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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Toronto Villa on October 06, 2018, 04:54:37 PM
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As the title says - Abject. Utter shit. Fuck off Kmac. The sooner he’s gone also the better
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The side bottom of the league had 18 goal attempts, a side with the attacking talent we have managed 6. For all we go on about the defence our midfield and attack is wank considering the players we have.
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For some reason I feel worse about the loss today than any of the others. I think it may be the realisation that we're now a bona fide Championship team instead of a promotion contender.
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Too many people have been stealing a living from this club for too long. We need a complete overhaul from top to bottom.
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I don't ever want to see him on the 1st team bench again. Also, you Villa players are a fucking disgrace to the shirt.
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Diafuckingbolical. I feel sorry for whoever has to take this shambles over. That abject ****** Bruce has got a fucking lot to answer for, the potato-faced, salad-dodging twat.
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Diafuckingbolical. I feel sorry for whoever has to take this shambles over. That abject c*** Bruce has got a fucking lot to answer for, the potato-faced, salad-dodging twat.
You would hope the players are taking a long hard look at themselves, pphhhhhh.
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About as poor as you could imagine. Players couldn't give a shit.
An embarrassment
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Financial ruin, here we come
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Very predictable outcome.
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That's the Championship for you.
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How have we become so bad?
Maybe we were never that good but Terry and Snodgrass dragged us up a level better than we deserved.
All those twats defending Bruce should look at today’s performance and see the team for what it is.
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The side bottom of the league had 18 goal attempts, a side with the attacking talent we have managed 6. For all we go on about the defence our midfield and attack is wank considering the players we have.
we've discussed this. It's literally astonishing how the former management has completely neutered all of the attacking intent out of millions worth of talent. We barely take shots let alone score goals. And when you add our shit defence to it, it explains exactly why we are at the arse end of the table. Fuck off Steve Bruce over and over again
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Yet all around us is joy........makes it all the more difficult to bear, I hope for a new manager, a win and a much better outlook in two weeks time.
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No surprise whatsoever
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we're going to struggle now we haven't got that Stability we had with Brucey
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Gutless and clueless. A disgrace to the once mighty AVFC.
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KMac out. I feel so sorry for whoever is appointed to sort out the shambles Bruce has left behind.
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Dreadful. Was listening to it on the radio.
Will this nightmare ever end?
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Fucking disgraceful. Look at the paucity in defence fucking Bruce has left us with, stability fuck off.
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I don't see promotion happening unless an almighty rocket is shoved up the club's arse.
The new bloke will hopefully sort these underperforming, lazy, gutless ****** out. I'm sick to the back teeth of them.
I'm not sure anyone comes out of that with any credit. At an absolute push,maybe Bree. He did ok.
Hutton as captain set the tone for a one paced extravaganza of bullshit.
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Good lord that was awful 2nd half.
The good news is though we're being held back till 17:31 and it's pissing it down.
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For the first time in our history we are looking at playing 4 consecutive seasons in division 2. Providing we avoid relegation. Still, at least Bruce turned things around and stabilised us.
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Not a surprise. KMac was hardly likely to provide motivation and there weren't any changes in tactics.
A new coach will sort it.
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Millwall are one of those teams we just cannot beat no matter what form they are in. Unfortunately there are far too many of those in this division. This is as low as I have felt since we have been in this division and the blame has to be place firmly at the feet of Steve Bruce. The defence is short of numbers and quality, midfield is underachieving and the attack powderpuff. Whoever comes in has a tough job.
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They've been mismanaged undoubtedly, and the confidence has drained away, but maybe our players aren't as good as we think they are. And maybe the other sides in the division aren't as shite as we think they are.
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Sad sad state of affairs. Prepare for relegation people.
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I just feel shame, that's all.
Why does it take losing on the 80th minute to have any sort of offensive urgency? Why are we set up like an impotent/inferior club trying to avoid relegation?
The point of the game is to put the ball in the net. Yet, against SERIOUSLY inferior clubs we trot out 5, 6 even 7 defenders and expect to get a positive result.
Can we please just have a manager that will instill front foot football, and realize that in this league offense can be the best defense. Instead, we invite pressure and struggle to go forward.
I was not impressed with jack at all today, I fear he is not nearly as good as we believe or as he is advertised.
How Kodjia doesn't start is beyond me. An absolute crime to have him on the bench until you're desperate for a goal to rescue a point at fucking Millwall.
I'm just ashamed.
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Bruce took us backwards from a low base and wasted an obscene amount of money doing it.
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AVFC Official
We'll look to bounce back and kick-start our season after the international break.
Yeah, just a blip wasn't it you myopic twats
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Too many people have been stealing a living from this club for too long. We need a complete overhaul from top to bottom.
Spot on. How can the management not see a change was needed at half time? They'd taken the initiative and were the only team that looked like scoring before half time. We needed some wingers on but it seemed like they just deliberately waited until Millwall scored the 2nd to do anything about it. Awful stuff from such experienced men.
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Utterly shit second half showing from a team woeful in defence and shambolic when dealing with balls into the box. Subs ten minutes too late.
Grealish should be dropped. Absolute waste of a shirt at the moment. Great on the ball but it's easy on the half way line. Does absolutely nothing in the last third. Every through ball was aimless and/or overhit. A luxury that upsets the balance of our team and one we can ill afford. Wish we'd taken the money.
We need the appointment. Let's hope it's a good one as all is not lost if someone can knit it together relatively quickly.
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We ain’t getting relegated.
But, the job is too big, and the problems are too deep for a novice manager.
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Well that's it, so for the pundits this is what reality is and not the rubbish they keep coming out with, this is a Steve Bruce squad, absolute crap, all that money spent, not going to lay everything at the door of KMac today, he can only work with this dire situation he's been left with, I doubt Pep Guardiola would do anything with this lot, Bruce has left us in a terrible situation, huge job for the next boss, he has to come in, get some wins under our belt, get us into the transfer window and buy buy buy and the board have to back him, this squad is spent.
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Why the fuck did we start with a fucking right back out wide and a fucking left sided central player wide. Fucking shit.
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I have a real fear that our new owners, who probably thought they were picking up a big club fairly cheaply and getting it promoted, will decide this basket case of a club is not worth wasting good money on and bail.
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Another season at this level passing us by I'm afraid.
Look at that table and it's embarrasing we're in the bottom half. Heck we're only a point above SHA and they've hardly won a game all season.
Sad thing is the way it's gone since 2010 means I'd actually be surprised when we do start playing well and winning regularly.
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7 straight defeats away to Millwall in all competitions, how the fuck can we be so consistently crap against such a shit club.
Oh and 1 win in 10, in division fucking 2. Absolute disgrace for Aston Villa to 'achieve' that.
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Because MacDonald is a clueless incompetent fuckwit?
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Why the fuck did we start with a fucking right back out wide and a fucking left sided central player wide. Fucking shit.
And a right back in the centre of defence.
Shambles. Bruce should be horsewhipped then tarred and feathered for leaving us in this state.
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Stop it.
We'll be fine.
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7 straight defeats away to Millwall in all competitions, how the fuck can we be so consistently crap against such a shit club.
Oh and 1 win in 10, in division fucking 2. Absolute disgrace for Aston Villa to 'achieve' that.
Combining our records at all three of Selhurst, The Den and Loftus Road in last 30 years and that's probably as many away wins as somewhere like the Emirates and that's only been open 10 years.
We always are terrible at the smaller London grounds for whatever reason, our record in recent years at Fulham is also woeful.
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Another season at this level passing us by I'm afraid.
Look at that table and it's embarrasing we're in the bottom half. Heck we're only a point above SHA and they've hardly won a game all season.
Sad thing is the way it's gone since 2010 means I'd actually be surprised when we do start playing well and winning regularly.
Bruce has stuffed us this year by clinging on when he wasn’t up to the job whilst ruining our squad in the transfer window. Even if we have some defenders and a decent manager in January it’ll be too late.
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I'm convinced Bruce deliberately sabotaged that defence to make sure he'd get the push and compo. Goalkeepers worse than the one we had last season and worse than the one we've loaned out; failure to replace our best player knowing full well he was leaving at the end of the season; loaning out Elphick and De Laet so there's no cover anywhere. The new manager has a hell of a task sorting that out with little prospect of bringing anyone in any time soon. Yet another season of consolidate and rebuild for next season. I've forgotten what it's like to enjoy football.
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Stop it.
We'll be fine.
I believe we will, we will bounce back but it's going to take serious money and a really good manager to pull this of.
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Why the fuck did we start with a fucking right back out wide and a fucking left sided central player wide. Fucking shit.
And a right back in the centre of defence.
Shambles. Bruce should be horsewhipped then tarred and feathered for leaving us in this state.
What were the other options at CB out of interest?
There's a lack of direction at the club and that's filtered through to the players in recent weeks so have a caretaker in who has no chance of getting the job full time (thankfully) and dosen't really shock me the players didn't match Millwall's workrate.
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I'm convinced Bruce deliberately sabotaged that defence to make sure he'd get the push and compo. Goalkeepers worse than the one we had last season and worse than the one we've loaned out; failure to replace our best player knowing full well he was leaving at the end of the season; loaning out Elphick and De Laet so there's no cover anywhere. The new manager has a hell of a task sorting that out with little prospect of bringing anyone in any time soon. Yet another season of consolidate and rebuild for next season. I've forgotten what it's like to enjoy football.
What I would give for just one enjoyable season. This club does nothing but give me anxiety and indigestion. It's a drag anymore.
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This squad is not good enough. Forget how good our forward line might be, our defense and midfield are a long way off. Whoever the new man is, he has one hell of a job to turn this shit around.
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Another season at this level passing us by I'm afraid.
Look at that table and it's embarrasing we're in the bottom half. Heck we're only a point above SHA and they've hardly won a game all season.
Sad thing is the way it's gone since 2010 means I'd actually be surprised when we do start playing well and winning regularly.
Bruce has stuffed us this year by clinging on when he wasn’t up to the job whilst ruining our squad in the transfer window. Even if we have some defenders and a decent manager in January it’ll be too late.
Only way we can keep in touch with the top 6 is getting more out of Grealish and the attackers and winning a game like today 3-2.
If you look at many of the teams in the top 6 not many of them keep clean sheets. As I keep saying West Brom only kept 1 all season but they regularly score 2-3 a game and well that's more than enough at this level usually.
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the priority right now is to stay up - we're beginning to look like Sunderland. And please no more of the best squad in the league shit. We have the most unbalanced yes, that's all.
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Stop it.
We'll be fine.
Define "fine".
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The new manager needs to get a grip these players get away with murder
No effort no desire we’re not a team just a rabble of individuals
Gutless grealish needs to stop prancing around and lead this team. Affect the game make a difference.
The selection was totally negative 👎
A huge job on his hands whoever the new manager will be
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I think the majority of us called it in the pre-match poll. Non-existant defence, unbalanced midfield, confidence destroyed. Not surprising result is it? Massive massive mistake not getting rid of Bruce in the summer. 9 points off 2nd so i think automatic promotion has gone now given the new manager can't be doing anything about the squad till January. Need to take our time now, get the right guy, who can sort out the team, see if we can cancel some of the loans, get others in, maybe look at the bombsquad and buy a couple in January. If we do that then a Play-off place is still realistic i reckon.
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I think we need to take stock.
Today was always going to be dead rubber. I am sure the players (the poor loves) are a bit shell shocked after seeing ‘the gaffer’ going.
K MAC is not the man to instill passion and drive into this team, and as he said his job is to keep things ticking over and make sure the players are able to wipe their arses and get themselves dressed.
We can’t and shouldnt expect anything better until a new man comes in.
But, that needs to happen quickly and I really don’t think it can be someone learning their trade.
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Would have been the same outcome with Bruce on the bench. The fact we have no defence to speak of is his legacy.
We have some decent players but we don't have anything like a team.
So plainly obvious that the great team spirit of last season was generated by Terry and Snodgrass and not the "boss".
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With Chester injured (No need to mention Jedinak, he's not a defender) and the lack of any other first team central defenders - wouldn't it be sensible to play the pairing from our second team? Players that know each other.
I don't blame the caretaker manager today, it's all down to fistface.
But he can happily leave too.as he's proved what a c**t he is.
Get a decent manager in, and let's move on.
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I still cant get my head round why we loan a player like Axel from another club and loan out one of our own in RDL , who I think is a much better player and more experience .
Seems a stupid thing to do .
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This squad is not good enough. Forget how good our forward line might be, our defense and midfield are a long way off. Whoever the new man is, he has one hell of a job to turn this shit around.
Bolasie, el Ghazi, Tammy and Kodjia could easily be the most potent attacking four in this division. Wish I could include Jack in that but he literally doe nothing but get chopped down in the middle of the park. He invites it and gets it every time.
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Huge mistake not getting rid of Bruce in the summer. Even a complete novice like Henry would have had us playing better football and higher in the league than this.
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Huge mistake not getting rid of Bruce in the summer. Even a complete novice like Henry would have had us playing better football and higher in the league than this.
With hindsight I would now agree with that.
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Stop it.
We'll be fine.
I believe we will, we will bounce back but it's going to take serious money and a really good manager to pull this of.
The trouble is FFP is going to severely restrict how much we can spend on improving the squad. It's turning into a complete clusterfuck
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No surprise today, in fact the only surprise was going a goal up after 7 mins.
Make no mistake we would have also lost today if Bruce was still in charge. A shambles of a defence and a midfield and attack lacking in confidence is Bruce's legacy. That said why leave Kodjia and bolasie on the bench today when they have 6 goals between them this season.
To the old boys media network coming out in support of Bruce, f-ck right off and keep your f-cking gobs shut cause all you are doing is demonstrating your own f-cking ignorance.
Looking forward to a positive managerial appointment in the next 2 weeks, otherwise we are in deep sh-t. Even if the appointment is good he has a hell of a job on his hands after the mess Bruce has left us in.
UTV always!
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Villa Loyal on his way home.
We were a true disgrace today.
Millwall played well. But all you have to do to win against Villa these days is battle and lob the ball into the box.
The players seem to have forgotten this is the championship not the premier league.
Defence including the keeper are wank.
Our lowest ebb yet ?!
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Good lord that was awful 2nd half.
The good news is though we're being held back till 17:31 and it's pissing it down.
At least it's not snowing this time.
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Another season at this level passing us by I'm afraid.
Look at that table and it's embarrasing we're in the bottom half. Heck we're only a point above SHA and they've hardly won a game all season.
Sad thing is the way it's gone since 2010 means I'd actually be surprised when we do start playing well and winning regularly.
Blues have won one less game than us. With a transfer embargo. I know we all hate them but at the moment I would take Monk in a heartbeat given what he has already achieved there.
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and you can bet that as soon as he came to us he'd turn to shit
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They've been mismanaged undoubtedly, and the confidence has drained away, but maybe our players aren't as good as we think they are. And maybe the other sides in the division aren't as shite as we think they are.
I think this is bang on. Many of the players we've signed have been completely overhyped as being the best player in the Championship in their respective position or the best passer or the best striker. We've been taken for a ride.
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poor decisions and signings by the new owners have come home to roost. It's a big job now for the new management and it will be a long hard season. could get even messier if we can't get a big fee for Grealish in Jan
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Utter bellend on BBC Sport website: "Greg's Goals: 2018-19 average points; with Bruce: 1.44 per game. Without Bruce: 0.00 per game. Just shows how much those cabbage throwing 'fans' know about the game."
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We ain’t getting relegated.
But, the job is too big, and the problems are too deep for a novice manager.
Do we need someone who knows the game inside out and understands the championship?😉
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I didn't see it, but it sounds like when the boss is away and you know you don't have to work too hard to impress anybody.
At least we know change is coming.
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We ain’t getting relegated.
But, the job is too big, and the problems are too deep for a novice manager.
Do we need someone who knows the game inside out and understands the championship?😉
Step forward Neil Warnock
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We ain’t getting relegated.
But, the job is too big, and the problems are too deep for a novice manager.
Do we need someone who knows the game inside out and understands the championship?😉
Yes. Maybe someone who has experience of promotions would help 🤪
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We ain’t getting relegated.
But, the job is too big, and the problems are too deep for a novice manager.
Do we need someone who knows the game inside out and understands the championship?😉
Yes. Maybe someone who has experience of promotions would help 🤪
Sam Allardyce.
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Hopefully the new guy will see sense and bench Grealish. A few weeks of not walking into the team every week after mostly contributing sod all might spark something into his non-productive self.
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We ain’t getting relegated.
But, the job is too big, and the problems are too deep for a novice manager.
Do we need someone who knows the game inside out and understands the championship?😉
Yes. Maybe someone who has experience of promotions would help 🤪
Sam Allardyce.
Through gritted teeth, I think he's the man, I know, I know, but!
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Started ok then turned to shit. Nothing positive to take from it at all.
Glad it's a break if we're not careful we're in a relegation fight
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On the plus side it's 2 weeks off from this shit now.
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Can you actually believe we are still only three points off the play offs?
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Can you actually believe we are still only three points off the play offs?
And closer in points to 24th than we are 2nd.
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Can you actually believe we are still only three points off the play offs?
9 off the top 2 though, which is where we should be aiming. We're not going up this season, face it, whoever comes in. The new bloke is going to have to limp through to January with *that* defence, by which time we'll be miles behind. The new owners should have got rid of Bruce before the season started. Instead, they kept him here in the interests of "stability" and let him wreck the season with absolutely nonsensical transfer dealings. Rubbish, from top to bottom.
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Never thought I’d say this, but it’s results like this that make me wonder whether bringing in Allardyce on a 9 month deal isn’t such a bad idea given a novice is going to be way out of his depth the state we’re in.
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Can we fire MacDonald as well please. Yet another disgrace of a display. Our defence is known to be abysmal, but fuck me the attack is doing nothing.
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Stop it.
We'll be fine.
Define "fine".
Not relegated. Not mid table. Play-off minimum and pushing for automatic promotion.
Based on today's performance I wouldn't be right however, our manager has just been sacked along with all the staff. Our academy boss took charge and he hasn't a clue either.
A new manager will get far more out of this bunch.
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Diafuckingbolical. I feel sorry for whoever has to take this shambles over. That abject c*** Bruce has got a fucking lot to answer for, the potato-faced, salad-dodging twat.
You would hope the players are taking a long hard look at themselves, pphhhhhh.
Kodjia fucked off down the tunnel straight away after the whistle. Hutton was also looking at the Villa fans like a knob head after not surprisingly a few told him to fuck off.
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We ain’t getting relegated.
But, the job is too big, and the problems are too deep for a novice manager.
Do we need someone who knows the game inside out and understands the championship?😉
Yes. Maybe someone who has experience of promotions would help 🤪
Sam Allardyce.
Seriously coming to the point were I think that is the sort of manager we want, the players need an almighty kick up the backside, haven't they got any pride whatsoever?
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We could get Guardiola but we're going nowhere with that defence and three terrible goalkeepers. There is no balance at all to our squad.
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This squad is not good enough. Forget how good our forward line might be, our defense and midfield are a long way off. Whoever the new man is, he has one hell of a job to turn this shit around.
Bolasie, el Ghazi, Tammy and Kodjia could easily be the most potent attacking four in this division. Wish I could include Jack in that but he literally doe nothing but get chopped down in the middle of the park. He invites it and gets it every time.
They might be the most potent attacking four in this division, but to balance that our we likely have one of the worst back fours in this division and, our midfield is nothing special. Jack continues to flatter to deceive ($60m - I think not!), and aside McGinn who looks like the one bright spot on this team right now, the rest are also-rans. Its no good having potent weapons up front if there is nothing behind it and that is why we are where we are
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Remember those halcyon days when we were heading into the Championship saying, 'well, it'll be nice to win most of our games at least.'?
Aaaargh, I fucking hate us being so shite.
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Diafuckingbolical. I feel sorry for whoever has to take this shambles over. That abject c*** Bruce has got a fucking lot to answer for, the potato-faced, salad-dodging twat.
You would hope the players are taking a long hard look at themselves, pphhhhhh.
Kodjia fucked off down the tunnel straight away after the whistle. Hutton was also looking at the Villa fans like a knob head after not surprisingly a few told him to fuck off.
You can't have it both ways, if you tell players to f**k off, then they are not going to acknowledge you next game!
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Allardyce is the best shit option and today has made me think perhaps we do just need an old fashioned safe pair of hands (which Bruce wasn’t). It’s depressing to be thinking that way though.
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Allardyce is the best shit option and today has made me think perhaps we do just need an old fashioned safe pair of hands (which Bruce wasn’t). It’s depressing to be thinking that way though.
Totally agree. Proper depressing but this isn’t the job for an Henry. Not at the moment. We are a rabble
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Stop it.
We'll be fine.
Define "fine".
Not relegated. Not mid table. Play-off minimum and pushing for automatic promotion.
Based on today's performance I wouldn't be right however, our manager has just been sacked along with all the staff. Our academy boss took charge and he hasn't a clue either.
A new manager will get far more out of this bunch.
Not sure about pushing for automatic promotion but I absolutely agree with the last sentence and for that reason it can't come soon enough.
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Made up I didn’t waste a oner.
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There's a fair few post on the last few pages which show exactly why we end up repeating the same mistakes over and over again. Allerdyce would be a shit choice, just like Bruce, RDM, Sherwood and McLeish were shit choices. It's just a perpetual "we'll deal with it tomorrow" attitude which means everything is about the next 5-6 games and nothing ever gets considered after that.
We're not making the top 2 this season, that's been clear for ages. The liberating part of accepting that is that it means we can concentrate on getting into the play offs and finding a way to play where we aren't scared of our own fucking shadow when we get there.
Proper manager who can spot flaws and fix them on the training ground, proper coaching team that push the players to be their best and a scouting setup that concentrates on players that fit our style and roles rather than signing players because they're good, honest lads. Sort that lot and we'll be fine but you don't get their by signing a manager on the basis that he'll kick the players up the arse.
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There's a fair few post on the last few pages which show exactly why we end up repeating the same mistakes over and over again. Allerdyce would be a shit choice, just like Bruce, RDM, Sherwood and McLeish were shit choices. It's just a perpetual "we'll deal with it tomorrow" attitude which means everything is about the next 5-6 games and nothing ever gets considered after that.
Hard to argue
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Yep. Hard to disagree with any of that. Who though?
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We could get Guardiola but we're going nowhere with that defence and three terrible goalkeepers. There is no balance at all to our squad.
Agreed 100%. On field leadership departed with Terry and Snodgrass too.
Millwall and Preston just knew if they stuck into us physically we would wilt. A slow, lazy, soft bunch of players.
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I just can't believe that some think the negative cycle that AVFC have been in, pre or post relegation, will be ended with the appointment of an Allardyce or Moyes. Mind you, Jesus Christ himself might struggle with the present situation. Christ it's so depressing.
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For the last bloody time, Allardyce is absolutely the wrong choice. He's the Bruce option we chose two years ago. We all agree the club is broken and needs a complete change of direction, so why the hell do we go all knee-jerk and hire someone who knows how to grind out a draw again? I'll take the extra season in the Championship if it means we come back looking absolutely brilliant with a manager that's right for us rather than a stopgap who clearly isn't.
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Whoever comes in will have to sort out the problems that Bruce has created and left behind:
A unbalanced squad with players who seemed decent when signed, but have been asked play out of position, picked, dropped, picked and dropped so that they've lost confidence and have forgotten how good they were.
We won't be able to sign anybody until January at the earliest.
So whoever comes in will have to design a system using the players we have that gets around these problems - lack of ambition tactically, no defence to speak of and a forward line that doesn't seem to know what shape or style of attack we're trying to play or who and how they're going to be supported.
Are the playoffs achievable? Possibly. Automatic promotion - unlikely.
It's going to take a clear thinker who can coach this mish mash and set them up properly. Maximise what we have- one top talent up front and minimise our weaknesses- which are clearly the back 4. And look at some of the kids.
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Utter bellend on BBC Sport website: "Greg's Goals: 2018-19 average points; with Bruce: 1.44 per game. Without Bruce: 0.00 per game. Just shows how much those cabbage throwing 'fans' know about the game."
Indeed, well the mighty Bruce built this shambles and it was fan not ‘fans’.
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We must accept we may not go up this season but we must find a style of play get the players working on patterns find a team spirit.
End of the season jedinak whelan richards bunn Hutton all out of contract must go.
We need to then buy players to fit a system a style of play not just buy players and try to fit them in.
We cannot go with Moyes and Allardyce we need to go with a young manager and give them a chance.
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Allardyce is the best shit option and today has made me think perhaps we do just need an old fashioned safe pair of hands (which Bruce wasn’t). It’s depressing to be thinking that way though.
No fuck that, bollocks to ‘proper football men’. I want someone to shake up us with innovative thought, not another fucking has been who will “stabilise” us, which is basically a euphemism for building a team to try and achieve a short-term goal, which never works, and then we’re fucked all over again.
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For the last bloody time, Allardyce is absolutely the wrong choice. He's the Bruce option we chose two years ago. We all agree the club is broken and needs a complete change of direction, so why the hell do we go all knee-jerk and hire someone who knows how to grind out a draw again? I'll take the extra season in the Championship if it means we come back looking absolutely brilliant with a manager that's right for us rather than a stopgap who clearly isn't.
I agree. I hope they don't go for someone like Allardyce in the misguided belief that it would be a short term appointment to get us up this year. I want to see a manager in place for the next 5 years, who builds a system and way of playing that will be the basis of a good side to watch and getting us back in the Premier League and doing well there.
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Sat on a coach in the middle of London, hours from home, depressed, we are a shambles & I am really worried with what we have been left with. Saw Hutton at the end giving the death stare or looking confused, anyone know what happened
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Sat on a coach in the middle of London, hours from home, depressed, we are a shambles & I am really worried with what we have been left with. Saw Hutton at the end giving the death stare or looking confused, anyone know what happened
Remembering a Steve Bruce tactical meeting probably.
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I realise I’m not the only one saying it but in case my post didn’t make it clear enough by use of the words ‘shit’ and ‘depressing’ I’m no fan of Allardyce.
As it goes I think we will plump for someone more like Henry than him and that person will fail because we’re hiring from a position of crisis yet again we have a shit squad personality wise, yet again.
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Not sure Allardyce is the answer now ( he was he answer when we needed to replace Sherwood , how ever we went for the up and coming Continental manager ..) but IMO he is a step above Bruce .He kept the shambles that was Sunderland up , who fell apart when he left for the England job. At the least he has some sense of Tactics and a plan as opposed to the Steve Bruce just hope the players can work it out themselves approach
It looks bad but with the right appointment we can still make the top 6 , the defence is poor but I watched the WBA game today and they could easily have been 3 nil down before they got into the game.There is no team with a real solid defence the problem is even with all our supposed attacking prowess we have don't seem able to put it together so we are unable to just outscore teams like WBA are doing.
Bruce has left a mess of a squad , unbalanced and under coached how he is still defended by some is beyond me
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Regardless of how shit we are now, we ain’t shit enough to need Allerdyce, Moyes, Pardew, McCarthy or any of those old guard managers.
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I realise I’m not the only one saying it but in case my post didn’t make it clear enough by use of the words ‘shit’ and ‘depressing’ I’m no fan of Allardyce.
As it goes I think we will plump for someone more like Henry than him and that person will fail because we’re hiring from a position of crisis yet again we have a shit squad personality wise, yet again.
We don’t have a shit squad. We just need a proven centre half in January
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As the title says - Abject. Utter shit. Fuck off Kmac. The sooner he’s gone also the better
You want him sacked the day after the team that are his day job responsibility won 8-0? & he is doing a perfectly good job in that day job, hopefully the next one in the big seat might actually take notice of the young players we produce.
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It matters not how good the players are if they've no direction. KMac can't or won't change anything in 3 days and certainly isn't a motivator.
International break, new manager, a couple of new signings and we'll be fine.
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Video nasty (https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/teams/aston-villa/11519452/millwall-2-1-aston-villa)
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Bog standard championship managers? We’ve been turned into a bog standard championship team, on a good day.
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No no no to last pay cheque relics, please. Let's just accept we have blown promotion well at least automatic this year and concentrate on someone who is going to build a system and stick to it and either make players he has adapt to it and/or brings in players to suit it. Seven Manager's in eight years is it?
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Allardyce is an expert in stopping teams getting relegated. He might be just the man we need the way we are going.
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As the title says - Abject. Utter shit. Fuck off Kmac. The sooner he’s gone also the better
You want him sacked the day after the team that are his day job responsibility won 8-0? & he is doing a perfectly good job in that day job, hopefully the next one in the big seat might actually take notice of the young players we produce.
Yes. He should have been sacked a long time ago.
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Sat on a coach in the middle of London, hours from home, depressed, we are a shambles & I am really worried with what we have been left with. Saw Hutton at the end giving the death stare or looking confused, anyone know what happened
Giving the death stare to who?
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Because MacDonald is a clueless incompetent fuckwit?
Then why is he in charge of our youth squad????
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I think KMac gave up any ambitions to be a first team manager a long time ago. He’s in a no win position having again been asked to hold the ship steady for a couple of games. Under the circimstances he deserves a break from the vitriol
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If you want the rainbow you've got to put up with the rain. It's the only way I can see things at the moment
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If you want the rainbow you've got to put up with the rain. It's the only way I can see things at the moment
Rainbow died with Geoffrey Hayes.
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If you want the rainbow you've got to put up with the rain. It's the only way I can see things at the moment
You forgot the Confucius he say bit
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Expected a defeat today so not surprised. Whoever comes in will hopefully give us a new manager bounce and some of the wasters will realise they need to put in shift.
The reality though is that best we can hope for this season is some short-termism to get in whoever can shore up the defence in January, and maybe a run in the second half of the season in the pursuit of a play-off spot.
Long term this in now a complete re-build job, with no money. I'm yet to be convinced that the new owners and their Chief Exec are up to it. Next week's appointment will perhaps give an inkling.
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If you want the rainbow you've got to put up with the rain. It's the only way I can see things at the moment
Villa Park must be under three hundred feet of water by now.
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Expected a defeat today so not surprised. Whoever comes in will hopefully give us a new manager bounce and some of the wasters will realise they need to put in shift.
The reality though is that best we can hope for this season is some short-termism to get in whoever can shore up the defence in January, and maybe a run in the second half of the season in the pursuit of a play-off spot.
Long term this in now a complete re-build job, with no money. I'm yet to be convinced that the new owners and their Chief Exec are up to it. Next week's appointment will perhaps give an inkling.
We’ll have money in the long term of that there is no doubt. It’s the short term where we’re going to have to be savvy
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No the best we can hope for is promotion.
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No the best we can hope for is promotion.
Please stop predicting stuff!
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Because MacDonald is a clueless incompetent fuckwit?
Then why is he in charge of our youth squad????
It’s apples and bananas. He proved that last time he was asked to step up and keep us steady. Nothing competent about him then just as there wasn’t today.
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No the best we can hope for is promotion.
Please stop predicting stuff!
I'm.not predicting bud, but I am saying that we shouldn't let ourselves be weighed down by the blanket of negativity that Bruce has thrown over us.
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Allardyce is the best shit option and today has made me think perhaps we do just need an old fashioned safe pair of hands (which Bruce wasn’t). It’s depressing to be thinking that way though.
Let’s not panic just yet. That’s the thinking that got us saddled with Bruce. We’ve all said we need to rebuild and now is the time, two years too late admittedly. But in my view Allardyce would be an almost sideways move and it would end as it always ends with him and we would need to start again.
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Allardyce is the best shit option and today has made me think perhaps we do just need an old fashioned safe pair of hands (which Bruce wasn’t). It’s depressing to be thinking that way though.
Let’s not panic just yet. That’s the thinking that got us saddled with Bruce. We’ve all said we need to rebuild and now is the time, two years too late admittedly. But in my view Allardyce would be an almost sideways move and it would end as it always ends with him and we would need to start again.
Yep.
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As the title says - Abject. Utter shit. Fuck off Kmac. The sooner he’s gone also the better
You want him sacked the day after the team that are his day job responsibility won 8-0? & he is doing a perfectly good job in that day job, hopefully the next one in the big seat might actually take notice of the young players we produce.
Yes. He should have been sacked a long time ago.
Really?? I’d say he’s done his job pretty well
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I think KMac gave up any ambitions to be a first team manager a long time ago. He’s in a no win position having again been asked to hold the ship steady for a couple of games. Under the circimstances he deserves a break from the vitriol
If I remember correctly he was accused of systematic and vindictive bullying a few years ago.
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Whilst I did post that the keepers and defence are shit, what I will say is so are Albion's and they're 2nd. Johnstone is a decent keeper but their central defensive pairing is Bartley and Hegazi, shite. Only one clean sheet so far this season but they've simply outscored teams. We may very well have to do the same and we have got the forward players to do it. Get pace and width in the team, coach them properly and we'll score goals for fun.
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KMac (https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/dec/07/aston-villa-academy-evidence-bullying-fa-kevin-macdonald)
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I think KMac gave up any ambitions to be a first team manager a long time ago. He’s in a no win position having again been asked to hold the ship steady for a couple of games. Under the circimstances he deserves a break from the vitriol
If I remember correctly he was accused of systematic and vindictive bullying a few years ago.
And yet he’s still here. Maybe the accusations went nowhere?
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Those fuckin ‘players’ should be hauled over the coals the way Bruce has been. Don’t get me wrong - the fish rots from the head first so dispensing with SB was the way to go but the worst thing about today was that they were representing Aston Villa Football Club more so than at any other point this season today and they bottled it. No one can tell me that millwall had eleven better footballers on that pitch. No chance.
They’ve done fuck all under Bruce this season and they did fuck all today without him. All should be hanging their heads in shame this evening. I knew we would lose today, I would never stick Villa in my acca to lose (which in fairness I won) but I abs knew it. Wankers.
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We are the only Championship team to have scored in every game this season.
The new manager doesn't have a massive job to sort this team out.
Bruce went stale this season, there seemed to be no drive and determination.
All we need is some proper coaching, and leadership from the new management team and we will start winning again.
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If you want the rainbow you've got to put up with the rain. It's the only way I can see things at the moment
Know who said that?
Dolly Parton
And people say she’s just a big pair of tits
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Utter bellend on BBC Sport website: "Greg's Goals: 2018-19 average points; with Bruce: 1.44 per game. Without Bruce: 0.00 per game. Just shows how much those cabbage throwing 'fans' know about the game."
Indeed, well the mighty Bruce built this shambles and it was fan not ‘fans’.
It was actually a steward.
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Allardyce is the best shit option and today has made me think perhaps we do just need an old fashioned safe pair of hands (which Bruce wasn’t). It’s depressing to be thinking that way though.
Let’s not panic just yet. That’s the thinking that got us saddled with Bruce. We’ve all said we need to rebuild and now is the time, two years too late admittedly. But in my view Allardyce would be an almost sideways move and it would end as it always ends with him and we would need to start again.
See above. Also, I’m not panicking thanks.
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Feel sorry for the fans.Wolves taking the piss out of us at Marylebone.How low have we gone?
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If you want the rainbow you've got to put up with the rain. It's the only way I can see things at the moment
Know who said that?
Dolly Parton
And people say she’s just a big pair of tits
Well..........lets be a tad little bit honest about those bad boys.
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Feel sorry for the fans.Wolves taking the piss out of us at Marylebone.How low have we gone?
Normal service will resume at some point. And revenge is a dish best served cold
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Feel sorry for the fans.Wolves taking the piss out of us at Marylebone.How low have we gone?
The little dog can keep nipping away at the big dog.
But one day the big dog will bite back.
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Feel sorry for the fans.Wolves taking the piss out of us at Marylebone.How low have we gone?
The little dog can keep nipping away at the big dog.
But one day the big dog will bite back.
But in the meantime it fucking sucks
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Those fuckin ‘players’ should be hauled over the coals the way Bruce has been. Don’t get me wrong - the fish rots from the head first so dispensing with SB was the way to go but the worst thing about today was that they were representing Aston Villa Football Club more so than at any other point this season today and they bottled it. No one can tell me that millwall had eleven better footballers on that pitch. No chance.
They’ve done fuck all under Bruce this season and they did fuck all today without him. All should be hanging their heads in shame this evening. I knew we would lose today, I would never stick Villa in my acca to lose (which in fairness I won) but I abs knew it. Wankers.
Completely agree, Millwall were utterly shite and still won comfortably.
Nyland 5 - dreadful decision to sign this guy, miles out of his depth and no physical presence, not at fault for either goal though
Bree 5 - some positive signs on the ball in the second half but bullied in the air in the build up to their second goal, needs to harden up a lot
Tuanzebe 4 - a really poor defender, very soft physically and stinking attitude, Bruce doing a favour for his old club and we are paying for it, one Id be letting go in Jan for definite.
Hutton 5 - going to cut him some slack, lets just say left sided centre back aint his position
Taylor 0 - shouldnt play for club again, diabolical for the first goal, fell on his arse for the second, woeful throughout, a piss taking clown
Elmo 5 - not his position but tried hard, created chance for Bree, not much more you can say
Bjarnsson 4 - useless, one paced, no positional sense
McGinn 3 - has been obvious for a few weeks now that he needs a break, that needs to happen asap. should have been hooked at break. tidy player on the ball like a few we have, but limitations without it are killing us. complete and utter passenger
Hourihane 4 - lightweight, completely one sided, no heart. another assist though
Grealish 6 - very good for first 60 mins but completely threw in towel for last 30 mins with self indulgent balls out of play, taking five touches when one would do. He had to drop deep though given how poor our midfield was
Abraham 4 - lovely finish for goal but another one with a very suspect attitude, Lee Gregory showed him how a forward can play
Bolasie and Kodjia - cant remember either having much of a kick. Kodjia is one of the first Id be getting rid of in January, a bad egg and legs are gone.
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Feel sorry for the fans.Wolves taking the piss out of us at Marylebone.How low have we gone?
The little dog can keep nipping away at the big dog.
But one day the big dog will bite back.
But in the meantime it fucking sucks
Form is temporary. Class is permanent. Our temporary form is going on far too long for my liking.
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Who would've thought that the team playing Aston Villa today would score some goals from aimless balls slung into ur penalty area.
The thing Bruce is most culpable for is leaving etc club with one capable centre half.
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Allardyce is the best shit option and today has made me think perhaps we do just need an old fashioned safe pair of hands (which Bruce wasn’t). It’s depressing to be thinking that way though.
Let’s not panic just yet. That’s the thinking that got us saddled with Bruce. We’ve all said we need to rebuild and now is the time, two years too late admittedly. But in my view Allardyce would be an almost sideways move and it would end as it always ends with him and we would need to start again.
See above. Also, I’m not panicking thanks.
I did. It was a general comment giving a point of view on the futility of going down the same road that lead to where we are today. Allardyce is not a shit option, he an absolute no option
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The centre back situation was always going to bite us on the arse at some stage and having Chester unavailable basically leaves us with Tuanzebe. Unforgivable by Bruce. Playing round pegs in round holes doesn't work when the round peg in question is as abject as Neil Taylor. There has surely got be someone in the under 23s better than that, or at least not as bad.
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The centre back situation was always going to bite us on the arse at some stage and having Chester unavailable basically leaves us with Tuanzebe. Unforgivable by Bruce. Playing round pegs in round holes doesn't work when the round peg in question is as abject as Neil Taylor. There has surely got be someone in the under 23s better than that, or at least not as bad.
We let him go on loan to Port Vale
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Today is a freebie of sorts for KMac. Insufficient time on the training ground to effect any pattern or tactical changes, so it is just a case of playing the game and keeping everything the same as if Bruce had not left. I wouldn't worry too much about the outcome or the crappy performances from the players.
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One of the many things that drove me mad at The New Den today was how piss poor our central strikers are at holding possession. Look at the way Withe or Carew or Benteke took the ball. They stood big and tall. Kodjia and Abrahams stick their arses out into the central defender and fall forward. All the time. It is basic coaching. Stand tall. That was just a shambles at the front, the middle and the back. Nyland and Taylor should never wear a Villa shirt again.
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Millwall, our new bogey team.....you've come a long way baby.
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I’d rather not judge Nyland before he is behind anything that even resembles a passable defence and a cohesive team.
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I dont direct one iota of blame towards Kevin MacDonald for today. He isn’t the man for this level but the players are and they didn’t show up. The exception being how Taylor gets anywhere near there first team. He plays like a bird. In fact, the bird out of Gregory’s Girl would shit all over him. If you’re under 40 and don’t know wtf I’m on about then get your Dad’s Betamax out of the loft and yer mum’s tissues from her bedside cabinet.
If you’re over 40, it’s past your bedtime.
Goodnight.
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Taylor is the footballing equivalent of childbirth. After a while, you forget how dreadful he is, give in, and let him have another go. He really is fucking painful to watch.
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Taylor is the footballing equivalent of childbirth. After a while, you forget how dreadful he is, give in, and let him have another go. He really is fucking painful to watch.
Lol.
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As said many times, you do not give a team an excuse and Kmacs pre game demeanor told you what to expect.
I was criticized for saying the new management acted too slowly and they did because we are cast adrift and another season in this division awaits.
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One of the many things that drove me mad at The New Den today was how piss poor our central strikers are at holding possession. Look at the way Withe or Carew or Benteke took the ball. They stood big and tall. Kodjia and Abrahams stick their arses out into the central defender and fall forward. All the time. It is basic coaching. Stand tall. That was just a shambles at the front, the middle and the back. Nyland and Taylor should never wear a Villa shirt again.
I completely agree with your comments re Abraham and Kodjia - back to goal they are useless. That means we have no way of bringing the midfielders forward into threatening positions.
Nyland, who is rooted to a his goal line liike an abandoned dog tethered to a lamppost 10 miles from home, kept seeking him out when he didn’t win a header all game against Cooper. Utterly moronic. Yet somehow McGinn was marking said giant at their corners. Fucking senseless.
We started well, then adjusted to normal settings and became shit and Millwall gained in confidence..Balls in the box became perilous and truth be told they should probably have won by one more. Not a single player earned credit today and some of them need to get in the gym and build their strength because they were muscled out of too many duels- I’m talking to you Hourihane, Taylor, Tuanzebe, Abraham. (Hutton too, but slight excuse as out of position.)
An afternoon of direwank.
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I’d rather not judge Nyland before he is behind anything that even resembles a passable defence and a cohesive team.
The problem is Paul, how long do you give him? Alarm bells were ringing in his first game against Wigan and haven't stopped since. From what I have seen of him so far, he looks like a second choice keeper at best at this level.
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I can see Nyland having an absolute shocker against Blose, being dropped and departing the club next Summer.
To stand a chance of getting promotion teams need a keeper that can gain them points through a season. This bloke will cost us points.
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One of the many things that drove me mad at The New Den today was how piss poor our central strikers are at holding possession. Look at the way Withe or Carew or Benteke took the ball. They stood big and tall. Kodjia and Abrahams stick their arses out into the central defender and fall forward. All the time. It is basic coaching. Stand tall. That was just a shambles at the front, the middle and the back. Nyland and Taylor should never wear a Villa shirt again.
I completely agree with your comments re Abraham and Kodjia - back to goal they are useless. That means we have no way of bringing the midfielders forward into threatening positions.
Nyland, who is rooted to a his goal line liike an abandoned dog tethered to a lamppost 10 miles from home, kept seeking him out when he didn’t win a header all game against Cooper. Utterly moronic. Yet somehow McGinn was marking said giant at their corners. Fucking senseless.
We started well, then adjusted to normal settings and became shit and Millwall gained in confidence..Balls in the box became perilous and truth be told they should probably have won by one more. Not a single player earned credit today and some of them need to get in the gym and build their strength because they were muscled out of too many duels- I’m talking to you Hourihane, Taylor, Tuanzebe, Abraham. (Hutton too, but slight excuse as out of position.)
An afternoon of direwank.
Abraham has looked a bit capable at times, but Kodjia very rarely looks up for a physical battle with defenders. With the amount of long, hopeful balls we play up to the front, we need a physical presence up there who can give defenders a hard time. We have needed that since Bruce arrived and began playing that way, yet apart from Grabban (and the times Davis played) it hasn't been sorted.
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I’d rather not judge Nyland before he is behind anything that even resembles a passable defence and a cohesive team.
The problem is Paul, how long do you give him? Alarm bells were ringing in his first game against Wigan and haven't stopped since. From what I have seen of him so far, he looks like a second choice keeper at best at this level.
It's a two way thing. Defenders need confidence in their keeper and vice-versa. He's not exactly had much to play behind has he?
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I’d rather not judge Nyland before he is behind anything that even resembles a passable defence and a cohesive team.
The problem is Paul, how long do you give him? Alarm bells were ringing in his first game against Wigan and haven't stopped since. From what I have seen of him so far, he looks like a second choice keeper at best at this level.
One of our fellow London Lions made the point that he is making the defence uncertain and that then radiates through the team
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Well I give him a chance to play in a team a competent manager can set up.
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Hopefully the new guy will see sense and bench Grealish. A few weeks of not walking into the team every week after mostly contributing sod all might spark something into his non-productive self.
I though for 60-70 minutes he was easily our best player today. Last 20 he was coming too deep again but that was a reflection of Tammy and Kodjia not being able to hold the ball up at all
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He’s gotta go!
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One of the many things that drove me mad at The New Den today was how piss poor our central strikers are at holding possession. Look at the way Withe or Carew or Benteke took the ball. They stood big and tall. Kodjia and Abrahams stick their arses out into the central defender and fall forward. All the time. It is basic coaching. Stand tall. That was just a shambles at the front, the middle and the back. Nyland and Taylor should never wear a Villa shirt again.
I completely agree with your comments re Abraham and Kodjia - back to goal they are useless. That means we have no way of bringing the midfielders forward into threatening positions.
Nyland, who is rooted to a his goal line liike an abandoned dog tethered to a lamppost 10 miles from home, kept seeking him out when he didn’t win a header all game against Cooper. Utterly moronic. Yet somehow McGinn was marking said giant at their corners. Fucking senseless.
We started well, then adjusted to normal settings and became shit and Millwall gained in confidence..Balls in the box became perilous and truth be told they should probably have won by one more. Not a single player earned credit today and some of them need to get in the gym and build their strength because they were muscled out of too many duels- I’m talking to you Hourihane, Taylor, Tuanzebe, Abraham. (Hutton too, but slight excuse as out of position.)
An afternoon of direwank.
Abraham has looked a bit capable at times, but Kodjia very rarely looks up for a physical battle with defenders. With the amount of long, hopeful balls we play up to the front, we need a physical presence up there who can give defenders a hard time. We have needed that since Bruce arrived and began playing that way, yet apart from Grabban (and the times Davis played) it hasn't been sorted.
Or we stop playing long hopeful balls up front. Surely that’s the future?
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I’d rather not judge Nyland before he is behind anything that even resembles a passable defence and a cohesive team.
The problem is Paul, how long do you give him? Alarm bells were ringing in his first game against Wigan and haven't stopped since. From what I have seen of him so far, he looks like a second choice keeper at best at this level.
It's a two way thing. Defenders need confidence in their keeper and vice-versa. He's not exactly had much to play behind has he?
Point taken, but he has made mistakes that haven't really had anything to do with anyone else. I could understand it if he was a kid, but he's pretty experienced and has played a number of internationals. As a comparison, I think he has had a worse start than Gollini did and look what happened to him.
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One of the many things that drove me mad at The New Den today was how piss poor our central strikers are at holding possession. Look at the way Withe or Carew or Benteke took the ball. They stood big and tall. Kodjia and Abrahams stick their arses out into the central defender and fall forward. All the time. It is basic coaching. Stand tall. That was just a shambles at the front, the middle and the back. Nyland and Taylor should never wear a Villa shirt again.
I completely agree with your comments re Abraham and Kodjia - back to goal they are useless. That means we have no way of bringing the midfielders forward into threatening positions.
Nyland, who is rooted to a his goal line liike an abandoned dog tethered to a lamppost 10 miles from home, kept seeking him out when he didn’t win a header all game against Cooper. Utterly moronic. Yet somehow McGinn was marking said giant at their corners. Fucking senseless.
We started well, then adjusted to normal settings and became shit and Millwall gained in confidence..Balls in the box became perilous and truth be told they should probably have won by one more. Not a single player earned credit today and some of them need to get in the gym and build their strength because they were muscled out of too many duels- I’m talking to you Hourihane, Taylor, Tuanzebe, Abraham. (Hutton too, but slight excuse as out of position.)
An afternoon of direwank.
Abraham has looked a bit capable at times, but Kodjia very rarely looks up for a physical battle with defenders. With the amount of long, hopeful balls we play up to the front, we need a physical presence up there who can give defenders a hard time. We have needed that since Bruce arrived and began playing that way, yet apart from Grabban (and the times Davis played) it hasn't been sorted.
Or we stop playing long hopeful balls up front. Surely that’s the future?
Here's hoping!
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I dont direct one iota of blame towards Kevin MacDonald for today. He isn’t the man for this level but the players are and they didn’t show up. The exception being how Taylor gets anywhere near there first team. He plays like a bird. In fact, the bird out of Gregory’s Girl would shit all over him. If you’re under 40 and don’t know wtf I’m on about then get your Dad’s Betamax out of the loft and yer mum’s tissues from her bedside cabinet.
If you’re over 40, it’s past your bedtime.
Goodnight.
I think he picked a chicken shit team. I know he didn't have Chester or Jedinak to select for defence and midfield but where was the attacking intent? Mentioning his mates getting binned in the presser put my back up and was a thumbed nose as those making the decisions. It was a bit of a freebee for him today but he might have picked a more adventurous side. I agree with others about Taylor. He is absolutely diabolical, clearly at fault for not concentrating for the first goal.
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Like eric black all over again.
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I’d rather not judge Nyland before he is behind anything that even resembles a passable defence and a cohesive team.
The problem is Paul, how long do you give him? Alarm bells were ringing in his first game against Wigan and haven't stopped since. From what I have seen of him so far, he looks like a second choice keeper at best at this level.
It's a two way thing. Defenders need confidence in their keeper and vice-versa. He's not exactly had much to play behind has he?
Point taken, but he has made mistakes that haven't really had anything to do with anyone else. I could understand it if he was a kid, but he's pretty experienced and has played a number of internationals. As a comparison, I think he has had a worse start than Gollini did and look what happened to him.
Which brings us full circle , when Bruce came in Gollini was identified as a weak link , young inexperienced keeper in the rough world of the Championship who Bruce discarded quickly.2 year later Bruce leaves and we have an even more suspect keeper .Honestly the state of the keepers and CB's at club you are left with simply 2 conclusions 1) Bruce deliberately sabotaged the team 2) He is incompetent
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One of the many things that drove me mad at The New Den today was how piss poor our central strikers are at holding possession. Look at the way Withe or Carew or Benteke took the ball. They stood big and tall. Kodjia and Abrahams stick their arses out into the central defender and fall forward. All the time. It is basic coaching. Stand tall. That was just a shambles at the front, the middle and the back. Nyland and Taylor should never wear a Villa shirt again.
I completely agree with your comments re Abraham and Kodjia - back to goal they are useless. That means we have no way of bringing the midfielders forward into threatening positions.
Nyland, who is rooted to a his goal line liike an abandoned dog tethered to a lamppost 10 miles from home, kept seeking him out when he didn’t win a header all game against Cooper. Utterly moronic. Yet somehow McGinn was marking said giant at their corners. Fucking senseless.
We started well, then adjusted to normal settings and became shit and Millwall gained in confidence..Balls in the box became perilous and truth be told they should probably have won by one more. Not a single player earned credit today and some of them need to get in the gym and build their strength because they were muscled out of too many duels- I’m talking to you Hourihane, Taylor, Tuanzebe, Abraham. (Hutton too, but slight excuse as out of position.)
An afternoon of direwank.
Abraham has looked a bit capable at times, but Kodjia very rarely looks up for a physical battle with defenders. With the amount of long, hopeful balls we play up to the front, we need a physical presence up there who can give defenders a hard time. We have needed that since Bruce arrived and began playing that way, yet apart from Grabban (and the times Davis played) it hasn't been sorted.
Our upturn in form in the New Year owed a lot to Grabban. He faded goals-wise towards the end of his spell here, but it prob didn't help that two of his main outlets in Snodgrass and Albert were knackered by then.
Johnston, Terry, Snodgrass and Grabban were all key players for us last year. The replacements haven't looked up to snuff at all.
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The frustrating thing is there are loads of decent reserve keepers in the premier league that would have probably come on loan.
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Taylor is the footballing equivalent of childbirth. After a while, you forget how dreadful he is, give in, and let him have another go. He really is fucking painful to watch.
Post of the week.👏👏👏
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The frustrating thing is there are loads of decent reserve keepers in the premier league that would have probably come on loan.
Ruddy would have been a no brainer. Forster needs to get his career going again too, wouldn't be the worst shout. Nyland doesn't even seem second choice standard to be honest and as for the other two options...
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Could have probably picked Ruddy up for a song. Might have needed to pay top end Champ/ lower end Prem wages, but keeper is one of those positions you don't phuck around with.
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I loved seeing Snoddy giving team mates a bollocking on the pitch when their passes went astray. He was only on loan, but seemed to care more than some of our own players did on occasion. We miss that now.
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I agree with the sentiments expressed in the above posts
If our team had a spine, they would have organised themselves to get a result today.
Imagine, Evans, Mortimer and Withe putting up with that crap. I am not talking about their undoubted ability either, but their character.
The new manager will have a lot on his plate. Much more than I thought a few matches ago.
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I don’t understand how really good and outstanding players can apparently fall apart in the face of one team when they have run riot over another, or even the same one, either side of half time.
Don’t they learn tactics from playing? Or talk to each other?
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I can see Nyland having an absolute shocker against Blose, being dropped and departing the club next Summer.
To stand a chance of getting promotion teams need a keeper that can gain them points through a season. This bloke will cost us points.
This bloke has already cost us points. Re the other comments about defence and keeper making each other nervous and vice versa, it is a bit chicken and egg but there's no excuse for the frequency of mistakes Nyland's made. The only keeper who has put in a decent performance for us this season is no longer at the club.
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I don’t understand how really good and outstanding players can apparently fall apart in the face of one team when they have run riot over another, or even the same one, either side of half time.
Don’t they learn tactics from playing? Or talk to each other?
There's more than a good chance that they don't talk to each other. I don't like, or talk, to everyone on my team at work.
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I don’t understand how really good and outstanding players can apparently fall apart....
Im questioning how good our players really are.
Don’t they learn tactics from playing? Or talk to each other?
Clearly not.
We have been managed by people with little vision and mediocre coaching capability.
We’ve been treading water - or going backwards - for a decade.
Depressing, huh?
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I've only seen the goals but it sounded very drab despite taking the lead again.
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To round off a totally cold, wet, horrible football day we got kettled by the police for forty minutes in the pissing rain. We were effectively imprisoned for not having come to the ground on a train or an away fans' coach but on foot. When I dared to demonstrate with the arrogant hostile officer in charge he told me that it was for my own safety. Both I and my son put it to him that the police's duty was to tackle the source of the danger to us, not to take away our basic rights so that Millwall supporters can go on being thugs.
The final straw was for us kettled Villa fans to be told over a public address system that every one of us was being watched by CCTV and would be arrested if we continued to break the law I.e. Shout at the police.
Sorry if this should be in the travel section. I had to get it off my chest.
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I don’t understand how really good and outstanding players can apparently fall apart in the face of one team when they have run riot over another, or even the same one, either side of half time.
Don’t they learn tactics from playing? Or talk to each other?
It’s the mental resolve Louise. It’s just as important and sometimes more important than physical side as it dissipates much quicker.
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Brian that sounds so like 1980s. I remember a similar situation outside Wolverhampton station when they finally pounced and plucked out your’s truly and another “victim” and kept us for couple of hours before letting us go to make our way home.
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I agree with the sentiments expressed in the above posts
If our team had a spine, they would have organised themselves to get a result today.
Imagine, Evans, Mortimer and Withe putting up with that crap. I am not talking about their undoubted ability either, but their character.
The new manager will have a lot on his plate. Much more than I thought a few matches ago.
Agreed.
A spine in both senses of the word.
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To round off a totally cold, wet, horrible football day we got kettled by the police for forty minutes in the pissing rain. We were effectively imprisoned for not having come to the ground on a train or an away fans' coach but on foot. When I dared to demonstrate with the arrogant hostile officer in charge he told me that it was for my own safety. Both I and my son put it to him that the police's duty was to tackle the source of the danger to us, not to take away our basic rights so that Millwall supporters can go on being thugs.
The final straw was for us kettled Villa fans to be told over a public address system that every one of us was being watched by CCTV and would be arrested if we continued to break the law I.e. Shout at the police.
Sorry if this should be in the travel section. I had to get it off my chest.
One or two people I know have mentioned that they were kept back for a while in the rain. I sympathise, it's one of the reason's why I don't bother with the Blues away games. I suppose it would be a bit of a risk letting people random people walk out of an away end at a place like Millwall. It shouldn't be like that though I know.
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We were kept waiting for the train for 40 odd minutes. There was no Millwall on the ground hardly either. It's pathetic the set up there pandering to the wankers.
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If our team had a spine, they would have organised themselves to get a result today.
Yes quite. It was similar to Preston second half. Yes we can blame Bruce but that night it was pathetic on pitch lack of leadership that did us.
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Yes it is all 1984 -very Orwellian
I feel your pain Brian - you feel so helpless in those circumstances
Unfortunately my respect for the police diminishes daily as I hear more and more about their unreasonable actions
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I loved seeing Snoddy giving team mates a bollocking on the pitch when their passes went astray. He was only on loan, but seemed to care more than some of our own players did on occasion. We miss that now.
I still speak to Snodgrass and the best thing is that when he talks about Villa, he still refers to them as ‘us’ which is cool.
On ano topic, I just came back from a week in Greece and whilst wearing a Villa polo shirt I got speaking to a German that had a season ticket at Ingolstadt. He asked about Nyland and said he’d be an average squad player, when I told him he was our number one he raised his eyebrows and muttered the word ‘Unbelieveable’.
Says it all.
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Always odd weather and lock ins at Millwall; snow, blistering heat and torrential rain.
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Agree Ads but this time I decided and with my son and one or two other brave fans we decided to push back against the lock ins. The met and Millwall are taking the piss now.
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Agree Ads but this time I decided and with my son and one or two other brave fans we decided to push back against the lock ins. The met and Millwall are taking the piss now.
I think I asked the question last time it happened at Blues, but what right do the police have to keep you effectively imprisoned against your will? Even allowing for "it's in your own best interest", if you decided to ignore their advice and try to leave peacefully, what are they legally allowed to do about it?
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I can see Nyland having an absolute shocker against Blose, being dropped and departing the club next Summer.
To stand a chance of getting promotion teams need a keeper that can gain them points through a season. This bloke will cost us points.
This bloke has already cost us points. Re the other comments about defence and keeper making each other nervous and vice versa, it is a bit chicken and egg but there's no excuse for the frequency of mistakes Nyland's made. The only keeper who has put in a decent performance for us this season is no longer at the club.
Yep and I think a lot of people on here said in the summer that Steer needed to be given a chance this season. As it was, he had a decent game at Hull and then was sent out on loan with two seemingly inferior keepers being brought in.
I don't know if Bruce and his team didn't rate Steer and he did make that one error in pre-season, but I still think he deserved a chance.
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Feel for you Brian, but the Met are notorious wankers. I suppose their reasoning though is that you could film Zombie Trogladyte Apocalypse around the Old Kent Road and use all the locals as extras without need for acting or make-up.
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The frustrating thing is there are loads of decent reserve keepers in the premier league that would have probably come on loan.
There is a highly rated young keeper at Manchester United called Dean Henderson who was on loan at Shrewsbury last season and did really well there. He's now at Sheffield United doing well there and is just one example of the kind of player you are talking about.
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We left about 5 mins before the end, walked straight to South Bermondsey station and were in London Bridge, being refused entry into the Barrowboy and Banker by 5pm. Another great afternoon and evening ruined by the performance on the pitch.
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I loved seeing Snoddy giving team mates a bollocking on the pitch when their passes went astray. He was only on loan, but seemed to care more than some of our own players did on occasion. We miss that now.
I still speak to Snodgrass and the best thing is that when he talks about Villa, he still refers to them as ‘us’ which is cool.
Interesting. We a really miss that determination and drive from senior pros.
How do you know him?
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To round off a totally cold, wet, horrible football day we got kettled by the police for forty minutes in the pissing rain. We were effectively imprisoned for not having come to the ground on a train or an away fans' coach but on foot. When I dared to demonstrate with the arrogant hostile officer in charge he told me that it was for my own safety. Both I and my son put it to him that the police's duty was to tackle the source of the danger to us, not to take away our basic rights so that Millwall supporters can go on being thugs.
The final straw was for us kettled Villa fans to be told over a public address system that every one of us was being watched by CCTV and would be arrested if we continued to break the law I.e. Shout at the police.
Sorry if this should be in the travel section. I had to get it off my chest.
Totally agree, Brian. The last time I went to the New Den was the awful cup game, when we were locked in the compound, not even moving as we did yesterday, in the freezing cold. I shan't be going there again, or to Blues.
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Thank you for your support lads. I get very angry at being addressed over public address loudspeakers like I am a criminal for wanting to go home after the game. My son is a TV journalist and legendary ex editor of the Southwark News, my other son is a Southwark Councillor, I am a decorated veteran. As the wonderful Ron Saunders said "Do you want to bet against us?"
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Speak to your MP, Bri.
It's 2018, and we're still putting up with nonsense that's applied to no other section of society.
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The final straw was for us kettled Villa fans to be told over a public address system that every one of us was being watched by CCTV and would be arrested if we continued to break the law I.e. Shout at the police.
Sorry if this should be in the travel section. I had to get it off my chest.
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I heard that tannoy announcement and thought it rather strange. As for being held back, can’t say it would have been too much of an issue for me had it not been hammering down with rain.
I know a fair few Millwall fans and they’re no different to most of the many Villa fans I know. To be honest I saw more Villa fans gesticulating and acting like twats at the final whistle than I did from the Millwall end. It seems some of our lot get extremely ‘brave’ when they know that they have the safety of a fully secured walkway and numerous police officers.
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I can't say I'm in the least bit surprised at yesterday's debacle. The one thing that did shock me though was that we not only scored - but we scored first!
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Agree Ads but this time I decided and with my son and one or two other brave fans we decided to push back against the lock ins. The met and Millwall are taking the piss now.
Brian, there is a woman solicitor (unfortunately I don't know her name) who deals with these sort of issues to try and get the police to deal with football fans as human beings instead of cattle! Have seen her name mentioned via the Football Supporters Federation (FSF), hope that helps.
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I think the Kettling at the away end is to allow the Millwall fans to get away from the ground and the station (not because they're kicking off), to mix at South Bermondsey station would be a nightmare. They always let you out before the final whistle, like a few of us did yesterday, always worth missing a few minutes of that tripe to get in a nice warm pub.
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Bad weather rubbish football but at least I had a few good beers with my mates before the game.
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The final straw was for us kettled Villa fans to be told over a public address system that every one of us was being watched by CCTV and would be arrested if we continued to break the law I.e. Shout at the police.
Sorry if this should be in the travel section. I had to get it off my chest.
I heard that tannoy announcement and thought it rather strange. As for being held back, can’t say it would have been too much of an issue for me had it not been hammering down with rain.
I know a fair few Millwall fans and they’re no different to most of the many Villa fans I know. To be honest I saw more Villa fans gesticulating and acting like twats at the final whistle than I did from the Millwall end. It seems some of our lot get extremely ‘brave’ when they know that they have the safety of a fully secured walkway and numerous police officers.
that announcement was because various villa fans were throwing coins and missiles at millwall fans on the walkway below, about halfway down the path.
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Haven't read all this thread so apologies if it's been previously been discussed, but having just watched the extended highlights on Pravda, what a bunch of fuckin' cheats and thugs them Bermondsey lot.
For their first goal, the free-kick needlessly given away by McGinn's body-check, is taken a good 10-15 years closer to the side of the pitch than the more central position where the actual foul was committed, presumably to give the free-kick taker a better angle. Neil Taylor is subsequently caught ball-watching for the knockdown but the free-kick should never have been allowed from that position.
Then, for their winner, the move that leads to the corner where they score the goal from, this time it's McGinn who doesn't get so much body-checked as completely taken-out by one of their pricks just as he offloads the ball and the game is allowed to continue.
It doesn't look like we played well yesterday but it doesn't look like we were out-footballed either, just undone by underhand tactics from a band of savages.
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Someone has posted on a Facebook forum that Hutton told our fans to f’off at the end, can anyone confirm this?
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Someone has posted on a Facebook forum that Hutton told our fans to f’off at the end, can anyone confirm this?
In all honesty I didn’t see him do that. Think he was taking some stick, and seemed a bit bemused by it. He started to come over, then stopped and stared a a section, certainly didn’t see anything from him except a few stares. Jack got a loads of abuse, single finger & hand gestures from some fans in front of me
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Like some of the others we left a few minutes early and walked straight out.
On the train to London Bridge we had to suffer some of ours trying to get the Tracey Andrews song going followed by Ten German Bombers.
As my son suggested, it is unlikely that they'd spent the morning at the Imperial War Museum.
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I don’t understand how really good and outstanding players can apparently fall apart in the face of one team when they have run riot over another, or even the same one, either side of half time.
Don’t they learn tactics from playing? Or talk to each other?
There's more than a good chance that they don't talk to each other. I don't like, or talk, to everyone on my team at work.
I don’t know how immediate the need is to talk to each other ( rather than emailing :) ) at your place of work, but on a pitch, for 90 minutes, it seems imperative to me that the players can at least communicate!
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I don’t understand how really good and outstanding players can apparently fall apart....
Im questioning how good our players really are.
Don’t they learn tactics from playing? Or talk to each other?
Clearly not.
We have been managed by people with little vision and mediocre coaching capability.
We’ve been treading water - or going backwards - for a decade.
Depressing, huh?
Well, very, Mister E!
Let’s hope the new owners and CEO find us a coaching set up that can address this and re- discover the talents coached out of some of our players.
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I don’t understand how really good and outstanding players can apparently fall apart in the face of one team when they have run riot over another, or even the same one, either side of half time.
Don’t they learn tactics from playing? Or talk to each other?
It’s the mental resolve Louise. It’s just as important and sometimes more important than physical side as it dissipates much quicker.
I agree about the mental resolve, Aftab. Certainly seems to have gone south with JT, if the match reports about our defence struggling are accurate, which is why i’m hoping he will be part of whoever’s managerial set up we inherit next.
I do wonder what the difference was this season if it wasn’t him*, if you know what I mean.
Fingers and everything crossed for a result and a dream team!
*or Snoddy