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Title: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Ads on June 29, 2019, 09:49:13 AM
Being reported by Sam Wallace of the Telegraph that we've agreed a £14m fee, rising to £17m with add ons.

Deal for the left back to be completed this week.
Title: Re: Matt Target (Acquired?)
Post by: andyh on June 29, 2019, 09:58:23 AM
Welcome Matt
Title: Re: Matt Target (Acquired?)
Post by: eamonn on June 29, 2019, 09:59:03 AM
Dumb money, thanks Yanited for distorting the full back market.
Title: Re: Matt Target (Acquired?)
Post by: Axl Rose on June 29, 2019, 10:30:19 AM
Decent signing if it does go through. I thought he played well in the playoff final against us. Smith will get him playing, I'm sure.
Title: Re: Matt Target (Acquired?)
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 29, 2019, 10:34:10 AM
This one can be re-opened when it's a bit more definite.
Title: Re: Matt Target (Acquired?)
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 01, 2019, 11:33:46 AM
Club have just tweeted a picture of a target.
Title: Re: Matt Target (Acquired?)
Post by: sonyhill on July 01, 2019, 11:37:45 AM
Not exactly blown away by this signing but I do trust Smith to get the best out of him.  Fingers crossed he's a success. 

The silver lining of us giving Southampton the money to enable them to weaken Blues even further is good enough for me too! 
Title: Re: Matt Target (Acquired?)
Post by: Towser on July 01, 2019, 11:39:53 AM
Bulls Eye, club confirmed signing now. Welcome to AVFC Matt
Title: Re: Matt Target (Acquired?)
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on July 01, 2019, 11:43:16 AM
Welcome Matt

Very good
Title: Re: Matt Target (Acquired?)
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 01, 2019, 11:44:11 AM
Welcome to the greatest club on Earth, Mr Targett.
Title: Re: Matt Target (Acquired?)
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 01, 2019, 11:45:13 AM
Welcome Matt. Hope you can justify the fee and help us stay where we belong next season! Please keep Taylor out of the team.
Title: Re: Matt Target (Acquired?)
Post by: Bren'd on July 01, 2019, 11:48:27 AM
Welcome Matt

Very good

One which will not be walked over hopefully. 
Title: Re: Matt Target (Acquired?)
Post by: WarszaVillan82 on July 01, 2019, 11:51:29 AM
Just watched his interview after signing. Luckily he agreed that Villa are a massive club with a massive history and massive potential.
Title: Re: Matt Target (Acquired?)
Post by: Villan For Life on July 01, 2019, 11:51:40 AM
Welcome to the Villa Matt
Title: Re: Matt Target (Acquired?)
Post by: Dazvillain on July 01, 2019, 11:54:58 AM
Welcome MATT.... thread title change to confirmed as itís official on club twitter and website with interview too ?
Title: Re: Matt Target (Acquired?)
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 01, 2019, 12:00:09 PM
Welcome Matt.
Title: Re: Matt Target - signed
Post by: Chipsticks on July 01, 2019, 12:01:50 PM
Pleased to see us continue to make sensible signings.

I've mentioned this on here before, but it's pretty obvious that we're going for players with low wage demands and strong sell-on value if needed.

If we go down, they would likely by up for sticking around in the championship, or alternatively we can sell them on for decent money as they'll be a year more matured and have Premier League experience to their name.

Nice to see us being run responsibly.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: mr underhill on July 01, 2019, 12:10:05 PM
great signing now just get the other five done Dean!!
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: olaftab on July 01, 2019, 12:12:32 PM
Welcome Matt. You have moved up to a proper club now. Good luck.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Risso on July 01, 2019, 12:14:07 PM
Good news, hopefully that's the problem left back position sorted at last.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Dazvillain on July 01, 2019, 12:19:09 PM
[quote author=Chipsticks link=topic=59905.msg3611060#msg3611060 date=1561978910

I've mentioned this on here before, but it's pretty obvious that we're going for players with low wage demands and strong sell-on value if needed.

[/quote]
Like SJM !?!?
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: KevinGage on July 01, 2019, 12:29:14 PM
At £11 million for a PL fullback you're almost talking about a bargain in the current loony market.

Concerned about the lack of pace, but Stan Staunton would never have been mistaken for a sprinter. His good qualities (particularly in his first spell) negated the other issues, so hopefully this lad will do the same.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on July 01, 2019, 12:41:25 PM
Welcome Matt.  Hopefully a good solid signing and has to be an upgrade on Taylor.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 01, 2019, 12:42:24 PM
Welcome Matt. You have moved up to a proper club now. Good luck.

Indeed, Welcome. Just trying to think of the last player we signed from Southampton, i don't recall many that i can remember. We signed a good defender from Bournemouth some years back and are hopefully about to sign another from there.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Three Spires Villa on July 01, 2019, 12:44:31 PM
Good luck, work hard and we will love you. All the very best
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: UK Redsox on July 01, 2019, 12:45:57 PM
Welcome to another player Iíd never heard of before a week or so ago
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on July 01, 2019, 12:48:00 PM
Just trying to think of the last player we signed from Southampton,

Phillips?
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: dave shelley on July 01, 2019, 12:50:01 PM
Welcome to the Villa Matt.  Just one question, what exactly is your aim?
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Border villan on July 01, 2019, 12:52:07 PM
Hopefully Matt will put a gloss on our defending.
😜
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 01, 2019, 12:52:15 PM
Welcome Matt. You have moved up to a proper club now. Good luck.

Indeed, Welcome. Just trying to think of the last player we signed from Southampton, i don't recall many that i can remember. We signed a good defender from Bournemouth some years back and are hopefully about to sign another from there.

Super Kevin Phillips might be the last Southampton player we signed.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Dave P on July 01, 2019, 12:54:45 PM
At £11 million for a PL fullback you're almost talking about a bargain in the current loony market.

Concerned about the lack of pace, but Stan Staunton would never have been mistaken for a sprinter. His good qualities (particularly in his first spell) negated the other issues, so hopefully this lad will do the same.

You wasn't much of a sprinter yourself, Mr Gage ;)
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 01, 2019, 12:57:26 PM
Just trying to think of the last player we signed from Southampton,

Phillips?

Jim McCalliog.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: maidstonevillain on July 01, 2019, 01:01:15 PM
Now on the Beeb. Headed with a picture of him on the treatment table.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on July 01, 2019, 01:02:54 PM
Now on the Beeb. Headed with a picture of him on the treatment table.

shit, is he injured already?
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Breezeblock on July 01, 2019, 01:03:15 PM
Welcome to the greatest club in the known universe Matt.  May all of your tackles and crosses be..... on Targett! (Yeah, I went there! :) )
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 01, 2019, 01:06:13 PM
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 01, 2019, 01:08:58 PM
Welcome Matt. You have moved up to a proper club now. Good luck.

Indeed, Welcome. Just trying to think of the last player we signed from Southampton, i don't recall many that i can remember. We signed a good defender from Bournemouth some years back and are hopefully about to sign another from there.

Super Kevin Phillips might be the last Southampton player we signed.

Ah yes. He's had that many clubs though it's hard to remember, i suppose he was best known at Sunderland.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 01, 2019, 01:19:34 PM
From what I saw of him last season, he looks very decent.  People on about the fee - it isn't £17m, it is £17m (possibly) with add ons - those add ons mean if they come to fruition he will have been a success for us.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: cheltenhamlion on July 01, 2019, 01:27:42 PM
Braces on his gnashers? Have we signed a ten year old?
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: KevinGage on July 01, 2019, 01:30:57 PM
At £11 million for a PL fullback you're almost talking about a bargain in the current loony market.

Concerned about the lack of pace, but Stan Staunton would never have been mistaken for a sprinter. His good qualities (particularly in his first spell) negated the other issues, so hopefully this lad will do the same.

You wasn't much of a sprinter yourself, Mr Gage ;)

It's about working smarter, not harder.

Particularly when you are a peroxide blond bombshell.  Life is always easier for us.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Londonfranky on July 01, 2019, 01:48:29 PM
Seems like you got a good deal, they to charge us £20 million last year, before he had played in the premiership, so we nicked Joe Bryan from you, that worked out well for us!! It worked well for us because it released Ryan Sessegnon to go forward, you seems to be going in right direction signing players that have played nearly all their careers in English football
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: eamonn on July 01, 2019, 01:53:38 PM
He looks like he could be a son of Dean. Like Ron and Dalian.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 01, 2019, 01:54:48 PM
At £11 million for a PL fullback you're almost talking about a bargain in the current loony market.

Concerned about the lack of pace, but Stan Staunton would never have been mistaken for a sprinter. His good qualities (particularly in his first spell) negated the other issues, so hopefully this lad will do the same.

We can only hope. Unlike Staunton, he's had very little experience. We'll need to be patient as he's still work in progress. Let's hope Dean and our coaches can develop the player into a first rate full back, something that Ronald Koeman, Claude Puel, Mauricio Pellegrino, Mark Hughes and Ralph Hassenhutti failed to do.

Welcome Matt.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on July 01, 2019, 02:01:55 PM
I don't know anything about him but the Saints fan I work with reckons he has the right attitude but lacks the pace and physical presence required by Hassenhuttl (have  spelt that right?). And he was kept out of the first team by Bertrand. Don't shoot the messenger. 
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: not3bad on July 01, 2019, 02:05:35 PM
I like it when we sign our Targett player. Welcome Matt.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 01, 2019, 02:06:44 PM
I don't know anything about him but the Saints fan I work with reckons he has the right attitude but lacks the pace and physical presence required by Hassenhuttl (have  spelt that right?). And he was kept out of the first team by Bertrand. Don't shoot the messenger. 

More worried by the lack of physical presence bit than the lack of pace. As a full back if you've been told "your job is to stick to your position and defend" then you can get by without pace; if you're set up to play with proper wingers rather than wing-backs. All you need as a full-back in that scenario is good positioning and upper body strength. Being able to tackle is a strong bonus.

Without the strength, though, you might as well just not be there. Or be Neil Taylor.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on July 01, 2019, 02:32:28 PM
Welcome to the greatest football club in the World Matt!

Be brilliant.
Please.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Ads on July 01, 2019, 02:49:00 PM
At £11 million for a PL fullback you're almost talking about a bargain in the current loony market.

Concerned about the lack of pace, but Stan Staunton would never have been mistaken for a sprinter. His good qualities (particularly in his first spell) negated the other issues, so hopefully this lad will do the same.

We can only hope. Unlike Staunton, he's had very little experience. We'll need to be patient as he's still work in progress. Let's hope Dean and our coaches can develop the player into a first rate full back, something that Ronald Koeman, Claude Puel, Mauricio Pellegrino, Mark Hughes and Ralph Hassenhutti failed to do.

Welcome Matt.

He was 18 when Poch left Southampton. Bit of a straw man argument.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: lukey27 on July 01, 2019, 02:50:25 PM
Full back was a massive weakness for us last year. The fact we had no-one who could successfully overlap meant that we consistently had to play wingers. Having progressive full-backs gives any team much more flexibility and we have the option to play an extra central player now.

Reading Fulham forums, they consider losing their full backs from their promotion season Fredericks and Targett a massive reason why they failed last year.

Good luck to him, I think it makes perfect sense with where we are now. Young, can fit right in and is an upgrade on what we have.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 01, 2019, 03:02:11 PM
At £11 million for a PL fullback you're almost talking about a bargain in the current loony market.

Concerned about the lack of pace, but Stan Staunton would never have been mistaken for a sprinter. His good qualities (particularly in his first spell) negated the other issues, so hopefully this lad will do the same.

We can only hope. Unlike Staunton, he's had very little experience. We'll need to be patient as he's still work in progress. Let's hope Dean and our coaches can develop the player into a first rate full back, something that Ronald Koeman, Claude Puel, Mauricio Pellegrino, Mark Hughes and Ralph Hassenhutti failed to do.

Welcome Matt.

He was 18 when Poch left Southampton. Bit of a straw man argument.

Luke Shaw had made 25 first team appearances before his 18th birthday. Shaw is two months older than Matt.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: manic-road on July 01, 2019, 03:05:24 PM
Welcome to the Villa Matt, have a stonking career with us.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: LowerNorthStand on July 01, 2019, 03:35:37 PM
Welcome
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 01, 2019, 03:37:54 PM
At £11 million for a PL fullback you're almost talking about a bargain in the current loony market.

Concerned about the lack of pace, but Stan Staunton would never have been mistaken for a sprinter. His good qualities (particularly in his first spell) negated the other issues, so hopefully this lad will do the same.

We can only hope. Unlike Staunton, he's had very little experience. We'll need to be patient as he's still work in progress. Let's hope Dean and our coaches can develop the player into a first rate full back, something that Ronald Koeman, Claude Puel, Mauricio Pellegrino, Mark Hughes and Ralph Hassenhutti failed to do.

Welcome Matt.

He was 18 when Poch left Southampton. Bit of a straw man argument.

Ah! I was wondering who the fuck Mauricio Pellegrino was.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 01, 2019, 03:50:38 PM
Ah! I was wondering who the fuck Mauricio Pellegrino was.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mauricio_Pellegrino
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Ads on July 01, 2019, 04:00:02 PM
At £11 million for a PL fullback you're almost talking about a bargain in the current loony market.

Concerned about the lack of pace, but Stan Staunton would never have been mistaken for a sprinter. His good qualities (particularly in his first spell) negated the other issues, so hopefully this lad will do the same.

We can only hope. Unlike Staunton, he's had very little experience. We'll need to be patient as he's still work in progress. Let's hope Dean and our coaches can develop the player into a first rate full back, something that Ronald Koeman, Claude Puel, Mauricio Pellegrino, Mark Hughes and Ralph Hassenhutti failed to do.

Welcome Matt.

He was 18 when Poch left Southampton. Bit of a straw man argument.

Luke Shaw had made 25 first team appearances before his 18th birthday. Shaw is two months older than Matt.

So to he clear, Poch couldn't get him to be a first rate full back at 18, so we're to infer that Smith will struggle to get anything out of the now 23 year old. Gotcha.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: paul_e on July 01, 2019, 04:29:00 PM
At £11 million for a PL fullback you're almost talking about a bargain in the current loony market.

Concerned about the lack of pace, but Stan Staunton would never have been mistaken for a sprinter. His good qualities (particularly in his first spell) negated the other issues, so hopefully this lad will do the same.

We can only hope. Unlike Staunton, he's had very little experience. We'll need to be patient as he's still work in progress. Let's hope Dean and our coaches can develop the player into a first rate full back, something that Ronald Koeman, Claude Puel, Mauricio Pellegrino, Mark Hughes and Ralph Hassenhutti failed to do.

Welcome Matt.

He was 18 when Poch left Southampton. Bit of a straw man argument.

Luke Shaw had made 25 first team appearances before his 18th birthday. Shaw is two months older than Matt.

I'm not really sure what relevance that has, Shaw is bigger and faster, at 18 that makes a massive difference. His lack of technical ability and positional sense (along with a couple of injuries) are why it took 4 seasons with united before he was trusted to play regularly. Targett is a very different type of player so judging their progress against each other under the age of 21-22 is pointless.

I don't know how Targett will get on but I wouldn't write him off because he wasn't playing under Poch when he was 18.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: themossman on July 01, 2019, 04:30:14 PM
From my saints supporting mate (pretty knowledgeable fan):

He is worth about 12million, never shown a defensive weakness but not necessarily a big strength either. But attacking is a strength, good crossed and lots of good running. Good team player too but all the players say he is intellectually challenged!
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on July 01, 2019, 04:35:26 PM
At £11 million for a PL fullback you're almost talking about a bargain in the current loony market.

Concerned about the lack of pace, but Stan Staunton would never have been mistaken for a sprinter. His good qualities (particularly in his first spell) negated the other issues, so hopefully this lad will do the same.

We can only hope. Unlike Staunton, he's had very little experience. We'll need to be patient as he's still work in progress. Let's hope Dean and our coaches can develop the player into a first rate full back, something that Ronald Koeman, Claude Puel, Mauricio Pellegrino, Mark Hughes and Ralph Hassenhutti failed to do.

Welcome Matt.

He was 18 when Poch left Southampton. Bit of a straw man argument.

Luke Shaw had made 25 first team appearances before his 18th birthday. Shaw is two months older than Matt.

So to he clear, Poch couldn't get him to be a first rate full back at 18, so we're to infer that Smith will struggle to get anything out of the now 23 year old. Gotcha.
I don't particularly agree with what Rudy is saying, but Southampton have had 5 managers since Poch, so your response doesn't really stack up either.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 01, 2019, 04:52:18 PM
Ah! I was wondering who the fuck Mauricio Pellegrino was.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mauricio_Pellegrino

Right. So why is Ads on about Poch? Iím confused.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on July 01, 2019, 04:53:16 PM
Ah! I was wondering who the fuck Mauricio Pellegrino was.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mauricio_Pellegrino

Right. So why is Ads on about Poch? Iím confused.
I think we all are.  Unless a post has been edited somewhere?
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: paul_e on July 01, 2019, 05:06:47 PM
I don't particularly agree with what Rudy is saying, but Southampton have had 5 managers since Poch, so your response doesn't really stack up either.

True, but they've also had Bertrand who has been on the fringe of the England squad for most of that time.


To have as many appearances as he's had, with a half season loan away suggests Targett was pretty highly rated there for a long time. A five year deal 2 years ago backs that up. Hassenhuttl clearly doesn't like him, which is why he's with us, but I don't think that means all that much as he's the only manager who's been totally against him being there.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: LeeB on July 01, 2019, 05:35:57 PM
It may just be one of those things where they felt they could use the money to reshape the squad in other areas, and as he was in demand it was an easy move.

Like we did in reverse with Crouch many years ago. Hopefully it works out the same way.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on July 01, 2019, 05:41:23 PM
I don't particularly agree with what Rudy is saying, but Southampton have had 5 managers since Poch, so your response doesn't really stack up either.

True, but they've also had Bertrand who has been on the fringe of the England squad for most of that time.


To have as many appearances as he's had, with a half season loan away suggests Targett was pretty highly rated there for a long time. A five year deal 2 years ago backs that up. Hassenhuttl clearly doesn't like him, which is why he's with us, but I don't think that means all that much as he's the only manager who's been totally against him being there.
I'm not making any comment on his abilities - I'm hoping he'll be just fine.

But ADS' facetious comment "So to he clear, Poch couldn't get him to be a first rate full back at 18, so we're to infer that Smith will struggle to get anything out of the now 23 year old. Gotcha" doesn't really respond to the point Rudy was making.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Clampy on July 01, 2019, 06:22:00 PM
Don't know a fat lot about him but welcome. Hope he does well.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: paul_e on July 01, 2019, 06:25:54 PM
I don't particularly agree with what Rudy is saying, but Southampton have had 5 managers since Poch, so your response doesn't really stack up either.

True, but they've also had Bertrand who has been on the fringe of the England squad for most of that time.


To have as many appearances as he's had, with a half season loan away suggests Targett was pretty highly rated there for a long time. A five year deal 2 years ago backs that up. Hassenhuttl clearly doesn't like him, which is why he's with us, but I don't think that means all that much as he's the only manager who's been totally against him being there.
I'm not making any comment on his abilities - I'm hoping he'll be just fine.

But ADS' facetious comment "So to he clear, Poch couldn't get him to be a first rate full back at 18, so we're to infer that Smith will struggle to get anything out of the now 23 year old. Gotcha" doesn't really respond to the point Rudy was making.

Well it does when the comment before it specifically states that Shaw had 25 appearances under poch when he was U18 (I agree that the first comment makes no reference to Poch though). 70 appearances in 4 1/2 seasons, with a fringe England international in front of him isn't evidence that 5 managers didn't rate him, it's evidence of a player who was breaking through until the current manager arrived who decided he didn't want him.

Or, to put it another way, both points are pretty meaningless in terms of deciding how he'll do at Villa. From what I've seen (mostly at Fulham) he'll give us enough going forward to allow our left winger to tuck inside but works back well enough to not see us getting exposed. My very low bar is someone who can cross a moving ball because I'm utterly fed up of seeing Taylor get the ball in space and take 4-5 touches before playing a short pass inside or hitting a stopped ball 5ft over the heads of our players in the box.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on July 01, 2019, 06:29:09 PM
Agreed.  I'm hoping he will be one of the better fullbacks we've had for some time and am looking forward to seeing him.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Damo70 on July 01, 2019, 06:37:38 PM
It appears that his transfer to Villa has given the opportunity for some tabloid newspapers websites to print/post pictures of his girlfriend Jasmine Buckle in her bikini.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Ads on July 01, 2019, 06:41:22 PM
As Poch is the beat manager in the league pound for pound and he managed Southampton while Targett was there, so I referenced him rather than the journeymen quoted.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: manic-road on July 01, 2019, 06:51:11 PM
I don't particularly agree with what Rudy is saying, but Southampton have had 5 managers since Poch, so your response doesn't really stack up either.

True, but they've also had Bertrand who has been on the fringe of the England squad for most of that time.


To have as many appearances as he's had, with a half season loan away suggests Targett was pretty highly rated there for a long time. A five year deal 2 years ago backs that up. Hassenhuttl clearly doesn't like him, which is why he's with us, but I don't think that means all that much as he's the only manager who's been totally against him being there.

When you say the manager clearly doesn't like him, has he told you that himself Paul E? Perhaps they have had discussions and the manager and player have come to an agreement that he could leave to get more playing time. Can't find any quotes from the Southampton manager that he doesn't rate Matt Targett.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 01, 2019, 06:56:47 PM
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It appears that his transfer to Villa has given the opportunity for some tabloid newspapers websites to print/post pictures of his girlfriend Jasmine Buckle in her bikini.

That's appalling frankly, utterly sexist behaviour.

Did you get a glimpse of her snatch?
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 01, 2019, 07:06:09 PM
Pleased with this signing, £11m upfront is modest by current market norms (which are bonkers). He will be a better player than Taylor and we now have two left backs plus Hause to cover.

He will fit Smiths system quite well and he looked good at Fulham. We can't spend huge on every position, this will do fine.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Ads on July 01, 2019, 07:12:53 PM
I dont think it's a case of not being liked, from what I gather they needed to raise funds for a centre half and others. It was either him or Bertrand going.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Risso on July 01, 2019, 07:15:02 PM
I dont think it's a case of not being liked, from what I gather they needed to raise funds for a centre half and others. It was either him or Bertrand going.

That's what a south coast reporter just said on Talksport a few minutes ago.  Not much difference in ability but Targett more valuable due to age, so they sold him, and used the funds to buy Adams.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Ads on July 01, 2019, 07:17:09 PM
I dont think it's a case of not being liked, from what I gather they needed to raise funds for a centre half and others. It was either him or Bertrand going.

That's what a south coast reporter just said on Talksport a few minutes ago.  Not much difference in ability but Targett more valuable due to age, so they sold him, and used the funds to buy Adams.

Good to hear he rates them similarly. I thought Bertrand was a good player for us at first before he was Lamberted.

There's a stat going around that he was the 3rd or 4th most creative full back out of those who made 10 starts or more. We're not going to bore our way to survival.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Risso on July 01, 2019, 07:18:42 PM
I can't understand why anybody isn't pleased this with deal.  We needed an upgrade on Neil Taylor, and now we have one. 
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: john e on July 01, 2019, 07:36:16 PM
I can't understand why anybody isn't pleased this with deal.  We needed an upgrade on Neil Taylor, and now we have one. 

is very simply what I thought too
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: jwarry on July 01, 2019, 07:40:44 PM
Agreed Iím struggling to remember the last time we had a decent LB, Bouma perhaps?
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 01, 2019, 07:59:37 PM
At £11 million for a PL fullback you're almost talking about a bargain in the current loony market.

Concerned about the lack of pace, but Stan Staunton would never have been mistaken for a sprinter. His good qualities (particularly in his first spell) negated the other issues, so hopefully this lad will do the same.

We can only hope. Unlike Staunton, he's had very little experience. We'll need to be patient as he's still work in progress. Let's hope Dean and our coaches can develop the player into a first rate full back, something that Ronald Koeman, Claude Puel, Mauricio Pellegrino, Mark Hughes and Ralph Hassenhutti failed to do.

Welcome Matt.

He was 18 when Poch left Southampton. Bit of a straw man argument.

Luke Shaw had made 25 first team appearances before his 18th birthday. Shaw is two months older than Matt.

So to he clear, Poch couldn't get him to be a first rate full back at 18, so we're to infer that Smith will struggle to get anything out of the now 23 year old. Gotcha.

Stop being so silly.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 01, 2019, 08:14:49 PM
At £11 million for a PL fullback you're almost talking about a bargain in the current loony market.

Concerned about the lack of pace, but Stan Staunton would never have been mistaken for a sprinter. His good qualities (particularly in his first spell) negated the other issues, so hopefully this lad will do the same.

We can only hope. Unlike Staunton, he's had very little experience. We'll need to be patient as he's still work in progress. Let's hope Dean and our coaches can develop the player into a first rate full back, something that Ronald Koeman, Claude Puel, Mauricio Pellegrino, Mark Hughes and Ralph Hassenhutti failed to do.

Welcome Matt.

He was 18 when Poch left Southampton. Bit of a straw man argument.

Luke Shaw had made 25 first team appearances before his 18th birthday. Shaw is two months older than Matt.

I'm not really sure what relevance that has, Shaw is bigger and faster, at 18 that makes a massive difference. His lack of technical ability and positional sense (along with a couple of injuries) are why it took 4 seasons with united before he was trusted to play regularly. Targett is a very different type of player so judging their progress against each other under the age of 21-22 is pointless.

I don't know how Targett will get on but I wouldn't write him off because he wasn't playing under Poch when he was 18.

I would hope Shaw was at least bigger than Targett, what being a centre back. The "relevance" is they were both products of the Saints' youth system, same age, same team, what's interesting is Targett was seen then as the one they expected to be the star. For whatever reason(s) he never took advantage his opportunity when given the chance, Shaw did.

More encouraging and more recent is the glowing references he got from his time at Fulham. Not only did he help them get promoted (what was that mental unbeaten run they went on - 21 games?) they also thought highly enough of him to make a £10m offer to buy him but Southampton wanted £20m.

I'm certainly not writing him off though I do think he's a risk. Sometimes players need to move on from a club they've been at since a kid to improve and develop. I think Targett falls into that category. Time will tell but I wish him every success.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: danno on July 01, 2019, 08:26:21 PM
Is there much disgrace in not being able to dislodge Bertrand ?

Southampton in recent years have been battling relegation, it's understandable they'd want their older heads at the back.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: JJ-AV on July 01, 2019, 08:27:42 PM
Letís just wait and see, his credentials look promising, as did a couple of his highlights on MOTD at the end of the season when he was playing further up the pitch.

Welcome Matt.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: brontebilly on July 01, 2019, 08:28:24 PM
I can't understand why anybody isn't pleased this with deal.  We needed an upgrade on Neil Taylor, and now we have one.

upgrade on Neil Taylor is a very low benchmark to be applying in fairness. Wouldnt mind Hause being our backup left back to be honest and seeing if a championship side (Swansea maybe) might pick up Taylor off us.

Targett's lack of pace is a really worry and has very little experience really. Struggling to get into a rubbish Southampton side doesnt exactly set the pulses racing.

Not impressed with this one I have to say, nor Jota either.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 01, 2019, 08:32:02 PM
I thought Shaw was a left back? And he's half an inch taller than Targett according to Google.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 01, 2019, 08:37:05 PM
I thought Shaw was a left back? And he's half an inch taller than Targett according to Google.

Same size as Jota then?
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: paul_e on July 01, 2019, 09:06:25 PM
I don't particularly agree with what Rudy is saying, but Southampton have had 5 managers since Poch, so your response doesn't really stack up either.

True, but they've also had Bertrand who has been on the fringe of the England squad for most of that time.


To have as many appearances as he's had, with a half season loan away suggests Targett was pretty highly rated there for a long time. A five year deal 2 years ago backs that up. Hassenhuttl clearly doesn't like him, which is why he's with us, but I don't think that means all that much as he's the only manager who's been totally against him being there.

When you say the manager clearly doesn't like him, has he told you that himself Paul E? Perhaps they have had discussions and the manager and player have come to an agreement that he could leave to get more playing time. Can't find any quotes from the Southampton manager that he doesn't rate Matt Targett.

Does "doesn't like enough to keep and sell Bertrand instead" or "doesn't like enough to not consider expendable" cover it better? I think he's wrong and that he'll do well for us but this deal just doesn't scream that they're reluctant to see him leave and with him getting 20ish games for them last year I'm not sure he'd have been pushing for a move either. There was also a comment earlier in the thread that suggested Hussenhattl thought he was too weak and slow.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: rougegorge on July 01, 2019, 09:10:13 PM
Is there much disgrace in not being able to dislodge Bertrand ?

Southampton in recent years have been battling relegation, it's understandable they'd want their older heads at the back.
I just hope he's better than the Bertrand we saw a few years ago at VP.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Zouch Villa on July 01, 2019, 09:15:15 PM
I know nothing about the lad, but gives me an excuse to post this:

https://vimeo.com/8663142

Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: FatSam on July 01, 2019, 10:26:11 PM
This signing reminds me of when Brian Little bought Alan Wright. I wasnít really aware of him before we signed him, as he was playing second fiddle to Graeme Le Saux at Blackburn. I used to love having him and Gary Charles as wing backs. His goal at WHL was truly stunning. Hopefully Targett will be as good a signing as Wright.

I realise that, like an old bastard, I have just used a vague similitude to reminisce about something from my youth.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: eamonn on July 01, 2019, 10:31:51 PM
Multiple Saints "sources" stating he's as thick as pigshit, maybe they're just sore that they've lost their nice but dim one.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Ads on July 01, 2019, 11:08:03 PM
Well he looked a nice lad with his parents, partner and Deano before. Sort of young man you'd let your daughter out with.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: CpF on July 01, 2019, 11:33:27 PM
Appalling interview on the OS, like the interviewer is teeing him up to make constipated-sounding "massive club" quotes. It doesn't have to be this way.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: KRS on July 01, 2019, 11:48:32 PM
Welcome to Aston Villa Matt. I donít know if youíre any good or if youíre genuinely thick as fuck...but please give your everything and donít be shite.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: robbo1874 on July 02, 2019, 02:36:23 AM
Appalling interview on the OS, like the interviewer is teeing him up to make constipated-sounding "massive club" quotes. It doesn't have to be this way.
i was waiting for the interviewer to ask him what heíd had for his tea
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 02, 2019, 02:54:49 AM
Our interviews are horrible to listen to. I gave it a shot and lasted a minute or so. Syrupy bollocks.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 02, 2019, 07:20:14 AM
We're a massive club though. And Dean Smith? Working under him will be great won't it? I was going to ask you that next actually -
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on July 02, 2019, 08:07:11 AM
I agree.  It's getting a bit ridiculous now - the brief is make sure they say massive club, great history fantastic fans.  I really hope if we get Kalvin Phillips he doesn't keep pumping him to say how excited he is to be at such a massive club with such great fans as I think it would make him very uncomfortable coming from Leeds.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: kieron on July 02, 2019, 08:14:43 AM
Massive club
Great set of lads
Huge fan base
I wanted to be a part of what the manager is doing here
Great history
Can't wait to get started
Fantastic stadium
Back to where this club belongs

We really should move away from this wank style of questioning meaning we always get the above set of standard bingo answers. It's absolutely shite and a waste of their 'effort' producing the interviews.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: phantom limb on July 02, 2019, 08:32:11 AM
Isnít this just about the case for every footballer interview ever though? Itís rare that you get someone who says what they really think, and the ones that do tend to get negative press from newspapers/fans, so you can see why most would avoid it.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 02, 2019, 08:34:58 AM
I agree.  It's getting a bit ridiculous now - the brief is make sure they say massive club, great history fantastic fans.  I really hope if we get Kalvin Phillips he doesn't keep pumping him to say how excited he is to be at such a massive club with such great fans as I think it would make him very uncomfortable coming from Leeds.

Leeds are a big club, but we are bigger in every comparable way. We are also not notorious for having some of the worst behaved fans in the country and for allegedly not winning in the 'right way' during our most successful period. So he could say it and if it makes him feel a bit more comfortable he could put a little side note in that he cherished his time playing for another big English club. Personally though, i probably won't watch it either way as it will just be like watching all of the other new player interviews and will probably send me to sleep after 60 seconds, as others have said.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Ads on July 02, 2019, 08:35:36 AM
Are you expecting and Andrew Neil style grilling? Maybe a tearful confession of some traumatic event that drives him?

It's the same stuff up and down the land. A fluff piece.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Stu on July 02, 2019, 08:39:00 AM
So, Matt, could you give us your thoughts and criticisms on Descartes 'Discourse on the method'?

How do you see it's points as applying to a football philosophy? Is such a thing possible?

Discuss.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Ads on July 02, 2019, 08:42:30 AM
I agree.  It's getting a bit ridiculous now - the brief is make sure they say massive club, great history fantastic fans.  I really hope if we get Kalvin Phillips he doesn't keep pumping him to say how excited he is to be at such a massive club with such great fans as I think it would make him very uncomfortable coming from Leeds.

Leeds are a big club, but we are bigger in every comparable way. We are also not notorious for having some of the worst behaved fans in the country and for allegedly not winning in the 'right way' during our most successful period. So he could say it and if it makes him feel a bit more comfortable he could put a little side note in that he cherished his time playing for another big English club. Personally though, i probably won't watch it either way as it will just be like watching all of the other new player interviews and will probably send me to sleep after 60 seconds, as others have said.

Exactly. There's no comparison to be made between us and Leeds. They're not even remotely as big or successful. They're where they belong.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on July 02, 2019, 08:45:02 AM
I agree.  It's getting a bit ridiculous now - the brief is make sure they say massive club, great history fantastic fans.  I really hope if we get Kalvin Phillips he doesn't keep pumping him to say how excited he is to be at such a massive club with such great fans as I think it would make him very uncomfortable coming from Leeds.

Leeds are a big club, but we are bigger in every comparable way. We are also not notorious for having some of the worst behaved fans in the country and for allegedly not winning in the 'right way' during our most successful period. So he could say it and if it makes him feel a bit more comfortable he could put a little side note in that he cherished his time playing for another big English club. Personally though, i probably won't watch it either way as it will just be like watching all of the other new player interviews and will probably send me to sleep after 60 seconds, as others have said.
You've missed the point though.  A player who is a life long Leeds fan won't want to say this and fans of the club won't want to hear it.  It would be like Grealish going to Liverpool and being forced to bang on about what a huge club they are - it's unnecessary and just rubs salt in the wound all round.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Ads on July 02, 2019, 08:51:00 AM
Dont talk soft. I'm Villa mental, but if somebody bigger than us was going to be trippling my wages I'd have no qualms of telling the truth about joining another club.

It's not like he's a teenager being forced to go to his grandmothers for Sunday lunch. The player likely wants the move.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 02, 2019, 08:52:51 AM
It seems a bit of a mental thing to get yourself into a state over. A player is hardly going to come in and say "didn't even know where Aston was, but they have offered me a pay increase and the missus says there are lots of fancy shops in a place called the Mailbox so this will do for now".
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 02, 2019, 08:53:55 AM
I agree.  It's getting a bit ridiculous now - the brief is make sure they say massive club, great history fantastic fans.  I really hope if we get Kalvin Phillips he doesn't keep pumping him to say how excited he is to be at such a massive club with such great fans as I think it would make him very uncomfortable coming from Leeds.

Leeds are a big club, but we are bigger in every comparable way. We are also not notorious for having some of the worst behaved fans in the country and for allegedly not winning in the 'right way' during our most successful period. So he could say it and if it makes him feel a bit more comfortable he could put a little side note in that he cherished his time playing for another big English club. Personally though, i probably won't watch it either way as it will just be like watching all of the other new player interviews and will probably send me to sleep after 60 seconds, as others have said.
You've missed the point though.  A player who is a life long Leeds fan won't want to say this and fans of the club won't want to hear it.  It would be like Grealish going to Liverpool and being forced to bang on about what a huge club they are - it's unnecessary and just rubs salt in the wound all round.

I agree with you Chris, if any player wants to say these things about Villa unprompted then I'm delighted to hear it, but I don't need to hear platitudes about the club that might as well have been thrown up on a vidiprompter for someone to read off. As you say, it's even worse when the player is clearly uncomfortable in the moment.

There's plenty of other questions to ask if he ends up signing for us. I'd go a bit cheeky with it personally. "You'll have seen the passion of the players, the fans, the manager and coaching staff first-hand last season - were you surprised to get the call, and what does it mean to be signing for a Premier League club after the rollercoaster season you've had?"
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Ads on July 02, 2019, 08:56:23 AM
Easy there Paxman.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 02, 2019, 09:02:27 AM
Easy there Paxman.

Well I'd prefer that over the usual nonsense, might aswell tease out some personality and character from the new signings or else what's the point. Do it well or don't do it at all. Targett looked like he'd rather be anywhere else in the world than sitting on that chair talking to that eejit, so I'd rather see the interviewers have a bit of fun with it. Generally someone who isn't completely out of their depth asking questions will be able to toe the line appropriately while raising the mood a little bit. I mean it's not rocket science either is it
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: mike on July 02, 2019, 09:19:39 AM
Maybe Tyrone's will be along the lines of 'the missus thinks Birmingham is a bit of a shit hole but I talked her into it.'
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on July 02, 2019, 09:45:10 AM
It seems a bit of a mental thing to get yourself into a state over. A player is hardly going to come in and say "didn't even know where Aston was, but they have offered me a pay increase and the missus says there are lots of fancy shops in a place called the Mailbox so this will do for now".
I'm not in a state over it I'm simply commenting on a forum post that someone else has raised that I happen to agree with.

And why is everything so black and white with you?  So either a player has to fawn over a club in an entirely insincere way or be massively disrespectful?  You seriously can't envisage somewhere between these two poles? 
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Stu on July 02, 2019, 09:48:10 AM
I'm not mad, you're mad. Classic.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 02, 2019, 09:52:39 AM
It's all part of the 'game' around transfers, isn't it?

Yadayada massive club, great history, great fans, nice shirts, lovely badge, cool ground, yaaawwwwn.

Just ignore it.

I can't believe anyone watches OS interviews expecting to hear anything illuminating.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 02, 2019, 09:55:50 AM
It's all part of the 'game' around transfers, isn't it?

Yadayada massive club, great history, great fans, nice shirts, lovely badge, cool ground, yaaawwwwn.

Just ignore it.

I can't believe anyone watches OS interviews expecting to hear anything illuminating.



just once you would love to hear the player call the previous manager an arsehole for not picking him
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 02, 2019, 10:16:15 AM
It seems a bit of a mental thing to get yourself into a state over. A player is hardly going to come in and say "didn't even know where Aston was, but they have offered me a pay increase and the missus says there are lots of fancy shops in a place called the Mailbox so this will do for now".
I'm not in a state over it I'm simply commenting on a forum post that someone else has raised that I happen to agree with.

And why is everything so black and white with you?  So either a player has to fawn over a club in an entirely insincere way or be massively disrespectful?  You seriously can't envisage somewhere between these two poles?

You do sound a bit in a state, to be honest...
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: in exile on July 02, 2019, 10:17:27 AM
Grow up, the pair of you
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 02, 2019, 10:45:38 AM
It's all part of the 'game' around transfers, isn't it?

Yadayada massive club, great history, great fans, nice shirts, lovely badge, cool ground, yaaawwwwn.

Just ignore it.

I can't believe anyone watches OS interviews expecting to hear anything illuminating.


Pick questions from Off Topic on here, I'm sure we'd get more insight into someone's character from "Who's the last celebrity you saw, and were they any good", "Weather", and "Three word chain story" than we do from the banalities they currently get asked.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: AV82EC on July 02, 2019, 10:48:09 AM
Iíd buy that internal club interviewer a copy of Richard Herrings Emergency Questions.

Have you ever seen a ghost?

Whatís the strangest thing youíve found in the embers of a bonfire?

Would you prefer a hand made out of ham or an armpit that dispensed sun lotion?

Much more interesting.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: mike on July 02, 2019, 10:53:09 AM
I think we should do a version of the Peoples Front of Judea 'Romans' test.

Q Listen. If you wanted to join Aston Villa you'd have to really hate the Blues.

A I do!

Q Oh, yeah? How much?

A A lot!

Q Right. You're in.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: darren woolley on July 02, 2019, 12:02:43 PM
Welcome to Aston Villa Matt let's hope we have some Matt finish this season I'll get my coat.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Border villan on July 02, 2019, 12:16:04 PM
Welcome to Aston Villa Matt let's hope we have some Matt finish this season I'll get my coat.
No need to start getting all emulsional.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on July 02, 2019, 12:22:07 PM
Welcome to Aston Villa Matt let's hope we have some Matt finish this season I'll get my coat.
No need to start getting all emulsional.
I'll gloss over that comment!
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Border villan on July 02, 2019, 12:44:52 PM
Welcome to Aston Villa Matt let's hope we have some Matt finish this season I'll get my coat.
No need to start getting all emulsional.
I'll gloss over that comment!
This is like walking on eggshell(s) 😇
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 02, 2019, 12:58:42 PM
Why are people priming these set ups?

Roller on the next signing we can coverall
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Axl Rose on July 02, 2019, 01:17:58 PM
We're definitely doing more than just (wall) papering over the cracks with this signing.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Border villan on July 02, 2019, 01:19:32 PM
We're definitely doing more than just (wall) papering over the cracks with this signing.
Should be able to brush off a number of teams.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: stuart r on July 02, 2019, 01:21:21 PM
He's what we need. Will stay out on the left ploughing his own furrow and ball player to boot.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: UK Redsox on July 02, 2019, 01:27:44 PM
Iíd buy that internal club interviewer a copy of Richard Herrings Emergency Questions.

Have you ever seen a ghost?

Whatís the strangest thing youíve found in the embers of a bonfire?

Would you prefer a hand made out of ham or an armpit that dispensed sun lotion?

Much more interesting.

RHLSTP......rhlstp
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: darren woolley on July 02, 2019, 01:31:27 PM
Welcome to Aston Villa Matt let's hope we have some Matt finish this season I'll get my coat.
No need to start getting all emulsional.

Love it lol.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Luke8 on September 28, 2019, 08:05:34 PM
Thought it was a promising first league appearance, playing his part in a good first half performance today. Him going off injured certainly wasnít helpful, compounded by Taylor having his worse game of the season.

Hopefully just a case of not being up to speed/fully fit from his first injury rather than being a bit injury prone.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Bobby Boy on September 28, 2019, 08:15:20 PM
Thought it was a promising first league appearance, playing his part in a good first half performance today. Him going off injured certainly wasnít helpful, compounded by Taylor having his worse game of the season.

Hopefully just a case of not being up to speed/fully fit from his first injury rather than being a bit injury prone.

Yes, it was really encouraging to see him so far up the pitch and offering an attacking threat. A clear upgrade on Neil Taylor for that alone.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: mr underhill on September 28, 2019, 08:41:04 PM
he was highly instrumental in the build up to SJM's first goal. I like him.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on September 29, 2019, 10:52:30 AM
I think he had cramp so should be ok.
I thought he did well and an improvement on Taylor.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 29, 2019, 09:09:26 PM
I think heíll be good.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: AVH87 on September 29, 2019, 09:28:36 PM
I think he had cramp so should be ok.
I thought he did well and an improvement on Taylor.

Where did you hear cramp? I'm hoping that's all it is as we need him next weekend.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 29, 2019, 09:42:32 PM
DS said in his post match interview "I thought Matt Targett played really well. He felt his other hamstring. We're hoping it's cramp more than anything else."
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: olaftab on September 29, 2019, 09:57:04 PM
The lad was good however only about 100% improvement on Taylor. Did anyone notice his little play at halfway line  that led to VAR disallowed goal?
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: PeterWithe on September 29, 2019, 10:04:23 PM
I didnít think he was any more than adequate in his general play but what did impress me were the forward positions he took up, it meant we had width and numbers much higher up the field than we have had previously.

Promising.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: tomd2103 on September 29, 2019, 10:17:27 PM
I didnít think he was any more than adequate in his general play but what did impress me were the forward positions he took up, it meant we had width and numbers much higher up the field than we have had previously.

Promising.

If Grealish is going to be used in that more advanced role, then it is key we have a full back on that side who can make those overlapping runs and put a decent ball into the box. 
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: themossman on September 29, 2019, 10:22:07 PM
Yeah. I donít think targett is a particularly great player but heís the right type of player to help Smith set the team up the way he wants which goes a long way. We looked a lot better with him on the pitch.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Luke8 on September 29, 2019, 10:30:36 PM
Agreed. Think it is key to the way that Dean Smith wants to play that we have two good attacking outlets from full back.

Was a lovely cross for McGinns header in the first couple of minutes as well.

Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: eamonn on September 29, 2019, 11:17:47 PM
The lad was good however only about 100% improvement on Taylor. Did anyone notice his little play at halfway line  that led to VAR disallowed goal?

No. Please describe.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 30, 2019, 12:09:00 AM
The lad was good however only about 100% improvement on Taylor. Did anyone notice his little play at halfway line  that led to VAR disallowed goal?

No. Please describe.

He beat two players having received the ball from Marvelous. In fairness he got a bit lucky but it was a nice bit of play overall. Heís a massive upgrade and 3 inches taller which leads me to believe outside of basic ability he would have defended their first and second goals better than Taylor did.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: paul_e on September 30, 2019, 10:34:43 AM
I'm really glad Targett is breaking into the team now, a couple of changes (Luiz for Houri and Trez for AEG) and I think we're at our strongest side now. I'd play Mcginn on the right cutting in and Trez on the left cutting in, get the fullbacks bombing forward to provide width and crossing and then have Jack in a free role as an 8 with Luiz and Nakamba sitting in behind as defensive cover and to get the ball from the defense to Jack so he doesn't come too deep. We couldn't play that way with Taylor in the team because he just isn't a good enough crosser and can't get up and down the pitch well enough so he is always 10-20 yards behind play.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on September 30, 2019, 10:37:19 AM
Thought he looked very tidy.

Worried by how easily he gets twinges and knocks - he's only been with us since the summer and that's two hamstring injuries with just 60 odd minutes of League football under his belt.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Luke8 on September 30, 2019, 10:54:51 AM
Might just be a case of him starting two games in four days, having only played forty minutes of football in near enough two months before that.

Donít think it was a problem at Southampton last season or Fulham before that, so hopefully not a major concern.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Risso on September 30, 2019, 11:10:51 AM
My worry with Targett is that he was an "obvious" transfer target (sorry) like Nicky Shorey was under O'Neill. An English left back with a reputation for playing decent football that a few other teams were sniffing around, who then turns out to be desperately disappointing.  I really hope this isn't the case, but a £14m player taking this long to dislodge the extremely average Neil Taylor isn't a great sign.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: ROBBO on September 30, 2019, 11:15:59 AM
He was a definite upgrade and we are left to wonder why he was left out for so long when he went off his replacement was dreadful.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Luke8 on September 30, 2019, 11:18:14 AM
He was injured for the previous 2/3 games prior to Saturday, so it took him three games (where Taylor played reasonably well) to take his place.

I Smithís logic behind starting Taylor the season as left back was to do with keeping some consistency within a new team, given he played the last half of the previous season next to Mings and behind El Ghazi.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Chris Smith on September 30, 2019, 11:18:22 AM
My worry with Targett is that he was an "obvious" transfer target (sorry) like Nicky Shorey was under O'Neill. An English left back with a reputation for playing decent football that a few other teams were sniffing around, who then turns out to be desperately disappointing.  I really hope this isn't the case, but a £14m player taking this long to dislodge the extremely average Neil Taylor isn't a great sign.

Isnít a large part of the reason heís taken so long to get into the team because heís been injured and in the meantime Taylor has performed well? Making signings just because they appear obvious doesnít appear to be a Smith trait based on business so far so probably more likely that he rates him.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: darren woolley on September 30, 2019, 03:13:12 PM
I thought he played well until his injury forced him off hope it's nothing serious.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 30, 2019, 03:50:29 PM
I didnít think he was any more than adequate in his general play but what did impress me were the forward positions he took up, it meant we had width and numbers much higher up the field than we have had previously.

Promising.

Agreed. He was rarely tested defensively which is ideal when you're making your home debut. In front of him both Conor and Jack were busy and helped out a lot, a massive improvement on the left side (compared to Taylor/AEG) which allowed him to advance every now and then. His determined run leading to the VAR goal was great to see. He can also swing a decent cross.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Vill I An on October 21, 2019, 03:38:31 PM
The free kick attempt he had was woeful but he's up in the penalty box in the 94 minute and lashed home the winner !! The clear value of an attacking left back.
Attacking wise he's a udder of fresh milk !
As we know Taylor short comings in his attacking forrays .

By all accounts defensively Targett wasn't brilliant and will likely have a torrid time in defense next Saturday against Man city.
However it's the right side of the fullback and position that is more concerning regards chances given up and that Guilbert despite many good things is found wanting both in positioning and being beaten or preventing crosses.

But what I enjoy about Targett is his movement forward and his providing of opportunities in his crosses , which though mixed, is offering an attacking contribution .
Brilliant goal and I can't help thinking what Tayls would have done in the 94th min.
But I think he wouldn't even be in the pen box!
Well done Matty ! Hopefully he stays fit and can actually be a contender for England left back once as he develops
Has all the attributes!
Great signing!
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Axl Rose on October 21, 2019, 03:43:08 PM
An udder of fresh milk. Haha.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: purpletrousers on October 21, 2019, 03:45:19 PM
The free kick attempt he had was woeful but he's up in the penalty box in the 94 minute and lashed home the winner !! The clear value of an attacking left back.
Attacking wise he's a udder of fresh milk !
As we know Taylor short comings in his attacking forrays .

By all accounts defensively Targett wasn't brilliant and will likely have a torrid time in defense next Saturday against Man city.
However it's the right side of the fullback and position that is more concerning regards chances given up and that Guilbert despite many good things is found wanting both in positioning and being beaten or preventing crosses.

But what I enjoy about Targett is his movement forward and his providing of opportunities in his crosses , which though mixed, is offering an attacking contribution .
Brilliant goal and I can't help thinking what Tayls would have done in the 94th min.
But I think he wouldn't even be in the pen box!
Well done Matty ! Hopefully he stays fit and can actually be a contender for England left back once as he develops
Has all the attributes!
Great signing!


Not having a pop, genuine question, Iím curious if are you basing your analysis of both full backs on having watched the whole game? (Just the the Ďby all accountsí suggests maybe not, and seems a very full opinion if you didnít?) Not suggesting itís not necessarily valid either.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Risso on October 21, 2019, 04:26:25 PM
He was mostly crap on Saturday in an all round play sort of way, but he does get forward to join in attacks.  He's got an assist and a goal in his last two games, which will do for from a left back. I'm certain his general play will improve once he's fully up to speed, and then we'll have a very good player on our hands.  As john e rightly said earlier, the days of the likes of Taylor "not doing much wrong" are hopefully behind us.  I'd be getting Hause on the bench now, because he seemed to like going forward as well.  I hope that Taylor isn't picked against Man City for supposedly being better defensively.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Vill I An on October 21, 2019, 04:29:00 PM
Yes I saw whole game .
And I was also talking generally regards right side issues.
That I stats based and also from observations and know hows.
Excuse my English. I felt by all accounts covered it. But I understand why you may ask as it may have been garbles .
The issue the full backs can have is thw lack of support or tracking back by wide forwards.
Targett gave ball away a few times and actually did a foul which wasn't given them Hourihane is booked for a fine tackle.
Did one good ball cross in and was strugglings few time defending
Anyway I like Targett he's a real attacking fullback and Guilbert too who reminds me of  Kyle Walmart
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Risso on October 21, 2019, 04:37:38 PM
Kyle Walmart!! 😂
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Chris Smith on October 21, 2019, 05:18:06 PM
Kyle Walmart!! 😂

That Asda be the best auto correct ever.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: kieron on October 21, 2019, 05:41:51 PM
https://www.walmart.com/store/4130/kyle-tx
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Risso on October 21, 2019, 05:45:13 PM
https://www.walmart.com/store/4130/kyle-tx

When on holiday in America, I like to walk around a Walmart taking photos of all the products called "cream pie" eg

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Yoplait-Light-Boston-Cream-Pie-Fat-Free-Yogurt-6-Oz/10320986

A man's got to have a hobby.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: tomd2103 on October 21, 2019, 11:19:43 PM
Still probably not fully fit just yet.  Reminds me a bit of Lowton when he was with us.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: wittonwarrior on October 22, 2019, 04:18:55 AM
So want him to be the man but was way short on Saturday bar the goal of course. Would play Taylor or hause at city
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on October 23, 2019, 04:13:10 PM
So want him to be the man but was way short on Saturday bar the goal of course. Would play Taylor or hause at city

Neil Taylor? Against Manchester City? What are you smoking?

The last game Neil Taylor played for us was his substitute appearance vs Burnley when he came on for Targett around the 62 minute mark. 5 minutes later he was culpable for their first goal via some terrible marking against Rodriguez who out-muscled him as if he were a schoolboy to head home. He was culpable again for their second when Lowton made him look a mug and crossed the ball as if he weren't even there for Wood for finish off.

If he can't defend against the likes of Rodriguez and Lowton he will get eaten alive by the quality of City's attack. The same might happen to Targett for all I know, but at least he won't look like one of the chuckle brothers in possession.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Risso on October 23, 2019, 04:16:20 PM
So want him to be the man but was way short on Saturday bar the goal of course. Would play Taylor or hause at city

Neil Taylor? Against Manchester City? What are you smoking?

The last game Neil Taylor played for us was his substitute appearance vs Burnley when he came on for Targett around the 62 minute mark. 5 minutes later he was culpable for their first goal via some terrible marking against Rodriguez who out-muscled him as if he were a schoolboy to head home. He was culpable again for their second when Lowton made him look a mug and crossed the ball as if he weren't even there for Wood for finish off.

If he can't defend against the likes of Rodriguez and Lowton he will get eaten alive by the quality of City's attack. The same might happen to Targett for all I know, but at least he won't look like one of the chuckle brothers in possession.

Agreed, on top of which Hause hasn't even been in the squad at all this season.  I'm more than happy with the way Targett is progressing, and I think his introduction to the squad has really helped Grealish flourish.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: paul_e on October 23, 2019, 05:31:59 PM
So want him to be the man but was way short on Saturday bar the goal of course. Would play Taylor or hause at city

Neil Taylor? Against Manchester City? What are you smoking?

The last game Neil Taylor played for us was his substitute appearance vs Burnley when he came on for Targett around the 62 minute mark. 5 minutes later he was culpable for their first goal via some terrible marking against Rodriguez who out-muscled him as if he were a schoolboy to head home. He was culpable again for their second when Lowton made him look a mug and crossed the ball as if he weren't even there for Wood for finish off.

If he can't defend against the likes of Rodriguez and Lowton he will get eaten alive by the quality of City's attack. The same might happen to Targett for all I know, but at least he won't look like one of the chuckle brothers in possession.

Agreed, on top of which Hause hasn't even been in the squad at all this season.  I'm more than happy with the way Targett is progressing, and I think his introduction to the squad has really helped Grealish flourish.

We just look a better team in general and it's in small part down to the fact that teams can't just ignore our fullbacks getting the ball. Throwing that away on the basis that Taylor is a marginally better defender is the sort of thinking that saw Bruce still getting support right up until he got his P45.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: eamonn on October 23, 2019, 09:58:58 PM
Hause must be wondering why he's swapped Wolves bench for not even getting on ours. I know it's a squad game but LB is his best chance of a run in the team so if Targett struggling defensively is a recurring theme, I'd want Kourtney to get a chance in a few weeks time.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Luke8 on October 23, 2019, 10:18:50 PM
To be fair, he wasnít actually getting in their team in their last season in the Championship either.

I think he is probably viewed predominantly as a centre back by Dean Smith now anyway. He played his part in our winning streak there last season and has played both cup games in that position. Iím not sure he offers enough going forward to play as a premier league full back either.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: brontebilly on October 23, 2019, 10:37:42 PM
To be fair, he wasnít actually getting in their team in their last season in the Championship either.

I think he is probably viewed predominantly as a centre back by Dean Smith now anyway. He played his part in our winning streak there last season and has played both cup games in that position. Iím not sure he offers enough going forward to play as a premier league full back either.

Hause offers presence though, particularly in the air. We are very vulnerable from set pieces with our first choice eleven. Wouldn't rule him out seeing game time at left back or cover for Mings.

Neil Taylor was nowhere near good enough for the championship, defensively or attacking. I'm not sure what came over Smith to make him first choice starting this season, the kind of decision Bruce or McLeish might have made and got dogs abuse for. Having Targett's ability on the ball on our left side has made us a much more coherent attacking force.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Luke8 on October 23, 2019, 10:53:58 PM
I know itís very simplistic terms to look at it in, but Brightonís was the first goal we have conceded indirectly from a free kick/corner wasnít it?

Hause  definitely has useful attributes but I donít think they really fit into how Dean Smith wants his fullbacks to play. I donít think itís unrelated that we are unbeaten since Targett and Guilbert were in the staring XI together.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Drummond on October 24, 2019, 11:12:21 AM
Neil Taylor was nowhere near good enough for the championship, defensively or attacking. I'm not sure what came over Smith to make him first choice starting this season, the kind of decision Bruce or McLeish might have made and got dogs abuse for. Having Targett's ability on the ball on our left side has made us a much more coherent attacking force.

Because he did well there?
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Drummond on November 26, 2019, 11:32:54 AM
Did well again last night, his overlaps are definitely creating space for Grealish and their link-up play has been a real positive.

He puked last night didn't he? Was he ill or get a punch to the throat or something?
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: brentastonb6 on November 26, 2019, 11:37:01 AM
Did well again last night, his overlaps are definitely creating space for Grealish and their link-up play has been a real positive.

He puked last night didn't he? Was he ill or get a punch to the throat or something?
Think I read he took a knock to the throat .
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Risso on November 26, 2019, 12:07:07 PM
He was night and day better last night than he was against Wolves.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Deano's Mullet on November 26, 2019, 04:42:14 PM
He was like a winger at times last night. Steve Staunton-esque the way he kept getting out onto the wing.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: tomd2103 on November 26, 2019, 04:52:53 PM
Did well again last night, his overlaps are definitely creating space for Grealish and their link-up play has been a real positive.

He puked last night didn't he? Was he ill or get a punch to the throat or something?

Thought he was a lot better.  Puked right by where I was sitting and made me feel queasy the rest of the game!!  It was projectile sick so guessing illness!!
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 26, 2019, 04:58:45 PM
He was night and day better last night than he was against Wolves.

True but last night, defensively and to my great surprise, he had very little to do. Pre-match I was very concerned he'd be up against Saint-Maxmin. Fortunately Bruce had him up against Freddie who could cope with his speed. As Mr Mullet says, Targett was allowed to get forward throughout the game, possibly because Newcastle were more concerned with Jack playing on the left.

It was an ideal game for Targett but away from home against stronger sides, I'd be tempted to bring in the superior defensive qualities of Taylor. All that said, Targett looked the business last night and seems to finally fitting in.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Goldie.7 on December 10, 2019, 07:49:00 PM
How this idiot only got a yellow card for this disgraceful tackle (https://streamable.com/ortd7) is beyond belief.

He should have received a straight red card. Further proof that VAR is a load of shit.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: LeeB on December 10, 2019, 07:51:00 PM
How this idiot only got a yellow card for this disgraceful tackle (https://streamable.com/ortd7) is beyond belief.

He should have received a straight red card. Further proof that VAR is a load of shit.

Are you absolutely sure you support Villa mate? Because you seem to fucking moan a lot about us.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 10, 2019, 07:58:52 PM
How this idiot only got a yellow card for this disgraceful tackle (https://streamable.com/ortd7) is beyond belief.

He should have received a straight red card. Further proof that VAR is a load of shit.

Disgraceful, my arse.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 10, 2019, 07:59:46 PM
It was a poor tackle and I doubt many would have complained about a red for it but your post is just a tad OTT.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Goldie.7 on December 10, 2019, 08:07:16 PM
It was a poor tackle and I doubt many would have complained about a red for it but your post is just a tad OTT.

Not really. I'm watching the game back now and it's worse than I thought it was.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Goldie.7 on December 10, 2019, 08:10:07 PM
How this idiot only got a yellow card for this disgraceful tackle (https://streamable.com/ortd7) is beyond belief.

He should have received a straight red card. Further proof that VAR is a load of shit.

Disgraceful, my arse.

If any of our players were on the receiving end of that we'd be fuming, don't lie to yourself.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Diablo on December 10, 2019, 08:10:20 PM
Gotta say it was a very poor challenge. Ricardo was a pain all game (from our perspective) and there was definite needle between him and Jack too (especially after the penalty claim).
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: TheMalandro on December 10, 2019, 08:36:12 PM
Horrible tackle, red card for me. VAR looked at it, so I got it wrong.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: OCD on December 10, 2019, 08:58:21 PM
Nah, clear cut yellow card. He's in more pain from landing on the track around the side of the pitch.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Clark W Griswold on December 10, 2019, 09:09:40 PM
How this idiot only got a yellow card for this disgraceful tackle (https://streamable.com/ortd7) is beyond belief.

He should have received a straight red card. Further proof that VAR is a load of shit.

Disgraceful, my arse.

Mine too, especially if Iíve had too much fruit.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Clampy on December 10, 2019, 09:12:59 PM
Yes, it was a poor tackle and luckily he only got a yellow. Nothing else to be said really.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on December 11, 2019, 12:26:44 AM
It was a poor tackle and I doubt many would have complained about a red for it but your post is just a tad OTT.

Not really. I'm watching the game back now and it's worse than I thought it was.

The fact that you're "watching the game back" when we lost four one is probably going to confirm a lot of opinions about you...

The tackle was borderline yellow/red, to be fair. But I think your post just drifted into hysterical, as usual.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Goldie.7 on December 11, 2019, 12:51:59 AM
It was a poor tackle and I doubt many would have complained about a red for it but your post is just a tad OTT.

Not really. I'm watching the game back now and it's worse than I thought it was.

The fact that you're "watching the game back" when we lost four one is probably going to confirm a lot of opinions about you...

You know what they say about opinions and arseholes..?

I watch all the games back - win, lose or draw.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Clampy on December 11, 2019, 07:00:25 AM
It was a poor tackle and I doubt many would have complained about a red for it but your post is just a tad OTT.

Not really. I'm watching the game back now and it's worse than I thought it was.

The fact that you're "watching the game back" when we lost four one is probably going to confirm a lot of opinions about you...

The tackle was borderline yellow/red, to be fair. But I think your post just drifted into hysterical, as usual.

In fairness, we don't play again until Saturday. He has to have something to moan about in the meantime.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: paul_e on December 11, 2019, 07:39:12 AM
It was clearly a yellow, yes his foot was raised but it was across the front of the player rather than into him and was him trying to get a flick on the ball in passing. If you give that as a red then you could give 2-3 a game. Both the ref and VAR official looked at and agreed with that.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Risso on December 11, 2019, 08:03:27 AM
Definite red. Horrendous tackle.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Nelly on December 11, 2019, 10:13:07 AM
Should have been a red in my opinion, that was an awful 'tackle'. He catches their player on the calf/shin - midway up his lower leg.

I still to this day hate Carlos Bocanegra for ruining Mark Delaney's career.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on December 11, 2019, 10:17:46 AM
On a side note I never have time to watch games back.  And I certainly never watch a game back when weíve lost 4-1.  I do still occasionally watch Tranmere at home again though.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on December 11, 2019, 10:41:47 AM
Horrendous tackle and a straight red all day long. Must say it didn't look as bad sitting in the crowd, but a lot of things don't - barring the overall performance.

We sure seem to like a Left-Back with a vicious tackle in his repertoire.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: UK Redsox on December 11, 2019, 11:01:40 AM
Definite red. Horrendous tackle.

I've just watched if for the first time and agree, definite Red.

If VAR was used then VAR was wrong
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: danno on December 11, 2019, 12:18:06 PM
May be remembering this wrong but didn't Targett take real exception to a tackle on him in the first half? I think he issued a receipt.

He'd have had no complaints if it was a red. Although I'm not really sure what the fuss is about, him and Ricardo will have shaken hands at the end of the game and moved on. It's not ballet.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: hilts_coolerking on December 11, 2019, 01:06:38 PM
Yep, red for me too.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on December 11, 2019, 01:14:17 PM
May be remembering this wrong but didn't Targett take real exception to a tackle on him in the first half? I think he issued a receipt.

He'd have had no complaints if it was a red. Although I'm not really sure what the fuss is about, him and Ricardo will have shaken hands at the end of the game and moved on. It's not ballet.

Nor is it UFC. I don't know about you, but I don't enjoy seeing players getting their legs broken.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: LeeB on December 11, 2019, 01:27:06 PM
May be remembering this wrong but didn't Targett take real exception to a tackle on him in the first half? I think he issued a receipt.

He'd have had no complaints if it was a red. Although I'm not really sure what the fuss is about, him and Ricardo will have shaken hands at the end of the game and moved on. It's not ballet.

Nor is it UFC. I don't know about you, but I don't enjoy seeing players getting their legs broken.

And nobody had their legs broken.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Hookeysmith on December 11, 2019, 01:27:34 PM
The more you look at it the worse it gets

I would be raging if that was done to our player and it was not a red

I don't think it was malicious but certainly reckless and dangerous
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: paul_e on December 11, 2019, 02:09:15 PM
That challenge isn't a leg breaker in any way.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: brontebilly on December 11, 2019, 08:58:10 PM
That challenge isn't a leg breaker in any way.

Certain red all day, no excuse for being that high and late. If an tackle like that was put in on Grealish or one of our players, this forum would have gone into meltdown.

I have my strong suspicions on Targett's character already I must say. Seemed a touch convenient his injury v Wolves when he was getting destroyed. That tackle on Ricardo was looking for a red, in a get me off the pitch type effort. Again he was getting destroyed at the time. Didnt he pick up a yellow against Chelsea in another petulant type late effort when getting torn a new one. Bit of a regular theme for our 16m left back...
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: eamonn on December 12, 2019, 08:34:28 AM
Unfortunately I agree. This player seems to lack moral fibre and comes across as a bit of a wimp. We overpaid for him by at least 100%.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: john e on December 12, 2019, 09:58:01 AM
i like him
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on December 12, 2019, 10:09:46 AM
That challenge isn't a leg breaker in any way.

It was late, high, with studs showing and excessive force on a player's shin. So, naturally, "not a leg breaker in any way". Unfortunately this is about the level of analysis I've come to expect from you.

Watch it again and tell me people haven't had horrific breaks from similar. It was a dangerous tackle and he should've walked for it.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on December 12, 2019, 10:30:49 AM
There's some pretty harsh comments on Targett here. 

I agree it could have been a red, but not that it was deliberately nasty.

I think he's mostly been pretty decent for us and can't really understand this negativity towards him.  It seems some people just aren't happy unless they're slagging off our incumbant left back, whoever thast may be.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: LukeJames on December 12, 2019, 10:38:25 AM
His delivery is very good, he links up well with Grealish, he over laps well, I like what he offers us going forward.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: brontebilly on December 12, 2019, 11:13:00 AM
There's some pretty harsh comments on Targett here. 

I agree it could have been a red, but not that it was deliberately nasty.

I think he's mostly been pretty decent for us and can't really understand this negativity towards him.  It seems some people just aren't happy unless they're slagging off our incumbant left back, whoever thast may be.

Irrational hatred of left backs? Or maybe we have had a stream of utterly useless ones? Bouma had a solid season or two before his injury but I can't recall another one that was passable until the Stan and Alan Wright days.

The latest vintage has a decent left foot on him but that's it. Dreadful defender at this level. Scouting for this one is on Dean Smith.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: LukeJames on December 12, 2019, 11:25:54 AM
There's some pretty harsh comments on Targett here. 

I agree it could have been a red, but not that it was deliberately nasty.

I think he's mostly been pretty decent for us and can't really understand this negativity towards him.  It seems some people just aren't happy unless they're slagging off our incumbant left back, whoever thast may be.

The latest vintage has a decent left foot on him but that's it. Dreadful defender at this level. Scouting for this one is on Dean Smith.

Probably best if you understood how our scouting network now works before going on rants.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on December 12, 2019, 12:10:24 PM
His delivery is very good, he links up well with Grealish, he over laps well, I like what he offers us going forward.

For what it's worth I agree, and I don't think the tackle was malicious, but dangerous nonetheless.

And however good he may be going forward, he is at least that bad at the back, and that's where the concern comes in for me.

Personally I'd give Hause (were he match fit) a shot at left back ahead of either Targett or Taylor.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: paul_e on December 12, 2019, 12:16:07 PM
That challenge isn't a leg breaker in any way.

It was late, high, with studs showing and excessive force on a player's shin. So, naturally, "not a leg breaker in any way". Unfortunately this is about the level of analysis I've come to expect from you.

Watch it again and tell me people haven't had horrific breaks from similar. It was a dangerous tackle and he should've walked for it.

Lets do some analysis then. It's late, given he's sliding in there's not much he can do about that. It's high but if you watch he raises his foot to try to block the ball when it's clear he won't make the tackle, it's not high because it's misjudged or malicious. Studs showing isn't irrelevant because his studs aren't aimed at the player (due to the timing and angle) and don't make any contact, the actual contact is the inside of his heel going across the guys shin. You only have to have a basic understanding of how forces work to know why the angles and impact here make a broken leg a highly unlikely result.

Compare it to something like this -
- where Taylor has studs up straight on to Coleman's shin and you can see what a true leg breaking challenge looks like. The only way a leg break happens in a side on challenge is if the tackled player has his foot planted and the tackle goes into his leg from the side instead across the front.

If Targett is half a second later or if his 'line' is 3-4 inches to his right then yes, red card and potentially a serious injury but that's just not what happened.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: JJ-AV on December 12, 2019, 12:31:16 PM
Targett's understanding with Grealish is fantastic for me. Going forward on the left-side we look great, particularly with Conor in there.

For me it has to be Nakamba, Hourihane, Grealish and Targett - I think when Luiz comes in or Hourihane isn't there we look weaker down the left side defensively.

Luiz lacks the defensive nous and Hourihane smells the danger a little better.

Do agree Targett lacks defensive positional sense too though, which short-term may be a problem but he needs to improve.

Much like with Wesley upfront I think our squad lacks experience generally, we lost a lot of that in the Summer, we could do with one or two wiser heads in January.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Clark W Griswold on December 12, 2019, 01:29:53 PM
Not quite sure how you can say it's 'not a leg breaker in any way' Paul. People have had their legs broken by exactly that kind of tackle. The fact of the matter is that it didn't break his leg, but if Targett had been sent off i wouldn't have been surprised. He seemed to have a slightly insane grin on his face about it just after as well, not quite sure what that was all about.
As for the big picture, like most of the signing's we've made, he's young, inexperienced but looks promising in a lot of ways. I think he'll go on to be a decent signing.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: paul_e on December 12, 2019, 03:11:25 PM
Not quite sure how you can say it's 'not a leg breaker in any way' Paul. People have had their legs broken by exactly that kind of tackle. The fact of the matter is that it didn't break his leg, but if Targett had been sent off i wouldn't have been surprised. He seemed to have a slightly insane grin on his face about it just after as well, not quite sure what that was all about.
As for the big picture, like most of the signing's we've made, he's young, inexperienced but looks promising in a lot of ways. I think he'll go on to be a decent signing.

I can say it because no professional footballer would suffer a broken leg in that impact, there's nothing like the concentrated force required. The way he made the tackle could've been a leg breaker in different circumstances, and I've never said it's not a bad tackle, but in context there was no risk of serious injury from it and there is no way to say that he made the challenge intending to hurt him so a red card would've been harsh, a view that the ref and VAR official quite clearly agree with. Again compare it to the Taylor/Coleman one and you'll see the difference between a poorly timed tackle and a leg-breaker.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Risso on December 12, 2019, 03:25:13 PM
Jesus Paul, you don't half talk some shite at times.  Unless you've got some extremely hi-tech gadgetry at home, you've absolutely no way of knowing whether there was enough force to break his leg.  Look at the other player's foot at the moment of impact, it's bent at a very odd angle and he was extremely fortunate in my opinion to escape injury.  And what's this nonsense about a "difference between a poorly timed tackle and a leg breaker"? It's completely possible for a tackle to be both.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on December 12, 2019, 03:27:14 PM
Jesus Paul, you don't half talk some shite at times.  Unless you've got some extremely hi-tech gadgetry at home, you've absolutely no way of knowing whether there was enough force to break his leg.  Look at the other player's foot at the moment of impact, it's bent at a very odd angle and he was extremely fortunate in my opinion to escape injury.  And what's this nonsense about a "difference between a poorly timed tackle and a leg breaker"? It's completely possible for a tackle to be both.

Spot on.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Goldie.7 on December 12, 2019, 03:33:54 PM
That challenge isn't a leg breaker in any way.

It was late, high, with studs showing and excessive force on a player's shin. So, naturally, "not a leg breaker in any way". Unfortunately this is about the level of analysis I've come to expect from you.

Watch it again and tell me people haven't had horrific breaks from similar. It was a dangerous tackle and he should've walked for it.

If Targett is half a second later or if his 'line' is 3-4 inches to his right then yes, red card and potentially a serious injury but that's just not what happened.

You do know you can get sent off for "intent" don't you? Just because the opposition player wasn't seriously injured doesn't mean it's not a red card offence. I suggest you take some time and look at the fa.com website because you clearly need it.

SENDING-OFF OFFENCES


"A tackle or challenge that endangers the safety of an opponent or uses excessive force"

Key word there being endangers. You said it yourself "if Targett was half a second later or if his 'line' is 3-4 inches to his right"

It's a red card offence, just accept you're wrong and move on.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: paul_e on December 12, 2019, 03:45:46 PM
Do you know what, you all believe that the ref and VAR don't know the laws of the game as well as you and carry on thinking we got lucky with it, it's really not worth arguing over, he's not banned, I don't think he should be, you lot seemingly do.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Risso on December 12, 2019, 03:48:03 PM
Yes, it's not like the VAR refs have been an unmitigated disaster this season is it.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on December 12, 2019, 04:03:00 PM
Jesus Paul, you don't half talk some shite at times.  Unless you've got some extremely hi-tech gadgetry at home, you've absolutely no way of knowing whether there was enough force to break his leg.  Look at the other player's foot at the moment of impact, it's bent at a very odd angle and he was extremely fortunate in my opinion to escape injury.  And what's this nonsense about a "difference between a poorly timed tackle and a leg breaker"? It's completely possible for a tackle to be both.
I'm with Risso on this.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: paul_e on December 12, 2019, 04:26:27 PM
Jesus Paul, you don't half talk some shite at times.  Unless you've got some extremely hi-tech gadgetry at home, you've absolutely no way of knowing whether there was enough force to break his leg.  Look at the other player's foot at the moment of impact, it's bent at a very odd angle and he was extremely fortunate in my opinion to escape injury.  And what's this nonsense about a "difference between a poorly timed tackle and a leg breaker"? It's completely possible for a tackle to be both.
I'm with Risso on this.

It really doesn't need 'hi-tech gadgetry' to have a basic understanding of conservation of momentum and be able to apply it to a real world situation but again, it really doesn't matter enough for me to care if people disagree.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on December 12, 2019, 04:43:51 PM
Jesus Paul, you don't half talk some shite at times.  Unless you've got some extremely hi-tech gadgetry at home, you've absolutely no way of knowing whether there was enough force to break his leg.  Look at the other player's foot at the moment of impact, it's bent at a very odd angle and he was extremely fortunate in my opinion to escape injury.  And what's this nonsense about a "difference between a poorly timed tackle and a leg breaker"? It's completely possible for a tackle to be both.
I'm with Risso on this.

It really doesn't need 'hi-tech gadgetry' to have a basic understanding of conservation of momentum and be able to apply it to a real world situation but again, it really doesn't matter enough for me to care if people disagree.

Haha fucking hell

I'm sure that's exactly what was going through Matt Targett's mind when he saw Pereira about to do him for pace (again): "Okay, time to absolutely burst this fella, but remember: conservation of momentum! If I go in a half-second too late, or I'm 3-4 inches to the right, it might be a dangerous one!"
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Risso on December 12, 2019, 04:57:31 PM
Well I've calculated the trajectory of Targett's leg, allowed a degree of uncertainty for the density of his shin pads, multiplied it by the number I first thought of, adjusted it for the Black-Scholes derivative pricing model, and concluded that it was still definitely a red card.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: brian green on December 12, 2019, 05:15:08 PM
What about the Duckworth-Lewis formula?
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: nigel on December 12, 2019, 05:25:03 PM
This thread is similar to the Alan Hutton one after his tackle on Shane Long.
Unpopular player getting slated for a tackle.
Hutton, was absolutely hammered with comments like ĎDefinitely a redí ĎAnimalí ĎShould never wear Villa shirt againí . All for a perfectly good, hard, tackle.
Difference being Targets was a foul.  The ref deemed it a yellow, VAR didnít disagree. Did he get lucky? Perhaps he did, but, maybe the ref was right in this instance.

Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Goldie.7 on December 12, 2019, 05:40:27 PM
I bet no one insinuates these two support another team for saying exactly the same thing I did.  ::)

Skip to 32:32

Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Ian J on December 12, 2019, 05:56:08 PM
He was reckless but not malicious, it happens in football. It was probably a red and Iím sure there would not of been too much argument.

However heís alright, I like him, heís better than anyone weíve had their for a while. His link up play further up the pitch has been very good.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Flamingo Lane on December 12, 2019, 08:06:36 PM
The worst thing about the tackle for me was that it was one of those cowardly ones, knowing full well that his opponent was in no position to take evasive action or put in a forceful challenge of his own - in effect an unmissable target (pun intended).  He was an 'extremely lucky boy' to have not been sent off and to have risked a 3 match ban for such a pointless gesture does him little credit.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: WassallVillain on December 13, 2019, 11:24:17 PM
Two wrongs donít make a right but if I remember correctly Targett was the victim of an equally bad tackle very early in the game where the Leicester player looked more out of control. Seeing the Targett tackle video it looks really bad but it was very close to me and did not look that bad at the time. Could easily have been a VAR red.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: TheMalandro on December 14, 2019, 08:07:23 PM
A very disappointing start to his Villa  career.

I've seen better full backs in the Championship.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 14, 2019, 08:37:44 PM
He's just very average. Not the worst footballer given he can cross and link up with Grealish but not a great defender at all. 14m for a Southampton reserve, we could've done better there.

Also seems to be wanting new year off given he's picked up three yellows in last three games with rash challenges.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: malckennedy on December 14, 2019, 08:48:18 PM
Yeah. Iíve been happy for him to be in there because heís better than Taylor, but thatís a very low bar.

I have a mate who is a season ticket holder at Southampton and he told me he didnít think we should sign him last summer. He actually described him as crap.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Risso on December 14, 2019, 08:51:24 PM
He's good on the ball, but just too slow to be consistently good as a Premier League full back.  Anybody with pace in their side pinpoint him, and he just can't handle it, see Wolves, Man U and Leicester for recent examples.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Mister E on December 14, 2019, 08:53:30 PM
He's good on the ball, but just too slow to be consistently good as a Premier League full back.  Anybody with pace in their side pinpoint him, and he just can't handle it, see Wolves, Man U and Leicester for recent examples.
He certainly got targetted today (excusing the pun). Norwood and SheffU absolutely blitzed their right hand side.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: brontebilly on December 14, 2019, 08:55:32 PM
Yeah. Iíve been happy for him to be in there because heís better than Taylor, but thatís a very low bar.

I have a mate who is a season ticket holder at Southampton and he told me he didnít think we should sign him last summer. He actually described him as crap.

Your mate was right. Targett is crap. Serious lack of bottle too.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Three Spires Villa on December 14, 2019, 09:03:51 PM
He had a hard time today, overall I havenít been that impressed
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Risso on December 14, 2019, 09:12:50 PM
Guilbert has been decent and has the pace to be a success in the Premier League.  It's a mark of how inconsistent our transfer dealings were that we got a good young player like him for relative peanuts, but then spent three times as much on crap like Targett who wasn't wanted by Southampton.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: brontebilly on December 21, 2019, 05:57:16 PM
Completely and utterly useless.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 21, 2019, 05:59:47 PM
Championship full back for me. Can't believe we spent so much on him really.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 21, 2019, 06:08:23 PM
That's twice now in a matter of months Southampton have taken the piss.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Jon Crofts on December 21, 2019, 07:32:50 PM
In a sea of dross he shone out as absolutely woeful. Whatever did anyone see in him? Shite.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Risso on December 21, 2019, 07:43:29 PM
He's dross.  Just as bad as all of the other dreadful left backs we've had in recent years.  Rubbish.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: TheMalandro on December 21, 2019, 07:47:28 PM
In a sea of dross he shone out as absolutely woeful. Whatever did anyone see in him? Shite.

He reminds me of a Steve Staunton, but without defensive ability, attacking ability, shooting
and bottle.

Waste of money.

That money should've been invested in a cliff top apartment, on  the Amalfi coast, for me.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Three Spires Villa on December 21, 2019, 08:00:21 PM
He has looked poor recently
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: PeterWithe on December 22, 2019, 12:07:37 PM
That's twice now in a matter of months Southampton have taken the piss.

Very good
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: LukeJames on December 22, 2019, 12:19:55 PM
He's never a left back, hes soft, lacks any defensive positional sense and cant defend. Despite all that I still think he offers us something going forward, left wing back or left midfielder maybe but no chance is he a left back.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 22, 2019, 02:00:20 PM
You can play Target as LB as long as you build in protection for his defensive frailties.
We donít, we leave him exposed.
There are some games he should not start.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Risso on December 22, 2019, 02:04:18 PM
You also need pace and a good engine to play wing back. Heís slow as all hell and appears as fit as an asthmatic chain smoker.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 22, 2019, 02:07:02 PM
You also need pace and a good engine to play wing back. Heís slow as all hell and appears as fit as an asthmatic chain smoker.
So itís the asthmatic Lilly liveried chain smoker or the bloke who plays like he has put his boots on the wrong feet.
Tough call.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: themossman on December 22, 2019, 02:13:45 PM
Load of shit. Smith basically said heís unfit the other day. Defensive liability and not even that good offensively imho certainly not enough to offset his other many weaknesses. Heís one 10th the player Guilbert is for 3 x the money.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 22, 2019, 02:21:17 PM
He does not look great. Like most of our players he doesnít look like he does any fitness work.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: eamonn on December 22, 2019, 02:27:05 PM
Saints fans on his side of the pitch must have been bowling over with laughter yesterday at the sight of their discombobulated former player and his new team.

Surely Suso could have found someone from the continent twice as good for half the price.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Risso on December 22, 2019, 02:51:18 PM

Surely Suso could have found someone from the continent twice as good for half the price.

Based on his other finds? I'm not so sure.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 22, 2019, 02:53:33 PM
Load of shit. Smith basically said heís unfit the other day. Defensive liability and not even that good offensively imho certainly not enough to offset his other many weaknesses. Heís one 10th the player Guilbert is for 3 x the money.

Targett specialises in getting himself out of position, and then running back into said position at about the speed I reach when headed for the front door on a Monday morning.

He is not the only one, but he definitely looks unfit, too.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 26, 2019, 05:15:49 PM
The other day Dean Smith suggested Matt Targett could one day play for England. What I think he meant to say was he will again be playing in England when we play our next PL game. Because if he meant to say what he actually he said he needs to carted off to the fucking nut house. Matt Targett at 14m is a back up LB at best and I'm being mightly generous.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: KRS on December 26, 2019, 05:17:29 PM
Heís in a competition with Marv, Wes, Trez and AEG for being the worst signing of the summer. Absolute waste of space and money the lot of them.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Risso on December 26, 2019, 07:57:55 PM
This lad is garbage.  Up there with Cissokho, and well, all of the rest of our less than stellar left backs of recent years. 
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Risso on December 27, 2019, 09:51:43 AM
On about 85 minutes, Targett gave the ball back to Norwich really casually, and Jack absolutely lost his shit with him. Proper bollocking.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: garyshawsknee on December 27, 2019, 09:59:40 AM
At the minute I'd actually prefer Taylor in the team, which says it all really.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: jwarry on December 27, 2019, 10:41:38 AM
The other day Dean Smith suggested Matt Targett could one day play for England. What I think he meant to say was he will again be playing in England when we play our next PL game. Because if he meant to say what he actually he said he needs to carted off to the fucking nut house. Matt Targett at 14m is a back up LB at best and I'm being mightly generous.

He also said his fitness was appalling when he arrived and even now he has to remind him of the level he needs to be at.  It does explain why heís slow and always blowing out his arse, but just maybe if he listens Deano might be right
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Newby on December 27, 2019, 11:11:09 AM
On about 85 minutes, Targett gave the ball back to Norwich really casually, and Jack absolutely lost his shit with him. Proper bollocking.

I saw that Risso, I actually thought it was good leadership from Jack as it raises expectations, live on the field of play.  Something I think has been sorely missing this season.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: JUAN PABLO on December 27, 2019, 12:07:18 PM
As I said in the summer transfer thread before we signed him . I watched him a few times for Soton and his positioning was awful and he gave the ball away so much , so I thought I can not see anything to justify signing him for £7 or  £8 million , the fact we signed him for the price we did is shocking and who ever sanctioned that needs a boot up the ass.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: OCD on December 27, 2019, 01:32:25 PM
He just hit it without giving it much thought. Jack was making the point that he was in space so if he had kept a cool head, we could have kept possession, relieved the pressure and maybe have done something with it on the counter.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: aj2k77 on December 27, 2019, 01:38:00 PM
Hause is much better. Remember, he couldn't get in the Southampton team, that's the Southampton team that aren't very good and have spent most of the season in the bottom 3.

Terrible value for money as one day,  when we sell him, he'll go for around £2-3m.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: j66acd on December 27, 2019, 02:00:41 PM
When Mings is fit, move Hause yo left back and have Konsa and Elmo on the right hand side. More of a solid base to build from and all comfortable on the ball.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on December 27, 2019, 02:02:18 PM
When Mings is fit, move Hause yo left back and have Konsa and Elmo on the right hand side. More of a solid base to build from and all comfortable on the ball.

Elmo? Not in a million years for me. Was awful yesterday and never should he be playing ahead of Guilbert
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Risso on December 27, 2019, 02:05:18 PM
I didn't think Elmo was that bad.  Nothing special, but not a car crash.  Guilbert started the season quite well, but was spectacularly awful against Southampton.  I guess the trick with players like Guilbert is to spot when they're having a dip in form and get them out of the side, like Smith did yesterday.  A bit like Amavi when he was here.  Clearly talented, but very inconsistent.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 27, 2019, 02:05:42 PM
The other day Dean Smith suggested Matt Targett could one day play for England.

Really?

What sport at?
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on December 27, 2019, 02:12:30 PM
I didn't think Elmo was that bad.  Nothing special, but not a car crash.  Guilbert started the season quite well, but was spectacularly awful against Southampton.  I guess the trick with players like Guilbert is to spot when they're having a dip in form and get them out of the side, like Smith did yesterday.  A bit like Amavi when he was here.  Clearly talented, but very inconsistent.

He was poor against Southampton for sure, but then they all were. Elmohamady gives me no comfort in defence so I guess it comes down to personal preference, but I'd certainly prefer Guilbert as I think there's more to come from him. We know there's nothing more to see from Elmo. Sorry Elmo.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: brontebilly on December 27, 2019, 02:19:30 PM
Hause is much better. Remember, he couldn't get in the Southampton team, that's the Southampton team that aren't very good and have spent most of the season in the bottom 3.

Terrible value for money as one day,  when we sell him, he'll go for around £2-3m.

He did well at Fulham so I'd presume plenty of championship clubs would be willing to take a punt on him. But he is miles out of his depth in the top division.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Jon Crofts on December 27, 2019, 02:19:39 PM
The other day Dean Smith suggested Matt Targett could one day play for England.

Really?

What sport at?

Beat me to it.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: j66acd on December 27, 2019, 04:18:28 PM
When Mings is fit, move Hause yo left back and have Konsa and Elmo on the right hand side. More of a solid base to build from and all comfortable on the ball.

Elmo? Not in a million years for me. Was awful yesterday and never should he be playing ahead of Guilbert

Elmoís positioning yesterday was spot on and so were some of his balls up the line. Whilst we are currently leaking goals like they are going out of fashion heís a much safer bet to have at right back. I do like Guilbert though but it was right to take him out of the team yesterday.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: themossman on December 27, 2019, 04:25:14 PM
Agree Elmo was fine yesterday, reliable and leads by example. Annoying that we have to drop one of our few decent new players to accommodate him. Freddy on the wing?
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Brassneck on December 27, 2019, 04:27:04 PM
When Mings is fit, move Hause yo left back and have Konsa and Elmo on the right hand side. More of a solid base to build from and all comfortable on the ball.

Elmo? Not in a million years for me. Was awful yesterday and never should he be playing ahead of Guilbert

Elmoís positioning yesterday was spot on and so were some of his balls up the line. Whilst we are currently leaking goals like they are going out of fashion heís a much safer bet to have at right back. I do like Guilbert though but it was right to take him out of the team yesterday.

I agree entirely.  You talk about experience - Elmo is one of the few in our squad who has it.  He wasted 2 very good opportunities yesterday with poor crosses but he is always steady as opposed to the erratic Guilbert.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: eamonn on December 27, 2019, 06:25:00 PM
Targett is in the Irish Times team of the day for yesterday's games!
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 27, 2019, 06:48:48 PM
Excellent. A few more reviews like that should help us get rid of him.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: LukeJames on December 27, 2019, 06:54:59 PM
When Mings is fit, move Hause yo left back and have Konsa and Elmo on the right hand side. More of a solid base to build from and all comfortable on the ball.

Elmo? Not in a million years for me. Was awful yesterday and never should he be playing ahead of Guilbert

Elmoís positioning yesterday was spot on

Byram completely lost him for his back poster header that he should of buried.
Elmo is a solid Champuonship level player, I really dislike it when we play him.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 27, 2019, 07:16:05 PM
The other day Dean Smith suggested Matt Targett could one day play for England.

Really?

What sport at?

Beat me to it.

Read and weep chaps

Quote
But Smith believes there is more to be done if Targett is to fulfil his true potential. ďThere is potentially an England left-back there but he has to go and push himself,Ē said the boss.

Full nonsense

https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/aston-villa/2019/12/20/dean-smith-hard-work-can-put-aston-villas-matt-targett-in-england-frame/
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: nigel on December 27, 2019, 07:51:52 PM
Was talking about the full backs yesterday, and how theyíre getting caught out too far forward.
If theyíre going to push on so far up we need to play with a 3-5-2 sort of formation.

You choice from Mings, Chester, Engels, Hause & Konya
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Ads on December 27, 2019, 07:54:38 PM
I think he's form has been scratchy,  but the absence of Mings next to him hasn't helped.

His panicked pass out yesterday was symptomatic of a player devoid of confidence, like many.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: dave.woodhall on December 27, 2019, 07:58:27 PM
The other day Dean Smith suggested Matt Targett could one day play for England.

Really?

What sport at?

Beat me to it.

Read and weep chaps

Quote
But Smith believes there is more to be done if Targett is to fulfil his true potential. ďThere is potentially an England left-back there but he has to go and push himself,Ē said the boss.

Full nonsense

https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/aston-villa/2019/12/20/dean-smith-hard-work-can-put-aston-villas-matt-targett-in-england-frame/

You mean a manager is defending one of his players? How absolutely appalling -  sack him immediately.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: hilts_coolerking on December 27, 2019, 07:59:35 PM
Defending your players shouldn't mean talking out of your arse.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: dave.woodhall on December 27, 2019, 08:01:59 PM
Defending your players shouldn't mean talking out of your arse.

I suppose he should start slagging them off becasue that's what somebody on the internet thinks.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: nigel on December 27, 2019, 08:02:32 PM
I think he's form has been scratchy,  but the absence of Mings next to him hasn't helped.

His panicked pass out yesterday was symptomatic of a player devoid of confidence, like many.

This is why I think a back 3 would help him, and Gilbert.
With a defensive mid in place I suppose youíd be looking at a 3-1-4-2 ish formation.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: hilts_coolerking on December 27, 2019, 08:12:22 PM
Defending your players shouldn't mean talking out of your arse.

I suppose he should start slagging them off becasue that's what somebody on the internet thinks.
Is the alternative to slagging your players off just talking out of your arse?  Several stages in between I'd say. Saying Targett is potentially England material is daft because it could be said about any England player and because it's not even clear at the moment whether Targett is a half decent Villa player.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: dave.woodhall on December 27, 2019, 08:17:30 PM
Defending your players shouldn't mean talking out of your arse.

I suppose he should start slagging them off becasue that's what somebody on the internet thinks.
Is the alternative to slagging your players off just talking out of your arse?  Several stages in between I'd say. Saying Targett is potentially England material is daft because it could be said about any England player and because it's not even clear at the moment whether Targett is a half decent Villa player.


I'll bow to your superior experience on the subject of talking out of your arse. 
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on December 27, 2019, 11:20:49 PM
Dean Smith was given a new four-year deal for getting Villa into the bottom half of the bottom half of the table. I'm not surprised he's rewarded an erratic performer with a glowing reference for a future England call-up.

This is the new Villa - where potential is valued higher than actual end product. See also Moraes, Wesley; Trezeguet, Mahmoud Hassan; etc.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Ads on December 27, 2019, 11:41:04 PM
Dean Smith was given a new four-year deal for getting Villa into the bottom half of the bottom half of the table. I'm not surprised he's rewarded an erratic performer with a glowing reference for a future England call-up.

Yes he has been rewarded with a new contract for getting us in the bottom half of the table in the Premier Legaue. Having taken over a mid table Championship side 12 months ago that nobody, following us getting trashed 3-0 at Wigan, saw promotion as coming any time soon.

This is the new Villa, the 5th best 2nd division side last year having just dipped into the bottom 3 in a very competitive top flight.

Quite the achievement. Yet your post implies we've fallen from grace, rather than done rather well to pick ourselves off the canvass and yesterday secure lire first top flight double in 6 years. Context is key.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: olaftab on December 27, 2019, 11:52:37 PM
ATL you need to calm down mate.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on December 28, 2019, 12:03:44 AM
ATL you need to calm down mate.

Yeah sorry, I'm out of control - bucket of ice needed for rephrasing what so many others have said about our manager and our left-back...
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: hilts_coolerking on December 28, 2019, 12:31:52 AM
Defending your players shouldn't mean talking out of your arse.

I suppose he should start slagging them off becasue that's what somebody on the internet thinks.
Is the alternative to slagging your players off just talking out of your arse?  Several stages in between I'd say. Saying Targett is potentially England material is daft because it could be said about any England player and because it's not even clear at the moment whether Targett is a half decent Villa player.


I'll bow to your superior experience on the subject of talking out of your arse.
I have a different view to you and Smith that's all.  No need to have a pop at me.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Vill I An on December 28, 2019, 12:53:57 AM
Dean Smith was given a new four-year deal for getting Villa into the bottom half of the bottom half of the table. I'm not surprised he's rewarded an erratic performer with a glowing reference for a future England call-up.

This is the new Villa - where potential is valued higher than actual end product. See also Moraes, Wesley; Trezeguet, Mahmoud Hassan; etc.

Ben Chilwell  is currently the England left back and with Luke Shaw and Danny Rose often injured or out of form / team then Targett is someone who can come into the equation .

Bertrand, Cresswell and Sessegnon are his competition. None of them are particularly great at defending all better going forward
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: dave.woodhall on December 28, 2019, 01:02:07 AM
Defending your players shouldn't mean talking out of your arse.

I suppose he should start slagging them off becasue that's what somebody on the internet thinks.
Is the alternative to slagging your players off just talking out of your arse?  Several stages in between I'd say. Saying Targett is potentially England material is daft because it could be said about any England player and because it's not even clear at the moment whether Targett is a half decent Villa player.


I'll bow to your superior experience on the subject of talking out of your arse.
I have a different view to you and Smith that's all.  No need to have a pop at me.

But it's perfectly alright for you to say someone's talking out of their arse.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: paul_e on December 28, 2019, 01:02:12 AM
I don't see anything all that controversial in saying that a guy with 22 England age group caps, many earned under the current england manager, could get senior caps if he works for it. That seems a pretty obvious challenge to him to find his form and put the work in for us.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: hilts_coolerking on December 28, 2019, 10:15:06 AM


But it's perfectly alright for you to say someone's talking out of their arse.
I could point to any number of posts on any thread on any day which express stronger opinions than mine.  Why single me out?
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Chris Smith on December 28, 2019, 10:40:27 AM
Defending your players shouldn't mean talking out of your arse.

These are the comments  ď There is potentially an England left-back there but he has to go and push himself,Ē said the boss.

ďMatt knows that and we have had regular conversations about it. His fitness was not where I wanted it at the start of pre-season. He was made aware of that and he agreed.

ďHe has worked really hard to get to where he is now but there is still a lot of work left for him to do.Ē

Targett, who was a member of the Saints academy from the age of eight, has undergone extra gym sessions in order to build up his physical strength.

Smith added: ďHe is getting stronger. Technically there are no questions. He is a very gifted footballer. Sometimes it is that other little bit of pushing himĒ



Heís talking about what he ďcouldĒ achieve not saying he is currently at that position. Perhaps people have responded to the headline rather than the content.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: hilts_coolerking on December 28, 2019, 11:01:50 AM
I haven't got a problem with anyone defending his players, or bigging them up, and some of what Smith says is fair enough.  But - in my opinion - the England bit is wildly OTT and, in the context of Targetts recent performances, bound to provoke a few snorts of derision. Just as it has on here.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Bobby Boy on December 28, 2019, 11:48:24 AM
Targett gets some grief on here and much of it reasonable. He does get skinned regularly and seems to over-commit leaving the wingers up against him a free run into our box.

However, with the system we play he needs help. If he is expected to bomb forward then anyone else on his side needs to cover for him and this is often lacking. El Ghazi is particularly culpable.

Maybe  a 3 centre back system would work better if our full backs are pushing forward to guarantee that cover.

I'm not sure that Targett's failings are by any means solely down to him.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Rigadon on December 28, 2019, 11:53:19 AM
I'm reserving judgement on him.  But he needs to stop so many crosses coming into the box.  The amount of times a winger does him on the outside is concerning.  Same goes for the other full backs we have - even when the wingers are attempting to cover we look susceptible. 
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on December 28, 2019, 12:09:33 PM
I haven't got a problem with anyone defending his players, or bigging them up, and some of what Smith says is fair enough.  But - in my opinion - the England bit is wildly OTT and, in the context of Targetts recent performances, bound to provoke a few snorts of derision. Just as it has on here.

Didnít stop Geoff Thomas
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: TheMalandro on December 28, 2019, 08:19:12 PM
Bought a dud.

He's crap in his main position and he's also a coward.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: CT on December 28, 2019, 08:23:33 PM
Like so many, he's not what you need when battling, scrapping and giving everything is required.

No doubt Taylor is a better defender, yes, he offers nothing at all going forward but we needed much better than Targett.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: AVH87 on December 28, 2019, 08:37:54 PM
Biggest wimp I've seen play LB in all my years going to Villa Park.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: ROBBO on December 28, 2019, 08:50:02 PM
I was relieved when he went off injured.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Vill I An on December 28, 2019, 09:35:16 PM
Biggest wimp I've seen play LB in all my years going to Villa Park.

He is rather weak.
Doesn't sound too tough just in his interviews not that should be some judgement.
I'm all for footballers rather than destroyers and enforcers but Targett seems to struggle with physicality.
I suggest he builds up his muscle mass
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: AVH87 on December 28, 2019, 09:37:27 PM
Biggest wimp I've seen play LB in all my years going to Villa Park.

He is rather weak.
Doesn't sound too tough just in his interviews not that should be some judgement.
I'm all for footballers rather than destroyers and enforcers but Targett seems to struggle with physicality.
I suggest he builds up his muscle mass

I was thinking less 'muscle mass' (it's probably more fat with him) as I feel he's too slow for a left back who needs to get up and down.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Nunkin1965 on December 28, 2019, 09:42:46 PM
When Mings returns Hause has got to play at LB.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on December 28, 2019, 09:48:17 PM
Dean Smith was given a new four-year deal for getting Villa into the bottom half of the bottom half of the table. I'm not surprised he's rewarded an erratic performer with a glowing reference for a future England call-up.

Yes he has been rewarded with a new contract for getting us in the bottom half of the table in the Premier Legaue. Having taken over a mid table Championship side 12 months ago that nobody, following us getting trashed 3-0 at Wigan, saw promotion as coming any time soon.

This is the new Villa, the 5th best 2nd division side last year having just dipped into the bottom 3 in a very competitive top flight.

Quite the achievement. Yet your post implies we've fallen from grace, rather than done rather well to pick ourselves off the canvass and yesterday secure lire first top flight double in 6 years. Context is key.

I stand by what I said.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: brontebilly on December 28, 2019, 11:29:09 PM
Biggest wimp I've seen play LB in all my years going to Villa Park.

I despised Stephen Warnock for the same reason but the more Targett plays Warnock appears Stuart Pearce esque in comparison. Targett is a complete charlatan of a defender.  I just don't get who possibly could have authorised spending that kind of money on him, about the third of the price of Guilbert.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Des Little on December 28, 2019, 11:42:04 PM
As others have said, heís not one for the fight is he? Reminds me of that kid who pissed himself in American Pie or whatever it was. Wimp.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: richtheholtender on December 28, 2019, 11:45:17 PM
Iíd try him as a left winger before we write him off.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: andyh on December 28, 2019, 11:48:11 PM
Our full back called Nicky was bad enough. It always made him sound like a hairdresser.

He was like Norman Hunter compared to fucking Matt Targett.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: LeeB on December 29, 2019, 05:44:23 PM
My pal reckons he cried wolf going off at Wolves with a head injury because he was getting such a roasting off Traore.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Ads on December 29, 2019, 05:48:11 PM
He blocked loads of crosses yesterday. He defended well for once.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: russon on December 29, 2019, 07:39:40 PM
Couldnít tackle a fish supper
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on December 29, 2019, 11:42:59 PM
He just looks like a little boy lost to me.  Loved it on the tranquil south coast.  Remember all his family coming up the day he signed.  All very nice and all but heís a bit of a mummyís boy and it shows on the pitch.  That said I saw enough of him going forward last season to think he has something in a more advance position.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Des Little on December 29, 2019, 11:49:07 PM
Iíd be much happier to bring House in to play left side of a three. By all means play Targett further forward, as his crossing isnít bad at all, and he wonít have to tackle those nasty wingers either.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Demitri_C on December 30, 2019, 02:21:06 PM
He has been ok but he stands off attackers far too much for my liking.does have a good cross on him. Definitely a step up from taylor, cissoko.

Think amavi qss alot better than targett though
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Bad English on December 30, 2019, 04:57:50 PM
Iíd be much happier to bring House in to play left side of a three.
Our House, on the left side of a three. Could be a hit.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: dicedlam on December 30, 2019, 05:01:21 PM
Iíd be much happier to bring House in to play left side of a three.
Our House, on the left side of a three. Could be a hit.

Clappy thingy.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: phantom limb on December 31, 2019, 10:32:19 AM
I do wonder whether heís been 100% fit at any point this season; he missed plenty of our early games with a hamstring injury and it seems to keep reoccurring.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Ian J on December 31, 2019, 11:14:39 AM
I donít mind him and think heís more suited to a 352 system but I wish he got up and threw his body on the line when Watford powered forward and scored. I hope Iím wrong and not being too cynical but I wonder how hurt he was?
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: in exile on December 31, 2019, 12:51:42 PM
Not as hurt as I am
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Risso on December 31, 2019, 01:18:36 PM
I donít mind him and think heís more suited to a 352 system but I wish he got up and threw his body on the line when Watford powered forward and scored. I hope Iím wrong and not being too cynical but I wonder how hurt he was?

About as hurt as he was earlier in the season v Wolves I reckon.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: dcdavecollett on January 01, 2020, 07:04:25 PM
The evidence being...?
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: dcdavecollett on January 04, 2020, 05:53:08 PM
Oh, and Targett's still out.

So, perhaps he wasn't play-acting after all...
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Ads on January 04, 2020, 05:57:10 PM
Taylor played like he was injured today. Slowed every ball down, thought really hard and then gave it away. Shite. Hurry back Matty for that wing back slot.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Risso on January 05, 2020, 11:01:16 AM
Taylor played like he was injured today. Slowed every ball down, thought really hard and then gave it away. Shite. Hurry back Matty for that wing back slot.

That's by far Taylor's biggest weakness.  When we break forward, the moves break down so many times because Taylor receives the ball, traps it, waits for two seconds, then passes it to whoever is closest to him 10 yards behind.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 22, 2020, 03:50:16 PM
I actually think he did really well last night, especially the second half and got into some very dangerous forward positions. His shot set up the equalizer and we've already seen in this new system Freddie score. Not saying at all he's the answer but by being able to push up he puts the opposition more on the back foot.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Bren'd on January 22, 2020, 04:38:53 PM
One of his better games. In all honesty I didn't think he was that great at the game but watching the highlights he looked half decent. Like many of them, we should see an improvement next season when they will have that bit more experience.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 22, 2020, 06:37:28 PM
Did well.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: colin69 on January 22, 2020, 07:05:42 PM
Best Iíve seen him play last night, seemed really up for it.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: West Derby Villan on January 22, 2020, 07:10:44 PM
Played quite well and seems to have a good understanding with Jack
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Ads on January 22, 2020, 07:32:45 PM
He did play well and he pushed up very high, aided by the system.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: rooboy316 on January 24, 2020, 04:14:31 AM
Agree about the system - wing back seems to help with his shortcomings. There is enough defensive cover when he is slow to track back or gets beaten by a winger. And it allows him to get further forward to help with attacks.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: andyh on January 24, 2020, 07:01:47 AM
I thought it was his best game for us,
He did really well with a header on goal right at the start of the second half.

But, his technique with the cross shot for our equaliser was excellent.
He could easily have blasted that high, wide and handsome but he got it on Ďtargetí and gave the keeper little chance to do anything but palm it away.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: ozzjim on January 24, 2020, 07:23:30 AM
Apart from a lack of pace I think he's a decent player. Trouble is 13 million doesn't go far, and he's about that level. I'd like him to be a bit more dynamic, but with a bit of confidence I think he can be a useful asset.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Neil Hawkes on January 24, 2020, 08:19:47 AM
Is he an upgrade on Taylor; a definite yes as Taylor offers nothing once he crosses the half-way line.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Damo70 on January 24, 2020, 08:35:38 AM
To be fair all of our players have been under pressure to get results pretty much from day one this season. The Villa side that struggled after promotion in 1988 looked like a different side to the one that played with such confidence the following season.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: ozzjim on January 24, 2020, 08:36:10 AM
To be fair, most Southampton fans said he had a great left foot but was a bit slow and a bit weak, and not that bright. All of those things are accurate.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 24, 2020, 10:48:24 AM
To be fair, most Southampton fans said he had a great left foot but was a bit slow and a bit weak, and not that bright. All of those things are accurate.
appears to be better as a wing back, with three centre backs - it means the left sided centre back gives him a bit more cover. Better going forward than the defensive stuff. 
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Drummond on January 24, 2020, 11:44:28 AM
To be fair, most Southampton fans said he had a great left foot but was a bit slow and a bit weak, and not that bright. All of those things are accurate.

I'd say he seems bright, he links up very well and has developed a good understanding with Grealish; some of their interplay has been really clever.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Mellin on January 24, 2020, 02:59:21 PM
I said on here before the Brighton game I was looking forward to his return. Perfectly suited for wing back. Hope he kicks on from here. Very good on the overlap when confident.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: dcdavecollett on January 25, 2020, 12:24:16 AM
He is also the possessor of a very long pass.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Ian J on January 28, 2020, 09:59:48 PM
Great again tonight. What a difference playing him at wing back, him and Jack were telepathic at times. Superb performance from him.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Risso on January 28, 2020, 10:00:22 PM
Targett and Jack tore Leicester apart.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: paul_e on January 28, 2020, 10:10:02 PM
Exceptional tonight, best left back/wingback performance by a villa player in years in my opinion. Linked really well with Jack and gave us an outlet but also did a good job keeping Perez and Ricardo pretty quiet. The latter was fucking knackered by the end from the run around he got and that tiredness was why he looked glued to the floor for the winner. Also put in a couple of very good crosses.

As with a few other players I think the pressure and sheer amount of games in a short time got to him and he was strugglnig but a couple of decent performances and the confidence from them and he suddenly looks a different player. I'm really pleased for him, I think he's taken a lot of stick (some pretty unfair at times) so it's great to see him get some credit now.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 28, 2020, 10:13:31 PM
His best performance for us by a mile and like with pretty much all these youngsters weíve signed you can see that there is plenty of ability.
Itís so important we stay up this season because apart from the strong financial position to build this squad you also look at these players and know that theyíre going to improve with time and persistence.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Risso on January 28, 2020, 10:16:13 PM
Heís too slow in a flat back four against real pace, but the new formation gives him license to get forward.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Ian J on January 28, 2020, 10:19:33 PM
Itís a very different player to the one who played against Watford last year. The same can be said about a fair few of them though I suppose. Confidence does wonderful things.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Scovilla on January 28, 2020, 10:20:47 PM
Repeating myself he was really good tonight but what was he doing when Leicester scored?
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: richrunner on January 28, 2020, 10:21:15 PM
Best game for Matt so far that was. His understanding with Jack is a real asset we should use more of
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: ROBBO on January 28, 2020, 10:34:43 PM
Brilliant attacking duo and seem to read each other very well but Targett was at fault for their goal as playing it back he was well positioned but was ball watching and didn't have a clue that player was behind him otherwise by far his best game.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: themossman on January 28, 2020, 10:35:55 PM
Great tonight. Him and jack are a great complimentary combination
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: phantom limb on January 28, 2020, 10:41:44 PM
Heís improved massively the last few games.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: themossman on January 28, 2020, 10:44:33 PM
Aside from benefiting from 3 at the back he does look fitter and sharper. Fair play to him
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: andyh on January 28, 2020, 10:58:02 PM
Best game since he joined.
He has toughened up and is so much better for it.

The understanding between him jack is superb, and every single ball jack played to him was perfection.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Richard E on January 28, 2020, 10:58:17 PM
He was fantastic tonight. Looks like a different player lately.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: themossman on January 28, 2020, 11:00:10 PM
The pass from jack for the goal was deceptively brilliant. But also, not many players could be relied on to get hold of a ball at that height as well as targett. They are a great combo
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 16, 2020, 11:16:36 PM
Iíve been a critic of his and Matt Targett wonít be the best LB ever to play for us, but thereís actually a really decent chance he could make the Euroís squad simply due to a lack of depth at that position. Heís got some pretty good attacking stats so used in the right system could be a solid back up option to Chilwell.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: SheffieldVillain on February 16, 2020, 11:21:36 PM
He's improved a lot and is a good asset going forward.

Can't see him getting anywhere near though - I think Shaw or Rose would be the back-up.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 16, 2020, 11:25:06 PM
Rose has barely played all season and Shaw is so average. Youíre probably right but I know Southgate likes Targett so who knows
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: SheffieldVillain on February 16, 2020, 11:27:27 PM
Rose has barely played all season and Shaw is so average. Youíre probably right but I know Southgate likes Targett so who knows

I know that and you know that. But as things stand, even Jack hasn't had a chance yet over bog-average players from the top 6 so what chance do others have?
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Vill I An on May 20, 2020, 11:33:39 PM
Matt Targett on sky sports doesn't sound or look he's been that fit over the lock down.
He's started making excuses already.

"You're going to need a good five or six weeks to get into any sort of shape,' he said. '[In the first session on Tuesday] I felt so much heavier running around.

'You do different sorts of runs (in training) which is completely different to running around a park. It's a lot more intense.

'It's very different. We've been sent our individual programmes. It just felt so weird having a ball at your feet.'

This is the same Matt Targett who came to Villa unfit. Has ongoing hamstring issue .
Targett who been injured several times and then sat our extended period after he pulled his hamstring in December

Dean Smith said :
"His fitness was not where I wanted it at the start of pre-season. He was made aware of that and he agreed."

I can imagine he'll be getting injured again when he tries to push himself.
I mean don't know his personal circumstances but fitness wise he seems rather unprofessional and needs monitoring and guiding as well as better strength and conditioning.
He could prevent his injuries with being far more robust and physically fit but it's probably too late now and he's stuck with having issues with his hamstring for his career.

I'm sure Smith and team will take him to task with these comments about being heavy as this is the second time since pre season Matty Targett hasn't been up to playing standard.

Certainly looked rather bloated in face on sky sports news.
My biggest fear was exactly this. That some of the Villa players being lax with their attitude to personal fitness programmes.
Targett clearly has form with this and he'll be one of the first to pull his hamstring when he starts up with any rigor.
Really I recommend hot yoga or pilates and to get greater flexibility.
He clearly has an issue with warm and cool down as well as flexibility so he's gonna be a 14m liability and we'll have to go back to Neil Taylor for the remainder of season

It's really disparing, it really is.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on May 21, 2020, 12:52:11 AM
Oh great, another Villa player you've found to castigate.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Somniloquism on May 21, 2020, 09:38:45 AM
Some people need structure around them or they don't function the same. I'm assuming Matt is one of those. I suspect he won't be the only one across all the teams and I also suspect injuries are going to also happen across all the teams as you essentially need pre season training again and it can't be done to the same level as it normally is.

Still football needs to be played so lets force it through and risk lives and careers to finish off a season most people can't be arsed with.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Drummond on May 21, 2020, 11:10:08 AM
Some people need structure around them or they don't function the same.

I thought you were going to say Vill I An

Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: OCD on May 21, 2020, 11:42:50 AM
My take on what he says is that he's been following the programme the club have given him but it's worlds apart from being ready for elite level competition. Even training where you have experienced coaches pushing you to get the most out of you is going to be a big step-up to lockdown programming.

It sounds like there's only so many drills you can do on your own with a ball too.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Damo70 on May 21, 2020, 11:49:37 AM
Matt Targett on sky sports doesn't sound or look he's been that fit over the lock down.
He's started making excuses already.

"You're going to need a good five or six weeks to get into any sort of shape,' he said. '[In the first session on Tuesday] I felt so much heavier running around.

'You do different sorts of runs (in training) which is completely different to running around a park. It's a lot more intense.

'It's very different. We've been sent our individual programmes. It just felt so weird having a ball at your feet.'

This is the same Matt Targett who came to Villa unfit. Has ongoing hamstring issue .
Targett who been injured several times and then sat our extended period after he pulled his hamstring in December

Dean Smith said :
"His fitness was not where I wanted it at the start of pre-season. He was made aware of that and he agreed."

I can imagine he'll be getting injured again when he tries to push himself.
I mean don't know his personal circumstances but fitness wise he seems rather unprofessional and needs monitoring and guiding as well as better strength and conditioning.
He could prevent his injuries with being far more robust and physically fit but it's probably too late now and he's stuck with having issues with his hamstring for his career.

I'm sure Smith and team will take him to task with these comments about being heavy as this is the second time since pre season Matty Targett hasn't been up to playing standard.

Certainly looked rather bloated in face on sky sports news.
My biggest fear was exactly this. That some of the Villa players being lax with their attitude to personal fitness programmes.
Targett clearly has form with this and he'll be one of the first to pull his hamstring when he starts up with any rigor.
Really I recommend hot yoga or pilates and to get greater flexibility.
He clearly has an issue with warm and cool down as well as flexibility so he's gonna be a 14m liability and we'll have to go back to Neil Taylor for the remainder of season

It's really disparing, it really is.


I was going to suggest you are very much a glass half empty man but I suspect you are more of a totally empty glass that is broken man. Please never volunteer to be a Samaritan.  ;)
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on May 21, 2020, 11:59:45 AM
Itís a bit like home schooling.  Itís not quite the same as being in the classroom.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 21, 2020, 03:19:26 PM
 Can we give it a fucking rest on battering our own players? Just for a little bit while the world is falling to pieces and though much less importantly, we have one foot inside the PL relegation trapdoor.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 21, 2020, 03:21:48 PM
It just felt so weird having a ball at your feet.'

That explains a lot.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Vill I An on May 21, 2020, 05:27:19 PM
I'm just providing educated insight and foresight that Targett Chas fitness concerns and that he'll be pulling his hamstring
It's likely to happen with the new work load and far more intense training the strain will be a lot and that just fore warning folk he likely to miss some of the run in or not be at 100%
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: eamonn on May 21, 2020, 06:28:10 PM
In fairness Targett has always been a bit of a whimp.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: CT on May 21, 2020, 06:46:43 PM
Can we give it a fucking rest on battering our own players? Just for a little bit while the world is falling to pieces and though much less importantly, we have one foot inside the PL relegation trapdoor.

Seconded.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: aj2k77 on May 21, 2020, 07:10:55 PM
Has to be a first, players being derided after a couple of days training because he looked a little round faced on a Tv interview.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Vill I An on May 21, 2020, 09:11:28 PM
Well actually Dean Smith said way back when
"His fitness was not where I wanted it at the start of pre-season. He was made aware of that and he agreed."

So there is a lot of substance
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: KevinGage on May 21, 2020, 09:33:27 PM
I'm just providing educated insight and foresight that Targett Chas fitness concerns and that he'll be pulling his hamstring
It's likely to happen with the new work load and far more intense training the strain will be a lot and that just fore warning folk he likely to miss some of the run in or not be at 100%


Played much at the top level, Vill I An?
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: purpletrousers on May 21, 2020, 09:52:36 PM
I'm just providing educated insight and foresight that Targett Chas fitness concerns and that he'll be pulling his hamstring
It's likely to happen with the new work load and far more intense training the strain will be a lot and that just fore warning folk he likely to miss some of the run in or not be at 100%


Played much at the top level, Vill I An?

Educated might mean eg Physiotherapy degree or Sports Psychology etc, not necessarily pro football experience. Right?
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Damo70 on May 21, 2020, 10:34:44 PM
Every player in every team will have lost match fitness and sharpness. How many have really not bothered and totally taken the piss remains to be seen. Personally I would have thought most footballers have fitness equipment in their home and big back gardens and I would imagine most of them have kept themselves pretty fit during the break, even if they just kept fit to relieve the boredom.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 21, 2020, 10:39:25 PM
I'd also imagine that the club would be monitoring the work they were doing while at home. I'm sure that alarm bells would have been ringing if X player's daily data wasn't as they expected.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Rory Christopher on May 21, 2020, 11:23:44 PM
I saw the Targett thread had been bumped and assumed he had died. I am (somewhat) relieved that isn't the case.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 21, 2020, 11:24:24 PM
Can we give it a fucking rest on battering our own players? Just for a little bit while the world is falling to pieces and though much less importantly, we have one foot inside the PL relegation trapdoor.

'Battering' LOL.

And as you quite rightly say, the world is falling to pieces, in which case what's the fucking point getting all mardy because some people are suggesting the players who have got us with one foot in the relegation trapdoor aren't up to much.

Oh and I notice it is generally ok when it's you doing the battering.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Vill I An on May 22, 2020, 01:00:37 AM
Every player in every team will have lost match fitness and sharpness. How many have really not bothered and totally taken the piss remains to be seen. Personally I would have thought most footballers have fitness equipment in their home and big back gardens and I would imagine most of them have kept themselves pretty fit during the break, even if they just kept fit to relieve the boredom.

Some players live in apartments actually with no gardens
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: JD on May 22, 2020, 07:21:02 AM
Being fit and being match fit are two completely different thing. So eight odd weeks away from training with team mates most days and playing competitive games takes it's toll. It does take time to get match fit again as there is only so much fitness training you can do by yourself.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on May 22, 2020, 08:32:09 AM
I'm just providing educated insight and foresight that Targett Chas fitness concerns and that he'll be pulling his hamstring
It's likely to happen with the new work load and far more intense training the strain will be a lot and that just fore warning folk he likely to miss some of the run in or not be at 100%


Played much at the top level, Vill I An?

Educated might mean eg Physiotherapy degree or Sports Psychology etc, not necessarily pro football experience. Right?
An educated guess is a coomon phrase and I suspect this is what Footy is referring to.  You don't need to be an expert in a field to make an educated guess, you just look at the facts in front of you and take a view.  In this case the facts Footy has worked on are:

He wasn't fit at the start of the season after a summer off
He was shit at the start of the season after a summer off
Deano has said he was unhappy with his fitness at the start of the season after a summer off
He is injury prone
He has just had the equivalent of a summer off
He has gone on record saying he'll probbaly need 5-6 weeks to get fit, which is more than others seem to think reasonable
He looks a bit lardy in the interview.

So I don't think Footy's educated guess is as much of a stretch as others may think.

Whether critisising playesr for something they haven't yet done is fair is of course another thing.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: KevinGage on May 22, 2020, 09:10:54 AM
An educated guess might cover most of what you've mentioned there.

Educated insight (and foresight, no less) suggests personal expertise about the fitness (or lack of) of elite level athletes. Ie not guesswork and not internet bobbins cobbled together from a few reports on Sky Sports News, Pop Bitch, or whatever.

I'm just curious about this expertise.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on May 22, 2020, 09:28:29 AM
An educated guess might cover most of what you've mentioned there.

Educated insight (and foresight, no less) suggests personal expertise about the fitness (or lack of) of elite level athletes. Ie not guesswork and not internet bobbins cobbled together from a few reports on Sky Sports News, Pop Bitch, or whatever.

I'm just curious about this expertise.
It must be pretty obvious to you that English isn't Footy's first language, so maybe give a bit of leeway on phraseology rather than trying to be a smartarse.

And a direct quote from Dean Smith and another from the player himself is hardly internet bobbins from Pop Bitch is it?
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: KevinGage on May 22, 2020, 09:36:19 AM
So that's no expertise then, got ya.

Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on May 22, 2020, 09:55:26 AM
So that's no expertise then, got ya.


More smart arseing.

Footy backed up his view with direct quotes and examples. 

I look forward to you never posting again on any subject you don't have expertise in.  Please ensure you never put forward any conjecture or opinion unless it is backed up by at least degree level education or personal first class experience or expertise.

Cheers.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: KevinGage on May 22, 2020, 10:30:15 AM
We could go the route of trying to decode this gibbersih as per a Paul Lambert post match interview and say "when he said this, he actually meant this..." 

But I pay him enough credit to accept he meant what he said.

It's not the first time we've been blessed with this sort of thing. He was educating us last year about the danger of McGinn missing the back end of last season due to too many yellow cards and was concerned that no one else could see this possibility apart from him- despite most of the match threads saying the exact same thing.

More recently it's about Wesley's patchy form pre injury or our defensive woes that - again - he was somehow ahead of the curve on.

So in isolation, I'd have agreed with your first post.  But taken together it's consistent with the earlier approach.

Players being more susceptible to injury to to a high volume of games in a short period?  Players being at different levels fitness-wise due to the lockdown? Amazing.

Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Somniloquism on May 22, 2020, 10:48:04 AM
Every player in every team will have lost match fitness and sharpness. How many have really not bothered and totally taken the piss remains to be seen. Personally I would have thought most footballers have fitness equipment in their home and big back gardens and I would imagine most of them have kept themselves pretty fit during the break, even if they just kept fit to relieve the boredom.

Some players live in apartments actually with no gardens

Are you defending Targett now?

If only Eastie was here he would know the accommodation details of the team along with the Alarm code and how easy it is to place hidden cameras.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: in exile on May 22, 2020, 11:48:15 AM
KevinGage - just do what I do. Scroll through any post he makes. It makes for a much better experience
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Vill I An on May 22, 2020, 01:29:01 PM
Yeah scroll on if not interested but let me enlighten you a lot of premier league players and associates read their own player threads on forums. Even more so at this time.

That ever occurred to you? The amount of free time pro footballers have ! And even more so during lock down.
And if it didn't occur to you it's another reason to me being useful round these parts to let people know these things happen.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 22, 2020, 01:30:41 PM
Yeah scroll on if not interested but let me enlighten you a lot of premier league players and associates read their own player threads on forums. Even more so at this time.

That ever occurred to you? The amount of free time pro footballers have ! And even more so during lock down.
And if it didn't occur to you it's another reason to me being useful round these parts to let people know these things happen.


Thanks for letting me know that. Can you do tax returns?
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Vill I An on May 22, 2020, 01:31:00 PM
Every player in every team will have lost match fitness and sharpness. How many have really not bothered and totally taken the piss remains to be seen. Personally I would have thought most footballers have fitness equipment in their home and big back gardens and I would imagine most of them have kept themselves pretty fit during the break, even if they just kept fit to relieve the boredom.

Some players live in apartments actually with no gardens

Are you defending Targett now?

If only Eastie was here he would know the accommodation details of the team along with the Alarm code and how easy it is to place hidden cameras.

No more an acknowledgement to the players who keep themselves fit
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: LeeB on May 22, 2020, 03:21:43 PM
Yeah scroll on if not interested but let me enlighten you a lot of premier league players and associates read their own player threads on forums. Even more so at this time.

That ever occurred to you? The amount of free time pro footballers have ! And even more so during lock down.
And if it didn't occur to you it's another reason to me being useful round these parts to let people know these things happen.


Has it ever occured to you that people have the access to do the same if they wish, but probably don't because they're not in the slightest bit fucking interested?
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 23, 2020, 02:03:28 PM
Can we give it a fucking rest on battering our own players? Just for a little bit while the world is falling to pieces and though much less importantly, we have one foot inside the PL relegation trapdoor.

'Battering' LOL.

And as you quite rightly say, the world is falling to pieces, in which case what's the fucking point getting all mardy because some people are suggesting the players who have got us with one foot in the relegation trapdoor aren't up to much.

Oh and I notice it is generally ok when it's you doing the battering.

Youíve done plenty of that yourself over the years. And then criticized others for the same. I think youíll find the glass on your house and everyone elseís for that matter on an internet forum for football fans is a little thin.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Axl Rose on May 23, 2020, 02:14:40 PM
So that's no expertise then, got ya.


More smart arseing.

Footy backed up his view with direct quotes and examples. 

I look forward to you never posting again on any subject you don't have expertise in.  Please ensure you never put forward any conjecture or opinion unless it is backed up by at least degree level education or personal first class experience or expertise.

Cheers.

Oh dear.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: Axl Rose on May 23, 2020, 02:23:09 PM
Yeah scroll on if not interested but let me enlighten you a lot of premier league players and associates read their own player threads on forums. Even more so at this time.

That ever occurred to you? The amount of free time pro footballers have ! And even more so during lock down.
And if it didn't occur to you it's another reason to me being useful round these parts to let people know these things happen.


Oh dear dear.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: LeeB on May 23, 2020, 02:42:16 PM
Yeah scroll on if not interested but let me enlighten you a lot of premier league players and associates read their own player threads on forums. Even more so at this time.

That ever occurred to you? The amount of free time pro footballers have ! And even more so during lock down.
And if it didn't occur to you it's another reason to me being useful round these parts to let people know these things happen.


Oh dear dear.

Everyone loves a self-appointed oracle.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: john e on May 23, 2020, 02:51:15 PM
Iíll argue with anyone about anything
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on May 23, 2020, 02:59:16 PM
No you won't.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 23, 2020, 03:03:39 PM
Anyway, is Matt Target an athlete or a sugar plum fairy ?
Discuss.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: CT on May 29, 2020, 07:46:20 PM
Matt is sporting a JPA style hairband now.

Doesnít look overweight at all though, at least in the official pics.
Title: Re: Matt Targett - signed
Post by: BoVillan esq on May 29, 2020, 08:21:53 PM
Anyway, is Matt Target an athlete or a sugar plum fairy ?
Discuss.

Well i'm going with the sugar plum fairy, that wants to be an athlete.
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