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Title: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 28, 2019, 02:00:18 PM
Where do you start with that? Let’s hope our injuries aren’t serious. MOM Mings by a mile. Leeds are dirty fuckers but fair play Bielsa for doing the right thing for our goal.

And Anwar’s red will be overturned
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Bad English on April 28, 2019, 02:00:38 PM
What in the mother of fuck?
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: curiousorange on April 28, 2019, 02:00:54 PM
That was a fucking pitched battle we could have done without.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: frank black on April 28, 2019, 02:01:07 PM
Banford banned for playoffs I guess
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Tuscans on April 28, 2019, 02:01:18 PM
Mad, bonkers...lets hope the red gets overturned, the injuries and knocks aren't serios, play the kids v Norwich...what a play offs this could be.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Tuscans on April 28, 2019, 02:01:37 PM
Banford banned for playoffs I guess
He won't get banned
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: SaddVillan on April 28, 2019, 02:01:52 PM
Good to see the spirit of Don Revie is still alive.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 28, 2019, 02:02:12 PM
Donkeys led by a lion.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on April 28, 2019, 02:02:23 PM
A shit game but quite a spectacle.  That was a Premier League ref by the way.  Evidently the standard up there is no better than down here.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: CT on April 28, 2019, 02:02:45 PM
Absolutely despise Leeds United.

Pathetic squealing fans appealing every touch on their players, yet they happily miss Hernandez holding his face after being touched on the shoulder.

They miss Bamford getting a fellow pro sent off by faking being hit in the face. They happily cheer their cheating team scoring a goal while the opposition stop.

They have a defender who tries to stop us scoring after their own manager specifically ordered them to let us score.

That red card MUST be overturned, that what an absolute joke. We must, must rest players next week, starting with SJM.

Great effort from our boys. Nothing to fear if we face them again. UTV
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: andyh on April 28, 2019, 02:02:55 PM
What a game!

Fair play to Bielsa and Leeds for our goal but Bamford needs a punch in the face.
We are some team. Any other season we would have bottled that.

Guaranteed 5th.


Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Tuscans on April 28, 2019, 02:03:00 PM
I swear when Biesla said let us score, Terry went to him cheers and Biesla was like "Fack off you, Fack off you"
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 28, 2019, 02:03:08 PM
I think we should have rested players.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 28, 2019, 02:03:11 PM
Bamford, Klich and whoever passed it to him are an embarrassment.

Hopefully the disgraceful red card is overturned and the injuries aren’t bad. McGinn mustn’t play next week.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: dutchvilla on April 28, 2019, 02:03:29 PM
Is McGinn banned for too many yellows?
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: BoVillan esq on April 28, 2019, 02:03:32 PM
Breathless, incredible, incidents in this game will make the national news, just wow..so still unbeaten, red card has to be cancelled.

What a game, what a game. 
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: TaxDodger on April 28, 2019, 02:03:38 PM
Can't wait to beat these pricks at Wembley.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Tuscans on April 28, 2019, 02:04:14 PM
Is McGinn banned for too many yellows?
No he's on 14
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: OzVilla on April 28, 2019, 02:04:29 PM
I thought we looked pretty solid all game, had the best of what few chances there were.

Crazy 2nd half though, we’ll hear more about this. ElGhazi should have that overturned but there were others that could’ve gone instead, Fair play to Biesla for our goal, crazy.

Thought Smiths game management was poor though.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Axl Rose on April 28, 2019, 02:04:29 PM
Enjoyed that. Well played, Villa.

Thank you, Bielsa. Bamford, you're an utter ******. Fuck off.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Monty on April 28, 2019, 02:04:42 PM
Bielsa is a madman, Bamford is a shithouse and to be honest we battered them second half and they know it. Markers laid down.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Villa in Denmark on April 28, 2019, 02:04:47 PM
Is McGinn banned for too many yellows?
No that's number 14 so 1 left.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: andyh on April 28, 2019, 02:05:01 PM
SJM shouldn’t even be on the bench next week, nor Jack, nor Mings.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 28, 2019, 02:06:05 PM
Is McGinn banned for too many yellows?
No he's on 14

We don’t need him vs Norwich. There is no need to risk it. Have him rested and ready to go vs Albion
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 28, 2019, 02:06:21 PM
So we have no fit, recognised striker as I assume Davis was injured in training?
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: curiousorange on April 28, 2019, 02:06:29 PM
I'm going to the Norwich match, but if I see McGinn or Grealish anywhere near it I'll be quite annoyed.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on April 28, 2019, 02:06:37 PM
SJM shouldn’t even be on the bench next week, nor Jack, nor Mings.


We wouldn't be allowed to drop that many players who've all played every game since Jan when available.

resting SJM is the priority. We can sub the rest off second half.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: tomd2103 on April 28, 2019, 02:06:42 PM
Still hasn't quite sunk in what I've just watched there.  Didn't think we were great, but thought we were starting to threaten when the incident for their goal happened.  Still think we shouldn't have switched off, but it was a real lack of class from Leeds.  Bielsa sort of made up for it, but even then that tw@t Jansson couldn't help himself.

Hope the injuries to Steer and Mings aren't too bad, and El Ghazi's red card is rightly rescinded.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 28, 2019, 02:06:49 PM
Is McGinn banned for too many yellows?
No he's on 14

We don’t need him vs Norwich. There is no need to risk it

We didn't need him today.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Villan For Life on April 28, 2019, 02:06:55 PM
Fucking hell. That was some game!
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: saint13 on April 28, 2019, 02:07:02 PM
I thought we were very good at the back with Mings once again a giant.

Only concern for the pay offs is the lack of a clinical finisher. For me JK cant be relied upon if it comes down to a tight game in the final and he only gets one chance.

The goalie is a great improvement on all of the others we used, I can't believe Bruce shipped him out on loan when he was excellent in the first game at Hull.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Brend'Watkins on April 28, 2019, 02:07:08 PM
Red card will be rescinded. The only other thing for consideration then is a retrospective red for Bamforf’s blatant cheating.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on April 28, 2019, 02:07:50 PM
Worried most about Steer tbh with you.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 28, 2019, 02:08:34 PM
Mings being interviewed on Sky now.  I think I am actually in love with this bloke.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 28, 2019, 02:08:42 PM
I love Tyrone Mings.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: supertom on April 28, 2019, 02:08:50 PM
Astonishing. Leeds thoroughly living up to their historical reputation of being a dirty, cheating bunch of bastards. At least Bielsa showed a bit of decency (saying that, he should have been into his players when they did the same thing earlier and nipped that in the bud).
Absolutely awful officiating today. Dire, for both sides. Blowing up for minor challenges. Missing all the blatant ones (Kodjia should have had a penalty). Just woeful from Atwell and his team. That red was ludicrous and had better be overturned.

That aside Mings and Tuanzebe were exceptional today. Massive credit to Steer at the end too. Throughout the game Leeds didn't particularly test him, but considering he looked done for he's made a superb save at the end. 

Bunch of shitters Leeds. I hope we do them in the final because I'd feel sick seeing a shit heep of a club like that in the top flight.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on April 28, 2019, 02:08:56 PM
I think we should have rested players.
I think Dean didn't because we still could have put pressure on West Brom in their game against Derby if we'd won today for getting the 4th place (2nd leg at home in semis).
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: mr underhill on April 28, 2019, 02:09:13 PM
let's hope Tammy is back for the play offs as the goals are starting to dry up as they did this time last year. Watching Leeds is like watching the opening scenes from 2001.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: curiousorange on April 28, 2019, 02:09:20 PM
The standard of refereeing at Championship matches is, in general, dreadful. Attwell is supposed to be a Premier League ref but seemed pitifully biased by a partisan crowd from the get-go. Ruined what could have been a decent football contest and ensured it became nothing more than a wrestling match. Prick.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: taylorsworkrate on April 28, 2019, 02:09:31 PM
Complete clusterfuck of a game, especially 2nd half.

El Ghazi's red will most definitely be overturned, and SJM should be under orders not to leave his living room next weekend. Hopefully Jimmy Danger is ok, and we will have Tammy back.

What is easily missed in all the madness, is how brilliantly we defended for large parts of the game, and specifically after the joke red card. Mings and Tuanzebe were absolutely colossal. Move heaven and earth to sign the pair permanently
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on April 28, 2019, 02:09:47 PM
Our defence was absolutely outstanding today.  Mings has got cult hero written all over him.  Blessed is the peacemaker.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Somniloquism on April 28, 2019, 02:10:38 PM
SJM shouldn’t even be on the bench next week, nor Jack, nor Mings.


We wouldn't be allowed to drop that many players who've all played every game since Jan when available.

resting SJM is the priority. We can sub the rest off second half.

Not allowed by who?
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: SamTheMouse on April 28, 2019, 02:10:45 PM
Fucking hell that was absolutely bonkers.

My stream had no commentary, which is interesting as you can hear a lot more of what's being said at pitch level.

I have learned many new rude words.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: mr underhill on April 28, 2019, 02:11:12 PM
Bamford is an unadulterated ******.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: auntiesledd on April 28, 2019, 02:11:28 PM
Very relieved to snaffle a point at the home of those filthy barstewards. Hopefully none of the injuries they inflicted will cause any problems to our Play Off ambitions; EG gets that ridiculous red rescinded; and Bamford gets a ban for pathetic am-dram antics. Oh, and it's great we managed to drive that final nail into the automatic promotion coffin for them shitehouses.

We go again.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: CJ on April 28, 2019, 02:11:40 PM
El Ghazi's red should be rescinded as replays from the 'blind' side of the officials clearly showed he didn't even raise his hand and Bamford cheated to get him sent off. There should be some retrospective action on Bamford but I doubt it. Likewise there could be some retrospective action on Hourihane for grabbing Klick by the throat (perfectly reasonable imho) but he may get away with it as (presumably) the officials saw it
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on April 28, 2019, 02:11:47 PM
SJM shouldn’t even be on the bench next week, nor Jack, nor Mings.


We wouldn't be allowed to drop that many players who've all played every game since Jan when available.

resting SJM is the priority. We can sub the rest off second half.

Not allowed by who?

There is an EFL rule against it.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on April 28, 2019, 02:12:11 PM
Wow. What to say?

First things first, Bielsa did totally the right thing. He turned down the chance to keep Leeds in the slim automatic promotion race after what can only be described as a total injustice. So fair play to him for taking a stand against what happened. It also cooled the heads down a bit - which was needed. If it hadn’t happened, it would have been a very nasty game ending.

Bamford is a cheating arsehole. I suspect the FA cannot take retrospective action against him, but it is deserved. El Ghazi will have his card over turned no doubt. Leeds... bunch of dirty sodding cheats. I hope we really do get the chance to do them over at Wembley. Failing that, I want to see them getting mauled by Tony Pulis.

I thought that we played quite well as a team again. Defence looked solid. Leeds gameplan seemed to be just to hack everybody in midfield down, and stifle our creativity.

Bit concerned about Kodjia - we need Abraham back ASAP.

Rest McGinn for Norwich now. We’ll not catch West Brom so we might as well accept it and use some of the other squad members.

But Leeds. What a horrible bunch of dirty arseholes.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Bad English on April 28, 2019, 02:12:25 PM
Yes. He could be a swear word: "Fuck off you utter Bamford!"
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: SamTheMouse on April 28, 2019, 02:13:15 PM
Incidentally, it looked to me as if our players didn't switch off for their goal, because the Leeds fella made like he was going to put it out, only to disguise the pass.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on April 28, 2019, 02:13:18 PM
I hope Bamford plays.  He's useless.  Lightweight too.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Steve67 on April 28, 2019, 02:13:30 PM
Patrick Bamford is a cheating shit and the red card will be rescinded I'm sure.  Up to the sending off, Villa had the better chances I thought.  Absolute credit to Marcelo Bielsa for instructing his players to give us the goal, that was a class thing to do, although his players are classless in the build up.  Leeds had five shots on target, two of them were when we were down to ten men.  Tyrone Mings is superb, SJM one booking away from a ban.  We defended brilliantly, absolutely fantastic and thoroughly deserved at least a draw.  We have nothing to fear from the play offs and are now guaranteed at least 5th place with the point.  Well done Villa for standing tall and taking everything Leeds had to throw at us.  I suspect Bamford might be in a spot of bother with the F.A. for trying to con the officials.  A fair score. Not an easy place to go and we stood up. Class.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Somniloquism on April 28, 2019, 02:13:52 PM
SJM shouldn’t even be on the bench next week, nor Jack, nor Mings.


We wouldn't be allowed to drop that many players who've all played every game since Jan when available.

resting SJM is the priority. We can sub the rest off second half.

Not allowed by who?

There is an EFL rule against it.

So resting 3 players isn’t allowed. Wow what a shit rule.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: supertom on April 28, 2019, 02:15:13 PM
Next game is almost a free hit. If there's any issue with Jed needing a rest, lets chuck Sarkic in. Bit of experience in case we need to call upon him. I'd rest Kodjia too and give Davis a game. Rest SJM.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on April 28, 2019, 02:15:47 PM
SJM shouldn’t even be on the bench next week, nor Jack, nor Mings.


We wouldn't be allowed to drop that many players who've all played every game since Jan when available.

resting SJM is the priority. We can sub the rest off second half.

Not allowed by who?

There is an EFL rule against it.

So resting 3 players isn’t allowed. Wow what a shit rule.

Well in fairness I think it's classed as "wholesale changes" so I'm not really sure how they quantify that. We might get away with doing it given the obvious injuries and niggles we have, but those 3 are all fit...
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Legion on April 28, 2019, 02:15:49 PM
Bamford is a disgrace. Bielsa is a class apart.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Legion on April 28, 2019, 02:16:19 PM
Chaos and controversy (https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/11706082/controversy-at-elland-road)
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Legion on April 28, 2019, 02:16:37 PM
Our goal (https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/11706079/leeds-allow-villa-to-equalise)
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Damo70 on April 28, 2019, 02:16:55 PM
Be nice if El Ghazi's card gets overturned and Bamford gets a punishment for cheating. Bamford was also very obvious in showing his unhappiness at Bielsa's goal decision.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Bad English on April 28, 2019, 02:17:07 PM
Quote from: EFL Governance Section 5, Fixtures
Requirement to Play Full Strength Sides in League Matches

24.1

Each Club shall play its full strength in all Matches played under the auspices of The League unless some satisfactory reason is given. In the event of the explanation not being deemed satisfactory the Board shall refer the matter to a Disciplinary Commission which has the power to impose such penalties as it shall think fit.

https://www.efl.com/-more/governance/efl-rules--regulations/section-5--fixtures/
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on April 28, 2019, 02:17:45 PM
Incidentally, it looked to me as if our players didn't switch off for their goal, because the Leeds fella made like he was going to put it out, only to disguise the pass.

That was the most odious thing about it all. Not that they played on, but tried to look like they were gonna do the right thing and put it out. It takes a moment of calculation for a piece of shit to decide to disguise a pass like that.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Risso on April 28, 2019, 02:17:47 PM
You’ve just got to have 10 of the same players in the matchday squad.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Villa Lew on April 28, 2019, 02:18:14 PM
Wow what a match. Disgraceful from Leeds but you've gotta play to the whistle, as for Bamford, should get a 4 match ban for that, unfortunately won't, just hoping the red card will be rescinded, it should be but can you trust the EFL or FA to make a sensible decision. Mings MOTM by a mile.

UP THE VILLA
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: taylorsworkrate on April 28, 2019, 02:18:28 PM
SJM shouldn’t even be on the bench next week, nor Jack, nor Mings.


We wouldn't be allowed to drop that many players who've all played every game since Jan when available.

resting SJM is the priority. We can sub the rest off second half.

Not allowed by who?

There is an EFL rule against it.

The EFL rule is against wholesale changes. 3 changes is hardly wholesale
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 28, 2019, 02:18:37 PM
It was in response to that Wagner changing 10 players to allow the Blues to stay up again a few seasons ago.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on April 28, 2019, 02:18:46 PM
Quote from: EFL Governance Section 5, Fixtures
Requirement to Play Full Strength Sides in League Matches

24.1

Each Club shall play its full strength in all Matches played under the auspices of The League unless some satisfactory reason is given. In the event of the explanation not being deemed satisfactory the Board shall refer the matter to a Disciplinary Commission which has the power to impose such penalties as it shall think fit.

https://www.efl.com/-more/governance/efl-rules--regulations/section-5--fixtures/

Thanks BE. Fairly vague again. Don't know that we'd get away with changing the keeper, midfield, striker all in one go.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: garyshawsknee on April 28, 2019, 02:19:19 PM
I always thought it was Bamfords Dad who was the biggest tool in his family, his son proved me wrong today.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 28, 2019, 02:19:50 PM
Quote from: EFL Governance Section 5, Fixtures
Requirement to Play Full Strength Sides in League Matches

24.1

Each Club shall play its full strength in all Matches played under the auspices of The League unless some satisfactory reason is given. In the event of the explanation not being deemed satisfactory the Board shall refer the matter to a Disciplinary Commission which has the power to impose such penalties as it shall think fit.

https://www.efl.com/-more/governance/efl-rules--regulations/section-5--fixtures/

Thanks BE. Fairly vague again. Don't know that we'd get away with changing the keeper, midfield, striker all in one go.

Well the keeper looks injured, as does the striker.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Somniloquism on April 28, 2019, 02:19:51 PM
SJM shouldn’t even be on the bench next week, nor Jack, nor Mings.


We wouldn't be allowed to drop that many players who've all played every game since Jan when available.

resting SJM is the priority. We can sub the rest off second half.

Not allowed by who?

There is an EFL rule against it.

So resting 3 players isn’t allowed. Wow what a shit rule.

Well in fairness I think it's classed as "wholesale changes" so I'm not really sure how they quantify that. We might get away with doing it given the obvious injuries and niggles we have, but those 3 are all fit...

Quick check and 10 of the same squad need to be present unless good reasons. I’m sure slight injuries strains will probably be used but if not it doesn’t mean they can’t be in unused subs. Give Lansbury a start etc.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Goldie.7 on April 28, 2019, 02:19:54 PM
The 3-2 Carbone hat trick against this lot has been in the memories for years. I remember in that match James had the ball in his hands and one of their players tried heading it from his grasp to score. I guess nothing changes with these unsportsmanlike cheaters 19 years on.

That El Ghazi red should be overturned so not I'm not too angry. Hoping for the best concerning injuries as well.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: andyh on April 28, 2019, 02:20:35 PM
SJM shouldn’t even be on the bench next week, nor Jack, nor Mings.


We wouldn't be allowed to drop that many players who've all played every game since Jan when available.

resting SJM is the priority. We can sub the rest off second half.

Not allowed by who?

There is an EFL rule against it.

The EFL rule is against wholesale changes. 3 changes is hardly wholesale
Quite. We made 3 today.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: themossman on April 28, 2019, 02:21:02 PM
I think smith is justified in playing a strong side.

The way they were up for it they could have rolled a weak side and hit our confidence.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Jon Crofts on April 28, 2019, 02:21:15 PM
Bamford, Jannson what a pair of odious ******, may their arseholes be infested with the flies of a thousand camels.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on April 28, 2019, 02:22:01 PM
Game apart, thought that was a poor away support. Hindered no doubt by the most ridiculous over policing and stewarding I've seen all season.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Flamingo Lane on April 28, 2019, 02:22:27 PM
McGinn was very lucky to avoid a sending off in added time, when he deliberately and idiotically handled the ball to stop their move, but the referee chose to play advantage.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: FrankyH on April 28, 2019, 02:22:38 PM
I love Tyrone Mings.

In the melay after their cheating , I am sure he had hold of two Leeds players. Bloody marvellous
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on April 28, 2019, 02:23:18 PM
I've never seen Hourihane so wound up.  He was breathing fire.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: danno on April 28, 2019, 02:24:20 PM
Holding out for the draw seems massive, really think a late goal could have really deflated us.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on April 28, 2019, 02:24:36 PM
I've never seen Hourihane so wound up.  He was breathing fire.

He's a Cork man. Not to be crossed!
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: CJ on April 28, 2019, 02:24:51 PM
I think we could perfectly reasonably rest Jack as he was taken off injured today so I'm sure he'll (ahem) struggle to shake off a niggle by next week; and I think it would be reasonable to rest SJM given that if he picked up one more yellow he'd be banned for the play-offs.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: saunders_heroes on April 28, 2019, 02:25:00 PM
Leeds are rattled to me. They’ll blow up in the play offs.
Bamford is an absolute disgrace, a cheating tosser. Let’s hope he picks up a 3 match ban for blatant cheating.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Bad English on April 28, 2019, 02:25:21 PM
Bamford, Jannson what a pair of odious c***s, may their arseholes be infested with the flies of a thousand camels.
And may their bollocks be infested with the the maggots of a thousand horseflies.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: saunders_heroes on April 28, 2019, 02:25:25 PM
Oh and let’s rest Grealish and McGinn next week.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Clampy on April 28, 2019, 02:26:52 PM
Banford banned for playoffs I guess
He won't get banned

Dwight Gayle was earlier in the season for diving.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: mikeb1982 on April 28, 2019, 02:27:34 PM
Well done Leeds, you’ve just got everyone on our side for the playoff final. At least Bielsa managed some class, he deserves better than that lot
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: eddiemunster on April 28, 2019, 02:29:05 PM
Chaos and controversy (https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/11706082/controversy-at-elland-road)

Watch this from 2minutes 15 seconds, and see what a fucking cheating bastard Bamford really is. Can someone tell me if he can be given a ban retrospectively for his cheating??
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Tuscans on April 28, 2019, 02:29:16 PM
Banford banned for playoffs I guess
He won't get banned

Dwight Gayle was earlier in the season for diving.
But he earned a penalty. I thought that rule was all about pens.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Pat McMahon on April 28, 2019, 02:29:22 PM
Bamford, Jannson what a pair of odious c***s, may their arseholes be infested with the flies of a thousand camels.
And may their bollocks be infested with the the maggots of a thousand horseflies.

And a horse’s penis up their arse for the pair of them
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 28, 2019, 02:29:30 PM
Bamford cheating ****** moment

https://twitter.com/villareport/status/1122481229897654272?s=12
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Tuscans on April 28, 2019, 02:31:13 PM
SJM shouldn’t even be on the bench next week, nor Jack, nor Mings.


We wouldn't be allowed to drop that many players who've all played every game since Jan when available.

resting SJM is the priority. We can sub the rest off second half.

Not allowed by who?

There is an EFL rule against it.

The EFL rule is against wholesale changes. 3 changes is hardly wholesale
Quite. We made 3 today.
Yeah you can rest players as long as you're not changing 1-11. Every club does it to suit them before a game they deem more inpotant than the next one so you can definitely see 3, 4 or 5 out against Norwich, injured or rested.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Tuscans on April 28, 2019, 02:32:54 PM
C'mon though, Bag ends in the semi and possibly a rematch in the final....this could be a really tasty month, love it as much as I love Mings.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 28, 2019, 02:33:04 PM
Leeds are rattled to me. They’ll blow up in the play offs.
Bamford is an absolute disgrace, a cheating tosser. Let’s hope he picks up a 3 match ban for blatant cheating.

Can’t stand him, but I’d rather he wasn’t banned because he’s shite.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Fred Crump on April 28, 2019, 02:33:11 PM
Once I saw the team selection I chose to watch the Simpsons for health reasons. Glad I did. Injuries and possible suspensions and the pyscholgical advantage handed to Leeds. What a crap day.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Risso on April 28, 2019, 02:33:31 PM
Insane game. Couldn’t tell at all from the stands what was going on.

Thought we weren’t really at it today, and Smith’s decision making was well wonky.

All of the Leeds fans sat around me seemed to think Bamford is a massive ponce and deeply rubbish (all calling him Bambi), so his play acting won’t exactly dispel that image.

Well done to Bielsa though.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: clash city rocker on April 28, 2019, 02:34:34 PM
No chance Leeds going up. If they were like that today imagine them in the play offs. They have lost it.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: auntiesledd on April 28, 2019, 02:35:14 PM
Bamford cheating c*** moment

https://twitter.com/villareport/status/1122481229897654272?s=12

Jeeeez. What an utter weapon.  ::)
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on April 28, 2019, 02:35:30 PM
Do we have to ask the FA to review the incident / red card or do they decide that themselves?  Also, is there any chance of other players - particularly Hourihane - having their punishments increased?
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: mallo on April 28, 2019, 02:35:47 PM
Woah - need to steady the ship against Norwich and need Tammy back. Other than that I think we'll deal with whoever we get in the playoffs. Leeds should implode now.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Rudy65 on April 28, 2019, 02:35:47 PM
Some credit to Bielsa but given Derbygate earlier in the season, imagine the furore against him if he hadn't let us score
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Tuscans on April 28, 2019, 02:37:04 PM
Poor defending for the equaliser we just seemed to walk through Leeds defence unchallenged
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on April 28, 2019, 02:38:53 PM
Aston Villa manager Dean Smith tells Sky Sports: “Klich has apologised. Every credit to Leeds and Marcelo Bielsa for putting that right. I asked him and he agreed. He said ‘yes’. He apologised for what happened. Fair play to them. It was a good game of football until that moment.”
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: taylorsworkrate on April 28, 2019, 02:39:20 PM
Once I saw the team selection I chose to watch the Simpsons for health reasons. Glad I did. Injuries and possible suspensions and the pyscholgical advantage handed to Leeds. What a crap day.

Injuries highly unlikely to be serious, red card will definitely be overturned and i'd suggest that any psychological advantage would be with the team that came back from 1-0 down with 10 men, and then repelled everything the home team could throw at them.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: SaddVillan on April 28, 2019, 02:40:16 PM
Just before my client is alleged to have almost "decapitated" him, Mr Bamford clearly had my client in a choke hold from behind, from which he was trying to break free.

My client is therefore innocent of the charge and on the contrary, Mr Bamford was the instigator of events and should himself be charged.

The defence rests milord.




Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: taylorsworkrate on April 28, 2019, 02:41:24 PM
Poor defending for the equaliser we just seemed to walk through Leeds defence unchallenged

Jansson tried but Adomah was just too skillfull for him
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Rudy65 on April 28, 2019, 02:41:53 PM
The 3-2 Carbone hat trick against this lot has been in the memories for years. I remember in that match James had the ball in his hands and one of their players tried heading it from his grasp to score. I guess nothing changes with these unsportsmanlike cheaters 19 years on.

That El Ghazi red should be overturned so not I'm not too angry. Hoping for the best concerning injuries as well.

My main memory of that watch was having to usher my then 70 year old man away from the north stand car park as the Leeds fans charged through. Tossers
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Tuscans on April 28, 2019, 02:42:58 PM
Once I saw the team selection I chose to watch the Simpsons for health reasons. Glad I did. Injuries and possible suspensions and the pyscholgical advantage handed to Leeds. What a crap day.
The Simpsons forums are over there mate....
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: taylorsworkrate on April 28, 2019, 02:44:14 PM
Aston Villa manager Dean Smith tells Sky Sports: “Klich has apologised. Every credit to Leeds and Marcelo Bielsa for putting that right. I asked him and he agreed. He said ‘yes’. He apologised for what happened. Fair play to them. It was a good game of football until that moment.”

Yes, it was quite right for Leeds to allow our goal, but we had to play the last 15 minutes down to 10 men because of their actions.

If they'd have scored a winner it would have been completely unjust
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: ktvillan on April 28, 2019, 02:45:15 PM
Classy from Bielsa, the opposite from Leeds fans, Jansson and that arsehole Bamford who should get a retro ban. 

Their goal was partly our own fault for not playing to the whistle.  I don't buy into this kicking the ball out when an opponent is down.   That said, once we'd done it for them it seemed the fair thing to do to reciprocate.  Also their player seemed like he was about to play it out so our players were sort of deceived into stopping, then he passed it instead.

The linesman has obviously called the red on Bamford's reaction rather than what he saw, because there was no elbow and barely any contact - he just shrugged him off.  Cardinal sin for officials and he should get canned for it. 

Leeds fans and players seemed borderline hysterical.  Booing Jack for going down when clobbered by their thugs - at least he's used to it after playing Blues and Albion.  Christ knows what they'll be like in the actual play-offs.

Even though one of my best mates is a Leeds fan I hope they get shat on by Derby or Boro.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: olaftab on April 28, 2019, 02:46:03 PM
I think Bielsa has the psychological edge, by doing what he did, if the two teams meet in the final however that would be diluted by the fact that they have a cheating c*** in their team.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: ktvillan on April 28, 2019, 02:46:17 PM
Just to add not impressed by Smith keeping SJM and even Jack on so long when it was obvious it was getting feisty.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Tuscans on April 28, 2019, 02:46:37 PM
Aston Villa manager Dean Smith tells Sky Sports: “Klich has apologised. Every credit to Leeds and Marcelo Bielsa for putting that right. I asked him and he agreed. He said ‘yes’. He apologised for what happened. Fair play to them. It was a good game of football until that moment.”

Yes, it was quite right for Leeds to allow our goal, but we had to play the last 15 minutes down to 10 men because of their actions.

If they'd have scored a winner it would have been completely unjust
The blame for me goes all to the lino giving it the "elbow in the face" action to the ref.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Fred Crump on April 28, 2019, 02:47:23 PM
Oh well, might as well get this over with.
PWS , I owe you an apology. I believe I may once have taken you to task for sticking to a 30 year old outdated stereotype and not recognising Leeds as the sporting, progressive, free flowing, easy on the eye attacking side that they really are. I now humbly recant my stupid opinion and recognise that you are indeed right. Dirty Leeds they were, still are and always will be.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: olaftab on April 28, 2019, 02:48:26 PM
I always thought it was Bamfords Dad who was the biggest tool in his family, his son proved me wrong today.
You need to dig a bit deeper to excavate better jokes.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Risso on April 28, 2019, 02:50:41 PM
Phillips is a very good player for them. Would be a good purchase after we pummel them in the final.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Nev on April 28, 2019, 02:50:56 PM
Now the dust has settled a bit I'm perfectly happy today. Provided the injuries are not too serious and the red card is rescinded it can be looked upon as a good days work. The winning run gone but no real damage, McGinn booked but we have control of that now, 10 men negated a chance of winning, we have the moral high ground and can point to the injustice as a contributory factor in losing the run but most of all I thought we looked really good. Defence was magnificent, we competed in midfield, should've been sharper up front but still created and most crucially of all there is fire at the heart of this team.

The bandwagon rolls on and no amount of shithousing and cuntery can put us off our stride
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: 144 Hard Boiled Eggs on April 28, 2019, 02:51:54 PM
Poor defending for the equaliser we just seemed to walk through Leeds defence unchallenged

Reminded me of Hutton's goal against the Blues!
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on April 28, 2019, 02:53:35 PM
Bamford is trending on Twitter.  The fop.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: john2710 on April 28, 2019, 02:53:56 PM
Leeds tried to out muscle us. The crowd, player & manager were out to intimidate us & the ref (who has always been shit) from the off. They failed. If Jack's left foot had been planted that challenge would have caused a lot of damage.

Then they tried cheating. They are an odious club who always bottle it & they're about to do it again.

I don't buy this about Bielsa doing the honourable thing, I think he had little choice.

Sky will now be relishing a rematch in May.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: andyh on April 28, 2019, 02:54:42 PM
Now the dust has settled a bit I'm perfectly happy today. Provided the injuries are not too serious and the red card is rescinded it can be looked upon as a good days work. The winning run gone but no real damage, McGinn booked but we have control of that now, 10 men negated a chance of winning, we have the moral high ground and can point to the injustice as a contributory factor in losing the run but most of all I thought we looked really good. Defence was magnificent, we competed in midfield, should've been sharper up front but still created and most crucially of all there is fire at the heart of this team.

The bandwagon rolls on and no amount of shithousing and cuntery can put us off our stride
A very good summary Nev and very much how see it too.
This team of ours has some real resilience and fight and none of the teams in the playoffs will be harder to beat than us.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Tuscans on April 28, 2019, 02:55:06 PM
Poor defending for the equaliser we just seemed to walk through Leeds defence unchallenged

Reminded me of Hutton's goal against the Blues!
Ha Ha, identical.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: olaftab on April 28, 2019, 02:55:21 PM
Poor defending for the equaliser we just seemed to walk through Leeds defence unchallenged
Give some credit to Taylor as he distracted their defenders allowing Adomah to skin Jansson before dummying their keeper.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on April 28, 2019, 02:56:28 PM
I don't buy this about Bielsa doing the honourable thing, I think he had little choice.
He did though.  Leeds hadn't broke any official rules so he could have just shrugged.  He chose to do the decent thing.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 28, 2019, 02:57:13 PM
Booing Jack for going down when clobbered by their thugs - at least he's used to it after playing Blues and Albion.  Christ knows what they'll be like in the actual play-offs.

Their thuggish challenges apart, my main concern today was how Bielsa managed to neutralise Jack today, having him man-marked. It worked a treat and I hope it's not something Albion decide to copy.

Defensively we were excellent, the midfield put in a shift but I saw little threat from Kodja, Green or El Ghazi. That's a big worry. Finally, today once again proved nobody gets to bully us, no matter how hard they try.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Tuscans on April 28, 2019, 02:58:07 PM
Poor defending for the equaliser we just seemed to walk through Leeds defence unchallenged
Give some credit to Taylor as he distracted their defenders allowing Adomah to skin Jansson before dummying their keeper.
Talking about Taylor. See him get really angry, run up to a Leeds player, pinch his collar and then run off.....I'm hard I am.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Fred Crump on April 28, 2019, 02:58:25 PM
Once I saw the team selection I chose to watch the Simpsons for health reasons. Glad I did. Injuries and possible suspensions and the pyscholgical advantage handed to Leeds. What a crap day.
The Simpsons forums are over there mate....
Eat my shorts  :)
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Tuscans on April 28, 2019, 03:00:29 PM
Once I saw the team selection I chose to watch the Simpsons for health reasons. Glad I did. Injuries and possible suspensions and the pyscholgical advantage handed to Leeds. What a crap day.
The Simpsons forums are over there mate....
Eat my shorts  :)
Doh!
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Risso on April 28, 2019, 03:00:30 PM
Just had Radio Leeds on in the car and apparently Bielsa has criticised Janssen for not respecting his authority.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithe on April 28, 2019, 03:04:22 PM
Poor defending for the equaliser we just seemed to walk through Leeds defence unchallenged
Give some credit to Taylor as he distracted their defenders allowing Adomah to skin Jansson before dummying their keeper.
Talking about Taylor. See him get really angry, run up to a Leeds player, pinch his collar and then run off.....I'm hard I am.

Yes that was noticeable, got angry then quickly realised how out of his depth he would be in a row so left it to the bigger boys.

Fair play to Bielsa, he righted the wrong from his team.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Fred Crump on April 28, 2019, 03:06:23 PM
I don't buy this about Bielsa doing the honourable thing, I think he had little choice.
He did though.  Leeds hadn't broke any official rules so he could have just shrugged.  He chose to do the decent thing.
Call me an old cynic but he realised it was a pointless game and seized the chance to restore his reputation. At a stroke he wiped ‘spygate’ off the slate and gained a good sportsman image
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on April 28, 2019, 03:06:44 PM
Just had Radio Leeds on in the car and apparently Bielsa has criticised Janssen for not respecting his authority.

Lovely. Hope they fall out.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: eamonn on April 28, 2019, 03:06:47 PM
I don't buy this about Bielsa doing the honourable thing, I think he had little choice.
He did though.  Leeds hadn't broke any official rules so he could have just shrugged.  He chose to do the decent thing.

Only after Dean asked him. And he gave Terry a round of Argentinian fucks after the goal too.
Just glad that Adomah scored, imagine if he'd put it wide!
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Legion on April 28, 2019, 03:07:02 PM
Mings gives credit (https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/11706122/mings-hails-villa-resilience)
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Flamingo Lane on April 28, 2019, 03:07:05 PM
Granted we did it and they didn't, but this thing about kicking the ball out of play when an opponent is on the floor is a nonsense.  I'm watching the Burnley v Man City game on TV now, and Chris Wood for Burnley was put clean through as the result of a move with a City player lying 'injured' on the floor.  Burnley just played on, and there not a single City player complained.   
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: West Derby Villan on April 28, 2019, 03:07:47 PM
Before they "scored" I thought it was a pretty good and even game. They had the majority of possession but we had the best chances. Thought we were the only one that would win. The incident obviously altered the game in their favour, but our defence were formidable and stood up to anything they threw at us, including Stead who had difficulty standing up! Hope the red gets rescinded but I don't expect Bamford to get done. All in all a good result under the circumstances with Mings a colossus, Leeds don't worry me anymore. UTV
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: taylorsworkrate on April 28, 2019, 03:08:37 PM
It would have been quite funny if we'd chosen Jack to put the ball in the net for the goal they let us have back.

Think their fans would have gone absolutely bonkers.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Legion on April 28, 2019, 03:09:00 PM
Bielsa (https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/11706140/bielsa-ponders-controversial-game)
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Legion on April 28, 2019, 03:09:39 PM
Highlights (https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/11706154/leeds-1-1-aston-villa)
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Legion on April 28, 2019, 03:10:11 PM
Dean Smith (https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/11706160/smith-thanks-bielsa-for-equaliser)
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Fred Crump on April 28, 2019, 03:10:39 PM
Granted we did it and they didn't, but this thing about kicking the ball out of play when an opponent is on the floor is a nonsense.  I'm watching the Burnley v Man City game on TV now, and Chris Wood for Burnley was put clean through as the result of a move with a City player lying 'injured' on the floor.  Burnley just played on, and there not a single City player complained.
Agreed. I think that if the boot had been on the other foot we’d have been grumbling. Ref should have given the goal offside though
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: ez on April 28, 2019, 03:11:40 PM
Did sky say any about him being offside or not?
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on April 28, 2019, 03:14:06 PM
I don't buy this about Bielsa doing the honourable thing, I think he had little choice.
He did though.  Leeds hadn't broke any official rules so he could have just shrugged.  He chose to do the decent thing.
Call me an old cynic but he realised it was a pointless game and seized the chance to restore his reputation. At a stroke he wiped ‘spygate’ off the slate and gained a good sportsman image
You're an old cynic.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Mister E on April 28, 2019, 03:14:55 PM
Booing Jack for going down when clobbered by their thugs - at least he's used to it after playing Blues and Albion.  Christ knows what they'll be like in the actual play-offs.

Their thuggish challenges apart, my main concern today was how Bielsa managed to neutralise Jack today, having him man-marked. It worked a treat and I hope it's not something Albion decide to copy.

Defensively we were excellent, the midfield put in a shift but I saw little threat from Kodja, Green or El Ghazi. That's a big worry. Finally, today once again proved nobody gets to bully us, no matter how hard they try.
True but Hourihane looked a lot better thanks to the space they gave him, and McGinn was excellent again. Alos, the tactic of having Tuanzebe and Mings bring the ball out of defence was aided by their focus on Grealish.
With Abraham, I think we would have scored well before the goals-debacle.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Fred Crump on April 28, 2019, 03:16:40 PM
I don't buy this about Bielsa doing the honourable thing, I think he had little choice.
He did though.  Leeds hadn't broke any official rules so he could have just shrugged.  He chose to do the decent thing.
Call me an old cynic but he realised it was a pointless game and seized the chance to restore his reputation. At a stroke he wiped ‘spygate’ off the slate and gained a good sportsman image
You're an old cynic.
Thanks Hilts   ;D
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: purpletrousers on April 28, 2019, 03:19:17 PM
Granted we did it and they didn't, but this thing about kicking the ball out of play when an opponent is on the floor is a nonsense.  I'm watching the Burnley v Man City game on TV now, and Chris Wood for Burnley was put clean through as the result of a move with a City player lying 'injured' on the floor.  Burnley just played on, and there not a single City player complained.   

The point is, and I’m not arguing it was deliberate deception, they stopped playing as if putting it out, then didn’t. If that had been done deliberately (I don’t think it was pre-meditated) it would be exceptionally unsporting. If they’d have just played on as normal (like it sounds in that match) we might not have liked it but that would have been more acceptable. The villa players & bench kicked off as they were deceived.

It looks like we chose Taylor to get his first ‘pro’ goal (3 Wrexham were National League) but Jansson forced Albert to make sure of it.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Holte132 on April 28, 2019, 03:21:39 PM
Granted we did it and they didn't, but this thing about kicking the ball out of play when an opponent is on the floor is a nonsense.  I'm watching the Burnley v Man City game on TV now, and Chris Wood for Burnley was put clean through as the result of a move with a City player lying 'injured' on the floor.  Burnley just played on, and there not a single City player complained.   

I think it was the fact that Leeds acted as if they were about to put the ball out of play and then carried on that was the problem.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: West Derby Villan on April 28, 2019, 03:24:09 PM
Granted we did it and they didn't, but this thing about kicking the ball out of play when an opponent is on the floor is a nonsense.  I'm watching the Burnley v Man City game on TV now, and Chris Wood for Burnley was put clean through as the result of a move with a City player lying 'injured' on the floor.  Burnley just played on, and there not a single City player complained.   

I think it was the fact that Leeds acted as if they were about to put the ball out of play and then carried on that was the problem.

110% this UTV
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: john e on April 28, 2019, 03:25:34 PM
I wonder if things would have been different if anything was actually riding on the game
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: garyshawsknee on April 28, 2019, 03:27:19 PM
Did bookies suspend betting after the Leeds goal?
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Flamingo Lane on April 28, 2019, 03:27:58 PM
Granted we did it and they didn't, but this thing about kicking the ball out of play when an opponent is on the floor is a nonsense.  I'm watching the Burnley v Man City game on TV now, and Chris Wood for Burnley was put clean through as the result of a move with a City player lying 'injured' on the floor.  Burnley just played on, and there not a single City player complained.   

The point is, and I’m not arguing it was deliberate deception, they stopped playing as if putting it out, then didn’t. If that had been done deliberately (I don’t think it was pre-meditated) it would be exceptionally unsporting. If they’d have just played on as normal (like it sounds in that match) we might not have liked it but that would have been more acceptable. The villa players & bench kicked off as they were deceived.
 

I'm not so sure.  It looked to me as if the play had slowed down because Villa players near the action had become centred on the need (as they saw it) for Leeds to put the ball out of play, which they had no obligation to do.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: taylorsworkrate on April 28, 2019, 03:28:50 PM
Did bookies suspend betting after the Leeds goal?

Guessing so.

If they didn't  then a "next team to score" bet would have been quite profitable!
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Villafirst on April 28, 2019, 03:29:54 PM
Surely cheating scumbag Bamford should be banned? He got El Ghazi sent off! Hopefully the red card gets recinded?
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Stu on April 28, 2019, 03:31:32 PM
The Leeds player made to kick the ball out of play, but then actually passed to his teammate, which meant Villa players were not concentrating or in position. It was devious, it was unsporting, and it was Leeds all over.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: taylorsworkrate on April 28, 2019, 03:31:38 PM
Granted we did it and they didn't, but this thing about kicking the ball out of play when an opponent is on the floor is a nonsense.  I'm watching the Burnley v Man City game on TV now, and Chris Wood for Burnley was put clean through as the result of a move with a City player lying 'injured' on the floor.  Burnley just played on, and there not a single City player complained.   

The point is, and I’m not arguing it was deliberate deception, they stopped playing as if putting it out, then didn’t. If that had been done deliberately (I don’t think it was pre-meditated) it would be exceptionally unsporting. If they’d have just played on as normal (like it sounds in that match) we might not have liked it but that would have been more acceptable. The villa players & bench kicked off as they were deceived.
 

I'm not so sure.  It looked to me as if the play had slowed down because Villa players near the action had become centred on the need (as they saw it) for Leeds to put the ball out of play, which they had no obligation to do.

The Leeds player clearly slows down for me. His body looks positioned in such a way that he was going to put it out, then Klich realises Villa have stopped and screams like a ****** for the ball.

It all should have been moot, as it was clearly a foul on Kodjia with the defender going through the back of him.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: garyshawsknee on April 28, 2019, 03:33:29 PM
Did bookies suspend betting after the Leeds goal?

Guessing so.

If they didn't  then a "next team to score" bet would have been quite profitable!

I was caught on my heels and didn't check!!
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: frank black on April 28, 2019, 03:36:36 PM
Granted we did it and they didn't, but this thing about kicking the ball out of play when an opponent is on the floor is a nonsense.  I'm watching the Burnley v Man City game on TV now, and Chris Wood for Burnley was put clean through as the result of a move with a City player lying 'injured' on the floor.  Burnley just played on, and there not a single City player complained.
Agreed. I think that if the boot had been on the other foot we’d have been grumbling. Ref should have given the goal offside though

I like to think we would never stoop so low. Pure cheating in their part, to pretend to be put it out and then put in a through ball.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: andyh on April 28, 2019, 03:44:47 PM
Deano and Mings singing Allez Allez Allez

https://twitter.com/villareport/status/1122510232209510401?s=21
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 28, 2019, 04:11:41 PM
Fucking hell Mings is built like a steam engine
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: baddowvillans on April 28, 2019, 04:18:22 PM
Wouldn't it be funny if it turned out that Bielsa' interpreter was a life long Villa supporter and he can't understand why they let us walk through!  😁
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: LeeB on April 28, 2019, 04:20:17 PM
Fucking hell Mings is built like a steam engine

He looks like a fucking Marvel Avenger
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on April 28, 2019, 04:22:31 PM

Didn't enjoy watching that one bit today.

Forgetting all the drama around the 'incident', i thought we looked very disjointed and were largely awful with the ball from the off.

Worst game Jack's had for ages, he did the square root of fuck all today. Hopefully he's got that out his system now before the real work starts.

El Ghazi and Green still drive me mental as well. So little composure with the ball when it matters.

I'll take a point though.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: old man villa fan on April 28, 2019, 04:26:42 PM
Same old cheating Leeds. New style manager.

Incompetent Assistant Refs.  The first missed the clear offside that would have prevented the controversy and the second assumed an offence that he did not see.  The referee was closer to the incident and clearly in his line of sight, so why he listened to his assistant, is amazing.  Bamford should be banned for blatantly getting a player sent off and that was after he had him in a strangle hold.


Time to rest key players next week.  We have enough squad players that have made appearances this season to bring in so that it would not be seen to be playing a weakened side.  The rule does not say that you always have to play your best side.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: clash city rocker on April 28, 2019, 04:30:37 PM
Game against Norwich is a training ground affair and then we get down to brass tacks. Come on my Villa boys and let's do Smethwick.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Jon Crofts on April 28, 2019, 04:32:50 PM
Never a red card referee.
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Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Ads on April 28, 2019, 04:43:48 PM
Leeds were a fucking disgrace. They kicked absolute lumps out of us and the level of shithousery was obscene.

They played on when we put it out before, but that was a fucking joke the way their lad stopped and then after we had stopped, decided to feed the ball down the line.

I have seen the sending off back again and fuck me that is an utter joke. Bamford wants shovelling.

Defensively we stood up to them quite comfortably. It was all shots outside the box. Kodjia should have scored, but chances were at a premium. What was on offer, we created the best of.

Fingers crossed our injuries dont mount up as they're an abomination.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: ez on April 28, 2019, 04:51:52 PM
Surely cheating scumbag Bamford should be banned? He got El Ghazi sent off! Hopefully the red card gets recinded?

These are the mistakes that there is no excuse for. You can understand when they miss things but when they see things that haven't happened...
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: KRS on April 28, 2019, 05:08:25 PM
I missed the game so trying to work out WTF has actually happened today...

Fair play to Bielsa for agreeing with Smith to allow us to score after those unbelievable scenes.
Klich has apparently apologised for scoring the goal, but Bamford and Jansson are a fuckin disgrace for their conduct.

Still trying to work out what injuries we've picked up...how come Davis wasn't in the squad? Any news on Kodjia inury?
Also what happened with Steer as read a few comments on here saying he was struggling to stand up at the end?

SJM picked up his 14th booking and Dean has already said he'll sit out the Norwich game.

Anything else I've missed?!  :o
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on April 28, 2019, 05:09:26 PM
Also what happened with Steer as read a few comments on here saying he was struggling to stand up at the end?
Dunno what happened but yes he was struggling but even then pulled off a cracking save towards the end.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 28, 2019, 05:11:29 PM
While yes fair play to Bielsa for agreeing to let us score he also sent his team out to kick the shit out of us. While without hesitation kicked the ball out for their injury his team didn’t. So while thank you for doing the decent thing initially his team didn’t. And part of me wonders would he have done so if the stakes were higher or if Dean hadn’t asked him?
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 28, 2019, 05:14:36 PM
I wouldn't be surprised to see Hotlips pick up a ban.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: taylorsworkrate on April 28, 2019, 05:16:59 PM
I wouldn't be surprised to see Hotlips pick up a ban.

He was booked for his involvement though, so the ref has dealt with that at the time.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 28, 2019, 05:20:50 PM
I wouldn't be surprised to see Hotlips pick up a ban.

He was booked for his involvement though, so the ref has dealt with that at the time.

I'm on about this

https://twitter.com/ellandread/status/1122500282783600640
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 28, 2019, 05:21:12 PM
We played very well today on the whole.

Was really fearing Leeds clicking today and giving us a 3 or 4 goal drubbing which would've impacted on the play offs mentallty for us.

If we can get through they'd hold no fear for me on a neutral ground, not near the standard of Fulham this time last year.

Crazy last 15 minutes will just add a bit more spice to any future meeting. Have to say in the 7 minute injury time onslaught Mings was a monster at the back for us, such a brilliant loan signing.

I would say though to be fully confident of going up we need Tammy back. So many good breaks today were let down by hestitation or indecision in the final third.

I worry in either the semi final or final we'd miss a gilt edged chance that Tammy would put away with his eyes closed. He just gives us that finishing touch in the final third.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: taylorsworkrate on April 28, 2019, 05:23:23 PM
I wouldn't be surprised to see Hotlips pick up a ban.

He was booked for his involvement though, so the ref has dealt with that at the time.

I'm on about this

https://twitter.com/ellandread/status/1122500282783600640

It doesn't look great, but as Grealish is sort of blocking it from the camera it would be pretty difficult to be 100% sure what happened
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Risso on April 28, 2019, 05:25:36 PM

Didn't enjoy watching that one bit today.

Forgetting all the drama around the 'incident', i thought we looked very disjointed and were largely awful with the ball from the off.

Worst game Jack's had for ages, he did the square root of fuck all today. Hopefully he's got that out his system now before the real work starts.

El Ghazi and Green still drive me mental as well. So little composure with the ball when it matters.

I'll take a point though.

Agreed, wasn't a very fluid display from us at all.

Green was hopeless today, hope he doesn't play in the play offs, he offers no support and his final balls are invariably terrible.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: olaftab on April 28, 2019, 05:25:37 PM
I don't buy this about Bielsa doing the honourable thing, I think he had little choice.
He did though.  Leeds hadn't broke any official rules so he could have just shrugged.  He chose to do the decent thing.
Call me an old cynic but he realised it was a pointless game and seized the chance to restore his reputation. At a stroke he wiped ‘spygate’ off the slate and gained a good sportsman image
And of course he remembered "sportsmanship" after Dean  told him what he could do.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: olaftab on April 28, 2019, 05:28:44 PM
Green was hopeless today, hope he doesn't play in the play offs, he offers no support and his final balls are invariably terrible.
Green will learn but as of now he is a liability. He has poor anticipation, invariably loses tackles, is not good with the second ball and lacks judgement on final ball. Other than that he is fine :)
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: themossman on April 28, 2019, 05:30:24 PM
Yeah would he have done the decent thing if a win gave them a chance of second? His big gesture didn’t amount to much other than distancing him from the disgraceful behaviour of his players (who presumably took the cue from him when they played like cynical fouling, cheating arseholes all game).
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: olaftab on April 28, 2019, 05:31:25 PM
I wouldn't be surprised to see Hotlips pick up a ban.

He was booked for his involvement though, so the ref has dealt with that at the time.

I'm on about this

https://twitter.com/ellandread/status/1122500282783600640
Leeds number 3 had a proper reason for going down unlike Bambi.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 28, 2019, 05:32:46 PM
 I'd say fair play Bielsa. We can only speculate what he might have done in other circumstances, but we don't know. What we do know is that he did the decent thing today, and deserves credit for doing so.

Bamford is a wanker and he better be banned for the next three games, mind.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: john2710 on April 28, 2019, 05:33:13 PM
I wouldn't be surprised to see Hotlips pick up a ban.

He was booked for his involvement though, so the ref has dealt with that at the time.

I'm on about this

https://twitter.com/ellandread/status/1122500282783600640

They're claiming this is a punch, FFS. There's more chance of the EFL upholding El Ghazi's red card than giving a ban for that.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 28, 2019, 05:36:37 PM
Surprised at the negativity.

Just because we've won 10 in a row (which surely should quell any negativity straight away as team deserves a bit of trust for once) dosen't mean we're just going to Elland Road and steamroll them.

They've bottled automatic promotion but have been above us in the league all season and are a tricky match up for us.

First half I thought we showed plenty going forward but without Tammy the final touch was missing. Could've also had a penalty with a different ref.

Point at Elland Road in these circumstances is very good, not a ground we have that great a record on in recent times either.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Risso on April 28, 2019, 05:36:54 PM
Elland road is a shit ground as well.  Three stands that wouldn't look out of place at a League 2 club, and one enormous one.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: themossman on April 28, 2019, 05:39:12 PM
Leeds’ final ball was surprisingly poor. Which I think shows how well we defend these days, forcing them to hit shots from distance and sharp angles. For all their 27 shots we had the better chances and if we’d had Tammy on the pitch we would have won.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on April 28, 2019, 05:39:50 PM
I'd say fair play Bielsa. We can only speculate what he might have done in other circumstances, but we don't know. What we do know is that he did the decent thing today, and deserves credit for doing so.
Exactly.  It was a sporting gesture regardless of circumstances.  You could argue that many other managers wouldn't have done it at all.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: mike on April 28, 2019, 05:42:00 PM
I wouldn't be surprised to see Hotlips pick up a ban.

He was booked for his involvement though, so the ref has dealt with that at the time.

I'm on about this

https://twitter.com/ellandread/status/1122500282783600640

It doesn't look great, but as Grealish is sort of blocking it from the camera it would be pretty difficult to be 100% sure what happened

He punches him, no doubt in my mind. If nothing else, Hourihan showed he cared today.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 28, 2019, 05:43:42 PM
Hotlips has got stuck in a few times now when it's got a bit heated this season.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on April 28, 2019, 05:43:47 PM
I haven't seen anyone so seething with anger since Lee Bowyer thumped Kieron Dyer.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: taylorsworkrate on April 28, 2019, 05:46:06 PM
I wouldn't be surprised to see Hotlips pick up a ban.

He was booked for his involvement though, so the ref has dealt with that at the time.

I'm on about this

https://twitter.com/ellandread/status/1122500282783600640

It doesn't look great, but as Grealish is sort of blocking it from the camera it would be pretty difficult to be 100% sure what happened

He punches him, no doubt in my mind. If nothing else, Hourihan showed he cared today.

It does seem a bit strange that there is zero reaction from the Leeds player. He doesn't even seem to acknowledge something happened.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on April 28, 2019, 05:48:28 PM
I wouldn't be surprised to see Hotlips pick up a ban.

He was booked for his involvement though, so the ref has dealt with that at the time.

I'm on about this

https://twitter.com/ellandread/status/1122500282783600640

It doesn't look great, but as Grealish is sort of blocking it from the camera it would be pretty difficult to be 100% sure what happened

He punches him, no doubt in my mind. If nothing else, Hourihan showed he cared today.

It does seem a bit strange that there is zero reaction from the Leeds player. He doesn't even seem to acknowledge something happened.

Most likely Hourihane gives him a very light dig which would have been more, but he pulls his punch at the end when he thinks better of following through. Their lad clearly has a bit of respect for himself and doesn't make anything of it. Looks worse than it is, I think
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Lizz on April 28, 2019, 05:49:37 PM
I was at my mom's and listened to the game on WM. Honestly thought I was going to hear swearing from the commentary team.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 28, 2019, 05:52:14 PM
Their lad clearly has a bit of respect for himself and doesn't make anything of it. Looks worse than it is, I think
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Yep fair play to their lad for not making a meal of it.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: themossman on April 28, 2019, 05:52:29 PM
My impression is that some of the Leeds players are cheating arseholes and some aren’t.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: taylorsworkrate on April 28, 2019, 05:54:22 PM
Their lad clearly has a bit of respect for himself and doesn't make anything of it. Looks worse than it is, I think

Yep fair play to their lad for not making a meal of it.
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The footage makes it look as if he didn't know it even happened!
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 28, 2019, 05:56:19 PM
Did anyone ask DS in interviews afterwards where was Davis?

We finished with Adomah as a false 9 striker today so not a tactic that's going to get us much joy in the play offs. We need some forwards fit.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 28, 2019, 05:57:39 PM
What's Samba up to these days?
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: old man villa fan on April 28, 2019, 06:00:51 PM
Same old cheating Leeds. New style manager.

Incompetent Assistant Refs.  The first missed the clear offside that would have prevented the controversy and the second assumed an offence that he did not see.  The referee was closer to the incident and clearly in his line of sight, so why he listened to his assistant, is amazing.  Bamford should be banned for blatantly getting a player sent off and that was after he had him in a strangle hold.


Time to rest key players next week.  We have enough squad players that have made appearances this season to bring in so that it would not be seen to be playing a weakened side.  The rule does not say that you always have to play your best side.

Having watched it again, it was the same Assistant in both cases.  How on earth he could have seen the incident when both players had their backs to him (or to be generous, side on).
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Ads on April 28, 2019, 06:01:22 PM
Not sure how we can be described as awful today.

The chances that were created, came from us. Leeds waste half their time shooting from 30 yards out a mile wide or high.

They closed us down and the repeated lamping of Grealish knocked him off his stride. I felt their centre half went in two footed first half, but I've not seen it back. Constant little niggles and Sunday fouls. Hernandez's one on Green was just irritating.

Thought we were a bit loose in midfield defensively off the ball, but that's in part Hourihane being there and not Whelan.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: purpletrousers on April 28, 2019, 06:07:40 PM
Did anyone ask DS in interviews afterwards where was Davis?

We finished with Adomah as a false 9 striker today so not a tactic that's going to get us much joy in the play offs. We need some forwards fit.

https://twitter.com/avfcofficial/status/1122512360781037569?s=21

Official post match Deano 3m10

Not had chance to catch up with Kodj but says “Jonathan’s hurt his foot, I’m sure it won’t be too bad” , says Keinan fell ill yesterday, “we’ll all be ready for Norwich City”.

Doesn’t seem too worried about Steer either.

Maybe summarising not based on too much, but good to not hear big concerns.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: old man villa fan on April 28, 2019, 06:07:56 PM
Not sure how we can be described as awful today.

The chances that were created, came from us. Leeds waste half their time shooting from 30 yards out a mile wide or high.

They closed us down and the repeated lamping of Grealish knocked him off his stride. I felt their centre half went in two footed first half, but I've not seen it back. Constant little niggles and Sunday fouls. Hernandez's one on Green was just irritating.

Thought we were a bit loose in midfield defensively off the ball, but that's in part Hourihane being there and not Whelan.

Paul Robinson (ex goalkeeper) was in the studio and said Cooper could very easily have been sent off as he looked as though he deliberately followed through.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: old man villa fan on April 28, 2019, 06:10:00 PM
Did anyone ask DS in interviews afterwards where was Davis?

We finished with Adomah as a false 9 striker today so not a tactic that's going to get us much joy in the play offs. We need some forwards fit.

Jedinak was the false 9  :)
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on April 28, 2019, 06:12:06 PM
Paul Robinson (ex goalkeeper) was in the studio and said Cooper could very easily have been sent off as he looked as though he deliberately followed through.
I thought it was a deserved booking but not a red.  SJM let fly with a real two-footed jump in the second half but by that point the ref had lost all control, and so had some of the players.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Risso on April 28, 2019, 06:14:03 PM
Jedinak hauling his ageing bones around up front for a few minutes was hilarious. 
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on April 28, 2019, 06:14:49 PM
Jedinak hauling his ageing bones around up front for a few minutes was hilarious.
His beard at least was ahead of the play.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: old man villa fan on April 28, 2019, 06:17:15 PM
Paul Robinson (ex goalkeeper) was in the studio and said Cooper could very easily have been sent off as he looked as though he deliberately followed through.
I thought it was a deserved booking but not a red.  SJM let fly with a real two-footed jump in the second half but by that point the ref had lost all control, and so had some of the players.

The big difference between the two was that Cooper's was towards the player which is far more dangerous because it is difficult for the player to ride it.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: john e on April 28, 2019, 06:18:23 PM
the Bamford thing was the worst thing I saw today

I don't think they were right but I can understand why a striker goes for goal I can understand why a defender doesn't want to stand aside while someone puts the ball in the net

It's the spirit of sporting fair play v the competitive will to win, sporting spirit should win every time but it doesn't always

what I can't understand is how Bamford blatantly cheats to get another player sent off, doing something so low and despicable that could maybe even affect the players future career, play acting downright cheating to get a fellow professional sent off is a disgrace

that sort of cheating where it is obvious and there is no doubt whatsoever should be 6 months ban minimum
 
there is no place for it in football
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: The Edge on April 28, 2019, 06:25:10 PM
Same old cheating Leeds. New style manager.

Incompetent Assistant Refs.  The first missed the clear offside that would have prevented the controversy and the second assumed an offence that he did not see.  The referee was closer to the incident and clearly in his line of sight, so why he listened to his assistant, is amazing.  Bamford should be banned for blatantly getting a player sent off and that was after he had him in a strangle hold.


Time to rest key players next week.  We have enough squad players that have made appearances this season to bring in so that it would not be seen to be playing a weakened side.  The rule does not say that you always have to play your best side.

Having watched it again, it was the same Assistant in both cases.  How on earth he could have seen the incident when both players had their backs to him (or to be generous, side on).
My thoughts.
It was the same assistant that missed the offside for their goal and got El Ghazi sent off. What an incompetent twat.
I thought our players stood up to their bully boy antics manfully. Bamford should recieve a retrospective ban for his scurrilous antics. Leeds fans yelling like howling banshees at every decision that didn't go their way. Bielsa is bat shit crazy but deserves huge credit for giving us a free goal. If we can overcome the boggies and meet dirty leeds in the final i would fancy our chances. They're not all that. Finally i pray that Deano pulls Jack,SJM and Mings out of the firing line next week.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on April 28, 2019, 06:25:18 PM
Pleased with draw today, advantage Villa if we have to play them again. Bielsa did the decent thing at the time re our goal, but he's the tw-t that sent his players out to intimidate/injure our players when really there was nothing riding on the game. What was that rant for aimed at Terry? His so called sporting behaviour didn't last for long before we saw the real Bielsa again. Their fans are whinging whining moaning cnuts, nothing new there. Our great team spirit came to the fore again. Always proud to be a Villan! UTV!
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: themossman on April 28, 2019, 06:25:27 PM
Agree with that there is a big difference between making the most of it and plain acting to fuck with another player. I doubt much will come if it but that footage will follow him around and he must be ashamed of himself.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: themossman on April 28, 2019, 06:27:00 PM
If we play them in the final it will be like a derby and I fancy us to have a better siege mentality.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Ads on April 28, 2019, 06:29:48 PM
With 11v11 I dont think they got behind us once or caused us any problems of note. I'd fancy us to do them.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: LeeB on April 28, 2019, 06:31:18 PM
Elland road is a shit ground as well.  Three stands that wouldn't look out of place at a League 2 club, and one enormous one.

And those three stands are ancient too.

Proper shithole.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: olaftab on April 28, 2019, 06:33:36 PM
My impression is that some of the Leeds players are cheating arseholes and some aren’t.
You mean like any football team!
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 28, 2019, 06:33:47 PM
Elland road is a shit ground as well.  Three stands that wouldn't look out of place at a League 2 club, and one enormous one.

And those three stands are ancient too.

Proper shithole.

It’s what happens when you go through loads of owners and spend an eternity outside the PL. A warning to us and all teams who can to get back up.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: themossman on April 28, 2019, 06:34:42 PM
With 11v11 I dont think they got behind us once or caused us any problems of note. I'd fancy us to do them.

Tammy and Whelan on the pitch changes the game. TA puts away the chances Kodjia missed all day long and we really missed Whelan’s composure. In particular both Grealish and McGinn has comparatively poor games because they didn’t have him releasing them to operate higher up the pitch.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: LeeB on April 28, 2019, 06:48:33 PM
Elland road is a shit ground as well.  Three stands that wouldn't look out of place at a League 2 club, and one enormous one.

And those three stands are ancient too.

Proper shithole.

It’s what happens when you go through loads of owners and spend an eternity outside the PL. A warning to us and all teams who can to get back up.

Well yes, but those three stands were ancient and shit well before that.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 28, 2019, 06:50:15 PM
If we play them in the final it will be like a derby and I fancy us to have a better siege mentality.

One concern after today is that if we did beat them in the final there could be trouble post match. Probably better if it's Derby from that aspect.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: brontebilly on April 28, 2019, 06:51:44 PM
I thought we were well on top until the madness at end. Messy enough game, Grealish was quiet and McGinn was wild and downright idiotic at times. Also we missed Abraham hugely, Kodjia's legs are gone unfortunately so any direct ball sent up front was easily dealt with. Need to give Davis 90 mins next weekend.

Green didn't make the most of his opportunity, would have left him on mind at the time as we just starting to make an impact. Thought Smith took an unnecessary gamble with his team selection and we nearly paid the price. Mings is the best centre back that has played for us in years. Steer and Elmo very solid. Wasn't overly impressed with Tuanzebe before his woeful efforts for their goal. He needs another game next week. Thought Hourihane did well today too but balance of our midfield isn't right without Whelan.

Steer 7, Elmo 8, Tuanzebe 5, Mings 9, Taylor 6, Hourihane 7, McGinn 5, Grealish 6, Green 5, Kodjia 5, El Ghazi 7.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: themossman on April 28, 2019, 06:58:31 PM
Yeah I don’t think a single long ball stuck with Kodjia today, certainly felt that way.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: john e on April 28, 2019, 07:03:56 PM
I've never rated Kodjia

I accept he can do something amazing every half dozen games but he doesn't offer enough in lots of other areas
ie team play, goals, decision making, he's to greedy, work ethic

I don't think he's a Smith sort of team player and would like to see him moved on in the summer
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: andyh on April 28, 2019, 07:21:33 PM
With 11v11 I dont think they got behind us once or caused us any problems of note. I'd fancy us to do them.

Tammy and Whelan on the pitch changes the game. TA puts away the chances Kodjia missed all day long and we really missed Whelan’s composure. In particular both Grealish and McGinn has comparatively poor games because they didn’t have him releasing them to operate higher up the pitch.
Exactly right re: Whelan freeing up Jack and SJM.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 28, 2019, 07:26:03 PM
Surprised people are suggesting we were poor today.

I thought we played very well - after a long season, a fixture like this at a team who have been fighting for automatic promotion, and I don't think Leeds looked like beating us at all.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 28, 2019, 07:29:24 PM
I’d go along with that. We’ve just won 10 straight to get back into things. Leeds have been solid all season, very good at home and they came into this one the back of a lot of criticism and with something to prove. We were the better team 11 v11 and we will be the better team at full strength should we face them at Wembley. I was really proud of how we fought to the end.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Somniloquism on April 28, 2019, 07:29:27 PM
I've never rated Kodjia

I accept he can do something amazing every half dozen games but he doesn't offer enough in lots of other areas
ie team play, goals, decision making, he's to greedy, work ethic

I don't think he's a Smith sort of team player and would like to see him moved on in the summer

Not even when he scored 19 the first season, most of them from his own skill?

Granted he has not been anywhere near the same player since the long layoff due to the injury and since that I think you are correct in offering anything now but to say you never rated him seems a bit much.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: themossman on April 28, 2019, 07:29:43 PM
I think it was one of those deceptive, open to interpretation games. They had a lot of possession and shots, but somehow without posing any real threat.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Dazvillain on April 28, 2019, 07:37:55 PM
I've never rated Kodjia

I accept he can do something amazing every half dozen games but he doesn't offer enough in lots of other areas
ie team play, goals, decision making, he's to greedy, work ethic

I don't think he's a Smith sort of team player and would like to see him moved on in the summer

Not even when he scored 19 the first season, most of them from his own skill?

Granted he has not been anywhere near the same player since the long layoff due to the injury and since that I think you are correct in offering anything now but to say you never rated him seems a bit much.
I part agree with John too....even when he scored lots of goals he was and still is very greedy, Deans has improved it a little. Out of all of our forwards and wingers he’s the laziest especially tracking back
So I see what John means not Deano’s Sort of player. If we don’t go up, def a few quit to cash in on
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: brontebilly on April 28, 2019, 07:39:05 PM
I think it was one of those deceptive, open to interpretation games. They had a lot of possession and shots, but somehow without posing any real threat.

Thought they got too close to our 18 yard box throughout though. The likes of Grealish and McGinn didn't press much without the ball today and JK obviously doesn't. Mings dealt with pretty much everything in the air. Steer is more than competent at this level too.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Villafirst on April 28, 2019, 07:40:26 PM
I thought we were well on top until the madness at end. Messy enough game, Grealish was quiet and McGinn was wild and downright idiotic at times. Also we missed Abraham hugely, Kodjia's legs are gone unfortunately so any direct ball sent up front was easily dealt with. Need to give Davis 90 mins next weekend.

Green didn't make the most of his opportunity, would have left him on mind at the time as we just starting to make an impact. Thought Smith took an unnecessary gamble with his team selection and we nearly paid the price. Mings is the best centre back that has played for us in years. Steer and Elmo very solid. Wasn't overly impressed with Tuanzebe before his woeful efforts for their goal. He needs another game next week. Thought Hourihane did well today too but balance of our midfield isn't right without Whelan.

Steer 7, Elmo 8, Tuanzebe 5, Mings 9, Taylor 6, Hourihane 7, McGinn 5, Grealish 6, Green 5, Kodjia 5, El Ghazi 7.

Tuanzebe 5?? Commentator: "Mings and Tuanzebe have been simply outstanding today" I don't know what game you were watching?....he deserved an 8
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Dazvillain on April 28, 2019, 07:40:57 PM
Not seen any game live today unfortunately but now seen and heard a few reports and read a lot of this thread.
Looking forward to next week first and thinking about selections, what kind of injuries did Kodja, steer and Mings all pick up ? Is consensus they’ll be ok or def out of next week ?
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Monty on April 28, 2019, 07:42:56 PM
OK there's a lot of bad feeling and we're football fans and all but sorry, Bielsa did a good thing that a lot of people - including many of us - would not have had the balls to do, and the people doubting his sincerity out whatever are I think being more than a little bit Leeds themselves. Let's have some class, say fair play, stop being so begrudging and mean-spirited and just leave it at that.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 28, 2019, 07:43:34 PM
Anyone who has a knock shouldn't play next week.

I accept the FL rule but we can get round that by naming that all on the bench can't we?

So subs bench of Steer, Mings, Whelan Grealish, McGinn, Kodjia and Andrew Greaves.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: john e on April 28, 2019, 07:44:32 PM
I've never rated Kodjia

I accept he can do something amazing every half dozen games but he doesn't offer enough in lots of other areas
ie team play, goals, decision making, he's to greedy, work ethic

I don't think he's a Smith sort of team player and would like to see him moved on in the summer

Not even when he scored 19 the first season, most of them from his own skill?

Granted he has not been anywhere near the same player since the long layoff due to the injury and since that I think you are correct in offering anything now but to say you never rated him seems a bit much.

he’s never been one of my favourite players for the reasons I quoted

that’s not to say I haven’t enjoyed his goals
I celebrate any Villa player scoring
Gestede scored loads in this league, and the few he got for us we’re great but I never rated him as top class
same for Hogan who’s also scored plenty

i don’t hate him I just think we need better if you think he’s good enough that’s fine but my personal opinion is he isn’t
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on April 28, 2019, 07:50:58 PM
Mings landed on Steer, but I'm pretty sure it was an accident... Mings seemed slightly hobbly, but I've a feeling Steer might have done an ankle, he did seem in a bit of bother. Kodjia I reckon did his knee, the kind of nothing that seems to sideline our players for six weeks these days.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: taylorsworkrate on April 28, 2019, 07:53:08 PM
Mings landed on Steer, but I'm pretty sure it was an accident... Mings seemed slightly hobbly, but I've a feeling Steer might have done an ankle, he did seem in a bit of bother. Kodjia I reckon did his knee, the kind of nothing that seems to sideline our players for six weeks these days.

Dean Smith said Kodjia hurt his foot, should be ok.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Dazvillain on April 28, 2019, 07:53:53 PM
Mings landed on Steer, but I'm pretty sure it was an accident... Mings seemed slightly hobbly, but I've a feeling Steer might have done an ankle, he did seem in a bit of bother. Kodjia I reckon did his knee, the kind of nothing that seems to sideline our players for six weeks these days.
Thanks for that...I’ll post my team in pre Norwich thread now
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: KRS on April 28, 2019, 08:17:10 PM
Incompetent Assistant Refs.  The first missed the clear offside that would have prevented the controversy
I've watched it back several times on the different camera angle and I don't think it was offside as Mings was playing Klich on.

What should have prevented the controversy would have been Klich or their LB just knocking the ball out of play instead of being twats.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 28, 2019, 08:24:36 PM
 the decision to stop play is the refs.
The game turned into a farce.
I hope Smith tells them in future let the ref be the ref.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: KRS on April 28, 2019, 08:24:42 PM

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Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Dazvillain on April 28, 2019, 08:25:22 PM
After DS post match interview, I’m not buying all the crap on here about what a good bloke Bielsa is.....if he had suggested it as opposed to DS forcibly suggesting I would have agreed but not now
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Legion on April 28, 2019, 08:25:30 PM
Offside.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: saunders_heroes on April 28, 2019, 08:26:53 PM
Did Davies miss today’s game because of injury?
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Richard E on April 28, 2019, 08:27:22 PM
the decision to stop play is the refs.
The game turned into a farce.
I hope Smith tells them in future let the ref be the ref.


It’s not the playing on, it’s the giving the clear impression you’re going to put it out and then playing on when our players stop.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Risso on April 28, 2019, 08:27:49 PM
Did Davies miss today’s game because of injury?

He was ill according to Dean.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 28, 2019, 08:28:33 PM
Did Davies miss today’s game because of injury?

He missed it because the pub player left us years ago.

Davis was out with illness though.

 :P
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Three Spires Villa on April 28, 2019, 08:28:50 PM
the decision to stop play is the refs.
The game turned into a farce.
I hope Smith tells them in future let the ref be the ref.


It’s not the playing on, it’s the giving the clear impression you’re going to put it out and then playing on when our players stop.

Correct
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Legion on April 28, 2019, 08:29:24 PM
Did Davies miss today’s game because of injury?

He missed it because the pub player left us years ago.

Davis was out with illness though.

 :P

Very curt.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Richard E on April 28, 2019, 08:29:55 PM
Did Davies miss today’s game because of injury?

He missed it because the pub player left us years ago.

Davis was out with illness though.

 :P

Probably picked up an infection from Kieron Clarke, Libor Kovak or Brad Guzman.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: mike on April 28, 2019, 08:32:42 PM
the Bamford thing was the worst thing I saw today

I don't think they were right but I can understand why a striker goes for goal I can understand why a defender doesn't want to stand aside while someone puts the ball in the net

It's the spirit of sporting fair play v the competitive will to win, sporting spirit should win every time but it doesn't always

what I can't understand is how Bamford blatantly cheats to get another player sent off, doing something so low and despicable that could maybe even affect the players future career, play acting downright cheating to get a fellow professional sent off is a disgrace

that sort of cheating where it is obvious and there is no doubt whatsoever should be 6 months ban minimum
 
there is no place for it in football

I agree the full Ron Manager 110%
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: saunders_heroes on April 28, 2019, 08:32:45 PM
Did Davies miss today’s game because of injury?

He missed it because the pub player left us years ago.

Davis was out with illness though.

 :P

Whoops! 🥴

Let’s hope he’s back soon. He’s the sort of player we need to hold up the ball and take pressure off the defence. The ball kept bouncing off Kodjia today.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 28, 2019, 08:45:55 PM
Offside.

If you click on the image, he's clearly onside. Not because of the nearest defender, Tuanzebe, but because of Mings. You can't see him unless you click on it, though.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Clampy on April 28, 2019, 09:04:56 PM
What a feckin palaver that was! I thought the ref did ok in the first half but he made a right mess of what happened in the second. If he had blown for the foul on Kodjia in the first place, all that could have been avoided but then he just lost the plot.

The fact that we've been down to ten men twice in recent games away from home and still picked up points says a lot about the team spirit at the moment. Mings was absolutely immense and I thought both full backs were solid.

Oh and Patrick Bamford really should not leave the house for a few days.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Legion on April 28, 2019, 09:08:57 PM
Bamford's welcome mat at home...

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Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: garyshawsknee on April 28, 2019, 09:11:31 PM
You're right Clampy, it was an obvious foul on Kodjia. Ref was really below par today. Bamford is just like his old man, a massive cnut.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: olaftab on April 28, 2019, 09:34:20 PM
OK there's a lot of bad feeling and we're football fans and all but sorry, Bielsa did a good thing that a lot of people - including many of us - would not have had the balls to do, and the people doubting his sincerity out whatever are I think being more than a little bit Leeds themselves. Let's have some class, say fair play, stop being so begrudging and mean-spirited and just leave it at that.
OK Bielsa took the affirmative action that required balls but ONLY after Smith told him that there was "a resolution" after he came over and apologised. My own view is that it was more of "if you want your goal back you can have it"  effort from him.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Damo70 on April 28, 2019, 09:55:45 PM
the decision to stop play is the refs.
The game turned into a farce.
I hope Smith tells them in future let the ref be the ref.


It’s not the playing on, it’s the giving the clear impression you’re going to put it out and then playing on when our players stop.


Personally I don't think he was 'pulling a fast one'. I think he planned to put it out and in a split second changed his mind.

As for debates as to who was the better team on the day I thought it was fairly even. They had their good and bad moments and we had our good and bad moments.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: themossman on April 28, 2019, 09:57:54 PM
Yep he was about to put it out then he saw Klich in loads of space and though ‘fuck it YOLO’.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 28, 2019, 10:00:31 PM
the decision to stop play is the refs.
The game turned into a farce.
I hope Smith tells them in future let the ref be the ref.


It’s not the playing on, it’s the giving the clear impression you’re going to put it out and then playing on when our players stop.

Correct
I get that, I am talking about the previous incident when we kicked the ball out.
Which set the events in motion.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on April 28, 2019, 10:05:53 PM
OK there's a lot of bad feeling and we're football fans and all but sorry, Bielsa did a good thing that a lot of people - including many of us - would not have had the balls to do, and the people doubting his sincerity out whatever are I think being more than a little bit Leeds themselves. Let's have some class, say fair play, stop being so begrudging and mean-spirited and just leave it at that.
Well said Monty.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Legion on April 28, 2019, 10:12:18 PM
Agreed.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Flamingo Lane on April 28, 2019, 10:18:42 PM

Bamford is a wanker and he better be banned for the next three games, mind.

Or as others have said, please don't ban him.  He's crap.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on April 28, 2019, 10:20:40 PM
There's some Leeds fans chatting serious shit BTL on the Guardian match report.  I know all fans are one-eyed to a certain extent but they're basically arguing that black is white.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on April 28, 2019, 10:21:29 PM

Bamford is a wanker and he better be banned for the next three games, mind.

Or as others have said, please don't ban him.  He's crap.


he just doesn't look like a footballer more squash or badders
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: LeeB on April 28, 2019, 10:22:44 PM
There's some Leeds fans chatting serious shit BTL on the Guardian match report.  I know all fans are one-eyed to a certain extent but they're basically arguing that black is white.

I've to step away from it, I could end up wasting a lot of valuable time and energy.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: brontebilly on April 28, 2019, 10:23:55 PM
I thought we were well on top until the madness at end. Messy enough game, Grealish was quiet and McGinn was wild and downright idiotic at times. Also we missed Abraham hugely, Kodjia's legs are gone unfortunately so any direct ball sent up front was easily dealt with. Need to give Davis 90 mins next weekend.

Green didn't make the most of his opportunity, would have left him on mind at the time as we just starting to make an impact. Thought Smith took an unnecessary gamble with his team selection and we nearly paid the price. Mings is the best centre back that has played for us in years. Steer and Elmo very solid. Wasn't overly impressed with Tuanzebe before his woeful efforts for their goal. He needs another game next week. Thought Hourihane did well today too but balance of our midfield isn't right without Whelan.

Steer 7, Elmo 8, Tuanzebe 5, Mings 9, Taylor 6, Hourihane 7, McGinn 5, Grealish 6, Green 5, Kodjia 5, El Ghazi 7.

Tuanzebe 5?? Commentator: "Mings and Tuanzebe have been simply outstanding today" I don't know what game you were watching?....he deserved an 8

Watch their goal again...and yes I did watch the game
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: mike on April 28, 2019, 10:26:47 PM
There's some Leeds fans chatting serious shit BTL on the Guardian match report.  I know all fans are one-eyed to a certain extent but they're basically arguing that black is white.

I've to step away from it, I could end up wasting a lot of valuable time and energy.

Never, ever read BTL. Does anyone you like and respect bother their arse writing on there. It's for Billy no mates who has no one real to talk to. Says the man contributing to a fan forum... but it's different.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on April 28, 2019, 10:29:09 PM
Never, ever read BTL. Does anyone you like and respect bother their arse writing on there. It's for Billy no mates who has no one real to talk to. Says the man contributing to a fan forum... but it's different.
That goes double for the Telegraph.  Seriously, it makes you doubt your faith in humanity.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 28, 2019, 10:29:34 PM
OK there's a lot of bad feeling and we're football fans and all but sorry, Bielsa did a good thing that a lot of people - including many of us - would not have had the balls to do, and the people doubting his sincerity out whatever are I think being more than a little bit Leeds themselves. Let's have some class, say fair play, stop being so begrudging and mean-spirited and just leave it at that.
Well said Monty.

Spot on.

Bielsa did the right thing.

The biggest incident of shit-housery was the ****** who slowed down and acted like he was putting it out of play, only to roll it down the line to a team mate.

Even the guy who scored has apologised, so I think the gracious thing to do is forget about it.

Bamford, on the other hand, is a different matter entirely.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Somniloquism on April 28, 2019, 10:32:00 PM
I thought we were well on top until the madness at end. Messy enough game, Grealish was quiet and McGinn was wild and downright idiotic at times. Also we missed Abraham hugely, Kodjia's legs are gone unfortunately so any direct ball sent up front was easily dealt with. Need to give Davis 90 mins next weekend.

Green didn't make the most of his opportunity, would have left him on mind at the time as we just starting to make an impact. Thought Smith took an unnecessary gamble with his team selection and we nearly paid the price. Mings is the best centre back that has played for us in years. Steer and Elmo very solid. Wasn't overly impressed with Tuanzebe before his woeful efforts for their goal. He needs another game next week. Thought Hourihane did well today too but balance of our midfield isn't right without Whelan.

Steer 7, Elmo 8, Tuanzebe 5, Mings 9, Taylor 6, Hourihane 7, McGinn 5, Grealish 6, Green 5, Kodjia 5, El Ghazi 7.

Tuanzebe 5?? Commentator: "Mings and Tuanzebe have been simply outstanding today" I don't know what game you were watching?....he deserved an 8

Watch their goal again...and yes I did watch the game

So if it is solely because of the goal, (when most of the players on the pitch bar two in white had stopped playing), why does Elmo get 8? After all he is woefully out of position as well.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Somniloquism on April 28, 2019, 10:34:48 PM
Does anyone know why Bamford was booked? Because if it was for some other incident other then clothes line incident then he could be mightily screwed when the FA review all of the incidents in after the goal including the dive.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: QuintonVilla on April 28, 2019, 10:36:45 PM
Can't wait to smash the dirty bastards at Wembley
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: brontebilly on April 28, 2019, 10:38:47 PM
I've never rated Kodjia

I accept he can do something amazing every half dozen games but he doesn't offer enough in lots of other areas
ie team play, goals, decision making, he's to greedy, work ethic

I don't think he's a Smith sort of team player and would like to see him moved on in the summer

Not even when he scored 19 the first season, most of them from his own skill?

Granted he has not been anywhere near the same player since the long layoff due to the injury and since that I think you are correct in offering anything now but to say you never rated him seems a bit much.
I part agree with John too....even when he scored lots of goals he was and still is very greedy, Deans has improved it a little. Out of all of our forwards and wingers he’s the laziest especially tracking back
So I see what John means not Deano’s Sort of player. If we don’t go up, def a few quit to cash in on

He isn't remotely the same player or athlete he was 2 seasons ago. He was always selfish for sure but he was far more mobile back then. Injury has done him in unfortunately, like it did for JPA and Bent.

Still has a decent forwards instinct in the box but Kodjia needs moving on, no matter what division we are in next season.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: mike on April 28, 2019, 10:41:23 PM
Does anyone know why Bamford was booked? Because if it was for some other incident other then clothes line incident then he could be mightily screwed when the FA review all of the incidents in after the goal including the dive.

I'm presuming he got booked for assaulting El Ghazi, who was then sent off for trying to get out of a headlock. So, yes, second yellow for the cowardly, cheating play acting but doubt whether it will happen.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: andyh on April 28, 2019, 10:48:19 PM
To be honest, we should have played to the whistle because you just cannot trust those cheating, dirty Leeds c***s to do the right thing.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Meanwood Villa on April 28, 2019, 10:50:09 PM
My two penneth:

Never seen anything like that before, crazy times. I must admit my initial view was that their goal was legitimate and it was our fault for switching off and not playing to the whistle. On that basis I was surprised they let us score and it was surreal watching a goal from us which I didn't celebrate!

Having seen the TV footage it certainly looks like it wasn't a simple case of playing on and so the right decision was to give us the goal. Unfortunately the sending off and injury to Kodjia with no back up killed the game for us. Playing Jedinak up front was bizarre. Why not put him in midfield and Albert up top?

Prior to the madness I think we were just better but it was a close run thing. Not many chances for either side really. Bit concerned with Jack today as they targeted him and it seemed to work.

Leeds fans I know are moaning about the ref but I am putting this down to them being paranoid fantasists. If anything he fucked us over by not giving pens for the fouls on Mings and Kodjia and the ridiculous sending off.

Onwards.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: themossman on April 28, 2019, 11:00:02 PM
Re Bielsa the truth is somewhere between the two extremes. He deserves credit, of course, for doing the right thing. But I’m reading a lot of comments from neutrals suggesting he’s some kind of bastion of integrity, which is obviously bollocks. Apart from anything, it’s not unreasonable to think the fact the players went out with a win at all costs mentality, which led to the mad goal, and Jansson/Bamford’s antics, originated with him.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Steve67 on April 28, 2019, 11:09:26 PM
Having calmed down, Villa set the tone by kicking the ball out for Cooper to get treatment as he looked to be in pain when he clashed with Green.  Therefore, whilst, yes, you should always play to the whistle, Leeds owed us one and should have kicked the ball out too when Kodjia went down heavily.

Bamford is a cheat.  We were magnificent in defence today.  Even Taylor, who I struggle to find any positive about, played well.  Going forward, Abraham offers much more that Jimmy.  At least we don't have to go back to Elland Road again if we make the Final.  Those of you saying that Dean picked the wrong side today and should have rested players, sorry, but I strongly disagree.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Des Little on April 28, 2019, 11:20:00 PM
Bamford will forever be known as a cheat from now on. Some legacy.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 28, 2019, 11:28:54 PM
Re Bielsa the truth is somewhere between the two extremes. He deserves credit, of course, for doing the right thing. But I’m reading a lot of comments from neutrals suggesting he’s some kind of bastion of integrity, which is obviously bollocks. Apart from anything, it’s not unreasonable to think the fact the players went out with a win at all costs mentality, which led to the mad goal, and Jansson/Bamford’s antics, originated with him.

Let's not forget he sent his team out to kick the Villa players all over the pitch. There's a reason they're known as Dirty Leeds and nothing I saw today did anything to change that title.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: brontebilly on April 28, 2019, 11:31:35 PM
Re Bielsa the truth is somewhere between the two extremes. He deserves credit, of course, for doing the right thing. But I’m reading a lot of comments from neutrals suggesting he’s some kind of bastion of integrity, which is obviously bollocks. Apart from anything, it’s not unreasonable to think the fact the players went out with a win at all costs mentality, which led to the mad goal, and Jansson/Bamford’s antics, originated with him.

The cynic in me suspects if there was anything riding on the game, Bielsa wouldn't have been as charitable. But still he deserves a huge amount of credit.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 28, 2019, 11:32:04 PM
Re Bielsa the truth is somewhere between the two extremes. He deserves credit, of course, for doing the right thing. But I’m reading a lot of comments from neutrals suggesting he’s some kind of bastion of integrity, which is obviously bollocks. Apart from anything, it’s not unreasonable to think the fact the players went out with a win at all costs mentality, which led to the mad goal, and Jansson/Bamford’s antics, originated with him.

Let's not forget he sent his team out to kick the Villa players all over the pitch. There's a reason they're known as Dirty Leeds and nothing I saw today did anything to change that title.

Precisely. Said the same a few pages back. They were sent out with specific instructions to be aggressive and obviously targeted. Thank you for the goal which was the least he should have done given the other bollocks, fouling and fucking cheating.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: DrGonzo on April 28, 2019, 11:53:34 PM
respect to bielsa and the other 10 leeds players for realising they were wrong. pontus jannson and stuart atwell need to be sacked. el ghazi's red rescinded please!
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: cheltenhamlion on April 28, 2019, 11:59:56 PM
OK there's a lot of bad feeling and we're football fans and all but sorry, Bielsa did a good thing that a lot of people - including many of us - would not have had the balls to do, and the people doubting his sincerity out whatever are I think being more than a little bit Leeds themselves. Let's have some class, say fair play, stop being so begrudging and mean-spirited and just leave it at that.
Well said Monty.

Spot on.

Bielsa did the right thing.

The biggest incident of shit-housery was the c*** who slowed down and acted like he was putting it out of play, only to roll it down the line to a team mate.

Even the guy who scored has apologised, so I think the gracious thing to do is forget about it.

Bamford, on the other hand, is a different matter entirely.

Agreed. Bamford needs dissolving in a vat of my piss.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: KRS on April 29, 2019, 12:08:28 AM
There's some Leeds fans chatting serious shit BTL on the Guardian match report.  I know all fans are one-eyed to a certain extent but they're basically arguing that black is white.

I've to step away from it, I could end up wasting a lot of valuable time and energy.

Never, ever read BTL. Does anyone you like and respect bother their arse writing on there. It's for Billy no mates who has no one real to talk to. Says the man contributing to a fan forum... but it's different.
What's BTL?  ::)
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: D.boy on April 29, 2019, 12:21:48 AM
Bacon Lettuce and Tomato for dyslexics
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Pete3206 on April 29, 2019, 01:01:54 AM
Apart from their knuckle dragging tactics in trying to injure our players, I saw nothing to fear against this lot should we meet them in the final.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 29, 2019, 01:05:29 AM
This game was just the latest chapter in possibly the weirdest 12 months in our history.

Financially well and truly fucked, cabbage, losing to Burton fucking Albion, missing a penalty and it resulting in something positive, 5-5, 3 down with ten to go, Hutton turning into Messi for 30 seconds, Jack's assault, 10 in a row, looking like conceding a goal every time the opposition got the ball and that includes them having a goal kick, twice going a couple of months with relegation form and yet are favourites to win the play-offs.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 29, 2019, 01:58:53 AM
Bielsa did the right thing. All else is speculation.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 29, 2019, 05:41:52 AM
Bacon Lettuce and Tomato for dyslexics
I used to be dyslexic but I am now k.o.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: darren woolley on April 29, 2019, 05:53:10 AM
Like others have said I have never seen a game like it people will definitely now why they are called Dirty Leeds and this game just goes to show it they are a horrible team and club but fair play to Bielsa he realised that it was wrong what had happened.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: sid1964 on April 29, 2019, 06:47:00 AM
So know that we have introduced the "Villa Rule" - does this mean that every time a player goes down injured (or pretending to be) that we have to put the ball out of play?

Looking forward to see what happens against the Albion, when we are attacking and one of their players hits the floor, hopefully we will put the ball out of play, because that is what is now expected of us, lets hope that it does not cost us a chance to get to the play off final.

I assumed that the ref was in charge of the game, my old football club manager (at a good level as well) would have gone mad "you play to the refs whistle"
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: kieron on April 29, 2019, 07:10:50 AM
This game was just the latest chapter in possibly the weirdest 12 months in our history.

Financially well and truly fucked, cabbage, losing to Burton fucking Albion, missing a penalty and it resulting in something positive, 5-5, 3 down with ten to go, Hutton turning into Messi for 30 seconds, Jack's assault, 10 in a row, looking like conceding a goal every time the opposition got the ball and that includes them having a goal kick, twice going a couple of months with relegation form and yet are favourites to win the play-offs.


It's a funny old game.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: mike on April 29, 2019, 07:23:03 AM
So know that we have introduced the "Villa Rule" - does this mean that every time a player goes down injured (or pretending to be) that we have to put the ball out of play?

Looking forward to see what happens against the Albion, when we are attacking and one of their players hits the floor, hopefully we will put the ball out of play, because that is what is now expected of us, lets hope that it does not cost us a chance to get to the play off final.

I assumed that the ref was in charge of the game, my old football club manager (at a good level as well) would have gone mad "you play to the refs whistle"

I don’t think anyone disagrees with that. The point is that their player went to kick it out and then, when our defenders stood still, passed it to his mate. That’s what is cheating.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: ROBBO on April 29, 2019, 07:26:40 AM
The ref controls the game not the players, the play should always be continuous until the ref blows the whistle, this kicking the ball out of play has got ridiculous.
Leeds were successful in that the continual fouling of Grealish led to him having little influence on the game, Bamford should get suspended for what has become a blight on the game, deliberately trying to get an opponent sent off is for me the lowest of the low.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on April 29, 2019, 07:40:30 AM
There’s an awful lot of people on social media and the radio etc saying Leeds did nothing wrong as you should play to the whistle, even blaming us for this.

They obviously didn’t watch the game and understand the context of the situation, mainly that we’d kicked the ball out for them 10 minutes earlier, plus the fact that the Leeds players slowed down so they appeared to be about to kick it out.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: sid1964 on April 29, 2019, 07:47:01 AM
The one thing that I did notice in all the madness, was how much fitter our lot look - Taylor looks as though he has shed some weight

Our pace especially on the counter attack was fantastic.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Meanwood Villa on April 29, 2019, 08:04:27 AM
So know that we have introduced the "Villa Rule" - does this mean that every time a player goes down injured (or pretending to be) that we have to put the ball out of play?

Looking forward to see what happens against the Albion, when we are attacking and one of their players hits the floor, hopefully we will put the ball out of play, because that is what is now expected of us, lets hope that it does not cost us a chance to get to the play off final.

I assumed that the ref was in charge of the game, my old football club manager (at a good level as well) would have gone mad "you play to the refs whistle"

Hadn't really thought of this angle. Perhaps this isn't the latest controversy around kicking the ball out we've seen.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: martyn ellis on April 29, 2019, 08:17:31 AM
The ref controls the game not the players, the play should always be continuous until the ref blows the whistle, this kicking the ball out of play has got ridiculous.
Leeds were successful in that the continual fouling of Grealish led to him having little influence on the game, Bamford should get suspended for what has become a blight on the game, deliberately trying to get an opponent sent off is for me the lowest of the low.

See my post under 'Jack Grealish'.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: AV82EC on April 29, 2019, 08:21:13 AM
Who was the guy co comms on sky yesterday? Even though he was Yorkshire I thought he got his reading of the game spot on.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Richard on April 29, 2019, 08:23:12 AM
Don Goodman ?
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: walsall villain on April 29, 2019, 08:27:38 AM
There’s an awful lot of people on social media and the radio etc saying Leeds did nothing wrong as you should play to the whistle, even blaming us for this.

They obviously didn’t watch the game and understand the context of the situation, mainly that we’d kicked the ball out for them 10 minutes earlier, plus the fact that the Leeds players slowed down so they appeared to be about to kick it out.
You see times when we play on, times when we kick it out. I would like to think we would just play to the whistle from now on to avoid confusion. But that assumes the referee will always recognise when play should be stopped, can you trust them with that?
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Mister E on April 29, 2019, 08:34:39 AM
Having calmed down, Villa set the tone by kicking the ball out for Cooper to get treatment as he looked to be in pain when he clashed with Green.  Therefore, whilst, yes, you should always play to the whistle, Leeds owed us one and should have kicked the ball out too when Kodjia went down heavily.

Bamford is a cheat.  We were magnificent in defence today.  Even Taylor, who I struggle to find any positive about, played well.  Going forward, Abraham offers much more that Jimmy.  At least we don't have to go back to Elland Road again if we make the Final.  Those of you saying that Dean picked the wrong side today and should have rested players, sorry, but I strongly disagree.
Hourihane started, by kicking the ball out in the first half, when we were in a good attacking position on the right.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Dazvillain on April 29, 2019, 08:53:41 AM
This game was just the latest chapter in possibly the weirdest 12 months in our history.

Financially well and truly fucked, cabbage, losing to Burton fucking Albion, missing a penalty and it resulting in something positive, 5-5, 3 down with ten to go, Hutton turning into Messi for 30 seconds, Jack's assault, 10 in a row, looking like conceding a goal every time the opposition got the ball and that includes them having a goal kick, twice going a couple of months with relegation form and yet are favourites to win the play-offs.
I’ll buy the book or dvd.....cue messers wood hall and Bishop !?
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 29, 2019, 09:30:15 AM
In the talk of the not stopping play thing, the thing that sticks in my craw is the ****** who picked up the ball on the wing, slowed down as if to knock it into touch, causing everyone else to do so, only to spot their guy in acres of space and play it to him instead.

It wasn't purely the failure to stop play as a team, it was that particular piece of shit-housery which annoyed me most.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: ironmaidenmania on April 29, 2019, 09:32:22 AM
Can't see this mentioned. I'm deaf and lip read. The linesman clearly says to the ref that number 22 had pulled off two players and thrown them to the floor. That's what he said, nothing about elbowing Bamford. When you watch he doesn't do that so no idea what he thinks he saw. However, having missed that their goal scorer was at least a yard offside it's not totally surprising.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: darren woolley on April 29, 2019, 09:39:56 AM
So know that we have introduced the "Villa Rule" - does this mean that every time a player goes down injured (or pretending to be) that we have to put the ball out of play?

Looking forward to see what happens against the Albion, when we are attacking and one of their players hits the floor, hopefully we will put the ball out of play, because that is what is now expected of us, lets hope that it does not cost us a chance to get to the play off final.

I assumed that the ref was in charge of the game, my old football club manager (at a good level as well) would have gone mad "you play to the refs whistle"

It's not the Villa rule but it's called sportsmanship we kicked it out for one of there players and you would feel in an ideal world your opponent would do the same I understand you play to the refs whistle which is what should happen but but as sportsmen you would think they would repay the compliment.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: XXVilla on April 29, 2019, 09:40:04 AM
In the talk of the not stopping play thing, the thing that sticks in my craw is the c*** who picked up the ball on the wing, slowed down as if to knock it into touch, causing everyone else to do so, only to spot their guy in acres of space and play it to him instead.

It wasn't purely the failure to stop play as a team, it was that particular piece of shit-housery which annoyed me most.

If they had played to the whistle then fair enough. But they didn’t
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: QuintonVilla on April 29, 2019, 09:58:55 AM
If Leeds had carried on playing at full pelt, showed no signs of kicking the ball out and then our players had still stopped playing then we'd have had no arguments. It was the fact that Roberts slowed right down, causing our players to stop as it looked to everyone watching that he was going to knock the ball out of play.

Saw some people saying Leeds won and they beat us if it wasn't for them giving us the goal. What they're failing to realise is they wouldn't have scored if our players hadn't stopped. They didn't look like scoring all afternoon and if anything we looked more dangerous on the counter attack.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 29, 2019, 10:11:50 AM
Having calmed down, Villa set the tone by kicking the ball out for Cooper to get treatment as he looked to be in pain when he clashed with Green.  Therefore, whilst, yes, you should always play to the whistle, Leeds owed us one and should have kicked the ball out too when Kodjia went down heavily.

Bamford is a cheat.  We were magnificent in defence today.  Even Taylor, who I struggle to find any positive about, played well.  Going forward, Abraham offers much more that Jimmy.  At least we don't have to go back to Elland Road again if we make the Final.  Those of you saying that Dean picked the wrong side today and should have rested players, sorry, but I strongly disagree.
Hourihane started, by kicking the ball out in the first half, when we were in a good attacking position on the right.
Which was daft, it’s down to the ref to stop play.
Once the players start deciding, you see what happens;mayhem.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Oscar Arce on April 29, 2019, 10:23:44 AM
It's amazing how the media are portraying Bielsa as some sort of sainted figure who's upheld the integrity of the game when it was clear from what I saw he was persuaded by Smith and Terry to allow us to walk the ball in, and looked extremely agitated to be doing so.
I don't agree with putting the ball out of play at all really, but the facts have also been overlooked by the media, as usual.
Hourihane earlier put the ball out when their player was injured, he even got stick from the Villa fans for doing so.
Then, when Kodija was clearly injured, their player slowed down and indicated he was going to put the ball out, and all our players stopped.
Then he speeds up and plays it to their bloke who, like a twat, carries on and puts the ball in the net.
Dirty Leeds I'm afraid, nothing surprises me with them, all of their players, coached by the saint Bielsa, were leaving a bit on all our players, particularly Grealish, and this is how they play. Can't stand the dirty cheating bastards.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: in exile on April 29, 2019, 10:30:36 AM
Then, when Kodija was clearly injured,

I don't think he was
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: XXVilla on April 29, 2019, 10:36:34 AM
Then, when Kodija was clearly injured,

I don't think he was

He was down. But personally I don’t think play should have stopped just because he was. Was it against Stoke we scored when one of their players was down? Only the ref should stop play.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 29, 2019, 10:43:21 AM
Then, when Kodija was clearly injured,

I don't think he was

He was, that's why he went off injured.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Virgil Caine on April 29, 2019, 11:07:48 AM
I have been asking myself why the Leeds player looked as though he was going to play the ball out and then didn’t - were there instructions from the dugout to play on? On refelection did then Beilsa overrule his coaching staff or perhaps himself when he had a few mad moments to reflect?
I am sure we will be fined for not keeping our players under control- though there is no consistency around this as I can’t remember any action taken against Brentford when players surrounded the referee after the Hourihane penalty call at VP.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Richard E on April 29, 2019, 11:18:06 AM
Can't see this mentioned. I'm deaf and lip read. The linesman clearly says to the ref that number 22 had pulled off two players and thrown them to the floor. That's what he said, nothing about elbowing Bamford. When you watch he doesn't do that so no idea what he thinks he saw. However, having missed that their goal scorer was at least a yard offside it's not totally surprising.

I'm wondering whether it was mistaken identity and he'd seen Hourihane?
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: andyh on April 29, 2019, 11:37:02 AM
What yesterday’s shenanigans proves is that the whole ‘knocking the ball out’ thing has got completely out of control.
The thought that there is some sort of ‘code’ amongst players that they look after each other in the event of an injury is complete bollocks when you consider how snide or downright reckless many of them are when challenging for the ball.

How many 100’s  time across a season has the ball been knocked out only for the ‘injured’ player to be up and running  within seconds?
More to the point, how many times has it been knocked out when there really is a serious injury that the ref or linesman haven’t seen and stopped the game anyway?

Leeds should have knocked it our yesterday, but ONLY because we had done it a few minutes earlier.

In future the rule for everyone should be play to the whistle and don’t expect anything in return if you don’t.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Dazvillain on April 29, 2019, 11:38:36 AM
Whilst we are sorting video evidence to sort out El Ghazi , we may have another issue as reports starting to gather pace re HOURIHANE punching a player as he and jack approached him
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 29, 2019, 11:41:38 AM
Be interesting to see what FA do with that.

Hourihane could certainly be done with a violent conduct charge but wasn't he booked after the melee?

FA rules would then state ref saw and dealt with things so nothing further could happen....unless mistaken identity card is then played.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: olaftab on April 29, 2019, 11:45:06 AM
There 3 key things that happened yesterday and this is how I see it:
1. We kicked the ball out when their captain appeared injured and were in a good attacking position 30 yards from the goal. They didn't do that when our player was in a similar position in THEIR half.
2. Their player, Bamford, shamefully acted to have a fellow professional dismissed from field of play.
3. Bielsa only acted after Smith told him what to do and he was NOT happy about doing it but complied and you can see that from the anger on his face and his outburst at Terry afterwards. He is no upholder of Corinthian spirit.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Des Little on April 29, 2019, 11:47:19 AM
The simple solution to this debacle in future is to let the trainer onto the pitch whilst the game goes on, like they do in rugby.  That way, injured players get treated straight away, and it cuts out the dreadful timewasting when they aren't.  To me it's an absolute no brainer.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 29, 2019, 11:49:27 AM
Whilst we are sorting video evidence to sort out El Ghazi , we may have another issue as reports starting to gather pace re HOURIHANE punching a player as he and jack approached him

Yup, seen the clip. not the cleverest moment of the game. Credit to the Leeds player for not rolling around on the ground. It could be what save Hourihane.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: aldridgeboy on April 29, 2019, 11:49:33 AM
Totally agree. As you say it works perfectly in Rugby.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: in exile on April 29, 2019, 12:08:55 PM
Then, when Kodija was clearly injured,

I don't think he was

He was, that's why he went off injured.

Sorry, but I don't agree
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: danno on April 29, 2019, 12:13:20 PM
Then, when Kodija was clearly injured,

I don't think he was

He was, that's why he went off injured.

Sorry, but I don't agree

Jedinak up front was tactical?
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: in exile on April 29, 2019, 12:14:41 PM
Then, when Kodija was clearly injured,

I don't think he was


He was, that's why he went off injured.

Sorry, but I don't agree

Jedinak up front was tactical?

Don't be silly
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: danno on April 29, 2019, 12:28:49 PM
Then, when Kodija was clearly injured,

I don't think he was


He was, that's why he went off injured.

Sorry, but I don't agree

Jedinak up front was tactical?

Don't be silly

Well? it's either one or the other, Kodja is injured and having no striker on the bench we were forced to use Jedinak.

Kodja wasn't injured but we decided the best thing to do was put Jedinak up front for the last ten minutes.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: in exile on April 29, 2019, 12:33:04 PM
Just take a good look at the replay of the "foul" on Kodjia.
I have watched it maybe 6 times and saw no contact.
My thoughts are Kodjia was withdrawn to defuse the situation, Jedinak was put on the make a nuisance of himself up front and to help out defensively as we were going to be under pressure by having 10 men. 
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: danno on April 29, 2019, 12:35:57 PM
Just take a good look at the replay of the "foul" on Kodjia.
I have watched it maybe 6 times and saw no contact.
My thoughts are Kodjia was withdrawn to defuse the situation, Jedinak was put on the make a nuisance of himself up front and to help out defensively as we were going to be under pressure by having 10 men.

Tactical substitution then ?  ;). You may well be right. Down to ten men he's definitely useful defending hoofs into the box.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on April 29, 2019, 01:11:24 PM
Whether it was via contact or the way he turned, Kodjia picked up a knock in the incident. Smith has said as much since and I don't take him for a liar.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on April 29, 2019, 01:14:17 PM
Just take a good look at the replay of the "foul" on Kodjia.
I have watched it maybe 6 times and saw no contact.
My thoughts are Kodjia was withdrawn to defuse the situation, Jedinak was put on the make a nuisance of himself up front and to help out defensively as we were going to be under pressure by having 10 men.

You seem to be confusing no contact with him not being injured.

If Kodjia wasn't injured then why we'd take him off and stick Jedinak up front i'll never know.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Somniloquism on April 29, 2019, 01:15:54 PM
Whilst we are sorting video evidence to sort out El Ghazi , we may have another issue as reports starting to gather pace re HOURIHANE punching a player as he and jack approached him

There is a twitter link posted here by probably PWS as he had nothing better to do then following thousands to Twitter accounts.  ;)

There was  tap to the stomach. It was nothing and if the player had rolled around after that then El Ghazi deserves his red as the contact was about the same force as he did to Bamford. I know FA's will also punish intent as well and it was stupid in that affect but don't believe it was a Punch as you might think that sounds.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: XXVilla on April 29, 2019, 01:18:33 PM
Of course he was injured. That’s why he lay in a heap for 5 mins and then went off straight down the tunnel. If Smith had wanted to make a tactical substitution he’d have done so without any pretence or subterfuge.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: QuintonVilla on April 29, 2019, 01:26:50 PM
I think El Ghazi will have his red overturned, Hourihane will get a 2 game ban and Bamford will get a 2 game ban.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Flamingo Lane on April 29, 2019, 02:02:52 PM
At the risk of receiving pelters, is it at all possible that Leeds' reluctance to put the ball out of play was in any way influenced by the fact that Kodija is very well known for staying down in a heap after being challenged?  Whether he was genuinely hurt after this particular incident or not.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: olaftab on April 29, 2019, 02:26:29 PM
Just take a good look at the replay of the "foul" on Kodjia.
I have watched it maybe 6 times and saw no contact.
My thoughts are Kodjia was withdrawn to defuse the situation, Jedinak was put on the make a nuisance of himself up front and to help out defensively as we were going to be under pressure by having 10 men. 
Words fail me here and in any case I don't want to get banned.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: olaftab on April 29, 2019, 02:29:15 PM
I think Conor will get banned.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: KRS on April 29, 2019, 02:34:40 PM
I think he will too. He completely lost the plot yesterday with his actions. He was booked for his conduct but they will most likely charge him for the unseen “punch”.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: in exile on April 29, 2019, 02:37:45 PM
Just take a good look at the replay of the "foul" on Kodjia.
I have watched it maybe 6 times and saw no contact.
My thoughts are Kodjia was withdrawn to defuse the situation, Jedinak was put on the make a nuisance of himself up front and to help out defensively as we were going to be under pressure by having 10 men. 
Words fail me here and in any case I don't want to get banned.

Just say it.
I'm big enough to take it if you're big enough to take a bollocking by saying it
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Jon Crofts on April 29, 2019, 02:49:36 PM
I’d have thought we’ll pick up another punishment for failing to control our players as well, so will Leeds, £5k was the fine against the noses, expect it will be doubled or trebled for a second offence.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: andyh on April 29, 2019, 03:01:56 PM
What will be the punishment to the referee and wanker of a linesman who saw something that clearly didn’t happen?
Going down to to 10 men was an obvious disadvantage for no fucking reason whatsoever.
Of course, the answer is nothing.


I don’t like the idea of VAR but when it shows up the officials for being useless ****** then I am all for it.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: KRS on April 29, 2019, 03:10:53 PM
It's only fair and logical that the FA should be able to be charged by clubs for failing to provide competent officials and losing control of a game.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: aj2k77 on April 29, 2019, 03:17:16 PM
Pontus Jansson what a massive prick. I hope we make the play off final and Abrahams destroys the fucking snidey cheat.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Drummond on April 29, 2019, 03:18:15 PM
Bamford 2 match ban for feigning injury that resulted in El Ghazi sending off.
Hourihane 3 match ban for violent conduct.
El Ghazi ban overturned.

That should do it.

Oh and we should just have played on and pressured them into playing the ball out. Play to the whistle, their players just not as nice as ours but the winning mentality of both sides there to see.

I suspect Smith's words to Bielsa were along the lines of 'let us have a goal and we'll go easy on you at Wembley. if you don't. think 1996; I know you've watched it'.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: andyh on April 29, 2019, 03:22:53 PM
Bambi and Hourihane both got yellows after that melee.
Doesn’t that mean that they can’t be punished further as the ref dealt with it?
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Drummond on April 29, 2019, 03:24:24 PM
And fucking hell, if Neil Taylor can't score when he has a free run on goal, then he certainly never will.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 29, 2019, 03:32:40 PM
Klich

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“To be fair I didn’t see him [Kodjia] lying on the ground and I just carried on playing,” Klich explained.

“I was focused on the goal and if I’d seen him, I wouldn’t have done it. But I didn’t see anything and it went crazy after that.

“I scored, they told us we should have kicked the ball out and it all kicked off.

“We let them score and fair enough, it finished 1-1.”

Jansson

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Jansson explained that it was sheer competitiveness that prompted him to disobey Bielsa’s orders.

“I’m a defender, I want to have a clean sheet,” he told the Daily Mirror.

“I work hard for 90 minutes to keep a clean sheet and so to let another team score, for me that’s hard.”
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: andyh on April 29, 2019, 03:36:02 PM
Klich

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“To be fair I didn’t see him [Kodjia] lying on the ground and I just carried on playing,” Klich explained.

“I was focused on the goal and if I’d seen him, I wouldn’t have done it. But I didn’t see anything and it went crazy after that.

“I scored, they told us we should have kicked the ball out and it all kicked off.

“We let them score and fair enough, it finished 1-1.”

Jansson

Quote
Jansson explained that it was sheer competitiveness that prompted him to disobey Bielsa’s orders.

“I’m a defender, I want to have a clean sheet,” he told the Daily Mirror.

“I work hard for 90 minutes to keep a clean sheet and so to let another team score, for me that’s hard.”
In reply to Jannson


Ahhhhhhhh, fucking didums. 🖕
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on April 29, 2019, 03:41:36 PM
I still remember last season’s corresponding fixture when one of our players challenged Jannson around chest height and he started holding his face, feigning contact.

He sees himself as a tough Scandinavian hard man. In reality he’s a snidey shithouse.

Overrated player too.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: baddowvillans on April 29, 2019, 03:46:02 PM
Can anyone clear up for me the issue of whether Klich was offside or not.  I've seen a number of positive assertions that he was but have to admit in all the views I've seen he looks to be played on by I think Mings.  If he was then I guess that means the linesman was also fooled by Roberts apparent intention to put the ball out
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: wittonwarrior on April 29, 2019, 03:50:24 PM
I think El Ghazi will have his red overturned, Hourihane will get a 2 game ban and Bamford will get a 2 game ban.

Both got booked so perhaps  nothing further will happen
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: KRS on April 29, 2019, 03:51:45 PM
Posted a pic on here yesterday and it looks like Klich was played onside by Mings.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: baddowvillans on April 29, 2019, 03:53:04 PM
Just take a good look at the replay of the "foul" on Kodjia.
I have watched it maybe 6 times and saw no contact.
My thoughts are Kodjia was withdrawn to defuse the situation, Jedinak was put on the make a nuisance of himself up front and to help out defensively as we were going to be under pressure by having 10 men. 
Words fail me here and in any case I don't want to get banned.

Just say it.
I'm big enough to take it if you're big enough to take a bollocking by saying it

I get that you believe that Kodja wasn't injured but I don't understand.- other than that - what is the point you are trying to make?  Are you saying he went down because he sensed that Leeds were going to break from their own half with such purpose we're sure to score so he took one for the team? Serious question.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: baddowvillans on April 29, 2019, 03:54:02 PM
Posted a pic on here yesterday and it looks like Klich was played onside by Mings.


That's was the one I was referring to so just wondered if there are different views?
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on April 29, 2019, 03:55:43 PM
I just want Axel and Mings at the back for us for along time but I cant see it  :(
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: TheTimVilla on April 29, 2019, 03:58:35 PM
Just take a good look at the replay of the "foul" on Kodjia.
I have watched it maybe 6 times and saw no contact.
My thoughts are Kodjia was withdrawn to defuse the situation, Jedinak was put on the make a nuisance of himself up front and to help out defensively as we were going to be under pressure by having 10 men.

You seem to be confusing no contact with him not being injured.

If Kodjia wasn't injured then why we'd take him off and stick Jedinak up front i'll never know.

He already told you! To defuse the situation, of course. Imagine how much worse it would have been if he had stayed on the pitch ,o)
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 29, 2019, 03:58:35 PM
He looks onside to me, the pic KRS posted

(https://i.ibb.co/kynsmhX/C553-C960-FA85-4-A9-D-9-FCA-CE4490-EE75-EC.png)

Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 29, 2019, 04:17:11 PM
Looks marginally offside to me.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: maidstonevillain on April 29, 2019, 04:39:49 PM
Can anyone clear up for me the issue of whether Klich was offside or not.  I've seen a number of positive assertions that he was but have to admit in all the views I've seen he looks to be played on by I think Mings.  If he was then I guess that means the linesman was also fooled by Roberts apparent intention to put the ball out

From the clip I saw, when the ball was played to him you could not see the positions of all the relevant players. By the time you could see them all, he was in an offside position. But it looked to me as if he would have run from an onside postion at the moment the ball was played to him. If that makes sense.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: john2710 on April 29, 2019, 04:42:16 PM
Regarding the Hourihane 'punch', I can't see that as a punch, more like a shove. He was booked for his original reaction.
Bamford was booked for dragging El Ghazi by the throat, he wasn't booked for feigning injury. If he was then El Ghazi would not have been sent off. had Hourihane by the throat.

I see Noel Whelan & Danny Murphy think Hourihane is a disgrace but don't mention Bamford. Murphy is a cnut.

Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on April 29, 2019, 05:12:46 PM
What if this had happened in the play off final ?
£160-£200 million has just been put in your hands, 20-25 minutes from now you can keep it if you don't make any slip ups.
Would Leeds, us or anybody still do the 'sporting thing` ? 
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: exigo on April 29, 2019, 05:17:40 PM
What if this had happened in the play off final ?
£160-£200 million has just been put in your hands, 20-25 minutes from now you can keep it if you don't make any slip ups.
Would Leeds, us or anybody still do the 'sporting thing` ? 


I would imagine every referee from now until the Wembley final will be telling the teams that he will take control of the situation, and that teams should play to the whistle until that point.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: baddowvillans on April 29, 2019, 05:19:23 PM
I think our situation will make a lot of managers think about putting the ball out. I know there were comments earlier that we would now have to be whiter than white but I disagree. For me now the baton has to go to the referee and we keep playing until he decides otherwise.  Relying on "fair play" doesn't pay as we were made to play with 10 men in a game we were certainly capable of winning.  One for the league and referees to look at I think
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on April 29, 2019, 05:34:45 PM
I hate it. In my head, di Canio collected that ball and rolled it into an empty net. It's gone too far now. You want it put out, win it back and do it yourself.

That said, given the current state of "understanding", I'd say we were right to put it out, as their bloke was down in a place where he was in the way of and affecting the passage of play, and (grabs helmet) Leeds didn't need to, as Kodjia was 40 yards away and making little to no difference to play at that moment.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 29, 2019, 05:38:54 PM
As has probably been said, it isn't that they played on, which while not being sporting they were fully entitled to do. It's that they faked slowing down and putting it out and then played on. There isn't a club in the world that wouldn't have been livid after the opposition pulled a stunt like that.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Smoke on April 29, 2019, 05:47:29 PM
As has probably been said, it isn't that they played on, which while not being sporting they were fully entitled to do. It's that they faked slowing down and putting it out and then played on. There isn't a club in the world that wouldn't have been livid after the opposition pulled a stunt like that.

Ex fucking actly

It's the deception of looking like you are going to kick the ball out and then carrying on again that's the problem not them playing on.

That was a mistake and Leeds knew it hence letting us walk the goal in. That's fine. Done and dealt with as far as I'm concerned.


Bamford on the other hand I'm still livid about what an absolute cock womble, should be banned for 6 games. There is no defence for it.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: adrenachrome on April 29, 2019, 06:00:58 PM
Torygraph (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/04/29/patrick-bamford-facing-two-match-suspension-leeds-await-fa-verdict/)

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Patrick Bamford facing two-match suspension as Leeds await FA verdict which could rule striker out of play-off first leg


John Percy

29 April 2019 • 5:44pm




Patrick Bamford is facing a two-match ban for simulation, which could rule the Leeds striker out of the first leg of the play-offs.

Bamford will discover in the next 48 hours whether he will be charged by the Football Association with ‘successful deception of a match official’, following the stormy Championship clash with Aston Villa on Sunday.

The £7m signing appeared to fall theatrically after a confrontation with Villa winger Anwar El Ghazi, with television replays showing there was no contact.

El Ghazi was sent off by referee Stuart Attwell and Villa officials have appealed against the decision, sending video evidence to the FA on Monday.

Bamford is now facing an anxious wait as the FA review Attwell’s report, with a two-match ban the likely punishment if found guilty. That suspension would rule Bamford out of the final game of the season away at Ipswich and the first leg of the play-offs.



The FA can take retrospective disciplinary action in situations when a referee has been deceived, and as a direct result, the opponents have suffered the dismissal of a player.

The incident will then go before an independent three-man panel to decide whether a charge is brought.

Earlier this season, West Brom striker Dwight Gayle was suspended for two games after accepting a charge of diving for a penalty against Nottingham Forest.

Bamford’s clash with El Ghazi happened shortly after Leeds controversially took the lead, when Mateusz Klich scored instead of playing the ball out when Jonathan Kodjia was down injured.

A further incident being examined could be an alleged punch by Villa midfielder Conor Hourihane on Klich after the goal.

Hourihane was booked by  Attwell, though it was unclear whether that particular incident had been spotted by the officials.

Marcelo Bielsa, the Leeds manager, then instructed his players to allow Villa to score at the other end.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 29, 2019, 06:01:26 PM
I think Conor will get banned.

well Danny kunt Murphy is trying his best to get him banned
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: KRS on April 29, 2019, 06:01:53 PM
If our players hadn't been pressured by Leeds players to put the ball out for their player being down then this whole scenario most likely wouldn't have happened in the first place...when Kodjia went down, our players simply expected the same courtesy as a gesture of reciprocated sportsmanship.

I would expect the FA to make a statement at the same time as any retrospective charges with regards to reminding teams about the rules of playing to the referees whistle when a player is down injured. The FA need to make these rules clear and remove any grey areas, and enforce that the responsibility is in the hands of the officials.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 29, 2019, 06:05:11 PM
Bamford is shit . Him getting banned will probably help them.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: paul_e on April 29, 2019, 06:06:19 PM
For anyone who thinks there's no contact on Kodjia all i can say is that you're looking at the wrong foot. The defender does get there first but his trailing leg makes clear contact with JK on the calf/back of the knee and seems to knock him off his stride so he lands funny as well. For me it says everything that their nearest player goes over to see if he's ok as they're playing on, that shows it was him faking anything.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: KRS on April 29, 2019, 06:08:00 PM
Isn't Roofe supposed to be even worse and is currently injured? They could struggle against Derby if Bamford is suspended, and Roofe returning from injury.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: KRS on April 29, 2019, 06:09:22 PM
For anyone who thinks there's no contact on Kodjia all i can say is that you're looking at the wrong foot. The defender does get there first but his trailing leg makes clear contact with JK on the calf/back of the knee and seems to knock him off his stride so he lands funny as well. For me it says everything that their nearest player goes over to see if he's ok as they're playing on, that shows it was him faking anything.
Agree. It was a blatant penalty from the other camera angle...their player literally wiped him out and just about touched the ball on the follow through.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: paul_e on April 29, 2019, 06:22:07 PM
For anyone who thinks there's no contact on Kodjia all i can say is that you're looking at the wrong foot. The defender does get there first but his trailing leg makes clear contact with JK on the calf/back of the knee and seems to knock him off his stride so he lands funny as well. For me it says everything that their nearest player goes over to see if he's ok as they're playing on, that shows it was him faking anything.
Agree. It was a blatant penalty from the other camera angle...their player literally wiped him out and just about touched the ball on the follow through.

I'm not on about the penalty, incident, if anything thinks that was anything other than stonewall then they're either visually impaired or biased.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: KRS on April 29, 2019, 06:26:48 PM
Oh ok..and I agree again. I.haven’t seen that challenge from a different angle but can’t imagine Kodjia staying down for so long and going off injured if there wasn’t any contact.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: dave shelley on April 29, 2019, 06:35:32 PM
As has probably been said, it isn't that they played on, which while not being sporting they were fully entitled to do. It's that they faked slowing down and putting it out and then played on. There isn't a club in the world that wouldn't have been livid after the opposition pulled a stunt like that.


And there you have it.  As I have stated before, there are seventeen laws of Association Football all written down for us.  There is also an unwritten eighteenth law and that is: 'Not playing within the spirit of the laws' and that is exactly what happened yesterday.  Seeking to gain an unfair advantage whilst not playing within the spirit of the laws is what I would have written on the report form to the FA after giving him a yellow card for Ungentlemanly Conduct.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Legion on April 29, 2019, 06:40:18 PM
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Nev on April 29, 2019, 06:56:52 PM
I thought a rule was bought in some years ago that the Ref was the only one who could stop the game in the event of an injury?
Either way I was pretty miffed when Conor put it out 'cos we were in an attacking position and they wellied it back to Steer. It was the act of feigning to put the ball out that lead to all this shit, nothing else and all these know it all's parroting "play to the whistle" would all have stopped as well.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on April 29, 2019, 07:50:39 PM
Isn't Roofe supposed to be even worse and is currently injured? They could struggle against Derby if Bamford is suspended, and Roofe returning from injury.

If they struggle against Ipswich first, they won’t be playing Derby in the semi, they’ll be playing us!
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Risso on April 29, 2019, 07:57:11 PM
I thought a rule was bought in some years ago that the Ref was the only one who could stop the game in the event of an injury?
Either way I was pretty miffed when Conor put it out 'cos we were in an attacking position and they wellied it back to Steer. It was the act of feigning to put the ball out that lead to all this shit, nothing else and all these know it all's parroting "play to the whistle" would all have stopped as well.

The ref is the only one who can stop the play, but obviously if he hasn't, then the opposing team can kick the ball out for a throw in, after which normal etiquette is to punt it back to the goalie.  I would normally wholly endorse playing to the whistle, but yesterday the problem occurred because it looked like they had stopped play and were going to knock it out for a throw in, before actually playing a man in when our defenders were standing around. 
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Somniloquism on April 29, 2019, 07:58:49 PM
I thought a rule was bought in some years ago that the Ref was the only one who could stop the game in the event of an injury?
Either way I was pretty miffed when Conor put it out 'cos we were in an attacking position and they wellied it back to Steer. It was the act of feigning to put the ball out that lead to all this shit, nothing else and all these know it all's parroting "play to the whistle" would all have stopped as well.

No, anyone could stop the game by kicking it out of touch. They brought in the ref to stop it for serious injuries as before then it could only be stopped by the ball going out of play. They do for serious or head injuries due to some very close calls etc in the past.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Richard E on April 29, 2019, 08:02:21 PM
Isn't Roofe supposed to be even worse and is currently injured? They could struggle against Derby if Bamford is suspended, and Roofe returning from injury.

If they struggle against Ipswich first, they won’t be playing Derby in the semi, they’ll be playing us!

Even if the entire Leeds squad are suspended, or they go to Norwich by mistake, they’ll still beat Paul Lambert’s Ipswich.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Damo70 on April 29, 2019, 09:55:50 PM
Regarding the Hourihane 'punch', I can't see that as a punch, more like a shove. He was booked for his original reaction.
Bamford was booked for dragging El Ghazi by the throat, he wasn't booked for feigning injury. If he was then El Ghazi would not have been sent off. had Hourihane by the throat.

I see Noel Whelan & Danny Murphy think Hourihane is a disgrace but don't mention Bamford. Murphy is a cnut.

I tend to agree with a lot that Danny Murphy says. He is very blunt but it usually makes sense as opposed to a Robbie Savage style attention seeking rant. As for Noel Whelan, one of the best football books I have read is 'Staying Up- A Fan Behind The Scenes' by Rick Gekoski following a season at Coventry in the late nineties and Noel Whelan comes across as a dopey twat.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 29, 2019, 10:03:17 PM
New footage has emerged on the assault on Bamford yesterday

https://twitter.com/samdixon013/status/1122865083556749319?s=12
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Damo70 on April 29, 2019, 10:15:52 PM
I thought a rule was bought in some years ago that the Ref was the only one who could stop the game in the event of an injury?
Either way I was pretty miffed when Conor put it out 'cos we were in an attacking position and they wellied it back to Steer. It was the act of feigning to put the ball out that lead to all this shit, nothing else and all these know it all's parroting "play to the whistle" would all have stopped as well.

Personally I don't think he feigned putting the ball out. My take on it was that he was originally going to put the ball out and then changed his mind and chose to play on.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: baddowvillans on April 29, 2019, 10:24:36 PM
I agree with you Damo.  In my head he had actually set to play it out but when you watch it it simply looks that way and perhaps he hears a shout from Klich but something changes his might - maybe instruction from his own bench and he plays the pass.  Either way, the effect is the same
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: themossman on April 29, 2019, 11:19:01 PM
I thought a rule was bought in some years ago that the Ref was the only one who could stop the game in the event of an injury?
Either way I was pretty miffed when Conor put it out 'cos we were in an attacking position and they wellied it back to Steer. It was the act of feigning to put the ball out that lead to all this shit, nothing else and all these know it all's parroting "play to the whistle" would all have stopped as well.

Personally I don't think he feigned putting the ball out. My take on it was that he was originally going to put the ball out and then changed his mind and chose to play on.

Yep he was gonna put it out till he saw his team mate beating the offside trap.

He’s the gentleman ******.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: cdward on April 29, 2019, 11:59:10 PM
Looking at it again, the player who receives the ball before passing it to Klich, makes a hand gesture as he receives the ball as if to acknowledge that our player is down, he then slows to a walking pace and makes the hand gesture again to the Villa players near to him, to again acknowledge he will be putting it out. Excaept he then passes it down the line.
Giving him the benefit of doubt, maybe he was intending to pass it further up field for Klich to put it out.
Anyway it's all done now, and Jannson is a prick, IIRC didn't he put Grealish out of the game in our first season in this league.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: KRS on April 30, 2019, 12:04:09 AM
Isn't Roofe supposed to be even worse and is currently injured? They could struggle against Derby if Bamford is suspended, and Roofe returning from injury.

If they struggle against Ipswich first, they won’t be playing Derby in the semi, they’ll be playing us!
I can't see Leeds losing to Ipswich and Baggies beating Derby...so barring some kind of divine intervention, I can't see Leeds not finishing 3rd.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: KRS on April 30, 2019, 12:08:53 AM
New footage has emerged on the assault on Bamford yesterday

https://twitter.com/samdixon013/status/1122865083556749319?s=12
Quality! :D
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: brontebilly on April 30, 2019, 12:15:49 AM
Bamford is shit . Him getting banned will probably help them.

Mings bullied him but he is far from crap. Technically he is very accomplished. Some quality goals this season with Leeds since coming back from injury.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Pat McMahon on April 30, 2019, 12:26:01 AM
I thought a rule was bought in some years ago that the Ref was the only one who could stop the game in the event of an injury?
Either way I was pretty miffed when Conor put it out 'cos we were in an attacking position and they wellied it back to Steer. It was the act of feigning to put the ball out that lead to all this shit, nothing else and all these know it all's parroting "play to the whistle" would all have stopped as well.

The ref is the only one who can stop the play, but obviously if he hasn't, then the opposing team can kick the ball out for a throw in, after which normal etiquette is to punt it back to the goalie.  I would normally wholly endorse playing to the whistle, but yesterday the problem occurred because it looked like they had stopped play and were going to knock it out for a throw in, before actually playing a man in when our defenders were standing around. 
I thought a rule was bought in some years ago that the Ref was the only one who could stop the game in the event of an injury?
Either way I was pretty miffed when Conor put it out 'cos we were in an attacking position and they wellied it back to Steer. It was the act of feigning to put the ball out that lead to all this shit, nothing else and all these know it all's parroting "play to the whistle" would all have stopped as well.

The ref is the only one who can stop the play, but obviously if he hasn't, then the opposing team can kick the ball out for a throw in, after which normal etiquette is to punt it back to the goalie.  I would normally wholly endorse playing to the whistle, but yesterday the problem occurred because it looked like they had stopped play and were going to knock it out for a throw in, before actually playing a man in when our defenders were standing around. 

Risso, what was the reaction of the Leeds fans around you? Were they just chuffed at the goal or were there some misgivings?
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on April 30, 2019, 09:51:24 AM
Isn't Roofe supposed to be even worse and is currently injured? They could struggle against Derby if Bamford is suspended, and Roofe returning from injury.

If they struggle against Ipswich first, they won’t be playing Derby in the semi, they’ll be playing us!

Even if the entire Leeds squad are suspended, or they go to Norwich by mistake, they’ll still beat Paul Lambert’s Ipswich.

Fair point, well made.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: martyn ellis on April 30, 2019, 12:28:11 PM
New footage has emerged on the assault on Bamford yesterday

https://twitter.com/samdixon013/status/1122865083556749319?s=12
Quality! :D
Except in a Twitter post a Leeds fan sent me, the first video is called 'Jack Gerlish' (deliberate, or can he just not spell?)
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Des Little on April 30, 2019, 12:59:18 PM
I've always hated Leeds, however their fans' reaction to this whole face has surprised me.  They really are bigoted, twisted buffoons - no depth is too low for many of this lot.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: ktvillan on April 30, 2019, 01:51:10 PM
Leeds fans seem to see their unfounded accusations of Grealish of diving as the most important thing and as a means of justifying everything that went on afterwards.  Even ignoring the fact that Grealish was properly clobbered and could have been badly injured, it's a twisted kind of logic to say the least. The wankers.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Exeter 77 on April 30, 2019, 02:13:57 PM
More alternative footage from Sunday.

https://twitter.com/SubbuteoOnline/status/1122588165854957574?s=19
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Jon Crofts on April 30, 2019, 02:23:18 PM
Red card rescinded. No action against hot lips.

Source Daily Torygraph.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Pat McMahon on April 30, 2019, 02:42:30 PM
Red card rescinded. No action against hot lips.

Source Daily Torygraph.

Good to hear.

Any action against Bamford?
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 30, 2019, 02:56:21 PM
Bamford is shit . Him getting banned will probably help them.



Mings bullied him but he is far from crap. Technically he is very accomplished. Some quality goals this season with Leeds since coming back from injury.

my palace supporting father in law siad he is :)   probably a different level thou
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Jon Crofts on April 30, 2019, 03:26:55 PM
Red card rescinded. No action against hot lips.

Source Daily Torygraph.

Good to hear.

Any action against Bamford?

Maybe more to this as the item has been deleted and John Percy has deleted his tweet, could be waiting for news on Powderpuff Bamford for the full story.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: olaftab on April 30, 2019, 03:52:25 PM
JCB man will be referred to a panel by the FA and the panel hearing may not be held till next week. That is if any action is taken.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: KRS on April 30, 2019, 03:57:16 PM
More alternative footage from Sunday.

https://twitter.com/SubbuteoOnline/status/1122588165854957574?s=19
Quality with Bamford rolling around! :D ...still don't get why other fans are constantly criticising Jack for going down when he's constantly fouled all the time though.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: KRS on April 30, 2019, 04:00:07 PM
JCB man will be referred to a panel by the FA and the panel hearing may not be held till next week. That is if any action is taken.
Makes sense...they said yesterday that any decision on Bamford would be referred to an independent panel if the red card was rescinded so would take a few days for that to be organised rather than on the same day.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on April 30, 2019, 04:03:29 PM
I don't see the decision reported anywhere. Link?
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Walmley_Villa on April 30, 2019, 04:36:53 PM
From the FA Site:

"Anwar El Ghazi will be available for Aston Villa’s next three matches after a claim of wrongful dismissal was upheld by an Independent Regulatory Commission. The forward was sent off for violent conduct during the EFL Championship fixture against Leeds United on Sunday [28/04/2019].

Patrick Bamford has subsequently been charged with ‘successful deception of a match official’. It is alleged the Leeds United player’s behaviour in the 72nd minute of the fixture, which involved committing a clear act of simulation that led to Anwar El Ghazi being dismissed, amounts to improper conduct. The forward has until 18:00 on Wednesday [01/05/2019] to respond to the charge.   

In addition, Leeds United and Aston Villa have been charged with a breach of FA Rule E20. It is alleged they failed to ensure their players conducted themselves in an orderly fashion during the 72nd minute of the fixture. Both clubs have until 18:00 on Friday [03/05/2019] to provide a response."
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Mister E on April 30, 2019, 04:40:56 PM
The Leeds fans are obsessed with their own sense of rectitude, blaming Hourihane (for piling in), Grealish (he dived all day) and Kodjia (he wasn't fouled, and in fact tried to foul Cooper) in equal measure.
Farcical.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Jon Crofts on April 30, 2019, 04:44:12 PM
The Leeds fans are obsessed with their own sense of rectitude, blaming Hourihane (for piling in), Grealish (he dived all day) and Kodjia (he wasn't fouled, and in fact tried to foul Cooper) in equal measure.
Farcical.

C**tical.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: mallo on April 30, 2019, 04:44:59 PM
Oh the Karma - Leeds lose Bamford and lose to Derby whilst putting 3 of their players out of action for the final.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: simon ward 50 on April 30, 2019, 04:49:21 PM
Leeds fans suddenly gone very quiet!
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on April 30, 2019, 04:51:20 PM
That is a beautiful thing altogether. Have to say I'm very surprised Conor has escaped any further punishment but assume it's because he was carded?
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Stu on April 30, 2019, 07:08:04 PM
The Leeds fans posting on the Graun article about Bielsa are absolutely mental. Not accepting that Kodjia was injured, despite him going off injured to be replaced by Jedinak - nope, this was a face-saving substitution from Villa. Full of conspiracy theories and accusing Villa and Grealish in particular at diving everywhere. The only reason they're not defending Bamford is because he was caught shithousing on camera.

Absolute fucking maniacs.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: themossman on April 30, 2019, 07:09:39 PM
They’ve lost the plot and it’s hilarious. I predict they will continue to implode in hilarious fashion in the semis.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: LeeB on April 30, 2019, 07:18:58 PM
The Leeds fans posting on the Graun article about Bielsa are absolutely mental. Not accepting that Kodjia was injured, despite him going off injured to be replaced by Jedinak - nope, this was a face-saving substitution from Villa. Full of conspiracy theories and accusing Villa and Grealish in particular at diving everywhere. The only reason they're not defending Bamford is because he was caught shithousing on camera.

Absolute fucking maniacs.

It's a full on tin hat brigade.

But, as I did point out to one of them, it's not that surprising when they claim to have won a trophy when they lost 2-0.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Legion on April 30, 2019, 07:25:55 PM
The Leeds fans are obsessed with their own sense of rectitude, blaming Hourihane (for piling in), Grealish (he dived all day) and Kodjia (he wasn't fouled, and in fact tried to foul Cooper) in equal measure.
Farcical.

It's all I've heard on the school run twice a day from a very bitter Leeds fan who now absolutely hates Villa as it is all our fault for not playing to the whistle and reacting in that manner. Plus Hourihane was forced to kick the ball out of play previously as he had no other option available.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Stu on April 30, 2019, 07:47:02 PM
I think they thought they could intimidate us and take the piss. Blew up in their faces big time.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on April 30, 2019, 07:53:01 PM
Plus Hourihane was forced to kick the ball out of play previously as he had no other option available.
To be fair, that's basically the same argument some on here have been making about why Bielsa let us have a goal back.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: danno on April 30, 2019, 07:55:00 PM
For anybody clinging to the play to the whistle defence, consider how many matches that have been played since the Overmars goal and how many incidents there have been like last Sunday.

Kicking the ball out for the opposition happens pretty much every game and is reciprocated in kind with minimal fuss, time and again.

So basically f*ck off Leeds.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 30, 2019, 07:57:12 PM
It’s not the fact they didn’t kick it out for me, it’s that Roberts clearly stopped and indicated he was kicking it out that was out of order.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: RichardBatchelor on April 30, 2019, 08:02:13 PM
All my mates who are neutral think it was bloody hilarious farce. They’re right. We need to stop the high-horsery and Leeds fans DEFINITELY need to stop the high-horsery because, Conor’s throat grab aside, they don’t have much ammunition.

What confuses me most of all is why both sides were so worked up for an essentially dead rubber.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 30, 2019, 08:05:32 PM
All my mates who are neutral think it was bloody hilarious farce. They’re right. We need to stop the high-horsery and Leeds fans DEFINITELY need to stop the high-horsery because, Conor’s throat grab aside, they don’t have much ammunition.

What confuses me most of all is why both sides were so worked up for an essentially dead rubber.

I thought that. I guess both sides probably felt that it was a preview of the final so didn't want to give the other an edge. Now, if it is the final, it'll be all edge.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: dave shelley on April 30, 2019, 08:59:00 PM
For all those supporters of other clubs' that reckon Jack Grealish is a diver, I suggest they Youtube a certain Francis Lee.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Somniloquism on April 30, 2019, 10:30:37 PM
All my mates who are neutral think it was bloody hilarious farce. They’re right. We need to stop the high-horsery and Leeds fans DEFINITELY need to stop the high-horsery because, Conor’s throat grab aside, they don’t have much ammunition.

What confuses me most of all is why both sides were so worked up for an essentially dead rubber.

On the final result it was a dead rubber, however we still had a chance of getting fourth which could be advantageous in the playoffs, Leeds pretty much needed a miracle though to do anything which is why Bielsa was probably more receptive to allowing a goal to "even" it up again even though we were down to 10. I'm hoping it is Derby in the final if we do get through simply because Smith seems to have the beating of Lampard at the moment.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Rigadon on April 30, 2019, 10:36:51 PM
There is plenty of needle between the teams over the past couple of seasons, and given its possible we will again meet in the play-offs... that is where the worked-up-ness coms from.  Plus, well, it's dirt Leeds isn't it.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: olaftab on April 30, 2019, 10:42:59 PM
That is a beautiful thing altogether. Have to say I'm very surprised Conor has escaped any further punishment but assume it's because he was carded?
No mate it’s because he is from County Cork they are born lucky there.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Pete3206 on April 30, 2019, 10:49:15 PM
All my mates who are neutral think it was bloody hilarious farce. They’re right. We need to stop the high-horsery and Leeds fans DEFINITELY need to stop the high-horsery because, Conor’s throat grab aside, they don’t have much ammunition.

What confuses me most of all is why both sides were so worked up for an essentially dead rubber.

Watch Tyrone's interview after the game. There is no dead rubber for players like this and you could tell he loved every minute of it.

I also respect Pontus Jansson for his 'you have got to be fucking joking' moment. It may not be right, but he wanted to win.

It was a full blooded, committed, game of footy.

These next few weeks are going to be amazing.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Drummond on May 01, 2019, 10:18:21 AM
'Dead Rubber'? They still had mathematical chance of auto. They don't want to finish 4th. They have Bielsa on charge. We were on a record winning streak, we didn't want to lose or draw and had potential of 4th ourselves.

These are the two biggest clubs in the division, playing at the end of the season, in a not-unlikely rehearsal for a play-off encounter.

I love the fact that our players reacted like they did. For once we have a united team, squad, coaching staff, staff and supporters. We're on the way back and the drive is there for all to see.

Love it.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Mister E on May 01, 2019, 10:27:32 AM
All my mates who are neutral think it was bloody hilarious farce. They’re right. We need to stop the high-horsery and Leeds fans DEFINITELY need to stop the high-horsery because, Conor’s throat grab aside, they don’t have much ammunition.

What confuses me most of all is why both sides were so worked up for an essentially dead rubber.

Watch Tyrone's interview after the game. There is no dead rubber for players like this and you could tell he loved every minute of it.

I also respect Pontus Jansson for his 'you have got to be fucking joking' moment. It may not be right, but he wanted to win.

It was a full blooded, committed, game of footy.

These next few weeks are going to be amazing.

I rate Jansson; and he always seems to do well against us.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: auntiesledd on May 01, 2019, 10:54:18 AM
The Leeds fans are obsessed with their own sense of rectitude, blaming Hourihane (for piling in), Grealish (he dived all day) and Kodjia (he wasn't fouled, and in fact tried to foul Cooper) in equal measure.
Farcical.

C**tical.

In my mind, L***s support has been like this for as long as I care to remember. It's just that their latest promotion blow-up has made them ever-more embittered & self-righteous. Bless.  ::)

As an aside, I've been wondering if Hourihane being so fired-up on Satdi had anything to do with him being a former Barnsley player? When it comes to Yaaarkshire football, 'The Clown Analogy' seems highly pertinent ie There's Leeds - & then everybody who hates Leeds.

Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: simon ward 50 on May 01, 2019, 10:57:27 AM
That is a beautiful thing altogether. Have to say I'm very surprised Conor has escaped any further punishment but assume it's because he was carded?

The local press were saying it wasn't fair that Hourihane escaped punishment. Embarrassing themselves as usual!
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Pat McMahon on May 01, 2019, 11:11:55 PM
I showed it to a mate at work today  an£ he thought Conor should hagot a red card. Like me, he also felt we should have played to the whistle - I hope we have learned our lesson now.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Neil Hawkes on May 02, 2019, 10:08:08 AM
While watching the match on TV - the ball was passed by the Leeds player after he indicated he was going to put the ball out of play; this is also the view of the 2 x commentators at the time who - while not quite as incensed as I was - did not agree with what had just happened.

Frankly anyone who has not seen the build-up and what was done earlier, (with Connor putting the ball out the during the previous half for their injured player while they were under the cosh), are reacting & commenting without being in full view of the facts; why am I not surprised!
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: robbo1874 on May 02, 2019, 11:11:35 AM
Started a new job this week. Day 3 yesterday and I got talking to an old Aussie boy who likes his ‘soccer.’ He was outing poms in our area and mentioned Andrew- whose from Leeds. I told him to say I’m a Villa supporter. The guy got up and grimaced and shook his fist at me. I just laughed at him. Had a chat to him later on in the day and in fairness, he was alright, but quickly dodged my question about his attendance in the ‘97 league cup final. Couldn’t get a ticket apparently and they lost to a ‘shit team’!!

Really want them to implode and not even make the final. I can’t help disliking even the ‘alright’ ones, to be honest.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Damo70 on May 02, 2019, 11:19:09 AM
Started a new job this week. Day 3 yesterday and I got talking to an old Aussie boy who likes his ‘soccer.’ He was outing poms in our area and mentioned Andrew- whose from Leeds. I told him to say I’m a Villa supporter. The guy got up and grimaced and shook his fist at me. I just laughed at him. Had a chat to him later on in the day and in fairness, he was alright, but quickly dodged my question about his attendance in the ‘97 league cup final. Couldn’t get a ticket apparently and they lost to a ‘shit team’!!

Really want them to implode and not even make the final. I can’t help disliking even the ‘alright’ ones, to be honest.


Why would a Leeds fan want a ticket for the Leicester v Middlesbrough League Cup final? ;)
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: themossman on May 02, 2019, 11:23:06 AM
On reflection, does anyone else feel like that was the kind of game that will pull the squad together and cement a siege mentality which will serve us well in the playoffs?
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: robbo1874 on May 02, 2019, 11:24:40 AM
Alright - fair cop- ‘96. Some goal by Savo though eh? I might forget the year, but I’ll never forget that goal. Or Ian Taylor’s. couldn’t for the life of me remember the 2nd scorer though!
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Drummond on May 02, 2019, 01:11:36 PM
Alright - fair cop- ‘96. Some goal by Savo though eh? I might forget the year, but I’ll never forget that goal. Or Ian Taylor’s. couldn’t for the life of me remember the 2nd scorer though!

I went to my mate's house to watch it. There were a good few of us there. They were all Leeds fans. Fucking brilliant day.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 02, 2019, 01:16:09 PM
Alright - fair cop- ‘96. Some goal by Savo though eh? I might forget the year, but I’ll never forget that goal. Or Ian Taylor’s. couldn’t for the life of me remember the 2nd scorer though!

Taylor made it 2-0, Yorke scored the 3rd.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: robbo1874 on May 02, 2019, 01:38:58 PM
Really? Fk my memory is shot! Could’ve sworn Tayls hit the last one, falling back and hit underside of the crossbar. Still a top day out though. We all went to Victoria afterwards and don’t think anyone really wanted to go home after. Happy times.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Ads on May 02, 2019, 01:40:25 PM
I showed it to a mate at work today  an£ he thought Conor should hagot a red card. Like me, he also felt we should have played to the whistle - I hope we have learned our lesson now.

I'm not having that.

There is context. We're about to sling it into the box and stop, putting it out of play at their request because their midfielder is injured.

Tyler Roberts dupes us by slowing to a stop, leading to our players to slow to a stop.

it was a shithouse move, from a shithouse club.

I also refute everybody hating Leeds, I couldn't give a flying fig. They've spent as much time out the top flight as in it, won as much as half the other clubs in the league and they're more famous for not winning the European Cup and being general scum bags on and off the pitch more than anything else.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: robbo1874 on May 02, 2019, 01:52:40 PM
I showed it to a mate at work today  an£ he thought Conor should hagot a red card. Like me, he also felt we should have played to the whistle - I hope we have learned our lesson now.

I'm not having that.

There is context. We're about to sling it into the box and stop, putting it out of play at their request because their midfielder is injured.

Tyler Roberts dupes us by slowing to a stop, leading to our players to slow to a stop.

it was a shithouse move, from a shithouse club.

I also refute everybody hating Leeds, I couldn't give a flying fig. They've spent as much time out the top flight as in it, won as much as half the other clubs in the league and they're more famous for not winning the European Cup and being general scum bags on and off the pitch more than anything else.
erm... so does that mean you hate them, or not bothered by them? Couldn’t tell from your words Ads.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: themossman on May 02, 2019, 03:09:28 PM
The whole episode has highlighted the cluelessness of neutral fans and pundits. Ads is spot on. This wasn’t a play the whistle situation at all, the fact that we’d put it out just before, and the way Roberts was in two minds, screwed us. It wasn’t a goal scoring chance until he did that so it changed the whole situation.

Also with Bielsa, though I appreciate that isn’t as clear cut. He doesn’t come out of it as Mr integrity if you’ve watched the way Leeds played all game, under his instructions, and if you consider what he was actually sacrificing by letting us score (i.e. nothing), plus the fact that he already has the cheat label over spygate.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Ads on May 02, 2019, 04:51:53 PM
I showed it to a mate at work today  an£ he thought Conor should hagot a red card. Like me, he also felt we should have played to the whistle - I hope we have learned our lesson now.

I'm not having that.

There is context. We're about to sling it into the box and stop, putting it out of play at their request because their midfielder is injured.

Tyler Roberts dupes us by slowing to a stop, leading to our players to slow to a stop.

it was a shithouse move, from a shithouse club.

I also refute everybody hating Leeds, I couldn't give a flying fig. They've spent as much time out the top flight as in it, won as much as half the other clubs in the league and they're more famous for not winning the European Cup and being general scum bags on and off the pitch more than anything else.
erm... so does that mean you hate them, or not bothered by them? Couldn’t tell from your words Ads.

I am pondering their insignificance to me and giving reasons why I care as much about Leeds as I do clubs like Blackburn or Forest, for whom I care not a jot. They only enter the consciousness as you can't move on Twitter or Facebook footballing circles for use of the ironic phrase of "Leeds would have brought more".

Beyond that? Meh.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on May 02, 2019, 05:30:12 PM
Bamford's been banned for two games.  Apparently Leeds tried to argue that his punishment should be less because of the sportsmanship they showed in letting us have an equaliser.  Pffft.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: themossman on May 02, 2019, 05:34:39 PM
Quote
Leeds said in a statement that although the 25-year-old did not deny the charge they had requested a hearing to "contest the penalty imposed on the player".

They added: "The club felt that given the circumstances surrounding the incident, including the extraordinary act of sportsmanship which saw our head coach Marcelo Bielsa demand our team to allow Aston Villa to score an uncontested equaliser, we could have a sensible discussion around the sanction.

Are they actually trying to look like ******.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Scratchins on May 02, 2019, 05:46:32 PM
Tyler Roberts is an Albion fan.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Rigadon on May 02, 2019, 05:51:50 PM
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Leeds said in a statement that although the 25-year-old did not deny the charge they had requested a hearing to "contest the penalty imposed on the player".

They added: "The club felt that given the circumstances surrounding the incident, including the extraordinary act of sportsmanship which saw our head coach Marcelo Bielsa demand our team to allow Aston Villa to score an uncontested equaliser, we could have a sensible discussion around the sanction.

Are they actually trying to look like c***s.

No, but they looking decidedly cuntish nonetheless.  And, the goal was not uncontested was it as that twat of a centre half tried to tackle Albert. 

As fucking IF the fact that they let us score (twat aside) should mean Bamford should be allowed to blatantly cheat to get another player sent off.  It's quite a remarkable statement. 

I see the post-truth era has reached devision 2. 
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 02, 2019, 08:02:44 PM
Bamford's been banned for two games.  Apparently Leeds tried to argue that his punishment should be less because of the sportsmanship they showed in letting us have an equaliser.  Pffft.

I thought they would fight to get his banned extended into next season.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: olaftab on May 02, 2019, 09:58:20 PM
I am going to nick a bottle of pop from Asda, stand outside the shop and drink it however because I binned the empty bottle properly in their recycling bin  I expect no punishment.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 02, 2019, 11:22:04 PM
I am going to nick a bottle of pop from Asda, stand outside the shop and drink it however because I binned the empty bottle properly in their recycling bin  I expect no punishment.

I don't know how you can face shoplifting in ASDA. The decor gives me a migraine.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Tayls_7 on May 03, 2019, 04:29:37 PM
I am going to nick a bottle of pop from Asda, stand outside the shop and drink it however because I binned the empty bottle properly in their recycling bin  I expect no punishment.

I don't know how you can face shoplifting in ASDA. The decor gives me a migraine.

You'd need aisle 6, just down from deodorants and body lotions.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: Border villan on May 03, 2019, 05:30:05 PM
I am going to nick a bottle of pop from Asda, stand outside the shop and drink it however because I binned the empty bottle properly in their recycling bin  I expect no punishment.

I don't know how you can face shoplifting in ASDA. The decor gives me a migraine.

You'd need aisle 6, just down from deodorants and body lotions.
Tell them about your migraine and they might let you off.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: KevinGage on May 03, 2019, 06:00:35 PM
Bamford's been banned for two games.  Apparently Leeds tried to argue that his punishment should be less because of the sportsmanship they showed in letting us have an equaliser.  Pffft.

Putting in a piss taker of an appeal like that should result in a longer ban.

Bamford utterly embarrassed himself on the pitch.  LUFC and their mutant 80s throwback support have tried to go one better since then.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: mike on May 03, 2019, 06:23:27 PM
If that was me, I couldn't look my children, my wife or my parents in the eye. Professionally, I have had the joy to meet large number of people whose friends and families would think he was a great bloke for trying and shame he got caught out. If that had been an Aston Villa player, I would hope the club would have apologised and disciplined the player themselves. Bielsa should have him running round the pitch during training wearing a notice saying 'I am a cheating, cowardly little boy. I am a disgrace to this football club' Just an opinion.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: LeeB on May 03, 2019, 07:07:17 PM
If that was me, I couldn't look my children, my wife or my parents in the eye. Professionally, I have had the joy to meet large number of people whose friends and families would think he was a great bloke for trying and shame he got caught out. If that had been an Aston Villa player, I would hope the club would have apologised and disciplined the player themselves. Bielsa should have him running round the pitch during training wearing a notice saying 'I am a cheating, cowardly little boy. I am a disgrace to this football club' Just an opinion.

It's hard for the club to call him out as a disgrace, when the club itself is a disgrace.
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: dave shelley on May 08, 2019, 08:22:43 PM
This Czech kid is destined to play for Leeds (https://www.the42.ie/colin-obrien-reaction-czech-republic-4621885-May2019/)
Title: Re: Leeds United 1-1 Aston Villa Post Match Thread
Post by: b23 on July 16, 2019, 09:27:58 PM
Patrick Bamford: Leeds United forward 'regrets' deception incident in Aston Villa game

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49004776
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