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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Toronto Villa on July 26, 2018, 11:25:15 PM
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I’m not convinced by Jed Steer and certainly not Mark Bunn. Another young lad so will see how he does. Being suggested in a few place he’ll be here for the season
Obligatory YouTube
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Big, seems to distribute well. Anything that makes Bunn the number 3 is good for me.
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22 year old that Atletico thought enough of to give him a long term contract that has another 4 years to run.
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Thanks.
So welcome Andre!
And if he turns out to be 2/3 to 3/4 as good as Johnson then happy . Can't afford half as good as SJ !
Feel we will miss him but hope this Keeper holds up well and kicks the ball well too!
I would be concerned about him intergrating with the other two GKs but hope they welcome him and he may have to get use to English culture as much as championship. Football culture. Certainly Bruce will be using that one .
Wolves dare I see had success with portugese players however I will still be envious (sorry) of wba and Johnstone and Stoke if butland remains.
What was necessary was another GK time will tell if he's up to mark but also if Bruce is willing to play and start him .
Maybe this is an indication of who making signings as with due respect is this a Bruce signing or a recommendation.
However I shouldn't discredit Brucey loves a bit if Portugal sun and golf so maybe he saw him out there !
Up the Villa ! Intrigued and welcomed that it's a signing all be it loan !
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If he's only played 45 times, I am guessing that every save he's made is on that clip!
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Welcome, Andre. Don't let any bastards score. Simple.
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Enckelman mk II
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Yeah, thanks for that.
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Can't believe I've just sat and watched 4mins of video of a goalkeeper who can't hold onto the ball.
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Dubious about this one.
GK is one of those positions where I wouldn't actually mind a dull, reliable Steve Bruce signing. Like the bloke who was at Wolves last year whose name escapes me.
Crosses are a big part of the game here, particularly in the Championship. Gollini had talent, but couldn't marshal the backline and was gave me kittens any time the ball came in from wide.
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Enckelman mk II
Holy cow.
Sweet Bebby Jeezus.
Fuck a duck and then shove an orange in its beak and roast it at 170 degrees (fan oven) until it's well fucked.
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Dubious about this one.
GK is one of those positions where I wouldn't actually mind a dull, reliable Steve Bruce signing. Like the bloke who was at Wolves last year whose name escapes me.
Crosses are a big part of the game here, particularly in the Championship. Gollini had talent, but couldn't marshal the backline and was gave me kittens any time the ball came in from wide.
John Ruddy?
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Blimey footyskillz. He better be 100% as good as Johnstone any less and he’ll be rubbish. I’m hoping he’s better than Johnstone because our other keepers are awful
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Johnstone was ok no more no less and as now departed. Let's look forward and give the lad a chance.
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Funny to read the Mirror reporting that he has signed, very positive article, the day after Brucie is staying :-) mates rates?
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heheheh. i know all goalkeepers make howlers but being unable to trap the ball under no pressure is a pretty big disadvantage for a 'keeper. what's he gonna be like with some nasty championship forward chasing him down when he gets a hospital pass?
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well we're going to find out pretty soon aren't we, but why not give him a chance first?
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Blimey footyskillz. He better be 100% as good as Johnstone any less and he’ll be rubbish. I’m hoping he’s better than Johnstone because our other keepers are awful
It's just we saw SJ develop and literally saved Villa numerous occasions .
The GK is an important position and will need to be ready to cope with the demands of playing. Hopefully he's at a stage to take on challenge of being a no 1
He looks to have a build like that of the talented ac Milans Donnarumma both 6'5 and that tall frame mixed with agility .
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well we're going to find out pretty soon aren't we, but why not give him a chance first?
This.
Be nice if people wait until he has played at least a minute for us before writing him off.
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What's weird is didn't we try this experiment with Gollini ? Young inexperienced over seaskeeper who Bruce quickly got rid of for someone ,though still young had some league exp ..
That said I guess it's tough getting in an exp keeper when United and Chelsea are snapping up Grant and Green
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we sacked off Gollini too quickly in my opinion.
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I can't see Andre Moreira being our first choice keeper.
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we sacked off Gollini too quickly in my opinion.
Agreed.
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Moreira the better.
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I’m not convinced by Jed Steer and certainly not Mark Bunn. Another young lad so will see how he does. Being suggested in a few place he’ll be here for the season
Obligatory YouTube
I could have saved all of them and im 55
Err no thanks
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I see him more as Steve Round's leaving gift. Third choice keeper.
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Seems a pointless signing ..... unless a keeper is going to be number one choice then I would have thought Bunn was ok as number two ....he was last season
Surely money would be better spent elsewhere
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Seems a pointless signing ..... unless a keeper is going to be number one choice then I would have thought Bunn was ok as number two ....he was last season
Surely money would be better spent elsewhere
Given the amount of injuries Steer has had I think it's fairly sensible to have a 3rd keeper, I don't rate Bunn at all so anything that reduces the risk of him playing a run of games is good by me. If, however, this guy starts then I think it's fair to say that Bruce just doesn't like Steer.
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I can't see Andre Moreira being our first choice keeper.
I doubt we’d bring a player in on loan who wasn’t going to start.
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Tuanzebe? Onomah?
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I mean now. Bearing in mind timings and especially as we’ve got enough reserve keepers.
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we sacked off Gollini too quickly in my opinion.
Agreed.
Bruce seemed to suggest that it was a bit too much for him the move the culture and styles.
I guess he was nt suited .
Especially after the Italian coaching staff left .
My worry would be same with Andre that adapting to UK have to be mentally strong and that get in the team and learn from errors which will be highlighted even more as a gk. And he will make errors what keeper doesn't. It's how he handles and how he's supported by club team and fans
Look at karius he is having almighty struggles after that champions league final.
That's with him for life what he did
As lampard so dramatically put it on bt sport.
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Seems a FFP signing and may indicate that the new owners will comply.
Selling Grealish on deadline day perhaps.
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I support are new keeper
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I can't see Andre Moreira being our first choice keeper.
I doubt we’d bring a player in on loan who wasn’t going to start.
You'd hope not but Andre Moreira has made 10 league appearances over the last 2 years for Belenenses, a club the size of Walsall. See the howler video. He did miss 4 months out injured last season so may go some way to explain his lack of games.
He had a good U19 UEFA Tournament for Portugal back in 2014, got signed up by Jorges Mendes, signed up by Atletico Madrid and been out on loan ever since, most of the time not getting a game. Admittedly he's still young at 22 though rising through the Portugal U19s and U20s, he only made one appearance for the U21s.
There's no doubt he has potential but to put him straight in to the Villa first team?
Edit:That howler was on his first team debut for Belenenses in an empty stadium.
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I can't see Andre Moreira being our first choice keeper.
I doubt we’d bring a player in on loan who wasn’t going to start.
You'd hope not but Andre Moreira has made 10 league appearances over the last 2 years for Belenenses, a club the size of Walsall. See the howler video.
He had a good U19 UEFA Tournament for Portugal back in 2014, got signed up by Jorges Mendes, signed up by Atletico Madrid and been out on loan ever since, most of the time not getting a game. Admittedly he's still young at 22 though rising through the Portugal U19s and U20s, he only made one appearance for the U21s.
There's no doubt he has potential but to put him straight in to the Villa first team?
Out of interest, had you heard of him before yesterday?
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I can't see Andre Moreira being our first choice keeper.
I doubt we’d bring a player in on loan who wasn’t going to start.
You'd hope not but Andre Moreira has made 10 league appearances over the last 2 years for Belenenses, a club the size of Walsall. See the howler video.
He had a good U19 UEFA Tournament for Portugal back in 2014, got signed up by Jorges Mendes, signed up by Atletico Madrid and been out on loan ever since, most of the time not getting a game. Admittedly he's still young at 22 though rising through the Portugal U19s and U20s, he only made one appearance for the U21s.
There's no doubt he has potential but to put him straight in to the Villa first team?
Out of interest, had you heard of him before yesterday?
Yes, Sporting (my other useless team) were offered him as part of a deal with Atletico. They turned him down.
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I can't see Andre Moreira being our first choice keeper.
I doubt we’d bring a player in on loan who wasn’t going to start.
You'd hope not but Andre Moreira has made 10 league appearances over the last 2 years for Belenenses, a club the size of Walsall. See the howler video.
He had a good U19 UEFA Tournament for Portugal back in 2014, got signed up by Jorges Mendes, signed up by Atletico Madrid and been out on loan ever since, most of the time not getting a game. Admittedly he's still young at 22 though rising through the Portugal U19s and U20s, he only made one appearance for the U21s.
There's no doubt he has potential but to put him straight in to the Villa first team?
Out of interest, had you heard of him before yesterday?
Yes, Sporting (my other useless team) were offered him as part of a deal with Atletico. They turned him down.
Ah, ok. Fair enough, it's just that what you wrote in your previous post is pretty close to what is written on Wikipedia about him and you seemed surprised by the 'howler' video.
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Really. I'm surprised Wiki have a page for him as he's played so few games. Benfica were sniffing around earlier this month but turned him down too. Most agree he has potential but certainly no where near ready for the first team.
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Really. I'm surprised Wiki have a page for him as he's played so few games. Benfica were sniffing around earlier this month but turned him down too. Most agree he has potential but certainly no where near ready for the first team.
Yes, this is what is on Wikipedia.
In August 2014, after impressing with the Portuguese under-19 team at the 2014 UEFA European Championship, Moreira was sold to Jorge Mendes' GestiFute and signed a six-year deal with Atlético Madrid.[1] He was immediately loaned to Primeira Liga side Moreirense FC,[2] making his professional debut on 28 December 2014 by starting in a 2–0 home win against F.C. Arouca for the season's Taça da Liga.[3]
Moreira's first and only cap for the under-21s occurred on 11 October 2016, in a 7–1 friendly routing of Liechtenstein.[12]
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That's detailed compared to his page here and so much more interesting. Thanks.
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Really. I'm surprised Wiki have a page for him as he's played so few games. Benfica were sniffing around earlier this month but turned him down too. Most agree he has potential but certainly no where near ready for the first team.
Yes, this is what is on Wikipedia.
In August 2014, after impressing with the Portuguese under-19 team at the 2014 UEFA European Championship, Moreira was sold to Jorge Mendes' GestiFute and signed a six-year deal with Atlético Madrid.[1] He was immediately loaned to Primeira Liga side Moreirense FC,[2] making his professional debut on 28 December 2014 by starting in a 2–0 home win against F.C. Arouca for the season's Taça da Liga.[3]
Moreira's first and only cap for the under-21s occurred on 11 October 2016, in a 7–1 friendly routing of Liechtenstein.[12]
He let one in against Liechtenstein? 😲
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blimey - off with his head!
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Johnstone was ok no more no less and as now departed. Let's look forward and give the lad a chance.
Ok
Are you serious? Up to Xmas he was far and away our player of the season
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As it happens I am serious - and our best player up to Christmas was irrefutably Albert who had bagged a lot of goals to keep us in the running. Do you actually go to games? Johnstone was bang average - no better than Gollini - and his distribution was lamentable for a professional footballer. He was guaranteed to lose us possession every time he kicked the ball. Get real.
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As it happens I am serious - and our best player up to Christmas was irrefutably Albert who had bagged a lot of goals to keep us in the running. Do you actually go to games? Johnstone was bang average - no better than Gollini - and his distribution was lamentable for a professional footballer. He was guaranteed to lose us possession every time he kicked the ball. Get real.
Johnstone was very good for us last season and was way better than Gollinni who if memory serves me right cost us a few points in those early games he played in. Oh and telling someome who has a differnet opinion to you to 'get real' is a bit naff really.
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Really. I'm surprised Wiki have a page for him as he's played so few games. Benfica were sniffing around earlier this month but turned him down too. Most agree he has potential but certainly no where near ready for the first team.
Yes, this is what is on Wikipedia.
In August 2014, after impressing with the Portuguese under-19 team at the 2014 UEFA European Championship, Moreira was sold to Jorge Mendes' GestiFute and signed a six-year deal with Atlético Madrid.[1] He was immediately loaned to Primeira Liga side Moreirense FC,[2] making his professional debut on 28 December 2014 by starting in a 2–0 home win against F.C. Arouca for the season's Taça da Liga.[3]
Moreira's first and only cap for the under-21s occurred on 11 October 2016, in a 7–1 friendly routing of Liechtenstein.[12]
He let one in against Liechtenstein? 😲
No. Seven.
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Why hasn't he been announced?
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As it happens I am serious - and our best player up to Christmas was irrefutably Albert who had bagged a lot of goals to keep us in the running. Do you actually go to games? Johnstone was bang average - no better than Gollini - and his distribution was lamentable for a professional footballer. He was guaranteed to lose us possession every time he kicked the ball. Get real.
Johnstone was very good for us last season and was way better than Gollinni who if memory serves me right cost us a few points in those early games he played in. Oh and telling someome who has a differnet opinion to you to 'get real' is a bit naff really.
Johnstone was excellent last season throughout and the half season before after he'd settled in. My only critisism of him is choosing to join Olbyiun, he clearly needs advise with his life choices but there was very little to pick at with his goalkeeping. Pretty much a top half Premier League GK already.
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Seems to be a picture doing the rounds of him in a Villa training top so assume it's done.
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Very unusual this one, wonder why this hasn’t been announced? Maybe some forms need faxing.
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Apparently he's here in Dresden but I haven't seen him yet
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As it happens I am serious - and our best player up to Christmas was irrefutably Albert who had bagged a lot of goals to keep us in the running. Do you actually go to games? Johnstone was bang average - no better than Gollini - and his distribution was lamentable for a professional footballer. He was guaranteed to lose us possession every time he kicked the ball. Get real.
Johnstone was very good for us last season and was way better than Gollinni who if memory serves me right cost us a few points in those early games he played in. Oh and telling someome who has a differnet opinion to you to 'get real' is a bit naff really.
Johnstone was excellent last season throughout and the half season before after he'd settled in. My only critisism of him is choosing to join Olbyiun, he clearly needs advise with his life choices but there was very little to pick at with his goalkeeping. Pretty much a top half Premier League GK already.
I'm with mr u on this. After what we've had to watch over recent years, it's perhaps easier to be more one-eyed about our own players when they're anything better than, well, gash.
I made a comment a good while back that had we still been a PL side and we'd bought any of the players we've imported over the last couple of seasons, we'd have been risking our status. I still believe that.
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Apparently he's here in Dresden but I haven't seen him yet
He is I've seen a picture
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Welcome Andre, get us promoted please.
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Good luck Andre
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Aye good luck. Don't try to trap and pass the ball in this division. Just hoof it up field and you'll be the first name on the teamsheet
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especially if your hoofs find a player in Claret & Blue, unlike your predecessor.
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He has made 35 first team appearances. 16 in the Portuguese version of the Championship and 19 in the Portuguese version of the Premier League.
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As it happens I am serious - and our best player up to Christmas was irrefutably Albert who had bagged a lot of goals to keep us in the running. Do you actually go to games? Johnstone was bang average - no better than Gollini - and his distribution was lamentable for a professional footballer. He was guaranteed to lose us possession every time he kicked the ball. Get real.
Johnstone was very good for us last season and was way better than Gollinni who if memory serves me right cost us a few points in those early games he played in. Oh and telling someome who has a differnet opinion to you to 'get real' is a bit naff really.
Johnstone was excellent last season throughout and the half season before after he'd settled in. My only critisism of him is choosing to join Olbyiun, he clearly needs advise with his life choices but there was very little to pick at with his goalkeeping. Pretty much a top half Premier League GK already.
That is why he joined Albion then, no PL teams interested!
Probably slightly above average championship goalkeeper, doesn't command his area at all and his kicking is pretty poor but shot shopping pretty good!
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As it happens I am serious - and our best player up to Christmas was irrefutably Albert who had bagged a lot of goals to keep us in the running. Do you actually go to games? Johnstone was bang average - no better than Gollini - and his distribution was lamentable for a professional footballer. He was guaranteed to lose us possession every time he kicked the ball. Get real.
Johnstone was very good for us last season and was way better than Gollinni who if memory serves me right cost us a few points in those early games he played in. Oh and telling someome who has a differnet opinion to you to 'get real' is a bit naff really.
Johnstone was excellent last season throughout and the half season before after he'd settled in. My only critisism of him is choosing to join Olbyiun, he clearly needs advise with his life choices but there was very little to pick at with his goalkeeping. Pretty much a top half Premier League GK already.
That is why he joined Albion then, no PL teams interested!
Probably slightly above average championship goalkeeper, doesn't command his area at all and his kicking is pretty poor but shot shopping pretty good!
harsh i think. I certainly weren't crapping myself that he was playing for us the last 2 seasons, and i'd rather have had him in goal the season we went down. Maybe a top half premier 'keeper is pushing it a bit but deffo good enough for the premier.. Thing is, once you're in the premier. more experienced international 'keepers are available for the same or less money.
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Is the reason we haven't seen or heard anything about this goalkeeper, the same reason small heath are crapping themselves about a player they signed,but cannot get registered yet I.E an embargo due to FFP?
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Welcome Andre, get us promoted please.
He will. Well, the green one will.
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Is the reason we haven't seen or heard anything about this goalkeeper, the same reason small heath are crapping themselves about a player they signed,but cannot get registered yet I.E an embargo due to FFP?
Looking like he hasn't officially signed yet which explains why there has been no announcement.
It wouldn't have anything to do with fair play because we're safe for another 10 months or so. We can spend/loan what we like this window, provided it all balances out by the end of this coming financial year.
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Down right awful goal keeping by Steer today in Germany.
Really shocking friendly or not .
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Down right awful goal keeping by Steer today in Germany.
Really shocking friendly or not .
Yes, indecision is a big fucking weakness for a goalkeeper.
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Down right awful goal keeping by Steer today in Germany.
Really shocking friendly or not .
Yes, indecision is a big fucking weakness for a goalkeeper.
That's what he said.
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Down right awful goal keeping by Steer today in Germany.
Really shocking friendly or not .
Yes, indecision is a big fucking weakness for a goalkeeper.
That's what he said.
Who, Jed? Fair play for his frank honesty.
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My concern is not signing Moriera but in what position Bruce will play him.
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nice try but I think he's one who will be playing in position.
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So... has he signed or not?
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It’s being suggested in some places that Woodburn and Moreira will be announced in the next 48 hours.
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It’s being suggested in some places that Woodburn and Moreira will be announced in the next 48 hours.
1/8 - Wednesday will be a busy day for the whole league - all due to FFP and accounting
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It’s being suggested in some places that Woodburn and Moreira will be announced in the next 48 hours.
Have we got a H&V representative at Recon training complex for up to date comings and goings ?
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My Sporting-supporting colleague just told me that Moreira is a pile of shit. So bad that even Sporting weren’t interested in him, and they’re shitter than us at the moment
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My Sporting-supporting colleague just told me that Moreira is a pile of shit. So bad that even Sporting weren’t interested in him, and they’re shitter than us at the moment
When your goalkeeper was Rui Patricio before he pissed off to the Dingles, obviously you'd expect better than Moreira. Sporting didn't want Mendes using Sporting to shift his players as a makeweight in the deal with Gelson Martins to Atletico. Moreira isn't shit, he has potential, he's young, he just lacks experience and not the type of keeper we need right now. He'll be used for the League Cup game(s).
Sporting aren't "shittier than us" right now though they're just as bad. Like us they've had a few minor problems in the boardroom this summer.
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And the award for the most optimistic use of the letter 's' in 2018 goes to RCF!
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sounds like shady shit to me
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Welcome to Aston Villa Andre.
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My Sporting-supporting colleague just told me that Moreira is a pile of shit. So bad that even Sporting weren’t interested in him, and they’re shitter than us at the moment
I have received similar missives from my Portuguese comrades. Still, I live in hope because I know that my redeemer liveth.
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I can't see Andre Moreira being our first choice keeper.
I doubt we’d bring a player in on loan who wasn’t going to start.
You'd hope not but Andre Moreira has made 10 league appearances over the last 2 years for Belenenses, a club the size of Walsall. See the howler video.
He had a good U19 UEFA Tournament for Portugal back in 2014, got signed up by Jorges Mendes, signed up by Atletico Madrid and been out on loan ever since, most of the time not getting a game. Admittedly he's still young at 22 though rising through the Portugal U19s and U20s, he only made one appearance for the U21s.
There's no doubt he has potential but to put him straight in to the Villa first team?
Out of interest, had you heard of him before yesterday?
Yes, Sporting (my other useless team) were offered him as part of a deal with Atletico. They turned him down.
Ah, ok. Fair enough, it's just that what you wrote in your previous post is pretty close to what is written on Wikipedia about him and you seemed surprised by the 'howler' video.
I've now put a piece of tape over my PC video camera to stop you seeing how 'surprised' I am every time I see the 'howler'.
I suggest others do likewise. Bloody Russians!
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Are we still waiting for the embargo to be lifted, before we announce this loan deal. This does seem a weird one this, are we doing Mendes a favour in return for his services?
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It's been five days since he travelled with the squad
You do start to wonder if Bruce has resisted this one
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Could we not do any worse than look at Stockdale over at the dog shit?
I am sure he was quite highly rated before joining them
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Finally been announced. Via a 'Love Island' style tweet...
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Finally been announced. Via a 'Love Island' style tweet...
although I have not watched a second of Love Island I thought it was great :)
Welcome Andre...
UTV
The Doc
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Could we not do any worse than look at Stockdale over at the dog shit?
I am sure he was quite highly rated before joining them
He's always liked bobbins when I've seen him
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DjhDiy3XgAAaH-f.jpg:large)
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Finally been announced. Via a 'Love Island' style tweet...
although I have not watched a second of Love Island I thought it was great :)
Welcome Andre...
UTV
The Doc
I thought it was embarrassing.
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People have to get used to these new social media things. They're aimed at a younger generation after all
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It's rather like being given a present on Xmas day that you've bought yourself. Why all the fuss now?
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Finally been announced. Via a 'Love Island' style tweet...
although I have not watched a second of Love Island I thought it was great :)
Welcome Andre...
UTV
The Doc
I thought it was embarrassing.
Why on Earth was that embarrassing?
It was a clever nod to popular culture and using social media. We're leading the way with stuff like this and other organisations are approving. I like that we don't get the staid old man in a suit type statements.
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Twitter lead
https://t.co/I2rwt6RnDK
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Omg tragic!
The tweet not the interview
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Having never watched Love Island, I didn't really get tne tweet anyway but it's just a fun way of announcing signings. It doesn't have to be serious all the time.
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Didn't realise he was such a big lad, Wiki have him down as 6ft 5"!!
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In what has been the dullest transfer window possibly ever, the tweet brought a smile to my face. Well done to whoever made it.
Welcome, Andre. A bit concerned he's either already got a cold or a serious Colombian marching powder habit.
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Twitter lead
https://t.co/I2rwt6RnDK
I'm an old git and found the tweet a little cheesy but - hey! - it's a way for the club to keep trying to be 'current'.
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Welcome Andre, hope you’re awesome and one of a few.
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Let's just get this out of the way - he is crap and we should sell him, way to young and not good enough because he has had a drop.
That's out of the way, welcome and may you be great
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Just how shit must Steer and Bunn feel that they are always looked over?
Although must be a good living for basically keeping for and sitting watching a game each week.
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Well Steer didn’t exactly do himself any favours on Saturday.
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Steer kind of deserves a shot, but his injury record is appalling and his display against Dresden woeful. Bunn is the shittest excuse for a keeper I have seen in many a year. I'd sooner have Adam Rachel on the bench from the youth.
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Is he the son or the grandson of Dr Moreira the one who had an island?
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Steer kind of deserves a shot, but his injury record is appalling and his display against Dresden woeful. Bunn is the shittest excuse for a keeper I have seen in many a year. I'd sooner have Adam Rachel on the bench from the youth.
I'd rather have Rachel McAdams on the bench than Bunn.
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Currently Bum Steer is our No.1 keeper. I was intrigued by his decision making process during that backpass against Dresden. What I want to know. Is it still ongoing?
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Bunn appears to be here to fulfil ‘Clubman of the year’ duties, ie be the life and soul around the place without actually playing. Rather like our Micah, but on less money.
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Love the # hesakeeper !
Very funny
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Is he the son or the grandson of Dr Moreira the one who had an island?
The enforcer
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Very encouraging interview. If he plays as well as he talks then we have an asset. Obviously an intelligent guy. Decent English already so communication won't be a problem. Seems to have been welcomed by all and is happy here already. Let's see how long that lasts.
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Well Steer didn’t exactly do himself any favours on Saturday.
Or at Walsall for West Ham’s opener.
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What's the deal with Gollini?
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What's the deal with Gollini?
A very poor one from our perspective.
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Bunn appears to be here to fulfil ‘Clubman of the year’ duties, ie be the life and soul around the place without actually playing. Rather like our Micah, but on less money.
Bunny fully settled in back up keeper role.
Maybe this guy too is one of those .
Looking at record despite age is pretty lacking experience.
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We needed to sign a keeper that would fill the defence with confidence. We still do.
/baddumtish
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Well done for saving a pen and helping us win the game!!!
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Mmmmm?!!!
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Bloody hell!
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To coign a well known phrase
He really did look like a fan that won a competition to play in a game. Awful at all aspects of the game but did save a pen (He must have tripped the right way ;)
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Needs to be a lot braver. That might come with experience but not a game that filled me with confidence. Penalty save apart, that was very ordinary. Kicking not great either.
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Thought he was terrible last night. Haven't seen enough of Orjan Nyland to make a proper judgement yet, but god help us if we're relying on this guy at any point during the season. Should've kept Steer.
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Bruce was far too hasty by letting Steer go on loan; neither of the two new keepers had played a single game. Steer was very good at Hull - the TV pundits praised his performance.
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Anybody else think he looks like Giant Gonzales?
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Bruce was far too hasty by letting Steer go on loan; neither of the two new keepers had played a single game. Steer was very good at Hull - the TV pundits praised his performance.
I'm baffled by the decision, Steer is 25 now, when we signed him he was tipped for great things. He looked more than capable against Hull and has a fair amount of Championship experience. Instead they sign this guy who looks like a disaster waiting to happen.
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I don’t think we’ve seen anywhere near enough of Nyland or Moreira to make a judgement yet.
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I don’t think we’ve seen anywhere near enough of Nyland or Moreira to make a judgement yet.
That’s true, but his punching wasn’t very good and put himself under pressure. Sam was similar when he first came, punched everything
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Can anyone think of any reason why we loaned this guy anyway seeing as we already had a capable understudy and needed a solid number one?
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I don’t think we’ve seen anywhere near enough of Nyland or Moreira to make a judgement yet.
That’s true, but his punching wasn’t very good and put himself under pressure. Sam was similar when he first came, punched everything
Yep and I think it’s something that can be worked on. In Spain/Portugal there’s very much a culture of punching the ball, rather than claiming it. It might just take some time to adjust. Obviously an extreme example, as he’s excellent, but De Gea’s catching and general command of his area was poor when he came to England and now it’s a real attribute of his game.
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Can anyone think of any reason why we loaned this guy anyway seeing as we already had a capable understudy and needed a solid number one?
My guess is that Steer didn't want to be an understudy, he either wanted assurances over playing time or to go on loan.
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I don’t think we’ve seen anywhere near enough of Nyland or Moreira to make a judgement yet.
That’s true, but his punching wasn’t very good and put himself under pressure. Sam was similar when he first came, punched everything
Yep and I think it’s something that can be worked on. In Spain/Portugal there’s very much a culture of punching the ball, rather than claiming it. It might just take some time to adjust. Obviously an extreme example, as he’s excellent, but De Gea’s catching and general command of his area was poor when he came to England and now it’s a real attribute of his game.
He's had one game!
I agree, De Gea looked extremely suspect when he first came to this country. Goalkeepers are an odd breed, I used to wonder why they punch rather than catching so much but then when you see the movement of modern balls it's not a surprise.
He didn't concede, didn't make any howlers, he saved a penalty and we won the match.
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Put this on the post match thread but probably more relevant here......
The thing with Steer is after the best part of two years out, he needs games. I don't think any of us would want those games to be as our no. 1 at the moment even though he played well at Hull, so yes we could keep him as back up, but that would be no good to him as he needs games. So a loan out and a year injury free hopefully, with this guy on loan will give us a year to see if he is going to be truly good enough for us going forward. Makes sense to me!
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Can anyone think of any reason why we loaned this guy anyway seeing as we already had a capable understudy and needed a solid number one?
Really wish I knew the answer to that one. I know he's only had one game, it's just some of the things he did. Like that half baked chip out he did straight to a Yeovil player, total unforced error could've easily lead to a goal. It's a huge gamble bringing 2 new keepers in at once with no Championship experience.
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I don’t think we’ve seen anywhere near enough of Nyland or Moreira to make a judgement yet.
I seen enough in the first 45 minutes of Moreira to suggest he's barely played in goal before in his life.
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I don’t think we’ve seen anywhere near enough of Nyland or Moreira to make a judgement yet.
I seen enough in the first 45 minutes of Moreira to suggest he's barely played in goal before in his life.
I agree, I think Nyland will be ok looking at his previous record.
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Back up keeps for me after yester showing and his lack of experience.
Fair play with the save . Wonder on his outing from his line and way he goes hips in side ways on at the ball and player.
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Can anyone think of any reason why we loaned this guy anyway seeing as we already had a capable understudy and needed a solid number one?
Really wish I knew the answer to that one. I know he's only had one game, it's just some of the things he did. Like that half baked chip out he did straight to a Yeovil player, total unforced error could've easily lead to a goal. It's a huge gamble bringing 2 new keepers in at once with no Championship experience.
Why does championship experience matter? If we had a chance to bring in Courtois would you be against it because he has no championship experience? I know that's an extreme example but I'm fed up of seeing championship experience used as a requirement as if this league plays a completely different game to anywhere else in the world. Most of th eWolves signings last summer had no championship experience but they were good players and they dominated the league. Being good at the job you're going to be given is all that matters.
Specific to the question, I suspect we'd been planning on going with Steer as first choice and Moreira was seen as a better backup than Bunn (which is fair, an actual bun would be a better option) but we then had word that Nyland was available and decided that he was a better option than Steer (given all the injuries this is fairly sensible) but that left us with 3 keepers for 2 spots and Steer not getting the game time he needs so out he goes to get a run of starts and, hopefully, prove he's over the injury jinx.
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I don’t think we’ve seen anywhere near enough of Nyland or Moreira to make a judgement yet.
That’s true, but his punching wasn’t very good and put himself under pressure. Sam was similar when he first came, punched everything
Yep and I think it’s something that can be worked on. In Spain/Portugal there’s very much a culture of punching the ball, rather than claiming it. It might just take some time to adjust. Obviously an extreme example, as he’s excellent, but De Gea’s catching and general command of his area was poor when he came to England and now it’s a real attribute of his game.
He's had one game!
I agree, De Gea looked extremely suspect when he first came to this country. Goalkeepers are an odd breed, I used to wonder why they punch rather than catching so much but then when you see the movement of modern balls it's not a surprise.
He didn't concede, didn't make any howlers, he saved a penalty and we won the match.
Burn him!
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Needs to be a lot braver. That might come with experience but not a game that filled me with confidence. Penalty save apart, that was very ordinary. Kicking not great either.
Was it not brave coming out to punch the ball clear from a monster bearing down on him? No fear from him of being clattered by a much heavier guy.
Also I thought he was excellent on the one on one - he stood his ground in upright position and didn't commit himself and flop to the ground like most keepers do and he earned his luck when ball struck his legs and slowed it down to enable Tuanzebe to clear. Also penalty was not struck hard but was right in the corner so still an excellent save. Apart from one lofted skewed pass and one coming out and getting nowhere near I though he looked O.K.. He was playing his first competitive game and in front of a totally makeshift defence so 8/10 from me. And don't forget how shaky Johnstone looked at the beginning.
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Just seen the penalty save again it was a really good one. A decent pen, low with a bit of pace, heading for the corner.
Agree with the comments above about keepers adjusting, and would add that it's harder for the man in the pub/ internet message boards to judge a keeper than any other position. The Robert Enke book has a lot of insights on how hard it is for a keeper to change clubs and then be expected to adjust to a different formation/style/personalities in defence immediately.
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I just saw the extended highlights on Youtube (around 5.20 min) - in the build up for the disallowed goal, I think he actually saves the first shot with a quick arm to the side (was in doubt if defender on the line, but his positioning makes me doubt that)
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I just saw the extended highlights on Youtube (around 5.20 min) - in the build up for the disallowed goal, I think he actually saves the first shot with a quick arm to the side (was in doubt if defender on the line, but his positioning makes me doubt that)
TBF I think that was hand ball by Taylor. Good job the ref blew
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Can anyone think of any reason why we loaned this guy anyway seeing as we already had a capable understudy and needed a solid number one?
Really wish I knew the answer to that one. I know he's only had one game, it's just some of the things he did. Like that half baked chip out he did straight to a Yeovil player, total unforced error could've easily lead to a goal. It's a huge gamble bringing 2 new keepers in at once with no Championship experience.
Why does championship experience matter? If we had a chance to bring in Courtois would you be against it because he has no championship experience? I know that's an extreme example but I'm fed up of seeing championship experience used as a requirement as if this league plays a completely different game to anywhere else in the world. Most of th eWolves signings last summer had no championship experience but they were good players and they dominated the league. Being good at the job you're going to be given is all that matters.
Specific to the question, I suspect we'd been planning on going with Steer as first choice and Moreira was seen as a better backup than Bunn (which is fair, an actual bun would be a better option) but we then had word that Nyland was available and decided that he was a better option than Steer (given all the injuries this is fairly sensible) but that left us with 3 keepers for 2 spots and Steer not getting the game time he needs so out he goes to get a run of starts and, hopefully, prove he's over the injury jinx.
I don't think comparing Wolves Championship rookies is a fair comparison to introducing a foreign keeper to a new league, Wolves had Ruddy. Goalkeeper is a key position where you need experience, did we not learn that with Gollini.
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You don’t need experience, you need to be good. Moreira and Nyland have not played anywhere near enough for us yet to determine their level. Experience is probably useful, but it’s not an absolute must.
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Can anyone think of any reason why we loaned this guy anyway seeing as we already had a capable understudy and needed a solid number one?
Really wish I knew the answer to that one. I know he's only had one game, it's just some of the things he did. Like that half baked chip out he did straight to a Yeovil player, total unforced error could've easily lead to a goal. It's a huge gamble bringing 2 new keepers in at once with no Championship experience.
Why does championship experience matter? If we had a chance to bring in Courtois would you be against it because he has no championship experience? I know that's an extreme example but I'm fed up of seeing championship experience used as a requirement as if this league plays a completely different game to anywhere else in the world. Most of th eWolves signings last summer had no championship experience but they were good players and they dominated the league. Being good at the job you're going to be given is all that matters.
Specific to the question, I suspect we'd been planning on going with Steer as first choice and Moreira was seen as a better backup than Bunn (which is fair, an actual bun would be a better option) but we then had word that Nyland was available and decided that he was a better option than Steer (given all the injuries this is fairly sensible) but that left us with 3 keepers for 2 spots and Steer not getting the game time he needs so out he goes to get a run of starts and, hopefully, prove he's over the injury jinx.
I don't think comparing Wolves Championship rookies is a fair comparison to introducing a foreign keeper to a new league, Wolves had Ruddy. Goalkeeper is a key position where you need experience, did we not learn that with Gollini.
experience isn't the same thing as championship experience though. Nyland has played over 200 games at club and international level, he's the most experienced keeper at the club so what we actually did was bring in an experienced keeper and a highly rated rookie as his understudy, seems perfectly reasonable to me.
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Where the hell has this bloke disappeared to? I know he was one for the future but on loan and not even in the 18? Bizarre signing.
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Did Mendes push it as part of his services?
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Where the hell has this bloke disappeared to? I know he was one for the future but on loan and not even in the 18? Bizarre signing.
Pretty sure I read somewhere that he has knee ligament damage
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Loan cancelled. Another one off the wage bill.
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Phew!
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That was the strangest loan signing in living memory, it does make you wonder if envelopes changed hands along the way?
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Be a decent quiz question in the future
Which goalkeeper saved a penalty in his debut and never played another game :-\
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We were waiting for an Ivo Stas for a jilted generation.
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We were waiting for an Ivo Stas for a jilted generation.
Be a decent quiz question in the future
Which goalkeeper saved a penalty in his debut and never played another game :-\
no idea but its not Andre Moreira he played against Burton in next round
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Be a decent quiz question in the future
Which goalkeeper saved a penalty in his debut and never played another game :-\
no idea but its not Andre Moreira he played against Burton in next round
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Did Mendes push it as part of his services?
As far as I'm aware, El Ghazi and Moreira were gifted to Bruce as part of this process.
Moreira looked significantly worse than Bunn is his fleeting appearance or two.
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Moreira is joining Feirense.
Me neither and I've been here 28 years.
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This is a massive blow
Not
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If he goes on to play a single minute for Atletico in La Liga I will pack it all in.
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What a waste of a loan, weird and have to wonder who pocketed cash for it. At least we are no longer wasting cash on him.
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He's clearly just a vehicle to get funds to Mendes. Signs for Atletico in 2014 and has 7 loans without playing a game since. He's only played league matches at two of his loan moves too.
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Thanks for the memories, Andre.
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A bizarre signing. Still, not his fault. Good luck to him.
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He's clearly just a vehicle to get funds to Mendes. Signs for Atletico in 2014 and has 7 loans without playing a game since. He's only played league matches at two of his loan moves too.
When it comes to appearances he makes Stuart Taylor look like Peter Shilton.
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It’s great getting these players through Amazon Prime. Return with one tick😊
Have we checked if they have left any outside the gates of Bodymoor Heath without ringing the bell?
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Or next door with the neighbour you can't stand. 😉