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Title: Villa Takeover
Post by: brentastonb6 on June 27, 2018, 08:12:58 PM
Well there’s lots out there about FFP , Tony going awol , the issuing of new share capital and Jack going to
anybody except us. What about who is likely to be putting in enough cash to take a majority stake in us ? If rumours are to be believed this could be for as little as £40m now we aren’t a premier league cash cow..
Not a bad sum for a club of our size,history and potential, especially with  plenty of young up and coming talent.
 Howard Hodgson was certainly interested in the past, has links both with board and the supporters through his work with the Supporters Trust  and he knows how to run a business .He might not be a billionaire but I think with FFP that isn’t what is required or ‘allowed ‘ now.
I’m hoping he alone or with a consortium is the one to take us on.
Title: Re: Villa Takeover
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 27, 2018, 08:17:46 PM
I think i'd rather go bust than have him anywhere near owning the club.
Title: Re: Villa Takeover
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on June 27, 2018, 08:32:59 PM
Howard Hodgson makes Ellis look humble. Howards I prefer include Jones, Keel and Stableford.
Title: Re: Villa Takeover
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on June 27, 2018, 08:33:08 PM
Why on earth would anyone with brains want to invest with him still having a controlling interest.  It has to be a straight sale.
Title: Re: Villa Takeover
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 27, 2018, 08:43:07 PM
He's got a boat, you know.
Title: Re: Villa Takeover
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 27, 2018, 08:43:55 PM
He's got a boat, you know.

How do you know, he's never mentioned it.
Title: Re: Villa Takeover
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 27, 2018, 08:45:13 PM
He must have let it slip into conversation accidentally while standing next to the helicopter that David Gold doesn't like to talk about.
Title: Re: Villa Takeover
Post by: jwarry on June 27, 2018, 09:19:40 PM
He must have let it slip into conversation accidentally while standing next to the helicopter that David Gold doesn't like to talk about.

David Gold has a chopper?!? Snigger
Title: Re: Villa Takeover
Post by: N'ZMAV on June 27, 2018, 09:29:46 PM
David Gold is a chopper.
Title: Re: Villa Takeover
Post by: adrenachrome on June 27, 2018, 09:41:07 PM
He's a prick with ears.
Title: Re: Villa Takeover
Post by: frank black on June 27, 2018, 09:48:55 PM
Is this takeover thread going to be as long as the last one.
I really hope not. It’ll consist of:

Various consortiums of not fantastically wealthy vultures

Considerably richer than yow local businessman

American rich folks who own/part own other sport franchises

Fantastically rich businessman who’s not even remotely interested

Then we are purchased by someone who we’ve never heard of and can’t be googled.
Title: Re: Villa Takeover
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 27, 2018, 09:51:00 PM
Am I imagining it, or is HH in the funeral business? If so, he may be able to help out with the loan of a few props to add a bit of pathos to the protests against him.
Title: Re: Villa Takeover
Post by: Risso on June 27, 2018, 09:51:46 PM
Am I imagining it, or is HH in the funeral business? If so, he may be able to help out with the loan of a few props to add a bit of pathos to the protests against him.

I think that's HH senior.
Title: Re: Villa Takeover
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 27, 2018, 10:02:05 PM
Am I imagining it, or is HH in the funeral business? If so, he may be able to help out with the loan of a few props to add a bit of pathos to the protests against him.

I think that's HH senior.

Ah, ta.

What's junior's business?
Title: Re: Villa Takeover
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 27, 2018, 10:13:18 PM
Am I imagining it, or is HH in the funeral business? If so, he may be able to help out with the loan of a few props to add a bit of pathos to the protests against him.

I think that's HH senior.

Ah, so his Dad bought him the boat?
Title: Re: Villa Takeover
Post by: Des Little on June 27, 2018, 10:50:42 PM
He's a prick with ears.

He can sell you one too. The dirty little pig.
Title: Re: Villa Takeover
Post by: Des Little on June 27, 2018, 10:52:56 PM
Am I imagining it, or is HH in the funeral business? If so, he may be able to help out with the loan of a few props to add a bit of pathos to the protests against him.

I think that's HH senior.

Ah, so his Dad bought him the boat?

His Dad’s Chinese?
Title: Re: Villa Takeover
Post by: brentastonb6 on June 27, 2018, 11:24:46 PM
I think i'd rather go bust than have him anywhere near owning the club.
Any particular reason? Yes I know of his boat , nice house etc
Title: Re: Villa Takeover
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 27, 2018, 11:49:36 PM
I think i'd rather go bust than have him anywhere near owning the club.
Any particular reason? Yes I know of his boat , nice house etc

Amazing wife and 2 fab kids? Randy had that when he arrived.
Title: Re: Villa Takeover
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 28, 2018, 12:40:47 AM
I think i'd rather go bust than have him anywhere near owning the club.
Any particular reason? Yes I know of his boat , nice house etc

Amazing wife and 2 fab kids? Randy had that when he arrived.

**applause**
Title: Re: Villa Takeover
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 28, 2018, 06:12:06 AM
The Howard Hodgson who was interested before is the father of the one who's on Twitter a lot.
Title: Re: Villa Takeover
Post by: brian green on June 28, 2018, 06:25:46 AM
At £40 million it is getting down to fan consortium buyout levels.
Title: Re: Villa Takeover
Post by: ROBBO on June 28, 2018, 06:26:25 AM
Buying even a championship club is out of the realms of possibility for even the very rich, it'a a bit akin to racehorse owning once you've paid your money consider it gone forever, Multi billionaires only please, form a queue to the left. No political bias in that.
Title: Re: Villa Takeover
Post by: brentastonb6 on June 28, 2018, 07:30:43 AM
At £40 million it is getting down to fan consortium buyout levels.
Yep, 8,000 of us giving up the £5000 family holiday and we’re sorted ( I’ve warned the kids already )
Title: Re: Villa Takeover
Post by: Mossie Hennebry on June 28, 2018, 08:07:32 AM
I think we should no longer be allowed to talk in millions like it isn't real money. In future, a base sum of £12m will be used and is a new denomination called a McCormack. Therefore, an investment of 3.3 McCormacks is being sought.
Title: Re: Villa Takeover
Post by: Little Class on June 28, 2018, 08:22:03 AM
We've already had an investment of 3.3 McCormacks:  McCormack, Hogan, Kodja and Lansbury.  Once invested, nil return.  That's what happens when you invest in a football club.
Title: Re: Villa Takeover
Post by: Clampy on June 28, 2018, 08:36:25 AM
We've already had an investment of 3.3 McCormacks:  McCormack, Hogan, Kodja and Lansbury.  Once invested, nil return.  That's what happens when you invest in a football club.

Why Kodjia?
Title: Re: Villa Takeover
Post by: mr underhill on June 28, 2018, 08:44:15 AM
Despite last season being written off to injury hew's one of the few players we could get a few bob for I would have thought.
Title: Re: Villa Takeover
Post by: chrisw1 on June 28, 2018, 08:52:29 AM
I think i'd rather go bust than have him anywhere near owning the club.
Any particular reason? Yes I know of his boat , nice house etc
Because he's a monumental bellend with a hugely over inflated sense of self importance?
Title: Re: Villa Takeover
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 28, 2018, 09:47:58 AM
I think we should no longer be allowed to talk in millions like it isn't real money. In future, a base sum of £12m will be used and is a new denomination called a McCormack. Therefore, an investment of 3.3 McCormacks is being sought.

Excellent !
Title: Re: Villa Takeover
Post by: Clampy on June 28, 2018, 12:59:14 PM
I think i'd rather go bust than have him anywhere near owning the club.
Any particular reason? Yes I know of his boat , nice house etc
Because he's a monumental bellend with a hugely over inflated sense of self importance?

Besides, I'm not too keen on the idea of #SittingwithHoward.
Title: Re: Villa Takeover
Post by: KevinGage on June 28, 2018, 01:12:09 PM
I think we should no longer be allowed to talk in millions like it isn't real money. In future, a base sum of £12m will be used and is a new denomination called a McCormack. Therefore, an investment of 3.3 McCormacks is being sought.

Craptocurrency?
Title: Re: Villa Takeover
Post by: Chris Smith on June 28, 2018, 01:47:23 PM
If recent history is any guide then expect the sale to be confirmed in 2020.
Title: Re: Villa Takeover
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 28, 2018, 01:50:43 PM
I think we should no longer be allowed to talk in millions like it isn't real money. In future, a base sum of £12m will be used and is a new denomination called a McCormack. Therefore, an investment of 3.3 McCormacks is being sought.

Ha ha, brilliant!
Title: Re: Villa Takeover
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 28, 2018, 03:26:35 PM
If recent history is any guide then expect the sale to be confirmed in 2020.

Indeed. If recent history is any guide we've only got 997 pages on this thread to go before it's official.
Title: Re: Villa Takeover
Post by: johnny from donny on June 28, 2018, 09:26:01 PM
I think i'd rather go bust than have him anywhere near owning the club.
Any particular reason? Yes I know of his boat , nice house etc
Because he's a monumental bellend with a hugely over inflated sense of self importance?

Don't hold back mate, tell us what you really think.
Title: Re: Villa Takeover
Post by: Damo70 on June 28, 2018, 10:45:17 PM
Howard Hodgson makes Ellis look humble. Howards I prefer include Jones, Keel and Stableford.

If Howard Jones takes over will he 'Lift Me Up' and tell us 'Things Can Only Get Better'. Would he 'like to get to know us well' or like Randy and Dr Tony will it be a case of 'Hide And Seek', 'Soon You'll Go' and 'No One Is To Blame'?
Title: Re: Villa Takeover
Post by: tomd2103 on June 28, 2018, 11:21:40 PM
Birmingham Mail running a ripped badge story today making it sound like a takeover is pretty much inevitable. 
Title: Re: Villa Takeover
Post by: mr underhill on June 29, 2018, 07:09:17 AM
good, the sooner the better
Title: Re: Villa Takeover
Post by: brian green on June 29, 2018, 07:36:43 AM
ROBBO greetings.  Just picked up on your racehorse owning analogy.  99.9% percent true that all expenditure is lost but there are examples of great success and profit built on shrewdness and depth of knowledge.  The Tatling was bought for 11,000 guineas out of a claiming race and went on to become the champion sprinter in Europe.  There are many other examples of brain trumping wealth.  The whole of the mighty Coolmore juggernaut goes back to Northern Champion being bought for a song in Canada.

Football clubs can be successful on a budget and not haemorrhage money but it requires intelligence and financial discipline light years higher than we have displayed for a long time, if ever.
Title: Re: Villa Takeover
Post by: old man villa fan on June 29, 2018, 08:35:36 AM
Running a successful football club these days is mainly financial, with a fairly low percentage technical. The financial side should be a big mathematical equation of cost v revenue, with each component having a weighting.

To make a very successful club is where people come into it. It's the manipulation of the weights but maintaining the balance is where the skill comes in. A talented commercial team can increase revenue.  A talented youth management team can spot and develop young players to a level far higher than their cost weighting.  A first team manager can make a £10m player add more to the rest of the team and thus increase their value compared with their cost weighting. Similarly, a good manager will spot a player that he could enhance the value of.

Many clubs have lost sight of the financial balance and only concentrate on certain section of the club, sailing on hopefully with the rest.  They are in effect gambling.  Some fans think it is just about getting one rich owner after another and draining them of money. As with anything in life, you have to make the best use if money (unless you have an unlimited supply if money.

Running a football club these days is complex and you have manage the finances from top to bottom by having a sound strategy and a talented team to manage the best use of the income available.  Business modelling should be no different in football clubs than any other industries, it's just the components that are different.
Title: Re: Villa Takeover
Post by: mr underhill on June 29, 2018, 08:42:56 AM
having run a small business for years I can say that its the same for any business . Controlling costs and cash flow is critical to success.
Title: Re: Villa Takeover
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 29, 2018, 08:54:29 AM
good, the sooner the better

Not necessarily, depends on who the buyer is. We could get the next Sheikh Mansour or the next George Reynolds.
Title: Re: Villa Takeover
Post by: mr underhill on June 29, 2018, 11:08:33 AM
so what - could they be any  worse than Randy and Tone?
Title: Re: Villa Takeover
Post by: Chris Smith on June 29, 2018, 11:31:05 AM
so what - could they be any  worse than Randy and Tone?

Look across town to Small Heath to get your answer to that one. The hairdresser/money launderer trumps anything we have managed.
Title: Re: Villa Takeover
Post by: tomd2103 on June 29, 2018, 11:35:28 AM
good, the sooner the better

Not necessarily, depends on who the buyer is. We could get the next Sheikh Mansour or the next George Reynolds.

That is my concern.  I think Lerner and Xia have been incompetent and naive, but despite the damage they have done to the club neither really smack me as particularly bad people.  If Xia is forced to sell and sell quickly then we could end up with any old charlatan.
Title: Re: Villa Takeover
Post by: Dave on June 29, 2018, 12:11:45 PM
so what - could they be any  worse than Randy and Tone?

Given that two years ago people were saying exactly that, minus the last two words doesn't that suggest that yes, they could?
Title: Re: Villa Takeover
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 29, 2018, 12:21:13 PM
good, the sooner the better

Not necessarily, depends on who the buyer is. We could get the next Sheikh Mansour or the next George Reynolds.

That is my concern.  I think Lerner and Xia have been incompetent and naive, but despite the damage they have done to the club neither really smack me as particularly bad people.  If Xia is forced to sell and sell quickly then we could end up with any old charlatan.

Yep, 2 well meaning, incompetent buffoons that have got the club in this mess, Lerner to drag us down in the first place and Xia to kick us in the balls when down. At least Xia appears to be doing the right thing and selling up straight away, Lerner hanging onto us for 3-4 years longer than he should was unforgivable.
Title: Re: Villa Takeover
Post by: Damo70 on June 29, 2018, 02:03:24 PM
good, the sooner the better

Not necessarily, depends on who the buyer is. We could get the next Sheikh Mansour or the next George Reynolds.


To be fair I believe Darlington had the best bogs in the league, with gold taps. We could also do with George Reynolds ability to crack open a few safes at the moment.
Title: Re: Villa Takeover
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 29, 2018, 10:16:27 PM
I think money can be made from football clubs and therefore buyers should be out there.

My simplified logic being that inflation of footballers' transfer fees must exceed most other metrics.  On that basis buy young players, coach them (lots), improve them and sell them on.

I'm not sure whether it was fluke but Chelsea spotted this, signing loads of youngsters, loaning them out across Europe.  It's the footballing equivalent of a developer land bagging a site, not intending to build on it, but knowing that inflation will increase it's value.

Weirdly, I'm not against it, despite the goal not immediately being to win cups.  It's sustainable and we'd have a plan of how to grow.
Title: Re: Villa Takeover
Post by: john e on June 29, 2018, 11:27:32 PM
good, the sooner the better

Not necessarily, depends on who the buyer is. We could get the next Sheikh Mansour or the next George Reynolds.

That is my concern.  I think Lerner and Xia have been incompetent and naive, but despite the damage they have done to the club neither really smack me as particularly bad people.  If Xia is forced to sell and sell quickly then we could end up with any old charlatan.

Yep, 2 well meaning, incompetent buffoons that have got the club in this mess, Lerner to drag us down in the first place and Xia to kick us in the balls when down. At least Xia appears to be doing the right thing and selling up straight away, Lerner hanging onto us for 3-4 years longer than he should was unforgivable.

because no one wanted to buy us.
 for some reason Villa seems a difficult club to shift and it wont be easy this time
Title: Re: Villa Takeover
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 30, 2018, 06:18:48 AM
good, the sooner the better

Not necessarily, depends on who the buyer is. We could get the next Sheikh Mansour or the next George Reynolds.

That is my concern.  I think Lerner and Xia have been incompetent and naive, but despite the damage they have done to the club neither really smack me as particularly bad people.  If Xia is forced to sell and sell quickly then we could end up with any old charlatan.

Yep, 2 well meaning, incompetent buffoons that have got the club in this mess, Lerner to drag us down in the first place and Xia to kick us in the balls when down. At least Xia appears to be doing the right thing and selling up straight away, Lerner hanging onto us for 3-4 years longer than he should was unforgivable.

because no one wanted to buy us.
 for some reason Villa seems a difficult club to shift and it wont be easy this time

We were bought twice in ten years. That's not hard to shift, surely?
Title: Re: Villa Takeover
Post by: Steve67 on June 30, 2018, 06:22:00 AM
If it’s so hard to shift, drop the price to make it more attractive.
Title: Re: Villa Takeover
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 30, 2018, 07:37:51 AM
A second Division team with a boat load of debt, loss making and with a number of players with no or little resale value.
Then you have the Manager and a number of players with contractual obligations far and above their actual worth and making a return to profitability even more difficult.
We will be starting in a league where every year we will be competing with clubs with vastly superior financial power and that’s even before we consider the implications of FFP.

Title: Re: Villa Takeover
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 30, 2018, 07:48:02 AM
If security had had to regularly break up rumbles between hedge fund owners who'd been duking it out in the North Stand car park over who gets to own us, then I wouldn't disagree, paulie.

But we were sold once after twenty five years, and then ten later by a bloke who wanted out after four.
Title: Re: Villa Takeover
Post by: old man villa fan on June 30, 2018, 12:39:14 PM
I would have thought for anyone to buy us, it must be a long term plan of 5-10 years to get back to any type of success. Does anyone want to invest a lot of money in that period and wait for it to happen.

I cannot see the financial returns for a short term plan of getting promotion and selling on.

The long term plan works if running the club is alongside another business and you are probably not looking for the need of winning things but only showing sustainable progression.
Title: Re: Villa Takeover
Post by: john e on June 30, 2018, 02:16:09 PM
good, the sooner the better

Not necessarily, depends on who the buyer is. We could get the next Sheikh Mansour or the next George Reynolds.

That is my concern.  I think Lerner and Xia have been incompetent and naive, but despite the damage they have done to the club neither really smack me as particularly bad people.  If Xia is forced to sell and sell quickly then we could end up with any old charlatan.

Yep, 2 well meaning, incompetent buffoons that have got the club in this mess, Lerner to drag us down in the first place and Xia to kick us in the balls when down. At least Xia appears to be doing the right thing and selling up straight away, Lerner hanging onto us for 3-4 years longer than he should was unforgivable.

because no one wanted to buy us.
 for some reason Villa seems a difficult club to shift and it wont be easy this time

We were bought twice in ten years. That's not hard to shift, surely?

didn’t Randy have the club up for sale for about 3 years and in all that time the best he could do was Xia the enigma

even then he kept dropping the price he was so desperate to sell in the end

I don’t think there’s going to be a queue down trinity Rd with  ready buyers this time round
Title: Re: Villa Takeover
Post by: Ad@m on June 30, 2018, 04:22:43 PM
Tone's little helper has said goodbye to Birmingham on Twitter.

So either he's got the boot or a deal is imminent.
Title: Re: Villa Takeover
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on June 30, 2018, 05:54:11 PM
Tone's little helper has said goodbye to Birmingham on Twitter.

So either he's got the boot or a deal is imminent.

Has he? His ticked account's last Tweet was three days ago - a retweet of Xia's.
Title: Re: Villa Takeover
Post by: Ad@m on June 30, 2018, 06:13:46 PM
Tone's little helper has said goodbye to Birmingham on Twitter.

So either he's got the boot or a deal is imminent.

Has he? His ticked account's last Tweet was three days ago - a retweet of Xia's.

My mistake. It's on Instagram, not Twitter.
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