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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Legion on March 17, 2018, 07:22:46 PM
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Play-offs. I hope.
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What a difference a week makes in football.
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0 points from QPR at home and Bolton is shit. Nowhere near good enough today.
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Utter, utter shit. To think one week ago at this exact time we had just battered Wolves.
We deserved nothing from the game.
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I posted this at Lunchtime:
This thread is way more pessimistic than it should be imo
Granted they have good home form but only won 1/8
Back on track Villa, come on
Yup. We only struggle against the teams that can play football. I can't see Bolton outplaying us today. It will be a fight but we should have too much for them. A very handsome Villa win today and we're all left to wonder how we managed to lose to QPR. 5-0 Villa
We struggle defending set pieces.
Saw Bolton a fair bit in league one last year and they scored a fair few from corners, David Wheater (remember him) scored about 10 for them.
They will target Johnstone and also Bree given he's out of position and not the biggest.
If I can see it, SB surely can see it?!
The match I was dreading, Bolton nick one from a set piece and then stick men behind the ball and we don't have a clue how to break it down.
Not good. Automatic promotion is over.
If we don't sort out our defending from corners (Johnstone come off your line and actually catch it!) Boro will be looking forward to seeing us.
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Not great.
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Does potato not realise...if you take all the midfielders off and put a bunch of forwards on, you won’t become any more attacking! Dreadful substitutions meant we went backwards with the subs
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That was just never going to be our night. Oh well Wembley here we come I hope!
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God that’s frustrating
Can’t say we played well
Still had enough chances to win that
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!
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FFS
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Absolutely woeful I can’t see us getting up we'll just bottle the playoffs.
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take off the two main assist kings and play four strikers
how hourinae gets a game I dont know - hes been crap for mths
thor was hopeless even in the snow
we were dull
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Utter, utter shit. To think one week ago at this exact time we had just battered Wolves.
We deserved nothing from the game.
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Blown it
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Woeful. Regardless of what happens he needs to go in the summer. Finishing lower than second with the money spent is unacceptable.
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Last season 80 points was enough for the play offs. Bruce needs to steady the ship if we’re going to achieve that.
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I hate that we desperately sacrifice our midfield for a load of bollocks strikers. Just shite tactics. Well done Bolton. Grr.
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I posted this at Lunchtime:
This thread is way more pessimistic than it should be imo
Granted they have good home form but only won 1/8
Back on track Villa, come on
Yup. We only struggle against the teams that can play football. I can't see Bolton outplaying us today. It will be a fight but we should have too much for them. A very handsome Villa win today and we're all left to wonder how we managed to lose to QPR. 5-0 Villa
We struggle defending set pieces.
Saw Bolton a fair bit in league one last year and they scored a fair few from corners, David Wheater (remember him) scored about 10 for them.
They will target Johnstone and also Bree given he's out of position and not the biggest.
If I can see it, SB surely can see it?!
The match I was dreading, Bolton nick one from a set piece and then stick men behind the ball and we don't have a clue how to break it down.
Not good. Automatic promotion is over.
If we don't sort out our defending from corners (Johnstone come off your line and actually catch it!) Boro will be looking forward to seeing us.
It’s not Bruce’s fault that Bjarnason went to sleep
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Going on a winning run, followed by a losing run is what we've done regularly under Bruce. The only hope now is that we are in one of our good runs by the end of the season going into the play offs.
The most dissapointing thing is we have since this type of defeat way to many times under Bruce.
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A resounding boo. Not a very good performance. At all.
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Boooooooooo
Fucking shit. No fight. No tactics. No plan. Out fought, out thought and deservedly beaten. Going up? With Bruce in charge? We'd get fucked every week.
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Just when we were in desperate need of a reaction after Tuesday's debacle, we end up bottling it.
Piss poor.
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Absolute garbage.
Can't believe the contrast between last Saturday and this evening.
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We were total garbage, I don't understand why but we are completely bottling it.
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Not much to say really. Bolton did a job on us and roughed us up. We all know the limitations of a Bruce side but i guess we'll have to add soft touches to the list. Only 1 team really wanted that result i'm afraid. Well done to Neil Warnock........
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Deserved nothing but the weather fucked us again as the footballing side.
Pathetic tactics towards the end. The four forwards hardly had a touch.
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Bolton deserved it. I hate that have to type that.
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Crap decision making, leading to hoofball. Nil points from two gimme games. Forget automatic promotion, it's gone. We can only hope to gain a bit of momentum in time for the play offs, if we get there!!
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Second time in a week we've gotten dicked by a team we should be playing off the pitch.
I can take losing, everyone loses now and again, it's the not looking remotely competitive against teams floating around the arse end of the league like turds that won't flush that gets to me.
D- not acceptable.
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The wheels have well and truly come off the juggernaut this week
Unbelievable until you realise you are talking about the Villa
For us "old uns it's like a 're- run of watching the club over the last 50+ years - I feel for my son's'generation
Once again he looks me in the eye and says
" we really are shit aren't we?"
Hard to argue
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For Bolton read QPR.
Press us high up the pitch, close us down and we are beatable.
I hope, if we make the play offs, that we play a footballing team rather than someone similar.
We might s5and a chance then.
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I think Bruce gave up on automatic even after the Wolves game.Can be no other reason for such capitulation in these two matches
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Damage was done against qpr we’ve fucked it big time just got to hope we make play offs and then it’s a lottery
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Worst side we have lost to all season, gifted them goal and the second half it just felt like they had throw in after throw in and all taken very slowly. Garbage result. QPR was gutting, I feel positively suicidal tonight.
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It's been a horrible one
We were in it until the end
We're still there or thereabouts
Bolton play in a certain way and they are a good team
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What is it about Villa Managers playing against Phil Parkinson teams that causes them to lose the plot by playing four strikers and no providers?
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Just fuck off. It had to be fucking us not Wolves, not Cardiff , not Fulham to go shit face. Shambolic.
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It’s all a bit MON March, we looked fucked again, the decision to just chuck on forwards without any idea of how to get the ball to them is just nuts.
I think we will make play offs, no idea in what position.
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The wheels have well and truly come off the juggernaut this week
Unbelievable until you realise you are talking about the Villa
For us "old uns it's like a 're- run of watching the club over the last 50+ years - I feel for my son's'generation
Once again he looks me in the eye and says
" we really are shit aren't we?"
Hard to argue
Well, it's not really that hard to argue. Two piss poor results, but were you and your son sharing that sentiment this time last week?
I doubt it.
Yes, today was awful, and so was QPR, but let's get a grip here.
We are fourth, it's a fucking long season, bad results happen.
We have been considerably shitter than we currently are for almost the entirety of the last seven years.
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Ref was crap.
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Just fuck off. It had to be fucking us not Wolves, not Cardiff , not Fulham to go shot face. Shambolic.
Yes mate. Fucking dreadful.
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Just fuck off. It had to be fucking us not Wolves, not Cardiff , not Fulham to go shot face. Shambolic.
Has someone had a little drink? ;D
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Both teams were really poor and a point would have been about right. You can't expect much from a game like that though if you're going to hand goals on a plate.
We really seem to struggle when we go gung ho though. The last few games it's been like watching Lambert's team against Bradford, we lose all shape. I feel like we'd have been better off making no changes we've been that shit since the subs.
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Snow joke.
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Thor, bree and elmo poor. Grabban marked out if the game. Where has the fight from last week gone?
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Just hope we can stay in the play-offs!
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That is automatic promotion up in smoke, and on that form we might not make the play offs let alone win them.
Pissed off.
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Good comment on sky
Too much reliance on individual players and not enough of a plan.
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Boooooooooo
Fucking shit. No fight. No tactics. No plan. Out fought, out thought and deservedly beaten. Going up? With Bruce in charge? We'd get fucked every week.
Thanks, Oz. Agree completely. Nothing else needs to be said.
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I think sometimes you just have to take your hat off to the opposition and accept that you've lost to a truly great team. It happens. Add to that having to step out in front of a partisan, passionate home support in a packed out colossus of a stadium and you can see why they struggled, it must have been like stepping into a cauldron. We won't face that every week.
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I posted this at Lunchtime:
This thread is way more pessimistic than it should be imo
Granted they have good home form but only won 1/8
Back on track Villa, come on
Yup. We only struggle against the teams that can play football. I can't see Bolton outplaying us today. It will be a fight but we should have too much for them. A very handsome Villa win today and we're all left to wonder how we managed to lose to QPR. 5-0 Villa
We struggle defending set pieces.
Saw Bolton a fair bit in league one last year and they scored a fair few from corners, David Wheater (remember him) scored about 10 for them.
They will target Johnstone and also Bree given he's out of position and not the biggest.
If I can see it, SB surely can see it?!
The match I was dreading, Bolton nick one from a set piece and then stick men behind the ball and we don't have a clue how to break it down.
Not good. Automatic promotion is over.
If we don't sort out our defending from corners (Johnstone come off your line and actually catch it!) Boro will be looking forward to seeing us.
It’s not Bruce’s fault that Bjarnason went to sleep
Nope, but it is his fault that the last half an hour was fucking horrible because we had Jack and a drunk looking Thor as our entire midfield against 5 of them, every time Jack got the ball in the last 20 he had 3 players around him because they knew that the only other thing we had was a long hoof that their defence were happy defending. That was, in my opinion, worse than the Lambert clusterfuck against Bradford because at least in that game we scored.
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take off the two main assist kings and play four strikers
how hourinae gets a game I dont know - hes been crap for mths
thor was hopeless even in the snow
we were dull
It was The Charge of the Shite Brigade, innit.
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The Wolves game was the highlight of the season, we're reduced to our normal inconsistency of early in the season.
We never looked like scoring today and a place in the top 6 is still far from certain if this continues.
Bruce certainly looked pi**ed off on the touchline the last 20 minutes as we had no idea how to break them down.
Last week was just a lucky coming together of the team which has not happened very often.
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We’ve become small time. The Wolves game was our cup final. We’ve just shit the fucking bed since.
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Hugely disappointing. That's any chance of automatic gone now, we've shit the bed. I'd didn't expect it to be us that would but we have, the pressure got to us.
Need to make sure we consolidate a play off spot and hope for the best.
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Utter, utter shit but all very predictable after Tuesday night. No plan B when we go a goal down, lamp as many strikers on as possible and hope for the best. Even at Sheff Wednesday we were very fortunate to win that game.
We will fail spectacularly in the play offs, we will have the most pressure on us and our players will bottle it.
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Embarrassing and unacceptable. For a club of this size, with the squad we have, it’s an utter disgrace to have bottled it at this stage of the season. The last two games have been fucking dismal.
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I think sometimes you just have to take your hat off to the opposition and accept that you've lost to a truly great team. It happens. Add to that having to step out in front of a partisan, passionate home support in a packed out colossus of a stadium and you can see why they struggled, it must have been like stepping into a cauldron. We won't face that every week.
Is that Conte's post match interview from midweek?
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Just fuck off. It had to be fucking us not Wolves, not Cardiff , not Fulham to go shot face. Shambolic.
Has someone had a little drink? ;D
Andy I do hope you don’t think I am at the Cornish Arms Beer and Mussels Festival because if you do you are absolutely correct😀
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I so agree with you Mersey. My missus frequently bollocks me along the lines of "why did you have to bring up your four sons to support a shit team." What she doesn't get is that although it's hard to argue with that, it's in the blood and the emotion takes over from the logic. The last week sums up my 40 + years of supporting the Villa. Wonderful high moments followed by gut wrenching lows. But we still keep supporting them because they are our club.
UTV !!
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Well, as this is Aston Villa it looks like we’re going to do things the hard way.
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I think sometimes you just have to take your hat off to the opposition and accept that you've lost to a truly great team. It happens. Add to that having to step out in front of a partisan, passionate home support in a packed out colossus of a stadium and you can see why they struggled, it must have been like stepping into a cauldron. We won't face that every week.
Yes and last Tuesday??
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I think sometimes you just have to take your hat off to the opposition and accept that you've lost to a truly great team. It happens. Add to that having to step out in front of a partisan, passionate home support in a packed out colossus of a stadium and you can see why they struggled, it must have been like stepping into a cauldron. We won't face that every week.
Yes and last Tuesday??
Erm... I think he may have been trying to be ironic .....
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oh dear.
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I think sometimes you just have to take your hat off to the opposition and accept that you've lost to a truly great team. It happens. Add to that having to step out in front of a partisan, passionate home support in a packed out colossus of a stadium and you can see why they struggled, it must have been like stepping into a cauldron. We won't face that every week.
Is that Conte's post match interview from midweek?
Possibly, I mean the comparisons were there for all to see, Henry like Busquets, that Beavis bloke like Pique, Ameobe like Messi and Le Fuckwit like Suarez.
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How about we all watch the U23’s?
3 wins in 5 days is very impressive from the lads.
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the limitations of a Bruce side
... are an imitation of a Lambert side.
"Wor Stevie's" nonsensical incoherence pre and post match has been all too familiar of late and I cannot help but feel a grim foreboding.
How on earth could we not have scored as many as or more goals than Super Bolton From The Noooooorth West?
(I fricking hate that song)
And I fricking hate Steve fricking Bruce.
(edited because stupidity)
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After our last couple of performances what chance do we realistically have of staying in the premiership if we do go up ?
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Honestly it doesn't get much worse than that.
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I think sometimes you just have to take your hat off to the opposition and accept that you've lost to a truly great team. It happens. Add to that having to step out in front of a partisan, passionate home support in a packed out colossus of a stadium and you can see why they struggled, it must have been like stepping into a cauldron. We won't face that every week.
Yes and last Tuesday??
Erm... I think he may have been trying to be ironic .....
😂
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After our last couple of performances what chance do we realistically have of staying in the premiership if we do go up ?
Is there a crash course in tactics during the summer?
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After our last couple of performances what chance do we realistically have of staying in the premiership if we do go up ?
Never understand these statements. We could get a new gaffer and squad and most importantly would secure the finance to avoid the nightmare of FFP
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After our last couple of performances what chance do we realistically have of staying in the premiership if we do go up ?
Is there a crash course in tactics during the summer?
Why do you fancy the job?
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Good comment on sky
Too much reliance on individual players and not enough of a plan.
Saw that and completely agree we have no set game plan and if our individuals are marked out of game we fall apart .Bruce tactics where shambolic as well , Grabben barely touched the ball all game as once again a Bruce team can't uterlize a striker so we have 1 striker who has no service from a 5 man midfield and end the game with 4 strikers having no service from a 1 man midfield
Glad we have a break now as the team/Bruce needs to pull thier shit together or we will at worse case fall out of the play off or simply go into them in dismal form
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The wheels have well and truly come off the juggernaut this week
Unbelievable until you realise you are talking about the Villa
For us "old uns it's like a 're- run of watching the club over the last 50+ years - I feel for my son's'generation
Once again he looks me in the eye and says
" we really are shit aren't we?"
Hard to argue
Well, it's not really that hard to argue. Two piss poor results, but were you and your son sharing that sentiment this time last week?
I doubt it.
Yes, today was awful, and so was QPR, but let's get a grip here.
We are fourth, it's a fucking long season, bad results happen.
We have been considerably shitter than we currently are for almost the entirety of the last seven years.
Like 99% of most Villa fans we were surprised, nay shocked at the Wolves result - so subsequently losing to teams placed 15th and 18/19th just a few days later Is in my book
,shit.
Our shittiness has been varying in degrees over the last 7 years and I like many have seen leaner years but given the money spent I think it is reasonable to expect better results and performances - ok yes shit happens but how many of us would have taken wins/draws over Fulham,qpr and Bolton over a win over local opponents Wolves
Over reaction from me and junior? Maybe but let's be honest the last two performances and results have been dire - Or put another way, shit ergo we are currently shit whether 4th or not :)
We are Villa mad which what makes us so irrational when we lose to the likes of QPR 1-3 at home
Still we can no longer compete with the likes of Burnley,Huddersfield,Brighton et al including mighty Cardiff
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After our last couple of performances what chance do we realistically have of staying in the premiership if we do go up ?
Is there a crash course in tactics during the summer?
Why do you fancy the job?
Not half!
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From boom to bust. Bruce is our Norman Lamont and I’ve no idea where to take this analogy....
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After our last couple of performances what chance do we realistically have of staying in the premiership if we do go up ?
Probably zero. But at least if we do go up (no, me either) we'd get £millions more than where we are now and then have parachute payments when we come back down.
No it's not all about the money - except that sadly it is.
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From boom to bust. Bruce is our Norman Lamont and I’ve no idea where to take this analogy....
Fist face and er, yeah, no idea either.
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We’ve become small time. The Wolves game was our cup final. We’ve just shit the fucking bed since.
It's been like that for years hasn't it?
So many times under Lambert we'd get the odd good result which would get people excited thinking we were finally onto something and we've then eliminate that thought with a wretched run.
Same thing is happening again, why you just can't get excited supporting us these days.
I was buzzing after the Wolves game, couldn't wait for QPR etc and look what happens. Can't think of too many clubs out there who'd follow a great derby win and performance with two straight losses to bottom 8 teams.
Ah well.
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You get what you give and we gave nothing in both games and got nothing from both games. You can't even say we were unlucky tonight, we had a couple half attempts here and there but never really looked like scoring. It was a piss poor performance and having not won away at Hull for 8 years on current form I'll be thinking twice about predicting a "turnaround" win.
(On sky as well, make it stop!)
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If teams like Bournemouth, Watford and Burnley can establish themselves in the PL, then surely Villa can?? Play-offs should be the aim now..... could be a good day out at Wembley!
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From boom to bust. Bruce is our Norman Lamont and I’ve no idea where to take this analogy....
Fist face and er, yeah, no idea either.
Something about "green shoots of recovery" and "the pain being worth it" whilst the world around goes to ruin?
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From boom to bust. Bruce is our Norman Lamont and I’ve no idea where to take this analogy....
There must be a yoghurt pot one.
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(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/iAU7pATH5_M/hqdefault.jpg)
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It's not going to get any easier. Going to Hull, Ipswich, Norwich, Millwall are all tough. Home to Derby and kicker Cardiff also tough. We need to guarantee a play off spot. I have so little faith in Bruce, just as we seem to be doing well, we think we've cracked it and fall apart.
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If teams like Bournemouth, Watford and Burnley can establish themselves in the PL, then surely Villa can?? Play-offs should be the aim now..... could be a good day out at Wembley!
That's made me feel very, very sad.
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If teams like Bournemouth, Watford and Burnley can establish themselves in the PL, then surely Villa can?? Play-offs should be the aim now..... could be a good day out at Wembley!
That's made me feel very, very sad.
#sadnessinyoureyes
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I can't remember ever seeing us win in the snow.
Congratulations to Wolves and Cardiff.
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Poor defending for the goal.
Played all the football there was on a snow-pitch against a team of hoofers.
Had enough chances to win the game but then Bruce brings on Davis (did he touch the ball?) and empties out the midfield.
Mindless!
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Bruce being interviewed has just popped up on my Twitter feed. I found myself hitting the pause button while uttering "fuck off."
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Poor defending for the goal.
Played all the football there was on a snow-pitch against a team of hoofers.
Had enough chances to win the game but then Bruce brings on Davis (did he touch the ball?) and empties out the midfield.
Mindless!
Pretty much.
On a positive note I'm nearly home. Fuckety fuck fuck fuck.
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It's not going to get any easier. Going to Hull, Ipswich, Norwich, Millwall are all tough. Home to Derby and kicker Cardiff also tough. We need to guarantee a play off spot. I have so little faith in Bruce, just as we seem to be doing well, we think we've cracked it and fall apart.
all of a sudden a guaranteed play off spot doesn't looked nailed on does it ? - whilst Wolves was commendable let's reflect on the performances against Fulham,Preston QPR and Bolton - doesn't inspire confidence does it ?
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It’s all a bit MON March, we looked fucked again, the decision to just chuck on forwards without any idea of how to get the ball to them is just nuts.
I think we will make play offs, no idea in what position.
Is March our cruelest month? Seem to remember some notables.
Anybody done the stats?
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If we don't make the play offs then I'm going to feel worse than I did last season
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It's the hope that kills you.
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For once the international break has probably come at the right time. Get injured players fit and regroup. Kodjia could still play a part this season. A disaster if we blow the play-offs...
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It's not going to get any easier. Going to Hull, Ipswich, Norwich, Millwall are all tough. Home to Derby and kicker Cardiff also tough. We need to guarantee a play off spot. I have so little faith in Bruce, just as we seem to be doing well, we think we've cracked it and fall apart.
all of a sudden a guaranteed play off spot doesn't looked nailed on does it ? - whilst Wolves was commendable let's reflect on the performances against Fulham,Preston QPR and Bolton - doesn't inspire confidence does it ?
We where pretty poor against Wednesday as well but Snodgrass practically dragged us through that by himself .Wolves is the only game we have played well in recently
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Anyone still like it in this division?
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I'm not sure how accurate this is but it feels as if we go into the International breaks quite regularly on the back of a shite run or a shite result and then have two weeks to dwell on it.
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I am usually one of the most pessimistic of Villa fans, but come on, can you really see us dropping out of the play off spots? Tonight was shit, bit there was no lack of effort. We'll bounce back.
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Three wins should do it I think.
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Has he really just said we needed to get our wide players in and we couldn’t? Well not if they’re not on the pitch.
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Not long home. So disappointing. Was it really only a week ago that we were talking about going up as Champions?
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LDWWWLL is our last seven games. Not the form of a play off winner. The break might help I guess. Who knows with Villa?
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Hoping for the best but fearing the worst, where are we likely to be if we are still in this poxy league next year? Our better players are only loanees, and those which are signed to us are likely to attract unwelcome bids from premier league bid hitters like Bournemouth, Brighton, Burnley and similar. A worrying few weeks awaits us.
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I just hope a Bolton fan writes a letter to the press praising our support.
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Anyone still like it in this division?
Nope I’ve hated every minute being this shit league a club like ours should only be in the top flight and the sooner we’re back where we belong the better.
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The wheels have well and truly come off the juggernaut this week
Unbelievable until you realise you are talking about the Villa
For us "old uns it's like a 're- run of watching the club over the last 50+ years - I feel for my son's'generation
Once again he looks me in the eye and says
" we really are shit aren't we?"
Hard to argue
Well, it's not really that hard to argue. Two piss poor results, but were you and your son sharing that sentiment this time last week?
I doubt it.
Yes, today was awful, and so was QPR, but let's get a grip here.
We are fourth, it's a fucking long season, bad results happen.
We have been considerably shitter than we currently are for almost the entirety of the last seven years.
Like 99% of most Villa fans we were surprised, nay shocked at the Wolves result - so subsequently losing to teams placed 15th and 18/19th just a few days later Is in my book
,shit.
Our shittiness has been varying in degrees over the last 7 years and I like many have seen leaner years but given the money spent I think it is reasonable to expect better results and performances - ok yes shit happens but how many of us would have taken wins/draws over Fulham,qpr and Bolton over a win over local opponents Wolves
Over reaction from me and junior? Maybe but let's be honest the last two performances and results have been dire - Or put another way, shit ergo we are currently shit whether 4th or not :)
We are Villa mad which what makes us so irrational when we lose to the likes of QPR 1-3 at home
Still we can no longer compete with the likes of Burnley,Huddersfield,Brighton et al including mighty Cardiff
The last two performances - what about the previous dozen or so?
It's seven days since we were all on a high because we'd battered Wolves. You might have been shocked, but I don't know why - look at our record in the matches running up to that game.
I don't like losing to QPR and Bolton either, but really, so many people are indulging in ridiculously over the top #sadnessintheireyes style wailing, it's ridiculous.
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Post-match interview https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/975103290533990400
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Well the Gods conspired today. We weren’t that bad but the weather, the shit ref. the thugs and downright bad luck did us. I almost feel sorry for Bruce
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Lowlights (http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/11294874/bolton-1-0-aston-villa)
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Week started so good, turned horrible, and it doesn't seem much to get hopeful about. Equal on points with Fulham is the only thing, and thats not much. Maybe teams will be lulled into false sense of security when playing us so we can pull of a shock result. Sorry, thats the only positive I can find.
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Taking off Albert and Snodgrass. Go away Bruce. Criminal.
Auto promotion is gone.
Make JT manager.
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Well the Gods conspired today. We weren’t that bad but the weather, the shit ref. the thugs and downright bad luck did us. I almost feel sorry for Bruce
Rubbish. His subs did us.
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The wheels have well and truly come off the juggernaut this week
Unbelievable until you realise you are talking about the Villa
For us "old uns it's like a 're- run of watching the club over the last 50+ years - I feel for my son's'generation
Once again he looks me in the eye and says
" we really are shit aren't we?"
Hard to argue
Well, it's not really that hard to argue. Two piss poor results, but were you and your son sharing that sentiment this time last week?
I doubt it.
Yes, today was awful, and so was QPR, but let's get a grip here.
We are fourth, it's a fucking long season, bad results happen.
We have been considerably shitter than we currently are for almost the entirety of the last seven years.
Like 99% of most Villa fans we were surprised, nay shocked at the Wolves result - so subsequently losing to teams placed 15th and 18/19th just a few days later Is in my book
,shit.
Our shittiness has been varying in degrees over the last 7 years and I like many have seen leaner years but given the money spent I think it is reasonable to expect better results and performances - ok yes shit happens but how many of us would have taken wins/draws over Fulham,qpr and Bolton over a win over local opponents Wolves
Over reaction from me and junior? Maybe but let's be honest the last two performances and results have been dire - Or put another way, shit ergo we are currently shit whether 4th or not :)
We are Villa mad which what makes us so irrational when we lose to the likes of QPR 1-3 at home
Still we can no longer compete with the likes of Burnley,Huddersfield,Brighton et al including mighty Cardiff
The last two performances - what about the previous dozen or so?
It's seven days since we were all on a high because we'd battered Wolves. You might have been shocked, but I don't know why - look at our record in the matches running up to that game.
I don't like losing to QPR and Bolton either, but really, so many people are indulging in ridiculously over the top #sadnessintheireyes style wailing, it's ridiculous.
Agree totally with this.
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They had a game plan. Rough us up, take advantage of the weather and it worked. The team was out-fought and Bruce was out-thought. Again.
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Not sure just one week later I fancy our chances at all in the playoffs against anyone.
What a difference in 7 days!
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Anyone still like it in this division?
As a fan I naturally don't like shit performances from my team and obviously prefer high quality matches.
However,the state of the Premier League is diabolical. The top 6 are fairly predictable and yet serial Cup winners in Arsenal in 6th are roundly criticised by their 'fans'.Similarly with Everton in 9th..Below them it's almost just a desire to stay in the League and grab the money.10 teams still in the relegation mire.In the Championship 10 teams aiming for the play offs.There is far less fear in this division.
Who predicted Huddersfield for promotion and likewise with Cardiff ? Sunderland and Hull have struggled after relegation.
Villa should not be in this league but perhaps it's cynical old age but I can't get excited about the Premier League.
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Bruce had this wobble with Hull a couple of years ago and they still won the play offs.
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Good comment on sky
Too much reliance on individual players and not enough of a plan.
Was that from last season or this one?
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Bruce has said if he had known the conditions he might have picked another starting line up ..what like starting with 4 strikers?
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Look at Hulls results leading into the play offs. Very up and down.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.sportsmole.co.uk/football/hull-city/2015-16/fixtures-and-results.html
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Bruce has said if he had known the conditions he might have picked another starting line up ..what like starting with 4 strikers?
Known the conditions? It's been like this all day in the Midlands (on and off snow showers) so imagine much the same in the North west. Couldn't he had gone out when we arrived at the ground and had a look at the pitch?
This to me is a weakness of SB, he isn't a huge attention to detail manager. If our individuals players aren't firing, we don't have other ways of winning the game.
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Look at Hulls results leading into the play offs. Very up and down.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.sportsmole.co.uk/football/hull-city/2015-16/fixtures-and-results.html
We have a chance in the playoffs, we have good players. It's just a failure that we have to be contemplating it.
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Very disappointing result. Performance was nt up to it although unlucky not to have scored with some chances. Really not much in match at all. In truth though a below par performance.
Frustratingly the substitutes weren't effective and players playing all over the place. Today Bruce idea of attacking football seems to be playing 4 strikers on the pitch.
Again it was too slow a tempo and somewhat tepid efforts in attacking. Conditions or not the killer instinct in attacking sense seemed lost.
The other thing is that too much play around and ponderous stuff, a real struggle to break down teams or a real age too. Despite conditions villa did little for any free flowing attacks and wasn't a game, or opposition, of quality to see teams attacking and leaving spaces.
What I would have liked to see energy, pace and pressing and good movements.
Elmo seemed guilty of not getting up the pitch to the by line (rarely does) and I thought Albert wasn't at best.
Its been noted that Bruce has to be ruthless and keep shape and make appropriate subs not what he has done in last 2 matches by making changes which allow qpr and Bolton to control the match .
Bruce certainly not as proves nothing positive occurred with changes to day. The irony of course was it all too predictable despite the subs and players formation positions becoming unpredictable.
Grabban, Terry, Snodgrass, Grealish lesser Chester, Bree were okay in efforts however would have like to see more of influence in match.
Can't say their wasn't effort but it was lacking in quality of movement and moving without the ball. The tempo and energy around the pitch would have seen match won. But wasn't our day.
Utv
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After a fairly high octane performance last Saturday today, and it seems Tuesday, we were very low tempo and low intensity again. We looked laboured and tired. It's Bruce's job to get them up for these games but in terms of current form we're well off the pace, lost 3 out of the last 6. Just when we need to build some momentum. Is it right Bruce has never got a team promoted automatically? If so at least we have a play-off specialist. Assuming we don't fuck even that up. It's always been on the cards because we've never really had an effective consistent style or blueprint for winning games consistently, we muddle through for a few games and then don't for a few games. Best we can hope for is a nice day out at Wembley. So unneccessary.
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The snow only kicked off about 5. Fecking bailed it down walking into that tin pot slag heap.
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It's not going to get any easier. Going to Hull, Ipswich, Norwich, Millwall are all tough. Home to Derby and kicker Cardiff also tough. We need to guarantee a play off spot. I have so little faith in Bruce, just as we seem to be doing well, we think we've cracked it and fall apart.
all of a sudden a guaranteed play off spot doesn't looked nailed on does it ? - whilst Wolves was commendable let's reflect on the performances against Fulham,Preston QPR and Bolton - doesn't inspire confidence does it ?
Reflect on Wolves, Bristol City, Sheffield Wednesday..
It's easy being miserable and seeing the worst. But look at our form over the past dozen games, 27 points is it?
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International break has come at a perfect time really. Except that the likes of Chester have to go to China ludicrously.
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It's been snowing around the country since at least midday, you'd think someone on the coaching staff would be bright enough to check the forecast for during the game. Especially if knowing it was going to snow would have meant a different line-up. Which I don't overly believe.
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It's not going to get any easier. Going to Hull, Ipswich, Norwich, Millwall are all tough. Home to Derby and kicker Cardiff also tough. We need to guarantee a play off spot. I have so little faith in Bruce, just as we seem to be doing well, we think we've cracked it and fall apart.
all of a sudden a guaranteed play off spot doesn't looked nailed on does it ? - whilst Wolves was commendable let's reflect on the performances against Fulham,Preston QPR and Bolton - doesn't inspire confidence does it ?
Reflect on Wolves, Bristol City, Sheffield Wednesday..
It's easy being miserable and seeing the worst. But look at our form over the past dozen games, 27 points is it?
25. W8 D1 L3.
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Until he went full Lambert I didn't think we were that bad today. For long stretches we were the better team and we probably deserved a point, not that that would have been good enough in the context of the promotion race.
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kippvxilla2 must be a players ambition to play for your country so with the likes of taylor and chester will be a great experience for them to play in the china cup . might do em good to get away from the club scene
by the way surprised at the result today thought you would beat bolton but that's the championship for you . snowing in derby tonight so i guess our game will be in doubt tomorrow . if we do play i,m sure it will suit our style of route 1 football anyway
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Taylor has pulled out of Wales squad injured.
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Just got back after ploughing through the snow back to North Yorkshire.
It was absolute garbage. Not sure what else to say.
Except that the subbing was unreal ... chucking 4 strikers up top and exp3cting to suddenly turn it all around seems bizarre.
Except that we really lack creativity through the middle of the park.
Except that Bolton really were gash and rode their luck.
Terrible.
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It's not going to get any easier. Going to Hull, Ipswich, Norwich, Millwall are all tough. Home to Derby and kicker Cardiff also tough. We need to guarantee a play off spot. I have so little faith in Bruce, just as we seem to be doing well, we think we've cracked it and fall apart.
all of a sudden a guaranteed play off spot doesn't looked nailed on does it ? - whilst Wolves was commendable let's reflect on the performances against Fulham,Preston QPR and Bolton - doesn't inspire confidence does it ?
Reflect on Wolves, Bristol City, Sheffield Wednesday..
It's easy being miserable and seeing the worst. But look at our form over the past dozen games, 27 points is it?
25. W8 D1 L3.
I'm not really sure what your points are Drummond and PWS? Going into the last few games and hopefully the play offs, our results recently, don't inspire confidence. We focus on the games we've won rather than we've lost? Yeah ok, but the point is still the same about being nervous and not totally confident.
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thanks for the update soccer hq . i wonder if bale will pull out for us . giggs usually did . haha
taylor has been a rock for us the last few years .
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I’m not wailing with despair but I am royally fucked off after the summit (I thought) we reached of beating the dingles soundly and going up automatically with the squad we have showing their ability only to fuck it up twice in a matter of days.
I’ve seen some crap this season and wondered how Bruce ever became a manager. I’ve then seen some victories and thought he’s not so bad after all.
I’m pondering now that practicality is in Bruce’s mind that autos has gone so mix the fringe players plus kids to fulfill our last 8 games while the seniors take a breather.
We had 70 mins to score today and Bruce brings on 2 kids, at this stage of the game, at this stage of the season. Total plank.
He gambled that the same team v hoops could carry on the same intensity but could have changed it half time. Total plank.
2 weeks to stew now and counting the minutes before some twat says hull is a must win. Which we won’t.
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My point was that it was 25 points, not 27.
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The wheels have well and truly come off the juggernaut this week
Unbelievable until you realise you are talking about the Villa
For us "old uns it's like a 're- run of watching the club over the last 50+ years - I feel for my son's'generation
Once again he looks me in the eye and says
" we really are shit aren't we?"
Hard to argue
Well, it's not really that hard to argue. Two piss poor results, but were you and your son sharing that sentiment this time last week?
I doubt it.
Yes, today was awful, and so was QPR, but let's get a grip here.
We are fourth, it's a fucking long season, bad results happen.
We have been considerably shitter than we currently are for almost the entirety of the last seven years.
Like 99% of most Villa fans we were surprised, nay shocked at the Wolves result - so subsequently losing to teams placed 15th and 18/19th just a few days later Is in my book
,shit.
Our shittiness has been varying in degrees over the last 7 years and I like many have seen leaner years but given the money spent I think it is reasonable to expect better results and performances - ok yes shit happens but how many of us would have taken wins/draws over Fulham,qpr and Bolton over a win over local opponents Wolves
Over reaction from me and junior? Maybe but let's be honest the last two performances and results have been dire - Or put another way, shit ergo we are currently shit whether 4th or not :)
We are Villa mad which what makes us so irrational when we lose to the likes of QPR 1-3 at home
Still we can no longer compete with the likes of Burnley,Huddersfield,Brighton et al including mighty Cardiff
The last two performances - what about the previous dozen or so?
It's seven days since we were all on a high because we'd battered Wolves. You might have been shocked, but I don't know why - look at our record in the matches running up to that game.
I don't like losing to QPR and Bolton either, but really, so many people are indulging in ridiculously over the top #sadnessintheireyes style wailing, it's ridiculous.
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Wake up and smell the coffee - maybe, just maybe those with "sadness in their eyes" are being realistic in their take on things rather than those burying their heads in the sand and ignoring the poor performances this squad are serving up ..... fine we got some results but we have been on the receiving end ( injuries aside in some cases) of lady luck. Swings and roundabouts I guess and yes we have somehow got more points on the board than this time last year but we have not been consistently outstanding or commanding - as ever we seem to plunge into a "bad patch" at a crucial time - it's all about opinions and we all want the same outcome - I fear that we may be letting a playoff position slip - just a week ago some on here were making ridiculous statements about Wolves bottling it after one heavy defeat - I bet there are a few in the Black Country pissing themselves after some of our fans deluded musings after the game - the ship needs steadying and confidence restoring in the coming fortnight - this isn't a snipe at Bruce but I wonder how much the loss of his father has taken out of him - such things are far more important than football and perhaps some time over the next week to be able to mourn his loss will be beneficial - he has been professional thus far but he is only human and the stress of being in the play offs - if we get there- will be an additional burden on him -I wouldn't be surprised to see him relinquish his role whether we go up or not - especially if his mother is still ill
I agree with what AndyM is saying on the Bruce Out? Thread
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We'll still go up by hook or by crook....
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The wheels have well and truly come off the juggernaut this week
Unbelievable until you realise you are talking about the Villa
For us "old uns it's like a 're- run of watching the club over the last 50+ years - I feel for my son's'generation
Once again he looks me in the eye and says
" we really are shit aren't we?"
Hard to argue
Well, it's not really that hard to argue. Two piss poor results, but were you and your son sharing that sentiment this time last week?
I doubt it.
Yes, today was awful, and so was QPR, but let's get a grip here.
We are fourth, it's a fucking long season, bad results happen.
We have been considerably shitter than we currently are for almost the entirety of the last seven years.
Like 99% of most Villa fans we were surprised, nay shocked at the Wolves result - so subsequently losing to teams placed 15th and 18/19th just a few days later Is in my book
,shit.
Our shittiness has been varying in degrees over the last 7 years and I like many have seen leaner years but given the money spent I think it is reasonable to expect better results and performances - ok yes shit happens but how many of us would have taken wins/draws over Fulham,qpr and Bolton over a win over local opponents Wolves
Over reaction from me and junior? Maybe but let's be honest the last two performances and results have been dire - Or put another way, shit ergo we are currently shit whether 4th or not :)
We are Villa mad which what makes us so irrational when we lose to the likes of QPR 1-3 at home
Still we can no longer compete with the likes of Burnley,Huddersfield,Brighton et al including mighty Cardiff
The last two performances - what about the previous dozen or so?
It's seven days since we were all on a high because we'd battered Wolves. You might have been shocked, but I don't know why - look at our record in the matches running up to that game.
I don't like losing to QPR and Bolton either, but really, so many people are indulging in ridiculously over the top #sadnessintheireyes style wailing, it's ridiculous.
I totally agree Paulie. It has happened after a number of defeats this season. People who want the manager and players to show some bottle don't show one bit of bottle themselves when we lose. People can't lecture the team on manning up when they themselves constantly act like a bunch of big girls blouses (a wonderful old fashioned term that is very underused these days ;)) every time we lose a match. To quote Delia, 'Come on, let's be 'avin ya'!
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I feel that our senior pro's have too much respect. Take Snograss - always on the right wing. no pace always checks back. yes, he has come inside scored and provided the odd cross.
One thing that bugs me even more today - why do we never switch the wingers even for 10 mins just to confuse the opposition.
Uncle Albert and Snograss are playing on the wrong wings.
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The wheels have well and truly come off the juggernaut this week
Unbelievable until you realise you are talking about the Villa
For us "old uns it's like a 're- run of watching the club over the last 50+ years - I feel for my son's'generation
Once again he looks me in the eye and says
" we really are shit aren't we?"
Hard to argue
Well, it's not really that hard to argue. Two piss poor results, but were you and your son sharing that sentiment this time last week?
I doubt it.
Yes, today was awful, and so was QPR, but let's get a grip here.
We are fourth, it's a fucking long season, bad results happen.
We have been considerably shitter than we currently are for almost the entirety of the last seven years.
Like 99% of most Villa fans we were surprised, nay shocked at the Wolves result - so subsequently losing to teams placed 15th and 18/19th just a few days later Is in my book
,shit.
Our shittiness has been varying in degrees over the last 7 years and I like many have seen leaner years but given the money spent I think it is reasonable to expect better results and performances - ok yes shit happens but how many of us would have taken wins/draws over Fulham,qpr and Bolton over a win over local opponents Wolves
Over reaction from me and junior? Maybe but let's be honest the last two performances and results have been dire - Or put another way, shit ergo we are currently shit whether 4th or not :)
We are Villa mad which what makes us so irrational when we lose to the likes of QPR 1-3 at home
Still we can no longer compete with the likes of Burnley,Huddersfield,Brighton et al including mighty Cardiff
The last two performances - what about the previous dozen or so?
It's seven days since we were all on a high because we'd battered Wolves. You might have been shocked, but I don't know why - look at our record in the matches running up to that game.
I don't like losing to QPR and Bolton either, but really, so many people are indulging in ridiculously over the top #sadnessintheireyes style wailing, it's ridiculous.
I totally agree Paulie. It has happened after a number of defeats this season. People who want the manager and players to show some bottle don't show one bit of bottle themselves when we lose. People can't lecture the team on manning up when they themselves constantly act like a bunch of big girls blouses (a wonderful old fashioned term that is very underused these days ;)) every time we lose a match. To quote Delia, 'Come on, let's be 'avin ya'!
I’m with you guys. Hysterical ramblings after victories and defeats. It is what it is.
For the record I think we’ll make it when it gets down to one off games.
But the world won’t end if we don’t make it.
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Terrible result on the back of Tuesday but I think the conditions affected us more than them.
Automatic is gone and financial Armageddon awaits if we stay here, are the players up to the pressure? There are certainly question marks.
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Well the Gods conspired today. We weren’t that bad but the weather, the shit ref. the thugs and downright bad luck did us. I almost feel sorry for Bruce
Rubbish. His subs did us.
Well if those they replaced had done their jobs today - then he wouldn't have resorted to 4 strikers & hoofball tactics.
I've been as critical as most regarding Bruce & his management, but it's high time the players took responsibility for the crap performances of late. Yes the buck stops with the boss, but too many of our team have switched off when they need to be performing to their potential. Bruce obviously has to be measured and stoic in front of the cameras, but I bet he's fuckin' seething tonight. And who could possibly blame him?
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To be fair I think people get emotional because we're all so desperate for some success and to get back where we belong. It's in the DNA of the football supporter to overreact to every defeat, and every victory.
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Not much sign of " bottle " from players in the last 5 days but maybe they are tired -bless em
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20 wins out of 38, that's some fucking luck we're having.
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They had a game plan. Rough us up, take advantage of the weather and it worked. The team was out-fought and Bruce was out-thought. Again.
This is correct, sickbeggar.
You could not fault the effort or application of the players.
One small side of the pitch was effectively shielded from the elements and Bolton used it to maximum advantage. Bruce does not give a fuck about analysis of the opposition, or conditions or anything really. He just keeps on keeping on. Doing what he does.
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We always do shit against Parkys sides.
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Lost 2, won 2?
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The weather rendered the game a bit of a farce as the goal wouldn't have been scored in normal conditions but the team didn't try to change the style to take account of the conditions.
Given that QPR wouldn't have won that game if if it would have been played when it should have been, the weather hasn't helped us.
Hopefully, by the time the play offs happen, the sun will be out.
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20 wins out of 38, that's some fucking luck we're having.
Yeh- almost as outlandish as blaming poor referring and weather conditions when we lose :)
I trust you got home safely from those "Dirty Northern Cxxxs"
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You're talking shite. You're saying we're lucky. You might as well say it's God's will or Father fucking Christmas sprinkles fairy dust over us.
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Lost 2, won 2?
Exactly. Shirks off into snowy night.
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You're talking shite. You're saying we're lucky. You might as well say it's God's will or Father fucking Christmas sprinkles fairy dust over us.
no need to resort to that is there? Disagree by all means but don't try and make it so personal please
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Anyone still like it in this division?
As a fan I naturally don't like shit performances from my team and obviously prefer high quality matches.
However,the state of the Premier League is diabolical. The top 6 are fairly predictable and yet serial Cup winners in Arsenal in 6th are roundly criticised by their 'fans'.Similarly with Everton in 9th..Below them it's almost just a desire to stay in the League and grab the money.10 teams still in the relegation mire.In the Championship 10 teams aiming for the play offs.There is far less fear in this division.
Who predicted Huddersfield for promotion and likewise with Cardiff ? Sunderland and Hull have struggled after relegation.
Villa should not be in this league but perhaps it's cynical old age but I can't get excited about the Premier League.
I agree. Despite our ups n downs in this league over the last two seasons, it’s definitely been more fun than languishing at the drop in the PL. We ain’t auto going up, so looks like the play offs. Which will be exciting. So if we win the play offs we go up and get new manager, if we don’t, we get new a manager and piss it next season.
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20 wins out of 38 isn't good enough though to keep pace with Warnock and a shite Cardiff team. Anything less than automatic promotion is a failure.
I'd be tempted to get rid of him even if we go up because the football under him in the Premier League would be McLeishesque and we'd be going to Watford and playing for a 0-0.
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You're talking shite. You're saying we're lucky. You might as well say it's God's will or Father fucking Christmas sprinkles fairy dust over us.
no need to resort to that is there? Disagree by all means but don't try and make it so personal please
You called it on.
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We were unlucky to lose, but didn't deserve to win. Was pleased with the RHM sub, but to then take off two wide men for two forwards seemed from the book of Paul Lambert subs. Play offs it is now, which isn't good enough, unless we go up. UTV
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His use of subs tonight didn’t seem particularly well thought out.
Let’s hope that’s our blip done and we’ll go on another winning run until the end of the regular season.
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You're talking shite. You're saying we're lucky. You might as well say it's God's will or Father fucking Christmas sprinkles fairy dust over us.
no need to resort to that is there? Disagree by all means but don't try and make it so personal please
You called it on.
Fair play, so.
You've raised his hackles.
Can't just pull out when it suits you.
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quinton a shyte cardiff side ? check out our result back in august against you .we even beat wolves at there gaff too . the tables don't lie this time of year .
agree we ain't a pretty side to watch but effective shall we say
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Dinas ignore him. To be fair thought you are over performing with that squad. And as I’ve said before as a result of that Mr Warnock deserves a knighthood if he gets you up this season.
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quinton a shyte cardiff side ? check out our result back in august against you .we even beat wolves at there gaff too . the tables don't lie this time of year .
agree we ain't a pretty side to watch but effective shall we say
Quinton is west, but shurely not there far west?
If Welsh Wales have claimed it then I suppose Quinton is a goner.
I blame Neil Kinnock, the class traitor, Blairite, war mongering, Europhile pig snout in trough merchant.
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quinton a shyte cardiff side ? check out our result back in august against you .we even beat wolves at there gaff too . the tables don't lie this time of year .
agree we ain't a pretty side to watch but effective shall we say
And nothing wrong with that considering resources.
Warnock has done a great job.
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I feel that our senior pro's have too much respect. Take Snograss - always on the right wing. no pace always checks back. yes, he has come inside scored and provided the odd cross.
One thing that bugs me even more today - why do we never switch the wingers even for 10 mins just to confuse the opposition.
Uncle Albert and Snograss are playing on the wrong wings.
Well Snodgrass doesn't like playing on the left thats why they are where they are and I agree when things arn't working we should switch them , they they can get to byline and cross on their natural foot.
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You're talking shite. You're saying we're lucky. You might as well say it's God's will or Father fucking Christmas sprinkles fairy dust over us.
Ah! Your judgement about about our manager didn't come in a dream, just poor judgement.
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I would love to hear SB explain why he took Albert and Sodds off.
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Anyone still like it in this division?
As a fan I naturally don't like shit performances from my team and obviously prefer high quality matches.
However,the state of the Premier League is diabolical. The top 6 are fairly predictable and yet serial Cup winners in Arsenal in 6th are roundly criticised by their 'fans'.Similarly with Everton in 9th..Below them it's almost just a desire to stay in the League and grab the money.10 teams still in the relegation mire.In the Championship 10 teams aiming for the play offs.There is far less fear in this division.
Who predicted Huddersfield for promotion and likewise with Cardiff ? Sunderland and Hull have struggled after relegation.
Villa should not be in this league but perhaps it's cynical old age but I can't get excited about the Premier League.
I agree. Despite our ups n downs in this league over the last two seasons, it’s definitely been more fun than languishing at the drop in the PL. We ain’t auto going up, so looks like the play offs. Which will be exciting. So if we win the play offs we go up and get new manager, if we don’t, we get new a manager and piss it next season.
I don’t miss the Premier League one bit.
Stuck near the bottom of the insurmountable climb watching second rate at best overseas players fill up the promised land of leagues while young talented prospects get suffocated out of first team opportunities.
Nah not for me.
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You're talking shite. You're saying we're lucky. You might as well say it's God's will or Father fucking Christmas sprinkles fairy dust over us.
Ah! Your judgement about about our manager didn't come in a dream, just poor judgement.
What ever anybody thinks about Bruce, luck has fuck all to do with it. Or anything in the history of human existence.
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I would love to hear SB explain why he took Albert and Sodds off.
Replaced 3 midfielders with 3 strikers and left our most attacking midfield on.
Genius.
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Jaded I think. We had moments but the 1st goal was always going to win today. Massively pissed off - 2 shit games and I'm going to have too find c£300 For play off semi and final. It will be worth it if we go up. Kodja will defo be back for May. Do the loan players stay though?
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kippa i,m in dreamland right now . never thought we would be in the top 2 right now at this stage . for me thought we might scrap top 10 nothing more . warnock will get the freedom of the city of cardiff if we make it to the prem .
even the plastic man utd man city , liverpool fans are swapping there tops to cardiff tops right now in south wales . the demand for villa away tickets is incredible right now all over south wales. it's not all rugby down here you know !
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kippa i,m in dreamland right now . never thought we would be in the top 2 right now at this stage . for me thought we might scrap top 10 nothing more . warnock will get the freedom of the city of cardiff if we make it to the prem .
even the plastic man utd man city , liverpool fans are swapping there tops to cardiff tops right now in south wales . the demand for villa away tickets is incredible right now all over south wales. it's not all rugby down here you know !
Where you could seal automatic promotion if results go to form. Fuk sake
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You're talking shite. You're saying we're lucky. You might as well say it's God's will or Father fucking Christmas sprinkles fairy dust over us.
Ah! Your judgement about about our manager didn't come in a dream, just poor judgement.
What ever anybody thinks about Bruce, luck has fuck all to do with it. Or anything in the history of human existence.
Luck is a loose word. If Neil Taylor shinned it in the 95th minute - I'd call it lucky. By the way, don't feel bad about changing your mind, even if it happens a few times. It's your peroggative.
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Anyone still like it in this division?
As a fan I naturally don't like shit performances from my team and obviously prefer high quality matches.
However,the state of the Premier League is diabolical. The top 6 are fairly predictable and yet serial Cup winners in Arsenal in 6th are roundly criticised by their 'fans'.Similarly with Everton in 9th..Below them it's almost just a desire to stay in the League and grab the money.10 teams still in the relegation mire.In the Championship 10 teams aiming for the play offs.There is far less fear in this division.
Who predicted Huddersfield for promotion and likewise with Cardiff ? Sunderland and Hull have struggled after relegation.
Villa should not be in this league but perhaps it's cynical old age but I can't get excited about the Premier League.
I agree. Despite our ups n downs in this league over the last two seasons, it’s definitely been more fun than languishing at the drop in the PL. We ain’t auto going up, so looks like the play offs. Which will be exciting. So if we win the play offs we go up and get new manager, if we don’t, we get new a manager and piss it next season.
I don’t miss the Premier League one bit.
Stuck near the bottom of the insurmountable climb watching second rate at best overseas players fill up the promised land of leagues while young talented prospects get suffocated out of first team opportunities.
Nah not for me.
What an idiot.
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I change my mind all the while. I'm not the Church.
Luck is used a figure of speech, if somebody is using it as a genuine means of analysis then they're talking shite.
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Feck me is it a full moon? How about everyone packs in the baiting, insults etc?
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kippa i,m in dreamland right now . never thought we would be in the top 2 right now at this stage . for me thought we might scrap top 10 nothing more . warnock will get the freedom of the city of cardiff if we make it to the prem .
even the plastic man utd man city , liverpool fans are swapping there tops to cardiff tops right now in south wales . the demand for villa away tickets is incredible right now all over south wales. it's not all rugby down here you know !
Good to hear that. Nothing worse than plastics or Brummie Reds (brummie manu fans , lowest of the low).
Pity it won’t be close for the match otherwise it would have been a classic midweek lock out under the floodlights.
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Dinas ignore him. To be fair thought you are over performing with that squad. And as I’ve said before as a result of that Mr Warnock deserves a knighthood if he gets you up this season.
Only if Liz actually says 'Arise, Sir Colin Wanker.'
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I change my mind all the while. I'm not the Church.
Luck is used a figure of speech, if somebody is using it as a genuine means of analysis then they're talking shite.
Perhaps look it as a figure of speech.
The playoffs are decided by one or two moments in a game.
Who mentioned the church? Change your mind a lot - take your time in future 😂
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Utter, utter shit. To think one week ago at this exact time we had just battered Wolves.
We deserved nothing from the game.
Have you been hacked? I agree with you for once!
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If there's an extenuating circumstance today it is that conditions were abysmal.
Yes abysmal for both teams but it was always going to impact is more and drag our players down to the level of theirs.
We need to keep our shit together and focus on taking as many points as we can till the end of the season.
I am not a massive Bruce fan either but some of the stuff posted about him just seven days after taking wolves to pieces is embarrassing.
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I've heard the Bruce likes U2.
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I've heard the Bruce likes U2.
That's unlucky
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Anyone still like it in this division?
As a fan I naturally don't like shit performances from my team and obviously prefer high quality matches.
However,the state of the Premier League is diabolical. The top 6 are fairly predictable and yet serial Cup winners in Arsenal in 6th are roundly criticised by their 'fans'.Similarly with Everton in 9th..Below them it's almost just a desire to stay in the League and grab the money.10 teams still in the relegation mire.In the Championship 10 teams aiming for the play offs.There is far less fear in this division.
Who predicted Huddersfield for promotion and likewise with Cardiff ? Sunderland and Hull have struggled after relegation.
Villa should not be in this league but perhaps it's cynical old age but I can't get excited about the Premier League.
I agree. Despite our ups n downs in this league over the last two seasons, it’s definitely been more fun than languishing at the drop in the PL. We ain’t auto going up, so looks like the play offs. Which will be exciting. So if we win the play offs we go up and get new manager, if we don’t, we get new a manager and piss it next season.
I don’t miss the Premier League one bit.
Stuck near the bottom of the insurmountable climb watching second rate at best overseas players fill up the promised land of leagues while young talented prospects get suffocated out of first team opportunities.
Nah not for me.
What an idiot.
The fact that up until a few weeks ago half of the league was in the relegation scrap says it all.
How many playmaking midfielders were up for the England squad then? Not many to pick from is there?
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I am not a massive Bruce fan either but some of the stuff posted about him just seven days after taking wolves to pieces is embarrassing.
True. If only our season was one game.
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Terrible performance again.
We need to recharge the batteries during the layoff and make sure this blip doesn't turn in to another one of those terrible runs we go on that last 8 games. Panicking about not making the play offs is a bit extreme, we've had a bad week, at the end of a fantastic 10+ weeks. We can definitely still do this. Automatic is almost gone, but If we all still give 110% we can be more than a match for anyone in this division.
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Agree hyperbole about Bruce. Even if we don’t go up I’ve changed my mind I’d want him to stay.
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We were awful and it was bastard freezing. Apart from that, it was great.
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Terrible performance again.
We need to recharge the batteries during the layoff and make sure this blip doesn't turn in to another one of those terrible runs we go on that last 8 games. Panicking about not making the play offs is a bit extreme, we've had a bad week, at the end of a fantastic 10+ weeks. We can definitely still do this. Automatic is almost gone, but If we all still give 110% we can be more than a match for anyone in this division.
Well said mate.We have no one to fear in this division other than ourselves! Fulham are the only threat to us and I saw many holes in their game today
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I am not a massive Bruce fan either but some of the stuff posted about him just seven days after taking wolves to pieces is embarrassing.
True. If only our season was one game.
It is crystal clear to anybody who goes to the games that SB pays no attention to playing conditions or to the opposition whatsoever. Plenty of our support and many on this forum seem to share the same view; why the fuck should we? We are the biggest club with the most resources so let's just let rip.
Against many teams we have played in the last two seasons, doing any research at all , never mind the Moreno 50 page dossier, would have demonstrated that we could shut down the opposition's main playmaker(s). Often it has only been one. But no.
This is SB. He does what he does and will never change. Why should he? He earns the big bucks.
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Just got in. Another way below (freezing) satisfactory performance. It’s a cheap shot but I’m going to fire it - we’re bottling it, all over the pitch. Sides are working us out , closing us down and winning their battles, and try as we might we don’t have the fight in us in these last two games. Too many stray passes, bad decisions and hesitancy on the ball lead to mistake after mistake. Frustration takes over and we lose the plot.
The team looks absolutely knackered, mentally and physically, so this international break may have come at the right time. I’d also like to see Lansbury get a start instead of Hourihane, especially against teams like Cardiff who’ll no doubt follow Bolton’s lead and rough us up.
All we can hope for is a Derby win tomorrow, otherwise it’s almost certainly play offs at best.
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It's not going to get any easier. Going to Hull, Ipswich, Norwich, Millwall are all tough. Home to Derby and kicker Cardiff also tough. We need to guarantee a play off spot. I have so little faith in Bruce, just as we seem to be doing well, we think we've cracked it and fall apart.
all of a sudden a guaranteed play off spot doesn't looked nailed on does it ? - whilst Wolves was commendable let's reflect on the performances against Fulham,Preston QPR and Bolton - doesn't inspire confidence does it ?
Reflect on Wolves, Bristol City, Sheffield Wednesday..
It's easy being miserable and seeing the worst. But look at our form over the past dozen games, 27 points is it?
25. W8 D1 L3.
Last 7 w3 d1 l3 10 points out of 21 Not good enough.
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This is SB. He does what he does and will never change. Why should he? He earns the big bucks.
The same could be said of Gabby. I guess it's more because fans want to believe and have become accustomed to us being shite. Alex McLeish with a great squad; we win more than we lose. Yippee! Me, I'm still hopeful one day we'll join the 21st century. 2023 will be our year. Mark it down in your diaries.
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Well at least we don't draw anymore...
Nobody posts player ratings anymore, it's a shame. On the Manila site in a different life the post match thread would be full of ratings and justifications for the scores given but I feel it's just gone too much the other way now.
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I can't remember ever seeing us win in the snow.
13th December, 1975: Villa 3 Norwich 2 - An excellent game played on a very snowy and icy pitch; the game would probably not have gone ahead in the current era.
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Absolutely shocking performance. Bruce should be deeply ashamed. No point at all in beating Wolves to go and put in two such dire performances afterwards.
The last two games have probably ruined us for years to come.
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No stand out performers from us today. Bolton deserved the win, though that fucker of theirs at left back should have gone for that assault on Birkir. Dreadful, especially considering the linesman was right in front of the incident.
Ref was a wanker, swanning around like he was on stage at the Globe theatre. Poor standards appear to be the norm in the Championship, referee-wise.
I thought Elmo was deeply disappointing. No poise, which is fair enough to some expects given the conditions, but deary me. They, didn't seem to affect Bolton like they did us.
We just seemed to lack any oomph, for want of a better word. Hourihane was very disappointing, and what does O'Hare have to do to get a game? His endeavour and workrate might have just been what we needed.
And the four strikers isolated up top towards the end had me clicking on the cross in the top right hand corner of my laptop screen.
Rubbish.
A Derby victory later will bring a smidgen of joy to what has been a dreadful week.
Up the Villa.
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Those closer to the action may have an answer but didn't we buy experienced players to prevent meltdowns like this? I thought players were supposed to be terrified to put in crap performances with Terry barking at them. Sorry but this is so Villa over the last decade to me it seems that this lot just are not hungry enough.
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I change my mind all the while. I'm not the Church.
Luck is used a figure of speech, if somebody is using it as a genuine means of analysis then they're talking shite.
Perhaps look it as a figure of speech.
The playoffs are decided by one or two moments in a game.
Who mentioned the church? Change your mind a lot - take your time in future 😂
Aren't all games?
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At this stage of the season why are we still playing with players out of position and bizarre tactics and substitutions? Despite 2 transfer windows we still have no natural understudy to Taylor, so Bree has to play left back. We substitute 3 players with 30 goals between them all season with 3 players on 7 goals between them to find the goals to secure a draw/win. We end up playing 4 strikers with little thought as to how they can play together. Plan A with Adomah on the left and Snoddy on the right could easily become plan B, if they were just swapped. It might unsettle the opponent's back line if nothing else. This doesn't happen because Snoddy has no pace and this would be shown up on the left when he would be expected to get to the byeline. Bowing to the wishes of loan players or loan clubs only adds to the strange decisions. For this reason we have to go with Onomah on the bench instead of our own O Hare. When things click eg wolves everything's great, but we don't have go into meltdown as a team and management quickly!
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Finally got home at 2.30 AM, after a very snowy drive south of Birmingham. So, so disappointing. The whole season potentially thrown away in two performances. After Wolves, I thought no one would want to play Villa in the play off's. Now everyone will see we are a soft touch if you simply put us under pressure.
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Looking back I think as well as we played against Wolves they underestimated us and they weren't up for the fight.Bolton and QPR were up for the fight and for the most part our ageing one paced , physically weak squad got found out. I lost count of the amount of times Ameombi for them simply muscled his way past players .Infact it was only after they lost Prately that we even got into the game at all.
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Like the QPR game, we were awful again and what was more worrying what that we didn't really look like scoring. I just hope the international break does us some good and they come back firing and up for it because they need to be.
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Finally got home at 2.30 AM, after a very snowy drive south of Birmingham. So, so disappointing. The whole season potentially thrown away in two performances. After Wolves, I thought no one would want to play Villa in the play off's. Now everyone will see we are a soft touch if you simply put us under pressure.
You deserve a medal mate🏆 I'm holding on to the fact that the two big games with big crowds have brought out the best in players and fans. Lets hope that continues in the play offs.
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top man
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Had Jack's volley shot from outside the area gone in, it would have been hailed as a goal of the season. Oh, for what ifs... ::)
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Finally got home at 2.30 AM, after a very snowy drive south of Birmingham. So, so disappointing. The whole season potentially thrown away in two performances. After Wolves, I thought no one would want to play Villa in the play off's. Now everyone will see we are a soft touch if you simply put us under pressure.
I said "poor dorsetvillian" to Mr Green after the game. Good on you.
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I can't remember ever seeing us win in the snow.
13th December, 1975: Villa 3 Norwich 2 - An excellent game played on a very snowy and icy pitch; the game would probably not have gone ahead in the current era.
Sheffield United, FA cup, that Dwight Yorke penalty?
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It has been a very disappointing week, but on reflection we knew there would be setbacks. But since Xmas we have both won seven league games in a row and recently thrashed the runaway leaders 4-1. Does anybody really think Cardiff are too good to have a few slip ups? It ain’t over yet.
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Automatic promotion probably is.
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We just need to win our eight remaining games. Should be relatively easy.
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It has been a very disappointing week, but on reflection we knew there would be setbacks. But since Xmas we have both won seven league games in a row and recently thrashed the runaway leaders 4-1. Does anybody really think Cardiff are too good to have a few slip ups? It ain’t over yet.
This was not a game to be judged on for team or manager. Very difficult conditions-yes same for both sides but suited the kick and rush tactics of Bolton who were nowhere near as skilful. We have benefited from the run of the ball in recent games, this was not one of them. I will wait for the next game before criticising either, I just hope Bruce does not lose his bottle and revert to one up front with a defensive midfield.
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If there's an extenuating circumstance today it is that conditions were abysmal.
Yes abysmal for both teams but it was always going to impact is more and drag our players down to the level of theirs.
We need to keep our shit together and focus on taking as many points as we can till the end of the season.
I am not a massive Bruce fan either but some of the stuff posted about him just seven days after taking wolves to pieces is embarrassing.
Would agree with all of that.
Bruce wise, i think he's done a fairly decent job so far. He came into us 18 months ago with the club and squad in diabolical shape. He's had to change much of the squad, and ok he initially had a fair chunk financially to help him but that dried up due to FFP. There are 24 teams in this division, we were near the bottom when he took over and now we're in the top 4. He's by no means perfect (subs yesterday for example) but overall he's done fine.
I think with regards to promotion i'm a bit of a realist and have to say that automatic is out of the question, play off success is dependant on us playing like we did against Blues and Wolves in all 3 games to make that happen and i would be amazed if it did. We will bottle it at some point as others have said. Should be persevere with Bruce for next season if we have a near miss? I wouldn't mind at all, but i think Xia will have other ideas. Will making another change give us a better chance of promotion next season? I very much doubt it.
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If there's an extenuating circumstance today it is that conditions were abysmal.
Yes abysmal for both teams but it was always going to impact is more and drag our players down to the level of theirs.
We need to keep our shit together and focus on taking as many points as we can till the end of the season.
I am not a massive Bruce fan either but some of the stuff posted about him just seven days after taking wolves to pieces is embarrassing.
Would agree with all of that.
Bruce wise, i think he's done a fairly decent job so far. He came into us 18 months ago with the club and squad in diabolical shape. He's had to change much of the squad, and ok he initially had a fair chunk financially to help him but that dried up due to FFP. There are 24 teams in this division, we were near the bottom when he took over and now we're in the top 4. He's by no means perfect (subs yesterday for example) but overall he's done fine.
I think with regards to promotion i'm a bit of a realist and have to say that automatic is out of the question, play off success is dependant on us playing like we did against Blues and Wolves in all 3 games to make that happen and i would be amazed if it did. We will bottle it at some point as others have said. Should be persevere with Bruce for next season if we have a near miss? I wouldn't mind at all, but i think Xia will have other ideas. Will making another change give us a better chance of promotion next season? I very much doubt it.
I think that last point very much depends on how much of the current squad are still together and how much we're reliant on the likes of O'Hare and Mitch Clark to fill gaps in the squad / first XI. Bruce isn't exactly renowned for bringing through younger players, something we might be reliant on next year when the financial constraints of falling parachute money bite even harder.
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I think we should of looked at the conditions and started with Kenian Davis and just gone route one all game. we should have left possibly Adomah on the bench and beefed up the centre of the park with Lansbury. We seemed to finish in that mind set however it was too late and the 4 strikers on the pitch was laughable.
It's pointless having tricky wingers trying to use pace and dribbling when the ball just holds up in the snow. You might aswell just launch it into the box and hope for something just like their goal.
I did notice they didn't sweep our penalty area before the kick off yet they swept it clean in the 2nd half when Bolton were defending it.
The ref was awful. But I think the reason we lost was they won the physical battle
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kippa i,m in dreamland right now . never thought we would be in the top 2 right now at this stage . for me thought we might scrap top 10 nothing more . warnock will get the freedom of the city of cardiff if we make it to the prem .
even the plastic man utd man city , liverpool fans are swapping there tops to cardiff tops right now in south wales . the demand for villa away tickets is incredible right now all over south wales. it's not all rugby down here you know !
Surprised you only had 16k for one of your recent home games. Is it true so many of your fans are still miffed off with Tan changing the kit to Red? Think you've lost 10k average since relegation from the prem.
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I'd like to think any Brummie Reds/Blues who started to support us if we were doing well would be heartily told to fuck right off back where they came from, but maybe that's just me.
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If there's an extenuating circumstance today it is that conditions were abysmal.
Yes abysmal for both teams but it was always going to impact is more and drag our players down to the level of theirs.
We need to keep our shit together and focus on taking as many points as we can till the end of the season.
I am not a massive Bruce fan either but some of the stuff posted about him just seven days after taking wolves to pieces is embarrassing.
Would agree with all of that.
Bruce wise, i think he's done a fairly decent job so far. He came into us 18 months ago with the club and squad in diabolical shape. He's had to change much of the squad, and ok he initially had a fair chunk financially to help him but that dried up due to FFP. There are 24 teams in this division, we were near the bottom when he took over and now we're in the top 4. He's by no means perfect (subs yesterday for example) but overall he's done fine.
I think with regards to promotion i'm a bit of a realist and have to say that automatic is out of the question, play off success is dependant on us playing like we did against Blues and Wolves in all 3 games to make that happen and i would be amazed if it did. We will bottle it at some point as others have said. Should be persevere with Bruce for next season if we have a near miss? I wouldn't mind at all, but i think Xia will have other ideas. Will making another change give us a better chance of promotion next season? I very much doubt it.
Successful teams have to adapt to all conditions. Good managers should know how to adapt tactics for all conditions. As for how Bruce has done, well the obvious comparison is with Colin. Cardiff were in a similar situation to us when he took over (weren't they actually below us?) with a much less expensive squad and barely anything to spend. So by comparison I wouldn't say Bruce "has done fine". The target was and is automatic promotion, he was given sufficient funds, players and other resources to achieve that. Up to Tuesday it looked like he had a good chance of achieving that, albeit via grinding his way there rather than cruising. Right now it looks more likely he is going to fail. Reverting to a variant of the Lambert-Bradford method (except replace young and hungry with aged, slow and overfed) was not a sign of a manager who has a coherent plan. On the bright side, he does seem to do well in play off games, and Cardiff's low-cost transformation indicates that FFP spending limits need not prevent getting out of this division.
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soccerhq yes the rebrand of our club killed alot of our support and as of yet fully recovered . caused massive ructions around these parts , you would only undestand if you lived in south wales . as mentioned we have to put up with alot of plastic liverpool and man utd fans around this way too .
put it this way if a very rich owner came in to aston villa and changed your kit to blue , changed your club badge , the colour of your stadium and seats basically wiping out your heritage of a club would you lot be happy ?
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Could have done with Hutton on the pitch last night. Is he injured?
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soccerhq yes the rebrand of our club killed alot of our support and as of yet fully recovered . caused massive ructions around these parts , you would only undestand if you lived in south wales . as mentioned we have to put up with alot of plastic liverpool and man utd fans around this way too .
put it this way if a very rich owner came in to aston villa and changed your kit to blue , changed your club badge , the colour of your stadium and seats basically wiping out your heritage of a club would you lot be happy ?
I don't think anyone has suggested we would be, and I don't think you have to live in South Wales to understand that changing a clubs heritage in this way would piss a lot of fans off to the point of no return.
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I think we should of looked at the conditions and started with Kenian Davis and just gone route one all game.
We DID go route one all game anyway!! Did you see the size of their CB? - enormous, and Davis would have got very little change out of them.
It's pointless having tricky wingers trying to use pace and dribbling when the ball just holds up in the snow. You might as well just launch it into the box and hope for something just like their goal.
The snow was not so thick that it was holding the ball up significantly. I thought we used the wings quite well but didn't seem to be able to get meaningful crosses into the middle. As someone earlier said, not having a left-footer on the left and a right-footer on the right really is frustrating when we have a quick and smart striker like Grabban waiting in the middle: the quick ball in when the oppo has large, cumbersome CB would have garnered at least one goal in the game. And, it didn't really help that Elmo was particularly poor supporting Snodgrass last night.
The ref was awful. But I think the reason we lost was they won the physical battle
Agreed. And: we continually launched aimless balls into the heart of their defence, pointlessly; and, Lansbury should been introduced into the game at about 55-60 minutes for some more energy and physicality.
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It's pointless having tricky wingers trying to use pace and dribbling when the ball just holds up in the snow. You might as well just launch it into the box and hope for something just like their goal.
The snow was not so thick that it was holding the ball up significantly. I thought we used the wings quite well but didn't seem to be able to get meaningful crosses into the middle. As someone earlier said, not having a left-footer on the left and a right-footer on the right really is frustrating when we have a quick and smart striker like Grabban waiting in the middle: the quick ball in when the oppo has large, cumbersome CB would have garnered at least one goal in the game. And, it didn't really help that Elmo was particularly poor supporting Snodgrass last night.
This is important. They did their homework and realised that the best way to defend was to pull the fullbacks in and defend the box as a solid 4 and 4 holding midfielders right in front. That meant there was no space in the and Snoddy/Adomah were either cutting back into a crowd or having to go outside on their weak foot where they just couldn't get quality deliveries in. If we had a proper left back and Elmo didn't always cross from 25 yards out we might've been able to push the full backs on to counter it but as was we needed to swap the wingers for a while and try to make them respond to a different threat.
As I said on the match thread, I think RHM for Houri was the right change but the next one should've been to take Elmo off for Lansbury and go to a back 3 so we could get back to a 3 in midfield.
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Hull City supporters don’t live in South Wales and they understand the heritage of their club and have protested against their owners as have many other club’s supporters.
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You change things for clubs with no fans or history though. When your heritage is division 4 and gates of less 3K no one minds. Like Hull and Cardiff.
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Ironically last night was probably the right game to play the likes of Whelan, Hutton, Tuanzebe and maybe Jedinak. Would've added grit, determination and physicality.....once again, injuries have taken away those options.
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I was surprised Jedinak didn't play given what a bunch of over physical lump it merchants they are.
We needed more running on Tuesday.
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Bruce post-game...
"It was an awful night and I don't want to make that an excuse but the conditions certainly didn't help," the manager said. "We couldn't play any sort of real football out there. They adapted to the conditions better than we did and it wasn't a night for our wide players because they couldn't run with the ball. It was a difficult night for all. We have played a certain type of football but on a night like tonight, if I had seen it coming down the way it was, I might have picked a different team. When we left the hotel it was a glorious afternoon, by the time it kicked off. When we came in from the warm-up there was grass. When we came back out there was two inches of snow. It was a difficult night."
Is this true ? Was the snow a complete surprise and not in the forecast ?
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You change things for clubs with no fans or history though. When your heritage is division 4 and gates of less 3K no one minds. Like Hull and Cardiff.
I think the supporters of those clubs do mind and care just as passionately as those who support clubs with bigger gates and history, or so called bigger clubs.
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What was going on with that Steward and the Ball-Boy late in the 2nd half ??
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Lean day on the boat today, just the one.
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*shrugs shoulders*
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Our support yesterday, pic from Ian Taylor on Twitter.
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For any masochists
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Bruce post-game...
"It was an awful night and I don't want to make that an excuse but the conditions certainly didn't help," the manager said. "We couldn't play any sort of real football out there. They adapted to the conditions better than we did and it wasn't a night for our wide players because they couldn't run with the ball. It was a difficult night for all. We have played a certain type of football but on a night like tonight, if I had seen it coming down the way it was, I might have picked a different team. When we left the hotel it was a glorious afternoon, by the time it kicked off. When we came in from the warm-up there was grass. When we came back out there was two inches of snow. It was a difficult night."
Is this true ? Was the snow a complete surprise and not in the forecast ?
I think thats a shit excuse , any changes to the first 11 would have been within the subs bench so if he needed to change it he could have done it at half time , hell he could have even been proactive and sacrificed someone in the FH .Given that when he did make subs he just lumped on 3 strikers I'm not sure what other tactic he had in mind to start with ...
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We always do shit against Parkys sides.
True dat!
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How i dislike Bolton. I never enjoy going there whatever the result Now i see the price of the away tickets for their next visitors who just happen to be Small Heath are £15 .Seeing as i had to fork out £35 you could say i am bit miffed