Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: lennythekad on June 15, 2019, 08:46:30 PM
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Anybody looking for the Children of the Revolution book, by Richard Whitehead?. My mates got a near mint/vgc copy. He’s looking for £25, plus £3 postage. Based in Cannock.
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That is a bargain.
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I'd be interested, mate. Give us a PM if it's still available please 😊
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I'd be interested, mate. Give us a PM if it's still available please 😊
If you haven't read it you're in for a treat.
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I haven't, have been after a copy for a while but it's always been silly money.
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I paid £70 for mine quite a few years ago so £25 is a bargain
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It’s the definitive story of the Villa in the 1970’s.
Has pride of place in my downstairs loo.
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Sold to cdbullyweefan
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I was lucky enough to be given a copy of it only this week. Looking forward to reading it.
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Sold to cdbullyweefan
Cheers mate 😊
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Brilliant read, you're in for a treat
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I borrowed Chico’s copy to read.
Strangely, you get some grit in your eyes in places.
Whitehead writes brilliantly.
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Can we ask the new owners or anyone else to support the re-issue of this book?
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Can we ask the new owners or anyone else to support the re-issue of this book?
It's been talked about many times but nobody has ever managed to get author and publisher together.
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Brilliant book, only criticism I'd have of it is that the author write that history doesn't neatly fit in to decades at the start, but then stops the book in 1979 rather than carry on to 1982, which would seem the more obvious year to me - write about the club going from its lowest point to its highest.
But regardless, it's a fantastic book, superbly written.
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On a slightly different slant I’ve just found an original 1960 copy of Peter Morris History of Aston Villa book. Can’t wait to get started...
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I had a copy of Peter Morris's The First Hundred Years, which I picked up for 10p in a jumble sale circa 1985. Unfortunately, it wasn't in great condition when I got it and I subsequently binned it after a couple of reads. A pity.
As we're fast approaching the sesquicentenary (yes, I had to look it up), perhaps one of the esteemed authors amongst us might consider penning a successor?
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Be nice if we can do something good in 2024. 1974 was a bit shit and we lost a cup final in 1924.
A second European Cup would be a nice way to round off the first 150 years and, no doubt, a nice moneyspinner for the Woodhalls of this world.
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I doubt any niche book about Aston Villa would be a moneyspinner for anyone.
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I borrowed Chico’s copy to read.
Strangely, you get some grit in your eyes in places.
Whitehead writes brilliantly.
He started writing a history of our FA cup exploits which never saw the light of day. He sent me a couple of chapters he’d completed and they were fantastically well written and researched.
He works for Wisden now.
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I doubt any niche book about Aston Villa would be a moneyspinner for anyone.
Quality writing by an impoverished author on a club that matters to them brings more to the genre than yet another Liverpool/Man Utd/etc picture book knocked off before lunch by a monied hack.
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Brilliant book, only criticism I'd have of it is that the author write that history doesn't neatly fit in to decades at the start, but then stops the book in 1979 rather than carry on to 1982, which would seem the more obvious year to me - write about the club going from its lowest point to its highest.
But regardless, it's a fantastic book, superbly written.
There's a reason for that but you can't speak ill of it.
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I doubt any niche book about Aston Villa would be a moneyspinner for anyone.
Quality writing by an impoverished author on a club that matters to them brings more to the genre than yet another Liverpool/Man Utd/etc picture book knocked off before lunch by a monied hack.
I couldn't agree more. I'm just saying that it's unlikely to spin much money, which is probably why it hasn't been written yet. Writers have to make a living too.
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There are a few on Amazon for around £30 if anyone else is after this book-
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/offer-listing/0946866511/ref=tmm_pap_used_olp_sr?ie=UTF8&condition=used&qid=&sr=
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Brilliant book, only criticism I'd have of it is that the author write that history doesn't neatly fit in to decades at the start, but then stops the book in 1979 rather than carry on to 1982, which would seem the more obvious year to me - write about the club going from its lowest point to its highest.
But regardless, it's a fantastic book, superbly written.
There's a reason for that but you can't speak ill of it.
He’d have to change the subtitle wouldn’t he? If I’m remembering it correctly.
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What's the book and that classic anecdote of the author finding himself in Aston Hall with Pongo Waring, and thinking the legend isn't listening to him until Pongo pipes up with heart-pulling Villa goodness? It gets me every time.
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What's the book and that classic anecdote of the author finding himself in Aston Hall with Pongo Waring, and thinking the legend isn't listening to him until Pongo pipes up with heart-pulling Villa goodness? It gets me every time.
Peter Morris: The First 100 Years.
"Every time you come back here it must bring back memories Pongo” I said. He stared out for a long while. I thought he’d forgotten I was there. “Aye,” he said suddenly, “aye, they’re a great club…the greatest.” I stood and looked with him, this old man whose goals had set the Villa crowds roaring so long ago. It was not quite dusk on that March afternoon and I saw them too…they were out again, the old ghosts…Jack Hughes, scorer just about one hundred years earlier of Aston Villa’s first goal (perhaps to the very day)…George Ramsay…the Hunter brothers…Willie McGregor…Denny Hodgetts…legion upon legion of them on parade now, filling the field with claret and blue…the century with pride.
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What's the book and that classic anecdote of the author finding himself in Aston Hall with Pongo Waring, and thinking the legend isn't listening to him until Pongo pipes up with heart-pulling Villa goodness? It gets me every time.
Peter Morris: The First 100 Years.
"Every time you come back here it must bring back memories Pongo” I said. He stared out for a long while. I thought he’d forgotten I was there. “Aye,” he said suddenly, “aye, they’re a great club…the greatest.” I stood and looked with him, this old man whose goals had set the Villa crowds roaring so long ago. It was not quite dusk on that March afternoon and I saw them too…they were out again, the old ghosts…Jack Hughes, scorer just about one hundred years earlier of Aston Villa’s first goal (perhaps to the very day)…George Ramsay…the Hunter brothers…Willie McGregor…Denny Hodgetts…legion upon legion of them on parade now, filling the field with claret and blue…the century with pride.
The greatest paragraph ever written about any football club.
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Amen to that. Cheers PWS.
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I bought, or at least I hope I bought the Peter Morris book on Amazon today. The title just states "Aston Villa" with an accompanying picture, see below. For anyone who has the book in question, does it look anything like this admittedly crappy picture? I figured for less than a tenner it was worth the gamble. Hope it's not falling to bits...
(https://i.ibb.co/Sx0ShMj/41-Tb-G7-X40-L-AC-SY400.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Sx0ShMj)
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I bought, or at least I hope I bought the Peter Morris book on Amazon today. The title just states "Aston Villa" with an accompanying picture, see below. For anyone who has the book in question, does it look anything like this admittedly crappy picture? I figured for less than a tenner it was worth the gamble. Hope it's not falling to bits...
(https://i.ibb.co/Sx0ShMj/41-Tb-G7-X40-L-AC-SY400.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Sx0ShMj)
It forms the basis of The First Hundred Years, and you should know my opinion of that book by now.
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Eamonn, yes looks very similar to the one on my bookshelf which my uncle ‘leant’ to me when I was a kid.
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Looks like my copy aswell.
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Great stuff, thanks gents.
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Check the copyright page. 100 Years I assume was published in 1974.
He also did this one which is just 'Aston Villa' which should be copyright 1961 (I think)
(https://images-eu.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41A8nnGLQhL._SL500_SX292_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg)
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Or who is the publisher? As thinking about it Morris did 3 Villa books I think.
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It could be that there was a book club edition and a 'proper' one.
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Check the copyright page. 100 Years I assume was published in 1974.
He also did this one which is just 'Aston Villa' which should be copyright 1961 (I think)
(https://images-eu.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41A8nnGLQhL._SL500_SX292_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg)
That's the cover of the 1961 one. Take that off and it looks like Eamonn's.
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There's at least 2, as he did this
(https://pictures.abebooks.com/AGON_SPORTSWORLD/md/md30279785253.jpg)
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Well I've never seen that before.
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Ok, as far as I can tell from a bit of digging this is 1 edition as both people that posted pics did the publisher as Sportsman Book Club.
(https://images-eu.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41A8nnGLQhL._SL500_SX292_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg)(https://pictures.abebooks.com/AGON_SPORTSWORLD/md/md30279785253.jpg)
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Then there's this which is Naldrett Press / Heinemann, but whether 1 is book club and one 'proper' publisher i'm not sure.
(https://pictures.abebooks.com/SPORTSPAGESUK/md/md1926598761.jpg)
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And First 100 Years was published by the Villa I think. Nearly all my Villa books are boxed away so can't look it up any other way.
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The original is Naldrett Press, 100 Years was published by Villa. The latter has "First published 1960 by" at the front.
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The original is Naldrett Press, 100 Years was published by Villa. The latter has "First published 1960 by" at the front.
100 Years in 1960? I think you meant former.
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The original is Naldrett Press, 100 Years was published by Villa. The latter has "First published 1960 by" at the front.
100 Years in 1960? I think you meant former.
No, the 1974 edition says it was first published in 1960, which shows that it was an updated version rather than an entirely new book.
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Ah got you.
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It also solves a mystery that I didn't grasp when i first read 100 Years. It talks about "living memory" with regards to Villa's formation, which would be impossible for something a century old, but just about possible for 86 years from 1960.
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While we are on the subject of history, the other day I watched a documentary about the influence of religion on football and the first episode (the only episode I bothered to watch) was about Villa.
Was decent enough, not particularly preachy.
What I was surprised about was the presenter's claim that, during our first game (or even games, not sure), we were called Aston Villa Wesleyan Football Club. Never heard that before and always thought that we had never changed our name. Is he right?
Documentary was on Amazon Prime and called "Thank God For Football" if anyone else is interested, BTW.
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While we are on the subject of history, the other day I watched a documentary about the influence of religion on football and the first episode (the only episode I bothered to watch) was about Villa.
Was decent enough, not particularly preachy.
What I was surprised about was the presenter's claim that, during our first game (or even games, not sure), we were called Aston Villa Wesleyan Football Club. Never heard that before and always thought that we had never changed our name. Is he right?
Documentary was on Amazon Prime and called "Thank God For Football" if anyone else is interested, BTW.
If it was Peter Lupson he's usually right about most things but whenever I've met him he never said that.
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Yep, it was him just checked.
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I got to know him during the McGregor grave renovations but he never mentioned that and I've never seen it before.
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While we are on the subject of history, the other day I watched a documentary about the influence of religion on football and the first episode (the only episode I bothered to watch) was about Villa.
Was decent enough, not particularly preachy.
What I was surprised about was the presenter's claim that, during our first game (or even games, not sure), we were called Aston Villa Wesleyan Football Club. Never heard that before and always thought that we had never changed our name. Is he right?
Documentary was on Amazon Prime and called "Thank God For Football" if anyone else is interested, BTW.
Woman on the stadium tour said that yesterday I’d never heard of it before either
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And our Club Anthem was Underneath the Lamplight.
Not a lot of people know that.
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While we are on the subject of history, the other day I watched a documentary about the influence of religion on football and the first episode (the only episode I bothered to watch) was about Villa.
Was decent enough, not particularly preachy.
What I was surprised about was the presenter's claim that, during our first game (or even games, not sure), we were called Aston Villa Wesleyan Football Club. Never heard that before and always thought that we had never changed our name. Is he right?
Documentary was on Amazon Prime and called "Thank God For Football" if anyone else is interested, BTW.
Woman on the stadium tour said that yesterday I’d never heard of it before either
If it's the same woman I had, she comes out with some very nice but totally untrue stories. Did you hear the one about the Holte End being so-called because it was a condition of buying the Lower Grounds?
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Would there be any record of that anywhere though? Old copies of newspapers? Surely all of that has been trawled before?
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Would there be any record of that anywhere though? Old copies of newspapers? Surely all of that has been trawled before?
A lot of old history seems to be sprouting up lately that nobody had managed to find before. Most of it is bollocks.
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For what its worth, there was an Aston Villa Wesleyan Football Club.
They played in the Aston & District League in the 1890s and were still knocking about in the 1920s.
It seems unlikely that there would be 2 versions of them.
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Not sure about that. There have been at least two Clydes and two Crystal Palaces, off the top of my head. So not impossible teams would have the same name.
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While we are on the subject of history, the other day I watched a documentary about the influence of religion on football and the first episode (the only episode I bothered to watch) was about Villa.
Was decent enough, not particularly preachy.
What I was surprised about was the presenter's claim that, during our first game (or even games, not sure), we were called Aston Villa Wesleyan Football Club. Never heard that before and always thought that we had never changed our name. Is he right?
Documentary was on Amazon Prime and called "Thank God For Football" if anyone else is interested, BTW.
Woman on the stadium tour said that yesterday I’d never heard of it before either
If it's the same woman I had, she comes out with some very nice but totally untrue stories. Did you hear the one about the Holte End being so-called because it was a condition of buying the Lower Grounds?
can’t recall mate she had being doing it 15 years
she’d seen 10 managers whilst working there I asked her who was the best behind the scenes
said didn’t really get to know them but Gerard Houlier was her favourite always had time for everyone and MON could be a bit of a mardy arse
who’d have thought
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I've just bought the Peter Morris book from Ebay for £6.99!
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Mine arrived, it is the 1960 original. No sign of the classic Pongo story although I've only leafed through it. Maybe it's only in the centenary edition.
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Mine arrived, it is the 1960 original. No sign of the classic Pongo story although I've only leafed through it. Maybe it's only in the centenary edition.
It's the postscript to the 1974 book; it mentions Little and Gidman.
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Maybe a kind soul will type it up in full some time :)
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My Cannock based mate has now got another copy of Children of the Revolution book. It’s in vgc condition. £30 plus £3 postage, if anyone’s interested.
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Yes please. I am interested.
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Selling my signed copy too. Probably next year when I list all my Villa-related memorabilia.
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I can't remember if I posted it in the book thread but I loved this, thanks Lenny. Highly recommended.
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Yes please. I am interested.
I’ll pm you, mate.
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I can't remember if I posted it in the book thread but I loved this, thanks Lenny. Highly recommended.
You’re welcome, mate. Probably my favourite Villa book.
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I can't remember if I posted it in the book thread but I loved this, thanks Lenny. Highly recommended.
You’re welcome, mate. Probably my favourite Villa book.
Ahem...
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I can't remember if I posted it in the book thread but I loved this, thanks Lenny
You’re welcome, mate. Probably my favourite Villa book.
Ahem...
Well.... nearly my favourite 😜
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I can't remember if I posted it in the book thread but I loved this, thanks Lenny
You’re welcome, mate. Probably my favourite Villa book.
Ahem...
Well.... nearly my favourite 😜
That's better.
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Selling my signed copy too. Probably next year when I list all my Villa-related memorabilia.
First dibs when you do, please Leeg.
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Gradually working through my divorce boxes. Sold most of my non-CD music collection. Villa stuff is next up. DVDs, books, VHS, framed prints, cigarette cards, progs etc etc. If I come across the book in one of the boxes next time I am sorting stuff out I will let you know.
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Yes please. I am interested.
I’ll pm you, mate.
Thanks Lenny, I've PMd you and sent details.
If it's half as good as the DW book I have, it should be a good read.
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It's a cracking read.
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Yes please. I am interested.
I’ll pm you, mate.
Thanks Lenny, I've PMd you and sent details.
If it's half as good as the DW book I have, it should be a good read.
You only have one? I must have been slipping.
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Dave your first book was exceptional. Really enjoyed it and deserves to be placed in the top tier of all-tine great Villa books.
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Dave your first book was exceptional. Really enjoyed it and deserves to be placed in the top tier of all-tine great Villa books.
That's more like it. Thank you.
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A genuine pleasure. You need to write more books and less editing fanzines.
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A genuine pleasure. You need to write more books and less editing fanzines.
Find me a publisher and I will.
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From One Season to the Next was my favourite.
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I've never regretted
being bullied into buying any of Dave's books.
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I have all of them. Champions is a good read.
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A genuine pleasure. You need to write more books and less editing fanzines.
Find me a publisher and I will.
OK I'll try my best to. A friend designs J. Archer's book covers, I'll start by asking her / she works for Macmillan.
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I'm selling a copy in VGC, signed by Richard Whitehead.
£40, including postage if anyone is interested.
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not been on for awhile due to working on you know what, but I have just bought this for £30 on Amazon.
Really looking forward to reading it.
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The Doc
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not been on for awhile due to working on you know what, but I have just bought this for £30 on Amazon.
Really looking forward to reading it.
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The Doc
Warning - don't start reading it thinking you'll just do a few pages before something more important. Next thing you know the sun will be rising and you've lost an entire day.
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not been on for awhile due to working on you know what, but I have just bought this for £30 on Amazon.
Really looking forward to reading it.
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The Doc
Warning - don't start reading it thinking you'll just do a few pages before something more important. Next thing you know the sun will be rising and you've lost an entire day.
cheers Dave, I'm going to leave until I am off work(not sure when that will be)and with plenty of time. It is one of those books that I have always wanted to have but have seen some amazing pricing for it.
so I waited and I'm happy to get it for £30.
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The Doc
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not been on for awhile due to working on you know what, but I have just bought this for £30 on Amazon.
Really looking forward to reading it.
UTV
The Doc
Warning - don't start reading it thinking you'll just do a few pages before something more important. Next thing you know the sun will be rising and you've lost an entire day.
I agree. I was born after that era - have a photo of me, 3 weeks old, watching the European Cup final. Even without living through it, it's a great book, probably my favourite about the Villa.
The only criticism, raised on here before, was that having said in the introduction that history rarely fits neatly in to decades, it stops just before the more obvious finishing point of the European Cup win. Know the reason for that, but given the prices it's going for is there any chance of Richard Whitehead being convinced to write a second edition that includes the 80/81 and 81/82 seasons?
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not been on for awhile due to working on you know what, but I have just bought this for £30 on Amazon.
Really looking forward to reading it.
UTV
The Doc
Warning - don't start reading it thinking you'll just do a few pages before something more important. Next thing you know the sun will be rising and you've lost an entire day.
I agree. I was born after that era - have a photo of me, 3 weeks old, watching the European Cup final. Even without living through it, it's a great book, probably my favourite about the Villa.
The only criticism, raised on here before, was that having said in the introduction that history rarely fits neatly in to decades, it stops just before the more obvious finishing point of the European Cup win. Know the reason for that, but given the prices it's going for is there any chance of Richard Whitehead being convinced to write a second edition that includes the 80/81 and 81/82 seasons?
I've asked him many a time but he's never got round to it. The best place for a reprint to end would be the Bolton game in 1978-80, after the EGM and with ten of the fourteen involved.
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Selling my signed copy too. Probably next year when I list all my Villa-related memorabilia.
First dibs when you do, please Leeg.
Found it. PM if still interested.
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Selling my signed copy too. Probably next year when I list all my Villa-related memorabilia.
First dibs when you do, please Leeg.
Found it. PM if still interested.
PM sent Legion.
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Now sold and sent to dicedlam. The rest of my Villa-related literary collection is also up for sale should anyone be interested.