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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: PeterWithesShin on January 12, 2019, 04:56:35 PM
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Enjoy.
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Deeply concerning.
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Speechless
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Buy a new left back.
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Only 5 points off the play-offs?!
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Completely Shithouse.
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
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F*ck me, that was dreadful.
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This club keeps producing new and bizarre ways of disappointing.
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Did we play okay save for the 3-0 defeat at the team who’ve not won since November?
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I think the videos he keeps showing them must be of his holidays
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2 of those 3 subs when 1-0 down were bizarre. We'd hardly created anything for the first hour and so to change it up we brought on a CH and G F Whelan, which helped us to manage the grand total of 0 goal attempts in the second half.
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The OS
A disappointing day at the DW Stadium
Fuck off!
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The post match thread seems to be on a groundhog day loop for the last 10 years. Same old shit. Will this never end?
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Defensively laughable.
Hause looked awful when he came on, which is somewhat worrying.
We look as though we are not trying. Against Swansea I thought Adomah and El Ghazi provided two of the laziest, can't be arsed performances I've ever seen, and there were bits of that in evidence from most of the team today.
He needs time to get it right, but the last few weeks have been deeply unacceptable.
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That’s a touch disappointing.
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A new low - Wigan fans singing we're shit
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Nothing but obsolescent football and tactics.
Fucking shit.
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He ain't the man - and I'm not being overly dramatic. It doesn't matter who the manager is, who the coaches are, what formation they play - we are a steaming pile of crap. The only players i would try and keep in the summer are Jack and SJM - and they are the two most likely to be sold.
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He showed them the Man Citeh Liverpool video last week. To be fair the players must think he’s a proper twat for doing that.
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Utter shit from both players and manager , the changes when 1 down where laughably bad ..2 strikers on bench and you use neither when you are losing ..ffs
Promotion looks a million miles away and the goals conceded is not a new issue its been there all season with both managers,All the joy of keeping Tammy if I was him I would be seriously reconsidering that decision after this shambles
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A new low - Wigan fans singing we're shit
I hope our fans sang back "so are we".
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Not good but did anybody really think it was going to be different today after the way we capitulated at home against Swansea last week?
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PATHETIC!
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Unacceptable clearly. I’m already bored of the manager identitying what’s wrong and failing to do anything about it. There needs to be dramatic signs of improvement and fast. We’re a shambles at the back and disjointed and aimless going forward.
Dean isn’t helping himself either, the substitutions given that we were behind were just baffling.
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We looked lost and we are lost in the championship, we’re not coming up this season, another one written off
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Didn't think we'd miss Grealish so much.
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Wigan. For some reason, the newest turd we can't flush.
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As astonishing the transformation was when Smith came, the reverse is even more astounding and those subs today were indicative of a manager all at sea.
Christ I hoped it would be a good appointment but it's looking absolutely rotten at the moment, I pray he pulls this round, and it's not just results, the manner of the performances are deeply concerning.
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0 shots on target out of a pathetic 4 shots all game.
Worst we've looked all season for me.
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Don't really know what to say...
We're certainly not going up this season, and with Jack and SJM destined for better things than this shower, along with the end of our parachute payments and FFP, we'll have to stomach this shite for years to come.
Definitely shows that this team is NOTHING without Jack. 1 poor performance without him you could understand, but a month and a half of drivel?
If I was McGinn, I'd be beating the living fuck out of Hourihane, Thor and Whelan in that dressing room right now. }:[
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Gob-smackingly, jaw-droppingly, worryingly awful. New levels of shitness reached, all capped by possibly the worst debut I've ever seen. Dreadful all round, on the pitch and in the dugout. How is it possible that we're getting worse?
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Still too many players who simply aren't up to it. Taylor, Hourihane, Whelan to name but three. Left back and holding midfielder badly needed.
Not overly concerned by Hause's dodgy debut, see where he is after a couple of weeks.
Kalinic made a couple of cracking saves.
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I said after the last game I never wanted to see Whelan or Taylor in a Villa shirt again, and I stand by that, but they weren't the only culprits today. Again McGinn is the only one who comes out with any credit, the rest of the team were sloppy and simply lacked any conviction. And Deano can't escape criticism either - fuck knows why he brought Hause on for Elphick when he could have made a more positive change, and naming Whelan in the squad at all was just wrong.
What happened to the cavalier, fast tempo, high chance creating, goal scoring team that he started with? Surely it can't all be put down to losing Grealish? The passion has simply disappeared
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Not good but did anybody really think it was going to be different today after the way we capitulated at home against Swansea last week?
I dread to think how we'll capitulate against Hull next week! :'(
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The problem is the midfield.
If the manager can’t see that then we are in trouble.
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Keep McGinn and Grealish - ship the rest out!
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Zero shots on target, was it? At fucking Wigan Athletic. One day, on my deathbed, I'm going to look back at this season and laugh.
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What the fuck is wrong with some of these ****** who call themselves professional footballers? Fucking useless
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Do tell us about setting traps, the second phase and overloading Dean.
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Not good but did anybody really think it was going to be different today after the way we capitulated at home against Swansea last week?
I'm sure we all hoped it would be, but our useless mob clearly had other ideas. Worrying times.
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So bad.
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the problem isn't the midfield, it's all 11
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Wigan pressed our backline relentlessly and we made error after error, I thought thats what we were supposed to be fucking doing? defence, midfield and forwards playing as seperate sections instead as of a unit.
Other than McGinn everybody was monumentally shite, to many shit houses in that squad, no football intelligence at all.
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I'd ship Bolasie back from his loan now. Woeful, spineless Bacuna like effort from him.
...and he wasn't alone.
Wigan were better than us when we beat them at VP. It happens, win some, lose some.
What I will never accept is players trotting around like they're Billy big time, thinking all they have do to is show up.
Play offs are a pipe dream after that.
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A good team wins with a spine starting in defence and through into midfield.
We have neither.
We are indeed spineless. Like a jelly.
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Not often I'm left speechless by a result but certainly am here.
Losing 1-0 away to out of form and poor team Wigan would've been bad enough but to be turned over 3-0 convincingly beggars belief.
This club never ceases to amaze in how when things look promising it can turn into a horrendous run of form in just 4 weeks.
Just feels now like another season which will simply pass us by in this division. With the level of the league this season that is very poor.
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For me, whet is becoming more and more apparent is that this bunch is lacking desire and hunger.
Too many players are strolling through games, not busting a gut and making utterly stupid mistakes. And, one of the things that really boils my piss is the number of cheap, pointless free kicks we give away.
Taylor, HOURIHANE, el Khazi, Adomah are all fucking powderpuff weak, especially Hourihane.
Bolasie is like a clueless fucking maniac.
Hause looks like he’s never worn a pair of football boots before.
McGinn is doing the work of 10 men, and Tammy should protect himself and fuck off out of here at the first opportunity on Monday.
Smith has been struck with Villaitus, in record time. The disease that turns promising managers into clueless fuckers.
Not a good day and I can’t see it getting better.
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My worry now is that Tammy may change his mind about staying. He didn't even have scraps to feed off today, and with Palace apparently interested he could well do a runner. And who would blame him
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How can the shit players we had under Bruce suddenly look great when Smith first came (Boro & Derby) and then go backwards quicker than an Italian infantry.
Is it too soon to question Smith?
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Same shit, different day.
I don't understand how 'top class' players somehow don't even have a first touch. Lazy and sloppy. Movement to support the player in possession is non-existent and the defence, wtf ! Bree and Taylor absolute garbage and Chester not far behind. Of course, Elphick who was doing alright got substituted for the incompetent (probably nervous) Hause.
To be fair, we were providing so little service into Tammy that adding another striker would probably not have had any effect.
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I'm going to have a drink.
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Weeks of crap merge in to months of crap and months of crap merge into years of crap. Will the light at the end of the tunnel ever become a reality or just some piss taker shining a torch to get our hopes up...Today was Fuckin shocking.Totally unacceptable. Completely embarrassing. When Wigan taunt us with being shit we know we have plumbed new depths. The real concern is we might even get worse. The answer to the problem is something I honestly don't know. Smith needs time but with his substitutions today considering the score he also needs someone to have a word with him.
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the problem isn't the midfield, it's all 11
I am concerned that he seems as stubborn as Bruce, it’s 4 3 3 regardless.
It has not worked since Grealish has been gone,
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Compare us to Leeds.
And then have a little cry.
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All together now (again)...
We're not very good
We're not very good
We're not very, we're not very
We're not very good
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Taylor was the standout shit performance today, but honourable mentions for Chester, Bolasie and Bjarnason as well, who were all woeful. Mention too for Hause for a truly dreadful cameo as sub.
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I was going to be good this weekend but fuck it, I'm going to get pissed instead.
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Compare us to Leeds.
And then have a little cry.
If Leeds played like we did this week and last, Bielsa would be ripping limbs off players. Come on Dean light the proverbial rocket under this shower of shit.
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Couldn't believe the result and the match stats equally embarassing. This month was suppose to be our easy month, in form Hull City next, they beat Wednesday 3 - 0 today.
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Having a coffee in the Costa outside the DW and wracking my brains as to think of a worse performance whilst we've been in this division. A few surges forward by McGinn was about all we offered over 90 minutes.
To a litany of shitness I would add Bolaise to the list of players who I look forward to never again seeing in a Villa shirt.
Oh, and a goalkeeper who believes short throws to closely marked defenders is a viable outlet when your under the cosh.
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Having a coffee in the Costa outside the DW and wracking my brains as to think of a worse performance whilst we've been in this division. A few surges forward by McGinn was about all we offered over 90 minutes.
To a litany of shitness I would add Bolaise to the list of players who I look forward to never again seeing in a Villa shirt.
Oh, and a goalkeeper who believes short throws to closely marked defenders is a viable outlet when your under the cosh.
I suspect the last point is indicative of muddled thinking in the game plan.
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The only thing I want to hear from Smith right now is an apology to the guys and gals that were unfortunate to witness that in the flesh, and a promise it will never happen again. If he makes one excuse he goes straight into the list of recent crap managers and will not get back out again
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Having a coffee in the Costa outside the DW and wracking my brains as to think of a worse performance whilst we've been in this division. A few surges forward by McGinn was about all we offered over 90 minutes.
To a litany of shitness I would add Bolaise to the list of players who I look forward to never again seeing in a Villa shirt.
Oh, and a goalkeeper who believes short throws to closely marked defenders is a viable outlet when your under the cosh.
yeah I think we should send Bolasie back to Everton, surely could put that budget to better use elsewhere.
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Gob-smackingly, jaw-droppingly, worryingly awful. New levels of shitness reached, all capped by possibly the worst debut I've ever seen. Dreadful all round, on the pitch and in the dugout. How is it possible that we're getting worse?
No the worst debut I ever saw was Ken McNaught and he didn’t turn out to be too bad in the end
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Stamford Bridge 8-0 the last time I saw something so pathetic as that.
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Holy dog shit, i don't know where we go from here.
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Like Top Deck, I'm trying to think when we were as bad as that since we've been down here, except I wish I was musing that over a pint instead of being stuck on a coach. It was absotuley abysmal.
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To make today worse, I've just seen the result of the Bury-MK Dons match. A match for which I was yesterday offered a free ticket by the club, but passed in order to see my club.
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An absolutely disgraceful performance , not one of them can gain any credit, lovre maybe up until he started kicking into touch ag every opportunity. Devoid of ideas staggering decline since November.
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Like Top Deck, I'm trying to think when we were as bad as that since we've been down here, except I wish I was musing that over a pint instead of being stuck on a coach. It was absotuley abysmal.
Preston away under RDM.
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Gob-smackingly, jaw-droppingly, worryingly awful. New levels of shitness reached, all capped by possibly the worst debut I've ever seen. Dreadful all round, on the pitch and in the dugout. How is it possible that we're getting worse?
No the worst debut I ever saw was Ken McNaught and he didn’t turn out to be too bad in the end
Funnily enough Hause was so extraordinarily bad I did wonder if he might be destined to become a club legend. It sort of had the feeling of a debut that might go down in folklore, if you know what I mean.
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As high as the high felt and was shortly after he arrived the 180 degree reverse is as low in equal measure. The last two games have been as shit as anything Bruce served up.
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Gob-smackingly, jaw-droppingly, worryingly awful. New levels of shitness reached, all capped by possibly the worst debut I've ever seen. Dreadful all round, on the pitch and in the dugout. How is it possible that we're getting worse?
No the worst debut I ever saw was Ken McNaught and he didn’t turn out to be too bad in the end
Funnily enough Hause was so extraordinarily bad I did wonder if he might be destined to become a club legend. It sort of had the feeling of a debut that might go down in folklore, if you know what I mean.
I know exactly what you mean but do not want associate todays shite with that.
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Those were the days...
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Gob-smackingly, jaw-droppingly, worryingly awful. New levels of shitness reached, all capped by possibly the worst debut I've ever seen. Dreadful all round, on the pitch and in the dugout. How is it possible that we're getting worse?
No the worst debut I ever saw was Ken McNaught and he didn’t turn out to be too bad in the end
Funnily enough Hause was so extraordinarily bad I did wonder if he might be destined to become a club legend. It sort of had the feeling of a debut that might go down in folklore, if you know what I mean.
Akin to Ugo against Norwich?
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He sounded clueless in the post match interview on the radio.
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He sounded clueless in the post match interview on the radio.
That’s encouraging.
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Worse than anything under Bruce.
Too many average or garbage players.
Defence is a shambles.
Midfield non existent.
Nothing going forward and no spark.
No fight.
We're a mid table team.
Shite.
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Like Top Deck, I'm trying to think when we were as bad as that since we've been down here, except I wish I was musing that over a pint instead of being stuck on a coach. It was absotuley abysmal.
Preston away under RDM.
Loads under SB aswell.
Far more than what should've happened at this level. We just look like another wildly inconsistant mid table team now.
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Keep McGinn and Grealish - ship the rest out!
problem is its more likely to be the exact opposite
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Yes, don't be under any illusions that this is the worst it's ever been. There are plenty of examples of so-called nadirs over the past decade.
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I'd let John McGinn back on the bus and make the rest walk back.
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Gob-smackingly, jaw-droppingly, worryingly awful. New levels of shitness reached, all capped by possibly the worst debut I've ever seen. Dreadful all round, on the pitch and in the dugout. How is it possible that we're getting worse?
No the worst debut I ever saw was Ken McNaught and he didn’t turn out to be too bad in the end
Funnily enough Hause was so extraordinarily bad I did wonder if he might be destined to become a club legend. It sort of had the feeling of a debut that might go down in folklore, if you know what I mean.
Akin to Ugo against Norwich?
Remember that one. He got pulled at half time and never got within 5 miles of the first team for years after. Turned out ok in the end though.
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Where has the energy and effort gone, the game plan, the attitude? This was all there from the moment Smith arrived. It appears to have evaporated. Forget the videos just tell them to do what they did against’ boro and Derby and repeat game after game. Nothing less is acceptable.
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The one thing that struck me today was a lot of clubs in this division are teams. We aren't. We are simply a collection of individuals.
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I'd let John McGinn back on the bus and make the rest walk back.
They'd probably all wander off in different directions, like children when they get let out in to the playground at break-time. We really are very very poor and Smith is now contributing to it.
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The worry now is that he spent the week looking for a reaction from the players after the awful Swansea performance and this was the opportunity for them to show him what they can do. They clearly failed but spending next week at Bodymoor saying the same things to them he did after Swansea is clearly not going to work. Too many of them are either lazy, stupid or scared.
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Worse than anything under Bruce.
Too many average or garbage players.
Defence is a shambles.
Midfield non existent.
Nothing going forward and no spark.
No fight.
We're a mid table team.
Shite.
Was that the script from the post match interview with Dean Smith?
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Unbelievable how quickly we've gone from looking shit-hot, passing teams off the park and creating chances for fun to an absolute shambles. It can't just be down to Grealish or the new manager bounce fading. Something looks seriously up at the club. The persistence with Whelan, and especially bringing him on when we're behind is bizarre. Smith is starting to look like he doesn't know what he is doing or how to address this slide into mediocrity.
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Akin to Ugo against Norwich?
Which wasn't his debut.
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Gob-smackingly, jaw-droppingly, worryingly awful. New levels of shitness reached, all capped by possibly the worst debut I've ever seen. Dreadful all round, on the pitch and in the dugout. How is it possible that we're getting worse?
No the worst debut I ever saw was Ken McNaught and he didn’t turn out to be too bad in the end
Funnily enough Hause was so extraordinarily bad I did wonder if he might be destined to become a club legend. It sort of had the feeling of a debut that might go down in folklore, if you know what I mean.
Akin to Ugo against Norwich?
Exactly like that. (I'm not sure that was his actual debut but that's the game that springs to mind).
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I genuinely think that is the worst I have seen us play in the 23 years I’ve supported us.
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All we need now is Barry Glendenning to tell us be careful what you wish for in wanting to get rid of Bruce.
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Unbelievable how quickly we've gone from looking shit-hot, passing teams off the park and creating chances for fun to an absolute shambles. It can't just be down to Grealish or the new manager bounce fading. Something looks seriously up at the club. The persistence with Whelan, and especially bringing him on when we're behind is bizarre. Smith is starting to look like he doesn't know what he is doing or how to address this slide into mediocrity.
Mediocrity looks like a dim and distant dream at the moment.
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Sky 'high'lights (https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/competitions/championship/11605729/wigan-3-0-aston-villa)
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(http://i.imgur.com/YqgdpZc.gif)
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All that money spent and we're nowhere near a decent side. We're not going to be in the Prem for many years. When FFP comes to get us it's only going to get worse, gentleman. Mid-table in the Championship will be remembered as the good times.
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Not that it makes much difference but that is one of the worst penalty decisions I've ever seen. The guy threw himself in front of Whelan to initiate contact and then fell over as soon as he got it. The refs in this league truly are astoundingly bad.
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Not that it makes much difference but that is one of the worst penalty decisions I've ever seen. The guy threw himself in front of Whelan to initiate contact and then fell over as soon as he got it. The refs in this league truly are astoundingly bad.
It doesn't excuse the performance but you're dead right, the ref was terrible. It pretty much goes without saying now though.
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Not that it makes much difference but that is one of the worst penalty decisions I've ever seen. The guy threw himself in front of Whelan to initiate contact and then fell over as soon as he got it. The refs in this league truly are astoundingly bad.
It doesn't excuse the performance but you're dead right, the ref was terrible. It pretty much goes without saying now though.
Other teams are managing to accrue win after win despite the officiating. I think we have to accept that we're not where we are because the referees are shit.
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Gob-smackingly, jaw-droppingly, worryingly awful. New levels of shitness reached, all capped by possibly the worst debut I've ever seen. Dreadful all round, on the pitch and in the dugout. How is it possible that we're getting worse?
No the worst debut I ever saw was Ken McNaught and he didn’t turn out to be too bad in the end
Funnily enough Hause was so extraordinarily bad I did wonder if he might be destined to become a club legend. It sort of had the feeling of a debut that might go down in folklore, if you know what I mean.
The Villa Cult Zero catalogue must be one of the most comprehensive in world football. :o
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kallinic picked it out his net 6 times in first two games.
all very worrying.
I'd write this season off and blood the youngsters ready for next year
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Fucking hell
https://twitter.com/villareport/status/1084129031564468224?s=12
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Just got back.
Almost speechless - it's as bad as I've seen in 50 years of watching: passionless, energy-drained, clueless, leaderless.
Kalinic - made two great saves in the first half; distribution a little rash.
Bree - poor
Taylor - words fail me; appalling
Chester - poor, and getting worse, game by game
Elphick - just about competent
Hourihane - awful: one-paced, powderpuff
Bjarni - barely adequate
McGinn - good, but now he's being targeted by the oppo each week, he looks drained
Bolasie - send him back please
El Ghazi - I actually think he will get better but whilst we are this bad he doesn't really add much
Abraham - should have scored the early chance and then really had nothing to work with thereafter
Why didn't Davis come on to support Abraham?
Why remove the CB when the two fullbacks are having a total mare?
Why not take off the wimpish ineffectual Hourihane when bringing Whelan?
This squad is pisspoor
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I'd that there was some pretty unsavoury behaviour amongst our fans today, too.
- A punch-up just in front of me - one of the perpetrators I've seen doing it before.
- A guy at the end desperate to start something and claiming "you obviously don't go to all the games" to someone with a season ticket and a regular away-fan.
Everything is unravelling in front of our eyes ...
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Hey Dean you weren't supposed to take this seriously you dickhead!
(https://i.ibb.co/QYXW8Mv/ds.jpg) (https://ibb.co/QYXW8Mv)
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Fucking hell
https://twitter.com/villareport/status/1084129031564468224?s=12
A completely laughable decision for the pen, but what were our pair of clowns doing beforehand? I've seen 5-year-olds with better technique & nous. Absolutely appalling stuff.
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I'd that there was some pretty unsavoury behaviour amongst our fans today, too.
- A punch-up just in front of me - one of the perpetrators I've seen doing it before.
- A guy at the end desperate to start something and claiming "you obviously don't go to all the games" to someone with a season ticket and a regular away-fan.
Everything is unravelling in front of our eyes ...
If there was a league for fans who fight amongst themselves, we'd be right up there.
I'd love to know if it's commonplace or if we have a serious problem. The Police and stewards don't have to worry about opposition fans, they need to segregate our own.
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I can fully understand and kind of accept the likes of Taylor and Elphick being totally out their class (in professional football let alone this standard) whats not acceptable were the performances from the likes of Bolasie, Connor and Abraham. Smith needs to get tough. The honeymoon is now a distant memory.
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Fucking hell
https://twitter.com/villareport/status/1084129031564468224?s=12
A completely laughable decision for the pen, but what were our pair of clowns doing beforehand? I've seen 5-year-olds with better technique & nous. Absolutely appalling stuff.
It was soft but I’m not going to put a lot of blame on Hause there. While not the best pass what followed from Whelan is criminal for an experienced professional footballer. Useless bastard.
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I can fully understand and kind of accept the likes of Taylor and Elphick being totally out their class (in professional football let alone this standard) whats not acceptable were the performances from the likes of Bolasie, Connor and Abraham. Smith needs to get tough. The honeymoon is now a distant memory.
Abraham? The guy who has 16 goals?
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Wigan looked like we did when Smith first took over, As soon as our defenders were in possession of the ball (fuck me that was scary) they were pressing us relentlessly into errors. For whatever reason we have stopped doing this.
Our midfield was so deep that they couldn't support the wingers/forwards but we still look wide open, I can't get my head around that.
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Some prick vommed as well into the row.
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What’s certainly happened is that Dean Smith took other managers by surprise early on and got some wins. And now other managers have since scouted us (or what is left of us post Jack and AT) and they know exactly where to hurt us. We are weak and slow and careless in so many areas of the pitch that finding weaknesses and read to expose us has become easy.
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Ok ...who coined the phrase "winnable games"?
I appreciate the squad is a mess right now, I just hope the club overall is in a better condition ...if not we are in trouble
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I'd that there was some pretty unsavoury behaviour amongst our fans today, too.
- A punch-up just in front of me - one of the perpetrators I've seen doing it before.
- A guy at the end desperate to start something and claiming "you obviously don't go to all the games" to someone with a season ticket and a regular away-fan.
Everything is unravelling in front of our eyes ...
If there was a league for fans who fight amongst themselves, we'd be right up there.
I'd love to know if it's commonplace or if we have a serious problem. The Police and stewards don't have to worry about opposition fans, they need to segregate our own.
Their stewards today were telling people to sit where they liked, it caused no end of arguments near me. Unfortunately, I ended up near the worst kind of Stone Island clad scrotes who were causing trouble all game.
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Fucking hell
https://twitter.com/villareport/status/1084129031564468224?s=12
A completely laughable decision for the pen, but what were our pair of clowns doing beforehand? I've seen 5-year-olds with better technique & nous. Absolutely appalling stuff.
Whelan brought on to improve things that’s what makes this more worrying. Awful piece of football in a dangerous area of the field. He shouldn’t be anyway near the first team.
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From the Evening Mail, just the Smith quotes.
“Rubbish,” Smith said. “It was poor today."
“This is the bottom of where I’ve been in my managerial career and I’ve just said to the players it should be the bottom of where they’ve been in their careers.
“Listen, I’m an Aston Villa fan so to come and lose 3-0 two weeks on the spin is very disappointing
Smith added: “I’m bitterly disappointed. I didn’t see that second half performance coming, especially after the first.
“There was nothing between the two sides in the first half, apart from the goal. Kalinic has made a good save early on, Tammy’s had a good chance from their mistake at the back, we had good possession, they had good possession, but nobody has really opened anybody up.
“I felt, second half, we just got frustrated and started playing a little bit individually rather than as a team"
“The amount of times the ball went out of play and it took (a long time) to come back into play, the amount of times the forward went down just killed any chance of us getting any fluidity in the game. We got frustrated and gave away stupid goals from there.”
“Sometimes I have to take some responsibility myself,” said Smith. “We couldn’t get any fluidity in the game in the second half so I decided to be a bit radical and make three changes to try and keep the ball in play, which shouldn’t be my job it should be the referee’s. It didn’t work.”
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Neil Taylor ladies and gents
https://twitter.com/r_villan22/status/1084113979356704768?s=12
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Why are people surprised?? I thought it would take three windows before we would be competitive at the top of this division and then the Prem. with the exception of Grealish this squad ranks amongst the worst I’ve seen. Not one of the team today is worth keeping. And when I think of the money we’ve spent on them I want to weep. It’s gonna take time I’m afraid
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Neil Taylor ladies and gents
https://twitter.com/r_villan22/status/1084113979356704768?s=12
To be the worst Villa left back in recent years takes some doing. He looked bereft of any ability whatsoever. In that clip he gets beaten easily, then just gives up. Abysmal player, needs bomb squadding immediately.
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Neil Taylor ladies and gents
https://twitter.com/r_villan22/status/1084113979356704768?s=12
getting done by skill happens. The lack of effort afterwards is unnaceptable.
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I guess it's time to start thinking about what kind of club we are now.
No more talk about where Villa 'should' be; those days are long gone.
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It was great skill that did Taylor, his giving up was awful mind, what really gets me is the amount of defenders we have in the box and only 1 made any real effort to try and actually defend.
A number of players should be taking a long hard look at themselves tonight, big question is are many of them really that bothered.
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Quite concerning that Smith's solution to the lack of fluidity was to bring on Whelan. That's like popping a handful of Imodium to cure your constipation.
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People are surprised because the same bunch of players, minus Grealish, looked so good just a few weeks ago and outplayed three very decent teams at this level.
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Neil Taylor ladies and gents
https://twitter.com/r_villan22/status/1084113979356704768?s=12
getting done by skill happens. The lack of effort afterwards is unnaceptable.
Jesus that’s criminal. Like you say slowing down instead of busting a gut to stop their player having a free cross is disgraceful.
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Neil Taylor ladies and gents
https://twitter.com/r_villan22/status/1084113979356704768?s=12
getting done by skill happens. The lack of effort afterwards is unnaceptable.
Jesus that’s criminal. Like you say slowing down instead of busting a gut to stop their player having a free cross is disgraceful.
Downing-esque.
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“Sometimes I have to take some responsibility myself,” said Smith.
... words ... some more words ... it was the ref’s fault.
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Neil Taylor ladies and gents
https://twitter.com/r_villan22/status/1084113979356704768?s=12
getting done by skill happens. The lack of effort afterwards is unnaceptable.
Jesus that’s criminal. Like you say slowing down instead of busting a gut to stop their player having a free cross is disgraceful.
Downing-esque.
Lazy, uncommitted, powderpuff.
Our recent downturn is incredible.
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That was pathetic.
Observe, also, Hourihane unable to summon up enough energy to block the shot when he's stood 5 feet away.
Pathetic.
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You remember when we got relegated and we said we had to get out of this division quickly otherwise we’d turn in to one of those big clubs yearning for the old days and stuck without the premier league money forever? (Sheffield weds, Forest, Leeds until this season) We are now in that category.
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People are surprised because the same bunch of players, minus Grealish, looked so good just a few weeks ago and outplayed three very decent teams at this level.
This is worrying. What’s going on behind closed doors that has changed things? It can’t just be Grealish being out.
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How about this?
https://twitter.com/villareport/status/1084129031564468224
Kortney Hause and Glen Whelan, ladies and gentlemen.
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People are surprised because the same bunch of players, minus Grealish, looked so good just a few weeks ago and outplayed three very decent teams at this level.
Still extremely poor though!!! With the exception of Grealish
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How about this?
https://twitter.com/villareport/status/1084129031564468224
Kortney Hause and Glen Whelan, ladies and gentlemen.
Bloody hell. That makes the third Swansea goal last week look like a defensive masterclass by comparison.
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On the train on the way home. Fucking awful. Nobody comes out with any credit at all. Write it off and on to next week. Jesus it was bad.
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Neil Taylor ladies and gents
https://twitter.com/r_villan22/status/1084113979356704768?s=12
Oh dear. Oh dear. Oh dear.
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Taylor, Elphick and Chester are 3 of the worst defenders to don a Villa shirt in my living memory. I am not surprised that we got thumped so easily by a League 1 outfit. We need a new defence made up of two solid signings and two of our kids coming through for start of next season.
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How about this?
https://twitter.com/villareport/status/1084129031564468224
Kortney Hause and Glen Whelan, ladies and gentlemen.
Bloody hell. That makes the third Swansea goal last week look like a defensive masterclass by comparison.
Excellent non League standard football.
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Honeymoon over, the least you can accept from a team is commitment there was none today, apart from McGinn I can't point to one player that earned his wages, the press we used was half hearted players going through the motions no hunger at all. Why would he bring Whelan on when we needed goals when we had Davis on the bench? The new goalkeeper saved us first half against with a couple of brilliant saves but all in all we got turned over by a very ordinary side that fought for the cause. Both full backs were woeful, Hourihane, Whelan, Bolaise useless get rid.
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listen till half time and turn on again to find it was 2 nil,turn back on find it 3 nil,bury a good mate next week a villa fan. would love to get these bastards
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I've been against the Bolaise fiasco from day one - a total waste of money, be it 80k a week or 8k a week. Green should have been given a chance
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I've been against the Bolaise fiasco from day one - a total waste of money, be it 80k a week or 8k a week. Green should have been given a chance
A totally unnecessary and typical Bruce signing.
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I find it a slap in the face and quite frankly an insult that Smith has the nerve to question the referees performance here, the ref should be the furthest thing from his thoughts.
WE HAVE JUST BEEN BATTERED 3-0 BY WIGAN WITHOUT A SINGLE SHOT ON TARGET IN 90+ MINUTES!
How about you get in that f'n dressing room instead and do what should have been done after the Swansea debacle and start wiping the floor with the laziest, cudnt give a toss, disinterested players that you are supposed to be managing.
What coaching or management has he done during the week exactly to try remedy the cup game?.....whatever it was its made things worse.
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I remember a few weeks back this was all Steve Bruces fault. No they are shit players out for an aeasy ride at our expense. We lose to teams like this showing absolutely no passion for club or fans. Bet most of them are partying hard somewhere tonight and saying "Fuck off twats" to us. Keep Grealish and Mcginn and start again. Pay them Ł800 pound a week when they put in a performance like this to let know what life is like outside their protected bubble. BONE IDLE TWATS
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I've been against the Bolaise fiasco from day one - a total waste of money, be it 80k a week or 8k a week. Green should have been given a chance
I pretty much called this out when he came - my Evertonian mates gave me the heads up - he's had time to get fit after a long layoff but like many others he doesn't look arsed - paid mega bucks win or lose
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I remember a few weeks back this was all Steve Bruces fault. No they are shit players out for an aeasy ride at our expense.
Who bought the majority of them?
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It’s still Steve Bruce’s fault. Almost all of it. With the exception of Tammy those loans have been dreadful. And the only transfer that has worked is McGinn. After that just a disaster.
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It was a horrible one, but that's the Championship.
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It was a horrible one, but that's the Championship.
Anyway, my attempt to rationalise a bit what might be going on: I think that Smith's methods need every player to really buy into them and bust a gut, and after the last minute robbery at West Brom, a lot of the players have probably thought that promotion this season is not happening and therefore the level of motivation/enthusiasm/effort/"buying into" has dropped off a cliff. This might be subconscious, or even conscious especially with the loaned players, but either way, Smith for most players is not a manager with gravitas or a name for himself in football circles so again, either subconsciously or consciously the players will not go that extra yard simply for the manager. Contrast with Bielsa who does have a name in the game, therefore his players might still be willing to keep following the manager's directions even if the team is on a run of bad form.
The other explanation might be that we as a club really are cursed to always play this way, and no combination of manager, players or owners will make any difference at all.
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Lets see what Dean is made of over the next few games... he has been let down by players for the last half dozen games and made noises in his post match interview today. The very least I expect to see is several of these players being dropped ...Taylor, Hourihane, Bolasie, Whelan and even better would be to end Bolasie loan to show these highly paid wasters that he will not put up with a lack of effort and indifference, its a position we have plenty of cover in and helps our FFP. Hopefully he can also supplement these actions with a couple of new signings who may even listen to what he is asking them to do.
Its a fine line between supporting players in public and showing them who is boss which seems harder to do in this age of player power but now is the time.....it will also get the supporters onside to see less talk and more action.
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I think the Bolasie should be sent back. Now.
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How about this?
https://twitter.com/villareport/status/1084129031564468224
Kortney Hause and Glen Whelan, ladies and gentlemen.
dreadful but was never a penalty in a million years
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Those players don’t deserve the support they get. Today was right up there with the worst performances, and there are lots of them to choose from. In short, I wouldn’t miss any of them if we got rid, bar Jack and McGinn. Today was an absolute disgrace, of which they should be ashamed. A pox on their million pound houses.
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Lets see what Dean is made of over the next few games... he has been let down by players for the last half dozen games and made noises in his post match interview today. The very least I expect to see is several of these players being dropped ...Taylor, Hourihane, Bolasie, Whelan and even better would be to end Bolasie loan to show these highly paid wasters that he will not put up with a lack of effort and indifference, its a position we have plenty of cover in and helps our FFP. Hopefully he can also supplement these actions with a couple of new signings who may even listen to what he is asking them to do.
Its a fine line between supporting players in public and showing them who is boss which seems harder to do in this age of player power but now is the time.....it will also get the supporters onside to see less talk and more action.
I agree with all of that, but Smith has been found just as wanting as the players.
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Has Smith taken us as far as he can?
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I considered today a bellwether for Smith's reign after the Swansea defeat, perhaps, looking positively, we can postpone it 'till these upcoming home games and make a judgement at the end of the month?
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Has Smith taken us as far as he can?
I’m really hoping you are being ironic !
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I find it a slap in the face and quite frankly an insult that Smith has the nerve to question the referees performance here, the ref should be the furthest thing from his thoughts.
WE HAVE JUST BEEN BATTERED 3-0 BY WIGAN WITHOUT A SINGLE SHOT ON TARGET IN 90+ MINUTES!
How about you get in that f'n dressing room instead and do what should have been done after the Swansea debacle and start wiping the floor with the laziest, cudnt give a toss, disinterested players that you are supposed to be managing.
What coaching or management has he done during the week exactly to try remedy the cup game?.....whatever it was its made things worse.
Yup
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So far Smith seems too soft. Needs to rip them all a new arsehole.
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I’m sure what he said to the cameras compared to what he said in the dressing room was like night and day.
For about 10 seconds today we were 7th. If we can get back to back wins we’ll be back around the Playoff spots again.
Glass always half full for me I’m afraid.
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I find it a slap in the face and quite frankly an insult that Smith has the nerve to question the referees performance here, the ref should be the furthest thing from his thoughts.
WE HAVE JUST BEEN BATTERED 3-0 BY WIGAN WITHOUT A SINGLE SHOT ON TARGET IN 90+ MINUTES!
How about you get in that f'n dressing room instead and do what should have been done after the Swansea debacle and start wiping the floor with the laziest, cudnt give a toss, disinterested players that you are supposed to be managing.
What coaching or management has he done during the week exactly to try remedy the cup game?.....whatever it was its made things worse.
Yup
I have to agree. Driving back, I just couldn't believe Smith was looking for an excuse with the referee after what was an utterly inexcusable performance.
We gave a team short of confidence on a dreadful run, a reason to somehow believe, and for the 6th game in a row we were caught regularly by diagonal balls to the flanks. So nothing learnt there.
The triple substitution involved a change in personnel, a cameo of the worst debut in ages, if not of all time, and significantly, absolutely no change in tactics or effort.
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I considered today a bellwether for Smith's reign after the Swansea defeat, perhaps, looking positively, we can postpone it 'till these upcoming home games and make a judgement at the end of the month?
You can judge Smith when he’s signed his own players and got rid of Bruce’s
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I wonder if the players are fit enough to play the way Smith wants them to. It's the only explanation I have because for the life of me, I cannot believe how shit we've become.
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They were fit enough for a few games after he arrived
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I wonder if the players are fit enough to play the way Smith wants them to. It's the only explanation I have because for the life of me, I cannot believe how shit we've become.
The problem is mainly the injury to Grealish. He can dictate the tempo of a game, and has that special ability to make himself loads of time and space to pick a pass or feed the wingers. When he has the ball, he draws the opposition to him, freeing up loads of space for the wingers and Tammy.
It looks to me that Smith has been trying to deal with his absence by asking McGinn to play that role instead. McGinn is full of energy and running but doesn't have the ability of Jack. He kept running at Wigan today, but nearly always got crowded out before he could make a pass. We then just resorted to lumping the ball from the back and down the wings. I would actually argue that Smith's style when played well doesn't require super human energy levels, as it's about retaining the ball and pressing the opposition to make mistakes. It's when it does badly that the players look knackered, as they're running around like Bruceball headless chickens.
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WE HAVE JUST BEEN BATTERED 3-0 BY WIGAN WITHOUT A SINGLE SHOT ON TARGET IN 90+ MINUTES!
Yeah, it was a bad one. But that's the Championship for you. We go again.
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No-one came out of that with any credit other than Mcginn and how many times have we said that lately.
As for the Elphick sub, he must have taken a knock surely. It would have been pointless otherwise.
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No-one came out of that with any credit other than Mcginn and how many times have we said that lately.
As for the Elphick sub, he must have taken a knock surely. It would have been pointless otherwise.
Smith said it was an attempt to balance up the defence by playing Chester on his right side. Elphick looked absolutely furious, no way was he injured.
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Elphick has come back in and we’ve continued shipping goals, if he doesn’t want to be dragged off he should get better, fuck him.
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I wonder if the players are fit enough to play the way Smith wants them to. It's the only explanation I have because for the life of me, I cannot believe how shit we've become.
A decent theory, and one which is difficult to refute. The close season limbo period before the ownership takeover hit us on several levels. We have more than our fair share of showboat players who look brilliant when things are going our way, but no real spine when things get tough. The lack of a proper pre-season most likely accounts for the lack of fitness after the initial surge following the new manager's appointment.
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They are fit enough. For some reason they aren’t motivated enough.
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I considered today a bellwether for Smith's reign after the Swansea defeat, perhaps, looking positively, we can postpone it 'till these upcoming home games and make a judgement at the end of the month?
You can judge Smith when he’s signed his own players and got rid of Bruce’s
That's going to take ages.
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It's the lack of pride and professionalism that gets me. However baffling the tactics or substitutions I'd still hope the players would take some personal responsibility and at least try to justify their place. All players have days when things just don't come off for them, but too often ours fail to execute the most basic skills. Surely if you keep fucking up you get a grip, knuckle down, focus and keep it simple. Not our lot, they just keep titting around. Control and passing goes out of the window. They could at least have the decency to look embarrassed.
The second half was just astonishingly inept. If we strung three passes together I don't remember it. The penalty incident was a perfect snapshot of the half, an object lesson in careless, sloppy passing, and gifting the ball back to Wigan on a plate with a pickle and a crescent of crisps. Bjarni's booking came about in exactly the same way, a couple of half-arsed passes to a man under pressure and he has to foul. That was after about an hour, and we still didn't wake up, just carried on blithely making the same mistakes with barely a shrug. It was one big cack-handed surrender.
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They are fit enough. For some reason they aren’t motivated enough.
They are quite clearly not fit enough to play the way the manager wants them to play. They could do it for a few games then the bubble burst. Look at the extensive and well documented pre-season training conducted by Wagner last season and Bielsa this season with less talented squads and things become clearer.
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They are fit enough. For some reason they aren’t motivated enough.
Let's be honest, these kind of results and performances have always only just been round the corner for years now. Was at another game today so was following the score updates and you didn't need to be there to imagine exactly what the performance was like. Dean Smith is beginning to have the same head scratching look after games that Bruce an De Matteo had, as if they couldn't really quite get their head around what they had just witnessed.
There is a deep malaise at the club, that just cannot seem to be lifted.
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They are fit enough. For some reason they aren’t motivated enough.
They are quite clearly not fit enough to play the way the manager wants them to play. They could do it for a few games then the bubble burst. Look at the extensive and well documented pre-season training conducted by Wagner last season and Bielsa this season with less talented squads and things become clearer.
Well if they’ve become less fit over the Xmas period then that’s a big black mark against Smith
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It’s a plausible and probably the least bad explanation for that shit show. If he’s come in and beasted a load of pampered, flabby players you’d expect them to get burned out, plus the injuries in training.
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I don’t buy the fitness argument, did Brentford look unfitunder Smith?
I think it’s a combination too many older players, a of lack of ability and desire.
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Elphick has come back in and we’ve continued shipping goals, if he doesn’t want to be dragged off he should get better, fuck him.
Then maybe the “captain” should have come off instead given he’s been here throughout us shipping goals. He’s been a very pale shadow of the player he was last season. Last I check the side he just left, where he was a regular starter is top of the form guide.
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Ever since we got relegated we have appeared to be buying the right players who had been outstanding in this division to get us out of it.....Chester, De Laet, Elphick, Taylor, Hourihane, Adomah, Lansbury, McCormack, Hogan, Kodjia.
They come to us and they turn to shite....overnight in some cases.
How long before McGuinn is ruined?
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Fitness bothers me. It's one of the weakest parts of our game - when was the last time we put in a ninety-minute performance? Yet we have one of the best training facilities in the country. So why do we look so knackered all the time?
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Elphick has come back in and we’ve continued shipping goals, if he doesn’t want to be dragged off he should get better, fuck him.
Then maybe the “captain” should have come off instead given he’s been here throughout us shipping goals. He’s been a very pale shadow of the player he was last season. Last I check the side he just left, where he was a regular starter is top of the form guide.
Chester was outstanding next to Terry.
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Shower of overpayed wankers who are no better than Kevin gage, bernie Gallagher, Steve sims or David hunt. I'm backing Dean u smith all day long now, enough is enough, bin the ****** who won't show up against Wigan and get a team of men, maybe like oh John gidman, Leighton Phillips , Alex cropley or Andy gray. The most piss poor villa side in my 50 years on this planet without a doubt, I'd love 5 mins in the changing room with these wankers, 3 fucking nil at Wigan, you fucking jokers, lads who have rocked up in numbers today and you dish that shit out, I had the privilege of watching my 10 year old son play this morning with St nichs at farzley in Tamworth and they battled their bollocks off for 0 0 draw, hang your heads in shame you spineless wankers.
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Elphick has come back in and we’ve continued shipping goals, if he doesn’t want to be dragged off he should get better, fuck him.
Then maybe the “captain” should have come off instead given he’s been here throughout us shipping goals. He’s been a very pale shadow of the player he was last season. Last I check the side he just left, where he was a regular starter is top of the form guide.
Chester was outstanding next to Terry.
He absolutely was. Terry elevated his game, almost made it easy by being a proper leader and outstanding defender. I’ve compared this drop in form before to Curtis Davies who looked brilliant next to Laursen to the pub player when Laursen was out. Some players are just great best supporting actors.
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Fitness bothers me. It's one of the weakest parts of our game - when was the last time we put in a ninety-minute performance? Yet we have one of the best training facilities in the country. So why do we look so knackered all the time?
A 90 minute performance isn’t necessarily about fitness. It’s about controlling the game. How many times have we seen us sit deep in the last 10 mins and concede?
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Despite all the positivity this week with Abraham staying and Hause coming in to the club and the comments from Smith that Pitarch is 'really busy", once I saw the side today, I feared the worst. Still no major creativity in the side, still a really poor midfield, still a really poor set of defenders. The nature of the defeat is unpalatable, especially as Wigan hadn't won for yonks, but I am not that surprised about us being beaten. We really are a very. very ordinary side and it breaks all of our hearts as we all know it. We only have two or three class players.
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Fitness bothers me. It's one of the weakest parts of our game - when was the last time we put in a ninety-minute performance? Yet we have one of the best training facilities in the country. So why do we look so knackered all the time?
A 90 minute performance isn’t necessarily about fitness. It’s about controlling the game. How many times have we seen us sit deep in the last 10 mins and concede?
Well, yes, but I suppose the point I didn't really stress was that we don't keep going, and hardly ever do. Contrast with the late winners Norwich and Leeds have managed which help put them out in front.
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Fuck it, I’m going to say it again.
Compare us to Leeds who changed their manager a few months before us.
Our squad ‘theoretically’ is miles better than theirs and yet they are playing a different game to us.
And soon, a different division.
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Bielsa had the advantage of all of pre-season to instill what he wanted. It's a lot easier to do it then than it is a chunk into the season with players injured, a squad you can't change for ages and so on.
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Having a "theoretically" better squad than our rivals is useless. Besides, I don't buy that anyway. I've thought for a good while that our squad is overrated; most of them turn it on for us only occasionally.
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I agree Pws, but the gap between how they play and how we have played over the last few games has got massively wider.
We are regressing at a rate of knots and Deano needs to address this pretty damn quickly.
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I banged on about bielsa and got ridiculed, he will get them promoted.
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Well that pathetic performance this afternoon ranks alongside any i have witnessed over the years and there has been a few. Losing i can accept but to be outplayed and outfought by a team who had won one of their previous 12 games i can not. With the exception of Kalinic and McGinn the rest were a disgrace to the shirt as far as i am concerned .Schoolboy type errors made time and time again .The second goal the goalscorer was left unmarked to pick his spot and the third was ,well just a right cock up .As the weeks go on ,Smith is starting to worry me more and more.To bring on Hause and that plodder Whelan on when we were losing was a strange decision .He seems obsessed with Whelan and seems determined to have him involved at any cost .
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Leeds look so much fitter and because the players have seen the methods Bielsa has bought in bear fruit, it has created an unstoppable momentum where conceded goals are blips and losses are not the start of bad runs. The conundrum is why, when Smith's start started to create a roll lf its own, our squad has stopped believing in him. They just seemed defeated.
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Ever since we got relegated we have appeared to be buying the right players who had been outstanding in this division to get us out of it.....Chester, De Laet, Elphick, Taylor, Hourihane, Adomah, Lansbury, McCormack, Hogan, Kodjia.
They come to us and they turn to shite....overnight in some cases.
How long before McGuinn is ruined?
Yep and all got put on long contracts and big money and some of them have been on easy street since the day they arrived. They know that the club can't get rid of them and that no one else at their level could pay them that sort of money so they have coasted along offering very little in return.
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Leeds have certainly benefited hugely from having Bielsa at the helm & him having a pre-season with the players. That said, how long has it taken that club to finally hit on that elusive winning formula that we see now?
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Leeds look so much fitter and because the players have seen the methods Bielsa has bought in bear fruit, it has created an unstoppable momentum where conceded goals are blips and losses are not the start of bad runs. The conundrum is why, when Smith's start started to create a roll lf its own, our squad has stopped believing in him. They just seemed defeated.
Why indeed. I think the vast majority of us think JG being out has been a very significant factor, but it can't explain why so many of our team have turned to shite in recent weeks. Dean Smith's got one helluva job on his hands to turn this abysmal run round. Rather him than me.
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No-one came out of that with any credit other than Mcginn and how many times have we said that lately.
As for the Elphick sub, he must have taken a knock surely. It would have been pointless otherwise.
Smith said it was an attempt to balance up the defence by playing Chester on his right side. Elphick looked absolutely furious, no way was he injured.
If that's the case, then it was a waste of a sub.. How much difference Davis or Hogan would have made I'm not sure but changing centre half positions was the least of our priorities.
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I don't think Dean Smith will come back from a performance like that. It was the worst I have seen in 30 years years of attending and I sat through all 8 goals at Chelsea a few years ago. Today was the lowest point for me because you have to take into consideration who we were playing. In the relegation year we were playing premier league teams, and in the 8-0 at Chelsea we were playing against people like Lampard, Hazard, Torres etc. Today we got battered by Wigan.
Yes the players might have a lot of deficiencies and poor attitude, but minus Grealish and Tuanzebe, it is the same group that played so well at Derby and Middlesbrough. And missing those two during the first half against Leeds didn't seem to mean we were uncompetitive like we were today. It wasn't even a game today. So what has gone wrong? Given the lack of effort in the last two games it looks to me like Smith has lost the players completely. I have seen enough football to know that when a team plays like that the managers time is up. No he doesn't have his own players but you can't just sign a whole new team. A skilful manager will adapt to what he has in the squad and work accordingly. I desperately wanted DS to succeed, but his absurd substitutions this afternoon suggested he has no tactical flexibility and he only has one way of playing. It's great to believe in your style, but if the people at your disposal aren't capable you need to be open to doing something different and I am not sure he is. Sadly it isn't going to work out
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When i heard Smith say the one thing we can guarantee in this team is goals i remember thinking what a silly thing to say.Since he said that i think we have scored once in three games
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Deano being quite absolute that it's the bottom line on performance however that was intimated under Bruce several times .
I not sure exactly what JT who is essentially new to coaching role is doing and probably needs some more experience.
Neil Taylor needs some competition for his place.
And I thinking now it's 2 new midfielders this window who fit Smiths style.
Whelan trying to play out I'm afraid was both caught and had very little option as much as his limited availability.
The worst thing is old man Gary Roberts who is 102 scored and outshine Hourihane in his movement .
The inability to stop conceding goals is a major downfall at the moment.
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Fucking hell
https://twitter.com/villareport/status/1084129031564468224?s=12
It's the flapping of his arms that he does after the 'foul' that gives me such confidence in him.
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I'd that there was some pretty unsavoury behaviour amongst our fans today, too.
- A punch-up just in front of me - one of the perpetrators I've seen doing it before.
- A guy at the end desperate to start something and claiming "you obviously don't go to all the games" to someone with a season ticket and a regular away-fan.
Everything is unravelling in front of our eyes ...
I go to more aways than homes and there are some depressing fucking Herberts who follow us.
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We go a goal behind and he brings on Whelan ffs, what the hell do managers get paid for, he could have brought on Davis and given us another avenue to goal. I can think of managers who would not tolerate an effort like that once let alone two weeks running.
If they had performed today he would have been given some latitude for the Swansea performance, but obviously the players are taking liberties. A great chance to close the gap and yet again the same players making the same mistakes.
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I’ve woke up this morning frustrated as a win yesterday would have put us close to derby. I have tried to think why are we so poor compared to a few weeks ago. Defensively we have been poor under smith and that hasn’t changed last few weeks we desperately need a left back but I don’t see us improving significantly until the sumner in this area.
For me the major change is in midfield without jack we lack mobility with exception of McGinn and the players we have can’t do it. They can’t carry the ball up the pitch and between the lines to then give the ball to the attacking three much higher up the pitch.
My criticism of smith is you have to then find an alternative style adapt etc until jack is back be more solid.
Whelan Taylor hourihane and slightly less so bjarnsson bree Chester are not good enough for smiths style of play and that is the big worry as we can’t simply just keep going out and buying players
Bolasie el ghazi are talented players but you worry are they really up for the fight.
I just find it so criminal that we have a squad of players who with the exception of a sprinkling of quality in Grealish axel McGinn and Tammy are woeful
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Hourihane is absolutely lamentable.
He's an apparition off the ball. He ceases to exist. BB has come back woeful too.
The midfield doesn't get close and offers no protection or movement. McGinn is covering three positions.
Smith needs to recognise and adapt short term, as we've been absolutely awful since the Albion game.
Utterly inept subs yesterday.
But the players want fucking shooting too. The lack of effort was astounding. One of the very worst performances I've ever seen.
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Bielsa had the advantage of all of pre-season to instill what he wanted. It's a lot easier to do it then than it is a chunk into the season with players injured, a squad you can't change for ages and so on.
And many of the Leeds team are young, ethusiastic, seem to have some point to prove and have had some pride instilled into them.
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Bielsa had the advantage of all of pre-season to instill what he wanted. It's a lot easier to do it then than it is a chunk into the season with players injured, a squad you can't change for ages and so on.
And many of the Leeds team are young, ethusiastic, seem to have some point to prove and have had some pride instilled into them.
3 times A DAY for months. He had them sleeping at the training ground. We need Deano to have a full pre season.
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I think the Bolasie should be sent back. Now.
People keep saying this. Isn’t it a season long loan - can we actually send him back?
More to the point we were happy enough with him when we were scoring for fun a few weeks ago. He could well have a role to play for us yer
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Ever since we got relegated we have appeared to be buying the right players who had been outstanding in this division to get us out of it.....Chester, De Laet, Elphick, Taylor, Hourihane, Adomah, Lansbury, McCormack, Hogan, Kodjia.
They come to us and they turn to shite....overnight in some cases.
How long before McGuinn is ruined?
How many players have we bought over the last 3 years that have been for the future (probably only McGinn and Bree). We have bought a team of individuals and supplemented them with short term loans. We have spent money on players (at the start of RDM) that are 3 years older and virtually finished at this level. We have then added to them.
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I considered today a bellwether for Smith's reign after the Swansea defeat, perhaps, looking positively, we can postpone it 'till these upcoming home games and make a judgement at the end of the month?
You can judge Smith when he’s signed his own players and got rid of Bruce’s
That's going to take ages.
Indeed it is. Like I said before, I estimate three windows at least including this one
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It's because we bought long term to no real plan. Bruce was clueless.
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I think the Bolasie should be sent back. Now.
People keep saying this. Isn’t it a season long loan - can we actually send him back?
More to the point we were happy enough with him when we were scoring for fun a few weeks ago. He could well have a role to play for us yer
I agree. He was woeful yesterday but he wasn't the only one.
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I think the Bolasie should be sent back. Now.
People keep saying this. Isn’t it a season long loan - can we actually send him back?
More to the point we were happy enough with him when we were scoring for fun a few weeks ago. He could well have a role to play for us yer
If clubs can recall a player then surely they can also be sent back if it doesn’t work out?
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I think the Bolasie should be sent back. Now.
People keep saying this. Isn’t it a season long loan - can we actually send him back?
More to the point we were happy enough with him when we were scoring for fun a few weeks ago. He could well have a role to play for us yer
I agree. He was woeful yesterday but he wasn't the only one.
It is getting to the point where we need to consider if we still need him (assuming we could send him back). For the money we are supposed to be paying him, there is a feeling that you have to play him. He is too much of an individual and could be the 'icing on the cake' for a team doing well but no use in building a team.
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Fuck it, I’m going to say it again.
Compare us to Leeds who changed their manager a few months before us.
Our squad ‘theoretically’ is miles better than theirs and yet they are playing a different game to us.
And soon, a different division.
He clearly also trusts his younger players. Some of them don't look like they've started shaving yet but clearly they work well as a team and all put in a shift.
We need to ship out wasters like Bolasie for a start. Quality gets you so far, when you haven't got the heart or desire then we're wasting our time and money.
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Wingers are always inconsistent, when he’s on it he’s close to unplayable. He’s emblematic of Deans tenure so far, either brilliant or atrocious.
Whilst we still have a shot at the play offs I’d keep him here but maybe use as an impact sub more often than not.
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Certainly one of the worst collective performances I've seen in in 40 years. I just can't put into words how shambolic the team were,from first to last minute. Its hard to see how we mount any sort of run after that, it was so bad. All very depressing after such a positive run of games under DS. I'm accepting we are the new Leeds and will spend a considerable time in the Championship.
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At least it was a positive seeing that liability of a footballer, Hutton, getting dropped yesterday, all to the utter delight of many posters here!
Yes, we played so much better without him, being rock stolid in defence and with scintillating full backs, defending and attacking with passion!
We kept the score down to only three goals conceded to the mighty Wigan who are (not by a long way) the form team of the league.
All in all very positive then, hopefully we won't see Hutton again as all our ills have been solved now with the dropping of him and we can all hopefully move onto a more deserving scapegoat, although I somehow doubt it!
As an aside the team has to give the crowd something to cheer about, (not ONE shot on target in the whole game), more atmosphere in the concourse before the game than at anytime during the game. UTV
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Wingers are always inconsistent, when he’s on it he’s close to unplayable. He’s emblematic of Deans tenure so far, either brilliant or atrocious.
Whilst we still have a shot at the play offs I’d keep him here but maybe use as an impact sub more often than not.
I've never seen him brilliant, let alone unplayable. He's put in a few 'good' performances and done occasional 'impressive' things in an otherwise mediocre performance but that's about it. He looks like a nut job to me, a complete individual that goes against what I hope Smith will be trying to build here. He's by no means been a failure but if he was sent back i'd understand why and wouldn't be upset in the slightest.
As for Hourahane, I've never been convinced. He does score a cracking free kick from time to time and is certainly useful on the bench but for a promotion gaining team he's not good enough to be in the 11. Quite an arrogant fucker as well, which never goes down well with me unless they really have something to be arrogant about.
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At least it was a positive seeing that liability of a footballer, Hutton, getting dropped yesterday, all to the utter delight of many posters here!
Yes, we played so much better without him, being rock stolid in defence and with scintillating full backs, defending and attacking with passion!
We kept the score down to only three goals conceded to the mighty Wigan who are (not by a long way) the form team of the league.
All in all very positive then, hopefully we won't see Hutton again as all our ills have been solved now with the dropping of him and we can all hopefully move onto a more deserving scapegoat, although I somehow doubt it!
As an aside the team has to give the crowd something to cheer about, (not ONE shot on target in the whole game), more atmosphere in the concourse before the game than at anytime during the game. UTV
Ah, but you're forgetting Gabby still playing and dragging us down. Not to mention his negative influence in the dressing room since the Swansea match. How's a top manager supposed to cope with that!?
;D
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Guess Smith has given up on Hogan too if he didn't bring him on yesterday ?
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At least it was a positive seeing that liability of a footballer, Hutton, getting dropped yesterday, all to the utter delight of many posters here!
Who's that, then?
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Certainly one of the worst collective performances I've seen in in 40 years. I just can't put into words how shambolic the team were,from first to last minute. Its hard to see how we mount any sort of run after that, it was so bad. All very depressing after such a positive run of games under DS. I'm accepting we are the new Leeds and will spend a considerable time in the Championship.
We looked shambolic apart from Kalinic who managed to keep the score down to 'only' three goals with some excellent saves. We knew Bruce had left us with problems in defence but with two defenders like Smith and Terry coaching the side surely we should be defending better as a team.
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At least it was a positive seeing that liability of a footballer, Hutton, getting dropped yesterday, all to the utter delight of many posters here!
Who's that, then?
If you read the a Hutton thread you’ll see a raft of people who would be delighted he was dropped.
I don’t think the result would have been any different if he played, but it does show that our issues go far deeper than the current scapegoats Hutton & Wheelan
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Fuck it, I’m going to say it again.
Compare us to Leeds who changed their manager a few months before us.
Our squad ‘theoretically’ is miles better than theirs and yet they are playing a different game to us.
And soon, a different division.
all 18 and 19 years olds on their bench
makes a change than a 64 year old whelan
47 years old Hutton
and a 43 year old Elmo
and Jedi stuck in an OAP home
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If you look at it purely from comparing the players in the team now compared to the last couple of seasons, I think we look weaker, more unbalanced and we certainly lack leadership and conviction in comparison.
Issues as i see it;
Terry > Tuanzebe. Terry a bit better in terms of performance but more significantly a real leader and driving force from defence. Add to this the fact that Chester has to swap positions to accomodate Tuenzebe and this is a significantly weaker area. Hause has come in and has hardly played for a year or so, he'll need time. Can he offer the leadership skills needed at the back?
Snograss > Bolasie. Again, Snodgrass consistantly better on the pitch, also appeared to be a leader further up the pitch, always shouting, rallying and encouraging. Bolasie just waves his arms about when things dont quite come off, which is quite frequent.
Admomah (in form) > Adomah (out of form) / El Ghazi. Adaomah had a great run last season, scoring loads from wide and playing his part in purposful attacks consistantly. Not been anything like this season, and aside from a few good matches and moments in matches El Ghazi has not been up to it.
Johnstone > Whoever has been in goal this season. Johnstone simply much better than anyone who has been in goal this season and that instills confidence in the whole defence.
Grealish injured at the moment - this is clearly having a big impact on our ability to create chances and at generally keeping hold of the ball in advanced positions. Took him a little while to get going this season but was in great form before the injury and has been missed badly since.
Jedinak - Did anyone else notice that when he was in the team in the previous two seasons (in midfield that is), we always had a way better win rate. Another leader, a good pro and a player that wouldn't let the opposition dominate the midfield. Is he unfit? Is he finished? I don't know but he's certainly missed this season. Imagine having him (in form), McGinn and Grealish as the midfield.
Kodjia - Our best player in his first season, injured last but back, looking fit and being played out of position. OK, Abraham has been great and his goalscoring record is superb so it counters the argument but Kodjia is redundant for me at the moment. Unless he's playing where Abraham is you might as well not bother.
Positives this season are Abrahams goals and McGinn is an improvement on playing BB or Whelen there but thats about it. We still havent sorted out the problem left back position that we've had for months, years even and not playing Hutton in a team lacks leadership and appears to lack people who give a fuck is a bad decision. Not saying he's going to give you John Terry's influence but he's surely got more of a mouth than Bree, who doesn't appear to speak.
In summary, i think we need to get Grealish back, get Chester back on the right, hope the new GK turns out to be a good one, get a good left back, a good winger, play Hutton instead of Bree and get a couple of leaders in at centre back (left) and centre midfield (alongside McGinn). And if Abraham does end up leaving, give Kodjia his place back. This should enable any money to be spent elsewhere, preferably on proper signings rather than loans.
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Depressing - the lack of effort signifies lack of motivation - why aren’t they? Smith needs to find some motivation and soon.
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I'd that there was some pretty unsavoury behaviour amongst our fans today, too.
- A punch-up just in front of me - one of the perpetrators I've seen doing it before.
- A guy at the end desperate to start something and claiming "you obviously don't go to all the games" to someone with a season ticket and a regular away-fan.
Everything is unravelling in front of our eyes ...
I go to more aways than homes and there are some depressing fucking Herberts who follow us.
Absolutely this. It also seems the bigger the allocation, the worse our support becomes. I’ve taken my 10 year old to the last 2 away games and you’re more aware of the twattish behaviour when you have kids with you.
At Preston we had to dodge the flying beer on the concourse to make it to the toilets where several people were pissing in the sinks (whilst singing “we’ll piss where we want”). Yesterday there were people openly taking cocaine whilst standing by the urinals.
The day was topped off by the bellend behind us trying to smash up two seats when we went 3 down. On a positive note I managed not to see any of our fans fighting each other which makes a change, although I’m not surprised that it did happen.
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A bloke was so drunk he couldn't stand up as he tried to find his seat. 15 minutes later he was stood there and just vomming while he watched the game.
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Time for a change around. Too many not putting it in. Atleast you’ll get 8 putting in the effort from this team.
———————Kalinic
———Hutton - Chester - Hause
Adomah——-Hourihane-—Bjarnasson
————McGinn———COH
—— —-Davies———Tammy
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Just seen the highlights but did Wigan take every corner from outside the quadrant? Cheating fuxkers.
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A bloke was so drunk he couldn't stand up as he tried to find his seat. 15 minutes later he was stood there and just vomming while he watched the game.
Bad pie?
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A bloke was so drunk he couldn't stand up as he tried to find his seat. 15 minutes later he was stood there and just vomming while he watched the game.
Sorry about that. Felt loads better after.
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Only the second time I have left early in all the years following the Villa. That speaks volumes on how woeful the performance was.
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A bloke was so drunk he couldn't stand up as he tried to find his seat. 15 minutes later he was stood there and just vomming while he watched the game.
Going all that way, spending all that money and he has no idea how we played or how the match went. That lucky bastard!
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I'd that there was some pretty unsavoury behaviour amongst our fans today, too.
- A punch-up just in front of me - one of the perpetrators I've seen doing it before.
- A guy at the end desperate to start something and claiming "you obviously don't go to all the games" to someone with a season ticket and a regular away-fan.
Everything is unravelling in front of our eyes ...
I go to more aways than homes and there are some depressing fucking Herberts who follow us.
Absolutely this. It also seems the bigger the allocation, the worse our support becomes. I’ve taken my 10 year old to the last 2 away games and you’re more aware of the twattish behaviour when you have kids with you.
At Preston we had to dodge the flying beer on the concourse to make it to the toilets where several people were pissing in the sinks (whilst singing “we’ll piss where we want”). Yesterday there were people openly taking cocaine whilst standing by the urinals.
The day was topped off by the bellend behind us trying to smash up two seats when we went 3 down. On a positive note I managed not to see any of our fans fighting each other which makes a change, although I’m not surprised that it did happen.
Was going to take my son, but was glad I didn't. The tossers with their mosh pit in the middle of the concourse slinging beer about make it not a place to take kids.
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Interesting point about Wigan taking their corners outside the quadrant .I was sat in amongst their fans in line with where they scored in the second half .On at least two occasions the linesman standing almost next to the corner taker had to tell him to put the ball in the quadrant ,so you can imagine what it was like on the other side of the pitch. The officials in this awful division really leave a lot to be desired. As for the pen,never a pen the ref was conned by the dive .
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I'd that there was some pretty unsavoury behaviour amongst our fans today, too.
- A punch-up just in front of me - one of the perpetrators I've seen doing it before.
- A guy at the end desperate to start something and claiming "you obviously don't go to all the games" to someone with a season ticket and a regular away-fan.
Everything is unravelling in front of our eyes ...
I go to more aways than homes and there are some depressing fucking Herberts who follow us.
Absolutely this. It also seems the bigger the allocation, the worse our support becomes. I’ve taken my 10 year old to the last 2 away games and you’re more aware of the twattish behaviour when you have kids with you.
At Preston we had to dodge the flying beer on the concourse to make it to the toilets where several people were pissing in the sinks (whilst singing “we’ll piss where we want”). Yesterday there were people openly taking cocaine whilst standing by the urinals.
The day was topped off by the bellend behind us trying to smash up two seats when we went 3 down. On a positive note I managed not to see any of our fans fighting each other which makes a change, although I’m not surprised that it did happen.
It's the fixture.
Every single year, we have people relaying tales of absolute cuntery from our fans at Wigan. It's the big allocation plus the lack of glamour which means it's always a Saturday 3 o'clock kick off which means plenty of booze time.
Blackburn is the same.
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I'd that there was some pretty unsavoury behaviour amongst our fans today, too.
- A punch-up just in front of me - one of the perpetrators I've seen doing it before.
- A guy at the end desperate to start something and claiming "you obviously don't go to all the games" to someone with a season ticket and a regular away-fan.
Everything is unravelling in front of our eyes ...
I go to more aways than homes and there are some depressing fucking Herberts who follow us.
Absolutely this. It also seems the bigger the allocation, the worse our support becomes. I’ve taken my 10 year old to the last 2 away games and you’re more aware of the twattish behaviour when you have kids with you.
At Preston we had to dodge the flying beer on the concourse to make it to the toilets where several people were pissing in the sinks (whilst singing “we’ll piss where we want”). Yesterday there were people openly taking cocaine whilst standing by the urinals.
The day was topped off by the bellend behind us trying to smash up two seats when we went 3 down. On a positive note I managed not to see any of our fans fighting each other which makes a change, although I’m not surprised that it did happen.
It's the fixture.
Every single year, we have people relaying tales of absolute cuntery from our fans at Wigan. It's the big allocation plus the lack of glamour which means it's always a Saturday 3 o'clock kick off which means plenty of booze time.
Blackburn is the same.
Plus the home fans are also less likely to respond to the aggravation - unlike perhaps bigger cities like Leeds or Sheffield
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That was as bad as Wycombe in the cup a couple of years ago. We are staying down here for a long time. Smith needs to build his own team. But Jesus what is it with Villa managers who develop this disease of picking the same shit players who’ve been proven to be not good enough time and again.
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The squads for recent games makes me question how good our under 23s are.
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Big shout out to the middle aged arsehole who gave a passionate speech in the bogs on about 88 minutes about how we all, as supporters could make a huge difference by going out and smashing the town up
Luckily his rallying cry fell on deaf ears and most just looked at him with a sense of pity and sadness
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As for the U-23's, I've just watched them beat top of the league Man U 5-1. However we were truly awful. Not one player good enough for 1st team football in the Championship and no recognizable style of play or team tactic or shape. Shockingly bad in all departments. Even at 5-1 and against ten men we had no real control of the pace of the game or the ball itself.Woeful.
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That was, without a doubt the worst performance I can recall since last Saturday. Or Coventry away 1992 if i'm being more honest.
We have no visible shape, formation, tactics or quality all of a sudden. I'm not having this Grealish out means everyone else turns to shit excuse. How can missing one, very good player effect the rest of them that much?. It was only a blink of an eye ago that we looked like a team who were set out to play a certain way and did exactly that and reaped the rewards. Now all of a sudden it's like they go onto the pitch with absolutely no instructions at all. It's alarming the difference in such a short period of time. Has something happened behind closed doors that we don't know about? are Smith's instructions being ignored or has he stopped giving them any? i can't fathom out what's happened.
The defence isn't anything of the sort, it's piss poor and staffed by a collection of individuals who look like they've never met each other before running out onto the pitch. I've never rated Elphick, but Chester was once the best defender in this league not so long ago. He was a Rolls Royce at this level and is now playing like a knackered Austin Allegro. Taylor isn't even playing like the bog average player he is now, Bree hasn't took his chance at all yet and looks a bag of nerves. And the less said about the others that weren't even on the pitch the better. Hause looked appalling when he came on but i wont be judging him on that brief showing obviously.
The midfield is basically McGinn and whatever wasters line up alongside him. Bjarnason is crap, no more no less. He has nothing to offer to my eyes at all. He must be the softest viking ever. Hourihane gets way too much of an easy ride because he scores a goal every now and again, but in reality he's invisible and offers nothing of note. McGinn is blowing out his arse but still tries.
The wingers throw in a couple of tricks here and there and fuck all else and Abraham is suddenly getting next to no service and is stood isolated from the rest of the side.
In short, that was an appalling mess from start to finish and we couldn't have complained if we'd lost 5-0
Kalinic 5
Bree 3
Chester 3
Elphick 3
Taylor 2
Bjarnason 2
Hourihane 2
McGinn 5
Bolasie 2
El Ghazi 3
Abraham 3
Whelan 1
Hause 1
Adomah 3
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Our defence at the moment is awful and a lot of basic mistakes are being made that a Sunday league team would get a bollocking for. However it is not helped by our midfield. Watching us lately without Grealish I wonder apart from Mcginn what our midfield actually does. Can you really call them a midfield ?
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We play with 3 in midfield with the ball and 1 without. The former is a problem as there's no movement or game management. But the latter is more catastrophic as you can play through is with ease.
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They talk about teams having a midfield engine. Ours couldn't power a moped.
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Kalinic 5
Bree 3
Chester 3
Elphick 3
Taylor 2
Bjarnason 2
Hourihane 2
McGinn 5
Bolasie 2
El Ghazi 3
Abraham 3
Whelan 1
Hause 1
Adomah 3
Fully concur with these scores from above as we were completely outplayed from start to finish. A truly woeful afternoon only made better by avoiding twattery in the town centre and by the sounds of it at the match as well. Good day out ruined by the 90 minutes.
Definitely in my top 5-10 of worst away performances since the early 90s.
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If Dean Smith had ‘lost them’ I don’t think Tammy Abraham would have been keen to stay.
I think it’s more a case of needing to work through other teams finding us out. Hopefully, we’ll gradually re-group and find the way of playing our game that bit better again so they can get through even when the other team know what we’re doing.
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On the bright side, we won't be getting any more posts from that Derby fan who put a tenner on us winning the League.
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I'd that there was some pretty unsavoury behaviour amongst our fans today, too.
- A punch-up just in front of me - one of the perpetrators I've seen doing it before.
- A guy at the end desperate to start something and claiming "you obviously don't go to all the games" to someone with a season ticket and a regular away-fan.
Everything is unravelling in front of our eyes ...
I go to more aways than homes and there are some depressing fucking Herberts who follow us.
Absolutely this. It also seems the bigger the allocation, the worse our support becomes. I’ve taken my 10 year old to the last 2 away games and you’re more aware of the twattish behaviour when you have kids with you.
At Preston we had to dodge the flying beer on the concourse to make it to the toilets where several people were pissing in the sinks (whilst singing “we’ll piss where we want”). Yesterday there were people openly taking cocaine whilst standing by the urinals.
The day was topped off by the bellend behind us trying to smash up two seats when we went 3 down. On a positive note I managed not to see any of our fans fighting each other which makes a change, although I’m not surprised that it did happen.
It's the fixture.
Every single year, we have people relaying tales of absolute cuntery from our fans at Wigan. It's the big allocation plus the lack of glamour which means it's always a Saturday 3 o'clock kick off which means plenty of booze time.
Blackburn is the same.
Plus the home fans are also less likely to respond to the aggravation - unlike perhaps bigger cities like Leeds or Sheffield
Well, theoretically the nutters are all away members or season ticket holders as the allocation didn't go beyond that.
At QPR, my daughter had to help a girl of about 12, who was terrified by the presence and appalling behaviour of several drunken blokes in the ladies' toilets. 'They're unisex luv!' was their so-called humorous riposte.
I don't get why this kind of behaviour is tolerated, yet almost to be expected in the away end. There'd be a different outcome if they were caught in public.
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I'd that there was some pretty unsavoury behaviour amongst our fans today, too.
- A punch-up just in front of me - one of the perpetrators I've seen doing it before.
- A guy at the end desperate to start something and claiming "you obviously don't go to all the games" to someone with a season ticket and a regular away-fan.
Everything is unravelling in front of our eyes ...
I go to more aways than homes and there are some depressing fucking Herberts who follow us.
Absolutely this. It also seems the bigger the allocation, the worse our support becomes. I’ve taken my 10 year old to the last 2 away games and you’re more aware of the twattish behaviour when you have kids with you.
At Preston we had to dodge the flying beer on the concourse to make it to the toilets where several people were pissing in the sinks (whilst singing “we’ll piss where we want”). Yesterday there were people openly taking cocaine whilst standing by the urinals.
The day was topped off by the bellend behind us trying to smash up two seats when we went 3 down. On a positive note I managed not to see any of our fans fighting each other which makes a change, although I’m not surprised that it did happen.
It's the fixture.
Every single year, we have people relaying tales of absolute cuntery from our fans at Wigan. It's the big allocation plus the lack of glamour which means it's always a Saturday 3 o'clock kick off which means plenty of booze time.
Blackburn is the same.
Plus the home fans are also less likely to respond to the aggravation - unlike perhaps bigger cities like Leeds or Sheffield
Well, theoretically the nutters are all away members or season ticket holders as the allocation didn't go beyond that.
At QPR, my daughter had to help a girl of about 12, who was terrified by the presence and appalling behaviour of several drunken blokes in the ladies' toilets. 'They're unisex luv!' was their so-called humorous riposte.
I don't get why this kind of behaviour is tolerated, yet almost to be expected in the away end. There'd be a different outcome if they were caught in public.
Well that’s terrible, glad it wasn’t my daughter & I would like to think that proper Villa fans would have something to say to those idiots.
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If you look at it purely from comparing the players in the team now compared to the last couple of seasons, I think we look weaker, more unbalanced and we certainly lack leadership and conviction in comparison.
Issues as i see it;
Terry > Tuanzebe. Terry a bit better in terms of performance but more significantly a real leader and driving force from defence. Add to this the fact that Chester has to swap positions to accomodate Tuenzebe and this is a significantly weaker area. Hause has come in and has hardly played for a year or so, he'll need time. Can he offer the leadership skills needed at the back?
Snograss > Bolasie. Again, Snodgrass consistantly better on the pitch, also appeared to be a leader further up the pitch, always shouting, rallying and encouraging. Bolasie just waves his arms about when things dont quite come off, which is quite frequent.
Admomah (in form) > Adomah (out of form) / El Ghazi. Adaomah had a great run last season, scoring loads from wide and playing his part in purposful attacks consistantly. Not been anything like this season, and aside from a few good matches and moments in matches El Ghazi has not been up to it.
Johnstone > Whoever has been in goal this season. Johnstone simply much better than anyone who has been in goal this season and that instills confidence in the whole defence.
Grealish injured at the moment - this is clearly having a big impact on our ability to create chances and at generally keeping hold of the ball in advanced positions. Took him a little while to get going this season but was in great form before the injury and has been missed badly since.
Jedinak - Did anyone else notice that when he was in the team in the previous two seasons (in midfield that is), we always had a way better win rate. Another leader, a good pro and a player that wouldn't let the opposition dominate the midfield. Is he unfit? Is he finished? I don't know but he's certainly missed this season. Imagine having him (in form), McGinn and Grealish as the midfield.
Kodjia - Our best player in his first season, injured last but back, looking fit and being played out of position. OK, Abraham has been great and his goalscoring record is superb so it counters the argument but Kodjia is redundant for me at the moment. Unless he's playing where Abraham is you might as well not bother.
Positives this season are Abrahams goals and McGinn is an improvement on playing BB or Whelen there but thats about it. We still havent sorted out the problem left back position that we've had for months, years even and not playing Hutton in a team lacks leadership and appears to lack people who give a fuck is a bad decision. Not saying he's going to give you John Terry's influence but he's surely got more of a mouth than Bree, who doesn't appear to speak.
In summary, i think we need to get Grealish back, get Chester back on the right, hope the new GK turns out to be a good one, get a good left back, a good winger, play Hutton instead of Bree and get a couple of leaders in at centre back (left) and centre midfield (alongside McGinn). And if Abraham does end up leaving, give Kodjia his place back. This should enable any money to be spent elsewhere, preferably on proper signings rather than loans.
Grabban, playoffs aside, was superb for us aswell. could play on left or up top. Great movement, touch and goals. Tore Tuanzebe a new one in the 5-5.
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Time for a change around. Too many not putting it in. Atleast you’ll get 8 putting in the effort from this team.
———————Kalinic
———Hutton - Chester - Hause
Adomah——-Hourihane-—Bjarnasson
————McGinn———COH
—— —-Davies———Tammy
not usually a fan of three at the back but its obvious something has to urgently change. Ive no idea if Doyle-Hayes is up to it or not, but would prefer him getting a chance than a charlatan like Lansbury. We simply have to start playing some more direct football until our midfield options are drastically different. Davis should make it stick up top and lets start playing from there.
----------Kalinic
--Chester, Elphick, Hause
Bree, JDH, Hourihane, Hutton
----------McGinn
------Davis, Abraham
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That middle four though 😱
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That middle four though 😱
Like something you’d start at home to Newport County in the first round of the Carabao Cup.
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That middle four though 😱
Like something you’d start at home to Newport County in the first round of the Carabao Cup.
...and probably still lose!
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Time for a change around. Too many not putting it in. Atleast you’ll get 8 putting in the effort from this team.
———————Kalinic
———Hutton - Chester - Hause
Adomah——-Hourihane-—Bjarnasson
————McGinn———COH
—— —-Davies———Tammy
And do you reckon we would get the ball up to Abraham or Kieron
not usually a fan of three at the back but its obvious something has to urgently change. Ive no idea if Doyle-Hayes is up to it or not, but would prefer him getting a chance than a charlatan like Lansbury. We simply have to start playing some more direct football until our midfield options are drastically different. Davis should make it stick up top and lets start playing from there.
----------Kalinic
--Chester, Elphick, Hause
Bree, JDH, Hourihane, Hutton
----------McGinn
------Davis, Abraham
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Myself and Fingers of this parish were noting at Preston how at least when you saw the young lads with their phones in the air, filming themselves throwing expensive, shit, beer over each other, the phones were like a lighthouse guiding non-arseholes away from the rocks, as it were.
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That was, without a doubt the worst performance I can recall since last Saturday. Or Coventry away 1992 if i'm being more honest.
I'm not having this Grealish out means everyone else turns to shit excuse. How can missing one, very good player effect the rest of them that much?.
He draws defenders to him; two, three, four at a time. It gives the rest space to play in. He also wins dangerous set pieces, which we have been good at converting.
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Don't know to say about it apart from we were rubbish and that's putting it mildly.
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That was, without a doubt the worst performance I can recall since last Saturday. Or Coventry away 1992 if i'm being more honest.
I'm not having this Grealish out means everyone else turns to shit excuse. How can missing one, very good player effect the rest of them that much?.
He draws defenders to him; two, three, four at a time. It gives the rest space to play in. He also wins dangerous set pieces, which we have been good at converting.
Exactly
He's very important in helping us keep the ball up front and look for options.
Without that the ball just comes straight back to us.
We have nobody else who can do that for us. The closest is probably Kodjia with his annoying "surrounded by three opposition players but determined to try to dribble out of trouble rather than look for a team mate" routine.
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a truly awful insipid toothless display no passion no pride no purpose!!!----Tammy on his own ----McGinn on his own----back 4 again a shambles,no cohesion no talking between the new keeper and defence, highlighted by a booted clearance for a corner virtually out of his hands--!! a back pass for a corner --10 foot from Kalinic, not a single shot on target---midfield yet again conceded, far far too many uninterested individuals, ball juggling by Whelan to give a soft soft penalty away, Wigan fans taking the p*** Villa fans joining in with them --quite rightly too,!!
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Well that’s terrible, glad it wasn’t my daughter & I would like to think that proper Villa fans would have something to say to those idiots.
It is terrible.
The problem is that there are too many idiots, and they aren't the sort of people that most people would want to challenge for fear of the no-doubt aggressive response they'd get.
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Well that’s terrible, glad it wasn’t my daughter & I would like to think that proper Villa fans would have something to say to those idiots.
It is terrible.
The problem is that there are too many idiots, and they aren't the sort of people that most people would want to challenge for fear of the no-doubt aggressive response they'd get.
One of the problems is that there are a few too many who just go along to get as drunk as humanly possible and have no interest in what happens on the pitch. I know one chap who left after Wigan's first goal.
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Well that’s terrible, glad it wasn’t my daughter & I would like to think that proper Villa fans would have something to say to those idiots.
It is terrible.
The problem is that there are too many idiots, and they aren't the sort of people that most people would want to challenge for fear of the no-doubt aggressive response they'd get.
One of the problems is that there are a few too many who just go along to get as drunk as humanly possible and have no interest in what happens on the pitch. I know one chap who left after Wigan's first goal.
I think the old Columbia marching powder is making more of an appearance these days too and taken in full view of people, no one gives a shit.
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Well that’s terrible, glad it wasn’t my daughter & I would like to think that proper Villa fans would have something to say to those idiots.
It is terrible.
The problem is that there are too many idiots, and they aren't the sort of people that most people would want to challenge for fear of the no-doubt aggressive response they'd get.
One of the problems is that there are a few too many who just go along to get as drunk as humanly possible and have no interest in what happens on the pitch. I know one chap who left after Wigan's first goal.
I think the old Columbia marching powder is making more of an appearance these days too and taken in full view of people, no one gives a shit.
You're not wrong.
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Well that’s terrible, glad it wasn’t my daughter & I would like to think that proper Villa fans would have something to say to those idiots.
It is terrible.
The problem is that there are too many idiots, and they aren't the sort of people that most people would want to challenge for fear of the no-doubt aggressive response they'd get.
One of the problems is that there are a few too many who just go along to get as drunk as humanly possible and have no interest in what happens on the pitch. I know one chap who left after Wigan's first goal.
I think the old Columbia marching powder is making more of an appearance these days too and taken in full view of people, no one gives a shit.
You're not wrong.
To be fair, that happens at every large event these days, endless queues of people all wanting an Eartha Kitt at the same time.
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To be fair to the drunken fan who was vomiting whilst watching the game I was stone cold sober at home and nearly vomited just watching the highlights on Quest. ;)
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Surprised in the era of camera phones and fuck knows how many cameras in the stadium that this kind of shit goes on unchecked.
Not sure if it's as a result of the buoyant economy but cocaine use is rife again across Ireland too.
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I keep on watching the first Wigan goal and it is beyond belief for a professional football team!
I really, really cannot believe just how easy Villa make it for Wigan to have a shot on goal, the defensive coach (i.e. Terry?) should be sacked.
Anyway my thoughts:
Taylor loses his man for the cross which allows a free header that Kalinac saves brilliantly.
The ball goes out to the wing and Taylor chases it and gets skinned like a kipper (meh)!
At this point Taylor has given up so the Wigan player has all the time to look up and see what to do.
No problem, as we have 7 (including goalkeeper) (yes 7, excluding Taylor by now) players back defending and Wigan have only 3 attackers to receive the ball!!!!!
Well the bloody problem is that NOT one defender (exclude goalkeeper) is marking any Wigan attacker, wtf!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Wigan player had 3 players to pass too, not 1 but 3!!!!!
As a defender this was the very first thing you learnt, a absolute basic requirement that you mark your attacker!
This is worse than Sunday league stuff.
I have watched this first goal so many times now and it just gets worse but if I can see this why can't anybody at Villa Park coaching team see it?
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Defensively we looked shambolic and going forward we looked insipid. I believe Dean Smith has his work cut out!
Excuse the pun but the defence has been our achilles heal for some seasons now, surely it should have been sorted ages ago?