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Title: Manager merry go round
Post by: eddiemunster on May 17, 2019, 01:30:31 PM
So Tiny Penis has gone from the smog monsters, wonder which one of the long list of failures will be touted as his replacement?
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: Dave P on May 17, 2019, 01:33:15 PM
If they are clever, then Hughton or Jokanovic.  Wonder if they'll want Karanka back?
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: Richard on May 17, 2019, 01:48:41 PM
Pulis back to Albion surely ? If they want to continue with the style of football the whole world saw in the play offs surely he's the master of that !
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: Jon Crofts on May 17, 2019, 02:50:46 PM
Jonathan Woodgate would be my guess for the Smoggies, Gibson is that stupid he'll give him a 5 year contract.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: tomd2103 on May 17, 2019, 04:11:24 PM
Pulis was a dead man walking if they failed to get up this season.  You have to succeed (whether it be getting promotion or staying in the top flight) to get away with that kind of football.

Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on May 17, 2019, 04:19:15 PM
So Tiny Penis has gone from the smog monsters, wonder which one of the long list of failures will be touted as his replacement?
Big Sam.
Pardew.
The recently "parted company with" Scotland manager.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 17, 2019, 04:28:40 PM
If they are clever, then Hughton or Jokanovic. 

Can't see Jokanovic swapping life in Fulham for Smogsville UK.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: AV82EC on May 17, 2019, 05:23:47 PM
If they are clever, then Hughton or Jokanovic. 

Can't see Jokanovic swapping life in Fulham for Smogsville UK.

Jokanovic was sacked from Fulham last Autumn.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: Richard E on May 17, 2019, 05:43:21 PM
So Tiny Penis has gone from the smog monsters, wonder which one of the long list of failures will be touted as his replacement?

Jonathan Woodgate is being heavily touted, bizarrely.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 17, 2019, 05:46:22 PM
If they are clever, then Hughton or Jokanovic. 

Can't see Jokanovic swapping life in Fulham for Smogsville UK.

Jokanovic was sacked from Fulham last Autumn.

Indeed but he's still enjoying his gardening leave there and who wouldn't.
I see him going to Leeds if Bielsa decides he's had enough. It would be an ideal replacement though they lack the financing to really go for it next season.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: themossman on July 11, 2019, 07:33:32 AM
Too good to be true surely? (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48938536)
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: robbo1874 on July 11, 2019, 09:08:04 AM
The quote is classic: as far as Iím concerned Iím on holiday and looking forward to walking wor dog!

I quite like Bruce as a person, he just comes across so badly in the media. Both parties are mental in my view, if he ends up at the Toon.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: Proposition Joe on July 11, 2019, 09:25:38 AM
Speaking of managerial merry-go-rounds, despite reading the paper every day, i only just found out today that Gary Monk was sacked by Birmingham. Maybe it's my lack of attention, but I think it also confirms the difference in attention that the Prem and Championship receive.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: mr underhill on July 11, 2019, 09:27:30 AM
The least of Monk's problems given all the noise over his transfer dealings! BTW, I think OGS and Fat Frank might not make it to Christmas. Thoughts anyone?
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: papa lazarou on July 11, 2019, 09:31:05 AM
Sam Allardyce with an exclusive live on Talk Sport this morning - Newcastle approached his agent regarding going back.
He respectfully declined the offer.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: mr underhill on July 11, 2019, 09:34:20 AM
or it might just have been his agent asking if he wanted him to lobby for a return?
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 11, 2019, 10:19:10 AM
The least of Monk's problems given all the noise over his transfer dealings! BTW, I think OGS and Fat Frank might not make it to Christmas. Thoughts anyone?
I think it would have to go awfully wrong for Lampard as he will have the backing of the Chelsea faithfully for some time. The peasants are certainly ready to revolt against the people running the club.
I think it could go wrong pretty early for OGS, he does not have the experience to overhaul what looks like a clusterfuck.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: john e on July 11, 2019, 10:35:28 AM
The least of Monk's problems given all the noise over his transfer dealings! BTW, I think OGS and Fat Frank might not make it to Christmas. Thoughts anyone?
I think it would have to go awfully wrong for Lampard as he will have the backing of the Chelsea faithfully for some time. The peasants are certainly ready to revolt against the people running the club.
I think it could go wrong pretty early for OGS, he does not have the experience to overhaul what looks like a clusterfuck.

both Chelsea and Man Utd have taken massive risks in choosing favourite old players without much top class management experience

i have a grudging respect for them actually,
its a risk but so is anyone as they have both found out a big name doesn't always deliver

of the two i would take Lampard to be the more successful and the constraints he has might work for him and buy him time to build something, he seems the building/developing sort, although i don't think his short term at Derby was as good as people make out

i think they will both struggle to make top 4 but that wont be their fault entirely, maybe one of them sneaking in, in a close tussle which will be seen as major success
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 11, 2019, 11:06:04 AM
I agree John e. Lampard has the opportunity to bring young players through without to much expectation for now.
When you look at Manures problems, none of the defenders are convincing and Lindhof wants out,
Pogba problem-unresolved and their good spell under OGS was because he decided to play for a while
Look at that squad full of not good enough and passed it.
Maybe they bring Rafa in to sort it out, which would go down well.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: Duncan Shaw on July 11, 2019, 11:15:04 AM
i think they will both struggle to make top 4 but that wont be their fault entirely, maybe one of them sneaking in, in a close tussle which will be seen as major success

And not forgetting there is one place fewer next season for the usual suspects as Wolvescelona are taking up one of the CL spots......
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 11, 2019, 12:27:03 PM
Maybe Ashley wants the "Promotion expert" in place in readiness for next season after the Toon are relegated this
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: Ad@m on July 11, 2019, 12:33:22 PM
I think Lampard's been given the Chelsea gig because of the transfer embargo.

They'd struggle to attract a top manager without being able to sign any players so they bring Lampard in on a quasi- trial basis to see if he can cut it.  If he can, great.  If he can't, he won't have cost them much money and they can bin him off and bring someone better in when they can sign players again.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: Damo70 on July 11, 2019, 01:40:52 PM
I would back Lampard to go on to become a half decent manager. I don't think OGS will ever become a top manager. Solskjaer is another 'Siralex' recommendation to the board, same as Moyes and possibly Mourinho as well and look how those panned out.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: mr underhill on July 11, 2019, 02:23:23 PM
fuck them - it's the one he gave Randy that I won't forgive him for.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: SaddVillan on July 11, 2019, 02:49:26 PM
Too good to be true surely? (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48938536)

Advent of a new Dark Age over Tyneside?
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: dave shelley on July 11, 2019, 04:15:50 PM
Brucelona.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: themossman on July 11, 2019, 04:52:57 PM
Itís too much to hope for, but the barcodes getting relegated with Bruce at the helm would be dreamland.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: themossman on July 11, 2019, 05:08:23 PM
Toon supporting mate just texted saying it's all over local news that it's done and Bruce is about to be unveiled.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on July 11, 2019, 05:17:28 PM
Itís too much to hope for, but the barcodes getting relegated with Bruce at the helm would be dreamland.
Specially if we sent them down;)
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: Mister E on July 11, 2019, 05:49:48 PM
Toon supporting mate just texted saying it's all over local news that it's done and Bruce is about to be unveiled.
Bruce being 'unveiled' really is a frightening image.
Put your money on Barcodes to go down! Although Bruce will have been sacked by Xmas.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: Matt C on July 11, 2019, 05:51:06 PM
Joe Kinnear part two.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: GarTomas on July 11, 2019, 05:59:05 PM
Itís in the category of so bat shit crazy it has to be true.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: The Man With A Stick on July 11, 2019, 06:03:30 PM
Itís too much to hope for, but the barcodes getting relegated with Bruce at the helm would be dreamland.
Specially if we sent them down;)


Unfortunately we don't play them twice until March and they'll probably be down by then.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on July 11, 2019, 06:04:56 PM
Itís too much to hope for, but the barcodes getting relegated with Bruce at the helm would be dreamland.
Specially if we sent them down;)


Unfortunately we don't play them twice until March and they'll probably be down by then.
March sounds perfect to me.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: themossman on July 11, 2019, 06:36:20 PM
My mate is satisfyingly distraught at this news. And that surprised me slightly as the geordies do seem to love one of their own, beyond all reason. Although I guess Bruce is tainted by the Sunderland connection.

If it happens itís a mad appointment whichever way you spin it. McLeish levels of insanity.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: Damo70 on July 11, 2019, 06:38:04 PM
Too good to be true surely? (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48938536)

Advent of a new Dark Age over Tyneside?


I am not on expert or historian when it comes to the ages of man, but surely you have to finish one dark age before you can class it as the next dark age? Although to be fair from Rafa to Bruce it is going from a dark age to a much darker age. The have gone from a fat Spanish waiter to a fat cricket fan.*

*And author.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: The Man With A Stick on July 11, 2019, 07:10:10 PM
He can't start work until September, he's booked six weeks off to watch the Ashes.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: john e on July 11, 2019, 07:15:55 PM
My mate is satisfyingly distraught at this news. And that surprised me slightly as the geordies do seem to love one of their own, beyond all reason. Although I guess Bruce is tainted by the Sunderland connection.

If it happens itís a mad appointment whichever way you spin it. McLeish levels of insanity.

the irony is that SW fans actually want him to stay and many are distraught at the thought of him going

you canít make this shit up
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 11, 2019, 07:34:51 PM
He can't start work until September, he's booked six weeks off to watch the Ashes.

😂
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 11, 2019, 07:48:48 PM
When it comes to loyalty Bruce is a complete hoare.  Wednesday take him on and are so accommodating let him have a months holiday before he takes over.  Less than six months later heís fcuking off to another payday.  He has done this regularly throughout his career.  I liked it when Jordan put him on gardening leave so he couldnít take over at the sty.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: Newby on July 11, 2019, 08:09:07 PM
Well, that's fucked the barcodes then!!
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on July 11, 2019, 11:27:37 PM
Well, that's fucked the barcodes then!!
6 points in the bag then :)
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 12, 2019, 12:00:25 AM
Sludge on the Tyne?
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: Axl Rose on July 12, 2019, 12:02:42 AM
A match made in heaven. Both self important, and behave like massive babies.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: ktvillan on July 12, 2019, 12:04:41 AM
Mike Ashley would make Lerner look competent/sane if this happens.  I do wonder if he's doing it for a drunken bet or something.  I mean, if Bruceball was being found out t EFL level, what chance has it got in the PL?  Totally mental.   
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: ktvillan on July 12, 2019, 12:07:22 AM
At least Bruce has already got the "they don't like me cos I managed the neighbours" get out of jail card for when they turn on him for his utterly shit football.  Which I reckon will happen around September, causing a massive run on the cabbage stocks of Jawdeeland.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 12, 2019, 12:16:42 AM
I see that the mad few are having their say. Off wi' me head, despite everything that I did at Birmingham City fifteen years ago.

This is absolutely wonderful.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: purpletrousers on July 12, 2019, 02:51:53 AM
A touch of the Agent Steve to it, Bruce might be the best man to help keep Villa up by taking up up a relay ation space, finally he contributes positively to our bright future (beyond the putting the breaks on the great slide)?
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: GarTomas on July 12, 2019, 05:09:31 AM
£5m compensation..... Jesus wept
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 15, 2019, 01:00:59 PM
He has resigned apparently.  He really is a shithouse.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: robbo1874 on July 15, 2019, 01:05:42 PM
Like him, but heís fair game if he goes to Newcastle.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: Mister E on July 15, 2019, 01:11:49 PM
He has resigned apparently.  He really is a shithouse.
It's not so much what he's now done - seems par for the course - it's more the misguidedness of the Jawdies. Who in the real world could possibly think that Bernard Cribbins would be the right guy for a Premier League club? And to follow on from the FSW, who at least has the credentials to be in such a role!
Appointing him certainly won't aid Ashley's desire to sell the club.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: gpbarr on July 15, 2019, 01:17:19 PM
He is a Geordie and his boyhood club have asked him to manage them - and while SW think they are a big club, Newcastle are a big club.

Donít really understand the hate - heís not Villa manager anymore thank god, but fair play to him for taking his dream job (just as Dean took his with us)
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: mr underhill on July 15, 2019, 01:45:55 PM
agree, we have serious form when it comes to appointing managerial fuckwits.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: DB on July 15, 2019, 02:11:58 PM
He has resigned apparently.  He really is a shithouse.

Really, why?
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: Newby on July 15, 2019, 02:13:58 PM
Cares only for himself. Very selfish attitude towards those who have employed him. ĎTwas ever thus.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: Hairbandinho on July 15, 2019, 02:17:03 PM
As I said in the other thread I saw Mike Ashley land in a helicopter at Moor Lane this morning and get driven off. So maybe he is meeting Bruce in Birmingham? That or we are after a Newcastle player?
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: Pete3206 on July 15, 2019, 02:17:46 PM
Merry Christmas everybody.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: eddiemunster on July 15, 2019, 02:21:13 PM
Absolutely love this off the Sheffield Wednesday fans forum;

What a piece of absolute turd. The flat nose mrs doubtfire looking tub of Geordie goo.

Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: DB on July 15, 2019, 02:21:20 PM
He is a Geordie and his boyhood club have asked him to manage them - and while SW think they are a big club, Newcastle are a big club.

Donít really understand the hate - heís not Villa manager anymore thank god, but fair play to him for taking his dream job (just as Dean took his with us)

Exactly
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: eamonn on July 15, 2019, 02:33:22 PM
As I said in the other thread I saw Mike Ashley land in a helicopter at Moor Lane this morning and get driven off. So maybe he is meeting Bruce in Birmingham? That or we are after a Newcastle player?

He's on his way to VP to get a reference for Bruce off Dr Xia.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on July 15, 2019, 02:37:46 PM
He is a Geordie and his boyhood club have asked him to manage them - and while SW think they are a big club, Newcastle are a big club.

Donít really understand the hate - heís not Villa manager anymore thank god, but fair play to him for taking his dream job (just as Dean took his with us)

Exactly

Not at all. Dean Smith didn't shaft his employers to come to us. Bruce has spent his managerial career routinely screwing over his chairmen and leaving clubs in the lurch. He's not a man troubled by tiresome moral issues like loyalty and commitment. He might have bought enough lunches for his media mates to foster a 'nice bloke' image, but I'm not at all surprised to see fans of various clubs calling him out for shithousery.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: Risso on July 15, 2019, 02:52:19 PM
Absolutely love this off the Sheffield Wednesday fans forum;

What a piece of absolute turd. The flat nose mrs doubtfire looking tub of Geordie goo.



Wednesday fans can go fuck themselves.  The absolute shite they gave us over having the temerity to sack Bruce, then giving it 110% on the holier-than-thou-ometer when they appointed him.  Not feeling so clever now, eh wankers?
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 15, 2019, 02:55:21 PM
Absolutely love this off the Sheffield Wednesday fans forum;

What a piece of absolute turd. The flat nose mrs doubtfire looking tub of Geordie goo.



Wednesday fans can go fuck themselves.  The absolute shite they gave us over having the temerity to sack Bruce, then giving it 110% on the holier-than-thou-ometer when they appointed him.  Not feeling so clever now, eh wankers?

Itís like how excited Sunderland fans got getting that turdbag MON. We told them he was a prick at heart and washed up,  just like Bruce is a self centred well past it prick. Agreed - fuck them.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: john e on July 15, 2019, 02:55:54 PM
if Sheffield Wednesday swap Bruce for Chris Houghton and pocket 4 million quid into the bargain

it will be the second greatest upgrade of all times
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: Damo70 on July 15, 2019, 02:57:50 PM
Absolutely love this off the Sheffield Wednesday fans forum;

What a piece of absolute turd. The flat nose mrs doubtfire looking tub of Geordie goo.


I read one quote from their forum saying "He is everything the Villa fans said he was when he joined us".

I also read something somewhere earlier today comparing him to McLeish. I think McLeish has a better mangerial CV than Bruce.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 15, 2019, 02:58:19 PM
Absolutely love this off the Sheffield Wednesday fans forum;

What a piece of absolute turd. The flat nose mrs doubtfire looking tub of Geordie goo.



Wednesday fans can go fuck themselves.  The absolute shite they gave us over having the temerity to sack Bruce, then giving it 110% on the holier-than-thou-ometer when they appointed him.  Not feeling so clever now, eh wankers?

Itís like how excited Sunderland fans got getting that turdbag MON. We told them he was a prick at heart and washed up,  just like Bruce is a self centred well past it prick. Agreed - fuck them.

Hear, hear.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: johnc on July 15, 2019, 03:00:17 PM
At least if Newcastle get relegated they will have a "promotion specialist" in the hot seat for 20/21 season
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: Damo70 on July 15, 2019, 03:04:58 PM
At least if Newcastle get relegated they will have a "promotion specialist" in the hot seat for 20/21 season


I was going to say if he gets them relegated he won't be given the chance of getting them promoted.

Then I remembered Mike Ashley is still in charge.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: Clampy on July 15, 2019, 03:17:54 PM
I get why he wants to go there but it's a bit shit so soon after joining them.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: garyellis on July 15, 2019, 03:28:43 PM
I get why he wants to go there but it's a bit shit so soon after joining them.
This is the point
Wendy's bent over backwards to accommodate him and have given him a lot of control following his appointment
Yes some of their fans were knobs about us sacking him but how much notice did we take of the Sunderland lads
Just roll back 12 months do you think he would have done the same to us?
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: ktvillan on July 15, 2019, 03:32:23 PM
I loved this comment on Twatter:

BREAKING Sunderland have offered to pay Steve Bruce's £3m compensation fee at Sheffield Wednesday to ensure their former boss goes to Newcastle. An insider said "We want to make sure they get Steve as manager. We hope he can do for them what he did for us" #SAFC #nufc #swfc
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 15, 2019, 03:42:01 PM
Sheffield Wednesday Supporters Club, @swfcsc on Twitter, have changed their profile photo. Lol.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 15, 2019, 03:57:24 PM
What gets me is this talentless idiot will walk away in a few months time with another few million in the bank.
He is by most standards a very rich man despite the fact he has been an abject failure for several years now.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: gpbarr on July 15, 2019, 04:01:46 PM
The loyalty argument is nonsense. He did what just about every other soccer professional did in this day and age - took the better bigger club and better bigger pay packet.

The game is morally bankrupt - he is same as most any other.

Itís why in the rare occurrence someone actually does show loyalty it stands out so far. 

Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 15, 2019, 04:02:25 PM
Sheffield Wednesday Supporters Club, @swfcsc on Twitter, have changed their profile photo. Lol.

they have had a luck escape they should be happy
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: colin69 on July 15, 2019, 04:03:06 PM
Bruce is just doing what he always does when a better offer comes along. He is an utter disgrace, especially after the way Wednesday allowed him to stay out watching the bloody cricket last year and let his cronies run the team for a month whilst he stuffed his face.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 15, 2019, 04:11:17 PM
Taking away any of the issues we may have with him or his football you have to seriously question Ashley or his advisors.

What the fuck was the question that Bruce was thought to be the best answer?

How can we ostracize ourselves from the core support more?
We don't want anymore of that attractive football the FSW churned out?

Total football suicide
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: MoetVillan on July 15, 2019, 04:25:42 PM
Feel sorry for the ďbest supporters in the worldĒ 🙄
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: Newby on July 15, 2019, 04:36:13 PM
If Wednesday get Gary Monk in, with their squad, he will take them up as Bruce takes Newcastle down!
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: john e on July 15, 2019, 05:15:46 PM
If Wednesday get Gary Monk in, with their squad, he will take them up as Bruce takes Newcastle down!

on twitter someone said that was a decent bet,
he called it a Karma double
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: Dave on July 15, 2019, 05:51:02 PM
Taking away any of the issues we may have with him or his football you have to seriously question Ashley or his advisors.

What the fuck was the question that Bruce was thought to be the best answer?

"Who can we hire on a comparatively small salary, will just about be able to scrape us 17th place and will be so grateful to be here that he won't make any real demands or rock the boat?"
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: clash city rocker on July 15, 2019, 06:06:48 PM
Surely even Bruce must know he will be found out pretty quickly and sacked by xmas.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: Damo70 on July 15, 2019, 06:26:54 PM
If Wednesday get Gary Monk in, with their squad, he will take them up as Bruce takes Newcastle down!

on twitter someone said that was a decent bet,
he called it a Karma double


It is certainly a reasonable possibility.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: Risso on July 15, 2019, 06:37:16 PM
Surely even Bruce must know he will be found out pretty quickly and sacked by xmas.

More compensation for Christmas, winner!  Then on to the next mugs, moaning about how how horrible the Geordies were to him.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: CT on July 15, 2019, 06:58:36 PM
"They were never going to accept me after being manager at Sunderland"
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: ktvillan on July 15, 2019, 07:12:47 PM
Surely even Bruce must know he will be found out pretty quickly and sacked by xmas.

You say that but this is the man who said "who could you get who is better than me" just before he was binned and replaced by DS, who promptly took us up.  He probably believes he is the best man for the job.  He is probably wrong.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 15, 2019, 07:18:19 PM
Surely even Bruce must know he will be found out pretty quickly and sacked by xmas.
I think he still actually believes he knows what he is doing, obviously the large sums of money he receives  encourages him not to take a  too critical look at himself.
I am sure his son will be around to defend his oaf of a farther.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: eamonn on July 15, 2019, 07:30:52 PM
His son...my God, this time last year Alex Bruce was being touted as a player we might have to sign with the limited funds available.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 15, 2019, 09:57:11 PM
I wish there were betting markets on Things People Will Say in a Press Conference. I'd be betting the house on: "I said when I was at Aston Villa that it was the biggest club I'd ever manage. It turns out I was wrong."
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: Newby on July 15, 2019, 10:48:04 PM
What a mess he's left Sheffield Wednesday in. The coaches have resigned too. Absolutely disgraceful behaviour and people think he's a good guy.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: Chap on July 15, 2019, 11:00:55 PM
What a mess he's left Sheffield Wednesday in. The coaches have resigned too. Absolutely disgraceful behaviour and people think he's a good guy.
Almost Pubehead-esque!
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on July 15, 2019, 11:07:18 PM
I wish there were betting markets on Things People Will Say in a Press Conference. I'd be betting the house on: "I said when I was at Aston Villa that it was the biggest club I'd ever manage. It turns out I was wrong."

ďI honestly wouldnít have left Sheffield Wednesday for any other club than Newcastle. Itís a huge club with a huge support and most importantly itís my club, that Iíve loved since I was a lad. ď
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 15, 2019, 11:12:18 PM
I wish there were betting markets on Things People Will Say in a Press Conference. I'd be betting the house on: "I said when I was at Aston Villa that it was the biggest club I'd ever manage. It turns out I was wrong."

ďI honestly wouldnít have left Sheffield Wednesday for any other club than Newcastle. Itís a huge club with a huge support and most importantly itís my club, that Iíve loved since I was a lad. ď

"I've got too much respect for Sheffield Wednesday to air the dirty linen in public. I can understand why their fans are disappointed, but let's just say that there was more going on behind the scenes than people realise."
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: Bad English on July 15, 2019, 11:21:37 PM
Surely even Bruce must know he will be found out pretty quickly and sacked by xmas.
How about on the 24th of November? That would be funny.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: wittonwarrior on July 16, 2019, 04:09:41 AM
Bad luck Newcastle United stuck with spud head and no sunshine in the near future.  Things will only get worse with SB.  As for Sheff Wed I don't like you but you have had a lucky escape when the immediate disappointment evaporates.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: mr underhill on July 16, 2019, 08:51:30 AM
hadaway and shite like, Steve man.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: eamonn on July 16, 2019, 09:22:59 AM
Imagine if Newcastle had tried to poach Bruce from us last summer! This place would have made for interesting reading. "See - we are lucky to have him!" "Fuck off - he's shut and he's a traitor".
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: Drummond on July 16, 2019, 09:23:27 AM
Sometimes life is good. I'm. Enjoying going to work right now... "I'm not going to say I told you so, but fucking hell I didn't realise it would be as quick as this!"

If they get Hughton in, which to me is a no-brainer, they have a good chance this season.

I hope this will mean Sheffield United finish above the barcodes too and let them gloat over the wanker too.

There really are an awful lot of fans who must really detest him.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: Villafirst on July 16, 2019, 09:55:53 AM
Bruce is a dinosaur from the Jurassic period with his style of play. Apparently Ashley has coughed up £4m in compensation. Not a good businessman at all. The Championship beckons Brucey!
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: ktvillan on July 16, 2019, 10:20:11 AM
Terry F goes home - job interview probably went like this.


(https://i.ibb.co/Zff4FNW/Untitled.png) (https://ibb.co/Zff4FNW)


Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: Dazvillain on July 16, 2019, 10:22:33 AM
Had he been backed in transfer window at owls before leaving ?
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: chrisw1 on July 16, 2019, 10:24:05 AM
Terry F goes home - job interview probably went like this.


(https://i.ibb.co/Zff4FNW/Untitled.png) (https://ibb.co/Zff4FNW)



Excellent stuff.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: not3bad on July 16, 2019, 11:24:52 AM
Taking away any of the issues we may have with him or his football you have to seriously question Ashley or his advisors.

What the fuck was the question that Bruce was thought to be the best answer?

"Who can we hire on a comparatively small salary, will just about be able to scrape us 17th place and will be so grateful to be here that he won't make any real demands or rock the boat?"

I can well believe that was actually the question.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 16, 2019, 11:28:59 AM
Taking away any of the issues we may have with him or his football you have to seriously question Ashley or his advisors.

What the fuck was the question that Bruce was thought to be the best answer?

"Who can we hire on a comparatively small salary, will just about be able to scrape us 17th place and will be so grateful to be here that he won't make any real demands or rock the boat?"

I can well believe that was actually the question.


already linked with Yannick Bolaise and they described Bruce as a tactician


 https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2019/07/16/do-report-steve-bruce-wants-his-ex-villa-loanee-yannick-bolasie/
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: Mister E on July 16, 2019, 11:53:29 AM
Taking away any of the issues we may have with him or his football you have to seriously question Ashley or his advisors.

What the fuck was the question that Bruce was thought to be the best answer?

"Who can we hire on a comparatively small salary, will just about be able to scrape us 17th place and will be so grateful to be here that he won't make any real demands or rock the boat?"

I can well believe that was actually the question.


already linked with Yannick Bolaise and they described Bruce as a tactician


 https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2019/07/16/do-report-steve-bruce-wants-his-ex-villa-loanee-yannick-bolasie/
It gets better!
Bruce the Tactician: hmmm, how does that work then?
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: john e on July 16, 2019, 12:47:08 PM
I just hope Ashley backs Bruce in the transfer market
can you imagine the shower if shit he will buy

it could take them years to recover
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: Clampy on July 16, 2019, 12:50:06 PM
I don't think he bought that badly overall while he was here. There's only Hogan and Lansbury who haven't really worked out. It's how he used some of them which was the problem.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: Clampy on July 16, 2019, 12:52:34 PM
Oh and Nyland.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 16, 2019, 01:22:33 PM
Lots of press about Mike Ashleyís business empire, delays in filing accounts, senior staff leaving, investigations into certain accounting activities.
Debenhams ďthe future Harrods  of the High StreetĒ now full of cheap track suits and other crap.
Enter stage right ď I donít do tactics meĒ


Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 16, 2019, 01:22:51 PM
'That's the Championship'.  You can bet he will compare the sizes of club compared to ours though.  He described Wednesday's fans as the best he has ever seen. 
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: rougegorge on July 16, 2019, 01:26:43 PM
I don't think he bought that badly overall while he was here. There's only Hogan and Lansbury who haven't really worked out. It's how he used some of them which was the problem.

I agree. Buying bad players is one thing which I don't think you can particular level at Bruce. At Hull, he bought players like Robertson, Maguire, Huddlestone, Snodgrass, and Elmo :). He may not have played them all regularly or necessarily got the best out of them, but I think as managers go, he has generally done ok in signing players.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: Villafirst on July 16, 2019, 01:28:04 PM
So Bruce pictured in the Sun leaving a bakery (Artisan mind) ! Fat fucker!
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 16, 2019, 01:40:12 PM
So Bruce pictured in the Sun leaving a bakery (Artisan mind) ! Fat fucker!


look leave him alone , be impressed he left !! ???
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: john e on July 16, 2019, 01:48:14 PM
I don't think he bought that badly overall while he was here. There's only Hogan and Lansbury who haven't really worked out. It's how he used some of them which was the problem.


well you always did like him more than me
least heís someone elseís problem now
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: not3bad on July 16, 2019, 02:06:24 PM
I don't think he bought that badly overall while he was here. There's only Hogan and Lansbury who haven't really worked out. It's how he used some of them which was the problem.


Agreed. Brought in SJM and getting Terry on board was also an inspired move.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: not3bad on July 16, 2019, 02:11:08 PM
Great illustration of Bruce spotting a good player but then not utilising him properly is Tuanzebe.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 16, 2019, 02:13:21 PM
Great illustration of Bruce spotting a good player but then not utilising him properly is Tuanzebe.

Played him at right back, didn't he? It's almost funny now looking back.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: mr underhill on July 16, 2019, 02:15:51 PM
it was anything but heading into the new season with a plethora of right backs - including Axel - and one functioning senior CB, whilst spunking £70k a week on Bolaise.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: Holte L2 on July 16, 2019, 02:23:35 PM
Oh and Nyland.

What about Bree and Bjarnasson!?
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 16, 2019, 02:30:45 PM
https://www.90min.com/posts/6412533-ex-lyon-boss-bruno-genesio-in-newcastle-for-talks-as-steve-bruce-speculation-drags-on

Uh oh.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: Drummond on July 16, 2019, 02:39:12 PM
Well if spudface has resigned and this guy got the job it would be hilarious!
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: LowerNorthStand on July 16, 2019, 02:46:09 PM
Well if spudface has resigned and this guy got the job it would be hilarious!

Fake News
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: Dave on July 17, 2019, 10:37:03 AM
Wor Steve confirmed at Newcastle.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: Axl Rose on July 17, 2019, 10:37:56 AM
Rolled up sleeves have been mentioned, I believe.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: Diablo on July 17, 2019, 10:43:10 AM
Jeez! Fact/Stat taken from the Beeb...

Among the 33 managers to have managed 200 or more Premier League games, Bruce's win percentage of 28.1% (110 games in 392 games) is the second-lowest, ahead only of his former Manchester United team-mate Bryan Robson (26.8%).
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: f1sav on July 17, 2019, 11:11:27 AM
Rolled up sleeves have been mentioned, I believe.

hahaha, you're only right Axl:

ďThere is a huge challenge ahead of us, but itís one that my staff and I are ready for. Weíll roll our sleeves up and weíll be giving it everything from the off to ensure supporters have a successful team that they can be proud of.Ē
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: KRS on July 17, 2019, 11:23:42 AM
Looks like the news/disappointment has just reached the players as they go 1-0 down against Wolves.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: mallo on July 17, 2019, 11:36:14 AM
I think they'll bore themselves into relegation. Without any strikers maybe this is karma for leaving us without any defenders!
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: Damo70 on July 17, 2019, 11:38:07 AM
Rolled up sleeves have been mentioned, I believe.

hahaha, you're only right Axl:

ďThere is a huge challenge ahead of us, but itís one that my staff and I are ready for. Weíll roll our sleeves up and weíll be giving it everything from the off to ensure supporters have a successful team that they can be proud of.Ē


Is he going to roll up his sleeves straight away or is he taking time out to watch the England women's cricket team in the ashes series first?
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 17, 2019, 12:10:40 PM
Sheff Weds statement

Quote
The Club is disappointed to learn via public statement issued by Newcastle United that it has appointed former Sheffield Wednesday staff Steve Bruce, Steve Agnew and Stephen Clemence.

Regardless of the fact that the staff resigned from their positions with the Club on Monday, there remains outstanding legal issues to be resolved between the club and the staff and Newcastle United. The Club is currently considering its position and taking the appropriate legal advice.

No further comment will be made by the Club concerning this matter.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: Bad English on July 17, 2019, 12:18:40 PM
Sheff Weds statement

Quote
The Club is disappointed to learn via public statement issued by Newcastle United that it has appointed former Sheffield Wednesday staff Steve Bruce, Steve Agnew and Stephen Clemence.

Regardless of the fact that the staff resigned from their positions with the Club on Monday, there remains outstanding legal issues to be resolved between the club and the staff and Newcastle United. The Club is currently considering its position and taking the appropriate legal advice.

No further comment will be made by the Club concerning this matter.
It's one of those horrible ones; that's the civil justice system for you.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: Risso on July 17, 2019, 12:22:25 PM
It's one of those brilliant ones.  We've belatedly realised what a useless lumpen faced twat he is, and now we can use the compo to pay the entire contract for somebody half decent.  Sweet!
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: Damo70 on July 17, 2019, 12:27:23 PM
Sheff Weds statement

Quote
The Club is disappointed to learn via public statement issued by Newcastle United that it has appointed former Sheffield Wednesday staff Steve Bruce, Steve Agnew and Stephen Clemence.

Regardless of the fact that the staff resigned from their positions with the Club on Monday, there remains outstanding legal issues to be resolved between the club and the staff and Newcastle United. The Club is currently considering its position and taking the appropriate legal advice.

No further comment will be made by the Club concerning this matter.
It's one of those horrible ones; that's the civil justice system for you.


When asked for a quote on the Sheffield Wednesday situation Steve Bruce was (probably) quoted as saying "It is a bit of a ticklely one".
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: themossman on July 17, 2019, 12:33:44 PM
Sheff Weds statement

Quote
The Club is disappointed to learn via public statement issued by Newcastle United that it has appointed former Sheffield Wednesday staff Steve Bruce, Steve Agnew and Stephen Clemence.

Regardless of the fact that the staff resigned from their positions with the Club on Monday, there remains outstanding legal issues to be resolved between the club and the staff and Newcastle United. The Club is currently considering its position and taking the appropriate legal advice.

No further comment will be made by the Club concerning this matter.
It's one of those horrible ones; that's the civil justice system for you.

lol
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 17, 2019, 12:38:05 PM
Rolled up sleeves have been mentioned, I believe.
To get to the bottom of those KFC buckets you need to roll yer sleeves up.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: f1sav on July 17, 2019, 01:00:51 PM
Looks like the news/disappointment has just reached the players as they go 1-0 down against Wolves.

0-4 in the end!
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: olaftab on July 17, 2019, 01:25:25 PM
I see he has been finally given the title he deserves. Potato Head Coach.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: paul_e on July 17, 2019, 01:31:39 PM
Looks like the news/disappointment has just reached the players as they go 1-0 down against Wolves.

0-4 in the end!

I reckon tha'ts because Bruce didn't arrive in time to tell the players to lace up their boots.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 17, 2019, 01:36:08 PM
Wolves have what 12 first team players?!  Going to be beautiful to watch wor Brucey's increasingly rotund figure and purple face on that touchline arms behind his back.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: jwarry on July 17, 2019, 01:53:21 PM
Looks like the news/disappointment has just reached the players as they go 1-0 down against Wolves.

0-4 in the end!

I reckon tha'ts because Bruce didn't arrive in time to tell the players to lace up their boots.

Just been sad enough to watch the highlights. Jeez Newcastle were awful. Donít know about Championship defending, more like non-league. And if that was Dubravka in goal I wouldnít touch him with a barge pole!
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 17, 2019, 01:56:51 PM
I see he has been finally given the title he deserves. Potato Head Coach.

A Head Coach that doesn't do tactics. Maybe they meant a Heading Coach?
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 17, 2019, 02:02:33 PM
Looks like the news/disappointment has just reached the players as they go 1-0 down against Wolves.

0-4 in the end!

I reckon tha'ts because Bruce didn't arrive in time to tell the players to lace up their boots.

Just been sad enough to watch the highlights. Jeez Newcastle were awful. Donít know about Championship defending, more like non-league. And if that was Dubravka in goal I wouldnít touch him with a barge pole!

Interestingly, Dubravka didn't feature at all according to their OS team lineup and wasn't named as an unused sub.

Could he be on the way?
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: john e on July 17, 2019, 02:37:33 PM
Wolves have what 12 first team players?!  Going to be beautiful to watch wor Brucey's increasingly rotund figure and purple face on that touchline arms behind his back.

heís on a 3 year contract
heíl be laughing all the way to the bank no matter what happens
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on July 17, 2019, 02:39:28 PM
Only two relegation spots to worry about now ;-)
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: KevinGage on July 17, 2019, 03:24:00 PM
It's one of those brilliant ones.  We've belatedly realised what a useless lumpen faced twat he is, and now we can use the compo to pay the entire contract for somebody half decent.  Sweet!

He might have done a number on Wed nes day though, and in resigning, voided any compo they might be entitled to.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: cheltenhamlion on July 17, 2019, 05:37:14 PM
Great illustration of Bruce spotting a good player but then not utilising him properly is Tuanzebe.

Played him at right back, didn't he? It's almost funny now looking back.

He did. At a time when our only central defender was an injured Chester and him insisting on persisting with sodding Jedinak there.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: mallo on July 17, 2019, 05:42:05 PM
Great illustration of Bruce spotting a good player but then not utilising him properly is Tuanzebe.

Played him at right back, didn't he? It's almost funny now looking back.

He did. At a time when our only central defender was an injured Chester and him insisting on persisting with sodding Jedinak there.

Makes me shudder, that. Wonder who'll fall victim at the toon of bruceball (the bingo style one, not the on-field tactics one) player selection. Once Bolasie has arrived of course.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: cheltenhamlion on July 17, 2019, 05:44:27 PM
Chris Samba up front.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: ronshirt on July 17, 2019, 07:05:14 PM
The kebab-botherer is probably just researching his next masterpiece.

https://thesetpieces.com/features/sweeper-steve-bruce-review/
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 17, 2019, 07:59:54 PM
It's one of those brilliant ones.  We've belatedly realised what a useless lumpen faced twat he is, and now we can use the compo to pay the entire contract for somebody half decent.  Sweet!

He might have done a number on Wed nes day though, and in resigning, voided any compo they might be entitled to.
if as reported,, itís an annual rolling contract he has too give a years notice so Wednesday will be due compensation
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: Rigadon on July 17, 2019, 08:24:48 PM
I'd say it's probably his last job and a fitting one given it's his boyhood club.   I'm relieved he's not our manager anymore, as we have a much more exciting one now, but I don't get the heavy criticism he gets on here sometimes.  He ultimately failed and the football was mostly uninspired.  But he did steady the ship when the ship was sinking fast despite some awful luck with injuries.  So, certainly not a hero, but neither a villain for me.   
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: The Man With A Stick on July 17, 2019, 08:27:20 PM
Chris Samba up front.

Jesus, I'd forgotten all about him/that.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: dave shelley on July 17, 2019, 08:33:13 PM
I'd say it's probably his last job and a fitting one given it's his boyhood club.   I'm relieved he's not our manager anymore, as we have a much more exciting one now, but I don't get the heavy criticism he gets on here sometimes.  He ultimately failed and the football was mostly uninspired.  But he did steady the ship when the ship was sinking fast despite some awful luck with injuries.  So, certainly not a hero, but neither a villain for me.   

You make some valid points there Rigadon and I tend to agree but, I think it's  the way he left us so bereft of defenders and thought we should be thankful that has people so angry with him.  We all saw for ourselves the rubbish he served up in the latter months he was with us, a time when he had been given the green light by the new owners to continue in the job.  You would have thought he would have moved hell and highwater to improve all aspects of the playing side of the club but instead, as if in spite, he totally ruined it.  He deserves most of the stick he gets, as for his history of his departures from clubs, well, that speaks for istself?
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: paul_e on July 17, 2019, 08:33:23 PM
I'd say it's probably his last job and a fitting one given it's his boyhood club.   I'm relieved he's not our manager anymore, as we have a much more exciting one now, but I don't get the heavy criticism he gets on here sometimes.  He ultimately failed and the football was mostly uninspired.  But he did steady the ship when the ship was sinking fast despite some awful luck with injuries.  So, certainly not a hero, but neither a villain for me.   

He put together a squad that nearly saw us in administration with nothing to show for it (because half the team left after we lost the play off). He followed up by spending the next summer completely ignoring the defence to the point where we spent months relying on a half fit Chester. The criticism, other than the eye-bleeding football, was that he never looked further than the next window and now we're seeing a manager with a proper plan, which makes the Bruce windows look all the worse.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: Rigadon on July 17, 2019, 08:48:48 PM
I just think his limitations were laid bare in the end.  He was / is a limited manager.  But other managers we could've employed after the utter nightmare of teh previous 3 managers would've unravelled sooner than him and we might've sunk lower.  We needed an experienced old fucker to stop the rot.  We nearly went up under him.  The administration threat: wasn't that the people running the club, rather than the bloke running the team? 

Anyway, I'm not his biggest fan.  But he's not in Sugarbag, Lambert, Sherwood territory for my money. 
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: KevinGage on July 17, 2019, 08:55:09 PM
From about the McLeish era on until we finally got relegated in 2016, it felt like an increasingly inept bunch of teams could come to Villa Park and royally take the piss.

That stopped on his watch. It might have stopped anyway with a different/ more inspired choice of manager. But stop it did. Under Di Matteo our wank form in the top flight looked like continuing and League One wasn't out of the question.

His first year was dull -albeit better defensively. The second year, we dished out quite a few hammerings if any two from Albert, Snodgrass and Grabban were in the mood.   After the brush with administration, I was for him continuing as manager in 18 (I would have been anyway, based on how close we got the year before).  But choice of keepers and defensive reinforcements in that final window were muck, and when he started jibbing at the fanbase to mask his own shortcomings, he had to go.

Good luck to him at Newcastle. He'll need it there with that circus.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: Meanwood Villa on July 17, 2019, 10:27:09 PM
I'm glad he's not our manager any more and I'd be pissed off if I was a Newcastle fan now. I also hope he's shit and they go down. Having said all this, I do think the stick he gets on here is a bit harsh. I hope he doesn't get too much stick when (if he's still in charge?) they come to VP.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 17, 2019, 10:30:11 PM
I'm glad he's not our manager any more and I'd be pissed off if I was a Newcastle fan now. I also hope he's shit and they go down. Having said all this, I do think the stick he gets on here is a bit harsh. I hope he doesn't get too much stick when (if he's still in charge?) they come to VP.

Harsh, how?
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: Meanwood Villa on July 17, 2019, 10:34:36 PM
I'm glad he's not our manager any more and I'd be pissed off if I was a Newcastle fan now. I also hope he's shit and they go down. Having said all this, I do think the stick he gets on here is a bit harsh. I hope he doesn't get too much stick when (if he's still in charge?) they come to VP.

Harsh, how?

Personal insults and the like. He ultimately failed and I was pleased to see the back of him but to my mind we've had managers far more deserving of people's rage than Steve Bruce in recent years.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 17, 2019, 10:36:47 PM
I'm glad he's not our manager any more and I'd be pissed off if I was a Newcastle fan now. I also hope he's shit and they go down. Having said all this, I do think the stick he gets on here is a bit harsh. I hope he doesn't get too much stick when (if he's still in charge?) they come to VP.

Harsh, how?

Personal insults and the like. He ultimately failed and I was pleased to see the back of him but to my mind we've had managers far more deserving of people's rage than Steve Bruce in recent years.

It's no more insulting to call him a fat, melted wax sculpture of pig's knuckle than it is to suggest that he looks like an inside-out elephant verruca.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: Meanwood Villa on July 17, 2019, 10:40:15 PM
I'm glad he's not our manager any more and I'd be pissed off if I was a Newcastle fan now. I also hope he's shit and they go down. Having said all this, I do think the stick he gets on here is a bit harsh. I hope he doesn't get too much stick when (if he's still in charge?) they come to VP.

Harsh, how?

Personal insults and the like. He ultimately failed and I was pleased to see the back of him but to my mind we've had managers far more deserving of people's rage than Steve Bruce in recent years.

It's no more insulting to call him a fat, melted wax sculpture of pig's knuckle than it is to suggest that he looks like and inside-out elephant verruca.

Yeah, that sort of thing. Lovely turn of phrase though.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: Damo70 on July 17, 2019, 11:46:32 PM
Decent bloke who halted the slide and got us to a play off final that we may have won if the ref had done his job properly and reduced Fulham to ten men. But in the end when results and league position were not good enough he slipped into manager default mode and made lame excuses and blamed everybody and everything else apart from himself. He had the opportunity and the money to get us up and failed (albeit narrowly) but the last knockings of his reign were painful for everybody.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: KRS on July 17, 2019, 11:56:48 PM
All of those failings were a blessing in disguise considering where we were, who we were owned and managed by, and the position we found ourselves in now.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: robleflaneur on July 18, 2019, 12:06:17 AM
Media,some fans and Bruce forget that he spent a huge amount of money in Championship terms on players and above all on wages.And then left us after an easy run of fixtures in  what would have been close to the relegation zone .In terms of playing staff there was a short term emphasis on loanees and a neglect of players'abilities in that Steer,Elphick and Green were recalled and El Ghazi and Adomah were back in favour and Bolasie on ridiculous wages was sent back.
He was not as disastrous as DiMatteo  ,who was only given a few months,but steadying the ship in the Championship is not appropriate when huge sums had been spent and then added to with the acquisition of Hourihane,Johnstone,Samba ,Lansbury ,Hogan,Bjarnasson,Taylor and Josh Onamoh.
Bruce can sometimes recruit well,McGinn,but he really is one of the old fossils of English football with their motto of 'I don't do tactics' and  with his dubious loyalty his presence in the top tier is a disgrace.

Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: dcdavecollett on July 18, 2019, 12:33:42 AM
Bruce was Villa's best manager since 2011.

This gives you some idea of how utterly crap the others were!
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 18, 2019, 12:41:35 AM
Bruce was Villa's best manager since 2011.

This gives you some idea of how utterly crap the others were!
Nope.
He was an abject failure and under achieved based on the resources at his disposal.
He has also shown himself to be a charlatan.
He can fuck off.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 18, 2019, 12:43:27 AM
110%.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: brontebilly on July 18, 2019, 01:48:36 AM
Media,some fans and Bruce forget that he spent a huge amount of money in Championship terms on players and above all on wages.And then left us after an easy run of fixtures in  what would have been close to the relegation zone .In terms of playing staff there was a short term emphasis on loanees and a neglect of players'abilities in that Steer,Elphick and Green were recalled and El Ghazi and Adomah were back in favour and Bolasie on ridiculous wages was sent back.
He was not as disastrous as DiMatteo  ,who was only given a few months,but steadying the ship in the Championship is not appropriate when huge sums had been spent and then added to with the acquisition of Hourihane,Johnstone,Samba ,Lansbury ,Hogan,Bjarnasson,Taylor and Josh Onamoh.
Bruce can sometimes recruit well,McGinn,but he really is one of the old fossils of English football with their motto of 'I don't do tactics' and  with his dubious loyalty his presence in the top tier is a disgrace.

A lot of players were got rid of during Bruce's time which is conveniently forgotten in the budget discussions. Players who were stinking out the championship like Ayew, Westwood and countless others. Hogan was an epic failure for him and his first transfer window was lazy (Lansbury). Every manager has mixed records transfer wise but a failure of Hogan proportions in the second division rarely works out well. He would argue he was 90mins away from getting away with it. Smith/Suso seem to have got away with a serious rick re Kalinic for example.

i'd cut him a small bit of slack for last summer. By the time the new owners came in there was time only for a late shopping trolley type dash with regards transfers. Grealish sulking for a number of weeks after the Spurs move collapsed didn't help. How we had budget for an unfit Bolasie but not a left sided centre back remains one of those mysteries. It was apparent very early on last season that we were screwed with a completely unbalanced squad and something similar happened for him at Sunderland if I recall. I'd expect a similar mad panic of signings at Newcastle now, certs for relegation imo and I can't believe he has taken the job.

McGinn, Grealish coming of age, running out McCormack...his reign at VP still more positive than negative for me. Unlike all his predecessors back to Houllier.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 18, 2019, 01:54:00 AM
Any manager that starts having a go at the fans in the way Bruce did deserves no sympathy, his pathetic gloating after slaying the might of Rotherham was a new low.

Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: Risso on July 18, 2019, 02:21:43 AM
edit: Bruce out!
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: Duncan Shaw on July 18, 2019, 07:56:17 AM

Smith/Suso seem to have got away with a serious rick re Kalinic for example.



I agree on Kalinic, unless the deal was something already in place from the summer and we were obliged to see through in January, it seems strange how quickly Deano seemed to be to discard him.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: West Derby Villan on July 18, 2019, 09:02:55 AM

Smith/Suso seem to have got away with a serious rick re Kalinic for example.



I agree on Kalinic, unless the deal was something already in place from the summer and we were obliged to see through in January, it seems strange how quickly Deano seemed to be to discard him.

Yeah seems more to the Kalinic transfer and "aftermath" than we are aware of
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: Ger Regan on July 18, 2019, 09:40:44 AM
Wasn't the initial reason for kalinic not playing down to injury and by the time he recovered we were unbeatable? Not exactly hard to understand why Smith might not want to make any unnecessary changes in those circumstances.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: Chipsticks on July 18, 2019, 09:44:30 AM
Media,some fans and Bruce forget that he spent a huge amount of money in Championship terms on players and above all on wages.And then left us after an easy run of fixtures in  what would have been close to the relegation zone .In terms of playing staff there was a short term emphasis on loanees and a neglect of players'abilities in that Steer,Elphick and Green were recalled and El Ghazi and Adomah were back in favour and Bolasie on ridiculous wages was sent back.
He was not as disastrous as DiMatteo  ,who was only given a few months,but steadying the ship in the Championship is not appropriate when huge sums had been spent and then added to with the acquisition of Hourihane,Johnstone,Samba ,Lansbury ,Hogan,Bjarnasson,Taylor and Josh Onamoh.
Bruce can sometimes recruit well,McGinn,but he really is one of the old fossils of English football with their motto of 'I don't do tactics' and  with his dubious loyalty his presence in the top tier is a disgrace.

A lot of players were got rid of during Bruce's time which is conveniently forgotten in the budget discussions. Players who were stinking out the championship like Ayew, Westwood and countless others. Hogan was an epic failure for him and his first transfer window was lazy (Lansbury). Every manager has mixed records transfer wise but a failure of Hogan proportions in the second division rarely works out well. He would argue he was 90mins away from getting away with it. Smith/Suso seem to have got away with a serious rick re Kalinic for example.

i'd cut him a small bit of slack for last summer. By the time the new owners came in there was time only for a late shopping trolley type dash with regards transfers. Grealish sulking for a number of weeks after the Spurs move collapsed didn't help. How we had budget for an unfit Bolasie but not a left sided centre back remains one of those mysteries. It was apparent very early on last season that we were screwed with a completely unbalanced squad and something similar happened for him at Sunderland if I recall. I'd expect a similar mad panic of signings at Newcastle now, certs for relegation imo and I can't believe he has taken the job.

McGinn, Grealish coming of age, running out McCormack...his reign at VP still more positive than negative for me. Unlike all his predecessors back to Houllier.

Spot on for me here.

I will always think that Bruce did a good job of stopping our free-fall, but certainly reached his limit as a mid-table championship manager.

And now...
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: Damo70 on July 18, 2019, 11:45:47 AM
Bruce was Villa's best manager since 2011.

This gives you some idea of how utterly crap the others were!


I have no doubt he was statistically our best manager since 2011. But as well as pointing out how crap the others were he was also operating in a lower division than the rest (bar Di Matteo).
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 18, 2019, 12:03:38 PM
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I will always think that Bruce did a good job of stopping our free-fall, but certainly reached his limit as a mid-table championship manager.

Agree 100%

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Decent bloke who halted the slide and got us to a play off final that we may have won if the ref had done his job properly and reduced Fulham to ten men

Decent bloke - I thought this until he started the Steve Bruce damage limitation PR by blaming every bugger but his dinosaur tactics etc

Fulham - agree again that the ref was poor but lets not use that to muddy the wankers team selection and awful ("lets try and nick one" ) set up

The job and more importantly the club as a whole was a job too far for him and he was not big / good enough.

I'm sure once the "local Geordie and childhood fan" wears off everyone will see it will be the same at the Barcodes
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: Eckybloke on July 18, 2019, 12:08:00 PM
With the benefit of hindsight I think it's widely acknowledged that beating Fulham and going up would have only plugged the dyke briefly. 

I think every transfer, decision and game last season would have been like going all-in on a hand of poker.  At least we got an element of closure on it and we get the chance to go up with a coherent philosophy and plan.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: ktvillan on July 18, 2019, 12:32:26 PM
Losing to Fulham (plus Whelan's penalty miss) was a very good thing in hindsight, even though it nearly ruined us.  Got rid of Wyness, Bruce and pretty much Xia as well. We've been dead jammy though.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 18, 2019, 12:43:10 PM
Wasn't the initial reason for kalinic not playing down to injury and by the time he recovered we were unbeatable? Not exactly hard to understand why Smith might not want to make any unnecessary changes in those circumstances.

Just my theory - he was out through a legitimate head injury vs Albion. We recalled Steer to cover as Nyland was already out. I donít think Smith wanted to play Steer the rest of the way as he was completely untested. But then all of a sudden Kalinic has knee surgery. None of us heard of an injury he suffered so Iím guessing it was wasnít critical, could have waited and pissed off Dean. It just so happens that Steer hits the form of his life and Kalinic never gets a look in again after he gets back.

It was interesting to see him back last night and either he was playing to compete for the staring job or being put in the shop window. He did everything well last night so will see how this all unfolds.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: paul_e on July 18, 2019, 02:27:34 PM
Wasn't the initial reason for kalinic not playing down to injury and by the time he recovered we were unbeatable? Not exactly hard to understand why Smith might not want to make any unnecessary changes in those circumstances.

Just my theory - he was out through a legitimate head injury vs Albion. We recalled Steer to cover as Nyland was already out. I donít think Smith wanted to play Steer the rest of the way as he was completely untested. But then all of a sudden Kalinic has knee surgery. None of us heard of an injury he suffered so Iím guessing it was wasnít critical, could have waited and pissed off Dean. It just so happens that Steer hits the form of his life and Kalinic never gets a look in again after he gets back.

It was interesting to see him back last night and either he was playing to compete for the staring job or being put in the shop window. He did everything well last night so will see how this all unfolds.

I think steer earned the right to keep the shirt and then Kalinic was injured during the international break, from what I remember reading it was only a slight meniscus tear. It's the sort of injury that is just uncomfortable so you can play through but it really not a good idea. Catch it early and it's keyhole surgery with a turnaround of 4weeks, if you have to have a full repair it's 4-6 months so it did make sense to just go ahead straight away, especially considering we were very much an outside chance of the playoffs at the time.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 20, 2019, 01:55:38 PM
Bruce has done an 'emotional' interview in the Mirror today whereby he says he couldn't turn down the role again due to him turning it down in 2004 for loyalty reasons....Was it Roy Keane who said 'loyalty, loyalty, he wouldn't even know how to spell it.'  About someone else.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: john e on July 20, 2019, 02:02:58 PM
in fairness Bruce has turned it round in super fast time at Newcastle can't knock him 100% win record
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 20, 2019, 02:04:06 PM
He wasnít allowed to manage them due to work visa issues.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: john e on July 20, 2019, 02:06:58 PM
He wasnít allowed to manage them due to work visa issues.

His presence in the stand was enough
that is the measure of the man
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 24, 2019, 02:10:45 PM
Did anyone hear Michael Chopra describe wor Brucey as a mediocre championship manager in the week?  It is the first time Iíve heard anyone in the media tell it how it is.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: Newby on August 24, 2019, 02:28:44 PM
Did anyone hear Michael Chopra describe wor Brucey as a mediocre championship manager in the week?  It is the first time Iíve heard anyone in the media tell it how it is.

I'm pleased Chopra called him out, but it's a shame that it was said by a guy who was at best, a mediocre Championship Manager player! lol.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 24, 2019, 02:38:18 PM
True but at least he doesnít think heís good enough to manage Newcastle fueled by a kiss ass media frenzy.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: Newby on August 24, 2019, 02:54:12 PM
True but at least he doesnít think heís good enough to manage Newcastle fueled by a kiss ass media frenzy.

I couldn't agree more.  I am sick of the 'all boys together' mentality.  Bruce is a selfish twat and a boring manager.  I don't generally wish any ill luck on the barcodes, but whilst he's there, they can fook right off.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: Ad@m on August 24, 2019, 07:11:49 PM
Nathan Jones is a goner at Stoke isn't he?

I don't think I've ever seen a team hate a manager so much!
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: Dazvillain on August 24, 2019, 08:54:08 PM
Nathan Jones is a goner at Stoke isn't he?

I don't think I've ever seen a team hate a manager so much!
Not to mention a master stroke us not signing Butland
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: Lizz on August 24, 2019, 10:49:28 PM
Possibly, for the first time ever, I hope Spurs win tomorrow.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: Comrade Blitz on August 24, 2019, 10:56:41 PM
Taxi for Mr Solskjaer!
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: walsall villain on August 24, 2019, 10:59:34 PM
Nathan Jones is a goner at Stoke isn't he?

I don't think I've ever seen a team hate a manager so much!
I heard a radio program about Nathan Jones a few months ago. I was really impressed with how he came across. I very nearly put a few pounds on Stoke for promotion after that. Luckily I didnít. Heíd done so well at Luton so Iím surprised itís not been good at Stoke.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: rob_bridge on August 24, 2019, 11:01:12 PM
Taxi for Mr Solskjaer!

Nah he is doing great
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 24, 2019, 11:51:14 PM
Did anyone hear Michael Chopra describe wor Brucey as a mediocre championship manager in the week?  It is the first time Iíve heard anyone in the media tell it how it is.

Chopra dosen't like him at all, was staying this sort of stuff before he'd even been appointed. Have their paths crossed in the past?
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: wince on August 25, 2019, 09:52:02 PM
Potato head wins against the spuds. Should mean he stays on a bit longer....
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on August 25, 2019, 09:56:14 PM
Possibly, for the first time ever, I hope Spurs win tomorrow.
You jinxed them right there Lizz :)
I didn't see that  result coming
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 25, 2019, 10:10:37 PM
Potato head wins against the spuds. Should mean he stays on a bit longer....

Good.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: Rory Christopher on August 26, 2019, 01:21:08 AM
As if I needed more reasons to want Newcastle to go down, Bruce's "hopefully that'll shut a few people up" nonsense gave me more.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: Ad@m on August 26, 2019, 09:12:11 PM
As if I needed more reasons to want Newcastle to go down, Bruce's "hopefully that'll shut a few people up" nonsense gave me more.

He never learns does he.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: mallo on August 27, 2019, 12:46:24 PM
As if I needed more reasons to want Newcastle to go down, Bruce's "hopefully that'll shut a few people up" nonsense gave me more.

He never learns does he.

The sleeves were well and truly rolled up and the boots were laced.
Title: Re: Manager merry go round
Post by: sid1964 on August 27, 2019, 01:02:33 PM
Every time I hear Bruce talking, he seems to believe that the world is against him, no one forced him to take the job, and he is on £3million + a year

As he spouts his rubbish I keep thinking of that scene in Carry On Cleo were Kenneth Williams is playing Julius Cesar, and he says "infamy, infamy they all have it in for me"