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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: kippaxvilla2 on May 30, 2019, 12:07:18 AM
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How absolutely brilliant was it for this to be playing briefly before they lifted the trophy?! My spine was tingling.
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Possibly in a minority of one here, but I can't stand it. I don't really remember it being played at the ground, so don't have that emotional connection to it, and as a piece of music it's just shit. Sorry.
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Martin, Martin, Martin how could you?! I don’t care we are Premier League......didn’t you want dean out???!
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That music takes me back to being a kid and running home from school to listen to George Gavin on a crackly line from Simferopol on a Wednesday afternoon or a tense, balmy evening praying for a result in Brussells. It's special to me.
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It's been played at most home matches in my 40+ years of going.
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I like it. It's not exactly one that you'll get 40,000 singing along to, but it feels right. I associate it with watching Villa in my youth when I would be counting down the seconds to my next Villa game. I'd be happy if they played it before every match, before switching to Children Of The Grave as the players entered the pitch.
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That music takes me back to being a kid and running home from school to listen to George Gavin on a crackly line from Simferopol on a Wednesday afternoon or a tense, balmy evening praying for a result in Brussells. It's special to me.
Tony Butler ‘get out yer prayer mats’
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Have to admit, it caught me by surprise (being played at the point we went to lift the trophy). It brought a tear or two to my eye. I find the tune emotional in normal circumstances but to have it played out of the blue just as we'd won one of, if not the most important matches in our history. For me, it is THE Villa signature tune.
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Possibly in a minority of one here, but I can't stand it. I don't really remember it being played at the ground, so don't have that emotional connection to it, and as a piece of music it's just shit. Sorry.
You are not. I understand why it is part of Villa lore but it does nothing for me.
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I play it regularly and miss it being played at Villa Park. It was the expectancy of the players coming out when it was played and everyone stood up looking towards the tunnel. It brings back lots of memories for me and I was shocked when it was played at Wembley. Absolutely capped off a brilliant day for me
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Possibly in a minority of one here, but I can't stand it. I don't really remember it being played at the ground, so don't have that emotional connection to it, and as a piece of music it's just shit. Sorry.
You are not. I understand why it is part of Villa lore but it does nothing for me.
Yeah, me neither.
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It’s been the ringtone on my phone for years.
It takes me back, I love it.
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You've no soul, man. Nearly bought a tear to me eye when they played it as we went up to lift the trophy on Monday!
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It was fantastic when it was played, loved it and what brilliant timing
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It takes me back to the happy days of Ron Saunders 1970's time when we were envied and much loved by fans and local media alike.
A very special piece of music to me
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Forgive my ignorance, was it played when the players came out back in the day?
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Possibly in a minority of one here, but I can't stand it. I don't really remember it being played at the ground, so don't have that emotional connection to it, and as a piece of music it's just shit. Sorry.
You are not. I understand why it is part of Villa lore but it does nothing for me.
Yeah, me neither.
Off to the naughty corner all three of you and think about what you’ve said!
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It is one of those things that will mean lots to you or absolutely nothing depending on how you experienced it back in the day. It reminds me of the whole experience of going to the match as a kid - thousands of people streaming through the streets (so many more people used to walk further to the ground back then), the AV floodlights, the immense green-ness of the pitch coming into view as we went up into the stand, the old scoreboard which involved looking in the program to see which match was which - all of that stuff.
As a piece of music it is dirge (mind you, so is HEITS, or the original GRITS), it just triggers memories for me, but that sort of thing is a personal reaction so totally understand why it means nothing for others.
It's like the round badge. Means so much to a lot of us, but there are now whole generations for whom it means nothing.
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I loved hearing it, and thought it was a nice nod to our more successful days. Reminds me of when I first started watching Villa as
kid and brings back special memories. I actually felt uncharacteristically emotional when I heard it, brought a lump to my throat. Suspect it had something to do with Dean as it is from his era.
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It's been played at most home matches in my 40+ years of going.
What I mean is, I never went to a match in the 70's, so I don't associate it with a particular period.
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They were definitely playing it much later than that as I didn't start going until 1988.
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They played it through the 90s too.
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They were definitely playing it much later than that as I didn't start going until 1988.
I went to the odd match with my granddad in the early 80s, but after he died, I started going more regularly in the late 80s, and then had a season ticket from 1991 when I was at university. Don't recall it all from back then. But anyway, if it means something to most people then that's great. I liked it when we ran out to Arcade Fire, so what do I know?!
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My recollection - and I'll stand corrected - was that it was played in the 70s, got dropped (possibly as through Tony Butler it became associated with all West Midlands football and not just the Villa) and re-surfaced when being in the Premiership meant creating a choreographed "occasion" regardless of the fixture.
As it so happens, the childhood memory that the music evokes in me is more Saturday teatimes listening to the BRMB phone-in rather than actually being at Villa Park. That was more the atmosphere, the chants and the dawning realization that the fact my dad didn't use a swear word in every sentence made him fairly unusual.
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Everton have got the Z cars tune
you can’t sing along to that either And I’ve no idea what the connection is but it’s now a tradition for them
sometimes there’s no rhyme or reason to things they just happen and evolve then become part of you
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Forgive my ignorance, was it played when the players came out back in the day?
I first remember hearing it mid 70's as a tune played before a game. As mentioned a few posts back it was played on BRMB by Tony Butler and for whatever reason became synonymous with Villa when we were "on our prayer mats" looking for a goal. Sometimes it worked. As a result it was adopted as the tune players came out to at the beginning of games and start of the 2nd half too.. I like it only for nostalgic reasons. As a stand alone piece of music it's awful. However, if it's readopted and we get success then it will be one of the best pieces of music ever.
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Now all we need is the round badge back.
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Everton have got the Z cars tune
you can’t sing along to that either And I’ve no idea what the connection is but it’s now a tradition for them
sometimes there’s no rhyme or reason to things they just happen and evolve then become part of you
Irish/Liverpool folk song/sea shanty https://www.irish-folk-songs.com/johnny-todd-lyrics-and-chords.html (https://www.irish-folk-songs.com/johnny-todd-lyrics-and-chords.html)
Used at Watford under GT too
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Z Cars was set in a Liverpool 60s overspill based on Kirkby. I don't know the actually red/blue split, but I did know two people from the town when I was a student and they were both Evertonians.
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Now all we need is the round badge back.
gets my Vote
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Now all we need is the round badge back.
gets my Vote
I’d like it back as well, Although more recognisable to the world as Chelsea’s now.
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Reminds me of my Villa youth , my dad and my grandad
Whats not to like...
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I've always liked it. What I can't stand is the awful entrance music/ screeching when the players enter the pitch. What is it?
Why not have Hi Ho Silver Lining instead??
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Now all we need is the round badge back.
gets my Vote
I’d like it back as well, Although more recognisable to the world as Chelsea’s now.
Absolutely this. I’d be surprised if it’s not already on the new owners to do list.
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Possibly in a minority of one here, but I can't stand it. I don't really remember it being played at the ground, so don't have that emotional connection to it, and as a piece of music it's just shit. Sorry.
You are not. I understand why it is part of Villa lore but it does nothing for me.
Yeah, me neither.
Same here.
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The thing about run out music is that - as seen on here every time it is raised (remember general krulak getting asked about it all the time) - you'll never get a consensus out anything like one.
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What I can't stand is the awful entrance music/ screeching when the players enter the pitch. What is it?
Why not have Hi Ho Silver Lining instead??
Agree. The current entrance “music” is just noise for the sake of noise.
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It's always a good sign when this and the badge are the pressing concerns. For what it's worth I'm just glad we don't have a cup final song to run out to.
I quite like Crazy Train, Ghost riders etc, I even miss the Thunderbirds countdown.
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Ricki Disoni's awful "Hey Aston Villa" was surely our worst walk out tune? I've got it on vinyl somewhere, unplayed.
I loved it when Theme from an unmade silent movie was played on Monday. Perfect ( even if it does remind me of the Thomas The Tank Engine theme)
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I associate it with making my ears bleed.
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I love it. When I hear it it makes me think of a successful Villa team and the round crest and old Trinity Road stand. I wasn't alive during those times so I don't have the connection with it that some do, I just love the song though.
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I loved it when it was played on Monday because it resonates with me probably as im a certain age and triggers a lot of good memories. I cant well understand if it means nothing to you, because its never been a constant like Z cars or that shite they play at Newcastle
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Can’t stand it personally means nothing to me but it is a part of the club from the last 40-50 years so I can see why it’s important to others.
The real enemy here is music piped into the ground for you to sing along to. Please do fuck off with this and a particular problem at Wembley.
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Nothing is as bad as when we won the League Cup in 94, and they were playing the Coca Cola advert music over and over, which people were actually trying to sing along to. Think they also played You'll Never Walk Alone as well.
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God I remember that, truly atrocious.
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Run out music = Immigrant song - Led Zepplin
and also the lion on the screen - I want a real one roaring like in the old MGM movie openings
https://youtu.be/nrLyllumxts
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That music takes me back to being a kid and running home from school to listen to George Gavin on a crackly line from Simferopol on a Wednesday afternoon or a tense, balmy evening praying for a result in Brussells. It's special to me.
Tony Butler ‘get out yer prayer mats’
Exactly the memory it brings for me.
On Monday, when it played, I instantly thought of Tony bloody Butler.
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I've never known it to be played at the Villa when I've gone but I know from reading this forum it's intrinsically a Villa piece. When they played it at Wembley as we went up the steps I had dust in my eye. They managed to evoke the glorious ghosts of Aston Villa FC.
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I love this. Another Villa tune that I think is criminally overlooked is the "A.S.T.O.N..." Dave Ismay song from the 70s.
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I said elsewhere on here yesterday that the song has resonance for me as I was in my teens in the 70s. It reminds me of watching John Gidman flicking the ball over his head with his heel in front of the Trinity. It always reminds me of afternoon kick offs rather than night games.
It sure ain't a rousing piece of music so I'm ok to hear it 15 minutes before kick off but I don't want the team coming out to it when we need to be roaring them on.
As mentioned above, I'd rather they stopped the piped music stuff after the game at Wembley and let us sing our own songs. By the way, a glaring omission from the Now That;s What I call Aston Villa hit list on Monday evening was The Bells Are Ringing.
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And the players kicking AVFC footballs into the Holte End. Or did I totally imagine that?!
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And the players kicking AVFC footballs into the Holte End. Or did I totally imagine that?!
Yes!
I had forgotten about that
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Now all we need is the round badge back.
gets my Vote
I’d like it back as well, Although more recognisable to the world as Chelsea’s now.
Absolutely this. I’d be surprised if it’s not already on the new owners to do list.
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Totally agree.....never trusted anyone who doesn't want the round badge back!
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'We're going up' from our promotion season in 1975 is pretty apt. Check it out on YouTube. Resonates well with now.
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Possibly in a minority of one here, but I can't stand it. I don't really remember it being played at the ground, so don't have that emotional connection to it, and as a piece of music it's just shit. Sorry.
You are not. I understand why it is part of Villa lore but it does nothing for me.
Yeah, me neither.
Another vote for its shiiite. Woeful piece of music.
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Possibly in a minority of one here, but I can't stand it. I don't really remember it being played at the ground, so don't have that emotional connection to it, and as a piece of music it's just shit. Sorry.
You are not. I understand why it is part of Villa lore but it does nothing for me.
Yeah, me neither.
Another vote for its shiiite. Woeful piece of music.
Does absolutely nothing for me either. It makes Hi Ho Silver Lining sound like Vivaldi.
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I'd dread to think what you lot think of the cringeworthy "empty seats m'lord".
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I'd dread to think what you lot think of the cringeworthy "empty seats m'lord".
It’s shit.
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Ads, Risso et al are all ‘Birmingham are you listening’ officianado’s.
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I love it and, since Monday, keep finding myself whistling it. Mind you, I’m an oldie goldie as well and brings back many happy memories. Doesn’t have to be the one the team comes out to but, always enjoy it when it’s played.
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Love it as it reminds me of when I used to go down Villa Park with my dad as does Red River Rock if I've got the right title UTV!
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As a under thirty who grew up with this song on one of my dad's old records.... I adore this song and think it's intrinsically linked to the DNA of our club.
For what it's worth, it's been played before every game this season, usually just after the teams have gone in from the warm up, and has been for the past few years, so those of you who have no recollection of hearing it must be late to your seats!
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This thread could become more polarised than the Brexit one. Or the Left Side vs the Right Side.
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Not a fan. Always reminds me when it comes on of a black and white Charlie Chaplin movie. Which is massively unfunny.
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it's definitely an age thing
I wish I was young enough to think it's just a load of jumbly old notes with no particular meaning that sounds a bit odd
but unfortunatly i'm old enough to remember the days when you heard the tune it meant Leighton Phillips or Chris Nicholl would be running out leading the team onto the pitch
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Not a fan. Always reminds me when it comes on of a black and white Charlie Chaplin movie. Which is massively unfunny.
WHAT? That's like saying Pele was shit.
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So you agree with me then not funny at all.
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Harold Lloyd over Charlie Chaplin any day for me
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Harold Lloyd over Charlie Chaplin any day for me
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Laurel and Hardy for me but in fairness most of their stuff was verbal as opposed to silent. Still funny almost a hundred years on.
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I'm an instrumental guitar geek and I was reading an article in my latest addition of Pipeline about Norman Smith, ex-recording engineer of The Shadows, but more notably all the Beatles recording up to Revolver when he was promoted to producer (1st, 2nd and 4th Pink Floyd albums).
So I looked him up for more info and I never realised he wrote the tune of this here thread!
I'm not a huge fan of the tune, but born in 1923 (glider pilot in WW2) he was mainly a jazz man. You can hear the old-style jazz background in his 1972 USA #3 solo hit "Oh, Babe What Would you Say" as Hurricane Smith. Not so much in his UK #2 "Don't Let it Die" which was a demo for Lennon, but he was persuaded to record himself. Not sure I like Norman's voice, but I can imagine Lennon's voice singing it.
Everyday an education.
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I'm an instrumental guitar geek and I was reading an article in my latest addition of Pipeline about Norman Smith, ex-recording engineer of The Shadows, but more notably all the Beatles recording up to Revolver when he was promoted to producer (1st, 2nd and 4th Pink Floyd albums).
So I looked him up for more info and I never realised he wrote the tune of this here thread!
I'm not a huge fan of the tune, but born in 1923 (glider pilot in WW2) he was mainly a jazz man. You can hear the old-style jazz background in his 1972 USA #3 solo hit "Oh, Babe What Would you Say" as Hurricane Smith. Not so much in his UK #2 "Don't Let it Die" which was a demo for Lennon, but he was persuaded to record himself. Not sure I like Norman's voice, but I can imagine Lennon's voice singing it.
Everyday an education.
Nice bit of research, mate. The theme of this thread is undoubtedly a massive link to the golden years of the 1970's when Villa rose like a Phoenix from the old 3rd division to become Champs. It was the heyday of my life - teens into early 20's - and it will forever be emblematic to that generation of fans.
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Would be better for the team to come out to rather than the current ear splitting crap they play at the moment.
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Would be better for the team to come out to rather than the current ear splitting crap they play at the moment.
Couldn't agree more. It was nearly as OTT in the Upper Holte on Sunday as it was in the Trinity earlier in the season, it's like they're trying to give everyone a headache before kick off. Plus, like you say, it's also shit. Just the noise of the crowd plus a more traditional tune like this at sensible volume would be miles better.
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Harold Lloyd over Charlie Chaplin any day for me
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Buster Keaton, Harold Lloyd, Harry Langdon for me with Chaplin just creeping into the Top 5
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Now that we've ditched "Sweet Caroline" what should be played after a victory? I'm not a big fan of "Hi Ho" (too associated with other clubs). I'd like something anthemic we could all sing along to - how about "Heroes" by Bowie? I know there's no Villa connection but does that really matter?
Afterthought; "Heroes and Villains", geddit?
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Sometimes I wish they would just not play anything and allow us to applaud the players in our own way.
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We have our own song but it came forty or fifty years too soon. The song entitled "An old shirt of claret and blue" was the much acclaimed party piece of skipper and later Villa manager Eric Houghton. Lost in the mists of antiquity regrettably.
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I've always thought that the chorus to Labbi Siffre's Something Inside So Strong would make a rousing end-of-game anthem after a good win like Sunday's. The kids have probably never heard of it though.
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It's always bothered me that Villa have never had an out and out club song/anthem. As loathe as I am to admit it, I've always secretly envied Small Heath having a song that is uniquely theirs.
Moreover, we've pinched the most inane and overplayed songs and chants from other clubs and I'm sick to the back teeth of Sweet Caroline, HiHo silver lining, Wonderwall et al.
TFAUSM is probably the closest we have to a uniquely Villa song and I've always loved it, but I understand why others don't and it's not exactly something you can sing along with.
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I’m Emery the 8th I am - Herman’s hermits
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We have our own song but it came forty or fifty years too soon. The song entitled "An old shirt of claret and blue" was the much acclaimed party piece of skipper and later Villa manager Eric Houghton. Lost in the mists of antiquity regrettably.
Richard Whitehead was trying to find the words to that a few weeks ago. I don't suppose you know any of them?
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I’m Emery the 8th I am - Herman’s hermits
Joe Brown!!!!
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The whole TFAUSM thing is like the clamour on here for the round badge.
It means everything to me, I remember hearing it as a 6 year old walking into the Witton Lane stand and seeing the massive green expanse of pitch when my Dad brought me to games in the 1970s. It was the theme tune playing in my head for most of my childhood going to games, and the round badge was what was on our chests.
It's too easy to forget that all that will mean absolutely nothing for one or two generations of fans, though.
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Had it as my ringtone for as long as I can remember, when my phone rings I like to listen to it for a few seconds before answering. Yes I know I need to get out more but it holds such happy memories for me.
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TFAUSM was used quite frequently about 15 years back pre match. I remember that awful re-hash of Bells are ringing that was our walk out music for about 3-4 games before it was mercifully ditched.
Let's be honest our main unique song is Holte enders in the Sky so that's the only thing that could be reworked to be a sort of anthem for us (and even then a portion of the lyrics would have to be altered to make it family friendly).
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Sometimes I wish they would just not play anything and allow us to applaud the players in our own way.
Fully agreed. We're not Bolton or SHA, we don't need music pumped in to boost the atmosphere.
Personally, I'd do away with the walk-out music as well. Absolute ear-splitting racket.
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I realise I'm in a minority of one, but I like the walk out music. I've even got it in my liked songs on Spotify.
TFAUSM on the other hand. Played it the other day and wasn't impressed.
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They played it at half time against Palace last season when the ‘82 squad did a lap of honour. It was a brilliant moment.
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Had it as my ringtone for as long as I can remember, when my phone rings I like to listen to it for a few seconds before answering. Yes I know I need to get out more but it holds such happy memories for me.
My ringtone as well, many happy memories. It will be the music played as I shuffle off this mortal coil. (ps I love classical music but can't stand the present tune)
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I realise I'm in a minority of one, but I like the walk out music. I've even got it in my liked songs on Spotify.
TFAUSM on the other hand. Played it the other day and wasn't impressed.
Oh I like the piece of music, I just don't like it blasted out of tinny speakers at ten million decibels.
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You're right, the speakers are shite. I can't even hear the words to David Bradleys poem in the upper Holte.
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It’s been the ringtone on my phone for years.
It takes me back, I love it.
My villa youth with my grandfather. Love it
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Sweet Caroline has to be the most inexplicably popular bag of shite i've ever heard. Fucking awful.
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Sweet Caroline has to be the most inexplicably popular bag of shite i've ever heard. Fucking awful.
Yeah, was novel at the start but now completely overplayed shite. Even heard it during the recent NFL game at Wembley.
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Had it as my ringtone for as long as I can remember, when my phone rings I like to listen to it for a few seconds before answering. Yes I know I need to get out more but it holds such happy memories for me.
My ringtone as well, many happy memories. It will be the music played as I shuffle off this mortal coil. (ps I love classical music but can't stand the present tune)
The good news is they're bringing it back as the 'entrance music', the bad news is they'll be playing it backwards.
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Sweet Caroline has to be the most inexplicably popular bag of shite i've ever heard. Fucking awful.
Yeah, was novel at the start but now completely overplayed shite. Even heard it during the recent NFL game at Wembley.
Yeah, it's a good song but totally overplayed now, even if it does give one the opportunity to sing 'Fuck the Blues'.
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Sweet Caroline has to be the most inexplicably popular bag of shite i've ever heard. Fucking awful.
Yeah, was novel at the start but now completely overplayed shite. Even heard it during the recent NFL game at Wembley.
Yeah, it's a good song but totally overplayed now, even if it does give one the opportunity to sing 'Fuck the Blues'.
I believe it's played at a great deal of games of any sport in the USA...a generic "feelgood" anthem.
It's been Reading's theme since the 90s, we picked it up during our Championship years, then it went "viral", as the kids say.
Whenever I hear it now I think of the day we got promoted and the team joining in the singing with the fans from their hotel balcony.
It was perfect for us then.
Doesn't mean much to us in the here and now.
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An unpopular one but I have never been into the playing of of Hi Ho Aston Villa. We can do better, surely?
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Just watched a re-run of our 1999 3-1 Worthington Cup quarter final win against West Ham at the Boleyn Ground. The Villa fans sing a stirring The Bells are Ringing.
This should be our anthem.
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An unpopular one but I have never been into the playing of of Hi Ho Aston Villa. We can do better, surely?
Nor me. It's traditionally a Wolves one, so no idea why we picked it up.
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As a piece of music it is dirge (mind you, so is HEITS, or the original GRITS), it just triggers memories for me, but that sort of thing is a personal reaction so totally understand why it means nothing for others.
Don't get me started on Hi Ho Silver Lining. Nobody knows the words to it so they have to pipe it through for the four words that the fans sing along to. All that and it's a Wolves song. If you listen to the words it pretty much describes their fans.
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Holte Enders in the Sky is shit!
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We've been using HHSL on and off for a fair while. It was one of the post match songs at Wembley in '96 for example.
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Has the UB40 version of '(I Can't Help) Falling In Love With You' ever been considered? Could work, no?
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Christ…
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Has the UB40 version of '(I Can't Help) Falling In Love With You' ever been considered? Could work, no?
Are you trying to get yourself banned? Jesus wept, you'll be suggesting U2 or Coldplay next.
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Maybe if we want to copy Sunderland, Hull, and other clubs.
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Has the UB40 version of '(I Can't Help) Falling In Love With You' ever been considered? Could work, no?
Are you trying to get yourself banned? Jesus wept, you'll be suggesting U2 or Coldplay next.
RHCP?