Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: brentastonb6 on June 27, 2018, 08:12:58 PM
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Well there’s lots out there about FFP , Tony going awol , the issuing of new share capital and Jack going to
anybody except us. What about who is likely to be putting in enough cash to take a majority stake in us ? If rumours are to be believed this could be for as little as £40m now we aren’t a premier league cash cow..
Not a bad sum for a club of our size,history and potential, especially with plenty of young up and coming talent.
Howard Hodgson was certainly interested in the past, has links both with board and the supporters through his work with the Supporters Trust and he knows how to run a business .He might not be a billionaire but I think with FFP that isn’t what is required or ‘allowed ‘ now.
I’m hoping he alone or with a consortium is the one to take us on.
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I think i'd rather go bust than have him anywhere near owning the club.
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Howard Hodgson makes Ellis look humble. Howards I prefer include Jones, Keel and Stableford.
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Why on earth would anyone with brains want to invest with him still having a controlling interest. It has to be a straight sale.
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He's got a boat, you know.
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He's got a boat, you know.
How do you know, he's never mentioned it.
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He must have let it slip into conversation accidentally while standing next to the helicopter that David Gold doesn't like to talk about.
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He must have let it slip into conversation accidentally while standing next to the helicopter that David Gold doesn't like to talk about.
David Gold has a chopper?!? Snigger
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David Gold is a chopper.
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He's a prick with ears.
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Is this takeover thread going to be as long as the last one.
I really hope not. It’ll consist of:
Various consortiums of not fantastically wealthy vultures
Considerably richer than yow local businessman
American rich folks who own/part own other sport franchises
Fantastically rich businessman who’s not even remotely interested
Then we are purchased by someone who we’ve never heard of and can’t be googled.
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Am I imagining it, or is HH in the funeral business? If so, he may be able to help out with the loan of a few props to add a bit of pathos to the protests against him.
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Am I imagining it, or is HH in the funeral business? If so, he may be able to help out with the loan of a few props to add a bit of pathos to the protests against him.
I think that's HH senior.
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Am I imagining it, or is HH in the funeral business? If so, he may be able to help out with the loan of a few props to add a bit of pathos to the protests against him.
I think that's HH senior.
Ah, ta.
What's junior's business?
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Am I imagining it, or is HH in the funeral business? If so, he may be able to help out with the loan of a few props to add a bit of pathos to the protests against him.
I think that's HH senior.
Ah, so his Dad bought him the boat?
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He's a prick with ears.
He can sell you one too. The dirty little pig.
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Am I imagining it, or is HH in the funeral business? If so, he may be able to help out with the loan of a few props to add a bit of pathos to the protests against him.
I think that's HH senior.
Ah, so his Dad bought him the boat?
His Dad’s Chinese?
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I think i'd rather go bust than have him anywhere near owning the club.
Any particular reason? Yes I know of his boat , nice house etc
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I think i'd rather go bust than have him anywhere near owning the club.
Any particular reason? Yes I know of his boat , nice house etc
Amazing wife and 2 fab kids? Randy had that when he arrived.
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I think i'd rather go bust than have him anywhere near owning the club.
Any particular reason? Yes I know of his boat , nice house etc
Amazing wife and 2 fab kids? Randy had that when he arrived.
**applause**
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The Howard Hodgson who was interested before is the father of the one who's on Twitter a lot.
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At £40 million it is getting down to fan consortium buyout levels.
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Buying even a championship club is out of the realms of possibility for even the very rich, it'a a bit akin to racehorse owning once you've paid your money consider it gone forever, Multi billionaires only please, form a queue to the left. No political bias in that.
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At £40 million it is getting down to fan consortium buyout levels.
Yep, 8,000 of us giving up the £5000 family holiday and we’re sorted ( I’ve warned the kids already )
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I think we should no longer be allowed to talk in millions like it isn't real money. In future, a base sum of £12m will be used and is a new denomination called a McCormack. Therefore, an investment of 3.3 McCormacks is being sought.
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We've already had an investment of 3.3 McCormacks: McCormack, Hogan, Kodja and Lansbury. Once invested, nil return. That's what happens when you invest in a football club.
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We've already had an investment of 3.3 McCormacks: McCormack, Hogan, Kodja and Lansbury. Once invested, nil return. That's what happens when you invest in a football club.
Why Kodjia?
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Despite last season being written off to injury hew's one of the few players we could get a few bob for I would have thought.
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I think i'd rather go bust than have him anywhere near owning the club.
Any particular reason? Yes I know of his boat , nice house etc
Because he's a monumental bellend with a hugely over inflated sense of self importance?
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I think we should no longer be allowed to talk in millions like it isn't real money. In future, a base sum of £12m will be used and is a new denomination called a McCormack. Therefore, an investment of 3.3 McCormacks is being sought.
Excellent !
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I think i'd rather go bust than have him anywhere near owning the club.
Any particular reason? Yes I know of his boat , nice house etc
Because he's a monumental bellend with a hugely over inflated sense of self importance?
Besides, I'm not too keen on the idea of #SittingwithHoward.
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I think we should no longer be allowed to talk in millions like it isn't real money. In future, a base sum of £12m will be used and is a new denomination called a McCormack. Therefore, an investment of 3.3 McCormacks is being sought.
Craptocurrency?
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If recent history is any guide then expect the sale to be confirmed in 2020.
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I think we should no longer be allowed to talk in millions like it isn't real money. In future, a base sum of £12m will be used and is a new denomination called a McCormack. Therefore, an investment of 3.3 McCormacks is being sought.
Ha ha, brilliant!
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If recent history is any guide then expect the sale to be confirmed in 2020.
Indeed. If recent history is any guide we've only got 997 pages on this thread to go before it's official.
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I think i'd rather go bust than have him anywhere near owning the club.
Any particular reason? Yes I know of his boat , nice house etc
Because he's a monumental bellend with a hugely over inflated sense of self importance?
Don't hold back mate, tell us what you really think.
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Howard Hodgson makes Ellis look humble. Howards I prefer include Jones, Keel and Stableford.
If Howard Jones takes over will he 'Lift Me Up' and tell us 'Things Can Only Get Better'. Would he 'like to get to know us well' or like Randy and Dr Tony will it be a case of 'Hide And Seek', 'Soon You'll Go' and 'No One Is To Blame'?
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Birmingham Mail running a ripped badge story today making it sound like a takeover is pretty much inevitable.
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good, the sooner the better
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ROBBO greetings. Just picked up on your racehorse owning analogy. 99.9% percent true that all expenditure is lost but there are examples of great success and profit built on shrewdness and depth of knowledge. The Tatling was bought for 11,000 guineas out of a claiming race and went on to become the champion sprinter in Europe. There are many other examples of brain trumping wealth. The whole of the mighty Coolmore juggernaut goes back to Northern Champion being bought for a song in Canada.
Football clubs can be successful on a budget and not haemorrhage money but it requires intelligence and financial discipline light years higher than we have displayed for a long time, if ever.
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Running a successful football club these days is mainly financial, with a fairly low percentage technical. The financial side should be a big mathematical equation of cost v revenue, with each component having a weighting.
To make a very successful club is where people come into it. It's the manipulation of the weights but maintaining the balance is where the skill comes in. A talented commercial team can increase revenue. A talented youth management team can spot and develop young players to a level far higher than their cost weighting. A first team manager can make a £10m player add more to the rest of the team and thus increase their value compared with their cost weighting. Similarly, a good manager will spot a player that he could enhance the value of.
Many clubs have lost sight of the financial balance and only concentrate on certain section of the club, sailing on hopefully with the rest. They are in effect gambling. Some fans think it is just about getting one rich owner after another and draining them of money. As with anything in life, you have to make the best use if money (unless you have an unlimited supply if money.
Running a football club these days is complex and you have manage the finances from top to bottom by having a sound strategy and a talented team to manage the best use of the income available. Business modelling should be no different in football clubs than any other industries, it's just the components that are different.
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having run a small business for years I can say that its the same for any business . Controlling costs and cash flow is critical to success.
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good, the sooner the better
Not necessarily, depends on who the buyer is. We could get the next Sheikh Mansour or the next George Reynolds.
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so what - could they be any worse than Randy and Tone?
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so what - could they be any worse than Randy and Tone?
Look across town to Small Heath to get your answer to that one. The hairdresser/money launderer trumps anything we have managed.
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good, the sooner the better
Not necessarily, depends on who the buyer is. We could get the next Sheikh Mansour or the next George Reynolds.
That is my concern. I think Lerner and Xia have been incompetent and naive, but despite the damage they have done to the club neither really smack me as particularly bad people. If Xia is forced to sell and sell quickly then we could end up with any old charlatan.
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so what - could they be any worse than Randy and Tone?
Given that two years ago people were saying exactly that, minus the last two words doesn't that suggest that yes, they could?
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good, the sooner the better
Not necessarily, depends on who the buyer is. We could get the next Sheikh Mansour or the next George Reynolds.
That is my concern. I think Lerner and Xia have been incompetent and naive, but despite the damage they have done to the club neither really smack me as particularly bad people. If Xia is forced to sell and sell quickly then we could end up with any old charlatan.
Yep, 2 well meaning, incompetent buffoons that have got the club in this mess, Lerner to drag us down in the first place and Xia to kick us in the balls when down. At least Xia appears to be doing the right thing and selling up straight away, Lerner hanging onto us for 3-4 years longer than he should was unforgivable.
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good, the sooner the better
Not necessarily, depends on who the buyer is. We could get the next Sheikh Mansour or the next George Reynolds.
To be fair I believe Darlington had the best bogs in the league, with gold taps. We could also do with George Reynolds ability to crack open a few safes at the moment.
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I think money can be made from football clubs and therefore buyers should be out there.
My simplified logic being that inflation of footballers' transfer fees must exceed most other metrics. On that basis buy young players, coach them (lots), improve them and sell them on.
I'm not sure whether it was fluke but Chelsea spotted this, signing loads of youngsters, loaning them out across Europe. It's the footballing equivalent of a developer land bagging a site, not intending to build on it, but knowing that inflation will increase it's value.
Weirdly, I'm not against it, despite the goal not immediately being to win cups. It's sustainable and we'd have a plan of how to grow.
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good, the sooner the better
Not necessarily, depends on who the buyer is. We could get the next Sheikh Mansour or the next George Reynolds.
That is my concern. I think Lerner and Xia have been incompetent and naive, but despite the damage they have done to the club neither really smack me as particularly bad people. If Xia is forced to sell and sell quickly then we could end up with any old charlatan.
Yep, 2 well meaning, incompetent buffoons that have got the club in this mess, Lerner to drag us down in the first place and Xia to kick us in the balls when down. At least Xia appears to be doing the right thing and selling up straight away, Lerner hanging onto us for 3-4 years longer than he should was unforgivable.
because no one wanted to buy us.
for some reason Villa seems a difficult club to shift and it wont be easy this time
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good, the sooner the better
Not necessarily, depends on who the buyer is. We could get the next Sheikh Mansour or the next George Reynolds.
That is my concern. I think Lerner and Xia have been incompetent and naive, but despite the damage they have done to the club neither really smack me as particularly bad people. If Xia is forced to sell and sell quickly then we could end up with any old charlatan.
Yep, 2 well meaning, incompetent buffoons that have got the club in this mess, Lerner to drag us down in the first place and Xia to kick us in the balls when down. At least Xia appears to be doing the right thing and selling up straight away, Lerner hanging onto us for 3-4 years longer than he should was unforgivable.
because no one wanted to buy us.
for some reason Villa seems a difficult club to shift and it wont be easy this time
We were bought twice in ten years. That's not hard to shift, surely?
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If it’s so hard to shift, drop the price to make it more attractive.
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A second Division team with a boat load of debt, loss making and with a number of players with no or little resale value.
Then you have the Manager and a number of players with contractual obligations far and above their actual worth and making a return to profitability even more difficult.
We will be starting in a league where every year we will be competing with clubs with vastly superior financial power and that’s even before we consider the implications of FFP.
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If security had had to regularly break up rumbles between hedge fund owners who'd been duking it out in the North Stand car park over who gets to own us, then I wouldn't disagree, paulie.
But we were sold once after twenty five years, and then ten later by a bloke who wanted out after four.
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I would have thought for anyone to buy us, it must be a long term plan of 5-10 years to get back to any type of success. Does anyone want to invest a lot of money in that period and wait for it to happen.
I cannot see the financial returns for a short term plan of getting promotion and selling on.
The long term plan works if running the club is alongside another business and you are probably not looking for the need of winning things but only showing sustainable progression.
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good, the sooner the better
Not necessarily, depends on who the buyer is. We could get the next Sheikh Mansour or the next George Reynolds.
That is my concern. I think Lerner and Xia have been incompetent and naive, but despite the damage they have done to the club neither really smack me as particularly bad people. If Xia is forced to sell and sell quickly then we could end up with any old charlatan.
Yep, 2 well meaning, incompetent buffoons that have got the club in this mess, Lerner to drag us down in the first place and Xia to kick us in the balls when down. At least Xia appears to be doing the right thing and selling up straight away, Lerner hanging onto us for 3-4 years longer than he should was unforgivable.
because no one wanted to buy us.
for some reason Villa seems a difficult club to shift and it wont be easy this time
We were bought twice in ten years. That's not hard to shift, surely?
didn’t Randy have the club up for sale for about 3 years and in all that time the best he could do was Xia the enigma
even then he kept dropping the price he was so desperate to sell in the end
I don’t think there’s going to be a queue down trinity Rd with ready buyers this time round
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Tone's little helper has said goodbye to Birmingham on Twitter.
So either he's got the boot or a deal is imminent.
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Tone's little helper has said goodbye to Birmingham on Twitter.
So either he's got the boot or a deal is imminent.
Has he? His ticked account's last Tweet was three days ago - a retweet of Xia's.
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Tone's little helper has said goodbye to Birmingham on Twitter.
So either he's got the boot or a deal is imminent.
Has he? His ticked account's last Tweet was three days ago - a retweet of Xia's.
My mistake. It's on Instagram, not Twitter.