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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Toronto Villa on April 07, 2018, 02:23:17 PM
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Have at it. I’m lost for words as to how shit today was.
Steve Bruce proving again he’s well out of his depth. Enjoy the last few weeks of the biggest opportunity you’ve had in 20 years Steve. Next stop Barnsley or somewhere equally as bland.
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We're basically finishing fourth whatever happens aren't we?
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We're basically finishing fourth whatever happens aren't we?
Yeps
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Bollocks. Can I be arsed with the playoffs if this is how we're going to go into a pressure match? We're inconsistent home and away and I'm bloody sick of it now.
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We're basically finishing fourth whatever happens aren't we?
I'd settle for that at the moment.....still need points for the play-offs
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Fourth....if we’re lucky
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Let's face it boys get ready for at least another year in Div 2. He aint getting us up. Nice Bloke but a very average manager.
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Woefully inconsistent again. Can we hold it together for three whole games in May?
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Cardiff finally slip up last night. And Bruce serves up that pile of stinkin shit.
Will the owner pick up the phone and do the right thing. This team is deflated and floundering in a sea of tactical piss soup. We have zero chance in the playoffs if he stays.
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We're going to be in this league for a long time we'll just bottle the playoffs.
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Fuck off Villa. 4 points from 15 is a disgrace.
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Dire from the first minute to the last. No urgency, no passion and nothing from our clueless idiot of a manager. Rubbish all over the pitch.
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Wrong team. We beat Norwich playing Davis whose physicality exposed them. We have Grabban, Davis and JK to choose from and he goes with Hogan who was in the defenders' pockets all afternoon. Strange choices for an experienced manager and it was glaringly obvious at HT that the ball was not sticking and we were unable to build play. Instead we go gung-ho when it's too late and expose ourselves further. Piss poor against shitty team this last month.
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We're basically finishing fourth whatever happens aren't we?
Sorry mate, but if we cop a bollocking from Colin Wankers Cardiff, we might continue in a downward spiral and could miss the play offs!
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Taylor, Hourihane, Hogan and Adomah when he was on stood out as especially shit in a woeful performance. How can we play in such a lacklustre way on such an important day?
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Very wound up, this is so poor. All of them manager, players & coaches, hang your heads in shame. Since Wolves the performances and results, bar one, have not been good enough. You were going for automatic promotion, how can you not have been motivated ?? I don’t think we will drop out of the top six, but I don’t think we will get promoted.
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Feels like we've been here so many times over the last few years. We flatter to deceive but bottle it when under any pressure at all. Different managers, players,owners but the same old shit.
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A special mention for Hogan, rarely have we had a player who makes such little impact. 13 touches in a game of football is embarrassing, no matter what excuses are made for him.
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Utterly pathetic. The sooner Bruce is shown the door - the better.
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! >:(
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Stay in this league and we'll just hire some crap underachiever like Chris Coleman. Pulling power dims and before you know it we're Leeds United.
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At least we will have more Derbies next year, which seems to be the most important thing to most villa fans born post 1992.
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We never win there.
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We seem to be suffering with our old problem of not getting the ball forward quickly enough, we don't get to the bye line and we give the opposition too much chance to organise. Grealish, Hourahane and Thor are too cumbersome. Not knocking their effort but they're not quick enough and it's all very pedestrian. Grealish should play further forward in with Kodjia, Jedinak should play to protect the defence and we need a new midfielder with high energy and tempo who can get forward. The wide players can stay as they are but they need the ball played up to them quickly.
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The Scott Hogan Experiment has to END.
He simply doesn't understand his role on the pitch. We have to compensate for his inabilities far too often. I think has Grabban or Kodjia been on today we could've mustered an early goal. Scott Hogan can't find the ball but he's expected to put it in the net? Bomb squad please.
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A special mention for Hogan, rarely have we had a player who makes such little impact. 13 touches in a game of football is embarrassing, no matter what excuses are made for him.
We'd better hope whoever it is that inherits the Villa job builds his team around him, because he'll be the only striker we have that won't get picked off immediately.
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I think Bruce's "That's the Championship" will be the new "The lads were excellent" from Lambert.
That performance had nothing today. No effort, no desire and no tactics - again.
I'd love to know what changed after the Wolves game, because our season seemed to end then.
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Norwich really do have a history of fucking up our chances of doing something.
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Norwich won one in the last ten and they made us look second rate, we win games not because of Bruce but in spite of Bruce. Leaving Hogan on the pitch was disgraceful he should be sacked just for that. It is not the players they are plenty good enough for this division a half decent manager would have us qualifying, Bruce has lost the plot and if I was the owner I would sack him tonight hecause with him in charge we don't6 have a chance in the play-offs.
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Absolutely fucking shite. Fuck off you ******. Waste of my fucking time and every other fuckers.
I'd love to break my foot kicking every fucking one of those fucking ****** into next week. Fucking bottling shower of half arsed shite.
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Cannot seeing us even getting to fourth now! Bruce will have to go at the end of the season! Our owner is going to get pissed off real soon and will sell up! I can just see it happening because if we don't go up then all the plans for Villa Park go down the toilet!
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Absolutely fucking shite. Fuck off you c***s. Waste of my fucking time and every other fuckers.
I'd love to break my foot kicking every fucking one of those fucking c***s into next week. Fucking bottling shower of half arsed shite.
Now tell us what you really mean!
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That memory of serenading Wolves off the pitch will keep me warm on those lonely Tuesday evenings when we're drawing with Wigan.
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You just watch Norwich lose again next week. We are fourth yet I don't know how because we have had far too many days like this this season. Long ball to Hogan DOES NOT WORK yet he sticks with it. Kodjia will play up front on Tuesday I am sure. We need Hutton back because Taylor is crap. Bjarnason looked ok, Grealish was ok in bits and bobs, Hourihane needs to be on the end of stuff because he's not a creator and Elmo had one of his poorer gamers. So frustrating and it's so Villa. Whelan and Jedi will both start Tuesday I bet you.
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How does Grealish escape criticisim. Goal aside, he was fucking garbage
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Absolutely fucking shite. Fuck off you c***s. Waste of my fucking time and every other fuckers.
I'd love to break my foot kicking every fucking one of those fucking c***s into next week. Fucking bottling shower of half arsed shite.
Totally agree with everything you said!
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At least we will have more Derbies next year, which seems to be the most important thing to most villa fans born post 1992.
They have nothing else to get excited about. That they turn up at all is a credit to them, growing up watching Villa be an absolute shambles most of the time. Like me, I would imagine they're tired of hearing the endless droning on about the 70's and early 80's and just want to see their team win a few games.
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If he starts with Hogan on Tuesday against Cardiff’s back four then I’ll know he’s lost the plot.
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Absolutely fucking shite. Fuck off you c***s. Waste of my fucking time and every other fuckers.
I'd love to break my foot kicking every fucking one of those fucking c***s into next week. Fucking bottling shower of half arsed shite.
I’d like to say what a childish, pointless, foul mouthed rant this is. Except that it is a magnificently eloquent statement of the situation and a perfectly reasonable suggestion.
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Could we be any worse off if we sacked him tonight I don't think so.
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That was just pants. On paper Bruce has got possibly the best squad in the division, but 4 points in 5 games since thrashing Wolves, losing to the likes of QPR, Bolton and Norwich along the way, shows that he doesn't know how to set a team up to win. Inconsistence and caution are by-words for his tactics, and with that squad a decent manager should be storming this league. He'll be gone one way or another at the end of this season - if he can't beat the likes of lower half Championship teams he won't be offered the opportunity to further embarrass us at a higher level.
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How does Grealish escape criticisim. Goal aside, he was fucking garbage
He was the only one who could trap and pass a ball today.. please tell me you're kidding.
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Absolute crap, the lot of 'em.
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Not enough strikers on the pitch at any one time
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Norwich really do have a history of fucking up our chances of doing something.
So do Villa.
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Could we be any worse off if we sacked him tonight I don't think so.
I think it has got to the point where the club need to work out what is best for Aston Villa.
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Another thing! Those players no that they wont play in the premier league and that's why they don't work every week and Bruce no's he will be gone if we were to get promoted! Its just a shambles and i would have thought owner would have seen this!!!
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We seem to always have that kind of performance in the locker and we’ve seen it too often this season. Offered little going forward until we were left chasing the game and looked vulnerable at the back all afternoon, with the two full-backs being particularly poor.
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Grealish was our only playmaker and worked his bollocks off. Adomah was abysmal first half but so were most of them.
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Gave ourselves a chance and we blew it. Worst i've seen us play all season.
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How does Grealish escape criticisim. Goal aside, he was fucking garbage
I agree. It’s why I’ve consistently tempered my own expectations and adulation of him. He’s a very promising player and is still developing. He’s not England class. He might not even be PL level yet because if he was he’d have more influence in games where we need someone, anyone to step and make things happen. That’s what sets those players apart and in the PL, let alone international level he’ll be up against players every bit as good as him and many who are better. I’m sure Jack will come good, but he’s got a ways to go yet.
I’m not blaming him for today. They were all shit. But he scored and Hogan should have scored for his great cross. But outside of that he didn’t much of anything.
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How does Grealish escape criticisim. Goal aside, he was fucking garbage
He worked his bollocks off (in my opinion)
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Stay in this league and we'll just hire some crap underachiever like Chris Coleman. Pulling power dims and before you know it we're Leeds United.
The likes of Wolves & Fulham have been down here for a while, but they've managed to get there act together now. Perhaps if the VP hierarchy looked at what they're doing right in order to play attacking & very successful football, we might just have a better chance to build something which doesn't necessitate spunking multi-millions on aged ex-Premier players - who should be either be hanging up their boots or buggering off to the MLS.
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My way of dealing with this afternoon is my long held belief that we were never going straight up. Coupled with a conviction that we will at least make the play off final, we are on course. So all ok really.
Unless we play like that in the semis where I am likely to go fuckin' postal.
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Slow, one paced shite.
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How does Grealish escape criticisim. Goal aside, he was fucking garbage
He worked his bollocks off (in my opinion)
Of all the people to pick on Grealish? Seriously?
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How does Grealish escape criticisim. Goal aside, he was fucking garbage
He worked his bollocks off (in my opinion)
Same here, the only player trying to impose himself on the game.
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We appointed a championship manager so we have got a championship team. It's not that hard to understand.
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Play-offs it is then. Fuck it, can’t believe how shite we were today.
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Stay in this league and we'll just hire some crap underachiever like Chris Coleman. Pulling power dims and before you know it we're Leeds United.
The likes of Wolves & Fulham have been down here for a while, but they've managed to get there act together now. Perhaps if the VP hierarchy looked at what they're doing right in order to play attacking & very successful football, we might just have a better chance to build something which doesn't necessitate spunking multi-millions on aged ex-Premier players - who should be either be hanging up their boots or buggering off to the MLS.
The galling thing is that while we could possibly rip up the Villa Engine thing and get a leftfield, tactically aware coach who scours the world for a team which wins in the way we think football should be played, our leitmotif is to say 'we need to be back we we belong' so we'll go for the next cab off a very mediocre rank and spend horrendous amounts of money doing so.
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We never win there.
We have done, but we won't if we put in the sort of shitehouse 'performance' like today. I take it you witnessed just how pathetic we actually were? Play like that against anyone - & we'd have got stuffed.
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we still need at least two wins for the playoffs to be guaranteed. At the moment I can see us doing a Leeds 2016/17
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I've really loosing faith in this team. Just when are the leaders going to step up. No excuses we should have gone to Norwich and had a right go from the first minute. We just let the game drift and suddenly 2-0 down and chasing the game. We only played on the front foo from this point. Terrible tactics yet again from Bruce. How negative will he be in the play offs? Just not good enough, I'm afraid.
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How does Grealish escape criticisim. Goal aside, he was fucking garbage
He worked his bollocks off (in my opinion)
Good point, he always puts the shift in, just not effective today.
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How does Grealish escape criticisim. Goal aside, he was fucking garbage
He worked his bollocks off (in my opinion)
Absolutely. And what's this "goal aside" shite? Why would you choose to ignore an attacking player doing the most important thing an attacking player can do?
Grealish and Bjarnason were the only two outfield players to escape criticism today, as far as I'm concerned.
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From now on he needs to start with Kodjia. The man needs to be a hundred percent for those playoff games.
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Boy are we going to get pasted on Tuesday.
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It's been my considered opinion since we were relegated that we would be down here for a very long time. I think I may have posted something about it but can't remember so it's not that I am now jumping on a Bruce Out bandwagon, I've voted to sack him each time the poll has been re-set.
It really does frighten me that I may never see my team play in the top-flight of English football ever again. Extreme? Maybe, but for me it's a sobering thought.
The appointment of RDM was less than inspiring and the appointment of Bruce almost as bad. I'm all for stability but we need to be stabilised by people who know what they are doing and that includes appointing the right manager to bring about that stability. Bruce is not the answer.
I was never 100% sure that Ferguson was the brilliant tactician that the media made him out to be, although people will point out that twenty-five years of trophies disproves that and, to a degree they have a point. What Ferguson was good at was, for most of his time he surrounded himself with good coaches, people knew what needed doing and advised him so, and he had the ability to listen. I'm very upset about this today.
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All down to Bruce today. Sets up as a defensive unit with 1 striker against a poor team. It's these decisions that have cost us.
Today was all about attacking from kick off with a bit of aggression. Yet it's all too slow and sidewards. Sick off Bruce. The only thing is his playoff record...
Time to completely change the team now in the run in to see who wants it
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Boy are we going to get pasted on Tuesday.
I'll stay at home and not put the telly or internet on then.
Thanks for the heads up
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Stay in this league and we'll just hire some crap underachiever like Chris Coleman. Pulling power dims and before you know it we're Leeds United.
The likes of Wolves & Fulham have been down here for a while, but they've managed to get there act together now. Perhaps if the VP hierarchy looked at what they're doing right in order to play attacking & very successful football, we might just have a better chance to build something which doesn't necessitate spunking multi-millions on aged ex-Premier players - who should be either be hanging up their boots or buggering off to the MLS.
The galling thing is that while we could possibly rip up the Villa Engine thing and get a leftfield, tactically aware coach who scours the world for a team which wins in the way we think football should be played, our leitmotif is to say 'we need to be back we we belong' so we'll go for the next cab off a very mediocre rank and spend horrendous amounts of money doing so.
You could well be right (unfortunately), but the parachute money has all been squandered now: so no throwing umpteen millions on overpriced & overpaid chancers. Well, that's assuming the owner intends to stick to FFP rules - & doesn't decide to chance his wallet to achieve his glorious 5-year-Plan of world domination...
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How does Grealish escape criticisim. Goal aside, he was fucking garbage
He worked his bollocks off (in my opinion)
Good point, he always puts the shift in, just not effective today.
He's a talent but he does slow the game down. That suits Bruce tactics I suppose but I'd prefer more pace in a championship team
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A special mention for Hogan, rarely have we had a player who makes such little impact. 13 touches in a game of football is embarrassing, no matter what excuses are made for him.
If he'd gone for that cross with his head at 2-1 it might have been a different story. God only knows what he was trying to do trying to get a foot on it. Grabban needed to be up top at that point.
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How does Grealish escape criticisim. Goal aside, he was fucking garbage
He worked his bollocks off (in my opinion)
Good point, he always puts the shift in, just not effective today.
He's a talent but he does slow the game down. That suits Bruce tactics I suppose but I'd prefer more pace in a championship team
Know what I'd prefer? A team that puts their boot through the ball when they're seven yards from goal. Constantly passing it around the box and conceding possession is getting right on my tits.
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I was talking to the old man earlier today - he supports ManU but always asks me about Villa. Knocking on a bit now and doesn’t really know about what’s happening with either club, but when I said we’ll probably make the playoffs, the first thing he said was ‘I hope they don’t choke’ I hope we don’t either, but we probably will. The sad thing is we’ve got a squad that should get us out of this league- but only 50/50 chance at best in my view that we will. That’s down to the manager really.
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I think our defence was very poor today. They looked shaky everytme Norwich attacked ,we yet again played like a team of individuals not a team, our players running off the ball is woeful. If we lose again on Tuesday we won’t be dead certs for the playoffs. Leaving us looking nervously over our shoulders for the last four games.
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I'm annoyed not just because of the loss, but because the game against Cardiff would have been one of the biggest games we've played in years. I was really looking forward to going into that needing a win.
Now, I don't care. Because it doesn't matter.
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only it does - we still need points and we've simply got to stop the rot.
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I'm annoyed not just because of the loss, but because the game against Cardiff would have been one of the biggest games we've played in years. I was really looking forward to going into that needing a win.
Now, I don't care. Because it doesn't matter.
Cardiff will enjoy. Great away trip for them.
I'd like to see Kodjia start. Bin Hogan once and for all.
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It wouldn't surprise me if we beat Cardiff.
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I kind of feel sorry for Hogan - if we don't go up he'll be a big scapegoat for the goals that could have gotten us there, when really it's management shortcomings. Having said that, I still don't want him in a Villa team, as I'm not quite sure what we get out of playing him.
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I kind of feel sorry for Hogan - if we don't go up he'll be a big scapegoat for the goals that could have gotten us there, when really it's management shortcomings. Having said that, I still don't want him in a Villa team, as I'm not quite sure what we get out of playing him.
He's got '20 goals next season on loan at automatically re-promoted Huddersfield' written all over him.
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Hogan is the sort of player we've seen down the Villa a hundred times before. Seemingly bought for no other reason than he was doing pretty well for a club we consider to be our interiors and therefore assumed would automatically thrive in the illustrious surroundings of Villa Park. Unfortunately it doesn't work like that and, more often than not, said player proves to have been over-achieving at his previous club and what's more becomes a scapegoat.
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I'm generally of the opinion that strikers need to be big strong bastards, or pacey little bastards. Hogan is neither here nor there.
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only it does - we still need points and we've simply got to stop the rot.
True mate but 4th, 5th or 6th, you're still going to have to go through play offs.
The one consolation for me is at least we put that run together from January until the Blues game and have all but secured a play off spot. At least we haven't completely blown it.
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Can’t say I’m surprised but bitterly disappointed. Up with this we should not put.
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Play-offs not guaranteed. Not while Bruce continues in charge.
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This type of performance has become too frequent recently, Q.P.R, Bolton, Hull and today. Just hope Fulham catch Cardiff as I don't want to face them in the P.O.
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Play-offs not guaranteed. Not while Bruce continues in charge.
As good as.
We aren't going to finish 7th from here.
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Hogan is the sort of player we've seen down the Villa a hundred times before. Seemingly bought for no other reason than he was doing pretty well for a club we consider to be our interiors and therefore assumed would automatically thrive in the illustrious surroundings of Villa Park. Unfortunately it doesn't work like that and, more often than not, said player proves to have been over-achieving at his previous club and what's more becomes a scapegoat.
I'm not sure we've ever had a player who contributes so little. He makes Darren Bent look like Dean Saunders.
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This type of performance has become too frequent recently, Q.P.R, Bolton, Hull and today. Just hope Fulham catch Cardiff as I don't want to face them in the P.O.
I'd genuinely be more concerned if we had to play Norwich or QPR again. It's results against average shite which have defined us.
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Play-offs not guaranteed. Not while Bruce continues in charge.
As good as.
We aren't going to finish 7th from here.
You're probably right. However Millwall are winning and will be 7 points back if they can see it out today. If our form continues and they keep picking up points it's going to be massively nervous day last game of the season at their place.
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Johnson -nothing spectacular and kicking was average
Taylor - LW and slow should of got closer for the first goal and seemed to get worse after it. Not strong enough as a defender and doesn't do anything attacking wise either
Elmohamady - Get ball punt up line repeat x100 ..lack of pace exposed 2nd half
Terry - Looking his age , distribution is still decent but looks leggy
Chester - Looks worn out needs a break , caught out of position a few times
Hourihane - if he doesn't score he doesn't make an impact no idea why he was kept on when again we were losing Mf battle
Thor - did ok gets around pitch and passing was mostly good , one nice ball to Elmohamady in FH.Shooting was poor and struggled to create anything
Grealish - Scored and ran himself into ground but has no options to pass to .He was in the centre , wid left then wide right but no options for him. Needs to be played further forward
Snoddgrass - Very poor Norwich out muscled him and had too much pace on the flanks for him to do anything
Adomah - Also poor games like this him playing on weaker side shows him up , when Snoddy isn't performing he should be moved back to RM
Hogan - Makes good runs but is so isolated he is just not going to effect the game.He don't attack as a team its left to individuals and thats why he is struggling
Kodjia - Looks much fitter and got an assist. Dropped far to deep to get the ball at times due to lack of midfield but its a positive he looks closer to full fitness
Grabben- looked like a striker playing out of position ,waste of time him playing wide
Bruce same old shit , panics when losing throws on more attackers and empties midfield.Those strikers then play out of position or have to drop deep to get the ball.The guy has been found out as as his basic tactics at the worst time.If this was earlier in season he would be facing the sack but as so close to the end I expect he will plod on ..if he gets us out of the league it will because Kodjia etc have pulled something out of the bag in the game.
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I know you can't point the finger at one player today, but we never seem to play well when Taylor plays, Albert seems to play worse too when he plays. I'd be interested to see the point stats for when he starts.
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Complete & utter bottle job!
Bruce has to get out of the mindset that anything be under 22 can’t handle playing - there is no way Bree or Clark would do a worse job than Taylor - he doesn’t attack and his pathetic attempts to get near Murphy for the first goal were a joke.
Also, Adomah - ok he has scored a good few goals earlier in the season but he seems to be the first to go missing, he jumps out of tackles - he should be on the bench at bench & should have been for the last 3/4 games.
Hogan, will never be a player under Bruce & his ‘tactics’
So it’s the play offs, hopefully win, lose or draw in those that is it for Bruce, nice guy but with the resources he had at his disposal second was the bare minimum, he has failed.
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Goodness only knows what mood the brilliant traveling support will be in when they get home today. They all deserve a medal after getting up at dawn's crack to witness that steaming turd of a 'performance' (not to mention a refund).
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How does Grealish escape criticisim. Goal aside, he was fucking garbage
He worked his bollocks off (in my opinion)
Absolutely. And what's this "goal aside" shite? Why would you choose to ignore an attacking player doing the most important thing an attacking player can do?
Grealish and Bjarnason were the only two outfield players to escape criticism today, as far as I'm concerned.
Both were piss poor today.
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Long journey there. First train 06.35. Now on a long journey back to Brum. Had to interject when overhead “oh we’ll be alright” when talking about playoffs. Not with those tactics and starters. ‘A frank’ discussion persisted. Some people are deluded and these people watch us week in week out. FFS
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Ah well I find this League really exciting.
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Long journey there. First train 06.35. Now on a long journey back to Brum. Had to interject when overhead “oh we’ll be alright” when talking about playoffs. Not with those tactics and starters. ‘A frank’ discussion persisted. Some people are deluded and these people watch us week in week out. FFS
Since Bruce has been the Manager there has been some misguided faith that despite all the evidence to the contrary, it will be all right.
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Complete & utter bottle job!
Bruce has to get out of the mindset that anything be under 22 can’t handle playing - there is no way Bree or Clark would do a worse job than Taylor - he doesn’t attack and his pathetic attempts to get near Murphy for the first goal were a joke.
Also, Adomah - ok he has scored a good few goals earlier in the season but he seems to be the first to go missing, he jumps out of tackles - he should be on the bench at bench & should have been for the last 3/4 games.
Hogan, will never be a player under Bruce & his ‘tactics’
So it’s the play offs, hopefully win, lose or draw in those that is it for Bruce, nice guy but with the resources he had at his disposal second was the bare minimum, he has failed.
I agree with all of this.
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I fell asleep at 0-0 and woke as Grealish scored, took a while to realise it wasn’t the goal to put Villa one up.
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We need to give our heads a wobble.
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Long journey there. First train 06.35. Now on a long journey back to Brum. Had to interject when overhead “oh we’ll be alright” when talking about playoffs. Not with those tactics and starters. ‘A frank’ discussion persisted. Some people are deluded and these people watch us week in week out. FFS
Since Bruce has been the Manager there has been some misguided faith that despite all the evidence to the contrary, it will be all right.
There have also been people calling for his head prematurely. Sometimes the people in the former camp are right.
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Grabban, ex-Norwich and scored a hatrick for Sunderland against Norwich back in August............Bruce starts him on the bench. Hogan on his own up top just isn't working, especially when Snodgrass and Adomah are off their game.
Bruce regretted not freshening things up after the Wolves game and fell into the same trap again today.
Have to say though Taylor is not a very good player.
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Long journey there. First train 06.35. Now on a long journey back to Brum. Had to interject when overhead “oh we’ll be alright” when talking about playoffs. Not with those tactics and starters. ‘A frank’ discussion persisted. Some people are deluded and these people watch us week in week out. FFS
Since Bruce has been the Manager there has been some misguided faith that despite all the evidence to the contrary, it will be all right.
There have also been people calling for his head prematurely. Sometimes the people in the former camp are right.
Prematurely?
I thought you were playing Right Back.
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Very very frustrating watch.
Too many back wards and sideways passing.
Once snoddy went off grealish should have been wide and Kodjia other side right. Grabban and Hogan right up top. Some at times Grabban was wide right and he's a centre forward.
Bruce had to be ruthless with JT looked a struggle for him why carry him on at 0-0 Jedinak looked all set to come on
More forward passing and wide play to by line was needed and more movement off ball. Having Hogan loan flurry was tough and just so disappointed that never took advantage.
Grealish took goal well but very frustrating and I think if just stayed wide and further up field rather than Hourihane being there been better anyway was a surprise but lacking In rotating and using squad.
Just hope we put in better performance against Cardiff and Leeds
Up the villa.
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Long journey there. First train 06.35. Now on a long journey back to Brum. Had to interject when overhead “oh we’ll be alright” when talking about playoffs. Not with those tactics and starters. ‘A frank’ discussion persisted. Some people are deluded and these people watch us week in week out. FFS
Since Bruce has been the Manager there has been some misguided faith that despite all the evidence to the contrary, it will be all right.
There have also been people calling for his head prematurely. Sometimes the people in the former camp are right.
Prematurely?
I thought you were playing Right Back.
Ha ha. It just bugs me that people think sacking SB now would be a good idea, it most certainly won't, when we still have a chance of promotion.
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Long journey there. First train 06.35. Now on a long journey back to Brum. Had to interject when overhead “oh we’ll be alright” when talking about playoffs. Not with those tactics and starters. ‘A frank’ discussion persisted. Some people are deluded and these people watch us week in week out. FFS
Since Bruce has been the Manager there has been some misguided faith that despite all the evidence to the contrary, it will be all right.
There have also been people calling for his head prematurely. Sometimes the people in the former camp are right.
Prematurely?
I thought you were playing Right Back.
Ha ha. It just bugs me that people think sacking SB now would be a good idea, it most certainly won't, when we still have a chance of promotion.
Agree. The instability it would create right now would likely mess up any chance we have at promotion. As it is, it's still possible that we could anti-football our way through the play-offs and into the PL. However personally I'd like to see him gone within a few days of that final whistle at Wembley if we we somehow do it. On this season's evidence, we are CLEARLY not equipped in terms of both personnel and on a coaching level for the Premier League AT ALL. And making good additions to the playing staff will only solve half of that problem.
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I kind of feel sorry for Hogan - if we don't go up he'll be a big scapegoat for the goals that could have gotten us there, when really it's management shortcomings. Having said that, I still don't want him in a Villa team, as I'm not quite sure what we get out of playing him.
Agree to extent.
However he should have flown in with his head not foot today and would have scored at 2-1 down. Led with foot. No Scott!! and also should have scored at 0-0 v reading. He misses chances
Villa need to play to his strengths.
Team and squad is disjointed as certainly very talented. It's brilliant Bruce tactics and his claim he's a 442 man 2 up top. Hogan would work with another striker or with a style of play. Those slide balls yo him rather than him competing against big defenders would work.
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Whilst I see some folks are blaming Bruce yet again (despite picking the side i hoped) i'm going to give the players a good old fuck off
Defence, all of em looked well below their best. Ragged at times.
Midfield, what midfield ? Bjork did alright but Hourianne had one of his Mr Anonymous performances and Snoddy and Albert were fucking woeful just as they both have been since the Dogheads win. They're so invisible at times it's baffling how they keep getting picked. But that said, imagine the outcry if Bruce did drop either knowing how important their respective goals/assists have been?. Total no win situation for Cribbins.
Grealish, floated about looking neat and tidy but never seemed to have the required intensity/fire in his play that was called for today
Hogan, as with the Reading game. You watch him and you see the movement and runs and wonder how on earth non of his teammates do. Works hard and eventually runs out of steam due to our inability to spot he's on the pitch for 80 minutes a game.
Subs, all tried but all made decisions that were poor as well.
Bruce, picked the team i thought and hoped he would. Can't see how he can be blamed for their collective ability to fuck it up out on the pitch by looking abject and utterly devoid of any urgency.
Fucking twats.
UTV
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Aston Villa boss Steve Bruce slams his players, admitting: 'They've let themselves down'
The manager also admitted that he felt for supporters after the 3-1 defeat
Steve Bruce reckons his Aston Villa players let themselves and the supporters down in the battering at Carrow Road.
Any faint hopes of automatic promotion were extinguished with this 3-1 defeat and Bruce was quick to slam his under-performing stars.
“We didn’t do enough,” he said.
“Supporters get up at five or six o’clock to support their team.
“The supporters have been brilliant, they have sold out everywhere they go.
“You always feel you have let them down.
“But I think the players have let themselves down and the team.”
“We’ve squandered a good opportunity and that’s when it becomes disappointing and frustrating,” said Bruce.
“It ain’t over, certainly not with five games left and six for others.
“But the last few games we have found ourselves wanting.”
“What that is down to, I don’t know.
“That’s the most disappointing thing.
“I didn’t think there was any zip to us at all from the first whistle.
“I thought Norwich were the same in the first-half.
“I thought they were just as lacklustre. The kid scores a great goal.
“The second and the third goal are then so unlike us. In the end we got what we deserved, which was absolutely nothing.”
Goals from Josh Murphy, Dennis Srbeny and James Maddison inflicted a third defeat in five games on Villa, who had brief ray of light when Jack Grealish pulled one back at 2-1.
But in truth the scoreline could have been even greater in favour of the hosts with Norwich boss Daniel Farke admitting: “We could have scored five or six’.
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Bruce is the manager, got some of the players and has a say on how they perform, sets training sessions (not sure on this), gives the pre match & half time talks and tactics & tells players how to play, how quick he wants the ball moved or slowed down. Makes tactical changes during the match, makes substitutions during the match. If a players doesn’t do what he wants, he drops them the next match.
I do understand that the players have a responsibility to play, but this is Steve Bruce’s team and the buck stops with him.
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Aston Villa boss Steve Bruce slams his players, admitting: 'They've let themselves down'
The manager also admitted that he felt for supporters after the 3-1 defeat
Steve Bruce reckons his Aston Villa players let themselves and the supporters down in the battering at Carrow Road.
Any faint hopes of automatic promotion were extinguished with this 3-1 defeat and Bruce was quick to slam his under-performing stars.
“We didn’t do enough,” he said.
“Supporters get up at five or six o’clock to support their team.
“The supporters have been brilliant, they have sold out everywhere they go.
“You always feel you have let them down.
“But I think the players have let themselves down and the team.”
“We’ve squandered a good opportunity and that’s when it becomes disappointing and frustrating,” said Bruce.
“It ain’t over, certainly not with five games left and six for others.
“But the last few games we have found ourselves wanting.”
Goals from Josh Murphy, Dennis Srbeny and James Maddison inflicted a third defeat in five games on Villa, who had brief ray of light when Jack Grealish pulled one back at 2-1.
But in truth the scoreline could have been even greater in favour of the hosts with Norwich boss Daniel Farke admitting: “We could have scored five or six’.
It was poor, really poor.
“My reaction, as it always is when we play like that, is disappointment.
“I didn’t think we did enough from the first whistle to the last and got what we deserved.
“The disappointing thing is we gave ourselves a wonderful chance through performances during the season and the last three of four games we have been found wanting.
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Bruce is the manager, got some of the players and has a say on how they perform, sets training sessions (not sure on this), gives the pre match & half time talks and tactics & tells players how to play, how quick he wants the ball moved or slowed down. Makes tactical changes during the match, makes substitutions during the match. If a players doesn’t do what he wants, he drops them the next match.
I do understand that the players have a responsibility to play, but this is Steve Bruce’s team and the buck stops with him.
I agree, we've seen countless times this season alone how a good manager can get seemingly average players to transform the way they play. Coaching and improving players matters - it's not a case of just a group of good players being put out in 'a formation', geeing them up a bit, and expecting them to perform. That's a 20th century way of looking at management.
Did Conor Coady, previously Baker-esque Ryan Bennett or Matt Doherty at Wolves think they could play in the style they have done under Nuno before this year at Wolves? Probably not.. A good manager and tactician could have got those players to play in a way that would have won that match against an average team at a canter. We need one!
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It's the " last 3 or 4 games" kind of stuff that pisses me off. It isn't Steve, it's the last 10 games, nearly a quarter of the season. 14 points which is 1.4 ppg, not even play-off form.
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He talks utter shit and devious with it too ..he can fuck off with all this I feel for the fans shit .He basically distancing himself from any responsibility ,your not a fan Steve sitting on the side powerless the team have no shape and no guidance thats on you and if they are just not performing well if you brought them then again it goes back to you
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Watched four hours behind as my van broke down .
Absolute woeful again , how shite Reading must be .
Adomah has been pants ever since Wolves , how he starts I just dont know but people will say who else can Bruce play , well mr Blobby would create more and thats for Bruce to sort.
The full backs were shite especially taylor , rubbish . conor had one of his what have you done today games .
I thought Thor and grealish at least put the effort in and whats the point in playing ronnie corbett up front on his own when you just hoof it up to him .
Bruce is out of date he should be managing Bolton to be fair , If he sneaks the play offs , the prem wont be pretty for us . He just hasnt got alPLan B , thou is Plan A was pathetic today.
shower of Shite
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I know you can't point the finger at one player today, but we never seem to play well when Taylor plays, Albert seems to play worse too when he plays. I'd be interested to see the point stats for when he starts.
I think that's because Huttons rampaging runs might always end in nothing, but they give defences something else to think about. When Hutton isn't there, it's far to easy to mark Albert out of the game.
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The game finished at 14.15ish and I’m still travelling home. Grrrrr.
Oh and to whoever was singing in desperation “John Terry, he’s won more than you” You can fuck off as well. Pathetic.
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How does Grealish escape criticisim. Goal aside, he was fucking garbage
What game were you watching?
Also Hogan needs to be dropped asap. Can't fault his effort but brings nothing apart from that to the party.
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A day that started with the news that the best away pub in the country has turned into home fans only. And it only got worse from there.
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“.. the last few games we have found ourselves wanting. What that is down to, I don’t know."
Words fail me.
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It's the " last 3 or 4 games" kind of stuff that pisses me off. It isn't Steve, it's the last 10 games, nearly a quarter of the season. 14 points which is 1.4 ppg, not even play-off form.
But the six games prior we won four, no? So it's mainly been the last three of four.
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No indeed as we won 3.
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What has happened to Adomah and snodgrass?
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Bottlers in action (http://www.skysports.com/football/norwich-vs-a-villa/375108)
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What has happened to Adomah and snodgrass?
Teams have worked us out and stopped them playing.
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“.. the last few games we have found ourselves wanting. What that is down to, I don’t know."
Words fail me.
Well Steve you're paid a lot of money to know just that. Unless you'd care to step off the gravy train.
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Six hours later and I still feel fcukin sick at today’s performance.
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What has happened to Adomah and snodgrass?
Teams have worked us out and stopped them playing.
Press those two and Grealish into going backwards and we're largely screwed. You don't need to press us high all over the pitch, just pressure on those three is enough.
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For whatever reason Mr Bruce has found it impossible to fashion a team from the talent he has at his disposal. Wolves have a team. Fulham have a team. Millwall have a team. So it can't be all that difficult.
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A bloody long day, thankfully over now. Quite how we managed to turn in such a half arsed performance despite the fantastic opportunity presented to us surely has to be the fault of the manager. In the past month we have managed to undo most of the good work we did post-Xmas, and there doesn’t seem to be an explanation from Bruce, or any indication that he has what it takes to address it.
I’m therefore thinking that big decisions needed to be made at the end of the season, because quite simply this isn’t good enough.
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How does Grealish escape criticisim. Goal aside, he was fucking garbage
He worked his bollocks off (in my opinion)
Absolutely. And what's this "goal aside" shite? Why would you choose to ignore an attacking player doing the most important thing an attacking player can do?
Grealish and Bjarnason were the only two outfield players to escape criticism today, as far as I'm concerned.
Both were piss poor today.
On par with your understanding of the game then.
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Whilst I see some folks are blaming Bruce yet again (despite picking the side i hoped) i'm going to give the players a good old fuck off
Defence, all of em looked well below their best. Ragged at times.
Midfield, what midfield ? Bjork did alright but Hourianne had one of his Mr Anonymous performances and Snoddy and Albert were fucking woeful just as they both have been since the Dogheads win. They're so invisible at times it's baffling how they keep getting picked. But that said, imagine the outcry if Bruce did drop either knowing how important their respective goals/assists have been?. Total no win situation for Cribbins.
Grealish, floated about looking neat and tidy but never seemed to have the required intensity/fire in his play that was called for today
Hogan, as with the Reading game. You watch him and you see the movement and runs and wonder how on earth non of his teammates do. Works hard and eventually runs out of steam due to our inability to spot he's on the pitch for 80 minutes a game.
Subs, all tried but all made decisions that were poor as well.
Bruce, picked the team i thought and hoped he would. Can't see how he can be blamed for their collective ability to fuck it up out on the pitch by looking abject and utterly devoid of any urgency.
Fucking twats.
UTVo
Spot on regarding the midfield. I've long held the view that Adomah is garbage, and although I accept he had a purple patch he was always going to revert to his true form.
The defence was undermined by the abysmal Taylor.
Should have with either grabban or kodija from the start up front.
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Quote from: Mortimer's Bear on Today at 06:34:13 PM
What has happened to Adomah and snodgrass?
Teams have worked us out and stopped them playing.
Why not switch wings? Even a Sunday League manager would give that idea 10/15 minutes.
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Sad to say it, but the one thing that worries me more than the prospect of this squad of players with this manager failing to get promotion is the prospect of this squad of players with this manager being promoted.
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It took only 5 mins of that game to see that we lacked intensity and drive.
To me it was a carbon copy of how we approached the QPR game.
Tha fact the Norwich played at walking pace, and we were still standing off them was absolutely fucking criminal.
So many shit players, but special mention for Taylor who was total gash and Hourihane who ponces around like a fucking tosser.
I said it before and I’ll say it again, we have fucking bottled it, bottled it big style.
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Whilst I see some folks are blaming Bruce yet again (despite picking the side i hoped)
We're blaming him because he's fucked up when we had a moment of opportunity. We're blaming him 'again' because it's happened again. I don't think that matters one fucking jot whether you were happy with the line-up at kick-off.
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Whilst I see some folks are blaming Bruce yet again (despite picking the side i hoped)
We're blaming him because he's fucked up when we had a moment of opportunity. We're blaming him 'again' because it's happened again. I don't think that matters one fucking jot whether you were happy with the line-up at kick-off.
All of this.
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It took only 5 mins of that game to see that we lacked intensity and drive.
To me it was a carbon copy of how we approached the QPR game.
Tha fact the Norwich played at walking pace, and we were still standing off them was absolutely fucking criminal.
So many shit players, but special mention for Taylor who was total gash and Hourihane who ponces around like a fucking tosser.
I said it before and I’ll say it again, we have fucking bottled it, bottled it big style.
We should have been flying for first 15-20 mins given their form of late. But no we instead decided to play at a friendly game pace with zero intensity. Thought we were crying out for a double change at half time but Bruce's subs are rarely proactive.
Special mention to Terry (second goal) and Chester (third) for their Micah Richards impressions. Grealish's goal should have been saved too.
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It''s all down to the play off''s now As soon as they are over can we please get rid of Bruce whether we are successful or not
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Bruce is the problem, not the squad.
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I'm finding that it helps by reminding myself it could be worse - we could be Sunderland
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I've really loosing faith in this team.
To quote from Bob Dylan’s Positively 4th Street “ you say you’ve lost your faith, but that’s not where it’s at, you had no faith to lose, and you know it”. Speaks for me anyway.
In a sense Villa never let me down because to quote Teenage Fanclub (bear with me, I’m on a roll) from their classic song ‘The Cabbage ‘ ...”asked you for nothing, that’s what I got”. And talking of vegetables, Bruce has gorra goo Tom.
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I really feel for Hogan. He works his socks off, makes great runs but our midfield don't see it, and then play the ball in the air when the central defenders easily beat him to it. If they played to his strengths you'd see a better player. Terrible performance and I really do not want to go up with this squad because we'd come straight back down.
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What has happened to Adomah and snodgrass?
Their play is too predictable; they’re very easy to defend against.
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Bruce.
https://mobile.twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/982620430816210944/video/1
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I've really loosing faith in this team.
To quote from Bob Dylan’s Positively 4th Street “ you say you’ve lost your faith, but that’s not where it’s at, you had no faith to lose, and you know it”. Speaks for me anyway.
In a sense Villa never let me down because to quote Teenage Fanclub (bear with me, I’m on a roll) from their classic song ‘The Cabbage ‘ ...”asked you for nothing, that’s what I got”. And talking of vegetables, Bruce has gorra goo Tom.
Funnily enough I've had Orange Juice's 'Rip It Up' (& Start Again) going through my mind since the third goal went in today.
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I thought we played okay in the first half but knew that we should have scored from at least one of several chances. The Murphy goal was cruel but Taylor gave him far too much space. Second half was like that at Hull, except that we conceded more goals.
I agree with an earlier poster that Davis - or at least Grabban - would have given the Naaarwich defence much more of a game.
The real worry is that (i) we’re on a downward trajectory, (ii) we continue to lack alternative plans when plan A fails, (iii) the manager seems to lack the insight to pick teams that present the oppo we face with real challenges; and, (iv) the players seem unable to lift themselves when under pressure.
Part of me is thinking that another season in this league will be necessary, to get rid of Potatohead and to develop a team that really wants it.
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How can Bruce reintroduce the intensity and motivation required to be successful in the play-offs? I'm sorry but I just don't see it happening.
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We need two more wins in the last five. Where are they coming from?
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Such is life under Bruce I wouldn't be surprised if we finished the season with 8 wins. Or went 7 without a win.
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How can Bruce reintroduce the intensity and motivation required to be successful in the play-offs? I'm sorry but I just don't see it happening.
I can’t see it either. I bet the hierarchy think the same.
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How can Bruce reintroduce the intensity and motivation required to be successful in the play-offs? I'm sorry but I just don't see it happening.
I can’t see it either. I bet the hierarchy think the same.
It I was the good Doctor I would be seriously considering my options tonight.
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with fulham winning today makes it a gripping end to the season for all clubs in the mix . tuesday can't come quick enough for us in south wales after wolves beat us last night . it's going to the wire
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with fulham winning today makes it a gripping end to the season for all clubs in the mix . tuesday can't come quick enough for us in south wales after wolves beat us last night . it's going to the wire
Yours to throw away, we are out of automatic and you will be playing a team lacking confidence and energy.
A rare opportunity for you to win at Villa Park.
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How can Bruce reintroduce the intensity and motivation required to be successful in the play-offs? I'm sorry but I just don't see it happening.
I can’t see it either. I bet the hierarchy think the same.
It I was the good Doctor I would be seriously considering my options tonight.
I'm pleased you're not.
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How can Bruce reintroduce the intensity and motivation required to be successful in the play-offs? I'm sorry but I just don't see it happening.
I can’t see it either. I bet the hierarchy think the same.
It I was the good Doctor I would be seriously considering my options tonight.
I'm pleased you're not.
You like 2nd division football?
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with fulham winning today makes it a gripping end to the season for all clubs in the mix . tuesday can't come quick enough for us in south wales after wolves beat us last night . it's going to the wire
Yours to throw away, we are out of automatic and you will be playing a team lacking confidence and energy.
A rare opportunity for you to win at Villa Park.
I'd put money on us to win. No pressure.
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well i wouldn't say rare chicago as we have never really played too much in the last 30 years ! think my grandad said he went to villa park in the 50's and saw us win well that's what he told me when he was alive . i,m sure SB will get your players fired up against us so you never know . never in a million years think we would be challenging for the top 2 at this stage of the season so i think it's next to a miracle what warnock has done for us . would have been happy with a top 10 finish at the start of the season especially when you look at what you and wolves have spent
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well i wouldn't say rare chicago as we have never really played too much in the last 30 years ! think my grandad said he went to villa park in the 50's and saw us win well that's what he told me when he was alive . i,m sure SB will get your players fired up against us so you never know . never in a million years think we would be challenging for the top 2 at this stage of the season so i think it's next to a miracle what warnock has done for us . would have been happy with a top 10 finish at the start of the season especially when you look at what you and wolves have spent
So pretty rare then.
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How can Bruce reintroduce the intensity and motivation required to be successful in the play-offs? I'm sorry but I just don't see it happening.
I can’t see it either. I bet the hierarchy think the same.
It I was the good Doctor I would be seriously considering my options tonight.
I'm pleased you're not.
You like 2nd division football?
There is no f***ing way Xia is sacking Bruce before the end of the season. Sorry.
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How can Bruce reintroduce the intensity and motivation required to be successful in the play-offs? I'm sorry but I just don't see it happening.
I can’t see it either. I bet the hierarchy think the same.
It I was the good Doctor I would be seriously considering my options tonight.
I'm pleased you're not.
You like 2nd division football?
There is no f***ing way Xia is sacking Bruce before the end of the season. Sorry.
Pity, he deserves it. The big potato flop.
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well i wouldn't say rare chicago as we have never really played too much in the last 30 years ! think my grandad said he went to villa park in the 50's and saw us win well that's what he told me when he was alive . i,m sure SB will get your players fired up against us so you never know . never in a million years think we would be challenging for the top 2 at this stage of the season so i think it's next to a miracle what warnock has done for us . would have been happy with a top 10 finish at the start of the season especially when you look at what you and wolves have spent
Fair play to Cardiff. We are where we are at the moment because of our inadequacies at our club.
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first of all if clash city rocker is a reference to the clash tune i salute you my fav band . the punk thing is still pretty big down here well us oldies keep it going . as for the football as i tell everyone money isn't the answer to everything . i've read a few times on here what does inadequancies mean ? your manager has a pretty decent track for instance . changing managers doesn't always solve anything ask birmingham fans for example . what you need is a manager who has fight and leadership in the championship . look we are not pretty to watch as you will see on tuesday but all our players will die for the cause win , lose or draw
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Don’t they use capital letters in Wales?
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Diolch yn fawr iawn villabear
that's confused you - haha
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Leave Dinas alone he’s not bad for a visitor.
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Leave Dinas alone he’s not bad for a visitor.
He's a lizard wearing a human mask?
Give my best to Diane Dinas!
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Dinas, I think Cardiff's direct style and pace will do us on Tuesday. I hope I'm wrong. I also think, if Grealish plays, Colin Wanker will order violence against him.
Perhaps we should wait for the match thread to open before we debate that one!!
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first of all if clash city rocker is a reference to the clash tune i salute you my fav band . the punk thing is still pretty big down here well us oldies keep it going . as for the football as i tell everyone money isn't the answer to everything . i've read a few times on here what does inadequancies mean ? your manager has a pretty decent track for instance . changing managers doesn't always solve anything ask birmingham fans for example . what you need is a manager who has fight and leadership in the championship . look we are not pretty to watch as you will see on tuesday but all our players will die for the cause win , lose or draw
The Clash live had a load more energy about them than Villa did today.
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The Clash dead, had more energy that Villa did today!!
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The Clash dead, had more energy that Villa did today!!
Agreed....and sad
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clash city rocker i take your word on that . sham 69 getting an airing on my new turntable as a i type . hurry up harry come on - haha
perhaps i should be posting that on a birmingham forum -haha
kippa it's ok i,m on a rivals board so i fully expect a bit of jip . fully expecting far more sheep jokes to be honest
exactly newby
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clash city rocker i take your word on that . sham 69 getting an airing on my new turntable as a i type . hurry up harry come on - haha
perhaps i should be posting that on a birmingham forum -haha
kippa it's ok i,m on a rivals board so i fully expect a bit of jip . fully expecting far more sheep jokes to be honest
exactly newby
Sham 69 ? I remember years ago having a right tear up at Bingley Hall Brum with their Cockley followers.
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Leave Dinas alone he’s not bad for a visitor.
He's a lizard wearing a human mask?
Give my best to Diane Dinas!
That takes me back! That scared the shit out of me as a kid.
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Don’t compare the mighty Clash to Sham 69, it’s like comparing Lionel Messi with Agbonlahor.
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Now you come to mention it Dinas, what do you call 70 sheep tied to a post in wales? A leisure centre.
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Don’t compare the mighty Clash to Sham 69, it’s like comparing Lionel Messi with Agbonlahor.
Agreed...shouldn't be mentioned in the same thread.
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absolutely no fighting for the cause in the Villa side. The older players in the side look tired and knackered.
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chris jameson the clash are the godfathers of the punk rock scene to me but i love sham too
clash city rocker it was mental when sham played top rank in cardiff too back then . the cockney kids were sent home back to london packing never too return to south wales . the punk thing exploded all over south wales and south wales is a very tough area
as for the footie could go either way tuesday night i,m in bits especially after last night against wolves
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chris jameson the clash are the godfathers of the punk rock scene to me but i love sham too
clash city rocker it was mental when sham played top rank in cardiff too back then . the cockney kids were sent home back to london packing never too return to south wales . the punk thing exploded all over south wales and south wales is a very tough area
as for the footie could go either way tuesday night i,m in bits especially after last night against wolves
I've been in bits for years following the Villa. However one day the mighty Villa will return and the great fans of the most beautifully named football team in the world will again rejoice and show that we are amongst the greatest fans on god''s earth. Remember that roar that went around Wembley with a couple of minutes to go against Liverpool.
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An absolutely abject performance.
From kick off I thought the players were flat and lacked energy, as did the crowd ( both sets of fans). But our play was mainly sideways and lacking zip, with Adomah and Snodgrass notably off the pace going forward.
Taylor, who was poor all afternoon, gave too much space to Murphy - I think he was scared of being dragged too far infield - and that gave them a buzz for the 2nd half. In which we were generally awful. Too many players below par, for me only Grealish and Bjarnason were above average.
Hogan makes good runs but nobody sees them, not even Jack. Fuck knows what they do in training. Once again we barely troubled their keeper.
I was on the front row in seat number 1 by the corner flag so a shit place from which to analyse ( especially with a gaggle of stewards, cops and a bleeding cameraman fanning around) but a pissed idiot on a motorbike could see we had no pattern to our play, and the subs made no difference, probably because I can’t imagine they practice with that front 3 in training. We got exactly what we deserved.
Momentum has disappeared and I fear for us against Cardiff.
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Absolutely fucking shite. Fuck off you c***s. Waste of my fucking time and every other fuckers.
I'd love to break my foot kicking every fucking one of those fucking c***s into next week. Fucking bottling shower of half arsed shite.
Hooray. The penny has dropped.
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A soulless display a neutral fan would have been hard pressed to know which club was pressing for promotion.
If we keep on loosing games and Millwall keep on winning them,then the final game could well determine that 6th place play off spot-and quite frankly i wouldnt fancy our chances.
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now I know how Derby fans feel every season
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Norwich really do have a history of fucking up our chances of doing something.
not sure where you get that idea from our record is W32 (inc league cup final)-L20
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Sorry duplicate post.
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Very similar to the QPR performance, a complete lack of energy, commitment and aggression.
That said I thought we had slightly the better of the first half until the wonder goal. Second half just shite.
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We are so annoyingly inconsistent, from game to game but also from half to half. Decent without being great to start with yesterday but then we offered so little after going behind. Fingers will get pointed at the manager, it’s the easy thing to do, and he clearly has to take some of the blame but there has to be more to it for experienced players who we know can perform so much better not to be able to put it right on the pitch themselves.
We should still reach the play offs but which version of Villa will turn up for them is anybody’s guess.
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We are so annoyingly inconsistent, from game to game but also from half to half. Decent without being great to start with yesterday but then we offered so little after going behind. Fingers will get pointed at the manager, it’s the easy thing to do, and he clearly has to take some of the blame but there has to be more to it for experienced players who we know can perform so much better not to be able to put it right on the pitch themselves.
We should still reach the play offs but which version of Villa will turn up for them is anybody’s guess.
I think I can guess.
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An absolutely abject performance.
From kick off I thought the players were flat and lacked energy, as did the crowd ( both sets of fans). But our play was mainly sideways and lacking zip, with Adomah and Snodgrass notably off the pace going forward.
The lack of urgency was utterly bizarre, considering what was at stake.
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I keep reading about all these fantastic sports science thingymebobs that tell the coaches which players are knackered in training. I don’t know why we bother paying for them as half the team looked tired to me.
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I keep reading about all these fantastic sports science thingymebobs that tell the coaches which players are knackered in training. I don’t know why we bother paying for them as half the team looked tired to me.
That shouldn’t have been an issue yesterday surely, we had made changes for the previous game which was a stroll where we had been able to take some players off early.
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Aston Villa boss Steve Bruce slams his players, admitting: 'They've let themselves down'
The manager also admitted that he felt for supporters after the 3-1 defeat
Steve Bruce reckons his Aston Villa players let themselves and the supporters down in the battering at Carrow Road.
Any faint hopes of automatic promotion were extinguished with this 3-1 defeat and Bruce was quick to slam his under-performing stars.
“We didn’t do enough,” he said.
“Supporters get up at five or six o’clock to support their team.
“The supporters have been brilliant, they have sold out everywhere they go.
“You always feel you have let them down.
“But I think the players have let themselves down and the team.”
“We’ve squandered a good opportunity and that’s when it becomes disappointing and frustrating,” said Bruce.
“It ain’t over, certainly not with five games left and six for others.
“But the last few games we have found ourselves wanting.”
“What that is down to, I don’t know.
“That’s the most disappointing thing.
“I didn’t think there was any zip to us at all from the first whistle.
“I thought Norwich were the same in the first-half.
“I thought they were just as lacklustre. The kid scores a great goal.
“The second and the third goal are then so unlike us. In the end we got what we deserved, which was absolutely nothing.”
Goals from Josh Murphy, Dennis Srbeny and James Maddison inflicted a third defeat in five games on Villa, who had brief ray of light when Jack Grealish pulled one back at 2-1.
But in truth the scoreline could have been even greater in favour of the hosts with Norwich boss Daniel Farke admitting: “We could have scored five or six’.
When the manager of Norwich city, and I mean no disrespect to them, says"we could of had 5 or 6" it tells it's own story. Bruce is a nice guy but you don't get a trophy for that. Hes clearly not up to the task. The club desperately needs a shot in the arm and the should be scouring the planet for a manager who can get us back where we want to be. They're out there and we have to find the right man. Who'd heard of Nuno before this season? Bruce out.
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Tiredness would normally kick in in the latter stages of the game, Shirley.
Adrenalin usually takes care of that in the early part of the contest. Unless it is chronic tiredness. Or Bruce slipped a few Zolpidem into the pre match meal. Which come to think of it...
It looked like a conscious effort by us to take the pace out of the game right from the outset. Which is odd. They were on a bad run, and a quick start could have had them shiteing it.
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It looked it though, the first goal was a wonder strike but the intensity to deny him space just wasn’t there. I thought the only player to look like he had ‘zip’ was Barney.
Whether that was physical or mental deficiency I can’t say but it wasn’t there.
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Our lack of urgency has been apparent throughout the whole of Bruce’s reign. From throw-ins, to goal-kicks to moving the ball quickly. The only game i can think off where we have upped the tempo and pressed for the whole match is wolves at home.
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Tuesday's match couldn't have taken much out of the players as it was like a training match, so why so many lacked energy is a mystery. As others have said, they pressed on Adomah and Snodgrass and that's two thirds of our creativity negated.
Apart from Wolves, when we have really had to win we have failed. We've flunked the apparently simpler exams against QPR, Bolton, Hull and Norwich so that doesn't bode well for the harder tests of the play-offs.
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To beat us currently
1)Stop the wingers - double up on them
2)Pressure the fullbacks into aimless punts
3)Kick Grealish
4)Take the lead
5)Wait for Bruce to clear out the midfield
6)Relax for rest of game as our extra strikers run back to our own half to get the ball due to no midfield
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What has happened to Adomah and snodgrass?
Teams have worked us out and stopped them playing.
Press those two and Grealish into going backwards and we're largely screwed. You don't need to press us high all over the pitch, just pressure on those three is enough.
You are spot on with that statement.
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Even Reading achieved that successfully till Barny peached one in.
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I thought Grealish was one paced compared with what he was doing when he first came back into the team.
He was outshone by Maddison who looks to be off to Leicester for next season, shame.
We played with no pace, this allied with teams getting into our faces means we have been found lacking at the time we needed to be up for the test.
First goal was a good one to be fair just like Barney's the other night. We concede and then struggle to raise our game.
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I thought Grealish was one paced compared with what he was doing when he first came back into the team.
He was outshone by Maddison who looks to be off to Leicester for next season, shame.
We played with no pace, this allied with teams getting into our faces means we have been found lacking at the time we needed to be up for the test.
First goal was a good one to be fair just like Barney's the other night. We concede and then struggle to raise our game.
BB has a bit of zip to him, Chester too but the rest of the side yesterday is fairly one paced throughout. Hogan unfortunately doesn't have the pace to get on to balls played behind the centre backs. Think we need to get Kodjia back starting for next few games.
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What has happened to Adomah and snodgrass?
Teams have worked us out and stopped them playing.
Press those two and Grealish into going backwards and we're largely screwed. You don't need to press us high all over the pitch, just pressure on those three is enough.
You are spot on with that statement.
Exactly right, simple.
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It looked like a conscious effort by us to take the pace out of the game right from the outset. Which is odd. They were on a bad run, and a quick start could have had them shiteing it.
Agreed. Two Norwich fans were walking to the ground behind me and one said to the other that he was going to leave once they were 2 down. The other replied that he would therefore be gone by half time. They had no confidence but we allowed them to get into the game.
Unrelated, but the friendliest ground staff, including police, that I have come across in a long time.
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Unrelated, but the friendliest ground staff, including police, that I have come across in a long time.
So as there must be balance in life you have to go to Millwall.
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The Norwich fans were booing their team after half an hour. That should have been the spur to put them to the sword.
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Unrelated, but the friendliest ground staff, including police, that I have come across in a long time.
So as there must be balance in life you have to go to Millwall.
Do your research, who is Millwall reserve team goalkeeper?
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Grealish was every bit as good as Maddison in that game. You ask a neutral to say which player they would want-most would go for Jack.
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Unrelated, but the friendliest ground staff, including police, that I have come across in a long time.
So as there must be balance in life you have to go to Millwall.
Do your research, who is Millwall reserve team goalkeeper?
David Martin
Ryan Sandford - U23's
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Tuesday's match couldn't have taken much out of the players as it was like a training match, so why so many lacked energy is a mystery. As others have said, they pressed on Adomah and Snodgrass and that's two thirds of our creativity negated.
Apart from Wolves, when we have really had to win we have failed. We've flunked the apparently simpler exams against QPR, Bolton, Hull and Norwich so that doesn't bode well for the harder tests of the play-offs.
It did concern me a little to hear Bruce at length in the pre match interview about tiredness and fatigue. It almost sounded as if the whole set up at the club are talking themselves into it. There was an international break recently during which very few of our players featured for their respective countries, so that would have given a chance for players to rest. Also, playing midweek games is part of playing in the football league due to the increased number of teams in the league. If players can’t handle that schedule then surely you have to start asking some questions about them.
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To beat us currently
1)Stop the wingers - double up on them
2)Pressure the fullbacks into aimless punts
3)Kick Grealish
4)Take the lead
5)Wait for Bruce to clear out the midfield
6)Relax for rest of game as our extra strikers run back to our own half to get the ball due to no midfield
6 of 30.
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Weren't Norwich playing the other night? Everyone is tired but you feel it less when winning. We also had the luxury of taking off a couple of key players early against Reading once the game was won. I wonder if he really means the older players - whom he signed, are feeling the strain of a long season in which case he should have factored that into his recruitment.
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Unrelated, but the friendliest ground staff, including police, that I have come across in a long time.
So as there must be balance in life you have to go to Millwall.
I have to agree with this, the polite, friendly & helpful steward as I entered the stand really stood out.
Things went downhill from there.
I made a point of thanking him as I left.
To come full circle, I was a steward at Milwall as a student.
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Apart from Appleyard, everyone who played against Norwich is 30 or younger, they really should be able to cope. Especially as has been said, the Reading game will hardly have been a physical or mental drain.
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Sitting there before the wolves game I never expected us to win 4-1 but the villa suprised me. After the Wolves game I didn't expect us to be so shite but then again the villa suprised me. To say we are a jekyll and Hyde team is an understatement.
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I keep reading about all these fantastic sports science thingymebobs that tell the coaches which players are knackered in training. I don’t know why we bother paying for them as half the team looked tired to me.
It did occur to me if the lack of urgency was related to an early kick off time, but surely all the sports science stuff makes sure their circadian rhythms/body clocks are adjusted a bit to be up and at em a few hours earlier...
I don't read the game from the side of the pitch as well as many, so appreciate others seeing perhaps Snoddy & Albert were just effectively shut down, but we just looked rudderless and the opposite of Klopps pressing game at times. It's so easy to be simplistic, there were tiimes though we did press on, there was a moment before their goal I remember saying to my Dad 'the natives are restless' as they booed a backpass. But we seeemd to work the ball backwards far too often, maybe that's a credit to them? And gave them space from which they conjured up a beauty. The surprised locals then woke up.
I was just disappointed things not working got left so long. Hogan just isn't going to win and hold a long ball up enough is he? Whilst I guess it was a front three in the end and they did switch about, for a period Grabban and Kodjia on wings and little Hogan in the middle just looked silly.
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Sitting there before the wolves game I never expected us to win 4-1 but the villa suprised me. After the Wolves game I didn't expect us to be so shite but then again the villa suprised me. To say we are a jekyll and Hyde team is an understatement.
I'm not sure we are a Jekyll and Hyde or simply that we are heavily reliant on a few players to produce match winning performances on a regular basis for us. The form of Adomah and Snodgrass has dipped over the last few weeks and although he hasn't been playing poorly, Grealish is not quite delivering the kind of performances he was earlier on in the year.
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To beat us currently
1)Stop the wingers - double up on them
2)Pressure the fullbacks into aimless punts
3)Kick Grealish
4)Take the lead
5)Wait for Bruce to clear out the midfield
6)Relax for rest of game as our extra strikers run back to our own half to get the ball due to no midfield
6 of 30.
7. Turn up
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To beat us currently
1)Stop the wingers - double up on them
2)Pressure the fullbacks into aimless punts
3)Kick Grealish
4)Take the lead
5)Wait for Bruce to clear out the midfield
6)Relax for rest of game as our extra strikers run back to our own half to get the ball due to no midfield
6 of 30.
7. Turn up
8. Make sure Bruce knows it’s the Championship.
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I've been to Norwich away, a quarter final midweek game and we won. It's a bloody long trip but the win made it all worthwhile. I feel really sorry for those that were there on Saturday and suffered the long trip home after watching that performance.
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To beat us currently
1)Stop the wingers - double up on them
2)Pressure the fullbacks into aimless punts
3)Kick Grealish
4)Take the lead
5)Wait for Bruce to clear out the midfield
6)Relax for rest of game as our extra strikers run back to our own half to get the ball due to no midfield
6 of 30.
7. Turn up
8. Make sure Bruce knows it’s the Championship.
9. No Huffball especially when playing Tirien Lanister as your Centre forward.
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I've been to Norwich away, a quarter final midweek game and we won. It's a bloody long trip but the win made it all worthwhile. I feel really sorry for those that were there on Saturday and suffered the long trip home after watching that performance.
Out at 7 and back at ten to 7. It was a loooooooong trip.
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I accept it is a long, hard season in the championship with plenty of midweek games. But it is the same schedule for every team and, if anything we have a bigger and stronger squad than most in this division.
As for early kick offs, yes they are usually played in a 'flat' atmosphere but it is the same for both teams.
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I accept it is a long, hard season in the championship with plenty of midweek games. But it is the same schedule for every team and, if anything we have a bigger and stronger squad than most in this division.
Yep, I don’t hear Fulham complaining.
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I keep reading about all these fantastic sports science thingymebobs that tell the coaches which players are knackered in training. I don’t know why we bother paying for them as half the team looked tired to me.
It did occur to me if the lack of urgency was related to an early kick off time, but surely all the sports science stuff makes sure their circadian rhythms/body clocks are adjusted a bit to be up and at em a few hours earlier...
I don't read the game from the side of the pitch as well as many, so appreciate others seeing perhaps Snoddy & Albert were just effectively shut down, but we just looked rudderless and the opposite of Klopps pressing game at times. It's so easy to be simplistic, there were tiimes though we did press on, there was a moment before their goal I remember saying to my Dad 'the natives are restless' as they booed a backpass. But we seeemd to work the ball backwards far too often, maybe that's a credit to them? And gave them space from which they conjured up a beauty. The surprised locals then woke up.
I was just disappointed things not working got left so long. Hogan just isn't going to win and hold a long ball up enough is he? Whilst I guess it was a front three in the end and they did switch about, for a period Grabban and Kodjia on wings and little Hogan in the middle just looked silly.
Kodjia as a wide atatcker in a front three is workable but Grabban is no good there but worse is that is seemed Grealish was also play wide so in effect it was some kind of 4-2-4 with the midfield being hopeless.I'm of the opinion that now teams have worked out how to stop the wide players ( Snoddgrass no pace , stop him coming inside /Adomah keep him on left foot) the 2 in midfield doesn't work ..if the 2 wingers and Grealish are forced out of the game by being doubled up on /kicked we need a cm who can bring the ball forward and make things happen ..
Hogan you can see him making smart runs and when we play on the floor he is effective and moving defenders around but then we resort to lumping it and even if he did win it in the air , look around him there is no one close enough to pick the ball up.Also if we want to cross it especially if we are sticking tall strikers on then I'd rather Adomah on right using his pace to get to byline and whip balls in
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Basically, we are a mishmash of a team!
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One thing I have realised in this division is that we probably do have far more player who are busy on international breaks than most teams. I think that in the Championship, most teams wil have 1 or 2 at most heading off, whereas we probably have nearer to 8 or 9. It does mean that other teams get more of a rest, or and opportunity to train/drill than we do when those 'weekends off' come around.
That said, with the squad we have I would still expect us to be able to cope - although international duty has hit our injury list at times too!