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Title: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Legion on October 23, 2018, 09:35:23 PM
Give our new manager time. He will sort it out.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: amfy on October 23, 2018, 09:38:00 PM
Not great luck tonight with 2 quick injuries followed by a goal from a corner that they shouldnít have had. I think that was hard to come back from.
Smith has had no real time with them yet and wonít do for a while! We keep only getting one real day between games!
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on October 23, 2018, 09:39:27 PM
Least it's not long till the next game!
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on October 23, 2018, 09:41:04 PM
Injuries killed us. Problems if Abraham is out for Friday which probably looks likely.

Reality is Norwich are better than us atm with the form they're in and their manager has been there 18 months.

I expect 4 points from QPR-Bolton though to keep us in touch.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on October 23, 2018, 09:41:38 PM
Massive rebuilding job to be done here.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: olaftab on October 23, 2018, 09:41:39 PM
Well now he knows the situation we are in and the pathetic squad of so called players we have.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: kieron on October 23, 2018, 09:42:10 PM
The curse of the first half vs second half strikes again.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Edvard Remberg on October 23, 2018, 09:42:35 PM
Was a very nasty match thread. We are not good... but... but...
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Tuscans on October 23, 2018, 09:42:49 PM
Missed McGinn, then missed Tammy...we still have quite a few duds in the squad who need to shoot off...I include Taylor, ok!
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: OzVilla on October 23, 2018, 09:43:10 PM
Disappointing display 2nd half, poor substitutions, Jack Grealish looks increasingly like Stephen Ireland mk II and weíve a liability in goal. Pretty shit really.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: malckennedy on October 23, 2018, 09:43:17 PM
 Canít see any improvement at all. Woeful performances from Taylor, Hourihane, El Ghazi, Hogan to name the most obvious ones.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: CT on October 23, 2018, 09:43:39 PM
The two forced subs and some dismal keeping did for us tonight, we were poor after that.

Still, onwards and upwards - was still a million times better than anything under fucking Bruce.

Thought Axel was immense tonight, on the flipsde, I thought Jack was no more than average, again.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on October 23, 2018, 09:43:45 PM
Because my friend itís avout time these cnuts who get more a week than I get in a year get called out for the weak links that they are.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Nev on October 23, 2018, 09:43:54 PM
Fine for an hour but Hogan and El Ghazi have just turned in two of the worst cameos I have ever seen, we were playing with 9 men and it showed.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on October 23, 2018, 09:44:00 PM
Some very poor performance tonight.
Hourihane gave the ball away all night.
Taylor canít seem to be able to kick a moving ball.
Hogan pointless
Elmo did nothing
Nyland at fault for a goal
Hutton all over the place and his starting position cost the winner
Albert was again ineffective.
El Ghazi rhymes with Khazi they did actually stop passing to him, utter shit.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Jon Crofts on October 23, 2018, 09:44:01 PM
Some fucking woeful performances tonight.

Nolanís, Hutton, Taylor, Hogan all shit.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 23, 2018, 09:44:15 PM
Ok first half, awful second.

Reality is though that with players away on international duty and yesterday won't have been full on training, so we've probably only had 1 proper training session with everyone. Going to take a lot more than that to wipe out the shite Bruce's coaches were teaching them.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: TheMalandro on October 23, 2018, 09:44:24 PM
Fucking Bruce. How many of these teams have managers that have been in charge less than two seasons, spent fuck all, and we still get dicked.

Thank god he's gone.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Matt Collins on October 23, 2018, 09:44:36 PM
Poor second half. Injuries and the keeper mistake didn't help. Though that goal may have gone in anyway

Tuanzebe was very very good. Hutton, Whelan, Taylor and Elmo good too

Jack poor again. Delivery and set pieces awful

Hourihane was ok but faded

Hogan was utterly anonymous as is his wont

El ghazi was initially even worse but in the end actually started to do some things

Some very sloppy passing a clear need to work on attacking patterns of play

Disappointing. But this will take time

Abraham being out would be a blow. If he is, its got to be Kodjia surely

Fitness also clearly a problem
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Pete3206 on October 23, 2018, 09:44:39 PM
Shocking.

Grealish terrible, Whealan a joke, shit full backs and a complete travesty playing at number nine. Everyone else bar Axel was shite.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on October 23, 2018, 09:44:40 PM
Tired badly.Physically bossed again.Tuanzebe and Taylor our best players.Hutton at fault for their first.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: andyh on October 23, 2018, 09:44:42 PM
Letís not underestimate the size of the job in front of Smith. Second half was Bruceesque in its lack of quality.
Hourihane is just not the midfielder we want/need him to be.

Axel was our MoTM by a country mile.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on October 23, 2018, 09:44:45 PM
Well now he knows the situation we are in and the pathetic squad of so called players we have.

It's not a terrible squad. However we have lost that grit and resiluence at the back we had in many away games last season that we won 1-0. Now they're draws and defeats and it shows in the league table.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: clash city rocker on October 23, 2018, 09:44:51 PM
I know it sounds daft but you need games like this so that Smith and his coaches can see just how shit some of our players are.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: CT Villan on October 23, 2018, 09:45:21 PM
1st half ok, 2nd very poor.

Bruce out !

He may have left the building but his influence on the team remains (for now)

Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on October 23, 2018, 09:45:58 PM
Dean has got a 50 percent win ratio.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: frank black on October 23, 2018, 09:46:04 PM
Goal keeper, center half and left back a priority in January. Although fair play to Tuanzebe he looking better.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 23, 2018, 09:46:07 PM
That second half was fucking terrible, really really poor.

Axel was our best player by a fucking mile. Hutton, Hourihane and Whelan were awful and Jack was once again poor, he really needs to start doing something.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on October 23, 2018, 09:46:21 PM
Are we going to be able to spend much in January?  We haven't got time to fanny about trying to rehabilitate shit players.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: jwarry on October 23, 2018, 09:46:25 PM
Some very poor performance tonight.
Hourihane gave the ball away all night.
Taylor canít seem to be able to kick a moving ball.
Hogan pointless
Elmo did nothing
Nyland at fault for a goal
Hutton all over the place and his starting position cost the winner
Albert was again ineffective.
El Ghazi rhymes with Khazi they did actually stop passing to him, utter shit.

All lessons Iím sure Mr Smith will have noted. Rome was not built ........
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: garyshawsknee on October 23, 2018, 09:47:29 PM
Never recovered from the two quick subs we had to make. Missed Tammy when he went off, Alberts rate work. Smith will learn a lot from tonight. Axel was superb.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Matt Collins on October 23, 2018, 09:47:32 PM
It was classic hourihane wasn't it?

Generally very pedestrian and slow / one footed. But another assist with a great ball in

Ultimately I don't think he can play the sort of crisp passing game that Smith wants
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Tuscans on October 23, 2018, 09:47:49 PM
I know it sounds daft but you need games like this so that Smith and his coaches can see just how shit some of our players are.
Doesn't sound daft, good point.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: wolfman999 on October 23, 2018, 09:48:03 PM
Another Bruce performance. If we get out of this fucking league this year, I'll be amazed. Early days for the new management but the squad is so poor in key areas and by January, we could be well out it. Passes always side to side or backwards and often given away.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Rigadon on October 23, 2018, 09:48:11 PM
We looked as disjointed as we ver did under Bruce second half.  Yeah, couple of injuries didn't help, but our crossing and shooting is criminally bad and yet again we get bullied by small town clubs with average players.

The bad:
Hogan - Shit.
El Ghazi - worse (they looked like they stopped passing to him after his first couple of touches which is deeply concerning)
Hourahane - pedestrian

The better:
Tuanzebe's best game.  Grealish tried to make things happen, but always looks like he's waiting to be clattered rather than making something happen.  He needs to sort that out quickly. 

Smith will get to grips with it I'm sure, but that was truly poor after the first 10 minutes.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on October 23, 2018, 09:48:20 PM
Grealish needs to take more responsibility. On around 85 minutes he beat two men to the left of the box, which was great, and then laid the ball off to Taylor when he was still in plenty of space himself. No good can come of that. If you're the team's best player you shouldn't be delegating final balls into the box to Neil effing Taylor, who, to be fair, as I understand it, was a dedicated and exemplary milk monitor.

Alternatively, we could try to sign some other players who aren't allergic to footballs.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on October 23, 2018, 09:48:22 PM
Still only 3 points off top 6 remarkably which is one positive to desperately cling onto...
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: London Villan on October 23, 2018, 09:48:34 PM
Player for player it compares to any squad in the league. Our first choice back four should be adequate, the keeper Im not so sure. The rest though should be capable of creating chances and scoring goals. In Deano we trust.

Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: tomd2103 on October 23, 2018, 09:49:00 PM
Letís not underestimate the size of the job in front of Smith. Second half was Bruceesque in its lack of quality.
Hourihane is just not the midfielder we want/need him to be.

Axel was our MoTM by a country mile.

Agree with that.  You just look it and think that squad has been assembled with little thought or planning.  The number of times we gave the ball away tonight was unacceptable really. 
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Grocer on October 23, 2018, 09:49:22 PM
Poor second half. Injuries and the keeper mistake didn't help. Though that goal may have gone in anyway

Tuanzebe was very very good. Hutton, Whelan, Taylor and Elmo good too

Jack poor again. Delivery and set pieces awful

Hourihane was ok but faded

Hogan was utterly anonymous as is his wont

El ghazi was initially even worse but in the end actually started to do some things

Some very sloppy passing a clear need to work on attacking patterns of play

Disappointing. But this will take time

Abraham being out would be a blow. If he is, its got to be Kodjia surely

Fitness also clearly a problem

Perfect summary, agree with all of that.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: themossman on October 23, 2018, 09:49:26 PM
Grealish doesn't ever seem to go forward anymore.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Newby on October 23, 2018, 09:49:52 PM
Nyland at fault for the first goal, he didn't bother with the second.  Hutton and Taylor are poor full backs and need replacing.  Taylor was only less shit than usual tonight.  Chester making stupid errors.  Tuanzebe was good, covered a lot of ground.  Hourihane, if he doesn't score, offers very little.  Whelan is over the hill, grealish is trying but it's just not coming off for him at the moment.  Thats said, some poor decision making tonight, particularly from set pieces.  Elmo and Albert were average at best.  El Ghazi was pants, as was Hogan.  Try harder you pair of pansies.  Abraham going off hurt us in both boxes.

All in all, a very poor performance and I'm sure smith will say as much.  He needs a couple of windows to put this right as there are so many players who are not capable of playing the tippy tappy football he will want to play.  This season needs to be used to sort the squad out, rather than thinking we can really push for automatic promotion. 
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: jwarry on October 23, 2018, 09:49:58 PM
If dean is the man we think he is he will use this to start getting his message across
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: andyh on October 23, 2018, 09:50:06 PM
It was classic hourihane wasn't it?

Generally very pedestrian and slow / one footed. But another assist with a great ball in

Ultimately I don't think he can play the sort of crisp passing game that Smith wants
When he got robbed facing his own goal because he wanted too much time on the ball and ended up on all fours  watching the Norwich player run away from him, sums up too many of his performances.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on October 23, 2018, 09:50:29 PM
Disappointing but not panicking yet.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: CJ on October 23, 2018, 09:50:35 PM
Missed McGinn big time, then when Tammy and Albert went off we looked very poor. Think Deano got the substitution for Tammy wrong - should have brought Kodjia on rather than Hogan. El GHazi was shit compared to Albert but all in all we were pretty poor across the whole pitch in the second half, with the possible exception of Axel. It isn't going to change overnight - and I think tonight showed Smith the magnitude of the task in hand.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Tuscans on October 23, 2018, 09:50:39 PM
QPR are in a bit of form too....be another bitch of match if we play like we did tonight.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Nii Lamptey on October 23, 2018, 09:50:57 PM
I guess Smith has a better idea of what heís inherited now. If weíre not cut adrift by Xmas, weíll be Ďthere or thereaboutsí 😗

Positives
- Axel
- Tammy pre-injury

Negatives
- The rest of em
- Poor subs by Smith - Should have taken Jack off instead of Hourihane (at least he would have been a goal threat), and brought on Kodjia for Tammy instead of Hogan. If heís a goal scorer, iím Brad Pitt!
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Matt Collins on October 23, 2018, 09:50:59 PM
They're just not used to passing the ball with good movement. Indo think we've got the squad to do it though. But certain players just aren't going to fit in eventually.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: john e on October 23, 2018, 09:51:15 PM
Second half was every bit as good as a Bruce performance

I think there was only Grealish out there out of the whole team who could actually pass the ball
Norwich were far more comfortable on the ball in every area of the pitch

Taylor, Elmo, Ghazi, Hogan, Whelan the ball might as well have been a canon ball they are pish and will never be good enough to play the style Smith wants

wonder who signed that box of bollocks
 
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Risso on October 23, 2018, 09:51:42 PM
That was abject in every single department.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: paul_e on October 23, 2018, 09:51:57 PM
We looked as disjointed as we ver did under Bruce second half.  Yeah, couple of injuries didn't help, but our crossing and shooting is criminally bad and yet again we get bullied by small town clubs with average players.

The bad:
Hogan - Shit.
El Ghazi - worse (they looked like they stopped passing to him after his first couple of touches which is deeply concerning)
Hourahane - pedestrian

The better:
Tuanzebe's best game.  Grealish tried to make things happen, but always looks like he's waiting to be clattered rather than making something happen.  He needs to sort that out quickly. 

Smith will get to grips with it I'm sure, but that was truly poor after the first 10 minutes.

On grealish, I agree he was poor but there was one point, on about the hour, where he had the ball near the edge of their box and he turned backwards and forwards about 4-5 times and literally no one moved to make a pass for him, Taylor, El Ghazi and Hogan all hid behind defenders, i think he eventually played it a few yards in front of Hourihane to get him to move.  After that he started playing for free kicks.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 23, 2018, 09:53:35 PM
Jack wasnít any good, he was incredibly ponderous. When he did pass it generally was too slow and put players in trouble. Obviously not alone in being poor but I expect so much more from him.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: jwarry on October 23, 2018, 09:53:40 PM
Second half was every bit as good as a Bruce performance

I think there was only Grealish out there out of the whole team who could actually pass the ball
Norwich were far more comfortable on the ball in every area of the pitch

Taylor, Elmo, Ghazi, Hogan, Whelan the ball might as well have been a canon ball they are pish and will never be good enough to play the style Smith wants

wonder who signed that box of bollocks
 

There lies the rub...
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Taylor on October 23, 2018, 09:54:26 PM
I wanted Bruce gone too, albeit later than most. However I didn't see any more attacking intent tonight. Had he still been in charge he would have blamed for that shite performance.

Maybe our players are just rubbish.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: London Villan on October 23, 2018, 09:54:33 PM
Smith was always going to give Hogan a chance, i think he had one touch in 40 minutes.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Matt Collins on October 23, 2018, 09:55:57 PM
It was classic hourihane wasn't it?

Generally very pedestrian and slow / one footed. But another assist with a great ball in

Ultimately I don't think he can play the sort of crisp passing game that Smith wants
When he got robbed facing his own goal because he wanted too much time on the ball and ended up on all fours  watching the Norwich player run away from him, sums up too many of his performances.

God that was bad. Just took a touch, looked up and before he looked down again the ball was gone

Mcginn is twice the player he is. Just needs to deliver the ball better
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: jwarry on October 23, 2018, 09:56:02 PM
Jack wasnít any good, he was incredibly ponderous. When he did pass it generally was too slow and put players in trouble. Obviously not alone in being poor but I expect so much more from him.

I really donít understand these comments, heís the only player we have that is capable of playing the way Dean wants us to play
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: jwarry on October 23, 2018, 09:56:58 PM
Smith was always going to give Hogan a chance, i think he had one touch in 40 minutes.

Did he? I think I missed it!
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Nev on October 23, 2018, 09:57:40 PM
Kodja and BB as the subs may have got us a result.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 23, 2018, 09:57:51 PM
Jack wasnít any good, he was incredibly ponderous. When he did pass it generally was too slow and put players in trouble. Obviously not alone in being poor but I expect so much more from him.

I really donít understand these comments, heís the only player we have that is capable of playing the way Dean wants us to play

He might well be, but he wasnít that player tonight. I donít dispute heís potentially very good, hence my disappointment, but he wasnít good enough tonight.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Villa Lew on October 23, 2018, 09:58:03 PM
Good 1st half and started well the 2nd, until the double substitution, then it was downhill all the way. Good news SJM will be back on Friday, but it'll be another tough game, QPR won 3 nil tonight.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: aj2k77 on October 23, 2018, 09:58:40 PM
That was just fucking cack again. Still at least I won't have to listen to Bruce insult my intelligence.

I'm still amazed with the defense that we've entered the season with, that goalkeeper is atrocious.

Fair to say McGinn and Bjarnasson are head and shoulders above Hourihane and Whelan.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Rigadon on October 23, 2018, 09:59:10 PM
Grealish was still one of our better players for my money, despite playing on his own for periods. 
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: aj2k77 on October 23, 2018, 09:59:37 PM
Some of our players are just generally abysmal.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: LukeJames on October 23, 2018, 09:59:56 PM
Its going to take time, Im certain that we will have two new enegetic fullbacks come january. Taylor was so poor again and offers nothing getting forward.

Big big job turning round the mindset of the players that he intends to keep, also our energy levels are appauling. Come 60 minutes we were fucked while Norwich were chasing down every ball.

Norwich are in a rebuildimg process very similar to ours snd it showed that they are further down the line than we are, I can see a few more of these types of performances this season were by we start well and then fade, I'm convinced we've got the right set up and men in charge going forward though.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: London Villan on October 23, 2018, 10:00:19 PM
At least Grealish was playing in his correct position.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: ez on October 23, 2018, 10:01:15 PM
How many set pieces did we have in that second half and how many were a quality ball in?
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: CT on October 23, 2018, 10:02:31 PM
A few people saying it was "the wrong type of game" for Hogan to come on in.

I'm certainly beginning to think football is definitely not Scott's type of game. 
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Rudy65 on October 23, 2018, 10:02:37 PM
Grealish was still one of our better players for my money, despite playing on his own for periods.

Flatters to deceive
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Rigadon on October 23, 2018, 10:02:49 PM
How many set pieces did we have in that second half and how many were a quality ball in?

Yes and the set piece deliveries were miles better than open play! 
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Dr_Fegg on October 23, 2018, 10:03:22 PM
It was classic hourihane wasn't it?

Generally very pedestrian and slow / one footed. But another assist with a great ball in

Ultimately I don't think he can play the sort of crisp passing game that Smith wants
When he got robbed facing his own goal because he wanted too much time on the ball and ended up on all fours  watching the Norwich player run away from him, sums up too many of his performances.
Finally lots more people agreeing with me. Said he was a show pony last season, his workrate is poor but his "tracking" is bordering on pathetic
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: manic-road on October 23, 2018, 10:03:26 PM
Deflated after watching that, Norwich were good but the enforced substitutions made us a lot poorer.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on October 23, 2018, 10:03:54 PM
Grealish was still one of our better players for my money, despite playing on his own for periods.

Agreed.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on October 23, 2018, 10:04:09 PM
Jack wasnít any good, he was incredibly ponderous. When he did pass it generally was too slow and put players in trouble. Obviously not alone in being poor but I expect so much more from him.

I really donít understand these comments, heís the only player we have that is capable of playing the way Dean wants us to play
I agree, Jack constantly showed for the ball, tried to carry the ball, passed to a team mate and had absolutely no help from any one.
And was getting fouled relentlessly with no protection from the ref.
Imagine how bad that performance would have been without Jack.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Richard on October 23, 2018, 10:04:53 PM
Got to give it time but I've seen enough in 2 games to know we have the right manager.

New goalie and full backs the absolute priority.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Meanwood Villa on October 23, 2018, 10:06:05 PM
That was crap.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Rudy65 on October 23, 2018, 10:06:20 PM
Jack wasnít any good, he was incredibly ponderous. When he did pass it generally was too slow and put players in trouble. Obviously not alone in being poor but I expect so much more from him.

I really donít understand these comments, heís the only player we have that is capable of playing the way Dean wants us to play
I agree, Jack constantly showed for the ball, tried to carry the ball, passed to a team mate and had absolutely no help from any one.
And was getting fouled relentlessly with no protection from the ref.
Imagine how bad that performance would have been without Jack.

I wouldnt have noticed if he didnít play. Not incisive enough.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: clash city rocker on October 23, 2018, 10:07:57 PM
One thing we lack is leaders. We just don't seem to have one.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: in exile on October 23, 2018, 10:08:09 PM
Hutton has run out of steam and needs replacing but that is/was just one of a number of problems.
A lot wrong tonight
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Villa75 on October 23, 2018, 10:09:04 PM
Grealish was still one of our better players for my money, despite playing on his own for periods.

What you got? Old pound notes!?

We're relying on him way too much, and he's not delivering.

Time to try something different.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: The_ads on October 23, 2018, 10:09:08 PM
The following need to be despatched

Neil Taylor
Conor Hourihane
Alan Hutton
Every goalkeeper at the club
Scott Hogan
El Ghazi

Note to Jack Grealish - get fucking over it mate you play for Aston Villa on a fat contract
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: andyh on October 23, 2018, 10:09:44 PM
Having one of the oldest squads in the division (at the moment) is going to make Smiths job very difficult.
Norwich we running rings round us from midway in the second half and most of our lot were blowing out of their arses.
Infact, Iíd say Norwich played how we hope to be playing.

Itís going to take time to get this team to playing at that high tempo and for a full 90 minutes. Hopefully there are some kids ready to break through?
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Villafirst on October 23, 2018, 10:09:53 PM
Mcginn and Bjarnason were both hugely missed tonight. Tammy and Albert going off within minutes of each other ruined our shape. 
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 23, 2018, 10:10:32 PM
Iím not disputing Jack is potentially is an excellent player, but he needs to take ownership and drive this team on.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on October 23, 2018, 10:11:02 PM
Jack wasnít any good, he was incredibly ponderous. When he did pass it generally was too slow and put players in trouble. Obviously not alone in being poor but I expect so much more from him.

I really donít understand these comments, heís the only player we have that is capable of playing the way Dean wants us to play
I agree, Jack constantly showed for the ball, tried to carry the ball, passed to a team mate and had absolutely no help from any one.
And was getting fouled relentlessly with no protection from the ref.
Imagine how bad that performance would have been without Jack.

I wouldnt have noticed if he didnít play. Not incisive enough.
You mean like Elmo, Hourihane and  Whelan ?
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on October 23, 2018, 10:11:12 PM
Look on the bright side we've got an 8 point buffer to the bottom 3.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Des Little on October 23, 2018, 10:12:12 PM
My take on it...better passing in general play, but no cutting edge/final ball to do any kind of damage. I donít think we troubled their keeper one bit in the second half, and the crossing was at best frustrating - Taylor is a shocking player, and El Ghazi is either nowhere near fit or simply cannot be arsed. For me, Axel was our best player tonight - looked composed and dealt with most that came his way from what I saw. Deano has a lot to do but I have no doubt that in time he will...I think we are in for a up and down season thatís for sure.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: andyh on October 23, 2018, 10:13:36 PM
Iím not disputing Jack is potentially is an excellent player, but he needs to take ownership and drive this team on.
I thought thatís exactly what he tried to do tonight.
Infact, I think think the rest of the team left him with that responsibility as well because after Albert and Tammy went off, Jack had no real support from anyone.
The kid canít do it all on his own.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: rougegorge on October 23, 2018, 10:13:51 PM
Whilst I agree with Smith in his post match interview about the poor defending on crosses, I'm not sure that I agree that we didn't deserve to lose. Krul could have put out the deckchair in the second half.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: malckennedy on October 23, 2018, 10:15:15 PM
The following need to be despatched

Neil Taylor
Conor Hourihane
Alan Hutton
Every goalkeeper at the club
Scott Hogan
El Ghazi

Note to Jack Grealish - get fucking over it mate you play for Aston Villa on a fat contract

Absolutely agree with your list of those to be fucked off! All of them totally crap.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Newby on October 23, 2018, 10:16:19 PM
Whilst I agree with Smith in his post match interview about the poor defending on crosses, I'm not sure that I agree that we didn't deserve to lose. Krul could have put out the deckchair in the second half.

I don't recall Norwich testing Nyland either though mate, apart from the crosses in to the box.  They had more possession and looked more dangerous than we did, although didn't do a great deal with it.  I disagree with him that we deserved a draw though.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on October 23, 2018, 10:17:23 PM
The following need to be despatched:

The team.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: garyshawsknee on October 23, 2018, 10:17:40 PM
To be fair, we lost to the in form team in the league, we suffered due to injuries, our new manager hasn't had much time on the training pitch with the squad. Tonight shows our squad is bloated and poor in areas, but we all new that anyway. Jack looked good with Tammy up front and a little lost when he went off. We'll win on Friday and put this one down to experience.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: aj2k77 on October 23, 2018, 10:18:22 PM
I know all goals are preventable in general but firstly again Nyland showed how fucking poor he is physically on corners. Total liability. Secondly I'm sick of how easy it is for the opposition to get crosses in, we don't put enough pressure on the crosser to cut the ball out, Hutton at fault again for me tonight he just didn't work hard enough to block the cross for the second, he put in one of those half hearted semi jump towards the direction of the ball efforts.

This defense is pish. We are going to concede bucket loads this season.

Anyone know what Bolasie was up to? Another injured player taken a punt on?
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: brontebilly on October 23, 2018, 10:19:37 PM
Disappointing display 2nd half, poor substitutions, Jack Grealish looks increasingly like Stephen Ireland mk II and weíve a liability in goal. Pretty shit really.

Was going to post the exact same pal. Overplaying the ball in areas of the pitch that don't matter, weak as piss in the tackle, all fart no shit.... just like Stephen Ireland.

Grealish and Chester have been awful this season. Two best players in their positions in the division last season but their lack of leadership has been exposed this season.

Two games in, no discernible improvement. Team selections and substitutions that Bruce would have been cabbaged for. Until Smith brings his own players in then I can't seeing us improving under him.

Some fundamental issues in that squad. Goalkeeper, full backs, lack of balance in midfield, lack of a dominant centre half, host of players unsuited to Smith's style of play, core of players long past their best. We are at nothing.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 23, 2018, 10:20:08 PM
Iím not disputing Jack is potentially is an excellent player, but he needs to take ownership and drive this team on.
I thought thatís exactly what he tried to do tonight.
Infact, I think think the rest of the team left him with that responsibility as well because after Albert and Tammy went off, Jack had no real support from anyone.
The kid canít do it all on his own.

But ownership doesnít mean you have to do everything yourself. It just means you need to make the right decisions to drive the team on. Jack is obviously not alone tonight, several players were really poor, but Jack is the player who we expect the most from.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: paul_e on October 23, 2018, 10:20:39 PM
The following need to be despatched

Neil Taylor
Conor Hourihane
Alan Hutton
Every goalkeeper at the club
Scott Hogan
El Ghazi

Note to Jack Grealish - get fucking over it mate you play for Aston Villa on a fat contract

I'd give el Ghazi a bit more time but i agreecon the rest. First change should be Bree for Hutton, his defending was piss poor for both goals tonight because his positioning is shit.

The narrower front 3 we tried to play at times won't workcwith current fullbacks.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: aj2k77 on October 23, 2018, 10:21:33 PM
I'd rather have our u23 keeper between the sticks than Nyland.... and I haven't ever watched him play. How many goals already could arguably be put down to him?
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: clash city rocker on October 23, 2018, 10:21:57 PM
Disappointed but won't let it affect the taste of my breakfast in the morning. My poached eggs on toast will be supplemented by numerous pickled onions so that when I get to work the smug nose who will have arrived early and be sat there ready to gloat can get the full smell as I walk past and let rip.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithe on October 23, 2018, 10:23:43 PM
I thought our problems were ones that at least superficially, should be easy to solve. We werenít agressive enough without the ball, when we had it we didnít move the ball quickly enough and took too many touches in the attacking areas.

El Ghazi looks like heíll need a few weeks in the gym before being ready for games and Hogan looked like Hogan, a bit self indulgent from Deano I thought.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on October 23, 2018, 10:25:19 PM
Blues are now 2nd in the Ďfinish above the villaí league table.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Newby on October 23, 2018, 10:26:29 PM
Abraham, Grealish, Tuanzebe, Chester, McGinn and BB.  I only include Chester because he can be a very good player but hasn't impressed me so far this season yet.  Build a team around these players. 

The rest of the squad can be replaced with others.  Nyland is a liability, Hutton lacks concentration, Taylor is just shit, Hourihane believes in his own hype, Lansbury can't be bothered, Whelan and Jedinak are over the hill, although I think Jedinak just isn't a Smith type player,  Hogan is a complete lightweight, he needs to be a whole lot braver than he's being.  Lots of them aren't capable of changing too much, despite Smith saying that they are coachable.  We need a younger, more energetic squad.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Villafirst on October 23, 2018, 10:26:48 PM
Tuanzebe was very good tonight, encouraging. I can't see why O'Hare is ignored - surely he'd add a bit more flair to the midfield?
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 23, 2018, 10:27:21 PM
Sky 'highlights' (https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/competitions/championship/11533762/norwich-2-1-aston-villa)

Sky interview (https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/competitions/championship/11533841/smith-disappointed-by-defending)

OS interview https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1054842526618796032
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: curiousorange on October 23, 2018, 10:28:33 PM
I subscribe to the Clough-Taylor feeling on goalkeepers - the right one gets you ten points a season. We don't have the right one.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: brontebilly on October 23, 2018, 10:32:17 PM
Hutton has run out of steam and needs replacing but that is/was just one of a number of problems.
A lot wrong tonight

Right back is the one position we have options though.

Elmo - the solid option and decent defensively and in the air.

Bree - promise going forward and on the ball, crap defensively though, particularly in the air.

Hutton was our best full back last season but its a season too far, also see Jedinak, Whelan and Kodjia.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: curiousorange on October 23, 2018, 10:34:15 PM
I would start to ease Bree into the team. Yeah, not great defensively, but our crossing is lacking and goals make any side look more than the sum of its parts.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: ROBBO on October 23, 2018, 10:34:42 PM
All doom and gloom but until the injuries came we were on top, Hogan and El Ghazi were shocking and that told the story of the game our shape went because those two didn't or couldn't tackle ,chase or cover.
Hogan is a one dimensional player anywhere outside the penalty box he gives nothing, El Ghazi just looked lost.
We have some poor players Taylor didn't do a lot wrong but never looks comfortable on the ball, Hutton has had his day and Bree should be given his chance, as others have mentioned tonight will have shown Smith more than if we had scraped a win.
I think we will see a lot of players moved on in January.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: villadelph on October 23, 2018, 10:36:20 PM
Can anyone explain to me how Scott Hogan is still a professional footballer. Honest to god, the kid does absolutely nothing. Can't come back and get the ball to build up, can't run on to a ball, can't shoot from distance, can't receive a pass. What the hell has he done to get ahead of Kodjia? I don't care if it's his first action of the year, it's been consistently poor form for as long as I can remember. I hope that smith doesn't think he can still get something out of him.

El Ghazi.. is.. terrible. Just a truly terrible player. He dresses and walks the part, but when it comes to actually beating a defender off the dribble, being quick in possession or playing a ball a cross he just can't do it. Not in this league, and definitely not in the PL. He takes the most laboring, slow steps when he approaches a defender. He looks painfully slow for someone who is supposed to be a tricky, skilled winger. No need for him, send him back to France.

Whelan needs to just be bombsquaded. He's the dCM that it supposed to sure things up when your up 1-0 and I feel like instead he invites pressure and we inevitably fail miserably. He's old, he's slow, he's past it. He doesn't advance the ball. We don't need a shield for the back four when we're playing 5 midfielders. He brings nothing to the game. He'll break up play maybe two times a game.. and quite frankly after the missed pen he's not the type of player I want on the pitch.. ever.

Nyland is soft. I'm sorry, the second goal might've been a tough save but damn I'm sure Johnstone would've at least gotten down for it. I just don't like him, he doesn't inspire confidence.

I'm not mad at Hourihane, I just think he's an average player that is always trying hard to show that flash in the pan.

And lastly, Jack Fucking Grealish. What do you do jack? What exactly does jack do? Well, Jack does jack. Instead of CONSTANTLY initiating contact can you just get beyond a defender. Can ya shoot the damn ball? Can you slot in a pass to a slashing forward. He should be galloping through this league. Instead, he's rolling around in the grass with no ACTUAL urgency to get a goal.

Norwich might be in decent form atm, but that team is trash. It's almost comical that our squad cannot get results against some of these championship clubs. We should be running over teams.. Bruce, Smith whoever is in the box.

I have faith in Dean, but my god our players have to have some gumption to go out and do a freakin job.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Matt Collins on October 23, 2018, 10:36:23 PM
The problem with moving players on is the lack of realistic buyers
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: curiousorange on October 23, 2018, 10:39:42 PM
I agree with that point about Norwich being in good form. I've literally only heard of Jordan Rhodes in that side - the core of a side which made the play-off final last season should be pissing all over them.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Newby on October 23, 2018, 10:40:38 PM
The problem with moving players on is the lack of realistic buyers

True.  And the fact that so many of them are on very decent money and won't want to take the hit.  At least Jedinak, Whelan and Hutton are out of contract in the summer. 
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on October 23, 2018, 10:41:26 PM
And Micah.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Newby on October 23, 2018, 10:42:32 PM
And Micah.

Very true!! Plenty of FFP dosh right there.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: brontebilly on October 23, 2018, 10:46:41 PM
Tuanzebe was very good tonight, encouraging. I can't see why O'Hare is ignored - surely he'd add a bit more flair to the midfield?

I dont see Smith ignoring the likes of O'Hare and Doyle-Hayes for much longer.

There are big changes imminent in our squad I expect.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: curiousorange on October 23, 2018, 10:49:16 PM
Those younger players will be blooded and no mistake. If the first team can't play the way Smith wants then a younger, more malleable footballer will become a better option.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Matt Collins on October 23, 2018, 10:49:43 PM
Given the injuries there must be a chance for O'Hare to come into the squad on Friday

Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: villadelph on October 23, 2018, 10:51:36 PM
Those younger players will be blooded and no mistake. If the first team can't play the way Smith wants then a younger, more malleable footballer will become a better option.

100%

Can't wait for it honestly.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: The_ads on October 23, 2018, 10:55:13 PM
Those younger players will be blooded and no mistake. If the first team can't play the way Smith wants then a younger, more malleable footballer will become a better option.

100%

Can't wait for it honestly.


Same here. In fact Iíd take another season in this shit league
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: myf on October 23, 2018, 10:55:51 PM
I agree with that point about Norwich being in good form. I've literally only heard of Jordan Rhodes in that side - the core of a side which made the play-off final last season should be pissing all over them.

except they pissed all over us just before we made the play offs last season. 3-1 I think?
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Newby on October 23, 2018, 10:56:15 PM
Another season in this league?  I think you're gonna get that anyway the_ads.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: saunders_heroes on October 23, 2018, 10:56:36 PM
Second half from hell tonight. That defence and keeper will prevent us going up.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: clash city rocker on October 23, 2018, 10:59:57 PM
Second half from hell tonight. That defence and keeper will prevent us going up.

We ain't going up this season. We just need to sort ourselves out.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: The Edge on October 23, 2018, 11:03:08 PM
Jack wasnít any good, he was incredibly ponderous. When he did pass it generally was too slow and put players in trouble. Obviously not alone in being poor but I expect so much more from him.
His last couple of efforts we're really frustrating. A free kick straight into the wall and with our final chance a corner that never went above waist height and was easily cleared. Might help if his shorts weren't tight enough to strangle his bollox. Having said that he was messi esque compared to  some of our players tonight.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: myf on October 23, 2018, 11:04:12 PM
Second half from hell tonight. That defence and keeper will prevent us going up.

We ain't going up this season. We just need to sort ourselves out.

I agree but galling when you see that it's going to be a poor standard this year. big error holding on to Bruce in the summer
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: The_ads on October 23, 2018, 11:07:21 PM
We can finish 6th. Still 32 games to go.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on October 23, 2018, 11:10:24 PM
Second half from hell tonight. That defence and keeper will prevent us going up.

We ain't going up this season. We just need to sort ourselves out.

I agree but galling when you see that it's going to be a poor standard this year. big error holding on to Bruce in the summer

Considering we've only won 4 games I'd say it's a minor miracle we're only 8 points off the top 2. We won't be troubling them but does show the difference in standard to last season when Wolves were really on another level and Fulham also morphed into a bottom half prem team after xmas.

Teams nowhere near that standard this time.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: David_Nab on October 23, 2018, 11:12:19 PM
Norwich have a good team, a team that their managed has shaped over 18 months to get to where they where ,not long ago he was under pressure of the sack.We don't have a team we have a bunch of players picked out by Bruce with little thought of how to put them together as a team beyond trial and error !

Let's consider that we feel behind and got worse after Adomah went off , Adomah who was close to leaving after we brought in 2 more Wingers yet he is still our best option there .Elmo the same , generally his crossing his decent but his delivery tonight was shocking and when his delivery is letting him down it becomes more noticeable that as a winger he doesn't have the greatest ability to beat a full back with pace or skill .

Houriane continues to be an engima ..he gets goals , he gets assists but in general play his is a left footed Whelan he can't run with ball, he doesn't pick out any forward pass's and keeps it simple passing ...when not being out muscled or being done for pace which happens alot !WIth his set plays and goals you feel like he should be playing but then he general play is so non existent especially compared to McGinn I can't make a case to starting him.

You see teams who just fail to go up struggle the following season ,that's what we are seeing especially in Jack and Chester who both don't seem at 100% .In terms of Jack I felt he got more into the game as it went along but at times you just want him to shoot or be more direct his natural talent has got him this far but he needs so decent coaching at this stage of his career.

Overall you can see we are trying to pass it more and press the ball but we have a lack of pace and mobility in the side which is hampering this. At the back we have a keeper who looks suspect with balls into the area ( we have conceded 10 goals from set pieces ) and full backs who are limited.Midfield ( without McGinn) lacks any dynamism and whilst Tammy was miles better than Hogan he still wasn't holding the ball up well enough for my liking

Tuanzebe was the big positive tonight.When you see him play like that at CB it's baffling to have had Jedinek over him there let alone playing him at RB !!
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: clash city rocker on October 23, 2018, 11:19:29 PM
Second half from hell tonight. That defence and keeper will prevent us going up.

We ain't going up this season. We just need to sort ourselves out.

I agree but galling when you see that it's going to be a poor standard this year. big error holding on to Bruce in the summer

Looking back we didn't have much choice but to keep Bruce. After the play off,s things unravelled quite quickly and we were lucky to get saved in the end. The new owners needed time to look at things and quite quickly they saw the light. We just need time now for that light to become a beacon.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: ktvillan on October 23, 2018, 11:24:49 PM
Smith has been left with a duff hand by Bruce in defence and keeper, and we all have to make the best of it until January.  The players are having to re-learn playing proper football.  I guess we will continue to find it difficult against in-form sides like Norwich until Smith's methods start to take hold and he gets to know his resources better.  Hopefully he can do it fairly quickly.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: curiousorange on October 23, 2018, 11:27:52 PM
The trouble is, there comes a point where your form is so bad that every other side is comparatively 'in-form'.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: sickbeggar on October 23, 2018, 11:47:57 PM
Early days. Can't polish a turd in 2 games
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: OzVilla on October 23, 2018, 11:55:32 PM
Second half from hell tonight. That defence and keeper will prevent us going up.

We ain't going up this season. We just need to sort ourselves out.

I agree but galling when you see that it's going to be a poor standard this year. big error holding on to Bruce in the summer

Looking back we didn't have much choice but to keep Bruce. After the play off,s things unravelled quite quickly and we were lucky to get saved in the end. The new owners needed time to look at things and quite quickly they saw the light. We just need time now for that light to become a beacon.

Agreed, if weíd potted Bruce after the play off final with what then transpired financially weíd have Mick McCarthy in charge now. My only criticism of the owners is iíd Have got shot of Bruce a few weeks earlier.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: murfee on October 24, 2018, 12:12:44 AM
Disappointing display 2nd half, poor substitutions, Jack Grealish looks increasingly like Stephen Ireland mk II and weíve a liability in goal. Pretty shit really.

Was going to post the exact same pal. Overplaying the ball in areas of the pitch that don't matter, weak as piss in the tackle, all fart no shit.... just like Stephen Ireland.

Grealish and Chester have been awful this season. Two best players in their positions in the division last season but their lack of leadership has been exposed this season.

Two games in, no discernible improvement. Team selections and substitutions that Bruce would have been cabbaged for. Until Smith brings his own players in then I can't seeing us improving under him.

Some fundamental issues in that squad. Goalkeeper, full backs, lack of balance in midfield, lack of a dominant centre half, host of players unsuited to Smith's style of play, core of players long past their best. We are at nothing.

Bad substitutions.....he had no choice.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: TonyD on October 24, 2018, 12:17:45 AM
Rome wasnít built in a day.
But, Hogan was the wrong sub.
Taylor isnít very good.
Over to you Mr Smith.   Any Mr Terry sort the defence.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Drummond on October 24, 2018, 12:47:07 AM
Not read the thread yet. Been out tonight and just finished watching as live.

Bloody hell. Shows the new coaches haven't had enough time yet. There were some promising signs of trying to play a passing game, just a shame they are starting from the back with players who havenít the confidence.

Nyland. FFS
Hutton. Erm
Tuanzebe. Looking good.
Chester. Too many mistakes at the moment.
Taylor. Not helped much but just can't control or pass a football right now.
Whelan.
Hourihane. Tries to hard.
Albert. Average.
Elmo. Crossing not good enough.
Grealish. Won plenty of free kicks.
Abraham. Looks good to me,

Hogan. Wrong system for him. Or he's wrong for the system.
ElGhazi. Erm. Tries hard but he plays like me; his body can't do what his brain tells it to.
Kodjia.  Not enough time.

Shame we've only 2 days until QPR, another day of training lost and we need it.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: footyskillz on October 24, 2018, 12:48:28 AM
Nyland 5 : failure in commanding area at set pieces. Was rarely tested .
Wasteful in long range kicking out and pass backs when ever kicking long.

Tuanzebe 7.5 : made tackles , clearances and interceptions and was best of the defence.  90 % passing rate. Struggled again with some high balls and aerial duels but has good recovery pace.

Chester 6: scored goal made decent clearances but was slow to block the ball for the Norwich winning goal.

Hutton 5 : poor position play and defending in conceding goals
Did few Sprint runs and working a tandem with elmohamedys but tired and offered little in moving ball forward though did some good moves with and without ball in Norwich half in first 40 mins

Taylor 4: giving away fouls and being booked
Being dispossessed on ball.
1 threatening cross and failure to deliver anything else attacking wise accurately.
Gave away ball most with attempts at long balls . Played most long balls and not many reacted a villa player.

Whelan 7: passing accuracy at 90% good in what he did . Lacked agression but did do occasional press.
Was the better of the 2 Irish midfield.
2nd most touches on the ball in villa shirt . Need someone more dynamic in play but does a job away from home.

Hourihane 5.5:
Assisting goal with good contribution in corner delivery
Played some most accurate  crosses 3/5.
Yet over hit set pieces and lacked accuracy in shooting off target with 2 efforts .
Lack of energy  in pressing and attempts at playing forward passing.
Losing possession
Having too many bad touches and unforced errors when on the ball.
Attempted 1 forward thru ball which failed.

Grealish 6: winning free kicks around the box and drawing fouls but  losing possession and some poor passing.

Adomah 6 : 4 crosses only 1 accurate
22 touches, passes ball 7 times, 2 shots both off target. Was getting more into thing before injury

Elmohamedys 5.5 : Started well pressed forward and delivered a decent cross but faded a lot second half  and was lacking in crossing and lost ball both when in possession and often when he tired to play passes  .
1 accurate cross from 7 .

Abrahams 6: giving ball away with continued worst passing  rate at 63%
Pressed but struggle to be totally immerse in play.
Hit post with a chance
Injured being kicked in head.

Hogan 3: had 4 touches in 40 minutes

Kodjia 4.5: 6 touches 1 foul

El Ghazhi5: 1 blocked shot , 1 great delivery which could have result in a goal had Kodija or Abrahams been where hogan was.

 
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: TonyD on October 24, 2018, 12:52:18 AM
Dean has had hardly a week to sort the ingrained shit basket left in his lap.
Chill. UTV
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: footyskillz on October 24, 2018, 01:09:42 AM
Still only 3 points off top 6 remarkably which is one positive to desperately cling onto...
Yes that's quite right ..
Though after other matches on Wednesday evening could be 4 or 5.bristol and forest to play their matches...

See how goes but the play off places are certainly attainable. Good to remain positive
 
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Ads on October 24, 2018, 03:53:47 AM
Just got back.

I cannot fathom what Chester was doing for the goal.

Thought it was a tight and poor quality game. Full backs poor, midfield not the legs or drive and two injuries in quick succession to our best performers ruined cohesion.

Onto Friday!
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: mr underhill on October 24, 2018, 05:26:46 AM
A total shambles - we are a  banana republic of a side and I wouldn't miss one single player from the senior squad that actually belongs to us. Fuck knows what Dean does in January as the squad is already bloated beyond a month old road kill badger. I suspect he's going to limit expenditure to the absolute essentials simply to keep us in the league. OPR will beat us comfortably on last night's performance, and the thought of Small Heath loitering just outside the top six makes it even worse. Hats off to all those with better belief and optimism, but any talk of a play off place is bollocks in my humble opinion. I don't usually like conspiracy theories but I'm beginning to think Bruce's recruitment policy was a very deliberate act of sabotage.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Matt Collins on October 24, 2018, 05:48:06 AM
I think some people are going way overboard on how bad that was

Our keeper hardly had a save to make. He still conceded two because he's not very good

We could easily have been two up and we lost two attackers in a minute against the in form team in the league

Various problems and lots to work on. But lots to work with too
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: TaxDodger on October 24, 2018, 07:35:10 AM
Brentford have a very good goalkeeper in Daniel Bentley and a very good centre half in Chris Mepham. Just sayin'.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Three Spires Villa on October 24, 2018, 07:37:07 AM
Yes we could have been two goals up, but we were not. We need to take our chances.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Chris Smith on October 24, 2018, 07:39:44 AM
Scrappy game but I though until the injuries we were slightly the better side. Having 2 go off in quick succession disrupted us and, as Smith said, if Abraham had been on the pitch for the corner for their equaliser he would be on the front post and likely headed it away.

I doubt that the manager has had time yet to properly assess the full squad but after Friday the schedule is a bit less hectic which will hopefully give him more opportunity.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: charleeco7 on October 24, 2018, 07:49:46 AM
People really do go over the top on here when we lose. Yes some performances werenít great but we all know where we are short (left back, centre half and keeper is poor). Norwich are on a roll so was always going to be a tough game. Injuries changed the game and we could have easily drew. Axel was superb and is going to be done player. Jack needs a rest though.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Newby on October 24, 2018, 08:01:13 AM
Axle WAS good, but he still ducks under the ball and did so for their first goal. Elmo and Hutton badly exposed for their winner but Chester, what were you doing?  If we could sign Axel, I'd bring in another centre back and he'd be the longer term replacement for Chester. Injuries did us last night unfortunately and Smith needs coaching time with them all.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Ads on October 24, 2018, 08:05:37 AM
I agree. There's some right over the top bollocks on here,good lord.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: AV82EC on October 24, 2018, 08:12:28 AM
Yep, early days, whatís good is Smith havenít no 3 games in 6 days is learning about some of this lot and what they can or canít do. McGinn and Barney back on Friday.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Ads on October 24, 2018, 08:19:08 AM
People really do go over the top on here when we lose. Yes some performances werenít great but we all know where we are short (left back, centre half and keeper is poor). Norwich are on a roll so was always going to be a tough game. Injuries changed the game and we could have easily drew. Axel was superb and is going to be done player. Jack needs a rest though.

Did either keeper make a save? We were marginally better first half, them second half when Albert and Tammy went off.

Losing Tammy's height from the corner didn't help and Chester ought to be staked out for letting Rhodes get in front of him, utterly woeful from him.

We lost cohesion with the two injuries. Hogan didn't have the same awkward presence and didn't work anywhere near as hard.

El Ghazi played his first minutes since 1st September in a new league, yet he's awful according to the same few drama llamas. Jesus Christ.

Midfield was a problem for me; Thor and McGinn give us energy to drive the game on. Hourihane and Whelan do neither, even if Whelan can move the ball a bit quicker.

Plenty to work on, but for me it was a pretty poor game. You could hear a pin drop throughout most, which tells it's own story.

First time I'd seen Norwich and no idea who any of them are,but you could see they've got that confidence.

Chester does his job, we'd still be there now and neither keeper would have their gloves dirty.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Mister E on October 24, 2018, 08:20:53 AM
The biggest issue Fistface left us with was at keeper. From the get-go, we could see that we'd traded a decent keeper (Steer) for 2 duds. It's from the keeper that defenders either reinforce their confidence or get the jitters.
Priority above all else is to sort that position out.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: eamonn on October 24, 2018, 08:40:45 AM
A bit harsh on Chester, it was a sublime bit of movement and finishing from Rhodes who is proven at this level.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: The Edge on October 24, 2018, 08:58:38 AM
A bit harsh on Chester, it was a sublime bit of movement and finishing from Rhodes who is proven at this level.
It was excellent from Rhodes we would be raving about that finish if it was one of ours. BUT it was a woeful effort from Chester to let it happen.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Ads on October 24, 2018, 09:02:09 AM
No it was awful defending.

He knows there's only one run Rhodes can make, he looks at him and just doesn't react to the cross.

There is no way Chester shouldn't be first to that ball. Utterly woeful defending and he knew it too.

People round me were shouting at Nyland. What games some people watch I have no idea.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: The Edge on October 24, 2018, 09:18:27 AM
Had time to sleep on it now. You can't underestimate just how unfortunate we were to lose Tammy & Albert in such quick succession. You just can't plan for that. As has been said we're crying out for fullbacks on both side. Hutton has finally passed his sell by date & Taylor just isn't good enough. The keeper is weak on crosses and that will cost us dearly in the long run. So those positions are priority number one to get sorted. A fit Jedinak would of been invaluable last night. Elmo is only consistent in his inconsistency. Going forward we need bring in Mcginn, Barney and Bolassie to replace Hourihane,Whelan and Elmo. Hogan seems totally lost so he should join the other misfits. We're stuck with the fullback and keeper situation till January. Last nights game come at us too quick especially with the form Norwich are showing. Even our normally boisterous following seemed bolloxed. So I guess  we were at the wrong place at the wrong time.
As ppl have said numerous times on here Rome wasn't built in a day. I fully expect that in a years time we'll be blowing away niggly ittle clubs like Norwich. UTV
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Badsastard on October 24, 2018, 09:27:03 AM
A game that demonstrates just how much work needs to be done on the training ground and in the January window.

Nylund was dreadful for their first, Chester woeful for their second.

Tuanzebe had an excellent game.

Jack hasn't been at his best but I think some of the criticism is unfair due to the fact that our movement off the ball is generally none existent apart from overlapping full backs which he finds regularly.

I'm confident we have the right management set up to take us forward.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: mr underhill on October 24, 2018, 09:27:34 AM
we've been saying we will be blowing away little clubs for years. And we never so. Plus that's a bit insulting to Norwich.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on October 24, 2018, 09:29:14 AM
SJM and THor back for Friday and Id bring
Bree in for RB  . Taylor looks so nervous and lost but unless Hutton replaces him there is no one .  Not sure how Adomah starts but with Yannick
playing PS4 and El Ronaldo looking poor maybe thats why , no idea why we have them and loan Green out.

Axel T was good.   Id like to see O'hare on the bench.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on October 24, 2018, 09:37:37 AM
First half we seemed to be playing to Smiths plan. Closing opponents down when we didn't have the ball and covering any spaces that were opening up as they attacked, making sure there was always someone available for a pass when we did have the ball and trying to keep moving. We were worthy of the lead. Second half, they scored and it all went to pot. The plan seemed to go out of the window.
The other point that sprung out to me was the fact that 5 of those players that started will not be good enough to play his system effectively so that we get the best out of it. Hutton, Taylor, Hourahane, Whelan and Adomah are either not quick enough, don't have the speed of thought or just don't have the technique to play it. The jury is out for me on Nyland and Tuenzebe. The others were ok that started.
Putting Elmo at right back and Bolasie right wing might help. Playing the 2 in the middle that started Saturday should help and playing Kodjia left instead of Adomah might be better. We have no other option at left back though.
Hogan looked poor but he has done it before for Smith so I wouldn't right him off. El Khazi on the other hand found his best position last Saturday. The most half hearted looking fucker we've had since Carlton Cole and we've certainly had plenty in between. Fucking awful player.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: The Edge on October 24, 2018, 09:39:02 AM
we've been saying we will be blowing away little clubs for years. And we never so. Plus that's a bit insulting to Norwich.
Well we now have a structure in place that genuinely gives us a chance of doing that. Did you see all the arms flapping every time the ref gave us a decision? Did you hear all the yelling and booing at Tammy & Albert just because both stayed down injured? Abraham had a kick in his head ffs. Small club syndrome. So no I couldn't give a flying fuck about insulting them.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Clampy on October 24, 2018, 09:40:17 AM
Like it's been said elsewhere, we looked fine until we were forced to make the two changes. We seemed to lose our momentum and game plan. I thought he messed up bringing on Hogan instead of Kodja and McGinn was missed but sitting out a game hopefully will have done him good.

Overall, disappointed but not gutted.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Drummond on October 24, 2018, 09:47:55 AM
No it was awful defending.

He knows there's only one run Rhodes can make, he looks at him and just doesn't react to the cross.

There is no way Chester shouldn't be first to that ball. Utterly woeful defending and he knew it too.

People round me were shouting at Nyland. What games some people watch I have no idea.

People shouting at Nyland because he is shit I suspect. He was at fault for the first but can't be blamed for the second. Though it's another notch against him.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Bad English on October 24, 2018, 09:53:57 AM
I wasn't allowed to watch the game but was supposed to go to a fado show in Lisbon. However, thanks to Mark Kelly, who kindly offered to meet up with us in a great little wine bar, for drinks before the depressing warbling began, SWMBO had such a good time tasting the delights of Douro that she decided to deaf the fado and we ended up having spatchcock churrasco chicken* in a restaurant instead. Result!**

* My arse is regretting it after I slathered on the piri-piri sauce.
** Not the Villa, obviously.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: footyskillz on October 24, 2018, 09:55:10 AM
Overall looking at things was a tight affair and not much in it.
Norwich were given more time and opportunity in second half as villa dropped off energy wise but were never overawed .

What was disappointing the attacking threat or lack of it .

Midfield:
The main difference being the midfield 2 of Leitner  and Trybull knew how to play their position, get challenges in and play ball effectively.

Striker:
The other big difference was Jordan Rhodes was given opportunity and scored 2 goals .

Hogan had 4 touches of the ball

Away form?
It was noted that Dean Smiths Brentford hadn't won away this season .
It's been noted his subs at Brentford have been largely ineffective.

Subs?
The subs made Hogan, Elghazi and Kodjia created little impact and the in game tactics didn't work.

A chance again against QPR.

Summary
A good encouraging first half where best opportunity fell to villa and some incisive attacking play was shown at times.

The injuries, subs and lack of quality in movement and passing ball forward saw  little major attacking threat after going behind however there are some positive signs as players adapt and both teams didn't make the keepers work and was a fairly balanced match.





Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on October 24, 2018, 10:03:24 AM
Whilst I'm not saying that the injuries didn't cause a wobble, they certainly shouldn't have de-railed our game plan to a huge extent, Adomah had been gash and nearly all the attacks where he was on the ball broke down and Tammy was largely chasing shadows (not his fault). Bringing Kodjia on for Tammy and El Khazi (or just playing 10 men) for Adomah shouldn't have changed things too dramatically.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Jon Crofts on October 24, 2018, 10:30:07 AM
You can't deny it, Norwich were (Paul Lambert) excellent & deserved the win.

Smith, Terry and everyone should now realise the enormity of the task at hand, there's still way too much dead wood and drifters in this team, I'm looking at you Taylor, Hourihane, Hutton, Hogan and as for our goalkeeper, fucking hell, where do you start?
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: mr underhill on October 24, 2018, 10:35:07 AM
by sending him back to the land of the trolls asap.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: footyskillz on October 24, 2018, 10:39:29 AM
Whilst I'm not saying that the injuries didn't cause a wobble, they certainly shouldn't have de-railed our game plan to a huge extent, Adomah had been gash and nearly all the attacks where he was on the ball broke down and Tammy was largely chasing shadows (not his fault). Bringing Kodjia on for Tammy and El Khazi (or just playing 10 men) for Adomah shouldn't have changed things too dramatically.

Kodjia could have scored or created something . He is a presence up front and on the ball despite his enigamatic ways can deliver a moment of quality or magic from absolute ability where hogan and many others could not .

He also could challenge their defenders effectively in the air and on the ground running at them , getting free kicks and trobling the players on bookings .

Hogan had 4 touches.

JK has a great leap and superb in the air  also may have been able to clear ball at near post heading away for equaliser
And also score if he was central striker from El ghazi sumptuous ball in which small gut hogan could only look at.

I fear he's not a Smith man and his lack of closing down would be a big factor.


Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: footyskillz on October 24, 2018, 10:48:12 AM
Also Adomah was coming into the match and that's why he got injured because he uses footy skillz and beat some players he was actually getting more involved.

Whereas granted Abraham chases and press but what was Tammy Abraham fault is his constantly giving ball away to Norwich with his loose passing. He's the worst player by far in not finding team mates
Clearly there is work on developing his game as a striker he's a decent goal scorer at this level but as proved at Swansea in premier league he wasn't up to much in all round abilities and why chelsea dont have him fact he's still championship level . 

In some ways he fits Bruce style but I think if he can find his team mates alot more then our attacking play can be more effective.

This is something can work on and being a striker includes general play he has the goal scoring ability just needs to add his link up and passing as it's below par by some way
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on October 24, 2018, 10:58:44 AM
As much as I like Abraham, I see no point whatsoever in signing him when have Kodjia, our own player, who scored (was it?) 20 odd goals in his first season and started this one with a couple or three. Especially when the defence needed so many reinforcements. But that's one for Bruce to explain.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on October 24, 2018, 11:43:31 AM
In terms of the subs, yes they turned the game but I can see what Smith was trying to do.

I can understand why he went for Hogan when Tammy went off.  Our press was working quite well and he probably thought Hogan would be better suited for that and with potential to nick one.  Obviously they scored with the next kick, Hogan was anonymous so it turned out to be a mistake.

Given our bench, El Ghazi seemed an obvious choice to replace Albert.  Again he was awful and in hindsight Kodjia would probably have been a better option.

Overall I thought Norwich were pretty neat and tidy, pressed well and moved the ball much better than us.  They didn't have many chances but were the better team.

When we had the ball we always looked under pressure and were never really comfortable in possession.  Taylor looked lost.  Hutton at least overlapped well and got in a few decent crosses one of which led to Tammy hitting the post.  His positioning on the first goal was awful and it wasn't the only time Rhodes was left unmarked from corners.

In the final analysis whilst Norwich were tidier there wasn't a great deal of difference in chances created.  We both scored from a corner.  Rhodes finished his chance and Tammy hit the post from his.  But we look miles from a promotion team and I only hope Smith can work his magic quickly.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: tomd2103 on October 24, 2018, 11:49:07 AM
The other point that sprung out to me was the fact that 5 of those players that started will not be good enough to play his system effectively so that we get the best out of it. Hutton, Taylor, Hourahane, Whelan and Adomah are either not quick enough, don't have the speed of thought or just don't have the technique to play it. The jury is out for me on Nyland and Tuenzebe. The others were ok that started.

I agree with this and think we are looking at a total rebuild to be honest.  It is clear that Dean Smith wants to play a high tempo game both with and without the ball and the players you mention above just aren't suited to that kind of game. 

We need a big clear out and Smith and his staff need to be given time to implement their ideas.   
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Mister E on October 24, 2018, 12:16:53 PM
Smith will learn loads from this defeat - maybe confirming stuff he already knew.
His ability to do much in the short term is limited, but I would expect January - May to be exciting and different; and successful.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: mr underhill on October 24, 2018, 12:34:17 PM
as in racing from the drop zone?
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on October 24, 2018, 12:52:51 PM
It crossed my mind that he's trying them out at the moment to have a look at them for himself within his system. I would have thought El Ghazi could be eliminated from his future selections based on that alone, and he will have seen that some of the other cloggers are going to struggle to fit his needs as well.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on October 24, 2018, 01:02:14 PM
Not only did Bruce leave an unbalanced squad he left players that are no where near match fitness because of lack of activity and or conditioning.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: footyskillz on October 24, 2018, 01:04:42 PM
In terms of the subs, yes they turned the game but I can see what Smith was trying to do.

I can understand why he went for Hogan when Tammy went off.  Our press was working quite well and he probably thought Hogan would be better suited for that and with potential to nick one.  Obviously they scored with the next kick, Hogan was anonymous so it turned out to be a mistake.

Given our bench, El Ghazi seemed an obvious choice to replace Albert.  Again he was awful and in hindsight Kodjia would probably have been a better option.

Overall I thought Norwich were pretty neat and tidy, pressed well and moved the ball much better than us.  They didn't have many chances but were the better team.

When we had the ball we always looked under pressure and were never really comfortable in possession.  Taylor looked lost.  Hutton at least overlapped well and got in a few decent crosses one of which led to Tammy hitting the post.  His positioning on the first goal was awful and it wasn't the only time Rhodes was left unmarked from corners.

In the final analysis whilst Norwich were tidier there wasn't a great deal of difference in chances created.  We both scored from a corner.  Rhodes finished his chance and Tammy hit the post from his.  But we look miles from a promotion team and I only hope Smith can work his magic quickly.

Norwich won 2-1 it was close .
Maybe look again at analysis as villa outpassed Norwich and made more successful passes

10 Shots 8
2 Shots on target1
78% Pass Success 81%
46% Aerial Duel Success 54%
5 Dribbles won 4
18 Tackles 18
7 Corners 7
15 Fouls 13

Passes
482 Total 522
23 Crosses 28
0 Through Balls 1
67 Long Balls 68
392 Short Passes 425

Of our 8 shots villa had 4 from open play and 4 from set plays
50% shots came from inside the box
50% outside the box
A 12% conversion rate scored 1 goal.

45 % of match was in the middle of pitch

Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: paul_e on October 24, 2018, 01:05:15 PM
As I said in the match thread I don't buy the line that Nyland was at fault for the first. Rhodes had a free header on the edge of the 6 yard box, that's down to the marker not the keeper. Nyland should've stayed on his line or come out and clattered Rhodes so his decision making was poor but the goal is on Hutton for falling asleep.

I blame Hutton for the 2nd as well, left the winger with acres to receive the ball in and then was a bit half-arsed in trying to get over and stop the cross, from there Chester needed to do better but it was far too easy to get round us and get the cross in and you're always at risk if you let teams do that.

Nyland isn't great but it's not fair to blame him when the errors are happening in front of him. Both of our fullbacks are a liability right now and replacing them should be the priority for the first of January (or before if we're willing to give Bree and/or the kids a go).
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on October 24, 2018, 01:09:58 PM
Huttonís position for the second was criminal.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on October 24, 2018, 01:14:09 PM
As I said in the match thread I don't buy the line that Nyland was at fault for the first. Rhodes had a free header on the edge of the 6 yard box, that's down to the marker not the keeper. Nyland should've stayed on his line or come out and clattered Rhodes so his decision making was poor but the goal is on Hutton for falling asleep.

I blame Hutton for the 2nd as well, left the winger with acres to receive the ball in and then was a bit half-arsed in trying to get over and stop the cross, from there Chester needed to do better but it was far too easy to get round us and get the cross in and you're always at risk if you let teams do that.

Nyland isn't great but it's not fair to blame him when the errors are happening in front of him. Both of our fullbacks are a liability right now and replacing them should be the priority for the first of January (or before if we're willing to give Bree and/or the kids a go).
Agreed.Hutton as well as being bereft of football talent,must have personally cost us more goals than any other player.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on October 24, 2018, 01:20:32 PM
I've always liked Hutton and Adomah but it is now time to say farewell, they won't cut it under Smith.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Drummond on October 24, 2018, 01:21:33 PM
Nyland had plenty of time to go for that cross. The fact he went for it too slowly and in the wrong place is absolutely down to him. Regardless of how poor anyone else was, as a keeper you just need to deal with it.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Hookeysmith on October 24, 2018, 01:27:06 PM
I thought first half our work without the ball was excellent and you could see the pattern emerging of the 2 and 3 lines in midfield quickly turned into a 5. Nice to see both teams looking to play football rather than looking for dead balls to start their attacks.
1-0 at half time I feel was justified and but for a goal post could have been 2-0

The injuries, substitutions and equaliser all in the space of 5 mins was without doubt a pivotal point and we never really recovered.

Hutton - for all his grit and fan loyalty etc - is an awful defender - time and again he leaves acres of space

Nyland - thought he had done ok up to first goal and typically weak as piss in his attempt for the ball

Grealish - spends all his time trying to draw the foul rather than keeping a move going - starting to get on my tits

Hourihane - no goals = no impact. Apart from the corner his involvement was non existent

Whelan - average but did his job - just too slowly

Taylor - looks terrified whenever ball comes to him - he also looks knackered from the start

Chester - piss poor for the 2nd


Tuanzabe - I thought was excellent


I think the reason for keeping Elmo and Albert in there is their work without the ball - it was evident on Saturday that with Kodjia and Bolasi they just do not have the awareness or discipline (yet) to do this work so it would leave our midfield and full backs very exposed

Early days but I still like what I am seeing - if not being able to have the personnel to play to it yet

Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on October 24, 2018, 01:27:33 PM
Hutton was the wrong side of Rhodes end of.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Risso on October 24, 2018, 01:33:59 PM
Hogan touched the ball the grand total of four times.  Absolutely hopeless.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on October 24, 2018, 01:36:08 PM
Hogan touched the ball the grand total of four times.  Absolutely hopeless.
I take it he wonít be getting your vote for player of the season. :)
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: olaftab on October 24, 2018, 01:42:21 PM
Hogan touched the ball the grand total of four times.  Absolutely hopeless.
Apparently Gerd Muller only used to touch the ball a couple of times during a match....resulting in goals😊
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on October 24, 2018, 01:42:45 PM
Hogan touched the ball the grand total of four times.  Absolutely hopeless.

Yes, but it's the quality of those touches that you have to consider. I'm quite sure the Norwich defenders thought they were up against the championship version of Mbappe for those fleeting seconds.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: olaftab on October 24, 2018, 01:45:45 PM
Well letís not worry about the actual result. We were not good enough for anything better from this match. More concern is players Smith and Co have to choose from till January. I am hoping till then we can stay in touch with play off places because thatís the best we will do after where Bruce left us.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: paul_e on October 24, 2018, 01:49:28 PM
Hutton was the wrong side of Rhodes end of.

Yep, Nyland could, and should, have done better but letting you man get 2ft clear in front of you in that position isn't good enough.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: mallo on October 24, 2018, 05:38:56 PM
Annoyed about the usual meltdown second half but some positive signs. After Fridays game they've got a whole week to prepare for Bolton so I would expect to see a bit more progress there. Get McGinn back with Thor for Friday and don't bother with Hogan. If Bolasie has recovered from his verbals then stick him on the bench.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: brontebilly on October 24, 2018, 06:15:07 PM
Huttonís position for the second was criminal.

Tuanzebe went walkabout too. No idea where but he should have been where Chester eventually ended up.

Chester takes the majority of the blame though, he got himself in a good position at the front post and inexplicably missed the ball. Fluke from Rhodes to be honest.

For the first, Hutton takes majority of blame I'd argue over Nyland, 60/40 maybe. Header was probably going in even if Nyland stayed on line. Huttons positioning was dreadful.

It's amazing, four of our back five took a share of the blame for both goals last night and the odd man out is the dreadful Neil Taylor.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: paul_e on October 24, 2018, 07:24:28 PM
Huttonís position for the second was criminal.

Tuanzebe went walkabout too. No idea where but he should have been where Chester eventually ended up.

Chester takes the majority of the blame though, he got himself in a good position at the front post and inexplicably missed the ball. Fluke from Rhodes to be honest.

For the first, Hutton takes majority of blame I'd argue over Nyland, 60/40 maybe. Header was probably going in even if Nyland stayed on line. Huttons positioning was dreadful.

It's amazing, four of our back five took a share of the blame for both goals last night and the odd man out is the dreadful Neil Taylor.

Taylor was fine in defence, it was his inability t kick a moving ball that was his problem.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 24, 2018, 07:39:29 PM
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on October 24, 2018, 07:43:42 PM
OK so I've moved on now to Friday and this is probably not the right thread for this but.......not been QPR for a few years, where will Villa fans be drinking near the ground - not central london as driving down M40 then tube to White City.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: The Edge on October 24, 2018, 08:30:58 PM
OK so I've moved on now to Friday and this is probably not the right thread for this but.......not been QPR for a few years, where will Villa fans be drinking near the ground - not central london as driving down M40 then tube to White City.
Went last time and drank in pub near shepherds bush tube. Come out of station and turn right. Can't remember the name but it was full of villa.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: The Edge on October 24, 2018, 08:38:09 PM
Huttonís position for the second was criminal.

Tuanzebe went walkabout too. No idea where but he should have been where Chester eventually ended up.

Chester takes the majority of the blame though, he got himself in a good position at the front post and inexplicably missed the ball. Fluke from Rhodes to be honest.

For the first, Hutton takes majority of blame I'd argue over Nyland, 60/40 maybe. Header was probably going in even if Nyland stayed on line. Huttons positioning was dreadful.

It's amazing, four of our back five took a share of the blame for both goals last night and the odd man out is the dreadful Neil Taylor.
Even if Hutton wasn't in his way would Nyland have been strong enough to win a straightforward challenge with Rhodes? I seriously doubt it. He did an identical thing at Ipswich. He lacks the physical presence for the championship imo.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: brian green on October 24, 2018, 09:01:38 PM
You are right about Nyland TE.  Like somebody on here once said about Ivanhoe.  Body of a heavyweight champion, heart of a peanut.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: brontebilly on October 24, 2018, 09:05:14 PM
Huttonís position for the second was criminal.

Tuanzebe went walkabout too. No idea where but he should have been where Chester eventually ended up.

Chester takes the majority of the blame though, he got himself in a good position at the front post and inexplicably missed the ball. Fluke from Rhodes to be honest.

For the first, Hutton takes majority of blame I'd argue over Nyland, 60/40 maybe. Header was probably going in even if Nyland stayed on line. Huttons positioning was dreadful.

It's amazing, four of our back five took a share of the blame for both goals last night and the odd man out is the dreadful Neil Taylor.
Even if Hutton wasn't in his way would Nyland have been strong enough to win a straightforward challenge with Rhodes? I seriously doubt it. He did an identical thing at Ipswich. He lacks the physical presence for the championship imo.

Agreed, reminds me of Gollini. Same flaws.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on October 24, 2018, 09:07:36 PM
Nyland looks like Guzan did from May 2015. Mentally shot, misjudging crosses all the time and lets in plenty of saveable shots.

Clear downgrade on last season.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: brian green on October 24, 2018, 09:21:07 PM
I think in Gollini, Bunn, Moreira and Nyland if you took the very best of their individual abilities and made one goalkeeper with them it would make Kevin Poole.  To pick up one deeply flawed new goalkeeper is incompetent to pick up four in a row is like winning Dickhead of The Year.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 24, 2018, 09:25:29 PM
Iím still of the view Nyland could be decent, and Iíve got no idea about Moreira.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: TonyD on October 24, 2018, 10:23:38 PM
Not only did Bruce leave an unbalanced squad he left players that are no where near match fitness because of lack of activity and or conditioning.
Yep.  Norwich were definitely quicker to the ball in the last 20mins.
Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: footyskillz on October 24, 2018, 10:49:28 PM
Best looking Keeper.
Though I believe David James was at Villa

And he's certainly no Brad Friedel ability wise!

Iím still of the view Nyland could be decent, and Iíve got no idea about Moreira.

Both good looking keepers of the David James variety !

Title: Re: Norwich City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: dcdavecollett on October 28, 2018, 08:15:47 PM
Shame he's not as quick off his line as Jame-o was!
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