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Title: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: kieron on August 22, 2018, 05:32:31 PM
https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1032304161508007936

Welcome - season long loan.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi
Post by: villadelph on August 22, 2018, 05:40:49 PM
Welcome to the club, balls in the back of the net please!

Hopefully with this influx of attackers it will deter our long ball habits.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi
Post by: Villan For Life on August 22, 2018, 05:44:14 PM
Welcome to the Villa
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi
Post by: Villafirst on August 22, 2018, 05:45:58 PM
Welcome Anwar - help fire us back to the Premier League!
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi
Post by: achilles on August 22, 2018, 06:00:21 PM
Hopefully he can bring a bit of the Ajax way to Villa Park!

All the best! UTV
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi
Post by: SashasGrandad on August 22, 2018, 06:09:33 PM
Hopefully he can bring a bit of the Ajax way to Villa Park!

All the best! UTV

Should be able to show defenders a clean pair of heels.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 22, 2018, 06:10:22 PM
Welcome Anwar, never heard of you but hope you do well!
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 22, 2018, 06:14:34 PM
I know his brother Ben
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi
Post by: Three Spires Villa on August 22, 2018, 06:17:54 PM
Good luck, all the very best :D
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 22, 2018, 06:21:36 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DlN-Qw_WwAIQfF0.jpg)

Quote
Aston Villa is delighted to announce the signing of Anwar El Ghazi from Lille on a season-long loan.

The winger is a graduate of the academy at Dutch giants, Ajax for whom he played over 70 times including in the Champions League where he scored against Barcelona in the Nou Camp in 2014.

Capped at senior international level by the Netherlands, El Ghazi has been with Lille since January 2017.

He said: ďI am thrilled to join a football club of the size of Aston Villa.

ďI visited Villa Park late last night after flying in from Holland and it gave me goosebumps.

ďI canít wait to get out there and experience it for real and play in front of such passionate fans.Ē
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi
Post by: villadelph on August 22, 2018, 06:27:12 PM
^ Good answer  8)
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi
Post by: manic-road on August 22, 2018, 06:30:10 PM
Welcome Anwar, now do the business on the pitch.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi
Post by: darren woolley on August 22, 2018, 06:49:55 PM
Welcome to Aston Villa Anwar.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi
Post by: george avfc on August 22, 2018, 06:51:50 PM
Adaptable twice-capped Netherlands international El Ghazi can also play at left-back and in the centre of defence

Taken from the BBC website. So that's the CB problem solved then....
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 22, 2018, 06:53:00 PM
Adaptable twice-capped Netherlands international El Ghazi can also play at left-back and in the centre of defence

Taken from the BBC website. So that's the CB problem solved then....

He canít be worse than Jedinak.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 22, 2018, 06:53:28 PM
Good luck young man. Do us proud.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi
Post by: KevinGage on August 22, 2018, 06:53:38 PM
When did we become Ameriken.

And did a Dutch Moroccan really say goosebumps. 
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi
Post by: george avfc on August 22, 2018, 06:55:07 PM
Adaptable twice-capped Netherlands international El Ghazi can also play at left-back and in the centre of defence

Taken from the BBC website. So that's the CB problem solved then....

He canít be worse than Jedinak.

True. Hopefully a bit more mobile though!
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi
Post by: dave shelley on August 22, 2018, 06:56:49 PM
Welcome kidder, please play good football.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi
Post by: Newby on August 22, 2018, 07:00:21 PM
Never heard of him but will be interesting to see where he fits in. Welcome Anwar.  Goosebumps eh?  Good lad.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 22, 2018, 07:16:22 PM
welcome Anwar  dont be Tonev and be more like smodgrass
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: The Man With A Stick on August 22, 2018, 07:19:28 PM
When did we become Ameriken.

And did a Dutch Moroccan really say goosebumps. 

He probably said gooshbumpsh.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on August 22, 2018, 07:30:32 PM
My buddy from Eindhoven just text  me - doesn't like him as he is from Ajax :) but goes on to say he is a dangerous player
Hopefully an exciting player
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: sickbeggar on August 22, 2018, 07:51:29 PM
Looks a decent punt. young,  lost his way a bit. Maybe a fresh start is what he needs
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 22, 2018, 07:58:37 PM
Good work by AT.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 22, 2018, 08:03:26 PM
Good work by AT.

Eh? You on the right thread?
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 22, 2018, 08:05:54 PM
Not for that post.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: NeilH on August 22, 2018, 09:15:15 PM
Did well at Ajax and then got injured. Watched him on his comeback as he played for Jong Ajax vs my adopted Dutch club and he tore them a new arsehole for 90mins. Great player
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: kieron on August 23, 2018, 12:01:36 AM
Here's his interview, seems genuinely proud and excited.

Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 23, 2018, 12:03:47 AM
Never heard of this guy but seems like he was an exciting player at Ajax, scored 20 in 70 games for them and Eredivise is similar level to championship.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: tomd2103 on August 23, 2018, 12:09:05 AM
Just watched some clips of him and he looks like a predominantly right footed wide forward who can play on both flanks.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi
Post by: footyskillz on August 23, 2018, 09:00:47 AM
Adaptable twice-capped Netherlands international El Ghazi can also play at left-back and in the centre of defence

Taken from the BBC website. So that's the CB problem solved then....

He canít be worse than Jedinak.

True. Hopefully a bit more mobile though!

Can he actually ?
Can anyone inform me and rest of h and v if he can play as a left back.

I feel the info is wrong and he's essentially a winger and attack minded player.

Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: footyskillz on August 23, 2018, 09:01:34 AM
My buddy from Eindhoven just text  me - doesn't like him as he is from Ajax :) but goes on to say he is a dangerous player
Hopefully an exciting player

Can you find out please if this guy is a left back operator or just a left winger
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Risso on August 23, 2018, 10:17:43 AM
He's a Mendes client it seems.

Surely that BBC article should say centre forward and not defence.  There's nothing anywhere about him ever having played in defence, he's a goal scoring winger/forward.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Des Little on August 23, 2018, 10:25:15 AM
My buddy from Eindhoven just text  me - doesn't like him as he is from Ajax :) but goes on to say he is a dangerous player
Hopefully an exciting player

Can you find out please if this guy is a left back operator or just a left winger

He'll be a right back.  And like it.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: john e on August 23, 2018, 10:29:52 AM
He's a Mendes client it seems.

Surely that BBC article should say centre forward and not defence.  There's nothing anywhere about him ever having played in defence, he's a goal scoring winger/forward.

and itís no good asking Bruce what his position is because he definitely wonít know
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Walmley_Villa on August 23, 2018, 10:37:54 AM
Wonder if Albert will end up back at Boro on loan?
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Duncan Shaw on August 23, 2018, 10:50:16 AM
Wonder if Albert will end up back at Boro on loan?
I thought that this morning, there will need to be a fall guy, but then he played a lot better last night.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: garyshawsknee on August 23, 2018, 10:54:26 AM
I was wondering that, 2 or 3 will have to go out on loan, maybe Green and BB also.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: cdbullyweefan on August 23, 2018, 10:55:03 AM
I wouldn't want to help out a rival, and I feel Albert could still have an important role to play. The arrival of El Ghazi and Bolasie could, I suppose, allow us to loan out Green. Even then I would want a recall clause, just in case.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Nelson Lodge on August 23, 2018, 11:18:24 AM
He's a Mendes client it seems.

Surely that BBC article should say centre forward and not defence.  There's nothing anywhere about him ever having played in defence, he's a goal scoring winger/forward.

and itís no good asking Bruce what his position is because he definitely wonít know

Transfer Market site says he is mainly a left winger with centre forward and right wing as his other positions. It also says he is right footed and 1.89m tall. Also gives Mendes' company GestiFute as his agent.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Des Little on August 23, 2018, 11:25:59 AM
Green needs a loan move - to me he looks devoid of confidence of late.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Drummond on August 23, 2018, 12:13:42 PM
When did we become Ameriken.

And did a Dutch Moroccan really say goosebumps. 

He probably said gooshbumpsh.

We're signing Sean Connery?!
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: footyskillz on August 23, 2018, 04:48:54 PM
My buddy from Eindhoven just text  me - doesn't like him as he is from Ajax :) but goes on to say he is a dangerous player
Hopefully an exciting player

Can you find out please if this guy is a left back operator or just a left winger

He'll be a right back.  And like it.

Well that's a relief as if he's a right back he probably won't play there and at left back or further forward! Haha
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: footyskillz on August 23, 2018, 04:50:26 PM
He's a Mendes client it seems.

Surely that BBC article should say centre forward and not defence.  There's nothing anywhere about him ever having played in defence, he's a goal scoring winger/forward.

Exactly ! In all seriousness sounds like he is a winger and hearing a bruce interview he says he can play either side ...!
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: clash city rocker on August 23, 2018, 05:05:50 PM
Well with the level of coaching he will receive at villa he will be off to Barcelona next summer.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: footyskillz on August 24, 2018, 09:56:50 AM
Bruce says in press conference providing El ghazi gets international clearance he will be involved tomorrow.

And that El ghazi someone who will be exciting to watch
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Damo70 on August 24, 2018, 10:32:47 AM
I am surprised Lille let him go out on loan. He played 39 games for them last season.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: frank black on August 24, 2018, 10:35:37 AM
I am surprised Lille let him go out on loan. He played 39 games for them last season.

FFP apparently
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: footyskillz on August 24, 2018, 11:39:32 AM
I am surprised Lille let him go out on loan. He played 39 games for them last season.

Jorge Mendes intervention.

Bruce was talking about anwar saying stuff but this was a Mendes offering rather than a Bruce move was it not?

He fits profile of what needed and then owners got Mendes on case and came up with this transfer .

Think Bruce won't mind this move but the portugeezer resrve gk could be another story
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Ads on August 24, 2018, 12:12:40 PM
I don't know much about him, but a 24 year old on the fringes of the Dutch squad, having played for a Ligue 1 side for practically the entire season (albeit a struggling one with financial issues) doesn't leap out as the sort of ordinary signing a Championship club could make.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Ger Regan on August 24, 2018, 12:22:19 PM
He seems a decent size as well, particularly for a winger (?).
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 24, 2018, 12:55:22 PM
Well with the level of coaching he will receive at villa he will be off to Barcelona next summer.

Or Tottenham
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: jwarry on August 24, 2018, 02:26:40 PM
I am surprised Lille let him go out on loan. He played 39 games for them last season.

They are in a bigger shit than we are/were
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: brian green on August 24, 2018, 02:54:59 PM
My tribe and I frequently visit Majestic Wine in Coquelles, Calais.  The lads there are mad Lille fans.  I will sound them out.  They were spot on about Ayew, Veretout and Garde.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Matt Collins on August 24, 2018, 03:42:05 PM
Adaptable twice-capped Netherlands international El Ghazi can also play at left-back and in the centre of defence

Taken from the BBC website. So that's the CB problem solved then....

He canít be worse than Jedinak.

There's no way he can play at centre back
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Newby on August 24, 2018, 06:48:07 PM
He looks a big lad, tall.  I hope he's as good as Bruce says he is.  Did we get the clearance to play him tomorrow?  I can't find anything that we did.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 24, 2018, 06:51:41 PM
Adaptable twice-capped Netherlands international El Ghazi can also play at left-back and in the centre of defence

Taken from the BBC website. So that's the CB problem solved then....

He canít be worse than Jedinak.

There's no way he can play at centre back

I was joking to be fair.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: cdbullyweefan on August 24, 2018, 07:41:01 PM
Can he play tomorrow?
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Richard E on August 24, 2018, 07:48:59 PM
Can he play tomorrow?

As of this morning we were still waiting for confirmation his international clearance had come through.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 24, 2018, 07:51:15 PM
Heís from the EU isnít he?
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Chris Stares on August 24, 2018, 08:45:47 PM
Heís from the EU isnít he?
You still have to get international clearance to transfer between clubs in football federations in different countries.  I think that even applies for  transfers between Scotland and England for example, so we would have had to have received international clearance for McGinn when he joined us from Hibs before he could play for us.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: paul_e on August 24, 2018, 09:10:54 PM
Heís from the EU isnít he?

Yep but this isn't a work permit, it's a player registration, it often takes a couple of days for players coming from abroad.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 24, 2018, 09:18:59 PM
Ah ok cheers.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Ads on August 25, 2018, 12:25:34 AM
There's a YouTube video him arriving at BHX and seeing the home of football for the first time.

Lovely to.see his reaction to how good Villa Park is and how John Terry has been telling Loic Remy about how good our away following is.

Special place Villa Park, especially under lights. That proved controversial for a few the last time I uttered it.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: villan from luton on August 25, 2018, 12:34:26 AM
Ads, he comes across as a lad who really wants to come to the club and pleased with that. Hopefully another plus for John Terry as well, know he is Chelsea through and through, but he also has felt real passion at Villa and the away support is second to none, We have to make VP a fortress as well where opposition players worry
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: paul_e on August 25, 2018, 12:39:05 AM
Ads, he comes across as a lad who really wants to come to the club and pleased with that. Hopefully another plus for John Terry as well, know he is Chelsea through and through, but he also has felt real passion at Villa and the away support is second to none, We have to make VP a fortress as well where opposition players worry

Villa park is a fortress, our home record is fine. We need to go away against midtable teams planning on winning the game rather than playing to keep it tight and cross our fingers. Too many times last season we seemed content to play for the clean sheet against teams we'd have smashed if we'd just attacked them.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 25, 2018, 12:49:57 AM
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: villan from luton on August 25, 2018, 12:51:29 AM
We have a great record at home, but many of them have been lucky to be fair. Go at teams and the same goes for away games. If we have the players, impose themselves and this is my problem with the manager and I hope he will kick on from Wednesday and let them express themselves
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 25, 2018, 01:00:58 AM
I think our home record is W27 D16 L5, which is pretty decent.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Ads on August 25, 2018, 08:06:49 AM
Just watched his Ajax YouTube video.

Always difficult to get a true picture but from what you can see he appears;

Very quick
Very strong
Good on his left or right foot
Hits a shot like a traction engine

Hopefully he got international clearance so we can have a look at him today.

I think his pace would certainly help away from home. I don't think we've been good enough as a counter attacking unit away from home as we have never been able to stretch teams with pace.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Fasth56 on August 25, 2018, 09:04:23 AM
He really comes across well, however I have one question, Why the F^"K has Micah Richards got a locker at Bodymoor Heath?
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: London Villan on August 25, 2018, 09:12:53 AM
He really comes across well, however I have one question, Why the F^"K has Micah Richards got a locker at Bodymoor Heath?

Itís where he keeps his mop and bucket.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: GarTomas on August 25, 2018, 01:32:34 PM
He really comes across well, however I have one question, Why the F^"K has Micah Richards got a locker at Bodymoor Heath?

Itís where he keeps his mop and bucket.

Itís full of bantz apparently
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: footyskillz on September 01, 2018, 09:26:10 AM
El Ghazi is 4.5/1  to score today think he has a chance .

Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: footyskillz on September 02, 2018, 08:41:21 AM
A pleasant surprise that I have seen won some wonga after tipping him up to score completely forgot as was in different mind after the loss!

Well played El Ghazi scoring first goal.

And thank you ! 4.5/1 paddypower was big a price !
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PeterWithe on September 02, 2018, 10:33:35 AM
None too keen on the physical side of the game but that will come
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 07, 2018, 07:00:51 PM
For anyone interested

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dmfz-gEXgAA-Qe5.jpg)
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Mortimer's Bear on September 11, 2018, 10:02:21 AM
For anyone interested

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dmfz-gEXgAA-Qe5.jpg)

During school time? I can't see them queuing round the block for this one.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: andyh on September 11, 2018, 05:59:14 PM
Apparently he let something slip  about the lack of visibility of  Bruce at training.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: KevinGage on September 11, 2018, 06:38:23 PM
Well those Greggs sausage rolls wonít eat themselves.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: eamonn on September 11, 2018, 07:34:26 PM
Apparently he let something slip  about the lack of visibility of  Bruce at training.

Go on...
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: andyh on September 11, 2018, 07:58:49 PM
Apparently he let something slip  about the lack of visibility of  Bruce at training.

Go on...
Not much more to add, he just said he hadnít seen Bruce at training in days.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 11, 2018, 09:23:23 PM
In fairness it's because he's away scouting.

He's determined to find out what Gregg's do with the leftovers at the end of the day.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Newby on September 11, 2018, 10:00:24 PM
In fairness it's because he's away scouting.

He's determined to find out what Gregg's do with the leftovers at the end of the day.

Yeah, scouting a 38 year old that he used to play golf with!!
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: ozzjim on September 11, 2018, 10:11:23 PM
Bruce went to Moscow to scout out the hospitals to beg JT, all the while not realising he was in Rome. Poor Steve. Only just got over chasing Joe Bryan to Fulham now this.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Clampy on September 12, 2018, 08:27:57 AM
Apparently he let something slip  about the lack of visibility of  Bruce at training.

Go on...
Not much more to add, he just said he hadnít seen Bruce at training in days.

I wonder if it's because a fair few of the squad are on international duty?
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Mortimer's Bear on September 12, 2018, 08:54:24 AM
I ended up taking my lad to this, El Ghazi seemed pleasant enough and took time to speak to him rather than just sign an autograph.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on September 12, 2018, 09:43:12 AM
Apparently he let something slip  about the lack of visibility of  Bruce at training.

Go on...
Not much more to add, he just said he hadnít seen Bruce at training in days.

I wonder if it's because a fair few of the squad are on international duty?

Thereís still more than enough players there to make training sessions worthwhile. Maybe Iím old fashioned but Iíd rather see Bruce working his ass off to belatedly kickstart our season (and save his own job) rather than treat himself to another holiday in Portugal.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on September 12, 2018, 04:56:24 PM


I was under the impression the coaches took training not Bruce anyway.

Is that not the case ?
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: chrisw1 on September 12, 2018, 05:46:25 PM


I was under the impression the coaches took training not Bruce anyway.

Is that not the case ?
He should be there whether he takes it or not.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Hookeysmith on September 12, 2018, 06:01:25 PM
This is in no way support of Bruce but the likes of MON hardly ever was at training. He designed and developed the way He wanted to play and the coaches drilled into the players.

Now I don't think for a second tactics Steve has developed a "style " of play as yet. Well if he has he has kept it to himself
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 12, 2018, 08:03:42 PM
Warnock is like that aswell, it's an old school English coaching thing to leave most of the week to the coaches and then manager comes in a day or two before the game to assess things.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: andyh on September 12, 2018, 11:08:11 PM
I wonder how Pep manages/coaches?
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 12, 2018, 11:12:48 PM
Have a look on Amazon Prime and you'll soon see. When you do you'll probably feel it's a different sport to "put your boots on" Bruce.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: tomd2103 on September 14, 2018, 08:29:27 AM
Warnock is like that aswell, it's an old school English coaching thing to leave most of the week to the coaches and then manager comes in a day or two before the game to assess things.

I remember hearing O'Neill saying something like he felt the players would get tired of hearing his voice if he was there constantly, so he wouldn't be there all the time as he wanted his presence to have an impact and keep players on their toes.  Guess he got it from Brian Clough.   
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Hookeysmith on September 14, 2018, 12:32:22 PM
Warnock is like that aswell, it's an old school English coaching thing to leave most of the week to the coaches and then manager comes in a day or two before the game to assess things.

I remember hearing O'Neill saying something like he felt the players would get tired of hearing his voice if he was there constantly, so he wouldn't be there all the time as he wanted his presence to have an impact and keep players on their toes.  Guess he got it from Brian Clough.   

Correct and to be honest don't think its such a bad thing if the Managers philosophy can be clearly seen in the performances - but that is the point we have a team with no identity
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: eamonn on September 15, 2018, 10:55:32 AM
So what do these managers do during the days they're not training, read H&V all day at the office in VP while laughing their arses off?
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: cdbullyweefan on September 15, 2018, 11:01:30 AM
Write football-themed detective novels.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 15, 2018, 11:01:41 AM
Get spotted in kebab shops?
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on September 15, 2018, 11:04:37 AM
Spotted? or potted;)
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 15, 2018, 05:01:28 PM
So what do these managers do during the days they're not training, read H&V all day at the office in VP while laughing their arses off?

I think he posts on here too.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Risso on September 15, 2018, 05:04:05 PM
So what do these managers do during the days they're not training, read H&V all day at the office in VP while laughing their arses off?

I think he posts on here too.

Sirlordbruciemore?! ;)
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: olaftab on September 15, 2018, 05:05:26 PM
Pleased Bruce has left out this waster. He was getting a bit ahead of himself by scoring and providing assists. Obviously foreign lad doesnít know the English way so Bruce is teaching him a lesson
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Dave on September 15, 2018, 07:51:45 PM
Pleased Bruce has left out this waster. He was getting a bit ahead of himself by scoring and providing assists. Obviously foreign lad doesnít know the English way so Bruce is teaching him a lesson

Quite. Talented player turns up and is surprised that a shit manager is shit, gets binned out.

File alongside Veretout, Amavi, Adama et al.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Risso on September 15, 2018, 08:33:25 PM
It shows what Bruce thinks of him if he starts a player he was willing to let go to Boro, ahead of him.  The owners might want a more youthful, energetic, expansive team, but Bruce will always turn to what he knows.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: ChicagoLion on September 15, 2018, 08:33:53 PM
Pleased Bruce has left out this waster. He was getting a bit ahead of himself by scoring and providing assists. Obviously foreign lad doesnít know the English way so Bruce is teaching him a lesson

Quite. Talented player turns up and is surprised that a shit manager is shit, gets binned out.

File alongside Veretout, Amavi, Adama et al.
That French kid saw Bruce arranging the wheels bins on the training pitch and fucked off back to France pronto.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 15, 2018, 08:41:30 PM
Goals and assists who would want him in the team. Fuck off Bruce.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PeterWithe on September 15, 2018, 09:48:00 PM
Dunno about this, he didnít show much stomach for the fight at Sheffield, think Bruce called this one right.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 15, 2018, 11:52:23 PM
I sort of agree, think he'll be picked more for home games where we should be on the front foot.

Sounds like he disappeared in Sheffield where we had to defend and scrap so can understand for next away game why he went with Adomah and obviously Bolaise when he's fully fit.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Matt Collins on September 16, 2018, 06:06:51 AM
Yeah I hope he'll start w Kodjia and Abraham in a proper front three on Tuesday
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Clampy on September 17, 2018, 08:33:38 AM
Dunno about this, he didnít show much stomach for the fight at Sheffield, think Bruce called this one right.

I think that's a tad unfair. He wasn't any worse than anyone else up at Sheffield and it was only his second game with us.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: cdbullyweefan on September 17, 2018, 09:24:05 AM
And he scored.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: brontebilly on September 17, 2018, 09:27:02 AM
Dunno about this, he didnít show much stomach for the fight at Sheffield, think Bruce called this one right.

Three subs that came on also were lively. Starting with Elmo on right wing is effectively wasting a sub though
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on September 17, 2018, 11:47:53 AM
Dunno about this, he didnít show much stomach for the fight at Sheffield, think Bruce called this one right.

Three subs that came on also were lively. Starting with Elmo on right wing is effectively wasting a sub though

Agree, he should be RB instead of Hutton
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: dcdavecollett on September 17, 2018, 10:20:10 PM
Hate to agree with a Bruce fan, but I do.

I shall have to go to bed without supper, now.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on September 17, 2018, 10:34:01 PM
Dunno about this, he didnít show much stomach for the fight at Sheffield, think Bruce called this one right.

Three subs that came on also were lively. Starting with Elmo on right wing is effectively wasting a sub though

Agree, he should be RB instead of Hutton

Yes. Largely because Hutton should be LB instead of Taylor
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Matt Collins on September 19, 2018, 05:59:57 AM
He was pretty poor v Rotherham I thought . Confidence issue?

Can't see him starting in the next couple of games
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: tomd2103 on September 19, 2018, 08:17:34 AM
He was pretty poor v Rotherham I thought . Confidence issue?

Can't see him starting in the next couple of games

I thought he did OK last night Matt, but it is clear he is going to need some time to settle and get up to speed. 
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Matt Collins on September 20, 2018, 06:52:31 AM
I'm not castigating him. It's good to have options

But I'd expect adomah to come in on Saturday
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: olaftab on September 20, 2018, 09:23:17 AM
Bolasie should definitely play ahead of him and Adomah on Saturday.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on September 20, 2018, 01:29:35 PM
Dunno about this, he didnít show much stomach for the fight at Sheffield, think Bruce called this one right.

Three subs that came on also were lively. Starting with Elmo on right wing is effectively wasting a sub though

Agree, he should be RB instead of Hutton

Yes. Largely because Hutton should be LB instead of Taylor


Hutton shouldn't be anywhere near the team full stop

Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 20, 2018, 04:07:26 PM
Dunno about this, he didnít show much stomach for the fight at Sheffield, think Bruce called this one right.

Three subs that came on also were lively. Starting with Elmo on right wing is effectively wasting a sub though

Agree, he should be RB instead of Hutton

Yes. Largely because Hutton should be LB instead of Taylor


Hutton shouldn't be anywhere near the team full stop

Blame the manager.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Matt Collins on September 22, 2018, 06:59:12 AM
Bolasie isn't going to start for a couple more weeks at least I think
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Hookeysmith on October 23, 2018, 05:51:23 PM
Not in squad Saturday yet Hogan was on bench.

Another victim of Bruces scattergun approach to player procurement or do we see him fitting into our improved shape?

Was he away on international duty or did Dean have him for a few days?
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: TheMalandro on October 23, 2018, 06:30:05 PM
I hope he has a good attitude, he has the quality.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: kieron on October 23, 2018, 06:52:48 PM
In tonight's 18.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Rigadon on October 23, 2018, 09:55:52 PM
The new Bosko?
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 23, 2018, 09:59:48 PM
Considering he's already scored and got an assist and didn't cost £15-20m*, then no.

*Based on what we paid for Bosko back then.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Rigadon on October 23, 2018, 10:01:31 PM
But based on him looking like a player who has tricked his way into a professional team, then possibly yes.  But I do take your point on the transfer fee!  Maybe Tonev is a better comparison.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: aj2k77 on October 23, 2018, 10:02:41 PM
Doesn't look like he has the fight in him to play in this league. A real light weight pansy in my eyes.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: manic-road on October 23, 2018, 10:04:26 PM
Back to being El Khazi again tonight, proper toilet when he came on.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: in exile on October 23, 2018, 10:05:12 PM
Awful tonight
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 23, 2018, 10:05:26 PM
He was poor be he was also integral to two of very few chances in the second half. The cross that was just too high for Hogan, and the pass that put Taylor in the the cross. Needs to be a lot better clearly, but he can improve.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: The_ads on October 23, 2018, 10:13:44 PM
Letís not dress it up. Heís absolutely terrible
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Des Little on October 23, 2018, 10:14:05 PM
Unfit and lacking motivation. Not a great combo....I hope he doesnít appear in 2019 calendar because I donít think heíll be here come Feb unless he pulls his finger out.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 23, 2018, 10:17:14 PM
I donít know about motivation, he looked like he was trying to me.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: SoccerHQ on October 23, 2018, 10:20:49 PM
Amazed at all the people who were going mad about him after the first couple of games.

I know he scored a couple and set up the goal v Reading but instantly to me gave the impression of a player who had plenty of flicks and tricks but wasn't overly interested in physical duels and gave me the impression he'd go missing when the going got tough, particularly away from home.

Think his game since have born that out, I imagine we can just send him back end of the season and it's not a loan to buy....I hope.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Risso on October 23, 2018, 10:24:36 PM
Bag of wank. Carles Gil without the skill.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Matt Collins on October 23, 2018, 10:46:23 PM
For 30 mins I thought he was breathtakingly bad

He actually did improve last ten minutes

But I don't expect to see him again for a while unless the injured really are mounting up

Still did more than Hogan though
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: The_ads on October 23, 2018, 10:52:53 PM
No one, absolutely fucking nobody, will tell me OíHare hasnít got more ability than this joker. Get rid....return to fucking sender
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: mr underhill on October 24, 2018, 05:31:24 AM
yep as egregious as the other winger we didn't need but paid through the nose for anyway. Another Bruce masterclass in fuckwittery.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Villafirst on October 24, 2018, 06:48:12 AM
Disappointed with El Ghazi. For a fairly big guy he's incredibly weak and easily brushed off the ball. Bruce was stupid to sign him and Bolasie on big wages. We'd be better off developing  Andre Green and saving a fortune on wages.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Ads on October 24, 2018, 08:26:20 AM
First game since 1st September after a goal and assist in a new league.

No minutes in 7 weeks and we have people writing him off when he's chucked in and will need time.

Typical dead head Villa all round.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Three Spires Villa on October 24, 2018, 08:50:12 AM
Well, its certainly up to him to prove us wrong
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: themossman on October 24, 2018, 08:57:55 AM
First game since 1st September after a goal and assist in a new league.

No minutes in 7 weeks and we have people writing him off when he's chucked in and will need time.

Typical dead head Villa all round.

Yeah agree. Poor performance but given the shit show we're emerging from to write him off is just stupid. That's like writing off Smith because of his subs last night.

AEG looked very frustrated to me last night, especially after his overhit deliveries. Which suggests a player who knows he is better than his current performances, which makes me optimistic.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Ads on October 24, 2018, 09:03:24 AM
He one that Elmo nearly got on the end of was a beauty. I didn't notice any frustration, but you could see what he wanted to do, he just lacked sharpness to execute it.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: themossman on October 24, 2018, 09:13:29 AM
I guess the point is he looked like a better player than his performance, certainly not worth bundling in with the likes of Taylor who just aren't good enough.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Rigadon on October 24, 2018, 09:35:46 AM
He looked way off the pace of it to me, but maybe it looked different at the game itself.  The fact he hadnít had a look in since he came here, plus a dire performance last night makes me nervous, notí dead headedí.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Risso on October 24, 2018, 04:20:44 PM
I wouldn't expect to see him playing again any time soon.  Last night was shocking how poor he was.  If Bolasie is coming back into the squad I expect it'll be at El Ghazi's expense.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: brontebilly on October 24, 2018, 06:19:48 PM
Disappointed with El Ghazi. For a fairly big guy he's incredibly weak and easily brushed off the ball. Bruce was stupid to sign him and Bolasie on big wages. We'd be better off developing  Andre Green and saving a fortune on wages.

Widely reported Moreira and El Ghazi were board signings. Doubt Bruce wanted them at all.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 24, 2018, 06:19:50 PM
He one that Elmo nearly got on the end of was a beauty. I didn't notice any frustration, but you could see what he wanted to do, he just lacked sharpness to execute it.

Yeah that was my view, I felt he was almost trying too hard.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: aj2k77 on October 24, 2018, 08:15:37 PM
I fail to see what question or weakness El Ghazi was the answer to. When looking at our squad one of the last things needed was another  wide player. Feels like one of those just because we can signings, that always cost us a lot of dough for very little return.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: paul_e on October 24, 2018, 09:42:25 PM
I fail to see what question or weakness El Ghazi was the answer to. When looking at our squad one of the last things needed was another  wide player. Feels like one of those just because we can signings, that always cost us a lot of dough for very little return.

When we signed him we had Green, who had put in a couple of terrible performances, Adomah who was struggling and Elmo who's ok, signing 1 wide player was perfectly reasonable, signing 2 so we could send Green on loan instead was unnecessary.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: SoccerHQ on October 26, 2018, 10:37:49 PM
Nowhere to be seen, can he be sent back in January or is it a fixed loan until June?
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on October 27, 2018, 12:56:04 AM
Recall clause but only if heís wanted by his parent club.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: adrenachrome on October 27, 2018, 02:49:24 AM
Recall clause but only if heís wanted by his parent club.

So what you are saying is that he is an orphan.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: West Derby Villan on October 27, 2018, 02:53:41 AM
Recall clause but only if heís wanted by his parent club.

So what you are saying is that he is an orphan.

First thing tonight that made me laugh, cheers!
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: mr underhill on October 27, 2018, 07:28:09 AM
It's goodnight from me. Bye bye Anwar.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 27, 2018, 08:42:53 AM
To be fair heís one of a number of players not playing well. He shouldnít just be discarded.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Clark W Griswold on October 27, 2018, 08:47:03 AM
We might as well have not bothered and hung on to the slightly less ineffective Green. At least he's our player.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 28, 2018, 09:53:58 PM
Looked good tonight, great finish. Well done Anwar.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 28, 2018, 10:24:42 PM
Interestingly we played Yeovil recently in a behind closed doors friendly and he scored 4.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Newby on November 28, 2018, 10:27:22 PM
Lovely goal.  Still a bit of a headless chicken but a talent that's for sure.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Matt Collins on November 28, 2018, 11:06:35 PM
I'd given up on him but he looked a huge threat today
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 28, 2018, 11:07:41 PM
Not been a huge fan so far but good goal and seemed keen to really impress. Might've done enough to get a start on Saturday ahead of Kodj.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: dcdavecollett on November 29, 2018, 05:47:25 PM
Superb first touch to set up the chance and an excellent finish, first right, then left.

Wonderful!!
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: dave shelley on November 29, 2018, 06:03:31 PM
I have to admit that I wasn't expecting much when he came on but was pleasantly surprised.  Great goal.  I'm guessing he could be benefitting from  decent coaching.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on November 29, 2018, 06:39:23 PM
Well he came through the ranks at Ajax, and I know they're not the force they once were but I believe their coaching set-up still has a very good reputation. Lord only knows what he must have made of Bruce's training sessions.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: eamonn on November 29, 2018, 08:13:50 PM
Real style in the finish, reminded me of Gil.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: AV82EC on November 29, 2018, 09:09:39 PM
Lovely little cameo last night, good wing play, good movement, created stuff for others and a beautifully struck goal.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on November 29, 2018, 09:13:22 PM
My mates been giving me stick after me saying he was going to have great impact when I first seen him. Now DS has given him a chance and he was class I think we are going to be impressed with what he has in the locker ......
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Axl Rose on November 29, 2018, 09:34:03 PM
I liked how our players celebrated with him.

I think he's probably had a tough time since he arrived, and they were showing him a bit of love.

Good stuff.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 29, 2018, 09:37:32 PM
Didnít he get dropped after Sheffield United having been the only player to come out of that game with any credit at all? Another victim of Bruceís outstanding man management and coaching. He was fucked off and has been reintegrated into the fold. Thereís a very decent player in there.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 29, 2018, 09:53:14 PM
Well he came through the ranks at Ajax, and I know they're not the force they once were but I believe their coaching set-up still has a very good reputation. Lord only knows what he must have made of Bruce's training sessions.

No doubt he's got excellent technique but when I saw him play for Reading I noticed he didn't really challenge for headers in duels and also didn't want physical contact when challenging for the ball so get the feeling that's why we haven't seen him much so far.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on November 29, 2018, 10:02:49 PM
Well he came through the ranks at Ajax, and I know they're not the force they once were but I believe their coaching set-up still has a very good reputation. Lord only knows what he must have made of Bruce's training sessions.

No doubt he's got excellent technique but when I saw him play for Reading I noticed he didn't really challenge for headers in duels and also didn't want physical contact when challenging for the ball so get the feeling that's why we haven't seen him much so far.

You sure you didnít dream that? Donít think heís ever played for Reading.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Axl Rose on November 29, 2018, 10:06:42 PM
Didnít he get dropped after Sheffield United having been the only player to come out of that game with any credit at all? Another victim of Bruceís outstanding man management and coaching. He was fucked off and has been reintegrated into the fold. Thereís a very decent player in there.

I agree. With Smith at the helm now, I reckon we'll start seeing the best of Anwar.

A very good, Ajax supporting mate is still in love with him, and reckons we've got a player. I certainly trust his judgement over that of a negative potato.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: olaftab on November 29, 2018, 10:09:59 PM
Lille is twinned with Reading so an easy confusion ;)
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: olaftab on November 29, 2018, 10:19:44 PM
Superb first touch to set up the chance and an excellent finish, first right, then left.

Wonderful!!
That was precision. Watching from Upper North I was right in line and shouted "goal" as soon as bll left his feet.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 29, 2018, 10:32:40 PM
Well he came through the ranks at Ajax, and I know they're not the force they once were but I believe their coaching set-up still has a very good reputation. Lord only knows what he must have made of Bruce's training sessions.

No doubt he's got excellent technique but when I saw him play for Reading I noticed he didn't really challenge for headers in duels and also didn't want physical contact when challenging for the ball so get the feeling that's why we haven't seen him much so far.

You're confusing him with Dave Kitson.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 29, 2018, 11:35:49 PM
He's thinking of Bacuna.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: KevinGage on November 29, 2018, 11:48:33 PM
Looked promising on his full debut and has already chipped in with two cracking goals despite limited game time.

The talent is there, but his attitude in training and so forth is harder to quantify.

I can live with a mercurial winger, it's the nature of the beast.  A mercurial keeper is harder to work around.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Matt Collins on November 30, 2018, 06:06:30 AM
Smith said he's been training hard

Shouldn't forget that forest left him one v one. Which Smith said he was surprised by

Boro won't be doing that
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Ads on November 30, 2018, 07:06:04 AM
It's hard to imagine Boro being anymore compact though with their shape.

It will be more physical with Friend and Shotton at full back.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: CT on November 30, 2018, 08:25:48 AM
Amongst all the mayhem of Wednesday night, it was only the next day I realised what a sublime first touch he had for his goal. That ball is just killed before the final shot.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: chrisw1 on November 30, 2018, 09:54:34 AM
Amongst all the mayhem of Wednesday night, it was only the next day I realised what a sublime first touch he had for his goal. That ball is just killed before the final shot.
It was a superb goal, great control, very little backlift.  The finish reminded me of Ronaldo (no other comparisons between the players before people spit their tea out!)
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: olaftab on November 30, 2018, 12:28:18 PM
Smith said he's been training hard

Shouldn't forget that forest left him one v one. Which Smith said he was surprised by

Boro won't be doing that
That means Boro canít do that with Grealish, Kodjia and Bolasie at the same time.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Matt Collins on November 30, 2018, 02:25:51 PM
They'll double up their wingers against ours. Cash and lolley stayed high up the pitch
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 30, 2018, 08:36:16 PM
Well he came through the ranks at Ajax, and I know they're not the force they once were but I believe their coaching set-up still has a very good reputation. Lord only knows what he must have made of Bruce's training sessions.

No doubt he's got excellent technique but when I saw him play for Reading I noticed he didn't really challenge for headers in duels and also didn't want physical contact when challenging for the ball so get the feeling that's why we haven't seen him much so far.

You sure you didnít dream that? Donít think heís ever played for Reading.

Versus Reading I meant, his debut.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 30, 2018, 08:39:45 PM
It's hard to imagine Boro being anymore compact though with their shape.

It will be more physical with Friend and Shotton at full back.

Pulis been even more defensive than usual this season. Against Derby at home they had Ayala, Flint and Fry as their back 3, McNair and Friend as the defensive wing backs and then Besic, Adam Clayton and Howson as three deep sitting midfielders. Downing supported Assombalonga in attack

Seems to have even given up on playing out and out wingers as he did at Stoke.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 30, 2018, 09:41:58 PM
It's hard to imagine Boro being anymore compact though with their shape.

It will be more physical with Friend and Shotton at full back.

Pulis been even more defensive than usual this season. Against Derby at home they had Ayala, Flint and Fry as their back 3, McNair and Friend as the defensive wing backs and then Besic, Adam Clayton and Howson as three deep sitting midfielders. Downing supported Assombalonga in attack

Seems to have even given up on playing out and out wingers as he did at Stoke.

I think Martin O'Neill was his Beatles. Since MON decided to jack it all off and form Wings with Roy 'Linda' Keane in Ireland, Pulis has gone all nihilist. Don't be surprised if he goes a bit Charles Manson in the League Cup.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: wittonwarrior on November 30, 2018, 10:25:16 PM
A good impact player at best
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 30, 2018, 10:26:40 PM
Charles Manson? What an impact though.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Mister E on December 01, 2018, 11:22:12 AM
A good impact player at best
El Ghazi looked better on Wednesday night than previous appearances - he put in one or two great crosses and scored a super goal. Maybe he'll come good; at least for this division.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: TheMalandro on December 01, 2018, 07:31:11 PM
I thought he had a great game today. Probably deserved man of the match more than Hourihane.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Risso on December 01, 2018, 07:32:56 PM
Agreed, he was great. Full of running and good decision making.  What an embarrassment of attacking riches we have.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 01, 2018, 07:34:55 PM
The one bit of credit to give spuddy is he brought in some very good attacking players even if he didn't have a clue how to use them properly.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Ian J on December 01, 2018, 07:35:52 PM
Agreed, he was great. Full of running and good decision making.  What an embarrassment of attacking riches we have.
Itís just incredible the bloke who bought them had no intention of attacking. Absolutely bonkers how easily Smith is making this look!
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 01, 2018, 07:58:09 PM
Delighted to see him playing well and enjoying the game.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Brassneck on December 01, 2018, 08:01:49 PM
Fantastic performance.

This can only be good for the team/squad as he looked an improvement on kodjia today.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Clampy on December 01, 2018, 08:24:06 PM
Thought he was excellent tonight. The only downside was that it meant moving Bolasie over to the left where I don't think he's as effective.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Ads on December 01, 2018, 10:59:35 PM
We do appear to have pulled a top quality operator into recognition that we'd all forgot about.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on December 02, 2018, 12:29:05 AM
A few weeks ago against Norwich I thought he was a complete bottle job.  Once again just look at what good, solid, intense coaching does.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 02, 2018, 01:59:19 AM
A few weeks ago against Norwich I thought he was a complete bottle job.  Once again just look at what good, solid, intense coaching does.

Not just coaching. Providing someone with inspiration, having belief in them and encouraging them to express themselves helps a lot. He looks like heís loving it out there.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Axl Rose on December 02, 2018, 02:55:20 AM
What a player he looked last night. Quick feet, energy, gliding past players like a mini Ronaldo at times. I like him.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: themossman on December 02, 2018, 09:32:04 AM
Yep he was great. Pause for a minute and imagine youíve had the ball nicked off you by Tammy and you look up and El Ghazi, McGinn, jack and Bolasie are coming at you.

On the flip side I donít like his pointy sideboards.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Nastylee on December 02, 2018, 09:46:13 AM
Amazing what players can do with a plan rather than go out, give 100% and we'll see what happens. He looked full of energy but what pleased me most was his willingness to track back and he won the ball back a number of times. Hitting usefulness at just the right time.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Ads on December 02, 2018, 09:48:29 AM
Smith said he took on a lot of tactical information which was self evident from his excellent performance.

It cuts both ways that though; that's our manager...giving out tactical knowledge. *hits floor*
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Nastylee on December 02, 2018, 09:51:28 AM
It does seem Bruce's mentality was to compete and just hope one of our quality players would pull a rabbit out of the bag. When it worked it looked good but there's no consistency in that as we have found to our cost.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: chrisw1 on December 02, 2018, 09:56:48 AM
Outstanding last night.  I hope he can keep it up as he will be a major asset.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Risso on December 02, 2018, 10:22:50 AM
There was a moment in the second half, where he gave the ball away a bit cheaply, but the way he battled to win it back instantly was very impressive indeed.  Showed a very solid, hard working side to his game, which I think all the flair players know they need to bring to the game as well as the skills.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: LeeB on December 02, 2018, 10:25:21 AM
Unlucky not to score as well, Tammy's telescopic leg taking a tap in away from him.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 02, 2018, 10:27:48 AM
It does seem Bruce's mentality was to compete and just hope one of our quality players would pull a rabbit out of the bag. When it worked it looked good but there's no consistency in that as we have found to our cost.

Well it was. His approach entirely was to buy more experienced or better quality players relative to the what our opponents could do and then leave them to win games. So at times we looked lost, without a plan and mostly average and then Snoddy wins it at Sheffield Utd. You donít have to coach or teach then.

You can fuck your fat arse off to Spain to play golf with your mates on international breaks instead of improving yourself knowing youíve done the bare minimum. A point proven by accident by El Ghazi when he revealed Bruce was rarely there. Bruce dropped him for spilling the beans

Bruce was lazy and felt he earned the right to do as little as possible. The hunger that he had at Wigan or the Noses as a younger manager was gone. He took the path of least work as our manager hoping it would be enough to see the job through.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: jwarry on December 02, 2018, 11:00:12 AM
It does seem Bruce's mentality was to compete and just hope one of our quality players would pull a rabbit out of the bag. When it worked it looked good but there's no consistency in that as we have found to our cost.

Well it was. His approach entirely was to buy more experienced or better quality players relative to the what our opponents could do and then leave them to win games. So at times we looked lost, without a plan and mostly average and then Snoddy wins it at Sheffield Utd. You donít have to coach or teach then.

You can fuck your fat arse off to Spain to play golf with your mates on international breaks instead of improving yourself knowing youíve done the bare minimum. A point proven by accident by El Ghazi when he revealed Bruce was rarely there. Bruce dropped him for spilling the beans

Bruce was lazy and felt he earned the right to do as little as possible. The hunger that he had at Wigan or the Noses as a younger manager was gone. He took the path of least work as our manager hoping it would be enough to see the job through.

More likely the world just passed him by
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Mossie Hennebry on December 07, 2018, 09:31:09 PM
Oooo.... I'm developing a little man crush on this wee lad....
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Risso on December 07, 2018, 09:33:33 PM
Oooo.... I'm developing a little man crush on this wee lad....

Wee?!  He's 6'2"!
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Mossie Hennebry on December 07, 2018, 09:53:35 PM
Oooo.... I'm developing a little man crush on this wee lad....

Wee?!  He's 6'2"!
Exactly
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: not3bad on December 07, 2018, 09:55:40 PM
Phenomenal tonight.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: brontebilly on December 07, 2018, 10:03:38 PM
his second goal showed outstanding technical quality, 2 keepers wouldnt have saved it
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 07, 2018, 10:05:10 PM
Played well and shows why you shouldn't write a player off after a few games, especially when that player is being 'coached' by Bruce and his lot.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 07, 2018, 10:09:22 PM
What a player. Excellent.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Rigadon on December 07, 2018, 10:12:02 PM
I had major doubts.  I was 100% wrong.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Villafirst on December 07, 2018, 10:16:08 PM
I was wrong, especially after Norwich. Hopefully we'll sign him at the end of the season - we have the option. No brainer!
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Uknowthescore on December 07, 2018, 10:30:46 PM
Move over jack my sons got a new favourite player. Some off his tricks and skills were an absolute joy to watch
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 07, 2018, 10:33:06 PM
https://twitter.com/mcguinnessav/status/1071167714692132865
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 07, 2018, 10:35:19 PM
https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1071153153742172162
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Ad@m on December 07, 2018, 10:42:52 PM
https://twitter.com/mcguinnessav/status/1071167714692132865

That was a thing of beauty! He absolutely rinsed Gibbs all night!
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 07, 2018, 10:59:58 PM
Heís got a massive amount of talent, if there is an agreed fee we should get it done.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Axl Rose on December 07, 2018, 11:01:03 PM
I think he's a cracking player.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Newby on December 07, 2018, 11:04:18 PM
Great for his confidence tonight.  We look so dangerous with him and Bolasie on either wing with Albert to come back too. 
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 07, 2018, 11:06:53 PM
Once they realised how good he is West Brom were terrified. Get him signed up.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Newby on December 07, 2018, 11:08:19 PM
Once they realised how good he is West Brom were terrified. Get him signed up.

Sign him and it frees one of the loan places up.  Good shout.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Matt Collins on December 08, 2018, 06:41:35 AM
Not sure if we can afford to pay for him ffp yet - hence the loan presumably buying him in the next financial year?
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 08, 2018, 08:34:45 AM
Well if Football Manager is right (!), his agreed fee is a bargain. £4.5 million! Obviously pinch of salt and all that.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: The_ads on December 08, 2018, 08:48:52 AM
No one, absolutely fucking nobody, will tell me OíHare hasnít got more ability than this joker. Get rid....return to fucking sender


I was wrong and happy to admit it. Just goes to show what a period of proper coaching and confidence can do as oppose to the previous manager who wouldnít have looked out of place at Jurassic Park
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: cannock villa on December 08, 2018, 09:07:48 AM
Sorry, but when did we sign Ronaldo ?
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Ads on December 08, 2018, 09:08:28 AM
He's excellent. Carries a goal threat, good in tight spaces and does what you want a wide man to do; drive at and usually through the opposition.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: VillaAlways on December 08, 2018, 09:12:33 AM
Sorry, but when did we sign Ronaldo ?
He really reminds me of him
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Neil Hawkes on December 08, 2018, 10:21:33 AM
When he took the two defenders to the touchline, then skimmed them both, was sublime.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: JUAN PABLO on December 08, 2018, 10:30:19 AM
absolute love him .  what a bonus for us as I didnt expect that from him last few games . thought we had siged a  Tonev as he had gone into wilderness for a while but we have a Holte End Ronaldo . Sign him up and let Kodja go,
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 08, 2018, 12:04:25 PM
Iíd be very keen we sign him up fast before other interest starts to be driven up.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Ads on December 08, 2018, 12:07:27 PM
He plays on the left
He plays on the right
That boy El Ghazi
Makes the Albion look shite
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: VinnieChase84 on December 08, 2018, 01:03:35 PM
I was wrong, especially after Norwich. Hopefully we'll sign him at the end of the season - we have the option. No brainer!

I think it may turn permanent in Jan to free up a loan space?
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: saunders_heroes on December 08, 2018, 01:40:42 PM
Looks a bit like Ronaldo on the ball.
Christ where has he been all season, heís been fantastic lately!
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Risso on December 08, 2018, 01:42:14 PM
When he took the two defenders to the touchline, then skimmed them both, was sublime.

Loved that, he totally left them for dead after just teasing them for a few seconds.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Ads on December 08, 2018, 02:34:03 PM
It's absurd that he's come to life in December.

All those games against weak opposition wasted, as the manager couldn't coach and inject confidence into him or give him direction.

From being ineffectual and trying to hard at Norwich, to looking far too good for this league in a month.

El Ghazi to start against the Clayheads. Bolasie is under threat from Adomah and Kodjia.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 08, 2018, 03:57:30 PM
This is why itís also important not to criticize players too quickly. Look at how many wrote him off at the start of the year. Also the criticism of Tammy has been surprising after one poor game. In fact it was mainly one terrible miss. These are young players who are going to make errors or have ups and downs as they develop. El Ghazi looks the real deal now. Under Bruce like many of our players they looked way less than that and disinterested. Thereís lots more to come from all of them.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Londonvilla on December 08, 2018, 05:11:13 PM
Sign him up.............

Anwar El Ghazi v West Bromwich Albion

Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: wittonwarrior on December 08, 2018, 05:24:38 PM
This is why itís also important not to criticize players too quickly. Look at how many wrote him off at the start of the year. Also the criticism of Tammy has been surprising after one poor game. In fact it was mainly one terrible miss. These are young players who are going to make errors or have ups and downs as they develop. El Ghazi looks the real deal now. Under Bruce like many of our players they looked way less than that and disinterested. Thereís lots more to come from all of them.

To be fair its more than one poor game.  He gives out so much effort so people look at him favourably and his goal tally is excellent, only that he is so poor in the  air for a  tall striker and he could have doubled his goal tally with a few very poor misses.  But in his  support he does get in the positions to actually hit or miss.  So I take the good with the bad
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 08, 2018, 06:11:18 PM
Looks a bit like Ronaldo on the ball.
Christ where has he been all season, heís been fantastic lately!

I suspect the reason itís taken so long is two fold. Firstly itís often difficult to come to another country and settle. If you couple that with the fact he was being managed by someone who didnít understand what coaching is and couldnít set up a team, itís hardly a surprise itís taken this long.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Newby on December 08, 2018, 07:37:16 PM
Also, that one terrible miss by Tammy happened because the ball in was delivered behind him. 

We are really good out wide. 
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: dave shelley on December 08, 2018, 07:38:55 PM
You can show this lad on the inside and he will do you, you can show him the outside and he will do you.  You can crowd him, and as last night showed he will do you.  If he maintains this level of improvement he is going to become some player.  He can look after himself too.  Has all the makings of something really special.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: ROBBO on December 08, 2018, 08:29:26 PM
When you watch the replay his miss wasn't as bad as at first glance the ball was behind him and he snatched at it what i am more worried about is his lack of technique in heading the ball, it is a separate skill set and if he can get it right he will be almost the complete centre forward.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Villafirst on December 08, 2018, 11:12:34 PM
When you watch the replay his miss wasn't as bad as at first glance the ball was behind him and he snatched at it what i am more worried about is his lack of technique in heading the ball, it is a separate skill set and if he can get it right he will be almost the complete centre forward.

You obviously missed his two headed goals against Forest? Oh and he only scored FOUR goals that night?
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: KRS on December 08, 2018, 11:23:04 PM
Where has he been hiding these last few months? Keep up these performances and heíll be our most important signing and player of the season. Hope he keeps it up and we make his deal permanent.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Colhint on December 09, 2018, 12:30:03 AM
Interesting question. Who could be our player of the season,not who is so far, bear in mind there is more than half a season to go.
But i'd list  Anwar, along with Jack, SJM, Axle and Tammy.

I feel pretty good thinking Pt could be anyone from five.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Matt Collins on December 09, 2018, 06:59:30 AM
Player of the season since Smith arrived would be a contest between Abraham, McGinn, tuanzebe for me
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: ktvillan on December 09, 2018, 01:18:55 PM
I think we have a potential superstar on our hands with this lad.  His look and style of running and playing is uncannily like Ronaldo, obviously not as good - yet.....
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: London Villan on December 09, 2018, 01:26:06 PM
It is some transformation since his debut.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: CT on December 09, 2018, 01:42:11 PM
I thought his debut was decent. He certainly got a good reception when he was subbed.

After that though, for whatever reasons, he's not featured until the Boro game.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: kipeye on December 09, 2018, 01:45:53 PM
Its entirely down to coaching. You could see when he came on against Norwich (I think-or maybe QPR) he struggled for the time he was on to get used to the system, but learned very quickly. He can now play with either full-back and has confidence to take players on. Still work to do in closing down the long ball, but getting better by the game.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Lastfootstamper on December 09, 2018, 01:46:10 PM
This thread is a pearler to flick back through!
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Clampy on December 09, 2018, 01:51:39 PM
I thought his debut was decent. He certainly got a good reception when he was subbed.

After that though, for whatever reasons, he's not featured until the Boro game.

He did score up at Sheffield United although forgetting that game is understandable.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: paul_e on December 09, 2018, 02:21:41 PM
Player of the season since Smith arrived would be a contest between Abraham, McGinn, tuanzebe for me

I wouldn't underestimate how important Jack has been, his contribution is massive but often 1-2 passes before the assist so it gets missed.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Colhint on December 09, 2018, 03:56:00 PM
Look at the first goal against Albion. When Anwar got the ball. there were 3 defenders in front of him. Jack made a run out wide, and 2 followed him. That;s nearly always the case. He opens up  play
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: chrisw1 on December 10, 2018, 11:14:08 AM
Its entirely down to coaching. You could see when he came on against Norwich (I think-or maybe QPR) he struggled for the time he was on to get used to the system, but learned very quickly. He can now play with either full-back and has confidence to take players on. Still work to do in closing down the long ball, but getting better by the game.
He mentioned in an interview a month or so ago he was surprised by the physicality of the Championship.  I'm sure Smith has had a part to play but it's also about him needing time to get up to speed in a new country and new league.

He looks good at the moment let's hope he can keep it up.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on December 10, 2018, 01:24:18 PM
At some point in the near future I expect Bruce (who will be back in management at say Sheffield Wednesday) to be on the Alan Brazil show spouting some shit about not being a bad judge of players and pointing to the likes of El Ghazi, Tuanzebe and McGinn as examples.  Failing to realise that he had no idea what to do with them.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: cdward on December 10, 2018, 02:10:22 PM
It's a bit like buying a Porsche or Ferrari for racing.
In the right hands, it will perform brilliantly. But put an old dinosaur behind the wheel who thinks you still need to pull out choke to get started, and you wont see it at its best.
Most managers are capable of buying a decent car, not all can get them to perform.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Deano's Mullet on December 10, 2018, 02:29:13 PM
Look at the first goal against Albion. When Anwar got the ball. there were 3 defenders in front of him. Jack made a run out wide, and 2 followed him. That;s nearly always the case. He opens up  play

At one point after his goal on Friday he was actually taking the piss out of at least two Albion defenders down their left side with his flicks, touches and nutmegs. I said to the missus it was like watching Ronaldo. Exciting player.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: dave.woodhall on December 10, 2018, 03:09:12 PM
At some point in the near future I expect Bruce (who will be back in management at say Sheffield Wednesday) to be on the Alan Brazil show spouting some shit about not being a bad judge of players and pointing to the likes of El Ghazi, Tuanzebe and McGinn as examples.  Failing to realise that he had no idea what to do with them.

I hope he does. I hope he spends the rest of his life talking about how Aston Villa's success is down to him.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Brassneck on December 15, 2018, 11:32:22 AM
I'm wondering whether this is the type of player who would cut it in the PL?

Certainly, of late, he has looked like he would do so.

I'm wondering whether it might be good business to try to sign him permanently in January?  I notice Lille signed him for 8 million Euros.  Would £6 million secure him?
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Villafirst on December 15, 2018, 02:25:49 PM
I think the option to buy fee is £4.5M. If so, a bargain....
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: eamonn on December 15, 2018, 08:19:43 PM
How did he do today? Seemed his replacement was the catalyst in us getting anything from the game.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Richard on December 15, 2018, 08:22:26 PM
Poor today and played like he thought it was too cold and wet for football !
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: willenhall villa on December 15, 2018, 08:32:09 PM
Heís set himself a higher benchmark after his Albion performance. Yes he wasnít the best but he did ok. The good thing is the substituation worked.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 15, 2018, 08:38:38 PM
Main problem was our passing was too slow in central midfield (Jack a big miss for that) so when him or Yannick got the ball they were being doubled up and that's not easy for any winger.

Last few weeks we've got it to El Ghazi quickly and he's had just the full back to beat.

Crossing from open play and also corners was awful all afternoon.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: XXVilla on December 15, 2018, 08:49:31 PM
There was a big Jack sized hole in the midfield today and it showed. We were back to Bruce days of not knowing what to do with the ball in this area.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: adrenachrome on December 15, 2018, 08:58:06 PM
There was a big Jack sized hole in the midfield today and it showed. We were back to Bruce days of not knowing what to do with the ball in this area.

He is the oil in the engine; keeps the play fluid and the opposition on their toes or kicking him.

Welcome my son
Welcome to the machine
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: themossman on December 15, 2018, 09:21:50 PM
Yeah poor today. Trickery without any end product and lost the ball regularly.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: XXVilla on December 15, 2018, 09:42:13 PM
Poor today and played like he thought it was too cold and wet for football !

Rugby weather. Barcelona would have struggled in that shit.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: themossman on December 15, 2018, 09:56:59 PM
Todayís conditions were always going to be a leveller for silky players like him. Hopefully heíll be back with a couple of worldies next week.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: exigo on December 16, 2018, 10:31:54 AM
He acknowledged his poor performance on twitter.

Not my best game.. but still unbeaten 7 games in a row. Thanks for the support @AVFCOfficial fans! See you next week. 👍
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: in exile on December 16, 2018, 11:51:22 AM
He is the oil in the engine...
The Villa engine?
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: wittonwarrior on December 16, 2018, 06:56:18 PM
There was a big Jack sized hole in the midfield today and it showed. We were back to Bruce days of not knowing what to do with the ball in this area.

You've hit the nail.  El Ghazi if fed is  good, no service poor - simple  as that .  Mind you could say the same about one or two others.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: footyskillz on January 02, 2019, 12:06:32 PM
I mentioned in Preston post match thread that have him in teal on ball, driving dribbling and shooting playing the Grealish role and in support as an attacking midfielder .

I think he would do well here and that's where Smith needs to deploy him.

Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Ad@m on January 02, 2019, 12:34:26 PM
I'd like to see him in the middle as well, although I worry he'd be a bit too "headless chicken".

His cross for the goal yesterday was excellent too, which you'd obviously lose if you brought him inside.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 02, 2019, 01:01:39 PM
Very hot and cold player.

I agree he has technique to play as number 10 so surprised DS seems to only be playing him as wide player.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Matt Collins on January 02, 2019, 03:08:02 PM
Hoping we see him or ohare as a 10 v Swansea

Not sure we will tho
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: footyskillz on January 02, 2019, 03:19:13 PM
I'd like to see him in the middle as well, although I worry he'd be a bit too "headless chicken".

His cross for the goal yesterday was excellent too, which you'd obviously lose if you brought him inside.

Granted

Smith at Brentford not one for all these crosses but has used that with squad disposal
I think was a major contrast to villa and Brentford with amount of balls into box from crosses under Bruce whilst Deano was Brentford coach.

There was a stat about it villa being top for crosses Brentford being quite the opposite

Now tammy out way maybe can look to floor play with Hogan and cute balls thru
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: robleflaneur on January 02, 2019, 03:24:36 PM
And in the naughty nineteens role swapping,let's try Keinan Davis as a centre half,strong,mobile,good in the air,won't score many own goals.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Chris Smith on January 02, 2019, 03:26:42 PM
Has he ever played in that role?

Heís got a great first touch and decent delivery but I havenít seen anything to suggest he is a a replacement for Grealish.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Matt Collins on January 02, 2019, 03:57:38 PM
I don't think he has

He just looks like he could do it to me. Expecially as a stop gap

But cant see him playing where grealish has been. More of a number 10 with two behind him
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: ozzjim on January 02, 2019, 08:29:06 PM
Have we got an option to make him permanent?
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on March 31, 2019, 01:30:43 PM
Have we got the option to buy this fella?  He‚Äôs getting better every game.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: paul_e on March 31, 2019, 02:07:35 PM
Have we got the option to buy this fella?  He‚Äôs getting better every game.

From what I remember when he signed there was a £5m option reported, I hope that's true, he's well worth it. He's been up and down form wise but there's more than enough quality there for him to be worth taking a gamble on.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 31, 2019, 02:20:55 PM
Another player who looks more confident and physically stronger.
Maybe this old fashioned idea of a manager being at the trading ground and working with players is something to do with it.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: dcdavecollett on April 01, 2019, 06:47:07 PM
Did I read somewhere that we have an obligation to buy, rather than an option?

if so, like with Scott Sinclair.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: brontebilly on April 01, 2019, 07:14:18 PM
Did I read somewhere that we have an obligation to buy, rather than an option?

if so, like with Scott Sinclair.

Its a Mendes signing isn't it, linked to our new owners?

Having a winger at this level that is equally accomplished on either foot is a big plus. Clearly a very talented player and workrate has improved. Hard pre-season to improve his conditioning and we could have a real player on our hands.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Rigadon on April 01, 2019, 07:15:42 PM
Another player who looks more confident and physically stronger.
Maybe this old fashioned idea of a manager being at the trading ground and working with players is something to do with it.

Madness.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on April 01, 2019, 07:36:28 PM


Still 50/50 for me. He's got talent but it's not shown enough during 90 minutes to warrant a decent price tag. If it's over 5m i'd be trying to back out of it.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Rigadon on April 01, 2019, 07:42:54 PM


Still 50/50 for me. He's got talent but it's not shown enough during 90 minutes to warrant a decent price tag. If it's over 5m i'd be trying to back out of it.

Know what you mean.  But I'd say it's more 70/30 in favour of keeping him as I think he could be outstanding.   
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Rigadon on April 01, 2019, 07:44:00 PM
But given I thought he was Bosko-esque, it's good I'm not in charge of player procurement / retention. 
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: garyshawsknee on April 01, 2019, 08:27:48 PM
I thought he worked his nuts off on Saturday, came back and helped out Taylor a few times, if he isn't too dear, I would keep him.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Newby on April 01, 2019, 08:38:56 PM
He is getting better.  If we are in this league next season, then I would absolutely keep him, although I am not sure he's good enough for the top division, yet.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Nastylee on April 01, 2019, 08:57:54 PM
I reckon he'll be a reasonable fee and probably worth taking the punt. When he's on song he's v good (Hawthorns) but does have an off day. But you could say that about 99% of young wingers so he has potential and probably worth investing in. Depends on whether Smith feels he can play his system.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: frank black on April 01, 2019, 09:00:42 PM
Setup a goal and tracked back very well. Getting better with time and coaching. Definitely sign him whichever div weíre in.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: brontebilly on April 01, 2019, 09:13:54 PM


Still 50/50 for me. He's got talent but it's not shown enough during 90 minutes to warrant a decent price tag. If it's over 5m i'd be trying to back out of it.

AA only has a year left on his contract so I'm expecting he will probably get a 2 yr contract offer elsewhere. Green still unproven. Likely we will be bringing in a player out wide even if we don't get promoted.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 01, 2019, 09:19:08 PM
Edited as when he signed the club announced 4 years so smeg knows why loads of places are saying he's out of contract in the summer!
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Brassneck on April 02, 2019, 08:33:39 AM
I agree that after January's work on rebuilding the defence, CURRENTLY, wide positions are high on the priority list of improvement.

A lot will depend on what division we are in.  Fail to gain promotion and we'll very likely lose Mings, Grealish and possibly SJM.  This will mean positions to fill all over the field.  In this scenario, El Ghazi  would be a no brainer to sign (at the reported £4 million).  Even if we went up, I would be inclined to stick with him at that price.  If he can find consistency, he will cut it in the prem - If he doesn't, his fee wouldn't be a massive outlay in the grand scheme of things.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: WRVilla on April 02, 2019, 09:16:26 AM
Iíd keep him if the fee is reasonable. We already know him and heís spent a season with these coaches in this setup. Heís a good player on his day, just needs a little bit more consistency which will hopefully come with experience. No guarantee weíll end up with a better replacement if we spend the money elsewhere.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: UK Redsox on April 02, 2019, 09:25:13 AM
Edited as when he signed the club announced 4 years so smeg knows why loads of places are saying he's out of contract in the summer!

Must admit, I thought that he was only on loan
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Dave P on April 02, 2019, 09:30:22 AM
General ability wise, I'd put him alongside Bjarnason. It's just that Bjarnason has real competition in his position whereas El Ghazi doesn't really.  Not being bad to Bjarnason as I like him as well.  El Ghazi is flourishing in a winning team at the mo and playing games.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Clark W Griswold on April 02, 2019, 09:37:15 AM
I'd put him in the 'odd glimpses of quality but generally gash' category.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Brassneck on April 02, 2019, 09:41:58 AM
Edited as when he signed the club announced 4 years so smeg knows why loads of places are saying he's out of contract in the summer!

Must admit, I thought that he was only on loan

PWS was replying to the comment about AA and whether he is on a 3 or 4 year contract.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: UK Redsox on April 02, 2019, 10:27:47 AM
Oh
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: in exile on April 03, 2019, 12:22:44 PM
It's just me that doesn't rate him then
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: fbriai on April 04, 2019, 08:34:29 AM
I like him. He's technically very good and he gets up and down a lot. He doesn't often waste possession and he has a knack for getting into good positions. He's also quick and you can see full backs are often worried he is going to run at them.

Think he has a lot of potential; he's still only 23 after all and will likely grow into being a very good player. I would definitely keep him.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Bren'd on April 04, 2019, 10:40:09 AM
Keep. Will get better.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: themossman on April 04, 2019, 10:43:55 AM
Keep. I like him. No more hit and miss than most players of his age. Clearly got bags of talent.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Newby on April 04, 2019, 07:34:26 PM
He is improving, no doubts about it. He needs for the fans to sing his name. Once confident, he will be really good.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: SamTheMouse on April 05, 2019, 10:33:37 AM
I like him. He's technically very good and he gets up and down a lot. He doesn't often waste possession and he has a knack for getting into good positions. He's also quick and you can see full backs are often worried he is going to run at them.

Think he has a lot of potential; he's still only 23 after all and will likely grow into being a very good player. I would definitely keep him.

So would I. He's come on a lot despite only having been here a relatively short time, and he's obviously learning a lot under Smith. I'd like to see how far he can go.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: dcdavecollett on April 05, 2019, 08:41:43 PM
Love it when he runs at defenders -he doesn't do this often enough for me.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: frank black on April 13, 2019, 06:47:44 PM
Motm
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: olaftab on April 13, 2019, 06:56:03 PM
Great second half.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Rigadon on April 13, 2019, 06:57:48 PM
If he adds end product (it's coming) and consistency he could be top drawer, which is something I didn't think I'd be saying after his first couple of games. 
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 13, 2019, 06:58:31 PM
He is very confident right now. We have to try and secure his signing because he is at the right age to become a very good player
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: jwarry on April 13, 2019, 06:59:03 PM
If he adds end product (it's coming) and consistency he could be top drawer, which is something I didn't think I'd be saying after his first couple of games. 

Funnily enough I think he would be even better in the PL
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Villafirst on April 13, 2019, 07:02:19 PM
Thought he was exceptional today and he linked well with Neil Taylor down the left.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: wittonwarrior on April 13, 2019, 07:07:23 PM
Best all round performance for us no question
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: KRS on April 13, 2019, 07:12:05 PM
Looked like he had his confidence and swagger back today.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Mister E on April 13, 2019, 08:41:08 PM
Heís still developing and I love his swagger. Played really well today.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Risso on April 13, 2019, 08:56:40 PM
Heís still developing and I love his swagger. Played really well today.

I think that was his best game for us today, even though he's obviously scored in others.  He absolutely terrorised their right back from start to finish, and created an absolute mountain of chances.  That's the level of consistency we need from him, and if he can deliver it, we'll have a very good player on our hands.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 13, 2019, 10:17:11 PM
Yep letís hope we can sign him up.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: footyskillz on April 13, 2019, 10:54:27 PM
A winger such as his footy ability is able to dominate his defender when the player is pretty weak and was carded.
Anwar already decent but when he plays against less opponents then he shows he's far higher ability.
I think against Bolton he can also enjoy himself.
Has some great attributes and a decent shot on him. Well played today
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: KRS on April 13, 2019, 10:56:23 PM
Those shots he was firing in today whipped with top spin were lethal...and I still don't know how Albert and Connor managed to miss their rebounds.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: andyh on April 13, 2019, 11:01:57 PM
Absolutely agree, his best game by miles today and close to a MOTM performance.
BUT, he has got to do it more often. It been a long time since the Albion away which was the last time he was on fire and tore up the opposition.
Heís good enough to do it more often.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: LeeB on April 13, 2019, 11:10:00 PM
Did their right get a foot in once? I can't remember one, poor fucker will have PTSD after this afternoon.

It was the mother of all roastings.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: mr underhill on April 14, 2019, 09:14:41 AM
he needs more consistency, too hit and miss for me but very good yesterday.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Villafirst on April 14, 2019, 02:53:06 PM
he needs more consistency, too hit and miss for me but very good yesterday.

Consistency comes with experience. DS is probably the best type of Manager to unlock El Ghazi's undoubted talent. One player we need to sign up for next season - I believe we have the option to buy him?
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: paul_e on April 14, 2019, 06:08:06 PM
he needs more consistency, too hit and miss for me but very good yesterday.

Consistency comes with experience. DS is probably the best type of Manager to unlock El Ghazi's undoubted talent. One player we need to sign up for next season - I believe we have the option to buy him?

As per a few pages back, when he signed there was a fair bit of noise around suggesting we could make it permanent for £5m. If that's true then we'd be silly to not go for it, he has loads of potential to keep improving.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 14, 2019, 06:10:31 PM
As with all players confidence plays a big part. But I think it particularly applies to wingers. When they are short on it they hide and donít try and attack the full back. El Ghazi right now is buoyant not only taking on the full back, cutting inside with pace to attack the middle, crossing and shooting. Heís playing at a very high level right now.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on April 14, 2019, 07:50:26 PM


I'd still like to see how he plays more centrally personally as his crossing is still VERY hit and miss
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: eamonn on April 15, 2019, 07:05:17 AM
He can frustrate at times when we're not playing well, he tends to hide a bit. And their goal came from him being far too casual with a clearance and he lost possession.

But when he's on it, that Ronaldo-stance on the ball and his ability to whip in dangerous balls do make him an asset. His understanding with Conor could easily have led to a hat-trick for Hourihane.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: nigel on April 15, 2019, 08:03:27 AM
I was hoping for him to take the free kick on the edge of their area, just before HT, but Conor took the ball off him.
Had a bit of a strop, not surprising, as it was perfect for a right footer
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 22, 2019, 12:35:19 AM
https://twitter.com/villareport/status/1120092270542372871?s=12

The young defenders pants pulled down in a filthy way
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: b23 on April 28, 2019, 03:47:18 PM
Apologies if this is covered elsewhere.

The BBC Match Report clearly states that El Ghazi was mistakenly sent off against Leeds today and that he never touched Bamford, who then simulated injury.

More than reasonable grounds for an appeal I would think ?

If the simulation by Bamford is proven, can retrospective action be taken against him ?
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: AsTallAsLions on April 28, 2019, 03:55:36 PM
Apologies if this is covered elsewhere.

The BBC Match Report clearly states that El Ghazi was mistakenly sent off against Leeds today and that he never touched Bamford, who then simulated injury.

More than reasonable grounds for an appeal I would think ?

If the simulation by Bamford is proven, can retrospective action be taken against him ?

Bamford was yellow carded which unfortunately - due to the FA's positively ridiculous rules - means he can't have a ban instated.

El Ghazi's card will be overturned or Villa will kick up stink. All news sources have reported it as unjust, as did the commentators at the time.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: mike on April 28, 2019, 04:01:44 PM
Apologies if this is covered elsewhere.

The BBC Match Report clearly states that El Ghazi was mistakenly sent off against Leeds today and that he never touched Bamford, who then simulated injury.

More than reasonable grounds for an appeal I would think ?

If the simulation by Bamford is proven, can retrospective action be taken against him ?

Bamford was yellow carded which unfortunately - due to the FA's positively ridiculous rules - means he can't have a ban instated.

El Ghazi's card will be overturned or Villa will kick up stink. All news sources have reported it as unjust, as did the commentators at the time.

Bamford wasn't booked for simulation otherwise El Ghazi wouldn't have been sent off. As the ref didn't see that, it can be punished retrospectively. Whether it will be is another matter.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: KRS on April 28, 2019, 05:14:43 PM
That red card has to be rescinded. If it isn't, would it be a 1 or 3 game ban?
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 28, 2019, 05:16:04 PM
That red card has to be rescinded. If it isn't, would it be a 1 or 3 game ban?

3 match ban so would be out of both WBA games.

Hopefully we'll get it rescinded as he would be a big miss.

Dirt f***ing Leeds!
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Risso on April 28, 2019, 05:17:42 PM
That red card has to be rescinded. If it isn't, would it be a 1 or 3 game ban?

Three for violent conduct leading to a straight red.  One when it's a red for two yellows.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: taylorsworkrate on April 28, 2019, 05:21:44 PM
Its going to be rescinded.

The only way it won't is if the EFL decide trying to extricate yourself from a stranglehold is worthy of being sent off.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: London Villan on April 28, 2019, 05:23:20 PM
At the speed the efl operate heíll get it rescinded at Christmas.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: AsTallAsLions on April 28, 2019, 05:44:06 PM
Apologies if this is covered elsewhere.

The BBC Match Report clearly states that El Ghazi was mistakenly sent off against Leeds today and that he never touched Bamford, who then simulated injury.

More than reasonable grounds for an appeal I would think ?

If the simulation by Bamford is proven, can retrospective action be taken against him ?

Bamford was yellow carded which unfortunately - due to the FA's positively ridiculous rules - means he can't have a ban instated.

El Ghazi's card will be overturned or Villa will kick up stink. All news sources have reported it as unjust, as did the commentators at the time.

Bamford wasn't booked for simulation otherwise El Ghazi wouldn't have been sent off. As the ref didn't see that, it can be punished retrospectively. Whether it will be is another matter.

Not for simulation, no, but for his involvement in the fracas. Based on prior I would fully expect the EFL to rule that his conduct was dealt with in the whole, whether we agree or not
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: TheMalandro on April 28, 2019, 05:55:43 PM
Change some of these stupid rules. Punishment should be handed out if itís not seen at the time.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Risso on April 28, 2019, 05:59:53 PM
ATAL, sorry mate but that's nonsense.  That'll be overturned straight away.  You can't be red carded for "involvement in a fracas" else there'd have been nobody at all left on the pitch.  Bamford conned the officials, which was what led directly to El Ghazi being sent off.  Once it's reviewed, the red card will be rescinded.  In addition, Bamford will be charged, as the FA clearly has the power, thus:

"Where there is clear and overwhelming evidence to suggest a match official has been deceived by an act of simulation, and as a direct result, the offending playerís team has been awarded a penalty and/or an opposing player has been dismissed, The FA will be able to act retrospectively under its Fast Track system. In accepted and/or proven cases of simulation and/or feigning injury, the offending player would receive a two-match suspension."

So Bamford will probably miss their last league match and first play off game.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: AsTallAsLions on April 28, 2019, 06:03:01 PM
Wasn't aware of the two game suspension clause.

We'll see though. I have no faith at all in the FA. And in any case, as noted elsewhere, if they were to review the whole thing and start meting out punishments, there's every chance one or two of our own could be handed bans for other bits and pieces during the barmy.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: TheMalandro on April 28, 2019, 06:07:48 PM
Two games only? They should up that. It should be two games for being a c**t and whatever our players suspension wouldíve been. Plus make Leeds play with ten men for fifteen minutes.

Agree with your assessment of Elland Road. I was shocked at my first game, itís almost non league, apart from the main stand - must be twenty years since Iíve been too.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Risso on April 28, 2019, 06:16:24 PM
They charged £175 for a match ticket and a breakfast buffet.  Robbing Yorkshire bastards.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Ads on April 28, 2019, 06:20:56 PM
And it's a fucking dump.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: TheMalandro on April 28, 2019, 06:23:37 PM
They charged £175 for a match ticket and a breakfast buffet.  Robbing Yorkshire bastards.

You did start breakfast at 7am, you fat bastard 😂

(For any sensitive souls, Risso isnít fat)
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: maidstonevillain on April 28, 2019, 06:24:15 PM
They charged £175 for a match ticket and a breakfast buffet.  Robbing Yorkshire bastards.

But did that also include the meet-and-greet with St*v* H*d*e.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Risso on April 28, 2019, 06:27:33 PM
I did give him a wanker sign on the way out.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Dave on April 28, 2019, 06:44:58 PM
They charged £175 for a match ticket and a breakfast buffet.  Robbing Yorkshire bastards.

But did that also include the meet-and-greet with St*v* H*d*e.

It cost an extra £75 to not meet him.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Lastfootstamper on April 28, 2019, 07:41:31 PM
It'll be rescinded*, and we'll get fined again for failing to control our players.

*the red card, not H*dge being a wanker.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: mike on April 28, 2019, 10:47:27 PM
Two games only? They should up that. It should be two games for being a c**t and whatever our players suspension wouldíve been.

Normally I'm a Guardian reading liberal, but I quite like the idea of the FA being able to ban people retrospectively for the offence of 'being a c@@t.' Lee Bowyer and Craig Bellamy would hardly have played a match.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Newby on April 28, 2019, 11:18:58 PM
Some saying that El Ghazi didn't play well today.  I thought he looked to take the defender on and caused them problems without that bit of final class.  I think he's playing well and will have the red card rescinded.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: KRS on April 29, 2019, 12:24:36 AM
How many days does it usually take for the FA to sort these appeals out? I'd rather it wasn't hanging over the club and player for days waiting for them to make a decision.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 29, 2019, 12:34:40 AM
The FA will have managed to fine us twice for failing to control our players, in games 7 weeks apart, while saying nary a word about assaults on players.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Pete3206 on April 29, 2019, 12:57:25 AM
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Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Rigadon on April 29, 2019, 07:51:26 AM
The FA will have managed to fine us twice for failing to control our players, in games 7 weeks apart, while saying nary a word about assaults on players.

Yes.  I can only think they are waiting for the season to end before handing out a punishment for the Blues
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: London Villan on April 29, 2019, 09:11:26 AM
When Jack in man-marked as closely as he was yesterday AEG has got to take advantage of the space it creates. Next to Jack he is probably our most creative player.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: cdbullyweefan on April 29, 2019, 09:18:33 AM
The FA will have managed to fine us twice for failing to control our players, in games 7 weeks apart, while saying nary a word about assaults on players.

Yes.  I can only think they are waiting for the season to end before handing out a punishment for the Blues

They are taking no action, or would have done so by now.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on April 29, 2019, 09:24:54 AM
How many days does it usually take for the FA to sort these appeals out? I'd rather it wasn't hanging over the club and player for days waiting for them to make a decision.

When we played Boro the other week, Ayala was sent off on the Tuesday / Wednesday and they got it overturned (luckily IMO as it was a bad foul) in time for him to be able to play us on the Saturday.

This is the EFL though so fuck knows.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: chrisw1 on April 29, 2019, 09:43:54 AM
There's no doubt it will be over turned in plenty of time for Norwich so no need to panic about that.

I wouldn't be surprised if we get another fine for failing to control players though.  Not that I think we deserve it, but the players actions - particularly Hourihane - were far worse than against Blues.

The only silver lining is I don't see how Bamford can avoid a ban.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: danno on April 29, 2019, 09:47:41 AM
Maybe he's lethal the rest of the time, but yesterday I thought Bamford looked useless.  I thought a cast member of TOWIE had won a competition to play upfront.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Risso on April 29, 2019, 10:10:13 AM
Maybe he's lethal the rest of the time, but yesterday I thought Bamford looked useless.  I thought a cast member of TOWIE had won a competition to play upfront.

None of their fans seem to rate him very highy at all.  What with them all being gruff Yorkshire folk, he's regarded as a southern, public school ponce.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: XXVilla on April 29, 2019, 10:16:44 AM
There's no doubt it will be over turned in plenty of time for Norwich so no need to panic about that.

I wouldn't be surprised if we get another fine for failing to control players though.  Not that I think we deserve it, but the players actions - particularly Hourihane - were far worse than against Blues.

The only silver lining is I don't see how Bamford can avoid a ban.

Wasnít he given a card as a result of the incident though which means he canít be given a retrospective punishment?
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: chrisw1 on April 29, 2019, 10:22:13 AM
There's no doubt it will be over turned in plenty of time for Norwich so no need to panic about that.

I wouldn't be surprised if we get another fine for failing to control players though.  Not that I think we deserve it, but the players actions - particularly Hourihane - were far worse than against Blues.

The only silver lining is I don't see how Bamford can avoid a ban.

Wasnít he given a card as a result of the incident though which means he canít be given a retrospective punishment?
Not for simulation he wasn't.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: darren woolley on April 29, 2019, 10:23:57 AM
I hope he get's it overturned before the Norwich game and that cheat Bamford get's a three game ban instead.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Dr Butler on April 29, 2019, 10:31:55 AM
I hope he get's it overturned before the Norwich game and that cheat Bamford get's a three game ban instead.

this would only be fair in my opinion, a straight red is a 3 game ban.

UTV
The Doc
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: tomd2103 on April 29, 2019, 10:33:43 AM
Maybe he's lethal the rest of the time, but yesterday I thought Bamford looked useless.  I thought a cast member of TOWIE had won a competition to play upfront.

Think there were some stats mentioned before the game that his highest total of goals in one season is 17 and that he has managed to rack up 10 clubs by the age of 25. 
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: cheltenhamlion on April 29, 2019, 10:34:26 AM
There's no doubt it will be over turned in plenty of time for Norwich so no need to panic about that.

I wouldn't be surprised if we get another fine for failing to control players though.  Not that I think we deserve it, but the players actions - particularly Hourihane - were far worse than against Blues.

The only silver lining is I don't see how Bamford can avoid a ban.

Wasnít he given a card as a result of the incident though which means he canít be given a retrospective punishment?
Not for simulation he wasn't.

Bamford's yellow was for his assault on Hourihane, not for play acting. He can still get picked up retrospectively and should receive a 2 game ban.

El Ghazi's red will be overturned by the end of tomorrow I would imagine.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: XXVilla on April 29, 2019, 10:37:12 AM
There's no doubt it will be over turned in plenty of time for Norwich so no need to panic about that.

I wouldn't be surprised if we get another fine for failing to control players though.  Not that I think we deserve it, but the players actions - particularly Hourihane - were far worse than against Blues.

The only silver lining is I don't see how Bamford can avoid a ban.

Wasnít he given a card as a result of the incident though which means he canít be given a retrospective punishment?
Not for simulation he wasn't.

Bamford's yellow was for his assault on Hourihane, not for play acting. He can still get picked up retrospectively and should receive a 2 game ban.

El Ghazi's red will be overturned by the end of tomorrow I would imagine.

Great I hope he does.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 29, 2019, 10:56:24 AM
I hope he get's it overturned before the Norwich game and that cheat Bamford get's a three game ban instead.

I hope not. I'd prefer to see him playing up front for Leeds. He's shit.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: XXVilla on April 29, 2019, 10:59:16 AM
I hope he get's it overturned before the Norwich game and that cheat Bamford get's a three game ban instead.

I hope not. I'd prefer to see him playing up front for Leeds. He's shit.

Good point well made
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Dazvillain on April 29, 2019, 11:41:00 AM
There's no doubt it will be over turned in plenty of time for Norwich so no need to panic about that.

I wouldn't be surprised if we get another fine for failing to control players though.  Not that I think we deserve it, but the players actions - particularly Hourihane - were far worse than against Blues.

The only silver lining is I don't see how Bamford can avoid a ban.

Wasnít he given a card as a result of the incident though which means he canít be given a retrospective punishment?
Not for simulation he wasn't.

Bamford's yellow was for his assault on Hourihane, not for play acting. He can still get picked up retrospectively and should receive a 2 game ban.

El Ghazi's red will be overturned by the end of tomorrow I would imagine.
It at same time itís possible that Hourihane will get a ban for his punch to stomach / ribs
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 29, 2019, 11:42:29 AM
I hope he get's it overturned before the Norwich game and that cheat Bamford get's a three game ban instead.

I hope not. I'd prefer to see him playing up front for Leeds. He's shit.

Kemar Roofe is a much better striker for way Leeds play.

I know who I'd rather see upfront for them if we meet again in PO final.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: XXVilla on April 29, 2019, 11:46:51 AM
There's no doubt it will be over turned in plenty of time for Norwich so no need to panic about that.

I wouldn't be surprised if we get another fine for failing to control players though.  Not that I think we deserve it, but the players actions - particularly Hourihane - were far worse than against Blues.

The only silver lining is I don't see how Bamford can avoid a ban.

Wasnít he given a card as a result of the incident though which means he canít be given a retrospective punishment?
Not for simulation he wasn't.

Bamford's yellow was for his assault on Hourihane, not for play acting. He can still get picked up retrospectively and should receive a 2 game ban.

El Ghazi's red will be overturned by the end of tomorrow I would imagine.
It at same time itís possible that Hourihane will get a ban for his punch to stomach / ribs

No contact made as far a I could see. Other bloke didnít even flinch.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: cheltenhamlion on April 29, 2019, 11:53:01 AM
There's no doubt it will be over turned in plenty of time for Norwich so no need to panic about that.

I wouldn't be surprised if we get another fine for failing to control players though.  Not that I think we deserve it, but the players actions - particularly Hourihane - were far worse than against Blues.

The only silver lining is I don't see how Bamford can avoid a ban.

Wasnít he given a card as a result of the incident though which means he canít be given a retrospective punishment?
Not for simulation he wasn't.

Bamford's yellow was for his assault on Hourihane, not for play acting. He can still get picked up retrospectively and should receive a 2 game ban.

El Ghazi's red will be overturned by the end of tomorrow I would imagine.
It at same time itís possible that Hourihane will get a ban for his punch to stomach / ribs

That is quite possible as well.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 29, 2019, 11:57:05 AM
I hope he get's it overturned before the Norwich game and that cheat Bamford get's a three game ban instead.

I hope not. I'd prefer to see him playing up front for Leeds. He's shit.

Kemar Roofe is a much better striker for way Leeds play.

I know who I'd rather see upfront for them if we meet again in PO final.

Oh indeed. Roofe was rushed back last week when he came off the bench and it was embarrassing to see how poor he was. It was like watching a pub player.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Dave on April 29, 2019, 01:56:03 PM
I hope he get's it overturned before the Norwich game and that cheat Bamford get's a three game ban instead.

this would only be fair in my opinion, a straight red is a 3 game ban.

UTV
The Doc

For some offences it is - for others it's a one match ban.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 29, 2019, 02:13:20 PM
There's no doubt it will be over turned in plenty of time for Norwich so no need to panic about that.

I wouldn't be surprised if we get another fine for failing to control players though.  Not that I think we deserve it, but the players actions - particularly Hourihane - were far worse than against Blues.

The only silver lining is I don't see how Bamford can avoid a ban.

Wasnít he given a card as a result of the incident though which means he canít be given a retrospective punishment?
Not for simulation he wasn't.

Bamford's yellow was for his assault on Hourihane, not for play acting. He can still get picked up retrospectively and should receive a 2 game ban.

El Ghazi's red will be overturned by the end of tomorrow I would imagine.
It at same time itís possible that Hourihane will get a ban for his punch to stomach / ribs

That is quite possible as well.

If the ref or linesman had seen Hourihane do that he might have been sent off for violent conduct. You can't just go up and jab a bloke in the ribs. That was a twat thing to do as much as he was defending his teammates.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: XXVilla on April 29, 2019, 02:23:37 PM
There's no doubt it will be over turned in plenty of time for Norwich so no need to panic about that.

I wouldn't be surprised if we get another fine for failing to control players though.  Not that I think we deserve it, but the players actions - particularly Hourihane - were far worse than against Blues.

The only silver lining is I don't see how Bamford can avoid a ban.

Wasnít he given a card as a result of the incident though which means he canít be given a retrospective punishment?
Not for simulation he wasn't.

Bamford's yellow was for his assault on Hourihane, not for play acting. He can still get picked up retrospectively and should receive a 2 game ban.

El Ghazi's red will be overturned by the end of tomorrow I would imagine.
It at same time itís possible that Hourihane will get a ban for his punch to stomach / ribs

That is quite possible as well.

If the ref or linesman had seen Hourihane do that he might have been sent off for violent conduct. You can't just go up and jab a bloke in the ribs. That was a twat thing to do as much as he was defending his teammates.

Iím not sure he did really. The bloke didnít even flinch
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: KRS on April 29, 2019, 02:31:34 PM
Well the incidents are now being analysed on SSN, and I get the feeling the following will happen on official review:

1. El Ghazi red card rescinded.
2. Bamford charged with deceiving officials and receive 2 game ban.
3. Hourihane charge with violent conduct and possible 3 game ban.
3. Both teams charged with failing to control players and fined.

I agree the ďpunchĒ was a nonsense and was so soft that their player didnít react, however I think they will charge him for the action and intent.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: AsTallAsLions on April 29, 2019, 02:40:54 PM
Well the incidents are now being analysed on SSN, and I get the feeling the following will happen on official review:

1. El Ghazi red card rescinded.
2. Bamford charged with deceiving officials and receive 2 game ban.
3. Hourihane charge with violent conduct and possible 3 game ban.
3. Both teams charged with failing to control players and fined.

I agree the ďpunchĒ was a nonsense and was so soft that their player didnít react, however I think they will charge him for the action and intent.

Agreed in principle, but a 2 match ban to equal Bamford's. It would be a massive fuck you from the FA to Villa if they took our request for a review and turned that into banning our player for longer than the Leeds lad. I'm not saying they wouldn't do it as they are daft eejits at the best of times, but I'd like to think some level of common sense would prevail.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Damo70 on April 29, 2019, 02:47:40 PM
Well the incidents are now being analysed on SSN, and I get the feeling the following will happen on official review:

1. El Ghazi red card rescinded.
2. Bamford charged with deceiving officials and receive 2 game ban.
3. Hourihane charge with violent conduct and possible 3 game ban.
3. Both teams charged with failing to control players and fined.

I agree the ďpunchĒ was a nonsense and was so soft that their player didnít react, however I think they will charge him for the action and intent.

Agreed in principle, but a 2 match ban to equal Bamford's. It would be a massive fuck you from the FA to Villa if they took our request for a review and turned that into banning our player for longer than the Leeds lad. I'm not saying they wouldn't do it as they are daft eejits at the best of times, but I'd like to think some level of common sense would prevail.


Didn't Lee Hendrie get banned for an incident at Manchester City years ago when he did a headbutt gesture to the opposition player, even though he didn't make contact and clearly didn't intend to?
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: KRS on April 29, 2019, 03:06:45 PM
Well the incidents are now being analysed on SSN, and I get the feeling the following will happen on official review:

1. El Ghazi red card rescinded.
2. Bamford charged with deceiving officials and receive 2 game ban.
3. Hourihane charge with violent conduct and possible 3 game ban.
3. Both teams charged with failing to control players and fined.

I agree the ďpunchĒ was a nonsense and was so soft that their player didnít react, however I think they will charge him for the action and intent.

Agreed in principle, but a 2 match ban to equal Bamford's. It would be a massive fuck you from the FA to Villa if they took our request for a review and turned that into banning our player for longer than the Leeds lad. I'm not saying they wouldn't do it as they are daft eejits at the best of times, but I'd like to think some level of common sense would prevail.
I agree and think it should be no more than 1 game ban for Hourihane if they do charge him given that the action and footage is inconclusive (ie their player didn't react so he may not have made contact or it could have been a point/prod gesture as we can't see his fist). If it was a 3 game ban then the club should most certainly appeal.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 29, 2019, 03:29:15 PM
violent conduct is a 3 match ban, he only punched him softly isn't really much of a defence.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: AsTallAsLions on April 29, 2019, 03:33:13 PM
violent conduct is a 3 match ban, he only punched him softly isn't really much of a defence.

Has he punched him? The more I see it the less it looks right to me. He appears to swing his arm like he's throwing a bit of a strop and then opens his hand at the end. Like he's pushing him rather punching. Which would make more sense given the total lack of reaction - you'd expect a bit of light shoving but not a fist, however soft. I don't think there's a single player who'd show no reaction if he knew someone had just swung a fist at him.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 29, 2019, 03:37:30 PM
He goes to punch him, that the player hardly reacts is a credit to him but doesn't change it being violent conduct, I really don't get why anyone is trying to defend that. If that had been a sha player on Jack there'd almost certainly be zero attempts on here to play it down.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: AsTallAsLions on April 29, 2019, 03:40:59 PM
He goes to punch him, that the player hardly reacts is a credit to him but doesn't change it being violent conduct, I really don't get why anyone is trying to defend that. If that had been a sha player on Jack there'd almost certainly be zero attempts on here to play it down.

"He goes to punch him"

What does that even mean? Has he punched him or not, in your view?

If he has, why the total lack of reaction?
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: wittonwarrior on April 29, 2019, 03:42:45 PM
Personally I think El Ghazi will get his red  card rescinded and the clubs will be charged with failing to control their players end of.

Connor and Bambi got yellow cards so the argument will be that the ref saw the incident and that will be that.

Leeds remains as a stained football club all these years on, well done Don Revie you created a prick of a monster and you would be welcome at the Sty any day.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 29, 2019, 03:44:28 PM
He goes to punch him, that the player hardly reacts is a credit to him but doesn't change it being violent conduct, I really don't get why anyone is trying to defend that. If that had been a sha player on Jack there'd almost certainly be zero attempts on here to play it down.

"He goes to punch him"

What does that even mean? Has he punched him or not, in your view?

If he has, why the total lack of reaction?

Yes but he started to pull it when he realised what he was doing, so it's violent conduct. The whole he hardly hit him is such a shit defence just because it's a Villa player that I reckon PH came up with it.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 29, 2019, 03:51:25 PM
If they both got booked which I think they did, can the FA still act retrospectively?
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Lastfootstamper on April 29, 2019, 03:52:05 PM
Edited, KRS just answered my question.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Smithy on April 29, 2019, 03:52:25 PM
If they both got booked which I think they did, can the FA still act retrospectively?

They can if the booking was for something else, i.e. the FA can act on something not seen by the officials at the time.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 29, 2019, 03:54:28 PM
If they both got booked which I think they did, can the FA still act retrospectively?

I think the cheating can be done retrospectively regardless of a booking, I assume Hotlips was done for the original scuffle and not the punch, or 'punch' depending on your point of view, so can be done as well.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: KRS on April 29, 2019, 03:55:40 PM
From what's been said today, a player can be charged for actions/incidents that the ref didn't see at the time (ie the "punch"). The charge for deceiving match officials isn't dependent on whether a player was been previously booked, and is subject to an independent panel further to the red card being rescinded.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: XXVilla on April 30, 2019, 02:52:31 PM
Red card rescinded
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Bren'd on April 30, 2019, 03:02:35 PM
Whatever punishment is now dished out to Bamford you can be assured Hourihane will get the same.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Nev on April 30, 2019, 03:20:02 PM
Percy form the Terriblegraph reckons there will be no action against Conor so I would imagine Bampuss will not be subject to anything further.

It should just be left now.

I see Fat Cu..erm I mean Sam has added to the "play to the whistle" shit. Hush up Fat Boy, how about another gallon of wine?
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: mr underhill on April 30, 2019, 03:34:07 PM
Bamford looks just like one of those soft blokes Buggerallmoney would take the piss out of, like.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: KRS on April 30, 2019, 03:50:24 PM
Red card rescinded
Where has this been officially confirmed? Any links?
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Risso on April 30, 2019, 04:03:00 PM
Red card rescinded

Where's that news from?
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: AsTallAsLions on April 30, 2019, 04:03:57 PM
Don't see this actually reported anywhere. (Yet at least).
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Villafirst on April 30, 2019, 04:08:42 PM
John Percy (Telegraph) confirmed it. And sounds like no action over Conor. Good News if true....
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Risso on April 30, 2019, 04:12:04 PM
John Perry (Telegraph) confirmed it. And sounds like no action over Conor. Good News if true....

Assuming you mean John Percy, where has he said anything?  Nothing on his Telegraph or Twitter page about it.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Towser on April 30, 2019, 04:12:35 PM
This was Percy's tweet

(https://i.ibb.co/2ZhsNb2/IMG-4319.png) (https://ibb.co/2ZhsNb2)
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Risso on April 30, 2019, 04:15:17 PM
He's either deleted it then, or it's fake.  Either would suggest nothing official is out.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Towser on April 30, 2019, 04:31:10 PM
Villa just tweeted to confirm red card but nothing on Conor yet
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: kieron on April 30, 2019, 04:33:03 PM
https://twitter.com/JPercyTelegraph/status/1123248236939100160

#lufc striker Patrick Bamford has been charged with ďsuccessful deception of a match officialĒ by the FA & is facing a 2-match ban. #avfc winger Anwar El Ghaziís ďred cardĒ for violent conduct has been rescinded. No retrospective action will be taken against Conor Hourihane
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Walmley_Villa on April 30, 2019, 04:35:18 PM
From the FA Site

"Anwar El Ghazi will be available for Aston Villaís next three matches after a claim of wrongful dismissal was upheld by an Independent Regulatory Commission. The forward was sent off for violent conduct during the EFL Championship fixture against Leeds United on Sunday [28/04/2019].

Patrick Bamford has subsequently been charged with Ďsuccessful deception of a match officialí. It is alleged the Leeds United playerís behaviour in the 72nd minute of the fixture, which involved committing a clear act of simulation that led to Anwar El Ghazi being dismissed, amounts to improper conduct. The forward has until 18:00 on Wednesday [01/05/2019] to respond to the charge.   

In addition, Leeds United and Aston Villa have been charged with a breach of FA Rule E20. It is alleged they failed to ensure their players conducted themselves in an orderly fashion during the 72nd minute of the fixture. Both clubs have until 18:00 on Friday [03/05/2019] to provide a response."
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: kieron on April 30, 2019, 04:38:08 PM
https://twitter.com/henrywinter/status/1123249048926994432

El Ghazi red card rightly rescinded. Bamford rightly charged for ďsuccessful deception of a match officialĒ. #LUFC and #AVFC inevitably charged over ďfailure to ensure their players conducted themselves in an orderly fashionĒ. Statement from ⁦@FA⁩ https://twitter.com/henrywinter/status/1123249048926994432/photo/1
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Risso on April 30, 2019, 04:47:53 PM
Excellent, and all exactly as expected.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: frank black on April 30, 2019, 04:51:07 PM
Yep Banford ban 2 games minimum I expect.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: KRS on April 30, 2019, 04:55:12 PM
Excellent news...especially if no further action to be taken against Hourihane.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Richard E on April 30, 2019, 05:08:11 PM
Heartless of the FA to posthumously charge Bamford. Let the poor guy rest in peace.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Lastfootstamper on April 30, 2019, 05:14:13 PM
What else did people think Hourihane would get done for? I'd not looked back at it since Sunday, but reading various tweeted replies to Henry Winter's piece prompted me to do so. From what I can see, he neither grabs Klich round the throat nor punches him, doesn't even swing a punch.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: chrisw1 on April 30, 2019, 05:18:28 PM
What else did people think Hourihane would get done for? I'd not looked back at it since Sunday, but reading various tweeted replies to Henry Winter's piece prompted me to do so. From what I can see, he neither grabs Klich round the throat nor punches him, doesn't even swing a punch.
There's a video of him making a sharp jab towards Kliche's stomach / chest which has been interpreted by many as a punch.  There's comment that Klich doesn't react, but to be fair he does, he kind of spins away after the 'poke'
https://twitter.com/LeedsInShetland/status/1122525239022432256
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: chrisw1 on April 30, 2019, 05:26:40 PM
I know by definition most football fans are partisan and I'm sure I have claret & blue specs along with the rest of you, but even so I have been pretty dismayed at how one eyed Leeds fans have generally been over the whole affair.  Granted most accept Bamford was out of order (how could you not?) but loads are still aggrieved by Jack 'diving all over the place,' feel playing on was perfectly reasonable (whereas under the specific circumstances most people in football seem to think it was a disgrace) and are convinced Hourihane is Mike Tyson reincarnated.

Most fans think the world is against them (look at us with WM, Kalinic work permit, Beattie tapping up etc) but their 'woe me' attitude takes things to another level given their team and Bamfords conduct on Sunday. 
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: ktvillan on April 30, 2019, 06:00:07 PM
I suspect Hourihane got away with any further punishment because he was booked for his part in the fracas, so it was deemed to have been dealt with by the ref.  Bamford was too, but the simulation was not dealt with by the ref hence the retrospective ban.   Hourihane was pretty aggressive during the whole thing and can perhaps consider himself lucky to only end up with a yellow.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: hilts_coolerking on April 30, 2019, 06:22:46 PM
I suspect Hourihane got away with any further punishment because he was booked for his part in the fracas, so it was deemed to have been dealt with by the ref.  Bamford was too, but the simulation was not dealt with by the ref hence the retrospective ban.   Hourihane was pretty aggressive during the whole thing and can perhaps consider himself lucky to only end up with a yellow.
Agreed.  It was full on red mist and he raised his hands which is usually a big no no.  I think he can count himself lucky.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Newby on April 30, 2019, 06:22:54 PM
The old adage 'cheats never prosper' is alive and well.  Bamford deserves what he gets.  El Ghazi has been in good form.  Long may it continue. 
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: themossman on April 30, 2019, 06:48:05 PM
I know by definition most football fans are partisan and I'm sure I have claret & blue specs along with the rest of you, but even so I have been pretty dismayed at how one eyed Leeds fans have generally been over the whole affair.  Granted most accept Bamford was out of order (how could you not?) but loads are still aggrieved by Jack 'diving all over the place,' feel playing on was perfectly reasonable (whereas under the specific circumstances most people in football seem to think it was a disgrace) and are convinced Hourihane is Mike Tyson reincarnated.

Most fans think the world is against them (look at us with WM, Kalinic work permit, Beattie tapping up etc) but their 'woe me' attitude takes things to another level given their team and Bamfords conduct on Sunday.

Because theyíre c***s.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Meanwood Villa on April 30, 2019, 08:52:16 PM
I suspect Hourihane got away with any further punishment because he was booked for his part in the fracas, so it was deemed to have been dealt with by the ref.  Bamford was too, but the simulation was not dealt with by the ref hence the retrospective ban.   Hourihane was pretty aggressive during the whole thing and can perhaps consider himself lucky to only end up with a yellow.
Agreed.  It was full on red mist and he raised his hands which is usually a big no no.  I think he can count himself lucky.

Yeah that's pretty much where i'm with it too. You can't retrospectively increase the punishment for something the ref has already punished but perhaps Conor should have got a red at the time. I guess ref was never going to send two off.

Leeds fans have been very one eyed about it though. Pisses me off when Jack gets pelters for diving when pricks kick lumps out of him every week.

Just realised nothing about El Ghazi in this post!
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: tim on May 01, 2019, 08:14:19 AM
If Bamford does appeal, would that mean he's eligible to play the next 2 games whilst the appeal is heard?
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on May 01, 2019, 08:17:56 AM
So we've been charged twice in a season with failing to control our players - guessing that will escalate the punishment a bit?
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: frank black on May 01, 2019, 08:25:12 AM
So we've been charged twice in a season with failing to control our players - guessing that will escalate the punishment a bit?


Ironically if we had controlled our players we wouldnít have equalised straight away. But we wouldnít have had a sending off
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Clampy on May 01, 2019, 08:30:09 AM
If Bamford does appeal, would that mean he's eligible to play the next 2 games whilst the appeal is heard?


I wouldn't bother if I was him. He'd just make himself look even more of a twat than he already has.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: tim on May 01, 2019, 08:43:15 AM
If Bamford does appeal, would that mean he's eligible to play the next 2 games whilst the appeal is heard?


I wouldn't bother if I was him. He'd just make himself look even more of a twat than he already has.
Indeed he would, but if it means some input into the play-offs, then I wouldn't be surprised if he did...
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: dave shelley on May 01, 2019, 09:47:33 AM
If Bamford does appeal, would that mean he's eligible to play the next 2 games whilst the appeal is heard?


If he does it will prove he has no more brain than your average Nose.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: XXVilla on May 01, 2019, 09:57:55 AM
Appeals cost money. Iím not sure Leeds will want to throw good after bad chasing a lost cause.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: KRS on May 01, 2019, 05:11:02 PM
Any appeal would be dealt with quite rapidly...I doubt he'd want to risk missing the second leg and potentially the playoff final instead of their last game of the season and first leg.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Colhint on May 02, 2019, 09:53:48 PM
I think they will claim mistaken Identity, I reckon Arya Stark clocked him
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 11, 2019, 03:48:48 PM
Bumping this one up. This lad has been quite brilliant for a couple of months now. Full backs hate that he is brimming with confidence and loves to attack constantly. Well done again today on a very good display. Hope his injury is minor and heís fit for Tuesday.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: achilles on May 11, 2019, 04:00:23 PM
Thought he was MOM for me today, constantly looking to take the fullback on, really positive.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: paul_e on May 11, 2019, 04:04:36 PM
I agree, I thought he was very good today, a left back who can cross and take on a man behind him would be great to see because he makes defenders commit themselves.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Rotterdam on May 11, 2019, 06:11:26 PM
Ditto.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: frank black on May 11, 2019, 06:13:55 PM
They didnít like it up em did they. Rabbits in headlights against Anwar and this should be exploited. Shame we are not as dangerous on both sides of the pitch.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 11, 2019, 06:23:15 PM
Thought he was good. When we were struggling he was one of the few really playing with energy.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: themossman on May 11, 2019, 06:30:57 PM
Probably the best player during our shit spell. End product often lacking but heís lovely to watch cutting in and running at defenders and always ties up players
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 11, 2019, 06:40:44 PM
He was good first half, little bit more quiet second but he's a real threat when he's on the ball now.

If you asked me even in February I'd have said no chance signing him full time but he has done well last two months and been a key player in the run. Clearly a player who is beginning to click from the coaching on training ground so yes worth signing for 5m especially as we'll lose an attacking player or two this summer.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Risso on May 11, 2019, 06:48:24 PM
I thought he was our best player today.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Villafirst on May 11, 2019, 07:00:59 PM
He was down a long time but no obvious injury as such? Hopefully ok for Tuesday?
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 11, 2019, 07:09:37 PM
Yes fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Ian J on May 11, 2019, 07:48:35 PM
He was superb today, so good to have players who can create and change a game especially if we have a couple not quite on form. I hope we sign this fella.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Big Dick Edwards on May 11, 2019, 08:11:01 PM
Fair play to him. He's observing Ramadan so is fasting. Deano said he was just knackered at the end rather than injured.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: villan from luton on May 11, 2019, 08:36:17 PM
He was certainly one of our better players again today and have to respect his religious beliefs. Bit worried about Tuesday, he will have fasted for longer.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Ads on May 11, 2019, 08:44:22 PM
He was certainly one of our better players again today and have to respect his religious beliefs. Bit worried about Tuesday, he will have fasted for longer.

It's a night game so he can take on food.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: villan from luton on May 11, 2019, 08:53:32 PM
He was certainly one of our better players again today and have to respect his religious beliefs. Bit worried about Tuesday, he will have fasted for longer.

It's a night game so he can take on food.

From what time though, not sure when tbh?
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: purpletrousers on May 11, 2019, 08:54:06 PM
First half will be right at the end of the fast though which will be tough, though eg Brum Central Mosqueís Iftar is 8.56pm that day, no idea which heíd go by, but he should be able to eat right before the 2nd half, and maybe the odd snack during 2nd, Iím sure they are on the case.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Pete3206 on May 11, 2019, 09:49:26 PM
He worked his knankers off today. Big future in the game and if not with us, I wish him all the very best.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 11, 2019, 09:56:06 PM
I hope it is with us. For the agreed fee heís a bargain.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: villan from luton on May 11, 2019, 09:58:35 PM
Muslim mate says 9pm, but Deano says they have been monitoring things apparently. He was excellent today and against a team that need to win I think he will be superb again
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 11, 2019, 10:06:43 PM
Fair play to him. He's observing Ramadan so is fasting. Deano said he was just knackered at the end rather than injured.

Completely forgot about that. Means he couldnít even accept water. Thatís hard. Makes his display al the more impressive.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 11, 2019, 10:16:16 PM
Fair play to him. He's observing Ramadan so is fasting. Deano said he was just knackered at the end rather than injured.

Impressive effort, he worked bloody hard.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on May 11, 2019, 10:20:01 PM
Fair play to him. He's observing Ramadan so is fasting. Deano said he was just knackered at the end rather than injured.

Completely forgot about that. Means he couldnít even accept water. Thatís hard. Makes his display al the more impressive.

Presumably Elmo was affected too.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: The_ads on May 11, 2019, 10:37:07 PM
He was my MOTM today, direct and hard working, looked a threat every time he had ball
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: London Villan on May 11, 2019, 10:53:48 PM
Fair play to him (or both of them). Canít have been easy.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: olaftab on May 12, 2019, 11:34:33 AM
Fair play to him. He's observing Ramadan so is fasting. Deano said he was just knackered at the end rather than injured.

Completely forgot about that. Means he couldnít even accept water. Thatís hard. Makes his display al the more impressive.

Presumably Elmo was affected too.
Yes that's correct from what I have been told. Anwar and Ahmed are fasting. Tuesday night will be more difficult as at 8PM they would be about 7 hours further into the fast than yesterday. Dean and Villa nutritional  staff have to think around that.
One  idea could be to bench El Ghazi and as fast ends around 8.50 PM he will be ready for  the second half?
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 12, 2019, 02:23:40 PM
Fair play to him. He's observing Ramadan so is fasting. Deano said he was just knackered at the end rather than injured.

Completely forgot about that. Means he couldnít even accept water. Thatís hard. Makes his display al the more impressive.

Presumably Elmo was affected too.
Yes that's correct from what I have been told. Anwar and Ahmed are fasting. Tuesday night will be more difficult as at 8PM they would be about 7 hours further into the fast than yesterday. Dean and Villa nutritional  staff have to think around that.
One  idea could be to bench El Ghazi and as fast ends around 8.50 PM he will be ready for  the second half?

It can't surely be reasonable to ask them to start the game if they haven't eaten anything all day ahead of an evening kickoff? It also sounds like a bad idea to do so from a football perspective.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Risso on May 12, 2019, 02:30:13 PM
Grrrrr, religious sky fairy nonsense.....
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: TheMalandro on May 12, 2019, 02:58:54 PM
The problem is more about water. Iíd rest him.

Iím not sure we can rest Elmo. Although, Hutton is decent in these sort of games.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: cdbullyweefan on May 12, 2019, 03:15:59 PM
I think some Imams think it's acceptable to break fast when you are playing sport, so long as you make up for it at some point. Opinion is divided, though. Either way, neither AAG or Elmo looked affected yesterday, they will at least be able to drink water on Tuesday night, regardless. Albeit they won't have had anything to eat for about seventeen hours.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: paul_e on May 12, 2019, 03:39:02 PM
Fair play to him. He's observing Ramadan so is fasting. Deano said he was just knackered at the end rather than injured.

Completely forgot about that. Means he couldnít even accept water. Thatís hard. Makes his display al the more impressive.

Presumably Elmo was affected too.
Yes that's correct from what I have been told. Anwar and Ahmed are fasting. Tuesday night will be more difficult as at 8PM they would be about 7 hours further into the fast than yesterday. Dean and Villa nutritional  staff have to think around that.
One  idea could be to bench El Ghazi and as fast ends around 8.50 PM he will be ready for  the second half?

It can't surely be reasonable to ask them to start the game if they haven't eaten anything all day ahead of an evening kickoff? It also sounds like a bad idea to do so from a football perspective.

Surely i's up to them, if they're happy to play and confident that they can perform then they play, if they have concerns then we work with them to sort it out, seems pretty simple.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: olaftab on May 12, 2019, 06:35:30 PM
I think some Imams think it's acceptable to break fast when you are playing sport, so long as you make up for it at some point. Opinion is divided, though. Either way, neither AAG or Elmo looked affected yesterday, they will at least be able to drink water on Tuesday night, regardless. Albeit they won't have had anything to eat for about seventeen hours.
Yes so and I will try to explain as much as I can.
Assuming that the  players follow the religious scripture that provides the direction to fast it also offers mitigation in several scenarios. One being "If it hinders you from working in your field (in this case literally your farm where food is cultivated to provide for your family) and carrying out other necessary duties". In that case is not necessary for them to fast but exercise other options available to them one being providing food for a prescribed number of needy people. However some people believe it is not a choice based on strong belief and sight examples of followers in early days fasting whilst fighting the enemy and they believe it will affect their performance adversely if they didn't.
El Ghazi probably had his best game for us yesterday and ElMohamady was also very competent.
Last Wednesday evening both Ziyech and Mazraoui playing for Ajax were fasting when the game started. Ziyech was probably the best player on the pitch. In the 24th minute of the match, based on local sunset timing,  they both had nutritional tubes handed to them by Ajax staff.
As I said on Tuesday sun set in Birmingham is at about 8.55 so that means they will have to play the entire first half on a fast at about 17.5 hours. They will believe if the Dutch guys could do it they can as as well.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Risso on May 12, 2019, 06:39:26 PM
What do they do in the Arctic Circle where the sun never sets?
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Richard E on May 12, 2019, 06:42:00 PM
What do they do in the Arctic Circle where the sun never sets?

Die.

Or alternatively:-
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/277834/
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: cdbullyweefan on May 12, 2019, 06:48:05 PM
What do they do in the Arctic Circle where the sun never sets?

Fast according to the times in Mecca or the nearest "Muslim country".

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/277834/&ved=2ahUKEwjJ68_vxZbiAhV0URUIHXDSCUwQFjABegQIAhAB&usg=AOvVaw1Vic_HxJHK2ftcDvmfGkaQ&ampcf=1
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 12, 2019, 07:01:20 PM
We'e got a club chaplain. Can't we get a club iman to tell them Allah says it's okay?
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: olaftab on May 12, 2019, 07:08:03 PM
So I am not aware of our Artician friends struggle but I have lived in Gothenburg and can tell you what happens there. In June for example sun typically sets close to 12.00 midnight.  They  follow two  paths. One is as described by CD above. Second one followed by holier than though brigade is to drink and eat once a day  in that very small gap at midnight after sunsets and before it rises. 21/22 June you have to be quick :). They also have great difficulty with prayer timetables but I will leave that for a discussion on another day. 
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: purpletrousers on May 12, 2019, 07:10:37 PM
Grrrrr, religious sky fairy nonsense.....

Not massively thoughtful Risso. Obviously I think about this stuff as itís my job to, but have you ever (had the chance to) ask/ed someone why they fast?

If it was an away fixture further away the travel exemption also might come into play but enemy lines are pretty close to home in this case. Thanks for sharing the work citation Aftab.

Has anyone ever had any contact with the clubís Chaplains Revs Philip Nott & Ken Baker?

This sort of thread always makes me think of the Billy Bragg song, God's Footballer, inspired by Wolvesí Peter Knowles.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: purpletrousers on May 12, 2019, 07:18:36 PM
We'e got a club chaplain. Can't we get a club iman to tell them Allah says it's okay?
Only the Christian guys as far as I know. Personally I think they need a Buddhist one who could teach the players meditation and keep an eye on mental health issues. Just saying like.

I do have an Imam that works for me whoís very understanding ;)

Actually I saw a car parked on the way to the ground recently with an ?Oxfordshire NHS Chaplaincy parking pass in the window. Presuming s/he wasnít Milwall, would appreciate some networking with fellow Villa Chaplain if anybody knows who that is? 
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: olaftab on May 12, 2019, 07:29:38 PM
There is a well known saying that loses some impact in translation that sort of says "Where there is a will you will find an Imam who will". There are enough Imams around Aston so I am sure the Club can find one who can "correctly" guide the players ;)
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on May 12, 2019, 08:06:49 PM
Surely itís the same for Hegazi for the baggies?  He played okay yesterday.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Ads on May 12, 2019, 08:13:16 PM
Is it connected to sleep? Smith mentioned we'd been  monitoring his sleep.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 12, 2019, 08:17:19 PM
Surely itís the same for Hegazi for the baggies?  He played okay yesterday.

It was a lunchtime kickoff.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 12, 2019, 08:20:39 PM
All this starving yourself bullshit.

I'll never understand the absolutely nuts things religion makes people do.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Risso on May 12, 2019, 08:27:55 PM
Grrrrr, religious sky fairy nonsense.....

Not massively thoughtful Risso. Obviously I think about this stuff as itís my job to, but have you ever (had the chance to) ask/ed someone why they fast?

If it was an away fixture further away the travel exemption also might come into play but enemy lines are pretty close to home in this case. Thanks for sharing the work citation Aftab.

Has anyone ever had any contact with the clubís Chaplains Revs Philip Nott & Ken Baker?

This sort of thread always makes me think of the Billy Bragg song, God's Footballer, inspired by Wolvesí Peter Knowles.


I'm not a fan of any organised religion to be honest.  But yes, I'm aware of what fasting is based on.  I did it for a day with a friend on the IOM once, then went along for the post-fasting scran, which was great, although disappointingly lacking in beer to wash it down! ;)
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: WarszaVillan82 on May 12, 2019, 08:33:27 PM
All this starving yourself bullshit.

I'll never understand the absolutely nuts things religion makes people do.

It has fantastic marketing potential in the wider dieting market, what with the fasting diet fads. A monthly fast and then a curry blow out.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: olaftab on May 12, 2019, 08:44:35 PM
Is it connected to sleep? Smith mentioned we'd been  monitoring his sleep.
Fasting results in disturbed sleep. Pattern is you break fast at around 9PM. Dinner will take around 45 minutes. After that you will either relax at home or go to the mosque for an elongated prayer. This will finish around midnight. Return home and go to sleep but wake up at 3AM for breakfast. This is your meal to start fast for next day. Post that you may go back to bed or do other things till your work day starts. So ensuring a players sleeps adequately is a must I would think.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Gary Penrice on May 12, 2019, 08:55:07 PM
Religion getting in the way of your job......sorry but its a no from me!!
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: cdbullyweefan on May 12, 2019, 08:57:16 PM
It hasn't. He played.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: SheffieldVillain on May 12, 2019, 09:17:13 PM
And had a very good game.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Bad English on May 12, 2019, 09:28:38 PM
Surely itís the same for Hegazi for the baggies?  He played okay yesterday.
Yes, he had plenty of energy to slide in on Adomah for his booking.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: purpletrousers on May 12, 2019, 10:26:02 PM
Is it connected to sleep? Smith mentioned we'd been  monitoring his sleep.

Itís not uncommon for some patients in the community Iíve worked with to go a bit nocturnal, especially when Ramadan is around the longest & hottest days.

I guess it would be possible to plan ahead and shift sleep patterns around, maybe if training is in the mornings especially, a longer afternoon nap might work to conserve...

Jokes aside, whatever dispensation/guidance could be aquired, itís always going to be down to the individual as to whether they take up guidance or feel deep down they arenít being true to themselves, especially if others around are fasting.

Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 12, 2019, 10:31:12 PM
It is of course, also possible that (and I impugn nobody or anything except my own cynical mind here) that sportspeople who consider themselves ambassadors for their (unfairly maligned) communities, would want to outwardly project their solidarity with those communities whilst at the same time loading on carbs so that they can, in all good faith, fuck the Albion!
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: mallo on May 12, 2019, 10:38:45 PM
Iím sure heíll be busting a gut to play, which is what we would expect of any player. If heís not the best player on the day to be picked then that is up to deano - nothing else needs to be considered.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: mike on May 12, 2019, 10:48:09 PM
I understand there is some flexibility around Ramadan, such as fasting at a more appropriate time if you are ill, travelling etc, but a reasonably devout Muslim will not use those as excuses if not genuine. I think it's also frowned on to sleep all day and eat loads at night. I have worked with Muslim guys who have been absolutely bollocksed by the end of Ramadan when the days are this long. I find it hard to see how they can perform to a high standard on Tuesday. Hutton is an OK replacement for El Mohammedy, but I can't see an obvious replacement for El Ghazi.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: cdbullyweefan on May 12, 2019, 11:52:22 PM
Why replace players that played well just because you have decided that they won't be physically fit despite the evidence to the contrary... such as the fact they both played well?
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: adrenachrome on May 13, 2019, 12:55:14 AM
Why replace players that played well just because you have decided that they won't be physically fit despite the evidence to the contrary... such as the fact they both played well?

I know for a fact that the sports scientists have all manner of gizmos to monitor players' metabolisms and vital signs, and I further know that Dean Smith is ahead of the curve with regards to this one.

Lots of things to worry about if you are inclined to worry, but this is not one them.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: mike on May 13, 2019, 06:43:59 AM
Why replace players that played well just because you have decided that they won't be physically fit despite the evidence to the contrary... such as the fact they both played well?

They were only a few hours into the fast on Saturday.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Clampy on May 13, 2019, 06:47:16 AM
If the player felt he was ok to play then that's fine. He had a decent game though I thought. Obviously it's not ideal preparation but it didn't seem to effect his game too much.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Risso on May 13, 2019, 09:07:12 AM
Why replace players that played well just because you have decided that they won't be physically fit despite the evidence to the contrary... such as the fact they both played well?

The point is that tomorrow is an evening kick off, so it'll be an extra 7Ĺ hours without food or water.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: cdbullyweefan on May 13, 2019, 10:27:09 AM
They can take on food and water at half-time. Presumably they've dealt with this before and don't consider it a problem. Seems a bit odd to decide it is a problem on their behalf, and you leave yourselves open to legal action if you decide to drop players based on their religious beliefs.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Risso on May 13, 2019, 10:42:04 AM
They can take on food and water at half-time. Presumably they've dealt with this before and don't consider it a problem. Seems a bit odd to decide it is a problem on their behalf, and you leave yourselves open to legal action if you decide to drop players based on their religious beliefs.

I'm not deciding it will be a problem, I just hope it won't be in our most important game of the season so far. Anwar has been our most consistent attacking threat of late, and I just hope he isn't negatively affected by not having been able to eat or drink for 16 (or however many hours) before the game.  Hydration for an athlete is so important, it's hard to see how fasting for that long wouldn't have an effect.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Bren'd on May 13, 2019, 10:47:44 AM
Players eat very little on the day of a game. I suggest he has a banquet up till the point he can still eat, plenty of carbs just like marathon runners do the day before a race so the energy is released when required. My only concern is dehydration but he can sort that out at half time.  Besides, we'll have a our nutritionists on the case making sure he's okay.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: cdbullyweefan on May 13, 2019, 10:48:55 AM
I couldn't do it myself, but then again I struggle to get to lunchtime without a snack and I work sitting at a desk...

He presumably feels he will be okay, though, and has likely had to face the same issues in previous seasons. The second half would, presumably, be the half in which players are more fatigued and both AAG and Elmo can eat and drink at half-time to boost their energy.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: TaxDodger on May 13, 2019, 10:50:56 AM
They can take on food and water at half-time. Presumably they've dealt with this before and don't consider it a problem. Seems a bit odd to decide it is a problem on their behalf, and you leave yourselves open to legal action if you decide to drop players based on their religious beliefs.

My girlfriend is currently fasting. The time she can eat/drink goes back by a few minutes each day. It'll be around 8.50 tomorrow I think, so after half time. Apparently you're allowed to eat/drink if you're going on a 'journey', which seems very much open to interpretation. She used this avoid around fasting before a job interview, so a massively important football match might also count. Having said that, she drinks more than I do, so I imagine Anwar is a considerably more devout Muslim!
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 13, 2019, 10:57:09 AM
I imagine, as it was this weekend, it will be a case of the players being asked how they feel prior to the game and making a sensible collective decision. We have players who can come in and do a job. Mind you of the two Iíd be more concerned about replacing Elmo.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Lastfootstamper on May 13, 2019, 10:58:21 AM
8 o'clock kick off, Dodger. They'll still be in the changing room.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: St AustellAVFC on May 13, 2019, 11:20:13 AM
When I was at school all the lads I did PE with weíre allowed sips of water during and after sport. Iím not sure if this was just a school policy as they were young lads.
Anyways, heíll play, heíll score and we will win.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: olaftab on May 13, 2019, 11:30:41 AM
The best example is this case is what happened with Ajax players in the CL semi final  last Wednesday. Ziyech and Mazraoui started the game that kicked off at 8PM but were able to take some nutrition  at 24 minutes into the match. For our guys  and Hegazi it's going to be 8.55 tomorrow. I am assuming that the Ajax staff "managed" their players' wellbeing before and during the match. I have no doubt that Villa back room staff will be just as professional.
This is not a unique situation by any means. There were possibly 13 players  in a similar position during the England v Pakistan one day match on Saturday. During the Cricket World Cup starting in couple of weeks almost every Country taking part will be affected.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: olaftab on May 13, 2019, 11:47:02 AM
They can take on food and water at half-time. Presumably they've dealt with this before and don't consider it a problem. Seems a bit odd to decide it is a problem on their behalf, and you leave yourselves open to legal action if you decide to drop players based on their religious beliefs.
This will not happen. There are lot of do's and don'ts that kick in during Ramadan. It is actually more restrictive mentally than physically. Purpose being to cleanse your self and set good habits for the rest of the year. During fast your personal conduct must be exemplarily. Threatening someone or taking an aggressive stance just because you are fasting invalidates your fast. Instruction there is do not fast if fasting is going to impinge on your chosen way of providing a living for yourself and your family.  There are dispensations and alternatives available to remedy this for individuals.

What's more likely is that it will probably do more harm than good if players were forced not to fast. Remember it's the belief that is supreme here.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Risso on May 13, 2019, 11:49:44 AM
We'll all let him off if he decides to not be that devout for the evening, right?  Playing his part in warding off the forces of evil from Smethwick is surely a godly enough endeavour.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: paul_e on May 13, 2019, 11:50:47 AM
Isn't there something about skipping your fast for work reasons and 'paying it forward' by doing charitable work instead? I know a few people in Bergen who both follow the Mecca timings and do charity work because they feel that they're cheating otherwise.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: olaftab on May 13, 2019, 12:21:21 PM
We'll all let him off if he decides to not be that devout for the evening, right?  Playing his part in warding off the forces of evil from Smethwick is surely a godly enough endeavour.
In the book first verse of Chapter 31 starts with : Fuck the Albion. Need I say more.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Bad English on May 13, 2019, 12:21:38 PM
Apparently you're allowed to eat/drink if you're going on a 'journey', which seems very much open to interpretation
Well, El Ghazi is going on a trip to Sandwell which is the second stop on our journey to the Premier League. My interpretation is therefore: Elmo and Anwar, fill your boots like it is is 05/06/2019!
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: olaftab on May 13, 2019, 12:23:28 PM
Isn't there something about skipping your fast for work reasons and 'paying it forward' by doing charitable work instead? I know a few people in Bergen who both follow the Mecca timings and do charity work because they feel that they're cheating otherwise.
Yes all of that  and more as mentioned previously.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Risso on May 13, 2019, 12:25:30 PM
We'll all let him off if he decides to not be that devout for the evening, right?  Playing his part in warding off the forces of evil from Smethwick is surely a godly enough endeavour.
In the book first verse of Chapter 31 starts with : Fuck the Albion. Need I say more.

Though at as much!

Ramadan Mubarak Aftab!
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: West Derby Villan on May 13, 2019, 08:17:31 PM
We'll all let him off if he decides to not be that devout for the evening, right?  Playing his part in warding off the forces of evil from Smethwick is surely a godly enough endeavour.
In the book first verse of Chapter 31 starts with : Fuck the Albion. Need I say more.

Brilliant !
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: four fornicholl on May 13, 2019, 08:35:30 PM
Do vitamin supplements etc, pills and injections, count?
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: olaftab on May 13, 2019, 08:37:59 PM
Ramadan Mubarak Aftab!
Thank you.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: olaftab on May 13, 2019, 08:40:31 PM
Do vitamin supplements etc, pills and injections, count?
Not allowed unless itís necessary prescribed medicine.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Hookeysmith on May 13, 2019, 08:49:58 PM
Are there any Christian players that do not play on Sundays or Easter weekend?
Any Jewish players that will not play on Fridays?


The way sky fuck about with the fixtures there must be other players effected by their religious beliefs clashing with football.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: purpletrousers on May 13, 2019, 08:59:44 PM
Are there any Christian players that do not play on Sundays or Easter weekend?
Any Jewish players that will not play on Fridays?


The way sky fuck about with the fixtures there must be other players effected by their religious beliefs clashing with football.

Some vague refs here, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_and_association_football
Missing a rather key 1874 foundation if anybody can be bothered to put it right?
Also references Peter Knowles / Bragg song I mentioned a few pages back.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: four fornicholl on May 13, 2019, 09:03:34 PM
I remember Johnathan Edwards refusing to jump once. I think.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Richard E on May 13, 2019, 09:05:13 PM
I remember Johnathan Edwards refusing to jump once. I think.

And then becoming an atheist!
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 13, 2019, 09:20:09 PM
A story most probably don't know.

Quote
FOOTBALLER Simon Burgher could have been exchanging passes with Stan Collymore and Dwight Yorke in the Premiership.

He could be wining and dining in the second city's finest restaurants and driving round in an open top sports car on a mammoth salary.

But the 31-year-old turned his back on a superstar lifestyle at Villa Park to follow God.

The former Exeter City and Bromsgrove Rovers midfielder is a devout Seventh Day Adventist - which means Saturday is his day of rest.

He played for the Vauxhall Conference club for eight years without ever featuring in Saturday matches.

His midweek displays were so impressive that boyhood heroes Villa came knocking on his door wanting him to sign a professional contract.

But as that meant playing at weekends he turned them down flat and he now plies his trade for minnows Rover Sports in the Wolverhampton Sunday League.

And he may even have to quit them if a proposed take-over of Saturday club Wednesfield takes place later this year.

Now a PE and human biology teacher in Small Heath, Burgher spoke of his rejection of the dream move to Ron Atkinson's Villa.

"I am a lifelong Villa fan and it was a hard decision to have to make.

"They came in for me five years ago when I was at Bromsgrove and wanted me to sign professional forms. But that would have meant going against my beliefs and so I said no.

"But it wasn't easy to do. I had to think long and hard about it. I asked God for guidance and hopefully He made the right decision for me."

Burgher, who lives nearby the ground in Aston, does not smoke or drink and never misses church on a Saturday.

He said: "Everyone knows the Sabbath used to be on a Saturday and was changed just for convenience. I can never be paid for playing on that day."

Burgher lines up against former club Lodge Cottrell on May 10 in the final of the Birmingham County Premier Challenge Cup.

Looking ahead to the match Burgher said: "It's going to be a right old ding-dong! They are my mates and have been phoning me all week saying how they are going to chop me down!"
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 13, 2019, 09:23:37 PM
A story most probably don't know.

Quote
FOOTBALLER Simon Burgher could have been exchanging passes with Stan Collymore and Dwight Yorke in the Premiership.

He could be wining and dining in the second city's finest restaurants and driving round in an open top sports car on a mammoth salary.

But the 31-year-old turned his back on a superstar lifestyle at Villa Park to follow God.

The former Exeter City and Bromsgrove Rovers midfielder is a devout Seventh Day Adventist - which means Saturday is his day of rest.

He played for the Vauxhall Conference club for eight years without ever featuring in Saturday matches.

His midweek displays were so impressive that boyhood heroes Villa came knocking on his door wanting him to sign a professional contract.

But as that meant playing at weekends he turned them down flat and he now plies his trade for minnows Rover Sports in the Wolverhampton Sunday League.

And he may even have to quit them if a proposed take-over of Saturday club Wednesfield takes place later this year.

Now a PE and human biology teacher in Small Heath, Burgher spoke of his rejection of the dream move to Ron Atkinson's Villa.

"I am a lifelong Villa fan and it was a hard decision to have to make.

"They came in for me five years ago when I was at Bromsgrove and wanted me to sign professional forms. But that would have meant going against my beliefs and so I said no.

"But it wasn't easy to do. I had to think long and hard about it. I asked God for guidance and hopefully He made the right decision for me."

Burgher, who lives nearby the ground in Aston, does not smoke or drink and never misses church on a Saturday.

He said: "Everyone knows the Sabbath used to be on a Saturday and was changed just for convenience. I can never be paid for playing on that day."

Burgher lines up against former club Lodge Cottrell on May 10 in the final of the Birmingham County Premier Challenge Cup.

Looking ahead to the match Burgher said: "It's going to be a right old ding-dong! They are my mates and have been phoning me all week saying how they are going to chop me down!"

If God had known about the commission that football agents are making these days he might have changed his mind. And his career.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: cdbullyweefan on May 13, 2019, 09:53:55 PM
I always like it when religious types justify their beliefs starting with "everyone knows..."

Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PeterWithe on May 13, 2019, 10:16:29 PM
Didnít a bloke pack up playing in the 80s as playing on Sundayís would go against his religion, seem to mind he played for Walsall or maybe the Tatters.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: cdbullyweefan on May 13, 2019, 10:21:56 PM
It was Peter Knowles of Wolves, I think you're talking about? Retired in 1970. His Wiki page suggests that he was contracted until 1982, though, does that mean he was getting paid all that time?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Knowles
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Richard E on May 13, 2019, 10:24:25 PM
When we signed John Fashanu my reaction was Ďoh God.í
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: purpletrousers on May 14, 2019, 02:18:14 AM
Didnít a bloke pack up playing in the 80s as playing on Sundayís would go against his religion, seem to mind he played for Walsall or maybe the Tatters.
It was Peter Knowles of Wolves, I think you're talking about? Retired in 1970. His Wiki page suggests that he was contracted until 1982, though, does that mean he was getting paid all that time?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Knowles


God's Footballer - Song by Billy Bragg https://youtu.be/-EfYlwlpz2U (https://youtu.be/-EfYlwlpz2U)


God's footballer hears the voices of angels
Above the choir at molineux
God's footballer stands on the doorstep
And brings the good news of the kingdom to come
While the crowd sings 'rock of ages'
The goals bring weekly wages
Yet the glory of the sports pages
Is but the worship of false idols and tempts him not

God's footballer turns on a sixpence
And brings the great crowd to their feet in praise of him
God's footballer quotes from the gospels
While knocking on doors in black country back streets
He scores goals on a Saturday
And saves souls on a Sunday
For the lord says these are the last days
Prepare thyself for the judgment yet to come

His career will be over soon
And the rituals of a Saturday afternoon
Bid him a reluctant farewell
For he knows beyond the sport lies the spiritual
Songwriters: Billy Bragg
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Risso on May 14, 2019, 08:55:21 AM

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Knowles


God's Footballer - Song by Billy Bragg https://youtu.be/-EfYlwlpz2U (https://youtu.be/-EfYlwlpz2U)


God's footballer hears the voices of angels
Above the choir at molineux

[/quote]

Aaaaand I'm out!
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 14, 2019, 07:42:52 PM
Was it Carlos Roa who was a 7th Day Adventist or something and retired because he believed the world would end in the year 2000, and then he had to come back and fulfil his contract when it didnít?
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: cdbullyweefan on May 15, 2019, 12:47:51 AM
Yep.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Roa
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 27, 2019, 05:00:38 PM
Sign the man up.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Newby on May 27, 2019, 05:10:07 PM
John Carew and the future King of the Commonwealth say:  sign this man, make it so!!
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: LukeJames on May 27, 2019, 05:13:36 PM
They kept Jack and McGinn wuietvtova point, this man steopedv up big time!
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 27, 2019, 05:55:10 PM
They kept Jack and McGinn wuietvtova point, this man steopedv up big time!

yes. whatever you just said, I agree with Luke :)
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: phantom limb on May 27, 2019, 06:30:24 PM
Get him in as well
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: claret+blue ed on May 27, 2019, 06:42:25 PM
Motm for me today, well played Anwar
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 27, 2019, 07:05:16 PM
Yeah yeah sign him up, I GOT IT WRONG. How nice it is to be proven wrong about a player who actually contributes to our success as opposed to all the signings we've made in the past decade I thought would be good and turned out to be a waste of time.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Tayls_7 on May 27, 2019, 07:14:13 PM
Motm for me today, well played Anwar

Ditto.  Dangerous all game.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Villafirst on May 27, 2019, 07:52:38 PM
I believe we have an option to sign Anwar? He loves the club anyway!
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Smirker on May 27, 2019, 07:58:40 PM
I think there is a quality player there. Honestly feel like he's been hit and miss during his time with us but he was good today and I'd be happy to sign him permanently if the deal is good.

Well done to him today.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 27, 2019, 08:01:25 PM
Nice touch from him with the Nouri t-shirt.

https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1133083654085840896
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 27, 2019, 08:07:15 PM
I think there is a quality player there. Honestly feel like he's been hit and miss during his time with us but he was good today and I'd be happy to sign him permanently if the deal is good.

Well done to him today.

I think heís a big talent, key in our good run.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: purpletrousers on May 27, 2019, 09:55:12 PM
Nice touch from him with the Nouri t-shirt.

https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1133083654085840896

Wondered about that shirt, just looked him up, had forgotten the story  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdelhak_Nouri
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Risso on May 27, 2019, 09:56:16 PM
Great today, one of our best players like he has been for the last few weeks.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: maidstonevillain on May 27, 2019, 10:44:56 PM
Was my MOTM as well. Been our most consistent player in the good run.  Get the feeling there is plenty of untapped potential.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: NeilH on May 27, 2019, 11:01:05 PM
Nice touch from him with the Nouri t-shirt.

https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1133083654085840896

Wondered about that shirt, just looked him up, had forgotten the story  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdelhak_Nouri

Three years ago I took my eldest to a Jong Ajax game at the Ajax youth ground, both Anwar and Nouri were playing in it, Anwar was the stand out player that evening and I said to my lad that at the time that i would love to see him in claret and blue. So happy to see him score today and I hope that we get his contract sorted as soon as possible.
The fact that he played tribute to Nouri reflects the kind of bloke he is. Sign him up.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Matt Collins on May 28, 2019, 06:07:06 AM
We've got to sign him especially at the reported price
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 28, 2019, 08:06:55 AM
A player who is improving, it looks like he is being coached and encouraged.
I think there is more to come as he has talent.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: nigel on May 28, 2019, 08:25:10 AM
Seems to be flourishing under Dean. Our best player over the play offs
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: mr underhill on May 28, 2019, 08:37:05 AM
He and Mings I think. A definite keep alongside letting Albert And Andre go and then finding someone to replace them.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: AsTallAsLions on May 28, 2019, 09:12:45 AM
I would have been skeptical about spending money on this lad before his performances in the play-offs but when you consider how he stood out, bearing in mind also that he was fasting for Ramadan, it really does show the quality he has. I'd be happy to see us trigger whatever fee we agreed when he took him on loan, if it's around the £5m mark as reported then we'd be stupid not to.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: darren woolley on May 28, 2019, 10:36:11 AM
We must sign him up was brilliant yesterday but he's been a revelation under Dean Smith.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Risso on May 28, 2019, 10:55:37 AM
I would have been skeptical about spending money on this lad before his performances in the play-offs but when you consider how he stood out, bearing in mind also that he was fasting for Ramadan, it really does show the quality he has. I'd be happy to see us trigger whatever fee we agreed when he took him on loan, if it's around the £5m mark as reported then we'd be stupid not to.

El Ghazi broke the fasting rule for the final:

"After those semi-final matches, I thought: I have to be professional and not fast during the final, because then I have to be on top," said El Ghazi in conversation with the club channel of Aston Villa. "Of course it is part of my faith, but sometimes you have to make other decisions. I have discussed this extensively with my family and I hope that God will forgive me."

40,000 fans in the stadium forgive you fella!  He was absolutely immense yesterday I thought, and my vote for MOTM.  That can't have been an easy decision for him, and I hope we sign him up for next season.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Axl Rose on May 28, 2019, 11:08:27 AM
I would have been skeptical about spending money on this lad before his performances in the play-offs but when you consider how he stood out, bearing in mind also that he was fasting for Ramadan, it really does show the quality he has. I'd be happy to see us trigger whatever fee we agreed when he took him on loan, if it's around the £5m mark as reported then we'd be stupid not to.

El Ghazi broke the fasting rule for the final:

"After those semi-final matches, I thought: I have to be professional and not fast during the final, because then I have to be on top," said El Ghazi in conversation with the club channel of Aston Villa. "Of course it is part of my faith, but sometimes you have to make other decisions. I have discussed this extensively with my family and I hope that God will forgive me."

40,000 fans in the stadium forgive you fella!  He was absolutely immense yesterday I thought, and my vote for MOTM.  That can't have been an easy decision for him, and I hope we sign him up for next season.

What a legend! Love Anwar, and his tribute to Nouri, also.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: LukeJames on May 28, 2019, 11:30:29 AM
They kept Jack and McGinn wuietvtova point, this man steopedv up big time!

yes. whatever you just said, I agree with Luke :)
Oh wow.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: kieron on June 06, 2019, 11:14:20 AM
Being reported that we've triggered the option to sign Anwar.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 06, 2019, 11:15:59 AM
Around £8m
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Risso on June 06, 2019, 11:19:07 AM
Good news.  He really came into his own at the back end of last season, and can only get better.  Needs to start adding more goals to his game, he's got the talent.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: kieron on June 06, 2019, 11:19:34 AM
I do like this 'we're not fucking about whatsoever and just getting shit done nice and early' version of Aston Villa Football Club.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 06, 2019, 11:20:47 AM
Being reported that we've triggered the option to sign Anwar.

Shit me, we're not fucking around in this window are we. Very pleased if true, £8m is very little these days for a player of his age with definite potential. He grew on me over those last couple of months, and he obviously loves playing for us which is important as well.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: manic-road on June 06, 2019, 11:24:35 AM
Being reported that we've triggered the option to sign Anwar.

Shit me, we're not fucking around in this window are we. Very pleased if true, £8m is very little these days for a player of his age with definite potential. He grew on me over those last couple of months, and he obviously loves playing for us which is important as well.

Seen quotes for 9 million Euros agreed, in todays market that's a steal if true, it seemed to me that the longer Dean worked with him the better he got.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on June 06, 2019, 11:33:34 AM


I'm really happy we're going to try and keep him, even if i think he's still very hit and miss. The PL is a big step up also obviously
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Duncan Shaw on June 06, 2019, 11:38:43 AM
I thought it was reported when we signed him on loan the trigger was about £4-5m......still, all good news!
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Drummond on June 06, 2019, 11:45:07 AM
I thought it was reported when we signed him on loan the trigger was about £4-5m......still, all good news!

Probably that if we'd stayed down.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: sid1964 on June 06, 2019, 12:23:58 PM
I think in the premier league he will have to more to his game than knock the ball behind the defender and chase after it

Good signing though and for me adds to the squad, not sure if he is a starter every week.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Ad@m on June 06, 2019, 12:27:37 PM
I tell you what, this "soft embargo" is really affecting us!!!!
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: SheffieldVillain on June 06, 2019, 12:29:09 PM
I think in the premier league he will have to more to his game than knock the ball behind the defender and chase after it

Good signing though and for me adds to the squad, not sure if he is a starter every week.

If we manage to sign two more wingers who are better than or as good as El Ghazi, we really will have done some great business this summer.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: chrisw1 on June 06, 2019, 01:05:21 PM
I like him but £8m sounds toppish to me.  I thought he was a free agent this summer and expected out option to be less than that.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Monty on June 06, 2019, 01:29:42 PM
I think we've got to get used to this kind of fee - this is where the Premier League has got to in our absence, and 8 million in this environment really is towards the cheap end.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: passitsideways on June 06, 2019, 01:33:38 PM
Is it possible that the amount of the fee depended on whether promotion was achieved or not?
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 06, 2019, 01:47:50 PM
I said the other day on the conversation about writing off Richards and McCormack that average players in the PL cost £25-30m. Itís not the league we left behind 3 years ago. Getting Hause, AEG and Mings for under £30m will be excellent business.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: UK Redsox on June 06, 2019, 02:14:53 PM
Gruaniad seem pretty sure that this is happening for £8m

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/jun/06/aston-villa-sign-anwar-el-ghazi-lille-loan
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 06, 2019, 04:40:08 PM
I like him but £8m sounds toppish to me.  I thought he was a free agent this summer and expected out option to be less than that.


We seem to have a collective mental block when it comes to transfer fees. The club took over a decade to top paying half a million for Peter Withe, and even O'Neill never splurged any breathtaking wedge on a marquee signing, preferring to pay slightly over the odds for lots of not that good players.

If the market dictates that we have to pay £8m to secure players of his potential, then so be it. If we get all Doug about this, we'll be back down pronto.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 06, 2019, 04:42:34 PM
£8 million is peanuts. Get him signed and move onto the next target.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: alanclare on June 06, 2019, 04:44:49 PM
Guardian reports Villa have triggered the option to buy, thought to be for £8m.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Matt C on June 06, 2019, 05:12:26 PM
In relative, current market terms thatís (ridiculously) pretty reasonable.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: VillaAlways on June 06, 2019, 05:16:44 PM
£8 million is a bargain
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Pete3206 on June 06, 2019, 06:00:32 PM
£8m? Sold

Next.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 06, 2019, 06:25:41 PM
Excellent, get it done.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: themossman on June 06, 2019, 06:50:55 PM
24 year old Dutch international who was just our MVP in the playoffs. A snip at £8m
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 06, 2019, 06:52:29 PM
24 year old Dutch international who was just our MVP in the playoffs. A snip at £8m
He is but hasn't played for them for 4 years.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: themossman on June 06, 2019, 07:09:05 PM
For the purposes of me making my point it still counts!

Whatís England international Seth Johnson up to these days?
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: mike on June 06, 2019, 07:56:03 PM
That's nearly three times what we paid for SJM... to be fair that is everything to us getting him at an absolute bargain price.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: TaxDodger on June 06, 2019, 07:58:13 PM
For the purposes of me making my point it still counts!

Whatís England international Seth Johnson up to these days?

Seth Johnson is a Villa fan and therefore fully worthy of being an international.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: themossman on June 06, 2019, 08:02:56 PM
That's nearly three times what we paid for SJM... to be fair that is everything to us getting him at an absolute bargain price.

Mad. SJM must be right up there in our best ever value for money signings. If you factor in his key role in getting us back into the PL the return on investment is staggering.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: mike on June 06, 2019, 09:11:00 PM
That's nearly three times what we paid for SJM... to be fair that is everything to us getting him at an absolute bargain price.

Mad. SJM must be right up there in our best ever value for money signings. If you factor in his key role in getting us back into the PL the return on investment is staggering.

Absolutely agree. I wake up in the night sweating after a dream where Celtic had an ounce of common sense..
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Dazvillain on June 06, 2019, 10:04:27 PM
As he and Hause were loans sanctioned by EFL I thought they had to sign before today as now weíre officially a premier league club ?
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: maidstonevillain on June 06, 2019, 11:06:06 PM
That's nearly three times what we paid for SJM... to be fair that is everything to us getting him at an absolute bargain price.

Mad. SJM must be right up there in our best ever value for money signings. If you factor in his key role in getting us back into the PL the return on investment is staggering.

And for which we have Steve Bruce to thank.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: john e on June 07, 2019, 09:38:00 AM
That's nearly three times what we paid for SJM... to be fair that is everything to us getting him at an absolute bargain price.

Mad. SJM must be right up there in our best ever value for money signings. If you factor in his key role in getting us back into the PL the return on investment is staggering.

And for which we have Steve Bruce to thank.

and El Ghazi

Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 08, 2019, 06:02:58 PM
The jury is still out for me with El Ghazi. He was more El Khazi for most of the time he was with us but did finish the season well. Can't complain about £8m though, even if he does spend most of next season coming of the bench.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Matt C on June 08, 2019, 06:15:03 PM
Signed for Ä9m according to the Twittersphere
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 08, 2019, 06:15:30 PM
He has pace and he has confidence to go at full backs. Heís a player that the opponents have to account for be it on the wing or as we saw in the final getting inside. Heís a young player with a great attitude and loads of potential. Like Jack he needs to start adding more goals and assist to his game. But for £8m it is a super deal.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Jon Crofts on June 08, 2019, 06:21:05 PM
4 year deal apparently.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Ads on June 08, 2019, 06:34:02 PM
£8m is a steal. I think he's got huge potential.

I love when he's direct and uses his blistering pace to drive past the opposition. He'll only get better and is a good age.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: themossman on June 08, 2019, 06:52:41 PM
Bruce did pretty well on individual signings tbh, including the 17/18 loans. His issues were squad balance, terrible in game tactics and players out of position.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Matt C on June 08, 2019, 07:13:11 PM
That and buying players first, figuring out where and in what system they play second. Then disregarding them when it didnít work.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Nelly on June 08, 2019, 07:22:04 PM
Really good signing! Great news.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 08, 2019, 07:23:06 PM
Bruce did pretty well on individual signings tbh, including the 17/18 loans. His issues were squad balance, terrible in game tactics and players out of position.
Hogan.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 08, 2019, 07:39:05 PM
£8m is a steal. I think he's got huge potential.

I love when he's direct and uses his blistering pace to drive past the opposition. He'll only get better and is a good age.

Agree completely.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: KRS on June 08, 2019, 10:42:50 PM
£8m is a steal. I think he's got huge potential.

I love when he's direct and uses his blistering pace to drive past the opposition. He'll only get better and is a good age.

Agree completely.
Very glad weíre in for El Ghazi but the key word here is potential...weíve seen it in glimpses, but at 24 he needs to be more consistent and up his game in the Premier League. A great opportunity for him so hope he grabs and makes the most of it.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on June 08, 2019, 10:47:58 PM
I honestly think the likes of him, Grealish and McGinn will be better in the PL with more time on the ball.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Pete3206 on June 09, 2019, 03:13:32 PM
Looks good on You Tube anyway. Get the deal done:

Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 09, 2019, 03:19:56 PM
Thatís a great video. Heís got great footwork and pace. Only going to get better.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 09, 2019, 03:59:52 PM
Let's hope so. The encouraging thing is he did improve during the season. If he can continue his development, he'll be one hell of a player.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: supertom on June 09, 2019, 06:27:34 PM
I like him. You need a defensive full back behind him (or we'll need an athletic DM who covers ground effectively) but he'll do well in the Prem I think. I see him getting even better. He's the kind of player who could pull something out the bag in tight games. We'll have shite games where you're just waiting for someone to do something a bit risky and just pull something from nothing. Could be as key for us as Grealish.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: olaftab on June 09, 2019, 06:35:07 PM
Let's hope so. The encouraging thing is he did improve during the season. If he can continue his development, he'll be one hell of a player.
Without him we wouldn't have made it through the play offs.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: wittonwarrior on June 09, 2019, 07:09:19 PM
Got to say when I first saw him at home against Sheff  Wed I thought another journeyman but he has surprised and he now works and plays like a  left winger. - Cant head mind bar the play off goal.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: berneboy on June 09, 2019, 07:54:43 PM
Got to say when I first saw him at home against Sheff  Wed I thought another journeyman but he has surprised and he now works and plays like a  left winger. - Cant head mind bar the play off goal.
He didn't head that!
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: kieron on June 10, 2019, 09:54:42 AM
https://twitter.com/AElGhazi7/status/1138005432579121152

"@AVFCOfficial announce me? 🤷‍♂️"


Looks like its definitely done!
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: chrisw1 on June 10, 2019, 10:02:04 AM
Ecellent.  Welcome back Anwar.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: kieron on June 10, 2019, 10:07:20 AM
https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1138009252319191042

"Heís back! 👊

Weíre delighted to confirm @AElGhazi7 has signed on a permanent deal.

http://bit.ly/2EVmSMv

#AVFC https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1138009252319191042/photo/1"




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Aston Villa is delighted to announce that Anwar El Ghazi has joined the club on a four-year deal.

The Dutch international enjoyed a highly impressive loan spell at Villa Park last season after signing from French outfit Lille.

And the 24-year-old, who scored at Wembley in the play-off final, will now have the opportunity to showcase his talents in the Premier League after moving for an undisclosed fee.

El Ghazi was recently regarded as one of the hottest prospects in European football after coming through the ranks at the world-renowned Ajax academy and was a major success story in last termís successful promotion push with six goals in 37 appearances.

Head Coach, Dean Smith, said: ďAnwar proved to everybody at Wembley how good a player he can be for Aston Villa.

ďHeís ready for the step up to the Premier League and heís a young player who has an awful lot of potential. Itís now my job and the job of the coaching staff and Anwar himself to fulfil the potential that he undoubtedly has.

ďHeíll be a great addition to the squad for next season.Ē
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Villan For Life on June 10, 2019, 10:21:56 AM
Marvellous news. Welcome back Anwar.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Risso on June 10, 2019, 10:25:24 AM
Great news.  He really showed how good he can be towards the end of the season, and importantly, he also showed good attitude to come back from a less than stellar start.  I like him a lot.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: AsTallAsLions on June 10, 2019, 10:25:59 AM
Good signing. Welcome back Anwar - onwards and upwards!

Side note - love that he tweeted 'announce me?' at the official twitter account haha. Proper order lad. Clearly wants to be here which is a good start.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Duncan Shaw on June 10, 2019, 10:29:08 AM
I wonder if we were waiting to announce more than him at the same time, but he has forced the announcement with his tweet!!  Good news though.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: maidstonevillain on June 10, 2019, 10:37:44 AM
That makes me happy.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: fbriai on June 10, 2019, 10:43:41 AM
Great news.  He really showed how good he can be towards the end of the season, and importantly, he also showed good attitude to come back from a less than stellar start.  I like him a lot.

Agree with all of this. Great stuff!
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: KRS on June 10, 2019, 10:44:24 AM
Excellent Monday morning news! :)
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: rob_bridge on June 10, 2019, 11:18:59 AM
Good news - still lots of room for improvement but a big step in the right direction
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: UK Redsox on June 10, 2019, 11:19:51 AM
From an underwhelming championship loan signing to a key permanent premier league addition in a few months.

AEG's season was real grower
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 10, 2019, 11:23:39 AM
Happy with this. Welcome back AEG.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on June 10, 2019, 11:35:34 AM
Welcome back! Onwards and upwards...
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 10, 2019, 11:37:07 AM
I don't know how he'll get on in the Premier League but he deserves his chance.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 10, 2019, 11:47:58 AM
He kept on getting better and better, long may it continue. Fantastic uplifting news, despite being expected.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Bren'd on June 10, 2019, 11:58:07 AM
Good work. Very happy with this.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: bjfoster on June 10, 2019, 12:21:25 PM
Great news.  He really showed how good he can be towards the end of the season, and importantly, he also showed good attitude to come back from a less than stellar start.  I like him a lot.

Agreed. If you told me after his sub performance at Norwich he'd be scoring the opener in the Play-off Final i would have laughed in your face.

Always seems to want the ball now and drives at people. Even gave it the big one to Villa fans with about 15 to go in the final to get us going.

Probably needs to be stronger at certain points but that was more when he was getting roughed up at West Brom away.

Top lad, welcome back.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: not3bad on June 10, 2019, 12:33:22 PM
Welcome back Anwar!
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Three Spires Villa on June 10, 2019, 12:49:42 PM
Yes welcome back. He got better and better hope that continues
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: spartacuss on June 10, 2019, 01:04:59 PM
Thought when he first came he was a slightly petulant, Ronaldo-wannabe show-pony. The difference must be Dean Smith's pushing his skill level and enhancing his team spirit/effort.  Although Bruce brought him in, it seemed to be (as with some other loans) that Bruce just told him to get on with filling a gap - or thereabouts.

Now, though, he's been transformed for me. His determination (with an element of self-sacrifice) to give the maximum in the semis and the final to get us through was McGinnesque and certainly Jack was keen to reference him for his over and above performance.  Renewed welcome Anwar!
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Newby on June 10, 2019, 01:05:42 PM
Seems a top guy. Great stuff, more please
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: darren woolley on June 10, 2019, 01:08:27 PM
Welcome Back Anwar.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Axl Rose on June 10, 2019, 01:14:16 PM
Great stuff. Welcome Anwar!
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: mallo on June 10, 2019, 01:20:37 PM
Happy with this - welcome!
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: rob_bridge on June 10, 2019, 01:37:12 PM
What about Borlaise as back up?
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Villa Lew on June 10, 2019, 02:09:46 PM
Good news, am confident he'll turn out to be a good permanent signing.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on June 10, 2019, 02:32:23 PM
Welcome back Anwar, to the best club you will ever play for!
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 10, 2019, 03:35:02 PM
welcome back Anwar

our own brummie Ronaldo . . .   lots of potential
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 10, 2019, 03:48:24 PM
Good stuff. Very important we keep together key players from last season that understand what we're about. Dean Smith's words on once again, spot on. I'm sure as a big fan of Ronaldo, Anwar realises how hard he works at his game. Continue as he ended last season and we just might have a real player on our books.

Welcome back, Anwar. You've earned the opportunity.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Matt C on June 10, 2019, 03:57:23 PM
As others have said, got progressively better as the season wore on (with better coaches around him) and went from a bit of a question mark to an essential signing. Excellent news.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: manic-road on June 10, 2019, 05:14:17 PM
Happy with Anwar signing, cheap at that price. When he first started in the first tea I was calling him El Khazi as he was toilet, but after being coached by DS e has got better and better.
Looking forward to hopefully see him progress further next season.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: LowerNorthStand on June 10, 2019, 05:43:11 PM
Good to have the lad on board
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 10, 2019, 06:17:26 PM
Great stuff.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: cheltenhamlion on June 10, 2019, 06:33:49 PM
Good signing and a snip at £8m in the bonkers world of modern football.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 10, 2019, 07:51:36 PM
Happy with Anwar signing, cheap at that price. When he first started in the first tea I was calling him El Khazi as he was toilet, but after being coached by DS e has got better and better.
Looking forward to hopefully see him progress further next season.

It was probably that that spurred him on.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: LukeJames on June 11, 2019, 12:34:29 PM
We've paid Ä5m according to L'Equipe today, bargain.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Bad English on June 11, 2019, 01:49:13 PM
We've paid Ä5m according to L'Equipe today, bargain.
I was looking at the replies to the LOSC Pravda announcement (https://twitter.com/losclive/status/1138009824984293376?s=19) on Twitter. Virtually every tweet is positive, wishing Anwar luck, saying "Once a 'dogue' always a 'dogue", and expressing regrets that he was moving on. The only criticism I did see was one bloke who said that he lacked 'explosivitť' for a winger but hoped he would develop his game in England.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Risso on June 11, 2019, 02:22:30 PM
I love Anwar, for the following reasons:
1) Didn't sulk when he got dropped, but worked hard and took his chance when he got it.
2) Scoring at Wembley.
3) Not thinking he was the dog's bollocks and looking for a move elsewhere.
4) Putting aside his strongly held religious beliefs for the good of the club during Ramadan.
5) Impatiently urging the official AVFC social media sites to announce his signing yesterday.

A top, top chap indeed.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: paul_e on June 11, 2019, 02:41:48 PM
I love Anwar, for the following reasons:
1) Didn't sulk when he got dropped, but worked hard and took his chance when he got it.
2) Scoring at Wembley.
3) Not thinking he was the dog's bollocks and looking for a move elsewhere.
4) Putting aside his strongly held religious beliefs for the good of the club during Ramadan.
5) Impatiently urging the official AVFC social media sites to announce his signing yesterday.

A top, top chap indeed.


Number 1 is the key for me but I'd expand on it. He clearly has plenty of natural talent, that was obvious from the very beginning but what wasn't quite there was the work rate and consistency that you need over a long season. By the end of the season he'd added that, working much harder off the ball (and having a decent understanding of when to track back and when to hold his position) and that extra effort seeing him get more of the ball in better areas. From August to May I'd say he's the most improved player in the squad.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: cheltenhamlion on June 11, 2019, 05:59:20 PM
I love Anwar, for the following reasons:
1) Didn't sulk when he got dropped, but worked hard and took his chance when he got it.
2) Scoring at Wembley.
3) Not thinking he was the dog's bollocks and looking for a move elsewhere.
4) Putting aside his strongly held religious beliefs for the good of the club during Ramadan.
5) Impatiently urging the official AVFC social media sites to announce his signing yesterday.

A top, top chap indeed.


Number 1 is the key for me but I'd expand on it. He clearly has plenty of natural talent, that was obvious from the very beginning but what wasn't quite there was the work rate and consistency that you need over a long season. By the end of the season he'd added that, working much harder off the ball (and having a decent understanding of when to track back and when to hold his position) and that extra effort seeing him get more of the ball in better areas. From August to May I'd say he's the most improved player in the squad.

Yep
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: themossman on June 12, 2019, 08:15:26 PM
Is the Ä5m confirmed? Where did the £8m come from? Either way itís good business but if itís the former thatís mental.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Risso on June 12, 2019, 08:18:46 PM
I love Anwar, for the following reasons:
1) Didn't sulk when he got dropped, but worked hard and took his chance when he got it.
2) Scoring at Wembley.
3) Not thinking he was the dog's bollocks and looking for a move elsewhere.
4) Putting aside his strongly held religious beliefs for the good of the club during Ramadan.
5) Impatiently urging the official AVFC social media sites to announce his signing yesterday.

A top, top chap indeed.


Number 1 is the key for me but I'd expand on it. He clearly has plenty of natural talent, that was obvious from the very beginning but what wasn't quite there was the work rate and consistency that you need over a long season. By the end of the season he'd added that, working much harder off the ball (and having a decent understanding of when to track back and when to hold his position) and that extra effort seeing him get more of the ball in better areas. From August to May I'd say he's the most improved player in the squad.

He was also, let's not forget, playing in front of Neil Taylor, so the attacking intent on that side was entirely down to him.  On the right side, you had Elmo overlapping whenever he could, which made life easier for Albert and Green, neither of whom looked anywhere near as good as Anwar.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: paul_e on June 12, 2019, 08:25:46 PM
He was also, let's not forget, playing in front of Neil Taylor, so the attacking intent on that side was entirely down to him.  On the right side, you had Elmo overlapping whenever he could, which made life easier for Albert and Green, neither of whom looked anywhere near as good as Anwar.

Absolutely, he did get a lot of support from Grealish drifting left though.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: tomd2103 on June 12, 2019, 08:28:27 PM
I love Anwar, for the following reasons:
1) Didn't sulk when he got dropped, but worked hard and took his chance when he got it.
2) Scoring at Wembley.
3) Not thinking he was the dog's bollocks and looking for a move elsewhere.
4) Putting aside his strongly held religious beliefs for the good of the club during Ramadan.
5) Impatiently urging the official AVFC social media sites to announce his signing yesterday.

A top, top chap indeed.


Number 1 is the key for me but I'd expand on it. He clearly has plenty of natural talent, that was obvious from the very beginning but what wasn't quite there was the work rate and consistency that you need over a long season. By the end of the season he'd added that, working much harder off the ball (and having a decent understanding of when to track back and when to hold his position) and that extra effort seeing him get more of the ball in better areas. From August to May I'd say he's the most improved player in the squad.

He was also, let's not forget, playing in front of Neil Taylor, so the attacking intent on that side was entirely down to him.  On the right side, you had Elmo overlapping whenever he could, which made life easier for Albert and Green, neither of whom looked anywhere near as good as Anwar.

Good point Risso.  Think he would look a lot more effective with a an attacking minded left back playing with him.  Would mean that when he cut in, there would be an option outside him and would probably give him a bit more space.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 12, 2019, 09:05:26 PM
You put a proper attacking full back in with AEG he will become twice as lethal. You can see defences doubling up on him because they knew Taylor was useless. And even through that he looked great albeit at Championship level. It wonít be so easy in the PL so he will need help.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: jwarry on June 13, 2019, 11:28:58 AM
A few reports that Everton tried to hijack our deal at the last minute
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Hookeysmith on June 13, 2019, 01:46:54 PM
Also on a couple of times in games, especially at Wembley in the final few minutes, he beckoned to the crowd to lift the team and we did.

He is a credit to himself for all the points raised by Risso - the cynic in me hopes he continues his development now he has the move as I feel he could be even better.

I also like that with him and Conor in the team we have the ability to score a goal out of nothing from a deadball - that could be crucial in tighter games we will experience in the premiership. A free kick could just be the difference in winning games
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: itbrvilla on July 31, 2019, 03:57:18 PM
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: nigel on July 31, 2019, 05:28:57 PM
You put a proper attacking full back in with AEG he will become twice as lethal. You can see defences doubling up on him because they knew Taylor was useless. And even through that he looked great albeit at Championship level. It wonít be so easy in the PL so he will need help.

You could argue that Taylor took the pressure off Anwar's defensive duties allowing him to concentrate on his attacking side.
Let's not forget Neil Taylor played pretty well himself in the final few league games and the play offs.

AEG is a talent and could be a star in the Prem.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 31, 2019, 06:16:46 PM
Love the belief on here but the jury's still out for me. If he is the player we all hope him to be, he's only scratching the surface of his talent. There's very little end product with his play, exciting though it can be with the ball at his feet. For much of last season I had him down as a show pony but the way he finished the season I really hope he can kick on.

His attitude is spot on, technically he has skill, pace and ability to get forward. It's what he does thereafter that needs to be worked on. Cutting in and shooting from outside the box to win a corner won't be enough. The fact he's surrounded by quality players will hopefully help drive him on as whoever plays wide left is going to be a very important player in the team.

Good luck to the lad, he deserves his chance.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: nigel on July 31, 2019, 07:04:55 PM
Love the belief on here but the jury's still out for me. If he is the player we all hope him to be, he's only scratching the surface of his talent. There's very little end product with his play, exciting though it can be with the ball at his feet. For much of last season I had him down as a show pony but the way he finished the season I really hope he can kick on.

His attitude is spot on, technically he has skill, pace and ability to get forward. It's what he does thereafter that needs to be worked on. Cutting in and shooting from outside the box to win a corner won't be enough. The fact he's surrounded by quality players will hopefully help drive him on as whoever plays wide left is going to be a very important player in the team.

Good luck to the lad, he deserves his chance.

Can't really argue with you on that.
As you also say, though, he finished the season on a high, no coincidence that we were playing better football with Dean Smith, and now he'll be surrounded with quality which should push him to the next level.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: wittonwarrior on July 31, 2019, 07:25:23 PM
On his day could be one of the better wide players in the premiership, his game has obviously flaws canít head as a rule and needs a supporting player   Still think he could be a player we will continue talk about come May
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Pete3206 on July 31, 2019, 07:29:38 PM
None of that El Khazi bollocks this season I hope
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: itbrvilla on August 23, 2019, 11:25:43 PM
Had some stick from.the first two games and deservedly so. Came on for a cameo and worked hard and tracked back well. Nice to see him on the score sheet too. Hopefully like Wesley he can grow from this as there is clearly a very good player here.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 23, 2019, 11:59:42 PM
He did work hard. Maybe the penny has dropped. Delighted for him with the goal, he did the right thing taking it off Jack's foot. Momentum was on his side and it was a tidy finish.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Newby on August 24, 2019, 12:13:52 AM
He did work hard. Maybe the penny has dropped. Delighted for him with the goal, he did the right thing taking it off Jack's foot. Momentum was on his side and it was a tidy finish.

He looked up before slotting past England's number two as well for a neat finish.  Nice kick up the arse distributed by Dean Smith there. I hope AEG kicks on from this, I agree, a good player in there somewhere.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Luffbralion on August 26, 2019, 09:20:05 PM
Look at his fantastic run for the goal; full of energy and purpose. Looked like he was determined to get on the score sheet. Well done, Anwar
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Dogtanian on August 26, 2019, 09:35:56 PM
Also had a powerful shot saved.  I think this is the power of strength in depth - he lost his starting place on Friday to Jota who takes his chance and plays well and gets an assist, so when El Ghazi comes on he shows what heís capable of and gets a goal, sending a message to the departing Jota that he needs to keep performing too.

Beautiful symmetry.   8)
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: KRS on August 26, 2019, 10:27:57 PM
Definitely keeps the players on their toes. AEG came on fired up and made an impact, so heís made his claim for a starting spot and that could be at the expense of Trez rather than Jota.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 26, 2019, 10:31:38 PM
I like AEG. Donít forget heís a young lad too taking a big step up from the Championship. His attitude has been great and it shows whether it is him or Trez or Jota coming off the bench they can all do a job. And hopefully in time that will go for Marvelous or even the likes of Lansbury or Davis or Konsa etc when called upon. Everyone has an important role to play.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Dogtanian on August 26, 2019, 10:38:51 PM
Yeah, heís a good lad and I love that he showed how much the play-off final and promotion meant to him, even though he was only on loan, and that he really wanted to stay with us.

When I think of how many players weíve bought over the years just looking for a payday or not giving a shit, itís refreshing.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Bren'd on August 27, 2019, 09:16:20 AM
He showed great confidence and drive for the 2nd goal.  The ball was on it's way to Jack but he thought, " I'm a goalscorer, I'll take over"  I'm glad he did. 

He gives the team a different dimension when he comes on the pitch with his energy.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Risso on August 27, 2019, 09:23:55 AM
Yeah, heís a good lad and I love that he showed how much the play-off final and promotion meant to him, even though he was only on loan, and that he really wanted to stay with us.

When I think of how many players weíve bought over the years just looking for a payday or not giving a shit, itís refreshing.

There's also the fact that he realised Ramadan was having a negative effect on his fitness, so he put his team mates and club first, over his religious beliefs.  I imagine for a muslim that's quote a big thing to do.

He was disappointing the first two games, but as the team as a whole finds its feet, hopefully he will too.  Loved his confidence on Friday night, as most people would just have tried to walk the ball into the corner.
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Post by: in exile on September 28, 2019, 05:09:03 PM
Nothing but a drama queen
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Post by: CT on September 28, 2019, 05:22:03 PM
Nothing but a drama queen

Agreed, but compared to Trez, he's as tough as Shaun Teale.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 28, 2019, 05:27:00 PM
Ronaldo he ain't. The only thing they share in common are the eyebrows. He's no winger, either. He manages to do one thing well in a game and then disappears. If he really does have to play, I'd prefer to see him playing more inside. Took his goal very well today. Maybe something to build on?
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Post by: Dogtanian on September 28, 2019, 08:42:51 PM
Two goals and an assist in five and a bit Premier League games isnít a bad start.  If he kept that rate up over a season then that would be an involvement in 19 league goals.
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Post by: darren woolley on September 30, 2019, 03:17:41 PM
Two goals and an assist in five and a bit Premier League games isnít a bad start.  If he kept that rate up over a season then that would be an involvement in 19 league goals.


Totally agree if he keeps that sort of form up he will be in double figures for goals and that's what we need we need everybody to chip in and get there fair share of goals.
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Post by: Bren'd on September 30, 2019, 03:26:57 PM
Ronaldo he ain't. The only thing they share in common are the eyebrows. He's no winger, either. He manages to do one thing well in a game and then disappears. If he really does have to play, I'd prefer to see him playing more inside. Took his goal very well today. Maybe something to build on?

This might sound a bit daft but why not play him as our main striker?  He has more of an eye for goal than Wesley I think.
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Post by: eamonn on September 30, 2019, 03:30:46 PM
Our Sir Woodhall called this before the game on Saturday. He may be the best striker we have at the moment.
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Post by: AsTallAsLions on September 30, 2019, 03:32:08 PM
I've heard worse ideas.
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Post by: themossman on October 05, 2019, 04:10:03 PM
Playing well, 2 very good assists so far. May not look like a great contributor but heís always involved in goals and numbers starting to speak for themselves.
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Post by: danno on October 05, 2019, 06:49:46 PM
Partly because of its importance but mostly because it was good unselfish play I thoroughly enjoyed his role in Jacks goal today.
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Post by: Flin5tone on October 06, 2019, 01:21:01 AM
The numbers are starting to stack up for assists now and he'll bag a few more goals too.

I love his attitude and him as a person. Seems a really genuine down to earth lad.
 
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Post by: Three Spires Villa on October 06, 2019, 07:08:02 AM
Had some doubts at the start of the season, but recently he looks very good
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Post by: themossman on November 25, 2019, 10:49:48 PM
Good tonight I thought. Seemed to be playing a lot more centrally, and in front of Wesley a lot of the time. He has a real eye for goal and takes his chances well.
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Post by: itbrvilla on November 25, 2019, 10:55:04 PM
Good tonight I thought. Seemed to be playing a lot more centrally, and in front of Wesley a lot of the time. He has a real eye for goal and takes his chances well.
Totally agree, shame he wasn't released earlier by Jack for the offside goal.
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Post by: robleflaneur on November 28, 2019, 09:40:03 AM
Good tonight I thought. Seemed to be playing a lot more centrally, and in front of Wesley a lot of the time. He has a real eye for goal and takes his chances well.
Totally agree, shame he wasn't released earlier by Jack for the offside goal.
Was unable to get to the Newcastle game but interested to see that he is taking up more central positions.I think that he could be suited to being a central striker,he is a good finisher ,possesses a powerful shot , has good pace and can run at defenders as well as being reasonable in the air.Downside might be hold up play but playing the ball more in the channels would enable us to turn defences.
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Post by: AsTallAsLions on November 28, 2019, 10:00:30 AM
Good tonight I thought. Seemed to be playing a lot more centrally, and in front of Wesley a lot of the time. He has a real eye for goal and takes his chances well.
Totally agree, shame he wasn't released earlier by Jack for the offside goal.
Was unable to get to the Newcastle game but interested to see that he is taking up more central positions.I think that he could be suited to being a central striker,he is a good finisher ,possesses a powerful shot , has good pace and can run at defenders as well as being reasonable in the air.Downside might be hold up play but playing the ball more in the channels would enable us to turn defences.

Agreed. If we can't get a decent striker in January, we should look at bringing in another pacy winger which will free El Ghazi up to play up front.
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Post by: Diablo on November 28, 2019, 10:25:52 AM
Good tonight I thought. Seemed to be playing a lot more centrally, and in front of Wesley a lot of the time. He has a real eye for goal and takes his chances well.
Totally agree, shame he wasn't released earlier by Jack for the offside goal.
Very likely my poor memory, but wasn't it SJM who delayed the pass?
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Post by: Lastfootstamper on November 28, 2019, 10:39:28 AM
Good tonight I thought. Seemed to be playing a lot more centrally, and in front of Wesley a lot of the time. He has a real eye for goal and takes his chances well.
Totally agree, shame he wasn't released earlier by Jack for the offside goal.
Very likely my poor memory, but wasn't it SJM who delayed the pass?

It was. There was a few having a pop at El Ghazi, but you can only hold your run so long. By the time McGinn played the pass, I bet there were people sat right at the front of the Holte that could see he was miles off.
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Post by: Vill I An on November 28, 2019, 11:34:01 PM
ē 14 games
ē 4 goals
ē 4 assists

has made an impressive start to 2019/20

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Post by: dcdavecollett on November 29, 2019, 12:34:53 AM
Yes. Though infuriatingly inconsistent, he has shown real promise.
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Post by: West Derby Villan on November 29, 2019, 10:44:11 AM
Yes. Though infuriatingly inconsistent, he has shown real promise.

I couldn't agree more
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Post by: Vill I An on November 30, 2019, 11:56:03 AM
If he was outright upfront in the 3 forwards think be excellent.
Has quality to play across the 3 and against Newcastle several times was playing a proper forward role.
Has all the attributes of a top player.
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Post by: themossman on November 30, 2019, 04:08:05 PM
The more advanced plays the better he looks and I think heís one of our only decent headers of the ball.
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Post by: dcdavecollett on November 30, 2019, 07:49:06 PM
But he doesn't like heading it, does he?
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Post by: Toronto Villa on December 01, 2019, 03:36:18 AM
But he doesn't like heading it, does he?

I enjoyed his header from May 27th
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Post by: usav on December 01, 2019, 03:51:31 AM
But he doesn't like heading it, does he?

I enjoyed his header from May 27th

Technically his shoulder, I think.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on December 01, 2019, 04:35:48 AM
But he doesn't like heading it, does he?

I enjoyed his header from May 27th

Technically his shoulder, I think.

I was going with the head/shoulder or as we should always remember it a bullet diving header that ripped the back of the net leaving Derby distraught and forlorn.
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Post by: thick_mike on December 01, 2019, 09:28:58 AM
But he doesn't like heading it, does he?

I enjoyed his header from May 27th

Technically his shoulder, I think.

I was going with the head/shoulder or as we should always remember it a bullet diving header that ripped the back of the net leaving Derby distraught and forlorn.

A classic, just like Peter Witheís crisp volley off the sweet spot of his instep that ripped into the rigging in Rotterdam all those years ago.
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Post by: Lastfootstamper on December 01, 2019, 10:29:07 AM
Grayesque.
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Post by: usav on December 01, 2019, 02:01:04 PM
But he doesn't like heading it, does he?

I enjoyed his header from May 27th

Technically his shoulder, I think.

I was going with the head/shoulder or as we should always remember it a bullet diving header that ripped the back of the net leaving Derby distraught and forlorn.

Works for me!
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Post by: Pete3206 on December 01, 2019, 11:20:52 PM
I thought he looked sharp until the injury. Hope it's not too serious.
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Post by: not3bad on December 01, 2019, 11:40:07 PM
Injuries coming thick and fast now.
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Post by: john2710 on December 01, 2019, 11:57:11 PM
Injuries coming thick and fast now.
Why, other than Davies, who else is injured?
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Post by: brontebilly on December 01, 2019, 11:57:45 PM
I thought he looked sharp until the injury. Hope it's not too serious.

Was a real pity as think he would have had far too much for Williams. An assist and drew a yellow in his short time on the pitch. Badly missed his pace on the counter attack in second half, Trez did ok though.
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Post by: cdbullyweefan on December 01, 2019, 11:59:13 PM
Injuries coming thick and fast now.
Why, other than Davies, who else is injured?

There's a clue in the thread title...
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Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 02, 2019, 12:02:54 AM
Given the runs of injuries we've experienced over the last 8 or 9 years only having a couple of players out seems a blessing. And we don't even know if AEG will be out.
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Post by: Damo70 on December 02, 2019, 12:06:54 AM
But he doesn't like heading it, does he?

I enjoyed his header from May 27th

Technically his shoulder, I think.

I was going with the head/shoulder or as we should always remember it a bullet diving header that ripped the back of the net leaving Derby distraught and forlorn.

Works for me!


His diving header into the net from the halfway line in the play off final was arguably our best goal since Peter Withe scored from the halfway line in Rotterdam.
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Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 02, 2019, 12:16:40 AM
Which in turn was the best since Nicholl scored while stood at the back of Stretford End in 1977.
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Post by: Villafirst on December 02, 2019, 05:40:18 AM
Deano said Anwar got "a whack on the knee" and will be assessed at Bodymoor Heath. Sounds more a knock than anything else, so hopefully not too serious.
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Post by: darren woolley on December 03, 2019, 03:38:36 PM
He should be back for the Leicester game.
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Post by: maidstonevillain on December 03, 2019, 03:55:19 PM
That would suggest it will be Elmo and Trezeguet linking up down the right for the Chelsea game.
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Post by: TheMalandro on January 05, 2020, 10:59:20 AM
Has he done a Diane Abbott with his boots?

His finishing has been dreadful so far this season. He's fluffed so many tap ins.
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Post by: Ads on January 05, 2020, 11:01:44 AM
He needs a few weeks out to try and lose his poor form and low confidence.
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Post by: AV82EC on January 05, 2020, 11:07:41 AM
From what Iíve seen this season the guy is obviously out of form and low on confidence, Iím just not convinced he has the mental and physical toughness to make the step up. Of course I hope Iím wrong but like Jota and numerous others I just donít think heís good enough for this level.
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Post by: Ads on January 05, 2020, 11:21:01 AM
He's a young and inexperienced player and like most wingers, blows hot and cold.

He's got the talent, had a decent return of goals and gets in good positions. Much like last season he started well, was dropped, came back very low on confidence and then turned into Ronaldo for a bit.

How good he can be depends on how consistent he can become. With the change of system, I'd give him a couple weeks out.
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Post by: Risso on January 05, 2020, 12:30:07 PM
He's a young and inexperienced player and like most wingers, blows hot and cold.

He's got the talent, had a decent return of goals and gets in good positions. Much like last season he started well, was dropped, came back very low on confidence and then turned into Ronaldo for a bit.

How good he can be depends on how consistent he can become. With the change of system, I'd give him a couple weeks out.

The trouble is his replacement in Trezeguet isnít much better.
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Post by: Richard E on January 05, 2020, 12:36:22 PM
Worse, in fact.
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Post by: Ads on January 05, 2020, 01:09:53 PM
He's a young and inexperienced player and like most wingers, blows hot and cold.

He's got the talent, had a decent return of goals and gets in good positions. Much like last season he started well, was dropped, came back very low on confidence and then turned into Ronaldo for a bit.

How good he can be depends on how consistent he can become. With the change of system, I'd give him a couple weeks out.

The trouble is his replacement in Trezeguet isnít much better.

As a winger he is, but I felt he actually played well in deeper inside forward position, both on and off the ball. He lacks the pace the play wide in a 433.
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Post by: nigel on January 05, 2020, 03:57:03 PM
Like has been mentioned before, might be worth trying him as a centre forward type, similar to Vardy.
Bit late to trial it in cup games, though
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Post by: mike on January 05, 2020, 07:42:07 PM
I thought when he signed his new contract that he would be a decent squad player.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 05, 2020, 07:50:36 PM
He can be frustrating, but he at least occasionally delivers, he's far from our worst player.
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Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 05, 2020, 08:21:52 PM
I like him, he's inconsistent especially his finishing but more often than not he's involved in our good play and seems the only player we have who has the natural instinct to get into those goal scoring areas in te box, even if he does miss more of them than he should.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on January 05, 2020, 08:27:10 PM
Like has been mentioned before, might be worth trying him as a centre forward type, similar to Vardy.
Bit late to trial it in cup games, though
Should have been given a go several weeks ago.
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Post by: Brassneck on January 05, 2020, 08:43:22 PM
It's very difficult when you can be out of a game completely for 10/15 minutes and then suddenly receive the ball and be expected to open up a defence instantly.  That's why so few do it consistently and why the go for £50 million plus.

We need to improve our wide players (or maybe tuck them further inside in the 5311 system.  Many have been an advocate of AEG being more central (something I didn't want but perhaps a compromise is worth looking at).
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Post by: N'ZMAV on January 05, 2020, 08:59:10 PM
agreed - there's not many wingers that are consistent, even the £40-50mil ones are more often than not inconsistent....

Sterling, Mane and Salah are the only really consistent ones in England this season.
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Post by: eamonn on January 05, 2020, 09:10:48 PM
Di Maria has often looked shite half the time.
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Post by: Luke8 on January 05, 2020, 10:34:54 PM
Like has been mentioned before, might be worth trying him as a centre forward type, similar to Vardy.
Bit late to trial it in cup games, though

Youíre probably right in regards to the time (or lack of it) to try it but Kodjia hasn't exactly done much to suggest he should be selected by anything other than default.
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Post by: AV82EC on January 05, 2020, 10:44:29 PM
If and itís a big if he plays the 3-4-3 like Burnley with the two either side of the central striker playing as inside forwards Iíd give him a go at that. Trez did ok at Burnley maybe itís more suited to AEG.

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Post by: Vill I An on January 10, 2020, 05:11:30 PM
El Gahzi showed how difficult it was for him to be a striker against Leicester other day.

He also came off quite battered and bruised . Limping and nose bleed.
He is someone I do enjoy watching play for when on song is a joy and match winner as well as a goal threat however he struggles with the psychicality at times.
His ability and having learnt at school of Ajax taught him a lot but the physical nature of some opposition I think puts him well off his game .

And of course the biggest thing is consistency with Anwar.
Coz there ain't no body like El Ghazi !
Makes me happy when I see him play !
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Post by: Mister E on January 10, 2020, 06:24:26 PM
El Gahzi showed how difficult it was for him to be a striker against Leicester other day.

...
And yet, he set up our goal.
He has good footballing instincts, and his second Premier League season will see much grreater consistency.
Lest we forget, he already has 6 assists.
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Post by: Ian J on January 10, 2020, 07:07:28 PM
El Gahzi showed how difficult it was for him to be a striker against Leicester other day.

...
And yet, he set up our goal.
He has good footballing instincts, and his second Premier League season will see much grreater consistency.
Lest we forget, he already has 6 assists.
Heís doing pretty good, heís been a good signing.
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Post by: AV82EC on January 11, 2020, 08:22:25 AM
El Gahzi showed how difficult it was for him to be a striker against Leicester other day.

...
And yet, he set up our goal.
He has good footballing instincts, and his second Premier League season will see much grreater consistency.
Lest we forget, he already has 6 assists.
Heís doing pretty good, heís been a good signing.

The issues for me with El Ghazi are threefold:

1) heís anonymous for large parts of the game and hides from the ball
2) I think he really struggles with the step up in physicality despite being 6í2Ē.
3) he struggles to impose himself.

In his defence some of this is to do with the 4-3-3 system where for large parts he ends up acting as a secondary left back. He does have some talent as proven by assists etc but Iím coming to the conclusion he just lacks the mentality or physicality to impose himself in this league. He really has struggled with the step up in quality and his form has massively suffered.
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Post by: Mister E on January 11, 2020, 08:42:11 AM
El Gahzi showed how difficult it was for him to be a striker against Leicester other day.

...
And yet, he set up our goal.
He has good footballing instincts, and his second Premier League season will see much grreater consistency.
Lest we forget, he already has 6 assists.
Heís doing pretty good, heís been a good signing.

The issues for me with El Ghazi are threefold:

1) heís anonymous for large parts of the game and hides from the ball
2) I think he really struggles with the step up in physicality despite being 6í2Ē.
3) he struggles to impose himself.

In his defence some of this is to do with the 4-3-3 system where for large parts he ends up acting as a secondary left back. He does have some talent as proven by assists etc but Iím coming to the conclusion he just lacks the mentality or physicality to impose himself in this league. He really has struggled with the step up in quality and his form has massively suffered.
I'd agree with your 3 points, which is why I think he will look alot better next season. Despite which, he has done some good stuff this season (the 2 horrendous misses against Leicester and Sourhampton notwithstanding).
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 11, 2020, 10:43:13 AM
The issues for me with El Ghazi are threefold:

1) heís anonymous for large parts of the game and hides from the ball
2) I think he really struggles with the step up in physicality despite being 6í2Ē.
3) he struggles to impose himself.

In his defence some of this is to do with the 4-3-3 system where for large parts he ends up acting as a secondary left back. He does have some talent as proven by assists etc but Iím coming to the conclusion he just lacks the mentality or physicality to impose himself in this league. He really has struggled with the step up in quality and his form has massively suffered.

Agree on your three points with the first being my biggest problem with him. Even when he gets something right, whether it be a goal or an assist, rather than boosting his confidence and wanting to do more it's like, 'I've done my bit, where shall I hide?' and ends up a passenger for the rest of the game.

Regarding formation, I don't see him as a winger and think he'd benefit coming in 15 yards with the option to go wide if he decides. My worry is his bloody nose against Leicester will push him further into the shadows, if that's possible. Mentally and physically he seems extremely weak. As for being a secondary left back, he's not helped by Targett's lazy arse getting back to defend. AEG has successfully covered for him on several occasions.

Having said all that, he's still very young and only cost us what, £4m? Ideally we bring in a winger this window and allow AEG time to grow and develop, using him as an impact player from the bench.
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Post by: aj2k77 on January 11, 2020, 11:35:38 AM
Mentally weak? The guy went against his religious beliefs to prepare for a football game that we ultimately won and scored the winner in the biggest game in our most recent history but because he's in and out he's mentally weak? That's a pretty unfair accusation.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 11, 2020, 11:39:27 AM
Nobody's talking about John McGinn.
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Post by: Clampy on January 11, 2020, 11:41:19 AM
Yep, mentally weak is very harsh and with no real proof to back it up.

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Post by: aj2k77 on January 11, 2020, 11:48:52 AM
Nobody's talking about John McGinn.

The points still stand.

We are way too quick to throw the coward, weak, mentally not up for it jibes around. They're very offensive and more often than not completely unsubstantiated and based on frustrations of young players being in and out.

Save those comments for Wankers like Ireland, Richards and Lescott.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 11, 2020, 12:20:51 PM
Yep, mentally weak is very harsh and with no real proof to back it up.

I wish it wasn't the case but that's how I see him. His performances are the real proof. A couple of examples;
I'm struggling to think of a player that when he scores or lays on a great assist, instead of thinking I can do this again, goes into his shell, literally disappears for the rest of the game.
Tackling; forget 50/50s, he backs out of 60/40s in his favour, maybe even 70/30s. He's not prepared to get involved. Why?
He receives the ball and his first option is normally to pass it back to Targett or Taylor.
Remember when he used to cut inside and have a shot? That's stopped.
The majority of players, especially forwards thrive on confidence but AEG doesn't appear to be one of them.

Is he scared of making a mistake, I've no idea but based on his performances and the decisions he takes even when all the stars are aligned he doesn't take advantage. The only person holding back his potential is himself.
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Post by: Villan82 on January 11, 2020, 01:02:59 PM
Dreadfully harsh.

I do not understand our fans sometimes. AEG is a goal scorer and a goal provider. He is a productive player and has made the step up from the Championship. Of course he will be inconsistent, he has just made a huge step up but he has won us games at this level.

He also cost us peanuts. Lay off him FFS.
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Post by: frank black on January 11, 2020, 01:07:30 PM
Good player that will improve tremendously with better players up front with him.
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Post by: sirlordbaltimore on January 11, 2020, 01:31:56 PM


A lightweight.
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Post by: dcdavecollett on January 11, 2020, 08:14:20 PM
Didn't he have a serious injury while at Ajax?

Maybe this is why he is reluctant to get involved with the physical stuff?
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Post by: ChicagoLion on January 12, 2020, 08:46:25 AM
Awful against Southampton. Good v Burnley.
Can have some real dreadful performances.
Sometimes does not look interested.
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Post by: AV82EC on January 12, 2020, 08:49:34 AM
Awful against Southampton. Good v Burnley.
Can have some real dreadful performances.
Sometimes does not look interested.

Errrr he was dropped for Burnley which I think proves the point.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on January 12, 2020, 09:02:33 AM
Awful against Southampton. Good v Burnley.
Can have some real dreadful performances.
Sometimes does not look interested.

Errrr he was dropped for Burnley which I think proves the point.
he started dropped Watford shit against Southampton
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Post by: Clampy on January 12, 2020, 09:35:15 AM
I think he's been ok overall but there's a lot more to come from him defiantly.
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Post by: aj2k77 on January 12, 2020, 01:51:49 PM
And for £7m or so that's what you get, potentially better, at the moment Ok. Bournemouth have £20m + players sitting on their bench these days. I have no qualms about his ability being questioned but the coward/lacks heart bollocks is simply just that.
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Post by: David_Nab on January 12, 2020, 09:59:34 PM
And for £7m or so that's what you get, potentially better, at the moment Ok. Bournemouth have £20m + players sitting on their bench these days. I have no qualms about his ability being questioned but the coward/lacks heart bollocks is simply just that.

2 bookings in last 2 games , can't say he isn't getting stuck in .Tried his best today as a target man but just outmuscled and out numbered by the cbs
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 12, 2020, 11:33:09 PM
And for £7m or so that's what you get, potentially better, at the moment Ok. Bournemouth have £20m + players sitting on their bench these days. I have no qualms about his ability being questioned but the coward/lacks heart bollocks is simply just that.

You're the only person to mention the 'coward/lacks heart' bollocks. FWIW, I thought he did okay today, looked to get involved and was one of the very few positives from the game. Maybe he's been reading this thread.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: dcdavecollett on January 14, 2020, 12:09:19 AM
I thought he kept at it well in an unfamiliar position and unfavourable circumstances.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Flin5tone on January 14, 2020, 12:37:30 AM
For 7 million he is a bargain and one of our better players, when you consider Targett was 17 million....

He's also a good lad, helped hugely in getting us promoted and even took a break from fasting at Ramadan for the Play Off Final.

I think he's been more than OK this season a 7/10
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: kieron on January 14, 2020, 06:44:17 AM
Targett was £11m.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: AV82EC on February 02, 2020, 12:57:55 PM
It has to be said utterly anonymous again yesterday judging from reports. How many more chances does he get?
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Ads on February 02, 2020, 01:02:19 PM
He played an absolutely brilliant through ball and put in a quality cross for Guilbert. He faded out of it second half, but he wasn't entirely anonymous.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: dorsetvillian on February 02, 2020, 01:07:10 PM
He is so off the pace yesterday along with Gilbert. Our right side was a mess.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: AV82EC on February 02, 2020, 01:14:00 PM
He played an absolutely brilliant through ball and put in a quality cross for Guilbert. He faded out of it second half, but he wasn't entirely anonymous.

Is it enough though Ads? He seems to do bits and pieces in a game but I havenít seen anything this season to suggest heís absolutely been central to any of our victories or had a 8 or 9 out of 10 performance.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 02, 2020, 01:34:44 PM
I think at TRez has more impact and gets involved more.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Chris Smith on February 02, 2020, 01:47:48 PM
I think at TRez has more impact and gets involved more.

I think both of them have more impact as a sub than when they start.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 02, 2020, 01:53:20 PM
I think at TRez has more impact and gets involved more.

I think both of them have more impact as a sub than when they start.
Agreed, the problem is the same can be said of Luiz and Hourihane.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: CT on February 02, 2020, 02:17:08 PM
I like AEG, he just has no "stickability". One slight gust of wind and he gets knocked off the ball.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: David_Nab on February 02, 2020, 03:30:56 PM
He is better on the left , cutting inside and shooting but we play JG there.

Yesterday was generally poor  , I'd have had him off at HT and put Conner on to match them in MF..certainly after the red thats what I would have done.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: aj2k77 on February 02, 2020, 03:56:35 PM
Doing 1 decent thing a game isn't the necessary output you need from one of your attackers. He's not good enough at the moment for Premier League football.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Newby on February 02, 2020, 04:39:54 PM
Doing 1 decent thing a game isn't the necessary output you need from one of your attackers. He's not good enough at the moment for Premier League football.

Sadly, I think El Ghazi, Trezeguet and Douglas are in exactly the same boat.  Seem to do far more when they come on as subs than they do when they get a whole game. Far too inconsistent.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: manic-road on February 25, 2020, 06:11:18 PM
Has there been any news on the possible career ending injury that El Ghazi picked up at Southampton?
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: CT on February 25, 2020, 06:57:57 PM
Has there been any news on the possible career ending injury that El Ghazi picked up at Southampton?

Recovery time is about 2 / 3 minutes. Be a bit bloody patient!!
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: FrankyH on February 25, 2020, 07:25:30 PM
Has there been any news on the possible career ending injury that El Ghazi picked up at Southampton?

Recovery time is about 2 / 3 minutes. Be a bit bloody patient!!

Yes indeed..

Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: The Edge on February 25, 2020, 07:27:37 PM
Has there been any news on the possible career ending injury that El Ghazi picked up at Southampton?
Could be out for a while. Snapped his g-string apparently.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: The Edge on February 25, 2020, 07:28:36 PM
Has there been any news on the possible career ending injury that El Ghazi picked up at Southampton?

Recovery time is about 2 / 3 minutes. Be a bit bloody patient!!

Yes indeed..


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Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: AV82EC on February 25, 2020, 07:30:17 PM
Thoughts and prayers with Anwar at this difficult time.
#prayforanwar
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: colin69 on February 25, 2020, 07:40:06 PM
El Ghazj and Trez have done their bit for Villa.Maybe I not enough for some but hey ho!!!
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Demitri_C on February 25, 2020, 07:59:51 PM
El Ghazj and Trez have done their bit for Villa.Maybe I not enough for some but hey ho!!!

Both have been utter flops. If we stay up we need to get rid of both. As the season has progressed they have got worse and worse.

AEGs "performance" was a disgrace in Saturday.  He didnt fancy it and  bottled it. We dont people like that at our club
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Drummond on February 25, 2020, 08:01:48 PM
El Ghazj and Trez have done their bit for Villa.Maybe I not enough for some but hey ho!!!

Both have been utter flops. If we stay up we need to get rid of both. As the season has progressed they have got worse and worse.

AEGs "performance" was a disgrace in Saturday.  He didnt fancy it and  bottled it. We dont people like that at our club

You could say the same about some fans.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: brontebilly on February 25, 2020, 08:10:18 PM
El Ghazj and Trez have done their bit for Villa.Maybe I not enough for some but hey ho!!!

Both have been utter flops. If we stay up we need to get rid of both. As the season has progressed they have got worse and worse.

AEGs "performance" was a disgrace in Saturday.  He didnt fancy it and  bottled it. We dont people like that at our club

Without AEG, we wouldn't have won the play off final. He is a player of significant technical ability. Two footed, quick, good shot and cross on him. But sadly lacking in some of the more fundementals to make it as a top division player. The ability to battle and take a kicking for starters. If he added that to his game given his physique and other technical attributes, we would have some player. Unfortunately it's also probably the reason his career to date has been a bit nomadic.

Trez is horribly limited in almost every facet of his game. Does put in a bit more of a shift than AEG or Luiz but reminds me of a poor man's Andi Weimann to be honest. Nowhere near good enough for me.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: LukeJames on February 25, 2020, 08:25:03 PM
I completely agree with that. I see a player in El Ghazi, I see nothing in Trez.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: rougegorge on February 25, 2020, 08:38:38 PM
I completely agree with that. I see a player in El Ghazi, I see nothing in Trez.
I agree with this as well. El Ghazi has better attributes and with good coaching could improve further.

Trezeguet scored a decent goal against Liverpool and his goal got us to Wembley, but generally he hasn't been at the standard that is needed at this level.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Newby on February 25, 2020, 08:56:50 PM
If he could stop being a sulky twat and play consistently each week, that would be a help.  Only seems to play well when he's been left out.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Lastfootstamper on February 25, 2020, 09:37:21 PM
My take is that he, like most of our paper-thin squad, is new to this level. He can't be dropped altogether, and I think that that relentlessness of inclusion shows from time to time. For all we know, he'd possibly like a weekend on the bench where he knows there's little chance he'll be called upon which would give him some respite to recover his form. We had similar with Wes. I can see why it would be grinding.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: olaftab on February 25, 2020, 10:00:07 PM
El Ghazj and Trez have done their bit for Villa.Maybe I not enough for some but hey ho!!!

Both have been utter flops. If we stay up we need to get rid of both. As the season has progressed they have got worse and worse.

AEGs "performance" was a disgrace in Saturday.  He didnt fancy it and  bottled it. We dont people like that at our club
They have not been utter flops. Yes not quite good enough but they have contributed. El Ghazi played a major part in our promotion.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Newby on February 25, 2020, 10:06:57 PM
Last year is so last year.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Ads on February 25, 2020, 10:12:57 PM
El Ghazi has it in him to be a good player. I think he will benefit a lot from this season and his decision making and commitment can improve. He has undoubted technical ability.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 25, 2020, 11:48:54 PM
Wrong player, wrong time. Spurs suffered decades of signing them. All fart, no shit.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 26, 2020, 12:10:33 AM
He's got 6 goals and 6 assists this season so he's obviously not been an utter flop, his form has dropped off lately though. I've been disappointed with Trez overall.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: OzVilla on February 26, 2020, 03:05:48 AM
Neither AEG or Trez are good enough.  There's a long list of players not quite up to it right now and those 2 are top of the list.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Jon Crofts on February 26, 2020, 05:06:45 AM
I'd have AEG over Trez any day, doesn't make him a great player though, both bang average at best, come May if we're still a PL club get rid.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Demitri_C on February 26, 2020, 09:28:49 AM
El Ghazj and Trez have done their bit for Villa.Maybe I not enough for some but hey ho!!!

Both have been utter flops. If we stay up we need to get rid of both. As the season has progressed they have got worse and worse.

AEGs "performance" was a disgrace in Saturday.  He didnt fancy it and  bottled it. We dont people like that at our club
They have not been utter flops. Yes not quite good enough but they have contributed. El Ghazi played a major part in our promotion.

Im talking about this season as a permananent signing. Both have been huge disappointments in Pl. Between the both of them they havent had 10 decent games between them. Thats a major problem
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: AV82EC on February 26, 2020, 01:18:38 PM
Iíve come to the conclusion heís got plenty of talent technically but he just hasnít got the ďbottleĒ or mental toughness you need to play at the highest level. The guy is 6í2Ē and heís as soft as shite, easily dominated physically and far too easy to intimidate in the tackle.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Demitri_C on February 26, 2020, 01:20:45 PM
Iíve come to the conclusion heís got plenty of talent technically but he just hasnít got the ďbottleĒ or mental toughness you need to play at the highest level. The guy is 6í2Ē and heís as soft as shite, easily dominated physically and far too easy to intimidate in the tackle.

I think thats a fair observation mate. Thats how i see him.  I think he has more to offer than trez who is a headless chicken with  no footbalk brain
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: ktvillan on February 28, 2020, 05:10:32 PM
AEG has technical ability but only shows it for about 15-20 minutes in games, sometimes less, then fades away.  I've yet to see him perform for even a full half let alone a full match.  I'd say his performances  are mostly  either between a 2 and 4 out of 10 with the occasional 7 out of 10, but never higher.  Which is not good enough for PL.  Plus he does not seem to be up for a battle in any sense of the word.  His role in getting us promoted is irrelevant - did he contribute any more than, say,  Adomah?

As for Trezeguet I'd give most of his turns a 2 out of 10 (which is being generous) with the occasional 5 if he manages to scuff in a consolation goal, which he's done once or twice.  His shooting for a forward is abysmal, Tonev level ineptitude,  but scuffed instead of blasted way over.  I don't know who scouted him but he wants his eyes tested.   
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Vill I An on February 28, 2020, 05:15:40 PM
That's where a different learning culture means he's a type of footballer that gets appreciated for his technique but lambasted for his lack of physicality.
Some players just want to play football and learned to play the game for flair and skill
El Ghazi is one of them .

As for Trezeguet he's had a mixed season and is in a settling period . I think he has ability and I wouldn't be surprised if he impacts the cup final. If he's given a consistent run , say with Elmo , on the right think he would be a good attacking asset.

At this time both players lack the consistency.
Though I not in the camp of having these tough rugged players I rather have flair and football ability.
Dean Smith is the same and doesn't look to have these iron men snarking round the midfield.
Tactical fouls are part of the game these days not hitting people
Midfield warriors are fine but I'm always mystified by those who want some type of football hard man who over compensate for his lack of a footballing ability by giving the opposition  a good kicking .

That's not actually football and no place on field for it.
El Gazi getting whacked in the face should have gone to VAR and had Bednaerck sent off.
It was clearly serious foul play as he had to go off injured with a nasty head injury

I don't know how he can be called soft he's not a boxer so was entitled to go off for his own safety


 
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: hilts_coolerking on February 28, 2020, 05:22:39 PM
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Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: paul_e on February 28, 2020, 05:26:16 PM
That's really not a fair reflection.

He's played about 65 games for us and has 12 goals and 12 assists. That's not a bad record  at all but the problem he has, like a few other players, is that when he's not involved in the final 3rd he doesn't do enough around the pitch to earn his 'quiet' days. On top of that some games he just doesn't seem to be up for it, again we have a few players with that problem.

Trez is different, I think his biggest problem is that he's trying too hard and he really needs to develop a bit of 'chill' to his game.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: CT on February 28, 2020, 05:41:33 PM
I'd have AEG and Trez on the bench for Sunday and have Jack playing just behind Samatta up front.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Mister E on February 28, 2020, 06:08:37 PM
AEG over Trez all day long. AEG has natural skill - he played very well against Spuds recently, for example.
He just needs to develops a tougher approach to his game and take more accountability, rather than opting out as he sometimes does.

Trez might develop into a impact sub but needs to back himself a little more as well as being much more aware of the players around him (when to pass / when to shoot decision-making has been poor).
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 01, 2020, 09:39:45 PM
Top class cross for our goal. More of those please Anwar.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: supertom on March 02, 2020, 04:15:33 PM
Top class cross for our goal. More of those please Anwar.
I really hope he fancies it for the rest of the season. There's too many games where he either looks frightened of defenders who might bash him about a bit, or where he just isn't fancying it. He's got plenty of quality, but I think he's one of those players, because he'll only ever do it 1 game in 4, you'll never see him at a top 4 side in a decent league. But of course, there-in lies the Catch 22, if he was doing it week in, week out, we'd not have got him.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: myf on March 02, 2020, 09:48:37 PM
I've always rated AEG. what is he - 24 or 25? still learning with good potential but people want to "get rid". the same kind of comments directed at amavi ghana veretout troure...

the criticism from our lot is pathetic at times.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on March 02, 2020, 10:43:58 PM
It kind of matches his performances. Nobody likes a player that hides. Not blaming him, I just don't think he's good enough for the PL. For the Championship we've a half decent player. Still, if fans want to defend his performances, help yourself.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: tomd2103 on March 02, 2020, 10:57:15 PM
It kind of matches his performances. Nobody likes a player that hides. Not blaming him, I just don't think he's good enough for the PL. For the Championship we've a half decent player. Still, if fans want to defend his performances, help yourself.

I didn't think he really stood out in the Championship last season and thought he might be signed as a bit part player at best in the summer.  Only really see him as an impact sub if we are to improve going forward. 
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Villan82 on March 02, 2020, 11:08:40 PM
AEG has delivered goals and assists in both seasons.
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