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Title: Frederic Guilbert OUT ON LOAN
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 31, 2019, 09:33:20 PM
Welcome Freddy. See you in August.

https://twitter.com/avfcofficial/status/1091086364056174595?s=12
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Dazvillain on January 31, 2019, 09:33:51 PM
Announced......👍
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Dazvillain on January 31, 2019, 09:34:46 PM
Models please delete duplicate thread
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: berneboy on January 31, 2019, 09:35:20 PM
He sounds impressive in the official video.

If he plays as well as he talks he'll be a good un
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Dave P on January 31, 2019, 09:35:29 PM
Confirmed on an undisclosed fee from Caen and loaned straight back.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: hilts_coolerking on January 31, 2019, 09:35:55 PM
Nope, I got nothing.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Dazvillain on January 31, 2019, 09:38:10 PM
Loaned straight back then with us next season..... him and Bree for RB ?
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: KevinGage on January 31, 2019, 09:38:20 PM
Models please delete duplicate thread

Dave W and all those lads are catwalk material for sure.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 31, 2019, 09:38:25 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DyRNQxhWwAA06WI.jpg)

Quote
Aston Villa is delighted to announce the signing of Frederic Guilbert from Caen for an undisclosed fee.

The defender will return to the Ligue 1 side on loan for the remainder of the 2018/19 season.

A graduate of the youth academy at Caen, 24-year-old Guilbert has also plied his trade with AS Cherbourg and Bordeaux before returning to Normandy.

He has also been capped internationally by France at U21 level.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Risso on January 31, 2019, 09:39:34 PM
Strange one, but whatever.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: sickbeggar on January 31, 2019, 09:40:04 PM
meh. not interested if we can't play with it for 6 months,
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on January 31, 2019, 09:40:28 PM
Bon chance and all that, but seems a bit odd to be doing this sort of deal with a 24 year old.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Matt Collins on January 31, 2019, 09:43:09 PM
I like the sound of the deal

We're obviously focused on next season which is the right call for me
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Dazvillain on January 31, 2019, 09:43:50 PM
Bon chance and all that, but seems a bit odd to be doing this sort of deal with a 24 year old.
Smith agreed him to stay as his club fighting relegation battle and heís seen as their best player . Jesus and talent spotters give him glowing reports so with Hutton out of contract and Bree future uncertain heís seen as potential RB starter next season £5 million
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: KevinGage on January 31, 2019, 09:44:32 PM
Perhaps other clubs were interested and were offering the same (or more). And we were the only club who agreed to loan him back.

Can't say I'm an avid follower of the French second tier, but hopefully Jesus knows his onions.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: dave shelley on January 31, 2019, 09:45:14 PM
Bon chance and all that, but seems a bit odd to be doing this sort of deal with a 24 year old.
Smith agreed him to stay as his club fighting relegation battle and heís seen as their best player . Jesus and talent spotters give him glowing reports so with Hutton out of contract and Bree future uncertain heís seen as potential RB starter next season £5 million

I think it's Ä5m Daz.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 31, 2019, 09:47:48 PM

Can't say I'm an avid follower of the French second tier, but hopefully Jesus knows his onions.

He plays in Ligue 1.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on January 31, 2019, 09:47:55 PM
Perhaps other clubs were interested and were offering the same (or more). And we were the only club who agreed to loan him back.

Can't say I'm an avid follower of the French second tier, but hopefully Jesus knows his onions.

They're in the top flight.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: garyshawsknee on January 31, 2019, 09:50:10 PM
Seems like we had to loan him back to get him, so makes sense. Hopefully he will finally solve our curse of the right back.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Risso on January 31, 2019, 09:52:08 PM
I like the sound of the deal

We're obviously focused on next season which is the right call for me

We'll have a whole new rebuilding task to do if we allow such defeatist nonsense.  No Tammy, and possibly no Jack and McGinn.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 31, 2019, 10:02:38 PM
DS talking about him https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1091093589516521472

And player interview
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: andyh on January 31, 2019, 10:05:23 PM
Love this quote from Freddy.

Itís a big club, has been the Champions of England on seven occasions and has a proud history. I think this is a club that has no business being in the Championship, and I hope we can get promoted as soon as possible.Ē
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: eamonn on January 31, 2019, 10:10:57 PM
Has no business being in the Championship - brilliant!  Finally some French arrogance at the club. Been missing since Ginola scored a belter against Man City and showed off his six-pack to let Gregory know just how fat he wasn't.

Any mention of the length of contract for this lad?
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 31, 2019, 10:17:04 PM
Actually a signing I like for first time in ages.

Will watch a few Caen games in the meantime, they're in the relegation battle with Monaco so every reason to watch.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Steve67 on January 31, 2019, 10:18:32 PM
Welcome Frederic.  Really looking forward to not seeing Alan Hutton at right back!
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Villa75 on January 31, 2019, 10:20:42 PM
I like the sound of the deal

We're obviously focused on next season which is the right call for me

Let's see if 'the mob ' jump on you, as quick as they did on me, for daring to suggest such a notion. 😉
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: hilts_coolerking on January 31, 2019, 10:25:07 PM
Neither for nor against.  Never heard of him, never seen him play.  Judgement / excitement reserved for, presumably, next season.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Ian. on January 31, 2019, 10:27:55 PM
Weíre buying players to fulfil roles and can adopt our style now, not just buying random players to fill a squad.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 31, 2019, 10:29:57 PM
They wanted to get him before the summer but Caen are fighting relegation so didnít want to lose him before the end of the season so we agreed in order to make sure we got him.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Steve67 on January 31, 2019, 10:32:04 PM
All a bit of Entente Cordialle!
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: mr underhill on February 01, 2019, 07:28:02 AM
let's hope this one works out.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: sid1964 on February 01, 2019, 07:33:30 AM
Lets hope that we have got a right back who can defend as well as attack!
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: tomd2103 on February 01, 2019, 08:23:27 AM
I just can't really understand this one to be honest.  If we are still looking to make a push for the play offs this season, then we need strengthening now.  I can see that he has been bought with next season in mind, but why not just address that in the summer and invest in an area where there is an immediate need (LB)?
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: andyh on February 01, 2019, 08:30:27 AM
Maybe we should have brought him in and sent Caen Hutton, Elmo or Bree (or all 3).
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Chris Smith on February 01, 2019, 08:44:11 AM
I just can't really understand this one to be honest.  If we are still looking to make a push for the play offs this season, then we need strengthening now.  I can see that he has been bought with next season in mind, but why not just address that in the summer and invest in an area where there is an immediate need (LB)?

Isnít purely focusing on the short term partly responsible for the position we are in?
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: ironmaidenmania on February 01, 2019, 08:46:03 AM
But you just know that he'll be brilliant for them possibly help them stay up, and the come to BH in July injured and out for 6 months!! That's our sort of luck.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Damo70 on February 01, 2019, 08:57:34 AM
All a bit of Entente Cordialle!

Have we signed him as well? Which position does Entente play in?
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: paul_e on February 01, 2019, 12:02:43 PM
I just can't really understand this one to be honest.  If we are still looking to make a push for the play offs this season, then we need strengthening now.  I can see that he has been bought with next season in mind, but why not just address that in the summer and invest in an area where there is an immediate need (LB)?

This is only relevant if we were in a situation where we had a choice of completing this deal or signing a left back, there's no evidence to suggest that is the case, it just appears that the 2 left backs we were interested in (Rico Henry and James Justin) were both impossible to sign in this window so we've taken Mings and Hause to cover both LCB and LB.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: darren woolley on February 01, 2019, 01:26:52 PM
I don't know anything about him hope he does well for us welcome to Villa Frederic.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Ian. on February 01, 2019, 01:29:27 PM
I just can't really understand this one to be honest.  If we are still looking to make a push for the play offs this season, then we need strengthening now.  I can see that he has been bought with next season in mind, but why not just address that in the summer and invest in an area where there is an immediate need (LB)?

Isnít purely focusing on the short term partly responsible for the position we are in?
Absolutely. Maybe we really wanted this player, maybe actually identified him to suit Smith's style and we are prepared to wait for him. Long term planning at long last, just maybe?
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 01, 2019, 04:13:00 PM
I just can't really understand this one to be honest.  If we are still looking to make a push for the play offs this season, then we need strengthening now.  I can see that he has been bought with next season in mind, but why not just address that in the summer and invest in an area where there is an immediate need (LB)?

Isnít purely focusing on the short term partly responsible for the position we are in?
Absolutely. Maybe we really wanted this player, maybe actually identified him to suit Smith's style and we are prepared to wait for him. Long term planning at long last, just maybe?

Also gives the lad a few months to learn the language. We know from previous experience how important that can be.
Welcome, Frederic.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 11, 2019, 08:25:09 AM
Caen in bottom 2 now following a 1-0 defeat.  A twitterer has posted Ďif we think Hutton is bad.í 
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: mr underhill on February 11, 2019, 09:18:02 AM
We go again?
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: john e on February 11, 2019, 08:27:00 PM
Caen in bottom 2 now following a 1-0 defeat.  A twitterer has posted Ďif we think Hutton is bad.í 


Did someone in the past break a giant mirror at Villa Park

surely 7 years is up by now
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: VILLA MOLE on February 11, 2019, 08:33:14 PM
Well this is a new one , written off before he has even  properly joined us
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: john e on February 11, 2019, 08:42:14 PM
Well this is a new one , written off before he has even  properly joined us


saves time
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Clampy on February 11, 2019, 08:53:33 PM
Well this is a new one , written off before he has even  properly joined us

You have to laugh sometimes don't you.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: VILLA MOLE on February 11, 2019, 08:56:09 PM
Well this is a new one , written off before he has even  properly joined us

You have to laugh sometimes don't you.


from behind the tears
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 11, 2019, 08:59:22 PM
He may turn out to be crap, but i'm not going to base it on some random on Twitter apparently saying he is.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: brian green on February 11, 2019, 09:03:09 PM
If he is pants we can sell him to the Noses as Gil Merrick's long lost grandson.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: mr underhill on February 12, 2019, 12:02:06 PM
I'm looking forward to seeing Fred paly.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: john e on February 12, 2019, 02:44:06 PM
He may turn out to be crap, but i'm not going to base it on some random on Twitter apparently saying he is.

our record of one decent player (Mcginn) out of every 30/40 signings could mean it might be time for another good one on the law of averages
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: mr underhill on February 12, 2019, 03:53:06 PM
I'm really looking forward to seeing a decent signing in 2029 then
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: LukeJames on May 18, 2019, 09:33:14 PM
Watching Lyon v Caen in some dodgy sports bar, Caen are wretched and 3-0 down but Guilbert does look decent, they're playing him as a winger though. Very comfortable on the ball and willing to beat the defender.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on May 18, 2019, 09:46:26 PM
Watching Lyon v Caen in some dodgy sports bar, Caen are wretched and 3-0 down but Guilbert does look decent, they're playing him as a winger though. Very comfortable on the ball and willing to beat the defender.

Admittedly I only watched the first half but I thought he was totally anonymous and barely touched the ball. As you say he was perhaps playing in a more, unfamiliar advanced role, so I won't hold it against him!
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 19, 2019, 05:47:14 PM
Caught a bit of their game last week and remembered we'd signed him, fairly sure he was at left back that much so he's versatile at least.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: SheffieldVillain on May 19, 2019, 05:53:12 PM
Watching Lyon v Caen in some dodgy sports bar, Caen are wretched and 3-0 down but Guilbert does look decent, they're playing him as a winger though. Very comfortable on the ball and willing to beat the defender.

I love that the first feature of the players Smith looks to sign (or has so far at least) is 'comfortable on the ball'. This makes me so happy.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: badluckeric(gates) on May 29, 2019, 01:06:47 PM
We have this guy ti look forward to as well.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Kimaster1976 on May 29, 2019, 07:34:31 PM
Just been reading up on him and checking him out on youtube (granted that can mean nothing) but I was pleasantly surprised by what i saw.

Can play Right back or Left back, can use both feet, looks to have an excellent pass on him and good in the tackle.

He was playing every game for Bordeaux at the age of 20 and playing in European competitions so he must have been highly rated young.

Maybe we've unearthed a little gem here.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Ads on May 29, 2019, 07:42:19 PM
Being comfortable on the ball is a prerequisite for Deano I expect.

He must be an upgrade on Hutton and with Elmo as back up, that's one problem area sorted.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 29, 2019, 09:58:06 PM
Being comfortable on the ball is a prerequisite for Deano I expect.

He must be an upgrade on Hutton and with Elmo as back up, that's one problem area sorted.

And realistically we will sign a top left back, having Hause and Taylor there as back ups will be solid too. Taylor if he is sold then fine but he is a competent squad player and has a good relationship with AEG. He understands the system and actually did well in the final. Heíll be replaced by better in time but not the end of the world if he is a back up.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Gregorys Boy on June 05, 2019, 11:56:38 AM
Not a big Taylor fan.  As a squad player I guess he's okay, but will need better in the top flight.  Will wait and see on Guilbert. 
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Drummond on July 04, 2019, 06:13:06 AM
Just realised I'd forgotten about this chap coming. Hopefully he'll prove to be an improvement!
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Edvard Remberg on July 23, 2019, 06:13:23 PM
Seems like a character... just responded to the official avfc twitter about his fantasy score to announce Messi or Ronaldo

😂

https://twitter.com/fredguilbert24/status/1153703213289357314?s=09
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: FrankyH on July 24, 2019, 08:47:14 PM
Seems like a character... just responded to the official avfc twitter about his fantasy score to announce Messi or Ronaldo

😂

https://twitter.com/fredguilbert24/status/1153703213289357314?s=09

I know Newcastle used to sing it for a Belgium player I think. But "Rupert the Bear" children's TV song scans okay for Frťdťric Guilbert. The way he is playing preseason  I think he will have his own song.

No ? I'll get me coat !
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Steve67 on July 24, 2019, 09:40:47 PM
Great engine, actually got caught offside after a break away tonight.  Looks a very good acquisition with room for improvement too. Crosses well.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Clampy on July 24, 2019, 09:41:59 PM
I really liked his running off the ball more than anything.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on July 24, 2019, 11:00:41 PM
Seems like a character... just responded to the official avfc twitter about his fantasy score to announce Messi or Ronaldo

😂

https://twitter.com/fredguilbert24/status/1153703213289357314?s=09

I know Newcastle used to sing it for a Belgium player I think. But "Rupert the Bear" children's TV song scans okay for Frťdťric Guilbert. The way he is playing preseason  I think he will have his own song.

No ? I'll get me coat !

Phillipe Albert.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: darren woolley on July 25, 2019, 09:39:52 AM
Looks the part he's another player who looks like he belongs in a Aston Villa shirt.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Edvard Remberg on July 25, 2019, 10:26:17 PM
Doing Twitter again...
AVFC:
📝 Weíre continuing our ĎOne on Oneí Q&A feature series this season. Up next:

👊 Frederic Guilbert
🔥 Wesley
💪 Ezri Konsa

Get your questions into us 👇 and weíll put the best ones to our new signings.

#AVFC https://t.co/hxxk6ft5KH
"
Guilbert responds:
"For wesley, Why do you scream with a girl's voice when you want the ball? 🤔👧🏾👧🏾"

😂😂😂😂
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Edvard Remberg on July 25, 2019, 10:27:36 PM
The tweet
https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1154486756164554752?s=19
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 25, 2019, 10:31:26 PM
Doing Twitter again...
AVFC:
📝 Weíre continuing our ĎOne on Oneí Q&A feature series this season. Up next:

👊 Frederic Guilbert
🔥 Wesley
💪 Ezri Konsa

Get your questions into us 👇 and weíll put the best ones to our new signings.

#AVFC https://t.co/hxxk6ft5KH
"
Guilbert responds:
"For wesley, Why do you scream with a girl's voice when you want the ball? 🤔👧🏾👧🏾"

😂😂😂😂


That's absolutely brilliant.

His English is already excellent, I see.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 25, 2019, 10:33:39 PM
Fucking superb!
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Monty on July 25, 2019, 10:36:59 PM
I don't want to bring the tone down to anything too serious, but I've really been encouraged by how all our new signings seem to be integrating with each other.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: dave shelley on July 26, 2019, 09:21:03 AM
I don't want to bring the tone down to anything too serious, but I've really been encouraged by how all our new signings seem to be integrating with each other.

One would imagine that Richard O'Kelly? was correct when he said that it wasn't just a player's ability they looked at, it was also their character and how it would fit what they are trying to create.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Bad English on August 17, 2019, 05:30:23 PM
What is the story with Fred Guilbert?
Is he...
- injured?
- lazy in training?
- not good enough to start?
- pissing off Dean Smith or his staff?
- on strike?
- an enigma?
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: GarTomas on August 17, 2019, 05:35:12 PM
Letís hope heís not the next Matheiu Berson...
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Bad English on August 17, 2019, 05:38:24 PM
Letís hope heís not the next Matheiu Berson...
This is what I worry about.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: GarTomas on August 17, 2019, 05:41:46 PM
Looked great in pre season. Elmo must have the goods on someone.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 17, 2019, 05:47:34 PM
Heíll be in against Everton I reckon. Along with Jota and Trez on the left.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 17, 2019, 05:50:39 PM
I wouldn't read any more into it than Dean Smith bringing them in slowly which I think is fine. I'd play him against Everton though after today's result. Could do with his attacking flair from the start.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: onebyone12 on August 17, 2019, 05:54:22 PM
For me he was comfortably our best player in pre-season he showed just as much in the walsall game as the leipzig game; faster that Elmo, just as good a crosser and just as agressive so whats the problem? If its lack of prem experience thats keeping him out, then thats Deano's first major blunder in my opinion.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on August 17, 2019, 05:59:43 PM
Letís hope heís not the next Matheiu Berson...

David O'Leary is not our manager. Thankfully.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: OCD on August 17, 2019, 06:35:27 PM
I just think Smith likes having Elmo and Trez on the same flank for the time being, because they know eachother.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Nii Lamptey on August 17, 2019, 06:46:15 PM
I couldn't care less if they're shagging each other! Guilbert is a far better player at this moment in time and should be in the team on merit based off his pre-season performances.

From what I saw, he should be first name on the team sheet.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: myf on August 17, 2019, 11:08:18 PM
I saw someone on Twitter ask if he was injured and he replied NO (in upper case).

I agree he looked best player against leipzig and very surprised he hasn't even made bench yet.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: LukeJames on August 17, 2019, 11:53:33 PM
Heíll be in against Everton I reckon. Along with Jota and Trez on the left.

That would leave us very light on the right.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Risso on August 18, 2019, 01:10:09 AM
Jota has been shit for two matches when coming on, why on earth would we start him?
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: OzVilla on August 18, 2019, 02:34:55 AM
The pace is a bit much for Jota at the moment. I think Guillbert will play against Everton. It's all good going tried and trusted but we've now shipped 5 in 2 games.  We need more attacking threat from our fullbacks.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: in exile on August 18, 2019, 01:52:43 PM
Jota has been shit for two matches when coming on, why on earth would we start him?
Hear, hear
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 18, 2019, 03:01:30 PM
Jota has been shit for two matches when coming on, why on earth would we start him?

He did more in a few minutes yesterday than Anwar has done in two matches in my humble opinion.

Problem is he's no winger IMHO. You'd probably get the best out of him playing just behind Wes threading things together between midfield and attack. However we seem obsessed with getting the ball wide far too much for my liking.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 18, 2019, 04:11:43 PM
Jota has been shit for two matches when coming on, why on earth would we start him?

He did more in a few minutes yesterday than Anwar has done in two matches in my humble opinion.

Problem is he's no winger IMHO. You'd probably get the best out of him playing just behind Wes threading things together between midfield and attack. However we seem obsessed with getting the ball wide far too much for my liking.

Agree on all three points.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on August 18, 2019, 04:19:33 PM
I would have liked Jota to come on a play behind Wesley when we were chasing an equaliser. Could have risked taking a defender off and gone for it with two wingers and two forwards.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Ads on August 18, 2019, 04:21:59 PM
Freddie must start against Everton.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on August 18, 2019, 05:26:26 PM
I wouldn't hold your breath. I expect the first you will see of him will be at Crewe.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: maidstonevillain on August 18, 2019, 07:11:16 PM
I would have liked Jota to come on a play behind Wesley when we were chasing an equaliser. Could have risked taking a defender off and gone for it with two wingers and two forwards.
I wouldn't have questioned the decision if Jota had come on to replace Grealish in the last 20 mins.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on August 18, 2019, 07:16:05 PM
I would. Grealish is still our main man and taking him off gives the opposition a boost.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: john e on August 18, 2019, 09:24:11 PM
if Guilbert isn't even making the match day squad for the first two games of the season there might be something going on we don't know about

no idea what but it seems very strange
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 18, 2019, 09:26:30 PM
Based on pre-season I thought he was nailed on to be starting and had him in my fantasy team. Then again i'm the plum that was down to needing to add 1 more striker and him needing to be a low price and it was 50/50 if I went for Kean or Pukki, no prizes for guessing which I went for.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on August 18, 2019, 09:28:25 PM
if Guilbert isn't even making the match day squad for the first two games of the season there might be something going on we don't know about

no idea what but it seems very strange

You can only name seven subs, and full backs are probably less likely to change a game late on.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Steve67 on August 18, 2019, 09:32:54 PM
I would. Grealish is still our main man and taking him off gives the opposition a boost.

Most teams have a least one player we would like to see the back off.  I guess Grealish is ours, saying that many of the teams in the top division seem to have three or four, but perhaps I'm saying that because we've not started brilliantly.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: stubbsyandy on August 23, 2019, 08:54:42 PM
Do we have a song yet...how about Freddie Freddie G, Freddie Freddie G!

To boney m obv
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: manic-road on August 23, 2019, 08:58:27 PM
Jota has been shit for two matches when coming on, why on earth would we start him?

Jota starts and he's looked good so far at half time against Everton, Jeez looks like this Smith geezer knows a bit about football.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Ger Regan on August 23, 2019, 10:02:08 PM
I think a Guilbert and Jota right hand side works, guilbert more than makes up for jota's lack of pace. Impressive debut, his place to lose now i think.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Rigadon on August 23, 2019, 10:07:51 PM
Looks a player. 
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 23, 2019, 10:13:35 PM
Absolutely everything you want in a RB. Can defend, is quick and loves to get forward. And he has a doesn't give a fuck attitude about him.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: LukeJames on August 23, 2019, 10:16:35 PM
What an engine.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: aldridgeboy on August 23, 2019, 10:25:43 PM
Absolutely magnificent tonight. Some superb sliding tackles. Comfortable on the ball. Could be one of the buys of the season.
I thought our whole defence was magnificent.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Comrade Blitz on August 23, 2019, 10:28:42 PM
Superb
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: themossman on August 23, 2019, 10:42:15 PM
Brilliant game. Heís such a threat going forward, absolutely loves to bomb through. Didnít flag either he must be fit as a flea.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 23, 2019, 10:47:41 PM
You can thank me for his performance tonight, I took him out of my Fantasy League starting 11 this week after having him in for the first 2 games.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: dave shelley on August 23, 2019, 10:49:14 PM
We were all wondering what kind of a player we'd signed in January, now we know!  A bloody good 'un.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: themossman on August 23, 2019, 10:52:20 PM
If Iím being really glass half empty, the performance tonight along with his pre season form does make it more baffling that he wasnít in the side against spurs and Bournemouth.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Exeter 77 on August 23, 2019, 11:20:21 PM
That recovery tackle late on tonight reminded me of Mark Delaney but with electric pace.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: ldavfc4eva on August 23, 2019, 11:24:25 PM
Looks like a great signing, early days yet but on tonightís display he is a good player
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: WassallVillain on August 23, 2019, 11:34:07 PM
That recovery tackle late on tonight reminded me of Mark Delaney but with electric pace.

More John Gidman I thought. You might not have heard of him. Still the best fullback I have ever seen at Villa.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Exeter 77 on August 23, 2019, 11:45:26 PM
That recovery tackle late on tonight reminded me of Mark Delaney but with electric pace.

More John Gidman I thought. You might not have heard of him. Still the best fullback I have ever seen at Villa.
He played in the first game I ever saw and I also see that similarity if somewhat hazily.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 23, 2019, 11:56:48 PM
Absolutely everything you want in a RB. Can defend, is quick and loves to get forward. And he has a doesn't give a fuck attitude about him.

All that and he played on a yellow card from 4 minutes in. As home debuts go, they don't come much better than tonight.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 24, 2019, 12:04:20 AM
After the early yellow I thought he was in for a nightmare debut like Ugo's against Norwich...
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: WassallVillain on August 24, 2019, 12:08:37 AM
That recovery tackle late on tonight reminded me of Mark Delaney but with electric pace.

More John Gidman I thought. You might not have heard of him. Still the best fullback I have ever seen at Villa.
He played in the first game I ever saw and I also see that similarity if somewhat hazily.

Brilliant attacking and brilliant recovery tackles. Those were exciting times. Feels similar now.  Hope Fred keeps it up. He needs an iconic song. His name fits the Rupert bear tune. Would be great to hear the Holte in full voice with that. Heíd be a foot taller with pride.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Steve67 on August 24, 2019, 12:10:42 AM
I thought the yellow was hoarse to be fair.  Superb display, great to have options with Elmo too.  Freddy will get caught out of position on the odd occasion because of his intent to get forward, but that's how Dean wants to play. Cracking game tonight.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Risso on August 24, 2019, 12:21:52 AM
He was absolutely superb tonight, what a debut. That tackle towards the end was the stuff of legend.  Brilliant.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: olaftab on August 24, 2019, 12:30:30 AM
Very very impressed with this boy. A great game all night but the superb tackle to take the ball off Kean was absolutely brilliant.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: purpletrousers on August 24, 2019, 01:53:43 AM
Do we have a song yet...how about Freddie Freddie G, Freddie Freddie G!

To boney m obv
Great debut, and yes had kinda forgotten that was all on an early yellow!

Re: song, I was amused at the good French pronunciation of the Holte with a

U-go U-go
style chant of
Sjee-bear sjee-bear

Yet another fan favourite?!
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: KRS on August 24, 2019, 02:12:17 AM
Excellent debut and a definite MOTM contender. He created a good partnership and understanding with Jota in preseason, and made some excellent runs that werenít spotted tonight...when the midfield are more switched on to this then his game will improve even more.

Dean is slowly but surely introducing and integrating the new players into the team rather than throwing them all in at the deep end and seeing which ones swim. Very good management.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Edvard Remberg on August 24, 2019, 07:12:15 AM
Gary Nevilla was very complementary to him when he talked with Smith.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: WassallVillain on August 24, 2019, 07:52:12 AM
He was absolutely superb tonight, what a debut. That tackle towards the end was the stuff of legend.  Brilliant.
at that moment I said to my brother ďwe have proper full backĒ it was top class
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: CT on August 24, 2019, 07:58:40 AM
What a performance last night. Absolutely superb. I was raving about him all game.

He's even better than the Scottish Cafu.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Risso on August 24, 2019, 08:19:37 AM
He's extremely quick as well.  Haven't seen a Villa player move that quickly for a long time.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Dave P on August 24, 2019, 08:27:03 AM
After the early yellow I thought he was in for a nightmare debut like Ugo's against Norwich...

I know. Or Hause against Brentford.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Dave P on August 24, 2019, 08:27:22 AM
What a performance last night. Absolutely superb. I was raving about him all game.

He's even better than the Scottish Cafu.

The French Hutton?
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Richard E on August 24, 2019, 08:37:48 AM
After the early yellow I thought he was in for a nightmare debut like Ugo's against Norwich...

I see what you did there ;-)
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Mister E on August 24, 2019, 09:05:43 AM
What a performance last night. Absolutely superb. I was raving about him all game.

He's even better than the Scottish Cafu.
I hope that is ironic. He'll be several levels above in a couple of years.
Superb.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: kipeye on August 24, 2019, 09:05:59 AM
What impressed me was he didn't stick to just running down the touchline. Moved inside as well to open up even more space. This gave Jota the chance to link with Wesley. Must be a team game thing...
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: AV82EC on August 24, 2019, 09:07:41 AM
🎶Le Francais Cafu
Le Francais Cafu

Freddy Guilbert, Le Francais Cafu🎶

Iím sure BE will be along shortly to give me a lesson in why itís La and not Le.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: frank black on August 24, 2019, 12:52:12 PM
He's extremely quick as well.  Haven't seen a Villa player move that quickly for a long time.

Rapid isnít he.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: West Derby Villan on August 24, 2019, 04:50:24 PM
That recovery tackle late on tonight reminded me of Mark Delaney but with electric pace.

More John Gidman I thought. You might not have heard of him. Still the best fullback I have ever seen at Villa.

Yeah I certainly remember Giddy, he is certainly not dissimilar in style or pace  (N.B.keep him away from fireworks!)
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: dave shelley on August 24, 2019, 05:20:00 PM
That recovery tackle late on tonight reminded me of Mark Delaney but with electric pace.

More John Gidman I thought. You might not have heard of him. Still the best fullback I have ever seen at Villa.

Yeah I certainly remember Giddy, he is certainly not dissimilar in style or pace  (N.B.keep him away from fireworks!)

And landladies, allegedly.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Pat McMahon on August 25, 2019, 11:21:52 PM
🎶Le Francais Cafu
Le Francais Cafu

Freddy Guilbert, Le Francais Cafu🎶

Iím sure BE will be along shortly to give me a lesson in why itís La and not Le.

Le Cafu Francais.

Guilbert is pronounced with a hard g like give, by the way,  not a j sound like Gilbert in French (Jill bear)
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: West Derby Villan on August 25, 2019, 11:35:01 PM
🎶Le Francais Cafu
Le Francais Cafu

Freddy Guilbert, Le Francais Cafu🎶

Iím sure BE will be along shortly to give me a lesson in why itís La and not Le.

Le Cafu Francais.

Guilbert is pronounced with a hard g like give, by the way,  not a j sound like Gilbert in French (Jill bear)

Or for us Anglophobes "Freddy""
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: adrenachrome on August 31, 2019, 12:38:54 AM
Quote
@villareport
Guilbert: ďItís important to have that huge support because we experience a lot of positive vibes Ė good energy Ė and that helps to push us to give even more than we usually can.Ē


Guilbert: ďThey are amazing away, too. Even in Leipzig friendly game, to see that many supporters was incredible. At all my previous clubs, I have never seen this. I like it and I hope to keep seeing it. Off the pitch, the fans respect us, too, and we appreciate the fans.Ē
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: ktvillan on August 31, 2019, 12:52:19 AM
Surely we can nick the Philippe Albert/Rupert the bear song for Freddie Guilbert?
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Singapore Villa on August 31, 2019, 03:34:20 AM
ďAt all my previous clubs I have never seen thisĒ

You are at the Villa now son!

UTV
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: VancouverLion on August 31, 2019, 04:02:28 AM
Surely we can nick the Philippe Albert/Rupert the bear song for Freddie Guilbert?
Iíve been singing it since pre season, itís a must!
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: kieron on August 31, 2019, 09:04:14 AM
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Bad English on August 31, 2019, 10:00:32 AM
One thing I liked in that interview that was when he said "There are so many people and everybody is singing. That helps you give your all on the pitch for the fans and the club" What the the subtitles didn't translate was that he added "But even without [the fans] I'd do that anyway".
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Diablo on August 31, 2019, 11:49:22 AM
Well he seems to have a superb attitude and personality not forgetting he looks some player.

I know some people like Jack Woodward and are happy he's back but I find him (as I'm sure someone else mentioned the comparison) really Alan Partridge-esque and cringeworthy. I wish Michelle Owen had stayed on her interview with Tyron when she gave him a lift to training was miles better in my opinion.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Bad English on August 31, 2019, 11:50:39 AM
Typical French lad who, after seven or so years of English at school, can barely string a sentence together. ;-)
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: SaddVillan on November 01, 2019, 02:06:13 PM
From today's Guardian:

Aston Villaís Frťdťric Guilbert: ĎI was told Iíd be a third-rate player, at bestí

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/nov/01/aston-villa-frederic-guilbert-interview-sterling-mbappe-neymar?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Gmail

What a quote!

"At the time Villa were 10th in the Championship and everybody said to me: ĎWhy are you joining them?í But I said I was not joining a league, I was joining Aston Villa.Ē
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: john e on November 01, 2019, 02:13:13 PM
From today's Guardian:

Aston Villaís Frťdťric Guilbert: ĎI was told Iíd be a third-rate player, at bestí

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/nov/01/aston-villa-frederic-guilbert-interview-sterling-mbappe-neymar?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Gmail

What a quote!

"At the time Villa were 10th in the Championship and everybody said to me: ĎWhy are you joining them?í But I said I was not joining a league, I was joining Aston Villa.Ē


they should put that quote on a t shirt
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: West Derby Villan on November 01, 2019, 05:47:04 PM
From today's Guardian:

Aston Villaís Frťdťric Guilbert: ĎI was told Iíd be a third-rate player, at bestí

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/nov/01/aston-villa-frederic-guilbert-interview-sterling-mbappe-neymar?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Gmail

What a quote!

"At the time Villa were 10th in the Championship and everybody said to me: ĎWhy are you joining them?í But I said I was not joining a league, I was joining Aston Villa.Ē


they should put that quote on a t shirt

What a fantastic quote, McGregor would of been proud
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: kieron on November 01, 2019, 06:25:51 PM
A good read, thanks for sharing. I like Freddy.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: garyshawsknee on November 01, 2019, 06:42:43 PM
Nice post Sadd. He has been really good considering it's his first season in a new country and a superior league. Great going forward, very good at recovering and never shirks a tackle, will only get better and better for us.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Steve67 on November 01, 2019, 07:08:12 PM
He was given a tough time last week by Sterling but that sort of player doesn't come along every week and he's looked sharp, fit and agile.  I agree with the post above, he will get better and better.  France cap beckons I hope.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: wittonwarrior on November 01, 2019, 07:24:17 PM
Think last Saturday ness to be parked to one side, he was playing against a very good player in the form of his life with little protection
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 01, 2019, 08:09:41 PM
I think heís done really well and has been a real bonus. If he continues to develop heíll be a fine player.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: West Derby Villan on November 01, 2019, 10:22:31 PM
Definitely early days and work in progress but he has all the attributes to become a massive fans favourite
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Ads on November 01, 2019, 10:33:36 PM
He was excellent against Sterling, did really well. I like him a lot.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: olaftab on November 01, 2019, 10:50:42 PM
The man has class.

"But I said I was not joining a league, I was joining Aston Villa"
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 01, 2019, 10:58:43 PM
He also said this when he signed "I think this is a club that has no business being in the Championship"

Plus his tweet to Wes which was very funny.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: purpletrousers on November 02, 2019, 01:36:55 AM
A good read, thanks for sharing. I like Freddy.

Indeed. Some nice quotes from him. It was interesting he was often forgotten in the lists of new signings at the start of the season, what a good bit of early doors business that was.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: KRS on November 02, 2019, 06:07:00 AM
He's proved to be a significant upgrade on Hutton and Elmo so far. Hope he continues to improve and is with us for a good few years to come. Would be great to see him get a few goals too.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: nigel on November 02, 2019, 07:41:42 AM
ď... I wasnít joining a league, I was joining Aston VillaĒ

Has to be the quote of the century!!
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Ads on November 02, 2019, 07:44:04 AM
Wasn't he in the stands with us at Wembley too? I have a vague memory of seeing a photo he had taken with him and his partner celebrating.

Edit: reading the article helps!
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on November 02, 2019, 08:25:14 AM
I met him the other day in a non-football context, he's a thoroughly nice guy
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: eamonn on November 02, 2019, 12:26:03 PM
He also said this when he signed "I think this is a club that has no business being in the Championship"

Plus his tweet to Wes which was very funny.

Oh yeah, Wesley squealing "Veeeela" like Wolves fans say we all do
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Clark W Griswold on November 03, 2019, 10:50:49 AM
Well, new to the country, 24 years old which is young for a defender, less than a dozen games in and he already looks very comfortable in this league. He'll most likely improve further and i hope he plays for us for the best part of a decade.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: manic-road on November 03, 2019, 10:58:54 AM
Well, new to the country, 24 years old which is young for a defender, less than a dozen games in and he already looks very comfortable in this league. He'll most likely improve further and i hope he plays for us for the best part of a decade.

Yes shame he got a dead leg early on yesterday, hope he's fit for the Wolves game.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: SheffieldVillain on November 25, 2019, 10:56:46 PM
£4.5m or whatever it was for this guy is looking an absolute steal. Another very good performance.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: kieron on November 26, 2019, 06:41:06 AM
https://twitter.com/fredguilbert24/status/1199147559954071552

"Thanks for this amazing atmosphere, I'm starting to be in love 😍."
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Demitri_C on November 26, 2019, 08:03:08 AM
He is abit inconsistent but considering how little we paid and he is chipping with with goals at this level it's only a positive for me.

Looms a bargain at the price!
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: PeterWithe on November 26, 2019, 08:15:51 AM
He did really well, aggressive when their winger was trying to turn and backed off when he was running at him, patiently waiting for a dribbling mistake, which nearly always came.

Thought it was a very impressive performance.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: chrisw1 on November 26, 2019, 08:57:15 AM
Excellent last night, really impressed.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Risso on November 26, 2019, 09:29:56 AM
Yes he was excellent last night, and was up against their best player.  He's solid defensively, and joins in with attacks well.  Easily the best full back we've had in years and years.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on November 26, 2019, 09:32:13 AM
Yes he was excellent last night, and was up against their best player.  He's solid defensively, and joins in with attacks well.  Easily the best full back we've had in years and years.

Agreed. One of our few consistent performers so far this season I think - he's been solid at his worst, impressive at his best.

Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: paul_e on November 26, 2019, 09:50:22 AM
What impressed me most was that when they did get into our half as soon as we won the ball he was alert and looking to run into the space. There were 3-4 times where he was right up with Jack and Wes leading a counter attack. Hutton would do that at times but then we'd have a massive hole in defence as he jogged back whereas Guilbert seems to always have the legs to get back as well.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: VILLA MOLE on November 26, 2019, 10:04:26 AM
What impressed me most was that when they did get into our half as soon as we won the ball he was alert and looking to run into the space. There were 3-4 times where he was right up with Jack and Wes leading a counter attack. Hutton would do that at times but then we'd have a massive hole in defence as he jogged back whereas Guilbert seems to always have the legs to get back as well.


agreed a couple of times he went bombing down the right and didn't get the ball poor sod ! ,  but he created space and was effective against their most threatening player
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: in exile on November 26, 2019, 10:06:46 AM
He's impressive
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Oscar Arce on November 26, 2019, 10:16:21 AM
Superb performance last night, typified by his lung-burtsing run right on the final whistle, one of many, when he didn't get the ball.
In home games he is a real asset, away games where he is under more pressure less so, but still looks a bargain.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Drummond on November 26, 2019, 10:19:17 AM
He's quick too. Have to echo other compliments, though he's no Alan Hutton.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Luke8 on November 26, 2019, 11:28:42 AM
The energy and pace that, particularly Freddy, but also Targett have brought to the team has been something that we have been missing in those positions for absolutely ages.

It makes such a difference to how effective we are going forwards and how much more fun and exciting we are to watch.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: brentastonb6 on November 26, 2019, 11:39:25 AM
What impressed me most was that when they did get into our half as soon as we won the ball he was alert and looking to run into the space. There were 3-4 times where he was right up with Jack and Wes leading a counter attack. Hutton would do that at times but then we'd have a massive hole in defence as he jogged back whereas Guilbert seems to always have the legs to get back as well.


agreed a couple of times he went bombing down the right and didn't get the ball poor sod ! ,  but he created space and was effective against their most threatening player
This- created space and great to see Villa attacking in numbers and with pace . Great times to be a Villain 👍
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 26, 2019, 02:21:35 PM
What impressed me most was that when they did get into our half as soon as we won the ball he was alert and looking to run into the space. There were 3-4 times where he was right up with Jack and Wes leading a counter attack. Hutton would do that at times but then we'd have a massive hole in defence as he jogged back whereas Guilbert seems to always have the legs to get back as well.

He got seriously caught out once last night when he decided to join the strikers, finding himself at the edge of the box. Not quite sure what he was thinking and with Newcastle countering into the empty space it could have been costly.

Other than that, he was brilliant despite having his hands full most of the game. What I love about him is his no-nonsense approach, gets stuck in, takes the rough with the smooth, extremely well disciplined. In that aspect, he reminds me of a top rugby player. Jobs there to be done, stays focused and gives his all. One of my favourite players this season.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: usav on November 26, 2019, 02:46:19 PM
What impressed me most was that when they did get into our half as soon as we won the ball he was alert and looking to run into the space. There were 3-4 times where he was right up with Jack and Wes leading a counter attack. Hutton would do that at times but then we'd have a massive hole in defence as he jogged back whereas Guilbert seems to always have the legs to get back as well.

He got seriously caught out once last night when he decided to join the strikers, finding himself at the edge of the box. Not quite sure what he was thinking and with Newcastle countering into the empty space it could have been costly.

Other than that, he was brilliant despite having his hands full most of the game. What I love about him is his no-nonsense approach, gets stuck in, takes the rough with the smooth, extremely well disciplined. In that aspect, he reminds me of a top rugby player. Jobs there to be done, stays focused and gives his all. One of my favourite players this season.

Also had a stumble on the ball early in the second when we were trying to play it out from the back.   So did Mings a few minutes later.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 26, 2019, 02:48:58 PM
They probably slipped on Targett's yack.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: usav on November 26, 2019, 02:51:19 PM
They probably slipped on Targett's yack.

Possibly.   I was starting to worry we had come out for the 2nd half with the intent to let Newcastle make a game of it, buy gifting them a comedy goal.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: darren woolley on November 26, 2019, 04:28:30 PM
I love watching Fred play being a right back myself he is a joy to watch him.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: john e on November 26, 2019, 04:32:39 PM
I love him

in the last few games heís had to mark Sterling, de Bruyne and that quick fella last night
of all our players heís probably had the toughest task and come through it well if not unscathed
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Edvard Remberg on November 26, 2019, 05:15:38 PM
Him on twitter to Targett

https://twitter.com/fredguilbert24/status/1199262268007079937?s=20
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 26, 2019, 06:22:53 PM
I like him, really good signing.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: West Derby Villan on November 26, 2019, 06:33:45 PM
I like him too, he is playing well, he's got the right attitude and is improving every match. 
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: wittonwarrior on November 26, 2019, 10:00:11 PM
He's had a few  hard games this season, particularly at Maine Road but he was outstanding last night.  Bit of an Earl Barrett
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: tomd2103 on November 26, 2019, 11:14:55 PM
He is an improvement on players we have had in that position in recent years and is still finding his feet in the top flight, but he still has a bit of a tendency to be loose both on the ball and defensively at times.  As I say, still early days though and hopefully he can tighten up those weaker areas and push on going forward.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 26, 2019, 11:16:39 PM
I like him, a very decent player and even up against very good players he does not give up.
Decent pace and good technique.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Hillbilly on January 22, 2020, 11:01:53 AM
Just thought Iíd boost this up from page 6 cos Fred added some real snap last night. Did a couple of proper tackles that let Watford know he was around and was always willing to bomb forward. The talking to that he gave Konsa at the end was funny too.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on January 22, 2020, 11:05:56 AM
I really like Fred, he was poor for the goal but so was Konsa who presumably should have been the one marking Deeney. Agree some of his tackling added an extra bit of steel to our game, his intervention in the box was brilliantly timed.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Edvard Remberg on January 22, 2020, 11:25:28 AM
And he had a swollen face with tooth problems,  which maybe got fixed,  as he posted in Instagram that he was looking for a tooth on the pitch.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Edvard Remberg on January 28, 2020, 11:05:22 PM
This guy is pretty good,  and good humor as well
https://twitter.com/fredguilbert24/status/1222287592621846529?s=19
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: FrankyH on January 28, 2020, 11:09:57 PM
And he had a swollen face with tooth problems,  which maybe got fixed,  as he posted in Instagram that he was looking for a tooth on the pitch.

It looked like he walked past the Villa Chippy when he was subbed . It seemed an age when he finally got to the dugout , Villa legend in the making though , I love him.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Villan82 on January 28, 2020, 11:15:23 PM
Thought he was class.

What a find.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 28, 2020, 11:21:23 PM
He's been up against some serious wingers recently and more than held his own. He'll have nothing to worry about come the summer. Superb find and excellent player on so many levels and one that no doubt will still improve.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: LukeJames on February 23, 2020, 04:13:39 PM

(https://i.ibb.co/726GBvT/Screenshot-20200223-161210.jpg) (https://ibb.co/726GBvT)


Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 23, 2020, 04:34:03 PM
Probably his poorest game for us yesterday.

Overall though he's one of our intake I wouldn't criticise. Think he's been good value for 4m.

Would keep him in for the final but put AEM infront of him.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 23, 2020, 04:38:53 PM
One of the worst performances I have seen by a Villa player.
No idea why he completed the game.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: TheMalandro on February 23, 2020, 04:43:52 PM
One of the worst performances I have seen by a Villa player.
No idea why he completed the game.

Agree, dire. At least he acknowledged it.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Pat McMahon on February 23, 2020, 09:54:37 PM
One of the worst performances I have seen by a Villa player.
No idea why he completed the game.

I think generally he has done well for us but yesterday he was abominable.

On MOTD they were laughing at his attempts to get back for the second goal, saying he should have tried to cut the angle rather than running in a straight line ď like he was sticking to his lane on an athletics trackĒ
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Villafirst on February 23, 2020, 10:17:55 PM
Alan Hutton: come out of retirement - we need you!
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on February 23, 2020, 10:42:47 PM
One of the worst performances I have seen by a Villa player.
No idea why he completed the game.

I think generally he has done well for us but yesterday he was abominable.

On MOTD they were laughing at his attempts to get back for the second goal, saying he should have tried to cut the angle rather than running in a straight line ď like he was sticking to his lane on an athletics trackĒ

Good of the former players and failed coaches to have a laugh at the expense of current strugglers. The words fish and barrel come to mind in a scenario like that.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: themossman on February 23, 2020, 10:49:39 PM
The mouth breathing bros on MOTD are never happier than when theyíre punching down. ****** to a man.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Drummond on February 24, 2020, 11:49:04 AM
Alan Hutton: come out of retirement - we need you!

Yeah, let's get Dunne and Collins back too, with Bruce as manager.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Demitri_C on March 03, 2020, 09:29:42 AM
Hearing gilbert saying he feels lonely as no other french speakers and that the "english" stick together is a bit sad to hear.

Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: brian green on March 03, 2020, 10:28:40 AM
He could always have a go at learning English.  It is spoken by one or two people on the planet.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Drummond on March 03, 2020, 12:06:50 PM
Hearing gilbert saying he feels lonely as no other french speakers and that the "english" stick together is a bit sad to hear.

Where did you hear that one please?
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: brian green on March 03, 2020, 12:16:46 PM
Madame Edith told him.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Risso on March 03, 2020, 12:22:05 PM
https://www.birmingham mail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-news-frederic-guilbert-17847976 (https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-news-frederic-guilbert-17847976)


Delete the space between the final 'm' in bimingham and the 'm' in mail.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 03, 2020, 01:04:45 PM
Quote
Frederic Guilbert has admitted Aston Villa have needed him more than he was expecting this season.

The French full-back agreed terms to sign in January but had to wait until the summer to complete his move after being loaned back to relegated Ligue 1 side Caen for the second half of last season.

He watched from afar as Villa won promotion via the Championship play-offs, beating Derby County at Wembley in May.

Guilbert has made 22 appearances in the Premier League this season as well as in four in the Carabao CupĖ more than any other Villa defender Ė having become Dean Smithís first-choice option on the right side.

ďI did not expect to play as many matches,Ē Guilbert told France Football (via Sport Witness) . ďI knew I was going through a very, very big move.

ďNow I have seized my chance. I hope to continue to keep this rhythm, and to improve myself further.Ē

But moving to a new country presents several challenges Ė none bigger than the language barrier.

ďThere are no French speakers,Ē he said. ďI had Jonathan Kodjia, who went to the Emirates (Qatar). I find myself a little lonely. But Iím easy going so itís fine.

ďWhere itís complicated is to make friends. Since we donít speak the language very well, the English often stay between themselves. Itís human nature to be like that.Ē

Asked about the difficulty that brings to his social life, Guilbert added: ďYes, this is where it is most complicated. We are only among ourselves, as a family.

ďItís hard here (speaking English). The accent in Birmingham is very pronounced, it is not obvious. But itís OK. I am not bilingual. I speak Franglish there, you see.Ē

Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Scovilla on March 03, 2020, 01:06:05 PM
He could always have a go at learning English.  It is spoken by one or two people on the planet.

Life is so simple!
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Demitri_C on March 03, 2020, 01:11:24 PM
He could always have a go at learning English.  It is spoken by one or two people on the planet.

Im sure he didnt think of that! I😉

Sounds like he needs support from his team mates. Bit worrying he is saying this publicly as he was here during pre season.

Hopefully he isnt unsettled as i think he is a good player. I think he would be brollaint in championship should we g down
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Duncan Shaw on March 03, 2020, 01:25:15 PM
Classic headline out of nothing....he quantifies it by saying it's fine.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Demitri_C on March 03, 2020, 01:44:04 PM
Classic headline out of nothing....he quantifies it by saying it's fine.

Just because he says its fine doesnt mean he is. Saying he is lonely is a tad concerning. He should feel part of the group . From those quotes sounds like he is abit isolated
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: aj2k77 on March 03, 2020, 01:56:26 PM
And that will be the problem if we go down. The core/heart of the side will leave and we will be left with players who are 'outsiders' for want of a better word. We will have to find and then mould another close core together as to stop us being just 11 blokes on a pitch and not a team which is always a hard thing.

We have to stay up.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Towser on March 03, 2020, 02:05:03 PM
I noticed pre game on Sunday, when the players were on the pitch in their suits, Luiz was on his own for most of his time on the pitch whilst all the others were in small groups of 3 or 4, Mings eventually went over to Luiz for a few seconds, then went back to Jack.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Ads on March 03, 2020, 02:07:49 PM
I noticed pre game on Sunday, when the players were on the pitch in their suits, Luiz was on his own for most of his time on the pitch whilst all the others were in small groups of 3 or 4, Mings eventually went over to Luiz for a few seconds, then went back to Jack.

That's because he had his earphones in.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on March 03, 2020, 02:09:10 PM
French players and Villa.  Havenít worked much.  I like Fred.  Vive Le Fred.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Towser on March 03, 2020, 02:09:58 PM
I noticed pre game on Sunday, when the players were on the pitch in their suits, Luiz was on his own for most of his time on the pitch whilst all the others were in small groups of 3 or 4, Mings eventually went over to Luiz for a few seconds, then went back to Jack.

That's because he had his earphones in.
Ha, couldnt see earphones from where I was. Just thought it strange at the time.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Mister E on March 03, 2020, 02:28:07 PM
French players and Villa.  Havenít worked much.  I like Fred.  Vive Le Fred.
Let's bring Veretout back!
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Demitri_C on March 03, 2020, 03:30:56 PM
And that will be the problem if we go down. The core/heart of the side will leave and we will be left with players who are 'outsiders' for want of a better word. We will have to find and then mould another close core together as to stop us being just 11 blokes on a pitch and not a team which is always a hard thing.

We have to stay up.

This is a great point. Those saying we will piss the league if we go down. Dont always work like that. Of you dont havw a team just individuals then mosg of the time it doesnt work.

Jacks our captain and mings another leader. If they both go we really are short of leaders in that dressing room.

Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 09, 2020, 10:43:55 PM
This guy is a complete liability defensively.
Time and again each game he gets beaten and by passed
Or he does the last ditch tackle because he was initially out of position
Tonight v Leicester just summed up his lacking in confidence and position awareness.
For me he was lucky to even be in the cup final and he was getting beaten all ends up tonight .
Elmo brought in to support him as he doesn't do his job.
I think it's time for Konsa or Elmo to play the right back and give Guilbert the bench time.
He relegated with French team last season and heading same way if he keeps stinking out the team.
Found his performance concerning tonight v Leicester
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Richard on March 09, 2020, 10:46:26 PM
Along with Luiz the worst performer tonight although there were several contenders
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: LukeJames on March 09, 2020, 10:48:10 PM
He cant play as a rb, looked much better as a rwb, same as Targett on the other side.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 09, 2020, 10:49:46 PM
Freddie has been below par for some time now .
I don't know how much he was wanted here and how much villa wanted him.
Maybe his agent is a relation of Suso or something
Ridiculous signing actually because he's getting worse each match now.
I seriously consider Konsa at right back
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 09, 2020, 10:49:55 PM
Just going through a poor run of form. I think for 3/4 of the season he's been decent and will be fine in championship.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on March 09, 2020, 10:51:03 PM
Hopeless tonight.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: ROBBO on March 09, 2020, 10:52:43 PM
Luiz is so slow.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Steve67 on March 09, 2020, 10:56:35 PM
Looks like he will suffer two straight relegations.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: phantom limb on March 09, 2020, 10:58:09 PM
I like him but he had a shocker, well and truly.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 09, 2020, 10:58:46 PM
I like him but he was shite tonight.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: tomd2103 on March 09, 2020, 11:00:42 PM
Hopeless tonight.

Looked like he completely gave up tonight, just as he did at Southampton when he was chasing back fit their 2nd goal.  I accept that others might disagree, but I don't rate him at all.  Defensively poor and gives the ball away far too often.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Brassneck on March 10, 2020, 12:11:44 AM
I always preferred Brie to this Guilbert
James Bree being developed would be better than this or even Alan Hutton.
Disappointed the owners didn't trust the young players

OMG

The team is full of young players -Luiz is younger than Bree as is Davis.  Of course young players are trusted.

Has any other PL team "trusted" Bree? Or any decent Championship side for that matter.

What is the obsession with young layers for?  The vast majority always end up in the lower leagues.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 10, 2020, 12:47:39 AM
I always preferred Brie to this Guilbert
James Bree being developed would be better than this or even Alan Hutton.
Disappointed the owners didn't trust the young players

OMG

The team is full of young players -Luiz is younger than Bree as is Davis.  Of course young players are trusted.

Has any other PL team "trusted" Bree? Or any decent Championship side for that matter.

What is the obsession with young layers for?  The vast majority always end up in the lower leagues.
Dean Smith is great with the young and up coming players.
I think his hands have been tied.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: aj2k77 on March 10, 2020, 12:48:10 AM
Fucking awful again tonight. I'm not sure what he thought he was doing but he got nowhere near his man time and time again and when he did he'd sit  5-10 yards off him and give him space to cross.

Abysmal. Needs dropping.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on March 10, 2020, 12:57:01 AM
Bree whoís now occupying 10th position in League two.  Yeh right.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Tuscans on March 10, 2020, 01:11:21 AM
He's soft as shite and lack any awareness of the opposition around him. That's why he's always chasing trying to make a slide tackle.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: OzVilla on March 10, 2020, 02:07:24 AM
He's a young player who was bought for the championship. He's going through a tough time playing in a dysfunctional side.  I think he'll be a good player eventually but like so many others he's just too inconsistent.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Luke8 on March 10, 2020, 08:39:34 AM
Bree whoís now occupying 10th position in League two.  Yeh right.

23rd in the Championship actually. But yeah, he is definitely not better than Guilbert.

On Freddy, like so many of our players he is capable of vastly inconsistent  displays. Donít think he had much help from how we were set up or Elmo last night but, equally, made some very basic errors himself - his decision to go and press a ball he was never going to get led directly to the penalty.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: john2710 on March 10, 2020, 08:49:41 PM
I don't know if he understood that last night he wasn't playing as a wing-back in a back 5. Was caught out of position every time. Worse than he was at Southampton and that was woeful.

I wonder if in time we'll hear stories about lack of coaching, integration etc....
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: colin69 on March 10, 2020, 09:19:42 PM
I rated him highly earlier in the season but he looked like he didnít care last night.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: mr underhill on March 11, 2020, 09:08:03 AM
Agree - looked great early doors but he's turned to shit.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Drummond on March 11, 2020, 09:52:53 AM
Sometimes players need a rest for a bit. Get out of the pressure cooker and get their heads right. I think that's where he is unfortunately.

I like him and we've seen enough to suggest he can come good it's just not the right place to be when you're struggling.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Risso on March 11, 2020, 09:57:06 AM
Sometimes players need a rest for a bit. Get out of the pressure cooker and get their heads right. I think that's where he is unfortunately.

I like him and we've seen enough to suggest he can come good it's just not the right place to be when you're struggling.

I agree, however the only realistic replacement is Elmo, and he was horrendous against Leicester.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Drummond on March 11, 2020, 10:18:59 AM
I was thinking exactly that as I was typing it. There's just not the strength in the depth, but that was the risk this season.

It's the same across the pitch and why I've sympathy for Smith. We just don't have decent enough replacements when things aren't going our way (and there are question marks over the first team anyway).

It's hard to coach tired players and stop them making mistakes.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 11, 2020, 11:36:35 AM
If Guilbert is failing to understand English then it can be difficult I can understand that in my early years in England however my football ability never suffered
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Mister E on March 11, 2020, 12:00:58 PM
Sometimes players need a rest for a bit. Get out of the pressure cooker and get their heads right. I think that's where he is unfortunately.

I like him and we've seen enough to suggest he can come good it's just not the right place to be when you're struggling.

I agree, however the only realistic replacement is Elmo, and he was horrendous against Leicester.

Konsa can do a role there.
And Engels or Taylor if pushed.
Heck I mean James Ward Prowse went in at right back v Villa and we never took advantage and he's a midfielder .
Young and Milner have done spells as full backs. Young played v Juve as full back other night Milner as full back v Bournemouth Saturday.
Lansbury could surprise a few to do a role.

You're getting desperate now, if you bring Ange into the conversation!
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Footy-Vill on June 09, 2020, 02:24:39 PM
If a player has accumulated 10 yellow cards by match-week 32 they will be handed a two-match ban!
Now Freddie , along with Jack, have 7 yellow cards. We have 3 matches before the deadline. Of the 2 he's capable of being booked in all 3! And both of course are a risk for a potential ban unless Premier league is scrapping the rule for project restart. Which I think they should not .
Bournemouth and Brighton have  Lerma and Dunk respectively on 9 cards.
Callum Wilson is on 8 , West Ham and Watford have Diop and Doucoure on 8 so maybe these relegation rivals have some of these players sit out 1 or 2 of their two matches otherwise they have suspension.

Quite frankly the last match against Leicester 4-0 loss he was absolutely woeful.
I think that summed up and  illustrated all the things I could see wrong with him and his deficiencies as a defender.

As much as Freddie has shown some great initiative going forward and all types of decent tackling his ill discipline always concerns me.
Some of the challenges this season, even the very good ones, come from rescue type missions and are those last ditch efforts or his pace has helped him get out of trouble.

Of course sometimes it hasn't helped with the lack of support from the wide attacker but , he will be picking up at least one yellow in our first 3 matches based on what I've seen of him this season. He can't help himself!
Guilbert to me can be reckless and liabilitiy for poorly timed challenges.
Though of course he has been mighty impressive with some tackling and flashes of football ability- I'm not convinced how much he's part of the group , or how much of a team player he is.

I hope Dean Smith has had the conversation and touched on where Freddie needs to work on - discipline and positioning.
I would have like to have heard what Dean Smith said to him after re watching the Leicester match and I think based on that he'll want Guilbert to put things right .
Personally I'm not averse to Elmo starting v Sheff Utd but I think he's more likely to come on and have the pace of Guilbert as the right sided defender. Be it wing back or otherwise.
We trust Dean and the coaching staff to use the friendly matches ,training and fitness levels to see who most suited to play and what formation Smith will be going for.

Sheffield Utd play 3-5-2 of course so will be interested to see how Villa play things.




Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: purpletrousers on July 21, 2020, 11:27:23 PM
Just going through a poor run of form. I think for 3/4 of the season he's been decent and will be fine in championship.

Sometimes players need a rest for a bit. Get out of the pressure cooker and get their heads right. I think that's where he is unfortunately.

I like him and we've seen enough to suggest he can come good it's just not the right place to be when you're struggling.

Was glad to see him back and obviously caring so much, just looked back at the last couple of pages as was curious to work out where heís disappeared to. Clearly fell badly out of favour but seized his chance tonight?
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 21, 2020, 11:27:55 PM
Thought he was brilliant.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 21, 2020, 11:30:04 PM
It still boggles the mind that with both Elmo and Guilbert for he was playing Konsa at RB. We have looked so much better since Hauseís injury. Would Dean have done that if he wasnít forced into it?
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: themossman on July 21, 2020, 11:31:31 PM
He was great. Got caught out a few times and had to break his neck to recover but thatís part of his game.

He plays with so much heart. There was one moment where he tackled back and got a goal kick and celebrated like heíd scored.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on July 21, 2020, 11:50:29 PM
Long live Rusty Freddie!
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: purpletrousers on July 21, 2020, 11:56:20 PM
It still boggles the mind that with both Elmo and Guilbert for he was playing Konsa at RB. We have looked so much better since Hauseís injury. Would Dean have done that if he wasnít forced into it?
Yup thatís the worry. I guess the rationale with Konsa was heís played there and a another bigger/more solid defender, but totally agree, forced changes have helped us.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Edvard Remberg on July 22, 2020, 12:01:30 AM
Long live Rusty Freddie!
That's his name from now on! Cult personality name...
We just need to make sure that we have a drink called Rusty Freddie, and not the other thing
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 22, 2020, 12:05:42 AM
Managers get lucky sometimes, SGT admitted the 3 at the back that nearly won the league was never planned until he had to play them and realised it worked. Same with Sir Brian, it was only an injury to Townsend at West Ham that led to Johnson playing behind Savo and Yorke.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on July 22, 2020, 12:06:13 AM
If I start my own microbrewery, that would be the very first beer that I brewed. A reddish coloured session bitter. Lovely...

Iíve had too many of them tonight already. In case you canít tell... I fear sleep will be tricky for a while though!
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: David_Nab on July 22, 2020, 12:14:00 AM
I think we got lucky he came on , his extra pace really helped out especially in the 2nd half when Tierney came on who got nothing out of Freddie
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 22, 2020, 12:16:00 AM
I've always liked him. I like Elmo too but, clearly, Gilbo is more likely to be an option for us long-term, though I'd be quite happy with both staying next season, regardless of which division we are in.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: dave17 on July 22, 2020, 01:23:35 AM
Heís got genuine pace which we lack. His ability to overlap with Luiz now being able to fill in when he bursts forward gives us a really good option
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 22, 2020, 03:06:14 AM
Heís a good player who adds a lot.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: darren woolley on July 22, 2020, 12:02:43 PM
I also thought he was brilliant when he came on.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 09, 2020, 08:34:39 AM
Freddie has posted how much he loves our club and country on that insta thingy today.  Canít understand the apparent clamour to get rid.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: chrisw1 on September 09, 2020, 08:38:25 AM
Freddie has posted how much he loves our club and country on that insta thingy today.  Canít understand the apparent clamour to get rid.
I've seen screenshots of the post but can't find the actual post (with that said I don't really get insta so may have missed it).  Hope it's true as I like him and want him to stay.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 09, 2020, 08:40:01 AM
https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2020/09/09/aston-villa-player-sends-instagram-message-to-clarify-his-future-amid-rumours/
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: chrisw1 on September 09, 2020, 08:51:00 AM
https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2020/09/09/aston-villa-player-sends-instagram-message-to-clarify-his-future-amid-rumours/
Yeah I've seen that.  What I meant is I looked on Freddies Insta and can't find the original post it refers to.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 09, 2020, 08:54:30 AM
Oh right I donít really do insta.  I mean Iím on there but I donít really do it as such.  Maybe it wasnít real.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Drummond on September 09, 2020, 09:08:58 AM
It's not in his feed. It could have been a story thing and in for 24 hours only mind...
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Risso on September 09, 2020, 09:11:04 AM
https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2020/09/09/aston-villa-player-sends-instagram-message-to-clarify-his-future-amid-rumours/

What utter bollocks.  Firstly, I really hope he stays, and secondly if we do sell him, £5m?  Fuck off, he's worth loads more than that.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Mister E on September 09, 2020, 09:13:09 AM
Bringing Cash into the squad shouldn't be a problem for Freddie. We say last season that we can play 2 attacking fullbacks on the right and be  very effective. It just means that we may have a more flexible approach to manning the right hand side of the team.
I think Freddie has massive potential to be a very good player indeed.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Drummond on September 09, 2020, 09:17:56 AM
I agree. They both have pace, can cross the ball and that's what we need right?
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Risso on September 09, 2020, 09:29:48 AM
I agree. They both have pace, can cross the ball and that's what we need right?

Yep.  I'd say he's probably the quickest player in the squad, and in a team not blessed with a lot of quick players, that's important.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: fbriai on September 09, 2020, 09:59:38 AM
Completely agree. The competition should be good for both of them.

There are others we should be replacing before contemplating moving Guilbert on.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: brontebilly on September 09, 2020, 10:46:10 AM
I wonder could he do a job at left back for us? Seems reasonably two footed but it's not a move I'm generally keen on. Don't think it did Luke Young any favours long term for us.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Drummond on September 09, 2020, 10:56:21 AM
I wonder could he do a job at left back for us? Seems reasonably two footed but it's not a move I'm generally keen on. Don't think it did Luke Young any favours long term for us.

Havign watched the Cash showreel thingy, he's all right foot. So there's a risky swap.. Unless we go three at the back and have two wing backs with pace and crossing ability....
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: in exile on September 09, 2020, 11:33:03 AM
I wonder could he do a job at left back for us? Seems reasonably two footed but it's not a move I'm generally keen on. Don't think it did Luke Young any favours long term for us.

Havign watched the Cash showreel thingy, he's all right foot. So there's a risky swap.. Unless we go three at the back and have two wing backs with pace and crossing ability....
...unless he means Freddie is reasonably two footed.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: paul_e on September 09, 2020, 11:57:47 AM
I wonder could he do a job at left back for us? Seems reasonably two footed but it's not a move I'm generally keen on. Don't think it did Luke Young any favours long term for us.

Havign watched the Cash showreel thingy, he's all right foot. So there's a risky swap.. Unless we go three at the back and have two wing backs with pace and crossing ability....
...unless he means Freddie is reasonably two footed.

That's how I read it.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: john e on September 09, 2020, 12:03:49 PM
Smith donít like Guilbert he was playing other players in his position after lockdown until injuries forced his hand

if we sell Guilbert for chip money it would be an absolute joke of the worst kind
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: OCD on September 09, 2020, 12:13:47 PM
Guilbert looked excellent in the last 4 games. It does no harm to have an alternative option if his form drops and he has to work hard to get back into the team. That's only going to make him better.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 09, 2020, 12:14:17 PM
I thought Freddie was still injured after lockdown, John? I for one hope he stays. It would be madness to sell him now. Matty Cash may have the potential but it's a massive step up as we discovered last season.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Ger Regan on September 09, 2020, 12:15:12 PM
It would be mad to sell Guilbert, especially at the price suggested.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: olaftab on September 09, 2020, 12:17:04 PM
I like Freddie and we need to keep him. Selling will be a mistake.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: olaftab on September 09, 2020, 12:19:27 PM
https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2020/09/09/aston-villa-player-sends-instagram-message-to-clarify-his-future-amid-rumours/
Good message  and I also like the reporters name A mir mir.:)
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: fbriai on September 09, 2020, 12:31:34 PM
I wonder could he do a job at left back for us? Seems reasonably two footed but it's not a move I'm generally keen on. Don't think it did Luke Young any favours long term for us.

I think we'd more likely put Hause there in the event of Targett or Taylor both being unavailable. Interesting idea though.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: LeeB on September 09, 2020, 12:33:20 PM
Didn't I read when we signed Freddie that he can play centre half as well?
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Edvard Remberg on September 09, 2020, 12:36:31 PM
Freddie has posted how much he loves our club and country on that insta thingy today.  Canít understand the apparent clamour to get rid.
I've seen screenshots of the post but can't find the actual post (with that said I don't really get insta so may have missed it).  Hope it's true as I like him and want him to stay.
It was on his story, saw it last night.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 09, 2020, 12:37:59 PM
I actually think Cash will play RM in front of Freddie at times. Freddie isnít going anywhere
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: chrisw1 on September 09, 2020, 12:39:45 PM
Freddie has posted how much he loves our club and country on that insta thingy today.  Canít understand the apparent clamour to get rid.
I've seen screenshots of the post but can't find the actual post (with that said I don't really get insta so may have missed it).  Hope it's true as I like him and want him to stay.
It was on his story, saw it last night.
Excellent, thanks Edvard
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Edvard Remberg on September 09, 2020, 12:59:51 PM
Freddie has posted how much he loves our club and country on that insta thingy today.  Canít understand the apparent clamour to get rid.
I've seen screenshots of the post but can't find the actual post (with that said I don't really get insta so may have missed it).  Hope it's true as I like him and want him to stay.
It was on his story, saw it last night.
Excellent, thanks Edvard
It is still there -
https://www.instagram.com/fredguilbert02/

Click on his "profile pic" to see the story.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 09, 2020, 02:56:42 PM
Could Freddie not play on the right wing?  Heís certainly quick enough?
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Mister E on September 09, 2020, 02:58:44 PM
Could Freddie not play on the right wing?  Heís certainly quick enough?
He and Cash may well play together on the right, interchanging between defensive and attacking duties.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: olaftab on September 09, 2020, 04:30:00 PM
Elmor? Have we signed another player whilst I wasn't looking?
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 09, 2020, 05:35:09 PM
I actually think Cash will play RM in front of Freddie at times. Freddie isnít going anywhere

I actually think not.
And yes Freddie isn't going anywhere but the bench or exit door.

Cash clearly signed as a right back.  That's his place and that's the upgrade.
Trying to shoe horn Guilbert in is to me not realistic or good use of the squad players.

Now that whole Cash and Guilbet thing may be used for the last 10/15 minutes of a game / if there's an injury crisis or cup experiment but I see no way as Cash and Guilbert being  starting much together on the pitch or really ever playing together.



Itís not clear at all. You donít know what heís been signed as. None of us do until he plays. RB or WB is likely his best position but when you have two very offensive players vying for the same role, then depending on the situation we could play both on that side. Or even Cash as an inside right midfielder.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: eamonn on September 09, 2020, 05:45:37 PM
At the expense of who in midfield though? Grealish, Doug and McGinn will always play you'd imagine. Probably just leaves the Trezeguet/El Ghazi and Hourihane/Nakamba slots up for grabs but I'd expect that to be filled by a new winger and a new midfielder/Hourihane.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 09, 2020, 05:50:55 PM
I actually think Cash will play RM in front of Freddie at times. Freddie isnít going anywhere

I actually think not.
And yes Freddie isn't going anywhere but the bench or exit door.

Cash clearly signed as a right back.  That's his place and that's the upgrade.
Trying to shoe horn Guilbert in is to me not realistic or good use of the squad players.

Now that whole Cash and Guilbet thing may be used for the last 10/15 minutes of a game / if there's an injury crisis or cup experiment but I see no way as Cash and Guilbert being  starting much together on the pitch or really ever playing together.



Itís not clear at all. You donít know what heís been signed as. None of us do until he plays. RB or WB is likely his best position but when you have two very offensive players vying for the same role, then depending on the situation we could play both on that side. Or even Cash as an inside right midfielder.
Yes I totally do actually and so does everyone else.
Dean Smith makes it very clear
"We are delighted to welcome Matty to Villa and believe we have secured one of England's brightest young prospects.

"He has an excellent playing record for a young player and we believe he will settle in easily and continue his rapid development into a top full-back."

Thank you once again I know exactly what I'm talking about Cash is a full back
We don't sign one of the brightest prospects in that position and then play him midfield !! Come on now.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 09, 2020, 05:51:34 PM
At the expense of who in midfield though? Grealish, Doug and McGinn will always play you'd imagine. Probably just leaves the Trezeguet/El Ghazi and Hourihane/Nakamba slots up for grabs but I'd expect that to be filled by a new winger and a new midfielder/Hourihane.

Outside of some critical goals by Trez after the break the right side of our team has hardly been rich with ability and talent. Both Trez and struggled for large parts of the season. So Cashís versatility offers another option out wide.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on September 09, 2020, 05:51:38 PM
At the expense of who in midfield though? Grealish, Doug and McGinn will always play you'd imagine. Probably just leaves the Trezeguet/El Ghazi and Hourihane/Nakamba slots up for grabs but I'd expect that to be filled by a new winger and a new midfielder/Hourihane.

This needs to be not set in stone. McGinn's not ripped up many trees this side of New Year, and Luiz' performances post-lockdown speak as much of his relative form beforehand. Nobody should be undroppable.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: darren woolley on September 09, 2020, 05:56:28 PM
I would keep Freddie I like him.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: john e on September 09, 2020, 06:08:39 PM
I fear that Guilbert is to Smith what Grealish is to Southgate

for whatever reason he just don't like/rate him

I think Smith will get shot of him if he gets the chance which will be a major mistake in my view but managers will see what they see like Southgate
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Mister E on September 09, 2020, 06:13:32 PM
At the expense of who in midfield though? Grealish, Doug and McGinn will always play you'd imagine. Probably just leaves the Trezeguet/El Ghazi and Hourihane/Nakamba slots up for grabs but I'd expect that to be filled by a new winger and a new midfielder/Hourihane.

Outside of some critical goals by Trez after the break the right side of our team has hardly been rich with ability and talent. Both Trez and struggled for large parts of the season. So Cashís versatility offers another option out wide.
TV Dean Smith said he's signed up as a full back.
Have to hold your hands up that you're wrong on this one.
DS has said that .... and ....
all teams and players need to be flexible in their set-up and role these days.
I wouldn't rule out Guilbert and Cash being used flexibly (if Guilbert hasn't been sold, of course) just as Elmo and Guilbert were last season.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 09, 2020, 06:14:04 PM
Could Freddie not play on the right wing?  Heís certainly quick enough?
He and Cash may well play together on the right, interchanging between defensive and attacking duties.

We're going to miss Elmo's crossing ability should he leave. Cash linked up well with Lolley allowing him to cut inside but according to Forest fans, he's great at bombing forward, even better defending, roughs up the opposition wingers but his biggest weakness is crossing the ball.

I guess we'll soon find out.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 09, 2020, 06:18:10 PM
At the expense of who in midfield though? Grealish, Doug and McGinn will always play you'd imagine. Probably just leaves the Trezeguet/El Ghazi and Hourihane/Nakamba slots up for grabs but I'd expect that to be filled by a new winger and a new midfielder/Hourihane.

Outside of some critical goals by Trez after the break the right side of our team has hardly been rich with ability and talent. Both Trez and struggled for large parts of the season. So Cashís versatility offers another option out wide.
TV Dean Smith said he's signed up as a full back.
Have to hold your hands up that you're wrong on this one.

We signed Konsa as a CB and heís played RB. Jack has played across the midfield and on the left wing. Just because a player is signed as RB, which as I pointed out is his primary position doesnít mean it will always be the case. Elmo has been versatile enough to play both wide right positions. Cash has done that for Forest also.

So simmer down with your you know more than everyone nonsense. You may well be right and thatís the only position he ever plays for us. But with a very good FB in Guilbert on the books and Elmo, itís entirely possible the manager could play him in a position other than the one he was bought primarily for.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: N'ZMAV on September 09, 2020, 06:34:37 PM
we do need a keeper...
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 09, 2020, 06:42:36 PM
But with a very good FB in Guilbert on the books and Elmo, itís entirely possible the manager could play him in a position other than the one he was bought primarily for.

I'm still struggling to understand why the left back spot wasn't given higher priority. As you say, we already had 2 very good right backs on the books. On the left we have one that can defend but can't attack and the other can't defend and is okay attacking. Maybe Dean plans to play Targett in the easier games and Taylor in the tough ones?
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: danno on September 09, 2020, 06:51:29 PM
I fear that Guilbert is to Smith what Grealish is to Southgate

for whatever reason he just don't like/rate him

I think Smith will get shot of him if he gets the chance which will be a major mistake in my view but managers will see what they see like Southgate

Yeah I do think you're right. I won't be surprised if Guilbert goes before the window ends or in January.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 09, 2020, 06:52:27 PM
But with a very good FB in Guilbert on the books and Elmo, itís entirely possible the manager could play him in a position other than the one he was bought primarily for.

I'm still struggling to understand why the left back spot wasn't given higher priority. As you say, we already had 2 very good right backs on the books. On the left we have one that can defend but can't attack and the other can't defend and is okay attacking. Maybe Dean plans to play Targett in the easier games and Taylor in the tough ones?

Absolutely agree. I accept Cash could very well be the best of the bunch, and Elmo likely only has a year left at this level, or could be moved now if a good offer came in. But Targett for me is a very solid back up. We need better quality at that position. And as much as Taylor didnít completely embarrass himself, neither he or Elmo in their later years are even squad FBís at a PL club if we are to climb the table.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on September 09, 2020, 07:28:04 PM
At the expense of who in midfield though? Grealish, Doug and McGinn will always play you'd imagine. Probably just leaves the Trezeguet/El Ghazi and Hourihane/Nakamba slots up for grabs but I'd expect that to be filled by a new winger and a new midfielder/Hourihane.

Outside of some critical goals by Trez after the break the right side of our team has hardly been rich with ability and talent. Both Trez and struggled for large parts of the season. So Cashís versatility offers another option out wide.
TV Dean Smith said he's signed up as a full back.
Have to hold your hands up that you're wrong on this one.
It's called "competition" for places, or cover!
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Clampy on September 09, 2020, 07:39:08 PM
I fear that Guilbert is to Smith what Grealish is to Southgate

for whatever reason he just don't like/rate him

I think Smith will get shot of him if he gets the chance which will be a major mistake in my view but managers will see what they see like Southgate

I'm not sure about that. He played nearly 30 games in total last season. Not quite up there with Southgate dislike really.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: brian green on September 09, 2020, 07:47:28 PM
Francophobe British managers are not uncommon.  We have had one or two such
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: john e on September 09, 2020, 08:00:07 PM
I fear that Guilbert is to Smith what Grealish is to Southgate

for whatever reason he just don't like/rate him

I think Smith will get shot of him if he gets the chance which will be a major mistake in my view but managers will see what they see like Southgate

I'm not sure about that. He played nearly 30 games in total last season. Not quite up there with Southgate dislike really.

Well I hope your right Clampy and my observations are wrong
Iíd be gutted to see him moved on
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: VILLA MOLE on September 09, 2020, 08:04:41 PM
I fear that Guilbert is to Smith what Grealish is to Southgate

for whatever reason he just don't like/rate him


I think Smith will get shot of him if he gets the chance which will be a major mistake in my view but managers will see what they see like Southgate

I'm not sure about that. He played nearly 30 games in total last season. Not quite up there with Southgate dislike really.

Well I hope your right Clampy and my observations are wrong
Iíd be gutted to see him moved on


He ( like a few ) did have a wobble in form but seemed to come back at the end
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: DrGonzo on September 09, 2020, 08:07:28 PM
I can't see the reason Guillbert would be let go unless it is for personal reasons.  Elmo is reaching the end and Freddy showed enough in his first season to deserve another.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Gary Penrice on September 09, 2020, 08:30:47 PM
Seems pretty obvious that Smith (and a few on here) doesn't like/rate Guillbert which is pathetic really. Elmo can't go on forever so having Guillbert & Cash challenging for the starting space makes sense. I'll be disappointed if we let him go but if we do we need to get as much money as possible for him! 
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: N'ZMAV on September 09, 2020, 08:36:23 PM
same with Engels
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: paul_e on September 09, 2020, 09:01:00 PM
Seems pretty obvious that Smith (and a few on here) doesn't like/rate Guillbert which is pathetic really. Elmo can't go on forever so having Guillbert & Cash challenging for the starting space makes sense. I'll be disappointed if we let him go but if we do we need to get as much money as possible for him! 

I don't see it, personally I think Cash was signed with more than just this season in mind. If we can keep him and and Guilbert happy then the right side of our defence is sorted for 6-7 years. As good as Elmo has been for us he's 33 now (as in today according to wikipedia, Happy Birthday Elmo!) so we'll need to replace him before long.

The idea of predicting performance jumps in players has been discussed on here before but it's equally important to try to judge when a player is due a drop off because it often happens quickly that someone goes from OK to not having the legs for it anymore. Apparently the average retirement age is 35 so Elmo is definitely on the downward slope now.

On that basis if Cash fits the bill for Smith and was available it makes sense to go for him, even if he was happy with Guilbert.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: OCD on September 09, 2020, 09:11:17 PM
For those that follow the youth team, how close is Kaine Kesler to getting into the first team?
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: paul_e on September 09, 2020, 09:12:53 PM
For those that follow the youth team, how close is Kaine Kesler to getting into the first team?

probably 2-3 years at least.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: OCD on September 09, 2020, 09:17:13 PM
Thanks. So it's not that then.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: jwarry on October 10, 2020, 01:11:16 PM
Not quite sure what to make of this. Telling a player he is third choice doesnít sound like good motivation, but alternatively at least Dean is honest! Wonder what it is he doesnít like about him?

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-transfers-frederic-guilbert-19083590
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: dave shelley on October 10, 2020, 01:26:51 PM
Not quite sure what to make of this. Telling a player he is third choice doesnít sound like good motivation, but alternatively at least Dean is honest! Wonder what it is he doesnít like about him?

https://www.xxxx.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-transfers-frederic-guilbert-19083590

Garlic.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Edvard Remberg on October 10, 2020, 01:39:23 PM
He is one of my favorite players - not sure why he is seen as a poor player?

Though, it is a Villa thing (or general) that players aren't given the time to adapt and improve. Queue : Amavi, Veretout, Ayew, Douglas Luiz, Konsa etc etc luckily we have the last 2.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: eamonn on October 10, 2020, 01:49:38 PM
Link doesn't load. XXX...is it football porn ?
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: richtheholtender on October 10, 2020, 02:46:33 PM
I like Elmo but rating him above Gilbert is a bit extreme especially when you consider that Elmo will do will to be here longer than the end of the season.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: N'ZMAV on October 10, 2020, 03:11:13 PM
they'll both do well to be here longer than this season
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Ian. on October 10, 2020, 10:09:10 PM
I like both Elmo and Freddie, itís a tough one. Both proper good pros with great attitude and abilities. However I do like the fact we saw Cash was available and itís an area we didnít have to improve but we thought fuck it heís too good to miss out on.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Brend'Watkins on October 10, 2020, 11:24:48 PM
He is one of my favorite players - not sure why he is seen as a poor player?

Though, it is a Villa thing (or general) that players aren't given the time to adapt and improve. Queue : Amavi, Veretout, Ayew, Douglas Luiz, Konsa etc etc luckily we have the last 2.

You make a good point Edvard. I think Guilbert is an excellent player too. But occasionally his judgement or concentration is poor and it costs us. We have a team of people at Bodymoor who are watching him and comparing him to others who they have more trust in. If he wants to get back up the pecking order he needs to improve in the areas where he has issues.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: KevinGage on October 11, 2020, 06:33:42 AM
I like both Elmo and Freddie, itís a tough one. Both proper good pros with great attitude and abilities. However I do like the fact we saw Cash was available and itís an area we didnít have to improve but we thought fuck it heís too good to miss out on.

I think that's it. 

Left back would have been preferable in the current running order of needing to strengthen. But if Cash becomes our first choice right back for 5 plus years that won't really matter.

If it was one or two other managers I'd suggest telling Guilbert he was third choice would be a motivation ploy. But Smith isn't really that sort. If he's told Freddy he's third choice it's prob because that's how he sees him.

I don't fully get it and I'd be sad to see him leave.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: KevinGage on October 11, 2020, 06:45:24 AM
The other thing is Matty Cash has played left mid before for Forest so there's an argument to try him at left back at some point.

Not now, obv. If it ain't broke don't fix. 

But I'd be more comfortable with him and Guilbert getting up and down and patrolling the wing rather than Taylor (just pish) or Targett smiling that shit eating grin as players breeze past him on t' other flank.

As well as being quick, Freddy has that bit of needle to his game where he's quite comfortable kicking lumps out of the opposition winger. Always a plus in my book.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Aldridge Villa on October 11, 2020, 07:27:11 AM
Got a lot of time for Freddie. Plenty of fire in his belly and I sensed he enjoyed playing for the Villa and knew what weíre all about.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Villafirst on October 11, 2020, 09:09:30 AM
Freddie should be number 2 choice. Much as I like Elmo, he's comin to the end of his Villa Park tenure. Freddie is younger and with more energy.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: richtheholtender on October 11, 2020, 09:15:35 AM
The other thing is Matty Cash has played left mid before for Forest so there's an argument to try him at left back at some point.

Not now, obv. If it ain't broke don't fix. 

But I'd be more comfortable with him and Guilbert getting up and down and patrolling the wing rather than Taylor (just pish) or Targett smiling that shit eating grin as players breeze past him on t' other flank.

As well as being quick, Freddy has that bit of needle to his game where he's quite comfortable kicking lumps out of the opposition winger. Always a plus in my book.



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Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: lukey27 on October 11, 2020, 09:27:07 AM
I think the Leicester defeat was probably the final straw with Guilbert and Smith. Yes he wasn't alone, but he was positionally awful that night. Wandering up field, drifting in. Just my impression, but don't think Smith feels he can trust him.

I think there's a decent player in there, but also think he's massively overrated amongst Villa fans. Noticeable how much more of a threat we've looked down that side since Cash came in.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Tom Stewart on October 11, 2020, 09:37:53 AM
One of the most overrated players we've ever had IMO.

He's positionally all over the place and technically a very average player, he's not young either, turning 26 in December.

Elmo offers so much more as a second choice (potential for assists with crosses from deep, emergency cover at CB and RW, aerial strength, leadership skills...).

Smith is absolutely right on this one.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: john e on October 11, 2020, 10:04:25 AM
One of the most overrated players we've ever had IMO.

He's positionally all over the place and technically a very average player, he's not young either, turning 26 in December.

Elmo offers so much more as a second choice (potential for assists with crosses from deep, emergency cover at CB and RW, aerial strength, leadership skills...).

Smith is absolutely right on this one.

each to there own I suppose

but I donít understand or agree with any of that
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Clampy on October 11, 2020, 10:10:18 AM
I don't think Guilbert is anywhere near as bad as Tom is making out but I can see why Smith might want someone like Elmo on the bench.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Tom Stewart on October 11, 2020, 10:34:45 AM
Maybe I've gone too far the other way but it just annoys me how much love he gets!

Compared to someone like Taylor, say, who gets so much stick despite being a similar level of player IMO - a trier but limited in lots of ways. I always think he should start doing 3/4 slidies a game and watch the love roll in ;)
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: themossman on October 11, 2020, 10:46:52 AM
Torn on Freddy. Heís had really good games and I love his passion and attitude.

But I feel a bit like if he'd had more games weíd have a different view of him. I reckon he did about as well as El Ghazi last season, if you ignore the intangibles like attitude. And was similarly patchy, which is a much bigger issue in a defender.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Ad@m on October 11, 2020, 10:52:52 AM
I like Guilbert.  He's got the raw materials to make an excellent modern day full/wing back. He's blisteringly quick, can put a cross in, can take a player on, and is aggressive in defence when he needs to be. Yes, positionally he can be a bit haphazard, but that's something he can learn. The rest isn't.

Elmo is a safer pair of hands if we need to tighten up towards the end of a game, but if Cash got injured I'd much rather see Guilbert take his place than Elmo.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Axl Rose on October 11, 2020, 11:21:53 AM
Don't like Elmohamady at all. Never have, never will. But can see his uses.

Guilbert, yes. I think his pace is what does it for me.



Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: eamonn on October 11, 2020, 11:44:31 AM
Not in a position where we can justify having three right full backs when we only play a game week until Christmas. Can see him being loaned out to Derby County or someone. Might do him good training with Wazza for a few months.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: algy on October 11, 2020, 12:08:23 PM
Another thing is that realistically Freddie is one of the few non-first-choice players we have where there's adequate backup and we could potentially get someone to pay us money for him.

Don't think we're in anything like a sell-to-buy type situation, but whilst i think we've done the right thing in releasing Nyland & Jota, we really want to be in a situation where we sell players for money rather than paying them to leave.

Don't get me wrong, I prefer Freddie to Elmo, but I'm starting to come round to the idea that now's the right time to sell him.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: paul_e on October 11, 2020, 12:22:13 PM
I'd be ok with Freddie going on loan for a year and then review it next summer but if we sell him we'll be looking for another right back against at that point because I can't see elmo lasting much longer than that as a top flight player.

Keep him and then in a couple of years it may well be that one of the options in U23/U18 teams is ready to step in as a backup for Cash but I doubt we'll be there in less than a year. I don't think freddie has let us down or shown himself to be short of the quality needed so I'd rather we were thinking 3-4 windows ahead with this one.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Ad@m on October 11, 2020, 01:17:07 PM
There's definitely a place for him in the Premier League - he's no worse than Matt Lowton and he's on 170-odd Premier League games and counting.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Risso on October 11, 2020, 01:36:15 PM
Maybe I've gone too far the other way but it just annoys me how much love he gets!

Compared to someone like Taylor, say, who gets so much stick despite being a similar level of player IMO - a trier but limited in lots of ways. I always think he should start doing 3/4 slidies a game and watch the love roll in ;)

Guilbert is much, much, much, much better than Taylor.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: paul_e on October 11, 2020, 02:28:45 PM
Maybe I've gone too far the other way but it just annoys me how much love he gets!

Compared to someone like Taylor, say, who gets so much stick despite being a similar level of player IMO - a trier but limited in lots of ways. I always think he should start doing 3/4 slidies a game and watch the love roll in ;)

Guilbert is much, much, much, much better than Taylor.

and not because he makes a few slide tackles, his touch, passing and attacking intent are all miles better and defensively there's not much between them.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 11, 2020, 02:46:42 PM
I like Guilbert.  He's got the raw materials to make an excellent modern day full/wing back. He's blisteringly quick, can put a cross in, can take a player on, and is aggressive in defence when he needs to be. Yes, positionally he can be a bit haphazard, but that's something he can learn. The rest isn't.

Elmo is a safer pair of hands if we need to tighten up towards the end of a game, but if Cash got injured I'd much rather see Guilbert take his place than Elmo.

Elmo is in because of his versatility.  It's a bit harsh on Guilbert, in that I would argue that were positions that needed strengthening before right back, but there we are.

Right now Guilbert is third choice for RB but I imagine next season Elmo will move on and heíll then be the main back up to Cash. In fairness Cash has been excellent and Elmo is just a more versatile player to put on the bench. I like Freddie and hope he doesnít decide to move on. Heís never let us down. And compared to Neil Taylor he is Dani Alves
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: john e on October 11, 2020, 03:34:53 PM
Elmos 33 Guilbert is 25

I know which ones the best bet for the future
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: RamboandBruno on October 11, 2020, 04:00:51 PM
I like Guilbert, mainly for his commitment in the tackle and seeming passion for the cause. Saying all that and itís only 3 games in, Iím far more impressed with Cash already. I honestly donít remember Guilbert putting in that many good crosses last season and Cash has put quite a few already.
As for Elmo, steady, reliable, great cross on him, probably a leader in the dressing room.
It seems like Smith has made his mind up on Guilbert, so I guess heíll either be sold, or loaned out with the hope he can be a decent understudy to cash once Elmo leaves.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Tom Stewart on October 11, 2020, 04:18:14 PM
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Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Tom Stewart on October 11, 2020, 04:22:58 PM
Maybe I've gone too far the other way but it just annoys me how much love he gets!

Compared to someone like Taylor, say, who gets so much stick despite being a similar level of player IMO - a trier but limited in lots of ways. I always think he should start doing 3/4 slidies a game and watch the love roll in ;)

Guilbert is much, much, much, much better than Taylor.

and not because he makes a few slide tackles, his touch, passing and attacking intent are all miles better and defensively there's not much between them.

Not for me, he is technically very average and his passing under pressure is woeful. He gets forward more than Taylor but it rarely comes to anything and then he canít get back.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: brontebilly on October 11, 2020, 07:43:12 PM
I think if Guilbert is patient he may get another chance. Elmo is a great pro but hasn't much time left at the club. I might be the only one but I haven't been that impressed with Cash thus far, certainly defensively. It might be left back where Guilbert gets a chance next. He just needs to be ready. Was very impressive when he came in cold v Arsenal at the back end of last season.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Percy McCarthy on October 11, 2020, 08:12:00 PM
I think if Guilbert is patient he may get another chance. Elmo is a great pro but hasn't much time left at the club. I might be the only one but I haven't been that impressed with Cash thus far, certainly defensively. It might be left back where Guilbert gets a chance next. He just needs to be ready. Was very impressive when he came in cold v Arsenal at the back end of last season.

Yes. Had a great game in a performance that will probably go down as more important than the 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' massacre.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on October 12, 2020, 05:51:08 AM
The French right-back shared his thoughts on his current situation at Villa Park and went on to add, ďAt the moment, I donít play at all. I was told that I was the third choice for the position, and itís the managers choice that must be respected. I donít think they were completely honest with me on all points of view going into (this) season.Ē
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: in exile on October 12, 2020, 12:05:21 PM
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Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: danno on October 12, 2020, 12:14:57 PM
I don't mind Guilbert, but I can't see it being some horrific clanger that we'll rue forever more if he leaves.
Him being better than Taylor is a fair point, but I'm fairly certain he won't be here after this season either.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: PeterWithe on October 12, 2020, 12:17:43 PM
It was pretty shit for most of last season, he was far from the worst player so his treatment seems a bit puzzling, likewise Engels.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: eamonn on October 12, 2020, 03:46:58 PM
He shouldn't be talking casual to L'Equipe or whoever during quiet club times about management not being straight with him. Just knuckle down at Bodymoor and earn yer £27k basic a week.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on October 12, 2020, 03:50:50 PM
As idiotic as it is with him being 3rd choice, you're right Eamonn, he should keep his mouth shut. It really does him no favours, not that things could get much worse for him right now.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: eamonn on October 12, 2020, 04:11:08 PM
Unless of course this was one of Kippax's classic 'inventing quotes' for effect posts  ;)
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on October 12, 2020, 04:31:03 PM
I don't think it was speaking casually. It would seem he was spoken to by a Normandy local radio station following a loan move to Nantes not happening.
https://rmcsport.bfmtv.com/football/mercato-guilbert-raconte-son-depart-avorte-a-nantes-et-peste-contre-aston-villa-1988741.html
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on October 12, 2020, 06:04:53 PM
He's passionate, committed and loves to tackle. I get why he is popular and I like him, but he is limited in ability (not unlike Hutton - also very popular).

Though it's far from outrageous to say he is our third choice RB. I've said previously that we are not going to register three RBs in our squad of 25, especially when CBs (like Konsa) can also cover RB.

Cash is first choice and Elmo is a reliable back-up with limited value if we were to sell.

Though with Guilbert we should make a profit. The sensible decision all day long, i.e. head over heart is to sell him if we get a decent offer.

Some will say he has potential and is worth hanging onto, but if we are to improve at the rate that we want, Guilbert is not a priority.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: LeeB on October 12, 2020, 06:52:07 PM
We're going to have to get used to decent players being left out of we're to become the team we want to be.

Both Heaton and Guilbert have been upgraded on within 12 months of turning up, harsh on both (and Heaton's case bad luck), but that's the way it is.

For me, it's more evidence for the suspicion that we are not fucking about, and is most welcome.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: RamboandBruno on October 12, 2020, 08:40:36 PM
He's passionate, committed and loves to tackle. I get why he is popular and I like him, but he is limited in ability (not unlike Hutton - also very popular).

Though it's far from outrageous to say he is our third choice RB. I've said previously that we are not going to register three RBs in our squad of 25, especially when CBs (like Konsa) can also cover RB.

Cash is first choice and Elmo is a reliable back-up with limited value if we were to sell.

Though with Guilbert we should make a profit. The sensible decision all day long, i.e. head over heart is to sell him if we get a decent offer.

Some will say he has potential and is worth hanging onto, but if we are to improve at the rate that we want, Guilbert is not a priority.

Well summed up.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: paul_e on October 12, 2020, 08:42:58 PM
He's passionate, committed and loves to tackle. I get why he is popular and I like him, but he is limited in ability (not unlike Hutton - also very popular).

Though it's far from outrageous to say he is our third choice RB. I've said previously that we are not going to register three RBs in our squad of 25, especially when CBs (like Konsa) can also cover RB.

Cash is first choice and Elmo is a reliable back-up with limited value if we were to sell.

Though with Guilbert we should make a profit. The sensible decision all day long, i.e. head over heart is to sell him if we get a decent offer.

Some will say he has potential and is worth hanging onto, but if we are to improve at the rate that we want, Guilbert is not a priority.

I don't get that logic at all. Elmo will probably leave next summer when he'll be 34. Selling a 25 year old who is at least his equal now is silly because whatever money we make will have to go on signing yet another right back next year, for about the 10th year in the row. Keeping him as the backup to Cash locks that position up for a few years. If we want to keep Elmo as well that's ok for a year so long as we can keep them all happy.

If Elmo was 4-5 younger I'd be fine with Freddie going even though I think he's a better player than some are giving him credit for, he's certainly a fair better player than Taylor and Hutton who he's been compared to in the last couple of days.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: john2710 on October 12, 2020, 08:48:10 PM
Initially Guilbert showed some promise, but ultimately, as the season wore on, he was not good enough defensively. A few last gasp challenges here & there doesnít cover his shortcomings.

I donít see any signs that heís learning. Constantly caught out of position & the wrong side of the ball.



Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: CT Villan on October 12, 2020, 08:52:13 PM
Guilbert has the defending ability of Targett, the attacking intent of Taylor and the positional sense of Hutton. His greatest strength is his pace which has saved him on numerous occasions when he's been woeful defensively. I have no problem with him leaving.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: danno on October 12, 2020, 08:56:03 PM
If he's third choice now behind a 33 year old, he's not going to want to stay and be second choice next season. As soon as we sign another centre back who is right footed he's third choice again.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: ktvillan on October 13, 2020, 08:49:45 AM
I suspect with Guilbert it's about something other than football ability because he's played ok - attitude or a fall out or something.  Similar with Engels although with him there were a lot of mistakes that cost us goals and points.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: john e on October 13, 2020, 09:06:54 AM
I suspect with Guilbert it's about something other than football ability because he's played ok - attitude or a fall out or something.  Similar with Engels although with him there were a lot of mistakes that cost us goals and points.

yep Iím with you
it makes no sense otherwise
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Goldenballs on October 13, 2020, 11:08:07 AM
Makes no sense to me either. Looking at the below, he beats Elmo in most areas. He's obviously not perfect as has been said, but if he was sold now he'd need replacing at the end of the season, Elmo can't carry on forever, as much as I like him and think he's a valuable member of the squad.

https://www.premierleague.com/stats/player-comparison

Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: maidstonevillain on October 13, 2020, 11:19:52 AM
Guilbert 36 fouls
Elmo 13 fouls.

Wasn't one of our main problems defending set pieces?
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: paul_e on October 13, 2020, 11:22:34 AM
Guilbert 36 fouls
Elmo 13 fouls.

Wasn't one of our main problems defending set pieces?

Those stats are very misleading given Guilbert played twice as many minutes as Elmo last season.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Edvard Remberg on October 13, 2020, 11:31:14 AM
Guilbert 36 fouls
Elmo 13 fouls.

Wasn't one of our main problems defending set pieces?

Those stats are very misleading given Guilbert played twice as many minutes as Elmo last season.
Double minutes for Fred
28 goals conceded Elmo, 36 Fred
Tackles /tackles won Elmo 19/9, Fred 74/43
Passes/%compl: Elmo 498/79,72%, Fred 749/68,89%
Touches : 776/1463
Dispossessed: 2 / 14 (maybe the deal breaker?)
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Goldenballs on October 13, 2020, 11:36:33 AM
Double Elmo's stats then, and they're quite close, with Guilbert edging it defensively which is surprising given that's one the main criticisms against him, and he has age on his side. I like both players, he's not perfect by any stretch but I think he's a good player and should be kept.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: VILLA MOLE on October 13, 2020, 11:47:25 AM
It was also his first year in England so I would not right him off yet
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Goldenballs on October 13, 2020, 11:57:36 AM
Plus, I love a good slide tackle.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: chrisw1 on October 13, 2020, 12:20:28 PM
He's passionate, committed and loves to tackle. I get why he is popular and I like him, but he is limited in ability (not unlike Hutton - also very popular).

Though it's far from outrageous to say he is our third choice RB. I've said previously that we are not going to register three RBs in our squad of 25, especially when CBs (like Konsa) can also cover RB.

Cash is first choice and Elmo is a reliable back-up with limited value if we were to sell.

Though with Guilbert we should make a profit. The sensible decision all day long, i.e. head over heart is to sell him if we get a decent offer.

Some will say he has potential and is worth hanging onto, but if we are to improve at the rate that we want, Guilbert is not a priority.

I don't get that logic at all. Elmo will probably leave next summer when he'll be 34. Selling a 25 year old who is at least his equal now is silly because whatever money we make will have to go on signing yet another right back next year, for about the 10th year in the row. Keeping him as the backup to Cash locks that position up for a few years. If we want to keep Elmo as well that's ok for a year so long as we can keep them all happy.

If Elmo was 4-5 younger I'd be fine with Freddie going even though I think he's a better player than some are giving him credit for, he's certainly a fair better player than Taylor and Hutton who he's been compared to in the last couple of days.
Agree with Paul here, we're essentially committing ourselves to buying yet another right back next summer (unless there's a yongster coming through) and probbaly one that will have to be happy to be back up to this years £16m signing.

He's seemingly been made third choice to push him out the door not because he's worse than Elmo.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: paul_e on October 13, 2020, 12:34:45 PM
Guilbert 36 fouls
Elmo 13 fouls.

Wasn't one of our main problems defending set pieces?

Those stats are very misleading given Guilbert played twice as many minutes as Elmo last season.
Double minutes for Fred
28 goals conceded Elmo, 36 Fred
Tackles /tackles won Elmo 19/9, Fred 74/43
Passes/%compl: Elmo 498/79,72%, Fred 749/68,89%
Touches : 776/1463
Dispossessed: 2 / 14 (maybe the deal breaker?)


The bottom one is a result of the fact that Guilbert runs with the ball a lot more.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: john e on October 13, 2020, 12:51:31 PM
canít people just make there own minds up when they see both players play on numerous occasions instead of looking at a load of stupid stats that can be interpreted to whatever you want

I donít need stats to see that Freddie is a better all round footballer that Elmo and a lot younger so is a better bet for the future
which is why I think thereís something else driving this 3rd choice thing
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: eamonn on October 13, 2020, 01:24:39 PM
All well and good saying he might be second choice by next summer so we should keep him. He wants to be playing and if he's not by January he'll look for a move again either temporarily or permanently.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on October 13, 2020, 01:58:36 PM
He's passionate, committed and loves to tackle. I get why he is popular and I like him, but he is limited in ability (not unlike Hutton - also very popular).

Though it's far from outrageous to say he is our third choice RB. I've said previously that we are not going to register three RBs in our squad of 25, especially when CBs (like Konsa) can also cover RB.

Cash is first choice and Elmo is a reliable back-up with limited value if we were to sell.

Though with Guilbert we should make a profit. The sensible decision all day long, i.e. head over heart is to sell him if we get a decent offer.

Some will say he has potential and is worth hanging onto, but if we are to improve at the rate that we want, Guilbert is not a priority.

I don't get that logic at all. Elmo will probably leave next summer when he'll be 34. Selling a 25 year old who is at least his equal now is silly because whatever money we make will have to go on signing yet another right back next year, for about the 10th year in the row. Keeping him as the backup to Cash locks that position up for a few years. If we want to keep Elmo as well that's ok for a year so long as we can keep them all happy.

If Elmo was 4-5 younger I'd be fine with Freddie going even though I think he's a better player than some are giving him credit for, he's certainly a fair better player than Taylor and Hutton who he's been compared to in the last couple of days.

If we sell Guilbert now we should make a profit (otherwise keep him). A season as third choice RB and out of the 25-man squad diminishes his value plus we are paying his wages.

Elmo was signed for a small fee and has offered good/great service even if he goes on a free in the summer. Though he looks in shape and (I think) has avoided major injuries, so next summer we have a few options - open up a space for a youngster and/or offer Elmo a one-year deal.

If we make the progress we hope, it might be Cash we are looking to improve upon with Cash then being the back-up.

As I say, I like Guilbert, but I can't see a compelling case to keep him. Maybe a season loan and then back-up if Elmo finishes/moves on?

Though stockpiling players and loaning them out is not (presently) how we operate and - for me - we must focus solely on doing three things brilliantly for the next couple of years. They are:
1. Constantly improving the first team (good start made)
2. Develop our own youngsters (spending lots on this)
3. Move on those not part of 1 and 2 (more to do on this one)

It's not easy and will require good judgement and a degree of ruthlessness. Someone pointed about how events have been unkind to Heaton who was a real plus until he was injured, but I suspect few are unhappy about Martinez joining. UTV.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: OCD on October 13, 2020, 06:46:51 PM
3. Is hard right now because the players we're looking to move on aren't in demand or they're on too higher wage. As we improve our squad, when we look to move someone on, they'll hopefully be a high enough level for others to want and not be on ridiculous wages that put clubs off.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on October 13, 2020, 06:57:19 PM
3. Is hard right now because the players we're looking to move on aren't in demand or they're on too higher wage. As we improve our squad, when we look to move someone on, they'll hopefully be a high enough level for others to want and not be on ridiculous wages that put clubs off.

Agreed. It's at least as tough as the other two and just as vital IMO.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: KevinGage on October 14, 2020, 01:36:41 AM
Squad-wise it's not as if we're overburdened in so many key areas. So for me, keep.

I read a stat a few weeks back that we actually had a lower wage bill in the Prem than we did in the final year in the Championship, as mental as that sounds.

When you see that we had the likes of Jedinak, Whelan, Hutton, Abraham, Bolase and co on Premier League wages (or close to it) in 18 and we signed Makamba, Engels all the other Belgian/ Turkish Pro League all stars in 19 it makes sense.  We had to cut it fine, and Heaton, Mings and Targett were probably the only ones who commanded close to regular PL wages from that group last summer. We signed Freddy when we were still a Championship club in Jan 19, let's not forget.

He won't be on crazy money, so unless we get a really sweet offer (£10 million plus) I wouldn't be remotely tempted to sell.

Deano doesn't seem the fractious type. So you do wonder if he's had a bit of a set to with Terry or someone else that went beyond the pale.

Ability wise he's not the third best right back at the club. That much should be obvious to anyone.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Drummond on October 14, 2020, 08:53:42 AM
I'm sure I saw yesterday that he was lined up for a loan to Nantes?
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: mr underhill on October 14, 2020, 08:58:04 AM
it fell through which is why he was being a little hostile in the recent interview.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: eamonn on October 14, 2020, 01:45:54 PM
He'll probably move to a club down the south of France somewhere in January. Bad English can keep an eye on him - as long as he doesn't fatten him up with all that wine.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Tom Stewart on October 14, 2020, 02:27:46 PM
canít people just make there own minds up when they see both players play on numerous occasions instead of looking at a load of stupid stats that can be interpreted to whatever you want

I donít need stats to see that Freddie is a better all round footballer that Elmo and a lot younger so is a better bet for the future
which is why I think thereís something else driving this 3rd choice thing


He really is not a better all round footballer than Elmo, and thankfully the manager of the club agrees with me!
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: john e on October 14, 2020, 03:40:19 PM
canít people just make there own minds up when they see both players play on numerous occasions instead of looking at a load of stupid stats that can be interpreted to whatever you want

I donít need stats to see that Freddie is a better all round footballer that Elmo and a lot younger so is a better bet for the future
which is why I think thereís something else driving this 3rd choice thing


He really is not a better all round footballer than Elmo, and thankfully the manager of the club agrees with me!

he really is
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: danno on October 14, 2020, 03:49:02 PM
canít people just make there own minds up when they see both players play on numerous occasions instead of looking at a load of stupid stats that can be interpreted to whatever you want

I donít need stats to see that Freddie is a better all round footballer that Elmo and a lot younger so is a better bet for the future
which is why I think thereís something else driving this 3rd choice thing


He really is not a better all round footballer than Elmo, and thankfully the manager of the club agrees with me!

he really is

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Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Chris Smith on October 14, 2020, 04:34:37 PM
canít people just make there own minds up when they see both players play on numerous occasions instead of looking at a load of stupid stats that can be interpreted to whatever you want

I donít need stats to see that Freddie is a better all round footballer that Elmo and a lot younger so is a better bet for the future
which is why I think thereís something else driving this 3rd choice thing


Iíd say heís a better tackler and a bit quicker than Elmo. He loses out though on passing, crossing, and and positional discipline. Neither of them are first choice or ever likely to be so itís a decision on who you want as back. Itís Elmo for me.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Tom Stewart on October 14, 2020, 06:34:32 PM
canít people just make there own minds up when they see both players play on numerous occasions instead of looking at a load of stupid stats that can be interpreted to whatever you want

I donít need stats to see that Freddie is a better all round footballer that Elmo and a lot younger so is a better bet for the future
which is why I think thereís something else driving this 3rd choice thing


Iíd say heís a better tackler and a bit quicker than Elmo. He loses out though on passing, crossing, and and positional discipline. Neither of them are first choice or ever likely to be so itís a decision on who you want as back. Itís Elmo for me.

Agree with this - I'd add that Elmo is much better in the air and stronger mentally as well.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: john e on October 14, 2020, 08:29:29 PM
canít people just make there own minds up when they see both players play on numerous occasions instead of looking at a load of stupid stats that can be interpreted to whatever you want

I donít need stats to see that Freddie is a better all round footballer that Elmo and a lot younger so is a better bet for the future
which is why I think thereís something else driving this 3rd choice thing


Iíd say heís a better tackler and a bit quicker than Elmo. He loses out though on passing, crossing, and and positional discipline. Neither of them are first choice or ever likely to be so itís a decision on who you want as back. Itís Elmo for me.

Agree with this - I'd add that Elmo is much better in the air and stronger mentally as well.


ha ha
Your off your heads the pair of ya
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 15, 2021, 07:56:22 PM
On his way to Cardiff if reports are correct.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Hookeysmith on January 15, 2021, 08:01:34 PM
If we plan to keep then getting game time is not a problem. Presumably we are savvy enough to have a clause in for call back if cash gets injured
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: olaftab on January 15, 2021, 08:04:22 PM
On his way to Cardiff if reports are correct.
Noooo. Far too good for Cardiff.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: London Villan on January 15, 2021, 08:06:58 PM
Shame, seemed a decent character, if a little naive as a footballer.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: andyh on January 15, 2021, 08:18:36 PM
On his way to Cardiff if reports are correct.
Noooo. Far too good for Cardiff.
On loan though
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 15, 2021, 08:30:56 PM
Heís too good for the Championship.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: wittonwarrior on January 15, 2021, 10:14:53 PM
how you know he's half decent he stays on his feet doesnt dive in.  His only poor game last season as away against Sterling and Man City.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: tomd2103 on January 15, 2021, 10:18:56 PM
On his way to Cardiff if reports are correct.
Noooo. Far too good for Cardiff.
On loan though

Probably a decent move all round. Don't think there is much between him and Elmo really, but Elmo does seem to be ahead of him in the pecking order at the moment. 

Elmo remains as back up to Cash for the rest of the season, while Guilbert goes out on loan.  Elmo leaves at the end of the season and if Guilbert has done well he comes back, if it's not going to happen with him then at least he will have played some football and been in the shop window.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 15, 2021, 10:43:07 PM
how you know he's half decent he stays on his feet doesnt dive in.  His only poor game last season as away against Sterling and Man City.
he was shocking at Southampton, one of the worst performances by a Villa player I have witnessed.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Des Little on January 15, 2021, 11:17:30 PM
The entire team collectively stunk St Maryís out last season.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 15, 2021, 11:21:07 PM
The entire team collectively stunk St Maryís out last season.
agree but I was replying to the suggestion he only had one bad game.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: aj2k77 on January 16, 2021, 09:26:39 AM
Leicester in the league away, positionally abysmal.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: The Edge on January 16, 2021, 09:43:25 AM
Good luck to Freddie but I think that's the last we've seen of him in a Villa shirt. Elmo remains as decent back up for Matty Cash and will go in the summer to make room for an upgrade. Both have been good servants to the club and will go with my best wishes.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: LeeB on January 16, 2021, 10:05:49 AM
how you know he's half decent he stays on his feet doesnt dive in.  His only poor game last season as away against Sterling and Man City.
he was shocking at Southampton, one of the worst performances by a Villa player I have witnessed.

And Leicester in the league.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 16, 2021, 10:35:44 AM
how you know he's half decent he stays on his feet doesnt dive in.  His only poor game last season as away against Sterling and Man City.
he was shocking at Southampton, one of the worst performances by a Villa player I have witnessed.

And Leicester in the league.



Yep but other than that .........🤔😀
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Risso on January 16, 2021, 10:39:09 AM
If we loaned out everybody who was abysmal in that Leicester away game, then we'd also be saying 'tara a bit' to Grealish, Mings, Luiz  and Targett. The wost culprit in Reina isn't here any more, but nobody came out of that game with any credit.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on January 16, 2021, 11:03:29 AM
Just turned 26, bought for £4.5m, is far from shit. I doubt he'll be short of not-too-shabby admirers should he become available, and we should turn a tidy profit.

I'm quite liking that nowadays I'll miss players when they're gone, rather than being glad to see the backs of assorted charlatans, wastrels and those terminally misfiring.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: brontebilly on January 16, 2021, 11:14:42 AM
Very surprised only the likes of Cardiff are looking at him. Had lots of very good games for us too, including against Arsenal at the end of last season. I'm not sure Cash is all that better defensively but Smith seems certain Guilbert isn't in his plans.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Ads on January 16, 2021, 12:07:01 PM
Steve Bull saying top 4 in 2 years the deluded fucking Tatter.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 16, 2021, 12:19:42 PM
Steve Bull saying top 4 in 2 years the deluded fucking Tatter.

Must mean The Championship.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: john e on January 16, 2021, 01:07:06 PM
thereís more to itís then football for me

All this he wasnít very good again so on so itís just a way to excuse Dean Smith of letting him go
He is a very good footballer and has had some very good games for Villa thatís why I feel the reason Dean is looking to move him on is because there is more to it

just got to trust Dean on this one and except we donít know all the Details because anyone that thinks Elmo is a better player and is a better prospect for the future at Villa is just talking out their arse


Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: olaftab on January 16, 2021, 01:23:01 PM
Shame, seemed a decent character, if a little naive as a footballer.
I think that is a problem when you state your profession as Footballer.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Matt C on January 16, 2021, 01:27:55 PM
Heís still contracted for another year or two isnít he? A loan to get him some game time before selling him on in the summer makes sense I guess, he clearly isnít in Deanís plans.

We might even find ourselves selling him for more than we paid for him, imagine that witchcraft. Extraordinary.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: OCD on January 16, 2021, 02:15:50 PM
I wouldn't assume that it's only a loan and that he'll take Elmo's place as back-up to Cash next season. The financial situation with Covid means Championship will only be dealing with loan deals in this window. Guilbert's positioning isn't good enough but if he can improve on that, he'll be a good full-back for someone.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: manic-road on January 16, 2021, 04:15:07 PM
Steve Bull saying top 4 in 2 years the deluded fucking Tatter.

Guilbert?
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Dave on January 29, 2021, 06:55:10 PM
Off on loan to Strasbourg apparently.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 29, 2021, 07:19:51 PM
Kaine Kessler looks the real deal so won't be shocked to see both Elmo and Guilbert, certainly the latter gone in the summer permanently.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Flamingo Lane on January 29, 2021, 09:00:26 PM
I like Guilbert, and though I may of course be wrong, I have a feeling that (not for the first time) we may be looking back in two or three years time and asking ourselves 'why did we let this fella go?' 
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Ad@m on January 29, 2021, 09:25:41 PM
I like Guilbert, and though I may of course be wrong, I have a feeling that (not for the first time) we may be looking back in two or three years time and asking ourselves 'why did we let this fella go?' 

Same here.  I thought the same about Jordan Amavi and he's done well for himself since he left us.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Ads on January 29, 2021, 10:14:39 PM
Gone on loan with a view to competing for a first team spot next season.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: OCD on January 29, 2021, 10:15:57 PM
Possibly, might be a year too soon for Kaine-Kesler. He might be the one going out on a loan next season.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: tony scott on January 30, 2021, 03:49:51 AM
Ok tin hat time,Iíve always liked Freddie I think Matty Cash is as good but not that much of an upgrade.  Therefore I wouldnít have replaced in the team.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on January 30, 2021, 07:21:28 AM
It's not a controversial opinion, tony. Plenty of people felt right back was a position where we were sorted, if not long term then at least for the immediate future. Me amongst them. Although I'll disagree with you on how much of an upgrade Cash is, I think it's quite a lot. A tremendous find by our scouts and analytics people to spot a bloke that's had only one season in that position, and that in a lower division.

Freddy's a good player, but I don't think he'll oust Cash again. It's a short career, he deserves to play somewhere. Good luck to him, wherever he goes.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on January 30, 2021, 07:39:33 AM
Good luck Freddie. I'm not sure why he fell out of favour, but I think he genuinely liked playing for Villa. Loved that fist pump vs Arsenal end of last season. That and his uncompromising way of playing showed he wanted Villa to succeed.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Three Spires Villa on January 30, 2021, 09:40:21 AM
Good luck come back better
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: john2710 on January 30, 2021, 10:17:40 AM
Good luck Freddie hope the move works out.

He seems to have improved whilst out of the team.
Offers little going forward & was constantly caught out of position defensively.

Not good enough for where we are or where we're going.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on January 30, 2021, 10:20:00 AM
I like Guilbo. 😔
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: KevinGage on January 30, 2021, 11:20:00 AM
There's a few right footers who can play on the left n'all, so I'd have hoped he'd be viewed as good cover for Cash and Targett.  An injury in either of those positions will make this call look a bit hat stand, but let's see.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Three Spires Villa on January 30, 2021, 06:35:07 PM
Personally, and as a lot have said, I am sad and I hope he comes back and has a poor push for the RB spot, I liked him thought he was good. I think we may have seen the last of him though!
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: SaddVillan on January 30, 2021, 06:40:49 PM
A fan's favourite but not, it seems of the manager.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert signed
Post by: Legion on January 31, 2021, 07:08:27 PM
On loan to Strasbourg.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert OUT ON LOAN
Post by: Mellin on January 31, 2021, 07:24:32 PM
Thanks for the service Fred. Signed any other time he'd have been our first choice for years. We're much more ruthless these days and always looking to improve...and Cash is a step up.

Good player though. Will do well elsewhere.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert OUT ON LOAN
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2021, 07:34:01 PM
Good luck Fred.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert OUT ON LOAN
Post by: rougegorge on January 31, 2021, 07:53:11 PM
He's been much better going forward than defending but hadn't done badly overall. However Smith clearly prefers Elmo as the backup.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert OUT ON LOAN
Post by: Steve67 on January 31, 2021, 09:49:11 PM
Elmo is in the last year of his contract isn't he? Good luck Fred.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert OUT ON LOAN
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 01, 2021, 12:51:46 AM
Gone on loan with a view to competing for a first team spot next season.

Don't see that at all Ads. Think if that was the plan he would've gone on loan in this country. Going back to France and hopefully playing well will get some interest going there and will mean we'll move him on permanently I suspect, just like Hourihane.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert OUT ON LOAN
Post by: Risso on February 01, 2021, 09:20:41 AM
Yep, I agree SHQ. For whatever reason, his face doesn't fit any more and I'd be amazed to ever see him in  a Villa kit again. Surprised Engels didn't move on for similar reasons.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert OUT ON LOAN
Post by: Dave on February 01, 2021, 09:23:22 AM
Yep, I agree SHQ. For whatever reason, his face doesn't fit any more and I'd be amazed to ever see him in a Villa kit again. Surprised Engels didn't move on for similar reasons.

I guess having three right-backs is a luxury, four centre-backs is a necessity.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert OUT ON LOAN
Post by: Smithy on February 01, 2021, 09:32:28 AM
Yep, I agree SHQ. For whatever reason, his face doesn't fit any more and I'd be amazed to ever see him in  a Villa kit again. Surprised Engels didn't move on for similar reasons.

Agreed - I quite liked him, and considering how others have improved this season, I would have thought he was good enough as a reserve right-back.

The one big positive I take from this (and Conor's loan) is that the club is now at a stage where it is willing to let go of players that I thought "could still do a job for us if needed" - which I suppose is a sign we're really progressing, quality-wise?
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert OUT ON LOAN
Post by: dave shelley on February 01, 2021, 09:37:11 AM
It could be that the club are doing a bit of forward planning, identifying summer targets early and clearing the decks as and when they can freeing up squad places, wages etc.
Title: Re: Frederic Guilbert OUT ON LOAN
Post by: nigel on February 01, 2021, 09:41:11 AM
Gone on loan with a view to competing for a first team spot next season.

Don't see that at all Ads. Think if that was the plan he would've gone on loan in this country. Going back to France and hopefully playing well will get some interest going there and will mean we'll move him on permanently I suspect, just like Hourihane.

I tend to agree with Ads, but I can certainly see your point regarding loaning to an English league club.
Maybe Freddie asked to be loaned to a French club?
He might just feel more comfortable being loaned where theyíll speak his language
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