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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Bad English on March 03, 2018, 09:11:34 AM
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Now our next game.
Tuesday 6th March at 7.45pm.
0-1 to the Villa.
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0-4 to Villa. Villa are Villa and Sunderland are Sunderland.
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0-4 to Villa. Villa are Villa and Sunderland are Sunderland.
Hopefully, with no more snow between now and Tuesday, this will go ahead. It was encouraging to see that Boro were able to play their home game last night.
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0-0
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0-2
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tricky one to call as they will/should be scrapping for their survival. I'd play LG for this one.
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tricky one to call as they will/should be scrapping for their survival. I'd play LG for this one.
They're so bad i'd play Larry Grayson as well.
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1-3.
No excuses for not winning this. Had an extended break and Sunderland are desperate and going down.
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Hopefully today's Sunderland game doesn't get called off so they'll be tired. I keep thinking that surely they're bound to pick up a bit, eventually. It had better not be this Tuesday.
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tricky one to call as they will/should be scrapping for their survival. I'd play LG for this one.
Really? They are below Burton and the Noses so they are clearly not much good at scrapping.
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1-4.
We usually win there when we're not terrible.
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Win, 2 to the Villa nothing for Sunderland
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I'd clean forgot about this game
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Villa 3-0, Coleman starts to lower the lifeboat
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0-3 Grabban x2 and Hogan
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1-0 Villa, Snodgrass goal
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Most important game of the season, vital we win this etc. Not taking any points from the QPR game means Bruce is on his last chance, why weren’t there more attacking options on the bench last Saturday? Where’s Green?
8-0 to Villa or Bruce should be sacked.
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I've gone for the win but it seems so winable it makes me think we won't.
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Now our next game.
Tuesday 6th March at 7.45pm.
0-1 to the Villa.
Oh no you started the last one and look what happened :-[ Time to batten down the hatches.
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I got some abuse earlier for suggesting it wouldn't be a formality and today Sunderland are showing some fight at Millwall.
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Filthy Millwall equalise
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They've managed one shot on target and scored from it. 2 shots in total.
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Sunderland are shit, on their arse and there for the taking.
1-1
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draws are useless to us now - we've had too many already
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1-2
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Our record up there must be as good as our record at the Riverside.
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If we don't beat them we may as well give up. 0 - 2 Villa.
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Although a rest is helpful, a ten day break with reduced training due to weather may be less so
Jack and Adomah should be back
Grabban up front for me
The rest picks itself
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Is Jack fit for this then?
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Every time I predict a win we f&+k up so I've had to go for the draw. Seriously we should be doing these over without getting into third gear.
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Although a rest is helpful, a ten day break with reduced training due to weather may be less so
Jack and Adomah should be back
Grabban up front for me
The rest picks itself
Jack could possibly be on the bench with a 25 minute run out at the end - He seems slightly behind AA.. I would also start Grabban, especially with it being his old club.
I think that AA in for Onomah is a no brainer. I just wonder whether he felt we were slightly light in midfield last week and look to go back to one up front, with Hogan being the lone striker.
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Of the fixtures in March, this was the one that worries me for unexpected dropped points. Always wary when we play "fallen giants" similar to ourselves. Should be routine so will go with my head and ignore the nagging doubt. 0-2
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Sunderland seem to have a knack of scrapping draws, which concerns me, but we really should have nothing to fear if we turn up. 1-3 and essential to keep on track for automatic and to be positive going into The Wolves game.
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Sunderland seem to have a knack of scrapping draws, which concerns me, but we really should have nothing to fear if we turn up. 1-3 and essential to keep on track for automatic and to be positive going into The Wolves game.
They've lost 7 out of the last 11, including being beaten by SHA and Bolton. Terrible side, there's no excuse for not battering them.
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Sunderland seem to have a knack of scrapping draws, which concerns me, but we really should have nothing to fear if we turn up. 1-3 and essential to keep on track for automatic and to be positive going into The Wolves game.
They've lost 7 out of the last 11, including being beaten by SHA and Bolton. Terrible side, there's no excuse for not battering them.
Yep, this should be go there, play a game of football, take 3 points then fuck off home.
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1-1. Meltdown.
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1-1. Meltdown.
by you?
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1-1. Meltdown.
by you?
The Twitter masses.
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Sunderland seem to have a knack of scrapping draws, which concerns me,
Yes when they are leading.
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Played 35 and lost 17. Seems they have a habit of being really shit.
Yes we must be professional, work harder than them, but there is absolutely no excuse not to beat them. They've won 11 in 73 games. They are utter fucking shite.
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0.4 - Hogan with them all
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We need to be the team pressing from start.The last thing we want to do is to stand off them and give them space.Pressure from the off from us will bring mistakes from them and if we can get their crowd restless early on we should leave with the 3 points.
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I wouldn't disagree. We need an energy about us.as first goal can be key. Concentration has done for a few sides against them, but I'm hopefully we will be ruthless. Wouldn't surprise me if he went with;
Johnstone
Taylor
Terry
Chester
Elmo
Adomah
Hourihane
Whelan
Snoddy
Grabban
Hogan
With Grabban having licence to drop deep and pull wide.
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As long as we're professional about this, I can find nothing to suggest we won't win.
0-something, perm two or three from Hogan, Grabban, Hourihane, Snodgrass, one of our returnees. Fuck me, we've got some firepower for this division.
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I wouldn't disagree. We need an energy about us.as first goal can be key. Concentration has done for a few sides against them, but I'm hopefully we will be ruthless. Wouldn't surprise me if he went with;
Johnstone
Taylor
Terry
Chester
Elmo
Adomah
Hourihane
Whelan
Snoddy
Grabban
Hogan
With Grabban having licence to drop deep and pull wide.
If Grealish is fit I’d drop Hogan and bring him in. We need to get at them from the off.
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Very much a mirror image of the Preston away game earlier on this season. Will take the same result 0-2
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Yes I'd bring Jack in if fit and go with 4141
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Sunderland are shit, on their arse and there for the taking.
1-1
BOOOOOOOOM! ;)
Frankly, we should have far too much for them: but that's what makes me a tad nervous. Let's hope-to-God Bruce gets the show back on the road - so we can start putting the pressure back on Colin's mob. Failure is NOT an option.
1-3 Villa.
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Yes I'd bring Jack in if fit and go with 4141
I think if Jack starts, it will be at the expense of Grabban.
I'd start Jack on the bench with a view to giving him a run out towards the end (or earlier if things aren't going well)
I'd go with the side that Risso named. I'd like to see how we fair with Jack in for Hogan but I can't see Bruce going with that straight away.
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Will not be easy but to go up we have to win games like this. Jack and Albert on the bench, last 25 let them loose.
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Will not be easy but to go up we have to win games like this. Jack and Albert on the bench, last 25 let them loose.
You going or have you gone back?
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For me Hogan has to start because it's a great chance to get him scoring again and having a finisher in form makes such a difference. Grabban can play from the left if we're looking to fit him in.
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Grabban should start ahead of Hogan on current form.
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Sunderland, despite their propping up the table, can score goals, and do battle, which is to be cautious about, and so we need to we score a few,
Still, we should win at Stadium du Light.
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Sunderland, despite their propping up the table, can score goals, and do battle, which is to be cautious about, and so we need to we score a few,
Still, we should win at Stadium du Light.
Not any more they can't.
Mwahhahhahhahhaa.
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For me Hogan has to start because it's a great chance to get him scoring again and having a finisher in form makes such a difference. Grabban can play from the left if we're looking to fit him in.
Adomah should play on the left
I’d play Grabban ahead of hogan
If grealish isn’t ready to start we should in theory be able to “get away” with 442. If so, I’d maybe play Bjarnason and hourihane as they’ve got more mobility
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Grabban should start ahead of Hogan on current form.
I like him. Something of the unorthodox about him.
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Just watched the Sunderland - Millwall highlights
Basically Sunderland scored from long range and then Millwall had a success in of half chances from corners, one of which went in and several went close
Those Sunderland fans are prone to leaving the stadium once two down so I hope to see a repeat of that before the hour
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Just watched the Sunderland - Millwall highlights
Basically Sunderland scored from long range and then Millwall had a success in of half chances from corners, one of which went in and several went close
Those Sunderland fans are prone to leaving the stadium once two down so I hope to see a repeat of that before the hour
Before the hour of 8
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Grabban should start ahead of Hogan on current form.
I like him. Something of the unorthodox about him.
With that beard, he has something of the Orthodox about him.
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Win, 2 to the Villa nothing for Sunderland
2 nil then?
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Fulham are flying and we need to put take the wind out of their sails with a comprehensive win. Heart over head I'm hoping for a 0-4 scoreline.
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Sunderland, despite their propping up the table, can score goals, and do battle, which is to be cautious about, and so we need to we score a few,
Still, we should win at Stadium du Light.
Not any more they can't.
Mwahhahhahhahhaa.
In their last 5 games they have scored 7 goals.... and leaked 10
In our last 5 games we have scored 10 and leaked 7
We will still win though.
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If jack and/or Bert are fit, I’d have them on the bench to come on if we need them. If we don’t need them, save them for the game against the dingles.
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Always had a bit of a soft spot for Sunderland. They seem to conduct themselves a little better.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/mar/02/sunderland-offer-temporary-shelter-to-local-homeless-stadium-of-light
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Absolute must win this one. Cardiff's next two games are Barnsley and Small Heath at home, so cannot see them getting less than 6 points from those.
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Got to win this. 1-2.
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2-0 win for us.
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even when we were crap with Lambert we went there and spanked them
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They beat us under Garde, but I struggle to recall anything else since they were last promoted where we've done out but beat them.
Even with 10 men under O'Neill.
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They beat us under Garde, but I struggle to recall anything else since they were last promoted where we've done out but beat them.
Even with 10 men under O'Neill.
Drew 2-2 under Dim Tim idn't we?
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I cant believe how bad they have fallen
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I cant believe how bad they have fallen
Could well have been us had Lerner not done the decent thing and fcuked off. The similarities up until that point are striking.
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Sunderland, despite their propping up the table, can score goals, and do battle, which is to be cautious about, and so we need to we score a few,
Still, we should win at Stadium du Light.
Not any more they can't.
Mwahhahhahhahhaa.
In their last 5 games they have scored 7 goals.... and leaked 10
In our last 5 games we have scored 10 and leaked 7
We will still win though.
Sunderland 7 Villa 10 it is then. Wonder what odds that is with the bookies?
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They beat us under Garde, but I struggle to recall anything else since they were last promoted where we've done out but beat them.
Even with 10 men under O'Neill.
Drew 2-2 under Dim Tim idn't we?
Won 4-0. 4 nil up at half time.
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I remember losing 1-0 under (I think) Lambert. Sessengson or whatever his name is scored.
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Dunne own goal in October 2010.
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I remember losing 1-0 under (I think) Lambert. Sessengson or whatever his name is scored.
Lambert never lost to Sunderland in 5 league games. The 6-1 was a great night. Sessengnon actually got sent off in that one.
Houllier did lose though twice in three months, both 1-0 games. Another reason why it mystifies me why his reign is looked upon with misty eyes.
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I remember losing under MON, 1-0 at home, think Chopra scored and it might have been their only away win all season, or at the time.
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I remember losing under MON, 1-0 at home, think Chopra scored and it might have been their only away win all season, or at the time.
Completely forgot that result as I was going to post in the last one that MON never lost to Sunderland in the league either. We were unbeaten at Stadium of Light under him anyway.
We've done pretty well against them in the last decade.
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I remember losing under MON, 1-0 at home, think Chopra scored and it might have been their only away win all season, or at the time.
Didn't we lose to them at home with Darren Bent scoring the winner - I think it was that match that David Meyler broke his leg really badly too.
It was a particularly dreadful match, IIRC.
Pretty sure we that was the Houllier year (as I think we responded by buying Darren Bent off them).
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Phil Bardsley scored the winner that night.
Houllier left the field to chants of "sacked in the morning" from the Holte End.
We were in the bottom 3.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/9331248.stm
Edit: Steve Bruce was manager of Sunderland and they went sixth after the game but us buying Bent as you say Paulie knackered his time there.
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Phil Bardsley scored the winner that night.
Houllier left the field to chants of "sacked in the morning" from the Holte End.
We were in the bottom 3.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/9331248.stm
Edit: Steve Bruce was manager of Sunderland and they went sixth after the game but us buying Bent as you say Paulie knackered his time there.
Chicago Villain making some typically interesting comments...
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Phil Bardsley scored the winner that night.
Houllier left the field to chants of "sacked in the morning" from the Holte End.
We were in the bottom 3.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/9331248.stm
Edit: Steve Bruce was manager of Sunderland and they went sixth after the game but us buying Bent as you say Paulie knackered his time there.
Chicago Villain making some typically interesting comments...
H&V post match thread.....
http://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=41698.0
Eamonn on the first page. Chuckle.
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I'm going to this one as I live in Newcastle so I expect a win. I went for a walk on Saturday and the commentary of their game was on the radio - they created so little it was untrue. As soon as Millwall came out in the second half with a higher tempo they had no answer. Millwall must have had 5 or 6 clear chances. If we get the lead early and keep going we should be fine. I recognise what I've said there isn't really our way..
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Paulie in 2017: Y'know Houllier was the only Villa manager in recent times you could see was onto something.
Paulie in 2011: That was utterly inept from start to finish.
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Just watched the Sunderland - Millwall highlights
Basically Sunderland scored from long range and then Millwall had a success in of half chances from corners, one of which went in and several went close
Those Sunderland fans are prone to leaving the stadium once two down so I hope to see a repeat of that before the hour
The Sunderland keeper looks hopeless too. Reason I'd start Davis, they seemed hopeless defending crosses.
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They beat us under Garde, but I struggle to recall anything else since they were last promoted where we've done out but beat them.
Even with 10 men under O'Neill.
Drew 2-2 under Dim Tim idn't we?
Won 4-0. 4 nil up at half time.
We played them off the park in that first half.
It's a decent place to go so it's shame this is midweek game. I'll go 2-0 to us. Grabban with both.
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They beat us under Garde, but I struggle to recall anything else since they were last promoted where we've done out but beat them.
Even with 10 men under O'Neill.
Drew 2-2 under Dim Tim idn't we?
Won 4-0. 4 nil up at half time.
We drew 2-2 at home under Sherwood, or were you only talking about away games?
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Sorry yeah, I was only talking about games up there.
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I'll go 2-0 to us. Grabban with both.
That would be perfect. For some reason, despite him being their top scorer this season they really don't like him.
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Always had a bit of a soft spot for Sunderland. They seem to conduct themselves a little better.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/mar/02/sunderland-offer-temporary-shelter-to-local-homeless-stadium-of-light
I definitely have a soft spot for them, and I hope after Tuesday, they win all their games and stay up.
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Phil Bardsley scored the winner that night.
Houllier left the field to chants of "sacked in the morning" from the Holte End.
We were in the bottom 3.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/9331248.stm
Edit: Steve Bruce was manager of Sunderland and they went sixth after the game but us buying Bent as you say Paulie knackered his time there.
Chicago Villain making some typically interesting comments...
H&V post match thread.....
http://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=41698.0
Eamonn on the first page. Chuckle.
Ha.
I think Heskey missed an absolute sitter in this game. Not uncommon, mind you but this was open-goal stuff.
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I’m one of the few who’ve gone for a draw in this one. We always struggle up there. On paper, we should beat them comfortably, but we always seem to fk up in the so-called easy games. Prove me wrong Villa! FTF!!
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I’m one of the few who’ve gone for a draw in this one. We always struggle up there. On paper, we should beat them comfortably, but we always seem to fk up in the so-called easy games. Prove me wrong Villa! FTF!!
I'm not too sure where you got that from. The last four times we've played up there, we've won 3.
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Another Villa Victory, Moving on..............
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I’m one of the few who’ve gone for a draw in this one. We always struggle up there. On paper, we should beat them comfortably, but we always seem to fk up in the so-called easy games. Prove me wrong Villa! FTF
I'm not too sure where you got that from. The last four times we've played up there, we've won 3.
based entirely on perception Clampy, I readily admit, I don’t do stats when it comes to posting on here! 4 matches is hardly an extensive statistical sample though mate.
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Apparently are no easy games, but if we are serious contenders there should be no excuses in this game.
Something I find hard to understand under Bruce is that we seem far too nice and allow teams to gain confidence in games.
There has been exceptions of course, but I would like us to really get into Sunderland from the kick off and rub salt in the wounds.
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In the home game Keenan’s inexperience was shown up by O’Shea and was a major reason why we struggled to impose ourselves. That should not be a factor tonight. If we approach the game in the right we then we should have far too much for them.
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Grabban should start ahead of Hogan on current form.
I like him. Something of the unorthodox about him.
With that beard, he has something of the Orthodox about him.
;D ;D ;D
Very Good
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Stadium of Light must be one of the most kindest away grounds for us. We've lost one game up there in over 12 years and that was under Remi Garde.
By contrast our record is useless at Newcastle.
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On the first leg of a 650-mile round trip from Sussex. My last visit to Sunderland was that 3-1 capitulation under Garde but I feel pretty confident we can win this one
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Well I live up there (here). The mackems are shitting themselves that they are going to get a right tonking
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I've got a bad feeling about this.
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On the first leg of a 650-mile round trip from Sussex. My last visit to Sunderland was that 3-1 capitulation under Garde but I feel pretty confident we can win this one
Ha! You must be mad. Even more of a reason for wanting an away win tonight, Frank.
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Apparently are no easy games, but if we are serious contenders there should be no excuses in this game.
Something I find hard to understand under Bruce is that we seem far too nice and allow teams to gain confidence in games.
There has been exceptions of course, but I would like us to really get into Sunderland from the kick off and rub salt in the wounds.
I kind of know what you're saying. Sheff Weds had far too many chances to win the game before we eventually did.
I'd put Jedinak for tonight I think.
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Tonight should be all about attacking as their defence is piss poor. Get at them from the first minute and the game should be over by half time.
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They are rock bottom. Just like when we played the Blues - they are there for a reason and if we play with no fear, a bit of pace then we have enough to see this through even comfortably.
Alternatively go there defensively minded and hope to nick something we could come unstuck
Be positive Brucey and go at them from the start - get a couple of early goals and they will crumble like a cheap suit
3-0
Hogan
Albert
Conor
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Apparently are no easy games, but if we are serious contenders there should be no excuses in this game.
Something I find hard to understand under Bruce is that we seem far too nice and allow teams to gain confidence in games.
There has been exceptions of course, but I would like us to really get into Sunderland from the kick off and rub salt in the wounds.
I kind of know what you're saying. Sheff Weds had far too many chances to win the game before we eventually did.
I'd put Jedinak for tonight I think.
So would I.
Johnstone
Elmo Chester Terry Taylor
Hourihane Jedinak Grealish
Snodgrass Grabban Adomah
Assuming Jack and Albert are both fit.
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They are rock bottom. Just like when we played the Blues - they are there for a reason and if we play with no fear, a bit of pace then we have enough to see this through even comfortably.
Alternatively go there defensively minded and hope to nick something we could come unstuck
Be positive Brucey and go at them from the start - get a couple of early goals and they will crumble like a cheap suit
3-0
Hogan
Albert
Conor
Point of order, Mr Speaker - would a cheap suit not fall apart rather than crumble?
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Need to win tonight.
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Need to win tonight.
Do'h stupid brain
I meant CRUMPLE
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Hopefully they'll fold like a deck of suits.
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Hopefully they'll fold like a deck of suits.
We'll be all over them like a cheap cards.
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Piss taking gits ;)
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Hopefully they'll fold like a deck of suits.
We'll be all over them like a cheap cards.
So Bruce is shuffling the pack then? Joker :)
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Was the Garde game the Gil screamer?
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From 2000 onwards our record up there is W7 D4 L3. Defeats under Garde (Gil goal) and two 1-0 defeats in 10/11 and 07/08.
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Both Fulham and Cardff should be easy home wins so we need a result. UTV.
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Most of the relevant information for supporters can be found here:
https://www.safc.com/fans/stadium-guide
For parking we would recommend St Mary's Car Park in the city centre - SR1 3AH For supporters coming in by Metro from Newcastle please ask them to use St Peter's Metro on arrival as this is the closest station. Supporters travelling back to Newcastle need to use the Stadium of Light metro station as this is the only station with metro trains to Newcastle for 30 minutes after full time.
Most pubs in the city centre are away fan friendly. For pubs near the ground I would recommend the Colliery Tavern and the Hilton Hotel which are both situated near the away end.
Disabled supporters can use the lift in the Black Cats Bar to get to the away end. The entrance to the Black Cats Bar is right next to the away turnstiles and our stewards can direct them to the entrance on arrival.
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Any news on Jack?
I'm really in two minds. I desperately want him back in the teams, but if there is any risk at all then I think we should wait.
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I'd start with both AA and Jack on the bench - try to win the game and only call on them if it's looking tricky after the hour.
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I'd like to see them both play before Saturday.
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In my view we now should play our best available team every game until 2nd place (or better) is secured. If we slip up tonight having held players back, we will feel like right numpties....
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In my view we now should play our best available team every game until 2nd place (or better) is secured. If we slip up tonight having held players back, we will feel like right numpties....
The thing is though, with regards to Grealish and Adomah what is the best team? Is it better to give them 90 minutes and risk problems for Saturday or to ease them in tonight if needed?
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Does anyone know if this on AVTV?
Edit. Just found the pre-match page on AVTV. It's is being screened for international Lions (and crafty buggers with VPNs).
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In my view we now should play our best available team every game until 2nd place (or better) is secured. If we slip up tonight having held players back, we will feel like right numpties....
The thing is though, with regards to Grealish and Adomah what is the best team? Is it better to give them 90 minutes and risk problems for Saturday or to ease them in tonight if needed?
They are either fully fit or not. If the former then both have to start.
We have 12 cup finals left and can’t afford to not play our best team in any of those
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In my view we now should play our best available team every game until 2nd place (or better) is secured. If we slip up tonight having held players back, we will feel like right numpties....
The thing is though, with regards to Grealish and Adomah what is the best team? Is it better to give them 90 minutes and risk problems for Saturday or to ease them in tonight if needed?
They are either fully fit or not. If the former then both have to start.
We have 12 cup finals left and can’t afford to not play our best team in any of those
Exactly. And by playing our 'best' team tonight we might run the risk of not being able to play it on Saturday.
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In my view we now should play our best available team every game until 2nd place (or better) is secured. If we slip up tonight having held players back, we will feel like right numpties....
The thing is though, with regards to Grealish and Adomah what is the best team? Is it better to give them 90 minutes and risk problems for Saturday or to ease them in tonight if needed?
They are either fully fit or not. If the former then both have to start.
We have 12 cup finals left and can’t afford to not play our best team in any of those
It's never that black and white Vinnie. Players are often played when not 100%, it's a very fine line.
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In my view we now should play our best available team every game until 2nd place (or better) is secured. If we slip up tonight having held players back, we will feel like right numpties....
The thing is though, with regards to Grealish and Adomah what is the best team? Is it better to give them 90 minutes and risk problems for Saturday or to ease them in tonight if needed?
They are either fully fit or not. If the former then both have to start.
We have 12 cup finals left and can’t afford to not play our best team in any of those
It's never that black and white Vinnie. Players are often played when not 100%, it's a very fine line.
My point was if they have trained well all week to no adverse reactions. Medical team say they are fine then for me start them. If that’s not the case then easing them back in is smarter
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Any news on Jack?
I'm really in two minds. I desperately want him back in the teams, but if there is any risk at all then I think we should wait.
Start Jack and leave Grabban in for Adamoah
Davis for Hogan too
Get the first goal and we will win
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Hopefully both Albert and Jack will get at least 45 minutes, ideally at half time when we're already 2-0 up. Time for a show of strength.
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Grealish is on the bench, Albert starts
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Grealish out for a few games and then bring him back in a high intensity local derby. Hmm great idea Brucie. Should be in tonight to make sure we get the 3 points and get match fit for Saturday
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Grealish out for a few games and then bring him back in a high intensity local derby. Hmm great idea Brucie. Should be in tonight to make sure we get the 3 points and get match fit for Saturday
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Well if he's on the bench then he is in tonight. Can't see the problem with that?