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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Ger Regan on January 07, 2019, 06:22:35 PM
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Welcome (https://www.avfc.co.uk/News/2019/01/07/transfer-news-korney-hause-joins-on-loan)
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Welcome Kourtney, no small ask but make our defence good.
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We needed a left sided CB and we now have one. The option to buy is critical. It likely means there’s been a break in the Tammy Abraham and nonsense and we can move on. Not showing up for training today seals his departure. Bye Tammy welcome Mr Hause.
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On loan with option to buy
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Surprised it’s ended up as another loan. Oh well...if he’s shite then at least we won’t be stuck with another dud on the books.
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I don't really know him
But he has to be better than some of the players we've played at cb this season
I'm sure I tried to buy him in football manager and was quoted about 15m
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Surprised it’s ended up as another loan. Oh well...if he’s shite then at least we won’t be stuck with another dud on the books.
With an option to buy. Best of both worlds?
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Welcome, and the very best of luck
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Welcome. He fits the bill in one position so that's going to help. I know it's not easy in January but I do hope we make some permanent signings.
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With an option to buy, I think that's sensible.
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Welcome, and please, please be the mutts nuts.
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Someone posted on here a few days ago that he is currently injured. Is that the case?
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Is it pronounced Haws or House?
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This also allows Chester to play the right side. Hopefully will see a big improvement from him too.
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Is it pronounced Haws or House?
Howza?
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Is it pronounced Haws or House?
Kort-ney.
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Whores?
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Is it pronounced Haws or House?
Howza?
Not out.
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Wherever there is danger he'll be there....Kourtney House...
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Wherever there is danger he'll be there....Kourtney House...
Marvellous.
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Is it pronounced Haws or House?
Howza?
Not out.
Great!
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Is it pronounced Haws or House?
Kort-ney.
Superb.
Is he a Kardashian?
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Our Hause... kick the ball into row zee, Our Hause...
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Who?
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Hope plays better than he spits his potty mouthed rhymes.
Sick init
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Hoares.
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Hope plays better than he spits his potty mouthed rhymes.
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Oh God, he’s not a wannabe grime artist is he..?
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Welcome to a proper club, with proper fans, who stick with it, through thick and thin. Please be good. I'm glad it's a try before you buy deal, sensible. Central Midfielder next please.
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Hope plays better than he spits his potty mouthed rhymes.
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Oh God, he’s not a wannabe grime artist is he..?
Apparently he see bitches are clucking for cheques. Well it sounds like that
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Welcome brother.
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Kortney Lovre in da Hause
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Welcome Brother ( jumping on the Grealish and Hulk Hogan bandwagon ) Be like Mellberg, Laursen, McGrath and co and we'll love you, easy...brother.
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Whores?
On a Monday? Go on then, I’ll have a small one
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Kortney Lovre in da Hause
As East 17 once said, "Everybody in the Hause of Lovre".
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Looks like a Hause, a very big Hause, we have Kortney. ( to the tune of Blurs Country House ).
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I've just heard that Wolves have recalled him from his loan so that he can play on loan for Wolves. Shit luck, but there you go.
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Doghead at work reckons he's pretty useful...
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Doghead at work reckons he's pretty useful...
Encouraging, although Dogheads thought Steve Bull was pretty useful.
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I believe we initially were prepared to buy but both clubs valuationsctoo far apart plus he’s been carrying a foot injury so loan to buy best option
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Our Hause, in the middle of defence.
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He's no longer in the dog Hause..
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If he’s bad, is a Shit Hause?
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Doghead at work reckons he's pretty useful...
Yeah but what do prisoners know?
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Welcome to the Hause of Fun.
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Looking at Fuchs as well from Leicester so could line up 'Hutton, Fuchs, Hause, ...'
Ooh er missus
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Doghead at work reckons he's pretty useful...
Encouraging, although Dogheads thought Steve Bull was pretty useful.
He sure was.
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Wolves fans want Hause to do well but Villa to fail. Bunch of illiterate morons! Revelling in their elevated status above us....
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Best way to get the better of a bitter rival is to nick a great player from them.
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Yeah, which player have we signed from a rival then?
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Doghead at work reckons he's pretty useful...
Encouraging, although Dogheads thought Steve Bull was pretty useful.
He sure was.
In division three.
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Well Hause surely has to be a improvement on either Hutton or Taylor
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Well Hause surely has to be a improvement on either Hutton or Taylor
Think he's come in more to play centre back to be honest.
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He’s Tuanzebe’s replacement. Can move Chester back to the right side now.
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Bet Mr Elphick is a bit pissed off.
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Bet Mr Elphick is a bit pissed off.
I guess he can still go back to Hull in the window?
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Can't wait to see him play then we will all be in Kortney Love don't worry I will get my coat.
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Let’s hope he doesn’t turn out to be a bit Kasper Hauser.
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Bet Mr Elphick is a bit pissed off.
I guess he can still go back to Hull in the window?
As it stands he’s still our only fit centre half isn’t he?
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Bet Mr Elphick is a bit pissed off.
Yes now move is official Tommy say it's a real hause for concern
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He’s Tuanzebe’s replacement. Can move Chester back to the right side now.
Let's take a moment to hause about this .
And remember Tuanzebe gone but not forgotten
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Welcome to the greatest club you will ever represent.
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How do you pronounce his name? / haʊz / / hɔːz / / həʊz / ...?
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Court-knee.
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Welcome Kortney.
I can't remember us shopping at Molineux in my lifetime, so I looked it up.
I reckon the last chap to move direct from Wolves to Villa is:
(https://i.ibb.co/kB2YsqH/AV-League-No-500.png) (https://ibb.co/kB2YsqH)
I'd be surprised if anyone can put a name to the face!
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Welcome Kortney.
I can't remember us shopping at Molineux in my lifetime, so I looked it up.
I reckon the last chap to move direct from Wolves to Villa is:
(https://i.ibb.co/kB2YsqH/AV-League-No-500.png) (https://ibb.co/kB2YsqH)
I'd be surprised if anyone can put a name to the face!
I can’t think of any either apart from Peter Broadbent about 100 years back.
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Welcome Kortney.
I can't remember us shopping at Molineux in my lifetime, so I looked it up.
I reckon the last chap to move direct from Wolves to Villa is:
(https://i.ibb.co/kB2YsqH/AV-League-No-500.png) (https://ibb.co/kB2YsqH)
I'd be surprised if anyone can put a name to the face!
Peter Broadbent?
Bobby Park or Barry Stobart?
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No and no.
Hint - He was a goalie.
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After a VAR review we signed Broadbent from Shrewsbury. Geoff Sidebottom?
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Close but no Dave.
A few years later.
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Close? Frank Sidebottom then.
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I remember us signing Evan Williams from Wolves but not sure if it was a loan ,i think it may have been as he only played 12 games
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Geoff Crudgington? Although I thought we were his first team.
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Geoff Crudgington played as a youth for Wolves, is it him?
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Pooligan is spot on.
Evan Williams was the last to move to the us from Wolves (Yes, it was just a loan, but I reckon it still counts!). August 1969.
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If I remember we signed a keeper from Wolves in the Nigel Sims era.
I think Nigel was injured so we got this chap in.
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If I remember we signed a keeper from Wolves in the Nigel Sims era.
I think Nigel was injured so we got this chap in.
John Russell (who else) wrote about him recently.
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Crudgington, I think, signed a few days/weeks before Williams.
Although both made their debuts on the same day (Williams for the 1st team, Crudgington for the Midland Intermediate League for the youth team).
John Dunn got injured early in the season and Williams was signed on loan to cover.
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Never heard of this guy before. Anyone know if he’s any good?
I read that he’s been capped at England U21 level.
Sounds impressive, but what does that really bring, other than he maybe has potential? You want to back the younger players as you’d think they would be more receptive/ adaptive to the system (hopefully the new system we are trying to figure out).
We shall see
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If I remember we signed a keeper from Wolves in the Nigel Sims era.
I think Nigel was injured so we got this chap in.
That was Geoff Sidebottom we signed him in 1961, and he played later that year in the League Cup final against Rotherham.
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from the little bit I've seen of him on youtube he looks strong and wins plenty in the air. Seems to be comfortable with the ball too.
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from the little bit I've seen of him on youtube he looks strong and wins plenty in the air. Seems to be comfortable with the ball too.
Blimey, it'll never catch on!
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How do you pronounce his name? / haʊz / / hɔːz / / həʊz / ...?
Deano pronounced it as Howser today.
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How do you pronounce his name? / haʊz / / hɔːz / / həʊz / ...?
Deano pronounced it as Howser today.
Howszat!!!
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Is it pronounced Haws or House?
Howza?
Not out.
Ahem
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How do you pronounce his name? / haʊz / / hɔːz / / həʊz / ...?
Deano pronounced it as Howser today.
/ haʊzə / then. :-)
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Yeah, which player have we signed from a rival then?
Ugo ? 🤔
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The only player I can ever remember us signing from a rival was Adama Traore.
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The only player I can ever remember us signing from a rival was Adama Traore.
You forgot when we signed Laursen
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Welcome Kortney. Your task is simple. Just make us less shit at the back please.
Good luck on having a successful career at Villa Park and just remember your following in Gods footsteps on the hallowed turf at Villa Park.
UTV.
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Has anyone worked out whether he is injured or not? If he is, any word on when he will be available.
I appreciate that he might not be 'match fit' but if he is decent (and I have confidence in Smith) then I would prefer a quick and mobile Hause with Chester in his right position over Elphick, or Hutton or Bree or Jedi ...
I would also like to see Bree given a run of games at RB. UTV.
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How do you pronounce his name? / haʊz / / hɔːz / / həʊz / ...?
Deano pronounced it as Howser today.
So he's 'Doogie' from now on :)
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How do you pronounce his name? / haʊz / / hɔːz / / həʊz / ...?
Deano pronounced it as Howser today.
So he's 'Doogie' from now on :)
Only to you.
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Has anyone worked out whether he is injured or not? If he is, any word on when he will be available.
I appreciate that he might not be 'match fit' but if he is decent (and I have confidence in Smith) then I would prefer a quick and mobile Hause with Chester in his right position over Elphick, or Hutton or Bree or Jedi ...
I would also like to see Bree given a run of games at RB. UTV.
Bree was piss poor against Swansea but I'm all for second chances. He'll need to improve every aspect of his game if he wants to make that RB position his.
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Has anyone worked out whether he is injured or not? If he is, any word on when he will be available.
I appreciate that he might not be 'match fit' but if he is decent (and I have confidence in Smith) then I would prefer a quick and mobile Hause with Chester in his right position over Elphick, or Hutton or Bree or Jedi ...
I would also like to see Bree given a run of games at RB. UTV.
Bree was piss poor against Swansea but I'm all for second chances. He'll need to improve every aspect of his game if he wants to make that RB position his.
Bree hasn't filled me with confidence over the last few matches at RB. But neither has Hutton EVER, so i'd much rather stick with Bree as he is the future and Hutton is very much the past
We absolutely need to see if Bree can be the RB we all hope between now and the summer, if not then he can be moved on then.
But we absolutely know Hutton isn't the answer and will be gone in the summer so there's no logical reason to ever see him start again unless we're absolutely desperate IMHO
A back four that's balanced with a new left back, Hause and Chester and Bree could be the answer long term, we'll only know if we play it week in week out
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Has anyone worked out whether he is injured or not? If he is, any word on when he will be available.
I appreciate that he might not be 'match fit' but if he is decent (and I have confidence in Smith) then I would prefer a quick and mobile Hause with Chester in his right position over Elphick, or Hutton or Bree or Jedi ...
I would also like to see Bree given a run of games at RB. UTV.
Bree was piss poor against Swansea but I'm all for second chances. He'll need to improve every aspect of his game if he wants to make that RB position his.
maybe but no one is making it their own
the benefits to giving him a run in the team are
he's young so will hopefully improve with more games
he seems to have a good attitude
most importantly he's ours and wont be leaving at the end of the season, all the match time and any improvements are all our gains
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Bree has done nothing to convince me that he's good enough for the starting 11 and I struggle to see what the fuss is about regarding starting him.
Up until very recently, I was happy with Elmo as RB and Hutton cover for L & RB. Unfortunately, Elmo has been dreadful over the past couple of months, as has Hutton.
For me, I think we'll probably have to limp through with what we have at RB until the summer but at that point, we will need to upgrade. Obviously if the right opportunity comes along in this window then so much the better.
I liken the RB position to that of the defensive midfielder - Loads of options but none of them are good enough. We could quite easily lose 4 of Hutton, Bree, Elmo, Jedi, Whelan & Barny and replace them with a RB & DM who will start for us. 3 of those players are out of contract in the summer in any case.
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Has anyone worked out whether he is injured or not? If he is, any word on when he will be available.
I appreciate that he might not be 'match fit' but if he is decent (and I have confidence in Smith) then I would prefer a quick and mobile Hause with Chester in his right position over Elphick, or Hutton or Bree or Jedi ...
I would also like to see Bree given a run of games at RB. UTV.
Bree was piss poor against Swansea but I'm all for second chances. He'll need to improve every aspect of his game if he wants to make that RB position his.
Bree hasn't filled me with confidence over the last few matches at RB. But neither has Hutton EVER, so i'd much rather stick with Bree as he is the future and Hutton is very much the past
We absolutely need to see if Bree can be the RB we all hope between now and the summer, if not then he can be moved on then.
But we absolutely know Hutton isn't the answer and will be gone in the summer so there's no logical reason to ever see him start again unless we're absolutely desperate IMHO
A back four that's balanced with a new left back, Hause and Chester and Bree could be the answer long term, we'll only know if we play it week in week out
I'd agree with this, Whelan, Hutton and Jedinak in particular are players I'd like to see reduced to backup for the next few months. I don't think any of them offer enough to make a difference this season and they'll all be gone by the summer.
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With Bree, I just don't think we can know whether he will be good enough unless he gets a run of games at RB.
He's been at Villa for years and I don't think he has played three consecutive games. We have to see what he can do either in our first XI or on loan. And presently with the form of Elmo and Hutton and De Laet in Oz, I would suggest we do that by playing him.
But back to my main point (!) is Hause fit, and if not when is he available? UTV
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With Bree, I just don't think we can know whether he will be good enough unless he gets a run of games at RB.
He's been at Villa for years and I don't think he has played three consecutive games. We have to see what he can do either in our first XI or on loan. And presently with the form of Elmo and Hutton and De Laet in Oz, I would suggest we do that by playing him.
But back to my main point (!) is Hause fit, and if not when is he available? UTV
I thought he was fine against QPR, barring a couple of wild cross field passes towards the end. Doesn't really look the most comfortable going forward, but agree that he needs to be given a chance. De Laet is somewhere out there in the ether and neither Hutton or Elmohamady are the answer going forward.
Mitch Clark has been getting some good reviews on loan at Port Vale, so maybe he would be worth a look if Bree struggles.
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I thought Mitch Clark was a left sided player
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How do you pronounce his name? / haʊz / / hɔːz / / həʊz / ...?
Deano pronounced it as Howser today.
Howszat!!!
Let's hope he doesn't live up to the words of the song...
How, how, howzat?
You messed about (at the back)
They caught you out
Howzat?
Now that I found where you're at, it's goodbye (Go back to Wolves)
Well, howzat?
It's goodbye
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How do you pronounce his name? / haʊz / / hɔːz / / həʊz / ...?
Deano pronounced it as Howser today.
Howszat!!!
Let's hope he doesn't live up to the words of the song...
How, how, howzat?
You messed about (at the back)
They caught you out
Howzat?
Now that I found where you're at, it's goodbye (Go back to Wolves)
Well, howzat?
It's goodbye
Sherbert at their finest!
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I thought Mitch Clark was a left sided player
From everything I've seen he's pretty 2 footed and looks comfortable all across the defence and has played a few games in midfield as well. I think he's going to end up being one of those players that is good to have because they give you options even if he never quite nails down a regular starting place. I'd definitely be looking to get him on a new deal asap though, he's got too much promise to let him walk away for nothing in the summer.
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With Bree, I just don't think we can know whether he will be good enough unless he gets a run of games at RB.
He's been at Villa for years and I don't think he has played three consecutive games. We have to see what he can do either in our first XI or on loan. And presently with the form of Elmo and Hutton and De Laet in Oz, I would suggest we do that by playing him.
The fact that several managers have had him available for selection, and have consistently not picked him over players that are not very good tells it's own story. They can't all be wrong! I would put him in the same category as Jordan Bowery, strange punt of signing that hasn't worked out.
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The trouble is Chris, since posting it's been running around my head ever since and wont go away.
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With Bree, I just don't think we can know whether he will be good enough unless he gets a run of games at RB.
He's been at Villa for years and I don't think he has played three consecutive games. We have to see what he can do either in our first XI or on loan. And presently with the form of Elmo and Hutton and De Laet in Oz, I would suggest we do that by playing him.
The fact that several managers have had him available for selection, and have consistently not picked him over players that are not very good tells it's own story. They can't all be wrong! I would put him in the same category as Jordan Bowery, strange punt of signing that hasn't worked out.
Which 'several managers'? There's only Bruce, who bought him and never used him. Unless you're counting McDonald as a caretaker manager. If it was a long string of managers I'd agree that 'they can't all be wrong' but if 'all' does mean just Bruce and McDonald I'd say they could be and very possibly were.
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Bree turned 21 last month. I think he's looked quite composed for his age. I certainly wouldn't be writing him off just yet.
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With Bree, I just don't think we can know whether he will be good enough unless he gets a run of games at RB.
He's been at Villa for years and I don't think he has played three consecutive games. We have to see what he can do either in our first XI or on loan. And presently with the form of Elmo and Hutton and De Laet in Oz, I would suggest we do that by playing him.
The fact that several managers have had him available for selection, and have consistently not picked him over players that are not very good tells it's own story. They can't all be wrong! I would put him in the same category as Jordan Bowery, strange punt of signing that hasn't worked out.
Which 'several managers'? There's only Bruce, who bought him and never used him. Unless you're counting McDonald as a caretaker manager. If it was a long string of managers I'd agree that 'they can't all be wrong' but if 'all' does mean just Bruce and McDonald I'd say they could be and very possibly were.
And you can't really count Smith into this because he's used Hutton, Elmo and Bree so he's clearly been giving all of them a chance to earn their place, which is the right thing to do if you come in at the time he did, alienating senior players because they've been poor in the run up to him getting the job just isn't good management. I think he now has a good idea of the strengths and weaknesses of most of the senior players and we might well start seeing more appearances by the younger players over the next few months, Bree has clearly benefited from this but I suspect Davis and O'Hare will stay around the squad now and I wouldn't be surprised to see a few others getting onto the bench, etc. The issue he'll have is that he's going to want to bring them in to games where we're in a strong position but with our defence we've not had that so far.
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Given the number of games Bree has had since joining I think writing him off prematurely could be a mistake.
I thought he has done as well as expected given the circumstances, especially if you count Bruce's "training methods"
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Oh well, speechless
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Surely he isn't a footballer?
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he's shit.
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He looked concussed.
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Good decision....loan only. Felt sorry for tommy coming off
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Shit Hause.
Sorry, couldn't resist. Unless Mad Tom was injured that is one of the bizarrest subs ever.
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You’ve set a low bar there Kortney, only way is up.
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Player who hasn't played regularly since May 2017 looking horribly off the pace.
Can't say I'm massively shocked. This is a problem when you sign players who hardly play in months.
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Player who hasn't played regularly since May 2017 looking horribly off the pace.
Can't say I'm massively shocked. This is a problem when you sign players who hardly play in months.
Indeed. Not exactly in the best place to make an immediate positive impact.
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Player who hasn't played regularly since May 2017 looking horribly off the pace.
Can't say I'm massively shocked. This is a problem when you sign players who hardly play in months.
Indeed. Not exactly in the best place to make an immediate positive impact.
But it was a needless substitution in any case. Who on here was watching that shambles and thinking a change of centre half was what was needed to turn it around?
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Is he Curties Davies little brother?
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Player who hasn't played regularly since May 2017 looking horribly off the pace.
Can't say I'm massively shocked. This is a problem when you sign players who hardly play in months.
Indeed. Not exactly in the best place to make an immediate positive impact.
But it was a needless substitution in any case. Who on here was watching that shambles and thinking a change of centre half was what was needed to turn it around?
Guess DS wants him starting a.s.a.p (due to our other inept options) and so decided 20 minutes of competitive action was needed.
Not bringing on two strikers in a game you're losing 1-0 is beyond me though.
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Why bring him on?! Bizarre.
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Yes well hopefully it was just rustiness in the context of a shambolic performance.
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He looks Blues. He'll fit in nicely.
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He’s not played in ages and looked exactly as you would expect tossed into a game where we are already playing shit. Let’s not go overboard on a bad debut. The whole team is fucking mince right now.
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One of the first things Hause did was take a first touch that was basically a ten yard pass, meaning the second touch was a lumbering tackle where he fell over backwards with his legs six feet above him. It put me in mind of a flimsy Meccano-type participant on Robot Wars being flipped in the air by a speedy biscuit tin.
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He looks Blues. He'll fit in nicely.
Blues who are above us you mean?
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One of the first things Hause did was take a first touch that was basically a ten yard pass, meaning the second touch was a lumbering tackle where he fell over backwards with his legs six feet above him. It put me in mind of a flimsy Meccano-type participant on Robot Wars being flipped in the air by a speedy biscuit tin.
It reminded me of that charity football match where (thundercunt) Boris Johnson came on and immediately just bundled into someone.
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One of the first things Hause did was take a first touch that was basically a ten yard pass, meaning the second touch was a lumbering tackle where he fell over backwards with his legs six feet above him. It put me in mind of a flimsy Meccano-type participant on Robot Wars being flipped in the air by a speedy biscuit tin.
It reminded me of that charity football match where (thundercunt) Boris Johnson came on and immediately just bundled into someone.
That was a hilarious tackle. Eighteen stone of loathsome bastard stumbling head first into some poor bloke's side. Mind, today's ref would have given Boris the freekick.
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Still funny
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Thanks for posting PWS. Great stuff. Was more in the bollocks than I remembered.
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I put the local Wigan FM station on when I got back to the car. The two commentators on the game were pissing themselves laughing at Hause. Saying despite everything they've seen at the DW this season, that was the worst performance from a defender they've seen. Bodes well.
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His second touch is a header. He reminds me of a Great Dane playing with a balloon.
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We used to say the same about about Micah Richards except we said spaniel. That worked out well didn't it. Didn't it?l
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It was a dog of a debut, whatever breed you wish to name it.
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The only consolation is it´s only a loan so we´re only on the hook for 6 months wages instead of 3 years plus a transfer fee.
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Thought he was coming on at left back today in lieu of the utterly hapless Taylor, the Elpnick swap seemed a bit odd but either way, horrendous debut.
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And here he is written off already
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With our track record if he comes good the Dogheads will be allowed to snatch him back and if he continues to play like he did today he will get a 5 year contract. See Agbonlahor G, Richards M.
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With our track record if he comes good the Dogheads will be allowed to snatch him back and if he continues to play like he did today he will get a 5 year contract. See Agbonlahor G, Richards M.
We have an option to buy don’t we?
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We should have but if the clerical department at VP are as incompetent as the players the option is probably for Courteney Howes.
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He was shit today. Let's hope he becomes a better footballer by next Saturday.
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Termites, subsidence, wet rot, dry rot, rising damp, lead, asbestos, Japanese knotweed and mundic.
Hause of cards.
No wonder we couldn’t get a mortgage.
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How do you pronounce his name? / haʊz / / hɔːz / / həʊz / ...?
Deano pronounced it as Howser today.
So he's 'Doogie' from now on :)
Doogie Hause MD (Massive Disappointment)
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Monstrous Distribution.
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Miserable Doghead
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Merde Debut
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Mince Defender
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Micah’s doppelgänger.
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I've been in the gym and doing Crossfit over Christmas, so stayed in nick. I played football for the first time in a month on Monday and I was as sharp as a butter knife. Absolutely fuck knows how many times that would be amplified playing professionally.
An utterly moronic sub.
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And here he is written off already
By who? Everyone has pointed out that it wasn't the most stellar of debuts, but no one's written him off.
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Agree.
Just because he resembled the Tin Man from The Wizard of Oz yesterday doesn’t mean that’s who he is.
Worst debut? Possibly, but the only way is up for him now and he’ll be supported when he plays again and we’ll see how he reacts to it all. We’ll find out what he’s all about surely?
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Agree.
Just because he resembled the Tin Man from The Wizard of Oz yesterday doesn’t mean that’s who he is.
Worst debut? Possibly, but the only way is up for him now and he’ll be supported when he plays again and we’ll see how he reacts to it all. We’ll find out what he’s all about surely?
I raise you with Ugo Ehiogu debut
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Agree.
Just because he resembled the Tin Man from The Wizard of Oz yesterday doesn’t mean that’s who he is.
Worst debut? Possibly, but the only way is up for him now and he’ll be supported when he plays again and we’ll see how he reacts to it all. We’ll find out what he’s all about surely?
I raise you with Ugo Ehiogu debut
I remember that Norwich at home performance. All arms and legs in the wrong place at the wrong time!
What a hero he turned out to be.
Was it his first game?
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No.
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I too remember Ugo's Norwich 'performance' and I too thought it was his first game or at least his first start. When I first heard the name Kortney Hause I thought he was a drag artist. It turned out I was getting him mixed up with Courtney Act.
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It was the first time he had started a game, after three sub appearances.
Incidentally, somebody needs to tell Soccerbase that he isn't 46...
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His first start was over a year earlier at home to Arsenal.
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And here he is written off already
By who? Everyone has pointed out that it wasn't the most stellar of debuts, but no one's written him off.
Exactly I'm putting it down to being his first game in ages, it's if carries on for 2 or 3 games is when we can start to worry.
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well It cant get any worse
Im sure he will come good ... weird sub thou.
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It was the first time he had started a game, after three sub appearances.
Incidentally, somebody needs to tell Soccerbase that he isn't 46...
Never knew that, hope Mr Hause becomes as good as Ugo became.
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I see your Ugo at Norwich and raise you Allan Evans at Southampton.
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By the Norwich game Ugo had already started 4 league games and a cup game, plus 7 or 8 sub appearances.
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I see your Ugo at Norwich and raise you Allan Evans at Southampton.
It's fair to say there's been quite a few early mares, that have turned out rather differently over time.
I don't have any cards left, so I fold.
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I blame Dean Smith for Hause's performance. Clearly not match fit, lacking confidence and brought on into an exposed, shit show of a defence.
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The decision to bring him on really was the most bafflingly stupid decision I've seen in ages. I also reckon that if one of our U23 players had come on and played like that, we wouldn't see him in the squad again for ages.
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To be fair, our defence looked appalling and i thought bringing him on made sense as it should have given us some natural balance back there. Didn't work of course but there's no way i'm going to judge him on that cameo given how long he's been out
I'd be tempted to give him some U23 run outs though to get his fitness up to scratch if we can
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The decision to bring him on really was the most bafflingly stupid decision I've seen in ages. I also reckon that if one of our U23 players had come on and played like that, we wouldn't see him in the squad again for ages.
Agreed.
In one substitution he showed no faith in Elphick, put a match-unfit defender into a shit storm and left the worst performer at left back.
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I see James Collins made his debut for Ipswich and they won and kept a clean sheet! We spent months getting him fit only for Ipswich to come in and give him a deal until the end of the season. Apparently he performed well in their defence - surely we should've kept him on ? I bet he'd have been cheaper than Hause! His experience would've been really helpful in our current situation with such a shit defence.
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Agree 100% with you Martin and Olly. Collectively the substitutions at Wigan were the polar opposite to everything we had hoped to see from Dean Smith. They were negative, defensive, short sighted and undoubtedly caused deep resentment both in the players used and the players unused. If Smith is to get the fan support he needs and deserves the Wigan fiasco has to be a one off very bad day.
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They played Rotherham who have the worst away record over three or four season in this league out of anybody.
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Bloody hell, he must have been bad to have people pining for James Collins.
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Hause was bad but to be fair to him,he had Taylor,Whelan and Hourihane playing next to him.Anyone would struggle playing with them let alone a guy who has not played much lately and was making his debut
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Good luck tonight Hause.
Hope he does well and contains Watkins /Canos
Up the villa.
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Looks so uneasy on the ball, first instinct is to smack it down the line (which more often than not, ended up going out of play) he's not a left back.
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He won't be here next season if he keeps this up is my guess. CB or LB, he looks lost at the moment.
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Looked like a centre half out of position to me.
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And not even a good centre half out of position.
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Should get some games at CB.
It would actually make sense if we really want to sign him and Mings full time to use the last 14 games to actually see what Hause looks like at CB and if Mings can actually be a good LB.
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Should get some games at CB.
It would actually make sense if we really want to sign him and Mings full time to use the last 14 games to actually see what Hause looks like at CB and if Mings can actually be a good LB.
Problem is with Chester injured/out of sorts this season and Elphick having the odd blunder in him, Mings is our best CB so I wouldn't want to move him.
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Despite him being poor he was still an improvement on Taylor.There were time where he showed decent attributes for a centre back, but a full back he aint. I would rather see him tried in central defence and see Mings at left back for 2-3 games and see if he looks better.
Midfield is the real problem, the defence get no protection and the ball just keeps coming back at them.
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He's no marauding full back that's for sure.
Seems not the best finesse or balance wise .
Polite way of saying he looks clumsy but he got 90mins on pitch.
Doesn't offer much over half way line. Does have some physicality, left foot and not Taylor
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Problem is he offers nothing going forward.
Defensively he competed, which is more than Taylor. Swap him and Mings like SHQ suggested.
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Should get some games at CB.
It would actually make sense if we really want to sign him and Mings full time to use the last 14 games to actually see what Hause looks like at CB and if Mings can actually be a good LB.
Problem is with Chester injured/out of sorts this season and Elphick having the odd blunder in him, Mings is our best CB so I wouldn't want to move him.
The reality is Mings played vast majority of his career as a left back for Ipswich and Bournemouth.
I just assumed Smith is plugging gags. He hasn't been bad at CB but considering he's played as a left back and previous clubs and it's really a jinx position for us it would be nice for him to get a chance to be our best one in about a decade.
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I think he fits in well, because he's absolute shite.
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Should get some games at CB.
It would actually make sense if we really want to sign him and Mings full time to use the last 14 games to actually see what Hause looks like at CB and if Mings can actually be a good LB.
Problem is with Chester injured/out of sorts this season and Elphick having the odd blunder in him, Mings is our best CB so I wouldn't want to move him.
The reality is Mings played vast majority of his career as a left back for Ipswich and Bournemouth.
I just assumed Smith is plugging gags. He hasn't been bad at CB but considering he's played as a left back and previous clubs and it's really a jinx position for us it would be nice for him to get a chance to be our best one in about a decade.
Yep. He's trying to plug gaps. Number of goals conceded has shaken him.
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Tonight we may as well have played a wardrobe at left back.
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What a load of shit, somehow we've ended up with someone elses unfit center back as our left back.
Who the fuck is scouting these players and where are their ideas coming from?
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Clearly scouted by someone who knows nothing about football, which we haven't collectively for nearly ten years. We never seem to learn.
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Not a left back, lacks any sort of pace and awareness what is going on around him, as the lady who sits behind me said "cart horse"
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Possibly might be ok as a CB when fit but not a left back in a million years.
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if we haven’t got anyone in the u23 better than Hause we might as well close the whole academy thing down
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Very poor, Wolves fan at work loves him, watching him last night, I have no idea why. But it’s one game & a sub at Wigan so......
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Very poor, Wolves fan at work loves him, watching him last night, I have no idea why. But it’s one game & a sub at Wigan so......
My Doghead uncle says he’s not very good.
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Agree john e. What is the point of the time, effort and money of a youth system if we cannot produce a potentially better left back than Kortney Hause.
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I know he’s lacking match time but DS says he performed well behind closed doors friendlies . But please don’t change him to CB, Mings has been superb
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I hope what we saw last night was down to lack of game time and him working his way back to fitness because he was laughably bad in that first half. Not quite as bad in the second half but still pretty poor.
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It's the Villa way Daz. Why have one player playing well in a position that suits him when you can have two out of position playing badly. Tuanzebe had to do his porridge as a Villa full back before he was allowed to become our best centre back.
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I hope what we saw last night was down to lack of game time and him working his way back to fitness because he was laughably bad in that first half. Not quite as bad in the second half but still pretty poor.
He also looked nervous and they seemed to pick up on that and harried him at every opportunity.
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I can understand why he looked nervous - he's shite.
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What a load of shit, somehow we've ended up with someone elses unfit center back as our left back.
Who the fuck is scouting these players and where are their ideas coming from?
That's what fucks me off about it. All these discussions they had a few months prior to January identifying targets and ended up signing 2 pretty much identical left sided centre backs. I actually think Mings looks a good player and based on what I've seen before with Hause I think he could be too, but it I'm not sure what kind of cretinous insight / scouting decided that Hause could be a left back.
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Is he someone’s cousin - yes he was that bad
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I can understand why he looked nervous - he's shite.
I shouldn't laugh but I did at this
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is he one of the ones we have an option to buy at the end of the season
that would be a bonus !!
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It's hard to know who has the final say on transfers, but if it's the Sporting Director dude, he probably needs to be presented with his P45 before the summer transfer window opens. Moreira, Nyland, El Ghazi, Bolasie, Hause, Carroll. Other than McGinn and possibly Mings, not a body of work to be hugely proud of.
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Haven't people notice how unbalanced he is.
Not the most grateful of defenders .
Mings is a big lump too but has some abilities.
The scouting all a bit basic.
Looks like they scouting with requirements in a search engine
And they had a physical attributes remit.
-Tall gk over 6'5
-Simply stero type big strong defenders
-Ball playing small midfielder
I would have preferred Jagielka/ Cahill/ Mepham as defenders and Fer/ McDonald for DM.
And Ashley Cole for left back .
Some as short term options
Just to tide us over .
Experience , quality and know how
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I know he’s lacking match time but DS says he performed well behind closed doors friendlies . But please don’t change him to CB, Mings has been superb
I would look at playing a back three when Chester and Tuanzebe return. I would have Chester on the right, Tuanzebe in the middle and Mings on the left. Either that, or play Tuanzebe in midfield, play Hause on the left of the three and Mings in the middle.
I thought Hause struggled badly at left-back last night.
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I know he’s lacking match time but DS says he performed well behind closed doors friendlies . But please don’t change him to CB, Mings has been superb
I would look at playing a back three when Chester and Tuanzebe return. I would have Chester on the right, Tuanzebe in the middle and Mings on the left. Either that, or play Tuanzebe in midfield, play Hause on the left of the three and Mings in the middle.
I thought Hause struggled badly at left-back last night.
What about Elphick!
Can you just disregard him like that.
One has to applause his professional manner as if he gets dropped from a back 3 then that really is unfair to him and he's shown a great attitude despite him basically been in and out.
Like Hutton in past. He has at least tried despite his limitations.
Hause should be a bench warmer in a 3-4--1-1
If all fit.
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He's very adept at banging his head against a goal post, I grant you, it's when he starts to play that raises serious doubts as to his competency
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Surely time for the Hause to be repossessed
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It's hard to know who has the final say on transfers, but if it's the Sporting Director dude, he probably needs to be presented with his P45 before the summer transfer window opens. Moreira, Nyland, El Ghazi, Bolasie, Hause, Carroll. Other than McGinn and possibly Mings, not a body of work to be hugely proud of.
JFC, he's only been on the pitch 10-15 minutes since he signed ::) How did you form an opinion on him based on that ?
I'm also in the Nyland is as good as Kalinic camp mind. Another one wrote off double quick because he isn't Jimmy Rimmer already.
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It's hard to know who has the final say on transfers, but if it's the Sporting Director dude, he probably needs to be presented with his P45 before the summer transfer window opens. Moreira, Nyland, El Ghazi, Bolasie, Hause, Carroll. Other than McGinn and possibly Mings, not a body of work to be hugely proud of.
Especially when they arrive at B6 injured or unfit - this club never seems to learn .....I thought we would be more professional under the new owners - I'm struggling to notice much difference on the purchasing/loan of players
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Why is it that hard nosed multi billionaires who rule pan global business empires turn into Del Trotter the moment they buy a football club?
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It's hard to know who has the final say on transfers, but if it's the Sporting Director dude, he probably needs to be presented with his P45 before the summer transfer window opens. Moreira, Nyland, El Ghazi, Bolasie, Hause, Carroll. Other than McGinn and possibly Mings, not a body of work to be hugely proud of.
JFC, he's only been on the pitch 10-15 minutes since he signed ::) How did you form an opinion on him based on that ?
I'm also in the Nyland is as good as Kalinic camp mind. Another one wrote off double quick because he isn't Jimmy Rimmer already.
I’m not saying he isn’t a good player, although that seemed to be the opinion of most Swansea fans. My point was about the people identifying targets. We urgently need a bit of bite and zip in the midfield, so they bring in a Swansea player not known for either who has been out of form and injured for long periods.
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Yes a panic decision in my book, he is exactly the style of player we don't want yet another midfielder who can't tackle and is easily knocked off the ball.
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I know he’s lacking match time but DS says he performed well behind closed doors friendlies . But please don’t change him to CB, Mings has been superb
Well that's a good thing but surely we also want to solve our cursed position of left back eventually?
Give Mings some games there. If he'll play well there as I suspect then finally we'd have a decent LB and also know Mings can do a more than decent job at CB when required.
Hause problem is how little football he's played in two years and boy is it showing in his games for us.
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I know he’s lacking match time but DS says he performed well behind closed doors friendlies . But please don’t change him to CB, Mings has been superb
Well that's a good thing but surely we also want to solve our cursed position of left back eventually?
Give Mings some games there. If he'll play well there as I suspect then finally we'd have a decent LB and also know Mings can do a more than decent job at CB when required.
Hause problem is how little football he's played in two years and boy is it showing in his games for us.
His ball control and passing were very poor against Brentford. His positional play wasn't much better. He constantly drifted towards the centre of defence giving them the easy option to play the ball out wide which gave us big problems all night. I'm always one for giving players time and he's no different. Who knows he might just turn out fine but my god he needs to improve his whole game pdq.
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He looks very poor so far. Reminded me of Ugo's debut against Norwich.
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He looks very poor so far. Reminded me of Ugo's debut against Norwich.
Yeah, we need more debuts like Spinksy's in Rotterdam.
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He looks very poor so far. Reminded me of Ugo's debut against Norwich.
And look how he turned out...
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He looks very poor so far. Reminded me of Ugo's debut against Norwich.
And look how he turned out...
I see the ugo thing too , very early though
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He looks very poor so far. Reminded me of Ugo's debut against Norwich.
Why you little.... *shakes walking stick angrily at the sky*
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As I said on the match thread, I preferred him to Taylor, neither of them offer anything positive going forward but at least Hause got his positioning right and didn't let his winger dominate the game. Longer term I want a proper left back who can defend but also get forward and provide width but for now I'll take one that can do half of the job effectively.
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I'd personally play Taylor out of the two and leave Hause on the bench in case we need him.
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It's hard to know who has the final say on transfers, but if it's the Sporting Director dude, he probably needs to be presented with his P45 before the summer transfer window opens. Moreira, Nyland, El Ghazi, Bolasie, Hause, Carroll. Other than McGinn and possibly Mings, not a body of work to be hugely proud of.
The Sporting Director dude Pitarch joined in mid-October at the same time as Smith, didn't he?
Moreira, Nyland, El Ghazi, Bolasie and McGinn joined before the start of the season. I'm not sure why you'd judge him on signings he didn't make.
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It's hard to know who has the final say on transfers, but if it's the Sporting Director dude, he probably needs to be presented with his P45 before the summer transfer window opens. Moreira, Nyland, El Ghazi, Bolasie, Hause, Carroll. Other than McGinn and possibly Mings, not a body of work to be hugely proud of.
The Sporting Director dude Pitarch joined in mid-October at the same time as Smith, didn't he?
Moreira, Nyland, El Ghazi, Bolasie and McGinn joined before the start of the season. I'm not sure why you'd judge him on signings he didn't make.
Fair point, but wasn't the rumour that he was working with Mendes behind the scenes before his official appointment?
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It's hard to know who has the final say on transfers, but if it's the Sporting Director dude, he probably needs to be presented with his P45 before the summer transfer window opens. Moreira, Nyland, El Ghazi, Bolasie, Hause, Carroll. Other than McGinn and possibly Mings, not a body of work to be hugely proud of.
The Sporting Director dude Pitarch joined in mid-October at the same time as Smith, didn't he?
Moreira, Nyland, El Ghazi, Bolasie and McGinn joined before the start of the season. I'm not sure why you'd judge him on signings he didn't make.
Fair point, but wasn't the rumour that he was working with Mendes behind the scenes before his official appointment?
Haven't seen that. But not certain anyway so I'd prefer to judge him from January onwards. Too early to tell. I have a feeling Kalinic will come good. Mings is a good player. Carroll, Guilbert and Hause, we'll see.
He'll earn his corn in the summer when having to replace most of the squad. Hoping for some decent spots for a fair price from abroad in the summer rather than the Hogan, McCormack-esque signings from the Championship of recent years.
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*edited for making almost exactly the same point as two posts above.
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No idea whether Hause will turn out to be any good or not but his first half at Brentford was as comically inept a defensive display as I’ve seen for quite a while.
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It's hard to know who has the final say on transfers, but if it's the Sporting Director dude, he probably needs to be presented with his P45 before the summer transfer window opens. Moreira, Nyland, El Ghazi, Bolasie, Hause, Carroll. Other than McGinn and possibly Mings, not a body of work to be hugely proud of.
The Sporting Director dude Pitarch joined in mid-October at the same time as Smith, didn't he?
Moreira, Nyland, El Ghazi, Bolasie and McGinn joined before the start of the season. I'm not sure why you'd judge him on signings he didn't make.
Fair point, but wasn't the rumour that he was working with Mendes behind the scenes before his official appointment?
Haven't seen that. But not certain anyway so I'd prefer to judge him from January onwards. Too early to tell. I have a feeling Kalinic will come good. Mings is a good player. Carroll, Guilbert and Hause, we'll see.
He'll earn his corn in the summer when having to replace most of the squad. Hoping for some decent spots for a fair price from abroad in the summer rather than the Hogan, McCormack-esque signings from the Championship of recent years.
Thought Kalinic looked better on Wednesday night. Made a couple of smart stops and looked more confident.
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No idea whether Hause will turn out to be any good or not but his first half at Brentford was as comically inept a defensive display as I’ve seen for quite a while.
Dean obviously didn’t think so given his presser comments
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I’m really trying hard to find any positives from today but Hause looked really good and a million times better than Taylor. Oh and the other one was the useless lump of a keeper being subbed, hopefully we won’t see him in a Villa shirt again.
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He is getting better with every game.
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I thought he was good today in the first half. Keep him here and let him bed in some more.
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I thought he did well today. Was pleasantly surprised.
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Improved, worth persevering with at left back.
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Surprised to see after all the negative comments from Wednesday but I thought he had a good game, certainly some potential there!
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He hasn’t played for months and is coming back from a long term injury, but somehow it’s a surprise that he looked a bit rusty.
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Seems like he could be a decent signing.
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Was one of our better players today. I like his physicality as opposed to Taylor who looks like he'd struggle to open a bag of crisps.
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I thought he was pretty poor again with an awful touch.
I'm glad others saw it differently. Hopefully I am missing something.
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I thought he was pretty poor again with an awful touch.
I'm glad others saw it differently. Hopefully I am missing something.
Don’t think he miss controlled a single ball and his headers are like full blooded clearances/shots. He was responsible for creating the Tammy chance first half.
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I thought he was pretty poor again with an awful touch.
I'm glad others saw it differently. Hopefully I am missing something.
Don’t think he miss controlled a single ball and his headers are like full blooded clearances/shots. He was responsible for creating the Tammy chance first half.
Yeah, first time of watching him live, and I was pleasantly surprised. Probably the nearest thing to a bright spot for me today.
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I thought he was pretty poor again with an awful touch.
I'm glad others saw it differently. Hopefully I am missing something.
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Must have been watching the wrong player. He and Mings were our best 2 players. I thought his touch was excellent and had Tammy had his touch we would have been 1-0 up tho the ref would probably have found some reason to disallow it.
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I thought he was pretty poor again with an awful touch.
I'm glad others saw it differently. Hopefully I am missing something.
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Must have been watching the wrong player. He and Mings were our best 2 players. I thought his touch was excellent and had Tammy had his touch we would have been 1-0 up tho the ref would probably have found some reason to disallow it.
No - Definitely the right player. He played at LB. His touch was pretty poor and miscontrolled several balls right in front of me.
Like I said though, I'll be happy if I missed something but the poor touch was not something I missed.
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He played well, I was impressed.
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We need keep playing him at LB with Mings at LCB. Get Chester healthy again at RCB and that lad from Caen hopefully a solid back 4 next season. Add a better, mobile DM and it's a start.
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He was ok today. Nowhere near as bad as he was on Wednesday.
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He was ok today. Nowhere near as bad as he was on Wednesday.
I honestly didn't think he was any worse than anyone else on Wednesday night either. A bit slow and ponderous down the left but was better than Hutton on the other side. At least we have an option to buy and he seems to be improving.
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Certainly better than Cafu today. Had some understanding with Mings and he actually passed the ball down the line.
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We need keep playing him at LB with Mings at LCB. Get Chester healthy again at RCB and that lad from Caen hopefully a solid back 4 next season. Add a better, mobile DM and it's a start.
Unfortunately I can’t see Mings being here next season. We’ve no option to buy.
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We need keep playing him at LB with Mings at LCB. Get Chester healthy again at RCB and that lad from Caen hopefully a solid back 4 next season. Add a better, mobile DM and it's a start.
Unfortunately I can’t see Mings being here next season. We’ve no option to buy.
So we can't bid for him in the summer if we want him?
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We'll probably know his buy out clause, so we can just bid more than that, yeah?
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We'll probably know his buy out clause, so we can just bid more than that, yeah?
Good idea, it may convince him that we want him more than anyone that just meets it.
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We need keep playing him at LB with Mings at LCB. Get Chester healthy again at RCB and that lad from Caen hopefully a solid back 4 next season. Add a better, mobile DM and it's a start.
Unfortunately I can’t see Mings being here next season. We’ve no option to buy.
So we can't bid for him in the summer if we want him?
Of course we can. But I can see him having offers from the PL if he keeps performing well. I hope I’m wrong and that he is here next season.
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Decent performance today. The E&S guy who often reports on us tweeted that he had been very unlucky not to get more playing time under their current manager.
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Solid defensively yes but in the modern game you need full backs who can attack at pace and get effective crosses in - Hause like all our full backs can't do this.
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Solid defensively yes but in the modern game you need full backs who can attack at pace and get effective crosses in - Hause like all our full backs can't do this.
I thought he attacked quite well at times today
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Solid defensively yes but in the modern game you need full backs who can attack at pace and get effective crosses in - Hause like all our full backs can't do this.
AEM actually can but he's been terrible defensively this season.
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Solid defensively yes but in the modern game you need full backs who can attack at pace and get effective crosses in - Hause like all our full backs can't do this.
I thought he attacked quite well at times today
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I honestly can't think of any occasions he did sorry.
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Decent performance today. The E&S guy who often reports on us tweeted that he had been very unlucky not to get more playing time under their current manager.
Really? He's put in a couple of horror shows at this level already for us so don't really think Wolves have missed a trick not playing him instead of Boly, Bennett or Conor Coady.
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Decent performance today. The E&S guy who often reports on us tweeted that he had been very unlucky not to get more playing time under their current manager.
Really? He's put in a couple of horror shows at this level already for us so don't really think Wolves have missed a trick not playing him instead of Boly, Bennett or Conor Coady.
Yeah. You want I should digout da tweet?
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We need keep playing him at LB with Mings at LCB. Get Chester healthy again at RCB and that lad from Caen hopefully a solid back 4 next season. Add a better, mobile DM and it's a start.
Unfortunately I can’t see Mings being here next season. We’ve no option to buy.
Where has that been confirmed?
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Well we mentioned an option to buy when we announced Hause had joined but not when Mings did so it seems a lot less likely there is.
Aston Villa is delighted to announce that Kortney Hause has joined the club on loan until the end of the season with an option of a permanent transfer.
The defender moves to Villa Park from Wolverhampton Wanderers for the remainder of the campaign.
Aston Villa is delighted to confirm the arrival of Tyrone Mings on loan from AFC Bournemouth for the rest of the season.
The 25-year-old has made seven appearances in all competitions for the Cherries so far this term but will link up with Dean Smith’s men for the remainder of 2018/19.
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So not confirmed. Just assumed
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Which is why I said it's a lot less likely. Although common sense says we don't.
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We might not have that option but I’m going by the strong statements made by Purslow on more than one occasion now about no longer loaning to benefit other teams. So my assumption would be all of our loans would be set up with that option whether it was publicly announced or not.
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It's possible, but then why announce we have an option on two players and not on the other one if we had one?
Aston Villa is delighted to announce the signing of Tom Carroll on loan from Swansea City.
The 26-year-old midfielder will link up with the claret and blues until the end of the season in a deal that also includes an option to buy.
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I read somewhere that we had an option to 'match bids' for Mings.
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A look online and it was Nursey at The Mirror that said it.
Aston Villa have snapped up Tyrone Mings on loan and teed up a potential summer deal for Bournemouth defender.
Centre-back Mings, 25, who can also play full-back, is joining Villa until the end of the season from the Premier League Cherries.
But Villa have agreed a 'matching clause' in the deal enabling them to meet any rival offers for Mings in the summer.
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Thought KH had his best game to date, seems to be getting sharper and more confident, as you would hope, with more "gametime"
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Much better than at Brentford
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Solid defensively yes but in the modern game you need full backs who can attack at pace and get effective crosses in - Hause like all our full backs can't do this.
I thought he attacked quite well at times today
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I honestly can't think of any occasions he did sorry.
I think it was his cross when Tammy had his (offside) chance second half. Other than this he didn’t really attempt any crosses, but then again no one else did either.
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A look online and it was Nursey at The Mirror that said it.
Aston Villa have snapped up Tyrone Mings on loan and teed up a potential summer deal for Bournemouth defender.
Centre-back Mings, 25, who can also play full-back, is joining Villa until the end of the season from the Premier League Cherries.
But Villa have agreed a 'matching clause' in the deal enabling them to meet any rival offers for Mings in the summer.
This was reported in a few places. That clause means very little in practice.
Bournemouth refused an option to buy clause which makes sense for them as the better Mings plays for us, the more it benefits them.
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He was defensively sound and hit one or two crosses, however his lack of ambition meant that the ball ended up going from him backwards and then into the crowded midfield.
Still, better than previous performances and he might get forward more often as his confidence grows.
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Hause looked like a competition winner on Wednesday but I was impressed yesterday. Looked solid and also had a major hand in our 3 best chances.
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Much improved perfomance from KH. him and Mings looked pretty secure, compared to Elphick and Hutton
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Kortney had a good game for us yesterday played much better than he did against Brentford.
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After being out for so long its understandable that he was a bit rusty.
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After being out for so long in the rain its understandable that he was a bit rusty.
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;-)
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D0LPtZ0WsAAgKpA.jpg:large)
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Did alright. Got forward at times and defended well against Ince.
What I like is he was comfortable bringing the ball out of the back and didn't panic and just hit it long when Stoke pressed him. Him and Mings are good at that.
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When Tuanzebe is back we could actually have a pretty cultured defence and a good base from which to get back to a pressing game. Too late to mean anything obv.
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He's getting better the more games he play's for us.
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He's getting better the more games he play's for us.
Getting rid of the rust and getting up to match fitness makes all the difference.
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He is. I felt he was better going forwards too, lovely by-line cross for Tammy 2nd half. He also kept Ince silent too.
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Glad he is getting better. Could be an asset next season. Seems his debut at Brentford was as poor as Ugo's debut v Norwich!
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Glad he is getting better. Could be an asset next season. Seems his debut at Brentford was as poor as Ugo's debut v Norwich!
Oh you scamp.
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Glad he is getting better. Could be an asset next season. Seems his debut at Brentford was as poor as Ugo's debut v Norwich!
Oh you scamp.
For the last time, it was because Fabregas had knobbled him.
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Glad he is getting better. Could be an asset next season. Seems his debut at Brentford was as poor as Ugo's debut v Norwich!
Oh you scamp.
;)
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Yes, happily we have a manager who has more patience with players than some posters on here.
It was predictable that Hause would be ring-rusty after so little playing time, but now we are starting to see his worth.
But will we buy him, if we also purchase Mings?
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Yes, happily we have a manager who has more patience with players than some posters on here.
It was predictable that Hause would be ring-rusty after so little playing time, but now we are starting to see his worth.
But will we buy him, if we also purchase Mings?
I understand that we have an agreement for Hause in place but not for Mings. I really hope we get both.
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Me too. I think they're playing the wrong way round personally.
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Me too. I think they're playing the wrong way round personally.
It's noteworthy that Axel had a stint at RB before moving into the centre. It could be that Hause follows a similar path.
I'd be very happy to sign both permanently.
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Glad he is getting better. Could be an asset next season. Seems his debut at Brentford was as poor as Ugo's debut v Norwich!
Funny, cos I thought his debut was at Wigan.
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Glad he is getting better. Could be an asset next season. Seems his debut at Brentford was as poor as Ugo's debut v Norwich!
Funny, cos I thought his debut was at Wigan.
You've got two barrels in him Dave P! Nobody can submerge with two barrels on em'!
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Glad he is getting better. Could be an asset next season. Seems his debut at Brentford was as poor as Ugo's debut v Norwich!
Funny, cos I thought his debut was at Wigan.
Yes! Got one!
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Glad he is getting better. Could be an asset next season. Seems his debut at Brentford was as poor as Ugo's debut v Norwich!
Funny, cos I thought his debut was at Wigan.
You've got two barrels in him Dave P! Nobody can submerge with two barrels on em'!
Boom!
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Good opportunity this season to have a really good look at Hause, serve his apprenticeship, get game time and hopefully be up to full fitness next season.
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Yes, happily we have a manager who has more patience with players than some posters on here.
It was predictable that Hause would be ring-rusty after so little playing time, but now we are starting to see his worth.
But will we buy him, if we also purchase Mings?
I understand that we have an agreement for Hause in place but not for Mings. I really hope we get both.
Jury is still out on Hause for me - hopefully he'll come good. But I'd love us to sign up Mings, he has the making of an excellent player and can see him becoming a big favourite.
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Hause is improving considerably his physique is suited to this division he will not be pushed aside easily, Ming’s would be a great signing he has talent & determination ( just like Milner) Ming’s is captain potential as he appears to motivate the rest
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We may competition for his services, as new Stuttgart technical director Thomas Hitzlsperger is allegedly interested in him.
If he goes there, it will be Hause under Der Hammer.
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We may competition for his services, as new Stuttgart technical director Thomas Hitzlsperger is allegedly interested in him.
If he goes there, it will be Hause under Der Hammer.
Taxi for LeeB
Taxi for LeeB
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We may competition for his services, as new Stuttgart technical director Thomas Hitzlsperger is allegedly interested in him.
If he goes there, it will be Hause under Der Hammer.
Taxi for LeeB
Taxi for LeeB
oh it tickled me , I will get my coat as well
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Absolutely solid display. He looks fit and strong and technically very good. If we can sign Mings that will our left side of the defence sorted for a while. Certainly more than good enough for the Championship.
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He was fantastic today.
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Does he offer anything going forward now he’s nearing full fitness?
At Brentford he looked like he was blowing out his arse after about ten minutes so very hard to judge if a fit version would have the legs to get up and down the pitch.
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Very god today. Looks a proper player
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Absolutely solid display. He looks fit and strong and technically very good. If we can sign Mings that will our left side of the defence sorted for a while. Certainly more than good enough for the Championship.
That's what I was most impressed by him up at Stoke. When pressed and under pressure he kept calm and just passed rather than hitting the ball as far up the pitch as possible as Hutton and Taylor have done over last two seasons.
If Smith style is to be a proper success we need better ball players at the back to feed ball into midfield. I assume the French RB will be technically decent so our defence should look decent if we can get Mings back full time.
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Does he offer anything going forward now he’s nearing full fitness?
At Brentford he looked like he was blowing out his arse after about ten minutes so very hard to judge if a fit version would have the legs to get up and down the pitch.
What are you talking about
Hause was excellent today!
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Great performance.
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Absolutely solid display. He looks fit and strong and technically very good.
Defo, TV
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thought he was Villa's most improved player
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Down the left we have two fucking big units in Hause and Mings. And not just big bastards but actually really decent footballers too. When’s the last time we could say that. Shame that Elphick is hurt as in all likelihood Mings will go to RCB and Hause to left with Taylor coming in.
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I don't know if it was Jack coming back or Hause starting to get more confident, but for the first time in weeks we were passing the ball out from defence like we were when Smiffy first took over.
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We may competition for his services, as new Stuttgart technical director Thomas Hitzlsperger is allegedly interested in him.
If he goes there, it will be Hause under Der Hammer.
Well I liked it.
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I'm glad he's settled, I thought he was a really good signing at the time because I remember him looking superb for the England U21s, with a fee agreed we'd be mad not to make it permanent in the summer
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Hause dominated yesterday. At one point just brushing a Derby attacker aside with his strength.
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I think he fits in well, because he's absolute shite.
This sums up the posts from a couple of weeks ago. Just after he joined us and played his first match.
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He’s starting to look very impressive now.
What a transformation from his debut?
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In Hause and Mings we have two players who appear to be comfortable with the ball and who both can deliver a long Pass with some accuracy.
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We appear to sign players like Mings and Hause because the can play the way the head coach wants the team to play. What the hell is this voodoo?
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I don't know if it was Jack coming back or Hause starting to get more confident, but for the first tim in weeks we were passing the ball out from defence like we were when Smiffy first took over.
Totally agree Dave, we looked so much better. Hause was superb yesterday.
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I would be amazed if we get Mings, but Hause looks well worth signing.
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At least the Hause fee is already agreed. Absolute no brainer and less upheaval as he's already here and knows the club.
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I think he fits in well, because he's absolute shite.
This sums up the posts from a couple of weeks ago. Just after he joined us and played his first match.
Yes, some people haven't got a clue...
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I think he fits in well, because he's absolute shite.
This sums up the posts from a couple of weeks ago. Just after he joined us and played his first match.
Yes, some people haven't got a clue...
He wasn't the only one on that page.
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I can't remember whether I said so on here but he was so bad at Brentford that I felt sorry for him. He's a good reminder to us all that people need a chance to settle. Delighted for him (and us).
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I seem to recall Ugo having a nightmare debut at home to Norwich. If it wasn't his actual debut it was certainly one of his earliest games for us.
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I seem to recall Ugo having a nightmare debut at home to Norwich. If it wasn't his actual debut it was certainly one of his earliest games for us.
It was definitely his debut.
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I think he fits in well, because he's absolute shite.
This sums up the posts from a couple of weeks ago. Just after he joined us and played his first match.
I might have been the only one that cut him any slack that day. It does prove not to judge a player one way pr the other based on what could be a very isolated incident or circumstance.
He’s not played in ages and looked exactly as you would expect tossed into a game where we are already playing shit. Let’s not go overboard on a bad debut. The whole team is fucking mince right now.
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I stand by what I said at the time:
As I said on the match thread, I preferred him to Taylor, neither of them offer anything positive going forward but at least Hause got his positioning right and didn't let his winger dominate the game. Longer term I want a proper left back who can defend but also get forward and provide width but for now I'll take one that can do half of the job effectively.
He's doing a very good job in the defensive side of the game (and to be fair he's looking better going forward now) but I still think he's a centre back doing a job rather than an out and out modern fullback.
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He just gets better and better each game he plays.
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I stand by what I said at the time:
As I said on the match thread, I preferred him to Taylor, neither of them offer anything positive going forward but at least Hause got his positioning right and didn't let his winger dominate the game. Longer term I want a proper left back who can defend but also get forward and provide width but for now I'll take one that can do half of the job effectively.
He's doing a very good job in the defensive side of the game (and to be fair he's looking better going forward now) but I still think he's a centre back doing a job rather than an out and out modern fullback.
I know what you mean but as a big lump of a lad he seemed to chug forward effectively a few times yesterday.
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I stand by what I said at the time:
As I said on the match thread, I preferred him to Taylor, neither of them offer anything positive going forward but at least Hause got his positioning right and didn't let his winger dominate the game. Longer term I want a proper left back who can defend but also get forward and provide width but for now I'll take one that can do half of the job effectively.
He's doing a very good job in the defensive side of the game (and to be fair he's looking better going forward now) but I still think he's a centre back doing a job rather than an out and out modern fullback.
I know what you mean but as a big lump of a lad he seemed to chug forward effectively a few times yesterday.
He's definitely a good option as a backup and he's a far better player than Taylor but, as has been mentioned on another thread, I suspect the wingers will play much more narrow next season (Green, O'hare and RHM suit that role better than being a traditional winger and I suspect we'll add at least 1 more) sothe full backs have to be willing to get right up the pitch and then put quality into the box, I'm not sure Hause has that (but lets see over the next couple of months).
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I stand by what I said at the time:
As I said on the match thread, I preferred him to Taylor, neither of them offer anything positive going forward but at least Hause got his positioning right and didn't let his winger dominate the game. Longer term I want a proper left back who can defend but also get forward and provide width but for now I'll take one that can do half of the job effectively.
He's doing a very good job in the defensive side of the game (and to be fair he's looking better going forward now) but I still think he's a centre back doing a job rather than an out and out modern fullback.
I know what you mean but as a big lump of a lad he seemed to chug forward effectively a few times yesterday.
He's definitely a good option as a backup and he's a far better player than Taylor but, as has been mentioned on another thread, I suspect the wingers will play much more narrow next season (Green, O'hare and RHM suit that role better than being a traditional winger and I suspect we'll add at least 1 more) sothe full backs have to be willing to get right up the pitch and then put quality into the box, I'm not sure Hause has that (but lets see over the next couple of months).
He did quite a bit of that yesterday to be fair
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He did quite a bit of that yesterday to be fair
I've only seen highlights but what I saw was lots of him being a good defender and a technically capable player who could pick a pass but I didn't see anything of him breaking beyond the opposite fullback and turning the defence around, that's the sort of thing I'm talking about. This probably sounds horribly negative but I really don't mean it like that, my point is that how he played yesterday, and how I'd expect him to play as a left back, requires a winger in front of him, if he's the main source of width going forward then he needs to show that he can pin their fullback in his own half at times.
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I seem to recall Ugo having a nightmare debut at home to Norwich. If it wasn't his actual debut it was certainly one of his earliest games for us.
It was definitely his debut.
Amazing how well Ugo turned out after that nightmare debut. Also surprised people don't mention his debut more often. It's like there has been a collective memory lapse.
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I seem to recall Ugo having a nightmare debut at home to Norwich. If it wasn't his actual debut it was certainly one of his earliest games for us.
It was definitely his debut.
Amazing how well Ugo turned out after that nightmare debut. Also surprised people don't mention his debut more often. It's like there has been a collective memory lapse.
Thats because we’re such a positive bunch 🤣
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That Ugo reference recently has become the new Barry not taking the penalty shit. Surprised at Damo as he reads and posts on here morning, noon and night.
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He did quite a bit of that yesterday to be fair
I've only seen highlights but what I saw was lots of him being a good defender and a technically capable player who could pick a pass but I didn't see anything of him breaking beyond the opposite fullback and turning the defence around, that's the sort of thing I'm talking about. This probably sounds horribly negative but I really don't mean it like that, my point is that how he played yesterday, and how I'd expect him to play as a left back, requires a winger in front of him, if he's the main source of width going forward then he needs to show that he can pin their fullback in his own half at times.
When Jack plays, the midfield formation is inevitably more fluid, so I wonder if Hause was told to sit a bit more. Especially as Elmo and Albert were attacking what remains of Ashley Cole at every opportunity
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I think he fits in well, because he's absolute shite.
This sums up the posts from a couple of weeks ago. Just after he joined us and played his first match.
I might have been the only one that cut him any slack that day. It does prove not to judge a player one way pr the other based on what could be a very isolated incident or circumstance.
He’s not played in ages and looked exactly as you would expect tossed into a game where we are already playing shit. Let’s not go overboard on a bad debut. The whole team is fucking mince right now.
I think I was the same when Ugo made his debut. Against Norwich.
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I think he fits in well, because he's absolute shite.
This sums up the posts from a couple of weeks ago. Just after he joined us and played his first match.
I might have been the only one that cut him any slack that day. It does prove not to judge a player one way pr the other based on what could be a very isolated incident or circumstance.
He’s not played in ages and looked exactly as you would expect tossed into a game where we are already playing shit. Let’s not go overboard on a bad debut. The whole team is fucking mince right now.
I think I was the same when Ugo made his debut. Against Norwich.
At Villa Park wasn't it?
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So it looks like we've gone from having two right footed centre backs playing as a pair to now most likely having two left footed ones playing for the foreseeable. Fingers crossed one of Mings or Hause can play on the right better than Chester managed on the left.
Hause has looked very promising recently at left back. Glad we got that clause to buy him in the summer sorted
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I think he fits in well, because he's absolute shite.
This sums up the posts from a couple of weeks ago. Just after he joined us and played his first match.
I might have been the only one that cut him any slack that day. It does prove not to judge a player one way pr the other based on what could be a very isolated incident or circumstance.
He’s not played in ages and looked exactly as you would expect tossed into a game where we are already playing shit. Let’s not go overboard on a bad debut. The whole team is fucking mince right now.
I think I was the same when Ugo made his debut. Against Norwich.
So a player thats been out with an injury and not played for a while looks a bit rusty in his first game.
Shock, and after a couple of games looks like a good player.
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A word for Mr Hause. I thought outside of the one incident where he stepped on the ball, he was superb playing on the wrong side. He looked really composed for a young lad playing his first decent stint of football. Well done young man.
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Him and Mings from August and we would be in the playoffs. Steer deserves a shout too, in the side on merit.
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A word for Mr Hause. I thought outside of the one incident where he stepped on the ball, he was superb playing on the wrong side. He looked really composed for a young lad playing his first decent stint of football. Well done young man.
True. That push on their striker was completely mad though. It could quite easily have been a penalty given the quality of the refs down here. I prefer him at left back and assume he'll be moved there once Chester comes back. As you said though, he's been great wherever he's been asked.
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A word for Mr Hause. I thought outside of the one incident where he stepped on the ball, he was superb playing on the wrong side. He looked really composed for a young lad playing his first decent stint of football. Well done young man.
True. That push on their striker was completely mad though. It could quite easily have been a penalty given the quality of the refs down here. I prefer him at left back and assume he'll be moved there once Chester comes back. As you said though, he's been great wherever he's been asked.
I'd rather pair Mings with Tuanzebe who is virtually fit now and due back at Bodymoor Heath tomorrow. Then Hause can play at LB. This gives us height, power and speed at the back. Perhaps try Chester at RB?
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Elmo has been decent of late. AT and Mings with Hause at LB is a solid back four. Kalinic will come good too but right now Steer has done very little wrong.
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Hause was very good today barring the one slip. And that's from an apparently comically bad debut at Wigan only 7 weeks ago or whatever it's been. He's improving dramatically and quickly. If we can sign him and Mings and keep them fit I'll be well chuffed.
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A word for Mr Hause. I thought outside of the one incident where he stepped on the ball, he was superb playing on the wrong side. He looked really composed for a young lad playing his first decent stint of football. Well done young man.
True. That push on their striker was completely mad though. It could quite easily have been a penalty given the quality of the refs down here. I prefer him at left back and assume he'll be moved there once Chester comes back. As you said though, he's been great wherever he's been asked.
I'd rather pair Mings with Tuanzebe who is virtually fit now and due back at Bodymoor Heath tomorrow. Then Hause can play at LB. This gives us height, power and speed at the back. Perhaps try Chester at RB?
I think I'd prefer Tuanzebe at right back, compared to Chester that is. Good to have more competition for places, just at the right time too.
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A word for Mr Hause. I thought outside of the one incident where he stepped on the ball, he was superb playing on the wrong side. He looked really composed for a young lad playing his first decent stint of football. Well done young man.
True. That push on their striker was completely mad though. It could quite easily have been a penalty given the quality of the refs down here. I prefer him at left back and assume he'll be moved there once Chester comes back. As you said though, he's been great wherever he's been asked.
I'd rather pair Mings with Tuanzebe who is virtually fit now and due back at Bodymoor Heath tomorrow. Then Hause can play at LB. This gives us height, power and speed at the back. Perhaps try Chester at RB?
I think I'd prefer Tuanzebe at right back, compared to Chester that is. Good to have more competition for places, just at the right time too.
Might even be able to try Tuanzebe in midfield.
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A word for Mr Hause. I thought outside of the one incident where he stepped on the ball, he was superb playing on the wrong side. He looked really composed for a young lad playing his first decent stint of football. Well done young man.
True. That push on their striker was completely mad though. It could quite easily have been a penalty given the quality of the refs down here. I prefer him at left back and assume he'll be moved there once Chester comes back. As you said though, he's been great wherever he's been asked.
I'd rather pair Mings with Tuanzebe who is virtually fit now and due back at Bodymoor Heath tomorrow. Then Hause can play at LB. This gives us height, power and speed at the back. Perhaps try Chester at RB?
I think I'd prefer Tuanzebe at right back, compared to Chester that is. Good to have more competition for places, just at the right time too.
Might even be able to try Tuanzebe in midfield.
Yes, the DM role is still a problem.
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Was solid again today.
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A word for Mr Hause. I thought outside of the one incident where he stepped on the ball, he was superb playing on the wrong side. He looked really composed for a young lad playing his first decent stint of football. Well done young man.
True. That push on their striker was completely mad though. It could quite easily have been a penalty given the quality of the refs down here. I prefer him at left back and assume he'll be moved there once Chester comes back. As you said though, he's been great wherever he's been asked.
I'd rather pair Mings with Tuanzebe who is virtually fit now and due back at Bodymoor Heath tomorrow. Then Hause can play at LB. This gives us height, power and speed at the back. Perhaps try Chester at RB?
I think I'd prefer Tuanzebe at right back, compared to Chester that is. Good to have more competition for places, just at the right time too.
Might even be able to try Tuanzebe in midfield.
Yes, the DM role is still a problem.
If all goes well our back line next season could be:
Guilbert - Chester - Mings - Hause
And as DM - Tuanzebe.
Nice
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I'd leave Hause in the middle and buy a new left back. Taylor was dreadful as usual yesterday.
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I'd leave Hause in the middle and buy a new left back. Taylor was dreadful as usual yesterday.
I wouldn’t play two left footed CB’s. I like Hause at LB. Whether we go up or not and we can secure Mings we need to get an upgrade on Chester. And if we go up I’d lash out £20-25m on securing Tuanzabee or another top right sided CB.
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Looks so uneasy on the ball, first instinct is to smack it down the line (which more often than not, ended up going out of play) he's not a left back.
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The only consolation is it´s only a loan so we´re only on the hook for 6 months wages instead of 3 years plus a transfer fee.
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I think he fits in well, because he's absolute shite.
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I can understand why he looked nervous - he's shite.
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I think the best one was Cart Hause! Ha ha!
Maybe he was a little rusty after his injury and not shit after all and actually our scouts do know what they are doing now.
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The quote fest above Matt, is needed for what reason?
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The quote fest above Matt, is needed for what reason?
To me it seems like a timely reminder the you only judge a player when hes had a bit of a run in the team
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We have had a couple of defenders over the years who were awful on debut. Ugo anyone?
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We have had a couple of defenders over the years who were awful on debut. Ugo anyone?
Yes, Ugo's debut against Norwich was awful. As debut's go, his debut game, ie the first game he ever played for us, was a really awful debut.
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We have had a couple of defenders over the years who were awful on debut. Ugo anyone?
Yes, Ugo's debut against Norwich was awful. As debut's go, his debut game, ie the first game he ever played for us, was a really awful debut.
I hadn't realised that, first time I've seen it mentioned. Was that the same game where we had a penalty that Barry didn't take......
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The quote fest above Matt, is needed for what reason?
He did the same after Kod had that good game against Brentford, which worked out well.
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The quote fest above Matt, is needed for what reason?
He did the same after Kod had that good game against Brentford, which worked out well.
Ah, I see. Ok.
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with axel and lansbury coming back , the bench is going to look good and is a hard choice for DS to name .
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From reviewing the highlights of the derby again, Hause did make some big mistakes. Peno shout, yellow card but worst of all was his effort to clear the cross that led to the first Gardner chance. Just slashed at it with his left foot completely missing the ball. Got caught a couple of times positionally with headers leaving Mings to come across from the left to sort things out.
It's very difficult swapping centre back positions, caught out Chester very badly all season, Terry was a car crash when he played on right side in the 2010 world cup.
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Nah, he's a very good defender at this level, just needs a bit of time. He's getting better all the time and has looked decent overall again tonight.
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Nah, he's a very good defender at this level, just needs a bit of time. He's getting better all the time and has looked decent overall again tonight.
He's clearly on the wrong side though, he keeps turning back inside, he needs time to get used to playing on the wrong side but he is still playing well enough to deserve that time.
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Nice goal young Kortney, in off the truncheon by the looks of it!! Solid enough again tonight.
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The quote fest above Matt, is needed for what reason?
To me it seems like a timely reminder the you only judge a player when hes had a bit of a run in the team
Exactly
Written off after one start. Ludicrous
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The quote fest above Matt, is needed for what reason?
To me it seems like a timely reminder the you only judge a player when hes had a bit of a run in the team
Exactly
Written off after one start. Ludicrous
Being pompous about the situation now seems just as bad as what you're complaining about.
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Seems to be settling in well after a few games under his belt. He's got away with a few mistakes and dodgy challenges in the last few games though so he'll get better if he can cut that side out of his game. Once Chester, Axel and Elphick are back we'll actually have a very decent, strong and solid defensive unit.
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You again have to wonder what the quality of defenders are like in the PL (In this vase Wolves). Hause seems better than most if not all of the players we've had in recent years, concrete Ron included.
Hause/Mings is as solid as at least Dunne/Collins and possibly better. Early days but long may it continue. No way will Axel get back into the side if this pair continue as they are doing.
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Chester or Tuanzabe has to be the RSCH with Hause returning to left back
That is as good a set up as anything.
Mings is quality
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Chester or Tuanzabe has to be the RSCH with Hause returning to left back
That is as good a set up as anything.
Mings is quality
I wouldn't be against that (more because I see Taylor as a weak link) However, the pairing seems to be gelling very well and I would probably stick with it. Taylor hasn't done too badly and that could possibly be because of the strong central pairing inside of him.
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I think Dean will want a right footed CB to restore balance so I can see Axel alongside Mings, with Hause returning to LB.
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Powerhause
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sounded like Horse when I listened on wm last night
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Nice goal young Kortney, in off the truncheon by the looks of it!! Solid enough again tonight.
Forest have had the treatment twice this season as Tammy scored a painful goal against them in 5-5.
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You again have to wonder what the quality of defenders are like in the PL (In this vase Wolves). Hause seems better than most if not all of the players we've had in recent years, concrete Ron included.
Hause/Mings is as solid as at least Dunne/Collins and possibly better. Early days but long may it continue. No way will Axel get back into the side if this pair continue as they are doing.
Yes they appear to be much better than our recent lot but being good in PL is a totally different ball game. The quality of attackers in PL is much much higher than anything they face in this division so there must be a reason why they were not playing regularly for their clubs.
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It’s it House or Whores?
Commentators use Whores
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You again have to wonder what the quality of defenders are like in the PL (In this vase Wolves). Hause seems better than most if not all of the players we've had in recent years, concrete Ron included.
Hause/Mings is as solid as at least Dunne/Collins and possibly better. Early days but long may it continue. No way will Axel get back into the side if this pair continue as they are doing.
No, both left footers which isn't ideal. Axel can play right CB alongside Mings. Hause to move to LB. This gives better balance plus 3 tall defenders.
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You again have to wonder what the quality of defenders are like in the PL (In this vase Wolves). Hause seems better than most if not all of the players we've had in recent years, concrete Ron included.
Hause/Mings is as solid as at least Dunne/Collins and possibly better. Early days but long may it continue. No way will Axel get back into the side if this pair continue as they are doing.
No, both left footers which isn't ideal. Axel can play right CB alongside Mings. Hause to move to LB. This gives better balance plus 3 tall defenders.
2 left footers isn’t ideal but it isn’t the end of the world.
I’d sooner stick with something solid than gamble that axel hits the ground running when he comes back.
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Chester or Tuanzabe has to be the RSCH with Hause returning to left back
That is as good a set up as anything.
Mings is quality
I wouldn't be against that (more because I see Taylor as a weak link) However, the pairing seems to be gelling very well and I would probably stick with it. Taylor hasn't done too badly and that could possibly be because of the strong central pairing inside of him.
Yep seems to be solid pretty much all game at the moment, but then just has that one momentary lapse . Only young and relatively inexperienced at this stage and is on his 'wrong' side, so is doing well.
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Kortney was playing well at left back after his 1st game but he is getting better with his partnership with Ming’s who I believe also is helping Taylor with his game & confidence. It would be great if we could sign
them both & buid our defense from that. The only thing that appears to need an improvement with Kortney is his last ditch tackle as proved when he got booked at forest
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Hause is getting himself into the odd problem by not trusting his right foot for passing. Strikers will work that out and target it – he's fine when he needs to put his foot through it on that side, but against both Blues and Forest he nearly got caught out trying to shift it back onto his left.
I'd love to see Hause – Mings – Tuanzebe – Elmo across the back. A centre pairing very comfortable on the ball and building out from the back, with enough defensive and attacking ability out wide.
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Hause is getting himself into the odd problem by not trusting his right foot for passing. Strikers will work that out and target it – he's fine when he needs to put his foot through it on that side, but against both Blues and Forest he nearly got caught out trying to shift it back onto his left.
I'd love to see Hause – Mings – Tuanzebe – Elmo across the back. A centre pairing very comfortable on the ball and building out from the back, with enough defensive and attacking ability out wide.
Agree with that and we've seen it happen with Chester when he has played on the left side of central defence as well. I think it is just that doubt of being on your weaker foot and the fractional delay that can cause which land you in trouble.
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He was really good at Notts Forest I thought.
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He was really good at Notts Forest I thought.
Who?
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Hause is getting himself into the odd problem by not trusting his right foot for passing. Strikers will work that out and target it – he's fine when he needs to put his foot through it on that side, but against both Blues and Forest he nearly got caught out trying to shift it back onto his left.
I'd love to see Hause – Mings – Tuanzebe – Elmo across the back. A centre pairing very comfortable on the ball and building out from the back, with enough defensive and attacking ability out wide.
Yep from me too.
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He was really good at Notts Forest I thought.
Who?
the subject of this thread
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The bit in bold is what he was getting at I think. There's no such team as Notts Forest.
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Nor is there such a team as 'Villa' 'The Villa', 'Blues', et al but let's not go walking down Pedantry Strasse.
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How are Nottingham County getting on these days. Is Jimmy Sirrel still in charge? ;)
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After a shaky start, he's looked quite good for Aston.
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I assume that after a few games he will be at left back with tuanzebe at centre back
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Forest don't actually play in Nottingham, they play in West Bridgford. Therefore, they should only be referred to as Notts Forest, nothing else would be as accurate.
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Forest don't actually play in Nottingham, they play in West Bridgford. Therefore, they should only be referred to as Notts Forest, nothing else would be as accurate.
This is devastating news.
All those years singing:
We hate Nottingham Forest
We hate Albion too
We hate Birmingham City
But Villa we love you
All for naught; a trick to make it scan.
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Forest don't actually play in Nottingham, they play in West Bridgford. Therefore, they should only be referred to as Notts Forest, nothing else would be as accurate.
Which leads on to one of my favourite quiz questions. In 1997 what became unique about Notts/Nottingham Forest?
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Forest don't actually play in Nottingham, they play in West Bridgford. Therefore, they should only be referred to as Notts Forest, nothing else would be as accurate.
Which leads on to one of my favourite quiz questions. In 1997 what became unique about Notts/Nottingham Forest?
I don't know the answer to that but I believe the two Nottingham teams have the closest grounds to each other in the four professional English divisions. Apparently the only grounds closer to each other in the professional leagues of England and Scotland are those of Dundee and Dundee United.
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Forest don't actually play in Nottingham, they play in West Bridgford. Therefore, they should only be referred to as Notts Forest, nothing else would be as accurate.
Which leads on to one of my favourite quiz questions. In 1997 what became unique about Notts/Nottingham Forest?
Was it the first time a two time European Cup winning side got relegated?
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Forest don't actually play in Nottingham, they play in West Bridgford. Therefore, they should only be referred to as Notts Forest, nothing else would be as accurate.
Which leads on to one of my favourite quiz questions. In 1997 what became unique about Notts/Nottingham Forest?
Was it the first time a two time European Cup winning side got relegated?
No.
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Go on then...
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Did the boundaries of the city change so they become the only team to play in a location outside of their name?
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Did the boundaries of the city change so they become the only team to play in a location outside of their name?
There have been loads of those over the yers, surely?
Manchester United and Grimsby Town being two of a few that spring immediately to mind.
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Did the boundaries of the city change so they become the only team to play in a location outside of their name?
There have been loads of those over the yers, surely?
Manchester United and Grimsby Town being two of a few that spring immediately to mind.
Yeah. Bet Tranmere is one as well without checking.
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I wouldn't have thought it's the answer but I remember reading somewhere that Meadow Lane is in the city of Nottingham but the City Ground is actually in the county of Nottinghamshire.
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After the 1997 general election they were the only club with a Tory MP.
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After the 1997 general election they were the only club with a Tory MP.
Blimey, is that right?
What about a team like Bournemouth?
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Can't believe I'm checking these, but also - Macclesfield. I only know that one because a lad who used to work me was the son of the MP.
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Can't believe I'm checking these, but also - Macclesfield. I only know that one because a lad who used to work me was the son of the MP.
They won the Conference that year.
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Ah, league clubs only? Still though, Bournemouth?
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Ah, league clubs only? Still though, Bournemouth?
Ah, league clubs only? Still though, Bournemouth?
Briefly gained independence in 1996. Or maybe the question was bollocks.
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Swindon south has had a conservative MP since it was created in 1997, so the County Ground another?
Also Stamford Bridge in Chelsea and Kensington had a Conservative MP.
Bournemouth is correct.
So 3 so far; Chelsea, Bournemouth and Swindon.
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Swindon south has had a conservative MP since it was created in 1997, so the County Ground another?
Also Stamford Bridge in Chelsea and Kensington had a Conservative MP.
Bournemouth is correct.
So 3 so far; Chelsea, Bournemouth and Swindon.
Stamford Bridge was then in Hammersmith and Fulham, which had a Labour MP.
And South Swindon Constituency was Labour in 1997. In the early part of 1997, prior to boundary changes, it was in the Swindon Constituency.
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The boundaries changed in 1997 to Swindon north and south. I'm not sure which the ground is in to be honest.
Stamford Bridge in Hammersmith?
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The boundaries changed in 1997 to Swindon north and south. I'm not sure which the ground is in to be honest.
Stamford Bridge in Hammersmith?
It's in Fulham. The constituency in 1997 was called Hammersmith and Fulham.
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The boundaries changed in 1997 to Swindon north and south. I'm not sure which the ground is in to be honest.
Stamford Bridge in Hammersmith?
It's in Fulham. The constituency in 1997 was called Hammersmith and Fulham.
Arthur Daley and Terry McCann knew this. Right people, right time just wrong location.
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Very Surreal clicking on the Kortney thread, to be greeted by this discussion..only on H&V 😂
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Any news on his injury? He’s been great for us and hope he is back soon.
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Deano mentioned a hip problem post-match. Doesn't sound good. A dampner on a good day. Typical of our season so far. At least Axel is fit now with Chessie and Tommy Elphick back in training. We have to sign Kortney on a permanent deal.
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Axel for Kortney wouldn’t be the worst replacement particularly with the Emporer on his left hand side! All three are really good players.
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I'd forgotten about Elphick. That's 5 centre halves we can put in that I'd be confident in doing the business. When the hell did that happen?
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I'd forgotten about Elphick. That's 5 centre halves we can put in that I'd be confident in doing the business. When the hell did that happen?
Don't forget our first choice at the stat#rt of the season too, Jedinak......
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I'd forgotten about Elphick. That's 5 centre halves we can put in that I'd be confident in doing the business. When the hell did that happen?
Don't forget our first choice at the stat#rt of the season too, Jedinak......
I had until you've painfully reminded me.
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I'd definitely be starting Hause at left back ahead of Taylor at Wembley. Taylor absolutely refuses to ever, ever, ever attempt a cross. If he can knock it back to absolutely anybody behind him, he always will. One of the two weak spots we need to fix for the final, the other being the wide right player up front.
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I'd definitely be starting Hause at left back ahead of Taylor at Wembley. Taylor absolutely refuses to ever, ever, ever attempt a cross. If he can knock it back to absolutely anybody behind him, he always will. One of the two weak spots we need to fix for the final, the other being the wide right player up front.
Agree on Hause at LB. Play Kodjia wide left and move El Ghazi to wide right?
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I'd definitely be starting Hause at left back ahead of Taylor at Wembley. Taylor absolutely refuses to ever, ever, ever attempt a cross. If he can knock it back to absolutely anybody behind him, he always will. One of the two weak spots we need to fix for the final, the other being the wide right player up front.
Agree on Hause at LB. Play Kodjia wide left and move El Ghazi to wide right?
Could be an option. Or play Whelan, McGinn and Hourihane in midfield, and Jack in a more advanced role?
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I'd definitely be starting Hause at left back ahead of Taylor at Wembley. Taylor absolutely refuses to ever, ever, ever attempt a cross. If he can knock it back to absolutely anybody behind him, he always will. One of the two weak spots we need to fix for the final, the other being the wide right player up front.
Agree on Hause at LB. Play Kodjia wide left and move El Ghazi to wide right?
Can’t see Hause starting as he’s not had much game time. Taylor is a problem though.
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I'd definitely be starting Hause at left back ahead of Taylor at Wembley. Taylor absolutely refuses to ever, ever, ever attempt a cross. If he can knock it back to absolutely anybody behind him, he always will. One of the two weak spots we need to fix for the final, the other being the wide right player up front.
That's not quite true, he played 1 cross that I remember last night, seem to remember it going about 15-20 yards further than it needed to.
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I think Hause is just a better player than Taylor. Better option in their box at corners, as well as ours of course.
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I think Hause is just a better player than Taylor. Better option in their box at corners, as well as ours of course.
A fucking road cone is better than Neil Taylor
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I think Hause is just a better player than Taylor. Better option in their box at corners, as well as ours of course.
Hause played LB when we beat them 4-0.
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He surely got to play after Taylor’s recent performances.
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Taylor's been OK defensively, which is a big improvement on his early horror shows this season, but he has absolutely no confidence once he gets past the half way line. He attempts a cross maybe once in every twenty opportunities, but nearly always turns around and looks for a player behind him to lay it off to. So many attacking opportunities break down because of him, it drives me mad. Hause is a much better full back, and just fits in much better alongside Mings. I can't see Smith dropping Taylor though.
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West Brom were happy to let Taylor have the ball anywhere in their half....says it all really.
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West Brom were happy to let all our players have the ball if it meant they didn't have to advance three yards further from their own goal line, the negative bellends.
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Taylor's primary role is as a defender and he's done fine. He played loads during our unbeaten run with hardly any complaints. Hause hasn't played in a while and a Wembley Final is an unforgiving place to return.
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Taylor's been OK defensively, which is a big improvement on his early horror shows this season, but he has absolutely no confidence once he gets past the half way line. He attempts a cross maybe once in every twenty opportunities, but nearly always turns around and looks for a player behind him to lay it off to. So many attacking opportunities break down because of him, it drives me mad. Hause is a much better full back, and just fits in much better alongside Mings. I can't see Smith dropping Taylor though.
Totally agree, Taylor gets a nose bleed when he approaches the 18yd box but Smith won't drop him.
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He won't you're right. But having Hause to come on if we find ourselves chasing the game could be invaluable with his strength and height.
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Taylor wasn't the only player to freeze in the final third, but he was our only defender not to concede possession cheaply in his own half. I'm not a fan but I think he's done ok and built up an understanding with El Ghazi, dropping him would be harsh imho.
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Maybe Taylor is given instructions not to cross it. Just a thought
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West Brom were happy to let Taylor have the ball anywhere in their half....says it all really.
This is the real problem, teams have realised that he's unwilling to even try to shoot or put crosses over so they don't worry about him getting the ball, which makes it easier to get men to Grealish, McGinn and AEG who would all benefit massively from a left back who had to be closed down.
The Baggies did it in both legs but so have a few other sides in the last couple of months. However, as Drummond says, maybe this isn't the time to make the change. Whatever happens in the final I doubt we'll see Taylor as a regular next season and I don't think replacing him with Hause will be the difference between winning and losing in that game so leaving things as they are might be the best course. Oddly if we were playing west brom next I'd definitely bring Hause in and I'd have started him on Tuesday but I don't see the same aerial threat from Derby.
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Hause is a much better player than Taylor, so he should play. You only get one shot at this, and we can't afford any weak areas.
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Maybe Taylor is given instructions not to cross it. Just a thought
If I was his boss I’d be telling him not to cross it too 😂
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Taylor wasn't the only player to freeze in the final third, but he was our only defender not to concede possession cheaply in his own half. I'm not a fan but I think he's done ok and built up an understanding with El Ghazi, dropping him would be harsh imho.
That's where I'm at.
He comes in for some harsh criticism based on previous ineptitude. However, I agree that - being a left-footer an' all - he should be much better at delivering into the box. hopefully, that is what is being drilled into him over this next week.
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Hause is a much better player than Taylor, so he should play. You only get one shot at this, and we can't afford any weak areas.
This. He just is better in every area- bigger, stronger and more composed , the only thing I don’t know is whether he is faster ?
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Hause is a much better player than Taylor, so he should play. You only get one shot at this, and we can't afford any weak areas.
This. He just is better in every area- bigger, stronger and more composed , the only thing I don’t know is whether he is faster ?
Faster, better passer, more adventurous.
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Hause is a much better player than Taylor, so he should play. You only get one shot at this, and we can't afford any weak areas.
This. He just is better in every area- bigger, stronger and more composed , the only thing I don’t know is whether he is faster ?
Faster, better passer, more adventurous.
Yep, and if you’re relying on a full back to be an attacking outlet it can’t be Taylor.
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I'd definitely get him in the team
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I’m not a Taylor fan but his relationship and understanding with AEG means Dean Smith will pick him. El Ghazi’s confidence and ability means teams have to be wary of him at all times and it hides a lot of Taylor’s deficiencies. So right I’d stick with Taylor.
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I’m not a Taylor fan but his relationship and understanding with AEG means Dean Smith will pick him. El Ghazi’s confidence and ability means teams have to be wary of him at all times and it hides a lot of Taylor’s deficiencies. So right I’d stick with Taylor.
Tend to agree TV, but I also like the idea of Hause on the bench as he can cover a lot of different positions/scenarios if players get injured.
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I’m not a Taylor fan but his relationship and understanding with AEG means Dean Smith will pick him. El Ghazi’s confidence and ability means teams have to be wary of him at all times and it hides a lot of Taylor’s deficiencies. So right I’d stick with Taylor.
Tend to agree TV, but I also like the idea of Hause on the bench as he can cover a lot of different positions/scenarios if players get injured.
It’s a good position to be in and a player that if selected or if he has to come on won’t let us down. And in the games vs Derby I don’t recall Taylor being targeted so I don’t think it’s a massive issue if gets picked.
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I just think hause is the better player, including on the ball
Not sure the Taylor / el ghazi link up is so fundamental to our approach that it trumps that
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I’m not a Taylor fan but his relationship and understanding with AEG means Dean Smith will pick him. El Ghazi’s confidence and ability means teams have to be wary of him at all times and it hides a lot of Taylor’s deficiencies. So right I’d stick with Taylor.
Tend to agree TV, but I also like the idea of Hause on the bench as he can cover a lot of different positions/scenarios if players get injured.
Agree with this
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I just feel that Taylor has too many mistakes in him, and that Derby with their youthful energy will target him down our left.
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I just feel that Taylor has too many mistakes in him, and that Derby with their youthful energy will target him down our left.
not my favourite player but he has been pretty steady over the last few weeks
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Defensively Taylor has been fine.
He gives the ball away too often in attack.His pass completion stats are 79% which is awful.
He gave the ball back to Albion 10 times in the second leg.
The opposition target him in the same way they did Cuellar, allowing him to be the pass that is on.
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I just feel that Taylor has too many mistakes in him, and that Derby with their youthful energy will target him down our left.
not my favourite player but he has been pretty steady over the last few weeks
Not in the first 10-20 mins of the recent games IMO. You can see why some teams pick that side out to bully him and why no one can be arsed to close him down when defending against him. I do agree he’s improved but once in the team he seems to gradually return to the bad old ways. Perhaps he the type that needs dropping to motivate himself. I would expect he will be up for it on Monday, who wouldn’t be.
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I do prefer Hause to Taylor, but I just can't see Smith making a change given Taylor has been a mainstay of our good run. He will probably see it as unnecessary fiddling.
I think he will start with the team that started the first leg. Harsh on Hourihane, but I just think we are more balanced that way.
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I don’t think he’ll play him at LB, he’ll be first choice CB next year without tuanzebe and Mings, partnering Chester.
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he’ll be first choice CB next year without tuanzebe and Mings
And who pissed on your chips?
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If Hause is going to play, he would've already.
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I don’t think he’ll play him at LB, he’ll be first choice CB next year without tuanzebe and Mings, partnering Chester.
So you don't think we'll get promoted then?
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https://twitter.com/JPercyTelegraph/status/1136336612365918208
"#avfc have triggered the option to sign #Wolves defender Kortney Hause on a permanent deal. Fee of around £3m #wwfc"
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Good move.
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Good to hear. Now get Mings and Tomori in as well...
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Excellent news...and a great signing at that price.
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Good stuff. Looked really promising once he'd found his feet and at 3m seems great business.
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Good news. At £3m this is a no-brainer. At worst a good sub centre half and left back and is only going to get better.
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Only fee agreed apparently, no personal terms agreed yet so bit of way to go yet
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Good to hear. Now get Mings and Tomori in as well...
Tomori would be eaten alive in the prem. No where near physically ready.
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That's good news, I only see him getting better with good coaching.
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Smart signing, very reasonable fee. Hope he’s the first of five loanees to return.
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Still not confirmed?? I thought this would be simple considering we've got the option to buy? We don't have any fit CB's at present!
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Just as well we've got two months before the season starts then.
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Football insider is saying contract terms now agreed
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So what's the delay with this one then? His dog prefers Wolverhampton?
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I reckon they wanted to do him/Mings/El Ghazi together in a big announcement - El Ghazi forced it with his "Announce Me" Tweet so they are hoping that Hause and Mings can be announced together now, but maybe the Mings delay (if that's what it is) will put a spanner in that as well. Purely guesswork by the way!
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So what's the delay with this one then? His dog prefers Wolverhampton?
He is inbound. Don't worry.
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Club Solicitor is doing some local searches before Hause purchase is completed.
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He had to back to Wulvz after the final so I imagine he'll need delousing again.
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Still not confirmed?? I thought this would be simple considering we've got the option to buy? We don't have any fit CB's at present!
Why do we need fit centre backs right now?
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Like pre-season training starts in about 3 weeks?? Let's sign a bunch of crocked players instead!
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That's not what he said though, is it? His point was that there isn't any rush to sign centre backs as we won't be playing any matches in the next three weeks, not that we should go out and sign injured players. If we sign Hause today or on the 26th June, it makes no difference.
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This is done. Welcome back Kortney - excellent signing
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Welcome back, Kortney.
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https://twitter.com/x7jbg/status/1140560474679009280?s=12
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Breaking news on SSN: Hause deal done! 😊👍
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Change the thread title to signed permanently .... on avfc site, it’s official
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Confirmed on Pravda now https://www.avfc.co.uk/News/2019/06/17/kortney-hause-signs-permanently
Welcome Kortney lad, great to have you back.
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The good work continues, welcome back.
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Welcome back Our Hause. 😊
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really good value considering the £££ banding about
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Kortney Hause MD (Magnificent Defender)
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Welcome home Kortney. Great to have you back.
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I like this lad. Three million is peanuts.
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Change the thread title to signed permanently .... on avfc site, it’s official
How about "Our Hause"?
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Third signing? Fourth innit? Or are we waiting on the work permit for Wes?
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Third signing? Fourth innit?
I thought that. I suppose we haven't actually signed Wes yet.
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Great news, Tyrone next.
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Welcome back matey, please continue to be good.
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Ah good news.
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Welcome back Kortney.
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Good business. £3m for a big, quick player, comfortable on the ball and versatile enough to play full back or centre half.
So far that's 3 permanent transfers for £9m. Good business.
Admittedly, we have a Brazilian striker also joining for £22m.
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Good
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Good business. £3m for a big, quick player, comfortable on the ball and versatile enough to play full back or centre half.
So far that's 3 permanent transfers for £9m. Good business.
Admittedly, we have a Brazilian striker also joining for £22m.
I'm led to believe that we're now in a world where 4 in for £31m falls squarely in the "peanuts" category.
Enjoy your stay, young man. Make it successful.
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Good business. £3m for a big, quick player, comfortable on the ball and versatile enough to play full back or centre half.
So far that's 3 permanent transfers for £9m. Good business.
Admittedly, we have a Brazilian striker also joining for £22m.
I'm led to believe that we're now in a world where 4 in for £31m falls squarely in the "peanuts" category.
Enjoy your stay, young man. Make it successful.
yes but if we purchase the players that we are heavily linked with that will treble quite quickly
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Good move and a decent price.
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Yep good buy at that price, he will only improve under Dean.
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Reassure me... Wolves are wishing they hadn't put a clause in his loan to allow us to sign him. He isn't just a Wolves cast off... I have seen him play and I like him, I'm just trying to decide where to calibrate my optimism meter (I'm a Brummie so it doesn't get any higher than 'fearing the worst'.)
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Happy with this, both in terms of his ability and potential as well as the fact that he's part of the core group from last season so won't need integrating.
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Very good signing. Absolute daylight robbery. What’s the length of the contract?
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A solid deal. We have now secured AEG, Hause, Jota and Wes for a tidy 35m. Which is peanuts. We'll shell out another 20m on Butland I imagine and 15 or so on Mings which takes us to 70m. I have no doubt by the end of the summer we will be close to 130-150m all in and have a very solid squad indeed.
Still need after today
Mings + 1 or 2 CB as we are not sure about Chester
LB at least one top starter, maybe 2 overall as Taylor will get killed out there
CM - Phillips and will be interesting to see how Callum is. But maybe 2 new additions. Needs a DM in there somewhere
ST - one more for sure, ideally 2
Wingers - at least one, maybe 2 so hopefully Benrahma is one of them
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Great news and great price.
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Yep, very pleased with this and I think it could be a 'Gary Cahill' moment for the Wolves.
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Our Hause painted in claret and blue.
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Welcome back Kortney!
Enjoy playing for the best club ever!
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Our Hause in the middle of our team.
Great news. Good player who can only get better under Dean & co. Welcome Kortney.
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More good news. Great stuff.
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I see this guy as a cheap back-up alternative and nothing more. Hopefully he hasn't been bought to be a regular starter for us because he'll get found out in no time.
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I see this guy as a cheap back-up alternative and nothing more. Hopefully he hasn't been bought to be a regular starter for us because he'll get found out in no time.
Based on what? That we only paid £3m?
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I see this guy as a cheap back-up alternative and nothing more. Hopefully he hasn't been bought to be a regular starter for us because he'll get found out in no time.
Bit harsh.I thought our best centre back pairing this season was Mings & Hause. He is young and he'll get better under Dean Smith.
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I see this guy as a cheap back-up alternative and nothing more. Hopefully he hasn't been bought to be a regular starter for us because he'll get found out in no time.
He's better than either Tuanzebe (as an out and out centre back) or Taylor. Sorry mate, I strongly disagree with you.
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I see this guy as a cheap back-up alternative and nothing more. Hopefully he hasn't been bought to be a regular starter for us because he'll get found out in no time.
Based on all the times he didn't get found out last season?
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Very pleased with this development.
Now for Mings 😀
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I see this guy as a cheap back-up alternative and nothing more. Hopefully he hasn't been bought to be a regular starter for us because he'll get found out in no time.
Based on all the times he didn't get found out last season?
NEWSFLASH - Aston Villa promoted from Championship to Premier League.
😂😂
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Great news, after a shaky start he did really well last season and looks to have all the attributes to step up a league. Snip at £3m
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I see this guy as a cheap back-up alternative and nothing more. Hopefully he hasn't been bought to be a regular starter for us because he'll get found out in no time.
Based on all the times he didn't get found out last season?
NEWSFLASH - Aston Villa promoted from Championship to Premier League.
😂😂
Because someone doesn't get found out at a Championship club means they will definitely get found out at a Premier League one?
We better get rid of Grealish and McGinn. We're doomed with those chancers in the squad.
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I'd prefer him to Taylor at left back but he's definitely not as good as Axel was at centre half. Good squad option but still think we will be looking for better options in the middle of defence.
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We need a right-sided cb I'd have thought
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Interesting Wiki facts,
Hause was at Blues as a youngster, then left them after a few months to join Wycombe.
Hause is a grime rapper in his time away from football, using the alias Korts
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I see this guy as a cheap back-up alternative and nothing more. Hopefully he hasn't been bought to be a regular starter for us because he'll get found out in no time.
Based on all the times he didn't get found out last season?
NEWSFLASH - Aston Villa promoted from Championship to Premier League.
😂😂
Because someone doesn't get found out at a Championship club means they will definitely get found out at a Premier League one?
We better get rid of Grealish and McGinn. We're doomed with those chancers in the squad.
No. But it's possible they might.
House has been let go by a Premier League side for - these days - a very small amount of money. Premier League sides don't normally do that, unless they believe someone isn't up to standard.
Let's hope they've got it completely wrong but, if not and it doesn't lead to relegation, it's only £3 million.
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I see this guy as a cheap back-up alternative and nothing more. Hopefully he hasn't been bought to be a regular starter for us because he'll get found out in no time.
Based on all the times he didn't get found out last season?
NEWSFLASH - Aston Villa promoted from Championship to Premier League.
😂😂
Yes, didn't that Dean Smith do well?
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I see this guy as a cheap back-up alternative and nothing more. Hopefully he hasn't been bought to be a regular starter for us because he'll get found out in no time.
He's better than either Tuanzebe (as an out and out centre back) or Taylor. Sorry mate, I strongly disagree with you.
Hause filled in ok at right centre back but was in no way a medium/long term solution there, even at championship level.
We need squad players and he covers a few positions across the back.
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I see this guy as a cheap back-up alternative and nothing more. Hopefully he hasn't been bought to be a regular starter for us because he'll get found out in no time.
Based on all the times he didn't get found out last season?
NEWSFLASH - Aston Villa promoted from Championship to Premier League.
😂😂
Because someone doesn't get found out at a Championship club means they will definitely get found out at a Premier League one?
We better get rid of Grealish and McGinn. We're doomed with those chancers in the squad.
No. But it's possible they might.
House has been let go by a Premier League side for - these days - a very small amount of money. Premier League sides don't normally do that, unless they believe someone isn't up to standard.
Let's hope they've got it completely wrong but, if not and it doesn't lead to relegation, it's only £3 million.
"It's possible" is entirely different to, the rather more definitive "he'll get found out in no time" from resident misery arse Goldie.
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I see this guy as a cheap back-up alternative and nothing more. Hopefully he hasn't been bought to be a regular starter for us because he'll get found out in no time.
Based on all the times he didn't get found out last season?
NEWSFLASH - Aston Villa promoted from Championship to Premier League.
😂😂
Yes, didn't that Dean Smith do well?
Wrong thread? We're talking about Kortney Hause.
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I see this guy as a cheap back-up alternative and nothing more. Hopefully he hasn't been bought to be a regular starter for us because he'll get found out in no time.
Based on all the times he didn't get found out last season?
NEWSFLASH - Aston Villa promoted from Championship to Premier League.
😂😂
Because someone doesn't get found out at a Championship club means they will definitely get found out at a Premier League one?
We better get rid of Grealish and McGinn. We're doomed with those chancers in the squad.
No. But it's possible they might.
House has been let go by a Premier League side for - these days - a very small amount of money. Premier League sides don't normally do that, unless they believe someone isn't up to standard.
Let's hope they've got it completely wrong but, if not and it doesn't lead to relegation, it's only £3 million.
There were a lot of players ahead of him at Wolves and had been injured. They let him go out on loan to get games. We had the sense to agree a fixed amount to buy him at the end of the loan period. If that clause had not been added, I'm sure we would have had to pay a fair bit more for him.
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A good signing based on price and potential but it seems a bit of a stretch that he'll go straight into the first team.
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I see this guy as a cheap back-up alternative and nothing more. Hopefully he hasn't been bought to be a regular starter for us because he'll get found out in no time.
Based on all the times he didn't get found out last season?
NEWSFLASH - Aston Villa promoted from Championship to Premier League.
😂😂
Because someone doesn't get found out at a Championship club means they will definitely get found out at a Premier League one?
We better get rid of Grealish and McGinn. We're doomed with those chancers in the squad.
No. But it's possible they might.
House has been let go by a Premier League side for - these days - a very small amount of money. Premier League sides don't normally do that, unless they believe someone isn't up to standard.
Let's hope they've got it completely wrong but, if not and it doesn't lead to relegation, it's only £3 million.
"It's possible" is entirely different to, the rather more definitive "he'll get found out in no time" from resident misery arse Goldie.
Ah, I see. He did rather put it as a matter of fact, now I've read it again, didn't he!?
I do agree that he's probably been bought in as squad member though. I hope we have better in mind, as a regular starter. I honestly think we'll need better to survive, on what I've seen.
I suppose he might prove me wrong and be outstanding next season. That would be a real bargain.
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I see this guy as a cheap back-up alternative and nothing more. Hopefully he hasn't been bought to be a regular starter for us because he'll get found out in no time.
Based on all the times he didn't get found out last season?
NEWSFLASH - Aston Villa promoted from Championship to Premier League.
😂😂
Because someone doesn't get found out at a Championship club means they will definitely get found out at a Premier League one?
We better get rid of Grealish and McGinn. We're doomed with those chancers in the squad.
No. But it's possible they might.
House has been let go by a Premier League side for - these days - a very small amount of money. Premier League sides don't normally do that, unless they believe someone isn't up to standard.
Let's hope they've got it completely wrong but, if not and it doesn't lead to relegation, it's only £3 million.
There were a lot of players ahead of him at Wolves and had been injured. They let him go out on loan to get games. We had the sense to agree a fixed amount to buy him at the end of the loan period. If that clause had not been added, I'm sure we would have had to pay a fair bit more for him.
Have you got a link to that?
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I see this guy as a cheap back-up alternative and nothing more. Hopefully he hasn't been bought to be a regular starter for us because he'll get found out in no time.
Based on all the times he didn't get found out last season?
NEWSFLASH - Aston Villa promoted from Championship to Premier League.
😂😂
Because someone doesn't get found out at a Championship club means they will definitely get found out at a Premier League one?
We better get rid of Grealish and McGinn. We're doomed with those chancers in the squad.
No. But it's possible they might.
House has been let go by a Premier League side for - these days - a very small amount of money. Premier League sides don't normally do that, unless they believe someone isn't up to standard.
Let's hope they've got it completely wrong but, if not and it doesn't lead to relegation, it's only £3 million.
There were a lot of players ahead of him at Wolves and had been injured. They let him go out on loan to get games. We had the sense to agree a fixed amount to buy him at the end of the loan period. If that clause had not been added, I'm sure we would have had to pay a fair bit more for him.
Have you got a link to that?
To what?
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I see this guy as a cheap back-up alternative and nothing more. Hopefully he hasn't been bought to be a regular starter for us because he'll get found out in no time.
Based on all the times he didn't get found out last season?
NEWSFLASH - Aston Villa promoted from Championship to Premier League.
😂😂
Because someone doesn't get found out at a Championship club means they will definitely get found out at a Premier League one?
We better get rid of Grealish and McGinn. We're doomed with those chancers in the squad.
No. But it's possible they might.
House has been let go by a Premier League side for - these days - a very small amount of money. Premier League sides don't normally do that, unless they believe someone isn't up to standard.
Let's hope they've got it completely wrong but, if not and it doesn't lead to relegation, it's only £3 million.
There were a lot of players ahead of him at Wolves and had been injured. They let him go out on loan to get games. We had the sense to agree a fixed amount to buy him at the end of the loan period. If that clause had not been added, I'm sure we would have had to pay a fair bit more for him.
Have you got a link to that?
To what?
To the fact that the £3 million fee was agreed up front.
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To the fact that the £3 million fee was agreed up front.
Article from January specifically mentions the option to buy.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46786646
The fee isn't stated, but an option to make the deal permanent would be pointless unless the fee is agreed upon beforehand.
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He was solid replacing Mings at Wembley I think he's a steal at 3 million. He could also do a job at left back if needed.
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I see this guy as a cheap back-up alternative and nothing more. Hopefully he hasn't been bought to be a regular starter for us because he'll get found out in no time.
Based on all the times he didn't get found out last season?
NEWSFLASH - Aston Villa promoted from Championship to Premier League.
😂😂
Because someone doesn't get found out at a Championship club means they will definitely get found out at a Premier League one?
We better get rid of Grealish and McGinn. We're doomed with those chancers in the squad.
No. But it's possible they might.
House has been let go by a Premier League side for - these days - a very small amount of money. Premier League sides don't normally do that, unless they believe someone isn't up to standard.
Let's hope they've got it completely wrong but, if not and it doesn't lead to relegation, it's only £3 million.
Isn’t that how any market works? They think he’s worth selling for £3m and we think he’s worth buying for £3m.
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I see this guy as a cheap back-up alternative and nothing more. Hopefully he hasn't been bought to be a regular starter for us because he'll get found out in no time.
Did you watch any games after the Wigan defeat?
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I see this guy as a cheap back-up alternative and nothing more. Hopefully he hasn't been bought to be a regular starter for us because he'll get found out in no time.
Did you watch any games after the Wigan defeat?
Highly unlikely. He had a nightmare start a la Ugo then showed what he is capable of. He was imperious when he replaced the Emperor in the final.
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I'm struggling to understand the negativity on this one. From what I saw, after his first couple of games he wasn't just a capable stand in he was actually very, very solid at both right back and centre half. Maybe his form will dip, but from the majority of his time with us I can't see any reason why he couldn't make a decent fist of playing in the PL.
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He looks decent to me, can’t see any issue with this.
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I'm struggling to understand the negativity on this one. From what I saw, after his first couple of games he wasn't just a capable stand in he was actually very, very solid at both right back and centre half. Maybe his form will dip, but from the majority of his time with us I can't see any reason why he couldn't make a decent fist of playing in the PL.
I agree, but it was left back.
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I'm struggling to understand the negativity on this one. From what I saw, after his first couple of games he wasn't just a capable stand in he was actually very, very solid at both right back and centre half. Maybe his form will dip, but from the majority of his time with us I can't see any reason why he couldn't make a decent fist of playing in the PL.
I agree, but it was left back.
Thanks - too early...!!
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Good player. Like him a lot. Not sure he's suited to LB but can do a job there, much prefer him at centre-half.
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I like him I'm glad he's ours now and for the price we have paid for him I think it's a steal.
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For his age and price it's a great deal, hope he finds a settled postion and kicks on.
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Yeah for that price a great deal
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For his age and price it's a great deal, hope he finds a settled postion and kicks on.
He ended up filling in a couple of positions last year but with full back signings and potential CB ones too, I can’t see him getting a lot of game time unfortunately....hope he doesn’t get too pissed off. He seemed to perform better when getting a little run of games, don’t think that’ll be the case this time around
Feel sorry for him
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For his age and price it's a great deal, hope he finds a settled postion and kicks on.
He ended up filling in a couple of positions last year but with full back signings and potential CB ones too, I can’t see him getting a lot of game time unfortunately....hope he doesn’t get too pissed off. He seemed to perform better when getting a little run of games, don’t think that’ll be the case this time around
Feel sorry for him
Feel sorry for him?? We haven't even had preseason yet, steady on Mystic Meg
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For his age and price it's a great deal, hope he finds a settled postion and kicks on.
He ended up filling in a couple of positions last year but with full back signings and potential CB ones too, I can’t see him getting a lot of game time unfortunately....hope he doesn’t get too pissed off. He seemed to perform better when getting a little run of games, don’t think that’ll be the case this time around
Feel sorry for him
Feel sorry for him?? We haven't even had preseason yet, steady on Mystic Meg
I think we should sell him
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25 mil at least! To Bournemouth I’ve heard
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Hause and Mings for me was our best CB pairing last season, so I’d be more than happy going into the new season with them both and any additional signings as backup.
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A bit worrying that Hause didn't even make the bench today given so many injuries. Hause was excellent against Wolves in the cup. Why does Smith continue to put the inferior Taylor ahead of him on the bench? Hause is a much better defender - and can play Left back or CB.
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Someone said he had the mumps?
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A bit worrying that Hause didn't even make the bench today given so many injuries. Hause was excellent against Wolves in the cup. Why does Smith continue to put the inferior Taylor ahead of him on the bench? Hause is a much better defender - and can play Left back or CB.
DS clearly rates Taylor a great deal higher than most of the fans, including me.
I started going to VP in 1966, and thee have been many instances of his phenomenon. Bradley, Poutney, and Bobby Park were early examples.
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Has there been any word on his non selection today?
I sort of understood when we were going with two defenders on the bench and he went with Konsa and then Taylor as a specialist full back (and also to be fair to Taylor he hadn’t been too bad up to the point that Targett came in). It was certainly strange to see Chester ahead of him today though.
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Maybe as Chester is right-footed so a like-for-like for Engels/Konsa. But for me, Hause is a much better Full back than Taylor, bigger, stronger and faster. What's not to like?
The Burnley goal for Rodriguez is a case in point: Taylor was easily out-muscled for the header.
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I'd rather have Downing at left back than Taylor.
He's bloody awful.
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It's a mystery.
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He must be thinking why he swapped Wolves bench for not even getting on ours. More money and time to dedicate to his passion for music sure, but I'm sure he'd like to play a bit of footy now and then too.
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I'd rather have Downing at left back than Taylor.
He's bloody awful.
Yet he's still by a million miles a better defender than Targett. Taylor can defend but adds little to our attack. Targett adds to our attack but can't defend. Hause can do both. I'd consider giving him a go against Newcastle.
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Targett let go by Southampton says a lot. Taylor is a better defender but the fact that Hause appears to be inspired by Tyrone you can guess where my vote lies.
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I'd rather have Downing at left back than Taylor.
He's bloody awful.
Yet he's still by a million miles a better defender than Targett. Taylor can defend but adds little to our attack. Targett adds to our attack but can't defend. Hause can do both. I'd consider giving him a go against Newcastle.
I understand peoples reservations about both Targett and Taylor but where exactly is the evidence to suggest that Hause is our best left back? He played, what, four games there for us last season and has been exclusively used at centre back since.
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I'd rather have Downing at left back than Taylor.
He's bloody awful.
Yet he's still by a million miles a better defender than Targett. Taylor can defend but adds little to our attack. Targett adds to our attack but can't defend. Hause can do both. I'd consider giving him a go against Newcastle.
I understand peoples reservations about both Targett and Taylor but where exactly is the evidence to suggest that Hause is our best left back? He played, what, four games there for us last season and has been exclusively used at centre back since.
The evidence is he couldn't be any worse and even if it was just 4 appearances, three of them were excellent. Realistically, I can see us signing a new left back but we'll have to wait until the summer.
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I'd rather have Downing at left back than Taylor.
He's bloody awful.
Yet he's still by a million miles a better defender than Targett. Taylor can defend but adds little to our attack. Targett adds to our attack but can't defend. Hause can do both. I'd consider giving him a go against Newcastle.
I understand peoples reservations about both Targett and Taylor but where exactly is the evidence to suggest that Hause is our best left back? He played, what, four games there for us last season and has been exclusively used at centre back since.
The evidence is he couldn't be any worse and even if it was just 4 appearances, three of them were excellent. Realistically, I can see us signing a new left back but we'll have to wait until the summer.
Fair enough. I actually think Targett is reasonably enough for the level that we are currently at (Matt Lowton is a mid table right back for comparison). Like you say, he has added an different element to our attack since coming into the team and I think he had done ok defensively, he certainly played his part in decent performances against Liverpool and Man City.
He was poor on Sunday, but I think that was also largely down to our system leaving him isolated against Traore, who, to be fair, with better decision making/end product would be playing for a very good team.
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I'd rather have Downing at left back than Taylor.
He's bloody awful.
Yet he's still by a million miles a better defender than Targett. Taylor can defend but adds little to our attack. Targett adds to our attack but can't defend. Hause can do both. I'd consider giving him a go against Newcastle.
I understand peoples reservations about both Targett and Taylor but where exactly is the evidence to suggest that Hause is our best left back? He played, what, four games there for us last season and has been exclusively used at centre back since.
The evidence is he couldn't be any worse and even if it was just 4 appearances, three of them were excellent. Realistically, I can see us signing a new left back but we'll have to wait until the summer.
I'm with you Mark, I'd be giving Hause a start. Taylor has been OK defensively but is poor going forward, with the exact opposite being true for Targett. I don't think we can afford players who are so limited at either aspect of the full back role.
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I'm not even convinced Targett is that good going forward, he never follows his pass and looks forward or wants to beat a man, and looks overweight and a bit slow to me for a modern fullback, did we scout him because £11-14m looks a hell of a lot for him right now.
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He won us two points against Brighton so I think he's still in credit.
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It's odd he dosen't make the bench given he's been o.k in the cup, last season and can cover two positions.
Can only think Taylor was o.k for DS last season, didn't let him down at the start of this and so loyalty is repaid by keeping Taylor involved from the bench. Mind you the same applies to AEM and he struggles to make 18 now despite being MOTM v Wolves.
Ultimately though Neil Taylor isn't going to be at this club beyond the summer and Hause should be so I'd rather have him there and would like to see him at LB when Targett isn't fit.
With Chester fit again he's even more down the pecking order, perhaps he'll be loaned out in January to the championship.
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He won us two points against Brighton so I think he's still in credit.
Despite being gash the whole game, we give him credit because he scored? You're not alone in this school of thought, Eamonn.
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He was good at Norwich. Norwich will likely finish 20th though.
My gut feeling on Targett is he'll just fade into another at best unmemorable player as that seems to happen to pretty much all the LBs we've signed in the last decade, they have a good debut or early few games and become a shower of s*** very soon afterwards.
Seems he was fairly rated at Southampton but he couldn't nail down a regular place in what has been a poor team in last 2-3 seasons.
I'm happy with Gulibert on the other side though. He's done fine so far and AEM is decent back up.
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Seems he was fairly rated at Southampton but he couldn't nail down a regular place in what has been a poor team in last 2-3 seasons.
I'm happy with Gulibert on the other side though.
Fairly rated? They were queuing up to drive him to Villa Park. The general concensus was we'd over paid by at least £10m.
Maybe Deano thought, despite his lack of match play and speed, there was a half decent player there that could be developed. Personally, I think Targett is a bit too thick to take advantage of the opportunity and coaching. I hope I'm wrong.
Guilbert on the other hand, seems to be quietly going about his business, working hard and seizing the opportunity with both hands. He'll be around for a few years.
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It’s a bit early to be making a definitive judgment on Targett either way surely?
He has only started six league games. Of which, we have won two (and were wining before he went off against Burnley) and lost against the best two teams in the league. He has had a couple of good games, some ok one and was pretty awful on Sunday. So a fairly mixed bag all in all.
Maybe I’m too generous but think he needs to be judged over quite a few more games before we write him off as needing replacing.
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Jury is still out on Targett for me but in his defense, he got no help from Trez, especially against Traore who clearly had him for pace. Trez is really lazy tracking back, and often lets runners go past him and doesn't respond. I feel Trez also hasn't figured out the high press we employ sometimes. He often presses the wrong person, and leaves a huge gap behind him that someone else has to get pulled out of position to cover.
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Agree, full backs can't do it all by themselves.
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Jury is still out on Targett for me but in his defense, he got no help from Trez, especially against Traore who clearly had him for pace. Trez is really lazy tracking back, and often lets runners go past him and doesn't respond. I feel Trez also hasn't figured out the high press we employ sometimes. He often presses the wrong person, and leaves a huge gap behind him that someone else has to get pulled out of position to cover.
I think the 2nd half of this is the important bit and is pretty much exactly what the problem was on Sunday, AEG did the same thing. I get the feeling that they were told to get high up the pitch and support Wesley in closing down the back 3 and Neves but to try to not let the fullbacks become isolated and because of how Wolves played they couldn't do both so they got stuck in between and did poorly at both jobs. I'm a glutton for punishment and watched the first half again last night and I firmly believe the biggest problem was that too many players didn't know what they supposed to be doing.
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Jury is still out on Targett for me but in his defense, he got no help from Trez, especially against Traore who clearly had him for pace. Trez is really lazy tracking back, and often lets runners go past him and doesn't respond. I feel Trez also hasn't figured out the high press we employ sometimes. He often presses the wrong person, and leaves a huge gap behind him that someone else has to get pulled out of position to cover.
I think the 2nd half of this is the important bit and is pretty much exactly what the problem was on Sunday, AEG did the same thing. I get the feeling that they were told to get high up the pitch and support Wesley in closing down the back 3 and Neves but to try to not let the fullbacks become isolated and because of how Wolves played they couldn't do both so they got stuck in between and did poorly at both jobs. I'm a glutton for punishment and watched the first half again last night and I firmly believe the biggest problem was that too many players didn't know what they supposed to be doing.
Wesley too causes a big problem with this. He's meant to be at the top of the triangle that leads the press, but often seems confused about who to go to or when to go. I've noticed others (SJM mostly) shouting instructions at him when he's made the wrong decision or hasn't lead the press. It's such an easy out ball over the top for oppositions when this happens, because a midfielder or fullback will get in behind where the gap is, and leaves us scrambling to cover the quick transition.
A hard working winger a la Snodgrass would be great in that system.
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... I firmly believe the biggest problem was that too many players didn't know what they supposed to be doing.
My son, a B licence coach, made a similar observation no Sunday: that - with Wolves playing with width - our possession should have been through the central part of the park, where there was more space for us to hurt them.
In the event, we were crap at keeping possession anyway so it probably wasn't that impactful on the outcome.
We didn't seem to have a plan to exert our game on the opposition: we seemd to be there to react to them rather than impose ourselves on them.
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He won us two points against Brighton so I think he's still in credit.
Despite being gash the whole game, we give him credit because he scored? You're not alone in this school of thought, Eamonn.
Well, it's a long time since I've seen any of our left backs do that. It was a great finish from a difficult angle and it being practically the last kick of the match, was wut won it for us (credit to Grealish too of course).
I've not seen enough of him to make a firm judgement but I was surprised and a bit disappointed that we spent so much on him when a better player could have been sourced from abroad. Smacked of it being something MON would have done. But Dean probably placed a premium on his PL experience, something sorely lacking from the squad so I can understand why he went for him.
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Kortney man of the match today. He'll probably get dropped for Saturday! I'd pair Mings (if fit) with Konsa at Watford and put Kortney at left-back intead of Targett. Hause needs to be included full stop!!
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Jack might have an issue with that! Hause was decent though, our best defender and is improving with more minutes.
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Kortney man of the match today. He'll probably get dropped for Saturday! I'd pair Mings (if fit) with Konsa at Watford and put Kortney at left-back intead of Targett. Hause needs to be included full stop!!
This for me too.
I'd argue that Konsa pushed him for MotM. Ironic that it was our reserve pairing.
Like last season, Hause has taken a couple of games to get up to speed. He may not be quite as effective going forward as Target but he is more defensively solid & lets face facts, Target was poor again today and contributed very little in the final 3rd.
Elmo, Konsa, Mings, Hause across the back on Saturday for me.
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There was one moment in the first half where Hause won the ball in the left back position then pinged a perfect 40 yard pass to a team mate. Got all the crowd up on theirs feet near me, great play.
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There was one moment in the first half where Hause won the ball in the left back position then pinged a perfect 40 yard pass to a team mate. Got all the crowd up on theirs feet near me, great play.
Yes the cross field ball to Elmo if I’m not mistaken. He looked very comfortable out there today.
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Trouble is, for whatever reason, DS doesn't seem to rate him. He'd rather stick with the likes of Taylor and Targett at LB. Don't forget he hasn"t even been on the bench most of this season.
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He was excellent today.
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He was excellent today.
Yes and I would play him left back when Mings comes back.
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proper sound bloke as well. Really hope he does well and keeps his place.
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Hause cost £3m and Wesley £22m?? Insane!
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I linked to a tweet from the main reporter on Wolves at the Express and Star at the the time of his transfer. He said he was a very good player who had been unlucky at Wolves.
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I agree and don’t understand why we spent money on Targett in the summer when he did really well at LB last season.
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I think we absolutely needed a proper LB. And £14m should have got us one much, much better than Matt Targett who is bang average. Someone you toss into the 3rd round of a cup game. Not a PL starter.
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Targett couldn't get near their first eleven and we paid 12 million... ridiculous.
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I'm beginning to doubt Pitarch.
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Seemingly won everything in the air today. Good performance
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House was as good today as he was bad last Saturday so fair play to him for making a good recovery.
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And if he can play at left back stick him there as Targett is shite at the moment.
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I'm beginning to doubt Pitarch.
Me too.
He has a long term plan, but PL survival is a short term issue.
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I imagine Targett was more of a Smith signing than Pitarch.
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If so, best not let Dean take control of the Piggy Bank again. I rate Hause, thought he looked very secure at left back last season and would move him there again as soon as Mings is back.
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Was excellent yesterday. My motm
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If so, best not let Dean take control of the Piggy Bank again. I rate Hause, thought he looked very secure at left back last season and would move him there again as soon as Mings is back.
This, all day long. He's big, quick, decent passing and movement, good in the air and would give us another option in the box at corners. Far better player than either Targett or Taylor. He was excellent yesterday, easily our best defender.
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Thought he did well yesterday teamed up well with Konsa esoecially with that combined effort to snub out Pukki.
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I'm beginning to doubt Pitarch.
Beginning? Our best signings were sod all to do with him. His "recommendations" are pretty poor at this level. Deano deserves better than this guy swanning around getting paid an absolute fortune, stymieing him with the likes of Wes, Nakamba and Trezeguet.
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I'm beginning to doubt Pitarch.
Beginning? Our best signings were sod all to do with him. His "recommendations" are pretty poor at this level. Deano deserves better than this guy swanning around getting paid an absolute fortune, stymieing him with the likes of Wes, Nakamba and Trezeguet.
Well said.
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I'm beginning to doubt Pitarch.
Beginning? Our best signings were sod all to do with him. His "recommendations" are pretty poor at this level. Deano deserves better than this guy swanning around getting paid an absolute fortune, stymieing him with the likes of Wes, Nakamba and Trezeguet.
Well said.
Too early to judge for me. The signings brought in the year we went down took a while to adapt but have gone on to have decent careers.
Ayew, Traore, Veretout and Gueye come to mind.
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Not sure Pitarch was there then though was he? I thought he only came in since the new blokes shoved Xia aside?
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Pitarch definitely wasn't here when we signed all the French players. That was Paddy Riley.
Edit: don't think that's what Gar was getting at though.
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Fair enough, misunderstanding.
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I'm beginning to doubt Pitarch.
Beginning? Our best signings were sod all to do with him. His "recommendations" are pretty poor at this level. Deano deserves better than this guy swanning around getting paid an absolute fortune, stymieing him with the likes of Wes, Nakamba and Trezeguet.
Well said.
Too early to judge for me. The signings brought in the year we went down took a while to adapt but have gone on to have decent careers.
Ayew, Traore, Veretout and Gueye come to mind.
Not too early though really is it? We're half a season in, and none of them have shown it. You'd expect one or two to.
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How about Hause, Mings and Konsa?
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Pitarch definitely wasn't here when we signed all the French players. That was Paddy Riley.
Edit: don't think that's what Gar was getting at though.
Yes drawing a parallel between our signings last summer and that summer.
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We signed players with an average value ifb£10m this summer. Hause was cheap.
Overall £10m doesn't buy much these days at all. The game has changed a lot since we were last up here.
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We signed players with an average value ifb£10m this summer. Hause was cheap.
Overall £10m doesn't buy much these days at all. The game has changed a lot since we were last up here.
Exactly. A lot has been made of how much we spent last summer, but we didn't really have much of a choice given so many players left. We were almost starting from scratch.
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Where do you stand on this fella. Overall I can see the attributes but he makes me very nervous. Distribution being erratic
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Very very clumsy. I think he needs to be taken out of the team
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A backup player at the moment in the squad due to change of system and Engels and Chester not fully fit.
A player I think who will be a squad player next year if we stay up as cover for left back and centre half and probably a bit more involved if the dreaded happens.
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I was a big fan of his last season as he created an excellent solid partnership with Mings, but unfortunately he is fast becoming the epitome of our defence over the last few years...mistake after mistake after mistake. He’s a car crash at the moment based on his last few performances, so he either needs to up his game or be dropped.
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For me, it's 2 bad performances (the last 2 games) and one of those was v Man City where most played poorly.
He is what he is and was never going to be Bobby Moore. However, he brings strength and height and has a very high stat regarding duals won. We are far more stable in defence and look a lot safer defending set pieces with Hause there. Let's get the defence right before worrying about distribution. Best option available for me at present, especially being left footed.
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I like him. Plenty of obvious attributes as Brassneck mentioned, still young enough to get better, left-footed and cover in two positions. Probably will make the odd mistake in his first season in the Premier League or even a run of them. For £3m he's a bargain and will only get better.
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For me, it's 2 bad performances (the last 2 games) and one of those was v Man City where most played poorly.
He is what he is and was never going to be Bobby Moore. However, he brings strength and height and has a very high stat regarding duals won. We are far more stable in defence and look a lot safer defending set pieces with Hause there. Let's get the defence right before worrying about distribution. Best option available for me at present, especially being left footed.
Should be ideal v Watford and the likes of Deeney but centre halves in a back three need to be a lot more comfortable on the ball. Particularly given our problems in midfield. Hause is not remotely comfortable stepping into midfield with the ball.
Problem is Engels is far too slow for the RCB position but could be an option in the middle to release Mings to the left. I don't think Smith has much faith in Chester, surely he would have been given a chance by now if he did.
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I like him generally, and think as he plays more he will improve. If we drop, him and Engels could be a good pairing, as could he and Konsa. Hes not a starter every week in the prem, nor is Konsa. I think we are a really good defender light playing this formation, but it is not as pressing as other areas. Well worth keeping as a squad player though. In a 4-3-3 I prefer him to Taylor at left back too.
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For me, it's 2 bad performances (the last 2 games) and one of those was v Man City where most played poorly.
He is what he is and was never going to be Bobby Moore. However, he brings strength and height and has a very high stat regarding duals won. We are far more stable in defence and look a lot safer defending set pieces with Hause there. Let's get the defence right before worrying about distribution. Best option available for me at present, especially being left footed.
Should be ideal v Watford and the likes of Deeney but centre halves in a back three need to be a lot more comfortable on the ball. Particularly given our problems in midfield. Hause is not remotely comfortable stepping into midfield with the ball.
Problem is Engels is far too slow for the RCB position but could be an option in the middle to release Mings to the left. I don't think Smith has much faith in Chester, surely he would have been given a chance by now if he did.
I don't think Engels is as slow as people seem to think he is. It's a bit of an odd article but the attached has him as having been recorded as one of the quickets players in the league this season. I suspect it's a bullshit way of measuring, but even so he can't be that slow to even be in the mix?
https://www.fourfourtwo.com/news/revealed-six-fastest-players-premier-league
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For me, it's 2 bad performances (the last 2 games) and one of those was v Man City where most played poorly.
He is what he is and was never going to be Bobby Moore. However, he brings strength and height and has a very high stat regarding duals won. We are far more stable in defence and look a lot safer defending set pieces with Hause there. Let's get the defence right before worrying about distribution. Best option available for me at present, especially being left footed.
Should be ideal v Watford and the likes of Deeney but centre halves in a back three need to be a lot more comfortable on the ball. Particularly given our problems in midfield. Hause is not remotely comfortable stepping into midfield with the ball.
Problem is Engels is far too slow for the RCB position but could be an option in the middle to release Mings to the left. I don't think Smith has much faith in Chester, surely he would have been given a chance by now if he did.
I don't think Engels is as slow as people seem to think he is. It's a bit of an odd article but the attached has him as having been recorded as one of the quickets players in the league this season. I suspect it's a bullshit way of measuring, but even so he can't be that slow to even be in the mix?
https://www.fourfourtwo.com/news/revealed-six-fastest-players-premier-league
The goal conceded against Leicester? was shocking. I think it was our very own Dave Woodhall who described Engles as if he were running through treacle or something similar.
Besides, Mings is doing great in that position and why would you want to shift two thirds of the defence around just because Hause hasn't distributed well in his previous 2 games?
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I was only commenting on the speed thing. I'm thinking he was carrying a knock against Southampton.
I wasn't suggesting he play in Mings role, just commenting he may not be too slow as right centre back if required.
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The goal conceded against Leicester? was shocking. I think it was our very own Dave Woodhall who described Engles as if he were running through treacle or something similar.
"Southampton’s first was the result of Bjorn Engels seeming to be running through treacle rather than on grass"
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A superb performance today and since he was recalled in Konsa's absence. A big factor in keeping a clean sheet.
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He's been great since getting back in. That's what competition for places shuld be about. If he can stay fit he could play the rest of the season.
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Tremendous today. Really shaping up to be a proper player.
Wow, we could have half the England team at this rate ....
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Tremendous today. Really shaping up to be a proper player.
Wow, we could have half the England team at this rate ....
He's been fantastic since getting back into the team through Ezris' injury, dominant in the air looks a threat at set pieces and is reading the game well. May take some shifting if Ezri and Kortney perform well in the next game.
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Big couple of games coming up for Kortney. I would say if he plays well against Chelsea, and Konsa likewise keeps his excellent form up this season, Mings has his work cut out getting back in. Which as far as competition, is good. I would hope too, it just gives Tyrone a little nudge to improve his focus and occasional brain farts he still has. Though Tyrone it should be said, has improved this season along with most of the side. He is the big name at the back though, so he has the biggest expectation.
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I don't think Mings has improved much, 80% of the time he's a really good defender, but he has very regular lapses in concentration, it's practically every game.
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Big couple of games coming up for Kortney. I would say if he plays well against Chelsea, and Konsa likewise keeps his excellent form up this season, Mings has his work cut out getting back in. Which as far as competition, is good. I would hope too, it just gives Tyrone a little nudge to improve his focus and occasional brain farts he still has. Though Tyrone it should be said, has improved this season along with most of the side. He is the big name at the back though, so he has the biggest expectation.
Certainly agree with your post SuperTom
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Risso, fully agree, Tyrone has so much goodwill built up, and he is a top player and bloke, but he needs to sort his aberrations out. Which seems to be about one a match. Matt Targett has sorted himself, he needs to. But I still think he is a world class defender who sometimes gets a bit bored!
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I don't think Mings has improved much, 80% of the time he's a really good defender, but he has very regular lapses in concentration, it's practically every game.
Yes, I think Mings is invaluable for his leadership, but otherwise he’s not the best central defender at the club. In fact the jury’s probably out on whether he’s one of the best two.
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Not that it should matter but Ty's penchant for chewing gum open-mouyhed and his perma look of nonchalance makes it all the more galling when he drops his gamely clanger.
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3 clean sheets and a goal from his 3 games this season.
Not bad for a backup
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Doing well at the back, and always looks a handful in the opposition's box aswell
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Doing well at the back, and always looks a handful in the opposition's box aswell
He is excellent in the air, always has been. Good character too. Solid.
I expect Tammy will test him a hell of a lot more next day out, mind.
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Well done again Sir 👍
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Another good game. Passing isn't the strongest point of his game, but concentration and keeping it tight at the back certainly are.
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Deserves his acolades, he would head a fucking comet in our box.
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Deserves his acolades, he would head a fucking comet in our box.
Ha! As I just said on the Match thread, for all his poor distribution he more than made up for it with his heading. Chelsea put a lot of crosses into the box and 9 times out of ten he was on the end of it. Great defending.
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Deserves his acolades, he would head a fucking comet in our box.
Ha! As I just said on the Match thread, for all his poor distribution he more than made up for it with his heading. Chelsea put a lot of crosses into the box and 9 times out of ten he was on the end of it. Great defending.
We ended up not having a choice, but you could certainly argue that today was the perfect game for him over Mings
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Absolutely.
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Deserves his acolades, he would head a fucking comet in our box.
Ha! As I just said on the Match thread, for all his poor distribution he more than made up for it with his heading. Chelsea put a lot of crosses into the box and 9 times out of ten he was on the end of it. Great defending.
We ended up not having a choice, but you could certainly argue that today was the perfect game for him over Mings
Is that games where you don't want your central defenders to get caught with the ball and give the opposition a goal-scoring chance?!
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Did very well defensively but his distribution was let’s be generous and say agricultural. This is where Mings has to come back in for me as he has that in his locker. Hause is a great back up though.
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Did very well defensively but his distribution was let’s be generous and say agricultural. This is where Mings has to come back in for me as he has that in his locker. Hause is a great back up though.
Agreed. It is true that Mings does drop the odd mistake here and there which can lead to chances but his forward passing is what the other two lack. I thought we suffered in that regard today with too many turnovers.
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Did very well defensively but his distribution was let’s be generous and say agricultural. This is where Mings has to come back in for me as he has that in his locker. Hause is a great back up though.
Agreed. It is true that Mings does drop the odd mistake here and there which can lead to chances but his forward passing is what the other two lack. I thought we suffered in that regard today with too many turnovers.
Mings isn't great in the air either, Hause wins everything
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Did very well defensively but his distribution was let’s be generous and say agricultural. This is where Mings has to come back in for me as he has that in his locker. Hause is a great back up though.
Agreed. It is true that Mings does drop the odd mistake here and there which can lead to chances but his forward passing is what the other two lack. I thought we suffered in that regard today with too many turnovers.
I'd settle for Hause just playing the ball to either Luiz or McGinn if it means we don't have to watch Mings titting about giving away chances.
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Well mings wilk be on bench next game as neither konsa or hause should be dropped
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Played really well. Should have buried that header first half though.
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Did very well defensively but his distribution was let’s be generous and say agricultural. This is where Mings has to come back in for me as he has that in his locker. Hause is a great back up though.
Agreed. It is true that Mings does drop the odd mistake here and there which can lead to chances but his forward passing is what the other two lack. I thought we suffered in that regard today with too many turnovers.
Mings isn't great in the air either, Hause wins everything
To be fair to Tyrone fbref has him down as winning 80% of his aerial duels this season, which is also 6th in the league, just shy of Hause on 80.6%. Ezri is only on 62.7% for reference.
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No way on earth should Hause be dropped. He's come in and done really well over a number of games and now it should be up to Mings to try to force his way back in.
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No way on earth should Hause be dropped. He's come in and done really well over a number of games and now it should be up to Mings to try to force his way back in.
I get what you're saying defensively for sure, I really like Hause in the air and Konsa's positional sense is exceptional. I just see Mings as very important to the way we play going forwards, especially down that left hand side.
The fact that Mings had completed 43 progressive passes while Hause and Konsa had only completed 10 combined before today says a lot I think. Mings' passing is one of the most underrated parts of our side in my opinion. His ability to play the ball at pace through the lines to players on the half turn or into the channels to Watkins is a big asset and helps us progress up the pitch. I thought some of Hause's wayward passes today turned over possession too cheaply and invited Chelsea onto us again which contributed to a slightly disjointed performance.
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Good and strong defender, seems to really enjoy defending as an art and was commanding.
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I like Hause, think defensively he has been sound. But you can see where we've missed Mings and his better ability to move the game on.
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I like Hause, think defensively he has been sound. But you can see where we've missed Mings and his better ability to move the game on.
Eh? We scored two goals against Palace after he got sent off! And we created 10 chances today against a good Chelsea side. We certainly haven't missed his brain farts like he had against Leeds and Brighton.
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I didn't think we were fluid at all in our distribution from the back and only Mings has the passing range to bypass the midfield with a quick transition down the left. Twice House was ponderous on the ball and eventually gave it away cheaply.
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I can only fault Hause for his distribution. Defensively he’s really sound but he lacks the ability that Mings has to find a forward or hit an area where a forward can run into.
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Hause has really lifted his game andshould keep his place on merit.
On this seasons form Mings is not as good a player as either Konsa or Hause, he should definitely not waltz straight back into the team. A spell on the sidelines might make him think a little about working on cutting out the sloppy parts of his game that prevent him from being an excellent defender. As is he reminds me of Richard Dunne (great for 95% of a game but the 5% is a red card or goal gifted to the opponent all too often).
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At the very least, Hause is a more than able deputy to come in at centre half when Mings or Konsa is injured or suspended.
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I like Hause, think defensively he has been sound. But you can see where we've missed Mings and his better ability to move the game on.
Eh? We scored two goals against Palace after he got sent off! And we created 10 chances today against a good Chelsea side. We certainly haven't missed his brain farts like he had against Leeds and Brighton.
Big call for Deano against Utd. Does he retain Hause or bring back Mings? I think he will go with the latter
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I can only fault Hause for his distribution. Defensively he’s really sound but he lacks the ability that Mings has to find a forward or hit an area where a forward can run into.
I agree Bren, it’s his one weakness and good teams/ coaches will exploit it by trying to press to ensure he is generally the one bringing the ball out which will give them a 5050 chance of getting the ball back.
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I can only fault Hause for his distribution. Defensively he’s really sound but he lacks the ability that Mings has to find a forward or hit an area where a forward can run into.
I agree Bren, it’s his one weakness and good teams/ coaches will exploit it by trying to press to ensure he is generally the one bringing the ball out which will give them a 5050 chance of getting the ball back.
Well if they have been exploiting it, it hasn't worked so far. Unlike exploiting Mings, which definitely has.
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What did we pay for him, £3m? He’s now a Premier League centre half, his value is 5 or 6 times that now at least.
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I can only fault Hause for his distribution. Defensively he’s really sound but he lacks the ability that Mings has to find a forward or hit an area where a forward can run into.
Is Mings all that great on the ball either? Better than Hause for sure but he dawdles on the ball far too long for me.
Unfortunately for Hause, I do think Smith will bring Mings straight back in.
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I can only fault Hause for his distribution. Defensively he’s really sound but he lacks the ability that Mings has to find a forward or hit an area where a forward can run into.
Is Mings all that great on the ball either? Better than Hause for sure but he dawdles on the ball far too long for me.
Unfortunately for Hause, I do think Smith will bring Mings straight back in.
The long balls he plays down the left to find the runs from McGinn have been a real feature of this season. He does occasionally dither if the pass isn’t on but generally retains possession. It’s a great position to be in having genuine competition for places as a few weeks ago I didn’t think Hause had it in him.
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I think you have to be deliberately ignoring the many times Mings has played passes down the wing, probably to justify slagging him off, to suggest it isn't a feature of his play and that it wasn't missed yesterday.
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I think you have to be deliberately ignoring the many times Mings has played passes down the wing, probably to justify slagging him off, to suggest it isn't a feature of his play and that it wasn't missed yesterday.
There was a stat the other day that showed he’d made about 4x as many key passes as Konsa and Hause put together.
I get bored of the stick Mings gets, let’s just be happy that we have at least 3 very capable centre halves.
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I think you have to be deliberately ignoring the many times Mings has played passes down the wing, probably to justify slagging him off, to suggest it isn't a feature of his play and that it wasn't missed yesterday.
There was a stat the other day that showed he’d made about 4x as many key passes as Konsa and Hause put together.
I get bored of the stick Mings gets, let’s just be happy that we have at least 3 very capable centre halves.
it wouldn't surprise me, he plays a hell of a lot of passes into Jack in the 'inside left' channel that start us on an attack. Yes he makes a few mistakes but a lot of them are massively exaggerated and some comments, such as one accusing him of earning his 2nd yellow by trying to overplay, don't even resemble reality.
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Anyway, the excellent form of Hause may help with another potential issue, namely cover for Matt Targett.
I think we could do a lot worse than use Mings in that position if needed now we know we can trust Hause.
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I like Hause, think defensively he has been sound. But you can see where we've missed Mings and his better ability to move the game on.
Eh? We scored two goals against Palace after he got sent off! And we created 10 chances today against a good Chelsea side. We certainly haven't missed his brain farts like he had against Leeds and Brighton.
Luckily yesterday we had Jack in there with the brain fart to make up for it. Maybe it’s to keep Martinez on his toes once in a while.
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Completely agree about the distribution from the back. Hause has been excellent since he has come in, but he doesn't have the ability of Mings to find Watkins with those balls down the inside-left channel. He tried a couple of times yesterday, but just gave the ball straight to the opposition.
Apart from that, he's been rock solid and is the best defender in the air we have at the club. He'll be unlucky to step down to the bench if he does next match. Good to have the options now though.
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He’s been excellent. Well done Kourtney!
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He's certainly proving his worth, and wherever he ends up it looks like he's got a Premier League career ahead of him which is a great achievement.
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I think we could do a lot worse than use Mings in that position if needed now we know we can trust Hause.
Agreed. For left back cover we're safe as Hauses.
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Noticed Kortney has been missing from the bench the last two games? Anyone know the reason?
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Injured his foot apparently.
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Injured his foot apparently.
Giving Mings a kick up the backside?
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Out for another 4-6 weeks according to Smith.
Let's hope Mings and Konsa don't do anything silly.
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MOTDx: Aston Villa defender Kortney Hause takes on Leeds fan Graft's Rap Game UK challenge - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/57193841
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MOTDx: Aston Villa defender Kortney Hause takes on Leeds fan Graft's Rap Game UK challenge - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/57193841
Yes!
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MOTDx: Aston Villa defender Kortney Hause takes on Leeds fan Graft's Rap Game UK challenge - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/57193841
Haha. Bad start, got better as he went along. Like his Villa career.
I don’t think we’ll be stressing about him being distracted by rap stardom.
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"I don't like golf." You'll do for me, Kortney.
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Class. Was waiting for the Villa references and he didn't let us down. Music >Golf all day, bro'.
Maybe Percy's son and Hause can get a collab going.
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MOTDx: Aston Villa defender Kortney Hause takes on Leeds fan Graft's Rap Game UK challenge - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/57193841
Haha. Bad start, got better as he went along. Like his Villa career.
I don’t think we’ll be stressing about him being distracted by rap stardom.
That's a shame as he'd have a good name for a rapper.
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Mr Terry clearly has made no mark, well done KH
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Brilliant brilliant squad player.
We need more of those.
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Comically one-footed but great presence and ability in the air.
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Comically one-footed but great presence and ability in the air.
His one foot has started to look, dare I say, cultured.
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Absolutely superb today. The first 20 minutes the ball was a magnet to his head. He’s arrived at a point where he is never a liability when he plays. One of the top defenders in England in the air.
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To have squad players like Kortney and Marv who can come in and be so solid for us is fantastic.
Hause has been out with one thing or another for so long, yet he slots and and looks completely at home in that back four.
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He’s superb. As good a 3rd choice central defender as you’ll get. If all our back ups get to his level we’ll be doing very well.
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I still have a soft spot for Engels and would like him to get a run at some stage. We'd probably have to be in the Europa Vauxhall Conference for that to happen, though.
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I still have a soft spot for Engels and would like him to get a run at some stage. We'd probably have to be in the Europa Vauxhall Conference for that to happen, though.
I'd be amazed if he was still here next season. There's clearly something not right between him and Smith so best for all parties that he just moves on. Shame, as in the early part of last season he looked really good, but I don't think I'll ever forgive him for that fuck up against Spurs.
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Amazing that he was a few inches from more than making-up for it a week later at Wembley.
There was a good interview he gave Belgian press, (lifted/translated by I think the Express & Star,) last week. He said he feels very at home here (yes... many on £x'000 a week might well do) but genuinely seems to have affinity with the club/area. He has a young family and his eldest has settled into school in Birmingham etc. He also seemed particularly shook by the injury Wesley suffered.
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Hause hasn't put a foot wrong when called upon this season.
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So Hause is in the team vs West Ham.
Will be part of the back four left hand side left footed.
I predicted he be in but was for expense of Targett not Mings
Glad he's in solid.
Every faith he can handle Antonio
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I like Hause and hope he does well today, though I do find it odd that last week v Arsenal, and before that v Wolves, he was considered third choice behind both Mings and Tuanzebe - this week he's selected in place of both of them.
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Was involved in car crash. Totalled his 180k lambo by crashing it close to a school in aston.
Luckily he wasnt injured and no one else was hit.
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Was involved in car crash. Totalled his 180k lambo by crashing it close to a school in aston.
Luckily he wasnt injured and no one else was hit.
£180k?! How much are we paying him?! He's a back-up defender. The world's gone mad. I've just sold a Ford Fiesta and I get/have to do my job every time! Most days. If it suits me.
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Was involved in car crash. Totalled his 180k lambo by crashing it close to a school in aston.
Luckily he wasnt injured and no one else was hit.
£180k?! How much are we paying him?! He's a back-up defender. The world's gone mad. I've just sold a Ford Fiesta and I get/have to do my job every time! Most days. If it suits me.
I was thinking that myself!
Here's a pic of his car at the scene
(https://i.ibb.co/WtbktNC/20211202-221444.jpg) (https://ibb.co/WtbktNC)
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Oof.
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Was involved in car crash. Totalled his 180k lambo by crashing it close to a school in aston.
Luckily he wasnt injured and no one else was hit.
£180k?! How much are we paying him?! He's a back-up defender. The world's gone mad. I've just sold a Ford Fiesta and I get/have to do my job every time! Most days. If it suits me.
He's a Premier League defender. That's probably what, 6 - 9 weeks pay?
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£180k?! How much are we paying him?! He's a back-up defender. The world's gone mad. I've just sold a Ford Fiesta and I get/have to do my job every time! Most days. If it suits me.
He's a Premier League defender. That's probably what, 6 - 9 weeks pay?
I'm not surprised or outraged that he has a 180k Lambo, more so that it's an SUV.
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Was involved in car crash. Totalled his 180k lambo by crashing it close to a school in aston.
Luckily he wasnt injured and no one else was hit.
£180k?! How much are we paying him?! He's a back-up defender. The world's gone mad. I've just sold a Ford Fiesta and I get/have to do my job every time! Most days. If it suits me.
He's a Premier League defender. That's probably what, 6 - 9 weeks pay?
I'm a world class media shirker. Where's the justice?!
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Was he at fault? Presumably a ban will follow.
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Was he at fault? Presumably a ban will follow.
It certainly wasn't the railings' fault. Although I gather it's pretty cold/icy over there?
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£180k?! How much are we paying him?! He's a back-up defender. The world's gone mad. I've just sold a Ford Fiesta and I get/have to do my job every time! Most days. If it suits me.
He's a Premier League defender. That's probably what, 6 - 9 weeks pay?
I'm not surprised or outraged that he has a 180k Lambo, more so that it's an SUV.
Mings has got the same one.
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£180k?! How much are we paying him?! He's a back-up defender. The world's gone mad. I've just sold a Ford Fiesta and I get/have to do my job every time! Most days. If it suits me.
He's a Premier League defender. That's probably what, 6 - 9 weeks pay?
I'm not surprised or outraged that he has a 180k Lambo, more so that it's an SUV.
Mings has got the same one.
When Steve McManaman played for Real Madrid he drove a VW Beetle. I respect that so much more than any medals he might have won.
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£180k?! How much are we paying him?! He's a back-up defender. The world's gone mad. I've just sold a Ford Fiesta and I get/have to do my job every time! Most days. If it suits me.
He's a Premier League defender. That's probably what, 6 - 9 weeks pay?
I'm not surprised or outraged that he has a 180k Lambo, more so that it's an SUV.
Mings has got the same one.
When Steve McManaman played for Real Madrid he drove a VW Beetle. I respect that so much more than any medals he might have won.
Sorry to shatter your dreams Pads:
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2001/mar/04/newsstory.sport
It was his girlfriend’s car, he had a BMW.
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Nice read that. I always liked McManaman
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£180k?! How much are we paying him?! He's a back-up defender. The world's gone mad. I've just sold a Ford Fiesta and I get/have to do my job every time! Most days. If it suits me.
He's a Premier League defender. That's probably what, 6 - 9 weeks pay?
I'm not surprised or outraged that he has a 180k Lambo, more so that it's an SUV.
Mings has got the same one.
When Steve McManaman played for Real Madrid he drove a VW Beetle. I respect that so much more than any medals he might have won.
I think Klinsman drove a battered old Beetle when he was at Spurs.
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Think Kante uses an electric scooter ;D
edit: apparently upgraded to a Mini now.
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£180k?! How much are we paying him?! He's a back-up defender. The world's gone mad. I've just sold a Ford Fiesta and I get/have to do my job every time! Most days. If it suits me.
He's a Premier League defender. That's probably what, 6 - 9 weeks pay?
I'm not surprised or outraged that he has a 180k Lambo, more so that it's an SUV.
Mings has got the same one.
When Steve McManaman played for Real Madrid he drove a VW Beetle. I respect that so much more than any medals he might have won.
Sorry to shatter your dreams Pads:
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2001/mar/04/newsstory.sport
It was his girlfriend’s car, he had a BMW.
Mate, it's all on-brand: I Am Always Wrong. It's just good PR.
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Oops! https://www.benchwarmers.ie/premier-league-ace-school-crash/243485/
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I believe film director Ron Howard still has his first car, a VW Beetle which he still uses. Notwithstanding all his other top range motors.
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Was involved in car crash. Totalled his 180k lambo by crashing it close to a school in aston.
Luckily he wasnt injured and no one else was hit.
£180k?! How much are we paying him?! He's a back-up defender. The world's gone mad. I've just sold a Ford Fiesta and I get/have to do my job every time! Most days. If it suits me.
I was thinking that myself!
Here's a pic of his car at the scene
(https://i.ibb.co/WtbktNC/20211202-221444.jpg) (https://ibb.co/WtbktNC)
I always thought driving in flip flops was never a great idea
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On the plus side, saw this tweet which I thought was very, very funny:
https://twitter.com/rad_nauseam/status/1466520433377914886?s=20
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Very good.
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Ha ha, great tweet!
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Oops! https://www.benchwarmers.ie/premier-league-ace-school-crash/243485/
“Premier League Ace” - that’s generous
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Oops! https://www.benchwarmers.ie/premier-league-ace-school-crash/243485/
“Premier League Ace” - that’s generous
He was more than that for the winner at Old Trafford.
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Was he at fault? Presumably a ban will follow.
If it was Mings in his he'd definitely be at fault.
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Sorry but yesterday showed why he has limited game time. He hesitated for second goal and that cost us. Mings would have hoofed that into space.
Keep him around until summer then release him as he isnt good enough at this level
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hes good in the air .on the ground not so.
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It is extremely difficult to not play for weeks and then expect to be up to standard.
He did what Mings did last week, he stood and watched a player get a free hit on goal.
One of the most basic defending is to always be goalside of the attacker.
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With Tuanzebe gone he's now next choice in if Mings and Ezri are injured or suspended. It's a pity he's so shit with the ball at his feet though.
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I celebrated like a mad thing when he scored against Man United
and he’s performed at a decent level at times
But this will sound harsh but I’ve never taken him seriously as a Premier League footballer
I didn’t think he was good enough when we were in the championship never mind the top league
For me it beggars belief that he is our first choice back up at centre half he simply does not have any ball skills he can’t control the ball he literally falls over it at times and you can forget about him trying to play out from the back
Sorry to say this because he seems a decent lad but for me He’s right up there as being one of the worst central defenders I’ve ever seen at Villa
I still loved his goal against Man United though just because I don’t think he’s a good footballer doesn’t stop me celebrating a Villa goal no matter who scores
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I celebrated like a mad thing when he scored against Man United
and he’s performed at a decent level at times
But this will sound harsh but I’ve never taken him seriously as a Premier League footballer
I didn’t think he was good enough when we were in the championship never mind the top league
For me it beggars belief that he is our first choice back up at centre half he simply does not have any ball skills he can’t control the ball he literally falls over it at times and you can forget about him trying to play out from the back
Sorry to say this because he seems a decent lad but for me He’s right up there as being one of the worst central defenders I’ve ever seen at Villa
I still loved his goal against Man United though just because I don’t think he’s a good footballer doesn’t stop me celebrating a Villa goal no matter who scores
Agreed on his limitations with the ball but Hause is far from one of the worst central defenders at Villa. He is an absolute monster in the air and has been a very good squad player for us across two divisions. Understandably rusty at the weekend and likely the championship would be a better fit for him. He's Mings backup and I'm not sure we would get much better to be fourth choice CB.
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What about that horrendous back pass to Emi that could easily have been an Own Goal had Emi not been alert? That shouldn’t happen at any level let alone this. He will for ever be remembered for the Goal V Man U but most of his contribution will be seen as adequate or less than.
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Vs Man Utd
Came on right side of defence
Solid and been working on his passing as sprayed a few delightful passes out wide to Digne I think only once he kicked it out.
Defended well and holds the area and space able to clear from corners imposing his defensive presence aaerially.
Kept Cavanni at bay and quiet.
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Agreed, thought he was excellent.
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I also thought he played well. When the cameras showed him warming up you could see what an athlete he is (mainly due to those leggings that they wear!)
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i worry about him in possession, but he did well today and one pass was drilled over to the left superbly
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Yeah possession is his weakness. It’s something I’m sure he works on, but equally the team should be able to shield him a fair bit from it.
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Thought he did really well.
You could see he’s not comfortable on the right, though.
3 out of 4 cross field passes to Digne were unbelievably good, and great control by the receiver, too
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Surprised me with his distribution last night.
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Digne was in loads of space for most of the game but Konsa and Mings weren't brave enough to take on the pass. Hause did at the first attempt and it was a stunning ball. Even that moment alone seemed to give us a bit more purpose and belief, with Mings bringing it out more after that and us generally murdering them down the left. I think he is very underrated for us personally, hopefully we can tie him down to a new deal soon.
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That 40 yard pass was like an arrow. As good a pass as you'll see all season.
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He did well considering he was on the right of the centre back positions. Not natural as he kept switching the ball to his favoured left foot. A couple of great headed clearances from crosses. He is strong in the air and rarely gets beaten. We must bring in a right-footed CB to bring the numbers back up to 4 ' SG stated that likes 4 CB's in case of injuries. Any word yet on Konsa's hip?
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Not comfortable on the right but I think he’s an excellent back up. Couple of superb long balls from him too. A very steady and reliable player.
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He’s a very reliable solid option to have and that pass Risso mentioned was exquisite.
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Couldn't believe he picked out Digne(?) with that zinger of a ball. He was clearly emboldened by it as he tried it again a few minutes later but missed his target. One criticism of Konsa is that he rarely takes any risk in distribution whereas Mings regularly does.
I felt we shackled Cavani really well last night. For a big man, he lost out on so many 50-50s to our lot and not just the defenders. Ramsey, Buendia and and Luiz all got stuck in against him and came out on top more often than not.
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Couldn't believe he picked out Digne(?) with that zinger of a ball. He was clearly emboldened by it as he tried it again a few minutes later but missed his target. One criticism of Konsa is that he rarely takes any risk in distribution whereas Mings regularly does.
I felt we shackled Cavani really well last night. For a big man, he lost out on so many 50-50s to our lot and not just the defenders. Ramsey, Buendia and and Luiz all got stuck in against him and came out on top more often than not.
Cavani was absolutely useless in both games against us. If ever there was a player calling it in these days...
I'd be very worried about Hause at RCB against most teams. Watch how teams will press him with the ball and force him onto his right foot. We need Konsa back asap
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Couldn't believe he picked out Digne(?) with that zinger of a ball. He was clearly emboldened by it as he tried it again a few minutes later but missed his target. One criticism of Konsa is that he rarely takes any risk in distribution whereas Mings regularly does.
I felt we shackled Cavani really well last night. For a big man, he lost out on so many 50-50s to our lot and not just the defenders. Ramsey, Buendia and and Luiz all got stuck in against him and came out on top more often than not.
I think thats a really good point about Konsa. My 11 year old plays CB for his club and idolises Konsa, even before Joe let, Erzi was his favourite player. However, he is a no risk defender. This is no problem in itself, but there is no way Konsa makes the run Mings did to help set up the first goal. I like them both and they are a good partnership most of the time but Mings by being braver for want of a better word, leaves himself visible to the doubters.
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Is there any footage of that zinger by Hause anywhere? I missed seeing it.
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Thought he did really well.
You could see he’s not comfortable on the right, though.
3 out of 4 cross field passes to Digne were unbelievably good, and great control by the receiver, too
Exactly, I am not certain anybody else in our side could have played those cross field balls, an extremely difficult ball to play and he achieved a 75% success rate!
Although he did look far from comfortable playing on the right, no problem with him at all playing on the left hand side!
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Is there any footage of that zinger by Hause anywhere? I missed seeing it.
https://twitter.com/avfcdann/status/1482769179795247104?s=20
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Is there any footage of that zinger by Hause anywhere? I missed seeing it.
https://twitter.com/avfcdann/status/1482769179795247104?s=20
The advantage of a leftfooter at right-centreback I guess, got that Nadalesque inside-out angle.
Also, at the end of the clip, Digne beating his fullback with ease shows the point of signing him. I don't know how many times Targett hasn't quite pulled off the same move in similar situations, but I'd bet it's a lot.
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Is there any footage of that zinger by Hause anywhere? I missed seeing it.
https://twitter.com/avfcdann/status/1482769179795247104?s=20
Straight from the Sid Cowans school of passing that one.
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Is there any footage of that zinger by Hause anywhere? I missed seeing it.
https://twitter.com/avfcdann/status/1482769179795247104?s=20
Straight from the Sid Cowans school of passing that one.
You only get entry to that school if 5 minutes later you do the same thing with the other foot.
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We need to keep him just for the games against Man U every year. I make it 3-1 aggregate to us when he's been playing (away league game and 2nd half at home), and 0-2 to them when he's not (cup game and 1st half at home).
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Is there any footage of that zinger by Hause anywhere? I missed seeing it.
https://twitter.com/avfcdann/status/1482769179795247104?s=20
Thanks CT, I appreciate it. Some pass and ultimate control.
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Is there any footage of that zinger by Hause anywhere? I missed seeing it.
https://twitter.com/avfcdann/status/1482769179795247104?s=20
Thanks CT, I appreciate it. Some pass and ultimate control.
Great pass and I think he made another one a few minutes later.
Watching that clip again it’s really noticeable how little Manyoo were pressing our defence, something that a few critics were slaying them for a few weeks ago.
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Talk of him wanting to go to West Ham where he'd probably get gametime due to injuries.
He's been a good servant and whilst I feel we ought to let him go if he really wants to leave we just can't do that this window having already lost Tuanzebe.
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Talk of him wanting to go to West Ham where he'd probably get gametime due to injuries.
He's been a good servant and whilst I feel we ought to let him go if he really wants to leave we just can't do that this window having already lost Tuanzebe.
I think it would be daft. He's not good enough to play consistently for a top 6 team, so as soon as they didn't have injuries, he'd be back on the bench again. Going there would probably be more to do with being back in London for the musical bollocks he does.
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I thought he was happy holed-up in a Wolverhampton studio laying down sick-beats when not needed at Bodymoor.
Yeah, no, we won't let him go after losing our Axel. The wheels would come off quickly, what with Konsa battered and bruised currently.
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I would like us to keep him after losing Axel we are short in this area.
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Rumours that he’s extended his deal to 2025. Solid squad player.
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Think he may move in the Summer when we get a top class centre half signed
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I don’t. Naturally left sided CB’s aren’t so easy to find. I can see someone coming in on Konsa’s side to replace Axel. A squad aspiring to be top 6 and Europe needs players like Hause and Targett. Asked to do it every week and it might be a bit much. And if/when we get to the top six then we look to push on from players like them or Mings and Cash etc. but right now they are all solid enough for where we are.
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I don’t. Naturally left sided CB’s aren’t so easy to find. I can see someone coming in on Konsa’s side to replace Axel. A squad aspiring to be top 6 and Europe needs players like Hause and Targett. Asked to do it every week and it might be a bit much. And if/when we get to the top six then we look to push on from players like them or Mings and Cash etc. but right now they are all solid enough for where we are.
Agree with everything except Mings, who I think would be absolutely fine in most top 6 squads, even if it was playing a similar role to the one Hause is now (although in that situation we'd also have European football on offer, so he'd probably still be clocking up 30+ appearances a season).
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Agreed a new contract according to the Daily Hate & The Telegraph
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He can sit back and relax now. Fill-in 10 times a season and get back to his music interests and making sick beats. Wouldn't we all love his life? Doesn't know he's born...
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He can sit back and relax now. Fill-in 10 times a season and get back to his music interests and making sick beats. Wouldn't we all love his life? Doesn't know he's born...
:-)
Mind you it’s handy really from our point of view as long as he keeps fit and sharp and does a good job when called upon. Rather than struggling to keep someone happy who is at least half decent.
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He can sit back and relax now. Fill-in 10 times a season and get back to his music interests and making sick beats. Wouldn't we all love his life? Doesn't know he's born...
Better than him going out clubbing and partying with TOWIE "stars".
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I like Kortney, he's a valuable member of the squad and I'm pleased he's staying.
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Rumours that he’s extended his deal to 2025. Solid squad player.
Confirmed now. Well downs Kortney
https://twitter.com/avfcofficial/status/1484224243688742915?s=21
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Rumours that he’s extended his deal to 2025. Solid squad player.
Confirmed now. Well downs Kortney
https://twitter.com/avfcofficial/status/1484224243688742915?s=21
He has signed a new four year contract.
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A good re sign. He’s never let us down. A great back up.
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Great news, perfect back up.
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Phew. Never going to be the greatest, but a valuable member of the squad with the attitude that allows him to be just that. I think we'll be cashing in on him this time next year if we have a good end to the season.
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Excellent, he’s really impressed me when he’s had a chance.
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He can afford a new motor now.
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To those who coach...
A) Does it not constantly amaze you how poor and/or lacking in confidence with their weaker foot certain professionals playing at the highest level are?
B) Is it something that they can be coached on and improved upon even well into their 20's (i.e Hause and his right foot) ?
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He's no strangers as sub
Kort know the rules and so he signed
A full commitment's what hes thinking of
You wouldn't get this from any other guy
I just wanna tell you how Hause is feeling
Gotta make you understand
Never gonna give it up
Never gonna let us down
Never gets the run around gives great effort
Never gonna sign a better guy
Never gonna say goodbye
Never gonna sell this guy Kort we love you
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Very good as a first draft!
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Hause is decent, certainly decent enough to be a back up centre half.
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The thing with Kortney he knows his role. And he’s embraced it. Sure could he go to another club and be a starter. But he’s in a good position at a club trying to go places to step in when needed and do a job. It’s a great attitude to have.
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Decent back up and good to tie him down. How much would a back up CB cost these days? £10m?
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Good squad man - you need those.
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no where near the level required
like a rabbit in the headlights when he’s got the ball at his feet and a bit of pressure is applied
Don’t think I’ve seen a centre half as awkward looking as him on the ball for a long time, no maybe ever
he tried a back pass to the goalkeeper against Brentford and nearly knocked a bloke out in the stand behind
not bad in the air but on the floor he’s seriously poor, came on the other day and his first touch was to trip over the ball nearly resulting in a full hand slap on the floor, It was like watching something from Laurel & Hardy
If our aspirations are top half or top 8 he’s not the player that’s going to get us there even as back up
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He was very poor against Brentford (who wasn't) but over his time with us I've liked him. He even looked very comfortable at left back.
Happy he's extended his contract.
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Kortney Hause forearm smash on Pablo Fornals probably impressed Gerrard!
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The thing with Kortney he knows his role. And he’s embraced it. Sure could he go to another club and be a starter. But he’s in a good position at a club trying to go places to step in when needed and do a job. It’s a great attitude to have.
Totally agree with this. I think West Ham were rumoured to be in for him, he wouldn't have been a started there though. If he left for more game time it would be to a lower half team potentially battling relegation. I like the guy and would have been disappointed to see him leave. Who else do we have as cover at CB?
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The thing with Kortney he knows his role. And he’s embraced it. Sure could he go to another club and be a starter. But he’s in a good position at a club trying to go places to step in when needed and do a job. It’s a great attitude to have.
It's funny because if you swap Hause with El Ghazi in this scenario you potentially have the same situation yet quite a few villa fans say he has to go permanently. I completely agree by the way.
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The thing with Kortney he knows his role. And he’s embraced it. Sure could he go to another club and be a starter. But he’s in a good position at a club trying to go places to step in when needed and do a job. It’s a great attitude to have.
It's funny because if you swap Hause with El Ghazi in this scenario you potentially have the same situation yet quite a few villa fans say he has to go permanently. I completely agree by the way.
The difference is that Hause is the first choice back-up, and happy to be. El Ghazi is now after Bailey, Coutinho, Traore, Buendia, Watkins, Ings and perhaps even Trezeguet.
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The thing with Kortney he knows his role. And he’s embraced it. Sure could he go to another club and be a starter. But he’s in a good position at a club trying to go places to step in when needed and do a job. It’s a great attitude to have.
It's funny because if you swap Hause with El Ghazi in this scenario you potentially have the same situation yet quite a few villa fans say he has to go permanently. I completely agree by the way.
The difference is that Hause is the first choice back-up, and happy to be. El Ghazi is now after Bailey, Coutinho, Traore, Buendia, Watkins, Ings and perhaps even Trezeguet.
Bailey, traore and Trez have been missing all season and coutinho has just come in. Anwar knew his place in the squad and it's been needed at times this season. He's done more for us than all of the forementioned
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The difference is that Hause is the first choice back-up, and happy to be. El Ghazi is now after Bailey, Coutinho, Traore, Buendia, Watkins, Ings and perhaps even Trezeguet.
I also think that it’s a slightly easier job being a reserve centre back than winger. When you chuck a winger on it’s usually because you’re chasing a game and need those coming on to make a real and immediate difference.
I thought Hause was superb second half against Man U. If he can maintain those standards he can be a great player. Needs to be like that rather than the away at Brentford version.
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I thought Hause was superb when he came on last week as well. Didnt he ping a couple 60 yarders to Digne?
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More than happy with this. Just the type of player and attitude we need in the squad.
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The other thing with back up players is that they have to be able to come in and perform, not requiring a few games to get up to speed each time, which the big man has done really well.
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I just want Hause to prove his right foot isn't for shuffling on. You're a grown footballer ffs. Gerrard said in his presser today that each player has an individual "plan". Hopefully getting Kourtney learning ground football is part of his. After that, I'm happy if he's on his £37k basic a week.
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What is wrong with Kortney? Is it still the abdominal discomfort? - he flew to America for treatment I think ahead of the Wolves game in a bid to be available for that match at the beginning of April. SG said he was "unavailable" for Leicester last Saturday. This could be crucial as Tyrone is walking a tightrope on 9 yellow cards; one more and he's banned for two matches. Although he gets criticised I thought he played superbly at Leicester, blocking and heading so many crosses/shots. I hope Hause is fit soon in case this happens, particularly as he's a left-footed CB.
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Mings is okay, the 10-card cut-off was after 32 games.
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Mings is okay, the 10-card cut-off was after 32 games.
That's good news, however we need Hause fit ASAP for what could be tricky run in.
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Yeah where's the update from the club? Bloody shit this, we should have the information to hand and kept in the loop.
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Hause signed a new deal within weeks of Gerrard taking over. We then released Tuanzebe, signed Chambers and Kortney hasn't been seen.
It's really hard to keep four centre backs happy in a squad that plays an average of 4 games a month. If rumours are true and West Ham are interested, he might be someone we can make money on and then promote one of the kids as fourth choice CB.
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Or Mings gets sold and Hause remains understudy to the new guy.
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Didn't realise Korts was actually injured, just assumed he was being left out as Chambers is the back up CB and Young covers LB on the bench.
I get the feeling he might want to go end of the season so the new contract was just to get a bigger fee in the summer, he'd be great for Fulham and Bournemouth coming back up so we should have interest.
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Kortney Hause to miss Aston Villa pre-season following knee surgery
He'll miss between four to six weeks.
That makes it tough for him to be up to speed fitness wise and a set back.
Best of luck to him as respect his role and solid squad member.
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Is he worth keeping? He's always either injured or on the bench. With Carlos' arrival, he's even further down the queue behind Chambers too.
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Is he worth keeping? He's always either injured or on the bench. With Carlos' arrival, he's even further down the queue behind Chambers too.
There's probably not going to be a big rush for his services while he's injured, and then the transfer window will be shut.
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WHam were linked last Christmas.
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WHam were linked last Christmas.
Not happening - the very next day they gave it away
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WHam were linked last Christmas.
Not happening - the very next day they gave it away
I think this year they’ll go for someone special.
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WHam were linked last Christmas.
I believe that was just a Careless Whisper
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Wake me up when the pun a thon ends !
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WHam were linked last Christmas.
Not happening - the very next day they gave it away
I think this year they’ll go for someone special.
Yeah he’ll stay with us and have his favourite soft drink in his home just outside Birmingham.
Drinking Pepsi in Shirley.
Sorry!
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WHam were linked last Christmas.
Not happening - the very next day they gave it away
I think this year they’ll go for someone special.
Yeah he’ll stay with us and have his favourite soft drink in his home just outside Birmingham.
Drinking Pepsi in Shirley.
Are the drinks free?
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I think he had showdown talks with Gerrard.
SG: Why should I keep you here?
KH: I'm your man!
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Not here for good and not our hause for much longer. Looks like he'll keep Keinan company according to The Athletic:
Watford have agreed a deal with Aston Villa for the signing of striker Keinan Davis.
It’s also understood that Watford are in talks for the signing of Kortney Hause, also from Villa, however that is not understood to be at such an advanced stage.
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Makes sense to move a left-sided CB like him on now that we have Diego, and Mings as back-up. Wish him all the best, don't recall him grumbling when he wasn't in the first team and performed ably when called upon. Hope we get a decent fee for him.
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Helped us a lot in the promotion run in as it meant we had 2 fit and functioning CBs after the garbage situation Bruce had left us in, and didn't overly let us down when called upon in the PL. Wish him all the best.
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Yep always liked Courtney, limited and probs a good time to sell or loan but solid, reliable, part of the promotion squad and that winner against Manure, good memories all.
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Was, and probably still is, the best header of the ball at the club. Now Carlos has signed he's little to no chance of ever playing so don't blame him if he goes.
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Great in the air, awful with his feet. Got a nice new contract in Jan, generally didn't let us down and he/we/Deano'll always have that famous last five minutes at Old Trafford.
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Championship is probably his level. Good luck to him.
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A perfectly good Prem League defender -until you put the ball at his feet.
Good luck to him.
And thanks for the Wembley 2019 sub appearance at the end, Kortney!
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If he goes I wish him nothing but good luck.
Decent player, superb in the air and although not completely comfortable with the ball at his feet sprayed some lovely long balls about at times.
All the best Kortney.
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He played his part in getting us back to the top flight and keeping us here, and scored the winner against those cûnts. Good luck, Kortney.
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Presently, he'd be staying put.
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Pending a medical he's off to Watford. We are now -2 at CB with the loss of Diego. So either we have someone else coming in soon or Ash will be playing as back up CB also
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I thought that was dead and buried now?
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I thought that was dead and buried now?
According to Greg about an hour ago. But who the hell knows
https://twitter.com/greggevans40/status/1561679548152004608?s=21&t=QuJIY78Wn2GcMRCyKYoMuQ
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For the first time since the owners came in we seem as though we may be a bit disjointed. If we indeed are, will be interesting how they resolve it.
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Yes it feels a bit odd to be getting rid of another centre back leaving us with three. I’d hope they‘ve got a replacement in place.
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Is Bednarek any better than Hause? Did he play in the 9-0s?
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Yes it feels a bit odd to be getting rid of another centre back leaving us with three. I’d hope they‘ve got a replacement in place.
Like we had Sarr for Traore, yes I am sure its all under control. :'(
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Looking a complete shambles across the board at the moment.
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Mad to let him go at the moment, the charge sheet against the Manager keeps getting longer....
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WHam were linked last Christmas.
Not happening - the very next day they gave it away
I think this year they’ll go for someone special.
Yes. Once bitten and twice shy on that deal.
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Is Bednarek any better than Hause? Did he play in the 9-0s?
In the limited times I’ve seen Bendarek i thought he was truly awful. Whilst Hause is limited he is definitely not any worse. If this happens it makes zero sense in any way.
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Hause is a very good defender at Championship level, as long as there is no expectation he will be required to play out from the back. Thought Deano would have gone for him. Good servant for us and wish him the best.
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Mad to let him go at the moment, the charge sheet against the Manager keeps getting longer....
Hause has started a dozen league games or so in the last two years, and is nowhere near even getting in the squad at the moment. I'd hope we were lining up another centre back while Carlos is out, but if not I'd have no worries about young Feeney stepping up.
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With DC out for the season, where is the logic in sending Hause out on loan? Makes no sense.
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With DC out for the season, where is the logic in sending Hause out on loan? Makes no sense.
Who in the current matchday squads would you leave out to include Hause? We already have no place for the likes of Iroegbunam and Sanson.
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I can see why we'd let Hause go, and why he'd want to go so as he can play games. Issue is we're an injury to Mings away from a CB pairing of Konsa and Chambers for a run of games with the main backup an untested recently turned 17 year old.
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I think they’ll be a trolllllllley dash in the last week of the window.
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That's it Steven, keep weakening the squad. Does he know there's 5 subs this season?
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I can see why we'd let Hause go, and why he'd want to go so as he can play games. Issue is we're an injury to Mings away from a CB pairing of Konsa and Chambers for a run of games with the main backup an untested recently turned 17 year old.
I can only suppose we've a loan deal lined up somewhere (Bednarek was mentioned). Hause hasn't played in a long time and from his perspective I can see he'd want to play. He's good enough only to be our 5th Centre back cover, and probably 4th Left Back cover now.
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Bednarek isn't even first choice centre back for Southampton. There fans say he's slow and immobile. Would fit in perfectly. Slow, immobile and crap. Let's pay £25m.
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Would anyone be happy with Hause playing 10 games this season to cover for injuries and suspensions? No, nor me so I wish him well and let’s get him off to a team where he’ll play.
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Seeing as Sarr has messed us around, I'd mess them around with Hause. String them along and then pull the plug on Friday. Just to spite them and because I'm in a really shit mood today.
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Now confirmed by Watford
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It doesn’t look like Watford messed us about as it’s reported that we pulled the plug. A bit of a strange one having done all the leg work on the deal. I do know that the club have stated that if a player goes public with any potential deal then we walk away. Wasn’t that what Ings said when he came?
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The squad is much weaker now than at the start of the season......5 CB options reduced to 3. KKH should've stayed.
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Good luck Kortney.
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Would anyone be happy with Hause playing 10 games this season to cover for injuries and suspensions? No, nor me so I wish him well and let’s get him off to a team where he’ll play.
Right now and based on what he did last season, I'd have played him over Mings and I'd play Chambers over Okore...sorry, Konsa. If Hause has something beneficial, it's that he's way better in the air than Mings, who for his size might as well have a tennis ball for a head. I'm not entirely sure what has happened either, but as a duo, Ming and Konsa are atrocious right now, where 18 months ago they were looking solid.
Aside from Mings probably being quicker up to full gallop, I don't see what he brings that Hause can't. When Mings was firing off errors LRC last season and Hause stepped in, he rarely let us down. What's gone on, I don't know but what other club besides maybe Utd would you see a player have half a dozen good games (Hause), get handed a new deal then seemingly fall completely out of favour inexplicably?
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Good luck Kortney. Can entirely understand wanting to get more games elsewhere.
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Barmy, unless we have at least one replacement lined up.
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Seems a really nice likeable guy, good luck to him.
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Good luck. Never let us down.
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Thanks for the winner at Old Trafford.
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Good luck Kortney! Thanks for your role in this period of promotion and consolidation. Hoping to see Watford get promotion now.
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Not a great fan of Hause to be honest did he best but to many mistakes in him However no way should we loan out two players to Watford before we have replaced them The longer Gerrard is in charge i start to have serious doubts if he is up to the job
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The physio there will have his hands full with Keinan and Kortney.
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Good point Meanwood
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Sounds like he’s coming back. Will be like a new signing ;-)
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He's better than fucking Bednerak, and on what I've seen this season Chambers too.
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Well our two deadline day deals were for players who couldn't get in to sides in the relegation zone. What do we expect from them.
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Sounds like he’s coming back. Will be like a new signing ;-)
Unfortunately the only reason he's coming back is that he's perma-crocked!
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Oh brother!
Is Keinan joining him on a strecher?!
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Oh brother!
Is Keinan joining him on a stretcher?!
BOGOF
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Oh brother!
Is Keinan joining him on a strecher?!
He is actually injured. Thigh strain near the end of the last game he played...
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I was wondering what was happening with him, as we may be short of a central defender if Konsa, Mings or Chambers gets injured/suspended.
Turns out he's injured and there's some dispute between Villa and Watford on what to do about it - presumably Watford want to get out of paying his loan fee.
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-watford-kortney-hause-26106938
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Looks like Villa have got the better of this - financially at least.
https://twitter.com/AVFCTheReligion/status/1624149212072927257?t=td2-aYg_XLUxGhwkq3IADg&s=19
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Have we heard any updates on Kortney's injury and rehab? I presume we'll be looking to loan him out again this season, if he's fit.
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So he's returned to us but he's going to be registered to Watford for the season? What good is that?
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that was in feb.
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Feel a bit sorry for Kortney. Played his part in getting us promoted in 2019, has never really let us down when called upon. Guy can't catch a break when it comes to injuries.
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Feel a bit sorry for Kortney. Played his part in getting us promoted in 2019, has never really let us down when called upon. Guy can't catch a break when it comes to injuries.
Some usernames make me smile and this is certainly one of them.
"Address me by my proper title. You little bollocks"
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Feel a bit sorry for Kortney. Played his part in getting us promoted in 2019, has never really let us down when called upon. Guy can't catch a break when it comes to injuries.
Some usernames make me smile and this is certainly one of them.
"Address me by my proper title. You little bollocks"
We've also got Pat "hairy baby maker" Mustard and Larry Duff, who's tremendous fun, on these boards
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I used to like 'Lost in Munich' which often resulted in the song being stuck in my head. Paranoid Ormondroyd was another which was a hoot.
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Tokyo Sexwhale sounded the most original and fucked-up funny until it emerged he was a real person, with an important, serious job in politics an'stuff.
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Tokyo Sexwhale sounded the most original and fucked-up funny until it emerged he was a real person, with an important, serious job in politics an'stuff.
Even so, it and boutrosboutrosgnarly are my two favourites.
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Feel a bit sorry for Kortney. Played his part in getting us promoted in 2019, has never really let us down when called upon. Guy can't catch a break when it comes to injuries.
You say that, but he was like a spinning top against Man City when they beat a 6-1 at home
One of the worst centre back performances I’ve ever seen and he wasn’t alone on that day
Seems a nice guy, but nowhere near good enough for the Premier League
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I used to like 'Lost in Munich' which often resulted in the song being stuck in my head. Paranoid Ormondroyd was another which was a hoot.
I've only just realised, reading this, that Lost In Munich is a play on Lost in Music. It had never occurred to me. D'oh.
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I used to like 'Lost in Munich' which often resulted in the song being stuck in my head. Paranoid Ormondroyd was another which was a hoot.
I've only just realised, reading this, that Lost In Munich is a play on Lost in Music. It had never occurred to me. D'oh.
That hadn't occurred to me, but it's also a movie title.
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I used to like 'Lost in Munich' which often resulted in the song being stuck in my head. Paranoid Ormondroyd was another which was a hoot.
He was Munichs best poster.
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I'd forgotten about Hause. I know he won't be on much (comparatively - he's living the life of Riley compared to you and I) but how long are we left lumbered with him? He's not going to play for us again, are Watford obliged to buy him?
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I'd forgotten about Hause. I know he won't be on much (comparatively - he's living the life of Riley compared to you and I) but how long are we left lumbered with him? He's not going to play for us again, are Watford obliged to buy him?
Contract is until 2025, so another 2 years.
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I'd forgotten about Hause. I know he won't be on much (comparatively - he's living the life of Riley compared to you and I) but how long are we left lumbered with him? He's not going to play for us again, are Watford obliged to buy him?
No idea how reliable the Villa guy at the Birmingham Mail is, but when asked about players leaving this summer he said....
"We’ll start with question one. Villa sent Kesler-Hayden out on loan last week, and I’m really pleased he got a Championship move. He’ll work with Steven Schumacher, who is very highly rated. Seb Revan is close to joining a League Two side on loan, while other youngsters will depart in the coming weeks. Nakamba is one of Luton’s top targets this summer, and is up for transfer this summer. Morgan Sanson, Wesley, Keinan Davis and Kortney Hause are all available to leave too. Jaden Philogene could depart permanently and is of interest to Stoke City."
Just because he's listed as available to leave doesn't mean he'll actually leave though.
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Just because he's listed as available to leave doesn't mean he'll actually leave though.
If he has regained fitness he could surely do a job for someone on loan Think he's on 25k a week but I've read 50k and even as low as 8k elsewhere.
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Just because he's listed as available to leave doesn't mean he'll actually leave though.
If he has regained fitness he could surely do a job for someone on loan Think he's on 25k a week but I've read 50k and even as low as 8k elsewhere.
Blimey, all cost bases covered! I think he got a juicy contract around the time of some good form in the team (was it when scored at Old Trafford in Deano's last triumph?).
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Was just thinking, even 8k a week to essentially do a bit of exercise 5 days a week, with zero pressure to actually play or deliver results, would be a pretty cushy number.
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He'd be a good pick up for Luton so lump him in with Marvellous on double deal.
Worth the 3m for that Man. United goal alone.
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would be a top championship level player if he could stay fit.
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He'd be a good pick up for Luton so lump him in with Marvellous on double deal.
Worth the 3m for that Man. United goal alone.
Thats a good shout.
He would do well with Luton.
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Luton are apparently interested in Young too. They could end up as our B team.
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🚨 The lowest paid players in the Premier League:
1️⃣ Alex Mighten: £3,462 p/w
2️⃣ Rhys Norrington-Davies: £4,000 p/w
3️⃣ Jordan Clark: £5,000 p/w
4️⃣ James Shea: £7,500 p/w
5️⃣ Pelly Ruddock Mpanzu: £7,500 p/w
6️⃣ Kourtney Hause: £8,077 p/w
7️⃣ Loris Karius: £10,000 p/w
8️⃣ George Baldock: £10,000 p/w
9️⃣ Tommy Doyle: £10,000 p/w
🔟 Max Lowe: £10,000 p/w
✍️ @SportBible
Saw the above, fairly swiftly rebutted by the below Athletic article.
Hope he makes it Bs k to a good level, well loved in his time.
#Our Hause, in the middle of…
https://theathletic.com/4862716/2023/11/16/kortney-hause-a-footballer-in-limbo/
Kortney Hause: A footballer in limbo
Jacob Tanswell
Kortney Hause: A footballer in limbo
In the wilderness for over a year, injured and out of sight and mind, Kortney Hause has been back at Aston Villa for several months without updates on his recovery.
It followed a disrupted and acrimonious loan spell at Watford for the centre-back.
On January 9, The Athletic highlighted Watford’s desire to terminate Hause’s season-long loan after a contentious knee injury. There was no break clause and Villa had planned to keep him out on loan, ensuring they paid the agreed contribution toward his £25,000-a-week salary. At the end of that month, the defender was left out of Watford’s 25-man squad for the remainder of the season, with the Professional Footballers’ Association (PFA) engaged in discussions with both clubs on the matter. A compromise was proving elusive.
Hause made three appearances for Watford and last featured in a matchday squad against Wigan Athletic on October 29, 2022. He has not kicked a ball in anger since.
Hause had joined Watford two months earlier. The 28-year-old wanted regular game time and Villa, having signed Southampton’s Jan Bednarek as defensive cover, arranged for the year without him. The conditions of the loan were agreed and Hause passed his medical, despite a minor operation to his right knee over the summer.
The defender’s right knee had been a source of pain in recent years. He would take tablets to ease the soreness before training and after feeling a lump, wanted to visit a specialist to unearth the route of the long-standing problem. Eventually, Hause visited Andy Williams, a knee surgeon in London regarded as one of the best in Europe. Within two days, Williams had Hause in for surgery.
The window of recovery took just six weeks, with an acceptance from the player’s side that he should have visited Williams before. The successful operation, however, meant he was fit in time to join Watford, even if he harboured growing doubts over the wear and tear of his left knee.
The right knee had been given the all-clear by Williams but Hause knew surgery would be required on his left at some point. When Hause first joined Watford, he trained daily, but due to his physical condition, was unable to do so at maximum intensity and show he was deserving of a place in the starting lineup.
Watford, though, who naturally did not know how the defender was feeling internally, wanted him to form the spine of their team with sporting director Cristiano Giaretta pushing the deal. Sources close to Watford, speaking on the condition of anonymity to protect relationships, say the club was disappointed at the player not raising doubts over his knees before signing on loan.
The pain in his left knee proved consuming and raised questions — between the player, Watford and Villa — as to what happens next and who would decide the plan of action.
Being on loan diluted the situation. Hause was now of little value to either club, with his subsequent fade into obscurity leaving a sour taste in many mouths.
“There has been a bit of a difference of opinions about his treatment,” said then Watford manager, Slaven Bilic, in January. By this stage, Hause had not featured since October but was still on loan at Watford. “He wants surgery. Nobody else was in favour of surgery. And it has been like that for three months.
“I’m gutted for him and for us. He is also gutted about this, don’t get me wrong. He was going to be one of our main men who would help us go back to the Premier League, and I haven’t seen him play.”
Watford, Kortney Hause
Hause spent last season on loan at Watford (Steven Paston/PA Images via Getty Images)
Hause reported his knee issue to Watford but felt he received little empathy or attention. He was asked to continue training and manage his gym sessions, yet Hause, feeling discomfort, could not work at 100 per cent or do himself justice in training and pushed to have surgery.
Instead of the injury being managed carefully so he could still play, as Watford intended, progress was slow going. Watford preferred for Hause to see a specialist, hoping to avoid intrusive treatment and return within a similar timeframe to his recovery from the injury to his right knee.
During his time at the club, three specialists looked at Hause’s knee. The sticking point was that Hause viewed this injury as needing greater rehabilitation.
In the end, Watford accepted Hause could no longer compete physically in training. Bilic’s assistant Dean Racunica, who admired Hause’s athleticism at Villa, noted a marked difference in the player who was at Watford and realised the situation was unsustainable. There were times when observers close to the situation wondered if Hause could be physically capable of playing again.
It created a rift between Watford and Hause’s camp, who felt the player’s feelings and health were not being taken seriously enough because the club were paying his salary. A source close to the situation, speaking on the condition of anonymity, described the two-month impasse as “very dark times”.
Discussions took place regarding Hause returning to Villa’s Bodymoor Heath campus. A termination of the season-long loan agreement, however, would need to be mutually agreed by both clubs and require ratification from the EFL. Even when it reached a stage when it became clear there was no alternative, by the terms of the loan agreement, Watford carried on paying his wages.
The defender underwent further rehabilitation at Watford, in accordance with the terms of the loan. On January 20, Hause posted on his Instagram, with the caption reading “Prisoner.” That same day, he elaborated on his frustration at the timetabling of Watford’s treatment.
“The fact I’ve got to wait four and half hours between physio sessions is beyond me,” he wrote. “What has my life come to? If I don’t laugh I’ll cry.”
Sources close to Watford suggest the club was surprised at the post as he was still being paid.
The defender was aggrieved at being asked to arrive at the club’s training ground early in the morning but could not see a physio until the afternoon, leaving him to wait around Watford’s training ground. When there was initial hope he would return within six weeks, Hause was timetabled to be in the gym in the morning before working with a physio an hour later. The shift in schedule seemed to serve as an indication he was no longer of worth, isolated, and being poorly treated.
On February 10, an agreement was reached for Hause to return to Villa, coinciding with the decision to finally have knee surgery. Once more, Williams performed the operation, with Hause undergoing the various stages of recovery inside Villa’s refurbished gym and working individually with a club physio.
After setbacks in his recovery which delayed his return, there is now a sense Hause is finally seeing light at the end of the tunnel. His experiences took a toll from a psychological standpoint — stepping up his ambitions to release music during his time away from football — but the hope is he will return to playing for Villa’s under-21 side towards the back end of this year ahead of a potential loan move in January.
By then, Hause will have 18 months left on his existing deal and although he is yet to have a conversation with Villa head coach Unai Emery, he has held discussions with director of football Damian Vidagany and president of football operations Monchi.
Hause is unlikely to be named in Villa’s 25-man squad in January, finding himself towards the bottom of head coach Emery’s centre-back options which include Ezri Konsa, Diego Carlos, Pau Torres, Clement Lenglet and Calum Chambers.
A move elsewhere will likely be the determining solution, provided he can prove his form and fitness in the interim. But having become the forgotten man at two clubs, putting the last year behind him is the first priority.
Aston Villa did not respond when contacted by The Athletic.
(Photo: Laurence Griffiths/Getty Images)
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Just because he's listed as available to leave doesn't mean he'll actually leave though.
If he has regained fitness he could surely do a job for someone on loan Think he's on 25k a week but I've read 50k and even as low as 8k elsewhere.
Just seen this also…
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Feel for the lad, responsible for one of the best days I've had following the Villa so he'll always have my love.
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His house or where he was staying in Dorridge has been empty for months.
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🚨 The lowest paid players in the Premier League:
1️⃣ Alex Mighten: £3,462 p/w
2️⃣ Rhys Norrington-Davies: £4,000 p/w
3️⃣ Jordan Clark: £5,000 p/w
4️⃣ James Shea: £7,500 p/w
5️⃣ Pelly Ruddock Mpanzu: £7,500 p/w
6️⃣ Kourtney Hause: £8,077 p/w
7️⃣ Loris Karius: £10,000 p/w
8️⃣ George Baldock: £10,000 p/w
9️⃣ Tommy Doyle: £10,000 p/w
🔟 Max Lowe: £10,000 p/w
✍️ @SportBible
How can anyone get by on just £3,462 per week?
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🚨 The lowest paid players in the Premier League:
1️⃣ Alex Mighten: £3,462 p/w
2️⃣ Rhys Norrington-Davies: £4,000 p/w
3️⃣ Jordan Clark: £5,000 p/w
4️⃣ James Shea: £7,500 p/w
5️⃣ Pelly Ruddock Mpanzu: £7,500 p/w
6️⃣ Kourtney Hause: £8,077 p/w
7️⃣ Loris Karius: £10,000 p/w
8️⃣ George Baldock: £10,000 p/w
9️⃣ Tommy Doyle: £10,000 p/w
🔟 Max Lowe: £10,000 p/w
✍️ @SportBible
How can anyone get by on just £3,462 per week?
Only 180k pa poor thing, oh to be (possibly) the worst paid player in the prem
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Feel for the lad, responsible for one of the best days I've had following the Villa so he'll always have my love.
Nearly buggered it up by giving away a penalty a few minutes later!
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Bloody hell, I thought he'd already left Villa
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His house or where he was staying in Dorridge has been empty for months.
I imagine we'll release him from his deal in next few months and he'll end up back in London, Millwall or probably more likely QPR feels a decent option once he gets his fitness up.
Was a bit odd we gave him a new four year deal as he was falling out of favour even under DS.
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Lucky man, can focus on his music career while getting a regular salary.
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Apropos of nothing, I think this 'Dide' rapper who is supposed to be a premier league footballer is our Kortney.
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Just re-reading The Athletic article on the previous page of this thread, Hause hasn't played in 15 and a half months! Didn't realise it was quite that bad.
Playing for the U21s and a possible loan move in January as suggested in that piece doesn't seem to have transpired, so I wonder has he had another setback.
A real shame as if fit, we could do with him right now. He would be a real asset for us aerially and Maguire may not have bullied us so easily from corners on Sunday...