
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 13, 2023, 10:04:02 AM
Happy for them both to come on as sub in the 99th minute just to get the cap

Can understand that, just to close in on Spurs in that table. Pleased for Ezri though, hopefully he gets a chance to show his worth.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: MalcolmP on November 13, 2023, 10:11:57 AM
[Another Dean Smith signing called up for England to go with Mings and Watkins. Deano obviously had an eye for talent and that talent has been fully realised under Emery
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: SamTheMouse on November 13, 2023, 10:14:37 AM
Better late than never, Gareth, you Shergar-faced chump.

Well done Ezri, richly deserved.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Monty on November 13, 2023, 10:16:39 AM
I mean considering one particular new teammate of his it's fucking overdue, but well done to him, thoroughly deserves it.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: brontebilly on November 13, 2023, 10:17:40 AM
Delighted for him.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: paul_e on November 13, 2023, 10:18:09 AM
[Another Dean Smith signing called up for England to go with Mings and Watkins. Deano obviously had an eye for talent and that talent has been fully realised under Emery

I know it's not for England but I think it's fair to add Cash (who was obviously eligible for England) to that list as well.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Pete3206 on November 13, 2023, 10:29:49 AM
About time too Southgate, you massive bell end.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 13, 2023, 10:31:16 AM
Pleased for him.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Stu82 on November 13, 2023, 11:04:10 AM
Overdue and deserved
Don't expect the same level of coaching though at England Ezri.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: darren woolley on November 13, 2023, 11:05:57 AM
I'm pleased for Ezri he really deserves this call up.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on November 13, 2023, 11:11:03 AM
Very much deserved.  His performances this season have gone to another level.  He's always been superb at recovery tackles and blocks, but he's now showing great confidence on the ball too.  Infact, in the first half against AZ I thought he showed just how skilful on the ball he can be.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Bad English on November 13, 2023, 11:18:56 AM
Don't expect the same level of coaching though at England Ezri.
I've often wondered what the players make of the England set-up and how good/bad/mediocre the training and tactical side is. I mean, having won fuck-all for 57 years, it can't be that good, eh?*

When you have Emery drilling you for hours then you're out there with Tea Biscuit and a couple of cones, it must be disconcerting.

*Only joshing.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Somniloquism on November 13, 2023, 11:27:07 AM
You didn't need the only joshing. Players from teams who have won multiple titles / European matches regularly do not turn up for England. Some of that has to be down to team-mates and some down to the coaching from the manager in charge who decides to not allow the player the same style of play they get at the club side. Recent examples are trying to fit Scholes on the left wing, trying to force both Gerrard and Lampard into midfield, and trying Phillips in midfield instead of on the bench.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: eamonn on November 13, 2023, 11:42:25 AM
Does this/his potential capping trigger a further payment to our feeder club, Brentford FC ?
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Brend'Watkins on November 13, 2023, 11:54:30 AM
I don't know eamonn but I do know that the potential capping means we will be just one behind Tottingham in most players from one club representing England.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: London Villan on November 13, 2023, 12:01:37 PM
Being England manager isn't about improving players - in the way Emery has done over the last 12 months.

It's about organising the talents you have into an effective team - which to be fair Southgate has done better than any manager since Sven - but more importantly it's about getting more out of a squad than the sum of its parts - so you beat teams, that on paper, are as good or better than you. This is where Southgate is woeful. Robson and Venables came close - understandable with their football ethos and personality. And in the game today I'd put Emery close to the top of that list of managers that would do that.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 13, 2023, 12:14:54 PM
Better late than never, Gareth, you Shergar-faced chump.

Well done Ezri, richly deserved.

Better play him now in case Portugal make a swoop for him.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 13, 2023, 02:02:15 PM
Notable how Rico Lewis of Man City gets a call up to the full squad, despite having only played about 20 times in the Premier League.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: London Villan on November 13, 2023, 02:14:55 PM
And also how a midfielder at a mid-table club, with little chance of European football, also gets called up after a handful of good performances...
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: OCD on November 13, 2023, 02:34:43 PM
I would rather see players like Palmer and Lewis get called up than the likes of Henderson (semi-retired) and Phillips (all but retired). In order to see the back of players like Henderson and Phillips, younger players need to be given a chance to see if they can step up.

Ward-Prowse should have been called-up too. 9 assists this season from him already. Surprised Anthony Gordon hasn't been called up either.

If Southgate was a little quicker to pick players on form and leave out players who aren't playing or are playing at a lower level, he might be more popular and possibly have a greater chance of winning something.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: SamTheMouse on November 13, 2023, 02:39:24 PM
Don't expect the same level of coaching though at England Ezri.
When you have Emery drilling you for hours then you're out there with Tea Biscuit and a couple of cones, it must be disconcerting.

*gasp*

I'll have you know that the only person who gets drilled for hours by our Unai is Señora Emery, and any rumours to the contrary are malicious hearsay.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 13, 2023, 03:09:40 PM
I would rather see players like Palmer and Lewis get called up than the likes of Henderson (semi-retired) and Phillips (all but retired). In order to see the back of players like Henderson and Phillips, younger players need to be given a chance to see if they can step up.

Ward-Prowse should have been called-up too. 9 assists this season from him already. Surprised Anthony Gordon hasn't been called up either.

If Southgate was a little quicker to pick players on form and leave out players who aren't playing or are playing at a lower level, he might be more popular and possibly have a greater chance of winning something.

I agree but, i was getting at the fact that - 20 league matches in your entire career, but they're for Man City - "In you come". Consistently prove yourself over several seasons at Aston Villa - you might eventually get a look in.

Southgate is the England manager, and that sort of attitude is not, to me, a sign of him doing the full "management" piece - ie how is it good to constantly give this impression that you need to move to one of a handful of clubs to get a chance?
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: OCD on November 13, 2023, 03:12:07 PM
Southgate's full of double standards, that's what's pissed so many people off with him.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Villa Lew on November 13, 2023, 03:30:43 PM
Fully deserved has been superb this season. Well done Ezri.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: TonyD on November 13, 2023, 03:38:27 PM
Southgate's full of double standards, that's what's pissed so many people off with him.
More the case he a shite manager.
I wish he didn’t pick any of our players.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Clampy on November 13, 2023, 04:18:50 PM
Looking back at some of the earlier posts, Paulie was questioning the fee, which at the time did seem steep as he'd only been at Brentford for a year. It's proved an absolute snip. Glad he's got his call up (if he plays him).
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: RamboandBruno on November 13, 2023, 04:27:22 PM
Really pleased for Erzi, he’s a class act and him and Torres are forming a great partnership.
My son is completely chuffed, he’s had a poster of Konsa on his bedroom wall since the Grealish days, his favourite player, centre backs club and all that.

As for Southgate, the fact that Henderson still gets a look in when he’s playing in front of a few hundred people for his league team, sums thecwhole thing up.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: OCD on November 13, 2023, 05:56:51 PM
Southgate has talked before now about the importance of playing at a higher level, meaning the Champions League. But when someone like Henderson does the polar opposite, it makes no difference and he's still picked every time.

Then he tells certain players (Ramsdale recently) that they need regular football if he's going to pick him, while continuing to pick players like Phillips and Maguire when he was being frozen out at United.

At this point Southgate's a charicature of himself.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Monty on November 13, 2023, 06:01:50 PM
It's not that Southgate never picks certain players or never will, it's just that they'll have more hoops to jump through than those he's earmarked, often not based on much, as a favourite.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 13, 2023, 06:20:07 PM
It's not that Southgate never picks certain players or never will, it's just that they'll have more hoops to jump through than those he's earmarked, often not based on much, as a favourite.

A lot of it is based on who they play for.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: IFWaters on November 13, 2023, 06:20:56 PM
Southgate has talked before now about the importance of playing at a higher level, meaning the Champions League. But when someone like Henderson does the polar opposite, it makes no difference and he's still picked every time.

Then he tells certain players (Ramsdale recently) that they need regular football if he's going to pick him, while continuing to pick players like Phillips and Maguire when he was being frozen out at United.

At this point Southgate's a charicature of himself.
I'd say Southgate regularly makes a charcuterie of himself.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 13, 2023, 06:27:08 PM
Southgate has talked before now about the importance of playing at a higher level, meaning the Champions League. But when someone like Henderson does the polar opposite, it makes no difference and he's still picked every time.

Then he tells certain players (Ramsdale recently) that they need regular football if he's going to pick him, while continuing to pick players like Phillips and Maguire when he was being frozen out at United.

At this point Southgate's a charicature of himself.

I'd say Southgate regularly makes a charcuterie of himself.

His goose isn't cooked yet.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Monty on November 13, 2023, 06:35:20 PM
It's not that Southgate never picks certain players or never will, it's just that they'll have more hoops to jump through than those he's earmarked, often not based on much, as a favourite.

A lot of it is based on who they play for.

Not all, but yes, a lot. Eze, in my view, has done more to get into a squad than Lewis.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: boutrosboutrosgnarly on November 13, 2023, 09:22:45 PM
Notable how Rico Lewis of Man City gets a call up to the full squad, despite having only played about 20 times in the Premier League.
No doubt its due to my own ignorance as I don't take much interest in other teams unless we are playing them, bit I have never heard of Rico Lewis.Anyway congrats Ezri fully deserved.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 13, 2023, 11:07:09 PM
It's not that Southgate never picks certain players or never will, it's just that they'll have more hoops to jump through than those he's earmarked, often not based on much, as a favourite.

A lot of it is based on who they play for.

Not all, but yes, a lot. Eze, in my view, has done more to get into a squad than Lewis.

That’s the shit that pisses people off. What are the chances however good he is, does Lewis get into the full England squad if he played for Brentford, Wolves, us etc. It’s zero. Southgate has fully bought into he has played or plays for Man City so must be great. It’s pathetic and it’s transparent. Eze has been excellent for a while, much like Konsa and doesn’t get a look.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: rooboy316 on November 14, 2023, 02:25:47 AM
Southgate has talked before now about the importance of playing at a higher level, meaning the Champions League. But when someone like Henderson does the polar opposite, it makes no difference and he's still picked every time.

Then he tells certain players (Ramsdale recently) that they need regular football if he's going to pick him, while continuing to pick players like Phillips and Maguire when he was being frozen out at United.

At this point Southgate's a charicature of himself.

I'd say Southgate regularly makes a charcuterie of himself.

His goose isn't cooked yet.

He really can be a silly sausage sometimes.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Smithy on November 14, 2023, 07:25:39 AM
Southgate has really given himself an issue next summer.  We've got arguably the two best England players now absolutely killing it in Germany and Spain respectively, plus the strength of the Premier League. There is absolutely no reason why an England squad shouldn't be winning tournaments.  If he's not picking good enough players, or not playing to their strengths, then that's entirely on him.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Dave on November 14, 2023, 08:50:07 AM
There is absolutely no reason why an England squad shouldn't be winning tournaments

France having a better squad than England is one such reason. But sure, a meek quarter-final exit to Spain or Belgium would definitely be a failure this time. A narrow defeat to France in the final though would be pretty much par.

Southgate will be gone after this tournament either way though in my opinion.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: pablo_picasso on November 14, 2023, 11:57:34 AM
About time he got the call up. Wonder if he will get any minutes?
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: tomd2103 on November 14, 2023, 12:01:55 PM
There is absolutely no reason why an England squad shouldn't be winning tournaments

France having a better squad than England is one such reason. But sure, a meek quarter-final exit to Spain or Belgium would definitely be a failure this time. A narrow defeat to France in the final though would be pretty much par.

Southgate will be gone after this tournament either way though in my opinion.

Definitely.  Think the timing will work with Eddie Howe being sacked at Newcastle and taking over after the Euros.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: AV84 on November 14, 2023, 12:56:32 PM
Colwill has pulled out of the squad with injury now too. Maguire and TAA training in the gym separate to the squad (injury?).

 Small chance Konsa might actually see some action now?
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Mister E on November 14, 2023, 01:24:29 PM
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Southgate will be gone after this tournament either way though in my opinion.
nailed on for Crystal Palace, I would think.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Hookeysmith on November 14, 2023, 03:21:49 PM
As someone said on the radio a while ago. If we win anything at National level it will be in spite of him not because of him.

Both recent "near" misses were lost due to his lack of tactics and bottle.

Palace would be ideal as they are as dull and as unimaginative as he is
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 14, 2023, 04:14:07 PM
As someone said on the radio a while ago. If we win anything at National level it will be in spite of him not because of him.

Both recent "near" misses were lost due to his lack of tactics and bottle.

Palace would be ideal as they are as dull and as unimaginative as he is

I’m no great lover of Southgate, but that’s a pretty unbalanced position to take. So if we win it’s in spite of him, but if we don’t I’m sure it’ll be down to him. I think he’s lost his way in terms of what his principles were a bit, but he’s done a big job in turning England around. They were, and had been, a basket case when he came in. There were still a lot of talented players in the previous era, but he improved the culture. It’s a bit ridiculous not to acknowledge he’s achieved a fair bit.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Dave on November 14, 2023, 04:16:07 PM
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Southgate will be gone after this tournament either way though in my opinion.
nailed on for Crystal Palace, I would think.

Wouldn't surprise me if he skipped club management and moved into some sort of senior FA role.

He definitely should, as while he's clearly very good at the pastoral stuff that you need at international football he'd be ripped apart in club football.

If he does give it a go though, Palace would be the obvious as you've said. Reckon he'd last about four months.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: AV82EC on November 14, 2023, 04:21:31 PM
Perception is everything though.

He has turned the culture around by creating more of a “club culture” in the squad. The trouble is he’s now transformed that into a clique by continually picking players who either aren’t playing regularly or playing in sub standard football. I admire his loyalty to payers who haven’t let him down previously but he’s created a massive rod for his own back. The ultimate issue though is he’s just not a good enough coach and the brains trust he has around him doesn’t lead me to believe we’re going to be troubling the trophy engravers anytime soon.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: pablo_picasso on November 14, 2023, 04:24:17 PM
Kozra comes across as a very softly spoken young man in his England interview on Sky Sports News...
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Drummond on November 14, 2023, 04:25:41 PM
Aston Villa defender Ezri Konsa on getting a first England call up: "Every since I was a little kid, I've wanted to play for England so I'm grateful for the opportunity.

"I knew I had a lot to work on in my game. Only recently, in the last two seasons, we've started to excel with Aston Villa and that part of it has helped me to become the player I am today.

"I knew my time would come but it was just a matter of when. I was patient and me and my family are really happy.

"I always believe in myself and always back myself. I'm enjoying myself at the moment and I always say the rest will take care of itself. I'm really happy now."

Aston Villa defender Ezri Konsa on being called a "quiet leader" by former club manager Dean Smith: "I'm a bit quiet, but that's something I've wanted to work on for a while. Playing alongside Tyrone Mings, he was the leader, but he's not available for the rest of the season, so I'm trying and learning.

On rumours that he could represent Portugal instead: "I do have Portuguese in me, but was nothing I was trying to pursue. Born here, always wanted to play for England.

On playing alongside the England regulars: "There's a lot of world class players here, I want to learn and improve, that's something I can definitely do here."

Aston Villa defender Ezri Konsa on targeting a spot at Euro 2024: "That's every player's target, to play in major tournaments and represent your country.

"That's definitely something on my mind and something I want to do."

Aston Villa defender Ezri Konsa on praise from former England defender John Terry: "It means a lot coming from a legend like John Terry. I worked with him for two years and he really helped my game. I asked a lot of questions on how he maintained playing at a high level for such a long time and I definitely took that advice on and it has helped me become the player I am today. He has been in touch and it was a nice little message.

"He said congratulations, enjoy it and be yourself."

Aston Villa defender Ezri Konsa on what the call up means for his family: "It means a lot to them. It wasn't easy growing up in Newham, it was tough, but having a big brother really helped me.

"He kept me grounded and helped me stay humble. I have my own little family now so I'm a family man and that's really important."

Aston Villa defender Ezri Konsa on the players he admired growing up: "John Terry, Rio Ferdinand. They were the main two. I've always wanted to be a defender, watching the Premier League with my dad and brother. They were leaders, and played for their country. That was always something I wanted to do."

On what he has learned under Villa manager Unai Emery: "His CV speaks for itself, when we heard he was coming we were really excited, knew I would develop under him. He has turned me into a man, into a leader. On the ball, being in the right positions, believing in myself and helping others around me."

Aston Villa defender Ezri Konsa on a good start to the season at club level: "It's really exciting, we're really enjoying football at the moment.

"Personally, I'm enjoying playing football at the moment and want to continue doing that."

Aston Villa defender Ezri Konsa on his first experience of the camp: "I was smiling because it's a big moment for me. I'm just excited for this week and to experience a game with my national team.

"I was driving home after my game on Sunday and me and the Mrs were talking about having a little break and going away - two minutes later I got the call.

"It was a weird feeling, it didn't really sink in until I got home."

Are you expecting to get minutes this week?: "I'm not sure, that's down to the gaffer. I just want to train well and see what happens."

Aston Villa defender Ezri Konsa on his development : "At Charlton I developed a lot, great players and coaches around me. My time at Charlton, it really helped me, I had a lot of coaches who wanted to take me to the next level.

"I was at Brentford with Dean Smith, then he took me to Villa and I haven't looked back."

Aston Villa defender Ezri Konsa on his relationship with club centre-back partner Tyrone Mings:"Not much he has said to me, we have always been close. Watching him in training and matchdays, the way he guides players, everyone is fond of him, a shame has cannot play for the rest of the season.

"The boss at Villa has really demanded that [leadership] of me, it's in my head for games and on a weekly basis on the training pitch."

Aston Villa defender Ezri Konsa on what he needs to do to be in the Euro 2024 squad: "I just need to keep doing what I'm doing and stay consistent, hopefully that will get me my chance."

Aston Villa defender Ezri Konsa on improvements in his game: "When the boss came in, that's how he wanted us to play.

"I've tried to adapt to his style and I think I'm doing pretty well.

"I watch teams like Man City and Arsenal, who play great football, and that's something I wanted to be able to do at Villa."

Aston Villa defender Ezri Konsa on any messages from club-mates Tyrone Mings and Ollie Watkins: "He [Mings] said congratulations and told me to enjoy it but Ollie didn't say anything.

"[Watkins] been selected a few times and he deserves it. I'm really happy for him."



Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Bad English on November 14, 2023, 09:19:46 PM
Waiting for the Meaning Villa badge torn asunder special about Ollie Watkins' failure to WhatsApp Konsa about his call-up
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Hookeysmith on November 14, 2023, 09:44:21 PM
As someone said on the radio a while ago. If we win anything at National level it will be in spite of him not because of him.

Both recent "near" misses were lost due to his lack of tactics and bottle.

Palace would be ideal as they are as dull and as unimaginative as he is

I’m no great lover of Southgate, but that’s a pretty unbalanced position to take. So if we win it’s in spite of him, but if we don’t I’m sure it’ll be down to him. I think he’s lost his way in terms of what his principles were a bit, but he’s done a big job in turning England around. They were, and had been, a basket case when he came in. There were still a lot of talented players in the previous era, but he improved the culture. It’s a bit ridiculous not to acknowledge he’s achieved a fair bit.

He has the best crop of players available to him than any manager has had but his tactics are awful and his limitations as a coach are easily found out the minute he comes up against any experienced coach. Many managers have beaten minnows before.
He now has the habit of talking total bollocks albeit eloquently
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: pablo_picasso on November 14, 2023, 10:32:39 PM
Waiting for the Meaning Villa badge torn asunder special about Ollie Watkins' failure to WhatsApp Konsa about his call-up

Probably straight after the "Konsa to ManU" article they are probably rushing to pump out...
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: LeeB on November 14, 2023, 10:36:34 PM
"Harry Maguire is said to be so impressed with Konsa in England training that he's recommended him to Ten Hag as his own replacement"

Source: Football Shaunryder.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Risso on November 14, 2023, 10:53:01 PM
They were talking about Ezri on Talksport as I was driving back from football. Hugh Woozencroft the presenter said he was impressed with him and would like to see him starting for England.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 16, 2023, 12:57:19 AM
Malta home Friday and North Macedonia away Monday.
I think both he and Watkins should be awarded minutes if not starts v Malta.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Risso on November 16, 2023, 07:40:46 AM
37, and the frame, Footy-Villa.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: dcdavecollett on November 16, 2023, 06:22:01 PM
Ha! You noticed too!!
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: paul_e on November 16, 2023, 07:11:26 PM
Ha! You noticed too!!

It's hard to miss that many threads being updated in a matter of minutes, especially when there's a perfectly decent international football thread where it could all have been combined for the people that care about it. For most on here (I suspect) the only news from these breaks that they care about is:

Did they play?
Did they score/assist/clean sheet?
Are they injured?

First call up or a major recall probably is noteworthy as well but going on every thread and listing the opposition just doesn't interest many people, which is why it barely got commented on in any of the threads.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on November 16, 2023, 07:22:27 PM
That's what I thought! Every thread contaminated......
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Risso on November 16, 2023, 07:57:55 PM
Ha! You noticed too!!

It's hard to miss that many threads being updated in a matter of minutes, especially when there's a perfectly decent international football thread where it could all have been combined for the people that care about it. For most on here (I suspect) the only news from these breaks that they care about is:

Did they play?
Did they score/assist/clean sheet?
Are they injured?

First call up or a major recall probably is noteworthy as well but going on every thread and listing the opposition just doesn't interest many people, which is why it barely got commented on in any of the threads.

He's seen this on the OS:

https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2023/november/15/International-Diary--November/

and then updated every single thread.

Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 16, 2023, 08:26:37 PM
Ha! You noticed too!!

It's hard to miss that many threads being updated in a matter of minutes, especially when there's a perfectly decent international football thread where it could all have been combined for the people that care about it. For most on here (I suspect) the only news from these breaks that they care about is:

Did they play?
Did they score/assist/clean sheet?
Are they injured?

First call up or a major recall probably is noteworthy as well but going on every thread and listing the opposition just doesn't interest many people, which is why it barely got commented on in any of the threads.

He's seen this on the OS:

https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2023/november/15/International-Diary--November/

and then updated every single thread.

I must have said it a thousand times. I'm doing player-specific so that it focuses on a certain player and the thread is there to simply go to
It gets lost otherwise and surely a player thread is for that particular player.

Sharing the days, games, and dates of each player's international matches was intended to be beneficial and keep us all aware of when each of those away on international duties are involved.
I was merely attempting to bring to attention and didn't think it would only just be helpful for me but hoped it would be for others.

I don't know anymore I can't ever seen to do anything right and everyone gets annoyed! I didn't mean to annoy!

Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on November 16, 2023, 08:29:27 PM
And still never take the hint!
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Drummond on November 16, 2023, 11:32:06 PM
Ha! You noticed too!!

It's hard to miss that many threads being updated in a matter of minutes, especially when there's a perfectly decent international football thread where it could all have been combined for the people that care about it. For most on here (I suspect) the only news from these breaks that they care about is:

Did they play?
Did they score/assist/clean sheet?
Are they injured?

First call up or a major recall probably is noteworthy as well but going on every thread and listing the opposition just doesn't interest many people, which is why it barely got commented on in any of the threads.

He's seen this on the OS:

https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2023/november/15/International-Diary--November/

and then updated every single thread.

I must have said it a thousand times. I'm doing player-specific so that it focuses on a certain player and the thread is there to simply go to
It gets lost otherwise and surely a player thread is for that particular player.

Sharing the days, games, and dates of each player's international matches was intended to be beneficial and keep us all aware of when each of those away on international duties are involved.
I was merely attempting to bring to attention and didn't think it would only just be helpful for me but hoped it would be for others.

I don't know anymore I can't ever seen to do anything right and everyone gets annoyed! I didn't mean to annoy!

People don't need the help.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 16, 2023, 11:51:34 PM
It is very annoying.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Edvard Remberg on November 17, 2023, 07:37:35 AM
I don't know,  he has made Google redundant
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 21, 2023, 12:47:39 AM
So Ezri Konsa didn’t get a single minute yet this fucking boner got two games.

https://x.com/justin_avfc_/status/1726737122357297549?s=46
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: dcdavecollett on November 21, 2023, 12:49:48 AM
"Thanks for playing so well for your club, travelling and training, Ezri. Now fuck off home."
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Hookeysmith on November 21, 2023, 01:20:51 AM
At least he did not get Injured
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: London Villan on November 21, 2023, 05:54:10 AM
Glad he didnt get injured, but what was the point in picking him. Southgate might need him at some point in the next 9 month, so any sensible manager would have given him at least 30mins after picking him.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 21, 2023, 08:30:01 AM
Glad he didnt get injured, but what was the point in picking him. Southgate might need him at some point in the next 9 month, so any sensible manager would have given him at least 30mins after picking him.
Because Southgate is a colossal twat?
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Clark W Griswold on November 21, 2023, 11:12:02 AM
I think he wanted him along for 'the experience of being amongst the squad'. He's come out with similar bollocks before but when you consider that Konsa isn't a kid, he's got loads of experience for his age and even in Europe now, he did start an 18 year old (Man City player surprise), we'd already qualified anyway and were playing a mediocre team and he could have played instead of that colossal twat Maguire (we'll never win anything whilst he's in the team), then it beggars belief that he didn't get at least half an hour.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Bully2345 on November 21, 2023, 11:54:20 AM
For a start, Konsa was a late replacement so minutes were already unlikely.

Also, looking at Dunk and Tomori in recent history, their first call ups also didn't give them any game time and their first caps came in subsequent international breaks in which there were friendlies so the March 2024 break looks more likely for Konsa to get a cap if he can leapfrog a couple or if there are injuries to others. 

Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: London Villan on November 21, 2023, 01:43:29 PM
I hope he tells them they won't kick a ball when called up for the first time...
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Bully2345 on November 21, 2023, 01:59:45 PM
I hope he tells them they won't kick a ball when called up for the first time...

Why would he? This is elite football not Dave Average paying a tenner a week and driving across the region to sit on the bench against the Dog and Duck
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: dcdavecollett on November 23, 2023, 02:24:27 AM
A shame a player in prime form wasn't picked in his best position in favour of a clod being played out of position.

Still, I suppose Southgate's a genius, like Pep.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: nigel on December 07, 2023, 08:32:44 AM
F*cking immense.
He is another with great composure.
He must have massive pockets to hold all those forwards.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Footy-Vill on December 07, 2023, 10:23:46 AM
Played his role specifically and understood instructions in the defence perfectly.  Literally had Foden one time glide away from him in first half but like the central defenders was brilliant in his play on the ball, positionally and discipline.
Excellent choice by Emery at right back. Fair play to Konsa yesterday . Outstanding.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: DennisHodgetts on December 07, 2023, 10:42:47 AM
Southgate's next excuse will be that Konsa is a RB and he has loads of competition there!
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Flamingo Lane on December 07, 2023, 11:01:11 AM
I thought his control of the ball out wide, however it came to him, was outstanding, especially noticeable in the second half.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: AV84 on December 07, 2023, 12:36:09 PM
I mentioned this in the match thread, but with Konsa actually being good at RB now, and Carlos building up a relationship with Torres, is there any chance we don't sign a specialist RB in January?

Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: paul_e on December 07, 2023, 01:08:53 PM
I mentioned this in the match thread, but with Konsa actually being good at RB now, and Carlos building up a relationship with Torres, is there any chance we don't sign a specialist RB in January?

All along my thinking on this comes down to what Emery thinks of Kesler. If he thinks this year in the championship might be enough for KKH to come back and challenge then I can see why he'd make do for a year (and the same goes for Iroegbunam and Sinisalo). All through his career Emery has done a great job of creating space for youngsters to earn their place in his squad and I can't help but think that some of the decisions we see as slightly strange are because we're not looking as long-term as he is.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: OCD on December 07, 2023, 01:40:32 PM
I think Kessler would have to oust Cash because they're both attack-minded right backs. Konsa gives him the option of someone in that position who's immense in one-on-ones, and  much more solid defensively. And from what I know of Villarreal, he likes having a centre back who plays at right back.

If Carlos-Pau becomes a first choice pairing, with Konsa as an option for full-back and we don't bring in a right back, then you would think we will need cover for Carlos, or someone else who could play either role.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: dave shelley on December 07, 2023, 01:57:57 PM
Ezri Konsa is very quickly developing into a great player, and a versatile one at that.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Risso on December 07, 2023, 02:38:29 PM
It seems to me that our promising kids are going to be used more for FFP purposes than actual game time, unless any of them prove to be exceptional. Philogene did really well in pre-season, and had made arguably the strongest case for inclusion in the squad this season, but was still sold on.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 07, 2023, 03:01:50 PM
Yeh that’s probably it. We will do what Man City, Chelsea etc do. Get stupid money from top kids. Only a few ever make it anyway. May as well hoover up the best of them in the area and use them to strengthen our overall financial position. And once in a while a JJ arrives or a Jack.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: eamonn on December 07, 2023, 03:13:30 PM
I cannot get over some of Konsa's footwork in recent games. The technique, distribution...compare and contrast to under Gerrard when his dribbling would make a toddler wince. And he would always play it square to Ty, abdicating responsibility for being progressive.

Now he can de-fend, he can off-end, he doesn't need to up-end cos of his positioning and physical strength. The man must be part of God's plan - McGrath is surely looking-on with admiration (well I know he is, he tweeted his pride in the club last night).
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: OCD on December 07, 2023, 03:14:27 PM
The bar's being raised all the time, so it's becoming harder to break into the team for a young player. City's system probably has more talent coming through than ours, and only the likes of Foden and Lewis have broken through. The others have had to move on. We'll be the same in that regard.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 07, 2023, 03:41:08 PM
Man City and Chelsea have just been doing it for longer and it’s been a very defined policy of theirs. Make sense given how and how much they spend on new players. I want us to cast our net far and wide to all parts of the world. One of the reasons we’re are now setting up club affiliations so that we can find talent in different regions. It’s so positive what is happening because we are witnessing the formation of a star. Hopefully in a few years time, competing at the top end of the table, winning some competitions, operating as a CL club or at minimum Europa we can see us really stabilizing into a top European power again.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 07, 2023, 05:37:16 PM
https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1732755027704402199  8)
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: AV84 on December 07, 2023, 05:39:28 PM
https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1732755027704402199  8)

That looks like a "oh thank God I'm f**king exhausted!" reaction.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 07, 2023, 05:43:29 PM
https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1732755027704402199  8)

That looks like a "oh thank God I'm f**king exhausted!" reaction.

It does a bit tbf.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Ian. on December 07, 2023, 06:18:25 PM
I cannot get over some of Konsa's footwork in recent games. The technique, distribution...compare and contrast to under Gerrard when his dribbling would make a toddler wince. And he would always play it square to Ty, abdicating responsibility for being progressive.

Now he can de-fend, he can off-end, he doesn't need to up-end cos of his positioning and physical strength. The man must be part of God's plan - McGrath is surely looking-on with admiration (well I know he is, he tweeted his pride in the club last night).

It’s really quite remarkable and I completely agree. I had seriously thought he had hit his ceiling. Where as with Dougie and Bailey and you could see they are extremely technically gifted, their form is not really a surprise, even though Bailey now looks world class, where as I often always believed Dougie had it in him.

Konsa always was a very good defender but what he has added to his game is incredible and now looks completely composed and as comfortable on the ball as Torres.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: VILLA MOLE on December 07, 2023, 06:28:20 PM
https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1732755027704402199  8)

That looks like a "oh thank God I'm f**king exhausted!" reaction.

It does a bit tbf.

that is a brilliant reaction
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Smithy on December 07, 2023, 07:36:41 PM
I cannot get over some of Konsa's footwork in recent games. The technique, distribution...compare and contrast to under Gerrard when his dribbling would make a toddler wince. And he would always play it square to Ty, abdicating responsibility for being progressive.

Now he can de-fend, he can off-end, he doesn't need to up-end cos of his positioning and physical strength. The man must be part of God's plan - McGrath is surely looking-on with admiration (well I know he is, he tweeted his pride in the club last night).

It’s really quite remarkable and I completely agree. I had seriously thought he had hit his ceiling. Where as with Dougie and Bailey and you could see they are extremely technically gifted, their form is not really a surprise, even though Bailey now looks world class, where as I often always believed Dougie had it in him.

Konsa always was a very good defender but what he has added to his game is incredible and now looks completely composed and as comfortable on the ball as Torres.

It's strange, because when we bought him, he was a technical, ball-playing centre-half, but it was seemingly coached out of him for a "safety first" approach and he generally regressed after his first 18-24 months with us. But this season, he's been brilliant.  He is defensively excellent, but now once again adding ball-playing to his repertoire.  It's so strange to see a back four so entirely comfortable with the ball at their feet.  That back four is probably better on the ball than most of the premier league midfields we had in the years before relegation.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: VILLA MOLE on December 07, 2023, 07:38:45 PM
The times he now comes driving out with the ball
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Somniloquism on December 07, 2023, 10:26:43 PM
https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1732755027704402199  8)

That looks like a "oh thank God I'm f**king exhausted!" reaction.

It does a bit tbf.

that is a brilliant reaction

Also telling that all our defenders running to the half way line ready for the high line if needed, and barely a Citeh player in sight apart from a slow walking Ludo who would have been well offside.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: AV84 on December 07, 2023, 10:29:51 PM
A video popped up on YouTube of Jacob Ramsey playing some game/interview thing, and he was asked something about the defenders and he said about how Konsa is so good on the ball and the perfect kind of player for playing the way Emery wants, out from the back.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Chap on December 07, 2023, 11:14:00 PM
The ‘Franz Beckenbauer’ of Villa ?😁
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: rooboy316 on December 07, 2023, 11:47:26 PM
Might make the CB juggle a bit easier next year when Mings is back, if Konsa can get a few games at RB. He's improved a lot in that position, but needs to continue to do so to be more than a stop gap.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: KevinGage on February 05, 2024, 09:21:22 PM
Injury worse than first feared.

Standard.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: SamTheMouse on February 05, 2024, 09:24:50 PM
You have GOT to be fucking kidding me.

Seriously, if they keep banging on about the Saudis and Spurs supposedly having bad luck on the injury front, I'm going to steal a nuclear missile and drop it on Sky HQ.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: VillaTim on February 05, 2024, 09:26:19 PM
Injury worse than first feared.

Standard.
Says who
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 05, 2024, 09:27:24 PM
Matt Law of the Telegraph. https://twitter.com/Matt_Law_DT/status/1754613281375846891
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: villadelph on February 05, 2024, 09:27:44 PM
There's no f'ing way.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: KevinGage on February 05, 2024, 09:27:53 PM



Quote

Aston Villa fear Ezri Konsa (http://Aston Villa fear https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2024/02/05/aston-villa-ezri-konsa-injury-news-fears-knee-spell) could be out for significant period with knee injury


Aston Villa are sweating on the fitness of Ezri Konsa amid fears that the knee injury he suffered against Sheffield United could keep him out for a significant period.

Konsa will almost certainly miss Villa’s next two games against Chelsea in the FA Cup on Wednesday night and Manchester United in the Premier League on Sunday.

But the defender could be out for even longer, possibly over a month, if Villa’s worst fears are confirmed following more tests and assessments which are due to take place.

That would be a huge blow to Villa’s hopes of qualifying for the Champions League, although Konsa is still being assessed and there remains the possibility that the club’s worst fears are not realised.

Head coach Unai Emery will confirm the nature of Konsa’s injury on Tuesday, ahead of Wednesday night’s FA Cup fourth-round replay against Chelsea.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: eamonn on February 05, 2024, 09:34:12 PM
When's Pau back?
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Dave on February 05, 2024, 09:34:26 PM
I just don't know how Spurs cope with all these injuries.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: caster troy on February 05, 2024, 09:36:28 PM
Thats it man. Game over man. We're f'cked.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: SamTheMouse on February 05, 2024, 09:36:37 PM
When's Pau back?

The year 3650, just in time for our cup game against Proxima fucking Centauri.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 05, 2024, 09:37:33 PM
Fuck sake. Fucking cursed. Well let’s hope that Cash, Carlos, Lenglet and Moreno is enough for Chelsea and we get Pau back for the weekend. But yeh, obviously Spurs have it worse. As we kept getting told.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 05, 2024, 09:40:01 PM
Of course.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 05, 2024, 09:40:08 PM
Fuck sake. Fucking cursed. Well let’s hope that Cash, Carlos, Lenglet and Moreno is enough for Chelsea and we get Pau back for the weekend.

At least Lisandro Martinez will be missing for Yanited, as he's out for a couple of months.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: eamonn on February 05, 2024, 09:42:28 PM
Cash Carlos Lenglet Moreno...its a bog-standard back four. Needs someone good to corral them.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Flamingo Lane on February 05, 2024, 09:45:50 PM
Thought it was bad at the time. As it's a knee injury, and if it's more than a month, I'd fear longer.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Risso on February 05, 2024, 09:48:37 PM
If they think it might be a month, plan for two.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 05, 2024, 09:49:22 PM
I’ll go next season. Get well soon Ezri.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: KevinGage on February 05, 2024, 09:51:46 PM
Cash Carlos Lenglet Moreno...its a bog-standard back four. Needs someone good to corral them.

Carlos has the corraling in him, I reckon.

Wasn't he the captain at Sevilla?  It's the passing and general brainfarts that might be the issue there.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Gareth on February 05, 2024, 09:53:12 PM
Lucky Chambers didn’t go, him & Bogarde will be next off the rank to play right side of Carlos gets injured / banned
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Paul.S on February 05, 2024, 09:53:37 PM
Our only option off the bench on Wednesday will be Chambers. Can Rogers play centre half?
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 05, 2024, 09:55:16 PM
If they think it might be a month, plan for two at least.

Fixed
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 05, 2024, 10:01:53 PM
FFS.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on February 05, 2024, 10:04:24 PM
Our only option off the bench on Wednesday will be Chambers. Can Rogers play centre half?

I’m sure Rogers said in one of his interviews that he’ll play anywhere so we have got cover at centre half…..
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: LeonW on February 05, 2024, 10:04:36 PM
Emery is really going to have pull a rabbit out of the hat to make our defence solid without Konsa, Mings, Torres and Digne.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Risso on February 05, 2024, 10:05:16 PM
Incidentally, when's Digne back? That was going to be 3 weeks, and has now been 6.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on February 05, 2024, 10:05:29 PM
Kamara at the back and a baptism of fire for Tim?
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Ian. on February 05, 2024, 10:05:33 PM
Bollocks.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Paul.S on February 05, 2024, 10:16:02 PM
Our only option off the bench on Wednesday will be Chambers. Can Rogers play centre half?

I’m sure Rogers said in one of his interviews that he’ll play anywhere so we have got cover at centre half…..

I bet he’s regretting that because I’d rather have him there than Chambers.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Goldie.7 on February 05, 2024, 10:16:49 PM
Depressing.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 05, 2024, 10:16:52 PM
Cash Carlos Lenglet Moreno...its a bog-standard back four. Needs someone good to corral them.

Hopefully we'll be O.K.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: aldridgeboy on February 05, 2024, 10:21:13 PM
Fuck our injury luck
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on February 05, 2024, 10:24:43 PM
We’re going to miss his recovery pace so much.  Let’s hope it’s not as bad as they fear.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on February 05, 2024, 10:31:48 PM
Our only option off the bench on Wednesday will be Chambers. Can Rogers play centre half?

Isn't Kortney Hause back in training?
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Legion on February 05, 2024, 10:33:03 PM
Bugger.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: VillaTim on February 05, 2024, 10:36:27 PM
Our only option off the bench on Wednesday will be Chambers. Can Rogers play centre half?

Isn't Kortney Hause back in training?
I'm sure he was
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 05, 2024, 10:43:27 PM
Hause hasn't played a game for anyone for over a year, and without checking I don't think we named him in our squad so unless we did he can't play anyway.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 05, 2024, 10:45:51 PM
I hope Josh Feeney hasn’t taken out a long term let in Spain.

Fucking hell.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Legion on February 05, 2024, 10:46:57 PM
Hause hasn't played a game for anyone for over a year, and without checking I don't think we named him in our squad so unless we did he can't play anyway.

I'm pretty sure we didn't.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Gareth on February 05, 2024, 10:48:42 PM
The 25 man squad is updated after transfer window, guess sometime this week…Traore & Dendonker have gone from the original squad….Gauci will replace one, not sure if Roger’s qualifies as u21 or has to be part of 25.

Not that I’d expect to see Hause in there
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 05, 2024, 11:01:22 PM
Mings: likely out for season
Buendia: likely out for season
Torres: out for 2 months and counting
Konsa: out for a month it appears
Tielemans: has been out for over a month
Digne: has been out for a month and counting
Moreno: was out for 3+ months
Ramsey: was out for 4 months
Duran: seemingly out for 2 months

But…but…Spurs
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Risso on February 05, 2024, 11:03:35 PM
It’s been 6 weeks for Digne
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 05, 2024, 11:05:06 PM
While he probably wouldn't have played much, Hause is at 15 months. But he is our player so was probably expected to miss 1 game originally.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Villafirst on February 05, 2024, 11:17:07 PM
Mings: likely out for season
Buendia: likely out for season
Torres: out for 2 months and counting
Konsa: out for a month it appears
Tielemans: has been out for over a month
Digne: has been out for a month and counting
Moreno: was out for 3+ months
Ramsey: was out for 4 months
Duran: seemingly out for 2 months

But…but…Spurs

Torres is back in training according to UE. We have had some bad luck this season with injuries.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 05, 2024, 11:18:45 PM
Hasn’t Torres been close to a return for about a month and he never even makes the bench.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 05, 2024, 11:19:50 PM
It’s been 6 weeks for Digne

Whatever it is, it’s fucking miserable. How Emery has managed to get this group to 4th plus the cup runs is beyond remarkable.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: VillaTim on February 05, 2024, 11:30:52 PM
Mings: likely out for season
Buendia: likely out for season
Torres: out for 2 months and counting
Konsa: out for a month it appears
Tielemans: has been out for over a month
Digne: has been out for a month and counting
Moreno: was out for 3+ months
Ramsey: was out for 4 months
Duran: seemingly out for 2 months

But…but…Spurs
Don't forget Zaniolo
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Gareth on February 05, 2024, 11:42:22 PM
Mings: likely out for season
Buendia: likely out for season
Torres: out for 2 months and counting
Konsa: out for a month it appears
Tielemans: has been out for over a month
Digne: has been out for a month and counting
Moreno: was out for 3+ months
Ramsey: was out for 4 months
Duran: seemingly out for 2 months

But…but…Spurs

Difference is our injuries are all first teamers, half of theirs were squad players
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 05, 2024, 11:43:58 PM
Mings: likely out for season
Buendia: likely out for season
Torres: out for 2 months and counting
Konsa: out for a month it appears
Tielemans: has been out for over a month
Digne: has been out for a month and counting
Moreno: was out for 3+ months
Ramsey: was out for 4 months
Duran: seemingly out for 2 months

But…but…Spurs
Don't forget Zaniolo

Ah yes so not all doom and gloom then.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on February 06, 2024, 12:24:43 AM
The 25 man squad is updated after transfer window, guess sometime this week…Traore & Dendonker have gone from the original squad….Gauci will replace one, not sure if Roger’s qualifies as u21 or has to be part of 25.

Not that I’d expect to see Hause in there

We only named 23 players originally:

Aston Villa 25-man squad: Martinez*, Olsen, Cash*, Carlos, Konsa*, Mings*, Lenglet, Digne, Torres, Moreno, Chambers*, Luiz, Kamara, McGinn, Tielemans, Traore, Buendia, Diaby, Zaniolo, Bailey, Dendoncker, Ramsey*, Watkins*.

*Home Grown players

Duran, Iroegbunam, Kesler-Hayden, Kellyman and the other youth players don't count towards the 25.

So with Traore and Dendoncker replaced by Gauci and Rogers; we'd still have Hause room.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Mister E on February 06, 2024, 07:25:38 AM
The 25 man squad is updated after transfer window, guess sometime this week…Traore & Dendonker have gone from the original squad….Gauci will replace one, not sure if Roger’s qualifies as u21 or has to be part of 25.

Not that I’d expect to see Hause in there

We only named 23 players originally:

Aston Villa 25-man squad: Martinez*, Olsen, Cash*, Carlos, Konsa*, Mings*, Lenglet, Digne, Torres, Moreno, Chambers*, Luiz, Kamara, McGinn, Tielemans, Traore, Buendia, Diaby, Zaniolo, Bailey, Dendoncker, Ramsey*, Watkins*.

*Home Grown players

Duran, Iroegbunam, Kesler-Hayden, Kellyman and the other youth players don't count towards the 25.

So with Traore and Dendoncker replaced by Gauci and Rogers; we'd still have Hause room.
I presume Chambers will get a game or two, then.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on February 06, 2024, 08:43:34 AM
I don't think we have a ridiculous amount of games over the next few weeks, so should be able to cope if Torres returns soon.  I think that Konsa's pace was vital to our high line though and we'll miss that.  I wonder if he'll ask Cash to play deeper than normal as some cover.  Possibly Kamara too.

The squad is creaking now though.  1 fit right-back & leftback, two fit centrebacks and 1 fit striker (I'm excluding Chambers and KKH).  Any more injuries in these positions and there's a significant drop off in quality / compromise in tactics.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: eamonn on February 06, 2024, 08:45:02 AM
Mings: likely out for season
Buendia: likely out for season
Torres: out for 2 months and counting
Konsa: out for a month it appears
Tielemans: has been out for over a month
Digne: has been out for a month and counting
Moreno: was out for 3+ months
Ramsey: was out for 4 months
Duran: seemingly out for 2 months

But…but…Spurs
Don't forget Zaniolo

I wish we would.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: algy on February 06, 2024, 09:55:20 AM
While he probably wouldn't have played much, Hause is at 15 months. But he is our player so was probably expected to miss 1 game originally.
"Bit of a sniffle on Monday afternoon, should be back in training on Thursday"
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: dave shelley on February 06, 2024, 10:36:12 AM
Despite the bukkakefest over Guardiola, Klopp or Arteta who the media feels worthy of it at seasons end, there will only be one real manager of the year.  To have us where we are at the moment with an injury list that would see the end of the NHS is beyond miraculous.  Step forward Unai Emery.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Dogtanian on February 06, 2024, 10:42:57 AM
Despite the bukkakefest over Guardiola, Klopp or Arteta who the media feels worthy of it at seasons end, there will only be one real manager of the year.  To have us where we are at the moment with an injury list that would see the end of the NHS is beyond miraculous.  Step forward Unai Emery.

Surely, it's going to Klopp now, regardless of what happens.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Dave on February 06, 2024, 10:48:12 AM
Despite the bukkakefest over Guardiola, Klopp or Arteta who the media feels worthy of it at seasons end, there will only be one real manager of the year.  To have us where we are at the moment with an injury list that would see the end of the NHS is beyond miraculous.  Step forward Unai Emery.

I dunno. If Luton stay up then what Rob Edwards would have done would be every bit as impressive as Unai getting us into the top four (which I think he would need to to be considered in the conversation above).
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Flamingo Lane on February 06, 2024, 11:27:57 AM
His only genuine challenger would be Rob Edwards, if Luton avoid relegation.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: aev on February 06, 2024, 02:21:24 PM
3-4 weeks out supposedly.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Dogtanian on February 06, 2024, 02:22:55 PM
3-4 weeks out supposedly.

Potentiall back for Spuds at home, missing Fulham, Forest, and Luton beyond this week. Not too bad, aside from the next two.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on February 06, 2024, 02:23:55 PM
And Pau back.

I won't hold my breath on the 3-4 weeks, but it could be worse.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Risso on February 06, 2024, 02:59:35 PM
"3 or 4 weeks, more or less".

I'm going to hazard a guess it'll be more. A lot more.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: VillaTim on February 06, 2024, 03:00:35 PM
Awful news coming at a critical time .
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Dave on February 06, 2024, 03:01:42 PM
Wonder if that might be his slim Euro hopes over as well given he'll probably only just be coming back by the time of the March internationals.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 06, 2024, 03:25:24 PM
"3 or 4 weeks, more or less".

I'm going to hazard a guess it'll be more. A lot more.

Yep.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 06, 2024, 03:35:42 PM
Wonder if that might be his slim Euro hopes over as well given he'll probably only just be coming back by the time of the March internationals.

Yes Southgate is going instead to scout Terry Butcher at his over 60s match this weekend instead.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: eamonn on February 06, 2024, 03:38:32 PM
Was Emery asked about Hause or is that unrealistic (both research from the press and the idea that the man is eager, fit to play and training with the first team)?
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Dogtanian on February 06, 2024, 03:46:10 PM
Was Emery asked about Hause or is that unrealistic (both research from the press and the idea that the man is eager, fit to play and training with the first team)?

He's not in our squad is he?

Last I saw, the plan was to get fit enough to try for a loan move this January, but that hasn't happened. So I'm guessing he has yet to get physically back in shape to play.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: villadelph on February 06, 2024, 03:51:24 PM
Awful news coming at a critical time .

We've got Fulham, Forest and Luton in the league over next month.. we should be capable of beating them without Konsa.

Can't believe our bad luck this year.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Drummond on February 06, 2024, 05:23:22 PM
So that'll leave us with Cash, Carlos, Lenglet and Moreno as fully fit defenders. With Chambers, who the manager clearly didn't want too.

Torres to return, perhaps on Sunday. Digne to be back at some point.


Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Dave on February 06, 2024, 05:37:24 PM
So that'll leave us with Cash, Carlos, Lenglet and Moreno as fully fit defenders. With Chambers, who the manager clearly didn't want too.

To be fair, considering it could be argued that it's our entire second choice defence - it's not too that bad. Obviously Man City aside, I bet there aren't many teams that have that much quality in their fifth to eighth choice defenders.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 06, 2024, 05:42:18 PM
I've always thought Kamara could play as a centre back and I think there may be occasions Kamara could be considered at centre back with Iroegbunam in midfield.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: RamboandBruno on February 06, 2024, 07:12:17 PM
I've always thought Kamara could play as a centre back and I think there may be occasions Kamara could be considered at centre back with Iroegbunam in midfield.
To be fair that’s a better shout than putting Chambers back in.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on February 06, 2024, 07:26:06 PM
From what I can gather, Kamara is only a fairly recent convert to midfield full-time. With their respective attributes, I'd say he's our best fit if you want to change Konsa like-for-like.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: London Villan on February 06, 2024, 07:34:27 PM
Didnt we bring a kid back who can play right back?
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Border villan on February 06, 2024, 07:35:54 PM
Didnt we bring a kid back who can play right back?

He is cup tied.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: London Villan on February 06, 2024, 07:38:12 PM
Ahh.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: KevinGage on February 06, 2024, 08:37:38 PM
His only genuine challenger would be Rob Edwards, if Luton avoid relegation.

Aye, has to be the ex Villa man if they stay up.

Or even if they get close to staying up. Anyone at Citeh should be expected to win the league and then some with that level of financial doping.

Gary O'Neil should also be in the running again if the Tatters finish where they are currently.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: VillaTim on February 06, 2024, 08:50:19 PM
Awful news coming at a critical time .

We've got Fulham, Forest and Luton in the league over next month.. we should be capable of beating them without Konsa.

Can't believe our bad luck this year.
Dangerous to underestimate teams like these, luton are full of goals and fighting like dogs, we've already lost to forest once and Fulham away is often a tough ground for us. The sooner Torres is back the better with Konsa out
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Dave on February 06, 2024, 09:00:26 PM
Fulham away is often a tough ground for us.

I feel we're a bit closer to the "Grealish and Hourihane smash them 0-3" version of recent Fulham - Villa history than the "last days of the Gerrard Empire 3-0" version of recent Fulham - Villa history.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: VillaTim on February 06, 2024, 09:14:24 PM
Fulham away is often a tough ground for us.

I feel we're a bit closer to the "Grealish and Hourihane smash them 0-3" version of recent Fulham - Villa history than the "last days of the Gerrard Empire 3-0" version of recent Fulham - Villa history.
I tend to agree but down the years it's generally been an unhappy hunting ground which is a shame as it's a great away day .
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 07, 2024, 06:07:52 PM
Konsa might play one or two games before the international break, based on my calculations. It will be intriguing to watch what transpires there since, on a personal level, he wants to play so he can then feature in Southgate squad against Belgium and Brazil but he cannot afford to be pushed back into action.

Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: TonyD on February 09, 2024, 03:28:29 PM
how long is he out for?
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Exeter 77 on February 09, 2024, 09:17:40 PM
how long is he out for?

3-4 weeks
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 09, 2024, 09:19:40 PM
how long is he out for?

4 weeks or so, isn't it? People hoping he'll be back for the Spurs game (with the usual Villa injury provisos).
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Villafirst on February 12, 2024, 09:32:26 PM
Rumours (hopefully unfounded) that Konsa's injury is worse than first diagnosed? UE stated a knee strain after the Sheffield United game and 3-4 weeks out. Some comments on social media that Ezri is in America? I don't know what to believe anymore, but these injuries are really hurting us, particularly in defence.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on February 12, 2024, 09:35:56 PM
Thinking about it, what's a "knee strain"? A strain is a ligament or a muscle, yes? You can't strain a bone, can you?
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: DeKuip on February 12, 2024, 10:01:56 PM
He said SPRAIN not strain.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Mister E on February 16, 2024, 02:24:12 PM
I've seen nothing about the extent of Ezri's injury, as yet?!
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Rigadon on February 16, 2024, 02:26:40 PM
He whacked it off the post didn't he?  Surely that's a knock rather than a tear etc.  It would be beyond a bloody joke if he was out long term. 
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on February 16, 2024, 02:33:38 PM
The club were clearly worried about him as he seemingly had a second scan on the same day as Kamara.  The rumour was they feared it could be ACL, but fortunately it isn't.  What hasn't been confirmed is what it is.  My guess is he'll be out for quite a while.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Somniloquism on February 16, 2024, 02:43:30 PM
The club were clearly worried about him as he seemingly had a second scan on the same day as Kamara.  The rumour was they feared it could be ACL, but fortunately it isn't.  What hasn't been confirmed is what it is.  My guess is he'll be out for quite a while.

As you mention, the rumour. It was a rumour he was being sent for a scan anyway the same day as Kamara. You don't wait a week for a scan like that (unless it was a two for one special deal). They stated the day or so after he had sprained his knee in the collision with the post and expect 4 weeks. So no need to update about a scan that didn't happen.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Paul.S on February 16, 2024, 02:50:08 PM
They diagnosed Kamara’s ACL a few days after. Konsa was obviously scanned after the game and it showed a sprain which is what they told us. If Konsa had a severe knee injury we’d have heard about it the week after the game.
They said 4 weeks so we’ll see him in 8 but that’s been standard at the Villa for a while now.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Gareth on February 16, 2024, 03:37:09 PM
The lack of info on Konsa when pretty much every other injury seems to have been discussed makes me nervous that the written journos will be giving us some bad news in their embargoed 10.30pm updates tonight
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on February 16, 2024, 03:46:54 PM
The club were clearly worried about him as he seemingly had a second scan on the same day as Kamara.  The rumour was they feared it could be ACL, but fortunately it isn't.  What hasn't been confirmed is what it is.  My guess is he'll be out for quite a while.

As you mention, the rumour. It was a rumour he was being sent for a scan anyway the same day as Kamara. You don't wait a week for a scan like that (unless it was a two for one special deal). They stated the day or so after he had sprained his knee in the collision with the post and expect 4 weeks. So no need to update about a scan that didn't happen.
Well both Jacob Tanswell (Athletic) Dan Bardell (leave it) & the UTV podcaster guy confirmed that he was having a second scan that day and the club were very worried.  I think it's strange that people find it so hard to accept that info at face value.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Paul.S on February 16, 2024, 03:55:24 PM
The club were clearly worried about him as he seemingly had a second scan on the same day as Kamara.  The rumour was they feared it could be ACL, but fortunately it isn't.  What hasn't been confirmed is what it is.  My guess is he'll be out for quite a while.

As you mention, the rumour. It was a rumour he was being sent for a scan anyway the same day as Kamara. You don't wait a week for a scan like that (unless it was a two for one special deal). They stated the day or so after he had sprained his knee in the collision with the post and expect 4 weeks. So no need to update about a scan that didn't happen.
Well both Jacob Tanswell (Athletic) Dan Bardell (leave it) & the UTV podcaster guy confirmed that he was having a second scan that day and the club were very worried.  I think it's strange that people find it so hard to accept that info at face value.

Wasn’t aware of that so that is very worrying. His injury happened just in front of me and he didn’t appear to hit the post. I think he just landed badly after trying to get in the end of a cross. He walked off but isn’t that what Kamara did as well?
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Somniloquism on February 16, 2024, 04:00:30 PM
Well both Jacob Tanswell (Athletic) Dan Bardell (leave it) & the UTV podcaster guy confirmed that he was having a second scan that day and the club were very worried.  I think it's strange that people find it so hard to accept that info at face value.

Couldn't see anything on Jacob's Twitter or the other name who I had never heard of. However I saw there was a podcast with the two of them and even in that, the mysterious man stated he has heard rumours and nothing concrete in proof but Konsa blah blah blah. So doesn't seem much of a confirmation of any second scan unless you have different places they do "confirm" it?
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on February 16, 2024, 04:02:58 PM
There hasn’t been a detailed update but one of the above sources said after scan it was not ACL.  No idea what the problem was, but if the info is correct the fact the club we’re worried makes you think whatever the problem was it may be a bit worse than we initially thought.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on February 16, 2024, 04:08:31 PM
Well both Jacob Tanswell (Athletic) Dan Bardell (leave it) & the UTV podcaster guy confirmed that he was having a second scan that day and the club were very worried.  I think it's strange that people find it so hard to accept that info at face value.

Couldn't see anything on Jacob's Twitter or the other name who I had never heard of. However I saw there was a podcast with the two of them and even in that, the mysterious man stated he has heard rumours and nothing concrete in proof but Konsa blah blah blah. So doesn't seem much of a confirmation of any second scan unless you have different places they do "confirm" it?
These two both have sources inside the club and were confident enough to say what they said on the podcast.  What are you after documentary evidence or a club statement?

Believe what you want, but outside of official channels you're unlikely to get much better info than from the likes of those two.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Mister E on February 16, 2024, 04:08:52 PM
Wasn’t aware of that so that is very worrying. His injury happened just in front of me and he didn’t appear to hit the post. I think he just landed badly after trying to get in the end of a cross. He walked off but isn’t that what Kamara did as well?
He hit the post fairly hard with his knee!
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Paul.S on February 16, 2024, 04:10:57 PM
Wasn’t aware of that so that is very worrying. His injury happened just in front of me and he didn’t appear to hit the post. I think he just landed badly after trying to get in the end of a cross. He walked off but isn’t that what Kamara did as well?
He hit the post fairly hard with his knee!

Did he? I was above the Villa fans in their end and thought he’s twisted it after getting tangled up trying to reach a cross. I could hear him in pain so maybe I need to get my eyes tested.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: OCD on February 16, 2024, 04:17:42 PM
Yeah, he collided with the post.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Paul.S on February 16, 2024, 04:21:38 PM
Yeah, he collided with the post.

 I’m off for an eye test.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Percy McCarthy on February 16, 2024, 04:42:28 PM
Yeah, he collided with the post.

 I’m off for an eye test.

It’s not unheard of to see things better on the telly. It’s why I stopped going to cricket, even though I love it. He definitely collided with the post.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Somniloquism on February 16, 2024, 04:50:32 PM
Wasn't it reviewed several times in case of a penalty? I'm sure I read that in the BBC Live text. So i suspect the collision would have been shown a few times as well.

(https://apicms.thestar.com.my/uploads/images/2024/02/04/2526997.jpg)
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: eamonn on February 16, 2024, 05:34:46 PM
I can't believe we didn't win that game 10-0. Arsenal brushing aside Wham at the New Boleyn made me a bit jealous.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Paul.S on February 16, 2024, 06:46:43 PM
Yeah, he collided with the post.

 I’m off for an eye test.

It’s not unheard of to see things better on the telly. It’s why I stopped going to cricket, even though I love it. He definitely collided with the post.

That’s true. I remember him going for the ball but must have been put off by all the home support constantly leaving in front of me.
That’s what I’m telling myself anyway.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Demitri_C on February 17, 2024, 08:46:03 PM
Any chance ezri is back for spurs game?

I hope he is him and pau at cb is just filth
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Somniloquism on February 17, 2024, 08:47:34 PM
On initial responses which currently haven't changed, there is a chance. I expect we will know by the end of the month.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Demitri_C on February 17, 2024, 08:48:55 PM
On initial responses which currently haven't changed, there is a chance. I expect we will know by the end of the month.

Thankfully the ACL rumours look like twatter rubbish as unai woild have confirmed by now if it was a ACL
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Somniloquism on February 17, 2024, 08:54:12 PM
Unfortunately just because it wasn't an ACL doesn't mean he might not be out for more then "4-5 weeks" which was the original timeframe mentioned. 
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: jwarry on February 23, 2024, 02:32:15 PM
The fact that Unai said the Forest game has come too early suggests his injury is not as bad as first feared?
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 23, 2024, 02:33:13 PM
The fact that Unai said the Forest game has come too early suggests his injury is not as bad as first feared?

I thought that too, wouldn't be shocked to see him back for Luton.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on February 23, 2024, 03:31:32 PM
The initial estimate was 3-4 weeks.  3 weeks is tomorrow.  If he's back next week I'd be very pleased (and quite surprised).
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 23, 2024, 03:52:25 PM
Yep same, sounds like he’ll be back soon which is fantastic news.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Villafirst on February 23, 2024, 08:07:08 PM
Ezri is a quick healer, I remember a game under Gerrard where Ezri injured his knee and got back very quickly, ahead of schedule....
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Steve67 on February 23, 2024, 09:27:21 PM
As long as he's back for the Ajax game, fit and ready to partner Pau Torres.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Dogtanian on February 28, 2024, 11:56:09 AM
Back in training and giving piggy-back rides;

https://x.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1762807956893057060?s=20 (https://x.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1762807956893057060?s=20)
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: maidstonevillain on February 28, 2024, 12:01:12 PM
So that is why we get so many players injured in training.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 28, 2024, 12:03:52 PM
So that is why we get so many players injured in training.

Doesn't seem the wisest move even if he hadn't been injured.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Risso on February 28, 2024, 12:04:34 PM
So that is why we get so many players injured in training.

I mean, not to be a killjoy, but you just wouldn't, would you?
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Dogtanian on February 28, 2024, 12:05:56 PM
So that is why we get so many players injured in training.

Doesn't seem the wisest move even if he hadn't been injured.

To be fair to Doug, Lehmann has been away on international duty, where else is he gonna get piggy backs?
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Villafirst on February 28, 2024, 12:07:03 PM
Good see Ezri back! Hopefully he and Pau are available on Saturday!
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 28, 2024, 12:15:16 PM
As long as he's back for the Spurs game, fit and ready to partner Pau Torres.
FTFY
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Brend'Watkins on February 28, 2024, 12:15:51 PM
So that is why we get so many players injured in training.

Doesn't seem the wisest move even if he hadn't been injured.

Good to see such camaraderie though that is among the players?  You'd have had a very valid point if it was Nathan Baker from a few seasons back mind.   
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: London Villan on February 28, 2024, 12:16:23 PM
Hope he's straight back in - However - in at right-back or centre-back??
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Dogtanian on February 28, 2024, 12:21:47 PM
Cash will be right-back against Luton. He did well in our last game and if we can't trust him against a bottom side, I don't think he'd be getting a game at all under Emery.

He certainly hasn't warranted being dropped so we can risk a newly returning player back in.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Risso on February 28, 2024, 12:24:57 PM
Now can we please go one solitary fucking week without anybody else getting injured?!
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Dogtanian on February 28, 2024, 12:26:31 PM
Now can we please go one solitary fucking week without anybody else getting injured?!

My left knee has hurt all week and my right hamstring is tender... so I'm hoping I've absorbed the curse for a bit.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: olaftab on February 28, 2024, 12:29:00 PM
Hope he's straight back in - However - in at right-back or centre-back??
CB and rest Pau.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Bad English on February 28, 2024, 12:35:37 PM
Now can we please go one solitary fucking week without anybody else getting injured?!
*Sulks in corner*
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Drummond on February 28, 2024, 12:36:20 PM
So that is why we get so many players injured in training.

Doesn't seem the wisest move even if he hadn't been injured.

Good to see such camaraderie though that is among the players?  You'd have had a very valid point if it was Nathan Baker from a few seasons back mind.

That and if he's fit it shouldn't be a problem anyway.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Risso on February 28, 2024, 12:45:13 PM
Now can we please go one solitary fucking week without anybody else getting injured?!
*Sulks in corner*

Wanker's cramp doesn't count!
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: dorsetvillian on February 28, 2024, 01:21:45 PM
Strangely I met one of Nathan Baker's cousins in the services on the way home from the Forest game. He was working in Leon..
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 28, 2024, 03:34:44 PM
Fantastic that he’s back in training.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on February 28, 2024, 03:35:21 PM
Strangely I met one of Nathan Baker's cousins in the services on the way home from the Forest game. He was working in Leon..
Bailey?
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: brontebilly on February 28, 2024, 06:01:43 PM
Be great to have him back starting at Luton. The likes of Ogbene are quick so need that offside line purring.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 02, 2024, 04:32:01 PM
Be great to have him back starting at Luton. The likes of Ogbene are quick so need that offside line purring.
Spot on
Great news ! he's back today v Luton.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 10, 2024, 08:01:03 PM
I’m wondering if Konsa is fully fit. He’s had a brilliant season, but today and against Ajax he’s just looked off. Obviously there was the horrendous error for the second goal, which pretty much ended any hope of a fight back, but even before that he looked very shaky in possession.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: brontebilly on March 10, 2024, 08:22:13 PM
I’m wondering if Konsa is fully fit. He’s had a brilliant season, but today and against Ajax he’s just looked off. Obviously there was the horrendous error for the second goal, which pretty much ended any hope of a fight back, but even before that he looked very shaky in possession.

He was terrible for both goals at Luton too. Messing around with his position is not helping.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Risso on March 10, 2024, 08:23:43 PM
Exactly Bronte. Doesn’t help Cash either.

Cash, Konsa, Torres, Digne/Moreno

Just pick that Emery, FFS.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Demitri_C on March 10, 2024, 09:19:48 PM
Exactly Bronte. Doesn’t help Cash either.

Cash, Konsa, Torres, Digne/Moreno

Just pick that Emery, FFS.

This is exactly it. Why dont he do that FFS. It really was a dumb move olaying konsa and cash in a game of this importantance. I dont see ange playing porro at rw and romaro at rb.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Ian. on March 10, 2024, 09:47:48 PM
I’m wondering if Konsa is fully fit. He’s had a brilliant season, but today and against Ajax he’s just looked off. Obviously there was the horrendous error for the second goal, which pretty much ended any hope of a fight back, but even before that he looked very shaky in possession.

He was terrible for both goals at Luton too. Messing around with his position is not helping.

He’s been very average since injury. Prior to that he’s been in exceptional form.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: villa for life on March 11, 2024, 06:11:02 PM
Like Emery, Konsa is a victim of his own success. We all would have been happy with a fifth place finish at the start of the season but since we’ve been so good, anything but a top four finish may be viewed by some as a failure.

Similarly, Konsa has proved himself such a dependable player that Emery prefers to play him in an unnatural position at right back and people’s perception of Konsa suffers as a result.

When Konsa plays right back, it reminds me of the old days when the centre back Earl Barrett was asked to do the same and was equally as ineffective doing it.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Dante Lavelli on March 11, 2024, 06:19:41 PM
“You’ll never beat Earl Barrett!”

Happy days! I’d kinda forgotten about him. Melberg and Cueller have also made the position their own since EB.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: john e on March 11, 2024, 06:20:21 PM
He’s been described as a Rolls Royce of a defender

I think he’s more a Volvo estate, solid enough does the job without any frills
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: N'ZMAV on March 11, 2024, 06:30:08 PM
Most of our players have shown good ability to get us towards the top end of the table.
What we're now seeing is tiredness, a lack of concentration and mentality and expectation that they're not used to.
It hasn't helped having some key injuries, add that to a squad that is lacking in real depth to play and compete twice a week.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Risso on March 12, 2024, 09:49:19 AM
We've had one European game since November and went out of the FA Cup at our usual piss poor early stage. This tiredness thing is a shit excuse.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on March 12, 2024, 11:06:18 AM

When Konsa plays right back, it reminds me of the old days when the centre back Earl Barrett was asked to do the same and was equally as ineffective doing it.

Earl was RB when I took my older daughter to he first match, a risk as she knew nothing about the game. Can't remember who we played but some way through the first half, she turned to me: "Daddy, aren't the players in Claret supposed to pass others in Claret?". "Err yes", "So why doesn't he?" She pointed at Earl Barrett.

She never saw us score in three games, scoring I told her, was even better that getting a sack full of My Little Pony stuff.

Boxing Day, "Want to come with me?". "No thanks". "OK". Villa 3 Chelsea 0.

She is now Managing Director for a leading satellite company, and on Thursday is having an informal meeting with some bloke from Disney who want to head-hunt her, as do Apple. Which may not have happened if she turned into a Villa fan and as a consequence spent half her time mentally distressed.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Brend'Watkins on March 12, 2024, 11:27:34 AM
Good story Nick and well done her, you must be very proud. Does she still see herself as a Villa Fan, looks for our results, will watch us on TV now and then?
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: eamonn on March 12, 2024, 04:04:29 PM
I thought the tale was going to end with the head-hunter from Disney being in fact, one Earl Barrett.

As for Konsa - it looked like Spurs targeted him when pressing-us on Sunday. He over-elaborated but it's always a judgement call and as Emery wants us to build-up this way, he has to take some of the blame.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: ROBBO on March 13, 2024, 08:17:45 AM
Yep we were done for speed all over the park.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: manic-road on March 13, 2024, 11:26:33 AM
We have already played 41 games with mainly the same small squad of players this season, Spurs will only play 41 competitive games in total all season. I don't think it's unreasonable to say players look jaded on the pitch, the last two games we have lacked energy. Not sure if that affected Konsas performance against Spurs but that was one of the worst games I have seen him play.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Risso on March 13, 2024, 11:44:51 AM
We have already played 41 games with mainly the same small squad of players this season, Spurs will only play 41 competitive games in total all season. I don't think it's unreasonable to say players look jaded on the pitch, the last two games we have lacked energy. Not sure if that affected Konsas performance against Spurs but that was one of the worst games I have seen him play.

There is no 'we', there are individual players. None of Cash, Konsa, Torres, Carlos, Digne, Moreno, Ramsey, Bailey, Tielemans or Diaby have played anything like that number of games, for reasons of injury, selection or suspension. In fact the only players who'd actually have the excuse of being jaded, in Watkins, McGinn and Luiz, are about the only players who have kept their individual standards high and don't look tired.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Drummond on March 13, 2024, 12:02:03 PM
We have already played 41 games with mainly the same small squad of players this season, Spurs will only play 41 competitive games in total all season. I don't think it's unreasonable to say players look jaded on the pitch, the last two games we have lacked energy. Not sure if that affected Konsas performance against Spurs but that was one of the worst games I have seen him play.

There is no 'we', there are individual players. None of Cash, Konsa, Torres, Carlos, Digne, Moreno, Ramsey, Bailey, Tielemans or Diaby have played anything like that number of games, for reasons of injury, selection or suspension. In fact the only players who'd actually have the excuse of being jaded, in Watkins, McGinn and Luiz, are about the only players who have kept their individual standards high and don't look tired.

Don't forget the element of mental fatigue though.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: AV82EC on March 13, 2024, 12:04:44 PM
We have already played 41 games with mainly the same small squad of players this season, Spurs will only play 41 competitive games in total all season. I don't think it's unreasonable to say players look jaded on the pitch, the last two games we have lacked energy. Not sure if that affected Konsas performance against Spurs but that was one of the worst games I have seen him play.

There is no 'we', there are individual players. None of Cash, Konsa, Torres, Carlos, Digne, Moreno, Ramsey, Bailey, Tielemans or Diaby have played anything like that number of games, for reasons of injury, selection or suspension. In fact the only players who'd actually have the excuse of being jaded, in Watkins, McGinn and Luiz, are about the only players who have kept their individual standards high and don't look tired.

Don't forget the element of mental fatigue though.

I think this season will have been instructive for Unai and his team as to who in the squad can deal with that side of it as well as the physical demands.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Risso on March 13, 2024, 12:23:18 PM
I don't think we looked tired against Spurs. Emery just got the tactics wrong, then that along with individual errors and McGinn's sending just combined for a terrible day. Being 2-0 down and then having a man sent off must be just about the hardest thing in football to come back from, doubly so when you've got players like Zaniolo just standing around waving his arms in the air before they score a third.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 13, 2024, 12:44:18 PM
Tielemans has played in 40 games this season. Konsa 36. Cash 40. Bailey 38. Digne 32. Torres 28. Diaby 39. Totals include internationals. Obviously not all are full games, and do include internationals but they're playing more than some people think.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Risso on March 13, 2024, 12:49:35 PM
Tielemans has played 1,588 minutes of football this season, that's the equivalent of 17 and a half games.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 13, 2024, 01:02:35 PM
There's still everything physically and mentally required to play in 40 games. I haven't blamed tiredness, just pointing out they are playing in a lot of games.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Clampy on March 13, 2024, 01:08:55 PM
Of course some players may feel a little tired and jaded. Emery himself has said in pressers that some players have been tired, it happens. They're not robots.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Risso on March 13, 2024, 01:13:43 PM
There's still everything physically and mentally required to play in 40 games. I haven't blamed tiredness, just pointing out they are playing in a lot of games.

Playing 10 minutes as a sub is nothing like playing 90 full minutes, whatsoever.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 13, 2024, 01:19:31 PM
Considering I haven't blamed tiredness I don't really care. They've still played in a lot of games though however you want to put it.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Risso on March 13, 2024, 01:24:13 PM
Well, thanks for popping back for that useful insight then.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 13, 2024, 01:27:10 PM
Any time, you make it such a pleasant experiance.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Drummond on March 13, 2024, 01:32:27 PM
They look tired at times, that's the point. Whether you think they should, or shouldn't, be, they look it. I think the mental fatigue of both concentrating on games, taking in the tactical information and the expectation that's building, it all has an impact.

Just look at the carnage on here after a defeat; players are shite, manager accused of fucking it all up, we're never going to do anything, we'll capitulate and drop like a stone, and people accusing each other of all sorts. Imagine being in the middle of all that as a player too. Trying to focus and do your best.

There are plenty on here who have successful careers, can seemingly hold it together for that, yet completely lose this fucking shit at the slightest hint of things going wrong. The players aren't immune to it, they are human after all. When they are out and about, when they do press and media stuff, it's all pressure and it's why you very rarely get a team that sails through it all; especially those who aren't used to it.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Drummond on March 13, 2024, 01:33:45 PM
The atmosphere on Sunday was really tense, and that's translates to the pitch, whether you think it should or not.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Clark W Griswold on March 13, 2024, 01:40:58 PM
Frankly, I’m getting quite tired of this whole tiredness debate.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Clampy on March 13, 2024, 01:45:35 PM
Well summed up Drummond and I echo many of your thoughts.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Forge10 on March 13, 2024, 01:51:45 PM
They look tired at times, that's the point. Whether you think they should, or shouldn't, be, they look it. I think the mental fatigue of both concentrating on games, taking in the tactical information and the expectation that's building, it all has an impact.

Just look at the carnage on here after a defeat; players are shite, manager accused of fucking it all up, we're never going to do anything, we'll capitulate and drop like a stone, and people accusing each other of all sorts. Imagine being in the middle of all that as a player too. Trying to focus and do your best.

There are plenty on here who have successful careers, can seemingly hold it together for that, yet completely lose this fucking shit at the slightest hint of things going wrong. The players aren't immune to it, they are human after all. When they are out and about, when they do press and media stuff, it's all pressure and it's why you very rarely get a team that sails through it all; especially those who aren't used to it.

Very true 🙏🏼 With that I’m going to sign out because since I signed back in things of gone a little pear shaped. Yup, I’m that superstitious or hugely paranoid. Let’s do this 🙌🏼 Signing out UTV 🦁
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Dogtanian on March 13, 2024, 01:56:50 PM
Very true 🙏🏼 With that I’m going to sign out because since I signed back in things of gone a little pear shaped. Yup, I’m that superstitious or hugely paranoid. Let’s do this 🙌🏼 Signing out UTV 🦁

Haha.

The bloke who sits next to me didn't come to the Spurs game. So someone else came and sat in his seat at half time. As soon as we conceded I thought it must be because he'd moved seats.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Risso on March 13, 2024, 01:59:12 PM
Any time, you make it such a pleasant experiance.

Scorchio!
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Neil Hawkes on March 13, 2024, 02:20:17 PM
We've had one European game since November and went out of the FA Cup at our usual piss poor early stage. This tiredness thing is a shit excuse.
I don't understand how you are so adamant that this is not a factor.

If you have played more matches than your opponents, during the same period of time, then it is a factor - how big or small this margin is does not mean it doesn't exist.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Risso on March 13, 2024, 02:26:50 PM
We've had one European game since November and went out of the FA Cup at our usual piss poor early stage. This tiredness thing is a shit excuse.
I don't understand how you are so adamant that this is not a factor.

If you have played more matches than your opponents, during the same period of time, then it is a factor - how big or small this margin is does not mean it doesn't exist.

Most of our players haven't played more matches than our opponents though, that's the whole point.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Neil Hawkes on March 13, 2024, 02:28:50 PM
We've had one European game since November and went out of the FA Cup at our usual piss poor early stage. This tiredness thing is a shit excuse.
I don't understand how you are so adamant that this is not a factor.

If you have played more matches than your opponents, during the same period of time, then it is a factor - how big or small this margin is does not mean it doesn't exist.

Most of our players haven't played more matches than our opponents though, that's the whole point.
I could have sworn the commentator said we had played 8 matches more than Spurs on Sunday?
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Drummond on March 13, 2024, 02:29:55 PM
We've had one European game since November and went out of the FA Cup at our usual piss poor early stage. This tiredness thing is a shit excuse.
I don't understand how you are so adamant that this is not a factor.

If you have played more matches than your opponents, during the same period of time, then it is a factor - how big or small this margin is does not mean it doesn't exist.

Most of our players haven't played more matches than our opponents though, that's the whole point.

Well all of the injured ones haven't, no.

Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Risso on March 13, 2024, 02:58:24 PM

Well all of the injured ones haven't, no.

A lot of the ones who aren't currently injured haven't either.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Risso on March 13, 2024, 02:59:21 PM
I could have sworn the commentator said we had played 8 matches more than Spurs on Sunday?

Not every single player has played every single match.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 13, 2024, 03:08:15 PM
I’m not convinced Konsa is a tiredness thing, he just looks a bit off and I’m wondering whether he’s fully fit/his injury is playing on his mind. He has been uncharacteristically sloppy since he came back.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Chris Smith on March 13, 2024, 03:18:25 PM
I’m not convinced Konsa is a tiredness thing, he just looks a bit off and I’m wondering whether he’s fully fit/his injury is playing on his mind. He has been uncharacteristically sloppy since he came back.

Having to play a different back 4 pretty much every game lately can’t help.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Risso on March 13, 2024, 03:44:39 PM
I’m not convinced Konsa is a tiredness thing, he just looks a bit off and I’m wondering whether he’s fully fit/his injury is playing on his mind. He has been uncharacteristically sloppy since he came back.

Having to play a different back 4 pretty much every game lately can’t help.

It certainly won't Chris, which is why I found it perplexing that he just didn't pick what is obviously our best back four on Sunday. Cash - Konsa - Torres - Digne or Moreno. That's served us brilliantly when available this season, so why do soemthing that made everybody look worse?
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: AV82EC on March 13, 2024, 03:48:02 PM
I’m not convinced Konsa is a tiredness thing, he just looks a bit off and I’m wondering whether he’s fully fit/his injury is playing on his mind. He has been uncharacteristically sloppy since he came back.

Having to play a different back 4 pretty much every game lately can’t help.

It certainly won't Chris, which is why I found it perplexing that he just didn't pick what is obviously our best back four on Sunday. Cash - Konsa - Torres - Digne or Moreno. That's served us brilliantly when available this season, so why do soemthing that made everybody look worse?

Because the defence doesn’t exist in a bubble and the current weaknesses in midfield through injury etc means he’s having to maybe muddle through. That said I accept the main premise that a settled defence is better than one he’s having to change every week.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Drummond on March 13, 2024, 04:40:56 PM
I’m not convinced Konsa is a tiredness thing, he just looks a bit off and I’m wondering whether he’s fully fit/his injury is playing on his mind. He has been uncharacteristically sloppy since he came back.

Having to play a different back 4 pretty much every game lately can’t help.

It certainly won't Chris, which is why I found it perplexing that he just didn't pick what is obviously our best back four on Sunday. Cash - Konsa - Torres - Digne or Moreno. That's served us brilliantly when available this season, so why do soemthing that made everybody look worse?

The element of surprise, the lack of Kamara, to try and stop Spurs' way of doing things perhaps. Obviously he wasn't doing something to try and make everybody look worse, in the first half we were, defensively, in control. Our forwards were woefully off it though.

In the second half, a couple of errors cost us the goals and from then on it went to shit.

Perhaps the players looking off it was because they were tired, or maybe they didn't understand their roles, or didn't like the system. We'll probably never know, but there are other times when we've played differently and won. It beats doing the same old shite week after week and losing all the time.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 13, 2024, 04:55:35 PM
I’m not convinced Konsa is a tiredness thing, he just looks a bit off and I’m wondering whether he’s fully fit/his injury is playing on his mind. He has been uncharacteristically sloppy since he came back.

Having to play a different back 4 pretty much every game lately can’t help.

It certainly won't Chris, which is why I found it perplexing that he just didn't pick what is obviously our best back four on Sunday. Cash - Konsa - Torres - Digne or Moreno. That's served us brilliantly when available this season, so why do soemthing that made everybody look worse?
I agree and it included Cash in that silly mid off position, not quite RB not quite winger.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Clampy on March 13, 2024, 05:04:21 PM
It's obviously a system we'll see again at some point. We need to be flexible and maybe it will work better with other players, who knows.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: john e on March 13, 2024, 05:37:31 PM
It's obviously a system we'll see again at some point. We need to be flexible and maybe it will work better with other players, who knows.


I reckon we’ll see it again on Sunday I wouldn’t even bet against it for tomorrow night
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: coreyfeldman on March 13, 2024, 07:44:06 PM
My guess would be that Tim or Rogers start tomorrow and we play back 4
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: olaftab on March 14, 2024, 02:12:03 PM
Well done Ezri. In the squad for March games.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Somniloquism on March 14, 2024, 02:16:39 PM
Although would have preferred him to stay back and not play.....
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 14, 2024, 02:26:25 PM
Well done Ezri. In the squad for March games.

Not ideal timing for us, but pleased for him.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: DB on March 14, 2024, 02:29:44 PM
Although would have preferred him to stay back and not play.....

I don’t think he will get much game time.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: usav on March 14, 2024, 02:38:04 PM
Although would have preferred him to stay back and not play.....

I don’t think he will get much game time.

He won't.  Southgate will need to check out Harry McGuire.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: eamonn on March 14, 2024, 02:44:26 PM
He's been crap since he came back from injury and I'd rather he rested than trained and bantz'd with players of shitty PL teams. Plus we probably have to give Brentford an extra tenner.

But look, if this is what Ezri wants, I shan't stop in his way.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Flamingo Lane on March 14, 2024, 05:42:15 PM
We have too many players who are injured and unavailable; too many players having to play who are not fully fit; and too many players having to play  who are out of form, and who know they are.  As a result, and whatever happens to be the starting XI at the minute, at the first sign of a setback in a game (ie one goal conceded) there tends to then follow an individual and collective collapse. All this is exacerbated by the fact that our style of play requires a collective confidence, which currently just isn't there. If we could just get two wins in before the international break, it would be a great thing.

Edit: posted in the wrong thread!
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Mister E on March 14, 2024, 06:26:20 PM
Well done Ezri. In the squad for March games.
Mouthgate has been waxing lyrical about Gomez and Branthwaite, so Ezri is probably a makeweight in the squad.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 14, 2024, 06:28:41 PM
Mouthgate has been waxing lyrical about Gomez and Branthwaite, so Ezri is probably a makeweight in the squad.

Sir Jim Ratcliffe asked Gareth to pick Konsa so he could be tapped up when he's away.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: brontebilly on March 14, 2024, 08:40:10 PM
Well done Ezri. In the squad for March games.
Mouthgate has been waxing lyrical about Gomez and Branthwaite, so Ezri is probably a makeweight in the squad.

Konsa fortunate enough maybe? Rotten last three games. Branthwaite looks decent in a dreadful team
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 23, 2024, 08:53:12 PM
Absolutely outstanding tonight vs Brazil. Vini Jr and later Endrick got nothing out of him. Superb performance.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 23, 2024, 08:54:16 PM
Well done Ezri top display.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 23, 2024, 08:57:45 PM
Well done Ezri top display.

Yes, he played well. Wonder if Gareth will start him in the next game.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 23, 2024, 08:59:35 PM
Southgate probably won't pick him again. Big schnozzed twat.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - signed
Post by: Dave on March 23, 2024, 09:04:29 PM
Well done Ezri top display.

Yes, he played well. Wonder if Gareth will start him in the next game.

If Walker's injured there isn't really anyone else to play right-back.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - Aston Villa & England
Post by: UK Redsox on March 23, 2024, 09:42:29 PM
Well done Ezri top display.

Yes, he played well. Wonder if Gareth will start him in the next game.

If Walker's injured there isn't really anyone else to play right-back.

Didn’t Southgate used to pick about five right backs in each squad ?
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - Aston Villa & England
Post by: Dave on March 23, 2024, 09:49:01 PM
Yup. Running low now though.

Walker
Alexander-Arnold
Trippier
James

Are the big ones and are all injured.

There was that time a few years back when Livramento, Justin, Wan-Bissaka, Walker-Peters, Lamptey, Cash (pre-Poland) etc were all playing well and people were talking about a team of right-backs.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - Aston Villa & England
Post by: Dante Lavelli on March 23, 2024, 10:16:47 PM
Joe Gomez will start at RB on Tuesday, guaranteed.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - Aston Villa & England
Post by: adrenachrome on March 24, 2024, 09:10:27 AM
https://twitter.com/EzriKonsa/status/1771673710124023847
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - Aston Villa & England
Post by: OCD on March 24, 2024, 12:20:59 PM
I wonder if Southgate has thought about playing a similar way to Villa i.e. having a right back who can play as a third centre back when we're in possession and push Chilwell or Shaw forwards (I know both Chilwell and Shaw are either injured or in shocking form, just raising a question about tactics).
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - Aston Villa & England
Post by: Ian. on March 24, 2024, 12:35:59 PM
I wonder if Southgate has thought about playing a similar way to Villa i.e. having a right back who can play as a third centre back when we're in possession and push Chilwell or Shaw forwards (I know both Chilwell and Shaw are either injured or in shocking form, just raising a question about tactics).

Southgate and tactics, there’s two words you don’t often see together.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - Aston Villa & England
Post by: OCD on March 24, 2024, 12:39:25 PM
Yeah, I know. I expected it to be a reason to beat him with a stick as he's clearly no Emery.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - Aston Villa & England
Post by: pablo_picasso on March 24, 2024, 12:48:13 PM
I wonder if Southgate has thought about playing a similar way to Villa i.e. having a right back who can play as a third centre back when we're in possession and push Chilwell or Shaw forwards (I know both Chilwell and Shaw are either injured or in shocking form, just raising a question about tactics).

He does like to copy other managers, as that 'RB moving into midfield' phase has proven...
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - Aston Villa & England
Post by: Rigadon on March 24, 2024, 01:47:57 PM
I wonder when the Konsa to Arsenal / Spurs / Manchester / Liverpool stories will start now he's an England player? 
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - Aston Villa & England
Post by: eamonn on March 24, 2024, 02:31:05 PM
Konsa at RB for England? Yikes, he struggles enough at Villa but fair play to him. Didn't know they were that stuck. Can Matty Cash rescind the Pole in him and offer himself up as an option for the country where he's been born and bred?
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - Aston Villa & England
Post by: Somniloquism on March 24, 2024, 03:31:49 PM
I wonder if Southgate has thought about playing a similar way to Villa i.e. having a right back who can play as a third centre back when we're in possession and push Chilwell or Shaw forwards (I know both Chilwell and Shaw are either injured or in shocking form, just raising a question about tactics).

He does like to copy other managers, as that 'RB moving into midfield' phase has proven...

There is a good chance that Southgate thinks he is a RB as the the few times he has watched us he might have been playing there.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - Aston Villa & England
Post by: darren woolley on March 25, 2024, 09:22:31 AM
Well done Ezri I'm so pleased for him.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - Aston Villa & England
Post by: Dogtanian on March 25, 2024, 11:09:03 AM
Lovely to see him getting his cap;

https://x.com/Total_Villa/status/1772217211362345236?s=20 (https://x.com/Total_Villa/status/1772217211362345236?s=20)

Do they usually release vids like this?
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - Aston Villa & England
Post by: Exeter 77 on March 25, 2024, 11:25:42 AM
Interesting to see Southgate mention how Ezri marked Vinicius Jr. I didn't expect that. [engages cynic mode] Unless of course it's part of a narrative where Southgate encourages him to move to one the 'preferred' clubs.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - Aston Villa & England
Post by: Somniloquism on March 25, 2024, 11:27:15 AM
Unfortunately for us, I suspect Konsa will be playing most, if not all the match on Tuesday. I would have preferred the rest for both him and Watkins.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - Aston Villa & England
Post by: OCD on March 25, 2024, 11:53:05 AM
As long as he comes through it ok, the experience will be good for him and it will have been a real boost to him.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - Aston Villa & England
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 25, 2024, 11:54:51 AM
We have to get past worrying about our players getting hurt or hoping they don’t play when on international duty. The better we get the more players we will get participating or starting for their countries. And it’s exactly where they all want to be. None of us want our lads to get hurt but it happens. And it will be shit when it happens again playing for their country or in training as we’ve unfortunately seen.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - Aston Villa & England
Post by: Hookeysmith on March 25, 2024, 01:32:11 PM
The better we become the more international players will be created and will be away on various trips

We have to get used to it
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - Aston Villa & England
Post by: Somniloquism on March 25, 2024, 01:34:45 PM
Whilst I understand that, I would still prefer Konsa not to play on Tuesday and risk himself in a friendly when we have potentially lost Cash the same week. Shame he couldn't get a "knock" like Saka and others suddenly have. I see Maguire is the latest to withdraw.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - Aston Villa & England
Post by: Dogtanian on March 25, 2024, 01:39:35 PM
Whilst I understand that, I would still prefer Konsa not to play on Tuesday and risk himself in a friendly when we have potentially lost Cash the same week. Shame he couldn't get a "knock" like Saka and others suddenly have. I see Maguire is the latest to withdraw.

Exactly. It's more of an issue now where we are vulnerable and trying to cling on to a position we desperately need to get.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - Aston Villa & England
Post by: sid1964 on March 25, 2024, 01:51:49 PM
Konsa must be feeling fantastic after making his England Debut and as he described it being "the highlight of his career"

Based on his performances over the last few seasons it is well deserved.

Hopefully he plays Tuesday and gets in the squad for the Euro's in the summer.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - Aston Villa & England
Post by: Skerra on March 25, 2024, 01:55:32 PM
The thing is that people like Maguire can pull out at anytime, knowing Southgate will pick them again next time out. Feel a bit for Ezri as the chances are that he’ll not get picked once Southgate has his favourites back for selection. Same goes for Ollie. So really, they’re just risking getting injured for no future gain.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - Aston Villa & England
Post by: olaftab on March 25, 2024, 01:59:11 PM
Unfortunately for us, I suspect Konsa will be playing most, if not all the match on Tuesday. I would have preferred the rest for both him and Watkins.
No way Ezri is good enough to take care of Openda on Tuesday. I think Hendo can do a better job at centre back with his enormous versatility.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - Aston Villa & England
Post by: brontebilly on March 25, 2024, 02:01:26 PM
I wonder if Southgate has thought about playing a similar way to Villa i.e. having a right back who can play as a third centre back when we're in possession and push Chilwell or Shaw forwards (I know both Chilwell and Shaw are either injured or in shocking form, just raising a question about tactics).

He pretty much does already. Walker hardly pushes forward for England from what I've seen. Keeps another body back and man marks the likes of Mbappe. Even for Man City these days, maybe with his legs going, Walker tends to sit in a lot more with likes of Stones stepping into midfield instead. Don't think likes of TAA would have any chance under Southgate.

As much as there are justifiable sticks to beat Southgate, I can understand why he would want numbers to be kept back. There isn't an obvious partner for Rice to protect that defence, Maguire can't play high and question marks over the fitness of Stones and particularly Shaw to last the tournament. Wouldn't be surprised if Tripper played a good bit at left back in the Euros.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - Aston Villa & England
Post by: LeeB on March 25, 2024, 02:03:09 PM
Trippier's legs have gone.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - Aston Villa & England
Post by: Risso on March 25, 2024, 02:04:10 PM
The thing is that people like Maguire can pull out at anytime, knowing Southgate will pick them again next time out. Feel a bit for Ezri as the chances are that he’ll not get picked once Southgate has his favourites back for selection. Same goes for Ollie. So really, they’re just risking getting injured for no future gain.

Agreed, they feel like they're there just to plug a gap, with no real intent of properly integrating them into the squad.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - Aston Villa & England
Post by: Somniloquism on March 25, 2024, 02:04:47 PM
Don't think likes of TAA would have any chance under Southgate.

He will just play him in midfield because Klopp has tried it once or twice in matches.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - Aston Villa & England
Post by: manic-road on March 25, 2024, 02:14:54 PM
Trippier's legs have gone.

I said exactly the same about Douglas Bader.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - Aston Villa & England
Post by: Somniloquism on March 25, 2024, 02:17:29 PM
Were you one of the guards at the POW camp then?
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - Aston Villa & England
Post by: manic-road on March 25, 2024, 02:24:26 PM
Were you one of the guards at the POW camp then?

Nein.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - Aston Villa & England
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 25, 2024, 07:17:35 PM
Were you one of the guards at the POW camp then?

Nein.

If you were, you'd have been saying "Bader's legs have come back" as they let the RAF drop a spare pair in to him whilst in his POW camp.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - Aston Villa & England
Post by: LeeB on March 26, 2024, 09:20:38 AM
Trippier's legs have gone.

I said exactly the same about Douglas Bader.

And Alan Titchmarsh it seems:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/26/alan-titchmarsh-jeans-north-korean-tv-censors (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/26/alan-titchmarsh-jeans-north-korean-tv-censors)
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - Aston Villa & England
Post by: brontebilly on March 26, 2024, 09:40:08 AM
Trippier's legs have gone.

He wouldn't be required to push forward much under Southgate so should be ok. Good for the set pieces too. Chilwell can't defend and I'm not sure there's any other option for left back.

Think England had a much better balanced squad at the last Euros. Very reliant on likes of Rice, Bellingham and Kane this time.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - Aston Villa & England
Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 26, 2024, 09:53:11 AM
Trippier's legs have gone.

That's aptronyms for ya.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - Aston Villa & England
Post by: Dave on March 26, 2024, 10:13:40 AM
Trippier's legs have gone.

He wouldn't be required to push forward much under Southgate so should be ok. Good for the set pieces too. Chilwell can't defend and I'm not sure there's any other option for left back.

Think you missed the memo. England have a brilliant squad of world-conquering players and it's only gross mismanagement that means they haven't won every trophy for the last six years.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - Aston Villa & England
Post by: algy on March 26, 2024, 11:03:48 AM
We have to get past worrying about our players getting hurt or hoping they don’t play when on international duty. The better we get the more players we will get participating or starting for their countries. And it’s exactly where they all want to be. None of us want our lads to get hurt but it happens. And it will be shit when it happens again playing for their country or in training as we’ve unfortunately seen.
I want us to overtake Tottingham and reclaim our rightful place of having provided more England internationals than any other club in the country.  Think we need to provide 3 more to do that ...
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - Aston Villa & England
Post by: Drummond on March 26, 2024, 11:16:37 AM
We have to get past worrying about our players getting hurt or hoping they don’t play when on international duty. The better we get the more players we will get participating or starting for their countries. And it’s exactly where they all want to be. None of us want our lads to get hurt but it happens. And it will be shit when it happens again playing for their country or in training as we’ve unfortunately seen.
I want us to overtake Tottingham and reclaim our rightful place of having provided more England internationals than any other club in the country.  Think we need to provide 3 more to do that ...

Rogers....Ramsey....O'Reilly?
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - Aston Villa & England
Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 26, 2024, 11:26:19 AM
I want us to overtake Tottingham and reclaim our rightful place of having provided more England internationals than any other club in the country.  Think we need to provide 3 more to do that ...

Rogers....Ramsey....O'Reilly?

Kellyman and Feeney to come after Ramsey (and possibly Rogers).
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - Aston Villa & England
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 26, 2024, 08:27:36 PM
It bodes well for Ezri that Southgate shifted him to centre back rather than putting Gomez there. He clearly sees him as a versatile option.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - Aston Villa & England
Post by: Mellin on March 26, 2024, 10:38:11 PM
Only defender to come out with any credit imo. Played well.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - Aston Villa & England
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 26, 2024, 10:44:35 PM
Very assured performance.
Southgate would be a Dick not to take him.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - Aston Villa & England
Post by: KevinGage on March 26, 2024, 11:01:17 PM
Well played to Dean Smith too, who always said that Ezri would play for England.

Yes, the competition might not be that fierce if Slabhead keeps on getting games.

But still a big call to make in 2019. Partic for a CB/FB who was playing League One football the year previous.

Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - Aston Villa & England
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 26, 2024, 11:08:37 PM
What’s most impressive about Konsa is that he has worked hard and improved his way through any challenges placed in front of him. What I mean is that he wasn’t always the best, but through his commitment to get better he has overcome deficiencies in his game. He’s now one of the most competent defenders in the PL and is starting to show it for England. His chances to play will be hindered by the coach who will insist on Maguire starting.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - Aston Villa & England
Post by: Matt C on March 27, 2024, 01:14:02 AM
Surely ahead of Dunk in the reckoning after this international week.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - Aston Villa & England
Post by: brontebilly on March 27, 2024, 02:59:32 AM
What’s most impressive about Konsa is that he has worked hard and improved his way through any challenges placed in front of him. What I mean is that he wasn’t always the best, but through his commitment to get better he has overcome deficiencies in his game. He’s now one of the most competent defenders in the PL and is starting to show it for England. His chances to play will be hindered by the coach who will insist on Maguire starting.

Maguire will likely play LCB so not a direct competitor really for Konsa. Konsa might get a chance next to him as Stones can hardly be relied on to stay fit this summer.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - Aston Villa & England
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 27, 2024, 04:18:11 AM
The 2 RB first choices Walker Trippier but he may need to have Trippier as cover at LB, this makes it likely that Konsa is in because he provides cover at RB and CB.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - Aston Villa & England
Post by: sid1964 on March 27, 2024, 06:50:25 AM
Played well, looked comfortable when passing the ball - hopefully he makes the squad

But we do have a few right backs that may be ahead of him.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - Aston Villa & England
Post by: eamonn on March 27, 2024, 09:58:52 AM
How often is Stones unfit? Seems to play most games for Citeh and he's one of the best players in the world in his position.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - Aston Villa & England
Post by: LeeS on March 27, 2024, 10:03:37 AM
In a couple of years could we maybe see Konsa and Mings play together for England?
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - Aston Villa & England
Post by: LeeB on March 27, 2024, 10:13:02 AM
In a couple of years could we maybe see Konsa and Mings play together for England?

Lol, in the event of injuries to Maguire, Dunk, Tomari, Colwell, Guehi and Steve Holland's as yet unkown love child maybe.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - Aston Villa & England
Post by: Risso on March 27, 2024, 11:47:33 AM
In a couple of years could we maybe see Konsa and Mings play together for England?

Lol, in the event of injuries to Maguire, Dunk, Tomari, Colwell, Guehi and Steve Holland's as yet unkown love child maybe.

I'd say it's unlikely Mings will play for England again. He's 31, had a year out for one of the most serious injuries a sportsman can have, and has yet to get back to playing for Villa. We don't know yet that he's going to be the same player that he was for us, before the injury.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - Aston Villa & England
Post by: LeeB on March 27, 2024, 12:05:16 PM
In a couple of years could we maybe see Konsa and Mings play together for England?

Lol, in the event of injuries to Maguire, Dunk, Tomari, Colwell, Guehi and Steve Holland's as yet unkown love child maybe.

I'd say it's unlikely Mings will play for England again. He's 31, had a year out for one of the most serious injuries a sportsman can have, and has yet to get back to playing for Villa. We don't know yet that he's going to be the same player that he was for us, before the injury.

Mind that Dunk is 32 and was never as good as Tyrone would be on one leg, so you never know.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - Aston Villa & England
Post by: Risso on March 27, 2024, 12:06:41 PM
I think after the last two games, Dunk's England career will probably take a nose dive. Unless someone suggests to Southgate that Dunk isn't very good and shouldn't be picked, in which he'll stick with him just to prove a point.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - Aston Villa & England
Post by: LeeB on March 27, 2024, 12:10:17 PM
I think after the last two games, Dunk's England career will probably take a nose dive. Unless someone suggests to Southgate that Dunk isn't very good and shouldn't be picked, in which he'll stick with him just to prove a point.

I wonder if someone already has, maybe Ben White, and that's why we are where we are.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - Aston Villa & England
Post by: Dave on March 27, 2024, 12:13:08 PM
I reckon that there'll be a new manager in six months, and both Dunk and Mings will be in the old guard that are pushed out.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - Aston Villa & England
Post by: LeeB on March 27, 2024, 12:15:39 PM
I reckon that there'll be a new manager in six months, and both Dunk and Mings will be in the old guard that are pushed out.

I've not given much thought to him going, who would replace him? It might work out nicely if Beheddie Howe gets the call to the embassy at Newcastle as seems likely at some point in the near future.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - Aston Villa & England
Post by: paul_e on March 27, 2024, 12:18:06 PM
I think after the last two games, Dunk's England career will probably take a nose dive. Unless someone suggests to Southgate that Dunk isn't very good and shouldn't be picked, in which he'll stick with him just to prove a point.

I wonder if someone already has, maybe Ben White, and that's why we are where we are.

What I don't get with Dunk is that he's been in poor form most of the season anyway so I don't konw how he was even in the picture, Soithgate is a really odd guy when it comes to selection.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - Aston Villa & England
Post by: Drummond on March 27, 2024, 12:20:41 PM
Howe, Potter, Gary O'Neil, Carsley, Mourinho
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - Aston Villa & England
Post by: Risso on March 27, 2024, 12:23:34 PM
I reckon that there'll be a new manager in six months, and both Dunk and Mings will be in the old guard that are pushed out.

Mings will be doing well to be playing regularly for us in 6 months. He'll be introduced gradually I reckon, but even then is probably going to have to accept that Konsa and Torres are the first choice centre back partnership now.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - Aston Villa & England
Post by: LeeB on March 27, 2024, 12:25:01 PM
Howe, Potter, Gary O'Neil, Carsley, Mourinho

I'd love it to be Mourinho, I really would. Could see them going with Carsley though, as if only to prove they've made their own 'clairfontaine' with St George's Park.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - Aston Villa & England
Post by: Drummond on March 27, 2024, 12:33:07 PM
Howe, Potter, Gary O'Neil, Carsley, Mourinho

I'd love it to be Mourinho, I really would. Could see them going with Carsley though, as if only to prove they've made their own 'clairfontaine' with St George's Park.

I agree re Carsley, it's what they did with Southgate. The Mourinho thing I'm not sure about. I think national sides should have all staff as well as players holding a passport from that nation. As for the others, O'Neil always strikes me as being a pretty good manager.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - Aston Villa & England
Post by: LeeB on March 27, 2024, 12:36:29 PM
I don't want it be Mourinho for any just reason, more for a laugh really and to see him completely upset the 'Club England' vibe that Southgate has made his name on.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - Aston Villa & England
Post by: Hillbilly on March 27, 2024, 12:40:12 PM
I feel so sorry for Mings. He must have watched these matches knowing that if fit, he would have been a shoo-in.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - Aston Villa & England
Post by: Drummond on March 27, 2024, 12:45:11 PM
I don't want it be Mourinho for any just reason, more for a laugh really and to see him completely upset the 'Club England' vibe that Southgate has made his name on.

Ah, I see! Well in that case I'm all for it.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - Aston Villa & England
Post by: Hookeysmith on March 27, 2024, 01:09:36 PM
Quote
Southgate would be a Dick not to take him.

Think i have spotted the flaw in your comment
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - Aston Villa & England
Post by: AV82EC on March 27, 2024, 02:35:50 PM
I don't want it be Mourinho for any just reason, more for a laugh really and to see him completely upset the ’Clique England'vibe that Southgate has made his name on.

Fixed that for you.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - Aston Villa & England
Post by: eamonn on March 27, 2024, 02:54:29 PM
Quote
Southgate would be a Dick not to take him.

Think i have spotted the flaw in your comment

Julian?
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - Aston Villa & England
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on March 27, 2024, 04:24:31 PM
I feel so sorry for Mings. He must have watched these matches knowing that if fit, he would have been a shoo-in.

You really believe that Southgate would be picking Mings as one of his first choice centre halves? There was a time a few years back when Tyrone played 3/4 games in a row due to injuries and was very competent, with no mistakes etc and he then later dropped him from future teams.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - Aston Villa & England
Post by: DrGonzo on March 27, 2024, 04:46:04 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2024/mar/27/central-defence-premier-league-arsenal-manchester-united (https://www.theguardian.com/football/2024/mar/27/central-defence-premier-league-arsenal-manchester-united)

Good statto article in The Grauniad about centre backs and the benefit of a settled centre half pairing. Konsa and Torres lead the way with an 87.5% win ratio and are second in the xG ratings with 0.97 per 90 minutes.  We should not be considering any other pairing if at all possible.  We need to cover Cash’s injury with somebody other than Konsa.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - Aston Villa & England
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on March 27, 2024, 06:57:46 PM
I read that earlier and did wonder if our fantastic Konsa-Torres partnership was the one played most this season? Eight times is nothing for our best pairing.

Maybe if we threw in the CL games too we'd see:

Clément Lenglet has played 22 games so far;
Diogo Carlos 27 games;
Konsa 37 games;
Torres a very surprising 29 games;
Chambers 4 games;
Mings just the one.

And there was me at the beginning of the season thinking Unai was mad having six central defenders.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - Aston Villa & England
Post by: brontebilly on March 27, 2024, 07:42:07 PM
How often is Stones unfit? Seems to play most games for Citeh and he's one of the best players in the world in his position.

Quite a bit, for sure he's a top defender when fit -

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/john-stones/verletzungen/spieler/186590
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - Aston Villa & England
Post by: Hillbilly on March 28, 2024, 08:13:33 AM
Six central defenders plus Kamara who has played there in the past.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - Aston Villa & England
Post by: chrisw1 on March 28, 2024, 08:51:41 AM
I reckon that there'll be a new manager in six months, and both Dunk and Mings will be in the old guard that are pushed out.

I've not given much thought to him going, who would replace him? It might work out nicely if Beheddie Howe gets the call to the embassy at Newcastle as seems likely at some point in the near future.
Howe's the obvious choice and I think he'd do a great job.  But it will be nauseating seeing tan-man Tindall dominating all the photos if we ever win anything.  It won't be an iconic Bobby Moore esk image, it will be Tindall's teeth.
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - Aston Villa & England
Post by: john e on March 28, 2024, 09:55:13 AM
I feel so sorry for Mings. He must have watched these matches knowing that if fit, he would have been a shoo-in.

You really believe that Southgate would be picking Mings as one of his first choice centre halves? There was a time a few years back when Tyrone played 3/4 games in a row due to injuries and was very competent, with no mistakes etc and he then later dropped him from future teams.

You might be right with the Southgate thing, but leaving that aside
When both players are fully fit and in their prime Mings is a far better quality player than Konsa in my opinion
Title: Re: Ezri Konsa - Aston Villa & England
Post by: eamonn on March 28, 2024, 10:02:19 AM
Tindall's Teeth - his mam had high hopes of dentistry for her son.
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