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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: IFWaters on August 09, 2018, 07:54:59 PM
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Just trying to work out how the squad looks now and any gaps, thought it would be handy to summarise. Im using the club site and Transfermarkt . Listing senior players (got a seperate list for 'juniors' and bombsquaders (senior players without a squad number on the official site) :
Goal - Nyland / Steer / Moreira / Bunn - surely Bunn will go now ? Anyway, more than enough cover...quality waits to be seen
Centre Backs - Chester / Tuanzebe / Elphick - need an extra one on loan or JT back as a free agent ?
Fullbacks - Elmo / Hutton / De Laet / Taylor / Bree - clearly need a LB, arguably Bree out on loan ?
Defensive Midfield - Jedinak / Whelan
Central Midfield - Hourihane / Bjarni / Lansbury / McGinn
Attacking Midfield - Grealish / Adomah / Green - think we are light one here, possible Jack back up
Strikers - Kodjia / Hogan / Davis / RHM - definitely need an extra striker
Juniors - Sarkic / Doyle-Hayes / Lyden / O'Hare - think O'Hare will get the Jack backup slot if we dont get a loan in
Bombsquad - Richards / Tishbola / McCormack - no way back for these 3, only possibility is a loan out to further run contracts down.
As an aside, of the 32 players above, 12 are either loans or out of contract in a year, a further 11 by June 2020 - includes all 3 bomb squaders. That puts us in a good position to really sort out the finances in the next year or 2.
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We don’t need extra strikers, we need replacements for Kod and Hogan.
4 strikers is plenty it’s just that 2 of them are not effective.
The squad is plenty deep enough, it’s not perfect but most managers in this division would love to have these resources.
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We don’t need extra strikers, we need replacements for Kod and Hogan.
4 strikers is plenty it’s just that 2 of them are not effective.
The squad is plenty deep enough, it’s not perfect but most managers in this division would love to have these resources.
but we arent going to 'get rid' of Kod or Hogan unless one goes out on loan (which would be amazing to me). I can see another premier league striker coming in loan, preferably not waiting to January like last time - I have got that right havent I ? We can still get loanees in until 30th August havent we ?
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The group of strikers we have is poor, and if we don’t get a decent loan in we’ll be nowhere near the play offs, let alone the automatic places.
Kodjia who at best looks a million miles from getting back to what he’s capable of, and at worst is finished; a hard working but low scoring kid in Davis, an untried and nearly always injured kid in RHM, and the complete waste of money that is Hogan, who also spends a lot of time injured.
Not nearly enough, that.
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The other thing is injuries and lets face it a couple of injuries in the same area of the field and we're in the crap, although most championship sides will have the same problem. But that said in some area's we're beyond threadbare.
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A striker and a left back on loan and well be able to make a good go of it. It's really important he uses young player's like Suliman, Clark, O Hare ,DH, Green and RHM as much as possible otherwise it's another wasted opportunity. If we could loan out two or three, that would be a huge bonus.
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They must think that Kod will recover, if he doesn’t we have a problem.
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The player who is critical is a new striker for all the reasons above
After that a wide player and then a left back, imho
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What's the reason for Tish not getting a look in pre-season ?
I understand Richards being injured and Bruce wanting McCormack out of the way.
Maybe a loan deal has already been lined up for Tish
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None of this is relevant if Bruce goes for 3 at the back. If anyone comes in I guess he will be looking for players that can play his preferred system surely?
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What's the reason for Tish not getting a look in pre-season ?
I understand Richards being injured and Bruce wanting McCormack out of the way.
Maybe a loan deal has already been lined up for Tish
If you look at the official website squad section, Richards, McCormack and Tish are the only 3 'senior' players that havent been given squad numbers, so I'm summising they arent going to get a look in and younger players like O'Hare and Lyden will get a chance instead of them.
From that I assume they are available on loan, unless a european club comes in and buys them .... which is unlikely.
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What's the reason for Tish not getting a look in pre-season ?
I understand Richards being injured and Bruce wanting McCormack out of the way.
Maybe a loan deal has already been lined up for Tish
If you look at the official website squad section, Richards, McCormack and Tish are the only 3 'senior' players that havent been given squad numbers, so I'm summising they arent going to get a look in and younger players like O'Hare and Lyden will get a chance instead of them.
From that I assume they are available on loan, unless a european club comes in and buys them .... which is unlikely.
I live in the Reading area and my Reading supporting mates were laughing their socks off when we gave them £5m for him. That's all you need to know! It was Steve Clarke who was the poor judge of character
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What's the reason for Tish not getting a look in pre-season ?
I understand Richards being injured and Bruce wanting McCormack out of the way.
Maybe a loan deal has already been lined up for Tish
If you look at the official website squad section, Richards, McCormack and Tish are the only 3 'senior' players that havent been given squad numbers, so I'm summising they arent going to get a look in and younger players like O'Hare and Lyden will get a chance instead of them.
From that I assume they are available on loan, unless a european club comes in and buys them .... which is unlikely.
I live in the Reading area and my Reading supporting mates were laughing their socks off when we gave them £5m for him. That's all you need to know! It was Steve Clarke who was the poor judge of character
He went out on loan to Clarke at Kilmarnock.... and came back early!
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1. Ørjan Nyland
2. Ritchie De Laet
3. Neil Taylor
4. Axel Tuanzebe
5. James Chester
6. Glenn Whelan
7. John McGinn
8. Henri Lansbury
9. Scott Hogan
10. Jack Grealish
14. Conor Hourihane
15. Mile Jedinak
16. James Bree
17. Keinan Davis
19. Andre Green
20. Birkir Bjarnason
21. Alan Hutton
23. Andre Moreira
24. Tommy Elphick
26. Jonathan Kodjia
27. Ahmed Elmohamady
29. Rushian Hepburn-Murphy
31. Mark Bunn
33. Matija Sarkic
37. Albert Adomah
Goal - Nyland /Moreira / Bunn -
Centre Backs - Chester / Tuanzebe / Elphick /Jedinak
Fullbacks - Elmo / Hutton / De Laet / Taylor / Bree
Central Midfield - Hourihane / Bjarnasson/ Lansbury / Whelan/McGinn
Attacking Midfield - Grealish / Adomah / Green - (Bolasie & ElGhazi)
Strikers - Kodjia / Hogan / Davis / RHM - (Abrahams)
Loan out : Sarkic / Doyle-Hayes / Lyden / O'Hare - Richards / Tishbola / McCormack
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Tish was only £5m if all his milestone clauses were met, as fat as I recall. Fair to estimate that he has met none of them so price was likely closer to £3m. Still too much mind...unless Bruce's replacement gets a tune out of him.
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1. Ørjan Nyland
2. Ritchie De Laet
3. Neil Taylor
4. Axel Tuanzebe
5. James Chester
6. Glenn Whelan
7. John McGinn
8. Henri Lansbury
9. Scott Hogan
10. Jack Grealish
14. Conor Hourihane
15. Mile Jedinak
16. James Bree
17. Keinan Davis
19. Andre Green
20. Birkir Bjarnason
21. Alan Hutton
23. Andre Moreira
24. Tommy Elphick
26. Jonathan Kodjia
27. Ahmed Elmohamady
29. Rushian Hepburn-Murphy
31. Mark Bunn
33. Matija Sarkic
37. Albert Adomah
Goal - Nyland /Moreira / Bunn -
Centre Backs - Chester / Tuanzebe / Elphick /Jedinak
Fullbacks - Elmo / Hutton / De Laet / Taylor / Bree
Central Midfield - Hourihane / Bjarnasson/ Lansbury / Whelan/McGinn
Attacking Midfield - Grealish / Adomah / Green - (Bolasie & ElGhazi)
Strikers - Kodjia / Hogan / Davis / RHM - (Abrahams)
Loan out : Sarkic / Doyle-Hayes / Lyden / O'Hare - Richards / Tishbola / McCormack
Still LB an issue - Could Albert drop there if Bolasie comes in?
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1. Ørjan Nyland
2. Ritchie De Laet
3. Neil Taylor
4. Axel Tuanzebe
5. James Chester
6. Glenn Whelan
7. John McGinn
8. Henri Lansbury
9. Scott Hogan
10. Jack Grealish
14. Conor Hourihane
15. Mile Jedinak
16. James Bree
17. Keinan Davis
19. Andre Green
20. Birkir Bjarnason
21. Alan Hutton
23. Andre Moreira
24. Tommy Elphick
26. Jonathan Kodjia
27. Ahmed Elmohamady
29. Rushian Hepburn-Murphy
31. Mark Bunn
33. Matija Sarkic
37. Albert Adomah
Goal - Nyland /Moreira / Bunn -
Centre Backs - Chester / Tuanzebe / Elphick /Jedinak
Fullbacks - Elmo / Hutton / De Laet / Taylor / Bree
Central Midfield - Hourihane / Bjarnasson/ Lansbury / Whelan/McGinn
Attacking Midfield - Grealish / Adomah / Green - (Bolasie & ElGhazi)
Strikers - Kodjia / Hogan / Davis / RHM - (Abrahams)
Loan out : Sarkic / Doyle-Hayes / Lyden / O'Hare - Richards / Tishbola / McCormack
Still LB an issue - Could Albert drop there if Bolasie comes in?
I can see SB just going with what we have and using cover and the versatility of right backs.
Shame as balance is needed but I Rather I take Abraham and no left back. (just) due to 5 loan rule
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Ok so after all the comings and going I believe this is the current squad ?
Goal Keepers-
Kalinic /Steer/ Bunn /Nyland
Centre Backs -
Chester / Tuanzebe / Elphick /Mings
Fullbacks -
Elmo / Hutton / Taylor / Hause?
Central Midfield -
Hourihane / Bjarnasson/ Lansbury / Whelan/McGinn/Carroll/Jedinak
Attacking Midfield /Wide Forwards-
Grealish / Adomah / Green /ElGhazi
Strikers - Kodjia/ Davis / Abrahams
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And looking on squad i don't know if Jedinak will get much game time or even bench time when all fit.
Think he just kept on in offering professionalism to squad and he'll be let go in summer.
He went from centre half to half out the door .
Really could see him struggle to make 18 man squad when all fit.
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Tut tut footy wheres Nyland and Bolasie has gone.
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Tut tut footy wheres Nyland and Bolasie has gone.
Thanks you ! My hands were cold ! Edited!
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Ok so after all the comings and going I believe this is the current squad ?
Goal Keepers-
Kalinic /Steer/ Bunn /Nyland
Centre Backs -
Chester / Tuanzebe / Elphick /Mings
Fullbacks -
Elmo / Hutton / Taylor / Hause?
Central Midfield -
Hourihane / Bjarnasson/ Lansbury / Whelan/McGinn/Carroll/Jedinak
Attacking Midfield /Wide Forwards-
Grealish / Adomah / Green /ElGhazi
Strikers - Kodjia/ Davis / Abrahams
In numbers why do I get the feeling we are less off than before?
No Natural replacement for a seriously weak spot (LB)
We have reduced our attacking options by letting RHM / Hogan go out
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Mings is a LB no? And we only play one out and out striker as a rule, and 3 should cover that one comfortably. We've brought in plenty of faces at the back, and several of those sre (we think?!?!) capable of covering more than one position. Our squad has been bloated for some time, and thinning it will hopefully promote a more happy dressing room as less players will be kicking their heels bored. A number of our younger players have gone to get game time at lower levels where they stand the chance of actually seeing some first team action rather than wasting away in the U23's or whistling dixie on the bench. Of course I would have loved us to sign a couple of stars, and made Abraham a permenant member of the squad, but we haven't got the ability to do that at this time.
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With everyone fit I think we'll see:
Kalinic
Hutton Chester Mings Hause
Carroll Tuanzebe
Green Mcginn Grealish
Abraham
I might have the left side of the defence the wrong way round but I think they'll both play. That's 5 loans so no room for El Ghazi on the bench.
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I like that side paul_e let's hope they all get fit soon.
My subs would be :
Steer
Elphick
Hourihane
Lansbury
Adomah
Kodjia
Davis
Strong bench, bye bye Whelan Taylor Jedi etc
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I like that side paul_e let's hope they all get fit soon.
My subs would be :
Steer
Elphick
Hourihane
Lansbury
Adomah
Kodjia
Davis
Strong bench, bye bye Whelan Taylor Jedi etc
Sounds about right, with Axel in front we'd be fine with just the 1 defender as we've got plenty of options to move people around.
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With everyone fit I think we'll see:
Kalinic
Hutton Chester Mings Hause
Carroll Tuanzebe
Green Mcginn Grealish
Abraham
I might have the left side of the defence the wrong way round but I think they'll both play. That's 5 loans so no room for El Ghazi on the bench.
I like that however I going to go Taylor and El ghazi in there for hause and green
I also not sure Smith would play Tuanzebe in midfield either he's playing full back or centre defence .
Elphick I guess has to earn his contract
And certainly think Jedinak and Whelan will be leaving maybe Hutton and Elmo too.
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Edited to end of season, if we let all of the players out of contract go, and all the loanees, and don't include current academy players
Goal - Kalinic / Nyland / Sarkic / Sinisolo /
Centre Backs - Chester / Revan
Fullbacks - Elmo / Guilbert / Taylor / Bree
Defensive Midfield -
Central Midfield - Hourihane / Bjarni / Lansbury / McGinn /Gardner / Tshibola / Doyle-Hayes
Attacking Midfield - Grealish / Adomah / Green
Strikers - Kodjia / Hogan / Davis / RHM / McCormack / Hooper
Major rebuilding in the next few transfer windows IMHO.
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Gardner is out of contract in June isn't he?
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Gardner is out on loan until June this year, and out of contract June 2020, unless he gets a new contract in the mean time.
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Edited to end of season, if we let all of the players out of contract go, and all the loanees, and don't include current academy players
Goal - Kalinic / Nyland / Sarkic / Sinisolo /
Centre Backs - Chester / Revan
Fullbacks - Elmo / Guilbert / Taylor / Bree
Defensive Midfield -
Central Midfield - Hourihane / Bjarni / Lansbury / McGinn /Gardner / Tshibola / Doyle-Hayes
Attacking Midfield - Grealish / Adomah / Green
Strikers - Kodjia / Hogan / Davis / RHM / McCormack / Hooper
Major rebuilding in the next few transfer windows IMHO.
Correct, which is what we keep bloody doing, will it ever end !!
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With everyone fit I think we'll see:
Kalinic
Hutton Chester Mings Hause
Carroll Tuanzebe
Green Mcginn Grealish
Abraham
I might have the left side of the defence the wrong way round but I think they'll both play. That's 5 loans so no room for El Ghazi on the bench.
I like that however I going to go Taylor and El ghazi in there for hause and green
I also not sure Smith would play Tuanzebe in midfield either he's playing full back or centre defence .
Elphick I guess has to earn his contract
And certainly think Jedinak and Whelan will be leaving maybe Hutton and Elmo too.
I am not sure why anyone keeps hanging their hopes on Green being the player some think he will be.
His ability to stay injury free has to be seriously doubted and in my mind so does his ability to secure a regular position (he needs to understand what that position is first himself) to warrant anyone picking him to start any time soon
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Every time you think RHM or Green should get a game they appear to be injured.
You can not build a carrear in the game by being unavailable.
I have no belief that either will make it.
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Edited to end of season, if we let all of the players out of contract go, and all the loanees, and don't include current academy players
Goal - Kalinic / Nyland / Sarkic / Sinisolo /
Centre Backs - Chester / Revan
Fullbacks - Elmo / Guilbert / Taylor / Bree
Defensive Midfield -
Central Midfield - Hourihane / Bjarni / Lansbury / McGinn /Gardner / Tshibola / Doyle-Hayes
Attacking Midfield - Grealish / Adomah / Green
Strikers - Kodjia / Hogan / Davis / RHM / McCormack / Hooper
Major rebuilding in the next few transfer windows IMHO.
Correct, which is what we keep bloody doing, will it ever end !!
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Unfortunately, we keep buying players who are coming to Villa for one final payday, or are panic buys. As far as I know, (or can remember)It seems that the transfer window just closed was a first, where we didn't buy someone near 30 and didn't pay over the odds either.
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First of many, hopefully.
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Edited to end of season, if we let all of the players out of contract go, and all the loanees, and don't include current academy players
Goal - Kalinic / Nyland / Sarkic /
Defence - Chester / Taylor / Bree / Elmohamady /
Midfield - Hourihane / Bjarni / Lansbury / McGinn /Gardner / Tshibola / Doyle-Hayes / PGrealish / Green / Adomah /
Strikers - Kodjia / Hogan / Davis / RHM / McCormack /
Above info checked against www.avfc.co.uk/squads.
Could also see Hogan and McCormack gone before next season, unless the current manager feels that they might contribute.
Will be interesting to see if any of the out of contract players will be given a new contract.
Out of contract at end of season;
Bunn, J Clarke, Elphick, Hutton, Jedinak, Knibbs, Lyden, McKirdy, Mooney, O'Hare, Richards, Rowe, Steer, Suliman, Taylor, Whelan, M Clark, De Laet.
Current academy players;
Hooper, Revan, Brunt, Sinisolo, Tait, Archer, Birch, Bridge, Burton, Bazeley-Graham, Campton-Sturridge, Farr, Guy, Ige, McConnachie, Odutayo, Onodi, Patterson, Pressley, Prosser, Sea, H Sohna, M Sohna, Vassilev, Walker, Wright, Philogene-Bidace, Lomax, Cox, Ramsey.
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Goal - Kalinic / Nyland / Sarkic /
Defence - Chester / Taylor / Bree / Elmohamady /, Guilbert
Midfield - Hourihane / Bjarni / Lansbury / McGinn /Gardner / Tshibola / Doyle-Hayes / Grealish / Green / Adomah / O'Hare (assuming he stays)
Strikers - Kodjia / Hogan / Davis / RHM / McCormack /
out of those who are left, the vast majority wont be in Smith's plans next season.
The likes of Lansbury we wont be able to shift but those on the last year of their contracts like Kodjia and Adamoah will likely leave on cut price deals.
Would hardly be a surprise if others like Hourihane and Chester left either.
We will need to spend the Grealish money wisely.
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Massive lack of quality left behind other than SJM and Chester.
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the more you think about it the more you realize how enormous the summer rebuild is. I can see Tshibola playing next season, in C&B.
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There’s a lot to do. It’s going to take some pretty canny dealings to get the right players in.
All areas are key, but I think for Smith’s style getting the right type of midfield players is critical.
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the more you think about it the more you realize how enormous the summer rebuild is. I can see Tshibola playing next season, in C&B.
I do wonder if Smith might give him a look in the summer as an option for that defensive role.
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If Tshibola comes back and plays for us again, it'll be the most amazing comeback since Bobby Ewing.
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The concern with replacing so many players (and we have to) at this level is that the success rate of the signings can be a bit hit and miss, particularly with players for the future.
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I would not be surprised to see Hutton and Whelan both given another years contract (if they are though offer them a £10k a week, 1 year deal, we need to start to pay like a Championship club), and a few of the youngsters like O'Hare will get new deal
For me though we need to be ruthless, this summer is the time to get rid of all the out of contract players, I don't want to hear Smith saying we have kept a few because they are good in the dressing room, (except for the younger lads, who deserve a chance to see what they can do in the First team, no point in paying them if they are not to be given a chance).
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the more you think about it the more you realize how enormous the summer rebuild is. I can see Tshibola playing next season, in C&B.
I do wonder if Smith might give him a look in the summer as an option for that defensive role.
I'd say next to no chance personally.
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I would not be surprised to see Hutton and Whelan both given another years contract (if they are though offer them a £10k a week, 1 year deal, we need to start to pay like a Championship club), and a few of the youngsters like O'Hare will get new deal
For me though we need to be ruthless, this summer is the time to get rid of all the out of contract players, I don't want to hear Smith saying we have kept a few because they are good in the dressing room, (except for the younger lads, who deserve a chance to see what they can do in the First team, no point in paying them if they are not to be given a chance).
not a chance, both of them are far too slow.
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paul_e i hope that you are right, but this is Aston Villa and all logical thinking goes out of the window!
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the more you think about it the more you realize how enormous the summer rebuild is. I can see Tshibola playing next season, in C&B.
I do wonder if Smith might give him a look in the summer as an option for that defensive role.
I'd say next to no chance personally.
To clarfiy, what I mean is let him start pre-season training with us and make a decision on him after a few weeks. We're going to have lost so many players from around the club that I just don't know how quickly he'll push out players that he's never seen in training, for me Tish is towards the back of the queue at the door.