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Title: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Clampy on August 07, 2018, 06:04:24 PM
He's here, stretching the shirt and all that. Welcome.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 07, 2018, 06:05:34 PM
Welcome Orjan, be good.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 07, 2018, 06:06:22 PM


Welcome. Let this be another Nordic success
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 07, 2018, 06:09:58 PM
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Aston Villa is pleased to confirm the signing of goalkeeper Orjan Nyland for an undisclosed fee from German side FC Ingolstadt.

The Norwegian internationalist has agreed a three-year deal. After starting his career in his homeland with IL Hodd and Molde FK, the 27-year-old moved to Ingolstadt in 2015.

Nyland has also been capped by Norway at senior international level.

He said: "I'm looking forward to playing for this big club and can't wait to get started.

"Everything has moved very quickly and I'm really happy to be here and call myself a Villa player.

"I also can't wait to play in front of the fans Ė I've heard they're quite fantastic. I'm looking forward to experiencing their support for myself.

"This club belongs in the Premier League and I'm keen to play a part in getting us back there."

(https://d3ix52z2istd7h.cloudfront.net/~/media/Orjan%20Nyland.ashx?h=720&la=en&mw=1280&w=1280&vs=1&d=20180807T165457Z&hash=E6645D673ACA2E0902BC4674EE00329FD3DFD057)
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland
Post by: Bren'd on August 07, 2018, 06:11:30 PM
Er ...yeah, great news. Is he any good?
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland
Post by: Nev on August 07, 2018, 06:13:30 PM
Internationalist?

Weller fan?
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 07, 2018, 06:14:37 PM
I was hoping Bruce was going to play 4 at the back not 3. I didnít expect it to be 4 keepers.

Bruce out. Welcome Orjan.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland
Post by: cheltenhamlion on August 07, 2018, 06:16:33 PM
Internationalist?

Weller fan?

It is an oddly worded presser.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland
Post by: Dazvillain on August 07, 2018, 06:45:11 PM
Welcome Orjan , goodbye Jed and mark
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 07, 2018, 06:50:10 PM
Excellent stretch of the shirt there. Impressive.

Welcome and good luck, young Orjan.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland
Post by: cdbullyweefan on August 07, 2018, 06:54:57 PM
Welcome Orjan.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland
Post by: four fornicholl on August 07, 2018, 06:59:55 PM
He seems to have very small hands.If he were a woman that's what I had to look for, according to my dad!?  ;)
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland
Post by: Legion on August 07, 2018, 07:42:33 PM
Hopefully we'll all come to Love Nyland.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland
Post by: ozzjim on August 07, 2018, 07:49:33 PM
Groans.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland
Post by: auntiesledd on August 07, 2018, 07:51:22 PM
Hopefully we'll all come to Love Nyland.

Kerboom-tish! ;)

Welcome Norjan - & may you be a great success.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland
Post by: sickbeggar on August 07, 2018, 11:48:41 PM
Good signing.  At least he has some pedigree.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland
Post by: Louzie0 on August 07, 2018, 11:51:28 PM
Has anybody done the one about hoping Orjan pulls out all the stops
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: ozzjim on August 08, 2018, 06:42:15 AM
In all the Grealish madness, quietly this guy could be our most important signing of the summer. God size, decent pedigree, could end up being a steal.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: eamonn on August 08, 2018, 07:45:19 AM
He seems to have very small hands.If he were a woman that's what I had to look for, according to my dad!?  ;)

Makes up for it with his hair and handsomeness.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 08, 2018, 01:49:00 PM
As John Gregory once quipped about Thomas Sorenson - to pretty to be a keeper. You want one with a face like a welder bench - Rimmer. Southall, Oggy from Cov et al
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: footyskillz on August 11, 2018, 07:48:36 AM
My guess is he will start today v wigan.

Good luck safe hands!
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Ads on August 11, 2018, 07:55:08 AM
Hes got AVFC #1 on his Twitter so I'm guessing it's safe to say he's not come to sit in the bench.

Bruce said they'd been looking at him for a fee years but couldn't afford him.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: robbo1874 on August 11, 2018, 08:11:10 AM
Good luck Mr Nyland- my footballing ignorance means I donít have a clue who you are, but welcome and all the best of luck!
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: brian green on August 11, 2018, 08:13:39 AM
A very important signing.  We have needed a good goalkeeper for a long time.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Ger Regan on August 11, 2018, 08:14:03 AM
Interestingly he seems to have been captain in the past. Always good to have a few leaders.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: footyskillz on August 11, 2018, 08:25:19 AM
Yes he's no 1 jersey wearing on squad numbers
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Matt Collins on August 11, 2018, 09:05:29 AM
Hes got AVFC #1 on his Twitter so I'm guessing it's safe to say he's not come to sit in the bench.

Bruce said they'd been looking at him for a fee years but couldn't afford him.

This doesn't really ring true. We spent ten million on Hogan alone
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: brian green on August 11, 2018, 09:06:57 AM
A goalkeeper named Orjan
Had small hands but a very large organ
Young Mr Nyland
Played it all over Ireland
But mostly in Stillorgan.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: cheltenhamlion on August 11, 2018, 11:52:38 AM
I like a Viking in the team. And a sweaty. Good window thus far.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: bobcat on August 11, 2018, 12:10:01 PM
Being big isnt important for keepers nowadays. Being a good shot stopper is far more important. Got a good feeling about this signing.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: brontebilly on August 11, 2018, 12:23:52 PM
Hes got AVFC #1 on his Twitter so I'm guessing it's safe to say he's not come to sit in the bench.

Bruce said they'd been looking at him for a fee years but couldn't afford him.

Bruce said the same about Scott Hogan

Strange signing this, Nyland hasn't much more experience than Gollini or Steer.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Damo70 on August 11, 2018, 12:27:12 PM
Being big isnt important for keepers nowadays. Being a good shot stopper is far more important. Got a good feeling about this signing.

I'm a bit old school. I feel happier with a big keeper. To be fair Nyland is 6'3 and a half apparently, which isn't exactly small for a keeper.  I see that he won 18 of his 27 caps between 2014 and 2015, which suggests he was their number one choice at that time. He has also been capped eight times in the last two years which suggests he is currently their number two choice.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: john e on August 11, 2018, 01:57:23 PM
Being big isnt important for keepers nowadays. Being a good shot stopper is far more important. Got a good feeling about this signing.

I'm a bit old school. I feel happier with a big keeper. To be fair Nyland is 6'3 and a half apparently, which isn't exactly small for a keeper.  I see that he won 18 of his 27 caps between 2014 and 2015, which suggests he was their number one choice at that time. He has also been capped eight times in the last two years which suggests he is currently their number two choice.

Old school goalies werenít always that tall itís the modern keeper today that says 6í3íí is a bit on the small side

I think all keepers are good shot stoppers nowadays what makes the difference imo is positioning and more and more distribution

I also think we can forget just how much the modern ball moves in the air compared to the ball used in times past it can make good goalkeepers look like fools

Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Risso on August 11, 2018, 02:01:11 PM
Jordan Pickford is quite short for a goalie at 6í1Ē.  There seem to be fewer Petr Cech and Edwin van der Sar 6í5Ē types about these days.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: dave shelley on August 11, 2018, 02:12:50 PM
Being big isnt important for keepers nowadays. Being a good shot stopper is far more important. Got a good feeling about this signing.

I'm a bit old school. I feel happier with a big keeper. To be fair Nyland is 6'3 and a half apparently, which isn't exactly small for a keeper.  I see that he won 18 of his 27 caps between 2014 and 2015, which suggests he was their number one choice at that time. He has also been capped eight times in the last two years which suggests he is currently their number two choice.

Old school goalies werenít always that tall itís the modern keeper today that says 6í3íí is a bit on the small side

I think all keepers are good shot stoppers nowadays what makes the difference imo is positioning and more and more distribution

I also think we can forget just how much the modern ball moves in the air compared to the ball used in times past it can make good goalkeepers look like fools



What we don't see a lot of nowadays is goalkeepers travelling eight yards or more to leap and catch the ball, that was a skill in itself.  It was always exciting to see a goalie take the ball off the strikers head just as he was about to connect.  It may be because, as you say John, down to the statistics of the ball.  As a youngster I very rarely ever saw a goalkeeper punch the ball, they always caught it or attempted to.  Punching was for foreigners.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Risso on August 11, 2018, 02:30:58 PM
Being big isnt important for keepers nowadays. Being a good shot stopper is far more important. Got a good feeling about this signing.

I'm a bit old school. I feel happier with a big keeper. To be fair Nyland is 6'3 and a half apparently, which isn't exactly small for a keeper.  I see that he won 18 of his 27 caps between 2014 and 2015, which suggests he was their number one choice at that time. He has also been capped eight times in the last two years which suggests he is currently their number two choice.

Old school goalies werenít always that tall itís the modern keeper today that says 6í3íí is a bit on the small side

I think all keepers are good shot stoppers nowadays what makes the difference imo is positioning and more and more distribution

I also think we can forget just how much the modern ball moves in the air compared to the ball used in times past it can make good goalkeepers look like fools



What we don't see a lot of nowadays is goalkeepers travelling eight yards or more to leap and catch the ball, that was a skill in itself.  It was always exciting to see a goalie take the ball off the strikers head just as he was about to connect.  It may be because, as you say John, down to the statistics of the ball.  As a youngster I very rarely ever saw a goalkeeper punch the ball, they always caught it or attempted to.  Punching was for foreigners.

Balls were a lot heavier then, nowadays punches often get almost to the centre circle.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Risso on August 11, 2018, 05:28:58 PM
I'm sure he will improve a lot, but that was as dodgy a display as you're likely to see.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: wittonwarrior on August 11, 2018, 05:42:45 PM
He could make the difference of us going up or not and the not word comes to mind
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on August 11, 2018, 05:52:00 PM
He was obviously nervous which can't have been helped by some very poor defending and a few of the worst back passes he'll ever have received. At least he didn't chuck one in his own net.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Smoke on August 11, 2018, 05:54:16 PM
0 saves 0 catches. Didn't have a lot to do to be fair though.

Bruce mentioned he was good at kicking. Didn't see it from that display. Guzan level kicking.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: four fornicholl on August 11, 2018, 05:56:02 PM
Let's not get on the kids back just yet, a win is a win is a win.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: London Villan on August 11, 2018, 05:57:39 PM
I wonder if the new pitch contributed to those dodgy back-passes. That said he did it twice in one game last season. The new keeper must get better....
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: mr underhill on August 11, 2018, 05:59:07 PM
words fail me. As debuts go, shite. Great teeth though.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: jwarry on August 11, 2018, 05:59:17 PM
He was obviously nervous which can't have been helped by some very poor defending and a few of the worst back passes he'll ever have received. At least he didn't chuck one in his own net.

Johnstone was exactly the same when he started with us
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Tayls_7 on August 11, 2018, 06:13:35 PM
It won't be the end for Ny.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 11, 2018, 06:21:08 PM
I donít think we should leap to judgement here. Hopefully just a shaky start and heíll grow in confidence.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 11, 2018, 06:30:15 PM
Pretty awful debut, but he's only been here a few days and been thrown in. Jedinak didn't really help much either.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Risso on August 11, 2018, 06:38:38 PM
Why not keep Steer and let this lad settle in a bit.  We've now got two keepers in the squad without a minute of Premier League experience behind them, and no idea how good either of them really are.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: olaftab on August 11, 2018, 06:41:03 PM
Pretty awful debut, but he's only been here a few days and been thrown in. Jedinak didn't really help much either.
Jedinak let himself down. There is no way he should have been placing the new goalie under pressure as he did. Got away with it once but...
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on August 11, 2018, 07:23:36 PM
I need to see it again but I think the first goal was totally down to the shit back pass from Jedi, not sure the keeper could have done anything other than what he tried to do.

Kicking was poor but he's hardly the first keeper we've said that about.

Give him time !
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Matt Collins on August 11, 2018, 07:53:12 PM
From the highlights the first was absolutely down to jedi rather than him
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: achilles on August 11, 2018, 08:17:29 PM
From the highlights the first was absolutely down to jedi rather than him

I don't need to see the highlights to know it was Jedinak's fault, absolutely crap pass but it wasn't the first or last Jedinak made today, appalling display!
The goalie looked shell shocked, give him the benefit of the doubt today but he has to improve massively!
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Ads on August 11, 2018, 08:35:54 PM
Didn't have a save to make and Jedinak was at fault for the first. Kicking was a bit wayward. Hard to tell anything really.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: olaftab on August 11, 2018, 08:41:00 PM
His kicking reminded me of Barmy Army singing about Mitchell Johnsonís bowling.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 11, 2018, 08:44:18 PM
Didn't have a save to make and Jedinak was at fault for the first. Kicking was a bit wayward. Hard to tell anything really.

Not having a go at the keeper (having seen it on telly now, the first was Jedinak's fault) but surely he had a save to make with their second?
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: CT on August 11, 2018, 08:45:47 PM
Early days. He didn't seem to inspire much confidence in the defence (or me!) - although Jedi did him up a treat for their first. He needs to be way more commanding, that said, not easy after a few training sessions.

I just wish he'd hurry up a bit with goal kicks. He seems to take a bloody age to take them, even when we were level.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Ads on August 11, 2018, 08:51:09 PM
Didn't have a save to make and Jedinak was at fault for the first. Kicking was a bit wayward. Hard to tell anything really.

Not having a go at the keeper (having seen it on telly now, the first was Jedinak's fault) but surely he had a save to make with their second?

I meant it more in that he didn't make an obvious save. If he'd have got to the 2nd fair play, I just meant I didn't think he had a lot to do.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Dave on August 11, 2018, 09:00:31 PM
Hes got AVFC #1 on his Twitter so I'm guessing it's safe to say he's not come to sit in the bench.

Bruce said they'd been looking at him for a fee years but couldn't afford him.

Bruce said the same about Scott Hogan

Strange signing this, Nyland hasn't much more experience than Gollini or Steer.

That's not really true though, is it? He's played four times as many matches as Gollini and more than twice as many as Steer.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 11, 2018, 09:33:38 PM
That was pretty similar to the one Gollini conceded v Huddersfield.

Hope he does a bit better. Poor backpass but would question Nyland's starting position, was he on the goal line or something?

Most keepers when general play is on would be near the edge of the box.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Ads on August 11, 2018, 09:34:17 PM
It was a dire ball back, badly undercooked.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 11, 2018, 09:35:33 PM
It was but bad backpasses happen all the time, they still rarely fly into the net. I think a better starting position and he'd kick that out for a throw in ahead of Nick Powell.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 11, 2018, 09:36:57 PM
This kid is highly rated and will come good. The defence in front of him didnít help. Heís just joined, hasnít developed any chemistry with the other players yet. That will come and he will win us points.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Pat McMahon on August 11, 2018, 10:52:00 PM
It was but bad backpasses happen all the time, they still rarely fly into the net. I think a better starting position and he'd kick that out for a throw in ahead of Nick Powell.

That was my take. Slightly under hit back pass by Jedinak but Nyland seemed slow to react and didnít attack the ball with intent. Eminently avoidable goal and it gave Wigan a foothold in the game.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on August 11, 2018, 10:53:01 PM
Didn't have a save to make and Jedinak was at fault for the first. Kicking was a bit wayward. Hard to tell anything really.

This is what I thought
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on August 11, 2018, 11:00:06 PM
Twitter

https://twitter.com/OrjanHNyland1/status/1028383693063127040?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: paul_e on August 11, 2018, 11:52:01 PM
I think blaming his positioning is harsh, the fault is entirely with Jedi who not only massively underhit the pass but also hit it almost directly between Nyland and Chester. It was terrible, especially to play to a keeper who's on his debut and has had about 3 training sessions with the team. For m that the real black mark against Jedi, not just at centreback but in general, his passing is fucking pathetic for someone who's made a career playing in midfield. It's why I'd only play him in games where we expect the opposition to lump the ball forward and then I'd stick him 5 yards in front of the defence and tell him to win everything in the air, which is what should've happened today.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: LeeB on August 11, 2018, 11:55:27 PM
It's not just poorly executed, it's Jonny Wilkinson style execution which sends a signal to the Wigan lad about 5 seconds before the attempt, plus it should have been played with his laces if at all.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on August 12, 2018, 12:01:11 AM
On his debut, in front of home crowd, the last thing a young keeper needs is a shit backpass played yards too slow for him to deal with it easily. There will be more than enough pressure applied to him by opposition players across the 46 games this season - the last fucking thing he needs is some gobshite from his own team, who should know better at his age, playing the kind of pass that forces a potentially game-changing split second decision from nothing at all

Fucking stupid football, and not at all his fault IMO.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: tomd2103 on August 12, 2018, 12:30:14 AM
It was but bad backpasses happen all the time, they still rarely fly into the net. I think a better starting position and he'd kick that out for a throw in ahead of Nick Powell.

I thought he was a little slow to react as well and could have made it to the ball earlier, although watching it again in TV it was a really poor ball from Jedinak.  He'd hesitated on a back pass from Jedinak earlier on in the game, but the ball just deflected off the oncoming Wigan player and went up field, so he had had a warning. 
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: paul_e on August 12, 2018, 01:00:46 AM
If he'd been here 2-3 months and could be expected to have the confidence to steam out, clear it and then tear strips off Jedinak then I think it's fair criticism that he may have reacted a little slowly but for now he gets a pass for me.  I don't think he was at fault for the 2nd either, I'd pin that one mostly on Hutton who let the man get across him far too easily (my criticism of Hutton in defence has always been about positioning and specifically that he can be a bit slow to react to runners so it's nothing new that he got caught out like that).
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Dave on August 12, 2018, 01:17:34 AM
On his debut, in front of home crowd, the last thing a young keeper needs is a shit backpass played yards too slow for him to deal with it easily.

I'm all for cutting the guy a bit of slack, but he's not really a young keeper, is he?

He's older than David De Gea and had been playing for his country for five years.

He's not been plucked from the Walsall under-17s.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: mr underhill on August 12, 2018, 07:45:58 AM
McGinn had just as much reason to feel nervous about his debut - maybe more so. He passed with flying colours. Nyland didn't.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on August 12, 2018, 07:52:47 AM
On his debut, in front of home crowd, the last thing a young keeper needs is a shit backpass played yards too slow for him to deal with it easily.

I'm all for cutting the guy a bit of slack, but he's not really a young keeper, is he?

He's older than David De Gea and had been playing for his country for five years.

He's not been plucked from the Walsall under-17s.

Fair. I didn't actually realise he was 27.

It was still a shocking backpass mind, so that bit stands.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Matt Collins on August 12, 2018, 08:59:03 AM
I've watched the first goal a couple of times

I don't understand how anyone can say it was the keeper's fault. It was an appealing backpass. Wrong direction and way too slow

We all love jedinak but it is fairly amazing that he's managed to make such a career for himself despite such terrible passing ability
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: ktvillan on August 12, 2018, 09:14:17 AM
From what I saw Jedi's back pass was bad but salvageable.  Nyland just needed to hit it to the side rather than straight at the onrushing Wigan player.  I thought it was poor from the keeper. 
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 12, 2018, 09:18:48 AM
I've watched the first goal a couple of times

I don't understand how anyone can say it was the keeper's fault. It was an appealing backpass. Wrong direction and way too slow

We all love jedinak but it is fairly amazing that he's managed to make such a career for himself despite such terrible passing ability

Of course Jedi needs to take most of the responsibility but I think if Nyland had been near the edge of the box he'd have still kicked it away.

Can't see from the camera angle but he must've been in the six yard box.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Deano's Mullet on August 12, 2018, 09:20:23 AM
Jedi's passing yesterday was very poor i thought.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 12, 2018, 09:23:26 AM
I imagine with Whelan looking the part more the last few games we'll see far more rotation between the two this year. I still like Jedi but he obviously impacts on games more against direct teams, Boro home and away showed his effectiveness. Fulham in the final very much less so.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Clampy on August 12, 2018, 09:33:04 AM
He won't be the last player to feel nervous on his home debut (didn't Tommy Johnson throw up on the pitch)? I didn't think he was too bad overall but he could have done with playing with a bit more of a solid defence in front of him instead of players out of position. I'm not sure what Bruce was thinking of to be honest.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Brassneck on August 12, 2018, 10:30:12 AM
I saw it a bit different to Clampy.  I thought it was a nightmare performance.  I was watching him in the warm up and he let a couple of howlers slip under him.  He then confirmed my fears during the match.  There was terrible co-ordination between the back 4 and the keeper and nobody had the confidence in him.  Hence the amount of times the ball was booted out of play for a throw in rather than a simple pass back.  There was one incident in the second half when a second ball was there for the taking in the 6 yard box and he missed his punch completely.

I'm very worried moving forward and early days or not, I can't see us finishing top 2 with such indecision.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Clampy on August 12, 2018, 10:39:16 AM
We'll see how it goes Brassneck but I'm not going to worry about someone who I hadn't even heard off until a week ago and only seen play once.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Brassneck on August 12, 2018, 10:58:58 AM
We'll see how it goes Brassneck but I'm not going to worry about someone who I hadn't even heard off until a week ago and only seen play once.

I'm a born worrier Clampy.  It's going to take a good run of games from this guy to win me over though.  After 70 minutes yesterday, I was beginning to wonder how good the Spanish keeper is.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: achilles on August 12, 2018, 11:31:35 AM
We'll see how it goes Brassneck but I'm not going to worry about someone who I hadn't even heard off until a week ago and only seen play once.

I'm a born worrier Clampy.  It's going to take a good run of games from this guy to win me over though.  After 70 minutes yesterday, I was beginning to wonder how good the Spanish keeper is.

The Spanish keeper was brilliant at half time with keepie ups!
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Pat McMahon on August 12, 2018, 11:44:42 AM
I saw it a bit different to Clampy.  I thought it was a nightly mare performance.  I was watching him in the warm up and he let a couple of howlers slip under him.  He then confirmed my fears during the match.  There was terrible co-ordination between the back 4 and the keeper and nobody had the confidence in him.  Hence the amount of times the ball was booted out of play for a throw in rather than a simple pass back.  There was one incident in the second half when a second ball was there for the taking in the 6 yard box and he missed his punch completely.

I'm very worried moving forward and early days or not, I can't see us finishing top 2 with such indecision.

That non-clearance in the second half worried me more than the first goal. I think Chester ballooned a clearance in the box and Nyland came to punch but instead of clearing the crowd out of his way he seemed to dance around the side and try to punch, getting very little on the ball.

Hopefully he will now get used to his defence and they will work on communication and organisation. Not a great first game but we got the 3 points
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Risso on August 12, 2018, 11:47:35 AM
Hopefully the League Cup will give him an opportunity to settle down a bit in front of a smaller crowd. 
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: achilles on August 12, 2018, 11:54:10 AM
Hopefully the League Cup will give him an opportunity to settle down a bit in front of a smaller crowd. 

I think the Spanish keeper is playing in the cups?
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: olaftab on August 12, 2018, 11:55:28 AM
The attempted poor clearance after Chesterís error  was indeed worrying. Itís the sort of thing that can destroy a keeper. For the goal Jedi was mostly to blame and he has a history on that sort of thing.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Risso on August 12, 2018, 11:56:53 AM
Hopefully the League Cup will give him an opportunity to settle down a bit in front of a smaller crowd. 

I think the Spanish keeper is playing in the cups?

That's a possibility too, but I'd play Nyland, if he's going to be our number 1.  Looks like he needs the pratice to be honest.  I don't like that whole playing your reserve in the League Cup games thing to be honest, because there comes a time if the team progresses that you have to decide whether to continue with it if you get to a semi or final.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: tomd2103 on August 12, 2018, 12:07:58 PM
I've watched the first goal a couple of times

I don't understand how anyone can say it was the keeper's fault. It was an appealing backpass. Wrong direction and way too slow

We all love jedinak but it is fairly amazing that he's managed to make such a career for himself despite such terrible passing ability

What you couldn't see on the TV Matt, but could from being at the ground was that he reacted far too late and was almost waiting for the ball before he realised it wasn't going to get there.  He did the same earlier on in the game, but the ball deflected off the oncoming player and went upfield. 

After the goal it was heart in the mouth stuff every time it went back to him and he mis-kicked quite a few, including one with his left foot which hardly cleared our back four.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: tomd2103 on August 12, 2018, 12:09:46 PM
I saw it a bit different to Clampy.  I thought it was a nightly mare performance.  I was watching him in the warm up and he let a couple of howlers slip under him.  He then confirmed my fears during the match.  There was terrible co-ordination between the back 4 and the keeper and nobody had the confidence in him.  Hence the amount of times the ball was booted out of play for a throw in rather than a simple pass back.  There was one incident in the second half when a second ball was there for the taking in the 6 yard box and he missed his punch completely.

I'm very worried moving forward and early days or not, I can't see us finishing top 2 with such indecision.

That non-clearance in the second half worried me more than the first goal. I think Chester ballooned a clearance in the box and Nyland came to punch but instead of clearing the crowd out of his way he seemed to dance around the side and try to punch, getting very little on the ball.

Hopefully he will now get used to his defence and they will work on communication and organisation. Not a great first game but we got the 3 points

From where I was sat in the Holte Pat, it looked like he didn't get anything on that ball at all and completely misread it. 
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: mr underhill on August 12, 2018, 12:35:14 PM
he looked more like a scandi porn star to me. I don't know what kind of spheres the fella's used to working with, but they ain't footballs.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Pat McMahon on August 12, 2018, 03:56:02 PM
I saw it a bit different to Clampy.  I thought it was a nightly mare performance.  I was watching him in the warm up and he let a couple of howlers slip under him.  He then confirmed my fears during the match.  There was terrible co-ordination between the back 4 and the keeper and nobody had the confidence in him.  Hence the amount of times the ball was booted out of play for a throw in rather than a simple pass back.  There was one incident in the second half when a second ball was there for the taking in the 6 yard box and he missed his punch completely.

I'm very worried moving forward and early days or not, I can't see us finishing top 2 with such indecision.

That non-clearance in the second half worried me more than the first goal. I think Chester ballooned a clearance in the box and Nyland came to punch but instead of clearing the crowd out of his way he seemed to dance around the side and try to punch, getting very little on the ball.

Hopefully he will now get used to his defence and they will work on communication and organisation. Not a great first game but we got the 3 points

From where I was sat in the Holte Pat, it looked like he didn't get anything on that ball at all and completely misread it. 

 I was sat in the middle of K6 in the upper Holte so saw as little as you did! I saw enough to see he didnít clear it.

I also agree with your above post about him being slow to attack the ball for the first goal. General opinion around me was that he seemed slow to realise the pass was under hit
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on August 12, 2018, 04:24:45 PM
It wasn't that the pass was under hit so much as it was shocking placement - directionally it was headed across the face of the box rather than to the keeper, which placed it in Powell's path.

Honestly how anyone can expect Nyland to have reacted quicker or done more is beyond me. Jedinak misplaced the ball and Nyland had to suddenly accelerate to get anywhere near it. Nyland to his credit manages to get a touch, but the ball cannons off Powell and into the net. Nothing more he could do, nothing more to be said.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Clampy on August 12, 2018, 04:33:32 PM
He didnt even need to pass it back at all. I don't recall him.being closed down.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: tomd2103 on August 12, 2018, 04:39:44 PM
It wasn't that the pass was under hit so much as it was shocking placement - directionally it was headed across the face of the box rather than to the keeper, which placed it in Powell's path.

Honestly how anyone can expect Nyland to have reacted quicker or done more is beyond me. Jedinak misplaced the ball and Nyland had to suddenly accelerate to get anywhere near it. Nyland to his credit manages to get a touch, but the ball cannons off Powell and into the net. Nothing more he could do, nothing more to be said.

We'll have to agree to disagree about that then mate.  I agree it was a terrible back pass by Jedinak, but think that the keeper just wasn't alert and was slow to react.  He nearly got caught out earlier and his kicking was pretty haphazard all game.  What did strike me about him was that, while other keepers are constantly on the move when the ball is up the other end of the pitch, he was stood still and seem pretty disengaged.

Probably being a bit harsh seeing as it was his debut, but it was a bit concerning and there were shades of Gollini there.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Matt Collins on August 12, 2018, 04:45:19 PM
As I said above I've watched that goal a couple of times

It was definitely jedi's fault
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: frank black on August 12, 2018, 04:56:28 PM
The players were hoofing the ball out for throw ins rather than passing back.

Hopefully just a first game big occasion nerves thing. The goal wasnít his fault, but you could see his confidence take a big kick
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Risso on August 12, 2018, 05:03:52 PM
As I said above I've watched that goal a couple of times

It was definitely jedi's fault

It was an awful, awful bit of play by Jedinak, I don't know what he was thinking.  When the ball is played, Nyland is much further away from the ball than the Wigan player, as shown here (click on the thumbnail to see the fill size image):

(https://thumb.ibb.co/cEr9ap/Screen_Shot_2018_08_12_at_16_59_57.png) (https://ibb.co/cEr9ap)



But then Powell seems to slow down and almost stop, and Nyland actually gets there first, but just completely misses the ball.  It could be because Chester was in close attendance as well, but whatever, he does miss it completely.


So yes, absolutely Jedinak's fault in the first place for the horror of a back pass, but then Nyland probably should have done a lot better with the clearance.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: jwarry on August 12, 2018, 05:08:07 PM
Welcone to English football Orjan. Iím sure you will get used to it
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Newby on August 12, 2018, 05:22:42 PM
Keeper did ok to get there and if the ball rebounds anywhere but that 24 foot expanse, then like the jammy fucker who scored against Gollini a couple of years back, we would not have conceded.  Clearly Jedinak's fault.  Jedinak CAN play centre back, he did perfectly well there last season.  However, the season before, when playing at centre back, in one game, his first for Villa at centre back, iirc, he had a mare.  Who were the opposition?  Yup, Wigan.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 12, 2018, 05:28:33 PM
He cost us two goals against Sheffield United at centre half as well.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: richl on August 12, 2018, 11:24:04 PM
My mate who is the GK coach at Cardiff says good keeper, can't kick
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: taylorsworkrate on August 12, 2018, 11:36:15 PM
Keeper did ok to get there and if the ball rebounds anywhere but that 24 foot expanse, then like the jammy fucker who scored against Gollini a couple of years back, we would not have conceded.  Clearly Jedinak's fault.  Jedinak CAN play centre back, he did perfectly well there last season.  However, the season before, when playing at centre back, in one game, his first for Villa at centre back, iirc, he had a mare.  Who were the opposition?  Yup, Wigan.

Jedinak was awful last season at CB.

He adds a lot to the team in certain matches and situations but as a defender he has always been a liability
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: wittonwarrior on August 13, 2018, 12:09:43 AM
My mate who is the GK coach at Cardiff says good keeper, can't kick

And flavour of last season Sam Johnstone could?  Didn't stop Bosnich having a good career
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Risso on August 13, 2018, 12:50:31 AM
My mate who is the GK coach at Cardiff says good keeper, can't kick

And flavour of last season Sam Johnstone could?  Didn't stop Bosnich having a good career

The back pass rule changed while Bosnich was playing in fairness.  Keepers these days have grown up with it since they've been able to play, so don't have that excuse.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Brassneck on August 13, 2018, 01:21:50 AM
As I said above I've watched that goal a couple of times

It was definitely jedi's fault

It was an awful, awful bit of play by Jedinak, I don't know what he was thinking.  When the ball is played, Nyland is much further away from the ball than the Wigan player, as shown here (click on the thumbnail to see the fill size image):

(https://thumb.ibb.co/cEr9ap/Screen_Shot_2018_08_12_at_16_59_57.png) (https://ibb.co/cEr9ap)



But then Powell seems to slow down and almost stop, and Nyland actually gets there first, but just completely misses the ball.  It could be because Chester was in close attendance as well, but whatever, he does miss it completely.


So yes, absolutely Jedinak's fault in the first place for the horror of a back pass, but then Nyland probably should have done a lot better with the clearance.

The ball was still traveling through.  If it had been still then the picture would have shown the true position.

Jedinakís fault but the keeper was also at fault.  Bad position in the first place and slow to react.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Risso on August 13, 2018, 01:28:10 AM
Apologies, it wasn't that easy to show a moving ball from a screenshot.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Jockey Randall on August 13, 2018, 08:23:15 AM
As I said above I've watched that goal a couple of times

It was definitely jedi's fault

It was an awful, awful bit of play by Jedinak, I don't know what he was thinking.  When the ball is played, Nyland is much further away from the ball than the Wigan player, as shown here (click on the thumbnail to see the fill size image):

(https://thumb.ibb.co/cEr9ap/Screen_Shot_2018_08_12_at_16_59_57.png) (https://ibb.co/cEr9ap)



But then Powell seems to slow down and almost stop, and Nyland actually gets there first, but just completely misses the ball.  It could be because Chester was in close attendance as well, but whatever, he does miss it completely.


So yes, absolutely Jedinak's fault in the first place for the horror of a back pass, but then Nyland probably should have done a lot better with the clearance.

Nyland kicks the ball against Powell's leg doesn't he? The way the ball is rolling along the ground and then loops up slightly and bounces into the net certainly suggests that.

Definitely Jedi's fault.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: London Villan on August 13, 2018, 08:45:44 AM
It's a key part of any team now - recycling the ball via the keeper. He needs to learn how to kick and quickly.

It was a very poor pass by Jedinak, but the keep could have cleared the ball, the player and launched it up the pitch.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on August 13, 2018, 08:47:52 AM
As I said above I've watched that goal a couple of times

It was definitely jedi's fault

It was an awful, awful bit of play by Jedinak, I don't know what he was thinking.  When the ball is played, Nyland is much further away from the ball than the Wigan player, as shown here (click on the thumbnail to see the fill size image):

(https://thumb.ibb.co/cEr9ap/Screen_Shot_2018_08_12_at_16_59_57.png) (https://ibb.co/cEr9ap)



But then Powell seems to slow down and almost stop, and Nyland actually gets there first, but just completely misses the ball.  It could be because Chester was in close attendance as well, but whatever, he does miss it completely.


So yes, absolutely Jedinak's fault in the first place for the horror of a back pass, but then Nyland probably should have done a lot better with the clearance.

Nyland kicks the ball against Powell's leg doesn't he? The way the ball is rolling along the ground and then loops up slightly and bounces into the net certainly suggests that.

Definitely Jedi's fault.

Yep, that's what happened, and absolutely Jedi's fault.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Brassneck on August 13, 2018, 09:01:21 AM
Apologies, it wasn't that easy to show a moving ball from a screenshot.

Apology accepted.

The screenshot is misleading - You make out that the GK is Billy Whizz, which he is not.  It was not a race to get to the ball in the position that you show it because it was moving away from Powell and towards the GK.  Freeze it earlier and the ball is even nearer Powell.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Chris Stares on August 13, 2018, 09:04:16 AM
My observation on that goal was that it was absolutely Jedinak's fault for the under-hit pass, but I wonder if anyone else noticed the momentum of the ball seemed to die off pretty rapidly as it headed towards Nyland?  Noticing this, I watched the run of the ball more intently after the goal and it seemed to happen with a few other passes along the deck as well.  Despite watering the pitch, and maybe with the dry weather we've had, perhaps the new turf is a bit "grippy" and needs a really good soaking so as to prevent the ball losing momentum when passed along the deck?  For the goal, it appeared to me that Nyland thought, at first, that there was enough momentum on the pass from Jedi, and then it seemed to die quicker than he was anticipating resulting in his "oh shit!" reaction and the mad scurry to try and get to the ball before Powell.  As I said, certainly Jedi's fault for under-hitting the pass, a little bit Nyland's fault for his hesitation, but I still have this sense that the "grippiness" of the pitch played a tiny part.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: RussellC on August 13, 2018, 09:11:54 AM
My observation on that goal was that it was absolutely Jedinak's fault for the under-hit pass, but I wonder if anyone else noticed the momentum of the ball seemed to die off pretty rapidly as it headed towards Nyland?  Noticing this, I watched the run of the ball more intently after the goal and it seemed to happen with a few other passes along the deck as well.  Despite watering the pitch, and maybe with the dry weather we've had, perhaps the new turf is a bit "grippy" and needs a really good soaking so as to prevent the ball losing momentum when passed along the deck?  For the goal, it appeared to me that Nyland thought, at first, that there was enough momentum on the pass from Jedi, and then it seemed to die quicker than he was anticipating resulting in his "oh shit!" reaction and the mad scurry to try and get to the ball before Powell.  As I said, certainly Jedi's fault for under-hitting the pass, a little bit Nyland's fault for his hesitation, but I still have this sense that the "grippiness" of the pitch played a tiny part.

Completely agree with this. McGinn under hit his first couple of passes too, before seeming to get to grips with he pace of the surface.  Wonder if it's a coincidence that this is the first summer in a long time that we haven't had a pre-season friendly at Villa Park?

As for Nyland, yes he looked a bit shaky but, as others have said, no more so that Sam Johnstone did when he first came-in. He did slice a few kicks, but I also think that wasn't helped by the fact that he was being asked to aim towards Elmohamady on the touchline, for the majority of the time. I'll reserve judgments until he's had a run of games.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: TheMalandro on August 13, 2018, 09:17:35 AM
I don't attach any blame to the keeper for that one, I think it was a bit unlucky.
Jedinak should be a substitute, and not for a defender.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: darren woolley on August 13, 2018, 09:52:30 AM
He didnt even need to pass it back at all. I don't recall him.being closed down.

Pleasure to meet you on Saturday Clampy enjoyed the game happy days.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Clampy on August 13, 2018, 10:07:38 AM
He didnt even need to pass it back at all. I don't recall him.being closed down.

Pleasure to meet you on Saturday Clampy enjoyed the game happy days.

A huge pleasure to meet you too Darren, glad you enjoyed it.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 13, 2018, 10:33:14 AM
My observation on that goal was that it was absolutely Jedinak's fault for the under-hit pass, but I wonder if anyone else noticed the momentum of the ball seemed to die off pretty rapidly as it headed towards Nyland?  Noticing this, I watched the run of the ball more intently after the goal and it seemed to happen with a few other passes along the deck as well.  Despite watering the pitch, and maybe with the dry weather we've had, perhaps the new turf is a bit "grippy" and needs a really good soaking so as to prevent the ball losing momentum when passed along the deck?  For the goal, it appeared to me that Nyland thought, at first, that there was enough momentum on the pass from Jedi, and then it seemed to die quicker than he was anticipating resulting in his "oh shit!" reaction and the mad scurry to try and get to the ball before Powell.  As I said, certainly Jedi's fault for under-hitting the pass, a little bit Nyland's fault for his hesitation, but I still have this sense that the "grippiness" of the pitch played a tiny part.

Completely agree with this. McGinn under hit his first couple of passes too, before seeming to get to grips with he pace of the surface.  Wonder if it's a coincidence that this is the first summer in a long time that we haven't had a pre-season friendly at Villa Park?


We had a completely new pitch in the summer (first time in a very long time apparently), that might have something to do with it? No idea if that's feasible, but it sounds believable

FWIW at the match it looked to me like the keeper's fault, but then again, i was the other end of the ground. Seeing it on telly it looked pretty much entirely Jedinak's fault.

I know the keeper hit it off Powell, but he shouldn't really have been put in that position in the first place.

Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: paul_e on August 13, 2018, 10:48:25 AM
He didnt even need to pass it back at all. I don't recall him.being closed down.

Yep, watching the highlights again this morning it did seem like Jedi had the time to take a touch and play it out rather than shipping it back. You just know that if it hadn't been charged down the 'plan' was for it to be smacked to Elmo's head.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: DBTW on August 13, 2018, 11:38:15 AM
Just putting my penneth worth in, and that was probably the worst debut I've seen since Ugo's (God rest his soul)

I hope he can become as big a player for us as Ugo did.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 13, 2018, 11:55:45 AM
Just putting my penneth worth in, and that was probably the worst debut I've seen since Ugo's (God rest his soul)

I hope he can become as big a player for us as Ugo did.

Does anyone else want to say it,  or shall I?
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Risso on August 13, 2018, 11:57:21 AM
That it wasn't Ugo's debut?
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 13, 2018, 11:58:11 AM
Wasn't Curtis Davis's the worst EVER?
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 13, 2018, 12:07:23 PM


I do think some folks are going overboard on this one. Neither goal was his fault IMHO

And i think the best keeper in the world would've looked shakey behind that back four on Saturday. ALL four of them as well not just Jedinak

Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: paul_e on August 13, 2018, 12:09:48 PM
I really don't understand why he's getting this much grief, first goal he should never have been put in that position and 2nd goal was clearly bad marking by Hutton and yet the latter is getting absolutely no criticism.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 13, 2018, 12:28:13 PM
I really don't understand why he's getting this much grief, first goal he should never have been put in that position and 2nd goal was clearly bad marking by Hutton and yet the latter is getting absolutely no criticism.

Standard.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Risso on August 13, 2018, 12:31:12 PM
Wasn't Curtis Davis's the worst EVER?

His was pretty dismal. One that sticks in the mind for being an absolute stinker was Djemba-Djemba.  His home debut in any case, absolutey dreadful against Arsenal.  Also, didn't Lee Hendrie get sent off on his debut?  Came on after half an hour, then received his marching orders 20 minutes later.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: tomd2103 on August 13, 2018, 12:34:24 PM
My observation on that goal was that it was absolutely Jedinak's fault for the under-hit pass, but I wonder if anyone else noticed the momentum of the ball seemed to die off pretty rapidly as it headed towards Nyland?  Noticing this, I watched the run of the ball more intently after the goal and it seemed to happen with a few other passes along the deck as well.  Despite watering the pitch, and maybe with the dry weather we've had, perhaps the new turf is a bit "grippy" and needs a really good soaking so as to prevent the ball losing momentum when passed along the deck?  For the goal, it appeared to me that Nyland thought, at first, that there was enough momentum on the pass from Jedi, and then it seemed to die quicker than he was anticipating resulting in his "oh shit!" reaction and the mad scurry to try and get to the ball before Powell.  As I said, certainly Jedi's fault for under-hitting the pass, a little bit Nyland's fault for his hesitation, but I still have this sense that the "grippiness" of the pitch played a tiny part.

Completely agree with this. McGinn under hit his first couple of passes too, before seeming to get to grips with he pace of the surface.  Wonder if it's a coincidence that this is the first summer in a long time that we haven't had a pre-season friendly at Villa Park?


We had a completely new pitch in the summer (first time in a very long time apparently), that might have something to do with it? No idea if that's feasible, but it sounds believable

FWIW at the match it looked to me like the keeper's fault, but then again, i was the other end of the ground. Seeing it on telly it looked pretty much entirely Jedinak's fault.

I know the keeper hit it off Powell, but he shouldn't really have been put in that position in the first place.

I remember thinking at the match that the ball did definitely seem to slow up and it was a poor pass from Jedinak, but I still maintain that Nyland was a bit slow to react.  As I have said before, he nearly got caught before that incident when he waited an age for a back pass to come to him and allowed the oncoming forward to get far too close.  He just didn't seem alert and from the still on the previous page, he's not even in the picture when I would have thought he really should be on the edge of his box at least.  Not sure he can be blamed for the second goal, but his kicking was pretty poor all afternoon with a number of his kicks going straight into touch and a horrible slice with his left foot off a back pass in the second half.   
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: mr underhill on August 13, 2018, 03:23:13 PM
you can colour this anyway you like - he was shit with knobs on.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Clampy on August 13, 2018, 03:33:45 PM
you can colour this anyway you like - he was shit with knobs on.

In your opinion he was.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 13, 2018, 04:17:40 PM
you can colour this anyway you like - he was shit with knobs on.

which bits of his performance especially ?
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on August 13, 2018, 04:23:11 PM
Wasn't Curtis Davis's the worst EVER?

His was pretty dismal. One that sticks in the mind for being an absolute stinker was Djemba-Djemba.  His home debut in any case, absolutey dreadful against Arsenal.  Also, didn't Lee Hendrie get sent off on his debut?  Came on after half an hour, then received his marching orders 20 minutes later.

Yes Hendrie was sent off at Loftus Road
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: tomd2103 on August 13, 2018, 04:56:33 PM
you can colour this anyway you like - he was shit with knobs on.

which bits of his performance especially ?

I wouldn't go as far as the term used above, but I did have some concerns.  His kicking was poor on Saturday and goal incident aside, he made a mess of another couple of backpasses.  He didn't have much to do in terms of saves, but I was sat just behind the goal in the Holte and he nearly made a mess of a fairly innocuous shot in the first half and it nearly spilled out to the oncoming striker.  He then got nowhere near a high ball that came into the box in the second half and seemed to misjudge it completely.   

That said, I think he gets the benefit of the doubt seeing as it was his debut.  We'll have to see how he gets on over the next couple of weeks.     
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: SamTheMouse on August 13, 2018, 05:12:20 PM
Blimey, it's harsh to fault the keeper for that. Maybe he was a bit slow to react, but it was a horror pass from Jedinak that died and fell perfectly for Powell.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Mister E on August 13, 2018, 05:19:19 PM
I really don't understand why he's getting this much grief, first goal he should never have been put in that position and 2nd goal was clearly bad marking by Hutton and yet the latter is getting absolutely no criticism.
People seem to have too much time on their hands.
Obsessing about the keeper's first game in front of a large crowd, a dodgy back 3 on a new pitch ...
Ö Jeez, Gawd help him when he drops a proper clanger.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 13, 2018, 05:24:47 PM
I agree. I donít see what the big deal is. This is on Jedinak not on our new keeper in the early part of his new career. It was poor defending by experienced players on both of their goals.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 13, 2018, 05:29:14 PM
Just putting my penneth worth in, and that was probably the worst debut I've seen since Ugo's (God rest his soul)

I hope he can become as big a player for us as Ugo did.

This was Ugo's debut. The Norwich game was over a year later.

Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: tomd2103 on August 13, 2018, 05:34:19 PM
I agree. I donít see what the big deal is. This is on Jedinak not on our new keeper in the early part of his new career. It was poor defending by experienced players on both of their goals.

What about the one before that though TV where he waited an age before nearly getting charged down or the one he completely ballooned in the second half with his left foot?  I can understand why people are concerned to be honest.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Clampy on August 13, 2018, 05:48:55 PM
One game and people are concerned? You have to laugh sometimes.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 13, 2018, 05:51:49 PM
One game and people are concerned? You have to laugh sometimes.

Is it really any different to people being excited about McGinn after 1 game? 
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Clampy on August 13, 2018, 05:56:21 PM
One game and people are concerned? You have to laugh sometimes.

Is it really any different to people being excited about McGinn after 1 game? 

Or is it different to that Stuart bloke being concerned against Benteke?
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 13, 2018, 05:59:03 PM
That's not the point, people are excited about McGinn after 1 game, and concerned about Nyland after 1 game. There's no difference.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Brassneck on August 13, 2018, 06:01:02 PM
One game and people are concerned? You have to laugh sometimes.

Is it really any different to people being excited about McGinn after 1 game?

Yes - Completely different.  McGinn showed what he can do because of determination and desire - These two qualities do not blow hot and cold.  They remain a constant.

The GK was indecisive and hesitant.  The entire league will know this now and begin to take advantage.  I don't see how someone his age will suddenly decide that he's going to be more decisive and less hesitant, or that he will change his kicking style.  Johnstone in goal on Saturday and Wigan would not have equalised.

I hope I'm wrong and will be delighted if I'm shown to be.  However, that performance didn't inspite me with confidence.  The way the defenders were reluctant to play the ball back suggests that they weren't confident either.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Clampy on August 13, 2018, 06:03:29 PM
And PWS, you still remind that Stuart bloke he was wrong whenever he posts.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 13, 2018, 06:04:13 PM
It really isn't. Basing it on 1 game either way is no different. We've seen players start shit and become good, start good and become shit.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 13, 2018, 06:05:02 PM
And PWS, you still remind that Stuart bloke he was wrong whenever he posts.

Which still isn't the point. Which makes me laugh ;)
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Risso on August 13, 2018, 06:16:17 PM
It really isn't. Basing it on 1 game either way is no different. We've seen players start shit and become good, start good and become shit.

The biggest group in recent years have been players who started shit and stayed shit, sadly.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Brassneck on August 13, 2018, 06:23:21 PM
It really isn't. Basing it on 1 game either way is no different. We've seen players start shit and become good, start good and become shit.

I'd agree with you if we were talking about 2 outfield players.  Not when we're talking about 1 outfield player and 1 GK.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: adrenachrome on August 13, 2018, 06:41:20 PM
And PWS, you still remind that Stuart bloke he was wrong whenever he posts.

Which still isn't the point. Which makes me laugh ;)

Laughter is the best medicine, so they say.
I disagree and prefer Opium. But each to their own. It's all about opinions at the end of day.
Funny old game.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Newby on August 13, 2018, 07:06:43 PM
Definitely Jedinak's fault for the goal. Dreadful pass.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 13, 2018, 08:01:54 PM
Yes - Completely different.  McGinn showed what he can do because of determination and desire - These two qualities do not blow hot and cold.  They remain a constant.

How's that true?

You're saying that it's not possible for a player to show determination and desire at one point in their career and none of it later?

Desire and determination are every bit in the head as a goalkeeper showing confidence in kicking, and as such they are going to fluctuate.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Brassneck on August 13, 2018, 08:43:39 PM
Yes - Completely different.  McGinn showed what he can do because of determination and desire - These two qualities do not blow hot and cold.  They remain a constant.

How's that true?

You're saying that it's not possible for a player to show determination and desire at one point in their career and none of it later?

Desire and determination are every bit in the head as a goalkeeper showing confidence in kicking, and as such they are going to fluctuate.

It just is true.

Besides, it wasnít just the kicking that was the problem with the GK.  More importantly was his indecision when the defenders were looking to play the ball back to him.  The hesitation wasnít down to a bad game or nerves, it was down to the GK not being able to do any better.

I hope that this problem can be resolved quickly because we wonít get away so lightly for long.  I suspect that the next few teams that we play are going to target this weakness and press to force our defenders to make back passes.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: tomd2103 on August 13, 2018, 08:59:48 PM
One game and people are concerned? You have to laugh sometimes.

If it had been one isolated incident then fair enough, but his kicking from back passes was pretty poor throughout the game.  Considering how many times we pass it back to the keeper during a game, I would say a keeper who looks like he struggles to deal with back passes is a concern, just as it was with Gollini after his debut at Hillsborough.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Villafirst on August 13, 2018, 09:31:03 PM
Too early to judge. Also, Gary Thompson on WM tonight said he shouldn't have played on Saturday having only signed on Wednesday. He needs to get used to his new team mates, Country etc., Certainly it didn't help his confidence with that stupid back pass from Jedinak; at least he finished on a winning side. The guy has 27 international caps for Norway - he must have ability to be Norway's number one.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Virgil Caine on August 13, 2018, 10:11:48 PM
One game and people are concerned? You have to laugh sometimes.

If it had been one isolated incident then fair enough, but his kicking from back passes was pretty poor throughout the game.  Considering how many times we pass it back to the keeper during a game, I would say a keeper who looks like he struggles to deal with back passes is a concern, just as it was with Gollini after his debut at Hillsborough.

Whilst not defending the poor chap totally, if the coaching staff state repeatedly that the opt out ball is to kick skywards toward Elmo who is on the touchline just in the opponents half then the margin for error is somewhat greater. If a goalkeeper can ping a ball some 50 yards plus onto the noggin of a wing back with accuracy some might argue that he should be playing as a midfielder. In addition if you have a forward who is not too gifted in the aerial challenge department and the ball comes back on numerous occasions then the keeper is bound to look more at fault. This pissing around at the back will always put the keeper under pressure- Cech looked decidedly dodgy when Man City pressed up to the 18 yard line against Arsenal on Sunday and I sure no one would question his ability over the years
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on August 13, 2018, 10:19:09 PM
Let's give the lad a chance. Fuck sake.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: JD on August 14, 2018, 05:07:28 AM
Totally agree ATAL. Give the guy a few games before we judge him.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Brassneck on August 14, 2018, 07:51:57 AM
We are giving him a chance.  Nobody has written him off.  We're just expressing concerns.  None of us WANT him to fail.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Towser on August 14, 2018, 08:00:45 AM
Did anyone else notice Nyland and Jedinak celebrating the winning goal? They were the only 2 on the half way line when it went in, both celebrated like loonies together. I think the pitch accounted for the mistake and there was a overwhelming sense of relief in their celebration I felt
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: john e on August 14, 2018, 09:50:52 AM
One game and people are concerned? You have to laugh sometimes.


i've only seen Mcginn for one game but have made an instant judgement on him

he's Top
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on August 14, 2018, 10:59:35 AM
Let's give the lad a chance. Fuck sake.

This , with bells on
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Chris Stares on August 14, 2018, 11:35:42 AM
Sam Johnstone was very dodgy in quite a few of his early games.  By the end of his time with us, most were hoping that we could retain his services on a permanent basis.  If only the new owners had been around earlier in the transfer window, maybe we could have afforded to sign him.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Neil Hawkes on August 14, 2018, 02:28:34 PM
Once he has established communication with his backline - which means a settled backline, then he should improve.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: mr underhill on August 14, 2018, 03:32:29 PM
he can't get any worse so I guess the only way is up
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: West Derby Villan on August 14, 2018, 10:07:48 PM
One game, FFS, he'll be fine
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: footyskillz on August 17, 2018, 08:37:41 PM
Please start him tomorrow I prefer Nyland in nets to tso far .
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: themossman on August 18, 2018, 04:10:55 PM
We really need a loan keeper.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: CT on August 18, 2018, 04:57:24 PM
We really need a loan keeper.

Just one that isn't a calamity in waiting would be good,
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Risso on August 18, 2018, 05:45:37 PM
Early days, but so far this lad looks an absolute stinker. Youíd have to question how good a 27 year old keeper who has played for the quality of clubs that Nyland has, actually is.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Brassneck on August 18, 2018, 08:05:59 PM
Not bad today apart from the goal.

Cost us 2 points today though and I doubt anyone is surprised by this.

I only hope those 2 points donít come back to haunt us.  Weíre playing poor sides at present.  Once we start playing better sides, we could slip out of the top 6 at this rate.

Yes itís early days but it isnít looking promising.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: brian green on August 18, 2018, 08:12:22 PM
He had nothing to do today after gifting them a goal.  He manages to reinvigorate the opposition.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: LukeJames on August 18, 2018, 08:34:02 PM
Gollini, Johnstone, Nyland and Moreira have all looked dodgy in there early games for us, its probably a nerve thing.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: TheMalandro on August 18, 2018, 08:54:39 PM
Gollini, Johnstone, Nyland and Moreira have all looked dodgy in there early games for us, its probably a nerve thing.

After signing Spaniards with no ball control, we now sign a nervy Norwegian. Unlikely!
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Brassneck on August 18, 2018, 09:47:03 PM
Having just watched it back, it looks even worse.  Not only does he not appear to shout but there was no need to go for it.  It was going to land on Jedinak's head - The best header of the ball in our side.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: OzVilla on August 18, 2018, 10:06:46 PM
Unless you are exceptional across this the rest of the pitch, you cannot expect to go up if you donít have a competent goalkeeper. He needs to win you points in tight games not cost you them.

Johnstone did this for us at times last season, can Nyland?
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: wittonwarrior on August 18, 2018, 10:27:04 PM
Gollini's long lost brother at the moment.  His positioning is poor, his kicking even worse than Johnstone's and no Terry in front of him.  He will be shot to bits tonight.  Needs resting  what is Ruddy doing right  now?
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: LukeJames on August 18, 2018, 10:42:19 PM
Unless you are exceptional across this the rest of the pitch, you cannot expect to go up if you donít have a competent goalkeeper. He needs to win you points in tight games not cost you them.

Johnstone did this for us at times last season, can Nyland?

Johnstone cost us some high profile games over his time with us aswell, Molineux 0-1 defeat, Fulham last season.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: frank black on August 18, 2018, 11:15:24 PM
Unless you are exceptional across this the rest of the pitch, you cannot expect to go up if you donít have a competent goalkeeper. He needs to win you points in tight games not cost you them.

Johnstone did this for us at times last season, can Nyland?

Johnstone cost us some high profile games over his time with us aswell, Molineux 0-1 defeat, Fulham last season.

Yep he wasnít brilliant either
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: TheMalandro on August 18, 2018, 11:19:18 PM
We could fill a Danny Baker blooper video,  probably from last season.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Clampy on August 19, 2018, 12:46:09 AM
Just watched it again and it looked worse than it did at the time. Looked like a mad rush of blood which is hopefully something he'll stop doing once he settles down.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: sickbeggar on August 19, 2018, 12:48:42 AM
Not gonna make a judgement yet. he's new to the championship, he doesn't know the defence yet, he's got a midfielder as a centre half, a centre half as right-back, a right-back as a left back etc..
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: tomd2103 on August 19, 2018, 12:50:00 AM
Having just watched it back, it looks even worse.  Not only does he not appear to shout but there was no need to go for it.  It was going to land on Jedinak's head - The best header of the ball in our side.

Absolutely no need for him to go into that cluster of players and it looked a very poor decision. 
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: adrenachrome on August 19, 2018, 12:52:27 AM
I never thought I wouid pine for the days of Colin Withers.Mind you he did have Slogger in front of him.

Then web flogged him to Small Heath.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: aj2k77 on August 19, 2018, 12:55:45 AM
This bloke ain't gonna be no good, he's all over the shop. Crap scouting once again.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: sickbeggar on August 19, 2018, 12:59:07 AM
Harsh. At least give him a few games to adapt. I'm sure if terry was still here and we had the whole playing players in their right positions thing going on he'd look a bit better
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: tomd2103 on August 19, 2018, 01:01:11 AM
Harsh. At least give him a few games to adapt. I'm sure if terry was still here and we had the whole playing players in their right positions thing going on he'd look a bit better

Hopefully he will pick up, but how many games do you give him if he continues to make mistakes which cost us goals? 
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: sickbeggar on August 19, 2018, 01:05:27 AM
Harsh. At least give him a few games to adapt. I'm sure if terry was still here and we had the whole playing players in their right positions thing going on he'd look a bit better

Hopefully he will pick up, but how many games do you give him if he continues to make mistakes which cost us goals?

well i'm guessing if we lose and he plays a major part in that, then he will be dropped, but he won't be the first 'keeper to find british football a bit of a new experience. there's a few in the premiership suffering that currently that cost a fair bit more.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: tomd2103 on August 19, 2018, 01:33:17 AM
Harsh. At least give him a few games to adapt. I'm sure if terry was still here and we had the whole playing players in their right positions thing going on he'd look a bit better

Hopefully he will pick up, but how many games do you give him if he continues to make mistakes which cost us goals?

well i'm guessing if we lose and he plays a major part in that, then he will be dropped, but he won't be the first 'keeper to find british football a bit of a new experience. there's a few in the premiership suffering that currently that cost a fair bit more.

Fair enough and hopefully it won't come to that.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: KRS on August 19, 2018, 05:07:18 AM
Harsh. At least give him a few games to adapt. I'm sure if terry was still here and we had the whole playing players in their right positions thing going on he'd look a bit better
How hard can it be for a goalkeeper to adjust to the English game? If he's a professional footballer then surely the basics of goalkeeping are the same whatever league or country you play in. This guy is no good and shouldn't have been signed in the first place.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Kimaster1976 on August 19, 2018, 06:10:34 AM
His howler against Wigan and indeed one other time in that game almost costing another goal came as a result of him being deep and on his heels and not coming out to clear back passes, this game and with no need whatsoever he charges out through a ridiculous amount of players to try and punch a throw in.

Very worrying start it has to be said.

Wouldnt be so bad if our 2nd goalkeeper signed this summer didnt look even worse in his debut and looked an even bigger calamity waiting to happen.

Did any of our coaches/scouts ever actually see these 2 play before putting pen to paper?
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Nunkin1965 on August 19, 2018, 06:13:02 AM
Didnít Bruce say somewhere, press conference or interview,  that heíd been watching him for 4 years?
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: OCD on August 19, 2018, 06:26:40 AM
Didn’t Bruce say somewhere, press conference or interview,  that he’d been watching him for 4 years?

Yep so hopefully he's better than he's showing at the moment and it's just nerves of settling into a new club, new country and new league.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: brian green on August 19, 2018, 06:41:56 AM
I will say what I always say when yet another player puts on a Villa shirt and fails to produce what we bought him for.  Time is a luxury you cannot afford especially in the Championship.  We appear to have bought Nyland and Moreira both of whom are either poor goalkeepers or who are mentally weak.  By the time we find out which it is a quarter of the season will be gone.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: mr underhill on August 19, 2018, 07:22:23 AM
he's not an accident waiting to happen, he's an accident that's constantly happening.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 19, 2018, 07:28:24 AM
Howler against Wigan? It was Jedinakís fault. An experienced international footballer who played a terrible backpass. Might Nyland have reacted a little quicker? Maybe, but it certainly wasnít his fault. Yes it was poor yesterday. But to completely write him off as some are doing is just ludicrous after 2 games.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 19, 2018, 08:15:55 AM
The error wasnít great today, but I still think itís way too early to determine that Nyland or Moreira are poor or mentally weak.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Ads on August 19, 2018, 08:40:28 AM
Hes made one error and it was a bad one.

He needs to settle and gain some confidence, but he hasn't made a save yet.

Far too early to be writing him off or saying he's mentally weak.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: brian green on August 19, 2018, 09:07:34 AM
We shall see.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Ads on August 19, 2018, 09:15:37 AM
That's usually what I like to do, rather than decide somebody is either poor or mentally weak after two games
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Clampy on August 19, 2018, 09:20:37 AM
That's usually what I like to do, rather than decide somebody is either poor or mentally weak after two games


Or one game in Moriera's case.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Edvard Remberg on August 19, 2018, 09:21:38 AM
he's not an accident waiting to happen, he's an accident that's constantly happening.
Now This is bullshit and actually silly. If he is here,  and our best option,  how about not going into a full meltdown and on his back - pretty sure he will not improve from being flogged in public (e.g. Karius)
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 19, 2018, 09:35:02 AM
That's usually what I like to do, rather than decide somebody is either poor or mentally weak after two games


Or one game in Moriera's case.

Where he saved a penalty and didnít concede.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Matt Collins on August 19, 2018, 10:16:01 AM
Definitely needs a chance

Just a problem that the defence is vulnerable generally at this point
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Drummond on August 19, 2018, 10:56:16 AM
I swear to god people prefer failure and latching on to it than trying to see the good and being patient.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: tomd2103 on August 19, 2018, 11:02:55 AM
I swear to god people prefer failure and latching on to it than trying to see the good and being patient.

We haven't really got that much time to be patient though if promotion is going to be a realistic aim.  I think the league is already shaping up to be more difficult than the past two seasons, so we can't afford continual mistakes that cost points. 
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: aj2k77 on August 19, 2018, 11:17:54 AM
He looks about as comfortable as a frog in a teapot. Massive downgrade from last season. This looks a punt.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Brassneck on August 19, 2018, 11:53:04 AM
That's usually what I like to do, rather than decide somebody is either poor or mentally weak after two games


Or one game in Moriera's case.

Or none if we're linked to a player on the transfer thread that somebody doesn't want.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Brassneck on August 19, 2018, 11:54:46 AM
Hes made one error and it was a bad one.

He needs to settle and gain some confidence, but he hasn't made a save yet.

Far too early to be writing him off or saying he's mentally weak.

He made several in the Wigan game and a comedy of errors for the goal yesterday.

We have no choice but to give him time as there is no realistic alternative.  That does not stop me thinking that he's shit and that unlike a younger keeper, I can't see him changing that drastically.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 19, 2018, 12:09:23 PM



Another player the terminal grumblers have got their teeth into before he's even started his career.

One mistake yesterday (and a shit one granted) and he's already shit .. how's about actually giving him support and willing him to do better ?

Why on earth some folks even bother to go to matches when they seemingly get absolutely zero enjoyment out of the club week in week out boggles the mind. NOTHING seems good enough so what's the bloody point even feigning an interest?

I really don't get it. More money than sense is the only logical conclusion i can come up with.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 19, 2018, 12:12:35 PM
Hopefully he will pick up, but how many games do you give him if he continues to make mistakes which cost us goals?

More than one
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Risso on August 19, 2018, 12:18:10 PM



Another player the terminal grumblers have got their teeth into before he's even started his career.

One mistake yesterday (and a shit one granted) and he's already shit .. how's about actually giving him support and willing him to do better ?

Why on earth some folks even bother to go to matches when they seemingly get absolutely zero enjoyment out of the club week in week out boggles the mind. NOTHING seems good enough so what's the bloody point even feigning an interest?

I really don't get it. More money than sense is the only logical conclusion i can come up with.

I could similarly ask why you bother coming on here? All you do is moan about other posters. If it annoys you so much, just stay away.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 19, 2018, 12:18:44 PM
Neither look good at claiming crosses, Moriera was really poor at Yeovil in this regard.

To be good in this league you need to be strong in that area considering how physical teams are. Nyland needs to improve big time when we come round to facing teams like Boro who'll be constantly chucking it into the box.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: PGW on August 19, 2018, 12:21:03 PM
After watching him at Hull and at home to Wigan i was somewhat disappointed in him as according to Bruce his distribution was supposed to
be top draw...let's just say in those games it wasn't. Massive improvement yesterday in terms of throwing balls out to wing backs or even quick punts upfield beyond defenders for Jimmy Danger to run onto.
A tragic error yesterday which ultimately cost us 2 points....I'm happy to persevere with him as hopefully he will learn from these errors and cut them out of his game.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 19, 2018, 12:23:59 PM
I could similarly ask why you bother coming on here? All you do is moan about other posters. If it annoys you so much, just stay away.

Better to moan at the negative ones than the positive ones though innit ?

At least to my mind.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Brassneck on August 19, 2018, 01:20:46 PM



Another player the terminal grumblers have got their teeth into before he's even started his career.

One mistake yesterday (and a shit one granted) and he's already shit .. how's about actually giving him support and willing him to do better ?

Why on earth some folks even bother to go to matches when they seemingly get absolutely zero enjoyment out of the club week in week out boggles the mind. NOTHING seems good enough so what's the bloody point even feigning an interest?

I really don't get it. More money than sense is the only logical conclusion i can come up with.

2 performances and he's been shit in both.  How else would you like me to describe him?

As for going to matches, I've been going for more than 48 years.  I'm hardly likely to stop now am I?

If anyone who went yesterday enjoyed it then good luck to them.  Where I was sitting, nobody seemed to be enjoying it and everyone was moaning about something, if not the keeper then the manager or the team.  If our away following yesterday was based on people enjoying it then we'd have had around 30 people there.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: ktvillan on August 19, 2018, 01:33:42 PM
Two games, two bad errors, two goals conceded.  Gollini was better than that.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Ads on August 19, 2018, 01:41:50 PM
What errors against Wigan? His kicking needs to find it's radar but I'm not sure what else he did wrong?
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: ktvillan on August 19, 2018, 01:44:20 PM
What errors against Wigan? His kicking needs to find it's radar but I'm not sure what else he did wrong?

Kicking Jedi's backpass straight at Powell so it went in?  There was no reason why he couldn't have kicked it to either side.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Ads on August 19, 2018, 01:48:57 PM
Powell was on him, wasn't his fault.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Pete3206 on August 19, 2018, 01:49:45 PM
Didn't Johnstone start off a bit dodgy for us? Lets give him a chance. The alternative would have been Steer and we've definitely dodged a bullet on that one.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Clampy on August 19, 2018, 01:54:58 PM
What errors against Wigan? His kicking needs to find it's radar but I'm not sure what else he did wrong?

Kicking Jedi's backpass straight at Powell so it went in?  There was no reason why he couldn't have kicked it to either side.

It was a hopelessly underhit and pointless backpass. Only Jedinak was to blame for that howler.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: ktvillan on August 19, 2018, 01:58:49 PM
The back pass was poor but it didn't have to be blasted at Powell.  It could easily have been kicked to the side.  Keeper mistake in my book.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Clampy on August 19, 2018, 02:02:30 PM
The back pass was poor but it didn't have to be blasted at Powell.  It could easily have been kicked to the side.  Keeper mistake in my book.

We'll have to agree to disagree on that one I think.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: robleflaneur on August 19, 2018, 02:06:09 PM
What worried me about his performance v Wigan was that he was rooted to his line when crosses were coming in on the 6 yard line. In the second half when his defender close in headed the ball up in the air,he came and flapped,nearly costing us a goal.
A keeper in our football ,even if he can't dominate on crosses within his zone,has to at least provide a convincing physical presence,otherwise it becomes a shark like feeding frenzy.
It's not something that comes naturally to some foreign keepers who usually face a different breed of attackers and it's not something that is easily cured which is the worry here.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: sickbeggar on August 19, 2018, 02:11:31 PM
I always work these sort of mistakes back to the key underlying factor.  Nyland wouldn't have kicked it badly if Jedinak hadn't back-passed it. Jedinak wouldn't have back-passed it if he wasn't selected in central defence by Bruce. Bruce wouldn't have selected Jedinak in central defence if he wasn't a fuckwitt etc., etc... All things considered its deffo Bruce's mum's fault.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Pete3206 on August 19, 2018, 02:16:32 PM
Another thing to consider is the utter nonsense of a team selection put in front of him, in terms of 3 players being selected play out of their natural position.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Brassneck on August 19, 2018, 02:22:12 PM
What errors against Wigan? His kicking needs to find it's radar but I'm not sure what else he did wrong?

Hesitancy throughput.  Before Powellís goal, he failed to collect twice when it was clearly his ball.  After that, we were forced to concede possession rather than risk passing back.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Larry Duff on August 19, 2018, 02:23:48 PM
I thought Jed Steer played quite well at Hull. He made a mistake in Germany but other than that he has been okay.
I also think Sarkic is a pretty solid Goalkeeper too.

Hopefully this guy will improve but so far He has not filled me with confidence.
As for the keeper that played at Yeovil, all good GK are a bit crazy and go in where angels fear to tread, this one was as brave and committed as David Ginola.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: brian green on August 19, 2018, 02:26:45 PM
For me the jury is out on Nyland and Moreira. FWIIW I was in my seat very early yesterday.  It is an old bloke thing.   I hate being late.  On the pitch was Richie DeLaet and Conor doing sprints I assumed to be Richie testing his fitness. Soon after Nyland came out to practice his kicking.  He was being coached by the shaven headed bandy legged coach whose name I ashamed to admit escapes me.  Nyland was trying to hit the wide areas but at least two thirds of his kicks sailed into touch.  Full marks for working on it.  Execution not so hot.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: sickbeggar on August 19, 2018, 02:31:07 PM
Another thing to consider is the utter nonsense of a team selection put in front of him, in terms of 3 players being selected play out of their natural position.



Aye, the whole right-back thing is getting weird now. 5 of 'em at last count
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 19, 2018, 02:32:54 PM

I didn't see any mistakes against Wigan. And although i wasn't there yesterday every report i've read state he didn't have a save to make
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Clampy on August 19, 2018, 02:35:41 PM
For me the jury is out on Nyland and Moreira. FWIIW I was in my seat very early yesterday.  It is an old bloke thing.   I hate being late.  On the pitch was Richie DeLaet and Conor doing sprints I assumed to be Richie testing his fitness. Soon after Nyland came out to practice his kicking.  He was being coached by the shaven headed bandy legged coach whose name I ashamed to admit escapes me.  Nyland was trying to hit the wide areas but at least two thirds of his kicks sailed into touch.  Full marks for working on it.  Execution not so hot.

I don't recall too many of his kicks sailing into touch during the game mind you.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: mr underhill on August 19, 2018, 02:55:29 PM
could we convert mica or fat ross into a keeper?
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: brian green on August 19, 2018, 03:01:45 PM
That was because he kicked more centrally.  The practice obviously led to him being discouraged from trying to find the flanks.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: brian green on August 19, 2018, 03:08:09 PM
Hi Mr U.  Funny you should say that, I was amusing some young fans sitting by me telling them sbout the days before substitutes.  We of course had the incredible advantage of having Con Martin a capped international goalkeeper playing centre half for us.  When a keeper got injured or sent off a side would give the jersey to the biggest bruiser in the team.  If the same rules applied today Mile Jedinak would be the nailed on replacement goalie.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: ktvillan on August 19, 2018, 03:23:36 PM
The back pass was poor but it didn't have to be blasted at Powell.  It could easily have been kicked to the side.  Keeper mistake in my book.

We'll have to agree to disagree on that one I think.

Guess so, it's a matter of opinion, but despite the shoddy backpass I don't think it was inevitable that  it had to be hit straight at Powell. 
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on August 19, 2018, 03:35:18 PM
That was probably the only kick he didn't slice. If he had done, we would probably have got away with it!
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: brian green on August 19, 2018, 03:36:31 PM
I think the buck stops with Jedinak for that howler.  There have been Villa goalkeepers in the past who would have ignored the ball and wiped out Powell.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Mister E on August 19, 2018, 03:38:26 PM
What errors against Wigan? His kicking needs to find it's radar but I'm not sure what else he did wrong?

Kicking Jedi's backpass straight at Powell so it went in?  There was no reason why he couldn't have kicked it to either side.
Bit harsh, that. Jedi put him in the cack, TBH.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Matt Collins on August 19, 2018, 03:52:25 PM
I know we're not going to resolve this. But how anyone can blame nyland for that Wigan goal is beyond me. I really don't understand what people think he could have done.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on August 19, 2018, 03:53:10 PM
Yeah, it was clearly Jedinak's fault.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: mr underhill on August 19, 2018, 03:57:46 PM
What did you make of it all yesterday Brian?
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Risso on August 19, 2018, 04:48:23 PM
I know we're not going to resolve this. But how anyone can blame nyland for that Wigan goal is beyond me. I really don't understand what people think he could have done.

It was 100% Jedinak's fault that he was in that position, but despite that, he should have knocked the ball to the side rather than smacking it straight at the Wigan player.  When you're in front of goal that's never a good idea.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Ads on August 19, 2018, 04:53:12 PM
I think Jedinak hadn't accounted for the pitch.

I noticed Thor cook a slow ball back. The pitch is now significantly flatter and I wonder if the absence of the camber, that was fairly dramatic as far as pitches go, is catching a few out.

Still his fault mind.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 19, 2018, 04:56:17 PM
I'm not convinced by Nyland, but this is as he's kicked it, how is he meant to aim wide of the Wigan player?

(https://image.ibb.co/hPMdHe/Screenshot_24.png)
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 19, 2018, 05:00:49 PM
I think I said last week but normally the modern sweeper keeper (Neuer, Ederson and the new Liverpool keeper) will be on edge of the box when play is on half way line ready for a back pass if needed.

From watching I can't believe Nyland was anywhere near that position, more likely on his six yard box so higher up the pitch and he'd surely have got to the ball well before Nick Powell.

More worrying is his lack of authority on crosses. Not the goal but there was a chance last week when Wigan headed over from six yards and he was rooted to his line.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 19, 2018, 05:03:42 PM
There is possibly a case he had a poor starting position or may have been a touch slow when first reacting, you can't tell from the replays, but once he got to the ball I don't see how he had any option but to do what he did and hope it bounced our way.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: supertom on August 19, 2018, 05:25:58 PM
Lets give him time. Johnstone came good. We've rarely had keepers start well, short of them being exceptionally well established (Big Brad). He's an international with a fair amount of experience, so hopefully he'll come good. Personally I think we threw him in too soon. He'd been here a matter of days before his debut.
Get behind him wednesday. Hopefully he gets a clean sheet and he gets a little confidence. I'm more concerned about Jedinak at CH at the moment.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Pat McMahon on August 19, 2018, 05:48:47 PM
I used to know an keeper in France who said the basic rule was that when the ball is in the opposition half you are on the edge of your area, when it is in your half you are on your 6 yard line and when it is in the box you are pretty much on your goal line. Not sure if that would apply across all leagues or to the modern sweeper keepers who, if anything, are further forward now.

I was in the Holte last week and thought Nyland was on his heels for the   (Under hit) back pass and was slow to attack it. I donít think he could have done much with the ball once he reached it though.

Not a great start but it is far too soon to write him off. He should hopefully work on his understanding with the back four in training and work out when the back passes should be played and to which side, when to come for crosses etc. It would help if we had a proper central defensive pairing for him to play behind though. I canít understand why Jedinak is there when Tuanzebe is in the team - I thought he was very unsteady at full back last week and looks really awkward.

Somebody posted last week that they know the Cardiff goal keeping coach and that their assessment was he is a good keeper with poor kicking. Hopefully we will see evidence of the former very quickly otherwise our defence will be built on rocky foundations.

Finally I remember McNaught being poor when he joined us - for a long time - and he ended up being a good un. Goalkeeper is far less forgiving though.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on August 19, 2018, 06:22:01 PM
Didn't Ken Mac come good at home against Bilbao and score a brace in pouring rain?
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: TopDeck113 on August 19, 2018, 06:51:58 PM
Hi Mr U.  Funny you should say that, I was amusing some young fans sitting by me telling them sbout the days before substitutes.  We of course had the incredible advantage of having Con Martin a capped international goalkeeper playing centre half for us.  When a keeper got injured or sent off a side would give the jersey to the biggest bruiser in the team.  If the same rules applied today Mile Jedinak would be the nailed on replacement goalie.

When was the last time an outfield player had to go in goal for us?  I can remember Platt taking the gloves when we were being stuffed at Highbury in 1991, but can't think of any subsequent to that.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Deano's Mullet on August 19, 2018, 07:02:35 PM
Hi Mr U.  Funny you should say that, I was amusing some young fans sitting by me telling them sbout the days before substitutes.  We of course had the incredible advantage of having Con Martin a capped international goalkeeper playing centre half for us.  When a keeper got injured or sent off a side would give the jersey to the biggest bruiser in the team.  If the same rules applied today Mile Jedinak would be the nailed on replacement goalie.

When was the last time an outfield player had to go in goal for us?  I can remember Platt taking the gloves when we were being stuffed at Highbury in 1991, but can't think of any subsequent to that.


Neil Cox at Southampton in 1994 following the League Cup Final. We lost 4-1.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Matt Collins on August 19, 2018, 07:11:19 PM
I'm not convinced by Nyland, but this is as he's kicked it, how is he meant to aim wide of the Wigan player?

(https://image.ibb.co/hPMdHe/Screenshot_24.png)

Exactly. I really don't understand this argument

He basically stretched to even connect with the ball so quite how he was meant to do something different with it I've no idea
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on August 19, 2018, 07:15:15 PM
Wasn't Nigel Spink's last Villa appearance as an outfield player?
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: tomd2103 on August 19, 2018, 07:45:45 PM
I'm not convinced by Nyland, but this is as he's kicked it, how is he meant to aim wide of the Wigan player?

(https://image.ibb.co/hPMdHe/Screenshot_24.png)

Exactly. I really don't understand this argument

He basically stretched to even connect with the ball so quite how he was meant to do something different with it I've no idea

By the time he reached it then it was almost a 50/50 and there was little he could do really.  I agree with the point made above that he was slow to react even though I also agree that the majority of the blame lay with Jedinak.  What the highlights didn't show was that he almost got a back pass charged down just before that, when he again was very slow to react and let the forward get far too close. 
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Clampy on August 19, 2018, 07:52:48 PM
I'm not convinced by Nyland, but this is as he's kicked it, how is he meant to aim wide of the Wigan player?

(https://image.ibb.co/hPMdHe/Screenshot_24.png)

Exactly. I really don't understand this argument

He basically stretched to even connect with the ball so quite how he was meant to do something different with it I've no idea

He should have at least tried to overhead kick it.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Brassneck on August 19, 2018, 08:52:28 PM
I'm not convinced by Nyland, but this is as he's kicked it, how is he meant to aim wide of the Wigan player?

(https://image.ibb.co/hPMdHe/Screenshot_24.png)

Exactly. I really don't understand this argument

He basically stretched to even connect with the ball so quite how he was meant to do something different with it I've no idea

He should have at least tried to overhead kick it.

Nathan Baker would have headed that clear.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Pete3206 on August 19, 2018, 09:09:53 PM
Wasn't Nigel Spink's last Villa appearance as an outfield player?

Yes. He came on a sub against QPR in December 1995 and played up front

This game was Lee Hendrie's debut. He also came on a sub and was sent off.

We lost.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: brian green on August 19, 2018, 09:19:01 PM
Lee hit the crossbar.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: adrenachrome on August 19, 2018, 09:24:43 PM
Lee hit the crossbar.

He did, indeed, but that does not count as a shot in target!

Amazing things, statistics. Apparently inflation is low as us unemployment.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: footyskillz on August 19, 2018, 09:54:43 PM
Having now seen the goal conceded what on earth was happening.  Maybe trying super hard to be dominating as was clearly no need to go out for that ball which led to the error and Ipswich scoring .

So I hope he will improve and would think settling in and having a settled back four would help but has been underwhelming so far but must have been scouted /recommended to be a capable championship GK other wise the move was seriously floored
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: brian green on August 19, 2018, 09:57:32 PM
He should have floored Powell.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: footyskillz on August 19, 2018, 10:01:36 PM
He should have stayed on his line for the goal that Ipswich scored may never have been
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 19, 2018, 10:41:03 PM
Steve Bruce (caveman manager with limited tactics) loves to have the GK kick the ball to the flanks. It leaves a much smaller margin for error so itís hardly a shock that on occasion it goes out of play.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: tomd2103 on August 19, 2018, 10:59:40 PM
Steve Bruce (caveman manager with limited tactics) loves to have the GK kick the ball to the flanks. It leaves a much smaller margin for error so itís hardly a shock that on occasion it goes out of play.

The type of kick Bruce is after is one that is probably about ten yards in from the touchline, as that gives the winger a chance to attack it.  Seeing as that is one of his main tactics, I would have thought finding a keeper capable of doing it would have been a primary scouting requirement.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 19, 2018, 11:27:08 PM
Could be worse, we could have Hamer who had an absolute shocker today.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: paul_e on August 20, 2018, 12:59:00 AM
He should have stayed on his line for the goal that Ipswich scored may never have been

I think this post, after the page or so back to talking about Wigan, sums the problem up.  Too slow coming off your line and you're indecisive, too eager and you're reckless. I think people forget that the goalkeeper has to learn to play with his team just as much as anyone else and he's not really had any time to do that.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: mr underhill on August 20, 2018, 07:06:33 AM
but the arguments about  this fella run deeper than that - i.e. his basic competency.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Ads on August 20, 2018, 07:34:07 AM
Run deeper? He's played 180 minutes!
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Clampy on August 20, 2018, 07:51:02 AM
but the arguments about  this fella run deeper than that - i.e. his basic competency.

Why didn't you warn us of his 'basic competency' before he joined or are you basing his whole career on two games in a Villa shirt?
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: brian green on August 20, 2018, 08:07:58 AM
I have already put my view that the jury is out on both Nyland and Moreira.  It is not unreasonable to comment that after debut games for both of them there are grounds for concern.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Mortimer's Bear on August 20, 2018, 08:09:12 AM
Need to give him a chance. Okay he hasn't covered himself in glory so far but as others have said he's played 180 minutes!
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: mr underhill on August 20, 2018, 08:46:15 AM
Clampy - are you willfully misreading  what i posted? The debate is about the chap's competency as a goalkeeper - his positioning, his ability to read  the game (or not) his technical skills (kicking /catching/punching etc)  It's not  based on two appearances for us .  He's a worry.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: paul_e on August 20, 2018, 09:01:56 AM
Clampy - are you willfully misreading  what i posted? The debate is about the chap's competency as a goalkeeper - his positioning, his ability to read  the game (or not) his technical skills (kicking /catching/punching etc)  It's not  based on two appearances for us .  He's a worry.

Again, a keeper doesn't exist in a vacuum, positioning and reading of the game are relative to other players and given Jedi and Axel and out of position in the front of him the whole unit is struggling to get those basics right. His technical skills are harder to judge because he hasn't had a great deal to do and, as Brian says, he was working on kicking to the flanks but has probably never been asked to do that regularly before. I think saying he's a worry is unfair, there are things to keep an eye on but once we have a functional defence in front of him I think we;ll be better able to judge him.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: ktvillan on August 20, 2018, 12:43:32 PM
I'm not convinced by Nyland, but this is as he's kicked it, how is he meant to aim wide of the Wigan player?

(https://image.ibb.co/hPMdHe/Screenshot_24.png)

Exactly. I really don't understand this argument

He basically stretched to even connect with the ball so quite how he was meant to do something different with it I've no idea

He should have at least tried to overhead kick it.

Nathan Baker would have headed that clear.

A carefully chosen freeze frame to try and prove a point.  I don't know how to post the image but I froze the video slightly before this frame just as Nyland makes first contact.  There is a gap between the ball and Powell that is at least a foot and up to two feet. Nyland could, in my view, with a bit of composure, have knocked it to his right side before Powell arrived instead of blasting it straight at him.

Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 20, 2018, 12:48:42 PM
I think it is time for Paullie's flappy handed 12 year old post again that he so aptly described Johnstone as when he arrived.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: ktvillan on August 20, 2018, 12:49:14 PM
(https://thumb.ibb.co/cjaSVz/Nyland.png) (https://ibb.co/cjaSVz)

Not the best image but you can see there was a gap for him to play it to the side
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Drummond on August 20, 2018, 12:51:46 PM
I'm not convinced by Nyland, but this is as he's kicked it, how is he meant to aim wide of the Wigan player?

(https://image.ibb.co/hPMdHe/Screenshot_24.png)

Exactly. I really don't understand this argument

He basically stretched to even connect with the ball so quite how he was meant to do something different with it I've no idea

He should have at least tried to overhead kick it.

Nathan Baker would have headed that clear.

A carefully chosen freeze frame to try and prove a point.  I don't know how to post the image but I froze the video slightly before this frame just as Nyland makes first contact.  There is a gap between the ball and Powell that is at least a foot and up to two feet. Nyland could, in my view, with a bit of composure, have knocked it to his right side before Powell arrived instead of blasting it straight at him.

A foot or two and your'e suggesting a goalkeeper try to take a man on, when he's the last man and just been sold a shit back-pass, on his debut?

Can you imagine the uproar if that hadn't worked?
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 20, 2018, 01:11:30 PM
(https://thumb.ibb.co/cjaSVz/Nyland.png) (https://ibb.co/cjaSVz)

Not the best image but you can see there was a gap for him to play it to the side

There isn't though, which is why I chose a later one to show where they were as the ball leaves his foot which is the important bit. Both are running at full speed.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: tomd2103 on August 20, 2018, 01:21:46 PM
Clampy - are you willfully misreading  what i posted? The debate is about the chap's competency as a goalkeeper - his positioning, his ability to read  the game (or not) his technical skills (kicking /catching/punching etc)  It's not  based on two appearances for us .  He's a worry.

Again, a keeper doesn't exist in a vacuum, positioning and reading of the game are relative to other players and given Jedi and Axel and out of position in the front of him the whole unit is struggling to get those basics right. His technical skills are harder to judge because he hasn't had a great deal to do and, as Brian says, he was working on kicking to the flanks but has probably never been asked to do that regularly before. I think saying he's a worry is unfair, there are things to keep an eye on but once we have a functional defence in front of him I think we;ll be better able to judge him.

I think it is perfectly reasonable to say Paul that he needs more time, but there are concerns based on his two appearances so far. 
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Clampy on August 20, 2018, 01:30:13 PM
Clampy - are you willfully misreading  what i posted? The debate is about the chap's competency as a goalkeeper - his positioning, his ability to read  the game (or not) his technical skills (kicking /catching/punching etc)  It's not  based on two appearances for us .  He's a worry.

If it's not based on his two appearances, I presume you must have seen him previously before he joined us?
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Risso on August 20, 2018, 01:36:51 PM
Well, he's got the perfect opportunity to put things right midweek.  Brentford don't typically hoof the ball into the box, so he should have a few less higher balls to deal with.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: ktvillan on August 20, 2018, 02:14:03 PM

A foot or two and your'e suggesting a goalkeeper try to take a man on, when he's the last man and just been sold a shit back-pass, on his debut?

Can you imagine the uproar if that hadn't worked?

I haven't said he should have taken the man on at all.

I imagine the "uproar" would have been no different to the uproar following blasting it against the oncoming forward and conceding a goal.

And PWS I reckon your frame is after the ball has left his foot and hit Powell.  We'll probably never agree but I'll stick to my opinion that Nyland could  knocked it to his right, if he'd had a little more composure.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: ktvillan on August 20, 2018, 02:16:07 PM
Well, he's got the perfect opportunity to put things right midweek.  Brentford don't typically hoof the ball into the box, so he should have a few less higher balls to deal with.

He'll probably still have a square peg in round hole defence in front of him though, which hasn't helped him, and I can see Brentford tearing it to shreds.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Pat McMahon on August 20, 2018, 02:24:23 PM
Well, he's got the perfect opportunity to put things right midweek.  Brentford don't typically hoof the ball into the box, so he should have a few less higher balls to deal with.

If it is like previous games against them we shall have such a small amount of possession that he will end up being our playmaker.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Risso on August 20, 2018, 02:34:32 PM
He needs to find his form and quickly.  Goalkeeper is one position where you can't afford for someone to take half the season to settle in. 
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: frank black on August 20, 2018, 05:37:07 PM
(https://thumb.ibb.co/cjaSVz/Nyland.png) (https://ibb.co/cjaSVz)

Not the best image but you can see there was a gap for him to play it to the side

There isn't though, which is why I chose a later one to show where they were as the ball leaves his foot which is the important bit. Both are running at full speed.

Looking at this image, he should have dropped his shoulder and carried the ball past the opposing player before hitting a 40 yard through ball and killing the game off.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Drummond on August 20, 2018, 05:39:57 PM

A foot or two and your'e suggesting a goalkeeper try to take a man on, when he's the last man and just been sold a shit back-pass, on his debut?

Can you imagine the uproar if that hadn't worked?

I haven't said he should have taken the man on at all.

I imagine the "uproar" would have been no different to the uproar following blasting it against the oncoming forward and conceding a goal.

And PWS I reckon your frame is after the ball has left his foot and hit Powell.  We'll probably never agree but I'll stick to my opinion that Nyland could  knocked it to his right, if he'd had a little more composure.

With that little space and time, you suggested playing it to the side. Did you expect him to hoof it 90 degrees then?
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Ads on August 20, 2018, 05:42:03 PM
Hes running at the ball at his full pace. He could have dropped the shoulder I suppose, but I'm not surprised he didn't.

Awful back pass and the goal was never his fault.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: frank black on August 20, 2018, 05:53:31 PM
Hes running at the ball at his full pace. He could have dropped the shoulder I suppose, but I'm not surprised he didn't.

Awful back pass and the goal was never his fault.

I was joking, it was an awful pass from Icanonlyusemyheadinak.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Ads on August 20, 2018, 05:59:23 PM
I know, I wasn't replying to your post though.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 20, 2018, 07:13:40 PM
Nyland on Ipswich draw...

"Disappointed I dropped two points for us. It's now head up and look forward to the game on Wednesday.

"The support was great!"

I feel sorry for him if he feels our failure was solely down to him. It wasnít.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 20, 2018, 07:21:07 PM
He's not to blame for us being shit against 10 men for nearly an hour.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: brian green on August 20, 2018, 09:09:57 PM
Agree. 
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: GarTomas on August 20, 2018, 09:30:27 PM
Good attitude to admit his mistake and want to push on.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: john e on August 20, 2018, 10:33:50 PM
Goalies do that though donít they,
they are the most honest players on the pitch and will always put there hands up for their mistakes ( see what I did there)

managers and outfield players go around blowing sugar up each otherís arses but a keeper just says Ďit was meí
most of them anyroads
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: ktvillan on August 21, 2018, 10:08:07 AM

A foot or two and your'e suggesting a goalkeeper try to take a man on, when he's the last man and just been sold a shit back-pass, on his debut?

Can you imagine the uproar if that hadn't worked?

I haven't said he should have taken the man on at all.

I imagine the "uproar" would have been no different to the uproar following blasting it against the oncoming forward and conceding a goal.

And PWS I reckon your frame is after the ball has left his foot and hit Powell.  We'll probably never agree but I'll stick to my opinion that Nyland could  knocked it to his right, if he'd had a little more composure.

With that little space and time, you suggested playing it to the side. Did you expect him to hoof it 90 degrees then?

Didn't have to be hoofed, just knocked away from Powell rather than straight at him.  In my opinion there was space and time to do that.  He could also have dropped the shoulder and dummied him and followed up with a 40 yard through ball, or controlled the ball in a 360 degree spin and left Powell wondering where he'd gone, but that might be expecting a bit much on his debut, as well as being sarcastic bollocks.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Ads on August 21, 2018, 10:18:26 AM
You're on your own here chief.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: footyskillz on August 22, 2018, 09:15:58 AM
Good luck to him today on home debut and hope he builds a bit of confidence.

One thing we certainly don't need is a goal keeper who is uncertain
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Duncan Shaw on August 22, 2018, 09:21:13 AM
Good luck to him today on home debut and hope he builds a bit of confidence.

One thing we certainly don't need is a goal keeper who is uncertain
Apart from the Wigan game, which was his home debut!!!
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Axl Rose on August 22, 2018, 09:21:31 AM
I think he's already had his home debut, footy.

Nothing wrong with having another, though!
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Drummond on August 22, 2018, 09:51:56 AM
Night games are different.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: ktvillan on August 22, 2018, 11:08:56 AM
You're on your own here chief.

Yeah looks like that course on "how to win friends and influence people" was a waste of money.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: footyskillz on August 22, 2018, 01:46:50 PM
I think I tried to forget that debut then !
Was he any solid as I'm getting so confused with things as it's clear he was part of the debate and discussion on that back pass- sorry!

The 94 min winner was all concerned about and was exonarated let's call the debut tonight his error free debut !
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Dave on August 22, 2018, 09:35:46 PM
Done pretty well tonight.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 22, 2018, 09:39:25 PM
Yep, could have done better with second but made some good saves.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 22, 2018, 09:44:52 PM
Pleased his saves after the second counted for something with that equaliser.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: taylorsworkrate on August 22, 2018, 09:47:30 PM
Thought he was decent overall but pretty poor for their 2nd goal
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Newby on August 22, 2018, 09:51:06 PM
Poor for their second? He saved the shot. Blimey, tough audience.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 22, 2018, 09:51:56 PM
I think he was a bit unlucky with the second, Watkins absolutely smashed it.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Matt Collins on August 22, 2018, 09:52:49 PM
Thought he did really well overall

Was annoyed at the goal but I agree he did whallop it (Watkins is a good player isn't he?)
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Jon Crofts on August 22, 2018, 09:53:48 PM
Did well to save the shot, did well overall.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: PeterWithe on August 22, 2018, 09:56:00 PM
My first look at him tonight, he looks nervy and that seems to spread around him. Some good saves mind and unlucky for the second.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: dave shelley on August 22, 2018, 09:57:33 PM
Thought he did really well overall

Was annoyed at the goal but I agree he did whallop it (Watkins is a good player isn't he?)

Brian Green was telling us about him two years ago.  I agree he looks decent.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: paul_e on August 22, 2018, 09:57:51 PM
He did make the save, and it was a decent one, but if you're pushing the ball away you need to be stronger.  That said I think he played very well and probably earned us a point in the end with a couple of very good saves.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 22, 2018, 09:59:03 PM
It was Chelts that first mentioned Watkins on here.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: garyshawsknee on August 22, 2018, 09:59:22 PM
Could have done better with the goal, but kept us in it with a couple of saves.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 22, 2018, 10:03:57 PM
I hope he takes confidence from that game.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 22, 2018, 10:08:39 PM
Well done tonight.  Kept us in it at 2-1.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on August 22, 2018, 10:14:12 PM
Played very well. Would have been a travesty if we had lost but we could easily have lost three one if not for his efforts.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Villan For Life on August 22, 2018, 10:15:08 PM
I hope he takes confidence from that game.

What he said.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 22, 2018, 10:28:20 PM
I hope he takes confidence from that game.

I thought that from the save he made first half. Second goal though, it was so weak on his part. Credit to him though, he literally saved us in the end.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Villafirst on August 22, 2018, 10:30:33 PM
Did well overall tonight. Should gain confidence from that.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 22, 2018, 10:31:20 PM
I donít think itís particularly weak. I think it was an absolute bullet, that he stopped, and was unlucky with where it went.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: footyskillz on August 22, 2018, 10:44:59 PM
Some great saves at 2-1 down big body blocks and things kept us in it.

Well done
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: frank black on August 22, 2018, 10:57:46 PM
Mmmmmm?
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: thick_mike on August 22, 2018, 10:59:28 PM
Played well tonight I think
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Villan For Life on August 22, 2018, 11:01:40 PM
Played well tonight I think

Yes, he will gain confidence from that performance.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: tomd2103 on August 22, 2018, 11:05:35 PM
I've been a bit if a critic since his arrival, but thought he did well tonight.  Looked far more assured and made two very good saves. 
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 23, 2018, 12:20:20 AM
Before the last 10 minutes he hardly had anything to do. No chance with the first which was a great strike.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 23, 2018, 01:42:00 AM
He made a very good, brave save in the first half. I just thought he should have pushed the ball wide with their second goal. It's the kind of save you expect from a decent keeper. Still, deserves massive credit for not letting in three or four. He earned his wages tonight and can feel happy that he positively contributed.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Ads on August 23, 2018, 01:45:16 AM
It's blasted from 8 yards mind. Similar position to Kodjia's first if not closer. Ideally he parries but it's tough and the error was Elmo's.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: tomd2103 on August 23, 2018, 02:13:50 AM
It's blasted from 8 yards mind. Similar position to Kodjia's first if not closer. Ideally he parries but it's tough and the error was Elmo's.

Yeah probably give him the benefit of the doubt for that one watching it back.  The ball was hit with such power he did well to keep it out and it could have gone anywhere.  Only seen a dodgy replay, but the first goal for them looked a bit offside when the ball was played down the wing.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Ads on August 23, 2018, 07:00:16 AM
Watkins actually pushes Tuanzebe for the first, so it was a foul, but he's got to be much stronger.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Lsvilla on August 23, 2018, 07:03:40 AM
It's blasted from 8 yards mind. Similar position to Kodjia's first if not closer. Ideally he parries but it's tough and the error was Elmo's.

Yeah probably give him the benefit of the doubt for that one watching it back.  The ball was hit with such power he did well to keep it out and it could have gone anywhere.  Only seen a dodgy replay, but the first goal for them looked a bit offside when the ball was played down the wing.
I thought the winger looked off too but right under the nose of and too close to the linesman I think this gets missed quite often.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Ads on August 23, 2018, 07:05:32 AM
Watkins was behind Tuanzebe as he was at an angle when when pushes him.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Newby on August 23, 2018, 07:40:04 AM
We can always rely on fat Jon Moss to miss it. Crap referee and never seems fit enough to me.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: AV82EC on August 23, 2018, 08:09:19 AM
We can always rely on fat Jon Moss to miss it. Crap referee and never seems fit enough to me.

Iím not normally one to moan about referees as if theyíre poor thatís usually for both teams but last night Moss was spectacularly useless.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: GarTomas on August 23, 2018, 08:11:15 AM
Arguably MOTM last night. Crucial saves to keep us in thmind game second half in particular getting Jedinak at the shit after another horrendous back pass/header
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Brassneck on August 23, 2018, 11:15:53 AM
I was very pleased for him.  He pulled off some great saves, including one when he was fast off his line to block a one on one.

If I was to be critical, I'd say that he could have done better with the goal.  Looking at the footage, he seems to start crouching downwards as the ball is hit.  Had he stayed upright, he may have been able to redirect the shot to a safer area.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: martyn ellis on August 23, 2018, 11:24:35 AM
He showed real character last night. He's had two poor moments on his first two appearances (admittedly the first was largely down to Jedinak), held his hand up and apologised. Imagine the pressure on him last night where if he'd made another blunder, the naysayers would be out. He stood big and stood up well with a couple of class saves and a smothering of another certain goal. May have done a bit better for their second, but all in all was instrumental in saving us a point. I think he will be good over the season.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: LeeB on August 23, 2018, 11:35:21 AM
The save he made point blank after their second last night was outstanding.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Drummond on August 23, 2018, 12:05:26 PM
I like what i'm seeing. With a better balanced four in front he'll be better still.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Chris Stares on August 23, 2018, 01:34:48 PM
We can always rely on fat Jon Moss to miss it. Crap referee and never seems fit enough to me.

Iím not normally one to moan about referees as if theyíre poor thatís usually for both teams but last night Moss was spectacularly useless.
I still haven't forgiven the fat useless twat for not penalising the assault by Vertonghen on Helenius a few seasons back, when the former tried to relieve the latter of his shorts in the box just as he was about to shoot on goal.  Stone-cold penalty and sending off (as per the laws back then), but the knob-jockey just waved play on.  I take great pleasure to this day, in watching Vertonghen get skinned (which is fairly often as he's even slower than Jedinak), both for Spurts and Belgium.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 23, 2018, 02:30:46 PM
Watkins actually pushes Tuanzebe for the first, so it was a foul, but he's got to be much stronger.

after Hutton had let the cross come in without any effort to stop it of course
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Nastylee on August 23, 2018, 05:29:44 PM
Second goal - ball could've gone anywhere but really feel Hutton could've been braver and got a block on it.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 23, 2018, 06:26:27 PM
He needs confidence in those in front of him. Those in front him need confidence in him. That takes time. Overall however they all need to do better.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Concrete Tom on August 25, 2018, 08:14:11 PM
Only seen the highlights today but his performance seemed to be much improved vs Reading.

Hope his confidence continues to increase.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: frank black on August 25, 2018, 08:16:13 PM
Much better, seemed that the team were instructed to trust him more and use him as an extra option. The past couple of games they have avoided giving him the ball. He was good on the deck and shot stopping, still not convinced about his positioning for sweeping or for commanding crosses. But overall a good performance
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: wittonwarrior on August 25, 2018, 08:45:33 PM
A - performance today the boy did well.  No real spectacular  saves thus the mark but quick with releasing the ball.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 25, 2018, 08:46:37 PM
A - performance today the boy did well.  No real spectacular  saves thus the mark but quick with releasing the ball.

He made two superb reaction saves in the second half two keep us in the lead.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: London Villan on August 25, 2018, 08:50:30 PM
He can learn the positioning stuff, the reactions have to be natural. Some good saves today.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 25, 2018, 09:35:16 PM
I have just watched it again and that double save at 1-0 was incredible.  Well done.  Cannot be easy after the start he has had.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Newby on August 25, 2018, 09:44:58 PM
Brilliant double save, absolutely superb.  He will get better once he's up to speed with the pace of British football.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Des Little on August 25, 2018, 10:19:03 PM
I have to say he was great today. Heís really starting to look the part, and with any luck heíll continue to do so.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Ad@m on August 25, 2018, 10:23:10 PM
He can learn the positioning stuff, the reactions have to be natural. Some good saves today.

Learn?!

He's 27 - we should be buying the finished article when you pick up a 27 yo.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: villan from luton on August 25, 2018, 10:26:19 PM
He can learn the positioning stuff, the reactions have to be natural. Some good saves today.

Learn?!

He's 27 - we should be buying the finished article when you pick up a 27 yo.

He was excellent today, give the guy a chance
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 25, 2018, 10:55:24 PM
Indeed, some people seem desperate to tear him down and ignore the fact that heís already settling and doing a good job.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 25, 2018, 11:12:43 PM
He deserved comments saying he looked iffy, he now deserves comments saying he's made some cracking saves.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 25, 2018, 11:16:54 PM
Great reactions, his kicking was also a lot better today.

I still think he's iffy off his line. Did Chester expect him to come for the ball which lead to the hesitation in build up to penalty?

He also stays rooted to his line for corners. Mind you Jonstone was pretty similar.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 25, 2018, 11:24:39 PM
Johnstone is now getting pelters from the smethwick fans yet we know how he started with us and how good he was in the end.  But he still had the occasional ricket in him - see Fulham away.  This guy has started very similarly.  If there is such a word.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Colhint on August 26, 2018, 12:07:51 AM
He can learn the positioning stuff, the reactions have to be natural. Some good saves today.

Learn?!

He's 27 - we should be buying the finished article when you pick up a 27 yo.

But don't they cost about £70m at the going rate
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: West Derby Villan on August 26, 2018, 12:18:30 AM
That double save today sent murmurs around the ground not heard in these parts since Bozzy, the boy is finding his feet !
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Ads on August 27, 2018, 09:55:15 AM
He doesn't have a lot to do but is increasingly looking the part.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Risso on August 27, 2018, 10:02:33 AM
He can learn the positioning stuff, the reactions have to be natural. Some good saves today.

Learn?!

He's 27 - we should be buying the finished article when you pick up a 27 yo.

But don't they cost about £70m at the going rate

If you want to buy the world's very best, then yes.  Nyland has only played for very small teams up until now.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 27, 2018, 01:02:56 PM
Heís starting to look good and gaining increasing confidence.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: WarszaVillan82 on August 27, 2018, 03:59:53 PM
I was sitting in the upper Holte when he made those saves. Noone around us could work out how the ball did not go in the net, it was only when I watched a replay that I could see what happened. It was an incredible save the first one
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Mortimer's Bear on August 27, 2018, 04:04:19 PM
He should have held it if you ask me.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: dcdavecollett on August 27, 2018, 11:30:46 PM
You are Ron Atkinson and I claim my ten pounds!
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Ad@m on August 28, 2018, 06:27:42 AM
He deserved comments saying he looked iffy, he now deserves comments saying he's made some cracking saves.

This.

His double save, as it turned out, won us a point so credit for that.

His fear of coming off his line is a worry though. Reading picked up on that and started swinging crosses and corners in ever closer to the goal line because they knew he wouldn't come for it. That means the defence has to attack them while they're running back towards goal which makes it considerably more difficult to deal with.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Mortimer's Bear on August 28, 2018, 08:49:07 AM
He deserved comments saying he looked iffy, he now deserves comments saying he's made some cracking saves.

This.

His double save, as it turned out, won us a point so credit for that.

His fear of coming off his line is a worry though. Reading picked up on that and started swinging crosses and corners in ever closer to the goal line because they knew he wouldn't come for it. That means the defence has to attack them while they're running back towards goal which makes it considerably more difficult to deal with.

Its when he does come off his line that worries me. He looks so erratic when attempting to punch the ball, its as if he changes his mind at the very last second.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: darren woolley on August 28, 2018, 09:02:58 AM
I like him I think he will get better the more he adapts to our league.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: paul_e on August 28, 2018, 10:31:29 AM
He deserved comments saying he looked iffy, he now deserves comments saying he's made some cracking saves.

This.

His double save, as it turned out, won us a point so credit for that.

His fear of coming off his line is a worry though. Reading picked up on that and started swinging crosses and corners in ever closer to the goal line because they knew he wouldn't come for it. That means the defence has to attack them while they're running back towards goal which makes it considerably more difficult to deal with.

I'd put this down to not being sure about the players in front of him. The one against Ipswich has probably played on his mind so he's leaving those for the defenders to deal with for now.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: West Derby Villan on August 28, 2018, 06:38:56 PM
I like him I think he will get better the more he adapts to our league.

Agree, he gets better every match which is commendable in such a tough and competitive league
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Brassneck on September 01, 2018, 07:32:09 PM
Anyone know if there are any out of contract keepers available?

Or shall we all keep kidding ourselves that this bloke is a good keeper and that Bruce is a good manager?
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: curiousorange on September 01, 2018, 07:35:20 PM
Anyone know if there are any out of contract keepers available?

Or shall we all keep kidding ourselves that this bloke is a good keeper and that Bruce is a good manager?

I don't think he's particularly good, but an inexperienced goalkeeper behind that poppadom defence? No wonder the guy doesn't know whether he's coming or going.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Villafirst on September 01, 2018, 07:36:10 PM
Shouldn't have binned Steer so hastily! He was good in the Hull game...
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 01, 2018, 07:37:52 PM
Anyone will struggle behind that defence.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 01, 2018, 07:38:27 PM
I agree that the defence would give any keep kittens but he's not inexperienced. He's 28 in less than 2 weeks and has played 27 times for Norway and over 200 club games.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: QuintonVilla on September 01, 2018, 07:41:03 PM
He's shit
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on September 01, 2018, 07:41:35 PM
Getting beaten at the near post from a free kick like that is pretty hard to excuse, and Id fault him for the fourth goal too with the throw to El Ghazi who was double marked, although at least he was trying something with the last one
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: curiousorange on September 01, 2018, 07:42:00 PM
The Championship is no place for meek keepers.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: aj2k77 on September 01, 2018, 07:51:32 PM
He's fucking crap, the fact Bruce tracked him for 4 years tells you all you need to know about that fat sack of Kebabs.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: PeterWithe on September 01, 2018, 08:04:20 PM
As well as the obvious ones I thought he should have done better for the second as well

He could get better, heíll need to, at the moment id bin him. Who scouted this clown?
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: adrenachrome on September 01, 2018, 08:15:10 PM
The Championship is no place for meek keepers.

Too fucking true. Watched Leeds v Boro last night. Imagine the havoc those burly bastards  will wreak. A ghastly prospect.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: aj2k77 on September 01, 2018, 08:17:12 PM
He's that poor I'd even consider Bunn.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Brassneck on September 01, 2018, 08:17:42 PM
The Championship is no place for meek keepers.

Too fucking true. Watched Leeds v Boro last night. Imagine the havoc those burly bastards  will wreak. A ghastly prospect.

We said the same today.  A frightening prospect.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Villa in Denmark on September 01, 2018, 09:04:47 PM
He's fucking crap, the fact Bruce tracked him for 4 years tells you all you need to know about that fat sack of Kebabs.

Do you really believe he'd been tracking Nyland for 4 years? 4 hours should have been enough to put anyone sensible off.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: achilles on September 01, 2018, 09:29:06 PM
He's that poor I'd even consider Bunn.

That thought occurred to me as well, he couldn't be worse, could he?
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2018, 10:08:01 PM
He's that poor I'd even consider Bunn.


Id have spink
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: OzVilla on September 01, 2018, 10:27:16 PM
This is a massive problem now. To stand a chance of finishing top 6 your keeper must be solid and actually win you points. This guy looks about as solid as a trifle.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: brontebilly on September 01, 2018, 10:53:22 PM
He looks a rabbit stuck in the headlights.

Utterly mental getting rid of Steer and bringing in two clowns as keepers.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: sickbeggar on September 01, 2018, 10:54:34 PM
Lets be honest, he saved about 4. Anyone's gonna struggle when the opposition run though your midfield and defence at will
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: OzVilla on September 01, 2018, 11:24:07 PM
He must be low on confidence and our defence doesnít help at all (totally down to Bruce) but heís been at fault on way too many occasions in his first few matches already. He needs to shape up quickly or heís gone.







Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: mr underhill on September 02, 2018, 03:34:40 PM
I thought the other geezer looked marginally more competent tbh. The obvious answer to to try and get Steer back from Charlton.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on September 02, 2018, 03:44:32 PM
I watched the other keeper during the warm up, the only shot I saw him save he parried it straight back to Grealish who put it in an empty net. Weíd probably concede twice as many if we played both keepers.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: PeterWithe on September 02, 2018, 06:14:08 PM
Nyland reminds me of Enkleman after the St Andrews unpleasantness.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: QuintonVilla on September 02, 2018, 06:51:59 PM
Nyland reminds me of Enkleman after the St Andrews unpleasantness.
This lad is going to drop a bollock against Small Heath, you can call it now. Especially after we all took the piss about them signing Lee Camp.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Edvard Remberg on September 02, 2018, 07:09:07 PM
Pretty sure it will help to flogg him
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: KevinGage on September 02, 2018, 09:24:30 PM
Any half decent keepers still out of contract?

Just seen the goals now, this guy is mince.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on September 02, 2018, 09:45:32 PM
I thought the other geezer looked marginally more competent tbh. The obvious answer to to try and get Steer back from Charlton.

Even if his loan contract has a recall clause, that can't be exercised until the January window anyway
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: PeterWithe on September 02, 2018, 10:46:02 PM
Iíve not seen the replays, i canít face them, but at the game I thought he should have come and punched the first one, got down quicker to save the second, less said about the third the better. The last one Iíd lay more blame on the winger for shitting out of the tackle rather than his throw but he should have released it earlier.

Like Enkleman, there is nothing wrong with his reflexes but when he has time to think about stuff, we have a major problem.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: mr underhill on September 03, 2018, 07:18:10 AM
Was Bruce tracking a different Nyland for four years? This fella looks better suited to modelling to me.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Oscar Arce on September 03, 2018, 09:57:26 AM
You just have to put the ball in the six yard box and it's a goal, he's absolutely useless.
Where is the sense in binning Steer and signing two circus act goalkeepers?
Another epic Bruce failure and this guy has already written the headlines for the Small Heath game when he throws another one in his own net like the third one Saturday.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Mortimer's Bear on September 03, 2018, 11:13:59 AM
Nyland reminds me of Enkleman after the St Andrews unpleasantness.
This lad is going to drop a bollock against Small Heath, you can call it now. Especially after we all took the piss about them signing Lee Camp.

Why oh why have you said this? I can now think of nothing else...
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Mister E on September 03, 2018, 11:58:49 AM
On Saturday,  it seemed to me that the Sheff team were quite aware of this weakness in goal and at LB.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: RussellC on September 03, 2018, 12:04:35 PM
And Steer's still sitting on the bench at Charlton. Crazy situation all round..
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Duncan Shaw on September 03, 2018, 12:34:16 PM
On Saturday,  it seemed to me that the Sheff team were quite aware of this weakness in goal and at LB.
And RB, CDM and CB.........
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Drummond on September 03, 2018, 04:09:16 PM
That's because their manager has a clue. Has a plan. Coaches the players. Motivates the team. Gives a shit.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: LeeB on September 03, 2018, 04:16:58 PM
That's because their manager has a clue. Has a plan. Coaches the players. Motivates the team. Gives a shit.

Their manager impresses me a lot, he' s done a great job.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Edvard Remberg on September 03, 2018, 04:35:05 PM
That's because their manager has a clue. Has a plan. Coaches the players. Motivates the team. Gives a shit.
This must infuriate the players more than us - SB probably gives them a paper on Thursday saying "play like you did last week", while the others look at gaps and finds way to gain advantage.

I think the younger generation of managers, that actually look at every piece of the game, are the way forward. I see some of the managers in the Bundesliga in their thirties getting clubs to perform very well (e.g. Hoffenheim). I wan't that for our club, not another dinosaur
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: PeterWithe on September 03, 2018, 07:56:31 PM
He should have come for the first one, fella was only six yards out when he headed it in.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Newby on September 03, 2018, 08:02:42 PM
That's because their manager has a clue. Has a plan. Coaches the players. Motivates the team. Gives a shit.

Their manager impresses me a lot, he' s done a great job.

He's one of a few of them who have done well wherever they've been.  Parkinson, Smith, Hughton, Wilder all solid enough.  Hughton is very good.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Edvard Remberg on September 03, 2018, 08:46:58 PM
He should have come for the first one, fella was only six yards out when he headed it in.
It was a set piece from 35 yards back up over the defence, not from the side, in a crowded box
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: dcdavecollett on September 03, 2018, 11:21:24 PM
When you know full well that the 'keeper is going to stick to his line, any good side is going to pile the crosses in.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: tomd2103 on September 03, 2018, 11:28:28 PM
He should have come for the first one, fella was only six yards out when he headed it in.

Honestly not sure about that as the ball was whipped in and there were a lot of bodies in there, which would suggest the defence was too deep.  The second and the third in particular were poor though.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 04, 2018, 12:12:00 PM
If Terry does come back and Nyland is the same then we have a serious problem. As it is it cannot be easy coming into a situation where 3 of your back four are out of position, lacking confidence and completely disorganized. Let's see what happens after a few games if Terry returns. Hopefully his confidence goes up by having a more settled situation in front of him.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: RussellC on September 04, 2018, 12:27:29 PM
To be honest, I think one of the areas that Terry was somewhat underwhelming last season was in organising the defence at set-pieces. We conceeded a number of goals, particularly from corners, where the defending was nothing less than shambolic.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 04, 2018, 01:13:02 PM
After Ipswich he doesn't know what to come for and what not to.  You'd think that coaching to this effect would be happening.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: brian green on September 04, 2018, 01:47:37 PM
No end of coaching ever cured Burridge of goal line residency.  Short of somebody in the Holte Lower jabbing him up the arse with an electric cattle prod nothing would budge him.  No nameism intended.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: nigel on September 04, 2018, 02:44:14 PM
No end of coaching ever cured Burridge of goal line residency.  Short of somebody in the Holte Lower jabbing him up the arse with an electric cattle prod nothing would budge him.  No nameism intended.

I think with Burridge only being around 5'8" which, even back then, was particularly short for a keeper.

Good at hand stands, though  ;D 
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: oldtimernow on September 04, 2018, 02:53:09 PM
No end of coaching ever cured Burridge of goal line residency.  Short of somebody in the Holte Lower jabbing him up the arse with an electric cattle prod nothing would budge him.  No nameism intended.

wasn't known as Budgie for no reason was he Brian, thought of his goaline as his perch.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: john e on September 05, 2018, 04:41:25 PM
No end of coaching ever cured Burridge of goal line residency.  Short of somebody in the Holte Lower jabbing him up the arse with an electric cattle prod nothing would budge him.  No nameism intended.

wasn't known as Budgie for no reason was he Brian, thought of his goaline as his perch.

I still loved him though
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: dave shelley on September 05, 2018, 04:50:27 PM
No end of coaching ever cured Burridge of goal line residency.  Short of somebody in the Holte Lower jabbing him up the arse with an electric cattle prod nothing would budge him.  No nameism intended.

wasn't known as Budgie for no reason was he Brian, thought of his goaline as his perch.

I still loved him though

Me too, mad as a bag of frogs.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: oldtimernow on September 05, 2018, 04:55:58 PM
It was heart in the mouth stuff at times but he brought some sunny times too.....loved him as well
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: old man villa fan on September 05, 2018, 08:18:36 PM
No end of coaching ever cured Burridge of goal line residency.  Short of somebody in the Holte Lower jabbing him up the arse with an electric cattle prod nothing would budge him.  No nameism intended.

wasn't known as Budgie for no reason was he Brian, thought of his goaline as his perch.

Thought the crossbar was his perch!
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: john e on September 05, 2018, 09:03:38 PM
No end of coaching ever cured Burridge of goal line residency.  Short of somebody in the Holte Lower jabbing him up the arse with an electric cattle prod nothing would budge him.  No nameism intended.

wasn't known as Budgie for no reason was he Brian, thought of his goaline as his perch.

I still loved him though

Me too, mad as a bag of frogs.


I follow him on Twitter,
he's still pretty fit and still a bit mad
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on September 05, 2018, 10:05:53 PM
No end of coaching ever cured Burridge of goal line residency.  Short of somebody in the Holte Lower jabbing him up the arse with an electric cattle prod nothing would budge him.  No nameism intended.


wasn't known as Budgie for no reason was he Brian, thought of his goaline as his perch.

I still loved him though

Sat next to him in the NOrth Stand c1990ish, he hadn't got much good to say about Ron Saunders,but mostly his gripe seemed to be that in preseason Ron made his goalkeepers run up hills and stuff. Was a bit of a character !
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: eamonn on September 05, 2018, 10:23:43 PM
Was Budgie's book any good?
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: tomd2103 on September 06, 2018, 08:50:08 AM
No end of coaching ever cured Burridge of goal line residency.  Short of somebody in the Holte Lower jabbing him up the arse with an electric cattle prod nothing would budge him.  No nameism intended.

wasn't known as Budgie for no reason was he Brian, thought of his goaline as his perch.

I still loved him though

Me too, mad as a bag of frogs.


I follow him on Twitter,
he's still pretty fit and still a bit mad

Read a story about him which took place at an away game at Leeds (think he might have been at Newcastle at the time).  It was when Vinnie Jones was at Leeds and apparently when the away team turned up, Jones made a show of being in the gym lifting  weights to Rocky music.  The story goes that Burridge went up and said "get out the way son", added a few more weights to the bar and began lifting away.  He apparently then got up and said "go on then" to Jones, who declined the kind offer and made a swift exit.   
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: TheMalandro on September 06, 2018, 10:27:37 AM
Was Budgie's book any good?

It was a real triller.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Hookeysmith on September 06, 2018, 01:52:28 PM
Last I heard he was actually still playing - I Thailand I think

He would still be better than wooden hands who we have at the moment
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: mr underhill on September 06, 2018, 04:56:57 PM
He might as well play in oven mitts. Thing is, what do we do with him? Sacking him off now could destroy the guy's confidence forever but right now I don't think we can take the risk of playing him. He's shit, but I's feel marginally more confident with Bunn in goal.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: nigel on September 06, 2018, 09:30:42 PM

Can't believe what I'm reading here.
Yes, he's had a bit of a topsy turvy start to his Villa career, but, I'm convinced a lot is down to the shambles that's in front of him.
You don't get to play 27 times for Norway, who are a decent international team, if you're not very good.
To say he's 'shit' is a complete over reaction.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: SheffieldVillain on September 07, 2018, 12:37:37 AM

Can't believe what I'm reading here.
Yes, he's had a bit of a topsy turvy start to his Villa career, but, I'm convinced a lot is down to the shambles that's in front of him.
You don't get to play 27 times for Norway, who are a decent international team, if you're not very good.
To say he's 'shit' is a complete over reaction.

You may be right that he turns out to be better than we think now but Norway haven't qualified for a major tournament in 18 years and finished just above Azerbaijan in the last qualifiers. I'm not sure his caps for them are the best guarantee of his quality.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: nigel on September 07, 2018, 07:28:51 AM

Can't believe what I'm reading here.
Yes, he's had a bit of a topsy turvy start to his Villa career, but, I'm convinced a lot is down to the shambles that's in front of him.
You don't get to play 27 times for Norway, who are a decent international team, if you're not very good.
To say he's 'shit' is a complete over reaction.

You may be right that he turns out to be better than we think now but Norway haven't qualified for a major tournament in 18 years and finished just above Azerbaijan in the last qualifiers. I'm not sure his caps for them are the best guarantee of his quality.

Fair points and I agree to a certain point, but, if it had been 5 or 6 caps then it could be a case of 'You've had your chance, sorry, you're not up to it', but, when you're in the 20s you must have something going for you.

Maybe it's because,  years ago,  I played in goal that I get defensive. Played behind both a crap defence and a good one. The pressure to not make the slightest error behind the crap defence in high as you know, come what may, you'll get the blame
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on September 07, 2018, 07:56:10 AM

Can't believe what I'm reading here.
Yes, he's had a bit of a topsy turvy start to his Villa career, but, I'm convinced a lot is down to the shambles that's in front of him.
You don't get to play 27 times for Norway, who are a decent international team, if you're not very good.
To say he's 'shit' is a complete over reaction.

It's maybe not the yardstick that it was in the past; Neil Taylor has 41 caps.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: nigel on September 07, 2018, 08:46:07 AM

Can't believe what I'm reading here.
Yes, he's had a bit of a topsy turvy start to his Villa career, but, I'm convinced a lot is down to the shambles that's in front of him.
You don't get to play 27 times for Norway, who are a decent international team, if you're not very good.
To say he's 'shit' is a complete over reaction.

It's maybe not the yardstick that it was in the past; Neil Taylor has 41 caps.

On Villa form, certainly  ;D
I do recall people on this site saying what a great signing he was at the time, though.



Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 20, 2018, 05:00:45 PM
Absolutely superb today
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: GarTomas on October 20, 2018, 05:09:28 PM
Kicking ironically looks better when heís under pressure.

Likes to hug the line on corners but that can be worked on.

Superb shot stopper.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 20, 2018, 05:12:52 PM
Illustrative of just what a poor job Bruce was doing.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: mcgrath_85 on October 20, 2018, 05:14:55 PM
Fair play to him. Maybe having a balanced defence in front of him helped a little. He showed that heís a decent stopper though.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: wittonwarrior on October 20, 2018, 05:35:31 PM
Good second half
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: West Derby Villan on October 20, 2018, 07:11:36 PM
Very good performance. I did notice that his colleagues didn't congratulate or applaud him in recognition of his second half saves, which I thought odd as he certainly deserved a slap on the back for his last 2 stops.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: FatSam on October 20, 2018, 08:33:45 PM
Illustrative of just what a poor job Bruce was doing.

Iím no Bruce apologist, but this guy has been on international duty with Norway, so itís a bit of a stretch to suggest that his performance today is a result of coaching he has received in the last couple of days isnít it?
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: olaftab on October 20, 2018, 08:38:49 PM
Illustrative of just what a poor job Bruce was doing.

Iím no Bruce apologist, but this guy has been on international duty with Norway, so itís a bit of a stretch to suggest that his performance today is a result of coaching he has received in the last couple of days isnít it?
Yes but you are spoiling the narrative that we want/need on here. ;)
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: paul_e on October 20, 2018, 08:58:02 PM
Illustrative of just what a poor job Bruce was doing.

Iím no Bruce apologist, but this guy has been on international duty with Norway, so itís a bit of a stretch to suggest that his performance today is a result of coaching he has received in the last couple of days isnít it?

Well it sort of is, for 2 weeks he's had National team and the new coaches, so 2 weeks of not seeing any of the useless fucks we had before.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 20, 2018, 09:08:09 PM
Illustrative of just what a poor job Bruce was doing.

Iím no Bruce apologist, but this guy has been on international duty with Norway, so itís a bit of a stretch to suggest that his performance today is a result of coaching he has received in the last couple of days isnít it?

More that you can see the confidence of having a coherent defence in front of him.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: CT on October 20, 2018, 09:32:45 PM
Made some good stops today, so fair play to him.

I have to be honest, he just doesn't instill any confidence in me at all.

Onwards and upwards eh?!
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: tomd2103 on October 20, 2018, 09:40:34 PM
Good second half

What was he doing with that one in the first half that went out for a corner? I was sat in the North Stand so couldn't quite make out what happened, but it looked like he slid for ball that was going well wide and just spilled it.  Made some important saves in the game, but as Dean Smith said in his post match interview, they were saves you would expect a keeper at this level to make.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: The Moose on October 20, 2018, 09:57:34 PM
It came off a Villa player so was a corner anyway.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 20, 2018, 10:05:29 PM
Good second half

What was he doing with that one in the first half that went out for a corner? I was sat in the North Stand so couldn't quite make out what happened, but it looked like he slid for ball that was going well wide and just spilled it.  Made some important saves in the game, but as Dean Smith said in his post match interview, they were saves you would expect a keeper at this level to make.

He was trying to keep it in play as it was going out for a corner. Nothing he did wrong.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: LeeB on October 20, 2018, 10:07:52 PM
Good second half

What was he doing with that one in the first half that went out for a corner? I was sat in the North Stand so couldn't quite make out what happened, but it looked like he slid for ball that was going well wide and just spilled it.  Made some important saves in the game, but as Dean Smith said in his post match interview, they were saves you would expect a keeper at this level to make.

He was trying to keep it in play as it was going out for a corner. Nothing he did wrong.

That's what I saw, but nobody I went with did, they just thought he was being shite.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: tomd2103 on October 20, 2018, 10:11:16 PM
Good second half

What was he doing with that one in the first half that went out for a corner? I was sat in the North Stand so couldn't quite make out what happened, but it looked like he slid for ball that was going well wide and just spilled it.  Made some important saves in the game, but as Dean Smith said in his post match interview, they were saves you would expect a keeper at this level to make.

He was trying to keep it in play as it was going out for a corner. Nothing he did wrong.

Ah right.  It is a bit hard to tell sometimes what is going on up the other end of the pitch and it just looked a bit unnecessary watching it live.  Hopefully he can gain real confidence from today to take forward.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: villan from luton on October 20, 2018, 10:15:29 PM
I was in the hole and didn't see a deflection tbh, but said to the lad he must have thought there had been. Only explanation I could think.

Decent game today, needs to be more commanding off his line, but good shot stopper and hope he gains confidence from the saves
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: walsall villain on October 20, 2018, 10:19:08 PM
Good second half

What was he doing with that one in the first half that went out for a corner? I was sat in the North Stand so couldn't quite make out what happened, but it looked like he slid for ball that was going well wide and just spilled it.  Made some important saves in the game, but as Dean Smith said in his post match interview, they were saves you would expect a keeper at this level to make.

He was trying to keep it in play as it was going out for a corner. Nothing he did wrong.

That's what I saw, but nobody I went with did, they just thought he was being shite.
I wondered what he was thinking, didnít see the deflection. That explains what I thought was a mad moment.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Ad@m on October 20, 2018, 10:28:59 PM
I didn't see a deflection either - and I was in the Lower Holte.  If anything, it would've clipped the striker who was running across it.  Thankfully it didn't cost us.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: vilan461 on October 20, 2018, 10:36:40 PM
I reckon he had a good game probably his best to date---and is this our first clean sheet in the league? if so should be a great confidence booster.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: FatSam on October 20, 2018, 10:38:48 PM
More that you can see the confidence of having a coherent defence in front of him.
Fair point.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: hipkiss92 on October 20, 2018, 10:41:30 PM
The referee indicated it would have been a corner even if Nyland hadnít touched it
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: villan from luton on October 20, 2018, 10:46:13 PM
The referee indicated it would have been a corner even if Nyland hadnít touched it

Judging by the referees overall performance, that doesn't mean there was a deflection lol
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: West Derby Villan on October 20, 2018, 11:00:56 PM
The referee indicated it would have been a corner even if Nyland hadnít touched it

Judging by the referees overall performance, that doesn't mean there was a deflection lol

I thought the ref was ok, at least he was consistent
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 20, 2018, 11:36:54 PM
I was in the hole and didn't see a deflection tbh, but said to the lad he must have thought there had been. Only explanation I could think.

Decent game today, needs to be more commanding off his line, but good shot stopper and hope he gains confidence from the saves

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Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Ad@m on October 21, 2018, 12:02:29 AM
Any excuse to get the Mick McCarthy gif out!
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: West Derby Villan on October 21, 2018, 12:30:50 AM
Any excuse to get the Mick McCarthy gif out!
Oh yeah
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: villan from luton on October 21, 2018, 01:08:06 AM
The referee indicated it would have been a corner even if Nyland hadnít touched it

Judging by the referees overall performance, that doesn't mean there was a deflection lol

I thought the ref was ok, at least he was consistent

I respect your opinion, just thought he was poor throughout. The challenge on jack first half was very poor from where i was and never got a foul. Absurd.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: nodge on October 21, 2018, 02:17:49 AM
Good second half

What was he doing with that one in the first half that went out for a corner? I was sat in the North Stand so couldn't quite make out what happened, but it looked like he slid for ball that was going well wide and just spilled it.  Made some important saves in the game, but as Dean Smith said in his post match interview, they were saves you would expect a keeper at this level to make.

He was trying to keep it in play as it was going out for a corner. Nothing he did wrong.

That's what I saw, but nobody I went with did, they just thought he was being shite.
I wondered what he was thinking, didnít see the deflection. That explains what I thought was a mad moment.

Wish I hadn't given him a round of fucks from the North Stand now.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Bren'd on October 21, 2018, 07:14:50 AM
I didn't see a deflection either - and I was in the Lower Holte.  If anything, it would've clipped the striker who was running across it.  Thankfully it didn't cost us.

It was a deflection. Not only did I see it I heard it.

He had a very good game today.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Dave P on October 21, 2018, 07:15:48 AM
It came off a Villa player so was a corner anyway.

Absolute this. I had a great view from the North Upper and he was trying to prevent a corner.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Matt Collins on October 21, 2018, 07:36:52 AM
They were all competent rather than spectacular saves

Still pleased for him though
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Tony Erdington on October 21, 2018, 07:37:50 AM
his best game thus
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: darren woolley on October 21, 2018, 02:10:19 PM
I have to agree yesterday was his best game so far some of those saves he made were brilliant.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Des Little on October 21, 2018, 02:16:03 PM
Man of the match for me. Let's hope he continues to grow in confidence, and the defence does its bit to help.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Zouch Villa on October 21, 2018, 02:19:26 PM
Having an organised defence with players in the positions they are best at must help.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: TheMalandro on October 23, 2018, 09:58:31 PM
Time he's rested, for good. He's not a goalkeeper.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: manic-road on October 23, 2018, 10:00:42 PM
Time he's rested, for good. He's not a goalkeeper.

Id love us to get Tom Heaton from Burnley, a keeper who commands his box and a great shot stopper. Poor on the corner tonight which led to the equaliser.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: aj2k77 on October 23, 2018, 10:01:32 PM
He's shit, looked shit in his first couple of games. Looks just as shit now. Bruce must have scouted him during a night on the Kebabs and Fosters. There's nothing I see in him that makes me think we will get to a point where we aren't worried he's going to drop us in the shit everytime the ball goes near him.

Money down the shitter.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: PeterWithe on October 23, 2018, 10:03:45 PM
Harsh but closer to the truth than it should be.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: TheMalandro on October 23, 2018, 10:36:01 PM
Bring back the Finnish Niles Crane.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: aj2k77 on October 23, 2018, 10:38:26 PM
He's also got one of those feckless, sheepish, gorm faces when picking the ball out of the net which is always the sign of a shite goalkeeper to me.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on October 23, 2018, 10:43:08 PM
And you just know he is likely to throw one into the net against SHA.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: brontebilly on October 23, 2018, 10:52:48 PM
Gollini part 2

We had the best keeper in the division by miles last season.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: The_ads on October 23, 2018, 10:54:03 PM
I think we could put a hologram in goal and Iíd feel more reassured
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: saunders_heroes on October 23, 2018, 10:55:35 PM
Where the hell did we dig up that useless lump from?
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on October 23, 2018, 10:56:09 PM
The bench of a German second division club.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on October 23, 2018, 11:02:28 PM
As someone said when he was signed how many 27 year old decent keepers are still playing or not as in his case in the German 2nd division.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Villafirst on October 23, 2018, 11:04:01 PM
Great decision by Bruce to push Jed Steer out on loan. This club will take some turning round. Dean Smith has a big task on his hands.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: The_ads on October 23, 2018, 11:05:54 PM
This kid is highly rated and will come good. The defence in front of him didnít help. Heís just joined, hasnít developed any chemistry with the other players yet. That will come and he will win us points.


Nope
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: OzVilla on October 23, 2018, 11:38:17 PM
Forget promotion with this lad in goal, costs us too many points. Not his fault as should never have been purchased by a lazy manager. Heís nowhere near good enough.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: FatSam on October 24, 2018, 12:18:40 AM
An experienced, reliable keeper with a bit of presence would have been nice. Ruddy was a good signing for Wolves last year. I would have been happy with Krul, if the takeover had gone through a bit earlier in the summer. I agree that Heaton would be a great signing - difficult to see how Dyche can keep three keepers happy at the same time.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 24, 2018, 03:30:55 AM
This kid is highly rated and will come good. The defence in front of him didnít help. Heís just joined, hasnít developed any chemistry with the other players yet. That will come and he will win us points.


Nope

He still has a calamity defence in front of him. The worst full backs in the division, and two decent CBís.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: OzVilla on October 24, 2018, 03:48:12 AM
Sorry TV. You can still have a poor defence and still not make the mistakes he does. Handling, distribution, decision making all suspect. A decent shot stopper but thatís the minimum Iíd expect from an Aston Villa goalkeeper. The benefit of the doubt has long gone now. Heís a real problem.

Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: mr underhill on October 24, 2018, 05:28:59 AM
Please return to Scandinavia and forge a career as a male model/porno star. Beautiful bone structure but no footballer.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Brassneck on November 10, 2018, 06:13:17 PM
To say Iím not a fan of this bloke is a massive understatement.

However, he was excellent today.  Long may it continue.....Or at least until January when we can get a replacement in.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 10, 2018, 06:14:43 PM
By January we wonít need to replace him. Heíll have improved massively by then down to dedicated coaching and confidence in us winning.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Brassneck on November 10, 2018, 06:17:55 PM
Iím not convinced that itís that simple but he deserves the plaudits today for every aspect of his game.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: godzvilla on November 10, 2018, 08:21:36 PM
Impressive all round , today and made one particularly brilliant save   Of course he could play like Yashin for the rest of the season but he will never please those  nay sayers on this site who desperately need someone  to aim their SARCASTIC & misguided, vitriol ,at........Godzvilla!
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Brassneck on November 10, 2018, 08:38:27 PM
I don't think that many of us have dished out vitroil or need a scapegoat.  I think it's more that we just don't rate him.

If we don't wish to improve the team and are happy to stagnate, there is no point in us looking at the transfer windows.  if we do wish to improve, then this is a position that we could and should definitely improve on.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 10, 2018, 08:45:59 PM
Anyone that thinks any player that has a blinding rest of the season is going to be criticised needs to lay off the crack pipe.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on November 10, 2018, 08:52:16 PM
I think having a settled back four in front of him is starting to help, and he is gradually improving.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 10, 2018, 08:58:58 PM
Not having Jedi as a CB in front of him is probably the biggest reason. Can't be a coincidence that we've had 3 clean sheets in 5 games under Smith and only had 2 in 13 when it was Bruce bodging it together.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Mister E on November 10, 2018, 09:04:09 PM
Nyland was pretty faultless today; a couple of dodgy kicks but - otherwise - he looked like a proper keeper.
Long may it continue.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: JUAN PABLO on November 10, 2018, 09:24:26 PM
talking of Jedi .. Not sure we will see him again in the starting 11 even if chester or axel get injured
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Three Spires Villa on November 10, 2018, 09:25:26 PM
Impressive all round , today and made one particularly brilliant save   Of course he could play like Yashin for the rest of the season but he will never please those  nay sayers on this site who desperately need someone  to aim their SARCASTIC & misguided, vitriol ,at........Godzvilla!

Blimey! I have said he was poor, when he has been poor, but he played well today, so well done.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 10, 2018, 09:28:13 PM
Been a big critic but had a good game today. Hopefully Cutler working on him in the way is calming his nerves.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 10, 2018, 10:44:59 PM
Not having Jedi as a CB in front of him is probably the biggest reason. Can't be a coincidence that we've had 3 clean sheets in 5 games under Smith and only had 2 in 13 when it was Bruce bodging it together.

It'd stunning when you think about it. Smith has taken players who are recognized for a certain task in the position they will be best suited. I mean, who the fuck would have thought shoehorning a career midfielder into CB would cause issues, or a player who plays CB all the time as a RB? Or an AM at LW or allowing a player who's barely scored a goal in years to take a critical penalty?

Actually, ta for the last one...
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on November 11, 2018, 12:02:33 AM
Not having Jedi as a CB in front of him is probably the biggest reason. Can't be a coincidence that we've had 3 clean sheets in 5 games under Smith and only had 2 in 13 when it was Bruce bodging it together.

And with Mr Terry involved?
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: LeeB on November 11, 2018, 12:13:58 AM
He's also got one of those feckless, sheepish, gorm faces when picking the ball out of the net which is always the sign of a shite goalkeeper to me.

Fuck me, I'm willing to give him a chance bit you've absolutely nailed that feeling of unease
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Ads on November 11, 2018, 07:32:30 AM
Much improved. Even his one dodgy kick turned out to be a brilliant ball for Jack.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 11, 2018, 03:09:31 PM
Interesting that after his one really challenging save how many of the other players came over to congratulate him. Itís clear that the other players are aware of the criticism and are willing to gather around him to motivate and help him.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: LeeB on November 11, 2018, 06:01:33 PM
Interesting that after his one really challenging save how many of the other players came over to congratulate him. Itís clear that the other players are aware of the criticism and are willing to gather around him to motivate and help him.

I noticed that and thought it was great to see.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: frank black on November 11, 2018, 07:36:57 PM
Impressive all round , today and made one particularly brilliant save   Of course he could play like Yashin for the rest of the season but he will never please those  nay sayers on this site who desperately need someone  to aim their SARCASTIC & misguided, vitriol ,at........Godzvilla!

One Swallow and all that.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: themossman on November 11, 2018, 07:56:25 PM
Itís not just one swallow though. Heís a really funny one - very good and very bad performances. Not often you get that with a keeper of his age, which is young in keeper terms but heís not exactly learning his trade.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: frank black on November 11, 2018, 08:45:49 PM
Itís not just one swallow though. Heís a really funny one - very good and very bad performances. Not often you get that with a keeper of his age, which is young in keeper terms but heís not exactly learning his trade.

David James
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Gareth on November 12, 2018, 09:27:38 AM
Hopefully he will mirror the progression Johnstone had, he was uneasy for a good period in that first 6 months but was lucky we were out of contention to get towards play offs early so not huge attention paid to it but he got a coupe of clean sheets and settled in nicely for how he played so well last season.

I always wonder if we are unduly harsh on keepers after the Enckelman debacles
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: stevenavfc on November 12, 2018, 09:41:35 AM
Interesting that after his one really challenging save how many of the other players came over to congratulate him. It’s clear that the other players are aware of the criticism and are willing to gather around him to motivate and help him.



Exactly what the fans need to do too. If as a group we protected our players more instead of ripping them to shreds for every mistake who knows what confidence might do for them?
It's not just a Villa thing it happens at most clubs but it doesn't help, how could it?
I just feel that the fans can help to maximise the performance of all the players that are on the pitch. That's the definition of the twelfth man.
Hurl abuse at the POTUS instead and I'm with you. He deserves it.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on November 12, 2018, 09:43:55 AM
I'm sure I've said it before on here but I still think Enckelman can feel a bit hard done by - even now his name is synonymous with one freak incident. Yet in that same fixture in the following seasons Sorensen threw a few into his own net, and these are largely forgotten. Not that I want to recall any of them much, just that there were several absolute howlers in there that were far worse than Enckelman's famous one.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Axl Rose on November 12, 2018, 09:46:33 AM
I'm sure I've said it before on here but I still think Enckelman can feel a bit hard done by - even now his name is synonymous with one freak incident. Yet in that same fixture in the following seasons Sorensen threw a few into his own net, and these are largely forgotten. Not that I want to recall any of them much, just that there were several absolute howlers in there that were far worse than Enckelman's famous one.

He was brilliant in that game against Sunderland when Allback scored the winner.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Risso on November 12, 2018, 09:47:39 AM
I'm sure I've said it before on here but I still think Enckelman can feel a bit hard done by - even now his name is synonymous with one freak incident. Yet in that same fixture in the following seasons Sorensen threw a few into his own net, and these are largely forgotten. Not that I want to recall any of them much, just that there were several absolute howlers in there that were far worse than Enckelman's famous one.

How could anything realsitically be worse than letting the ball roll under your foot aginst your most hated neighbours?  He then followed it up with that hash of a clearance against SHA when they beat us again.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: darren woolley on November 12, 2018, 09:54:56 AM
I'm sure I've said it before on here but I still think Enckelman can feel a bit hard done by - even now his name is synonymous with one freak incident. Yet in that same fixture in the following seasons Sorensen threw a few into his own net, and these are largely forgotten. Not that I want to recall any of them much, just that there were several absolute howlers in there that were far worse than Enckelman's famous one.

How could anything realsitically be worse than letting the ball roll under your foot aginst your most hated neighbours?  He then followed it up with that hash of a clearance against SHA when they beat us again.


And he also got confronted by one of there six finger supporters who he should have Knocked out.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on November 12, 2018, 10:09:22 AM
I'm sure I've said it before on here but I still think Enckelman can feel a bit hard done by - even now his name is synonymous with one freak incident. Yet in that same fixture in the following seasons Sorensen threw a few into his own net, and these are largely forgotten. Not that I want to recall any of them much, just that there were several absolute howlers in there that were far worse than Enckelman's famous one.

How could anything realsitically be worse than letting the ball roll under your foot aginst your most hated neighbours?  He then followed it up with that hash of a clearance against SHA when they beat us again.

You could argue that fumbling a really feeble Heskey shot over the line, as Sorensen did, was worse. It certainly wasn't any better. I'm not saying Enckelman's wasn't an error, I'm just curious that he was never forgiven whereas no one seems to remember Sorensen's catalogue of derby cock-ups. 

I also think Enckelman should be given huge credit for not knocking out that pitch invader. That was almost superhuman restraint under severe provocation. It showed a bit of class and probably saved a full-scale riot.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Duncan Shaw on November 12, 2018, 10:10:02 AM
The main thing Enckleman got wrong once he had missed the ball was not to pick it up and throw it towards the corner flag demonstrably pointing and shouting "corner I never touched it" to the ref.  Classic case of players not knowing the rules!!!  Maybe understandable in the cauldron of hate though.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: fredm on November 12, 2018, 10:22:46 AM
The main thing Enckleman got wrong once he had missed the ball was not to pick it up and throw it towards the corner flag demonstrably pointing and shouting "corner I never touched it" to the ref.  Classic case of players not knowing the rules!!!  Maybe understandable in the cauldron of hate though.

That was the thing. Did he actually touch it? I don't think he did but by his mannerisms he made the refs mind up for him.  If he had calmly picked it up and thrown it out towards the corner it would have meant the ref had to make a decision and then it would have been interesting.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Drummond on November 12, 2018, 10:23:14 AM
That and putting his hands on his head like he'd dropped the biggest howler ever. That was the end rung image and it never left him.

Carson's clanger for England has never left him either.

I prefer to think of Ronny Rosenthal as the guy who missed an open goal rather than any he did score! (and I vividly remember the Villa fans behind the goal giving him the full-on Wanker hand signals).
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Risso on November 12, 2018, 10:33:17 AM
A man goes into a pub in a small town and, for whatever reason, gets introduced to the clientele. Thereís Farmer Jack, Barman Jim, Maurice ďDancerĒ and Sheepshagger John. After a few pints, the visitorís curiosity gets the better of him and he asks John whatís with the nickname.

ďSee this pub?Ē asks John, ďI built it, but they donít call me Pubbuilder John? Iím the local doctor, I saved Barman Jimís life once when he choked on a peanut, but they donít call me Lifesaver John. Every year, I supply a huge Christmas tree for the village green, but the donít call me Christmas Tree John.

ďBut you shag one lousy sheepÖĒ
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: themossman on November 28, 2018, 09:45:34 PM
Dodgy from set plays, canít organise, canít catch, poor shot stopper, dodgy with shots from distance. Anything else?
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: villa_cads on November 28, 2018, 09:47:40 PM
The 5th goal in particular was very poor
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Matt Collins on November 28, 2018, 09:48:10 PM
Bring on January

Bloody hell that last one was right at his near post from a tight angle. Really unforgivable
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: KevinGage on November 28, 2018, 09:50:58 PM
Interesting that after his one really challenging save how many of the other players came over to congratulate him. Itís clear that the other players are aware of the criticism and are willing to gather around him to motivate and help him.



Exactly what the fans need to do too. If as a group we protected our players more instead of ripping them to shreds for every mistake who knows what confidence might do for them?



Yes, because that's how it works.  Fans of other clubs always give confidence to a player utterly out of his depth, so I'm not sure what we're at at all.

We should just accept mediocrity with good grace and come up with some witty songs.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on November 28, 2018, 09:54:59 PM
Did the fifth one deflect in off the defender's toe? It looked like it, though the keeper should probably have had it covered anyway. Even so the attack should never have got that far, it's shocking how easy it was for them to get Grabban that close to goal. Piss poor all round.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: adrenachrome on November 28, 2018, 09:57:02 PM
Gruesomely ghastly.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Matt Collins on November 28, 2018, 09:58:24 PM
Yeah it was deflected but you've got to defend your near post there
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 28, 2018, 10:00:21 PM
Nyland in action

(https://media.giphy.com/media/NWlBEcDW5evFS/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: glinch on November 28, 2018, 10:01:29 PM
Bring on January

Bloody hell that last one was right at his near post from a tight angle. Really unforgivable

Personally I reckon Tuanzebe was at fault for the last goal, he made it too easy for Grabban, shouldn't have let him get a shot in.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: themossman on November 28, 2018, 10:01:39 PM
I shat a brick every time he was on the screen. He scares me.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: taylorsworkrate on November 28, 2018, 10:02:41 PM
Bring on January

Bloody hell that last one was right at his near post from a tight angle. Really unforgivable

Personally I reckon Tuanzebe was at fault for the last goal, he made it too easy for Grabban, shouldn't have let him get a shot in.

Yep agree with that. Poor from Tuanzebe. Though Nyland should still have done better once he got the shot in.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 28, 2018, 10:03:14 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DtHyfzNXgAA-OHY.jpg)
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: VillaLoyal on November 28, 2018, 10:03:29 PM
Tony Pulis will be telling his lads just hoof it at the Villa keeper at the weekend.

You can bet your money on it.

Its not like its just been this game. Its been all season. He makes me nervous anytime it goes near him.

Johnson commanded the box and the defence. Its as much about presence as saving. This Nyland isn't tough enough
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: themossman on November 28, 2018, 10:03:44 PM
Bring on January

Bloody hell that last one was right at his near post from a tight angle. Really unforgivable

Personally I reckon Tuanzebe was at fault for the last goal, he made it too easy for Grabban, shouldn't have let him get a shot in.

The entire defence was poor tonight to be fair. Axelís worst game since heís been back at CB. He almost dropped an absolute bollock pissing about in the second half when he was the last man.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 28, 2018, 10:09:32 PM
Tony Pulis will be telling his lads just hoof it at the Villa keeper at the weekend.

You can bet your money on it.

Its not like its just been this game. Its been all season. He makes me nervous anytime it goes near him.

Johnson commanded the box and the defence. Its as much about presence as saving.

If Pulis does do that then you need to look at yourself and your own attitude for the reasons why. Why shouldn't a cap-wearing, meat-and-potatoes joy-vacuum like Pulis do whatever he wants to a foppish Norwegian ponce? It's YOU who made him do it. YOU.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: brontebilly on November 28, 2018, 10:10:05 PM
Bring on January

Bloody hell that last one was right at his near post from a tight angle. Really unforgivable

Personally I reckon Tuanzebe was at fault for the last goal, he made it too easy for Grabban, shouldn't have let him get a shot in.

Yep agree with that. Poor from Tuanzebe. Though Nyland should still have done better once he got the shot in.

Reasonable keeper still saves that shot all day. Tuanzebe at fault for his woeful positioning to start with and failing to block Grabban's.

Nyland is beyond useless.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Rudy65 on November 28, 2018, 10:17:02 PM
I'm sure I've said it before on here but I still think Enckelman can feel a bit hard done by - even now his name is synonymous with one freak incident. Yet in that same fixture in the following seasons Sorensen threw a few into his own net, and these are largely forgotten. Not that I want to recall any of them much, just that there were several absolute howlers in there that were far worse than Enckelman's famous one.

It was two mistakes. Second one at VP. Mind you even Enckelman wouldnít have conceded 5 tonight
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: themossman on November 28, 2018, 10:17:13 PM
Tony Pulis will be telling his lads just hoof it at the Villa keeper at the weekend.

You can bet your money on it.

Its not like its just been this game. Its been all season. He makes me nervous anytime it goes near him.

Johnson commanded the box and the defence. Its as much about presence as saving. This Nyland isn't tough enough

The saving grace is that we now have a manager who might actually predict Pulis will do this and respond in some way with Ďtacticsí.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on November 28, 2018, 10:26:33 PM
Yeah it was deflected but you've got to defend your near post there

Oh I agree, just wanted confirmation on the deflection. I wasn't defending Nyland - although if I was it'd be the first bit of defending we'd seen all night.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 28, 2018, 11:10:21 PM
He just lets in so many preventable goals. Can argue all night about his reading of the Lolley shot but the fitth one was a joke. Cover his post and he comfortably stops it.

Poor.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Matt Collins on November 28, 2018, 11:12:42 PM
Exactly

It's the really basic nature of some of his mistakes that is a concern
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: themossman on November 28, 2018, 11:19:31 PM
Johnstone won us points regularly, Nyland does the opposite.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: The_ads on November 28, 2018, 11:48:10 PM
Steve Bruce tracked him for 4 years. Say that out loud.

Mental.  What games did he watch?
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 28, 2018, 11:48:39 PM
Steve Bruce tracked him for 4 years. Say that out loud.

Mental.  What games did he watch?

Hunger Games.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: rougegorge on November 28, 2018, 11:56:57 PM
Johnstone won us points regularly, Nyland does the opposite.

This comparison sums it up. He must have cost us at least half a dozen goals or more this season, not to mention the uncertainty he generates in an already frail defence.
I thought Pantilimon was poor as well tonight, but at least he did make a few saves. Nyland regularly dives late but theatrically on shots that are going well wide, but is often static when the ball flies within his reach.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 29, 2018, 12:01:28 AM
Johnstone won us points regularly, Nyland does the opposite.

I wish the takeover had come in time for us to keep Johnstone.

Although let's not forget, he had a bit of a torrid time at first, too.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: KevinGage on November 29, 2018, 12:05:52 AM
He carried himself like a goalkeeper though.

Johnstone actually started well and then had a dip. But he looked competent for the most part. 

This guy is an absolute Barry Crocker.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 29, 2018, 12:08:34 AM
Let's also not forget that he's conceded less than Johnstone this season. I think. 27 v 26. Although I cheated a little as Nyland has played 2 league games less.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Pat McMahon on November 29, 2018, 12:17:38 AM
Since our first home game against Wigan and his reluctance to leave his 6yard box on two occasions I have been shitting myself every time the ball is within a harpoon distance o f Nyland. I was hoping he was improving but zero saves tonight means he is either unlucky or somewhat below par.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: KRS on November 29, 2018, 03:34:38 AM
Let's face it...this guy is useless. He reminds me of the kid at school that was crap at football and was put in goal...fcuk knows how he's managed to blag a career as a "goalkeeper".
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Ads on November 29, 2018, 07:02:33 AM
He'd played well since Derby.

He was certainly at fault for the 5th. I wonder though how he was feeling confidence wise having not made a save and having conceded 4. Chester having been responsible personally for a couple of goals and Hourihane being the worst defensive midfielder we've ever had. When you've been exposed that badly by your diabolical colleagues, it seems more likely he'd shrunk and reverted to type.

Either way he's got to do better, but collectively we've got to be a 10000 times better.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: john e on November 29, 2018, 07:50:09 AM
Whether heís good enough or not for us at the moment heís certainly no better than Jed
so in that respect we wasted our time and money
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: XXVilla on November 29, 2018, 08:01:13 AM
I havenít seen him so far but how bad can Moreira be?
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: themossman on November 29, 2018, 09:03:02 AM
Even worse. Thanks, Steve.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: garyshawsknee on November 29, 2018, 09:06:21 AM
Whether heís good enough or not for us at the moment heís certainly no better than Jed
so in that respect we wasted our time and money

How sad that the best performing keeper this season, is no longer at the club, great vision on that one SB.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: dekko on November 29, 2018, 09:09:47 AM
He'd played well since Derby.

He was certainly at fault for the 5th. I wonder though how he was feeling confidence wise having not made a save and having conceded 4. Chester having been responsible personally for a couple of goals and Hourihane being the worst defensive midfielder we've ever had. When you've been exposed that badly by your diabolical colleagues, it seems more likely he'd shrunk and reverted to type.

Either way he's got to do better, but collectively we've got to be a 10000 times better.

This sums up my feelings pretty well.

He's bad some bad errors, and he isn't great.  But hes made to look a lot worse than he actually is by a combination of a poor defence and a system that means we are very vulnerable when we give the ball away.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on November 29, 2018, 11:44:24 AM


I think Shilton would look dodgy behind our defence at the moment
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Clampy on November 29, 2018, 12:01:27 PM
I keep forgetting that he's actually 28. He looks like someone who we've plucked from someone's youth team.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Iamkmkm on November 29, 2018, 01:00:28 PM
Absolutley useless, have cost us so many points, he is not even league 2 standar.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: john e on November 29, 2018, 01:09:47 PM
I keep forgetting that he's actually 28. He looks like someone who we've plucked from someone's youth team.

i did not know that
in that case i would cut our losses
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Iamkmkm on November 29, 2018, 01:18:18 PM
The other goalies at the club surley can't be worse then him?
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on November 29, 2018, 01:21:39 PM
He is absolutely awful.  He looks like Jason Donovan and acts like him, his saves are mostly made on instinct rather than any notion of positional sense, almost unilaterally waves his hands at the defence every time a goal goes in (all keepers do that I guess) and has the commanding presence of two of the houses in the Three Little Pigs story.  Even allowing for the crap defence he fills me with almost zero confidence every time an opposition team attack and that accepts he has become moderately better in recent weeks.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Richie on November 29, 2018, 01:31:07 PM
I'm hoping these rumours of Heaton from Burnley on loan in January are right. I could have gone in goal last night and couldn't have done any worse. He's a liability who has cost us a shed load of points already and will cost us a shed load more in the second half of the season if we stick with him.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: wittonwarrior on November 29, 2018, 01:38:40 PM
The bottom line is we canít afford a work in progress. We Need a shilton or clemence right now
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Pat McMahon on November 29, 2018, 02:10:52 PM
The other goalies at the club surley can't be worse then him?

All together now: "Oh yes they can"

Having said that, one area where i think he has been improving is in coming for crosses. He has also made some decent reflex saves since he joined.

I am clinging to the post made early this season by a poster who says he knows the Cardiff goalkeeping coach and they reckon he is good but shit with his feet.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on November 29, 2018, 02:16:48 PM
I've nothing against the guy, he seems perfectly likable and all that, but he's clearly not good enough. I thought we ought to give him time when he came in, but he's cost us points, and he doesn't inspire confidence.

I agree that he wasn't helped by the defence last night but that last goal by Grabban was basically unforgivable for me. As someone who played in goal for years you can't let yourself get caught out at the near-post like that, and it wasn't even a tricky one. Easy save all day long.

It says a lot that they had 5 shots on target and 5 goals. Lad didn't make a save all game and let in some goals he shouldn't have.

Replace him ASAP.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on November 29, 2018, 02:31:55 PM



Anyone care to tell me how many goals he's (as in they've been 100% his fault) been to blame for in the last two matches ?

Then the same with our defenders
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: themossman on November 29, 2018, 02:41:59 PM
I don't think it's that easy to separate. For their 4th, clearly Lolley shouldn't have been given that much space. But my first thought was that Nyland looked rooted and if he'd read it correctly and taken a step it was the kind of hard but catchable shot from distance that keepers should be saving. Like Kodjia's effort in the first half.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Dave P on November 29, 2018, 02:52:42 PM
Worth noting he was dropped for Bruce's last game at home to Preston and that didn't help us defensively at all either.  I think the whole unit is in need or a revamp.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Mortimer's Bear on November 29, 2018, 03:15:47 PM
The defence were at fault for my goals than he was last night.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Oscar Arce on November 29, 2018, 03:17:04 PM
He is rubbish end of, costing us goals week in week out.
Last night the long rage effort he didn't move, a step or a hand to his left and he at least makes an attempt to save it.
The Grabban goal was simly inept goalkeeping, beaten on his near post by a shot with all the power of a butterfly sneeze.
The Small Heath goal wasn't a foul either, he has to show some bottle not just fall over, all good keepers just come and claim it.
This goalkeeper already has, and will in future, cost us many points, so it's an easy decision for me..Heaton in January please as soon as possible, and also Steer didn't do anything wrong and has played well according to reports, get him back asap.
A monumental cock up by Bruce and his staff.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: TheMalandro on November 29, 2018, 03:27:51 PM
Is he George Weahís cousin?
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on November 29, 2018, 03:34:35 PM
Steer was largely culpable for the first goal we conceded this season, away at Hull. In his whole time with us he's done nothing to suggest he's good enough to be our first choice keeper, even if Nyland does make him look like Lev Yashin.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: passport1 on November 29, 2018, 03:37:01 PM
Wonder what Forest are doing about their keeper who let five in?
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: TaxDodger on November 29, 2018, 03:42:08 PM
I'm sorry, but he's just not good enough at the moment. I appreciate that some keepers take time to settle in (De Gea was pretty awful when he first arrived in England), but we really don't have time to wait around and hope he comes good.

We're unlikely to get out of this league without possessing a very decent goalkeeper. There would appear to be better options we could realistically attract - Heaton, Daniel Bentley etc. I'd therefore make a new keeper the first priority in January.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: themossman on November 29, 2018, 04:02:28 PM
I don't think he's necessarily a 'bad' keeper and I'm prepared to believe that he has had a good enough career so far to justify us going after him. But goalies are notoriously sensitive to changes in form based on new clubs, managers, playing styles, and it's an intensely psychological position to play. For whatever reason he just looks like a liability and other teams will prey on that.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: nigel on November 29, 2018, 07:03:59 PM
Johnstone won us points regularly, Nyland does the opposite.

This comparison sums it up. He must have cost us at least half a dozen goals or more this season, not to mention the uncertainty he generates in an already frail defence.
I thought Pantilimon was poor as well tonight, but at least he did make a few saves. Nyland regularly dives late but theatrically on shots that are going well wide, but is often static when the ball flies within his reach.

Conversely, '...not to mention the uncertainty the Defence generates in an already frail Keeper'.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: stuart445 on November 29, 2018, 07:19:18 PM
Wonder what Forest are doing about their keeper who let five in?

The difference is the Forrest keeper didn't let in every shot he faced, whereas Nyland let every shot he faced in.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: john e on November 29, 2018, 07:34:57 PM
Wonder what Forest are doing about their keeper who let five in?

The difference is the Forrest keeper didn't let in every shot he faced, whereas Nyland let every shot he faced in.

it donít sound good when you put it like that
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Legion on November 29, 2018, 07:40:08 PM
5 shots on target from Forest. 5 goals. Poor goalkeeping from a poor goalkeeper. Moreira is not much better though.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 29, 2018, 07:43:27 PM
Wonder what Forest are doing about their keeper who let five in?

The difference is the Forrest keeper didn't let in every shot he faced, whereas Nyland let every shot he faced in.

The main difference is we don't give a flying fuck about what forest do about their keeper.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: wittonwarrior on November 29, 2018, 07:51:08 PM
Is he George Weahís cousin?

Sums it up really. Whoever scouted him needs shooting he/she is the real letdown
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: john e on November 29, 2018, 07:55:02 PM
Is he George Weahís cousin?

Sums it up really. Whoever scouted him needs shooting he/she is the real letdown

wasnít he recommended by the super agent Mendes or did I get that bit wrong
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: dave shelley on November 29, 2018, 08:03:02 PM
Didn't Bruce say he'd been chasing him for four years?  Pity he never caught the c**t after two then we wouldn't be saddled with him.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: brian green on November 29, 2018, 08:16:16 PM
I still think a shaven head, face stubble and McCafu style tatts would make him a less twattish keeper.  Plus while he is at it a name change to Stig Rokvist.  Rock to his mates.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Ads on November 29, 2018, 08:43:20 PM
5 shots on target from Forest. 5 goals. Poor goalkeeping from a poor goalkeeper. Moreira is not much better though.

He was at fault for one of them.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on November 29, 2018, 08:48:13 PM
5 shots on target from Forest. 5 goals. Poor goalkeeping from a poor goalkeeper. Moreira is not much better though.

He was at fault for one of them.

Don't talk truth
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: TheMalandro on November 29, 2018, 08:56:35 PM
5 shots on target from Forest. 5 goals. Poor goalkeeping from a poor goalkeeper. Moreira is not much better though.

He was at fault for one of them.

Don't talk truth

He cost us two points then.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on November 29, 2018, 09:08:12 PM
I only see one goal he was responsible for. Against Derby he pulled off a wonder save and kept a clean sheet. A recent game (cannot remember which game) he pulled off two close top notch saves and was possibly MOTM. I am not saying he is the finished article but neither is Taylor-Hutton-Hourihane and even Chester at the moment. Support him and see how DS feels by Jan .......
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: brian green on November 29, 2018, 09:23:25 PM
I prefer to go on what DS thinks of him now.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: The Edge on November 29, 2018, 09:24:02 PM
I only see one goal he was responsible for. Against Derby he pulled off a wonder save and kept a clean sheet. A recent game (cannot remember which game) he pulled off two close top notch saves and was possibly MOTM. I am not saying he is the finished article but neither is Taylor-Hutton-Hourihane and even Chester at the moment. Support him and see how DS feels by Jan .......
That's a given. We have no choice. We will not get promoted with him as our first choice keeper. Once we do get a replacement we can take him out of the firing line and allow him to develop (hopefully) while his contract runs down. At that point his long term future can be decided.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: brian green on November 29, 2018, 09:36:59 PM
Absolutely TE.  One of our worst failings in the last ten years has been failure to act proactively.  I trust Dean Smith completely to act when action is called for.  There is no room in football in this age to let things sort themselves out.  How many times have we read the words "there is a good player in there somewhere"?
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 29, 2018, 09:49:05 PM
I only see one goal he was responsible for. Against Derby he pulled off a wonder save and kept a clean sheet. A recent game (cannot remember which game) he pulled off two close top notch saves and was possibly MOTM. I am not saying he is the finished article but neither is Taylor-Hutton-Hourihane and even Chester at the moment. Support him and see how DS feels by Jan .......

Shots go through him too easily. The Millwall winner was an example of that. Also look at that free kick at Sheffield United that again beat him at the near post. We also had the debate on his debut about whether it was an error when he kicked the ball straight at Nick Powell when trying to clear.

He just isn't good enough when you add in he's incapable of dominating penalty area on crosses.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: stuart445 on November 29, 2018, 10:38:24 PM
5 shots on target from Forest. 5 goals. Poor goalkeeping from a poor goalkeeper. Moreira is not much better though.

He was at fault for one of them.

All that was needed yesterday was for him to save 1 shot and we'd have won, or is asking a goalkeeper to at least save one of the shots he faces an unreasonable expectation?
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: wittonwarrior on November 29, 2018, 10:55:25 PM
Didnít go on my jollies but watching the highlights only the last goal was down to Nyland - still donít think he is good enough though
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 29, 2018, 11:12:35 PM
Freak things happen in football occasionally, I still remember us being 3 down after an hour at home to a Portsmouth side who'd had 2 shots. I don't think Nyland is as bad as we're seeing, but I don't think he's very good either.
More importantly we're probably stuck in a bit of a vicious circle at the back, he has no confidence in the defence, the defence have no confidence in him. That rarely goes well.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: OzVilla on November 30, 2018, 04:24:11 AM
5 shots on target from Forest. 5 goals. Poor goalkeeping from a poor goalkeeper. Moreira is not much better though.

He was at fault for one of them.

In your opinion, in my opinion he was at fault for 2 and a better keeper might have kept at least 1 of the other 3 out.  That's what good goalkeepers do, makes saves you wouldn't expect them to make, win you points, crazy shit like that.

I'm sorry but he's poor and he's been poor since his first game. Much as we all want him to do well it's just not gonna happen because he's simply not good enough.  I just cant see how we can get promoted with a goalkeeper that rarely wins us points but regularly costs us points.  It's the No 1 priority in January and preferably 1st Jan too.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Matt Collins on November 30, 2018, 06:05:35 AM
I see some pricks are berating him directly on Twitter

That will help things
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Perthvillan on November 30, 2018, 06:45:43 AM
I'm sorry but he's poor and he's been poor since his first game. Much as we all want him to do well it's just not gonna happen because he's simply not good enough.  I just cant see how we can get promoted with a goalkeeper that rarely wins us points but regularly costs us points.  It's the No 1 priority in January and preferably 1st Jan too.
5 shots on target from Forest. 5 goals. Poor goalkeeping from a poor goalkeeper. Moreira is not much better though.

Have to agree OzVilla, I thought he looked okay against SHA but watching the game back he didn't really have a save to make and was only happy with his distribution.
He really is a liability, your just waiting for his next howler.
Another one of Bruce's bad calls in letting Steer go out on loan especially as he had a decent game against Hull in the season opener.



Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Villan For Life on November 30, 2018, 07:08:07 AM
I thought that she was beginning to make progress and that he seemed much more confident since Smith came in. Wednesday changed that completely.

We canít afford to have a keeper who is a work in progress, letís hope Deano sorts it out soon.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Brassneck on November 30, 2018, 07:13:55 AM
He has to go - The earlier in January the better.

However, it helps nobody to be giving him grief directly on social media.  I always wonder what these morons get out of it and whether they are actually fans in the first place.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 30, 2018, 07:57:53 AM
I see some pricks are berating him directly on Twitter

That will help things

Itís really so fucking stupid isnít it? I donít think hes make it personally but youíre right how does this help at all?
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 30, 2018, 08:11:09 AM
I see some pricks are berating him directly on Twitter

That will help things

Itís really so fucking stupid isnít it? I donít think hes make it personally but youíre right how does this help at all?

Indeed, morons.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: john e on November 30, 2018, 09:59:18 AM
there's a video the 4th goal the long range shot from behind the goal on twitter

when you see that its plain he should have done more,
it isn't a unstoppable shot in the top corner, he only had to step once to the right put his hands up and he would have caught it

its in my opinion worse than the 5th goal, but either way he does not inspire confidence,
a change is needed especially as Clampy pointed out yesterday he's 28
he should be just coming into his prime he's not a youngster who has time to iron out his faults
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Ads on November 30, 2018, 10:23:25 AM
5 shots on target from Forest. 5 goals. Poor goalkeeping from a poor goalkeeper. Moreira is not much better though.

He was at fault for one of them.

All that was needed yesterday was for him to save 1 shot and we'd have won, or is asking a goalkeeper to at least save one of the shots he faces an unreasonable expectation?

All that was needed was Chester and Hourihane to do their jobs. He made one mistake, off the back of being badly exposed all game.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Edvard Remberg on November 30, 2018, 11:06:50 AM
There really isn't an alternative for the rest of 2018 - so where my logic fails me, is how in God's name does the "burn him publicly approach" help? Does anyone think he will go and say "fuck yes - I should try harder and be more cool" ?

The goals he has been blamed for this season is ridiculous - he isn't a top class keeper (they rarely are in the Championship, as the better keepers play at higher level), but he isn't to blame for everything.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Bren'd on November 30, 2018, 11:32:44 AM
He's just not good enough and that's it.  How we ended up with him I'll never know.  I'd also like to know who was responsible for it too.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: XXVilla on November 30, 2018, 12:22:41 PM
There really isn't an alternative for the rest of 2018 - so where my logic fails me, is how in God's name does the "burn him publicly approach" help? Does anyone think he will go and say "fuck yes - I should try harder and be more cool" ?

The goals he has been blamed for this season is ridiculous - he isn't a top class keeper (they rarely are in the Championship, as the better keepers play at higher level), but he isn't to blame for everything

I agree with this. I wonder if AVFC would be in s better place right now if fans hadnít been so quick in times gone by to jump on the backs of players who are obviously struggling. See also James Chester.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on November 30, 2018, 12:45:40 PM
5 shots on target from Forest. 5 goals. Poor goalkeeping from a poor goalkeeper. Moreira is not much better though.

He was at fault for one of them.

All that was needed yesterday was for him to save 1 shot and we'd have won, or is asking a goalkeeper to at least save one of the shots he faces an unreasonable expectation?

All that was needed was Chester and Hourihane to do their jobs. He made one mistake, off the back of being badly exposed all game.

I'll grant you there is a difference between making a glaring mistake and conceding, necessairly - but his job is to keep goal, and he let in 5 without making a single save.

The best goalkeepers make great interventions regardless of the quality of the players in front of them. Whether or not he was personally culpable for glaring errors for all 5 of the goals is a moot point for me - he still let them all in. He failed to make a single save all game.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Ads on November 30, 2018, 12:47:38 PM
Itndoesnt matter if he let 10 in. If he's only responsible for 1 he's only culpable for 1.

He may have done better with the 4th, but the total absence of pressure on Lolly was ridiculous. The 3 in the first half, what precisely are you supposed to do?

Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: achilles on November 30, 2018, 01:21:50 PM
Itndoesnt matter if he let 10 in. If he's only responsible for 1 he's only culpable for 1.

He may have done better with the 4th, but the total absence of pressure on Lolly was ridiculous. The 3 in the first half, what precisely are you supposed to do?



Personally I thought he could have done better for the third, to me he came, then stopped in no mans land and did nothing.
I felt he should have been more positive and if he had come straight away he would have got the ball or at least made it impossible for the attacker to beat him.
However positivity is not one of Nyland's strong points!
The last two goals were poor as well, especially when you view the fourth from behind the goal, he had a clear view of the ball, initially he went the wrong way and tried to adjust and ended up doing nothing again. A goalkeeper has to make an attempt at a save from a shot from 30 yards, he just has too!
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on November 30, 2018, 01:22:43 PM
We could argue forever about how many of the five goals Nyland was culpable for. What I'd say is unarguable is that the defence and midfield were culpable for all five.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on November 30, 2018, 02:54:23 PM
We could argue forever about how many of the five goals Nyland was culpable for. What I'd say is unarguable is that the defence and midfield were culpable for all five.

Totally agree. There are supposed to be 10 people on front of him to stop the ball getting anywhere near him. No one mentioning top notch save v Derby & point blank saves v reading ......
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: john e on November 30, 2018, 02:58:12 PM
we can also argue all we like about how good or bad he is but i can virtually guarantee he wonít be in our goal next season
I doubt heíll even see this season out as no 1
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: dave shelley on November 30, 2018, 05:20:15 PM
I thought he was only to blame for their sixth goal but then I saw Lolley's from the behind the goal perspective and as has been said, one step to the side and he would have been expected to save it.   I'd like to see him make it but I doubt it.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: rougegorge on November 30, 2018, 06:16:52 PM
Unfortunately, the fact that we are already on Page 42 for a player who's played for us for barely 4 months is indicative of his performances. There's only that level of posts for either a good player or something at the other end of the spectrum.

I feel sorry for him and I know Wednesday was not all down to him, but if he had stopped the 4th and 5th, I am not sure we'd have been even lauding him too much for match-winning saves.

Ipswich, Bristol City, Preston, Forest are just a few where I think he has cost us points, which would have seen us in the top 2. I recognise he has made some good saves but he's nowhere near in credit on that front.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: stuart445 on November 30, 2018, 06:44:48 PM
There really isn't an alternative for the rest of 2018 - so where my logic fails me, is how in God's name does the "burn him publicly approach" help? Does anyone think he will go and say "fuck yes - I should try harder and be more cool" ?

The goals he has been blamed for this season is ridiculous - he isn't a top class keeper (they rarely are in the Championship, as the better keepers play at higher level), but he isn't to blame for everything

I agree with this. I wonder if AVFC would be in s better place right now if fans hadnít been so quick in times gone by to jump on the backs of players who are obviously struggling. See also James Chester.

I'm convinced Chester problems this season are that he's constantly playing in a state of panic because he knows that 1 mistake means it'll almost certainly be a goal.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: stuart445 on November 30, 2018, 06:47:26 PM
5 shots on target from Forest. 5 goals. Poor goalkeeping from a poor goalkeeper. Moreira is not much better though.

He was at fault for one of them.

All that was needed yesterday was for him to save 1 shot and we'd have won, or is asking a goalkeeper to at least save one of the shots he faces an unreasonable expectation?

All that was needed was Chester and Hourihane to do their jobs. He made one mistake, off the back of being badly exposed all game.

Clearly expecting a professional goalkeeper to make at least 1 save is an unreasonable expectation.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: CT on November 30, 2018, 07:27:29 PM
we can also argue all we like about how good or bad he is but i can virtually guarantee he wonít be in our goal next season
I doubt heíll even see this season out as no 1

Yep. He scared me from day one, and still does now. He has no presence amongst his defenders and looks massively out of his depth to me. I can only assume the Spanish lad is appalling in training not to be getting a chance.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Ads on November 30, 2018, 07:30:41 PM
5 shots on target from Forest. 5 goals. Poor goalkeeping from a poor goalkeeper. Moreira is not much better though.

He was at fault for one of them.

All that was needed yesterday was for him to save 1 shot and we'd have won, or is asking a goalkeeper to at least save one of the shots he faces an unreasonable expectation?

All that was needed was Chester and Hourihane to do their jobs. He made one mistake, off the back of being badly exposed all game.

Clearly expecting a professional goalkeeper to make at least 1 save is an unreasonable expectation.

I would have expected him to cover his post better for the 5th, but I don't think he was at fault for any ogbthe others, including Lolly's dipping and swerving shot.

He was badly exposed and our defending was utterly criminal. To blame him for Chester is lamentable.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: wittonwarrior on November 30, 2018, 07:57:57 PM
A mistake a game in him enough said
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: stuart445 on November 30, 2018, 10:55:25 PM
5 shots on target from Forest. 5 goals. Poor goalkeeping from a poor goalkeeper. Moreira is not much better though.

He was at fault for one of them.

All that was needed yesterday was for him to save 1 shot and we'd have won, or is asking a goalkeeper to at least save one of the shots he faces an unreasonable expectation?

All that was needed was Chester and Hourihane to do their jobs. He made one mistake, off the back of being badly exposed all game.

Clearly expecting a professional goalkeeper to make at least 1 save is an unreasonable expectation.

I would have expected him to cover his post better for the 5th, but I don't think he was at fault for any ogbthe others, including Lolly's dipping and swerving shot.

He was badly exposed and our defending was utterly criminal. To blame him for Chester is lamentable.

Yes the defence isn't very good but having a keeper who struggles to save shots is probably putting a huge amount of pressure on them. As has been said the lolley shot better movement he'd have saved it, the 3rd he needed to make himself big but he flopped to the floor, the 5th nothing else needs saying about that.

Wednesday was a crazy night where both teams defences had a bad night the difference was that their keeper saved some shots whereas ours didn't save 1.

1 save would have won us the match and the 5th goal Axel did what every defender would have done pushed Grabbon wide and making the angle as narrow as possible but yet Nyland still let it in. You can defend him all you want but the 5th was the easiest shot he faced all night and he couldn't do it and that is what ultimately cost us 2 points
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Ads on December 01, 2018, 02:10:57 AM
The 3rd? Where Cash is clean through and 10 yards out having split Tuanzebe and Hutton? Make himself bigger is what you take from that?
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: adrenachrome on December 01, 2018, 02:12:22 AM
Pulis will have watched the Blues game and realised that if you put a block on Nyland in dead ball situations i.e. someone standing in front of him, it will reap dividends.

If we had somebody like Laurson, they would pick up the blocker, reassign their role, and then stand on the blocker's foot or ankle as they ran which would disable the effect of the tactic and deter further intrusions.

JT should be on to this, but in the absence of Hutton, I am not sure who would get the job done.

One thing for sure is that Nyland will not take the player out.

Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Matt Collins on December 01, 2018, 07:16:35 AM
Yeah. It possibly was a foul. But you've got to go through the man and get the ball there. You'll never get a foul given against a keeper innthay sort of situation so you've got to be a brute
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Clark W Griswold on December 01, 2018, 10:21:23 AM
He is pretty crap. There is something about him that makes me think he'll come good but the fact that we're still having the debate at the start of December says it all. Have we got time to wait? I think not, and conveniently there is a transfer window coming up.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Risso on December 01, 2018, 12:39:14 PM
He's a bit rubbish and needs to be replaced in January.  He isn't a young kid any more, and it just looks like that this is a level beyond him.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 01, 2018, 07:36:38 PM
Credit were it's due, one flap but apart from that looked better. Helped by the defence and midfield doing their jobs as well. Most that were criticised midweek redeemed themselves somewhat today. Keep it up chaps.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Deano's Mullet on December 01, 2018, 07:41:46 PM
Good save today to turn their shot onto the bar today.  Generally did ok.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: VillaLoyal on December 01, 2018, 07:42:21 PM
Amazing save onto the bar  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 01, 2018, 07:47:40 PM
Really pleased for him, brilliant save. Hope the bellends having a go at him on Twitter are as quick to praise him, but I doubt it.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Edvard Remberg on December 01, 2018, 08:08:30 PM
5 shots on target from Forest. 5 goals. Poor goalkeeping from a poor goalkeeper. Moreira is not much better though.

He was at fault for one of them.

All that was needed yesterday was for him to save 1 shot and we'd have won, or is asking a goalkeeper to at least save one of the shots he faces an unreasonable expectation?

All that was needed was Chester and Hourihane to do their jobs. He made one mistake, off the back of being badly exposed all game.

I'll grant you there is a difference between making a glaring mistake and conceding, necessairly - but his job is to keep goal, and he let in 5 without making a single save.

The best goalkeepers make great interventions regardless of the quality of the players in front of them. Whether or not he was personally culpable for glaring errors for all 5 of the goals is a moot point for me - he still let them all in. He failed to make a single save all game.
The best goalkeepers don't play in the championship and neither in bottom level of the Prem
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Edvard Remberg on December 01, 2018, 08:11:19 PM
He isn't strong,  but the save at 2-0 could actually have won us 3 points as we tend to panic after those.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Risso on December 01, 2018, 08:24:30 PM
He isn't strong,  but the save at 2-0 could actually have won us 3 points as we tend to panic after those.

We USED to panic after those.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 01, 2018, 08:30:06 PM
If that had gone in it would just have made us angry and we'd have won 6-1.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Rudy65 on December 01, 2018, 08:32:20 PM
Lovely hair as well. Jason Donovan circa 1989
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: adrenachrome on December 01, 2018, 08:41:06 PM
It was an excellent save, no doubt, but we knew he was a good shot stopper.

Good to see we are now addressing the problem of blockers trying to pin him to the goal line.

He also claimed a ball late in the game  in an area which he would not have done before.

As many posters have stated, it will be interesting to see what happens in January.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 01, 2018, 08:45:20 PM
He's got a month to prove he's worth sticking with, so it's up to him to show Dean Smith that he's the keeper to lead us to the title.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 01, 2018, 09:09:18 PM
Now THIS is shit goalkeeping (https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/competitions/championship/11568959/rudds-through-the-legs-howler)
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Ad@m on December 01, 2018, 09:14:55 PM
Now THIS is shit goalkeeping (https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/competitions/championship/11568959/rudds-through-the-legs-howler)

Yeah but da vile always get all the luck. Not like those plucky noses, battling against the odds, never getting a lucky break!
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: jwarry on December 01, 2018, 09:15:40 PM
He isn't strong,  but the save at 2-0 could actually have won us 3 points as we tend to panic after those.

We USED to panic after those.

Now we just go up the other end and score a couple more, love it!
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Damo70 on December 02, 2018, 01:00:25 PM
He's got a month to prove he's worth sticking with, so it's up to him to show Dean Smith that he's the keeper to lead us to the title.

I didn't rate him at first but he has improved recently. It may be a combination of settling into the league and possibly also the change of manager.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: stuart445 on December 02, 2018, 04:46:18 PM
The 3rd? Where Cash is clean through and 10 yards out having split Tuanzebe and Hutton? Make himself bigger is what you take from that?

Stays on his feet instead of flopping to the ground, difficult to chip the ball over a 6 foot plus keeper from close range.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: stuart445 on December 02, 2018, 04:50:01 PM
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Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: LeeB on December 03, 2018, 09:21:25 AM
The 3rd? Where Cash is clean through and 10 yards out having split Tuanzebe and Hutton? Make himself bigger is what you take from that?

Stays on his feet instead of flopping to the ground, difficult to chip the ball over a 6 foot plus keeper from close range.

Thanks to the two challenges that come about 15 yards too late the ball spins up at an unusual angle, I don't think he had a chance with that one.

The next two however should have been saved.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Risso on December 07, 2018, 10:10:18 PM
Dreafully weak. Piss poor.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Rigadon on December 07, 2018, 10:11:32 PM
Dracula.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: hilts_coolerking on December 07, 2018, 10:16:27 PM
Smith's a shrewd guy.  He'll know, and if he isn't sorting out possible replacements already I'd be very surprised.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: nuninho on December 07, 2018, 10:17:38 PM
He's shot confidence wise. He's shit talent wise. Get rid.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Pvb1968 on December 07, 2018, 10:18:45 PM
He's shit and hopefully got no more than 3 games left.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: andyh on December 07, 2018, 10:23:05 PM
5 games left then bye.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Newby on December 07, 2018, 11:01:56 PM
I think we can do a lot better than this guy but the ball WAS handled out of his grasp to be fair.  That said, his positioning for the last Forest goal and the way he went for the Albion equaliser tonight was just very poor decision making.  He doesn't instil confidence and I reckon we could stick with the likes of the back four that finished the game tonight and get away with it for the rest of the season, but with Nyland behind them, we will be struggling.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: KRS on December 08, 2018, 04:13:44 AM
When he saves any attempt towards our goal itís a feeling of relief or surprise...it shouldnít be like that. We should have a keeper than can and is expected to make saves that will be the difference between winning and drawing/losing...unfortunately heís not that guy. You canít blame him for their first tonight, but he may as well not have even been there as a better keeper would have at least made a better attempt or even saved it.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Kimaster1976 on December 08, 2018, 05:58:02 AM
Bruce's parting gift to us was to sign not one but two of the most ill equipped goalkeepers we will ever see, where is Moreira anyway he injured or just taking a nap until his loan expires?

Hows Jed Steer doing at Charlton? Surely its time to recall him for the next 5 games at least until we can sign someone.

Failling that Bunn has gotta be a better option right now too than Nyland.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: TheMalandro on December 08, 2018, 06:03:50 AM
Iíd rather have Davd Platt in goal.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Matt Collins on December 08, 2018, 06:40:38 AM
He's a good shot stopper and decent at distribution

But he makes pretty basic technical errors and isn't strong enough or brave enough

Still think a centre half is the more pressing issue - though is that just Elphick? But definitely need a new one
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: XXVilla on December 08, 2018, 07:28:26 AM
In the words of Ralphie Cifaretto ... ďHeís gotta go John..Ē
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Villafirst on December 08, 2018, 08:03:05 AM
Go for Heaton in January. Nyland is so weak on crosses, not at all commanding. He needs to beef up his upper body.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: ozzjim on December 08, 2018, 10:06:01 AM
Heaton seems too obvious now to be missed. Nayland is bloody awful. So weak for his height is scary and he must have coat us 8 to 10 points this season. Keeper, left back, centre half in Jan and we go up.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: JUAN PABLO on December 08, 2018, 10:25:10 AM
imagine Noland in the Prem ?   he has to go , I was hoping he would settle and be ok but every cross that comes he flaps like an old slag from Small Heath.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: LeeB on December 08, 2018, 10:30:46 AM
Iíd rather have Davd Platt in goal.

Off Coronation St.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: tomd2103 on December 08, 2018, 11:13:41 AM
He's a good shot stopper and decent at distribution

But he makes pretty basic technical errors and isn't strong enough or brave enough

Still think a centre half is the more pressing issue - though is that just Elphick? But definitely need a new one

Watched the game with a group of mates last night and the general consensus was that we really could do with a dominant centre half, particularly one who is very strong in the air, to partner either Tuanzebe or Chester.  We struggle to clear the ball from our own area when it is in the air and we could really do with someone who will clear everything out.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Villafirst on December 08, 2018, 01:17:03 PM
James Collins is very strong in the air?
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Risso on December 08, 2018, 01:43:01 PM
Iíd rather have Davd Platt in goal.

Off Coronation St.

Tied up in the back of a car.

In a canal.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: achilles on December 08, 2018, 01:46:01 PM
The goalkeeping situation will be sorted in January as will be the centre half position with a dominant, taller player!

The rest of the league had better watch out then! UTV
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Fred Crump on December 08, 2018, 01:59:56 PM
I think we should get rid of all three keepers - Noland , Nayland and Nyland ;)
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: VinnieChase84 on December 08, 2018, 02:01:08 PM
The goalkeeping situation will be sorted in January as will be the centre half position with a dominant, taller player!

The rest of the league had better watch out then! UTV

Heaten and McKenna and we can surge this league. A left back would be the icing
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: wittonwarrior on December 08, 2018, 05:17:30 PM
imagine Noland in the Prem ?   he has to go , I was hoping he would settle and be ok but every cross that comes he flaps like an old slag from Small Heath.
Imagine Johnstone in the premiership.  Okay he's not as good at Johnstone but neither could play at that standard.  Mind you neither can Taylor.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Matt Collins on December 09, 2018, 07:01:03 AM
I agree about the dominant centre half

Would you drop tuanzebe or Chester though??
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Villafirst on December 09, 2018, 07:07:38 AM
If we'd kept Steer we'd probably have 6 more points now - that may just be the difference between automatic promotion and the play-offs. We'll done Brucie!
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: QuintonVilla on December 09, 2018, 09:25:29 AM
I don't understand why he was trying to catch that the other night, if he punches it we win. That's not just poor goalkeeping, it's common sense. If he punches that away, Rodriguez clatters into him and we get a free kick.

He scares the shit out of me everytime the ball comes into the box so dread to think how the defence feel. Even at Boro, they were dreadful but he still flapped at a couple of balls into the box.

Always thought a keeper should be a big character and presence but he looks about 12 and seems too nice to be a keeper. Can you imagine him coming out and clattering everything in sight? No.

Get Heaton or another decent keeper in January and we'll win this league.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: kipeye on December 09, 2018, 09:41:42 AM
I think we should get rid of all three keepers - Noland , Nayland and Nyland ;)
We keeping Nuland then?
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on December 09, 2018, 09:49:24 AM
If we'd kept Steer we'd probably have 6 more points now - that may just be the difference between automatic promotion and the play-offs. We'll done Brucie!

That's a completely baseless claim though, I don't see how anyone could say that would probably be the case. Far more probable is that we'd be debating different types of mistakes by a different keeper who was never convincing. There was no mass clamour for Steer to be our new first-choice keeper because he never looked anything more than a back-up. Nyland's uselessness doesn't change that.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: paul_e on December 09, 2018, 02:37:07 PM
I think we should get rid of all three keepers - Noland , Nayland and Nyland ;)
We keeping Nuland then?

The closest way to put his name in English is Owen Newlan. It's not quite right but it's closer than most of the attempts from commentators.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Risso on December 09, 2018, 03:59:26 PM
In my house it's pronounced "ohforfucksakenyland".
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: XXVilla on December 09, 2018, 04:07:57 PM
Steer has had a number of years to impress. I donít think heís the answer.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on December 09, 2018, 05:25:01 PM
Steer has had a number of years to impress. I donít think heís the answer.
Bumsteer?
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: tomd2103 on December 09, 2018, 06:54:48 PM
I agree about the dominant centre half

Would you drop tuanzebe or Chester though??

It would be a tough choice.  I personally think Tuanzebe has done well since Dean Smith has arrived and Chester has made a number of mistakes in that time.  That said, I think if Chester was moved back on the right side and partnered with that kind of defender he would be far more comfortable. That might free Tuanzebe up to play in the defensive midfielder role, which could be an interesting proposition. 
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: martin o`who?? on December 10, 2018, 09:38:17 PM
I think we should get rid of all three keepers - Noland , Nayland and Nyland ;)
We keeping Nuland then?
Canít we get Jimmy Cumbes back - at least I could spell it.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: themossman on December 15, 2018, 09:58:54 PM
In the interests of balance... Decent today. Couldnít do much about Allenís goal and wasnít far away from saving the pen.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on December 15, 2018, 10:05:47 PM
Him and McGinn our stand outs today.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 15, 2018, 10:53:43 PM
Had a good game today. Handled their long shots well.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: wittonwarrior on December 16, 2018, 10:18:12 AM
What about his distribution yesterday wasnít good at all
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Ads on December 16, 2018, 11:43:54 AM
Had a good game today. Handled their long shots well.

He did. Their delivery wasn't very good, but bizarrely I felt that made it difficult with the ball dipping in front of him.

Made two good saves in the first 15 minutes too.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: WassallVillain on December 16, 2018, 11:23:36 PM
What about his distribution yesterday wasnít good at all
I thought his distribution was excellent yesterday. Nice interplays with centrebacks around closing attackers and always Looking to get wingers and fullbacks away with quick throws
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: TheMalandro on December 16, 2018, 11:34:30 PM
Letís hope Santa brings him some goalkeeping qualities for Christmas.

Flop.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 26, 2018, 04:58:53 PM
The ups and downs in the life of a goalkeeper.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Deano's Mullet on December 26, 2018, 05:01:38 PM
Since the Forest game I think he's been ok
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 26, 2018, 05:08:05 PM
Criticised him loads but he did win us three points today so well done.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Tayls_7 on December 26, 2018, 05:10:37 PM
Orjan, who is your very best friend. I am . I'm gonna help you mend your broken start.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: themossman on December 26, 2018, 05:15:52 PM
Had a good game before the pen. Only one wobble when he hesitated and almost got done at the near post.

Look at the table. That win was massive and he deserves much credit. The difference between bottom half and in touch with the playoffs.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 26, 2018, 05:20:28 PM
Did well and saved us, well done.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on December 27, 2018, 11:57:02 AM
The ups and downs in the life of a goalkeeper.

This man Nyland has made so many mistakes and then makes the save of the match.  Quite incredible.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: andyh on December 27, 2018, 12:48:28 PM
Criticised him loads but he did win us three points today so well done.
2 points, to be fair....but he did do well
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on December 27, 2018, 02:42:57 PM
Massive respect to Nyland. He was excellent other than the penalty  his throw outs to get attacks started were very good. One fumble which he dealt with gives him a 9-10 & MOTM hope he has a good run and forces DS to leave him in ÖÖ..
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on December 30, 2018, 01:00:36 PM
Crocked in training. Out for Tuesday.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Bren'd on December 30, 2018, 01:04:25 PM
Weíd have started with the new keeper in any case wouldnít we?
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: wittonwarrior on December 30, 2018, 01:07:30 PM
Itís all over social media his injury
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Pete3206 on December 30, 2018, 01:32:00 PM
Can we get Steer back? Don't fancy Bunn or the other bloke.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: ozzjim on December 30, 2018, 01:35:54 PM
Achilles reportedly. Real shame as he was starting to settle a bit and the idea was to have a decent number 1 and 2.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: andyh on December 30, 2018, 01:36:02 PM
Ruptured Achilles tendon apparently 😢
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on December 30, 2018, 01:36:50 PM
We seem to be suffering from a lot of injuries all of a sudden.  Presumably since Smith came in they have upped the work rate expectations and this is a fallout from that.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: ozzjim on December 30, 2018, 01:43:36 PM
The injuries are killing us. Fully fit we are top 4 easily. Too many key ones. Even Chester has been playing injured for a few weeks now.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: CT on December 30, 2018, 01:44:24 PM
Can we get Steer back? Don't fancy Bunn or the other bloke.

I'd rather John Terry went in goal than Bunn.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: ozzjim on December 30, 2018, 01:45:21 PM
Me too. Bunn is the worst keeper I have ever seen in a Villa shirt.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Newby on December 30, 2018, 01:45:46 PM
I thought Kalinic is eligible, surely Bunn or Sarkic can sit on the bench?
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: mr underhill on December 30, 2018, 02:01:36 PM
Poor bloke - how long is he likely to be missing with that sort of injury? Perhaps the Invisible Man is about to become visible?
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Pete3206 on December 30, 2018, 02:33:20 PM
I thought Kalinic is eligible, surely Bunn or Sarkic can sit on the bench?

Kalinic cannot play until Saturday.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: pooligan on December 30, 2018, 02:40:43 PM
Just heard the news about Nyland .What do we do in training,first Tuanzebe and now Nyland
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Tuscans on December 30, 2018, 02:49:27 PM
Just heard the news about Nyland .What do we do in training,first Tuanzebe and now Nyland
High intensity training I hope. They're probably not used to it after Clemence and Calderwoods zumba.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Lsvilla on December 30, 2018, 03:31:49 PM
I thought Kalinic is eligible, surely Bunn or Sarkic can sit on the bench?

Kalinic cannot play until Saturday.
I thought Percy in the Telegraph said he could play v. QPR ?
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Legion on December 30, 2018, 03:33:32 PM
I also thought he was available from the start of January.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Risso on December 30, 2018, 03:35:57 PM
I'm pretty sure Smith said the FA Cup game would be the first he'd be eligible to play in.  That makes sense to me, I'd have thought they can't officially process the paperwork until Tuesday, and I bet players can't play on the same day it's all going through.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Villafirst on December 30, 2018, 03:46:32 PM
Why a full training session today? Next game is only 48 hours away. This is ruining the season. First Tuanzebe and now Nyland. You have to question what these training sessions are at a busy festive schedule. Madness!!
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 30, 2018, 03:50:33 PM
Thatís terrible news, hope his recovery goes well.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 30, 2018, 04:03:13 PM
This is a real shame. He would have lost his spot to Kalinic anyway but he's have been a more than adequate back up. If we had no luck with injuries it would be more than we are having right now.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: CT on December 30, 2018, 04:06:18 PM
It does seem strange, I thought after three games in six days, they'd be doing recovery stuff at BMH.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 30, 2018, 04:13:14 PM
They'll have been doing some basic training, most likely set pieces, formations and tactics for how QPR play and so on, there's zero chance it was a full on training session. Injuries happen and most likely it was something completely innocuous that caused the injury. It could have been a light training drill with crosses and he landed wrong for all we know.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 30, 2018, 04:37:22 PM
Is there a recall for Jed Steer? He's been playing well for them.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: KRS on December 30, 2018, 04:40:02 PM
Who goes in goal for QPR then? Bunn or the other crap signing?
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Ads on December 30, 2018, 04:42:08 PM
His injury has nothing to do with training methods. You're just as likely to do your Achilles walking to your bed than you are on the training pitch.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on December 30, 2018, 04:43:21 PM
Poor bloke - how long is he likely to be missing with that sort of injury? Perhaps the Invisible Man is about to become visible?

Season ending I'd have thought.
Would have been career threatening not that long ago , its a lot worse than ACL etc I think
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Villafirst on December 30, 2018, 04:44:23 PM
Is there a recall for Jed Steer? He's been playing well for them.

I think there's the recall option, but with Bruce and his judgement, probably not. Imagine if Nyland had got injured a couple of months ago? Bunn would've been 1st choice! Well done again Steve - professional decision, not! I wouldn't pay Bruce in washers!
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Rudy65 on December 30, 2018, 04:45:25 PM
Ruptured Achilles tendon apparently 😢

See him next season then or maybe never again in a Villa shirt
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on December 30, 2018, 04:48:06 PM
His injury has nothing to do with training methods. You're just as likely to do your Achilles walking to your bed than you are on the training pitch.
Nonsense
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 30, 2018, 04:55:02 PM
His injury has nothing to do with training methods. You're just as likely to do your Achilles walking to your bed than you are on the training pitch.
Nonsense

Why is it nonsense? You can slip and fall and do your Achilles. It doesnít have to be tied to specific training methods at all.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: mr underhill on December 30, 2018, 04:59:58 PM
I hope Dean's going to get some solid financial backing next month. Our injury list is getting crazy.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Ads on December 30, 2018, 05:00:01 PM
His injury has nothing to do with training methods. You're just as likely to do your Achilles walking to your bed than you are on the training pitch.
Nonsense

Why?

You're walking and stretching the tendon in either scenario.

It's not a trauma injury. Google Beckham doing his. Replace the football pitch with your kids Lego that you're stepping back from and boom, you're needing surgery. It can happen to anybody. The idea that BMH has been land mined, as was inferred is wrong.

Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on December 30, 2018, 05:24:39 PM
His injury has nothing to do with training methods. You're just as likely to do your Achilles walking to your bed than you are on the training pitch.
Nonsense

Why?

You're walking and stretching the tendon in either scenario.

It's not a trauma injury. Google Beckham doing his. Replace the football pitch with your kids Lego that you're stepping back from and boom, you're needing surgery. It can happen to anybody. The idea that BMH has been land mined, as was inferred is wrong.
Bar room quackery
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Rudy65 on December 30, 2018, 05:32:45 PM
His injury has nothing to do with training methods. You're just as likely to do your Achilles walking to your bed than you are on the training pitch.
Nonsense

Why?

You're walking and stretching the tendon in either scenario.

It's not a trauma injury. Google Beckham doing his. Replace the football pitch with your kids Lego that you're stepping back from and boom, you're needing surgery. It can happen to anybody. The idea that BMH has been land mined, as was inferred is wrong.
Bar room quackery

A mate of mine ruptured his Achilles on a football pitch by simply turning in the other direction. The ball or an opponent were nowhere near him
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on December 30, 2018, 05:34:45 PM
Who knew in twenty years or so time in 1997 when this internet thingy came about we would all be qualified online Doctors by now.  Can anyone help me with my heartburn?  Itís oersistent and seems to come about on matchdays.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on December 30, 2018, 05:38:26 PM
His injury has nothing to do with training methods. You're just as likely to do your Achilles walking to your bed than you are on the training pitch.
Nonsense
Fucking dangerous place the bedroom ......I once tripped over a discarded ear bud - fortunately my fall was broken by wife's supply of panty pads saving me from a life threatening injury ;)
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Ads on December 30, 2018, 05:39:47 PM
Who knew in twenty years or so time in 1997 when this internet thingy came about we would all be qualified online Doctors by now.  Can anyone help me with my heartburn?  Itís oersistent and seems to come about on matchdays.

Dietary I'd imagine. Stop eating so much fatty food.

Neeeeeext.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on December 30, 2018, 05:45:01 PM
Who knew in twenty years or so time in 1997 when this internet thingy came about we would all be qualified online Doctors by now.  Can anyone help me with my heartburn?  Itís oersistent and seems to come about on matchdays.
I've read a few papers on this exact problem and it sounds like a ruptured Achilles.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: paul_e on December 30, 2018, 05:45:51 PM
I'm with Ads on this one, it's not an injury that needs high intensity training, anything where you stamp your heel down or turn sharply can trigger it, especially in football boots.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Stu on December 30, 2018, 05:47:18 PM
Wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't play for Villa again.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on December 30, 2018, 05:49:16 PM
Iíve just spoken to 111 and theyíve diagnosed a ruptured Achillesí tendon.  Thanks AAC.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on December 30, 2018, 05:59:55 PM
Iíve just spoken to 111 and theyíve diagnosed a ruptured Achillesí tendon.  Thanks AAC.
Not a problem. Just do some light jogging with weighted socks.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: dave.woodhall on December 30, 2018, 06:43:59 PM
Benteke got a similar injury running in training with no-one near him. It happens.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Risso on December 30, 2018, 07:00:22 PM
This is why Kalinic can't play on Tuesday. The EFL rules say:

43.8

Subject to Regulations 43.2, 43.3 and 57, a Player will only be eligible to play in a match organised by The League if the appropriate forms for his registration or the transfer of his registration (including, for the avoidance of doubt, Temporary Loan Transfers) are received (including by facsimile) and found to be in order by The League by 12.00 noon on the day prior to the date of such match.

The transfer window doesn't officially open until Tuesday, so the earliest he could play would be Wednesday.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Legion on December 30, 2018, 07:02:50 PM
We founded the bloody thing. Rewrite them.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: mike on December 30, 2018, 08:21:14 PM
I'm sure it wouldn't apply in these circumstances, but aren't there emergency exceptions to registration for goalkeepers?
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: TheMalandro on December 30, 2018, 08:32:15 PM
I wish him well anyway, Iím sure heís hugely disappointed with how his transfer has turned out. Very bad luck for him.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Risso on December 30, 2018, 08:33:19 PM
I'm sure it wouldn't apply in these circumstances, but aren't there emergency exceptions to registration for goalkeepers?

There are emergency loan conditions, but none of that applies here.  Even then, they still have to be registered properly and in the same manner as other players.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 30, 2018, 08:36:20 PM
I'm sure it wouldn't apply in these circumstances, but aren't there emergency exceptions to registration for goalkeepers?

Only if you hardly have any fit. Football league/FA would probably laugh at us given we've just signed one for 7m and Moreria made a cup appearence and has gone into hiding.

Edit: At the risk of bring Kiraly out of retirement....when we did that Sorensen and Stuart Taylor both were injured at the same time for a month so that could be justified.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: mike on December 30, 2018, 09:06:10 PM
I'm sure it wouldn't apply in these circumstances, but aren't there emergency exceptions to registration for goalkeepers?

Only if you hardly have any fit. Football league/FA would probably laugh at us given we've just signed one for 7m and Moreria made a cup appearence and has gone into hiding.

Edit: At the risk of bring Kiraly out of retirement....when we did that Sorensen and Stuart Taylor both were injured at the same time for a month so that could be justified.
I'm sure it wouldn't apply in these circumstances, but aren't there emergency exceptions to registration for goalkeepers?

Only if you hardly have any fit. Football league/FA would probably laugh at us given we've just signed one for 7m and Moreria made a cup appearence and has gone into hiding.

Edit: At the risk of bring Kiraly out of retirement....when we did that Sorensen and Stuart Taylor both were injured at the same time for a month so that could be justified.

Iím sure youíre right but we have one fit keeper so canít we loan Lovre for a week?
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Legion on December 30, 2018, 09:06:41 PM
Our promotion push is taking a bit of a slump.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Pvb1968 on December 30, 2018, 09:08:01 PM
His injury has nothing to do with training methods. You're just as likely to do your Achilles walking to your bed than you are on the training pitch.
Nonsense
Fucking dangerous place the bedroom ......I once tripped over a discarded ear bud - fortunately my fall was broken by wife's supply of panty pads saving me from a life threatening injury ;)
That sounds painful but have you ever stood on a 3 pin plug, oooh.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Legion on December 30, 2018, 09:08:29 PM
Or a piece of Lego?
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Flamingo Lane on December 31, 2018, 09:40:51 AM
Who goes in goal for QPR then? Bunn or the other crap signing?

That ball boy who caught the ball during the Leeds game looks pretty handy.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: PeterWithe on December 31, 2018, 09:42:20 AM
Wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't play for Villa again.

Nor me although Iím not sure the injury is a factor in that.

Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Brassneck on December 31, 2018, 04:15:12 PM
Steer recalled from his loan at Charlton now as well.

I would start him ahead of Bunn tomorrow.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Risso on December 31, 2018, 04:25:43 PM
Yep.  Bowyer sounds a bit gutted to be losing him, so he must have done OK.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: mr underhill on December 31, 2018, 04:53:40 PM
Bunn makes Nyland look world class
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: achilles on December 31, 2018, 05:01:53 PM
Steer recalled from his loan at Charlton now as well.

I would start him ahead of Bunn tomorrow.

Obviously DS doesn't rate Bunn then!
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: XXVilla on December 31, 2018, 05:18:43 PM
How is Bunn still here?
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Dazvillain on December 31, 2018, 06:08:18 PM
Feel pretty sorry for steer coming back to just play tomoz and then Kalinic will be in and steer will be no2 or 3 for rest of season having been first choice at charlton playing games
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Legion on December 31, 2018, 06:12:08 PM
Feel pretty sorry for steer coming back to just play tomoz and then Kalinic will be in and steer will be no2 or 3 for rest of season having been first choice at charlton playing games

I don't. Kalinic has been brought in as number 1 and the rest need to show that they are ready to battle it out as number 2 and be ready to step up if and when the opportunity arises.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: OCD on December 31, 2018, 06:23:05 PM
Yep.  Bowyer sounds a bit gutted to be losing him, so he must have done OK.

I heard from a Charlton fan that he's done really well. I thought he did well in the Hull game tbh, bit harshly treated to be sent out on loan replaced by the Portugese guy.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on December 31, 2018, 06:30:47 PM
He hasnít been recalled.  Charlton paid a loan fee for him so no way can he be recalled.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 31, 2018, 06:34:22 PM
Bunn is a weird one, he was out of contract in the summer and yet still seems to be a Villa player despite no announcement ever being made that he was given a new contract, even if it was just a one year extension you'd have assumed something would have been said.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Richard E on December 31, 2018, 06:34:39 PM
He hasnít been recalled.  Charlton paid a loan fee for him so no way can he be recalled.

Are you an expert in contract law or something?
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: LukeJames on December 31, 2018, 06:40:54 PM
I get the impression Bunn is good for morale around the dressing room, he's regurlarly on instagram and tweets of other players, they seem to think alot of him. I doubt we are paying him much either.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: luke95 on December 31, 2018, 06:48:01 PM
He hasnít been recalled.  Charlton paid a loan fee for him so no way can he be recalled.

He's been recalled
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: TheMalandro on December 31, 2018, 07:02:24 PM
He hasnít been recalled.  Charlton paid a loan fee for him so no way can he be recalled.

He's been recalled

Yes way.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: wittonwarrior on December 31, 2018, 07:11:13 PM
Got to feel sorry for Nyland, thrown in at the deep end, with a leaky defence in front of him.  No time to really adjust to our football, gave110% effort and  despite that feel short, but you cant help but like the guy.  Get well soon
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: TheMalandro on December 31, 2018, 07:20:00 PM
Got to feel sorry for Nyland, thrown in at the deep end, with a leaky defence in front of him.  No time to really adjust to our football, gave110% effort and  despite that feel short, but you cant help but like the guy.  Get well soon

Well said WW. I have no problem with any Villa player that respects the fans and is a decent professional. I may not want him in goal but I hope he recovers quickly.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Brassneck on December 31, 2018, 07:29:12 PM
Got to feel sorry for Nyland, thrown in at the deep end, with a leaky defence in front of him.  No time to really adjust to our football, gave110% effort and  despite that feel short, but you cant help but like the guy.  Get well soon

Well said WW. I have no problem with any Villa player that respects the fans and is a decent professional. I may not want him in goal but I hope he recovers quickly.

Seconded. Well put WW.

I have been against Nyland from almost day 1 but (unlike many players), I have nothing but admiration for him for the way heís applied himself. 
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 31, 2018, 07:31:08 PM
As it stands, on the 2nd of Jan we'll have 6 goalkeepers.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: TheMalandro on December 31, 2018, 07:32:50 PM
As it stands, on the 2nd of Jan we'll have 6 goalkeepers.

Hopefully one good one.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: XXVilla on December 31, 2018, 08:15:54 PM
I get the impression Bunn is good for morale around the dressing room, he's regurlarly on instagram and tweets of other players, they seem to think alot of him. I doubt we are paying him much either.

I could do that
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Ads on December 31, 2018, 08:20:15 PM
Bunn is a weird one, he was out of contract in the summer and yet still seems to be a Villa player despite no announcement ever being made that he was given a new contract, even if it was just a one year extension you'd have assumed something would have been said.

It's like Office Space.

Deano keeps asking him to move his locker back that little bit further.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: XXVilla on December 31, 2018, 08:33:11 PM
Bunn is a weird one, he was out of contract in the summer and yet still seems to be a Villa player despite no announcement ever being made that he was given a new contract, even if it was just a one year extension you'd have assumed something would have been said.

Perhaps heís done a George Castanza and keeps turning up for work after heís been fired?

It's like Office Space.

Deano keeps asking him to move his locker back that little bit further.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Newby on December 31, 2018, 08:46:33 PM
With Steer and Kalinic, I reckon we are NOW very good in that department!
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: eamonn on December 31, 2018, 11:04:34 PM
I get the impression Bunn is good for morale around the dressing room, he's regurlarly on instagram and tweets of other players, they seem to think alot of him. I doubt we are paying him much either.

I thought we were paying Micah for the Bantz'n'Clown role.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: maidstonevillain on December 31, 2018, 11:35:37 PM
I get the impression Bunn is good for morale around the dressing room, he's regurlarly on instagram and tweets of other players, they seem to think alot of him. I doubt we are paying him much either.

I thought we were paying Micah for the Bantz'n'Clown role.
Every good comic needs his stooge.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: brontebilly on December 31, 2018, 11:37:34 PM
Bunn makes Nyland look world class

Bunn is shocking. I felt a little sorry for Bruce after Bunn's efforts v Preston.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: ozzjim on January 01, 2019, 12:02:48 AM
Bunn is bloody useless.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 01, 2019, 12:26:05 AM
His brother Frankie was a better keeper and he was a striker.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Drummond on January 01, 2019, 08:22:13 AM
I'm guessing we can recall Steer, as we have, play him today, then send him back to Charlton on loan again?
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: mr underhill on January 01, 2019, 09:26:29 AM
why would  we do that though? With Nyland gone I'd want Steer as reserve, not Bunn.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 01, 2019, 06:44:28 PM
DS has said Nyland will have surgery next week and expects him to be out for the rest of the season. And it happened while he was warming up so just one of those things.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 05, 2019, 06:18:38 PM
Back in training.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Mister E on July 05, 2019, 10:08:24 PM
Back in training.
Thank God.
We're saved.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Rudy65 on July 06, 2019, 11:58:28 AM
He will be out on loan when he has recovered  his match fitness
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: LowerNorthStand on July 07, 2019, 06:33:04 AM
Back in training.
Thank God.
We're saved.

He made a couple of amazing saves the rest of the time last season I was nervous if it went near him...
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: thick_mike on July 07, 2019, 12:37:38 PM
I think he really improved during his run in the first team, and by the end looked quite solid.

Iím sure he would have done well behind the pairing of Mings and Tuanzebe if he hadnít become injured.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: wittonwarrior on July 07, 2019, 02:43:53 PM
In truth had a couple of good games namely Swansea away , however always a mistake in him
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: KRS on July 07, 2019, 02:47:34 PM
I donít see Nyland as a Premier League standard keeper...in fact, the prospect of having him in goal shits my right up. We need to sign a much better keeper, and either sell or send Nyland our on loan.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Ger Regan on July 07, 2019, 03:23:35 PM
He's probably 3rd choice keeper as things stand, so i'm not sure panic stations are needed about him just yet.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: brentastonb6 on July 07, 2019, 09:34:52 PM
Iíd rate him alongside Brad Guzan for frailty factor.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: themossman on July 09, 2019, 12:26:18 PM
Itís mad how much money we have locked up in keepers of roughly similar quality. If ever there was a position where you can afford to have clunkers in the squad itís there. Kalinic and Nyland combined fees must be pushing £10m.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: mr underhill on July 09, 2019, 01:08:11 PM
yet Smith must have sanctioned this as he came in mid season. a rare balls up.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 09, 2019, 03:05:21 PM
Kalinic came in playing behind a disaster of a defence at a time out form really started to dip. Then he gets a whack to the head followed by a long term knee injury. Granted he could have done some things better himself but to call it a balls up is massively unfair in my opinion. We were lucky that not long after Jack came back in, Mings helped settled the defence and we instantly looked better and Steer was a really safe pair of hands behind all of it. But I think Nyland and Kalinic would have looked better than having to play behind a very injured Chester, a calamitous Hutton and non existent midfield. 
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Mister E on July 09, 2019, 05:28:32 PM
Kalinic came in playing behind a disaster of a defence at a time out form really started to dip. Then he gets a whack to the head followed by a long term knee injury. Granted he could have done some things better himself but to call it a balls up is massively unfair in my opinion. We were lucky that not long after Jack came back in, Mings helped settled the defence and we instantly looked better and Steer was a really safe pair of hands behind all of it. But I think Nyland and Kalinic would have looked better than having to play behind a very injured Chester, a calamitous Hutton and non existent midfield. 
Both Nyland and Kal suffered from dreadful defences in front of them; agreed.
Now, with a full close season and a more imposing defence, which would you keep? - based on what I saw last season, it would have to be Kal. Nyland was poor, notwithstanding the defence in front of him (I was at SheffU for the nadir of his very porous Villa career to date!).
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Ger Regan on July 09, 2019, 05:50:14 PM
I'd keep Kalinic of the two, if we have to choose. He's got a much better pedigree than Nyland.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Risso on July 09, 2019, 05:54:27 PM
Difficult one.  Both looked desperately poor, albeit when the rest of the team was shit as well.  Kalinic has the pedigree I suppose, although I don't think he was necessarily Smith's choice.  He just didn't seem to have the reflexes you need for English football.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: LeeB on July 09, 2019, 05:56:44 PM
I think Nyland would be alright if he didn't have empty crisp packets where his hands should be.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 09, 2019, 05:59:01 PM
Keepers don't get a free pass from me just because they're playing behind a poor defence.  Sure it makes life more difficult for them but it's up to them to rise to that challenge.  Neither Nyland nor Kalinic did that.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Risso on July 09, 2019, 06:05:15 PM
I think Nyland would be alright if he didn't have empty crisp packets where his hands should be.

Kalinic going down like the tinman in rainy season isn't ideal either though.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Three Spires Villa on July 09, 2019, 06:07:49 PM
Personally I donít think either of them are good enough. New keeper with Steer please. Debut by Kali in the cup was poor
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 09, 2019, 06:13:25 PM
If we got a new keeper Kalinic is gone. Heís the current Croatia number 1. Nyland is fine as competing for the back up spot.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: dcdavecollett on July 10, 2019, 06:08:34 PM
I read somewhere that the Kalinic deal was being set up when Bruce was still manager.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: manic-road on January 08, 2020, 10:11:36 PM
Another good performance tonight from Orjan, commanded his six yard box on crosses and stopped a few good shots. Also made some good saves against Liverpool in the last round of the cup, I would like to see us strengthen other parts of the team before going for another keeper.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: phantom limb on January 08, 2020, 10:15:08 PM
I always felt he got a bit of a raw deal, coming from another league in another country and chucked in behind a makeshift defence while Bruce was losing the plot. The time out of the team and training with the other keepers has obviously helped him a lot, he looks much more confident.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 08, 2020, 10:19:08 PM
He's got a very 1940s German appearance.

If you imagine him in black and white, he has a very 'being dragged out of a foxhole in the ruins of 1945 Berlin by Russian soldiers in newsreel footage' look about him.

Anyway, who cares about that, he's done very well recently.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on January 08, 2020, 10:20:21 PM
He's got a very 1940s German appearance.

If you imagine him in black and white, he has a very 'being dragged out of a foxhole in the ruins of 1945 Berlin by Russian soldiers in newsreel footage' look about him.

Anyway, who cares about that, he's done very well recently.

Did you just describe our goalkeeper as looking like a Nazi?
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: PeterWithe on January 08, 2020, 10:22:27 PM
He's got a very 1940s German appearance.

If you imagine him in black and white, he has a very 'being dragged out of a foxhole in the ruins of 1945 Berlin by Russian soldiers in newsreel footage' look about him.

Anyway, who cares about that, he's done very well recently.

He needs a duelling scar.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 08, 2020, 10:25:20 PM
He's got a very 1940s German appearance.

If you imagine him in black and white, he has a very 'being dragged out of a foxhole in the ruins of 1945 Berlin by Russian soldiers in newsreel footage' look about him.

Anyway, who cares about that, he's done very well recently.

Did you just describe our goalkeeper as looking like a Nazi?

No, I said he looks like a 1940s German soldier*

For balance, James Milner always used to look like a footballer from a 1950s comic strip. Called Reg, probably.

Lansbury looks like an extra from the Great Gatsby. And plays like one, too.


* not all 1940s German soldiers were Nazis, anyway, he might have been a frightened 15 year old given a panzerfaust and sent out to hold the Russians back. Pope Benedict XVI was a German soldier, too.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: supertom on January 08, 2020, 10:25:39 PM
Just before that injury Orjan was beginning to improve in fairness to him, and indeed our backline didn't make it easy. He didn't get the benefit of Tyrone from January.
I've been really impressed with him since he's come back in, particularly the manner of having to come on during the league games like he did in his first couple of appearances. That's never easy because he probably felt like he'd never play for us again then suddenly Steer and then Heaton are being stretchered off. Fair play, I guess things have fallen for him and like Jed last year, he's taken the chance with...errr...both...hands...yeah...he's a Norwegian international so he was never as bad as he looked early last season. It's a position where some players need patience and arguably the one, because the errors almost always lead to conceding, where you get the least.
Quality performance today and he really did not deserve to concede a pisser of a goal like that. I really hope he keeps it up. Heaton has made errors but almost by virtue of being English and having been round the block here a bit it's almost brushed off. You come from overseas and drop a clanger and you can be written off after a few games.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 08, 2020, 10:28:21 PM
Heaton has made errors but almost by virtue of being English and having been round the block here a bit it's almost brushed off. You come from overseas and drop a clanger and you can be written off after a few games.

I think there's probably a bit of truth to that.

I wonder how Nyland or Kalinic would have been treated had they conceded a penalty after 45 seconds of their debut for us.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: supertom on January 08, 2020, 10:28:51 PM
He's got a very 1940s German appearance.

If you imagine him in black and white, he has a very 'being dragged out of a foxhole in the ruins of 1945 Berlin by Russian soldiers in newsreel footage' look about him.

Anyway, who cares about that, he's done very well recently.

Did you just describe our goalkeeper as looking like a Nazi?

No, I said he looks like a 1940s German soldier*

For balance, James Milner always used to look like a footballer from a 1950s comic strip. Called Reg, probably.

Lansbury looks like an extra from the Great Gatsby. And plays like one, too.


* not all 1940s German soldiers were Nazis, anyway, he might have been a frightened 15 year old given a panzerfaust and sent out to hold the Russians back. Pope Benedict XVI was a German soldier, too.
Our Jack just needs a bit of tweed and a Baker Boy cap and he'll be a peaky blinder.
Anwar can spray paint himself orange and he'll be a perfect Cris-Ron lookalike.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: supertom on January 08, 2020, 10:33:00 PM
Heaton has made errors but almost by virtue of being English and having been round the block here a bit it's almost brushed off. You come from overseas and drop a clanger and you can be written off after a few games.

I think there's probably a bit of truth to that.

I wonder how Nyland or Kalinic would have been treated had they conceded a penalty after 45 seconds of their debut for us.

There's a big expectation I think with being the new keeper (particularly given us burning through them like no tomorrow in finding a solid Post-Friedel option). Everyone knows Heaton's good and what he does well, you almost over look a dropped cross etc. (Not suggesting Heaton has been less than stellar I should say, he's arguably been POTY up until last week).
Kalinic came with a decent reputation as well and many of us were quite excited to see him come over. He got written off too quickly. I don't think there's a way back for him, if only because it seems like he wants out. I hope we keep Nyland though and in the end he proves good value.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 08, 2020, 10:35:23 PM
Heaton has made errors but almost by virtue of being English and having been round the block here a bit it's almost brushed off. You come from overseas and drop a clanger and you can be written off after a few games.

I think there's probably a bit of truth to that.

I wonder how Nyland or Kalinic would have been treated had they conceded a penalty after 45 seconds of their debut for us.

There's a big expectation I think with being the new keeper (particularly given us burning through them like no tomorrow in finding a solid Post-Friedel option). Everyone knows Heaton's good and what he does well, you almost over look a dropped cross etc. (Not suggesting Heaton has been less than stellar I should say, he's arguably been POTY up until last week).
Kalinic came with a decent reputation as well and many of us were quite excited to see him come over. He got written off too quickly. I don't think there's a way back for him, if only because it seems like he wants out. I hope we keep Nyland though and in the end he proves good value.

Just going on the other holes in the squad - lest we forget, we've just started a match without a striker, because we don't have one - the need for a new keeper drops down the list, add in the fact that Nyland is looking more reliable it it looks even more unnecessary.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Louzie0 on January 08, 2020, 10:36:07 PM
Well played, Orjan
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Pete3206 on January 08, 2020, 10:51:35 PM
Absolutely.

A blinder
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: West Derby Villan on January 08, 2020, 11:23:46 PM
Played really well. His positioning was spot on and he confident to come off his line to collect the crosses. Excellent performance, well done Orjan
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Villafirst on January 08, 2020, 11:41:10 PM
We need to keep Nyland. He could be a good replacement for Heaton. Do we really need Reina? Or is Steer's injury more longterm than first diagnosed ?
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Mellin on January 09, 2020, 01:10:18 AM
He's got a very 1940s German appearance.

If you imagine him in black and white, he has a very 'being dragged out of a foxhole in the ruins of 1945 Berlin by Russian soldiers in newsreel footage' look about him.

Anyway, who cares about that, he's done very well recently.

It's a fair shout. Always felt like Tommy Hitz probably bombed about in a panzer in a previous life.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Brassneck on January 09, 2020, 01:38:45 AM
Yet again, he's done really well when called upon.

I'm not his biggest fan. However, just as I believe any other position in the team should be in similar circumstances, it's his place to lose moving forward.

I especially like his height and his confidence to collect crosses. We saw one at Burnley and another one tonight.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: London Villan on January 09, 2020, 01:47:32 AM
Heís stepped up his game, improved where he was poor and built on his strengths. Fair play.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: KRS on January 09, 2020, 04:56:43 AM
He looks like a completely different keeper to the one we were all terrified of seeing in goal last season. Very much improved and seems to be maturing with confidence. Fairplay Orjan.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: jwarry on January 09, 2020, 05:34:57 AM
Wonder if our GK has helped?
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: OzVilla on January 09, 2020, 05:39:15 AM
Looked safe as houses whenever heís played. Amazed as I wouldnít have given you tuppence for him 6 months ago. Good on him.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: sid1964 on January 09, 2020, 06:55:11 AM
proved all the doubters wrong! - hopefully his form will continue for the rest of this season
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Chris Smith on January 09, 2020, 07:26:33 AM
Heaton has made errors but almost by virtue of being English and having been round the block here a bit it's almost brushed off. You come from overseas and drop a clanger and you can be written off after a few games.

I think there's probably a bit of truth to that.

I wonder how Nyland or Kalinic would have been treated had they conceded a penalty after 45 seconds of their debut for us.

There's a big expectation I think with being the new keeper (particularly given us burning through them like no tomorrow in finding a solid Post-Friedel option). Everyone knows Heaton's good and what he does well, you almost over look a dropped cross etc. (Not suggesting Heaton has been less than stellar I should say, he's arguably been POTY up until last week).
Kalinic came with a decent reputation as well and many of us were quite excited to see him come over. He got written off too quickly. I don't think there's a way back for him, if only because it seems like he wants out. I hope we keep Nyland though and in the end he proves good value.

Just going on the other holes in the squad - lest we forget, we've just started a match without a striker, because we don't have one - the need for a new keeper drops down the list, add in the fact that Nyland is looking more reliable it it looks even more unnecessary.

It does but we will be in real trouble if he gets injured so some cover is needed in the short term.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: dave shelley on January 09, 2020, 09:18:58 AM
He's got a very 1940s German appearance.

If you imagine him in black and white, he has a very 'being dragged out of a foxhole in the ruins of 1945 Berlin by Russian soldiers in newsreel footage' look about him.

Anyway, who cares about that, he's done very well recently.

He needs a duelling scar.

And a monacle.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Drummond on January 09, 2020, 02:23:02 PM
He's done well. There's next to no pressure on him as there's no expectancy being the third choice keeper. When he first came, he was chucked in the team, in front of a less than stellar side and struggled.

Fingers crossed.

Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Vill I An on January 10, 2020, 04:54:01 PM
My take on Nyland and the bigger picture of goal keepers available currently is that he is to be in the team until we sign an experienced goal keeper.
The serious talk of Pepe Reina is satisfying to me and feel it's diligent to have a player of this know how to come and be the goal keeper.
There is no messing around now . It's crucial to have an experienced head be it Reina or someone to come and be part of the villa squad.
If Nyland can go from strength to strength then brilliant however just like in the summer Steer was ousted for the experienced and excellent Heaton for me Reina to come boss the nets would be the wise and right move.

Now Nyland has shown some positive signs however I'm not totally convinced or would be expecting him to be our hope as it's far too risky a move.
Something we have learnt with Wesley at top end.
Nyland excelles with the one and one saves, makes himself and has been a bit more steady on crosses all be it straightforward so far.

But I see a reality with his lack of authority and personality in both commanding the area and sorting the defence.
His distribution by feet is pretty limited and inaccurate and he has shown previous his poor handling when under pressure . He can't be relied upon  in a relgation battle .
I still see him as someone who can be still very much have an error prone game.

I'm all for giving a chance however the suitability and request by Dean Smith (and myself) to have an experienced goal keeper indicates that Nyland is a back up and limited and that there is no way a risk is needed when have opportunity to bring in a player who has been an elite performer and part of world cup winning squads.

Hands down Reina would be in for me as we know what we get with him
If Nyland makes an error how sure he has the strength to cope. And he will make an error. Based on last form .
My own assessment is that Nyland has ability to make the shot stops but his overall game is severely limited.
It really is a leap of faith to have the Norwegian as our number1 , having the bottle, after has let villa down in past.
I just can't take that risk with this guy based on a few saves and that he hasn't yet dropped a cross.
(Those will come)

So having another GK is essential as if we persist with Nyland then an experienced back up to come in if Norwegian fails us Reina can come and do the job.

I think if we signed Reina he be automatically seen as number 1
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 10, 2020, 09:00:22 PM
Heís done really well.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: CT on January 10, 2020, 09:05:53 PM
Back on the bench as of next week then!
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: danno on January 10, 2020, 09:46:19 PM
Steer didn't do anything wrong and lost a starting berth, if Reina is better play him.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Vill I An on January 10, 2020, 10:01:11 PM
Football terms it's different leagues.
Reina been involved at world class level and has proven ability and is known the European football world over.
Really Nyland should be understudy to a man of Reina's class and ability.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Ad@m on January 11, 2020, 08:22:55 AM
At 29 he shouldn't be an understudy to anyone if he's ambitious.

Signing Reina shows Dean doesn't rate him, despite his good recent performances so I can see him moving in on the summer.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: AV82EC on January 11, 2020, 08:25:49 AM
At 29 he shouldn't be an understudy to anyone if he's ambitious.

Signing Reina shows Dean doesn't rate him, despite his good recent performances so I can see him moving in on the summer.

So how do you know heís being signed as the No 1?
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Ad@m on January 11, 2020, 08:29:14 AM
Having just started a match without a single striker on the pitch, that's clearly the priority.

Signing another goalie, when Steer is also about to return to the squad suggests Dean thinks Nyland isn't up to it.

If Dean trusted Nyland he wouldn't be wasting 1 of our 2 loan signings on a 3rd choice keeper.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Luke8 on January 11, 2020, 09:30:07 AM
Having just started a match without a single striker on the pitch, that's clearly the priority.

Signing another goalie, when Steer is also about to return to the squad suggests Dean thinks Nyland isn't up to it.

If Dean trusted Nyland he wouldn't be wasting 1 of our 2 loan signings on a 3rd choice keeper.

Clearly a striker is a priority, I doubt anyone at the clubs disputes that. I imagine itís possible that they can be working on various deals at the same time and for various reason this one was easier/quicker to complete.

Re - Steer. Hasnít Dean Smith spoken recently about him still being out for a couple of months? If thatís the case it would be a fair amount of games to rely on a goalkeeper who, while being good recently, was rather indifferent for us last season. Plus, Iím guessing Kalanic is quite likely to leave in this transfer window.

With the loan restrictions, is it not just two players on loan from English clubs? Iím not certain, but I thought you could loan more players from clubs in other countries.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Risso on January 28, 2020, 09:50:31 PM
Has to start in the final for me.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Newby on January 28, 2020, 09:52:07 PM
Great to see him doing the pogo with the fans after the game.  Three great saves.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: KevinGage on January 28, 2020, 09:52:44 PM
Haven't been a fan of his overall.

And he'd still give me kittens if he was in the side for an extended period.

But he'd be very unlucky to miss the final after his contribution in both legs.  Glad I don't have to make that decision.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Ian J on January 28, 2020, 09:54:30 PM
Amazing performance. Some really outstanding saves from Nyland
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: ez on January 28, 2020, 09:54:50 PM
Surely he won't be dropped after that.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 28, 2020, 09:56:21 PM
What a bloody performance. Heís been excellent this year.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Edvard Remberg on January 28, 2020, 11:00:52 PM
Think he could improve over time learning from our no 1 keepers
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 28, 2020, 11:01:38 PM
He's been very good when called upon this season. Well done fella.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: PeterWithe on January 28, 2020, 11:23:55 PM
Utterly brilliant, and Iíve not been a big fan up to now.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: TonyD on January 28, 2020, 11:41:37 PM
3 world class saves in the first half tonight.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: aldridgeboy on January 28, 2020, 11:41:57 PM
Magnificent tonight. I was in North Stand , three incredible saves. The one on to the bar, genuinely a worldy.

Should play the final ( if not next weekend )
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Brassneck on January 28, 2020, 11:44:50 PM
One of the few occasions I let my heart rule my head where the Villa are concerned:

Reina should start on Saturday (and thereafter) if fit but Nyland should start in the cup final.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Matt C on January 29, 2020, 04:17:13 AM
Agree with that.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: OzVilla on January 29, 2020, 04:25:12 AM
This bloke deserves huge credit for turning it around, he was bang ordinary last season.  His tip on to the bar was reminiscent of Steer's against the Tesco's in the play off semi at VP.  Tremendous save.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 29, 2020, 05:40:25 AM
Love the bloke.
What a performance,


Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: nigel on January 29, 2020, 07:49:36 AM
Has to start in the final for me.

Canít see Dean doing to Nyland what MOíN did to Guzan for the final.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: JD on January 29, 2020, 07:55:44 AM
Has to start in the final for me.

Totally agree Martin, he deserves his big day out at Wembley.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on January 29, 2020, 08:56:24 AM
I wasn't sure about the Reina signing as I thought Nyland had really stepped up every time he's been called upon this season and once again he was outstanding.

I was wrong about Reina - he has looked great so far and I'm delighted we've got him.  But Nyland is very unlucky to lhave lost his place and I agree with others he's absolutely earn't his place for the final.

If nothing else he has surely put several million on his price tag should we need to sell him in the summer.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Luke8 on January 29, 2020, 09:01:56 AM
Not that it matters, but I actually thought his best save was the one low down from Maddisonís shot. Had a great game and difficult to say he doesnít deserve a chance in the final.

One thing I would say though, that seemed noticeable to me, was that we did seem to avoid going back to his feet a lot more than we have been doing with Reina. This may have been by instruction, as Leicester do press high and we are still a work in progress with regards to playing out from the back in this formation, but Reina has certainly helped retain possession more when he has played.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: SW9-VILLA on January 29, 2020, 09:05:04 AM
Won us the game last night tbh. He's come on so much from last season when even his kicking was terrible.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: olaftab on January 29, 2020, 09:15:33 AM
This boy is our future goalkeeper. Should be permanent first teamer once Tom is done.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on January 29, 2020, 09:23:54 AM
Someone, I think it was PWS, said before the game that he either has games where he looks world class or quite the opposite, and hoped it would be the former. Thankfully last night he was absolutely exceptional. I can't praise him enough for some of those saves.

Personally I really like him, and when Reina was first mooted I said he should feel hard done by and that I'd prefer to see Orjan get a run, however I do think we're prone to latch on to the most recent performance a player has and flip-flop between extremes. Reflecting on it, he's probably realistically a shade off being consistent enough to be our #1 choice in the Premier League at the moment. Hard to see that changing under Smith who clearly values an experienced head between the sticks over the occasional heroics i.e. Steer's penalty saves last year or Orjan's fingertip saves last night.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: stevo_st on January 29, 2020, 09:24:20 AM
I get what youíre saying, but Nyland is 29, baby faced but not a boy, so should be coming into his peak
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Diablo on January 29, 2020, 01:09:04 PM
Won us the game last night tbh. He's come on so much from last season when even his kicking was terrible.
I agree but as fantastic as he was and instrumental in the win, I'd still play Reina in the final. There's little room for sentiment and as you say his distribution is not a patch on Reina's who for me makes the defence much more confident and effective who in turn, give much more assured error ridden performances. Really tough call but as difficult as it is Reina would be one of the first names on my final team sheet.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Bren'd on January 29, 2020, 01:36:02 PM
You play your best team possible in important games. If the manager sees Reina as our best option then he should play him.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: supertom on January 29, 2020, 02:11:52 PM
I think Nyland has done well throughout this season when called upon. I kind of forgive him for the Man City game because theres not much a keeper can do when the defence and midfield just open up like the red sea. To be fair too, of late we've generally been improving looking more organised, so that was hopefully a blip for everyone. I think we've seen a bit of a turnaround since the 3 at the back switch.

I've no qualms about Nyland starting regularly, but by the same token, Reina's experience is important for us in the situation we're in.
For me Nyland should start in the final though. He's earned that. We're probably going to face City too, so we have a chance to make amends for that 6-1 capitulation.


Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 29, 2020, 02:54:17 PM
Iím sure injury aside he will start in the final. And I canít imagine Reina being upset about it who will likely play all league games as long heís fit. It brilliant to have two very solid keepers at the club with another one in Heaton who will come back next season hopefully fully fit.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Drummond on January 29, 2020, 02:56:52 PM
I'd definitely stick Reina in. Nyland on the bench to come on later when we're already 3-0 up.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Drummond on January 29, 2020, 03:13:38 PM
Just to qualify that, I think we're a better team with Reina, he communicates really well, has experienced the big occasion and has pedigree.

It's tough on Nyland, but that's the game.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: KevinGage on January 29, 2020, 05:38:59 PM
I wouldn't have been distraught at going out last night, as we all know we have bigger priorities this season. I just wanted to see some sort of response after the league game in Jan.

But now we're in a one-off final we have to go full pelt. That means play your best possible XI. The only caveat to that is if Reina is managing any sort of injury Nyland should go straight in.

24 years since we last won a major trophy. If we're hoping to view the last 10 years as an aberration in our overall history and not the new norm, it means playing the strongest possible side in the final with a view to winning the plucking thing.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: darren woolley on January 30, 2020, 04:07:30 PM
I'm so pleased for Orjan he was brilliant from were I was sitting in the Trinity I could see those saves perfectly he kept us in it with those saves.
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Mellin on January 30, 2020, 04:43:17 PM
Iím sure injury aside he will start in the final. And I canít imagine Reina being upset about it who will likely play all league games as long heís fit. It brilliant to have two very solid keepers at the club with another one in Heaton who will come back next season hopefully fully fit.

Don't forget Jed Steer. We arguably wouldn't be here if not for him. Very blessed in that department at the minute (even if two of them are injured).
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Monty on January 30, 2020, 04:45:13 PM
No room for sentiment. From what I've seen Reina can still match Nyland in the saving department, and his distribution and command of the area (as well as experience organising the defence) is much much greater. Watch him start now and drop the biggest of bollocks, but he's who I'd go with (sorry Orjan!).
Title: Re: Orjan Nyland - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 30, 2020, 08:39:47 PM
Either will be fine. Nyland has the edge on athleticism; Reina on everything else. A good problem to have, for once.