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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Dave P on June 19, 2018, 06:56:51 PM
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Out 9am Thursday morning. Who do you want first? As wolves are at home on 11/8, I guess we will also be at home this day meaning we’ll be away first game on 4/8.
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It will be Ipswich Town Away.
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I will plump for Wigan or Millwall at home.
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Sheff Utd at Villa Park
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We are away, aren't we? Pitch is being relayed.
Someone incredibly dull like Reading or Norwich away. Whoever it is, Sky will fuck about with the kick-off.
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Let's saw a newly promoted team, Blackburn away.
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Whoever it is, hopefully we can fulfill it !
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Got to say at the moment my interest is pretty low for obvious reasons.
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Stoke away.
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Rotherham away followed by Albion and blues at home!
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birmingham away
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Somewhere nice to go. And that does not mean Small fucking Heath.
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I can safely predict the blues game will be on Halloween weekend at noon.
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We are away, aren't we? Pitch is being relayed.
Someone incredibly dull like Reading or Norwich away. Whoever it is, Sky will fuck about with the kick-off.
I wonder whether we'll have enough money to pay for the pitch.....
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yep we might not be kicking off anywhere
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I can safely predict the blues game will be on Halloween weekend at noon.
Yep, many fixtures last season were on the same weekend as the previous season which makes me think the fixture computer isn’t particularly random.
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It's not random at all, it's highly complex so it's no wonder that where possible they keep fixtures similar.
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There will be certain dates they avoid. We never play Blose at the start or the end of the season, or around Christmas (presumably the police don't need the extra aggro at that time of year). It also won't be played when it clashes with an FA Cup game as they won't want that game switching to midweek. I'd imagine they'd also be keen that the Sty game, at least, doesn't clash with Pride or St Paddy Parades.
By the time you've eliminated all those, there aren't that many weekends left to choose from, so it's no wonder we always seem to play them roughly around the same time.
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Swansea away
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We usually play them away first in seasons with the home game usually in April.
This time I'll go for us to play them at VP first half of the season. West Brom around xmas.
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There will be certain dates they avoid. We never play Blose at the start or the end of the season, or around Christmas (presumably the police don't need the extra aggro at that time of year). It also won't be played when it clashes with an FA Cup game as they won't want that game switching to midweek. I'd imagine they'd also be keen that the Sty game, at least, doesn't clash with Pride or St Paddy Parades.
By the time you've eliminated all those, there aren't that many weekends left to choose from, so it's no wonder we always seem to play them roughly around the same time.
Those factors are never put into the criteria and from memory the police don't have the powers to make wholesale alterations to the fixtures.
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They must take into consideration nearby teams not playing on the same day etc?
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They must take into consideration nearby teams not playing on the same day etc?
Every club has a pair that doesn't play at home on the same day except once a season to get round the problem that half the league are always at home when the other half are away.
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According to this report they do take quite a lot into consideration:
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/jun/15/fixtures-premier-league-football-league-compiled
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According to this report they do take quite a lot into consideration:
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/jun/15/fixtures-premier-league-football-league-compiled
They do. It's a difficult job and often they get criticised for doing perfectly sensible things.
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any chance our midweek matches might go back to Wednesday's ?
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I hope not. Why put ourselves at a disadvantage and have less time to recover than our opponents?
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First game...Hull away on a Monday night.
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Oh dear.
First home game is Wigan on 11th.
SHA home 24th Nov, away to them 9th March. West Brom away 8th December and home on 16th Feb. Last day is home to Norwich.
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Hull Game is on SKY
Wigan, Brentford and Reading are 1st 3 home games
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Boxing day is away to Swansea....no words. Then away to PNE on 29th Dec. Home to QPR on New Years day. Stoke away is 23rd Feb.
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Shite fixtures. There's only three away grounds I haven't been to and two of them are midweek. I'm destined never to go to Brentford. You'd think we would play there on a weekend once in three fucking years.
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And we only have two days off before Forest away. Our police force putting us at a disadvantage again.
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Wigan at home. Now the arseache is waiting to see how many of them Sky move. Saturday 3pms please Sky.
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Away on Boxing Day again.
Fucking boo.
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Wasn't the Burton game in 2016 our first Boxing Day game at home since about 2005?
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Can't work up any enthusiasm at the moment...I wonder why?
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Can't work up any enthusiasm at the moment...I wonder why?
Same here
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And we only have two days off before Forest away. Our police force putting us at a disadvantage again.
16 mins after the fixtures are released and your blaming the police already. Blimey.
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I really don’t like Monday night games. It always feels like the weekend football takes place without us and the new season will feel feel like it’s starting without us.
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Big ask but if we can get ourselves sorted it's a decent start to the season.
Midweek games are Brentford home (August 21st), Rotherham home (19th September), Preston home (2nd October), Norwich away (23rd October), Forest home (Nov 28th), Brentford away (13th Feb), Forest away (12th March), Rotherham away (10th March) and Bolton away which is Good Friday (19th April).
Millwall is the Easter Monday home game.
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And we only have two days off before Forest away. Our police force putting us at a disadvantage again.
16 mins after the fixtures are released and your blaming the police already. Blimey.
It doesn't take that long to look for when we are playing Small Heath, imagine most people have managed to do that.
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At least we aren't at home on Good Friday so we don't have to worry about the local God-botherers messing with our fixtures again.
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That it should come to this. I remember when the fixtures announcement afforded us a pleasant day’s dreaming of what was to come. Today, however, we have the following 5 glamour games to open our season...
Hull, Wigan, Ipswich, Brentford and Reading.
How the mighty have fallen. I could weep.
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The Small Heath games will always be on a Sunday. We should be used to it by now.
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the fixtures look duller every season we are here
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The Small Heath games will always be on a Sunday. We should be used to it by now.
I'm aware of that. So they shouldn't be arranged before a Tuesday midweek game. We shouldn't be disadvantaged because the police move our games.
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When both sets of fans decide to behave, it will be on at a more convenient time. Until then, it's 12am on a Sunday. I can't see it changing anytime soon though.
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When both sets of fans decide to behave, it will be on at a more convenient time. Until then, it's 12am on a Sunday. I can't see it changing anytime soon though.
Yes. So put the following match on a Wednesday, not Tuesday.
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When both sets of fans decide to behave, it will be on at a more convenient time. Until then, it's 12am on a Sunday. I can't see it changing anytime soon though.
Yes. So put the following match on a Wednesday, not Tuesday.
Which they very possibly will.
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When both sets of fans decide to behave, it will be on at a more convenient time. Until then, it's 12am on a Sunday. I can't see it changing anytime soon though.
Yes. So put the following match on a Wednesday, not Tuesday.
Which they very possibly will.
Would Forest agree to it though knowing they would be at an advantage of an extra days rest?
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Nothing like the new fixtures to focus the mind. The excitement was ended by Hull away on a Monday night though. Nice planning there by the EFL
Norwich away midweek as well.
Oh well. Roll on August let's get on with it
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Hopefully, but I think it's Forest's choice, as they are the home team. I remember a few years ago playing Blose on Sunday then having to play at Wigan on a Tuesday. If I was Forest I would want every possible advantage, as Dave Whelan presumably did.
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Some good days out in September if Sky can leave them the fuck alone.
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the fixtures look duller every season we are here
Not helped by the fact that no interesting new teams came up from League 1 or down from the Premier League
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Anyway, cba with Hull away on a Monday night... so may as well offer two references now if anyone wants them.
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When both sets of fans decide to behave, it will be on at a more convenient time. Until then, it's 12am on a Sunday. I can't see it changing anytime soon though.
Yes. So put the following match on a Wednesday, not Tuesday.
Which they very possibly will.
Would Forest agree to it though knowing they would be at an advantage of an extra days rest?
Maybe, but in any case the fixture compilers don't have a say in which night midweek games are played.
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Anyway, cba with Hull away on a Monday night... so may as well offer two references now if anyone wants them.
Our first one will probably be Ipswich, if it's not moved.
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I really don’t like Monday night games. It always feels like the weekend football takes place without us and the new season will feel feel like it’s starting without us.
Maybe it will...
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the fixtures look duller every season we are here
I see it differently.
I see nothing to fear in the league and a good chance to hit the ground running in August.
I'm upset that I'll miss the Rotherham & Sheff Wed home games due to holiday but with my luck as it is, I had accepted that I'd be missing 2 games as soon as I booked the holiday.
The aways don't look great but I'm sure as the season plays out, they will just be like any other season. The last 4 aways in April look good and will be even better if we're fighting for promotion at that stage.
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If it's any consolation, my Mrs is going to be affected by the fixtures as well.
We're going on holiday on Sunday 16th and she wanted to spend Saturday the 15th nearer our departure (Southampton)
If Blackburn away stays on the Saturday, she's going to be in for a disappointment because I'm going to that if I've got to miss the following 2 home games.
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Christ that's dull isn't it.
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Christ that's dull isn't it.
Bit harsh, Brassneck was only telling us about his holidays. :)
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They must take into consideration nearby teams not playing on the same day etc?
Every club has a pair that doesn't play at home on the same day except once a season to get round the problem that half the league are always at home when the other half are away.
It must be more complicated for us because we always seem to be at home when both Baggies and Blues are away and vice-versa.
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They must take into consideration nearby teams not playing on the same day etc?
Every club has a pair that doesn't play at home on the same day except once a season to get round the problem that half the league are always at home when the other half are away.
It must be more complicated for us because we always seem to be at home when both Baggies and Blues are away and vice-versa.
We're only paired with Blues.
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I can safely predict the blues game will be on Halloween weekend at noon.
Somebody's made a big cock up the match is in November :)
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They must take into consideration nearby teams not playing on the same day etc?
Every club has a pair that doesn't play at home on the same day except once a season to get round the problem that half the league are always at home when the other half are away.
It must be more complicated for us because we always seem to be at home when both Baggies and Blues are away and vice-versa.
We're only paired with Blues.
When I first started watching Villa in the 70s, both Blues and Albion (and indeed Walsall and Coventry) would always play at home when we were away. Only Wolves would be at home when we were. This is something that appears to have continued up until the present day. It's worth noting that back in the 70s and further, fans would tend to float between clubs, often picking the most attractive fixture in a particular region to go to. In those days, Villa were always the most attractive side, even when they were not doing well. With attendance money a large part of a club's income in those days, teams would specifically ask to avoid playing at home when Villa did. These days, it's more likely to be for operational reasons that teams don't play at home on the same day.
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the fixtures look duller every season we are here
I see it differently.
I see nothing to fear in the league and a good chance to hit the ground running in August.
August? I have us undefeated until 10th November.
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the fixtures look duller every season we are here
I see it differently.
I see nothing to fear in the league and a good chance to hit the ground running in August.
August? I have us undefeated until 10th November.
I didn't want to appear too cocky but I agree it's doable.
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let's just see if we can actually start the season without predicting how long we'll go unbeaten. BTW Sky's super computer has us down for finishing...4th
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I must admit like the rest of you I was rather feeling down when I saw the fixtures this morning so looking forward to them coming out.
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I really don’t like Monday night games. It always feels like the weekend football takes place without us and the new season will feel feel like it’s starting without us.
Maybe it's a euphemism.
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I've tried downloading the fixtures from the Villa app to my calendar but nothing appears in it - hopefully that is not trying to tell me something
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Anyway, cba with Hull away on a Monday night... so may as well offer two references now if anyone wants them.
May as well take them now if you're offering.
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I've tried downloading the fixtures from the Villa app to my calendar but nothing appears in it - hopefully that is not trying to tell me something
I’ve managed to download it twice so you can have my spare if you want.
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When both sets of fans decide to behave, it will be on at a more convenient time. Until then, it's 12am on a Sunday. I can't see it changing anytime soon though.
Yes. So put the following match on a Wednesday, not Tuesday.
Which they very possibly will.
Would Forest agree to it though knowing they would be at an advantage of an extra days rest?
It's nothing to do with Forest, it's the League, who make the decision. Providing we give the EFL 28 days notice, they will agree to move the match to the Wednesday. See rules 26.3 and 26.4.
https://www.efl.com/-more/governance/efl-rules--regulations/section-5--fixtures/
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They must take into consideration nearby teams not playing on the same day etc?
Every club has a pair that doesn't play at home on the same day except once a season to get round the problem that half the league are always at home when the other half are away.
It must be more complicated for us because we always seem to be at home when both Baggies and Blues are away and vice-versa.
We're only paired with Blues.
When I first started watching Villa in the 70s, both Blues and Albion (and indeed Walsall and Coventry) would always play at home when we were away. Only Wolves would be at home when we were. This is something that appears to have continued up until the present day. It's worth noting that back in the 70s and further, fans would tend to float between clubs, often picking the most attractive fixture in a particular region to go to. In those days, Villa were always the most attractive side, even when they were not doing well. With attendance money a large part of a club's income in those days, teams would specifically ask to avoid playing at home when Villa did. These days, it's more likely to be for operational reasons that teams don't play at home on the same day.
Exactly. It's a hell of a coincidence that we're always away when Baggies are at home and vice versa if the league don't do it deliberately.
Every single year - what are the chances?!
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They must take into consideration nearby teams not playing on the same day etc?
Every club has a pair that doesn't play at home on the same day except once a season to get round the problem that half the league are always at home when the other half are away.
It must be more complicated for us because we always seem to be at home when both Baggies and Blues are away and vice-versa.
We're only paired with Blues.
When I first started watching Villa in the 70s, both Blues and Albion (and indeed Walsall and Coventry) would always play at home when we were away. Only Wolves would be at home when we were. This is something that appears to have continued up until the present day. It's worth noting that back in the 70s and further, fans would tend to float between clubs, often picking the most attractive fixture in a particular region to go to. In those days, Villa were always the most attractive side, even when they were not doing well. With attendance money a large part of a club's income in those days, teams would specifically ask to avoid playing at home when Villa did. These days, it's more likely to be for operational reasons that teams don't play at home on the same day.
Exactly. It's a hell of a coincidence that we're always away when Baggies are at home and vice versa if the league don't do it deliberately.
Every single year - what are the chances?!
We are paired with Blues. Albion are paired with Wolves. Other, informal, pairings occur all through the leagues and the four-way system we have is one of them.
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We've always been the opposite to WBA so there's something at play. Back in the 60/70s, my dad, like many others used to do Villa one week and the Albion the next so something is at play. Remember Villa are closer to Albion than any other club geographically.
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They must take into consideration nearby teams not playing on the same day etc?
Every club has a pair that doesn't play at home on the same day except once a season to get round the problem that half the league are always at home when the other half are away.
It must be more complicated for us because we always seem to be at home when both Baggies and Blues are away and vice-versa.
We're only paired with Blues.
When I first started watching Villa in the 70s, both Blues and Albion (and indeed Walsall and Coventry) would always play at home when we were away. Only Wolves would be at home when we were. This is something that appears to have continued up until the present day. It's worth noting that back in the 70s and further, fans would tend to float between clubs, often picking the most attractive fixture in a particular region to go to. In those days, Villa were always the most attractive side, even when they were not doing well. With attendance money a large part of a club's income in those days, teams would specifically ask to avoid playing at home when Villa did. These days, it's more likely to be for operational reasons that teams don't play at home on the same day.
Exactly. It's a hell of a coincidence that we're always away when Baggies are at home and vice versa if the league don't do it deliberately.
Every single year - what are the chances?!
We are paired with Blues. Albion are paired with Wolves. Other, informal, pairings occur all through the leagues and the four-way system we have is one of them.
So maybe the Villa/Blues pairing is paired with the Albion/Wolves pairing? Villa & Wolves home one week, Albion & Blues the next.
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Anyway, apart from December, all those other months look piss easy. Should be targeting to win all of them, 39 victories should see us as champions comfortably.
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So maybe the Villa/Blues pairing is paired with the Albion/Wolves pairing? Villa & Wolves home one week, Albion & Blues the next.
It'd save a lot of trouble but from way back there were only the two official pairings. There are some bizarre requests at times - Small Heath once wanted to be at home on Trev's birthday and Reading asked to be away on St Patrick's Day so London Irish, who share the Madjeski with them, could be at home.
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Remember Villa are closer to Albion than any other club geographically.
Urban myth time - the other place is 0.6 miles closer to Villa Park than the Estadio del Smethwick is.
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They've fucked around with the away scheme, which I do not like.
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Think Reading start most seasons with a home game as they always request to be away the weekend Reading festival is on which is usually August 25th or around that date.
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Think Reading start most seasons with a home game as they always request to be away the weekend Reading festival is on which is usually August 25th or around that date.
August bank holiday weekend.
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Think Reading start most seasons with a home game as they always request to be away the weekend Reading festival is on which is usually August 25th or around that date.
Things like that and Chelsea/QPR not playing at home on Notting Hill Carnival weekend are perfectly sensible. Incidentally, and I've said this before, one of the biggest moans from the "What do those clowns think they're doing?" element is when the longest journeys in the lower divisions are midweek. The clubs often ask for them to cut down on the need for overnight stays.
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They've fucked around with the away scheme, which I do not like.
What's changed? The last time I was in it, you lost privileges if you missed 3 aways in a row or something. Years ago, mind.
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They've fucked around with the away scheme, which I do not like.
What's changed? The last time I was in it, you lost privileges if you missed 3 aways in a row or something. Years ago, mind.
From.what I read earlier, you can send as many tickets back as you like now. Not sure what else has changed though.
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They don't post them out automatically, you have to go online to sort and they've added a £1.50 booking fee. Paying more for a poorer service.
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Anyway, cba with Hull away on a Monday night... so may as well offer two references now if anyone wants them.
May as well take them now if you're offering.
No worries. PM sent.
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They don't post them out automatically, you have to go online to sort and they've added a £1.50 booking fee. Paying more for a poorer service.
I thought having them sent out automatically was one of the conveniences of it? That's a bit odd.
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If it's any consolation, my Mrs is going to be affected by the fixtures as well.
We're going on holiday on Sunday 16th and she wanted to spend Saturday the 15th nearer our departure (Southampton)
If Blackburn away stays on the Saturday, she's going to be in for a disappointment because I'm going to that if I've got to miss the following 2 home games.
You can fly with Flybe from Manchester to Southampton that evening for £25 each. Sorted!
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Meanwhile Stoke are carrying on with their free coach travel for all league games.
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Meanwhile Stoke are carrying on with their free coach travel for all league games.
We’ll be having a whip round for the club on ours.
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Meanwhile Stoke are carrying on with their free coach travel for all league games.
If we are both down south the same weekend they could pick us up on the way.
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That it should come to this. I remember when the fixtures announcement afforded us a pleasant day’s dreaming of what was to come. Today, however, we have the following 5 glamour games to open our season...
Hull, Wigan, Ipswich, Brentford and Reading.
How the mighty have fallen. I could weep.
Agree but I also ( probably mistakenly ) thought 15 points 👍
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They don't post them out automatically, you have to go online to sort and they've added a £1.50 booking fee. Paying more for a poorer service.
I thought having them sent out automatically was one of the conveniences of it? That's a bit odd.
It's almost as if the club has been running at a massive loss and they've got to do something to sort it out...;)
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I like the look of the new away scheme.
You can book for the games that you want to go to and there is no removal from the scheme if you miss a number of games.
If you are missing a game you are no longer billed for it and have to take the ticket back to obtain a refund.
No need to let the club know if you change or lose your card.
Friends can book together and chose seats on the website, similar to Wembley.
The fee is annoying but no more than I pay to book other tickets on line.
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I like the look of the new away scheme.
You can book for the games that you want to go to and there is no removal from the scheme if you miss a number of games.
If you are missing a game you are no longer billed for it and have to take the ticket back to obtain a refund.
No need to let the club know if you change or lose your card.
Friends can book together and chose seats on the website, similar to Wembley.
The fee is annoying but no more than I pay to book other tickets on line.
How do you go about enrolling in this?
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Vinnie, I have just had renewal information giving a deadline of 29th June cost £25. Not sure about new members apart from the price being £40. Best to ring the ticket office I think. I can't find anything on the official site.
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Both Small heath games have been put back to 12pm on the respective Sunday's and the Forest game following the one is now on the Wednesday.
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Ah, good. Fair play to Forest if they've agreed that.
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Brentford home game now on Wednesday and on telly. Yeovil League Cup game is also on the box.
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Ah, good. Fair play to Forest if they've agreed that.
Don't need Forest's approval.
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I thought you did. I thought you could only request a change if the game is 48 hours or less after your previous one.
Might be wrong.
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I thought you did. I thought you could only request a change if the game is 48 hours or less after your previous one.
Might be wrong.
EFL rules 26.3 and 26.4 cover it, so in this case as long as we give the EFL 28 days notice and Forest are not playing on the Friday, then the match will automatically be moved to the Wednesday.
https://www.efl.com/-more/governance/efl-rules--regulations/section-5--fixtures/
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Ta.
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Both Small heath games have been put back to 12pm on the respective Sunday's and the Forest game following the one is now on the Wednesday.
It was always on the Wednesday. I printed off the fixtures on the day they were announced and it shows it as the Wednesday there.
Sorry - just realised you were talking about the away game.
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FYI - Rotherham (H) has been switched from Wednesday 19th September to the Tuesday 18th
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FYI - Rotherham (H) has been switched from Wednesday 19th September to the Tuesday 18th
Rotherham midweek is it. Probably will be our lowest league attendance for many a season particularly if we don't start the season great.
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Will this thread morph into the 'Games Moved for TV Season 2018/19' or do we need another thread for that ?
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Will this thread morph into the 'Games Moved for TV Season 2018/19' or do we need another thread for that ?
Is this game on TV ??
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Live TV games Blackburn away Sat 15 Sep and Norwich away Tue 23 Oct
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Brizzle City A - now Fri 28 Sep but doesn't look like it's on TV (Bristol rugby at home on the Sat)
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That got fucked about with last year, too. Boo.
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Brizzle City A - now Fri 28 Sep but doesn't look like it's on TV (Bristol rugby at home on the Sat)
Never mind Brexit there should be civil unrest on the streets if Football fixtures are moved for the sake of Rugby. I've been to a Rugby match, it was just a bunch of Tories standing 'round discussing new and inventive ways of fucking over the working classes while their fat mates did PE in the background.
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Gonna be a pain getting back from Blackburn, too. Arse bollocks.
How many seasons do we have to be down here before we stop being the main attraction?
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Nev - try telling that to my next door neighbour(s) One is Christian Wade and the other is Phil Boulton. You're talking shite.
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Gonna be a pain getting back from Blackburn, too. Arse bollocks.
I'm up in Munchester that weekend. I was hoping for a Sunday lunchtime KO.
I won't be able to make it for the Sat evening because I'll be having my brain melted by some heavy-psych music
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Gonna be a pain getting back from Blackburn, too. Arse bollocks.
How many seasons do we have to be down here before we stop being the main attraction?
I'd be careful saying things like that - the Villa will take that on as a challenge!