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Title: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: kieron on August 22, 2018, 05:32:31 PM
https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1032304161508007936

Welcome - season long loan.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi
Post by: villadelph on August 22, 2018, 05:40:49 PM
Welcome to the club, balls in the back of the net please!

Hopefully with this influx of attackers it will deter our long ball habits.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi
Post by: Villan For Life on August 22, 2018, 05:44:14 PM
Welcome to the Villa
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi
Post by: Villafirst on August 22, 2018, 05:45:58 PM
Welcome Anwar - help fire us back to the Premier League!
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi
Post by: achilles on August 22, 2018, 06:00:21 PM
Hopefully he can bring a bit of the Ajax way to Villa Park!

All the best! UTV
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi
Post by: SashasGrandad on August 22, 2018, 06:09:33 PM
Hopefully he can bring a bit of the Ajax way to Villa Park!

All the best! UTV

Should be able to show defenders a clean pair of heels.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 22, 2018, 06:10:22 PM
Welcome Anwar, never heard of you but hope you do well!
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 22, 2018, 06:14:34 PM
I know his brother Ben
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi
Post by: Three Spires Villa on August 22, 2018, 06:17:54 PM
Good luck, all the very best :D
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 22, 2018, 06:21:36 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DlN-Qw_WwAIQfF0.jpg)

Quote
Aston Villa is delighted to announce the signing of Anwar El Ghazi from Lille on a season-long loan.

The winger is a graduate of the academy at Dutch giants, Ajax for whom he played over 70 times including in the Champions League where he scored against Barcelona in the Nou Camp in 2014.

Capped at senior international level by the Netherlands, El Ghazi has been with Lille since January 2017.

He said: ďI am thrilled to join a football club of the size of Aston Villa.

ďI visited Villa Park late last night after flying in from Holland and it gave me goosebumps.

ďI canít wait to get out there and experience it for real and play in front of such passionate fans.Ē
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi
Post by: villadelph on August 22, 2018, 06:27:12 PM
^ Good answer  8)
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi
Post by: manic-road on August 22, 2018, 06:30:10 PM
Welcome Anwar, now do the business on the pitch.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi
Post by: darren woolley on August 22, 2018, 06:49:55 PM
Welcome to Aston Villa Anwar.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi
Post by: george avfc on August 22, 2018, 06:51:50 PM
Adaptable twice-capped Netherlands international El Ghazi can also play at left-back and in the centre of defence

Taken from the BBC website. So that's the CB problem solved then....
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 22, 2018, 06:53:00 PM
Adaptable twice-capped Netherlands international El Ghazi can also play at left-back and in the centre of defence

Taken from the BBC website. So that's the CB problem solved then....

He canít be worse than Jedinak.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 22, 2018, 06:53:28 PM
Good luck young man. Do us proud.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi
Post by: KevinGage on August 22, 2018, 06:53:38 PM
When did we become Ameriken.

And did a Dutch Moroccan really say goosebumps. 
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi
Post by: george avfc on August 22, 2018, 06:55:07 PM
Adaptable twice-capped Netherlands international El Ghazi can also play at left-back and in the centre of defence

Taken from the BBC website. So that's the CB problem solved then....

He canít be worse than Jedinak.

True. Hopefully a bit more mobile though!
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi
Post by: dave shelley on August 22, 2018, 06:56:49 PM
Welcome kidder, please play good football.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi
Post by: Steve67 on August 22, 2018, 07:00:21 PM
Never heard of him but will be interesting to see where he fits in. Welcome Anwar.  Goosebumps eh?  Good lad.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 22, 2018, 07:16:22 PM
welcome Anwar  dont be Tonev and be more like smodgrass
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: The Man With A Stick on August 22, 2018, 07:19:28 PM
When did we become Ameriken.

And did a Dutch Moroccan really say goosebumps. 

He probably said gooshbumpsh.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on August 22, 2018, 07:30:32 PM
My buddy from Eindhoven just text  me - doesn't like him as he is from Ajax :) but goes on to say he is a dangerous player
Hopefully an exciting player
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: sickbeggar on August 22, 2018, 07:51:29 PM
Looks a decent punt. young,  lost his way a bit. Maybe a fresh start is what he needs
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 22, 2018, 07:58:37 PM
Good work by AT.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 22, 2018, 08:03:26 PM
Good work by AT.

Eh? You on the right thread?
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 22, 2018, 08:05:54 PM
Not for that post.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: NeilH on August 22, 2018, 09:15:15 PM
Did well at Ajax and then got injured. Watched him on his comeback as he played for Jong Ajax vs my adopted Dutch club and he tore them a new arsehole for 90mins. Great player
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: kieron on August 23, 2018, 12:01:36 AM
Here's his interview, seems genuinely proud and excited.

Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 23, 2018, 12:03:47 AM
Never heard of this guy but seems like he was an exciting player at Ajax, scored 20 in 70 games for them and Eredivise is similar level to championship.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: tomd2103 on August 23, 2018, 12:09:05 AM
Just watched some clips of him and he looks like a predominantly right footed wide forward who can play on both flanks.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi
Post by: footyskillz on August 23, 2018, 09:00:47 AM
Adaptable twice-capped Netherlands international El Ghazi can also play at left-back and in the centre of defence

Taken from the BBC website. So that's the CB problem solved then....

He canít be worse than Jedinak.

True. Hopefully a bit more mobile though!

Can he actually ?
Can anyone inform me and rest of h and v if he can play as a left back.

I feel the info is wrong and he's essentially a winger and attack minded player.

Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: footyskillz on August 23, 2018, 09:01:34 AM
My buddy from Eindhoven just text  me - doesn't like him as he is from Ajax :) but goes on to say he is a dangerous player
Hopefully an exciting player

Can you find out please if this guy is a left back operator or just a left winger
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Risso on August 23, 2018, 10:17:43 AM
He's a Mendes client it seems.

Surely that BBC article should say centre forward and not defence.  There's nothing anywhere about him ever having played in defence, he's a goal scoring winger/forward.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Des Little on August 23, 2018, 10:25:15 AM
My buddy from Eindhoven just text  me - doesn't like him as he is from Ajax :) but goes on to say he is a dangerous player
Hopefully an exciting player

Can you find out please if this guy is a left back operator or just a left winger

He'll be a right back.  And like it.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: john e on August 23, 2018, 10:29:52 AM
He's a Mendes client it seems.

Surely that BBC article should say centre forward and not defence.  There's nothing anywhere about him ever having played in defence, he's a goal scoring winger/forward.

and itís no good asking Bruce what his position is because he definitely wonít know
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Walmley_Villa on August 23, 2018, 10:37:54 AM
Wonder if Albert will end up back at Boro on loan?
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Duncan Shaw on August 23, 2018, 10:50:16 AM
Wonder if Albert will end up back at Boro on loan?
I thought that this morning, there will need to be a fall guy, but then he played a lot better last night.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: garyshawsknee on August 23, 2018, 10:54:26 AM
I was wondering that, 2 or 3 will have to go out on loan, maybe Green and BB also.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: cdbullyweefan on August 23, 2018, 10:55:03 AM
I wouldn't want to help out a rival, and I feel Albert could still have an important role to play. The arrival of El Ghazi and Bolasie could, I suppose, allow us to loan out Green. Even then I would want a recall clause, just in case.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Nelson Lodge on August 23, 2018, 11:18:24 AM
He's a Mendes client it seems.

Surely that BBC article should say centre forward and not defence.  There's nothing anywhere about him ever having played in defence, he's a goal scoring winger/forward.

and itís no good asking Bruce what his position is because he definitely wonít know

Transfer Market site says he is mainly a left winger with centre forward and right wing as his other positions. It also says he is right footed and 1.89m tall. Also gives Mendes' company GestiFute as his agent.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Des Little on August 23, 2018, 11:25:59 AM
Green needs a loan move - to me he looks devoid of confidence of late.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Drummond on August 23, 2018, 12:13:42 PM
When did we become Ameriken.

And did a Dutch Moroccan really say goosebumps. 

He probably said gooshbumpsh.

We're signing Sean Connery?!
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: footyskillz on August 23, 2018, 04:48:54 PM
My buddy from Eindhoven just text  me - doesn't like him as he is from Ajax :) but goes on to say he is a dangerous player
Hopefully an exciting player

Can you find out please if this guy is a left back operator or just a left winger

He'll be a right back.  And like it.

Well that's a relief as if he's a right back he probably won't play there and at left back or further forward! Haha
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: footyskillz on August 23, 2018, 04:50:26 PM
He's a Mendes client it seems.

Surely that BBC article should say centre forward and not defence.  There's nothing anywhere about him ever having played in defence, he's a goal scoring winger/forward.

Exactly ! In all seriousness sounds like he is a winger and hearing a bruce interview he says he can play either side ...!
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: clash city rocker on August 23, 2018, 05:05:50 PM
Well with the level of coaching he will receive at villa he will be off to Barcelona next summer.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: footyskillz on August 24, 2018, 09:56:50 AM
Bruce says in press conference providing El ghazi gets international clearance he will be involved tomorrow.

And that El ghazi someone who will be exciting to watch
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Damo70 on August 24, 2018, 10:32:47 AM
I am surprised Lille let him go out on loan. He played 39 games for them last season.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: frank black on August 24, 2018, 10:35:37 AM
I am surprised Lille let him go out on loan. He played 39 games for them last season.

FFP apparently
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: footyskillz on August 24, 2018, 11:39:32 AM
I am surprised Lille let him go out on loan. He played 39 games for them last season.

Jorge Mendes intervention.

Bruce was talking about anwar saying stuff but this was a Mendes offering rather than a Bruce move was it not?

He fits profile of what needed and then owners got Mendes on case and came up with this transfer .

Think Bruce won't mind this move but the portugeezer resrve gk could be another story
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Ads on August 24, 2018, 12:12:40 PM
I don't know much about him, but a 24 year old on the fringes of the Dutch squad, having played for a Ligue 1 side for practically the entire season (albeit a struggling one with financial issues) doesn't leap out as the sort of ordinary signing a Championship club could make.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Ger Regan on August 24, 2018, 12:22:19 PM
He seems a decent size as well, particularly for a winger (?).
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 24, 2018, 12:55:22 PM
Well with the level of coaching he will receive at villa he will be off to Barcelona next summer.

Or Tottenham
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: jwarry on August 24, 2018, 02:26:40 PM
I am surprised Lille let him go out on loan. He played 39 games for them last season.

They are in a bigger shit than we are/were
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: brian green on August 24, 2018, 02:54:59 PM
My tribe and I frequently visit Majestic Wine in Coquelles, Calais.  The lads there are mad Lille fans.  I will sound them out.  They were spot on about Ayew, Veretout and Garde.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Matt Collins on August 24, 2018, 03:42:05 PM
Adaptable twice-capped Netherlands international El Ghazi can also play at left-back and in the centre of defence

Taken from the BBC website. So that's the CB problem solved then....

He canít be worse than Jedinak.

There's no way he can play at centre back
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Steve67 on August 24, 2018, 06:48:07 PM
He looks a big lad, tall.  I hope he's as good as Bruce says he is.  Did we get the clearance to play him tomorrow?  I can't find anything that we did.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 24, 2018, 06:51:41 PM
Adaptable twice-capped Netherlands international El Ghazi can also play at left-back and in the centre of defence

Taken from the BBC website. So that's the CB problem solved then....

He canít be worse than Jedinak.

There's no way he can play at centre back

I was joking to be fair.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: cdbullyweefan on August 24, 2018, 07:41:01 PM
Can he play tomorrow?
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Richard E on August 24, 2018, 07:48:59 PM
Can he play tomorrow?

As of this morning we were still waiting for confirmation his international clearance had come through.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 24, 2018, 07:51:15 PM
Heís from the EU isnít he?
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Chris Stares on August 24, 2018, 08:45:47 PM
Heís from the EU isnít he?
You still have to get international clearance to transfer between clubs in football federations in different countries.  I think that even applies for  transfers between Scotland and England for example, so we would have had to have received international clearance for McGinn when he joined us from Hibs before he could play for us.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: paul_e on August 24, 2018, 09:10:54 PM
Heís from the EU isnít he?

Yep but this isn't a work permit, it's a player registration, it often takes a couple of days for players coming from abroad.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 24, 2018, 09:18:59 PM
Ah ok cheers.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Ads on August 25, 2018, 12:25:34 AM
There's a YouTube video him arriving at BHX and seeing the home of football for the first time.

Lovely to.see his reaction to how good Villa Park is and how John Terry has been telling Loic Remy about how good our away following is.

Special place Villa Park, especially under lights. That proved controversial for a few the last time I uttered it.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: villan from luton on August 25, 2018, 12:34:26 AM
Ads, he comes across as a lad who really wants to come to the club and pleased with that. Hopefully another plus for John Terry as well, know he is Chelsea through and through, but he also has felt real passion at Villa and the away support is second to none, We have to make VP a fortress as well where opposition players worry
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: paul_e on August 25, 2018, 12:39:05 AM
Ads, he comes across as a lad who really wants to come to the club and pleased with that. Hopefully another plus for John Terry as well, know he is Chelsea through and through, but he also has felt real passion at Villa and the away support is second to none, We have to make VP a fortress as well where opposition players worry

Villa park is a fortress, our home record is fine. We need to go away against midtable teams planning on winning the game rather than playing to keep it tight and cross our fingers. Too many times last season we seemed content to play for the clean sheet against teams we'd have smashed if we'd just attacked them.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 25, 2018, 12:49:57 AM
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: villan from luton on August 25, 2018, 12:51:29 AM
We have a great record at home, but many of them have been lucky to be fair. Go at teams and the same goes for away games. If we have the players, impose themselves and this is my problem with the manager and I hope he will kick on from Wednesday and let them express themselves
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 25, 2018, 01:00:58 AM
I think our home record is W27 D16 L5, which is pretty decent.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Ads on August 25, 2018, 08:06:49 AM
Just watched his Ajax YouTube video.

Always difficult to get a true picture but from what you can see he appears;

Very quick
Very strong
Good on his left or right foot
Hits a shot like a traction engine

Hopefully he got international clearance so we can have a look at him today.

I think his pace would certainly help away from home. I don't think we've been good enough as a counter attacking unit away from home as we have never been able to stretch teams with pace.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Fasth56 on August 25, 2018, 09:04:23 AM
He really comes across well, however I have one question, Why the F^"K has Micah Richards got a locker at Bodymoor Heath?
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: London Villan on August 25, 2018, 09:12:53 AM
He really comes across well, however I have one question, Why the F^"K has Micah Richards got a locker at Bodymoor Heath?

Itís where he keeps his mop and bucket.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: GarTomas on August 25, 2018, 01:32:34 PM
He really comes across well, however I have one question, Why the F^"K has Micah Richards got a locker at Bodymoor Heath?

Itís where he keeps his mop and bucket.

Itís full of bantz apparently
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: footyskillz on September 01, 2018, 09:26:10 AM
El Ghazi is 4.5/1  to score today think he has a chance .

Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: footyskillz on September 02, 2018, 08:41:21 AM
A pleasant surprise that I have seen won some wonga after tipping him up to score completely forgot as was in different mind after the loss!

Well played El Ghazi scoring first goal.

And thank you ! 4.5/1 paddypower was big a price !
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PeterWithe on September 02, 2018, 10:33:35 AM
None too keen on the physical side of the game but that will come
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 07, 2018, 07:00:51 PM
For anyone interested

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dmfz-gEXgAA-Qe5.jpg)
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Mortimer's Bear on September 11, 2018, 10:02:21 AM
For anyone interested

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dmfz-gEXgAA-Qe5.jpg)

During school time? I can't see them queuing round the block for this one.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: andyh on September 11, 2018, 05:59:14 PM
Apparently he let something slip  about the lack of visibility of  Bruce at training.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: KevinGage on September 11, 2018, 06:38:23 PM
Well those Greggs sausage rolls wonít eat themselves.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: eamonn on September 11, 2018, 07:34:26 PM
Apparently he let something slip  about the lack of visibility of  Bruce at training.

Go on...
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: andyh on September 11, 2018, 07:58:49 PM
Apparently he let something slip  about the lack of visibility of  Bruce at training.

Go on...
Not much more to add, he just said he hadnít seen Bruce at training in days.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 11, 2018, 09:23:23 PM
In fairness it's because he's away scouting.

He's determined to find out what Gregg's do with the leftovers at the end of the day.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Steve67 on September 11, 2018, 10:00:24 PM
In fairness it's because he's away scouting.

He's determined to find out what Gregg's do with the leftovers at the end of the day.

Yeah, scouting a 38 year old that he used to play golf with!!
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: ozzjim on September 11, 2018, 10:11:23 PM
Bruce went to Moscow to scout out the hospitals to beg JT, all the while not realising he was in Rome. Poor Steve. Only just got over chasing Joe Bryan to Fulham now this.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Clampy on September 12, 2018, 08:27:57 AM
Apparently he let something slip  about the lack of visibility of  Bruce at training.

Go on...
Not much more to add, he just said he hadnít seen Bruce at training in days.

I wonder if it's because a fair few of the squad are on international duty?
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Mortimer's Bear on September 12, 2018, 08:54:24 AM
I ended up taking my lad to this, El Ghazi seemed pleasant enough and took time to speak to him rather than just sign an autograph.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on September 12, 2018, 09:43:12 AM
Apparently he let something slip  about the lack of visibility of  Bruce at training.

Go on...
Not much more to add, he just said he hadnít seen Bruce at training in days.

I wonder if it's because a fair few of the squad are on international duty?

Thereís still more than enough players there to make training sessions worthwhile. Maybe Iím old fashioned but Iíd rather see Bruce working his ass off to belatedly kickstart our season (and save his own job) rather than treat himself to another holiday in Portugal.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on September 12, 2018, 04:56:24 PM


I was under the impression the coaches took training not Bruce anyway.

Is that not the case ?
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: chrisw1 on September 12, 2018, 05:46:25 PM


I was under the impression the coaches took training not Bruce anyway.

Is that not the case ?
He should be there whether he takes it or not.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Hookeysmith on September 12, 2018, 06:01:25 PM
This is in no way support of Bruce but the likes of MON hardly ever was at training. He designed and developed the way He wanted to play and the coaches drilled into the players.

Now I don't think for a second tactics Steve has developed a "style " of play as yet. Well if he has he has kept it to himself
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 12, 2018, 08:03:42 PM
Warnock is like that aswell, it's an old school English coaching thing to leave most of the week to the coaches and then manager comes in a day or two before the game to assess things.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: andyh on September 12, 2018, 11:08:11 PM
I wonder how Pep manages/coaches?
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 12, 2018, 11:12:48 PM
Have a look on Amazon Prime and you'll soon see. When you do you'll probably feel it's a different sport to "put your boots on" Bruce.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: tomd2103 on September 14, 2018, 08:29:27 AM
Warnock is like that aswell, it's an old school English coaching thing to leave most of the week to the coaches and then manager comes in a day or two before the game to assess things.

I remember hearing O'Neill saying something like he felt the players would get tired of hearing his voice if he was there constantly, so he wouldn't be there all the time as he wanted his presence to have an impact and keep players on their toes.  Guess he got it from Brian Clough.   
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Hookeysmith on September 14, 2018, 12:32:22 PM
Warnock is like that aswell, it's an old school English coaching thing to leave most of the week to the coaches and then manager comes in a day or two before the game to assess things.

I remember hearing O'Neill saying something like he felt the players would get tired of hearing his voice if he was there constantly, so he wouldn't be there all the time as he wanted his presence to have an impact and keep players on their toes.  Guess he got it from Brian Clough.   

Correct and to be honest don't think its such a bad thing if the Managers philosophy can be clearly seen in the performances - but that is the point we have a team with no identity
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: eamonn on September 15, 2018, 10:55:32 AM
So what do these managers do during the days they're not training, read H&V all day at the office in VP while laughing their arses off?
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: cdbullyweefan on September 15, 2018, 11:01:30 AM
Write football-themed detective novels.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 15, 2018, 11:01:41 AM
Get spotted in kebab shops?
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on September 15, 2018, 11:04:37 AM
Spotted? or potted;)
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 15, 2018, 05:01:28 PM
So what do these managers do during the days they're not training, read H&V all day at the office in VP while laughing their arses off?

I think he posts on here too.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Risso on September 15, 2018, 05:04:05 PM
So what do these managers do during the days they're not training, read H&V all day at the office in VP while laughing their arses off?

I think he posts on here too.

Sirlordbruciemore?! ;)
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: olaftab on September 15, 2018, 05:05:26 PM
Pleased Bruce has left out this waster. He was getting a bit ahead of himself by scoring and providing assists. Obviously foreign lad doesnít know the English way so Bruce is teaching him a lesson
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Dave on September 15, 2018, 07:51:45 PM
Pleased Bruce has left out this waster. He was getting a bit ahead of himself by scoring and providing assists. Obviously foreign lad doesnít know the English way so Bruce is teaching him a lesson

Quite. Talented player turns up and is surprised that a shit manager is shit, gets binned out.

File alongside Veretout, Amavi, Adama et al.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Risso on September 15, 2018, 08:33:25 PM
It shows what Bruce thinks of him if he starts a player he was willing to let go to Boro, ahead of him.  The owners might want a more youthful, energetic, expansive team, but Bruce will always turn to what he knows.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: ChicagoLion on September 15, 2018, 08:33:53 PM
Pleased Bruce has left out this waster. He was getting a bit ahead of himself by scoring and providing assists. Obviously foreign lad doesnít know the English way so Bruce is teaching him a lesson

Quite. Talented player turns up and is surprised that a shit manager is shit, gets binned out.

File alongside Veretout, Amavi, Adama et al.
That French kid saw Bruce arranging the wheels bins on the training pitch and fucked off back to France pronto.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 15, 2018, 08:41:30 PM
Goals and assists who would want him in the team. Fuck off Bruce.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PeterWithe on September 15, 2018, 09:48:00 PM
Dunno about this, he didnít show much stomach for the fight at Sheffield, think Bruce called this one right.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 15, 2018, 11:52:23 PM
I sort of agree, think he'll be picked more for home games where we should be on the front foot.

Sounds like he disappeared in Sheffield where we had to defend and scrap so can understand for next away game why he went with Adomah and obviously Bolaise when he's fully fit.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Matt Collins on September 16, 2018, 06:06:51 AM
Yeah I hope he'll start w Kodjia and Abraham in a proper front three on Tuesday
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Clampy on September 17, 2018, 08:33:38 AM
Dunno about this, he didnít show much stomach for the fight at Sheffield, think Bruce called this one right.

I think that's a tad unfair. He wasn't any worse than anyone else up at Sheffield and it was only his second game with us.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: cdbullyweefan on September 17, 2018, 09:24:05 AM
And he scored.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: brontebilly on September 17, 2018, 09:27:02 AM
Dunno about this, he didnít show much stomach for the fight at Sheffield, think Bruce called this one right.

Three subs that came on also were lively. Starting with Elmo on right wing is effectively wasting a sub though
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on September 17, 2018, 11:47:53 AM
Dunno about this, he didnít show much stomach for the fight at Sheffield, think Bruce called this one right.

Three subs that came on also were lively. Starting with Elmo on right wing is effectively wasting a sub though

Agree, he should be RB instead of Hutton
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: dcdavecollett on September 17, 2018, 10:20:10 PM
Hate to agree with a Bruce fan, but I do.

I shall have to go to bed without supper, now.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on September 17, 2018, 10:34:01 PM
Dunno about this, he didnít show much stomach for the fight at Sheffield, think Bruce called this one right.

Three subs that came on also were lively. Starting with Elmo on right wing is effectively wasting a sub though

Agree, he should be RB instead of Hutton

Yes. Largely because Hutton should be LB instead of Taylor
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Matt Collins on September 19, 2018, 05:59:57 AM
He was pretty poor v Rotherham I thought . Confidence issue?

Can't see him starting in the next couple of games
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: tomd2103 on September 19, 2018, 08:17:34 AM
He was pretty poor v Rotherham I thought . Confidence issue?

Can't see him starting in the next couple of games

I thought he did OK last night Matt, but it is clear he is going to need some time to settle and get up to speed. 
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Matt Collins on September 20, 2018, 06:52:31 AM
I'm not castigating him. It's good to have options

But I'd expect adomah to come in on Saturday
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: olaftab on September 20, 2018, 09:23:17 AM
Bolasie should definitely play ahead of him and Adomah on Saturday.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on September 20, 2018, 01:29:35 PM
Dunno about this, he didnít show much stomach for the fight at Sheffield, think Bruce called this one right.

Three subs that came on also were lively. Starting with Elmo on right wing is effectively wasting a sub though

Agree, he should be RB instead of Hutton

Yes. Largely because Hutton should be LB instead of Taylor


Hutton shouldn't be anywhere near the team full stop

Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 20, 2018, 04:07:26 PM
Dunno about this, he didnít show much stomach for the fight at Sheffield, think Bruce called this one right.

Three subs that came on also were lively. Starting with Elmo on right wing is effectively wasting a sub though

Agree, he should be RB instead of Hutton

Yes. Largely because Hutton should be LB instead of Taylor


Hutton shouldn't be anywhere near the team full stop

Blame the manager.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Matt Collins on September 22, 2018, 06:59:12 AM
Bolasie isn't going to start for a couple more weeks at least I think
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Hookeysmith on October 23, 2018, 05:51:23 PM
Not in squad Saturday yet Hogan was on bench.

Another victim of Bruces scattergun approach to player procurement or do we see him fitting into our improved shape?

Was he away on international duty or did Dean have him for a few days?
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: TheMalandro on October 23, 2018, 06:30:05 PM
I hope he has a good attitude, he has the quality.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: kieron on October 23, 2018, 06:52:48 PM
In tonight's 18.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Rigadon on October 23, 2018, 09:55:52 PM
The new Bosko?
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 23, 2018, 09:59:48 PM
Considering he's already scored and got an assist and didn't cost £15-20m*, then no.

*Based on what we paid for Bosko back then.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Rigadon on October 23, 2018, 10:01:31 PM
But based on him looking like a player who has tricked his way into a professional team, then possibly yes.  But I do take your point on the transfer fee!  Maybe Tonev is a better comparison.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: aj2k77 on October 23, 2018, 10:02:41 PM
Doesn't look like he has the fight in him to play in this league. A real light weight pansy in my eyes.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: manic-road on October 23, 2018, 10:04:26 PM
Back to being El Khazi again tonight, proper toilet when he came on.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: in exile on October 23, 2018, 10:05:12 PM
Awful tonight
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 23, 2018, 10:05:26 PM
He was poor be he was also integral to two of very few chances in the second half. The cross that was just too high for Hogan, and the pass that put Taylor in the the cross. Needs to be a lot better clearly, but he can improve.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: The_ads on October 23, 2018, 10:13:44 PM
Letís not dress it up. Heís absolutely terrible
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Des Little on October 23, 2018, 10:14:05 PM
Unfit and lacking motivation. Not a great combo....I hope he doesnít appear in 2019 calendar because I donít think heíll be here come Feb unless he pulls his finger out.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 23, 2018, 10:17:14 PM
I donít know about motivation, he looked like he was trying to me.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: SoccerHQ on October 23, 2018, 10:20:49 PM
Amazed at all the people who were going mad about him after the first couple of games.

I know he scored a couple and set up the goal v Reading but instantly to me gave the impression of a player who had plenty of flicks and tricks but wasn't overly interested in physical duels and gave me the impression he'd go missing when the going got tough, particularly away from home.

Think his game since have born that out, I imagine we can just send him back end of the season and it's not a loan to buy....I hope.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Risso on October 23, 2018, 10:24:36 PM
Bag of wank. Carles Gil without the skill.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Matt Collins on October 23, 2018, 10:46:23 PM
For 30 mins I thought he was breathtakingly bad

He actually did improve last ten minutes

But I don't expect to see him again for a while unless the injured really are mounting up

Still did more than Hogan though
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: The_ads on October 23, 2018, 10:52:53 PM
No one, absolutely fucking nobody, will tell me OíHare hasnít got more ability than this joker. Get rid....return to fucking sender
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: mr underhill on October 24, 2018, 05:31:24 AM
yep as egregious as the other winger we didn't need but paid through the nose for anyway. Another Bruce masterclass in fuckwittery.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Villafirst on October 24, 2018, 06:48:12 AM
Disappointed with El Ghazi. For a fairly big guy he's incredibly weak and easily brushed off the ball. Bruce was stupid to sign him and Bolasie on big wages. We'd be better off developing  Andre Green and saving a fortune on wages.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Ads on October 24, 2018, 08:26:20 AM
First game since 1st September after a goal and assist in a new league.

No minutes in 7 weeks and we have people writing him off when he's chucked in and will need time.

Typical dead head Villa all round.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Three Spires Villa on October 24, 2018, 08:50:12 AM
Well, its certainly up to him to prove us wrong
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: themossman on October 24, 2018, 08:57:55 AM
First game since 1st September after a goal and assist in a new league.

No minutes in 7 weeks and we have people writing him off when he's chucked in and will need time.

Typical dead head Villa all round.

Yeah agree. Poor performance but given the shit show we're emerging from to write him off is just stupid. That's like writing off Smith because of his subs last night.

AEG looked very frustrated to me last night, especially after his overhit deliveries. Which suggests a player who knows he is better than his current performances, which makes me optimistic.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Ads on October 24, 2018, 09:03:24 AM
He one that Elmo nearly got on the end of was a beauty. I didn't notice any frustration, but you could see what he wanted to do, he just lacked sharpness to execute it.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: themossman on October 24, 2018, 09:13:29 AM
I guess the point is he looked like a better player than his performance, certainly not worth bundling in with the likes of Taylor who just aren't good enough.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Rigadon on October 24, 2018, 09:35:46 AM
He looked way off the pace of it to me, but maybe it looked different at the game itself.  The fact he hadnít had a look in since he came here, plus a dire performance last night makes me nervous, notí dead headedí.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Risso on October 24, 2018, 04:20:44 PM
I wouldn't expect to see him playing again any time soon.  Last night was shocking how poor he was.  If Bolasie is coming back into the squad I expect it'll be at El Ghazi's expense.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: brontebilly on October 24, 2018, 06:19:48 PM
Disappointed with El Ghazi. For a fairly big guy he's incredibly weak and easily brushed off the ball. Bruce was stupid to sign him and Bolasie on big wages. We'd be better off developing  Andre Green and saving a fortune on wages.

Widely reported Moreira and El Ghazi were board signings. Doubt Bruce wanted them at all.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 24, 2018, 06:19:50 PM
He one that Elmo nearly got on the end of was a beauty. I didn't notice any frustration, but you could see what he wanted to do, he just lacked sharpness to execute it.

Yeah that was my view, I felt he was almost trying too hard.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: aj2k77 on October 24, 2018, 08:15:37 PM
I fail to see what question or weakness El Ghazi was the answer to. When looking at our squad one of the last things needed was another  wide player. Feels like one of those just because we can signings, that always cost us a lot of dough for very little return.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: paul_e on October 24, 2018, 09:42:25 PM
I fail to see what question or weakness El Ghazi was the answer to. When looking at our squad one of the last things needed was another  wide player. Feels like one of those just because we can signings, that always cost us a lot of dough for very little return.

When we signed him we had Green, who had put in a couple of terrible performances, Adomah who was struggling and Elmo who's ok, signing 1 wide player was perfectly reasonable, signing 2 so we could send Green on loan instead was unnecessary.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: SoccerHQ on October 26, 2018, 10:37:49 PM
Nowhere to be seen, can he be sent back in January or is it a fixed loan until June?
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on October 27, 2018, 12:56:04 AM
Recall clause but only if heís wanted by his parent club.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: adrenachrome on October 27, 2018, 02:49:24 AM
Recall clause but only if heís wanted by his parent club.

So what you are saying is that he is an orphan.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: West Derby Villan on October 27, 2018, 02:53:41 AM
Recall clause but only if heís wanted by his parent club.

So what you are saying is that he is an orphan.

First thing tonight that made me laugh, cheers!
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: mr underhill on October 27, 2018, 07:28:09 AM
It's goodnight from me. Bye bye Anwar.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 27, 2018, 08:42:53 AM
To be fair heís one of a number of players not playing well. He shouldnít just be discarded.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Clark W Griswold on October 27, 2018, 08:47:03 AM
We might as well have not bothered and hung on to the slightly less ineffective Green. At least he's our player.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 28, 2018, 09:53:58 PM
Looked good tonight, great finish. Well done Anwar.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 28, 2018, 10:24:42 PM
Interestingly we played Yeovil recently in a behind closed doors friendly and he scored 4.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Steve67 on November 28, 2018, 10:27:22 PM
Lovely goal.  Still a bit of a headless chicken but a talent that's for sure.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Matt Collins on November 28, 2018, 11:06:35 PM
I'd given up on him but he looked a huge threat today
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 28, 2018, 11:07:41 PM
Not been a huge fan so far but good goal and seemed keen to really impress. Might've done enough to get a start on Saturday ahead of Kodj.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: dcdavecollett on November 29, 2018, 05:47:25 PM
Superb first touch to set up the chance and an excellent finish, first right, then left.

Wonderful!!
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: dave shelley on November 29, 2018, 06:03:31 PM
I have to admit that I wasn't expecting much when he came on but was pleasantly surprised.  Great goal.  I'm guessing he could be benefitting from  decent coaching.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on November 29, 2018, 06:39:23 PM
Well he came through the ranks at Ajax, and I know they're not the force they once were but I believe their coaching set-up still has a very good reputation. Lord only knows what he must have made of Bruce's training sessions.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: eamonn on November 29, 2018, 08:13:50 PM
Real style in the finish, reminded me of Gil.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: AV82EC on November 29, 2018, 09:09:39 PM
Lovely little cameo last night, good wing play, good movement, created stuff for others and a beautifully struck goal.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on November 29, 2018, 09:13:22 PM
My mates been giving me stick after me saying he was going to have great impact when I first seen him. Now DS has given him a chance and he was class I think we are going to be impressed with what he has in the locker ......
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Axl Rose on November 29, 2018, 09:34:03 PM
I liked how our players celebrated with him.

I think he's probably had a tough time since he arrived, and they were showing him a bit of love.

Good stuff.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 29, 2018, 09:37:32 PM
Didnít he get dropped after Sheffield United having been the only player to come out of that game with any credit at all? Another victim of Bruceís outstanding man management and coaching. He was fucked off and has been reintegrated into the fold. Thereís a very decent player in there.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 29, 2018, 09:53:14 PM
Well he came through the ranks at Ajax, and I know they're not the force they once were but I believe their coaching set-up still has a very good reputation. Lord only knows what he must have made of Bruce's training sessions.

No doubt he's got excellent technique but when I saw him play for Reading I noticed he didn't really challenge for headers in duels and also didn't want physical contact when challenging for the ball so get the feeling that's why we haven't seen him much so far.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on November 29, 2018, 10:02:49 PM
Well he came through the ranks at Ajax, and I know they're not the force they once were but I believe their coaching set-up still has a very good reputation. Lord only knows what he must have made of Bruce's training sessions.

No doubt he's got excellent technique but when I saw him play for Reading I noticed he didn't really challenge for headers in duels and also didn't want physical contact when challenging for the ball so get the feeling that's why we haven't seen him much so far.

You sure you didnít dream that? Donít think heís ever played for Reading.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Axl Rose on November 29, 2018, 10:06:42 PM
Didnít he get dropped after Sheffield United having been the only player to come out of that game with any credit at all? Another victim of Bruceís outstanding man management and coaching. He was fucked off and has been reintegrated into the fold. Thereís a very decent player in there.

I agree. With Smith at the helm now, I reckon we'll start seeing the best of Anwar.

A very good, Ajax supporting mate is still in love with him, and reckons we've got a player. I certainly trust his judgement over that of a negative potato.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: olaftab on November 29, 2018, 10:09:59 PM
Lille is twinned with Reading so an easy confusion ;)
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: olaftab on November 29, 2018, 10:19:44 PM
Superb first touch to set up the chance and an excellent finish, first right, then left.

Wonderful!!
That was precision. Watching from Upper North I was right in line and shouted "goal" as soon as bll left his feet.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 29, 2018, 10:32:40 PM
Well he came through the ranks at Ajax, and I know they're not the force they once were but I believe their coaching set-up still has a very good reputation. Lord only knows what he must have made of Bruce's training sessions.

No doubt he's got excellent technique but when I saw him play for Reading I noticed he didn't really challenge for headers in duels and also didn't want physical contact when challenging for the ball so get the feeling that's why we haven't seen him much so far.

You're confusing him with Dave Kitson.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 29, 2018, 11:35:49 PM
He's thinking of Bacuna.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: KevinGage on November 29, 2018, 11:48:33 PM
Looked promising on his full debut and has already chipped in with two cracking goals despite limited game time.

The talent is there, but his attitude in training and so forth is harder to quantify.

I can live with a mercurial winger, it's the nature of the beast.  A mercurial keeper is harder to work around.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Matt Collins on November 30, 2018, 06:06:30 AM
Smith said he's been training hard

Shouldn't forget that forest left him one v one. Which Smith said he was surprised by

Boro won't be doing that
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Ads on November 30, 2018, 07:06:04 AM
It's hard to imagine Boro being anymore compact though with their shape.

It will be more physical with Friend and Shotton at full back.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: CT on November 30, 2018, 08:25:48 AM
Amongst all the mayhem of Wednesday night, it was only the next day I realised what a sublime first touch he had for his goal. That ball is just killed before the final shot.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: chrisw1 on November 30, 2018, 09:54:34 AM
Amongst all the mayhem of Wednesday night, it was only the next day I realised what a sublime first touch he had for his goal. That ball is just killed before the final shot.
It was a superb goal, great control, very little backlift.  The finish reminded me of Ronaldo (no other comparisons between the players before people spit their tea out!)
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: olaftab on November 30, 2018, 12:28:18 PM
Smith said he's been training hard

Shouldn't forget that forest left him one v one. Which Smith said he was surprised by

Boro won't be doing that
That means Boro canít do that with Grealish, Kodjia and Bolasie at the same time.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Matt Collins on November 30, 2018, 02:25:51 PM
They'll double up their wingers against ours. Cash and lolley stayed high up the pitch
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 30, 2018, 08:36:16 PM
Well he came through the ranks at Ajax, and I know they're not the force they once were but I believe their coaching set-up still has a very good reputation. Lord only knows what he must have made of Bruce's training sessions.

No doubt he's got excellent technique but when I saw him play for Reading I noticed he didn't really challenge for headers in duels and also didn't want physical contact when challenging for the ball so get the feeling that's why we haven't seen him much so far.

You sure you didnít dream that? Donít think heís ever played for Reading.

Versus Reading I meant, his debut.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 30, 2018, 08:39:45 PM
It's hard to imagine Boro being anymore compact though with their shape.

It will be more physical with Friend and Shotton at full back.

Pulis been even more defensive than usual this season. Against Derby at home they had Ayala, Flint and Fry as their back 3, McNair and Friend as the defensive wing backs and then Besic, Adam Clayton and Howson as three deep sitting midfielders. Downing supported Assombalonga in attack

Seems to have even given up on playing out and out wingers as he did at Stoke.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 30, 2018, 09:41:58 PM
It's hard to imagine Boro being anymore compact though with their shape.

It will be more physical with Friend and Shotton at full back.

Pulis been even more defensive than usual this season. Against Derby at home they had Ayala, Flint and Fry as their back 3, McNair and Friend as the defensive wing backs and then Besic, Adam Clayton and Howson as three deep sitting midfielders. Downing supported Assombalonga in attack

Seems to have even given up on playing out and out wingers as he did at Stoke.

I think Martin O'Neill was his Beatles. Since MON decided to jack it all off and form Wings with Roy 'Linda' Keane in Ireland, Pulis has gone all nihilist. Don't be surprised if he goes a bit Charles Manson in the League Cup.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: wittonwarrior on November 30, 2018, 10:25:16 PM
A good impact player at best
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 30, 2018, 10:26:40 PM
Charles Manson? What an impact though.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Mister E on December 01, 2018, 11:22:12 AM
A good impact player at best
El Ghazi looked better on Wednesday night than previous appearances - he put in one or two great crosses and scored a super goal. Maybe he'll come good; at least for this division.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: TheMalandro on December 01, 2018, 07:31:11 PM
I thought he had a great game today. Probably deserved man of the match more than Hourihane.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Risso on December 01, 2018, 07:32:56 PM
Agreed, he was great. Full of running and good decision making.  What an embarrassment of attacking riches we have.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 01, 2018, 07:34:55 PM
The one bit of credit to give spuddy is he brought in some very good attacking players even if he didn't have a clue how to use them properly.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Ian. on December 01, 2018, 07:35:52 PM
Agreed, he was great. Full of running and good decision making.  What an embarrassment of attacking riches we have.
Itís just incredible the bloke who bought them had no intention of attacking. Absolutely bonkers how easily Smith is making this look!
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 01, 2018, 07:58:09 PM
Delighted to see him playing well and enjoying the game.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Brassneck on December 01, 2018, 08:01:49 PM
Fantastic performance.

This can only be good for the team/squad as he looked an improvement on kodjia today.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Clampy on December 01, 2018, 08:24:06 PM
Thought he was excellent tonight. The only downside was that it meant moving Bolasie over to the left where I don't think he's as effective.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Ads on December 01, 2018, 10:59:35 PM
We do appear to have pulled a top quality operator into recognition that we'd all forgot about.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on December 02, 2018, 12:29:05 AM
A few weeks ago against Norwich I thought he was a complete bottle job.  Once again just look at what good, solid, intense coaching does.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 02, 2018, 01:59:19 AM
A few weeks ago against Norwich I thought he was a complete bottle job.  Once again just look at what good, solid, intense coaching does.

Not just coaching. Providing someone with inspiration, having belief in them and encouraging them to express themselves helps a lot. He looks like heís loving it out there.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Axl Rose on December 02, 2018, 02:55:20 AM
What a player he looked last night. Quick feet, energy, gliding past players like a mini Ronaldo at times. I like him.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: themossman on December 02, 2018, 09:32:04 AM
Yep he was great. Pause for a minute and imagine youíve had the ball nicked off you by Tammy and you look up and El Ghazi, McGinn, jack and Bolasie are coming at you.

On the flip side I donít like his pointy sideboards.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Nastylee on December 02, 2018, 09:46:13 AM
Amazing what players can do with a plan rather than go out, give 100% and we'll see what happens. He looked full of energy but what pleased me most was his willingness to track back and he won the ball back a number of times. Hitting usefulness at just the right time.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Ads on December 02, 2018, 09:48:29 AM
Smith said he took on a lot of tactical information which was self evident from his excellent performance.

It cuts both ways that though; that's our manager...giving out tactical knowledge. *hits floor*
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Nastylee on December 02, 2018, 09:51:28 AM
It does seem Bruce's mentality was to compete and just hope one of our quality players would pull a rabbit out of the bag. When it worked it looked good but there's no consistency in that as we have found to our cost.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: chrisw1 on December 02, 2018, 09:56:48 AM
Outstanding last night.  I hope he can keep it up as he will be a major asset.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Risso on December 02, 2018, 10:22:50 AM
There was a moment in the second half, where he gave the ball away a bit cheaply, but the way he battled to win it back instantly was very impressive indeed.  Showed a very solid, hard working side to his game, which I think all the flair players know they need to bring to the game as well as the skills.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: LeeB on December 02, 2018, 10:25:21 AM
Unlucky not to score as well, Tammy's telescopic leg taking a tap in away from him.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 02, 2018, 10:27:48 AM
It does seem Bruce's mentality was to compete and just hope one of our quality players would pull a rabbit out of the bag. When it worked it looked good but there's no consistency in that as we have found to our cost.

Well it was. His approach entirely was to buy more experienced or better quality players relative to the what our opponents could do and then leave them to win games. So at times we looked lost, without a plan and mostly average and then Snoddy wins it at Sheffield Utd. You donít have to coach or teach then.

You can fuck your fat arse off to Spain to play golf with your mates on international breaks instead of improving yourself knowing youíve done the bare minimum. A point proven by accident by El Ghazi when he revealed Bruce was rarely there. Bruce dropped him for spilling the beans

Bruce was lazy and felt he earned the right to do as little as possible. The hunger that he had at Wigan or the Noses as a younger manager was gone. He took the path of least work as our manager hoping it would be enough to see the job through.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: jwarry on December 02, 2018, 11:00:12 AM
It does seem Bruce's mentality was to compete and just hope one of our quality players would pull a rabbit out of the bag. When it worked it looked good but there's no consistency in that as we have found to our cost.

Well it was. His approach entirely was to buy more experienced or better quality players relative to the what our opponents could do and then leave them to win games. So at times we looked lost, without a plan and mostly average and then Snoddy wins it at Sheffield Utd. You donít have to coach or teach then.

You can fuck your fat arse off to Spain to play golf with your mates on international breaks instead of improving yourself knowing youíve done the bare minimum. A point proven by accident by El Ghazi when he revealed Bruce was rarely there. Bruce dropped him for spilling the beans

Bruce was lazy and felt he earned the right to do as little as possible. The hunger that he had at Wigan or the Noses as a younger manager was gone. He took the path of least work as our manager hoping it would be enough to see the job through.

More likely the world just passed him by
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Mossie Hennebry on December 07, 2018, 09:31:09 PM
Oooo.... I'm developing a little man crush on this wee lad....
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Risso on December 07, 2018, 09:33:33 PM
Oooo.... I'm developing a little man crush on this wee lad....

Wee?!  He's 6'2"!
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Mossie Hennebry on December 07, 2018, 09:53:35 PM
Oooo.... I'm developing a little man crush on this wee lad....

Wee?!  He's 6'2"!
Exactly
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: not3bad on December 07, 2018, 09:55:40 PM
Phenomenal tonight.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: brontebilly on December 07, 2018, 10:03:38 PM
his second goal showed outstanding technical quality, 2 keepers wouldnt have saved it
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 07, 2018, 10:05:10 PM
Played well and shows why you shouldn't write a player off after a few games, especially when that player is being 'coached' by Bruce and his lot.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 07, 2018, 10:09:22 PM
What a player. Excellent.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Rigadon on December 07, 2018, 10:12:02 PM
I had major doubts.  I was 100% wrong.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Villafirst on December 07, 2018, 10:16:08 PM
I was wrong, especially after Norwich. Hopefully we'll sign him at the end of the season - we have the option. No brainer!
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Uknowthescore on December 07, 2018, 10:30:46 PM
Move over jack my sons got a new favourite player. Some off his tricks and skills were an absolute joy to watch
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 07, 2018, 10:33:06 PM
https://twitter.com/mcguinnessav/status/1071167714692132865
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 07, 2018, 10:35:19 PM
https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1071153153742172162
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Ad@m on December 07, 2018, 10:42:52 PM
https://twitter.com/mcguinnessav/status/1071167714692132865

That was a thing of beauty! He absolutely rinsed Gibbs all night!
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 07, 2018, 10:59:58 PM
Heís got a massive amount of talent, if there is an agreed fee we should get it done.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Axl Rose on December 07, 2018, 11:01:03 PM
I think he's a cracking player.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Steve67 on December 07, 2018, 11:04:18 PM
Great for his confidence tonight.  We look so dangerous with him and Bolasie on either wing with Albert to come back too. 
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 07, 2018, 11:06:53 PM
Once they realised how good he is West Brom were terrified. Get him signed up.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Steve67 on December 07, 2018, 11:08:19 PM
Once they realised how good he is West Brom were terrified. Get him signed up.

Sign him and it frees one of the loan places up.  Good shout.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Matt Collins on December 08, 2018, 06:41:35 AM
Not sure if we can afford to pay for him ffp yet - hence the loan presumably buying him in the next financial year?
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 08, 2018, 08:34:45 AM
Well if Football Manager is right (!), his agreed fee is a bargain. £4.5 million! Obviously pinch of salt and all that.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: The_ads on December 08, 2018, 08:48:52 AM
No one, absolutely fucking nobody, will tell me OíHare hasnít got more ability than this joker. Get rid....return to fucking sender


I was wrong and happy to admit it. Just goes to show what a period of proper coaching and confidence can do as oppose to the previous manager who wouldnít have looked out of place at Jurassic Park
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: cannock villa on December 08, 2018, 09:07:48 AM
Sorry, but when did we sign Ronaldo ?
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Ads on December 08, 2018, 09:08:28 AM
He's excellent. Carries a goal threat, good in tight spaces and does what you want a wide man to do; drive at and usually through the opposition.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: VillaAlways on December 08, 2018, 09:12:33 AM
Sorry, but when did we sign Ronaldo ?
He really reminds me of him
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Neil Hawkes on December 08, 2018, 10:21:33 AM
When he took the two defenders to the touchline, then skimmed them both, was sublime.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: JUAN PABLO on December 08, 2018, 10:30:19 AM
absolute love him .  what a bonus for us as I didnt expect that from him last few games . thought we had siged a  Tonev as he had gone into wilderness for a while but we have a Holte End Ronaldo . Sign him up and let Kodja go,
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 08, 2018, 12:04:25 PM
Iíd be very keen we sign him up fast before other interest starts to be driven up.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Ads on December 08, 2018, 12:07:27 PM
He plays on the left
He plays on the right
That boy El Ghazi
Makes the Albion look shite
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: VinnieChase84 on December 08, 2018, 01:03:35 PM
I was wrong, especially after Norwich. Hopefully we'll sign him at the end of the season - we have the option. No brainer!

I think it may turn permanent in Jan to free up a loan space?
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: saunders_heroes on December 08, 2018, 01:40:42 PM
Looks a bit like Ronaldo on the ball.
Christ where has he been all season, heís been fantastic lately!
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Risso on December 08, 2018, 01:42:14 PM
When he took the two defenders to the touchline, then skimmed them both, was sublime.

Loved that, he totally left them for dead after just teasing them for a few seconds.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Ads on December 08, 2018, 02:34:03 PM
It's absurd that he's come to life in December.

All those games against weak opposition wasted, as the manager couldn't coach and inject confidence into him or give him direction.

From being ineffectual and trying to hard at Norwich, to looking far too good for this league in a month.

El Ghazi to start against the Clayheads. Bolasie is under threat from Adomah and Kodjia.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 08, 2018, 03:57:30 PM
This is why itís also important not to criticize players too quickly. Look at how many wrote him off at the start of the year. Also the criticism of Tammy has been surprising after one poor game. In fact it was mainly one terrible miss. These are young players who are going to make errors or have ups and downs as they develop. El Ghazi looks the real deal now. Under Bruce like many of our players they looked way less than that and disinterested. Thereís lots more to come from all of them.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Londonvilla on December 08, 2018, 05:11:13 PM
Sign him up.............

Anwar El Ghazi v West Bromwich Albion

Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: wittonwarrior on December 08, 2018, 05:24:38 PM
This is why itís also important not to criticize players too quickly. Look at how many wrote him off at the start of the year. Also the criticism of Tammy has been surprising after one poor game. In fact it was mainly one terrible miss. These are young players who are going to make errors or have ups and downs as they develop. El Ghazi looks the real deal now. Under Bruce like many of our players they looked way less than that and disinterested. Thereís lots more to come from all of them.

To be fair its more than one poor game.  He gives out so much effort so people look at him favourably and his goal tally is excellent, only that he is so poor in the  air for a  tall striker and he could have doubled his goal tally with a few very poor misses.  But in his  support he does get in the positions to actually hit or miss.  So I take the good with the bad
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 08, 2018, 06:11:18 PM
Looks a bit like Ronaldo on the ball.
Christ where has he been all season, heís been fantastic lately!

I suspect the reason itís taken so long is two fold. Firstly itís often difficult to come to another country and settle. If you couple that with the fact he was being managed by someone who didnít understand what coaching is and couldnít set up a team, itís hardly a surprise itís taken this long.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Steve67 on December 08, 2018, 07:37:16 PM
Also, that one terrible miss by Tammy happened because the ball in was delivered behind him. 

We are really good out wide. 
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: dave shelley on December 08, 2018, 07:38:55 PM
You can show this lad on the inside and he will do you, you can show him the outside and he will do you.  You can crowd him, and as last night showed he will do you.  If he maintains this level of improvement he is going to become some player.  He can look after himself too.  Has all the makings of something really special.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: ROBBO on December 08, 2018, 08:29:26 PM
When you watch the replay his miss wasn't as bad as at first glance the ball was behind him and he snatched at it what i am more worried about is his lack of technique in heading the ball, it is a separate skill set and if he can get it right he will be almost the complete centre forward.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Villafirst on December 08, 2018, 11:12:34 PM
When you watch the replay his miss wasn't as bad as at first glance the ball was behind him and he snatched at it what i am more worried about is his lack of technique in heading the ball, it is a separate skill set and if he can get it right he will be almost the complete centre forward.

You obviously missed his two headed goals against Forest? Oh and he only scored FOUR goals that night?
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: KRS on December 08, 2018, 11:23:04 PM
Where has he been hiding these last few months? Keep up these performances and heíll be our most important signing and player of the season. Hope he keeps it up and we make his deal permanent.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Colhint on December 09, 2018, 12:30:03 AM
Interesting question. Who could be our player of the season,not who is so far, bear in mind there is more than half a season to go.
But i'd list  Anwar, along with Jack, SJM, Axle and Tammy.

I feel pretty good thinking Pt could be anyone from five.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Matt Collins on December 09, 2018, 06:59:30 AM
Player of the season since Smith arrived would be a contest between Abraham, McGinn, tuanzebe for me
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: ktvillan on December 09, 2018, 01:18:55 PM
I think we have a potential superstar on our hands with this lad.  His look and style of running and playing is uncannily like Ronaldo, obviously not as good - yet.....
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: London Villan on December 09, 2018, 01:26:06 PM
It is some transformation since his debut.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: CT on December 09, 2018, 01:42:11 PM
I thought his debut was decent. He certainly got a good reception when he was subbed.

After that though, for whatever reasons, he's not featured until the Boro game.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: kipeye on December 09, 2018, 01:45:53 PM
Its entirely down to coaching. You could see when he came on against Norwich (I think-or maybe QPR) he struggled for the time he was on to get used to the system, but learned very quickly. He can now play with either full-back and has confidence to take players on. Still work to do in closing down the long ball, but getting better by the game.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Lastfootstamper on December 09, 2018, 01:46:10 PM
This thread is a pearler to flick back through!
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Clampy on December 09, 2018, 01:51:39 PM
I thought his debut was decent. He certainly got a good reception when he was subbed.

After that though, for whatever reasons, he's not featured until the Boro game.

He did score up at Sheffield United although forgetting that game is understandable.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: paul_e on December 09, 2018, 02:21:41 PM
Player of the season since Smith arrived would be a contest between Abraham, McGinn, tuanzebe for me

I wouldn't underestimate how important Jack has been, his contribution is massive but often 1-2 passes before the assist so it gets missed.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Colhint on December 09, 2018, 03:56:00 PM
Look at the first goal against Albion. When Anwar got the ball. there were 3 defenders in front of him. Jack made a run out wide, and 2 followed him. That;s nearly always the case. He opens up  play
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: chrisw1 on December 10, 2018, 11:14:08 AM
Its entirely down to coaching. You could see when he came on against Norwich (I think-or maybe QPR) he struggled for the time he was on to get used to the system, but learned very quickly. He can now play with either full-back and has confidence to take players on. Still work to do in closing down the long ball, but getting better by the game.
He mentioned in an interview a month or so ago he was surprised by the physicality of the Championship.  I'm sure Smith has had a part to play but it's also about him needing time to get up to speed in a new country and new league.

He looks good at the moment let's hope he can keep it up.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on December 10, 2018, 01:24:18 PM
At some point in the near future I expect Bruce (who will be back in management at say Sheffield Wednesday) to be on the Alan Brazil show spouting some shit about not being a bad judge of players and pointing to the likes of El Ghazi, Tuanzebe and McGinn as examples.  Failing to realise that he had no idea what to do with them.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: cdward on December 10, 2018, 02:10:22 PM
It's a bit like buying a Porsche or Ferrari for racing.
In the right hands, it will perform brilliantly. But put an old dinosaur behind the wheel who thinks you still need to pull out choke to get started, and you wont see it at its best.
Most managers are capable of buying a decent car, not all can get them to perform.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Deano's Mullet on December 10, 2018, 02:29:13 PM
Look at the first goal against Albion. When Anwar got the ball. there were 3 defenders in front of him. Jack made a run out wide, and 2 followed him. That;s nearly always the case. He opens up  play

At one point after his goal on Friday he was actually taking the piss out of at least two Albion defenders down their left side with his flicks, touches and nutmegs. I said to the missus it was like watching Ronaldo. Exciting player.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: dave.woodhall on December 10, 2018, 03:09:12 PM
At some point in the near future I expect Bruce (who will be back in management at say Sheffield Wednesday) to be on the Alan Brazil show spouting some shit about not being a bad judge of players and pointing to the likes of El Ghazi, Tuanzebe and McGinn as examples.  Failing to realise that he had no idea what to do with them.

I hope he does. I hope he spends the rest of his life talking about how Aston Villa's success is down to him.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Brassneck on December 15, 2018, 11:32:22 AM
I'm wondering whether this is the type of player who would cut it in the PL?

Certainly, of late, he has looked like he would do so.

I'm wondering whether it might be good business to try to sign him permanently in January?  I notice Lille signed him for 8 million Euros.  Would £6 million secure him?
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Villafirst on December 15, 2018, 02:25:49 PM
I think the option to buy fee is £4.5M. If so, a bargain....
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: eamonn on December 15, 2018, 08:19:43 PM
How did he do today? Seemed his replacement was the catalyst in us getting anything from the game.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Richard on December 15, 2018, 08:22:26 PM
Poor today and played like he thought it was too cold and wet for football !
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: willenhall villa on December 15, 2018, 08:32:09 PM
Heís set himself a higher benchmark after his Albion performance. Yes he wasnít the best but he did ok. The good thing is the substituation worked.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 15, 2018, 08:38:38 PM
Main problem was our passing was too slow in central midfield (Jack a big miss for that) so when him or Yannick got the ball they were being doubled up and that's not easy for any winger.

Last few weeks we've got it to El Ghazi quickly and he's had just the full back to beat.

Crossing from open play and also corners was awful all afternoon.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: XXVilla on December 15, 2018, 08:49:31 PM
There was a big Jack sized hole in the midfield today and it showed. We were back to Bruce days of not knowing what to do with the ball in this area.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: adrenachrome on December 15, 2018, 08:58:06 PM
There was a big Jack sized hole in the midfield today and it showed. We were back to Bruce days of not knowing what to do with the ball in this area.

He is the oil in the engine; keeps the play fluid and the opposition on their toes or kicking him.

Welcome my son
Welcome to the machine
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: themossman on December 15, 2018, 09:21:50 PM
Yeah poor today. Trickery without any end product and lost the ball regularly.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: XXVilla on December 15, 2018, 09:42:13 PM
Poor today and played like he thought it was too cold and wet for football !

Rugby weather. Barcelona would have struggled in that shit.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: themossman on December 15, 2018, 09:56:59 PM
Todayís conditions were always going to be a leveller for silky players like him. Hopefully heíll be back with a couple of worldies next week.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: exigo on December 16, 2018, 10:31:54 AM
He acknowledged his poor performance on twitter.

Not my best game.. but still unbeaten 7 games in a row. Thanks for the support @AVFCOfficial fans! See you next week. 👍
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: in exile on December 16, 2018, 11:51:22 AM
He is the oil in the engine...
The Villa engine?
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: wittonwarrior on December 16, 2018, 06:56:18 PM
There was a big Jack sized hole in the midfield today and it showed. We were back to Bruce days of not knowing what to do with the ball in this area.

You've hit the nail.  El Ghazi if fed is  good, no service poor - simple  as that .  Mind you could say the same about one or two others.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: footyskillz on January 02, 2019, 12:06:32 PM
I mentioned in Preston post match thread that have him in teal on ball, driving dribbling and shooting playing the Grealish role and in support as an attacking midfielder .

I think he would do well here and that's where Smith needs to deploy him.

Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Ad@m on January 02, 2019, 12:34:26 PM
I'd like to see him in the middle as well, although I worry he'd be a bit too "headless chicken".

His cross for the goal yesterday was excellent too, which you'd obviously lose if you brought him inside.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 02, 2019, 01:01:39 PM
Very hot and cold player.

I agree he has technique to play as number 10 so surprised DS seems to only be playing him as wide player.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Matt Collins on January 02, 2019, 03:08:02 PM
Hoping we see him or ohare as a 10 v Swansea

Not sure we will tho
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: footyskillz on January 02, 2019, 03:19:13 PM
I'd like to see him in the middle as well, although I worry he'd be a bit too "headless chicken".

His cross for the goal yesterday was excellent too, which you'd obviously lose if you brought him inside.

Granted

Smith at Brentford not one for all these crosses but has used that with squad disposal
I think was a major contrast to villa and Brentford with amount of balls into box from crosses under Bruce whilst Deano was Brentford coach.

There was a stat about it villa being top for crosses Brentford being quite the opposite

Now tammy out way maybe can look to floor play with Hogan and cute balls thru
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: robleflaneur on January 02, 2019, 03:24:36 PM
And in the naughty nineteens role swapping,let's try Keinan Davis as a centre half,strong,mobile,good in the air,won't score many own goals.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Chris Smith on January 02, 2019, 03:26:42 PM
Has he ever played in that role?

Heís got a great first touch and decent delivery but I havenít seen anything to suggest he is a a replacement for Grealish.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Matt Collins on January 02, 2019, 03:57:38 PM
I don't think he has

He just looks like he could do it to me. Expecially as a stop gap

But cant see him playing where grealish has been. More of a number 10 with two behind him
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: ozzjim on January 02, 2019, 08:29:06 PM
Have we got an option to make him permanent?
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on March 31, 2019, 01:30:43 PM
Have we got the option to buy this fella?  He‚Äôs getting better every game.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: paul_e on March 31, 2019, 02:07:35 PM
Have we got the option to buy this fella?  He‚Äôs getting better every game.

From what I remember when he signed there was a £5m option reported, I hope that's true, he's well worth it. He's been up and down form wise but there's more than enough quality there for him to be worth taking a gamble on.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 31, 2019, 02:20:55 PM
Another player who looks more confident and physically stronger.
Maybe this old fashioned idea of a manager being at the trading ground and working with players is something to do with it.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: dcdavecollett on April 01, 2019, 06:47:07 PM
Did I read somewhere that we have an obligation to buy, rather than an option?

if so, like with Scott Sinclair.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: brontebilly on April 01, 2019, 07:14:18 PM
Did I read somewhere that we have an obligation to buy, rather than an option?

if so, like with Scott Sinclair.

Its a Mendes signing isn't it, linked to our new owners?

Having a winger at this level that is equally accomplished on either foot is a big plus. Clearly a very talented player and workrate has improved. Hard pre-season to improve his conditioning and we could have a real player on our hands.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Rigadon on April 01, 2019, 07:15:42 PM
Another player who looks more confident and physically stronger.
Maybe this old fashioned idea of a manager being at the trading ground and working with players is something to do with it.

Madness.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on April 01, 2019, 07:36:28 PM


Still 50/50 for me. He's got talent but it's not shown enough during 90 minutes to warrant a decent price tag. If it's over 5m i'd be trying to back out of it.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Rigadon on April 01, 2019, 07:42:54 PM


Still 50/50 for me. He's got talent but it's not shown enough during 90 minutes to warrant a decent price tag. If it's over 5m i'd be trying to back out of it.

Know what you mean.  But I'd say it's more 70/30 in favour of keeping him as I think he could be outstanding.   
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Rigadon on April 01, 2019, 07:44:00 PM
But given I thought he was Bosko-esque, it's good I'm not in charge of player procurement / retention. 
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: garyshawsknee on April 01, 2019, 08:27:48 PM
I thought he worked his nuts off on Saturday, came back and helped out Taylor a few times, if he isn't too dear, I would keep him.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Steve67 on April 01, 2019, 08:38:56 PM
He is getting better.  If we are in this league next season, then I would absolutely keep him, although I am not sure he's good enough for the top division, yet.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Nastylee on April 01, 2019, 08:57:54 PM
I reckon he'll be a reasonable fee and probably worth taking the punt. When he's on song he's v good (Hawthorns) but does have an off day. But you could say that about 99% of young wingers so he has potential and probably worth investing in. Depends on whether Smith feels he can play his system.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: frank black on April 01, 2019, 09:00:42 PM
Setup a goal and tracked back very well. Getting better with time and coaching. Definitely sign him whichever div weíre in.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: brontebilly on April 01, 2019, 09:13:54 PM


Still 50/50 for me. He's got talent but it's not shown enough during 90 minutes to warrant a decent price tag. If it's over 5m i'd be trying to back out of it.

AA only has a year left on his contract so I'm expecting he will probably get a 2 yr contract offer elsewhere. Green still unproven. Likely we will be bringing in a player out wide even if we don't get promoted.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 01, 2019, 09:19:08 PM
Edited as when he signed the club announced 4 years so smeg knows why loads of places are saying he's out of contract in the summer!
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Brassneck on April 02, 2019, 08:33:39 AM
I agree that after January's work on rebuilding the defence, CURRENTLY, wide positions are high on the priority list of improvement.

A lot will depend on what division we are in.  Fail to gain promotion and we'll very likely lose Mings, Grealish and possibly SJM.  This will mean positions to fill all over the field.  In this scenario, El Ghazi  would be a no brainer to sign (at the reported £4 million).  Even if we went up, I would be inclined to stick with him at that price.  If he can find consistency, he will cut it in the prem - If he doesn't, his fee wouldn't be a massive outlay in the grand scheme of things.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: WRVilla on April 02, 2019, 09:16:26 AM
Iíd keep him if the fee is reasonable. We already know him and heís spent a season with these coaches in this setup. Heís a good player on his day, just needs a little bit more consistency which will hopefully come with experience. No guarantee weíll end up with a better replacement if we spend the money elsewhere.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: UK Redsox on April 02, 2019, 09:25:13 AM
Edited as when he signed the club announced 4 years so smeg knows why loads of places are saying he's out of contract in the summer!

Must admit, I thought that he was only on loan
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Dave P on April 02, 2019, 09:30:22 AM
General ability wise, I'd put him alongside Bjarnason. It's just that Bjarnason has real competition in his position whereas El Ghazi doesn't really.  Not being bad to Bjarnason as I like him as well.  El Ghazi is flourishing in a winning team at the mo and playing games.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Clark W Griswold on April 02, 2019, 09:37:15 AM
I'd put him in the 'odd glimpses of quality but generally gash' category.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Brassneck on April 02, 2019, 09:41:58 AM
Edited as when he signed the club announced 4 years so smeg knows why loads of places are saying he's out of contract in the summer!

Must admit, I thought that he was only on loan

PWS was replying to the comment about AA and whether he is on a 3 or 4 year contract.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: UK Redsox on April 02, 2019, 10:27:47 AM
Oh
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: in exile on April 03, 2019, 12:22:44 PM
It's just me that doesn't rate him then
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: fbriai on April 04, 2019, 08:34:29 AM
I like him. He's technically very good and he gets up and down a lot. He doesn't often waste possession and he has a knack for getting into good positions. He's also quick and you can see full backs are often worried he is going to run at them.

Think he has a lot of potential; he's still only 23 after all and will likely grow into being a very good player. I would definitely keep him.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Brend'Watkins on April 04, 2019, 10:40:09 AM
Keep. Will get better.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: themossman on April 04, 2019, 10:43:55 AM
Keep. I like him. No more hit and miss than most players of his age. Clearly got bags of talent.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Steve67 on April 04, 2019, 07:34:26 PM
He is improving, no doubts about it. He needs for the fans to sing his name. Once confident, he will be really good.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: SamTheMouse on April 05, 2019, 10:33:37 AM
I like him. He's technically very good and he gets up and down a lot. He doesn't often waste possession and he has a knack for getting into good positions. He's also quick and you can see full backs are often worried he is going to run at them.

Think he has a lot of potential; he's still only 23 after all and will likely grow into being a very good player. I would definitely keep him.

So would I. He's come on a lot despite only having been here a relatively short time, and he's obviously learning a lot under Smith. I'd like to see how far he can go.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: dcdavecollett on April 05, 2019, 08:41:43 PM
Love it when he runs at defenders -he doesn't do this often enough for me.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: frank black on April 13, 2019, 06:47:44 PM
Motm
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: olaftab on April 13, 2019, 06:56:03 PM
Great second half.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Rigadon on April 13, 2019, 06:57:48 PM
If he adds end product (it's coming) and consistency he could be top drawer, which is something I didn't think I'd be saying after his first couple of games. 
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 13, 2019, 06:58:31 PM
He is very confident right now. We have to try and secure his signing because he is at the right age to become a very good player
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: jwarry on April 13, 2019, 06:59:03 PM
If he adds end product (it's coming) and consistency he could be top drawer, which is something I didn't think I'd be saying after his first couple of games. 

Funnily enough I think he would be even better in the PL
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Villafirst on April 13, 2019, 07:02:19 PM
Thought he was exceptional today and he linked well with Neil Taylor down the left.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: wittonwarrior on April 13, 2019, 07:07:23 PM
Best all round performance for us no question
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: KRS on April 13, 2019, 07:12:05 PM
Looked like he had his confidence and swagger back today.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Mister E on April 13, 2019, 08:41:08 PM
Heís still developing and I love his swagger. Played really well today.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Risso on April 13, 2019, 08:56:40 PM
Heís still developing and I love his swagger. Played really well today.

I think that was his best game for us today, even though he's obviously scored in others.  He absolutely terrorised their right back from start to finish, and created an absolute mountain of chances.  That's the level of consistency we need from him, and if he can deliver it, we'll have a very good player on our hands.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 13, 2019, 10:17:11 PM
Yep letís hope we can sign him up.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: footyskillz on April 13, 2019, 10:54:27 PM
A winger such as his footy ability is able to dominate his defender when the player is pretty weak and was carded.
Anwar already decent but when he plays against less opponents then he shows he's far higher ability.
I think against Bolton he can also enjoy himself.
Has some great attributes and a decent shot on him. Well played today
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: KRS on April 13, 2019, 10:56:23 PM
Those shots he was firing in today whipped with top spin were lethal...and I still don't know how Albert and Connor managed to miss their rebounds.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: andyh on April 13, 2019, 11:01:57 PM
Absolutely agree, his best game by miles today and close to a MOTM performance.
BUT, he has got to do it more often. It been a long time since the Albion away which was the last time he was on fire and tore up the opposition.
Heís good enough to do it more often.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: LeeB on April 13, 2019, 11:10:00 PM
Did their right get a foot in once? I can't remember one, poor fucker will have PTSD after this afternoon.

It was the mother of all roastings.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: mr underhill on April 14, 2019, 09:14:41 AM
he needs more consistency, too hit and miss for me but very good yesterday.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Villafirst on April 14, 2019, 02:53:06 PM
he needs more consistency, too hit and miss for me but very good yesterday.

Consistency comes with experience. DS is probably the best type of Manager to unlock El Ghazi's undoubted talent. One player we need to sign up for next season - I believe we have the option to buy him?
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: paul_e on April 14, 2019, 06:08:06 PM
he needs more consistency, too hit and miss for me but very good yesterday.

Consistency comes with experience. DS is probably the best type of Manager to unlock El Ghazi's undoubted talent. One player we need to sign up for next season - I believe we have the option to buy him?

As per a few pages back, when he signed there was a fair bit of noise around suggesting we could make it permanent for £5m. If that's true then we'd be silly to not go for it, he has loads of potential to keep improving.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 14, 2019, 06:10:31 PM
As with all players confidence plays a big part. But I think it particularly applies to wingers. When they are short on it they hide and donít try and attack the full back. El Ghazi right now is buoyant not only taking on the full back, cutting inside with pace to attack the middle, crossing and shooting. Heís playing at a very high level right now.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on April 14, 2019, 07:50:26 PM


I'd still like to see how he plays more centrally personally as his crossing is still VERY hit and miss
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: eamonn on April 15, 2019, 07:05:17 AM
He can frustrate at times when we're not playing well, he tends to hide a bit. And their goal came from him being far too casual with a clearance and he lost possession.

But when he's on it, that Ronaldo-stance on the ball and his ability to whip in dangerous balls do make him an asset. His understanding with Conor could easily have led to a hat-trick for Hourihane.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: nigel on April 15, 2019, 08:03:27 AM
I was hoping for him to take the free kick on the edge of their area, just before HT, but Conor took the ball off him.
Had a bit of a strop, not surprising, as it was perfect for a right footer
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 22, 2019, 12:35:19 AM
https://twitter.com/villareport/status/1120092270542372871?s=12

The young defenders pants pulled down in a filthy way
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: b23 on April 28, 2019, 03:47:18 PM
Apologies if this is covered elsewhere.

The BBC Match Report clearly states that El Ghazi was mistakenly sent off against Leeds today and that he never touched Bamford, who then simulated injury.

More than reasonable grounds for an appeal I would think ?

If the simulation by Bamford is proven, can retrospective action be taken against him ?
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: AsTallAsLions on April 28, 2019, 03:55:36 PM
Apologies if this is covered elsewhere.

The BBC Match Report clearly states that El Ghazi was mistakenly sent off against Leeds today and that he never touched Bamford, who then simulated injury.

More than reasonable grounds for an appeal I would think ?

If the simulation by Bamford is proven, can retrospective action be taken against him ?

Bamford was yellow carded which unfortunately - due to the FA's positively ridiculous rules - means he can't have a ban instated.

El Ghazi's card will be overturned or Villa will kick up stink. All news sources have reported it as unjust, as did the commentators at the time.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: mike on April 28, 2019, 04:01:44 PM
Apologies if this is covered elsewhere.

The BBC Match Report clearly states that El Ghazi was mistakenly sent off against Leeds today and that he never touched Bamford, who then simulated injury.

More than reasonable grounds for an appeal I would think ?

If the simulation by Bamford is proven, can retrospective action be taken against him ?

Bamford was yellow carded which unfortunately - due to the FA's positively ridiculous rules - means he can't have a ban instated.

El Ghazi's card will be overturned or Villa will kick up stink. All news sources have reported it as unjust, as did the commentators at the time.

Bamford wasn't booked for simulation otherwise El Ghazi wouldn't have been sent off. As the ref didn't see that, it can be punished retrospectively. Whether it will be is another matter.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: KRS on April 28, 2019, 05:14:43 PM
That red card has to be rescinded. If it isn't, would it be a 1 or 3 game ban?
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 28, 2019, 05:16:04 PM
That red card has to be rescinded. If it isn't, would it be a 1 or 3 game ban?

3 match ban so would be out of both WBA games.

Hopefully we'll get it rescinded as he would be a big miss.

Dirt f***ing Leeds!
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Risso on April 28, 2019, 05:17:42 PM
That red card has to be rescinded. If it isn't, would it be a 1 or 3 game ban?

Three for violent conduct leading to a straight red.  One when it's a red for two yellows.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: taylorsworkrate on April 28, 2019, 05:21:44 PM
Its going to be rescinded.

The only way it won't is if the EFL decide trying to extricate yourself from a stranglehold is worthy of being sent off.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: London Villan on April 28, 2019, 05:23:20 PM
At the speed the efl operate heíll get it rescinded at Christmas.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: AsTallAsLions on April 28, 2019, 05:44:06 PM
Apologies if this is covered elsewhere.

The BBC Match Report clearly states that El Ghazi was mistakenly sent off against Leeds today and that he never touched Bamford, who then simulated injury.

More than reasonable grounds for an appeal I would think ?

If the simulation by Bamford is proven, can retrospective action be taken against him ?

Bamford was yellow carded which unfortunately - due to the FA's positively ridiculous rules - means he can't have a ban instated.

El Ghazi's card will be overturned or Villa will kick up stink. All news sources have reported it as unjust, as did the commentators at the time.

Bamford wasn't booked for simulation otherwise El Ghazi wouldn't have been sent off. As the ref didn't see that, it can be punished retrospectively. Whether it will be is another matter.

Not for simulation, no, but for his involvement in the fracas. Based on prior I would fully expect the EFL to rule that his conduct was dealt with in the whole, whether we agree or not
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: TheMalandro on April 28, 2019, 05:55:43 PM
Change some of these stupid rules. Punishment should be handed out if itís not seen at the time.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Risso on April 28, 2019, 05:59:53 PM
ATAL, sorry mate but that's nonsense.  That'll be overturned straight away.  You can't be red carded for "involvement in a fracas" else there'd have been nobody at all left on the pitch.  Bamford conned the officials, which was what led directly to El Ghazi being sent off.  Once it's reviewed, the red card will be rescinded.  In addition, Bamford will be charged, as the FA clearly has the power, thus:

"Where there is clear and overwhelming evidence to suggest a match official has been deceived by an act of simulation, and as a direct result, the offending playerís team has been awarded a penalty and/or an opposing player has been dismissed, The FA will be able to act retrospectively under its Fast Track system. In accepted and/or proven cases of simulation and/or feigning injury, the offending player would receive a two-match suspension."

So Bamford will probably miss their last league match and first play off game.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: AsTallAsLions on April 28, 2019, 06:03:01 PM
Wasn't aware of the two game suspension clause.

We'll see though. I have no faith at all in the FA. And in any case, as noted elsewhere, if they were to review the whole thing and start meting out punishments, there's every chance one or two of our own could be handed bans for other bits and pieces during the barmy.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: TheMalandro on April 28, 2019, 06:07:48 PM
Two games only? They should up that. It should be two games for being a c**t and whatever our players suspension wouldíve been. Plus make Leeds play with ten men for fifteen minutes.

Agree with your assessment of Elland Road. I was shocked at my first game, itís almost non league, apart from the main stand - must be twenty years since Iíve been too.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Risso on April 28, 2019, 06:16:24 PM
They charged £175 for a match ticket and a breakfast buffet.  Robbing Yorkshire bastards.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Ads on April 28, 2019, 06:20:56 PM
And it's a fucking dump.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: TheMalandro on April 28, 2019, 06:23:37 PM
They charged £175 for a match ticket and a breakfast buffet.  Robbing Yorkshire bastards.

You did start breakfast at 7am, you fat bastard 😂

(For any sensitive souls, Risso isnít fat)
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: maidstonevillain on April 28, 2019, 06:24:15 PM
They charged £175 for a match ticket and a breakfast buffet.  Robbing Yorkshire bastards.

But did that also include the meet-and-greet with St*v* H*d*e.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Risso on April 28, 2019, 06:27:33 PM
I did give him a wanker sign on the way out.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Dave on April 28, 2019, 06:44:58 PM
They charged £175 for a match ticket and a breakfast buffet.  Robbing Yorkshire bastards.

But did that also include the meet-and-greet with St*v* H*d*e.

It cost an extra £75 to not meet him.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Lastfootstamper on April 28, 2019, 07:41:31 PM
It'll be rescinded*, and we'll get fined again for failing to control our players.

*the red card, not H*dge being a wanker.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: mike on April 28, 2019, 10:47:27 PM
Two games only? They should up that. It should be two games for being a c**t and whatever our players suspension wouldíve been.

Normally I'm a Guardian reading liberal, but I quite like the idea of the FA being able to ban people retrospectively for the offence of 'being a c@@t.' Lee Bowyer and Craig Bellamy would hardly have played a match.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Steve67 on April 28, 2019, 11:18:58 PM
Some saying that El Ghazi didn't play well today.  I thought he looked to take the defender on and caused them problems without that bit of final class.  I think he's playing well and will have the red card rescinded.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: KRS on April 29, 2019, 12:24:36 AM
How many days does it usually take for the FA to sort these appeals out? I'd rather it wasn't hanging over the club and player for days waiting for them to make a decision.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 29, 2019, 12:34:40 AM
The FA will have managed to fine us twice for failing to control our players, in games 7 weeks apart, while saying nary a word about assaults on players.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Pete3206 on April 29, 2019, 12:57:25 AM
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Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Rigadon on April 29, 2019, 07:51:26 AM
The FA will have managed to fine us twice for failing to control our players, in games 7 weeks apart, while saying nary a word about assaults on players.

Yes.  I can only think they are waiting for the season to end before handing out a punishment for the Blues
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: London Villan on April 29, 2019, 09:11:26 AM
When Jack in man-marked as closely as he was yesterday AEG has got to take advantage of the space it creates. Next to Jack he is probably our most creative player.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: cdbullyweefan on April 29, 2019, 09:18:33 AM
The FA will have managed to fine us twice for failing to control our players, in games 7 weeks apart, while saying nary a word about assaults on players.

Yes.  I can only think they are waiting for the season to end before handing out a punishment for the Blues

They are taking no action, or would have done so by now.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on April 29, 2019, 09:24:54 AM
How many days does it usually take for the FA to sort these appeals out? I'd rather it wasn't hanging over the club and player for days waiting for them to make a decision.

When we played Boro the other week, Ayala was sent off on the Tuesday / Wednesday and they got it overturned (luckily IMO as it was a bad foul) in time for him to be able to play us on the Saturday.

This is the EFL though so fuck knows.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: chrisw1 on April 29, 2019, 09:43:54 AM
There's no doubt it will be over turned in plenty of time for Norwich so no need to panic about that.

I wouldn't be surprised if we get another fine for failing to control players though.  Not that I think we deserve it, but the players actions - particularly Hourihane - were far worse than against Blues.

The only silver lining is I don't see how Bamford can avoid a ban.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: danno on April 29, 2019, 09:47:41 AM
Maybe he's lethal the rest of the time, but yesterday I thought Bamford looked useless.  I thought a cast member of TOWIE had won a competition to play upfront.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Risso on April 29, 2019, 10:10:13 AM
Maybe he's lethal the rest of the time, but yesterday I thought Bamford looked useless.  I thought a cast member of TOWIE had won a competition to play upfront.

None of their fans seem to rate him very highy at all.  What with them all being gruff Yorkshire folk, he's regarded as a southern, public school ponce.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: XXVilla on April 29, 2019, 10:16:44 AM
There's no doubt it will be over turned in plenty of time for Norwich so no need to panic about that.

I wouldn't be surprised if we get another fine for failing to control players though.  Not that I think we deserve it, but the players actions - particularly Hourihane - were far worse than against Blues.

The only silver lining is I don't see how Bamford can avoid a ban.

Wasnít he given a card as a result of the incident though which means he canít be given a retrospective punishment?
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: chrisw1 on April 29, 2019, 10:22:13 AM
There's no doubt it will be over turned in plenty of time for Norwich so no need to panic about that.

I wouldn't be surprised if we get another fine for failing to control players though.  Not that I think we deserve it, but the players actions - particularly Hourihane - were far worse than against Blues.

The only silver lining is I don't see how Bamford can avoid a ban.

Wasnít he given a card as a result of the incident though which means he canít be given a retrospective punishment?
Not for simulation he wasn't.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: darren woolley on April 29, 2019, 10:23:57 AM
I hope he get's it overturned before the Norwich game and that cheat Bamford get's a three game ban instead.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Dr Butler on April 29, 2019, 10:31:55 AM
I hope he get's it overturned before the Norwich game and that cheat Bamford get's a three game ban instead.

this would only be fair in my opinion, a straight red is a 3 game ban.

UTV
The Doc
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: tomd2103 on April 29, 2019, 10:33:43 AM
Maybe he's lethal the rest of the time, but yesterday I thought Bamford looked useless.  I thought a cast member of TOWIE had won a competition to play upfront.

Think there were some stats mentioned before the game that his highest total of goals in one season is 17 and that he has managed to rack up 10 clubs by the age of 25. 
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: cheltenhamlion on April 29, 2019, 10:34:26 AM
There's no doubt it will be over turned in plenty of time for Norwich so no need to panic about that.

I wouldn't be surprised if we get another fine for failing to control players though.  Not that I think we deserve it, but the players actions - particularly Hourihane - were far worse than against Blues.

The only silver lining is I don't see how Bamford can avoid a ban.

Wasnít he given a card as a result of the incident though which means he canít be given a retrospective punishment?
Not for simulation he wasn't.

Bamford's yellow was for his assault on Hourihane, not for play acting. He can still get picked up retrospectively and should receive a 2 game ban.

El Ghazi's red will be overturned by the end of tomorrow I would imagine.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: XXVilla on April 29, 2019, 10:37:12 AM
There's no doubt it will be over turned in plenty of time for Norwich so no need to panic about that.

I wouldn't be surprised if we get another fine for failing to control players though.  Not that I think we deserve it, but the players actions - particularly Hourihane - were far worse than against Blues.

The only silver lining is I don't see how Bamford can avoid a ban.

Wasnít he given a card as a result of the incident though which means he canít be given a retrospective punishment?
Not for simulation he wasn't.

Bamford's yellow was for his assault on Hourihane, not for play acting. He can still get picked up retrospectively and should receive a 2 game ban.

El Ghazi's red will be overturned by the end of tomorrow I would imagine.

Great I hope he does.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 29, 2019, 10:56:24 AM
I hope he get's it overturned before the Norwich game and that cheat Bamford get's a three game ban instead.

I hope not. I'd prefer to see him playing up front for Leeds. He's shit.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: XXVilla on April 29, 2019, 10:59:16 AM
I hope he get's it overturned before the Norwich game and that cheat Bamford get's a three game ban instead.

I hope not. I'd prefer to see him playing up front for Leeds. He's shit.

Good point well made
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Dazvillain on April 29, 2019, 11:41:00 AM
There's no doubt it will be over turned in plenty of time for Norwich so no need to panic about that.

I wouldn't be surprised if we get another fine for failing to control players though.  Not that I think we deserve it, but the players actions - particularly Hourihane - were far worse than against Blues.

The only silver lining is I don't see how Bamford can avoid a ban.

Wasnít he given a card as a result of the incident though which means he canít be given a retrospective punishment?
Not for simulation he wasn't.

Bamford's yellow was for his assault on Hourihane, not for play acting. He can still get picked up retrospectively and should receive a 2 game ban.

El Ghazi's red will be overturned by the end of tomorrow I would imagine.
It at same time itís possible that Hourihane will get a ban for his punch to stomach / ribs
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 29, 2019, 11:42:29 AM
I hope he get's it overturned before the Norwich game and that cheat Bamford get's a three game ban instead.

I hope not. I'd prefer to see him playing up front for Leeds. He's shit.

Kemar Roofe is a much better striker for way Leeds play.

I know who I'd rather see upfront for them if we meet again in PO final.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: XXVilla on April 29, 2019, 11:46:51 AM
There's no doubt it will be over turned in plenty of time for Norwich so no need to panic about that.

I wouldn't be surprised if we get another fine for failing to control players though.  Not that I think we deserve it, but the players actions - particularly Hourihane - were far worse than against Blues.

The only silver lining is I don't see how Bamford can avoid a ban.

Wasnít he given a card as a result of the incident though which means he canít be given a retrospective punishment?
Not for simulation he wasn't.

Bamford's yellow was for his assault on Hourihane, not for play acting. He can still get picked up retrospectively and should receive a 2 game ban.

El Ghazi's red will be overturned by the end of tomorrow I would imagine.
It at same time itís possible that Hourihane will get a ban for his punch to stomach / ribs

No contact made as far a I could see. Other bloke didnít even flinch.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: cheltenhamlion on April 29, 2019, 11:53:01 AM
There's no doubt it will be over turned in plenty of time for Norwich so no need to panic about that.

I wouldn't be surprised if we get another fine for failing to control players though.  Not that I think we deserve it, but the players actions - particularly Hourihane - were far worse than against Blues.

The only silver lining is I don't see how Bamford can avoid a ban.

Wasnít he given a card as a result of the incident though which means he canít be given a retrospective punishment?
Not for simulation he wasn't.

Bamford's yellow was for his assault on Hourihane, not for play acting. He can still get picked up retrospectively and should receive a 2 game ban.

El Ghazi's red will be overturned by the end of tomorrow I would imagine.
It at same time itís possible that Hourihane will get a ban for his punch to stomach / ribs

That is quite possible as well.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 29, 2019, 11:57:05 AM
I hope he get's it overturned before the Norwich game and that cheat Bamford get's a three game ban instead.

I hope not. I'd prefer to see him playing up front for Leeds. He's shit.

Kemar Roofe is a much better striker for way Leeds play.

I know who I'd rather see upfront for them if we meet again in PO final.

Oh indeed. Roofe was rushed back last week when he came off the bench and it was embarrassing to see how poor he was. It was like watching a pub player.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Dave on April 29, 2019, 01:56:03 PM
I hope he get's it overturned before the Norwich game and that cheat Bamford get's a three game ban instead.

this would only be fair in my opinion, a straight red is a 3 game ban.

UTV
The Doc

For some offences it is - for others it's a one match ban.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 29, 2019, 02:13:20 PM
There's no doubt it will be over turned in plenty of time for Norwich so no need to panic about that.

I wouldn't be surprised if we get another fine for failing to control players though.  Not that I think we deserve it, but the players actions - particularly Hourihane - were far worse than against Blues.

The only silver lining is I don't see how Bamford can avoid a ban.

Wasnít he given a card as a result of the incident though which means he canít be given a retrospective punishment?
Not for simulation he wasn't.

Bamford's yellow was for his assault on Hourihane, not for play acting. He can still get picked up retrospectively and should receive a 2 game ban.

El Ghazi's red will be overturned by the end of tomorrow I would imagine.
It at same time itís possible that Hourihane will get a ban for his punch to stomach / ribs

That is quite possible as well.

If the ref or linesman had seen Hourihane do that he might have been sent off for violent conduct. You can't just go up and jab a bloke in the ribs. That was a twat thing to do as much as he was defending his teammates.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: XXVilla on April 29, 2019, 02:23:37 PM
There's no doubt it will be over turned in plenty of time for Norwich so no need to panic about that.

I wouldn't be surprised if we get another fine for failing to control players though.  Not that I think we deserve it, but the players actions - particularly Hourihane - were far worse than against Blues.

The only silver lining is I don't see how Bamford can avoid a ban.

Wasnít he given a card as a result of the incident though which means he canít be given a retrospective punishment?
Not for simulation he wasn't.

Bamford's yellow was for his assault on Hourihane, not for play acting. He can still get picked up retrospectively and should receive a 2 game ban.

El Ghazi's red will be overturned by the end of tomorrow I would imagine.
It at same time itís possible that Hourihane will get a ban for his punch to stomach / ribs

That is quite possible as well.

If the ref or linesman had seen Hourihane do that he might have been sent off for violent conduct. You can't just go up and jab a bloke in the ribs. That was a twat thing to do as much as he was defending his teammates.

Iím not sure he did really. The bloke didnít even flinch
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: KRS on April 29, 2019, 02:31:34 PM
Well the incidents are now being analysed on SSN, and I get the feeling the following will happen on official review:

1. El Ghazi red card rescinded.
2. Bamford charged with deceiving officials and receive 2 game ban.
3. Hourihane charge with violent conduct and possible 3 game ban.
3. Both teams charged with failing to control players and fined.

I agree the ďpunchĒ was a nonsense and was so soft that their player didnít react, however I think they will charge him for the action and intent.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: AsTallAsLions on April 29, 2019, 02:40:54 PM
Well the incidents are now being analysed on SSN, and I get the feeling the following will happen on official review:

1. El Ghazi red card rescinded.
2. Bamford charged with deceiving officials and receive 2 game ban.
3. Hourihane charge with violent conduct and possible 3 game ban.
3. Both teams charged with failing to control players and fined.

I agree the ďpunchĒ was a nonsense and was so soft that their player didnít react, however I think they will charge him for the action and intent.

Agreed in principle, but a 2 match ban to equal Bamford's. It would be a massive fuck you from the FA to Villa if they took our request for a review and turned that into banning our player for longer than the Leeds lad. I'm not saying they wouldn't do it as they are daft eejits at the best of times, but I'd like to think some level of common sense would prevail.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Damo70 on April 29, 2019, 02:47:40 PM
Well the incidents are now being analysed on SSN, and I get the feeling the following will happen on official review:

1. El Ghazi red card rescinded.
2. Bamford charged with deceiving officials and receive 2 game ban.
3. Hourihane charge with violent conduct and possible 3 game ban.
3. Both teams charged with failing to control players and fined.

I agree the ďpunchĒ was a nonsense and was so soft that their player didnít react, however I think they will charge him for the action and intent.

Agreed in principle, but a 2 match ban to equal Bamford's. It would be a massive fuck you from the FA to Villa if they took our request for a review and turned that into banning our player for longer than the Leeds lad. I'm not saying they wouldn't do it as they are daft eejits at the best of times, but I'd like to think some level of common sense would prevail.


Didn't Lee Hendrie get banned for an incident at Manchester City years ago when he did a headbutt gesture to the opposition player, even though he didn't make contact and clearly didn't intend to?
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: KRS on April 29, 2019, 03:06:45 PM
Well the incidents are now being analysed on SSN, and I get the feeling the following will happen on official review:

1. El Ghazi red card rescinded.
2. Bamford charged with deceiving officials and receive 2 game ban.
3. Hourihane charge with violent conduct and possible 3 game ban.
3. Both teams charged with failing to control players and fined.

I agree the ďpunchĒ was a nonsense and was so soft that their player didnít react, however I think they will charge him for the action and intent.

Agreed in principle, but a 2 match ban to equal Bamford's. It would be a massive fuck you from the FA to Villa if they took our request for a review and turned that into banning our player for longer than the Leeds lad. I'm not saying they wouldn't do it as they are daft eejits at the best of times, but I'd like to think some level of common sense would prevail.
I agree and think it should be no more than 1 game ban for Hourihane if they do charge him given that the action and footage is inconclusive (ie their player didn't react so he may not have made contact or it could have been a point/prod gesture as we can't see his fist). If it was a 3 game ban then the club should most certainly appeal.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 29, 2019, 03:29:15 PM
violent conduct is a 3 match ban, he only punched him softly isn't really much of a defence.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: AsTallAsLions on April 29, 2019, 03:33:13 PM
violent conduct is a 3 match ban, he only punched him softly isn't really much of a defence.

Has he punched him? The more I see it the less it looks right to me. He appears to swing his arm like he's throwing a bit of a strop and then opens his hand at the end. Like he's pushing him rather punching. Which would make more sense given the total lack of reaction - you'd expect a bit of light shoving but not a fist, however soft. I don't think there's a single player who'd show no reaction if he knew someone had just swung a fist at him.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 29, 2019, 03:37:30 PM
He goes to punch him, that the player hardly reacts is a credit to him but doesn't change it being violent conduct, I really don't get why anyone is trying to defend that. If that had been a sha player on Jack there'd almost certainly be zero attempts on here to play it down.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: AsTallAsLions on April 29, 2019, 03:40:59 PM
He goes to punch him, that the player hardly reacts is a credit to him but doesn't change it being violent conduct, I really don't get why anyone is trying to defend that. If that had been a sha player on Jack there'd almost certainly be zero attempts on here to play it down.

"He goes to punch him"

What does that even mean? Has he punched him or not, in your view?

If he has, why the total lack of reaction?
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: wittonwarrior on April 29, 2019, 03:42:45 PM
Personally I think El Ghazi will get his red  card rescinded and the clubs will be charged with failing to control their players end of.

Connor and Bambi got yellow cards so the argument will be that the ref saw the incident and that will be that.

Leeds remains as a stained football club all these years on, well done Don Revie you created a prick of a monster and you would be welcome at the Sty any day.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 29, 2019, 03:44:28 PM
He goes to punch him, that the player hardly reacts is a credit to him but doesn't change it being violent conduct, I really don't get why anyone is trying to defend that. If that had been a sha player on Jack there'd almost certainly be zero attempts on here to play it down.

"He goes to punch him"

What does that even mean? Has he punched him or not, in your view?

If he has, why the total lack of reaction?

Yes but he started to pull it when he realised what he was doing, so it's violent conduct. The whole he hardly hit him is such a shit defence just because it's a Villa player that I reckon PH came up with it.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 29, 2019, 03:51:25 PM
If they both got booked which I think they did, can the FA still act retrospectively?
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Lastfootstamper on April 29, 2019, 03:52:05 PM
Edited, KRS just answered my question.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Smithy on April 29, 2019, 03:52:25 PM
If they both got booked which I think they did, can the FA still act retrospectively?

They can if the booking was for something else, i.e. the FA can act on something not seen by the officials at the time.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 29, 2019, 03:54:28 PM
If they both got booked which I think they did, can the FA still act retrospectively?

I think the cheating can be done retrospectively regardless of a booking, I assume Hotlips was done for the original scuffle and not the punch, or 'punch' depending on your point of view, so can be done as well.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: KRS on April 29, 2019, 03:55:40 PM
From what's been said today, a player can be charged for actions/incidents that the ref didn't see at the time (ie the "punch"). The charge for deceiving match officials isn't dependent on whether a player was been previously booked, and is subject to an independent panel further to the red card being rescinded.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: XXVilla on April 30, 2019, 02:52:31 PM
Red card rescinded
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Brend'Watkins on April 30, 2019, 03:02:35 PM
Whatever punishment is now dished out to Bamford you can be assured Hourihane will get the same.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Nev on April 30, 2019, 03:20:02 PM
Percy form the Terriblegraph reckons there will be no action against Conor so I would imagine Bampuss will not be subject to anything further.

It should just be left now.

I see Fat Cu..erm I mean Sam has added to the "play to the whistle" shit. Hush up Fat Boy, how about another gallon of wine?
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: mr underhill on April 30, 2019, 03:34:07 PM
Bamford looks just like one of those soft blokes Buggerallmoney would take the piss out of, like.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: KRS on April 30, 2019, 03:50:24 PM
Red card rescinded
Where has this been officially confirmed? Any links?
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Risso on April 30, 2019, 04:03:00 PM
Red card rescinded

Where's that news from?
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: AsTallAsLions on April 30, 2019, 04:03:57 PM
Don't see this actually reported anywhere. (Yet at least).
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Villafirst on April 30, 2019, 04:08:42 PM
John Percy (Telegraph) confirmed it. And sounds like no action over Conor. Good News if true....
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Risso on April 30, 2019, 04:12:04 PM
John Perry (Telegraph) confirmed it. And sounds like no action over Conor. Good News if true....

Assuming you mean John Percy, where has he said anything?  Nothing on his Telegraph or Twitter page about it.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Towser on April 30, 2019, 04:12:35 PM
This was Percy's tweet

(https://i.ibb.co/2ZhsNb2/IMG-4319.png) (https://ibb.co/2ZhsNb2)
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Risso on April 30, 2019, 04:15:17 PM
He's either deleted it then, or it's fake.  Either would suggest nothing official is out.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Towser on April 30, 2019, 04:31:10 PM
Villa just tweeted to confirm red card but nothing on Conor yet
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: kieron on April 30, 2019, 04:33:03 PM
https://twitter.com/JPercyTelegraph/status/1123248236939100160

#lufc striker Patrick Bamford has been charged with ďsuccessful deception of a match officialĒ by the FA & is facing a 2-match ban. #avfc winger Anwar El Ghaziís ďred cardĒ for violent conduct has been rescinded. No retrospective action will be taken against Conor Hourihane
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Walmley_Villa on April 30, 2019, 04:35:18 PM
From the FA Site

"Anwar El Ghazi will be available for Aston Villaís next three matches after a claim of wrongful dismissal was upheld by an Independent Regulatory Commission. The forward was sent off for violent conduct during the EFL Championship fixture against Leeds United on Sunday [28/04/2019].

Patrick Bamford has subsequently been charged with Ďsuccessful deception of a match officialí. It is alleged the Leeds United playerís behaviour in the 72nd minute of the fixture, which involved committing a clear act of simulation that led to Anwar El Ghazi being dismissed, amounts to improper conduct. The forward has until 18:00 on Wednesday [01/05/2019] to respond to the charge.   

In addition, Leeds United and Aston Villa have been charged with a breach of FA Rule E20. It is alleged they failed to ensure their players conducted themselves in an orderly fashion during the 72nd minute of the fixture. Both clubs have until 18:00 on Friday [03/05/2019] to provide a response."
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: kieron on April 30, 2019, 04:38:08 PM
https://twitter.com/henrywinter/status/1123249048926994432

El Ghazi red card rightly rescinded. Bamford rightly charged for ďsuccessful deception of a match officialĒ. #LUFC and #AVFC inevitably charged over ďfailure to ensure their players conducted themselves in an orderly fashionĒ. Statement from ⁦@FA⁩ https://twitter.com/henrywinter/status/1123249048926994432/photo/1
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Risso on April 30, 2019, 04:47:53 PM
Excellent, and all exactly as expected.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: frank black on April 30, 2019, 04:51:07 PM
Yep Banford ban 2 games minimum I expect.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: KRS on April 30, 2019, 04:55:12 PM
Excellent news...especially if no further action to be taken against Hourihane.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Richard E on April 30, 2019, 05:08:11 PM
Heartless of the FA to posthumously charge Bamford. Let the poor guy rest in peace.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Lastfootstamper on April 30, 2019, 05:14:13 PM
What else did people think Hourihane would get done for? I'd not looked back at it since Sunday, but reading various tweeted replies to Henry Winter's piece prompted me to do so. From what I can see, he neither grabs Klich round the throat nor punches him, doesn't even swing a punch.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: chrisw1 on April 30, 2019, 05:18:28 PM
What else did people think Hourihane would get done for? I'd not looked back at it since Sunday, but reading various tweeted replies to Henry Winter's piece prompted me to do so. From what I can see, he neither grabs Klich round the throat nor punches him, doesn't even swing a punch.
There's a video of him making a sharp jab towards Kliche's stomach / chest which has been interpreted by many as a punch.  There's comment that Klich doesn't react, but to be fair he does, he kind of spins away after the 'poke'
https://twitter.com/LeedsInShetland/status/1122525239022432256
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: chrisw1 on April 30, 2019, 05:26:40 PM
I know by definition most football fans are partisan and I'm sure I have claret & blue specs along with the rest of you, but even so I have been pretty dismayed at how one eyed Leeds fans have generally been over the whole affair.  Granted most accept Bamford was out of order (how could you not?) but loads are still aggrieved by Jack 'diving all over the place,' feel playing on was perfectly reasonable (whereas under the specific circumstances most people in football seem to think it was a disgrace) and are convinced Hourihane is Mike Tyson reincarnated.

Most fans think the world is against them (look at us with WM, Kalinic work permit, Beattie tapping up etc) but their 'woe me' attitude takes things to another level given their team and Bamfords conduct on Sunday. 
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: ktvillan on April 30, 2019, 06:00:07 PM
I suspect Hourihane got away with any further punishment because he was booked for his part in the fracas, so it was deemed to have been dealt with by the ref.  Bamford was too, but the simulation was not dealt with by the ref hence the retrospective ban.   Hourihane was pretty aggressive during the whole thing and can perhaps consider himself lucky to only end up with a yellow.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: hilts_coolerking on April 30, 2019, 06:22:46 PM
I suspect Hourihane got away with any further punishment because he was booked for his part in the fracas, so it was deemed to have been dealt with by the ref.  Bamford was too, but the simulation was not dealt with by the ref hence the retrospective ban.   Hourihane was pretty aggressive during the whole thing and can perhaps consider himself lucky to only end up with a yellow.
Agreed.  It was full on red mist and he raised his hands which is usually a big no no.  I think he can count himself lucky.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Steve67 on April 30, 2019, 06:22:54 PM
The old adage 'cheats never prosper' is alive and well.  Bamford deserves what he gets.  El Ghazi has been in good form.  Long may it continue. 
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: themossman on April 30, 2019, 06:48:05 PM
I know by definition most football fans are partisan and I'm sure I have claret & blue specs along with the rest of you, but even so I have been pretty dismayed at how one eyed Leeds fans have generally been over the whole affair.  Granted most accept Bamford was out of order (how could you not?) but loads are still aggrieved by Jack 'diving all over the place,' feel playing on was perfectly reasonable (whereas under the specific circumstances most people in football seem to think it was a disgrace) and are convinced Hourihane is Mike Tyson reincarnated.

Most fans think the world is against them (look at us with WM, Kalinic work permit, Beattie tapping up etc) but their 'woe me' attitude takes things to another level given their team and Bamfords conduct on Sunday.

Because theyíre ******.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Meanwood Villa on April 30, 2019, 08:52:16 PM
I suspect Hourihane got away with any further punishment because he was booked for his part in the fracas, so it was deemed to have been dealt with by the ref.  Bamford was too, but the simulation was not dealt with by the ref hence the retrospective ban.   Hourihane was pretty aggressive during the whole thing and can perhaps consider himself lucky to only end up with a yellow.
Agreed.  It was full on red mist and he raised his hands which is usually a big no no.  I think he can count himself lucky.

Yeah that's pretty much where i'm with it too. You can't retrospectively increase the punishment for something the ref has already punished but perhaps Conor should have got a red at the time. I guess ref was never going to send two off.

Leeds fans have been very one eyed about it though. Pisses me off when Jack gets pelters for diving when pricks kick lumps out of him every week.

Just realised nothing about El Ghazi in this post!
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: tim on May 01, 2019, 08:14:19 AM
If Bamford does appeal, would that mean he's eligible to play the next 2 games whilst the appeal is heard?
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on May 01, 2019, 08:17:56 AM
So we've been charged twice in a season with failing to control our players - guessing that will escalate the punishment a bit?
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: frank black on May 01, 2019, 08:25:12 AM
So we've been charged twice in a season with failing to control our players - guessing that will escalate the punishment a bit?


Ironically if we had controlled our players we wouldnít have equalised straight away. But we wouldnít have had a sending off
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Clampy on May 01, 2019, 08:30:09 AM
If Bamford does appeal, would that mean he's eligible to play the next 2 games whilst the appeal is heard?


I wouldn't bother if I was him. He'd just make himself look even more of a twat than he already has.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: tim on May 01, 2019, 08:43:15 AM
If Bamford does appeal, would that mean he's eligible to play the next 2 games whilst the appeal is heard?


I wouldn't bother if I was him. He'd just make himself look even more of a twat than he already has.
Indeed he would, but if it means some input into the play-offs, then I wouldn't be surprised if he did...
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: dave shelley on May 01, 2019, 09:47:33 AM
If Bamford does appeal, would that mean he's eligible to play the next 2 games whilst the appeal is heard?


If he does it will prove he has no more brain than your average Nose.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: XXVilla on May 01, 2019, 09:57:55 AM
Appeals cost money. Iím not sure Leeds will want to throw good after bad chasing a lost cause.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: KRS on May 01, 2019, 05:11:02 PM
Any appeal would be dealt with quite rapidly...I doubt he'd want to risk missing the second leg and potentially the playoff final instead of their last game of the season and first leg.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Colhint on May 02, 2019, 09:53:48 PM
I think they will claim mistaken Identity, I reckon Arya Stark clocked him
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 11, 2019, 03:48:48 PM
Bumping this one up. This lad has been quite brilliant for a couple of months now. Full backs hate that he is brimming with confidence and loves to attack constantly. Well done again today on a very good display. Hope his injury is minor and heís fit for Tuesday.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: achilles on May 11, 2019, 04:00:23 PM
Thought he was MOM for me today, constantly looking to take the fullback on, really positive.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: paul_e on May 11, 2019, 04:04:36 PM
I agree, I thought he was very good today, a left back who can cross and take on a man behind him would be great to see because he makes defenders commit themselves.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Rotterdam on May 11, 2019, 06:11:26 PM
Ditto.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: frank black on May 11, 2019, 06:13:55 PM
They didnít like it up em did they. Rabbits in headlights against Anwar and this should be exploited. Shame we are not as dangerous on both sides of the pitch.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 11, 2019, 06:23:15 PM
Thought he was good. When we were struggling he was one of the few really playing with energy.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: themossman on May 11, 2019, 06:30:57 PM
Probably the best player during our shit spell. End product often lacking but heís lovely to watch cutting in and running at defenders and always ties up players
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 11, 2019, 06:40:44 PM
He was good first half, little bit more quiet second but he's a real threat when he's on the ball now.

If you asked me even in February I'd have said no chance signing him full time but he has done well last two months and been a key player in the run. Clearly a player who is beginning to click from the coaching on training ground so yes worth signing for 5m especially as we'll lose an attacking player or two this summer.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Risso on May 11, 2019, 06:48:24 PM
I thought he was our best player today.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Villafirst on May 11, 2019, 07:00:59 PM
He was down a long time but no obvious injury as such? Hopefully ok for Tuesday?
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 11, 2019, 07:09:37 PM
Yes fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Ian. on May 11, 2019, 07:48:35 PM
He was superb today, so good to have players who can create and change a game especially if we have a couple not quite on form. I hope we sign this fella.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Big Dick Edwards on May 11, 2019, 08:11:01 PM
Fair play to him. He's observing Ramadan so is fasting. Deano said he was just knackered at the end rather than injured.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: villan from luton on May 11, 2019, 08:36:17 PM
He was certainly one of our better players again today and have to respect his religious beliefs. Bit worried about Tuesday, he will have fasted for longer.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Ads on May 11, 2019, 08:44:22 PM
He was certainly one of our better players again today and have to respect his religious beliefs. Bit worried about Tuesday, he will have fasted for longer.

It's a night game so he can take on food.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: villan from luton on May 11, 2019, 08:53:32 PM
He was certainly one of our better players again today and have to respect his religious beliefs. Bit worried about Tuesday, he will have fasted for longer.

It's a night game so he can take on food.

From what time though, not sure when tbh?
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: purpletrousers on May 11, 2019, 08:54:06 PM
First half will be right at the end of the fast though which will be tough, though eg Brum Central Mosqueís Iftar is 8.56pm that day, no idea which heíd go by, but he should be able to eat right before the 2nd half, and maybe the odd snack during 2nd, Iím sure they are on the case.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Pete3206 on May 11, 2019, 09:49:26 PM
He worked his knankers off today. Big future in the game and if not with us, I wish him all the very best.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 11, 2019, 09:56:06 PM
I hope it is with us. For the agreed fee heís a bargain.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: villan from luton on May 11, 2019, 09:58:35 PM
Muslim mate says 9pm, but Deano says they have been monitoring things apparently. He was excellent today and against a team that need to win I think he will be superb again
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 11, 2019, 10:06:43 PM
Fair play to him. He's observing Ramadan so is fasting. Deano said he was just knackered at the end rather than injured.

Completely forgot about that. Means he couldnít even accept water. Thatís hard. Makes his display al the more impressive.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 11, 2019, 10:16:16 PM
Fair play to him. He's observing Ramadan so is fasting. Deano said he was just knackered at the end rather than injured.

Impressive effort, he worked bloody hard.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on May 11, 2019, 10:20:01 PM
Fair play to him. He's observing Ramadan so is fasting. Deano said he was just knackered at the end rather than injured.

Completely forgot about that. Means he couldnít even accept water. Thatís hard. Makes his display al the more impressive.

Presumably Elmo was affected too.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: The_ads on May 11, 2019, 10:37:07 PM
He was my MOTM today, direct and hard working, looked a threat every time he had ball
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: London Villan on May 11, 2019, 10:53:48 PM
Fair play to him (or both of them). Canít have been easy.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: olaftab on May 12, 2019, 11:34:33 AM
Fair play to him. He's observing Ramadan so is fasting. Deano said he was just knackered at the end rather than injured.

Completely forgot about that. Means he couldnít even accept water. Thatís hard. Makes his display al the more impressive.

Presumably Elmo was affected too.
Yes that's correct from what I have been told. Anwar and Ahmed are fasting. Tuesday night will be more difficult as at 8PM they would be about 7 hours further into the fast than yesterday. Dean and Villa nutritional  staff have to think around that.
One  idea could be to bench El Ghazi and as fast ends around 8.50 PM he will be ready for  the second half?
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 12, 2019, 02:23:40 PM
Fair play to him. He's observing Ramadan so is fasting. Deano said he was just knackered at the end rather than injured.

Completely forgot about that. Means he couldnít even accept water. Thatís hard. Makes his display al the more impressive.

Presumably Elmo was affected too.
Yes that's correct from what I have been told. Anwar and Ahmed are fasting. Tuesday night will be more difficult as at 8PM they would be about 7 hours further into the fast than yesterday. Dean and Villa nutritional  staff have to think around that.
One  idea could be to bench El Ghazi and as fast ends around 8.50 PM he will be ready for  the second half?

It can't surely be reasonable to ask them to start the game if they haven't eaten anything all day ahead of an evening kickoff? It also sounds like a bad idea to do so from a football perspective.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Risso on May 12, 2019, 02:30:13 PM
Grrrrr, religious sky fairy nonsense.....
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: TheMalandro on May 12, 2019, 02:58:54 PM
The problem is more about water. Iíd rest him.

Iím not sure we can rest Elmo. Although, Hutton is decent in these sort of games.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: cdbullyweefan on May 12, 2019, 03:15:59 PM
I think some Imams think it's acceptable to break fast when you are playing sport, so long as you make up for it at some point. Opinion is divided, though. Either way, neither AAG or Elmo looked affected yesterday, they will at least be able to drink water on Tuesday night, regardless. Albeit they won't have had anything to eat for about seventeen hours.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: paul_e on May 12, 2019, 03:39:02 PM
Fair play to him. He's observing Ramadan so is fasting. Deano said he was just knackered at the end rather than injured.

Completely forgot about that. Means he couldnít even accept water. Thatís hard. Makes his display al the more impressive.

Presumably Elmo was affected too.
Yes that's correct from what I have been told. Anwar and Ahmed are fasting. Tuesday night will be more difficult as at 8PM they would be about 7 hours further into the fast than yesterday. Dean and Villa nutritional  staff have to think around that.
One  idea could be to bench El Ghazi and as fast ends around 8.50 PM he will be ready for  the second half?

It can't surely be reasonable to ask them to start the game if they haven't eaten anything all day ahead of an evening kickoff? It also sounds like a bad idea to do so from a football perspective.

Surely i's up to them, if they're happy to play and confident that they can perform then they play, if they have concerns then we work with them to sort it out, seems pretty simple.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: olaftab on May 12, 2019, 06:35:30 PM
I think some Imams think it's acceptable to break fast when you are playing sport, so long as you make up for it at some point. Opinion is divided, though. Either way, neither AAG or Elmo looked affected yesterday, they will at least be able to drink water on Tuesday night, regardless. Albeit they won't have had anything to eat for about seventeen hours.
Yes so and I will try to explain as much as I can.
Assuming that the  players follow the religious scripture that provides the direction to fast it also offers mitigation in several scenarios. One being "If it hinders you from working in your field (in this case literally your farm where food is cultivated to provide for your family) and carrying out other necessary duties". In that case is not necessary for them to fast but exercise other options available to them one being providing food for a prescribed number of needy people. However some people believe it is not a choice based on strong belief and sight examples of followers in early days fasting whilst fighting the enemy and they believe it will affect their performance adversely if they didn't.
El Ghazi probably had his best game for us yesterday and ElMohamady was also very competent.
Last Wednesday evening both Ziyech and Mazraoui playing for Ajax were fasting when the game started. Ziyech was probably the best player on the pitch. In the 24th minute of the match, based on local sunset timing,  they both had nutritional tubes handed to them by Ajax staff.
As I said on Tuesday sun set in Birmingham is at about 8.55 so that means they will have to play the entire first half on a fast at about 17.5 hours. They will believe if the Dutch guys could do it they can as as well.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Risso on May 12, 2019, 06:39:26 PM
What do they do in the Arctic Circle where the sun never sets?
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Richard E on May 12, 2019, 06:42:00 PM
What do they do in the Arctic Circle where the sun never sets?

Die.

Or alternatively:-
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/277834/
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: cdbullyweefan on May 12, 2019, 06:48:05 PM
What do they do in the Arctic Circle where the sun never sets?

Fast according to the times in Mecca or the nearest "Muslim country".

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/277834/&ved=2ahUKEwjJ68_vxZbiAhV0URUIHXDSCUwQFjABegQIAhAB&usg=AOvVaw1Vic_HxJHK2ftcDvmfGkaQ&ampcf=1
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 12, 2019, 07:01:20 PM
We'e got a club chaplain. Can't we get a club iman to tell them Allah says it's okay?
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: olaftab on May 12, 2019, 07:08:03 PM
So I am not aware of our Artician friends struggle but I have lived in Gothenburg and can tell you what happens there. In June for example sun typically sets close to 12.00 midnight.  They  follow two  paths. One is as described by CD above. Second one followed by holier than though brigade is to drink and eat once a day  in that very small gap at midnight after sunsets and before it rises. 21/22 June you have to be quick :). They also have great difficulty with prayer timetables but I will leave that for a discussion on another day. 
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: purpletrousers on May 12, 2019, 07:10:37 PM
Grrrrr, religious sky fairy nonsense.....

Not massively thoughtful Risso. Obviously I think about this stuff as itís my job to, but have you ever (had the chance to) ask/ed someone why they fast?

If it was an away fixture further away the travel exemption also might come into play but enemy lines are pretty close to home in this case. Thanks for sharing the work citation Aftab.

Has anyone ever had any contact with the clubís Chaplains Revs Philip Nott & Ken Baker?

This sort of thread always makes me think of the Billy Bragg song, God's Footballer, inspired by Wolvesí Peter Knowles.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: purpletrousers on May 12, 2019, 07:18:36 PM
We'e got a club chaplain. Can't we get a club iman to tell them Allah says it's okay?
Only the Christian guys as far as I know. Personally I think they need a Buddhist one who could teach the players meditation and keep an eye on mental health issues. Just saying like.

I do have an Imam that works for me whoís very understanding ;)

Actually I saw a car parked on the way to the ground recently with an ?Oxfordshire NHS Chaplaincy parking pass in the window. Presuming s/he wasnít Milwall, would appreciate some networking with fellow Villa Chaplain if anybody knows who that is? 
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: olaftab on May 12, 2019, 07:29:38 PM
There is a well known saying that loses some impact in translation that sort of says "Where there is a will you will find an Imam who will". There are enough Imams around Aston so I am sure the Club can find one who can "correctly" guide the players ;)
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on May 12, 2019, 08:06:49 PM
Surely itís the same for Hegazi for the baggies?  He played okay yesterday.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Ads on May 12, 2019, 08:13:16 PM
Is it connected to sleep? Smith mentioned we'd been  monitoring his sleep.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 12, 2019, 08:17:19 PM
Surely itís the same for Hegazi for the baggies?  He played okay yesterday.

It was a lunchtime kickoff.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 12, 2019, 08:20:39 PM
All this starving yourself bullshit.

I'll never understand the absolutely nuts things religion makes people do.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Risso on May 12, 2019, 08:27:55 PM
Grrrrr, religious sky fairy nonsense.....

Not massively thoughtful Risso. Obviously I think about this stuff as itís my job to, but have you ever (had the chance to) ask/ed someone why they fast?

If it was an away fixture further away the travel exemption also might come into play but enemy lines are pretty close to home in this case. Thanks for sharing the work citation Aftab.

Has anyone ever had any contact with the clubís Chaplains Revs Philip Nott & Ken Baker?

This sort of thread always makes me think of the Billy Bragg song, God's Footballer, inspired by Wolvesí Peter Knowles.


I'm not a fan of any organised religion to be honest.  But yes, I'm aware of what fasting is based on.  I did it for a day with a friend on the IOM once, then went along for the post-fasting scran, which was great, although disappointingly lacking in beer to wash it down! ;)
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: WarszaVillan82 on May 12, 2019, 08:33:27 PM
All this starving yourself bullshit.

I'll never understand the absolutely nuts things religion makes people do.

It has fantastic marketing potential in the wider dieting market, what with the fasting diet fads. A monthly fast and then a curry blow out.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: olaftab on May 12, 2019, 08:44:35 PM
Is it connected to sleep? Smith mentioned we'd been  monitoring his sleep.
Fasting results in disturbed sleep. Pattern is you break fast at around 9PM. Dinner will take around 45 minutes. After that you will either relax at home or go to the mosque for an elongated prayer. This will finish around midnight. Return home and go to sleep but wake up at 3AM for breakfast. This is your meal to start fast for next day. Post that you may go back to bed or do other things till your work day starts. So ensuring a players sleeps adequately is a must I would think.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Gary Penrice on May 12, 2019, 08:55:07 PM
Religion getting in the way of your job......sorry but its a no from me!!
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: cdbullyweefan on May 12, 2019, 08:57:16 PM
It hasn't. He played.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: SheffieldVillain on May 12, 2019, 09:17:13 PM
And had a very good game.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Bad English on May 12, 2019, 09:28:38 PM
Surely itís the same for Hegazi for the baggies?  He played okay yesterday.
Yes, he had plenty of energy to slide in on Adomah for his booking.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: purpletrousers on May 12, 2019, 10:26:02 PM
Is it connected to sleep? Smith mentioned we'd been  monitoring his sleep.

Itís not uncommon for some patients in the community Iíve worked with to go a bit nocturnal, especially when Ramadan is around the longest & hottest days.

I guess it would be possible to plan ahead and shift sleep patterns around, maybe if training is in the mornings especially, a longer afternoon nap might work to conserve...

Jokes aside, whatever dispensation/guidance could be aquired, itís always going to be down to the individual as to whether they take up guidance or feel deep down they arenít being true to themselves, especially if others around are fasting.

Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 12, 2019, 10:31:12 PM
It is of course, also possible that (and I impugn nobody or anything except my own cynical mind here) that sportspeople who consider themselves ambassadors for their (unfairly maligned) communities, would want to outwardly project their solidarity with those communities whilst at the same time loading on carbs so that they can, in all good faith, fuck the Albion!
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: mallo on May 12, 2019, 10:38:45 PM
Iím sure heíll be busting a gut to play, which is what we would expect of any player. If heís not the best player on the day to be picked then that is up to deano - nothing else needs to be considered.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: mike on May 12, 2019, 10:48:09 PM
I understand there is some flexibility around Ramadan, such as fasting at a more appropriate time if you are ill, travelling etc, but a reasonably devout Muslim will not use those as excuses if not genuine. I think it's also frowned on to sleep all day and eat loads at night. I have worked with Muslim guys who have been absolutely bollocksed by the end of Ramadan when the days are this long. I find it hard to see how they can perform to a high standard on Tuesday. Hutton is an OK replacement for El Mohammedy, but I can't see an obvious replacement for El Ghazi.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: cdbullyweefan on May 12, 2019, 11:52:22 PM
Why replace players that played well just because you have decided that they won't be physically fit despite the evidence to the contrary... such as the fact they both played well?
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: adrenachrome on May 13, 2019, 12:55:14 AM
Why replace players that played well just because you have decided that they won't be physically fit despite the evidence to the contrary... such as the fact they both played well?

I know for a fact that the sports scientists have all manner of gizmos to monitor players' metabolisms and vital signs, and I further know that Dean Smith is ahead of the curve with regards to this one.

Lots of things to worry about if you are inclined to worry, but this is not one them.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: mike on May 13, 2019, 06:43:59 AM
Why replace players that played well just because you have decided that they won't be physically fit despite the evidence to the contrary... such as the fact they both played well?

They were only a few hours into the fast on Saturday.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Clampy on May 13, 2019, 06:47:16 AM
If the player felt he was ok to play then that's fine. He had a decent game though I thought. Obviously it's not ideal preparation but it didn't seem to effect his game too much.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Risso on May 13, 2019, 09:07:12 AM
Why replace players that played well just because you have decided that they won't be physically fit despite the evidence to the contrary... such as the fact they both played well?

The point is that tomorrow is an evening kick off, so it'll be an extra 7Ĺ hours without food or water.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: cdbullyweefan on May 13, 2019, 10:27:09 AM
They can take on food and water at half-time. Presumably they've dealt with this before and don't consider it a problem. Seems a bit odd to decide it is a problem on their behalf, and you leave yourselves open to legal action if you decide to drop players based on their religious beliefs.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Risso on May 13, 2019, 10:42:04 AM
They can take on food and water at half-time. Presumably they've dealt with this before and don't consider it a problem. Seems a bit odd to decide it is a problem on their behalf, and you leave yourselves open to legal action if you decide to drop players based on their religious beliefs.

I'm not deciding it will be a problem, I just hope it won't be in our most important game of the season so far. Anwar has been our most consistent attacking threat of late, and I just hope he isn't negatively affected by not having been able to eat or drink for 16 (or however many hours) before the game.  Hydration for an athlete is so important, it's hard to see how fasting for that long wouldn't have an effect.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Brend'Watkins on May 13, 2019, 10:47:44 AM
Players eat very little on the day of a game. I suggest he has a banquet up till the point he can still eat, plenty of carbs just like marathon runners do the day before a race so the energy is released when required. My only concern is dehydration but he can sort that out at half time.  Besides, we'll have a our nutritionists on the case making sure he's okay.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: cdbullyweefan on May 13, 2019, 10:48:55 AM
I couldn't do it myself, but then again I struggle to get to lunchtime without a snack and I work sitting at a desk...

He presumably feels he will be okay, though, and has likely had to face the same issues in previous seasons. The second half would, presumably, be the half in which players are more fatigued and both AAG and Elmo can eat and drink at half-time to boost their energy.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: TaxDodger on May 13, 2019, 10:50:56 AM
They can take on food and water at half-time. Presumably they've dealt with this before and don't consider it a problem. Seems a bit odd to decide it is a problem on their behalf, and you leave yourselves open to legal action if you decide to drop players based on their religious beliefs.

My girlfriend is currently fasting. The time she can eat/drink goes back by a few minutes each day. It'll be around 8.50 tomorrow I think, so after half time. Apparently you're allowed to eat/drink if you're going on a 'journey', which seems very much open to interpretation. She used this avoid around fasting before a job interview, so a massively important football match might also count. Having said that, she drinks more than I do, so I imagine Anwar is a considerably more devout Muslim!
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 13, 2019, 10:57:09 AM
I imagine, as it was this weekend, it will be a case of the players being asked how they feel prior to the game and making a sensible collective decision. We have players who can come in and do a job. Mind you of the two Iíd be more concerned about replacing Elmo.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Lastfootstamper on May 13, 2019, 10:58:21 AM
8 o'clock kick off, Dodger. They'll still be in the changing room.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: St AustellAVFC on May 13, 2019, 11:20:13 AM
When I was at school all the lads I did PE with weíre allowed sips of water during and after sport. Iím not sure if this was just a school policy as they were young lads.
Anyways, heíll play, heíll score and we will win.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: olaftab on May 13, 2019, 11:30:41 AM
The best example is this case is what happened with Ajax players in the CL semi final  last Wednesday. Ziyech and Mazraoui started the game that kicked off at 8PM but were able to take some nutrition  at 24 minutes into the match. For our guys  and Hegazi it's going to be 8.55 tomorrow. I am assuming that the Ajax staff "managed" their players' wellbeing before and during the match. I have no doubt that Villa back room staff will be just as professional.
This is not a unique situation by any means. There were possibly 13 players  in a similar position during the England v Pakistan one day match on Saturday. During the Cricket World Cup starting in couple of weeks almost every Country taking part will be affected.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: olaftab on May 13, 2019, 11:47:02 AM
They can take on food and water at half-time. Presumably they've dealt with this before and don't consider it a problem. Seems a bit odd to decide it is a problem on their behalf, and you leave yourselves open to legal action if you decide to drop players based on their religious beliefs.
This will not happen. There are lot of do's and don'ts that kick in during Ramadan. It is actually more restrictive mentally than physically. Purpose being to cleanse your self and set good habits for the rest of the year. During fast your personal conduct must be exemplarily. Threatening someone or taking an aggressive stance just because you are fasting invalidates your fast. Instruction there is do not fast if fasting is going to impinge on your chosen way of providing a living for yourself and your family.  There are dispensations and alternatives available to remedy this for individuals.

What's more likely is that it will probably do more harm than good if players were forced not to fast. Remember it's the belief that is supreme here.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Risso on May 13, 2019, 11:49:44 AM
We'll all let him off if he decides to not be that devout for the evening, right?  Playing his part in warding off the forces of evil from Smethwick is surely a godly enough endeavour.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: paul_e on May 13, 2019, 11:50:47 AM
Isn't there something about skipping your fast for work reasons and 'paying it forward' by doing charitable work instead? I know a few people in Bergen who both follow the Mecca timings and do charity work because they feel that they're cheating otherwise.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: olaftab on May 13, 2019, 12:21:21 PM
We'll all let him off if he decides to not be that devout for the evening, right?  Playing his part in warding off the forces of evil from Smethwick is surely a godly enough endeavour.
In the book first verse of Chapter 31 starts with : Fuck the Albion. Need I say more.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Bad English on May 13, 2019, 12:21:38 PM
Apparently you're allowed to eat/drink if you're going on a 'journey', which seems very much open to interpretation
Well, El Ghazi is going on a trip to Sandwell which is the second stop on our journey to the Premier League. My interpretation is therefore: Elmo and Anwar, fill your boots like it is is 05/06/2019!
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: olaftab on May 13, 2019, 12:23:28 PM
Isn't there something about skipping your fast for work reasons and 'paying it forward' by doing charitable work instead? I know a few people in Bergen who both follow the Mecca timings and do charity work because they feel that they're cheating otherwise.
Yes all of that  and more as mentioned previously.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Risso on May 13, 2019, 12:25:30 PM
We'll all let him off if he decides to not be that devout for the evening, right?  Playing his part in warding off the forces of evil from Smethwick is surely a godly enough endeavour.
In the book first verse of Chapter 31 starts with : Fuck the Albion. Need I say more.

Though at as much!

Ramadan Mubarak Aftab!
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: West Derby Villan on May 13, 2019, 08:17:31 PM
We'll all let him off if he decides to not be that devout for the evening, right?  Playing his part in warding off the forces of evil from Smethwick is surely a godly enough endeavour.
In the book first verse of Chapter 31 starts with : Fuck the Albion. Need I say more.

Brilliant !
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: four fornicholl on May 13, 2019, 08:35:30 PM
Do vitamin supplements etc, pills and injections, count?
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: olaftab on May 13, 2019, 08:37:59 PM
Ramadan Mubarak Aftab!
Thank you.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: olaftab on May 13, 2019, 08:40:31 PM
Do vitamin supplements etc, pills and injections, count?
Not allowed unless itís necessary prescribed medicine.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Hookeysmith on May 13, 2019, 08:49:58 PM
Are there any Christian players that do not play on Sundays or Easter weekend?
Any Jewish players that will not play on Fridays?


The way sky fuck about with the fixtures there must be other players effected by their religious beliefs clashing with football.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: purpletrousers on May 13, 2019, 08:59:44 PM
Are there any Christian players that do not play on Sundays or Easter weekend?
Any Jewish players that will not play on Fridays?


The way sky fuck about with the fixtures there must be other players effected by their religious beliefs clashing with football.

Some vague refs here, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_and_association_football
Missing a rather key 1874 foundation if anybody can be bothered to put it right?
Also references Peter Knowles / Bragg song I mentioned a few pages back.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: four fornicholl on May 13, 2019, 09:03:34 PM
I remember Johnathan Edwards refusing to jump once. I think.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Richard E on May 13, 2019, 09:05:13 PM
I remember Johnathan Edwards refusing to jump once. I think.

And then becoming an atheist!
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 13, 2019, 09:20:09 PM
A story most probably don't know.

Quote
FOOTBALLER Simon Burgher could have been exchanging passes with Stan Collymore and Dwight Yorke in the Premiership.

He could be wining and dining in the second city's finest restaurants and driving round in an open top sports car on a mammoth salary.

But the 31-year-old turned his back on a superstar lifestyle at Villa Park to follow God.

The former Exeter City and Bromsgrove Rovers midfielder is a devout Seventh Day Adventist - which means Saturday is his day of rest.

He played for the Vauxhall Conference club for eight years without ever featuring in Saturday matches.

His midweek displays were so impressive that boyhood heroes Villa came knocking on his door wanting him to sign a professional contract.

But as that meant playing at weekends he turned them down flat and he now plies his trade for minnows Rover Sports in the Wolverhampton Sunday League.

And he may even have to quit them if a proposed take-over of Saturday club Wednesfield takes place later this year.

Now a PE and human biology teacher in Small Heath, Burgher spoke of his rejection of the dream move to Ron Atkinson's Villa.

"I am a lifelong Villa fan and it was a hard decision to have to make.

"They came in for me five years ago when I was at Bromsgrove and wanted me to sign professional forms. But that would have meant going against my beliefs and so I said no.

"But it wasn't easy to do. I had to think long and hard about it. I asked God for guidance and hopefully He made the right decision for me."

Burgher, who lives nearby the ground in Aston, does not smoke or drink and never misses church on a Saturday.

He said: "Everyone knows the Sabbath used to be on a Saturday and was changed just for convenience. I can never be paid for playing on that day."

Burgher lines up against former club Lodge Cottrell on May 10 in the final of the Birmingham County Premier Challenge Cup.

Looking ahead to the match Burgher said: "It's going to be a right old ding-dong! They are my mates and have been phoning me all week saying how they are going to chop me down!"
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 13, 2019, 09:23:37 PM
A story most probably don't know.

Quote
FOOTBALLER Simon Burgher could have been exchanging passes with Stan Collymore and Dwight Yorke in the Premiership.

He could be wining and dining in the second city's finest restaurants and driving round in an open top sports car on a mammoth salary.

But the 31-year-old turned his back on a superstar lifestyle at Villa Park to follow God.

The former Exeter City and Bromsgrove Rovers midfielder is a devout Seventh Day Adventist - which means Saturday is his day of rest.

He played for the Vauxhall Conference club for eight years without ever featuring in Saturday matches.

His midweek displays were so impressive that boyhood heroes Villa came knocking on his door wanting him to sign a professional contract.

But as that meant playing at weekends he turned them down flat and he now plies his trade for minnows Rover Sports in the Wolverhampton Sunday League.

And he may even have to quit them if a proposed take-over of Saturday club Wednesfield takes place later this year.

Now a PE and human biology teacher in Small Heath, Burgher spoke of his rejection of the dream move to Ron Atkinson's Villa.

"I am a lifelong Villa fan and it was a hard decision to have to make.

"They came in for me five years ago when I was at Bromsgrove and wanted me to sign professional forms. But that would have meant going against my beliefs and so I said no.

"But it wasn't easy to do. I had to think long and hard about it. I asked God for guidance and hopefully He made the right decision for me."

Burgher, who lives nearby the ground in Aston, does not smoke or drink and never misses church on a Saturday.

He said: "Everyone knows the Sabbath used to be on a Saturday and was changed just for convenience. I can never be paid for playing on that day."

Burgher lines up against former club Lodge Cottrell on May 10 in the final of the Birmingham County Premier Challenge Cup.

Looking ahead to the match Burgher said: "It's going to be a right old ding-dong! They are my mates and have been phoning me all week saying how they are going to chop me down!"

If God had known about the commission that football agents are making these days he might have changed his mind. And his career.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: cdbullyweefan on May 13, 2019, 09:53:55 PM
I always like it when religious types justify their beliefs starting with "everyone knows..."

Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PeterWithe on May 13, 2019, 10:16:29 PM
Didnít a bloke pack up playing in the 80s as playing on Sundayís would go against his religion, seem to mind he played for Walsall or maybe the Tatters.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: cdbullyweefan on May 13, 2019, 10:21:56 PM
It was Peter Knowles of Wolves, I think you're talking about? Retired in 1970. His Wiki page suggests that he was contracted until 1982, though, does that mean he was getting paid all that time?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Knowles
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Richard E on May 13, 2019, 10:24:25 PM
When we signed John Fashanu my reaction was Ďoh God.í
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: purpletrousers on May 14, 2019, 02:18:14 AM
Didnít a bloke pack up playing in the 80s as playing on Sundayís would go against his religion, seem to mind he played for Walsall or maybe the Tatters.
It was Peter Knowles of Wolves, I think you're talking about? Retired in 1970. His Wiki page suggests that he was contracted until 1982, though, does that mean he was getting paid all that time?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Knowles


God's Footballer - Song by Billy Bragg https://youtu.be/-EfYlwlpz2U (https://youtu.be/-EfYlwlpz2U)


God's footballer hears the voices of angels
Above the choir at molineux
God's footballer stands on the doorstep
And brings the good news of the kingdom to come
While the crowd sings 'rock of ages'
The goals bring weekly wages
Yet the glory of the sports pages
Is but the worship of false idols and tempts him not

God's footballer turns on a sixpence
And brings the great crowd to their feet in praise of him
God's footballer quotes from the gospels
While knocking on doors in black country back streets
He scores goals on a Saturday
And saves souls on a Sunday
For the lord says these are the last days
Prepare thyself for the judgment yet to come

His career will be over soon
And the rituals of a Saturday afternoon
Bid him a reluctant farewell
For he knows beyond the sport lies the spiritual
Songwriters: Billy Bragg
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Risso on May 14, 2019, 08:55:21 AM

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Knowles


God's Footballer - Song by Billy Bragg https://youtu.be/-EfYlwlpz2U (https://youtu.be/-EfYlwlpz2U)


God's footballer hears the voices of angels
Above the choir at molineux

[/quote]

Aaaaand I'm out!
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 14, 2019, 07:42:52 PM
Was it Carlos Roa who was a 7th Day Adventist or something and retired because he believed the world would end in the year 2000, and then he had to come back and fulfil his contract when it didnít?
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: cdbullyweefan on May 15, 2019, 12:47:51 AM
Yep.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Roa
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 27, 2019, 05:00:38 PM
Sign the man up.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Steve67 on May 27, 2019, 05:10:07 PM
John Carew and the future King of the Commonwealth say:  sign this man, make it so!!
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: LukeJames on May 27, 2019, 05:13:36 PM
They kept Jack and McGinn wuietvtova point, this man steopedv up big time!
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 27, 2019, 05:55:10 PM
They kept Jack and McGinn wuietvtova point, this man steopedv up big time!

yes. whatever you just said, I agree with Luke :)
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: phantom limb on May 27, 2019, 06:30:24 PM
Get him in as well
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: claret+blue ed on May 27, 2019, 06:42:25 PM
Motm for me today, well played Anwar
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 27, 2019, 07:05:16 PM
Yeah yeah sign him up, I GOT IT WRONG. How nice it is to be proven wrong about a player who actually contributes to our success as opposed to all the signings we've made in the past decade I thought would be good and turned out to be a waste of time.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Tayls_7 on May 27, 2019, 07:14:13 PM
Motm for me today, well played Anwar

Ditto.  Dangerous all game.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Villafirst on May 27, 2019, 07:52:38 PM
I believe we have an option to sign Anwar? He loves the club anyway!
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Smirker on May 27, 2019, 07:58:40 PM
I think there is a quality player there. Honestly feel like he's been hit and miss during his time with us but he was good today and I'd be happy to sign him permanently if the deal is good.

Well done to him today.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 27, 2019, 08:01:25 PM
Nice touch from him with the Nouri t-shirt.

https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1133083654085840896
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 27, 2019, 08:07:15 PM
I think there is a quality player there. Honestly feel like he's been hit and miss during his time with us but he was good today and I'd be happy to sign him permanently if the deal is good.

Well done to him today.

I think heís a big talent, key in our good run.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: purpletrousers on May 27, 2019, 09:55:12 PM
Nice touch from him with the Nouri t-shirt.

https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1133083654085840896

Wondered about that shirt, just looked him up, had forgotten the story  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdelhak_Nouri
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Risso on May 27, 2019, 09:56:16 PM
Great today, one of our best players like he has been for the last few weeks.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: maidstonevillain on May 27, 2019, 10:44:56 PM
Was my MOTM as well. Been our most consistent player in the good run.  Get the feeling there is plenty of untapped potential.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: NeilH on May 27, 2019, 11:01:05 PM
Nice touch from him with the Nouri t-shirt.

https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1133083654085840896

Wondered about that shirt, just looked him up, had forgotten the story  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdelhak_Nouri

Three years ago I took my eldest to a Jong Ajax game at the Ajax youth ground, both Anwar and Nouri were playing in it, Anwar was the stand out player that evening and I said to my lad that at the time that i would love to see him in claret and blue. So happy to see him score today and I hope that we get his contract sorted as soon as possible.
The fact that he played tribute to Nouri reflects the kind of bloke he is. Sign him up.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Matt Collins on May 28, 2019, 06:07:06 AM
We've got to sign him especially at the reported price
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 28, 2019, 08:06:55 AM
A player who is improving, it looks like he is being coached and encouraged.
I think there is more to come as he has talent.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: nigel on May 28, 2019, 08:25:10 AM
Seems to be flourishing under Dean. Our best player over the play offs
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: mr underhill on May 28, 2019, 08:37:05 AM
He and Mings I think. A definite keep alongside letting Albert And Andre go and then finding someone to replace them.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: AsTallAsLions on May 28, 2019, 09:12:45 AM
I would have been skeptical about spending money on this lad before his performances in the play-offs but when you consider how he stood out, bearing in mind also that he was fasting for Ramadan, it really does show the quality he has. I'd be happy to see us trigger whatever fee we agreed when he took him on loan, if it's around the £5m mark as reported then we'd be stupid not to.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: darren woolley on May 28, 2019, 10:36:11 AM
We must sign him up was brilliant yesterday but he's been a revelation under Dean Smith.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Risso on May 28, 2019, 10:55:37 AM
I would have been skeptical about spending money on this lad before his performances in the play-offs but when you consider how he stood out, bearing in mind also that he was fasting for Ramadan, it really does show the quality he has. I'd be happy to see us trigger whatever fee we agreed when he took him on loan, if it's around the £5m mark as reported then we'd be stupid not to.

El Ghazi broke the fasting rule for the final:

"After those semi-final matches, I thought: I have to be professional and not fast during the final, because then I have to be on top," said El Ghazi in conversation with the club channel of Aston Villa. "Of course it is part of my faith, but sometimes you have to make other decisions. I have discussed this extensively with my family and I hope that God will forgive me."

40,000 fans in the stadium forgive you fella!  He was absolutely immense yesterday I thought, and my vote for MOTM.  That can't have been an easy decision for him, and I hope we sign him up for next season.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Axl Rose on May 28, 2019, 11:08:27 AM
I would have been skeptical about spending money on this lad before his performances in the play-offs but when you consider how he stood out, bearing in mind also that he was fasting for Ramadan, it really does show the quality he has. I'd be happy to see us trigger whatever fee we agreed when he took him on loan, if it's around the £5m mark as reported then we'd be stupid not to.

El Ghazi broke the fasting rule for the final:

"After those semi-final matches, I thought: I have to be professional and not fast during the final, because then I have to be on top," said El Ghazi in conversation with the club channel of Aston Villa. "Of course it is part of my faith, but sometimes you have to make other decisions. I have discussed this extensively with my family and I hope that God will forgive me."

40,000 fans in the stadium forgive you fella!  He was absolutely immense yesterday I thought, and my vote for MOTM.  That can't have been an easy decision for him, and I hope we sign him up for next season.

What a legend! Love Anwar, and his tribute to Nouri, also.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: LukeJames on May 28, 2019, 11:30:29 AM
They kept Jack and McGinn wuietvtova point, this man steopedv up big time!

yes. whatever you just said, I agree with Luke :)
Oh wow.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: kieron on June 06, 2019, 11:14:20 AM
Being reported that we've triggered the option to sign Anwar.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 06, 2019, 11:15:59 AM
Around £8m
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Risso on June 06, 2019, 11:19:07 AM
Good news.  He really came into his own at the back end of last season, and can only get better.  Needs to start adding more goals to his game, he's got the talent.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: kieron on June 06, 2019, 11:19:34 AM
I do like this 'we're not fucking about whatsoever and just getting shit done nice and early' version of Aston Villa Football Club.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 06, 2019, 11:20:47 AM
Being reported that we've triggered the option to sign Anwar.

Shit me, we're not fucking around in this window are we. Very pleased if true, £8m is very little these days for a player of his age with definite potential. He grew on me over those last couple of months, and he obviously loves playing for us which is important as well.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: manic-road on June 06, 2019, 11:24:35 AM
Being reported that we've triggered the option to sign Anwar.

Shit me, we're not fucking around in this window are we. Very pleased if true, £8m is very little these days for a player of his age with definite potential. He grew on me over those last couple of months, and he obviously loves playing for us which is important as well.

Seen quotes for 9 million Euros agreed, in todays market that's a steal if true, it seemed to me that the longer Dean worked with him the better he got.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on June 06, 2019, 11:33:34 AM


I'm really happy we're going to try and keep him, even if i think he's still very hit and miss. The PL is a big step up also obviously
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Duncan Shaw on June 06, 2019, 11:38:43 AM
I thought it was reported when we signed him on loan the trigger was about £4-5m......still, all good news!
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Drummond on June 06, 2019, 11:45:07 AM
I thought it was reported when we signed him on loan the trigger was about £4-5m......still, all good news!

Probably that if we'd stayed down.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: sid1964 on June 06, 2019, 12:23:58 PM
I think in the premier league he will have to more to his game than knock the ball behind the defender and chase after it

Good signing though and for me adds to the squad, not sure if he is a starter every week.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Ad@m on June 06, 2019, 12:27:37 PM
I tell you what, this "soft embargo" is really affecting us!!!!
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: SheffieldVillain on June 06, 2019, 12:29:09 PM
I think in the premier league he will have to more to his game than knock the ball behind the defender and chase after it

Good signing though and for me adds to the squad, not sure if he is a starter every week.

If we manage to sign two more wingers who are better than or as good as El Ghazi, we really will have done some great business this summer.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: chrisw1 on June 06, 2019, 01:05:21 PM
I like him but £8m sounds toppish to me.  I thought he was a free agent this summer and expected out option to be less than that.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Monty on June 06, 2019, 01:29:42 PM
I think we've got to get used to this kind of fee - this is where the Premier League has got to in our absence, and 8 million in this environment really is towards the cheap end.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: passitsideways on June 06, 2019, 01:33:38 PM
Is it possible that the amount of the fee depended on whether promotion was achieved or not?
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 06, 2019, 01:47:50 PM
I said the other day on the conversation about writing off Richards and McCormack that average players in the PL cost £25-30m. Itís not the league we left behind 3 years ago. Getting Hause, AEG and Mings for under £30m will be excellent business.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: UK Redsox on June 06, 2019, 02:14:53 PM
Gruaniad seem pretty sure that this is happening for £8m

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/jun/06/aston-villa-sign-anwar-el-ghazi-lille-loan
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 06, 2019, 04:40:08 PM
I like him but £8m sounds toppish to me.  I thought he was a free agent this summer and expected out option to be less than that.


We seem to have a collective mental block when it comes to transfer fees. The club took over a decade to top paying half a million for Peter Withe, and even O'Neill never splurged any breathtaking wedge on a marquee signing, preferring to pay slightly over the odds for lots of not that good players.

If the market dictates that we have to pay £8m to secure players of his potential, then so be it. If we get all Doug about this, we'll be back down pronto.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 06, 2019, 04:42:34 PM
£8 million is peanuts. Get him signed and move onto the next target.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: alanclare on June 06, 2019, 04:44:49 PM
Guardian reports Villa have triggered the option to buy, thought to be for £8m.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Matt C on June 06, 2019, 05:12:26 PM
In relative, current market terms thatís (ridiculously) pretty reasonable.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: VillaAlways on June 06, 2019, 05:16:44 PM
£8 million is a bargain
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Pete3206 on June 06, 2019, 06:00:32 PM
£8m? Sold

Next.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 06, 2019, 06:25:41 PM
Excellent, get it done.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: themossman on June 06, 2019, 06:50:55 PM
24 year old Dutch international who was just our MVP in the playoffs. A snip at £8m
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 06, 2019, 06:52:29 PM
24 year old Dutch international who was just our MVP in the playoffs. A snip at £8m
He is but hasn't played for them for 4 years.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: themossman on June 06, 2019, 07:09:05 PM
For the purposes of me making my point it still counts!

Whatís England international Seth Johnson up to these days?
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: mike on June 06, 2019, 07:56:03 PM
That's nearly three times what we paid for SJM... to be fair that is everything to us getting him at an absolute bargain price.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: TaxDodger on June 06, 2019, 07:58:13 PM
For the purposes of me making my point it still counts!

Whatís England international Seth Johnson up to these days?

Seth Johnson is a Villa fan and therefore fully worthy of being an international.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: themossman on June 06, 2019, 08:02:56 PM
That's nearly three times what we paid for SJM... to be fair that is everything to us getting him at an absolute bargain price.

Mad. SJM must be right up there in our best ever value for money signings. If you factor in his key role in getting us back into the PL the return on investment is staggering.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: mike on June 06, 2019, 09:11:00 PM
That's nearly three times what we paid for SJM... to be fair that is everything to us getting him at an absolute bargain price.

Mad. SJM must be right up there in our best ever value for money signings. If you factor in his key role in getting us back into the PL the return on investment is staggering.

Absolutely agree. I wake up in the night sweating after a dream where Celtic had an ounce of common sense..
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Dazvillain on June 06, 2019, 10:04:27 PM
As he and Hause were loans sanctioned by EFL I thought they had to sign before today as now weíre officially a premier league club ?
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: maidstonevillain on June 06, 2019, 11:06:06 PM
That's nearly three times what we paid for SJM... to be fair that is everything to us getting him at an absolute bargain price.

Mad. SJM must be right up there in our best ever value for money signings. If you factor in his key role in getting us back into the PL the return on investment is staggering.

And for which we have Steve Bruce to thank.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: john e on June 07, 2019, 09:38:00 AM
That's nearly three times what we paid for SJM... to be fair that is everything to us getting him at an absolute bargain price.

Mad. SJM must be right up there in our best ever value for money signings. If you factor in his key role in getting us back into the PL the return on investment is staggering.

And for which we have Steve Bruce to thank.

and El Ghazi

Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 08, 2019, 06:02:58 PM
The jury is still out for me with El Ghazi. He was more El Khazi for most of the time he was with us but did finish the season well. Can't complain about £8m though, even if he does spend most of next season coming of the bench.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Matt C on June 08, 2019, 06:15:03 PM
Signed for Ä9m according to the Twittersphere
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 08, 2019, 06:15:30 PM
He has pace and he has confidence to go at full backs. Heís a player that the opponents have to account for be it on the wing or as we saw in the final getting inside. Heís a young player with a great attitude and loads of potential. Like Jack he needs to start adding more goals and assist to his game. But for £8m it is a super deal.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Jon Crofts on June 08, 2019, 06:21:05 PM
4 year deal apparently.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Ads on June 08, 2019, 06:34:02 PM
£8m is a steal. I think he's got huge potential.

I love when he's direct and uses his blistering pace to drive past the opposition. He'll only get better and is a good age.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: themossman on June 08, 2019, 06:52:41 PM
Bruce did pretty well on individual signings tbh, including the 17/18 loans. His issues were squad balance, terrible in game tactics and players out of position.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Matt C on June 08, 2019, 07:13:11 PM
That and buying players first, figuring out where and in what system they play second. Then disregarding them when it didnít work.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Nelly on June 08, 2019, 07:22:04 PM
Really good signing! Great news.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 08, 2019, 07:23:06 PM
Bruce did pretty well on individual signings tbh, including the 17/18 loans. His issues were squad balance, terrible in game tactics and players out of position.
Hogan.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 08, 2019, 07:39:05 PM
£8m is a steal. I think he's got huge potential.

I love when he's direct and uses his blistering pace to drive past the opposition. He'll only get better and is a good age.

Agree completely.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: KRS on June 08, 2019, 10:42:50 PM
£8m is a steal. I think he's got huge potential.

I love when he's direct and uses his blistering pace to drive past the opposition. He'll only get better and is a good age.

Agree completely.
Very glad weíre in for El Ghazi but the key word here is potential...weíve seen it in glimpses, but at 24 he needs to be more consistent and up his game in the Premier League. A great opportunity for him so hope he grabs and makes the most of it.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on June 08, 2019, 10:47:58 PM
I honestly think the likes of him, Grealish and McGinn will be better in the PL with more time on the ball.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Pete3206 on June 09, 2019, 03:13:32 PM
Looks good on You Tube anyway. Get the deal done:

Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 09, 2019, 03:19:56 PM
Thatís a great video. Heís got great footwork and pace. Only going to get better.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 09, 2019, 03:59:52 PM
Let's hope so. The encouraging thing is he did improve during the season. If he can continue his development, he'll be one hell of a player.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: supertom on June 09, 2019, 06:27:34 PM
I like him. You need a defensive full back behind him (or we'll need an athletic DM who covers ground effectively) but he'll do well in the Prem I think. I see him getting even better. He's the kind of player who could pull something out the bag in tight games. We'll have shite games where you're just waiting for someone to do something a bit risky and just pull something from nothing. Could be as key for us as Grealish.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: olaftab on June 09, 2019, 06:35:07 PM
Let's hope so. The encouraging thing is he did improve during the season. If he can continue his development, he'll be one hell of a player.
Without him we wouldn't have made it through the play offs.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: wittonwarrior on June 09, 2019, 07:09:19 PM
Got to say when I first saw him at home against Sheff  Wed I thought another journeyman but he has surprised and he now works and plays like a  left winger. - Cant head mind bar the play off goal.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: berneboy on June 09, 2019, 07:54:43 PM
Got to say when I first saw him at home against Sheff  Wed I thought another journeyman but he has surprised and he now works and plays like a  left winger. - Cant head mind bar the play off goal.
He didn't head that!
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: kieron on June 10, 2019, 09:54:42 AM
https://twitter.com/AElGhazi7/status/1138005432579121152

"@AVFCOfficial announce me? 🤷‍♂️"


Looks like its definitely done!
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: chrisw1 on June 10, 2019, 10:02:04 AM
Ecellent.  Welcome back Anwar.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed on loan
Post by: kieron on June 10, 2019, 10:07:20 AM
https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1138009252319191042

"Heís back! 👊

Weíre delighted to confirm @AElGhazi7 has signed on a permanent deal.

http://bit.ly/2EVmSMv

#AVFC https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1138009252319191042/photo/1"




Quote
Aston Villa is delighted to announce that Anwar El Ghazi has joined the club on a four-year deal.

The Dutch international enjoyed a highly impressive loan spell at Villa Park last season after signing from French outfit Lille.

And the 24-year-old, who scored at Wembley in the play-off final, will now have the opportunity to showcase his talents in the Premier League after moving for an undisclosed fee.

El Ghazi was recently regarded as one of the hottest prospects in European football after coming through the ranks at the world-renowned Ajax academy and was a major success story in last termís successful promotion push with six goals in 37 appearances.

Head Coach, Dean Smith, said: ďAnwar proved to everybody at Wembley how good a player he can be for Aston Villa.

ďHeís ready for the step up to the Premier League and heís a young player who has an awful lot of potential. Itís now my job and the job of the coaching staff and Anwar himself to fulfil the potential that he undoubtedly has.

ďHeíll be a great addition to the squad for next season.Ē
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Villan For Life on June 10, 2019, 10:21:56 AM
Marvellous news. Welcome back Anwar.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Risso on June 10, 2019, 10:25:24 AM
Great news.  He really showed how good he can be towards the end of the season, and importantly, he also showed good attitude to come back from a less than stellar start.  I like him a lot.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: AsTallAsLions on June 10, 2019, 10:25:59 AM
Good signing. Welcome back Anwar - onwards and upwards!

Side note - love that he tweeted 'announce me?' at the official twitter account haha. Proper order lad. Clearly wants to be here which is a good start.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Duncan Shaw on June 10, 2019, 10:29:08 AM
I wonder if we were waiting to announce more than him at the same time, but he has forced the announcement with his tweet!!  Good news though.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: maidstonevillain on June 10, 2019, 10:37:44 AM
That makes me happy.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: fbriai on June 10, 2019, 10:43:41 AM
Great news.  He really showed how good he can be towards the end of the season, and importantly, he also showed good attitude to come back from a less than stellar start.  I like him a lot.

Agree with all of this. Great stuff!
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: KRS on June 10, 2019, 10:44:24 AM
Excellent Monday morning news! :)
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: rob_bridge on June 10, 2019, 11:18:59 AM
Good news - still lots of room for improvement but a big step in the right direction
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: UK Redsox on June 10, 2019, 11:19:51 AM
From an underwhelming championship loan signing to a key permanent premier league addition in a few months.

AEG's season was real grower
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 10, 2019, 11:23:39 AM
Happy with this. Welcome back AEG.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on June 10, 2019, 11:35:34 AM
Welcome back! Onwards and upwards...
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 10, 2019, 11:37:07 AM
I don't know how he'll get on in the Premier League but he deserves his chance.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 10, 2019, 11:47:58 AM
He kept on getting better and better, long may it continue. Fantastic uplifting news, despite being expected.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Brend'Watkins on June 10, 2019, 11:58:07 AM
Good work. Very happy with this.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: bjfoster on June 10, 2019, 12:21:25 PM
Great news.  He really showed how good he can be towards the end of the season, and importantly, he also showed good attitude to come back from a less than stellar start.  I like him a lot.

Agreed. If you told me after his sub performance at Norwich he'd be scoring the opener in the Play-off Final i would have laughed in your face.

Always seems to want the ball now and drives at people. Even gave it the big one to Villa fans with about 15 to go in the final to get us going.

Probably needs to be stronger at certain points but that was more when he was getting roughed up at West Brom away.

Top lad, welcome back.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: not3bad on June 10, 2019, 12:33:22 PM
Welcome back Anwar!
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Three Spires Villa on June 10, 2019, 12:49:42 PM
Yes welcome back. He got better and better hope that continues
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: spartacuss on June 10, 2019, 01:04:59 PM
Thought when he first came he was a slightly petulant, Ronaldo-wannabe show-pony. The difference must be Dean Smith's pushing his skill level and enhancing his team spirit/effort.  Although Bruce brought him in, it seemed to be (as with some other loans) that Bruce just told him to get on with filling a gap - or thereabouts.

Now, though, he's been transformed for me. His determination (with an element of self-sacrifice) to give the maximum in the semis and the final to get us through was McGinnesque and certainly Jack was keen to reference him for his over and above performance.  Renewed welcome Anwar!
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Steve67 on June 10, 2019, 01:05:42 PM
Seems a top guy. Great stuff, more please
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: darren woolley on June 10, 2019, 01:08:27 PM
Welcome Back Anwar.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Axl Rose on June 10, 2019, 01:14:16 PM
Great stuff. Welcome Anwar!
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: mallo on June 10, 2019, 01:20:37 PM
Happy with this - welcome!
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: rob_bridge on June 10, 2019, 01:37:12 PM
What about Borlaise as back up?
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Villa Lew on June 10, 2019, 02:09:46 PM
Good news, am confident he'll turn out to be a good permanent signing.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on June 10, 2019, 02:32:23 PM
Welcome back Anwar, to the best club you will ever play for!
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 10, 2019, 03:35:02 PM
welcome back Anwar

our own brummie Ronaldo . . .   lots of potential
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 10, 2019, 03:48:24 PM
Good stuff. Very important we keep together key players from last season that understand what we're about. Dean Smith's words on once again, spot on. I'm sure as a big fan of Ronaldo, Anwar realises how hard he works at his game. Continue as he ended last season and we just might have a real player on our books.

Welcome back, Anwar. You've earned the opportunity.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Matt C on June 10, 2019, 03:57:23 PM
As others have said, got progressively better as the season wore on (with better coaches around him) and went from a bit of a question mark to an essential signing. Excellent news.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: manic-road on June 10, 2019, 05:14:17 PM
Happy with Anwar signing, cheap at that price. When he first started in the first tea I was calling him El Khazi as he was toilet, but after being coached by DS e has got better and better.
Looking forward to hopefully see him progress further next season.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: LowerNorthStand on June 10, 2019, 05:43:11 PM
Good to have the lad on board
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 10, 2019, 06:17:26 PM
Great stuff.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: cheltenhamlion on June 10, 2019, 06:33:49 PM
Good signing and a snip at £8m in the bonkers world of modern football.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 10, 2019, 07:51:36 PM
Happy with Anwar signing, cheap at that price. When he first started in the first tea I was calling him El Khazi as he was toilet, but after being coached by DS e has got better and better.
Looking forward to hopefully see him progress further next season.

It was probably that that spurred him on.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: LukeJames on June 11, 2019, 12:34:29 PM
We've paid Ä5m according to L'Equipe today, bargain.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Bad English on June 11, 2019, 01:49:13 PM
We've paid Ä5m according to L'Equipe today, bargain.
I was looking at the replies to the LOSC Pravda announcement (https://twitter.com/losclive/status/1138009824984293376?s=19) on Twitter. Virtually every tweet is positive, wishing Anwar luck, saying "Once a 'dogue' always a 'dogue", and expressing regrets that he was moving on. The only criticism I did see was one bloke who said that he lacked 'explosivitť' for a winger but hoped he would develop his game in England.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Risso on June 11, 2019, 02:22:30 PM
I love Anwar, for the following reasons:
1) Didn't sulk when he got dropped, but worked hard and took his chance when he got it.
2) Scoring at Wembley.
3) Not thinking he was the dog's bollocks and looking for a move elsewhere.
4) Putting aside his strongly held religious beliefs for the good of the club during Ramadan.
5) Impatiently urging the official AVFC social media sites to announce his signing yesterday.

A top, top chap indeed.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: paul_e on June 11, 2019, 02:41:48 PM
I love Anwar, for the following reasons:
1) Didn't sulk when he got dropped, but worked hard and took his chance when he got it.
2) Scoring at Wembley.
3) Not thinking he was the dog's bollocks and looking for a move elsewhere.
4) Putting aside his strongly held religious beliefs for the good of the club during Ramadan.
5) Impatiently urging the official AVFC social media sites to announce his signing yesterday.

A top, top chap indeed.


Number 1 is the key for me but I'd expand on it. He clearly has plenty of natural talent, that was obvious from the very beginning but what wasn't quite there was the work rate and consistency that you need over a long season. By the end of the season he'd added that, working much harder off the ball (and having a decent understanding of when to track back and when to hold his position) and that extra effort seeing him get more of the ball in better areas. From August to May I'd say he's the most improved player in the squad.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: cheltenhamlion on June 11, 2019, 05:59:20 PM
I love Anwar, for the following reasons:
1) Didn't sulk when he got dropped, but worked hard and took his chance when he got it.
2) Scoring at Wembley.
3) Not thinking he was the dog's bollocks and looking for a move elsewhere.
4) Putting aside his strongly held religious beliefs for the good of the club during Ramadan.
5) Impatiently urging the official AVFC social media sites to announce his signing yesterday.

A top, top chap indeed.


Number 1 is the key for me but I'd expand on it. He clearly has plenty of natural talent, that was obvious from the very beginning but what wasn't quite there was the work rate and consistency that you need over a long season. By the end of the season he'd added that, working much harder off the ball (and having a decent understanding of when to track back and when to hold his position) and that extra effort seeing him get more of the ball in better areas. From August to May I'd say he's the most improved player in the squad.

Yep
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: themossman on June 12, 2019, 08:15:26 PM
Is the Ä5m confirmed? Where did the £8m come from? Either way itís good business but if itís the former thatís mental.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Risso on June 12, 2019, 08:18:46 PM
I love Anwar, for the following reasons:
1) Didn't sulk when he got dropped, but worked hard and took his chance when he got it.
2) Scoring at Wembley.
3) Not thinking he was the dog's bollocks and looking for a move elsewhere.
4) Putting aside his strongly held religious beliefs for the good of the club during Ramadan.
5) Impatiently urging the official AVFC social media sites to announce his signing yesterday.

A top, top chap indeed.


Number 1 is the key for me but I'd expand on it. He clearly has plenty of natural talent, that was obvious from the very beginning but what wasn't quite there was the work rate and consistency that you need over a long season. By the end of the season he'd added that, working much harder off the ball (and having a decent understanding of when to track back and when to hold his position) and that extra effort seeing him get more of the ball in better areas. From August to May I'd say he's the most improved player in the squad.

He was also, let's not forget, playing in front of Neil Taylor, so the attacking intent on that side was entirely down to him.  On the right side, you had Elmo overlapping whenever he could, which made life easier for Albert and Green, neither of whom looked anywhere near as good as Anwar.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: paul_e on June 12, 2019, 08:25:46 PM
He was also, let's not forget, playing in front of Neil Taylor, so the attacking intent on that side was entirely down to him.  On the right side, you had Elmo overlapping whenever he could, which made life easier for Albert and Green, neither of whom looked anywhere near as good as Anwar.

Absolutely, he did get a lot of support from Grealish drifting left though.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: tomd2103 on June 12, 2019, 08:28:27 PM
I love Anwar, for the following reasons:
1) Didn't sulk when he got dropped, but worked hard and took his chance when he got it.
2) Scoring at Wembley.
3) Not thinking he was the dog's bollocks and looking for a move elsewhere.
4) Putting aside his strongly held religious beliefs for the good of the club during Ramadan.
5) Impatiently urging the official AVFC social media sites to announce his signing yesterday.

A top, top chap indeed.


Number 1 is the key for me but I'd expand on it. He clearly has plenty of natural talent, that was obvious from the very beginning but what wasn't quite there was the work rate and consistency that you need over a long season. By the end of the season he'd added that, working much harder off the ball (and having a decent understanding of when to track back and when to hold his position) and that extra effort seeing him get more of the ball in better areas. From August to May I'd say he's the most improved player in the squad.

He was also, let's not forget, playing in front of Neil Taylor, so the attacking intent on that side was entirely down to him.  On the right side, you had Elmo overlapping whenever he could, which made life easier for Albert and Green, neither of whom looked anywhere near as good as Anwar.

Good point Risso.  Think he would look a lot more effective with a an attacking minded left back playing with him.  Would mean that when he cut in, there would be an option outside him and would probably give him a bit more space.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 12, 2019, 09:05:26 PM
You put a proper attacking full back in with AEG he will become twice as lethal. You can see defences doubling up on him because they knew Taylor was useless. And even through that he looked great albeit at Championship level. It wonít be so easy in the PL so he will need help.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: jwarry on June 13, 2019, 11:28:58 AM
A few reports that Everton tried to hijack our deal at the last minute
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Hookeysmith on June 13, 2019, 01:46:54 PM
Also on a couple of times in games, especially at Wembley in the final few minutes, he beckoned to the crowd to lift the team and we did.

He is a credit to himself for all the points raised by Risso - the cynic in me hopes he continues his development now he has the move as I feel he could be even better.

I also like that with him and Conor in the team we have the ability to score a goal out of nothing from a deadball - that could be crucial in tighter games we will experience in the premiership. A free kick could just be the difference in winning games
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: itbrvilla on July 31, 2019, 03:57:18 PM
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: nigel on July 31, 2019, 05:28:57 PM
You put a proper attacking full back in with AEG he will become twice as lethal. You can see defences doubling up on him because they knew Taylor was useless. And even through that he looked great albeit at Championship level. It wonít be so easy in the PL so he will need help.

You could argue that Taylor took the pressure off Anwar's defensive duties allowing him to concentrate on his attacking side.
Let's not forget Neil Taylor played pretty well himself in the final few league games and the play offs.

AEG is a talent and could be a star in the Prem.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 31, 2019, 06:16:46 PM
Love the belief on here but the jury's still out for me. If he is the player we all hope him to be, he's only scratching the surface of his talent. There's very little end product with his play, exciting though it can be with the ball at his feet. For much of last season I had him down as a show pony but the way he finished the season I really hope he can kick on.

His attitude is spot on, technically he has skill, pace and ability to get forward. It's what he does thereafter that needs to be worked on. Cutting in and shooting from outside the box to win a corner won't be enough. The fact he's surrounded by quality players will hopefully help drive him on as whoever plays wide left is going to be a very important player in the team.

Good luck to the lad, he deserves his chance.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: nigel on July 31, 2019, 07:04:55 PM
Love the belief on here but the jury's still out for me. If he is the player we all hope him to be, he's only scratching the surface of his talent. There's very little end product with his play, exciting though it can be with the ball at his feet. For much of last season I had him down as a show pony but the way he finished the season I really hope he can kick on.

His attitude is spot on, technically he has skill, pace and ability to get forward. It's what he does thereafter that needs to be worked on. Cutting in and shooting from outside the box to win a corner won't be enough. The fact he's surrounded by quality players will hopefully help drive him on as whoever plays wide left is going to be a very important player in the team.

Good luck to the lad, he deserves his chance.

Can't really argue with you on that.
As you also say, though, he finished the season on a high, no coincidence that we were playing better football with Dean Smith, and now he'll be surrounded with quality which should push him to the next level.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: wittonwarrior on July 31, 2019, 07:25:23 PM
On his day could be one of the better wide players in the premiership, his game has obviously flaws canít head as a rule and needs a supporting player   Still think he could be a player we will continue talk about come May
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Pete3206 on July 31, 2019, 07:29:38 PM
None of that El Khazi bollocks this season I hope
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: itbrvilla on August 23, 2019, 11:25:43 PM
Had some stick from.the first two games and deservedly so. Came on for a cameo and worked hard and tracked back well. Nice to see him on the score sheet too. Hopefully like Wesley he can grow from this as there is clearly a very good player here.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 23, 2019, 11:59:42 PM
He did work hard. Maybe the penny has dropped. Delighted for him with the goal, he did the right thing taking it off Jack's foot. Momentum was on his side and it was a tidy finish.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Steve67 on August 24, 2019, 12:13:52 AM
He did work hard. Maybe the penny has dropped. Delighted for him with the goal, he did the right thing taking it off Jack's foot. Momentum was on his side and it was a tidy finish.

He looked up before slotting past England's number two as well for a neat finish.  Nice kick up the arse distributed by Dean Smith there. I hope AEG kicks on from this, I agree, a good player in there somewhere.
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Post by: Luffbralion on August 26, 2019, 09:20:05 PM
Look at his fantastic run for the goal; full of energy and purpose. Looked like he was determined to get on the score sheet. Well done, Anwar
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Dogtanian on August 26, 2019, 09:35:56 PM
Also had a powerful shot saved.  I think this is the power of strength in depth - he lost his starting place on Friday to Jota who takes his chance and plays well and gets an assist, so when El Ghazi comes on he shows what heís capable of and gets a goal, sending a message to the departing Jota that he needs to keep performing too.

Beautiful symmetry.   8)
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: KRS on August 26, 2019, 10:27:57 PM
Definitely keeps the players on their toes. AEG came on fired up and made an impact, so heís made his claim for a starting spot and that could be at the expense of Trez rather than Jota.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 26, 2019, 10:31:38 PM
I like AEG. Donít forget heís a young lad too taking a big step up from the Championship. His attitude has been great and it shows whether it is him or Trez or Jota coming off the bench they can all do a job. And hopefully in time that will go for Marvelous or even the likes of Lansbury or Davis or Konsa etc when called upon. Everyone has an important role to play.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Dogtanian on August 26, 2019, 10:38:51 PM
Yeah, heís a good lad and I love that he showed how much the play-off final and promotion meant to him, even though he was only on loan, and that he really wanted to stay with us.

When I think of how many players weíve bought over the years just looking for a payday or not giving a shit, itís refreshing.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Brend'Watkins on August 27, 2019, 09:16:20 AM
He showed great confidence and drive for the 2nd goal.  The ball was on it's way to Jack but he thought, " I'm a goalscorer, I'll take over"  I'm glad he did. 

He gives the team a different dimension when he comes on the pitch with his energy.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Risso on August 27, 2019, 09:23:55 AM
Yeah, heís a good lad and I love that he showed how much the play-off final and promotion meant to him, even though he was only on loan, and that he really wanted to stay with us.

When I think of how many players weíve bought over the years just looking for a payday or not giving a shit, itís refreshing.

There's also the fact that he realised Ramadan was having a negative effect on his fitness, so he put his team mates and club first, over his religious beliefs.  I imagine for a muslim that's quote a big thing to do.

He was disappointing the first two games, but as the team as a whole finds its feet, hopefully he will too.  Loved his confidence on Friday night, as most people would just have tried to walk the ball into the corner.
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Post by: in exile on September 28, 2019, 05:09:03 PM
Nothing but a drama queen
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Post by: CT on September 28, 2019, 05:22:03 PM
Nothing but a drama queen

Agreed, but compared to Trez, he's as tough as Shaun Teale.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 28, 2019, 05:27:00 PM
Ronaldo he ain't. The only thing they share in common are the eyebrows. He's no winger, either. He manages to do one thing well in a game and then disappears. If he really does have to play, I'd prefer to see him playing more inside. Took his goal very well today. Maybe something to build on?
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Post by: Dogtanian on September 28, 2019, 08:42:51 PM
Two goals and an assist in five and a bit Premier League games isnít a bad start.  If he kept that rate up over a season then that would be an involvement in 19 league goals.
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Post by: darren woolley on September 30, 2019, 03:17:41 PM
Two goals and an assist in five and a bit Premier League games isnít a bad start.  If he kept that rate up over a season then that would be an involvement in 19 league goals.


Totally agree if he keeps that sort of form up he will be in double figures for goals and that's what we need we need everybody to chip in and get there fair share of goals.
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Post by: Brend'Watkins on September 30, 2019, 03:26:57 PM
Ronaldo he ain't. The only thing they share in common are the eyebrows. He's no winger, either. He manages to do one thing well in a game and then disappears. If he really does have to play, I'd prefer to see him playing more inside. Took his goal very well today. Maybe something to build on?

This might sound a bit daft but why not play him as our main striker?  He has more of an eye for goal than Wesley I think.
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Post by: eamonn on September 30, 2019, 03:30:46 PM
Our Sir Woodhall called this before the game on Saturday. He may be the best striker we have at the moment.
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Post by: AsTallAsLions on September 30, 2019, 03:32:08 PM
I've heard worse ideas.
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Post by: themossman on October 05, 2019, 04:10:03 PM
Playing well, 2 very good assists so far. May not look like a great contributor but heís always involved in goals and numbers starting to speak for themselves.
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Post by: danno on October 05, 2019, 06:49:46 PM
Partly because of its importance but mostly because it was good unselfish play I thoroughly enjoyed his role in Jacks goal today.
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Post by: Flin5tone on October 06, 2019, 01:21:01 AM
The numbers are starting to stack up for assists now and he'll bag a few more goals too.

I love his attitude and him as a person. Seems a really genuine down to earth lad.
 
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Post by: Three Spires Villa on October 06, 2019, 07:08:02 AM
Had some doubts at the start of the season, but recently he looks very good
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Post by: themossman on November 25, 2019, 10:49:48 PM
Good tonight I thought. Seemed to be playing a lot more centrally, and in front of Wesley a lot of the time. He has a real eye for goal and takes his chances well.
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Post by: itbrvilla on November 25, 2019, 10:55:04 PM
Good tonight I thought. Seemed to be playing a lot more centrally, and in front of Wesley a lot of the time. He has a real eye for goal and takes his chances well.
Totally agree, shame he wasn't released earlier by Jack for the offside goal.
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Post by: robleflaneur on November 28, 2019, 09:40:03 AM
Good tonight I thought. Seemed to be playing a lot more centrally, and in front of Wesley a lot of the time. He has a real eye for goal and takes his chances well.
Totally agree, shame he wasn't released earlier by Jack for the offside goal.
Was unable to get to the Newcastle game but interested to see that he is taking up more central positions.I think that he could be suited to being a central striker,he is a good finisher ,possesses a powerful shot , has good pace and can run at defenders as well as being reasonable in the air.Downside might be hold up play but playing the ball more in the channels would enable us to turn defences.
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Post by: AsTallAsLions on November 28, 2019, 10:00:30 AM
Good tonight I thought. Seemed to be playing a lot more centrally, and in front of Wesley a lot of the time. He has a real eye for goal and takes his chances well.
Totally agree, shame he wasn't released earlier by Jack for the offside goal.
Was unable to get to the Newcastle game but interested to see that he is taking up more central positions.I think that he could be suited to being a central striker,he is a good finisher ,possesses a powerful shot , has good pace and can run at defenders as well as being reasonable in the air.Downside might be hold up play but playing the ball more in the channels would enable us to turn defences.

Agreed. If we can't get a decent striker in January, we should look at bringing in another pacy winger which will free El Ghazi up to play up front.
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Post by: Diablo on November 28, 2019, 10:25:52 AM
Good tonight I thought. Seemed to be playing a lot more centrally, and in front of Wesley a lot of the time. He has a real eye for goal and takes his chances well.
Totally agree, shame he wasn't released earlier by Jack for the offside goal.
Very likely my poor memory, but wasn't it SJM who delayed the pass?
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Post by: Lastfootstamper on November 28, 2019, 10:39:28 AM
Good tonight I thought. Seemed to be playing a lot more centrally, and in front of Wesley a lot of the time. He has a real eye for goal and takes his chances well.
Totally agree, shame he wasn't released earlier by Jack for the offside goal.
Very likely my poor memory, but wasn't it SJM who delayed the pass?

It was. There was a few having a pop at El Ghazi, but you can only hold your run so long. By the time McGinn played the pass, I bet there were people sat right at the front of the Holte that could see he was miles off.
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Post by: dcdavecollett on November 29, 2019, 12:34:53 AM
Yes. Though infuriatingly inconsistent, he has shown real promise.
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Post by: West Derby Villan on November 29, 2019, 10:44:11 AM
Yes. Though infuriatingly inconsistent, he has shown real promise.

I couldn't agree more
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Post by: themossman on November 30, 2019, 04:08:05 PM
The more advanced plays the better he looks and I think heís one of our only decent headers of the ball.
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Post by: dcdavecollett on November 30, 2019, 07:49:06 PM
But he doesn't like heading it, does he?
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Post by: Toronto Villa on December 01, 2019, 03:36:18 AM
But he doesn't like heading it, does he?

I enjoyed his header from May 27th
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Post by: usav on December 01, 2019, 03:51:31 AM
But he doesn't like heading it, does he?

I enjoyed his header from May 27th

Technically his shoulder, I think.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on December 01, 2019, 04:35:48 AM
But he doesn't like heading it, does he?

I enjoyed his header from May 27th

Technically his shoulder, I think.

I was going with the head/shoulder or as we should always remember it a bullet diving header that ripped the back of the net leaving Derby distraught and forlorn.
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Post by: thick_mike on December 01, 2019, 09:28:58 AM
But he doesn't like heading it, does he?

I enjoyed his header from May 27th

Technically his shoulder, I think.

I was going with the head/shoulder or as we should always remember it a bullet diving header that ripped the back of the net leaving Derby distraught and forlorn.

A classic, just like Peter Witheís crisp volley off the sweet spot of his instep that ripped into the rigging in Rotterdam all those years ago.
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Post by: Lastfootstamper on December 01, 2019, 10:29:07 AM
Grayesque.
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Post by: usav on December 01, 2019, 02:01:04 PM
But he doesn't like heading it, does he?

I enjoyed his header from May 27th

Technically his shoulder, I think.

I was going with the head/shoulder or as we should always remember it a bullet diving header that ripped the back of the net leaving Derby distraught and forlorn.

Works for me!
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Post by: Pete3206 on December 01, 2019, 11:20:52 PM
I thought he looked sharp until the injury. Hope it's not too serious.
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Post by: not3bad on December 01, 2019, 11:40:07 PM
Injuries coming thick and fast now.
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Post by: john2710 on December 01, 2019, 11:57:11 PM
Injuries coming thick and fast now.
Why, other than Davies, who else is injured?
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Post by: brontebilly on December 01, 2019, 11:57:45 PM
I thought he looked sharp until the injury. Hope it's not too serious.

Was a real pity as think he would have had far too much for Williams. An assist and drew a yellow in his short time on the pitch. Badly missed his pace on the counter attack in second half, Trez did ok though.
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Post by: cdbullyweefan on December 01, 2019, 11:59:13 PM
Injuries coming thick and fast now.
Why, other than Davies, who else is injured?

There's a clue in the thread title...
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Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 02, 2019, 12:02:54 AM
Given the runs of injuries we've experienced over the last 8 or 9 years only having a couple of players out seems a blessing. And we don't even know if AEG will be out.
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Post by: Damo70 on December 02, 2019, 12:06:54 AM
But he doesn't like heading it, does he?

I enjoyed his header from May 27th

Technically his shoulder, I think.

I was going with the head/shoulder or as we should always remember it a bullet diving header that ripped the back of the net leaving Derby distraught and forlorn.

Works for me!


His diving header into the net from the halfway line in the play off final was arguably our best goal since Peter Withe scored from the halfway line in Rotterdam.
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Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 02, 2019, 12:16:40 AM
Which in turn was the best since Nicholl scored while stood at the back of Stretford End in 1977.
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Post by: Villafirst on December 02, 2019, 05:40:18 AM
Deano said Anwar got "a whack on the knee" and will be assessed at Bodymoor Heath. Sounds more a knock than anything else, so hopefully not too serious.
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Post by: darren woolley on December 03, 2019, 03:38:36 PM
He should be back for the Leicester game.
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Post by: maidstonevillain on December 03, 2019, 03:55:19 PM
That would suggest it will be Elmo and Trezeguet linking up down the right for the Chelsea game.
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Post by: TheMalandro on January 05, 2020, 10:59:20 AM
Has he done a Diane Abbott with his boots?

His finishing has been dreadful so far this season. He's fluffed so many tap ins.
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Post by: Ads on January 05, 2020, 11:01:44 AM
He needs a few weeks out to try and lose his poor form and low confidence.
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Post by: AV82EC on January 05, 2020, 11:07:41 AM
From what Iíve seen this season the guy is obviously out of form and low on confidence, Iím just not convinced he has the mental and physical toughness to make the step up. Of course I hope Iím wrong but like Jota and numerous others I just donít think heís good enough for this level.
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Post by: Ads on January 05, 2020, 11:21:01 AM
He's a young and inexperienced player and like most wingers, blows hot and cold.

He's got the talent, had a decent return of goals and gets in good positions. Much like last season he started well, was dropped, came back very low on confidence and then turned into Ronaldo for a bit.

How good he can be depends on how consistent he can become. With the change of system, I'd give him a couple weeks out.
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Post by: Risso on January 05, 2020, 12:30:07 PM
He's a young and inexperienced player and like most wingers, blows hot and cold.

He's got the talent, had a decent return of goals and gets in good positions. Much like last season he started well, was dropped, came back very low on confidence and then turned into Ronaldo for a bit.

How good he can be depends on how consistent he can become. With the change of system, I'd give him a couple weeks out.

The trouble is his replacement in Trezeguet isnít much better.
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Post by: Richard E on January 05, 2020, 12:36:22 PM
Worse, in fact.
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Post by: Ads on January 05, 2020, 01:09:53 PM
He's a young and inexperienced player and like most wingers, blows hot and cold.

He's got the talent, had a decent return of goals and gets in good positions. Much like last season he started well, was dropped, came back very low on confidence and then turned into Ronaldo for a bit.

How good he can be depends on how consistent he can become. With the change of system, I'd give him a couple weeks out.

The trouble is his replacement in Trezeguet isnít much better.

As a winger he is, but I felt he actually played well in deeper inside forward position, both on and off the ball. He lacks the pace the play wide in a 433.
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Post by: nigel on January 05, 2020, 03:57:03 PM
Like has been mentioned before, might be worth trying him as a centre forward type, similar to Vardy.
Bit late to trial it in cup games, though
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Post by: mike on January 05, 2020, 07:42:07 PM
I thought when he signed his new contract that he would be a decent squad player.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 05, 2020, 07:50:36 PM
He can be frustrating, but he at least occasionally delivers, he's far from our worst player.
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Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 05, 2020, 08:21:52 PM
I like him, he's inconsistent especially his finishing but more often than not he's involved in our good play and seems the only player we have who has the natural instinct to get into those goal scoring areas in te box, even if he does miss more of them than he should.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on January 05, 2020, 08:27:10 PM
Like has been mentioned before, might be worth trying him as a centre forward type, similar to Vardy.
Bit late to trial it in cup games, though
Should have been given a go several weeks ago.
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Post by: Brassneck on January 05, 2020, 08:43:22 PM
It's very difficult when you can be out of a game completely for 10/15 minutes and then suddenly receive the ball and be expected to open up a defence instantly.  That's why so few do it consistently and why the go for £50 million plus.

We need to improve our wide players (or maybe tuck them further inside in the 5311 system.  Many have been an advocate of AEG being more central (something I didn't want but perhaps a compromise is worth looking at).
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Post by: N'ZMAV on January 05, 2020, 08:59:10 PM
agreed - there's not many wingers that are consistent, even the £40-50mil ones are more often than not inconsistent....

Sterling, Mane and Salah are the only really consistent ones in England this season.
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Post by: eamonn on January 05, 2020, 09:10:48 PM
Di Maria has often looked shite half the time.
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Post by: Luke8 on January 05, 2020, 10:34:54 PM
Like has been mentioned before, might be worth trying him as a centre forward type, similar to Vardy.
Bit late to trial it in cup games, though

Youíre probably right in regards to the time (or lack of it) to try it but Kodjia hasn't exactly done much to suggest he should be selected by anything other than default.
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Post by: AV82EC on January 05, 2020, 10:44:29 PM
If and itís a big if he plays the 3-4-3 like Burnley with the two either side of the central striker playing as inside forwards Iíd give him a go at that. Trez did ok at Burnley maybe itís more suited to AEG.

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Post by: Footy-Vill on January 10, 2020, 05:11:30 PM
El Gahzi showed how difficult it was for him to be a striker against Leicester other day.

He also came off quite battered and bruised . Limping and nose bleed.
He is someone I do enjoy watching play for when on song is a joy and match winner as well as a goal threat however he struggles with the psychicality at times.
His ability and having learnt at school of Ajax taught him a lot but the physical nature of some opposition I think puts him well off his game .

And of course the biggest thing is consistency with Anwar.
Coz there ain't no body like El Ghazi !
Makes me happy when I see him play !
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Post by: Mister E on January 10, 2020, 06:24:26 PM
El Gahzi showed how difficult it was for him to be a striker against Leicester other day.

...
And yet, he set up our goal.
He has good footballing instincts, and his second Premier League season will see much grreater consistency.
Lest we forget, he already has 6 assists.
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Post by: Ian. on January 10, 2020, 07:07:28 PM
El Gahzi showed how difficult it was for him to be a striker against Leicester other day.

...
And yet, he set up our goal.
He has good footballing instincts, and his second Premier League season will see much grreater consistency.
Lest we forget, he already has 6 assists.
Heís doing pretty good, heís been a good signing.
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Post by: AV82EC on January 11, 2020, 08:22:25 AM
El Gahzi showed how difficult it was for him to be a striker against Leicester other day.

...
And yet, he set up our goal.
He has good footballing instincts, and his second Premier League season will see much grreater consistency.
Lest we forget, he already has 6 assists.
Heís doing pretty good, heís been a good signing.

The issues for me with El Ghazi are threefold:

1) heís anonymous for large parts of the game and hides from the ball
2) I think he really struggles with the step up in physicality despite being 6í2Ē.
3) he struggles to impose himself.

In his defence some of this is to do with the 4-3-3 system where for large parts he ends up acting as a secondary left back. He does have some talent as proven by assists etc but Iím coming to the conclusion he just lacks the mentality or physicality to impose himself in this league. He really has struggled with the step up in quality and his form has massively suffered.
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Post by: Mister E on January 11, 2020, 08:42:11 AM
El Gahzi showed how difficult it was for him to be a striker against Leicester other day.

...
And yet, he set up our goal.
He has good footballing instincts, and his second Premier League season will see much grreater consistency.
Lest we forget, he already has 6 assists.
Heís doing pretty good, heís been a good signing.

The issues for me with El Ghazi are threefold:

1) heís anonymous for large parts of the game and hides from the ball
2) I think he really struggles with the step up in physicality despite being 6í2Ē.
3) he struggles to impose himself.

In his defence some of this is to do with the 4-3-3 system where for large parts he ends up acting as a secondary left back. He does have some talent as proven by assists etc but Iím coming to the conclusion he just lacks the mentality or physicality to impose himself in this league. He really has struggled with the step up in quality and his form has massively suffered.
I'd agree with your 3 points, which is why I think he will look alot better next season. Despite which, he has done some good stuff this season (the 2 horrendous misses against Leicester and Sourhampton notwithstanding).
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 11, 2020, 10:43:13 AM
The issues for me with El Ghazi are threefold:

1) heís anonymous for large parts of the game and hides from the ball
2) I think he really struggles with the step up in physicality despite being 6í2Ē.
3) he struggles to impose himself.

In his defence some of this is to do with the 4-3-3 system where for large parts he ends up acting as a secondary left back. He does have some talent as proven by assists etc but Iím coming to the conclusion he just lacks the mentality or physicality to impose himself in this league. He really has struggled with the step up in quality and his form has massively suffered.

Agree on your three points with the first being my biggest problem with him. Even when he gets something right, whether it be a goal or an assist, rather than boosting his confidence and wanting to do more it's like, 'I've done my bit, where shall I hide?' and ends up a passenger for the rest of the game.

Regarding formation, I don't see him as a winger and think he'd benefit coming in 15 yards with the option to go wide if he decides. My worry is his bloody nose against Leicester will push him further into the shadows, if that's possible. Mentally and physically he seems extremely weak. As for being a secondary left back, he's not helped by Targett's lazy arse getting back to defend. AEG has successfully covered for him on several occasions.

Having said all that, he's still very young and only cost us what, £4m? Ideally we bring in a winger this window and allow AEG time to grow and develop, using him as an impact player from the bench.
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Post by: aj2k77 on January 11, 2020, 11:35:38 AM
Mentally weak? The guy went against his religious beliefs to prepare for a football game that we ultimately won and scored the winner in the biggest game in our most recent history but because he's in and out he's mentally weak? That's a pretty unfair accusation.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 11, 2020, 11:39:27 AM
Nobody's talking about John McGinn.
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Post by: Clampy on January 11, 2020, 11:41:19 AM
Yep, mentally weak is very harsh and with no real proof to back it up.

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Post by: aj2k77 on January 11, 2020, 11:48:52 AM
Nobody's talking about John McGinn.

The points still stand.

We are way too quick to throw the coward, weak, mentally not up for it jibes around. They're very offensive and more often than not completely unsubstantiated and based on frustrations of young players being in and out.

Save those comments for Wankers like Ireland, Richards and Lescott.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 11, 2020, 12:20:51 PM
Yep, mentally weak is very harsh and with no real proof to back it up.

I wish it wasn't the case but that's how I see him. His performances are the real proof. A couple of examples;
I'm struggling to think of a player that when he scores or lays on a great assist, instead of thinking I can do this again, goes into his shell, literally disappears for the rest of the game.
Tackling; forget 50/50s, he backs out of 60/40s in his favour, maybe even 70/30s. He's not prepared to get involved. Why?
He receives the ball and his first option is normally to pass it back to Targett or Taylor.
Remember when he used to cut inside and have a shot? That's stopped.
The majority of players, especially forwards thrive on confidence but AEG doesn't appear to be one of them.

Is he scared of making a mistake, I've no idea but based on his performances and the decisions he takes even when all the stars are aligned he doesn't take advantage. The only person holding back his potential is himself.
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Post by: Villan82 on January 11, 2020, 01:02:59 PM
Dreadfully harsh.

I do not understand our fans sometimes. AEG is a goal scorer and a goal provider. He is a productive player and has made the step up from the Championship. Of course he will be inconsistent, he has just made a huge step up but he has won us games at this level.

He also cost us peanuts. Lay off him FFS.
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Post by: frank black on January 11, 2020, 01:07:30 PM
Good player that will improve tremendously with better players up front with him.
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Post by: sirlordbaltimore on January 11, 2020, 01:31:56 PM


A lightweight.
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Post by: dcdavecollett on January 11, 2020, 08:14:20 PM
Didn't he have a serious injury while at Ajax?

Maybe this is why he is reluctant to get involved with the physical stuff?
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Post by: ChicagoLion on January 12, 2020, 08:46:25 AM
Awful against Southampton. Good v Burnley.
Can have some real dreadful performances.
Sometimes does not look interested.
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Post by: AV82EC on January 12, 2020, 08:49:34 AM
Awful against Southampton. Good v Burnley.
Can have some real dreadful performances.
Sometimes does not look interested.

Errrr he was dropped for Burnley which I think proves the point.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on January 12, 2020, 09:02:33 AM
Awful against Southampton. Good v Burnley.
Can have some real dreadful performances.
Sometimes does not look interested.

Errrr he was dropped for Burnley which I think proves the point.
he started dropped Watford shit against Southampton
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Post by: Clampy on January 12, 2020, 09:35:15 AM
I think he's been ok overall but there's a lot more to come from him defiantly.
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Post by: aj2k77 on January 12, 2020, 01:51:49 PM
And for £7m or so that's what you get, potentially better, at the moment Ok. Bournemouth have £20m + players sitting on their bench these days. I have no qualms about his ability being questioned but the coward/lacks heart bollocks is simply just that.
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Post by: David_Nab on January 12, 2020, 09:59:34 PM
And for £7m or so that's what you get, potentially better, at the moment Ok. Bournemouth have £20m + players sitting on their bench these days. I have no qualms about his ability being questioned but the coward/lacks heart bollocks is simply just that.

2 bookings in last 2 games , can't say he isn't getting stuck in .Tried his best today as a target man but just outmuscled and out numbered by the cbs
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 12, 2020, 11:33:09 PM
And for £7m or so that's what you get, potentially better, at the moment Ok. Bournemouth have £20m + players sitting on their bench these days. I have no qualms about his ability being questioned but the coward/lacks heart bollocks is simply just that.

You're the only person to mention the 'coward/lacks heart' bollocks. FWIW, I thought he did okay today, looked to get involved and was one of the very few positives from the game. Maybe he's been reading this thread.
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Post by: dcdavecollett on January 14, 2020, 12:09:19 AM
I thought he kept at it well in an unfamiliar position and unfavourable circumstances.
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Post by: Flin5tone on January 14, 2020, 12:37:30 AM
For 7 million he is a bargain and one of our better players, when you consider Targett was 17 million....

He's also a good lad, helped hugely in getting us promoted and even took a break from fasting at Ramadan for the Play Off Final.

I think he's been more than OK this season a 7/10
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Post by: kieron on January 14, 2020, 06:44:17 AM
Targett was £11m.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: AV82EC on February 02, 2020, 12:57:55 PM
It has to be said utterly anonymous again yesterday judging from reports. How many more chances does he get?
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Ads on February 02, 2020, 01:02:19 PM
He played an absolutely brilliant through ball and put in a quality cross for Guilbert. He faded out of it second half, but he wasn't entirely anonymous.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: dorsetvillian on February 02, 2020, 01:07:10 PM
He is so off the pace yesterday along with Gilbert. Our right side was a mess.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: AV82EC on February 02, 2020, 01:14:00 PM
He played an absolutely brilliant through ball and put in a quality cross for Guilbert. He faded out of it second half, but he wasn't entirely anonymous.

Is it enough though Ads? He seems to do bits and pieces in a game but I havenít seen anything this season to suggest heís absolutely been central to any of our victories or had a 8 or 9 out of 10 performance.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 02, 2020, 01:34:44 PM
I think at TRez has more impact and gets involved more.
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Post by: Chris Smith on February 02, 2020, 01:47:48 PM
I think at TRez has more impact and gets involved more.

I think both of them have more impact as a sub than when they start.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on February 02, 2020, 01:53:20 PM
I think at TRez has more impact and gets involved more.

I think both of them have more impact as a sub than when they start.
Agreed, the problem is the same can be said of Luiz and Hourihane.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: CT on February 02, 2020, 02:17:08 PM
I like AEG, he just has no "stickability". One slight gust of wind and he gets knocked off the ball.
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Post by: David_Nab on February 02, 2020, 03:30:56 PM
He is better on the left , cutting inside and shooting but we play JG there.

Yesterday was generally poor  , I'd have had him off at HT and put Conner on to match them in MF..certainly after the red thats what I would have done.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: aj2k77 on February 02, 2020, 03:56:35 PM
Doing 1 decent thing a game isn't the necessary output you need from one of your attackers. He's not good enough at the moment for Premier League football.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Steve67 on February 02, 2020, 04:39:54 PM
Doing 1 decent thing a game isn't the necessary output you need from one of your attackers. He's not good enough at the moment for Premier League football.

Sadly, I think El Ghazi, Trezeguet and Douglas are in exactly the same boat.  Seem to do far more when they come on as subs than they do when they get a whole game. Far too inconsistent.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: manic-road on February 25, 2020, 06:11:18 PM
Has there been any news on the possible career ending injury that El Ghazi picked up at Southampton?
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: CT on February 25, 2020, 06:57:57 PM
Has there been any news on the possible career ending injury that El Ghazi picked up at Southampton?

Recovery time is about 2 / 3 minutes. Be a bit bloody patient!!
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Post by: FrankyH on February 25, 2020, 07:25:30 PM
Has there been any news on the possible career ending injury that El Ghazi picked up at Southampton?

Recovery time is about 2 / 3 minutes. Be a bit bloody patient!!

Yes indeed..

Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: The Edge on February 25, 2020, 07:27:37 PM
Has there been any news on the possible career ending injury that El Ghazi picked up at Southampton?
Could be out for a while. Snapped his g-string apparently.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: The Edge on February 25, 2020, 07:28:36 PM
Has there been any news on the possible career ending injury that El Ghazi picked up at Southampton?

Recovery time is about 2 / 3 minutes. Be a bit bloody patient!!

Yes indeed..


Quality!! 👏👏
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: AV82EC on February 25, 2020, 07:30:17 PM
Thoughts and prayers with Anwar at this difficult time.
#prayforanwar
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: colin69 on February 25, 2020, 07:40:06 PM
El Ghazj and Trez have done their bit for Villa.Maybe I not enough for some but hey ho!!!
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Demitri_C on February 25, 2020, 07:59:51 PM
El Ghazj and Trez have done their bit for Villa.Maybe I not enough for some but hey ho!!!

Both have been utter flops. If we stay up we need to get rid of both. As the season has progressed they have got worse and worse.

AEGs "performance" was a disgrace in Saturday.  He didnt fancy it and  bottled it. We dont people like that at our club
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Post by: Drummond on February 25, 2020, 08:01:48 PM
El Ghazj and Trez have done their bit for Villa.Maybe I not enough for some but hey ho!!!

Both have been utter flops. If we stay up we need to get rid of both. As the season has progressed they have got worse and worse.

AEGs "performance" was a disgrace in Saturday.  He didnt fancy it and  bottled it. We dont people like that at our club

You could say the same about some fans.
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Post by: brontebilly on February 25, 2020, 08:10:18 PM
El Ghazj and Trez have done their bit for Villa.Maybe I not enough for some but hey ho!!!

Both have been utter flops. If we stay up we need to get rid of both. As the season has progressed they have got worse and worse.

AEGs "performance" was a disgrace in Saturday.  He didnt fancy it and  bottled it. We dont people like that at our club

Without AEG, we wouldn't have won the play off final. He is a player of significant technical ability. Two footed, quick, good shot and cross on him. But sadly lacking in some of the more fundementals to make it as a top division player. The ability to battle and take a kicking for starters. If he added that to his game given his physique and other technical attributes, we would have some player. Unfortunately it's also probably the reason his career to date has been a bit nomadic.

Trez is horribly limited in almost every facet of his game. Does put in a bit more of a shift than AEG or Luiz but reminds me of a poor man's Andi Weimann to be honest. Nowhere near good enough for me.
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Post by: LukeJames on February 25, 2020, 08:25:03 PM
I completely agree with that. I see a player in El Ghazi, I see nothing in Trez.
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Post by: rougegorge on February 25, 2020, 08:38:38 PM
I completely agree with that. I see a player in El Ghazi, I see nothing in Trez.
I agree with this as well. El Ghazi has better attributes and with good coaching could improve further.

Trezeguet scored a decent goal against Liverpool and his goal got us to Wembley, but generally he hasn't been at the standard that is needed at this level.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Steve67 on February 25, 2020, 08:56:50 PM
If he could stop being a sulky twat and play consistently each week, that would be a help.  Only seems to play well when he's been left out.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Lastfootstamper on February 25, 2020, 09:37:21 PM
My take is that he, like most of our paper-thin squad, is new to this level. He can't be dropped altogether, and I think that that relentlessness of inclusion shows from time to time. For all we know, he'd possibly like a weekend on the bench where he knows there's little chance he'll be called upon which would give him some respite to recover his form. We had similar with Wes. I can see why it would be grinding.
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Post by: olaftab on February 25, 2020, 10:00:07 PM
El Ghazj and Trez have done their bit for Villa.Maybe I not enough for some but hey ho!!!

Both have been utter flops. If we stay up we need to get rid of both. As the season has progressed they have got worse and worse.

AEGs "performance" was a disgrace in Saturday.  He didnt fancy it and  bottled it. We dont people like that at our club
They have not been utter flops. Yes not quite good enough but they have contributed. El Ghazi played a major part in our promotion.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Steve67 on February 25, 2020, 10:06:57 PM
Last year is so last year.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Ads on February 25, 2020, 10:12:57 PM
El Ghazi has it in him to be a good player. I think he will benefit a lot from this season and his decision making and commitment can improve. He has undoubted technical ability.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 25, 2020, 11:48:54 PM
Wrong player, wrong time. Spurs suffered decades of signing them. All fart, no shit.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 26, 2020, 12:10:33 AM
He's got 6 goals and 6 assists this season so he's obviously not been an utter flop, his form has dropped off lately though. I've been disappointed with Trez overall.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: OzVilla on February 26, 2020, 03:05:48 AM
Neither AEG or Trez are good enough.  There's a long list of players not quite up to it right now and those 2 are top of the list.
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Post by: Jon Crofts on February 26, 2020, 05:06:45 AM
I'd have AEG over Trez any day, doesn't make him a great player though, both bang average at best, come May if we're still a PL club get rid.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Demitri_C on February 26, 2020, 09:28:49 AM
El Ghazj and Trez have done their bit for Villa.Maybe I not enough for some but hey ho!!!

Both have been utter flops. If we stay up we need to get rid of both. As the season has progressed they have got worse and worse.

AEGs "performance" was a disgrace in Saturday.  He didnt fancy it and  bottled it. We dont people like that at our club
They have not been utter flops. Yes not quite good enough but they have contributed. El Ghazi played a major part in our promotion.

Im talking about this season as a permananent signing. Both have been huge disappointments in Pl. Between the both of them they havent had 10 decent games between them. Thats a major problem
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: AV82EC on February 26, 2020, 01:18:38 PM
Iíve come to the conclusion heís got plenty of talent technically but he just hasnít got the ďbottleĒ or mental toughness you need to play at the highest level. The guy is 6í2Ē and heís as soft as shite, easily dominated physically and far too easy to intimidate in the tackle.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Demitri_C on February 26, 2020, 01:20:45 PM
Iíve come to the conclusion heís got plenty of talent technically but he just hasnít got the ďbottleĒ or mental toughness you need to play at the highest level. The guy is 6í2Ē and heís as soft as shite, easily dominated physically and far too easy to intimidate in the tackle.

I think thats a fair observation mate. Thats how i see him.  I think he has more to offer than trez who is a headless chicken with  no footbalk brain
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Post by: ktvillan on February 28, 2020, 05:10:32 PM
AEG has technical ability but only shows it for about 15-20 minutes in games, sometimes less, then fades away.  I've yet to see him perform for even a full half let alone a full match.  I'd say his performances  are mostly  either between a 2 and 4 out of 10 with the occasional 7 out of 10, but never higher.  Which is not good enough for PL.  Plus he does not seem to be up for a battle in any sense of the word.  His role in getting us promoted is irrelevant - did he contribute any more than, say,  Adomah?

As for Trezeguet I'd give most of his turns a 2 out of 10 (which is being generous) with the occasional 5 if he manages to scuff in a consolation goal, which he's done once or twice.  His shooting for a forward is abysmal, Tonev level ineptitude,  but scuffed instead of blasted way over.  I don't know who scouted him but he wants his eyes tested.   
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: hilts_coolerking on February 28, 2020, 05:22:39 PM
Beijing Villan for Life
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: paul_e on February 28, 2020, 05:26:16 PM
That's really not a fair reflection.

He's played about 65 games for us and has 12 goals and 12 assists. That's not a bad record  at all but the problem he has, like a few other players, is that when he's not involved in the final 3rd he doesn't do enough around the pitch to earn his 'quiet' days. On top of that some games he just doesn't seem to be up for it, again we have a few players with that problem.

Trez is different, I think his biggest problem is that he's trying too hard and he really needs to develop a bit of 'chill' to his game.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: CT on February 28, 2020, 05:41:33 PM
I'd have AEG and Trez on the bench for Sunday and have Jack playing just behind Samatta up front.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Mister E on February 28, 2020, 06:08:37 PM
AEG over Trez all day long. AEG has natural skill - he played very well against Spuds recently, for example.
He just needs to develops a tougher approach to his game and take more accountability, rather than opting out as he sometimes does.

Trez might develop into a impact sub but needs to back himself a little more as well as being much more aware of the players around him (when to pass / when to shoot decision-making has been poor).
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 01, 2020, 09:39:45 PM
Top class cross for our goal. More of those please Anwar.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: supertom on March 02, 2020, 04:15:33 PM
Top class cross for our goal. More of those please Anwar.
I really hope he fancies it for the rest of the season. There's too many games where he either looks frightened of defenders who might bash him about a bit, or where he just isn't fancying it. He's got plenty of quality, but I think he's one of those players, because he'll only ever do it 1 game in 4, you'll never see him at a top 4 side in a decent league. But of course, there-in lies the Catch 22, if he was doing it week in, week out, we'd not have got him.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: myf on March 02, 2020, 09:48:37 PM
I've always rated AEG. what is he - 24 or 25? still learning with good potential but people want to "get rid". the same kind of comments directed at amavi ghana veretout troure...

the criticism from our lot is pathetic at times.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on March 02, 2020, 10:43:58 PM
It kind of matches his performances. Nobody likes a player that hides. Not blaming him, I just don't think he's good enough for the PL. For the Championship we've a half decent player. Still, if fans want to defend his performances, help yourself.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: tomd2103 on March 02, 2020, 10:57:15 PM
It kind of matches his performances. Nobody likes a player that hides. Not blaming him, I just don't think he's good enough for the PL. For the Championship we've a half decent player. Still, if fans want to defend his performances, help yourself.

I didn't think he really stood out in the Championship last season and thought he might be signed as a bit part player at best in the summer.  Only really see him as an impact sub if we are to improve going forward. 
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Villan82 on March 02, 2020, 11:08:40 PM
AEG has delivered goals and assists in both seasons.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: themossman on July 16, 2020, 08:05:54 PM
Pretty much relegated us with that first class display of bottling. Wanker.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: myf on July 16, 2020, 08:39:48 PM
Pretty much relegated us with that first class display of bottling. Wanker.

shut up. the reason we're getting relegated is because we can't defend and our strikers are shit but let's put all the blame on a youngster who helped get us promoted and has contributed more than most this season.

where the fuck is Davis when these chances are created? At least El Ghazi gets in the positions.

He could be an important player for us next year.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: themossman on July 16, 2020, 08:41:06 PM
Donít tell me to shut up thanks.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: themossman on July 16, 2020, 08:42:26 PM
And heís not a youngster, as noted on the other thread, heís a year or two off his peak.
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Post by: Small Rodent on July 16, 2020, 08:43:02 PM
Pretty much relegated us with that first class display of bottling. Wanker.

shut up. the reason we're getting relegated is because we can't defend and our strikers are shit but let's put all the blame on a youngster who helped get us promoted and has contributed more than most this season.

where the fuck is Davis when these chances are created? At least El Ghazi gets in the positions.

He could be an important player for us next year.

Well said. But you didnít mention a manager who doesnít understand the words ďsubstitutionsĒ, ďtime wastingĒ, and ďgame managementĒ.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: myf on July 16, 2020, 08:55:17 PM
Donít tell me to shut up thanks.

I will when you're calling people wankers and talking bollocks thanks
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Post by: dave.woodhall on July 16, 2020, 08:56:01 PM
Donít tell me to shut up thanks.

I will when you're calling people wankers and talking bollocks thanks

Calm down both of you.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: themossman on July 16, 2020, 08:56:49 PM
Both of you? Iím fine thanks, I havenít told anyone to shut up.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 16, 2020, 08:57:40 PM
Both of you? Iím fine thanks, I havenít told anyone to shut up.

I'm getting my retaliation in first.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Ad@m on July 16, 2020, 08:58:14 PM
He did bottle it though.

He should've thrown himself head first at it and it would've gone in.

That said Konsa was equally as bad with his attempt at a goal line clearance.
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Post by: Axl Rose on July 16, 2020, 08:59:41 PM
Donít tell me to shut up thanks.

I will when you're calling people wankers and talking bollocks thanks

How incredibly self important.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: themossman on July 16, 2020, 09:03:15 PM
You try to white knight me for criticising el ghazi and in the same sentence you slag off Davis, who actually IS a youngster and who also did his bit to get us up last season. At least troll me coherently.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Axl Rose on July 16, 2020, 09:05:16 PM
You try to white knight me for criticising el ghazi and in the same sentence you slag off Davis, who actually IS a youngster and who also did his bit to get us up last season. At least troll me coherently.

shut up + something boring and incoherent about the age of a rubbish player
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 16, 2020, 09:05:55 PM
I'll give him the benefit info the doubt and say the keeper put him off, rather than he bottled it.

Overall though, I don't think he is quite good enough to play regularly at this level. It isn't because of that one miss that we will likely go down, but a consequence of our lacking quality in crucial positions over the duration of the season.

We should have left ourselves with far better options than El Ghazi, Trezeguet and Jota (remember him?) if we wanted to frighten teams.

If our relegation is confirmed, he will probably do a job for us next season at that lower level, just as he did in helping to get us promoted in the first place.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 16, 2020, 09:06:44 PM
You try to white knight me for criticising el ghazi and in the same sentence you slag off Davis, who actually IS a youngster and who also did his bit to get us up last season. At least troll me coherently.

shut up + something boring and incoherent about the age of a rubbish player

And the same goes for you.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Aldridge Villa on July 16, 2020, 09:09:47 PM
Wouldnít lose any sleep if he left in the summer. Have never really taken to him due to his attitude more than anything else. Tonight is not the first time Iíve questioned his desire.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: aev on July 16, 2020, 09:12:14 PM
There is probably a reason he cost £8m.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: themossman on July 16, 2020, 09:13:16 PM
Ironically, Trez would have been on the end of that all day long.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: CT on July 16, 2020, 09:20:36 PM
Ironically, Trez would have been on the end of that all day long.

Trez was absolutely abysmal tonight. Truly appalling.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Aldridge Villa on July 16, 2020, 09:28:45 PM
Which is where the irony comes in
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Post by: Toronto Villa on July 16, 2020, 09:31:53 PM
When we laugh at Ronnie Rosenthal all those years ago this was in the history of Aston Villa so much worse and impactful a miss.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: myf on July 16, 2020, 09:37:41 PM
You try to white knight me for criticising el ghazi and in the same sentence you slag off Davis, who actually IS a youngster and who also did his bit to get us up last season. At least troll me coherently.

There's a difference between criticism and blaming him for our relegation. he's been average on the whole but just dont understand why he's suddenly become a player which people hate ('******' / 'wanker'). I reckon he'll become a decent player at this level.

I haven't got a problem with Davis either. The point I'm making is he's been poor since the restart but doesn't get anything like the level of flack as EG. 3 years difference (and he didnt contribute to our promotion either).

Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 16, 2020, 09:39:51 PM
We do have a tendency to call players all manner of wankers/c***s when they don't perform brilliantly, as if they're doing it on purpose. Myself included, from time to time. It isn't on, really.
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Post by: rougegorge on July 16, 2020, 09:43:28 PM
We do have a tendency to call players all manner of wankers/c***s when they don't perform brilliantly, as if they're doing it on purpose. Myself included, from time to time. It isn't on, really.
Yes I get the frustration, but there's no way that most people would even dream of saying such things to their face.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 16, 2020, 09:46:00 PM
Heís not a ****** or anything like that. It was just a bad miss.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: themossman on July 16, 2020, 09:48:53 PM
Personally, I donít Ďsuddenlyí have a problem with El Ghazi. Iíve had a problem with his attitude for a long time and, as mentioned above, there are various examples of his attitude appearing to be questionable. I donít really like the guy - Iíve also not liked various other players who Iíve never met, it might shock you to learn. I sometimes call them rude names after a disappointing loss, but again, I donít think any of them are going to read my cruel words and - in the unlikely event that they were trawling H&V for feedback after missing a sitter - I honestly donít think theyíd be that bothered.

I shouldnít use cuss words, but then I donít tell my fellow posters to shut up because I disagree with them. Strokes for folks I guess.
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Post by: Risso on July 16, 2020, 09:54:00 PM
He isn't a ****** or anything, he's just an intensely rubbish, piss poor excuse for a winger.  I hope that miss haunts him for years.  I can take a player missing because they're not very good, but not because they're scared of getting hurt.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: themossman on July 16, 2020, 09:57:37 PM
We do have a tendency to call players all manner of wankers/c***s when they don't perform brilliantly, as if they're doing it on purpose. Myself included, from time to time. It isn't on, really.

More seriously, of course I agree with this.

Iím sure weíre all unlikeable gobshites on here compared to the charming people we are in real life, especially immediately after a last minute capitulation that has probably relegated us. I reserve the right to let off steam in an anonymous echo chamber of similarly pissed of people without being told to shut up.

Is that so terrible? I think there a bit of a running joke that fans demonise players in over the top ways who have done something laughably trivial compared to any real life problem of any magnitude.
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Post by: dave.woodhall on July 16, 2020, 10:03:10 PM


Iím sure weíre all unlikeable gobshites on here compared to the charming people we are in real life,

I've never met anyone on here who's charming in real life. Except Big Daz Wooley
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: themossman on July 16, 2020, 10:03:21 PM
He isn't a c*** or anything, he's just an intensely rubbish, piss poor excuse for a winger.  I hope that miss haunts him for years.  I can take a player missing because they're not very good, but not because they're scared of getting hurt.


Yep. Fans can smell a player that is better than their commitment and performances a mile off.

I actually think heís a very talented bloke but heís shown on various occasions heís a liability in a scrap and that pisses me off.

Trezeguet is a poor player, for example, but he runs his bollocks off, so Iím much less inclined to give him pelters.
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Post by: dave shelley on July 16, 2020, 10:05:44 PM


Iím sure weíre all unlikeable gobshites on here compared to the charming people we are in real life,

Oi!  You've had enough of my money to give me charming status.

I've never met anyone on here who's charming in real life. Except Big Daz Wooley
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: themossman on July 16, 2020, 10:06:23 PM


Iím sure weíre all unlikeable gobshites on here compared to the charming people we are in real life,

I've never met anyone on here who's charming in real life. Except Big Daz Wooley

Haha yes I was exaggerating a bit, I meant to say Ďvery slightly less unlikeable gobshites.í
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 16, 2020, 10:07:18 PM
We do have a tendency to call players all manner of wankers/c***s when they don't perform brilliantly, as if they're doing it on purpose. Myself included, from time to time. It isn't on, really.

More seriously, of course I agree with this.

Iím sure weíre all unlikeable gobshites on here compared to the charming people we are in real life, especially immediately after a last minute capitulation that has probably relegated us. I reserve the right to let off steam in an anonymous echo chamber of similarly pissed of people without being told to shut up.

Is that so terrible? I think there a bit of a running joke that fans demonise players in over the top ways who have done something laughably trivial compared to any real life problem of any magnitude.

Yeah, I can't argue with that. I've said I'm gulty of it myself, anyway. I think I'm just on a different stage of grief to you at the moment. I did the anger after the Man U game.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: nick harper on July 16, 2020, 10:14:31 PM
Carragher commented that he hadnít been to an Everton game where Richardson hadnít had the physio on for treatment for something. El Ghazi is the same...  too often looks like he doesnít fancy it.

And at that critical moment he had an eye on the goalkeeper and not the ball.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 16, 2020, 10:14:42 PM


Iím sure weíre all unlikeable gobshites on here compared to the charming people we are in real life,

I've never met anyone on here who's charming in real life. Except Big Daz Wooley

Haha yes I was exaggerating a bit, I meant to say Ďvery slightly less unlikeable gobshites.í

I wouldn't even say that.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: KevinGage on July 16, 2020, 10:30:48 PM
Shocker of a miss.  On the positive side, he's got two games to make up for it.

Not going to eviscerate him for it when he played a big part in getting us up. He wouldn't be the first winger to pussy out of potential physical contact. If he was the sort to risk life and limb for any half chance he'd prob be better directly up top.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: AV82EC on July 16, 2020, 10:40:07 PM
Oh look El Ghazi in not quite good enough and bottling it shocker. Itís been said right from the start of this season if you read this thread back. The guy just doesnít have the mentality or desire to be what his undoubted technical ability could make  him and that annoys me more than a player who tries hard but doesnít have the ability. Soft as shite.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 16, 2020, 10:53:16 PM
Has there been any news on the possible career ending injury that El Ghazi picked up at Southampton?
This was another of those moments.
Sorry he has form.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Jockey Randall on July 16, 2020, 11:05:14 PM
We do have a tendency to call players all manner of wankers/c***s when they don't perform brilliantly, as if they're doing it on purpose. Myself included, from time to time. It isn't on, really.

I think it's just part and parcel of football. It's an emotional game and in situations like this you're going to get plenty of emotional reactions. I just thought he mistimed his run slightly and it was a bad miss.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Steve67 on July 17, 2020, 09:06:32 AM
A bit like Trezeguet, every so often, does something really good but I cannot understand how this guy is playing in the top league in England.  I presume we had a loan to buy and had to purchase or just thought we should sign him because of the continuity from last season, in a period of massive change at the club last summer.  I think he is a huge let down, not just based on last night and the miss of the season from Villa but has been consistently underwhelming, lazy and seemingly without desire.  He will probably do better next season as I think the Championship is his level.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Jon Crofts on July 17, 2020, 12:54:33 PM

(https://i.ibb.co/YjJBNRw/A64-CF6-A2-A4-DE-4-BE6-B912-37-CA49137-CDD.jpg) (https://ibb.co/YjJBNRw)
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Rudy65 on July 17, 2020, 01:23:55 PM
And it was his piss poor overhit cross from a Great attacking position which led to Grealish retrieving the ball and crossing it back for the miss
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Singapore Villa on July 17, 2020, 02:25:10 PM

Anwar El KHAZI
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: LeeB on July 17, 2020, 02:58:18 PM
I've only really hated Gabor Kiraly after that FA Cup game at Old Trafford, and frankly he deserved it. Gets the chance to play in goal for Aston Villa and goes out looking like Compo from Last of the Summer Wine.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Mister E on July 17, 2020, 04:33:47 PM
A bit like Trezeguet, every so often, does something really good but I cannot understand how this guy is playing in the top league in England.  I presume we had a loan to buy and had to purchase or just thought we should sign him because of the continuity from last season, in a period of massive change at the club last summer.  I think he is a huge let down, not just based on last night and the miss of the season from Villa but has been consistently underwhelming, lazy and seemingly without desire.  He will probably do better next season as I think the Championship is his level.
Yeah, that's it for me: he looked like a player last season who should grow into becoming a Premier League player. Instead, he has regressed - I suspect by not working hard enough at the grunt-work of being a footballer. The coaching staff should take some responsibility for this, because I think AEG has / had the raw materials to work with.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 17, 2020, 04:43:31 PM
I've only really hated Gabor Kiraly after that FA Cup game at Old Trafford, and frankly he deserved it. Gets the chance to play in goal for Aston Villa and goes out looking like Compo from Last of the Summer Wine.

Other than that one, admittedly abysmal, error, he didn't do much wrong for us. And we would only have lost the replay, anyway. We know how it goes against those ******.

The only players I really hate are those that obviously have the ability but can't be arsed. Even more so if said attitude comes from an innate feeling that they're too good for the club. Prime offender: Stephen fucking Ireland. I think he's my least favourite player ever, though Nigel cunting Callaghan pushes him close.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: brontebilly on July 17, 2020, 05:49:07 PM
I've only really hated Gabor Kiraly after that FA Cup game at Old Trafford, and frankly he deserved it. Gets the chance to play in goal for Aston Villa and goes out looking like Compo from Last of the Summer Wine.

Other than that one, admittedly abysmal, error, he didn't do much wrong for us. And we would only have lost the replay, anyway. We know how it goes against those c***s.

The only players I really hate are those that obviously have the ability but can't be arsed. Even more so if said attitude comes from an innate feeling that they're too good for the club. Prime offender: Stephen fucking Ireland. I think he's my least favourite player ever, though Nigel cunting Callaghan pushes him close.

They are the ones that are the most frustrating for sure. Not sure AEG falls completely into that category, likely to be a lack of self belief too despite his strut. Every so often he does something like that assist in the cup final or his goal in the playoff final and you wonder how incredibly average players like Trez are starting ahead of him.

Ireland was/is a complete imbecile. Nzogbia, Collymore or Gabby in his later years top that particular talented but couldn't be arsed cohort for me. I'd go with Collymore actually as the worst of the lot, ruined a very good team.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 17, 2020, 05:52:24 PM
I've only really hated Gabor Kiraly after that FA Cup game at Old Trafford, and frankly he deserved it. Gets the chance to play in goal for Aston Villa and goes out looking like Compo from Last of the Summer Wine.

Indeed. To his credit, at least Anwar 'looks' like a footballer.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 17, 2020, 06:23:28 PM
I don't know with Collymore if it was so much "couldn't be arsed" as "suffered with well documented mental health problems".
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Meanwood Villa on July 17, 2020, 06:36:49 PM
Genuine question, does Collymore get a free pass for being shit for us because of his mental health problems?

Are we sure Ireland and Callaghan weren't suffering from similar?
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Mister E on July 17, 2020, 07:07:22 PM
The ones that get a complete no-no from me are Hodge, Ireland, Richards and Charles because they clearly had attitude (of the wrong sort)  ... I'm sure there are others!
AEG just frustrates me because I'm sure he could be better.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Steve67 on September 16, 2020, 03:29:56 PM
Heís too hot and cold. We need consistency at this point. Sell or use in a swap.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Damo70 on September 16, 2020, 03:44:40 PM
The ones that get a complete no-no from me are Hodge, Ireland, Richards and Charles because they clearly had attitude (of the wrong sort)  ... I'm sure there are others!
AEG just frustrates me because I'm sure he could be better.

Am I right in thinking that Gary Charles had a few publicized 'emotional issues' similar to Collymore?
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: aldridgeboy on September 16, 2020, 03:48:35 PM
Didnít Ireland win player of the season one year ?
(Admittedly he was shit for the most part )
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: danno on September 16, 2020, 03:51:31 PM
Didnít Ireland win player of the season one year ?
(Admittedly he was shit for the most part )

He came on as a sub against Arsenal under McLeish and looked lively and scored against Chelsea. It was as much a "please come good" award as anything else.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Axl Rose on September 16, 2020, 03:55:58 PM
Awful player, get rid. Though I thought he was going to be a star.

Him, Nakamba and Samatta just aren't good enough, unless we want to finish 17th.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: eamonn on September 16, 2020, 04:01:24 PM
The ones that get a complete no-no from me are Hodge, Ireland, Richards and Charles because they clearly had attitude (of the wrong sort)  ... I'm sure there are others!
AEG just frustrates me because I'm sure he could be better.

Am I right in thinking that Gary Charles had a few publicized 'emotional issues' similar to Collymore?

Alcohol abuse.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: KRS on September 16, 2020, 05:03:32 PM
Flatters to deceive pretty much sums up AEG. It looked like he had potential and knocked in a few important goals, but last season really showed up his limitations...limited pace and skills means he can barely beat his man down the wing, and when he does his crossing is more often than not piss poor. Sell.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Mister E on September 16, 2020, 05:48:03 PM
The ones that get a complete no-no from me are Hodge, Ireland, Richards and Charles because they clearly had attitude (of the wrong sort)  ... I'm sure there are others!
AEG just frustrates me because I'm sure he could be better.

Am I right in thinking that Gary Charles had a few publicized 'emotional issues' similar to Collymore?
Sorry, I meant NZogbia (Charles)
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: OCD on December 12, 2020, 05:57:32 PM
I was nervous when I saw who was taking the penalty but well done to him for being cool and executing so well. Good to see some of the non-starters looking to stake their claim for a start and create more competition.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 12, 2020, 06:14:19 PM
Fabulous attitude in the interview.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 12, 2020, 07:22:10 PM
Bloody great pen - well done Anwar. When heís come on this season heís looked sharp.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: LukeJames on December 12, 2020, 07:38:24 PM
Brilliant penalty, I was shitting it when it was awarded, strangely felt calm when he stepped up.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Drummond on December 12, 2020, 11:38:15 PM
Fabulous attitude in the interview.

Absolutely. Whatever people may think of him, he's scored at some very important moments for us. Add in the attitude and I think we should keep him.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on December 12, 2020, 11:58:47 PM
This is the same bloke who was called a coward last season against Everton.  Steps up in the 94th minute to take a penalty after coming on as sub.  Seems quite courageous to me.  Both goals that gone us into the PL in the first place were down to him.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: eamonn on December 13, 2020, 12:19:38 AM
The coward thing was OTT. Understandable given we were fighting for our lives but it was a chance that came at him quickly.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Matt C on December 13, 2020, 12:32:54 AM
Heíll get a chance in the team now, needs to take it.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: paul_e on December 13, 2020, 01:11:59 AM
If you could put AEG composure together with Trez's tenacity you'd have a world beater of a player, i hope they can have an bit of a influence on each other at some point.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: eamonn on December 13, 2020, 02:37:24 AM
Took the penalty like a boss. Wonder would he have been so nonchalant had the stadium been full of baying wolves.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: cdbullyweefan on December 13, 2020, 03:07:05 AM
Well done AEG.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Des Little on December 13, 2020, 07:43:03 AM
Huge credit where itís due - I really feared the worst when he took the ball, but that was a perfect penalty. Iíve been a critic of his, but itís testament to his character that he wanted to take responsibility like that and prove something to a lot like me.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: AV82EC on December 13, 2020, 07:58:40 AM
Been one of his biggest critics on here but it always takes some bottle to perform in that scenario. Fair play to the lad and he continues to contribute as a squad player.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Dave on December 13, 2020, 10:22:59 AM
https://twitter.com/OfficialTM_3/status/1338061764404137985?s=20

Quote
Tyrone Mings
@OfficialTM_3
Good morning villains. I really hope all you who were berating and hounding El Ghazi enough to make him suspend his social media, are in his DMís today, apologising. A team game utilises a WHOLE squad and we need everyone... may your apology be as loud as the disrespect

Well, quite.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Risso on December 13, 2020, 10:27:32 AM
Or, well that's not very helpful Tyrone.  Maybe if you put as much effort into not making mistakes you wouldn't present the opponents with a gilt edged chance every single match. 
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Clampy on December 13, 2020, 10:42:13 AM
Or, well that's not very helpful Tyrone.  Maybe if you put as much effort into not making mistakes you wouldn't present the opponents with a gilt edged chance every single match. 

What absolute rubbish. If you think dishing out abuse on Twitter is acceptable to the point where that person is having the close their account, then it says a lot about you.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Risso on December 13, 2020, 11:06:09 AM
Or, well that's not very helpful Tyrone.  Maybe if you put as much effort into not making mistakes you wouldn't present the opponents with a gilt edged chance every single match. 

What absolute rubbish. If you think dishing out abuse on Twitter is acceptable to the point where that person is having the close their account, then it says a lot about you.

I didn't say it was, and the fact that you spend your life attacking other fans on here Clampy, says even more about you.

Do you think anybody dishing out abuse is going to take a blind bit of notice of what Mings says?  Or is it just stirring things up even more?
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on December 13, 2020, 11:29:21 AM
I don't mind Tyrone's tweet.
He's quite specific about who he's aiming it to (generally the sad keyboard warriors who like to dish it out but can't take it).
He's just tweeting something that I'm sure a lot of fans thought  anyway.
More importantly it demonstrates the bond that the team has particularly as it involves Mings and El Ghazi who had quite a public spat in front of the Holte (was it last season or the season before?).
Well done Tyrone, I'm glad you're a strong vocal Villa player.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Clampy on December 13, 2020, 11:34:42 AM
Or, well that's not very helpful Tyrone.  Maybe if you put as much effort into not making mistakes you wouldn't present the opponents with a gilt edged chance every single match. 

What absolute rubbish. If you think dishing out abuse on Twitter is acceptable to the point where that person is having the close their account, then it says a lot about you.

I didn't say it was, and the fact that you spend your life attacking other fans on here Clampy, says even more about you.

Do you think anybody dishing out abuse is going to take a blind bit of notice of what Mings says?  Or is it just stirring things up even more?

Lovely bit of deflection there Risso. Didnt see that coming.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: john e on December 13, 2020, 11:45:56 AM
El Ghazi took the penalty like Ronaldo takes them and the way they should be taken

ball down, reasonable walk back, run up and smack it hard and low to one side,
no piss pooling around with stupid Basil Faulty style run ups or look how clever i am in trying to miss a piss easy shot at goal

Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: dave.woodhall on December 13, 2020, 12:03:58 PM
Or, well that's not very helpful Tyrone.  Maybe if you put as much effort into not making mistakes you wouldn't present the opponents with a gilt edged chance every single match. 

What absolute rubbish. If you think dishing out abuse on Twitter is acceptable to the point where that person is having the close their account, then it says a lot about you.

I didn't say it was, and the fact that you spend your life attacking other fans on here Clampy, says even more about you.

Do you think anybody dishing out abuse is going to take a blind bit of notice of what Mings says?  Or is it just stirring things up even more?

Lovely bit of deflection there Risso. Didnt see that coming.

The end.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 13, 2020, 12:15:05 PM
The reality is people who spend their time abusing people via social media arenít worth acknowledging. Theyíre twats and wonít see the error of their ways sadly. Best off just ignoring them.

I think El Ghazi has looked really sharp in his few appearances this season. Good on him for knuckling down.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: CT on December 13, 2020, 12:17:42 PM
Or, well that's not very helpful Tyrone.  Maybe if you put as much effort into not making mistakes you wouldn't present the opponents with a gilt edged chance every single match. 

What absolute rubbish. If you think dishing out abuse on Twitter is acceptable to the point where that person is having the close their account, then it says a lot about you.

What i would add is that Twitter is hardly representative of our fan base. Itís full of cretins, yes, but I could easily spend all day slagging off various players of other teams.

One Villa fan put up a little collage of three different fans with a hashtag of #smithout after we lost to Southampton. A barrage of abuse of Villa fans followed. Fickle, plastic etc.

Two of the collage were Albion fans which the OP had failed to even notice.

Iím chuffed for AEG, he seems happy, letís just enjoy and move on.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: brontebilly on December 13, 2020, 12:31:02 PM
The reality is people who spend their time abusing people via social media arenít worth acknowledging. Theyíre twats and wonít see the error of their ways sadly. Best off just ignoring them.

I think El Ghazi has looked really sharp in his few appearances this season. Good on him for knuckling down.

I thought he did well in that cup game against Stoke, he got a lot of criticism on here but was the only one creating anything or taking responsibility. Thought he was dreadful when he came in v West Ham, mind. Will have got a good boost of confidence scoring the winner yesterday so he might kick on. A start against Burnley might be a good test for him.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: ez on December 13, 2020, 12:34:35 PM
Twitter is the most hostile of social media. It's full of goading. Instagram is much nicer plus you can control comments better on there.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Ian. on December 13, 2020, 12:40:51 PM
Iím all up for Tyroneís Tweet and see Konsa agrees as well. We all make mistakes and some of the abuse on social media these people get are so over the top. Iíd hate to have every mistake I make in life the subject of abuse on Twitter and Facebook. Itís a very nasty part of society now.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: DrGonzo on December 13, 2020, 12:54:37 PM
Why didn't Barry take the penalty?
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on December 13, 2020, 01:08:35 PM
Canít say there isnít a great team spirit here now.  Villa I mean not H and V.  Me in actually liking our players shocker.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 13, 2020, 01:27:07 PM
Why didn't Barry take the penalty?
Side splitting stuff.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: West Derby Villan on December 13, 2020, 01:44:06 PM
Fair play Tyrone, well said.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 13, 2020, 01:45:44 PM
While Twitter doesnít represent all fans itís truly astonishing how personally cruel some people can be. Iím glad Tyrone said this. Heís obviously seen the tweets, heís seen first hand that it has hurt his friend and teammate. Thereís no need for some of hate spewed on there.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: AV82EC on December 13, 2020, 03:16:01 PM
While Twitter doesnít represent all fans itís truly astonishing how personally cruel some people can be. Iím glad Tyrone said this. Heís obviously seen the tweets, heís seen first hand that it has hurt his friend and teammate. Thereís no need for some of hate spewed on there.

Quite, I save my ire/constructive criticism/piss taking for on here where it can be discussed in a reasonably grown up fashion but what on earth people think you gain by abusing people directly on Twitter, I don't know. (well there was that time I told Lord Adonis he was talking out of his hat but hey there are limits)

To reiterate my position on El Ghazi, he's a talented lad but lacks something to be considered a starter in a top half premier league team.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: KevinGage on December 13, 2020, 03:19:00 PM
I'm glad to see him backing his teammate.

But comments like that won't get spun as a riposte to some Villa fans. It will be a response to Villa fans in general, according to the Meaning Evil and others who like to stir the shit.

Should have been worded better. Or better left unsaid. You won't get through to the bollock brains on social media anyroad and the vast majority of Villa fans who never turned on AEG don't need to hear it.  Most of us can remember back further than one season. In 2018/19, only 2/3 players other than El Ghazi did more to get us up.

The Emperor needs to concentrate on his own game, which has been hit and miss this season.
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Post by: Risso on December 13, 2020, 03:30:30 PM
While Twitter doesnít represent all fans itís truly astonishing how personally cruel some people can be. Iím glad Tyrone said this. Heís obviously seen the tweets, heís seen first hand that it has hurt his friend and teammate. Thereís no need for some of hate spewed on there.

Twitter has always been an utter cesspit, and if you're famous in any sort of way at all, you're going to get abuse from some brain donor at some point, whatever walk of life you're from.  It doesn't make it right of course, but if I was that concerned about it as a football player (or singer/politician/actor/scientist whatever), I just wouldn't have a Twitter account. 
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 13, 2020, 04:09:06 PM
While Twitter doesnít represent all fans itís truly astonishing how personally cruel some people can be. Iím glad Tyrone said this. Heís obviously seen the tweets, heís seen first hand that it has hurt his friend and teammate. Thereís no need for some of hate spewed on there.

Twitter has always been an utter cesspit, and if you're famous in any sort of way at all, you're going to get abuse from some brain donor at some point, whatever walk of life you're from.  It doesn't make it right of course, but if I was that concerned about it as a football player (or singer/politician/actor/scientist whatever), I just wouldn't have a Twitter account. 

You and I are old Risso. But thatís what this generation does. So itís not going away for them because I am sure most of the time the good outweighs the bad. But unfortunately it also brings out the fucking worst in some. Pricks who would be too scared to say it to his face, but feel emboldened from a device to show how hard they are. Wankers.
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Post by: olaftab on December 13, 2020, 04:43:05 PM
Or, well that's not very helpful Tyrone.  Maybe if you put as much effort into not making mistakes you wouldn't present the opponents with a gilt edged chance every single match. 
Exactly.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 13, 2020, 04:56:16 PM
Or, well that's not very helpful Tyrone.  Maybe if you put as much effort into not making mistakes you wouldn't present the opponents with a gilt edged chance every single match. 
Exactly.

Why canít he be challenged to improve his game and be a good person off the field?
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: olaftab on December 13, 2020, 05:26:31 PM
Leadership is set by exemplary conduct in your field not by mouthing off at the first chance you get.
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Post by: cdbullyweefan on December 13, 2020, 05:48:29 PM
Nothing wrong with criticising players on here or similar forums after a game, within reason. Seeking out somebody's Twitter to abuse them so you know they will read it is cuntish behaviour though. I have no sympathy for trolls whatsoever. Fair play Tyrone.
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Post by: Ian. on December 13, 2020, 06:16:32 PM
Nothing wrong with criticising players on here or similar forums after a game, within reason. Seeking out somebody's Twitter to abuse them so you know they will read it is cuntish behaviour though. I have no sympathy for trolls whatsoever. Fair play Tyrone.
Very well put. My thoughts exactly.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on December 13, 2020, 06:33:09 PM
Leadership is set by exemplary conduct in your field not by mouthing off at the first chance you get.

Leadership isn't just about what he does on the pitch. It's about who you are as a person. In your profession and outside of it. Because if it was just about doing things right while at work then charitable organizations would never exist because most of that is voluntary service away from your regular life.

Mings has proven time and again he is a leader on the pitch and off it by his conduct in causes most of us don't find time to take an active interest in. That he makes the occasional poor footballing decisions during a game doesn't for one second diminish his leadership traits.
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Post by: Clampy on December 13, 2020, 06:46:02 PM
Tyrone stood up for one of his team mates, probably because he's been on the end of Twitter abuse himself. Not everyone has a thick enough skin to shake it off. Getting angry at the game is one thing. Going onto Twitter and hurling personal abuse at a player because of a mistake or a bad game is another and its pretty shameful. Just as shameful as some popping onto Tyrone's Twitter account today and having a go at him for speaking out. That's just the way some people are I suppose though.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Dave on December 13, 2020, 07:26:15 PM
Leadership is set by exemplary conduct in your field not by mouthing off at the first chance you get.

Nah. It's set by supporting your teammate against bullying scumbags, even if it means you might attract some of their ugly behaviour yourself.
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Post by: Risso on December 13, 2020, 09:35:27 PM
Leadership is set by exemplary conduct in your field not by mouthing off at the first chance you get.

Nah. It's set by supporting your teammate against bullying scumbags, even if it means you might attract some of their ugly behaviour yourself.

I'd have thought a better time to do it was when it happened, not after El Ghazi scored a penalty many months later.
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Post by: tomd2103 on December 13, 2020, 10:55:31 PM
Twitter is the most hostile of social media. It's full of goading. Instagram is much nicer plus you can control comments better on there.

I still don't really get the appeal of Twitter, Instagram etc. but surely those in the limelight can get someone to manage their accounts so they don't get to see the abuse on there?

That's in no way letting the pond life who post that kind of stuff off the hook, but it seems sadly ievitable that it happens. 
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Dave on December 14, 2020, 07:54:19 AM
Leadership is set by exemplary conduct in your field not by mouthing off at the first chance you get.

Nah. It's set by supporting your teammate against bullying scumbags, even if it means you might attract some of their ugly behaviour yourself.

I'd have thought a better time to do it was when it happened, not after El Ghazi scored a penalty many months later

Sure, it would have been. In the absence of that, this is still better than not doing it.
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Post by: Risso on December 14, 2020, 12:57:25 PM

Sure, it would have been. In the absence of that, this is still better than not doing it.

I dunno, to me it has the faint whiff of the sort of thing Steve Bruce would do after winning a game for the first time in ages.
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Post by: Dave on December 14, 2020, 01:19:05 PM
*gallic shrug*

Agree to disagree?
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Post by: Risso on December 14, 2020, 01:19:53 PM
Fair enough, not a biggie!
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Post by: kippaxvilla2 on December 14, 2020, 03:22:47 PM
'Mebbe's some of the dowters will stop dowtin' us now.  That's the championship for ya.  One week yarup against the Leeds', the next you have a horrible one against the Barnsley's.'
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Post by: dcdavecollett on December 15, 2020, 01:50:37 AM
"...and it's getting a bit tickly..."
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Post by: eamonn on December 15, 2020, 09:00:10 AM
Someone once said on here that Steve Bruce always interrupts the interviewer before he's finished the question. Can't stop waiting for it every time I see him on TV now and he still does it !
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Post by: eamonn on December 15, 2020, 11:44:17 AM
Edit..wrong thread
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Post by: OCD on December 15, 2020, 12:50:20 PM
Interesting article...

ĎIím sorry and ashamedí Ė the Villa fans who chased El Ghazi off of Twitter

By Joey D'Urso and Gregg Evans Dec 14, 2020 25
ďGood morning villains. I really hope all you who were berating and hounding El Ghazi enough to make him suspend his social media are in his DMs today apologising,Ē tweeted Aston Villa defender Tyrone Mings following Saturdayís smash-and-grab win over Wolves. ďA team game utilises a WHOLE squad and we need everyone. May your apology be as loud as the disrespect.Ē

Dutch winger Anwar El Ghazi has been out of favour with manager Dean Smith this season but coolly converted an injury-time penalty against Wolves after coming on as a substitute.

Earlier this season following a poor performance in the League Cup, three Villa players ó El Ghazi, Henri Lansbury and Kourtney Hause ó suspended their social media accounts after receiving a torrent of abuse from fans after defeat to Stoke City.

The Athletic has tracked down a couple of the fans who abused El Ghazi on social media earlier this year, and asked them about Mingsí words. El Ghazi was left both saddened and frustrated by the criticism he received, especially knowing that his game time will be limited because of new midfield signings Ross Barkley and Bertrand Traore.

David, 38, works in a supermarket and lives in Redditch just south of Birmingham. He sent a tweet calling El Ghazi a ďuseless c***Ē after a crucial miss against Everton last season. He says he regrets his actions, and admits to not considering the human impact of a tweet made in haste while watching a vital game on TV rather than his usual vantage point in the stands of Villa Park.

ďItís not great, is it? I can understand why people say itís wrong,Ē he told The Athletic. ďPeople donít really think (about their actions) online, itís just a venting exercise. I think the world the way is right now, thereís a lot of negatives, football is a frustrating game. When things are going well, itís easy to get behind people.Ē

Asked about the impact on players, he stands by his criticism of some of El Ghaziís performances. ďI understand where Mings is coming from, but at the end of the day if youíre going to be a professional footballer, youíve got to be prepared to get criticism.Ē

Being a Premier League player brings big money and the potential of fame and glory, but also pressure and responsibility. Nobody thinks footballers should be above criticism.

At the time, El Ghaziís miss against Everton felt like it might consign Villa to a return to the Championship after a disappointing first season in the Premier League. But a few days after that draw at Goodison Park, Villa beat Arsenal at home, then drew at West Ham to secure another season in the Premier League, which looked a remote prospect just a few weeks earlier.

Since the summer break, the club has seen an extraordinary improvement, winning six of their first 10 Premier League games including thumping wins over Liverpool and Arsenal, with new signings Emiliano Martinez, Matty Cash and Ollie Watkins making an instant impact.

Another fan, a man in his 20s living in Cambridgeshire, also sent an abusive tweet after the miss against Everton. ďI feel like at the time it was a lot of pent-up aggression towards not just El Ghazi himself but to the situation with Villa,Ē he told The Athletic. ďUnfortunately after that specific game, it fell to El Ghazi as a scapegoat, which I feel ashamed of.Ē

The fan is happy to apologise for his actions but insists on remaining completely anonymous. ďMy work would not be OK with it being put out there.Ē

This highlights how the power imbalance between fan and a player can cut both ways. On the one hand, a football fan can subject a player to scrutiny unheard of in almost any other job, hurling abuse from the stands or, via social media, from the sofa.

On the other, average fans have far less money than a professional footballer and have far more to lose if they get in trouble. ďI suppose you donít really see footballers as normal people because they live such a lavish lifestyle, theyíre worlds apart,Ē says David.

The anonymous fan is very contrite about his actions.

ďIf I could speak to El Ghazi now Iíd say that Iím sorry if it came across as hurtful, and that it was only meant in criticism. It was sad that Anwar felt the need to quit Twitter and in fact quite shameful that Villa fans prompted that reaction out of him.Ē

But there is something particularly personal about abuse on Twitter, which rather than simply tweeting about the player, incorporates their username so they see the tweet as a notification, which can feel like a personal message as they check their phone in the dressing room after a disappointing performance.

ďI usually do speak to players directly, not because I want to shame them, but more in the fact I think, if Iím going to say something, I shouldnít beat around the bush ó I should just say it,Ē says the anonymous fan.

Like many clubs, Villa hire sports psychologists to help players manage the mental burden of playing at the top level. ďYou can tell when players are having bad days because you get to know them the longer youíre with them. Theyíre human beings and have emotions,Ē said Villa manager Dean Smith earlier this season. 

ďThey have sensitivities and sometimes some of them might need a quiet word and you get a good feel then if there is anything and, if you canít deal with it yourself or your coaches canít, you can tip off your sports psychologist. Then, you can see if they want to talk discreetly but they might not want to talk. I would never force my sports psychologist to go and speak to anybody.Ē

El Ghazi was one of the first signings by Villa owners Nassef Sawiris and Wes Edens who took over the club in the summer of 2018 and have helped engineer a remarkable turnaround. The Dutchman signed on loan from Lille at first and was known for being rather shy and quiet in the dressing room and training ground, but strong performances on the pitch, as well as a family member living in England, helped him settle in.

The undoubted highlight of his Villa career so far was a stooping header just before half-time in the 2019 play-off final at Wembley, helping Villa beat Frank Lampardís Derby County 2-1 and win promotion back to the Premier League after three years of absence.

The player then signed on a permanent deal but didnít quite hit the same heights in his first season in the Premier League, though did score six goals and demonstrated his versatility by playing up front during an injury crisis last winter, performing well in the two-legged League Cup semi-final win over Leicester City. He is said to be consistently excellent in training, skilful and an excellent finisher, hence club captain Jack Grealishís surprising decision to hand him the ball to take the vital penalty against Wolves.

Notably, it was Mings who took a stand to support his team-mate this weekend.



The two men clashed (above) last September during a home draw with West Ham, when the Dutchman reacted furiously to the England international questioning his commitment to tracking back. El Ghazi is known for being a fiery character, which means he is more likely than many players to struggle with social media criticism, particularly when it crosses the line into outright abuse.

The El Ghazi incident has kicked off a wider debate in football, with Watfordís Troy Deeney saying on Talksport that players who are affected by social media abuse should log off. ďYour world still spins without social media.Ē

Both fans who spoke to The Athletic maintain their right to criticise their teamís players ó men who earn money beyond the fansí wildest dreams to pull on the claret-and-blue shirt. But both also accept there is a clear line between criticism and targeted abuse, which is not acceptable.

As for El Ghazi, the road ahead is a tough one because Villa have made several signings since last season and have been performing far better as a result. ďWeíve been able to keep a consistent team this season for the ten games weíve played,Ē said Dean Smith after the win at Wolves. ďItís been very difficult for anybody else to break into the team.Ē

Injuries and suspensions, though, mean El Ghazi is likely to start against Burnley at Villa Park on Thursday.

ďAll the players here have got a future,Ē says Dean Smith.

The Dutchman has shut himself off from social media for the past couple of months. This means he has protected himself from seeing some nasty abuse. But over the past few days, it also means he has missed out on a wave of positivity from Villa fans on social media.

Perhaps in training this week one of his team-mates will load up the Twitter app and show him that El Ghazi has a lot of admirers among the Villa fanbase, who are willing him on to play well this season, and will never forget that magic moment at Wembley.
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Post by: SamTheMouse on December 15, 2020, 02:09:39 PM
Nothing wrong with criticising players on here or similar forums after a game, within reason. Seeking out somebody's Twitter to abuse them so you know they will read it is cuntish behaviour though. I have no sympathy for trolls whatsoever. Fair play Tyrone.

This is spot on for me. Part of the fun of football is getting overly emotional about things, experiencing the highs and the lows. Going mental when your team does well, getting irate when they don't. Calling players names on an internet forum when they've made a mistake is part and parcel of the whole thing, and in the vast majority of cases I'm sure none of us really mean it at all. It's just an exercise in venting spleen.

But abusing someone directly is bullying, and the sort of things actual c**ts do.
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Post by: paul_e on December 15, 2020, 09:41:14 PM
Even on forums I think some people take things too far. Saying a player isn't good enough or has had bad games or highlighting  faults in their game is all fine but too often posts move from that to "he just needs to fuck off", "he's not putting the effort in", "he's a coward", etc. I get people are frustrated but for me those sort of comments are pointless knee-jerk anger and not really anything worth discussing. What often happens is after a bad defeat there's a bunch of threads that just aren't worth visiting as it turns into an argument over whether a player is fucking shit or not. I know I've done it in the past, some of my posts about Bruce, Taylor and Lansbury are pretty embarrassing to read back. I don't follow any players on social media because it's just a swamp and people take things way too far almost every week.
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Post by: KevinGage on December 16, 2020, 09:40:15 AM
Mings didn't seem to like the reaction of Villa fans either after the Leicester debacle just before the lockdown.

We all know the sort of phrases that are completely beyond the pale (particularly in the current climate) but fans calling him out for another sub standard defensive performance back then had every right to say it after paying their money and sitting through that muck.

He enjoys the praise (and he had plenty in his first 12 months + at the club) he can wear the criticism when it's merited. Same for AEG and anyone else.  I like El Ghazi, along with the 2017/18 team, the 18/19 team restored my enjoyment in watching Villa and that was due in no small part to him.

I also thought some of the things said after the Everton miss were way OTT. But his form had been ropey since the turn of the year and the way he carries himself at times doesn't help.  If form deserts you, the workrate shouldn't. If anything, you should be snapping into tackles and upping the workrate to turn the thing around.  I accept that's not a natural part of his game. But Villa fans (like most fans) will always warm to a trier over a show pony.

Trezeguet provides a decent example in that regard. Came to us as a winger with a reputation for mazy dribbling and hit and miss end product. Has turned himself into the reincarnation of Des Bremner.

With Jack operating predominately on the left now, there isn't a regular slot in his favoured position. He needs to force an opening elsewhere.
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Post by: paul_e on December 16, 2020, 10:02:57 AM
He enjoys the praise (and he had plenty in his first 12 months + at the club) he can wear the criticism when it's merited.[/b} Same for AEG and anyone else.  I like El Ghazi, along with the 2017/18 team, the 18/19 team restored my enjoyment in watching Villa and that was due in no small part to him.

This is important bit but what constitutes 'criticism' is a key part of the discussion. Telling someone their performance wasn't good enough and they need to sort it out is fine, telling someone they're a c**t for missing a chance isn't and never will be. That's the line that gets crossed far too easily by football fans.
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Post by: Mister E on December 16, 2020, 10:19:27 AM
AEG - the archetypal player of unfulfilled potential. He has shown great talent on the ball and has contributed goals and assists, but there's always a sense that there could be more.
Here's hoping.
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Post by: Lastfootstamper on December 16, 2020, 11:02:23 AM
I felt he needed a break last season, he was clearly crumbling under the relentless backs-to-the-wall pressure. I hoped he'd pick up during restart, but still not. Here's hoping that now, if he gets his chance in a 'front foot' team, he can get back to that player of '18/19, because I love players that widen your eyes and quicken your pulse when they get on the ball, make you mutter the words "go on, son", and he certainly did that to me back then.
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Post by: OCD on December 16, 2020, 11:25:32 AM
He enjoys the praise (and he had plenty in his first 12 months + at the club) he can wear the criticism when it's merited.[/b} Same for AEG and anyone else.  I like El Ghazi, along with the 2017/18 team, the 18/19 team restored my enjoyment in watching Villa and that was due in no small part to him.

I'm not on Twitter but I imagine posts on there go a lot further than calling someone a c*** for missing a big chance. Death threats and other disgusting things about family members etc. It's really for the lowest of the low.

This is important bit but what constitutes 'criticism' is a key part of the discussion. Telling someone their performance wasn't good enough and they need to sort it out is fine, telling someone they're a c**t for missing a chance isn't and never will be. That's the line that gets crossed far too easily by football fans.
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Post by: KevinGage on December 16, 2020, 11:35:04 AM
I felt he needed a break last season, he was clearly crumbling under the relentless backs-to-the-wall pressure. I hoped he'd pick up during restart, but still not. Here's hoping that now, if he gets his chance in a 'front foot' team, he can get back to that player of '18/19, because I love players that widen your eyes and quicken your pulse when they get on the ball, make you mutter the words "go on, son", and he certainly did that to me back then.

Indeed.

Top marks for the Everton (at home) celebrations after the second goal as well.
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Post by: paul_e on December 16, 2020, 01:37:38 PM
He enjoys the praise (and he had plenty in his first 12 months + at the club) he can wear the criticism when it's merited.[/b} Same for AEG and anyone else.  I like El Ghazi, along with the 2017/18 team, the 18/19 team restored my enjoyment in watching Villa and that was due in no small part to him.
This is important bit but what constitutes 'criticism' is a key part of the discussion. Telling someone their performance wasn't good enough and they need to sort it out is fine, telling someone they're a c**t for missing a chance isn't and never will be. That's the line that gets crossed far too easily by football fans.
I'm not on Twitter but I imagine posts on there go a lot further than calling someone a c*** for missing a big chance. Death threats and other disgusting things about family members etc. It's really for the lowest of the low.

I started at a point that was only just over the line on purpose but yes, threats of violence aren't particularly unusual on there.

Just look at some of the stuff targeted at Jack from the noses (and the inevitable consequence of someone thinking it was ok to run on the pitch and punch him).

Twitter for 'normal' people is pointless, for celebrities it's dangerous (mostly to their careers if they say anything that's controversial), you could easily remove 90% of the accounts on there and lose nothing of value, just keep James Blunt and Ryan Reynolds and I'd be happy.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 16, 2020, 05:19:52 PM
I love players that widen your eyes and quicken your pulse when they get on the ball, make you mutter the words "go on, son", and he certainly did that to me back then.

Agree on the first two points (oh the memories - deserves its' own thread) but not the third. Even at his best he was a 5 - 10 minute player. I'm still not convinced he's a winger and a midfielder with his work ethic he most certainly isn't. I think Dean has got it right, give him 10-15 minutes off the bench and see what happens. Same with Traore.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on December 20, 2020, 09:32:26 PM
Pleased for Anwar. Heís dug in, kept going,  and now heís getting rewards.
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Post by: darren woolley on December 20, 2020, 09:39:18 PM
Three goals in three game's brilliant.
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Post by: brontebilly on December 20, 2020, 10:38:56 PM
Has always had the talent. Let's see how he does against better opposition than the last two games but great to have him as a real option again. Bad time for Trez to pick up an injury.
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on December 20, 2020, 10:54:39 PM
Really pleased for him.  If he could shoot from distance, whilst on the move, heís be a helluva player.

I know it shouldnít be important but i love it when we extract every ounce of ability/value out off a player rather than just let them drift by signing more and more replacements.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on December 20, 2020, 10:59:21 PM
Itís his attitude that has got him here. Just like Trez before he got hurt. AEG took a lot of grief last season, that miss at Everton and no doubt after Burnley. But heís remained positive, has numerous positive influences around him and through hard work and now good displays deserves his chance to stay in the team. Itís great that even when not playing our players seem to remain a cohesive and motivated unit.
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Post by: aj2k77 on December 20, 2020, 11:29:42 PM
Well done my son.
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Post by: OCD on December 21, 2020, 11:36:29 AM
I know it shouldnít be important but i love it when we extract every ounce of ability/value out off a player rather than just let them drift by signing more and more replacements.


Yep, agree with that. It's been great to see AEG, Traore and Trez step their games up and make it feel like we've got a decent sized squad with competition for places.

My only criticism of AEG is that he can be a bit too shot happy at times.
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Post by: fbriai on December 21, 2020, 01:05:11 PM
I get the impression he's been told to cut in and shoot as much as possible, because Jack gets so much attention and he'll likely find a bit more space. They clearly rate his finishing ability in training and he's just coming into the right age now. A bit of confidence and he could really kick on.
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Post by: JD on December 23, 2020, 09:49:03 PM
He needs to keep his shots lower. I have noticed that a lot of shots from AEG are towards the top corner and therefore easier for the keeper to save. If he kept more shots low he would score more. The chance for the hattrick goal the other day is a classic example.

Still saying that, I am very pleased with the effort he is putting in and loves his penalties.
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Post by: olaftab on December 23, 2020, 09:59:56 PM
I think if we can somehow join up best bits of Anwar, Trez and Bertrand we will have a world class player.
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Post by: rooboy316 on December 24, 2020, 06:18:57 AM
I think if we can somehow join up best bits of Anwar, Trez and Bertrand we will have a world class player.

Depends what you mean by world class...

Winky thing.
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Post by: Singapore Villa on December 24, 2020, 02:08:31 PM
World class?  Just ask Footyskillz
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Post by: DrGonzo on December 24, 2020, 09:22:33 PM
I'm a sucker for seeing the best in our flock.  After his input in getting us back to the Prem I am so glad that he is having some influence still.  All competition is good and we've lacked of that up front for far too long.  The boy has shown balls in his perfromances and I respect him for taking the chance, some would have sulked it out (N'Zogbia anyone?).
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Post by: Risso on December 24, 2020, 10:16:51 PM
He's the absolute polar opposite of N'Zogbia.  Probably not as naturally talented but 100 times more dedicated to his career.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on December 26, 2020, 04:37:48 PM
Heís been fucking brilliant since he came back into the side.
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Post by: Ad@m on December 26, 2020, 04:41:00 PM
It just shows what good coaching and a bit of competition can do!
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Post by: Drummond on December 26, 2020, 04:47:02 PM
Earned his wages this week again. Good lad.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on December 26, 2020, 04:47:28 PM
Just fucking love everything about him. The attitude is absolutely top drawer and he's proven he absolutely belongs at this level.
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Post by: Deano's Mullet on December 26, 2020, 05:07:48 PM
Fantastic today. Our goal of the season so far i think and at times he looks truly world class.
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Post by: brontebilly on December 26, 2020, 05:09:47 PM
Some finish....
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Post by: Ger Regan on December 26, 2020, 05:10:31 PM
Absolutely deligthed to be proven wrong about him at the minute. I didn't really question his ability, but thought his attitude was way off. Keep it up, Anwar.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 26, 2020, 05:11:41 PM
So that's what he does in training - bloody hell, that was some finish.
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Post by: Aldridge Villa on December 26, 2020, 05:12:10 PM
Been a critic in the past but absolutely fantastic of late. Great to see a smile on his face.
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Post by: Steve67 on December 26, 2020, 05:14:07 PM
He's no longer just making up the numbers.  Contributing really well.  I was surprised that he didn't get the hook instead of Traore, but what a good decision.  Played really well.
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Post by: darren woolley on December 26, 2020, 05:15:10 PM
Brilliant goal from Anwar.
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Post by: supertom on December 26, 2020, 05:15:32 PM
Confidence makes all the difference. He was buzzing today. He's a talent. It was hard going in a relegation scrap. In this side, where everything seems to be ticking, he looks excellent. Yeah perhaps he needs 4-5 chances to score 1, but the big thing is, he's making those 4-5 chances.
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Post by: OCD on December 26, 2020, 05:43:05 PM
Great vote of confidence for him today, to be kept on in favour of Traore.
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Post by: LukeJames on December 26, 2020, 05:50:06 PM
I wouldnt have cared if we'd sold him for £5m three weeks ago, absolute rammed my thoughts down my throat.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on December 26, 2020, 06:19:53 PM
Heís clearly worked bloody hard at his game. Heís doing his pressing work much more diligently. That quality for the goal was something else. Fully deserves his place.
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Post by: manic-road on December 26, 2020, 06:21:16 PM
I wouldnt have cared if we'd sold him for £5m three weeks ago, absolute rammed my thoughts down my throat.

Same, looks a diferent player since getting back in the team.
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Post by: four fornicholl on December 26, 2020, 06:33:17 PM
Brilliant goal from Anwar.
Whipped and whacked, love it.
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Post by: Ian. on December 26, 2020, 06:36:14 PM
Wow. Heís really playing well. Superb again today.
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Post by: eamonn on December 26, 2020, 06:37:48 PM
So that's what he does in training - bloody hell, that was some finish.

You've been his biggest critic !
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Post by: Monty on December 26, 2020, 06:40:38 PM
Honestly I thought this season he'd be a casualty of our levelling-up, and it certainly seemed that way at first. The last few games, however, he's seriously increased what I reckon his ceiling is, and totally beyond what I'd predicted. Really seriously impressive.
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Post by: Risso on December 26, 2020, 06:42:20 PM
Everybody knows now that their place isn't nailed on, and if you want to get in, you have to take your chance with both hands, and play at a consistent level. So far he's doing that, and more power to him.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 26, 2020, 06:42:46 PM
Heís clearly worked bloody hard at his game. Heís doing his pressing work much more diligently.

He may have been frustrated and disappointed that Trez was in the team ahead of him this season but the results justified the decision. The real key factor though of picking Trez in front of him was the workrate. AEG is now putting in a shift, something that was never really part of his game. Neither are great footballers but at least now AEG is for the first time doing more right than wrong. I reckon he's a real confidence player so should be buzzing after that goal. There's so much he needs to do to become a regular but I can't fault his effort, he's learning and growing at the same time.

If he can add to his game some crossing and improve on his shooting from open play, he may be another player that we look to keep rather than replace. Right now I'll just sit back and enjoy that goal. It was perfect.

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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 26, 2020, 06:45:27 PM
So that's what he does in training - bloody hell, that was some finish.

You've been his biggest critic !

Ha! The jury is still out but as above, when he deserves praise, he'll get it. See Targett, Matthew.
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Post by: Exeter 77 on December 26, 2020, 06:49:59 PM
He took his goal brilliantly today but there was a point early in the second half wide on the right just in from the touchline when he just bamboozled two Palace players with dummied a pass which left them looking at each other and then at him in complete disbelief as he closed in on the penalty area.
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Post by: Dave on December 26, 2020, 07:07:26 PM
He took his goal brilliantly today but there was a point early in the second half wide on the right just in from the touchline when he just bamboozled two Palace players with dummied a pass which left them looking at each other and then at him in complete disbelief as he closed in on the penalty area.

Yup, that was lovely. Last couple of matches are probably the best he's ever been for us.
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Post by: brontebilly on December 26, 2020, 07:10:48 PM
Put in some cracking crosses in the second half too. One of which Watkins should have done a lot better with. Two feet, quick, built like a brick shithouse...he has all the skills to be a top player, whether he has it upstairs is another matter

I always had faith in him but jacked it in after his cameo at West Ham when he was shocking....😂
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Post by: West Derby Villan on December 26, 2020, 07:42:31 PM
Great vote of confidence for him today, to be kept on in favour of Traore.

Totally agree and showed Deano that the trust wasnít misplaced by scoring a scorcher!
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Post by: eamonn on December 26, 2020, 10:24:33 PM
Sky used to measure the speed of shots, would be curious to know what mph that was as it hit the net.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on December 28, 2020, 07:28:12 PM
Playing like a man possessed right now. Another critical goal, and another sneaking in at the back post. Well done, great display again today.
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Post by: Proposition Joe on December 28, 2020, 07:32:03 PM
That's why we call him Ronaldo :-)
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Post by: West Derby Villan on December 28, 2020, 07:44:45 PM
Competition for places will be awesome in the New Year, wow well played AEG
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 28, 2020, 08:35:21 PM
Thought he generally had a frustrating day today (he wasn't alone) but you can't argue when he's knocking them in. A very Trez like goal, ghosting in at the far post. Brilliant.
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Post by: darren woolley on December 28, 2020, 08:53:26 PM
Another goal by Anwar he's on fire long may it continue.
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Post by: myf on December 29, 2020, 02:22:38 PM
he's been on fire. to think of the dog's abuse he got on here after the Everton away game.
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Post by: Steve67 on December 29, 2020, 06:02:20 PM
He seems happy to take players on and beat them, I guess this comes with confidence and he is playing well.  Certainly in on merit at the moment.
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Post by: dcdavecollett on December 29, 2020, 07:21:44 PM
Amazing how consistent he has become; perhaps one of the benefits of being put under pressure for his place?
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Post by: Dave on January 08, 2021, 01:58:21 PM
Both he and Martinez have been nominated for Premier League player of the month.

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Post by: Steve67 on January 08, 2021, 05:16:40 PM
Do we know how this is voted on or do we just have to leave to the Manchester United Board to tell us?
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Post by: aj2k77 on January 08, 2021, 05:51:52 PM
VAR will decide. 4 men in a darkened room, all dressed in full kit, complete with whistle. They will flash the result up after the second penalty decision during ManUre's Fa Cup game.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 08, 2021, 05:55:39 PM
Rhetorical question but with him getting shortlisted, banging in a few important goals, if we were to sell him this window, how much would we get for him?
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Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 27, 2021, 11:37:00 PM
This guy gets a lot of stick but he really has been a pivotal part of our recovery since he joined.  Some vital goals.  I love the bloke.  And he can take a penalty.
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Post by: eamonn on February 27, 2021, 11:38:36 PM
Since Conor left he's got the best shot at the club. Lots of power, little back-lift. Has learned the Trez knack of ghosting in at the back post too.
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Post by: olaftab on February 28, 2021, 12:54:14 AM
Does he stand a chance of getting in the Dutch squad for Euros?
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Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on February 28, 2021, 07:16:03 AM
A match winning performance by Anwar. Tired n the 2nd half but on the whole played very well. A confidence player!
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Post by: bjfoster on February 28, 2021, 08:29:00 AM
Surely one of the most Jekyll and Hyde players weíve ever had?

When he is on it, he is direct, running at players, scoring goals and getting nominated for player of the month.

When heís not, he looks like heís never seen a football before.

Need to keep him on the left as this is where he is best, obviously presents problems once Jack is back. Well played tho, lad.
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Post by: Ads on February 28, 2021, 09:42:46 AM
He looks like Ronaldo when he's on it, absolutely unstoppable, powerful and direct winger. Can go with either foot, works hard and can beat a man.

Then he looks like a pub player.
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Post by: Ian. on February 28, 2021, 09:53:00 AM
Him and Traore between them have really stepped up at times and are a joy to watch.
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Post by: Risso on February 28, 2021, 10:05:50 AM
He looks like Ronaldo when he's on it, absolutely unstoppable, powerful and direct winger. Can go with either foot, works hard and can beat a man.

Then he looks like a pub player.


Agreed mate. He looked every inch the top half Premier League attacking player yesterday. Against West Ham, he looked Beazer Homes league, he literally didn't do a single thing right. Be interesting to see who gets dropped out of him and Bert when Grealish is fit. On yesterday's form you couldn't see it being El Ghazi. I suppose the good thing is Smith probably feels there's no pressure to rush Jack back if he's not quite ready now.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on February 28, 2021, 10:15:36 AM
If you are talking about Traore and AEG fighting for a place, where does that leave Barkley?
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 28, 2021, 10:18:16 AM
I suppose the good thing is Smith probably feels there's no pressure to rush Jack back if he's not quite ready now.

No point rushing Jack back for the Sheffield Utd. game. If he is fit have him raring to go for Wolves and use the next game to have a further look at our options in midfield.
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Post by: Mister E on February 28, 2021, 10:19:42 AM

If you are talking about Traore and AEG fighting for a place, where does that leave Barkley?
On the bench?
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Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on February 28, 2021, 10:21:43 AM

If you are talking about Traore and AEG fighting for a place, where does that leave Barkley?
On the bench?
If he's lucky!
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Post by: Mellin on February 28, 2021, 10:33:56 AM
Our best form since the start of the season was with Ghazi left, Grealish central and Traore right. I'd like to see us go back to that when Jack's back.
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Post by: Richard on February 28, 2021, 10:38:27 AM
Our best form since the start of the season was with Ghazi left, Grealish central and Traore right. I'd like to see us go back to that when Jack's back.

Interesting as you could equally argue Trez Barkley Jack if you're talking about the whole season so far....nice to have options anyway
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 28, 2021, 10:42:26 AM
He looks like Ronaldo when he's on it, absolutely unstoppable, powerful and direct winger. Can go with either foot, works hard and can beat a man.

Then he looks like a pub player.


Agreed mate. He looked every inch the top half Premier League attacking player yesterday. Against West Ham, he looked Beazer Homes league, he literally didn't do a single thing right. Be interesting to see who gets dropped out of him and Bert when Grealish is fit. On yesterday's form you couldn't see it being El Ghazi. I suppose the good thing is Smith probably feels there's no pressure to rush Jack back if he's not quite ready now.

That's the thing though, Traore and AEG are sometimes great and often really not at it at all, which is the difference between good players and great ones.

He looked well up for it last night, was great to see.

I always remember people would get annoyed by Carew being inconsistent, and Woodhall always used to point out that if he was consistently at his (very good) best, he wouldn't be here in the first place. Don't think that has direct relevance to AEG, but just sprang to mind.
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Post by: exigo on February 28, 2021, 10:47:23 AM
Looked like he was using the red card from his last game at that shithole as motivation last night. We should tell him he was wrongfully sent off at Bramall Lane as well.
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Post by: Olof's Beard on February 28, 2021, 11:00:28 AM
He looks like Ronaldo when he's on it, absolutely unstoppable, powerful and direct winger. Can go with either foot, works hard and can beat a man.

Then he looks like a pub player.


Agreed mate. He looked every inch the top half Premier League attacking player yesterday. Against West Ham, he looked Beazer Homes league, he literally didn't do a single thing right. Be interesting to see who gets dropped out of him and Bert when Grealish is fit. On yesterday's form you couldn't see it being El Ghazi. I suppose the good thing is Smith probably feels there's no pressure to rush Jack back if he's not quite ready now.

That's the thing though, Traore and AEG are sometimes great and often really not at it at all, which is the difference between good players and great ones.

He looked well up for it last night, was great to see.

I always remember people would get annoyed by Carew being inconsistent, and Woodhall always used to point out that if he was consistently at his (very good) best, he wouldn't be here in the first place. Don't think that has direct relevance to AEG, but just sprang to mind.

El Ghazi has started 8 matches, scored 6 and in one of the games he didn't score, he could have had a hat trick (Burnley at home).

I think the accusation of inconsistency is a hangover from last season. He has been anything but inconsistent this season. Before he got his chance from the start, he had looked good in his cameos from the bench. Then when he did start, he kept scoring. Everyone seems to remember his one bad half against West Ham when he had come in from the cold post-Covid and the whole team was awful.

His current scoring rate would earn him 25 goals plus across a season. Of course it is unlikely that he would keep up that ratio but he has definitely earned the right to give it a go. Our attacking output is greater when he is in the team on current evidence.

Him, Jack and Traore behind Watkins should be the default option when we expect to be on the front foot. We can mix it up for trickier games as we did yesterday. I like the idea of this tactical flexibility lark.
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Post by: darren woolley on February 28, 2021, 11:17:02 AM
He played well scoring his sixth goal of the season.
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Post by: Flamingo Lane on February 28, 2021, 12:09:24 PM
It won't win any goal of the season award, but his goal yesterday was quite superb, showing anticipation, control, clinical finishing and, above all, remarkable balance at a time early in the game when every other player on the pitch seemed to be struggling just to stand up.

I always thought that El Ghazi was extremely unlucky to lose his place in the team after his run of scoring in December, and unfair that he received a degree of singling out for what was a terrible team performance against West Ham.   So I'm pleased that he 'came good' again when selected to start yesterday. 
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Post by: Mellin on February 28, 2021, 12:12:49 PM
Our best form since the start of the season was with Ghazi left, Grealish central and Traore right. I'd like to see us go back to that when Jack's back.

Interesting as you could equally argue Trez Barkley Jack if you're talking about the whole season so far....nice to have options anyway

Against Liverpool and Leicester definitely. Half of that start was without Barkley though. But like you say, nice options. Squad's really stepping up.
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Post by: OCD on February 28, 2021, 12:49:00 PM
Rather than being inconsistent, I wonder whether it's more the case that it takes him a game or two when he comes back into the starting line-up to get into form.
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Post by: Pete3206 on February 28, 2021, 01:04:21 PM
Always rated El Ghazi, but he needs to cut out the stinkers and find some consistency.
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Post by: Lastfootstamper on February 28, 2021, 01:05:36 PM
I'll be happy if at the end of the season I can look back at our squad and give them all a rating of about 7Ĺ. With a hardworking midfielder, you'd probably prefer them getting that kind of score game in, game out. I can more than live with my wingers and suchlike getting that from a mix of 9s and 6s. He was great yesterday, looked like he could beat them on his own in that first half an hour. A real joy to watch when he's proper on it.
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Post by: Olof's Beard on February 28, 2021, 01:10:33 PM
Always rated El Ghazi, but he needs to cut out the stinkers and find some consistency.

Other than 45 minutes against West Ham with some mitigating circumstances, when has he had a stinker this season?
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Post by: Risso on February 28, 2021, 02:06:14 PM
Always rated El Ghazi, but he needs to cut out the stinkers and find some consistency.

Other than 45 minutes against West Ham with some mitigating circumstances, when has he had a stinker this season?

Last week against Leicester.
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Post by: Olof's Beard on February 28, 2021, 02:11:02 PM
Always rated El Ghazi, but he needs to cut out the stinkers and find some consistency.

Other than 45 minutes against West Ham with some mitigating circumstances, when has he had a stinker this season?

Last week against Leicester.

He wasn't that bad. First game back again an'all.
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Post by: jwarry on February 28, 2021, 04:03:02 PM
He clearly has ability so itís all in his head.  He can vere from Ronaldo to a poor pub player. Dean obviously doesnít think he merits a regular start so heís still on a knife edge if you ask me
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Post by: LeeB on February 28, 2021, 04:10:24 PM
I think he's better when we're setting up to counter than when we have more ball and onus to break teams down, when he gets a head of steam up and bit of space to play in he comes alive, and he's got really good instincts in and around the 6 yard box.
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Post by: Flin5tone on February 28, 2021, 05:42:36 PM
Great guy, with a brilliant attitude . Barkley could learn a thing or two from AEG
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Post by: JuanMartinez on February 28, 2021, 05:57:50 PM
Glad AEG seems to have turned things around especially after the pelters he got off a section of fans last season.
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on February 28, 2021, 05:59:08 PM
Great guy, with a brilliant attitude . Barkley could learn a thing or two from AEG


You really donít like Barkley do you ?
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Post by: eamonn on February 28, 2021, 06:40:16 PM
Always rated El Ghazi, but he needs to cut out the stinkers and find some consistency.

Other than 45 minutes against West Ham with some mitigating circumstances, when has he had a stinker this season?

Last week against Leicester.

He wasn't that bad. First game back again an'all.

Played a part in our goal, too. Nice little headed return to Targett.
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Post by: RichardBatchelor on February 28, 2021, 06:47:39 PM
Great guy, with a brilliant attitude . Barkley could learn a thing or two from AEG


You really donít like Barkley do you ?

No personal stuff from me and it's just my opinion but I think we would be unwise to write Barkley off. What he adds to Jack's game and what Jack adds to his when their partnership works is not inconsiderable. Their link up play has been magical at times. We should aim to get that back.
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Post by: Mister E on February 28, 2021, 06:59:58 PM
Great guy, with a brilliant attitude . Barkley could learn a thing or two from AEG
You really donít like Barkley do you ?
No personal stuff from me and it's just my opinion but I think we would be unwise to write Barkley off. What he adds to Jack's game and what Jack adds to his when their partnership works is not inconsiderable. Their link up play has been magical at times. We should aim to get that back.
... selecting the right games to do that.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on February 28, 2021, 07:05:09 PM
An impact Barkley might is players like AEG working hard to stay in the team.
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Post by: Risso on February 28, 2021, 07:27:45 PM
No personal stuff from me and it's just my opinion but I think we would be unwise to write Barkley off. What he adds to Jack's game and what Jack adds to his when their partnership works is not inconsiderable. Their link up play has been magical at times. We should aim to get that back.

I think you've inadvertently highlighted the main problem with Barkley.  He's the ultimate luxury player, so when all of the rest of your team hit their best form at once he looks brilliant. As soon as a few players have a dip though, and you need somebody to make things happen, he goes missing completely. I wouldn't write him off either, and I hope we can see him back in the form of earlier in the season, but I'd rather have 10 games of 7/10 performances from El Ghazi, than 2 9/10s from Barkley, with the rest 4 or 5s, which has been the case recently.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on March 01, 2021, 12:02:44 AM
If we are going to lash out £40m for him he needs to be an 8 when others are a 6 or 7, and a 9 when others are an 8. We can find lots of players in the £10-20m range to be solid 7ís but thatís not going to bridge the gap to the top 4.
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Post by: ROBBO on March 01, 2021, 05:07:04 AM
What struck me was the effort he put in all match until subbed, if he did that every game he would be an asset but too many times he seems to drift through games.
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Post by: Ian. on March 01, 2021, 07:23:06 AM
Iíd say his record this season suggests heís not really drifted through games at all. Heís had one or two stinkers but overall when weíve played him heís been superb.
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Post by: brontebilly on March 01, 2021, 08:59:33 AM
Has done well to get back into contention at all. That miss against Everton seemed to destroy his confidence for a while. Another enigmatic type, you can tell usually within 10 minutes if he's going to go well or have a stinker. Has all the attributes to be a top player at this level but is wildly inconsistent.
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Post by: Dave P on March 01, 2021, 09:12:30 AM
I've always said with wingers that they are mostly inconsistent.  We have three of them like that.  The likes that aren't are your Mahrez's who will cost £70m - £80m plus.  He is fine as are Traore and Trez.
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Post by: LeeB on March 01, 2021, 09:22:11 AM
Has done well to get back into contention at all. That miss against Everton seemed to destroy his confidence for a while. Another enigmatic type, you can tell usually within 10 minutes if he's going to go well or have a stinker. Has all the attributes to be a top player at this level but is wildly inconsistent.

To be honest, I've felt that watching the whole team this season. 
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Post by: Ian. on March 01, 2021, 09:57:21 AM
Yes, thatís very true. You do get a feeling from the off when weíre in for a hiding or you just know weíre not going to win. Our whole game goes from a very fast pressing and attacking style to a stroll around the park.
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Post by: Paulo on March 01, 2021, 11:57:35 AM
Hopefully he's done enough to stay in the team again. He was unlucky to get dropped to start with.

I always thought the balance of the team was better with El Ghazi on the left and Jack in the middle. It coincided with our best football and control of games. We look much poorer with Barkley in the middle (obviously) and teams were marking Jack out of the game.

If he's playing well, which is (more often than not at the moment) he's immense and means Jack can influence the game more from the middle.

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Post by: Dave on March 01, 2021, 02:12:29 PM
I've always said with wingers that they are mostly inconsistent.  We have three of them like that.  The likes that aren't are your Mahrez's who will cost £70m - £80m plus.  He is fine as are Traore and Trez.

Yup. Comes with the territory.

That's now seven goals for a season in which he's played around half the matches. For context, the most that Young ever got for us in a season was nine and he was playing pretty much every minute of every game.

A few duff matches here or there, which pretty much every winger will have, still don't diminish what's been a thoroughly impressive season.
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Post by: LeeB on March 01, 2021, 02:19:04 PM
I like him, have from the start, and did even when he'd turned into the anti-christ away at Everton for not scoring what was not as easy a chance as it was made out. He seems like a nice lad as well.

I like players that take shots too, it's an underrated part of the game. Except in the mind of Tonev.
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Post by: Drummond on March 01, 2021, 02:34:02 PM
I like him, have from the start, and did even when he'd turned into the anti-christ away at Everton for not scoring what was not as easy a chance as it was made out. He seems like a nice lad as well.

I like players that take shots too, it's an underrated part of the game. Except in the mind of Tonev.

It's quickly becoming a lost art I reckon, everyone seems to want total football and walking the ball into the net.
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 01, 2021, 02:40:14 PM
I like him, have from the start, and did even when he'd turned into the anti-christ away at Everton for not scoring what was not as easy a chance as it was made out. He seems like a nice lad as well.

I like players that take shots too, it's an underrated part of the game. Except in the mind of Tonev.

It's quickly becoming a lost art I reckon, everyone seems to want total football and walking the ball into the net.

Good point and his constant desire to shoot on sight was highlighted on MOTD.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 01, 2021, 04:54:29 PM
I don't think we should be selling him, but if anyone wants him in the summer they'd have to come in with big money. Goals, as we know, come at a premium.
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Post by: eamonn on March 01, 2021, 05:04:59 PM
Hard to place what his market value is....£7m or £25m or anything in between?!
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Post by: andyh on March 01, 2021, 05:08:42 PM
I completely agree that he seems like a nice kid.

He seems to me to be the epitome of a Ďconfidenceí player.
What he needs to to do is believe in himself as a premier league player and is good enough to be one. Iím not sure he always thinks that way.
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Post by: DrGonzo on March 01, 2021, 06:08:50 PM
I forget how young he is.  There's still a lot of scope for improvement in both ability and attitude at his age.
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Post by: paul_e on March 02, 2021, 11:23:25 AM
My biggest concern with him last year was that he didn't hit the target enough, it was about 40% last season but this year he's up to over 60% and it's making a huge difference to how effective he is. I suspect that's a result of work in training because he does seem to be a lot more composed now. It's the little changes like that that I think Smith and co deserve huge credit for.
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Post by: in exile on March 02, 2021, 11:39:37 AM
I forget how young he is.  There's still a lot of scope for improvement in both ability and attitude at his age.
He confuses the hell out of me, as does Trez.
How old is he?
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 02, 2021, 12:40:12 PM
25, I think.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on March 02, 2021, 02:01:13 PM
What struck me was the effort he put in all match until subbed, if he did that every game he would be an asset but too many times he seems to drift through games.

Indeed, he's normally like the shopkeeper in Mr Ben; he does a bit of magic then disappears for the rest of the programme. If he can maintain his current effort and form I'd keep him around next season but I'd still love us to sign a proper winger in the summer. I would hope it's top of Dean's shopping list.
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Post by: Smithy on March 02, 2021, 07:20:00 PM
He strikes me as the sort of footballer who thrives on confidence. I don't mean so much the confidence you get in a run of form over a few games, I mean the confidence you get IN a game.  If you look back at his better games, they all start with him doing something pretty good in the first few minutes.  If his first few involvements are below par, I worry about the next 80 minutes.

Clearly he's got the ability to be a decent squad asset for a premier league team challenging in the top half, and with a bit more consistency he could have a decent career here.  But without that consistency, I fear we'll be looking to more consistent players capable of giving 7/8 out of 10 every week.  They might not be technically any better, just able to reproduce week in week out.
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Post by: brontebilly on March 02, 2021, 07:27:48 PM
Hard to place what his market value is....£7m or £25m or anything in between?!

In between....his numbers are decent this season. As often commented on here, if he could match the graft of Trez there wouldn't be a debate as to who was the better player. His corners and set pieces were decent the last day out too. I suspected he would always struggle against the better full backs but Ayling has been having a very good season and he well and truly got the better of him.

For a guy with his frame, he should be better able to protect the ball. Sometimes he offers bambi like resistance.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on March 13, 2021, 04:01:08 PM
I thought he was our worst player last night and responsible for giving the ball away that led to the equaliser.
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Post by: eamonn on March 14, 2021, 11:45:28 PM
Probably the most frustrating player in the squad given talent to output.
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Post by: dcdavecollett on March 15, 2021, 01:55:49 AM
He reminds me of Tommy Johnson- a real confidence player.

If he does something good in the first 15 minutes, watch out!

Otherwise...
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Post by: Hockley Lion on April 05, 2021, 10:57:42 PM
In case anyone is interested here's a few stats.

AEG's goal at Chelsea got us a point. His goal at Wolves in extra time got us 3 points, and his goal against Leeds also got us the 3 points. He's scored 7 goals this season like Jack and got us 7 points with 3 of them. His minute's per goal is 176. Bettered only by Barry who scored 1 in 90 min.

Question is. Is that a bad return?
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 05, 2021, 11:01:16 PM
I guess, as a winger, it depends on the assists stats.
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Post by: andyh on April 05, 2021, 11:02:37 PM
In case anyone is interested here's a few stats.

AEG's goal at Chelsea got us a point. His goal at Wolves in extra time got us 3 points, and his goal against Leeds also got us the 3 points. He's scored 7 goals this season like Jack and got us 7 points with 3 of them. His minute's per goal is 176. Bettered only by Barry who scored 1 in 90 min.

Question is. Is that a bad return?
It doesnít actually work like that though,does it.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on April 05, 2021, 11:04:22 PM
Anwar is a useful squad player. When in form heís very handy, but when out of form he struggles to be effective.
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Post by: KevinGage on April 05, 2021, 11:16:54 PM
The goal ratio is fine.  Good, even.

The assists less so.  Ideally you also want a winger tying up at least two markers where possible, and freeing space for others.

He did that a bit in the Championship, less so in the top flight. So far.
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Post by: Hockley Lion on April 05, 2021, 11:16:55 PM
In case anyone is interested here's a few stats.

AEG's goal at Chelsea got us a point. His goal at Wolves in extra time got us 3 points, and his goal against Leeds also got us the 3 points. He's scored 7 goals this season like Jack and got us 7 points with 3 of them. His minute's per goal is 176. Bettered only by Barry who scored 1 in 90 min.

Question is. Is that a bad return?
It doesnít actually work like that though,does it.

So what is it, a poor return? How do you see it?
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Post by: eamonn on April 05, 2021, 11:45:21 PM
Barry who?
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Post by: Hockley Lion on April 05, 2021, 11:57:19 PM
The goal ratio is fine.  Good, even.

The assists less so.  Ideally you also want a winger tying up at least two markers where possible, and freeing space for others.

He did that a bit in the Championship, less so in the top flight. So far.

Accepted. More assists would be great😀. My point is in the games I mentioned his goals alone got us the points. 3 goals, 7 points. They were the only goals we scored in those games. I don't think it's a bad return really. He gets so much stick so much of the time from some on here. I'm just trying to cut him some slack. Utv.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on April 06, 2021, 12:05:25 AM
Barry who?
Venison
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Post by: Hockley Lion on April 06, 2021, 12:05:37 AM
Barry who?

Barry. Scored against Liverpool in the FA Cup. One of our youngsters. 17 years old. Plays for England U17's, Louie Barry.
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Post by: OzVilla on April 06, 2021, 12:10:00 AM
I like AEG and i'll always have a soft spot for him but if we as ambitious as we like to think we are he's a grade A example of a player that we need an upgrade on in the Summer.

I think we can get some decent money for him too, he'd be perfect for a promoted side for example (as would Hourihane).
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 06, 2021, 12:07:42 PM
The goal ratio is fine.  Good, even.

The assists less so.  Ideally you also want a winger tying up at least two markers where possible, and freeing space for others.

He did that a bit in the Championship, less so in the top flight. So far.

Accepted. More assists would be great😀. My point is in the games I mentioned his goals alone got us the points. 3 goals, 7 points. They were the only goals we scored in those games. I don't think it's a bad return really. He gets so much stick so much of the time from some on here. I'm just trying to cut him some slack. Utv.

I'd be the first to cut him some slack if he stopped disappearing in games and actually started to contribute for the team. With him on the pitch it's often like playing with 10 players. He normally does one good thing and that's it. We may as well take him off as he offers nothing more. As Mr Gage said, his goals to games ratio is fine, it's the rest where he fails.
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Post by: KevinGage on April 06, 2021, 12:11:37 PM
Just to add to that, I do like him as a player - and have done since he had that Championship Ronaldo look about him back in 2018/19.

The other things may come in time (hopefully for us) if he starts to believe in himself a bit more.
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Post by: Risso on April 06, 2021, 12:14:20 PM
Just to add to that, I do like him as a player - and have done since he had that Championship Ronaldo look about him back in 2018/19.

The other things may come in time (hopefully for us) if he starts to believe in himself a bit more.

When he's good he's very good, but when he's bad he's an absolute liability. On an off game he makes bad decision after bad decision, and all sorts of unforced errors. He's 26 in less than a month, so for a winger should really be in his prime.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 06, 2021, 12:31:41 PM
Just to add to that, I do like him as a player - and have done since he had that Championship Ronaldo look about him back in 2018/19.

The other things may come in time (hopefully for us) if he starts to believe in himself a bit more.

I think you're right on the lack of confidence, something certainly isn't right there but for all the good things he does, for me he's been a passenger for most of his time with us. I expect we'll look to sell in the summer.
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Post by: paul_e on April 06, 2021, 12:42:52 PM
Just to add to that, I do like him as a player - and have done since he had that Championship Ronaldo look about him back in 2018/19.

The other things may come in time (hopefully for us) if he starts to believe in himself a bit more.

When he's good he's very good, but when he's bad he's an absolute liability. On an off game he makes bad decision after bad decision, and all sorts of unforced errors. He's 26 in less than a month, so for a winger should really be in his prime.

Yep, that's why he's behind Traore and Trez for me, when they're bad they still have something to offer, AEG seems too mentally weak to cope with having a bad game and completely falls apart.
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Post by: LeeB on April 06, 2021, 01:26:26 PM
Just to add to that, I do like him as a player - and have done since he had that Championship Ronaldo look about him back in 2018/19.

The other things may come in time (hopefully for us) if he starts to believe in himself a bit more.

When he's good he's very good, but when he's bad he's an absolute liability. On an off game he makes bad decision after bad decision, and all sorts of unforced errors. He's 26 in less than a month, so for a winger should really be in his prime.

Yep, that's why he's behind Traore and Trez for me, when they're bad they still have something to offer, AEG seems too mentally weak to cope with having a bad game and completely falls apart.

Agree with all these posts, I thought he was beyond bad on Saturday, could've passed as George Weah's cousin.
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Post by: Jon Crofts on April 06, 2021, 01:54:28 PM
He's had almost 2 full seasons to establish himself at this level, he's bagged a couple of fabulous goals along the way but he's ineffective far too often, makes some poor decisions and on occasion goes completely missing, wouldn't be at all surprised if he was offloaded in the summer & that's a shame.
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Post by: brontebilly on April 06, 2021, 04:01:00 PM
He's had almost 2 full seasons to establish himself at this level, he's bagged a couple of fabulous goals along the way but he's ineffective far too often, makes some poor decisions and on occasion goes completely missing, wouldn't be at all surprised if he was offloaded in the summer & that's a shame.

That's where I am too....he has loads of ability but I don't think he has it in him mentally to do consistently at the highest level. One to cull at a decent price in the summer.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 06, 2021, 04:47:33 PM
He and Trez seem to have some kind of subconscious deal between them whereby if one of them is playing well, the other takes a back seat so that they can enjoy it. That wouldn't be so bad if they didn't so often forget that one of them is supposed to be on it at any given time!
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Post by: dcdavecollett on April 08, 2021, 12:39:32 AM
This reminds me of the situation two years ago when Andre Green and Uncle Albert vied for one of the wide positions (Jack had the other side) and neither were able to grasp the place in the team.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on April 08, 2021, 10:00:57 AM
This reminds me of the situation two years ago when Andre Green and Uncle Albert vied for one of the wide positions (Jack had the other side) and neither were able to grasp the place in the team.
Snodgrass was decent the other year down the right side
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Post by: Olof's Beard on April 08, 2021, 11:17:29 AM
This reminds me of the situation two years ago when Andre Green and Uncle Albert vied for one of the wide positions (Jack had the other side) and neither were able to grasp the place in the team.

Jack was playing down the middle then, he only moved back to the left early last season. We had Anwar on one side and Green/Adomah competing for the other spot in the promotion year.
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Post by: eamonn on April 08, 2021, 05:24:17 PM
Maybe wingers are just like that beautiful person who illuminates your life a little but let's you down a lot.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on April 08, 2021, 09:53:04 PM
This reminds me of the situation two years ago when Andre Green and Uncle Albert vied for one of the wide positions (Jack had the other side) and neither were able to grasp the place in the team.

Yeah good analogy there and we knew and decided quickly that for where we were going neither would be good enough. Same will happen here although I suspect one of them will remain as cover for next season depending on who wants them.
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Post by: LukeJames on May 01, 2021, 10:07:41 PM
As inconsitent as he is, 8 in 23 is a great return.

Also his best goal return since joining us.
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Post by: darren woolley on May 01, 2021, 10:08:56 PM
Great goal by Anwar.
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Post by: Ian. on May 01, 2021, 10:10:14 PM
Heís having a bloody good season at this level. I like him and I hope we keep him. We just need a more quality in the team and squad.
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Post by: darren woolley on May 01, 2021, 10:14:02 PM
Heís having a bloody good season at this level. I like him and I hope we keep him. We just need a more quality in the team and squad.

I agree with you Ian.
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Post by: KevinGage on May 01, 2021, 10:15:12 PM
He frustrates the hell out of me - and I say that as someone grateful for what he gave us in the Championship season and this.

Too many times when we have good possession out wide and he can isolate a man and get past him the ball either fails to stick or he finds a way to make a hames of it.

He's the ultimate confidence player. He bags that goal earlier tonight and then he probably beats his man more often throughout the game.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on May 01, 2021, 10:17:55 PM
Stats of a 15m player.

Interesting decision for the club. I think Trez injury means it's less likely he'll be sold. Two years left on his deal so just letting it run down will decrease things.

Not sure I'd be offering him a new deal but depends on how well our summer recruitment goes.

Offering him in a swop plus 20m could be one way of getting in a really good creative player from reasonably decent european team, someone like Nabil Fekir at Betis for example or Bailey at Leverkusen.
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Post by: paul_e on May 01, 2021, 10:17:56 PM
I find AEG really frustrating, when he scores goals like tonight you can see how much talent he has but all too often he goes missing in games. It just feels like he needs a couple of things to go his way early in the game to get his head right. He'd probably have been my first choice to move on from the wingers but with Trez out for a year he has to get another season.
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Post by: KevinGage on May 01, 2021, 10:26:28 PM
Observing from a distance - and based largely on TV interviews and body language in games - but he comes across as a good guy but a tad introverted.

With the amount of money that's in the game these days and the increasing emphasis of sports science and the like, you'd hope we have a sports psychologist to tap into and cover all bases.

Not because AEG is crackpot, more to give him (and a few others like him) every chance of success. With him, I don't think it's a lack of ability.
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Post by: Goldie.7 on May 01, 2021, 10:38:17 PM
He was on another level tonight. The problem is we won't see it again for another 8-15 matches.

If he performed consistently he'd easily be back in the Netherlands squad, but he never kicks on. Which is highly likely why he won't get double figures this season even though he's very close to doing so.
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Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on May 01, 2021, 10:55:14 PM
Cracking match winning goal tonight Anwar. Well done!
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 02, 2021, 07:40:44 AM
Wiki has his stats as:

Last season 34 games, 4 goals (similar in the championship)
This season 23 games 8 goals

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Post by: ChicagoLion on May 02, 2021, 09:15:25 AM
I thought he was pretty ordinary except for the goal.
But what a goal.
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Post by: London Villan on May 02, 2021, 09:20:09 AM
He is a proper MoTD player - lots of other clubs will see the goals he scores, but not be aware of his anonymous performances. As a squad player, starting League Cup games then he is fine. We can't have him starting league games next season.
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Post by: thick_mike on May 02, 2021, 09:24:24 AM
Definitely a confidence player. He had that run of scoring around Christmas and was left out of the team. It takes a real run of games for him to get going again
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Post by: N'ZMAV on May 02, 2021, 09:28:38 AM
Anwar El YouTube

tbf to him, he's won us games at WBA, Wolves, Leeds and Everton.

Just wish he could knock the shite games on the head.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on May 02, 2021, 09:31:49 AM
one week Anwar El Ronaldo, the other weeks it's Anwar El Garbage.

he could really be good, just not sure how we make it click.
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Post by: Risso on May 02, 2021, 09:31:50 AM
His scoring record is great, it's just that usually his all round play isn't, as demonstrated by the fact he has no assists this season.
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Post by: thick_mike on May 02, 2021, 09:44:04 AM
He often scores goals that count. He doesnít just pick up a goal when we are 3-0 up and cruising.
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Post by: Ad@m on May 02, 2021, 09:55:16 AM
He's 25 now and reaching his peak.

From this point he either kicks on, becomes a much better all round player and either helps us to the Champions League or gets a move to a club higher up the pecking order, or he's as good as he's going to get and we bring in someone better.

I'm hoping Dean and the staff, having seen him in training for the past few years, know which one it is.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 02, 2021, 10:00:22 AM
Handy to have a player who can weigh in with a good number of goals.
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Post by: LukeJames on May 02, 2021, 10:46:12 AM
I know its nowhere near a confirmed formula and all that but he's scored goals worth 7 points to us over the season.

Wolves
Chelsea
Leeds
Everton
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Post by: Ads on May 02, 2021, 11:41:39 AM
His goal scoring record this season is miles better than a load of "top" players.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on May 02, 2021, 01:28:50 PM
Yeah just been looking at Iwobi's stats, one league goal this season, one last season.

Everton signed him for 30m.

Textbook all fart and no s*** player.

His value will be in 10-15m range no problem given we signed Traore for about 16m and he had similar productivity for Lyon and his stats here are similar to AEG so just up to the club what we want to do with his future. Two years left on his deal and his value likely won't be as high next summer.
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Post by: LeeB on May 02, 2021, 03:24:00 PM
His goal scoring record this season is miles better than a load of "top" players.

This. As far as end product goes he's worth persevering with, we'll need squad players that can make impact when called upon as we improve, and both him an Trez fit that bill.
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Post by: TelfordVilla on May 02, 2021, 03:29:42 PM
Scored in the play off final at Wembley. Priceless
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Post by: Toronto Villa on May 02, 2021, 03:37:32 PM
To think you can have a squad full of first team players is naive. We are a long way from Man City. We need players who can play a role when called upon. And while AEG might not be the best player at the club and has games where struggles to impose himself he has come up with some massive goals this season, and quite frankly in the entire time heís been with us. As a squad player he is well worth keeping for the time being.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 02, 2021, 03:48:56 PM
I said during the match thread I'd like to see him come in more and play closer to Ollie as El Ghazi is no winger. He's generally a waste of space hugging the touchline but could he play a more mobile role, I don't know but we have a few games left to give it a go.
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Post by: AV82EC on May 02, 2021, 05:19:51 PM
I think the decision on whether we keep El Ghazi is entirely down to the plans for where Jack plays next season. If Jack is the left sided attacking player then Iím happy with El Ghazi as his deputy but if Jack is to be used as a 10 then maybe we need to have a rethink as heís not a first team starter in my view and whilst his goal production is very good, as someone pointed out his lack of assists and general lack of creative contribution is worrying.
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Post by: Olof's Beard on May 02, 2021, 07:10:01 PM
How nice for Anwar to gain some redemption at Goodison after the entirely over the top abuse he got after last season's draw there. Chuffed for him, he has contributed 9 this season. He and the coaching staff seem to understand the areas he needs to improve. Yes, penalties have boosted his goal tally but double figures would be a lovely return given he didn't start a game for the first third of the season.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on May 02, 2021, 07:16:07 PM
His scoring record is great, it's just that usually his all round play isn't, as demonstrated by the fact he has no assists this season.
This is a telling stat.
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Post by: Dave on May 02, 2021, 08:01:08 PM
His scoring record is great, it's just that usually his all round play isn't, as demonstrated by the fact he has no assists this season.
This is a telling stat.

Maybe. But it's always been a pretty nebulous metric on which to judge a player.

If Watkins sticks away one of those gilt-edged chances from an El Ghazi pass at home to Palace on Boxing Day rather than sticking one against the bar and one against the post, is El Ghazi a better player as a result? 
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Post by: Hockley Lion on May 02, 2021, 08:08:20 PM
I know its nowhere near a confirmed formula and all that but he's scored goals worth 7 points to us over the season.

Wolves
Chelsea
Leeds
Everton

Yes, 7 points gained with 3 goals from the Wolves, Chelsea and Leeds games where he was our only scorer and we got the 7 points. He also got a goal in our 2-2 draw with West Brom last week and the winner against Everton yesterday helping to contribute another 4 points with the other scorers Davis & Watkins.

Ok, no assists....

Calvert-Lewin 0
Salah 3
Iheanacho 2
Aubameyang 2

...but I'm glad we've got those points.

Utv.







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Post by: LeeB on May 02, 2021, 08:41:57 PM
His scoring record is great, it's just that usually his all round play isn't, as demonstrated by the fact he has no assists this season.
This is a telling stat.

Maybe. But it's always been a pretty nebulous metric on which to judge a player.

If Watkins sticks away one of those gilt-edged chances from an El Ghazi pass at home to Palace on Boxing Day rather than sticking one against the bar and one against the post, is El Ghazi a better player as a result? 

And he gets an assist for McGinn in the play off final after a failed shot randomly lands on his head.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on May 02, 2021, 09:11:21 PM
His scoring record is great, it's just that usually his all round play isn't, as demonstrated by the fact he has no assists this season.
This is a telling stat.

Maybe. But it's always been a pretty nebulous metric on which to judge a player.

If Watkins sticks away one of those gilt-edged chances from an El Ghazi pass at home to Palace on Boxing Day rather than sticking one against the bar and one against the post, is El Ghazi a better player as a result?
Good point, donít know what the stats are for chances created.
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Post by: eamonn on May 02, 2021, 09:18:13 PM
Scored in the play off final at Wembley. Priceless

The most valuable "back"/header of all time.
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Post by: Hockley Lion on May 02, 2021, 09:24:41 PM
It's his birthday tomorrow 👍
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Post by: robleflaneur on May 02, 2021, 09:46:23 PM
I said during the match thread I'd like to see him come in more and play closer to Ollie as El Ghazi is no winger. He's generally a waste of space hugging the touchline but could he play a more mobile role, I don't know but we have a few games left to give it a go.
He's not a great dribbler,but not that many wide players are,his weakest area is tracking back or tackling,however he is reasonably pacy and has a good shot.A freed up role for him behind Ollie would be ideal.
However,we have Chukwuemeka,Ramsey  and possibly Bert would be an even better fit.
It's easier to find players for  the central positon in the transfer market but finding high class wide players is difficult.
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Post by: Dave on May 02, 2021, 09:53:49 PM
His scoring record is great, it's just that usually his all round play isn't, as demonstrated by the fact he has no assists this season.
This is a telling stat.

Maybe. But it's always been a pretty nebulous metric on which to judge a player.

If Watkins sticks away one of those gilt-edged chances from an El Ghazi pass at home to Palace on Boxing Day rather than sticking one against the bar and one against the post, is El Ghazi a better player as a result?
Good point, donít know what the stats are for chances created.

Indeed. The eye-test would suggest that he isn't so much about playing the final pass, so the "no assists" thing isn't completely without merit (how many shots did he have in that Burnley match when he could have squared it?), but then if you get something from a player's decisions, you lose the thing that they chose not to do.

The player who decides to puts his foot on the ball and slips a pass through to the centre-forward probably isn't also the player who with ten minutes to go, decides to ping one in from 20 yards like he did yesterday.

Unless you're Jack Grealish who always makes the right decision, obviously.
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Post by: robbo1874 on May 02, 2021, 10:20:13 PM
Iím a big admirer of El Ghazi. Yes he is inconsistent, but heís a grafter and when the work pays off itís lovely to see.
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Post by: Risso on May 02, 2021, 11:14:20 PM
It's not a perfect stat, but I'd always rather a player had more assists than fewer. And you can see why El Ghazi doesn't have any, as his all round play excluding his goalscoring, isn't very good.
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Post by: Hockley Lion on May 03, 2021, 12:42:31 AM
In PL minutes played this season he's played the equivalent to 13.3 games and scored 8 goals. That's a goal every 1.66 games.
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Post by: eamonn on May 03, 2021, 12:55:18 AM
He doesn't impose himself enough on games and defensively he often gives the ball away or commits fouls in dangerous areas.

He's a curious player. I might be off the mark but I get the feeling he's quite introverted and this manifests on the pitch with him being peripheral too often. Like our two other frustrating wingers, how to harness their strengths more consistently is an ongoing battle.
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Post by: paul_e on May 03, 2021, 12:58:02 AM
Key passes (i.e passes led to a chance) is more important than assists. AEG averages 1.5 a game this year which isn't terrible, the top attacking players are around 3 and Jack is 3.4
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Post by: Hockley Lion on May 03, 2021, 02:15:58 AM
He doesn't impose himself enough on games and defensively he often gives the ball away or commits fouls in dangerous areas.

He's a curious player. I might be off the mark but I get the feeling he's quite introverted and this manifests on the pitch with him being peripheral too often. Like our two other frustrating wingers, how to harness their strengths more consistently is an ongoing battle.

He's probably just wondering where it all went wrong. Has anyone else in the squad scored against Barcelona in the Champions League?

Barcelona 3-1 Ajax - https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/29362717
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 03, 2021, 03:47:31 AM
In PL minutes played this season he's played the equivalent to 13.3 games and scored 8 goals. That's a goal every 1.66 games.

This is not to denigrate El Ghazi, but Keinan Davis has a better goals-to-minutes record than that! This is according to something I heard on a podcast that may well be wrong. The stat was that he's played 150 PL minutes all season.
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Post by: Drummond on May 03, 2021, 07:31:27 AM
I like him. He's not afraid to have a shot. Eg 35 shots on target so far this season (18th most in the division) from 49 shots (38th). Watkins has 40 (6th) from 88 (5th).he hit the woodwork 3 times (13th) v Watkins 7 (1st).

He's only created 1 good chance though and is well down near the bottom of the list.

I'd absolutely keep him as one of the first team squad.

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Post by: Hockley Lion on May 03, 2021, 11:33:40 AM
In PL minutes played this season he's played the equivalent to 13.3 games and scored 8 goals. That's a goal every 1.66 games.

This is not to denigrate El Ghazi, but Keinan Davis has a better goals-to-minutes record than that! This is according to something I heard on a podcast that may well be wrong. The stat was that he's played 150 PL minutes all season.

Keinan Davis, yes another whipping boy on here.
According to BBC's stats Davis minutes per goal is 169, El Ghazi 161, Watkins 205, and Jack 295.

The figure I mentioned I came to by adding up his minute's on pitch and dividing it by 90. Then calculating his goals per 90 min/game. He's played in 23 games but in half he's been sub'd on or off in rotation. That's Dean's decision. He may not have many assists but it doesn't mean he hasn't passed. It's just not been converted by someone else. What he does have is getting the equivalent of 2 goals every 3.3 games in match time.

It's his birthday today so I'm saying Happy Birthday Anwar 🍰!
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Post by: kippaxvilla2 on May 03, 2021, 11:47:20 AM
Heís one that frustrates the life out of me at times but one I would be sad If we let go.  1.  Because heís got talent and 2. Because Iím nostalgic and he represents great times in restoring this clubs fortunes.
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Post by: tomd2103 on May 03, 2021, 12:10:35 PM
He's scored some important goals for us, but his all-round game just isn't good enough if we are looking to establish ourselves in the top half of the league next season.  Him, Trezeguet and Traore give the ball away far too many times between them and so many promising moves break down when they get to them. 

The telling thing for me would be how many match day squads of the other teams currently in the top 10 El Ghazi would make. 
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Post by: paul_e on May 03, 2021, 12:34:21 PM
As it stands for me I want 4 wide players in the squad, Jack is a given that we want to keep him, I'd keep Traore because at his best he's superb, we need to work on his consistency. I then want 1 more who is capable of stepping up to top 4 level. That means 1 of AEG or Trez needs to go, not this summer because Trez will be out until near the end of next season anyway but next summer we'll have to make a call on them and I don't know which way I'd go.
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Post by: tomd2103 on May 03, 2021, 12:45:16 PM
As it stands for me I want 4 wide players in the squad, Jack is a given that we want to keep him, I'd keep Traore because at his best he's superb, we need to work on his consistency. I then want 1 more who is capable of stepping up to top 4 level. That means 1 of AEG or Trez needs to go, not this summer because Trez will be out until near the end of next season anyway but next summer we'll have to make a call on them and I don't know which way I'd go.

Agree with that summation Paul.  For me, Traore would be best employed coming off the bench in the latter stages of games and we need a much more consistent player on that right side.

If Jack Grealish does stay, the big question for me would be whether he comes into a more central position.  Teams began doubling up on him before his injury, but that would be far harder to do if he was in a more central role.  Him moving centrally would mean we might need two wide players in the summer.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Drummond on May 03, 2021, 12:54:46 PM
Teams doubled up because we didn't have anyone else offering much threat. If, as an example, Barkley and Traore were on form, they couldn't afford to.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 03, 2021, 01:04:18 PM
I'd cash in on El Ghazi this summer, his stock will never be so high. Obviously we need to bring in better quality and a winger should be top of our shopping list. Additional creativity is higher up my list than another centre forward.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 03, 2021, 01:57:01 PM
AEG is outperforming his value. At £8M or whatever it is we paid for him (I donít think it was a lot more) and at PL level he is doing as much as can expect of him. Heís still relatively young at 25, still developing at this level. Heís not going to be a player we spend £30-40M on and even then I donít know if we would realistically get a lot more. Itís been documented by others how well heís done with key goals against players in that price range and more.

While we all want our players to be playing at the top of their game; we might not be far off from what AEGís ceiling is. And as a squad player, who has never moaned or complained, who has come in at times and delivered some important moments this season and the two prior, I think heís a solid player to have at the club. But if he is sold we will have got more than our moneyís worth for him.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Pete3206 on May 03, 2021, 02:50:32 PM
Spot on TV
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Hockley Lion on May 03, 2021, 03:23:04 PM
Exactly this. Of course there are better players out there but he's the one we've got until we improve the squad again. I don't think he could have cost more than 10m either and the goal return and points gained by some of his goals can't be ignored. Assists? Only Jack really stands out here in the squad. If you count goals contributed to ( goals & assists ) AEG comes 4th behind Watkins (19) Jack (17) &  Traore' (11) with 9. He's been good value for money in my book for where we are right now.

Utv.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 03, 2021, 03:45:54 PM
The man's doubled his goal tally this season from last  where he scored 4 goals yet he's played less minutes and scored 8 already. The pens have meant improved goal numbers but he's looked super reliable taking them and is the no 1. pen taker when on pitch.

I wonder if he can reach 10+ goals in remaining games.
A real progress can be made with AEG as has all the attributes to be one of the very best attackers in the Premier league. It's a win win keeping him involved next season and these remaining games he can show he's a contender for first team if consistent.
He knows Dean Smith style and system so definitely worth keeping as part of our attack and on his day can score against anyone.

26 today and now peaking age hope Smith can help develop him now to the consistency needed. Happy Birthday El Ghazi
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Post by: Smirker on May 03, 2021, 04:01:08 PM
He's been a great signing for us tbh. A bargain in the modern game.

Anwar  8)
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Post by: kippaxvilla2 on May 09, 2021, 10:52:20 AM
This is an extract of an interview heís done with The athletic.  Just plain wrong.

ďLast year, when we were almost going down, a lot of players were getting abuse. It was getting so personal that it made me feel aggressive,Ē the Villa star said.

ďIt didnít feel right. An opinion is fine. I respect that ó but one example of a message I received read: ĎI hope you die and never play for my club againí.

ďWhen I looked on the profile and saw that it was from a season ticket holder of Aston Villa, I thought, ĎNo wayí. It made me really angry. Towards the end of the season, it happened again and then, after watching The Social Dilemma on Netflix, I just thought to myself, ĎMaybe I should just close down Twitter for a yearí.Ē
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Villan82 on May 09, 2021, 11:06:46 AM
Social media has done so much damage across so many areas of life.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: aj2k77 on May 09, 2021, 12:49:11 PM
This is an extract of an interview heís done with The athletic.  Just plain wrong.

ďLast year, when we were almost going down, a lot of players were getting abuse. It was getting so personal that it made me feel aggressive,Ē the Villa star said.

ďIt didnít feel right. An opinion is fine. I respect that ó but one example of a message I received read: ĎI hope you die and never play for my club againí.

ďWhen I looked on the profile and saw that it was from a season ticket holder of Aston Villa, I thought, ĎNo wayí. It made me really angry. Towards the end of the season, it happened again and then, after watching The Social Dilemma on Netflix, I just thought to myself, ĎMaybe I should just close down Twitter for a yearí.Ē

One of the things that really aggravated me was the coward comments he'd receive on here, that shurking a few challenges makes you cowardly. This guy broke his fast for us 2 years ago, which I imagine would be a huge deal for him. He might not be brilliant but he's done his best for us and been part of the rebuilding of the club from a total mess to one we can relate more to. He's done himself and us proud and if I were him or any footballer I'd fuck social media off in a heartbeat.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Clampy on May 09, 2021, 01:10:27 PM
Yes, the coward comments were ridiculous and rightly called out.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: TelfordVilla on May 09, 2021, 01:33:42 PM
That season ticket holder should be banned from the club. Anything posted on this site is someone's opinion and right or wrong they have the option to post on a discussion site like this one. I doubt the players read this. However no one has the right to post personal abuse on a players personal social media site. Why would anyone do that when a player is doing their best for the club. I have criticised several players effort in the past on here and elsewhere but never on their own social media. That is way out of order.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Hairbandinho on May 09, 2021, 01:34:31 PM
Full article:

At first, it felt like a throwaway line.

Anwar El Goalzi certainly had a nice ring to it but the nickname, popularised by team-mate John McGinn, could only stick around if the goals kept coming.

El Ghazi, as he is more formally known, has dipped in and out of goalscoring form since joining Aston Villa in the summer of 2018 but this season, heís turned it on when it really matters. Nine goals in all competitions and eight Premier League strikes from 12 starts represents his most productive campaign in claret and blue.

ďNow, even my friends and family call me El Goalzi,Ē the winger tells The Athletic.

ďItís so nice to be able to laugh about it and be in a good mood after what happened last season.Ē

By that, the 26-year-old means Aston Villaís struggle for Premier League survival. He wasnít pleased with the way he finished last season, either, which makes this purple patch all the sweeter.

When the Dutchman scored a stunning match-winning goal against Everton at Goodison Park last weekend, it was lost on many that it came in the same stadium ó and at the same end ó as one of his most frustrating moments in football.

A gilt-edged miss against Everton at the back end of last season sparked a torrent of abuse that convinced El Ghazi to delete his Twitter account.

The irony of his revenge goal was that it arrived when the footballing world was boycotting social media platforms as a pledge to cut out online hate, racism, and other forms of discrimination: a movement El Ghazi believes will help create change.

ďItís good that people and clubs are standing up because itís happening more and more on social media now,Ē he says.

ďEnough is enough because the messages we get sometimes are not normal. Football players canít just handle everything. You need to know that if itís getting personal, then we donít like it.

ďEveryone has an opinion. Thatís fine. If you think I cannot play football or another team-mate should play in League One, then fine, thatís an opinion, itís normal. But when it gets personal, itís not good.Ē

In a bid to draw a line under the topic once and for all, the forward has agreed to share the reasons behind closing down his social media accounts last year.

ďIíll tell this story now but after that, I want to leave it behind because these things happen in the past,Ē he says.

ďI donít want people to feel sorry for me because Iím a strong guy, Iím a big boy, and Iíll be fine, but youíve asked, so Iíll explain.

ďLast year, when we were almost going down, a lot of players were getting abuse. It was getting so personal that it made me feel aggressive.

ďIt didnít feel right. An opinion is fine. I respect that ó but one example of a message I received read: ĎI hope you die and never play for my club againí.

ďWhen I looked on the profile and saw that it was from a season ticket holder of Aston Villa, I thought, ĎNo wayí. It made me really angry. Towards the end of the season, it happened again and then, after watching The Social Dilemma on Netflix, I just thought to myself, ĎMaybe I should just close down Twitter for a yearí.

ďI got a lot of support from my team-mates. Tyrone Mings really stood up and supported me because heís our leader and he believes strongly in these things.Ē

Judging by last weekendís boycott, a lot of other players do, too. Footballers are pulling together more than ever to tackle important issues.

El Ghazi isnít the bullish, outspoken type. Heís typically quiet and reserved, but underneath lies a fierce competitor who truly lives and breathes for football.

ďItís my life and it affects me a lot. Iím an emotional guy. When things are going well, Iím always happy. When I play a bad game, my wife knows that she doesnít disturb me. My mood always depends on football.Ē

Anwar El Ghazi, Jack Grealish, Matty Cash
El Ghazi celebrates his match-winner against Wolves in December (Photo: Chloe Knott Ė Danehouse/Getty Images)
Perhaps thatís why his pledge to squeeze every drop out of his career is so commendable.

The support network he has personally created helps give him an advantage over others. He has a fitness trainer to ďkeep me sharpĒ, and a mind coach ďto help me through the bad periodsĒ.

Thereís a tried and trusted osteopath by his side and a nutritionist, too.

ďI know that much about food that I could be a dietitian myself,ď he laughs. ďIíve made huge progress in that area because back in the day, I didnít even know that you had to eat pasta before a game.Ē

It feels like itís all clicking into place for El Ghazi now. Heís maturing, on top of his game, back among the goals and reaping the rewards of hard work.

ďYou have to invest in yourself,Ē he says. ďThatís a huge part but really, itís all about your discipline. Itís about how badly you want it.Ē

El Ghazi is still in touch with three close friends from his childhood years in the Netherlands, each of them now working in a different field.

In their shared WhatsApp group is a shop manager, an insurance specialist and a mind coach who helps students, but thereís only ever one real theme up for discussion. ďFootball!Ē says El Ghazi.

ďI have a small group of guys. They are my best friends. All we talk about is football and boys things. We talk about lots of football ó the Champions League and other clubs. Theyíve started the El Goalzi thing, too, which is funny. But now we are all grown up and all married, we have to think about the wives, too. We have to provide for the family.Ē

El Ghaziís natural talent gave him the platform to kick on and make the most out of a unique opportunity that his friends could only dream of.

When he broke through at Ajax, he spent time with Cristiano Ronaldo at a training camp, picking the brains of the Portuguese superstar and receiving important advice for the years ahead.

When he hits top form, his style and technique are often compared to Ronaldoís. His goal-of-the-season contender in the 3-0 win over Crystal Palace also had shades of the great goalscorer himself, but El Ghazi says: ďItís obviously a nice compliment but I am just myself. I try to do the best and I know I need to keep scoring goals to help the team pick up more points.Ē

This season, heís scored match-winning goals against Wolves, Leeds United and Everton.

He loves cutting in from the left and shooting, as the graph below shows, and his conversion rate is decent, with five goals converted compared to an expected goals (non-penalty shots) figure of 4.3. Those figures show he is taking chances at a slightly better rate than the average player.



His goals in recent weeks have taken on extra significance, too, as theyíve arrived during a holy month.

El Ghazi is fasting for Ramadan and therefore plays without eating or drinking for as long as 15 hours before kick-off. Has it affected his performances?

ďTo be honest, it gives me extra strength. Iím used to it now because Iíve done it since I was 13 years old and, anyway, Iíve played two games in Ramadan and scored two goals, so itís not too bad!

ďI start by eating dates at 8:45pm, then I eat my other food, go to bed at midnight, wake up at 3:30am for another meal and lots to drink, go back to bed for a bit, then Iím ready for the day.Ē

Thereís a strong feeling that heís ready to take his game to a new level at Villa, too.

The graph below shows how El Ghazi has got one of the best non-penalty goal returns in the Premier League when comparing him to other wide left players.



However, it was only this week when boss Dean Smith said: ďHe will be the first to admit that his performances have been a little bit inconsistent but weíre trying to find that consistency with him.Ē

Scoring more goals this season than any other since his move to England is a start, and two more would mirror his best-ever season return ó when he scored 11 goals for Ajax in 2015-16.

ďI know I have to improve a lot,Ē El Ghazi candidly adds. ďI need to be more consistent. I know that.

ďI donít know why but my games against West Ham and Fulham (home matches in February and April respectively) were my worst of the season. I need to get rid of this. Itís not me. I have no clue why it happens. Itís nothing to do with the willingness or desire to do well. Itís just that sometimes, Iím not on it.

ďHopefully, it wonít happen too often again because the way Iím playing now is a lot more El Ghazi.Ē

Or perhaps he means El Goalzi.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: frank black on May 09, 2021, 01:34:40 PM
Yeah , thereís no way Iíd bother with social media if I was famous. Maybe Iíd go on anonymously
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: LeeB on May 10, 2021, 04:15:09 PM
Yeah , thereís no way Iíd bother with social media if I was famous. Maybe Iíd go on anonymously

I know the Pixies were 'alternative' Frank but I'd still class you as famous.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 10, 2021, 04:39:48 PM
Someone who says they are a Villa Season Ticket holder does not mean its true.

The abuse is vile from whoever it comes from.
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Post by: OCD on May 10, 2021, 05:17:35 PM
It's not necessarily a lie either. Social Media is the real problem, it's too easy to dish out abuse without consequence. Until that changes it will carry on.
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Post by: SheffieldVillain on May 14, 2021, 12:31:15 PM
Called up to the provisional Dutch squad for the Euros. Well done Anwar.
https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2021/may/El-Ghazi-named-in-provisional-Netherlands-squad-for-Euro-2020/

Regardless of the debate on whether he should be upgraded in the summer, he has definitely played his part in getting us back up towards the top half of the top flight. If he stays, this must be a boost to his confidence and he's always seemed like the type of player who thrives on confidence boosts. Or if we do decide to sell, this puts him that little bit more in the spotlight and hopefully adds another couple of million to the fee. Good news all round.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on May 14, 2021, 01:13:01 PM
Brilliant news and will be great motivation to Anwar for the last few games. He will start on Sunday and knows he will play second fiddle to Jack who will come on at some point. He just has to play to a level that heís not the one coming off. But great news and even if he doesnít make the final squad he has motivation to make the WC squad now going into next season.
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Post by: Pete3206 on May 14, 2021, 01:23:05 PM
Well done El Ghazi
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Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on May 14, 2021, 05:10:25 PM
Great news for Anwar. Good luck for the final squad.
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Post by: Smirker on May 23, 2021, 09:43:32 PM
Double figures in the league.

Yes sometimes he struggles but he contributes a lot to the team.

Has to go down as one of our greatest ever bargains surely. What was it, £4m?

Great season Anwar, keep it up.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: OCD on May 23, 2021, 09:45:44 PM
He's a useful squad player who's made a good contribution this season but calling £4m a bargain is going a little far.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Richard on May 23, 2021, 09:46:41 PM
Never looks like hes going to miss a penalty. I'd keep him as a squad player for sure.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: LukeJames on May 23, 2021, 09:48:20 PM
£9m weren't it? He's had a very productive season, 10 goals is a great return.
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Post by: Smirker on May 23, 2021, 09:49:02 PM
He's a useful squad player who's made a good contribution this season but calling £4m a bargain is going a little far.

Alright.

How many other wingers in the PL have scored 10 goals in a season and cost less than £4m?

In today's market it is definitely a bargain.
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Post by: olaftab on May 23, 2021, 09:52:49 PM
Apparently Chelsea's leading PL goal scorer this season is Jorginho with 7 goals.
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Post by: eamonn on May 23, 2021, 10:30:34 PM
A make-weight in the deal to bring Kane here. Will knock £25m off Harry's fee.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Dave on May 23, 2021, 10:38:56 PM
Apparently Chelsea's leading PL goal scorer this season is Jorginho with 7 goals.

All of which were penalties.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Eckybloke on May 24, 2021, 08:55:57 AM
Heís done pretty well this year. What a difference it makes to have a penalty taker that is just so assured, every single time.

I like him a lot. Is he going to be like one of those players that hangs around as a team gets more and more successful and still has lots to offer?
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 26, 2021, 03:49:32 PM
Didnít make the final Dutch squad but nevertheless he had a really good season overall. Played a massive role with a number of huge goals. A solid squad player to have around and absolute nails from the penalty spot.
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: eamonn on May 26, 2021, 05:46:44 PM
Boooo! Why not? Who have they got better than El Goalzi? £5m knocked-off the price we'll sell him for now...
Title: Re: Anwar El Ghazi - signed permanently
Post by: Aldridge Villa on May 26, 2021, 06:07:55 PM
Best off out of it, the Dutch are arrogant tossers.
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