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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Dave P on February 26, 2018, 12:53:37 PM
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I know this was covered a lot in various match and Snodgrass threads but it's still going on. It's like they are the only team who have had a bad ref *. The below are all from the current first page Owlstalk: -
https://www.owlstalk.co.uk/forums/topic/268995-snodgrass-tweet/
https://www.owlstalk.co.uk/forums/topic/268975-letter-sent-to-the-fa/
https://www.owlstalk.co.uk/forums/topic/269008-swarbricks-punishment/
https://www.owlstalk.co.uk/forums/topic/268959-a-picture-says-a-thousand-words/
Not sure if they are like this every time they lose. This could be moved to 'Other Football' so we can use this thread to keep on them throughout the season.
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They didn't have a bad ref. Some of them actually don't think we should have had a penalty. What they are suffering from is bad opticians.
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Pretty pathetic a bunch of grown men being that upset over a referee even days later...and I still haven't forgiven the whippet-shaggers for that ludicrous Nigel Jemson "goal".
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They didn't have a bad ref. Some of them actually don't think we should have had a penalty. What they are suffering from is bad opticians.
I've changed the original post to address this ;)
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Dear FA,
I would like the FA to investigate the level of goalscoring during the Sheffield Wednesday vs Aston Villa played at Hillsborough yesterday.
I know as a paying member of the public I cannot instigate a full enquiry, but the FA, as the regulatory body should be aware of what happened at the game.
Firstly the amount of goals scored was somewhat disproportionate. 4 to 2. I find this very strange. We had the lions share of possession, by far the more clear cut chances and hit the woodwork twice, but 4 to 2 seems to suggest one team were twice more, shall we say better, than the other. This was not the case.
Secondly the overall standard of the officials was somewhat one-sided. The FA clearly want Villa back in the prem, there is a clear anti Hillsborough stance at the FA and Villa's chairman has clearly bribed the officials because we called him "The Mad Doctor".
I have never written to the FA before, as in the past I have assumed that we were beaten by the better side, as we all are from time to time. Sadly that cannot be said of the result in yesterdays games, as our players decision making was consistently poor which led to Villa scoring more goals than we did.
I look forward to your response.
Regards"
We Wuz Robbed from Sheffield
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I wonder why match fixing is a subject they know a lot about? Takes one to know one I suppose? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1964_British_betting_scandal)
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It’s a shame the FA didn’t implement this nefarious corrupt plan to ensure that we were in the top flight before we got relegated in the first place!
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There's some pure gold in those threads, they make the noses look well balanced.
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The tackle from Terry was brilliant. Thought at the time and the replays confirmed it.
They're a bunch of small time cranks.
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I was particularly amused by the amount of them still foaming at the mouth over Terry's tackle on their forward. One of their muppets even posted a clip of the challenge - which clearly shows that Terry played the ball! Deary me.
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They're as bad as Brizzol City. I think these jumped up clubs with delusions of grandeur get all ansty when clubs like us stop being 'in crisis' and actually start getting results. They see us as the benchmark for their own failings, simple as.
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The tackle from Terry was brilliant. Thought at the time and the replays confirmed it.
Was that the one where their forward was left in a heap clutching his leg and then jumped up when they started another attack straight away and had a shot saved by Johnstone?
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Aye that's the one.
Small clubs like them should be used to the big boys getting all the decisions.
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Wow
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The tackle from Terry was brilliant. Thought at the time and the replays confirmed it.
Was that the one where their forward was left in a heap clutching his leg and then jumped up when they started another attack straight away and had a shot saved by Johnstone?
Yes - looked like he'd been run over by a tank and as soon as they regained possession, he was up like a shot.
Great tackle from Terry.
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Sorry but why do we bother looking at their fan websites?
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I've looked at their gripes:
1. Our first goal, they claim Snoddy wasn't fouled for the free kick that led to it. Yes he was - It clearly shows him being pulled back. They then claim that Terry was offside. No he wasn't, you see him running with the defender to his right in front of him (not sure if they know they you only become offside once the ball is played, not before)
2. They should have had a penalty in the first half. This is the only close or debatable decision. I've watched it several times and still cannot make my mind up. There was definitely no trip as they claim but possibly a clash of legs. The ref was right on top of it and none of their players appealed for it bar the one who went down (which suggests that he was looking for it).
3. The ball crossed the line for the goalmouth scramble in the second half. Yeah right - Is the goal line technology corrupt as well?
4. The ball went out when Snoddy ran with it, leading to the corner for Connor's goal. TV clearly shows that it didn't.
5. It wasn't a penalty - The most silly claim of all and deserves no explanation.
None of their players, staff or manager have complained about the ref, nor their media or press - The only people complaining are a bunch of head the balls on the internet.
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Sorry but why do we bother looking at their fan websites?
The entertainment value on that site alone justifies 10 minutes of your time.
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The tackle from Terry was brilliant. Thought at the time and the replays confirmed it.
Was that the one where their forward was left in a heap clutching his leg and then jumped up when they started another attack straight away and had a shot saved by Johnstone?
Yes - looked like he'd been run over by a tank and as soon as they regained possession, he was up like a shot.
Great tackle from Terry.
He had the same build as the Wycombe Beast great tackle by terry
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Anybody got a link to a vid showing the tackle?
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Anybody got a link to a vid showing the tackle?
It's about 7.30 mins in:
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Sorry but why do we bother looking at their fan websites?
The entertainment value on that site alone justifies 10 minutes of your time.
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Very strange lot up there. Even the local journalists seem to be a bit up themselves. I watched their manager's pre-match press conference and the local hack was laying in to him big time. It never crossed his mind that the manager has only been in the job a short time, is having to use the previous managers players and they have 16 players out injured (17 after Saturday), at least 10 of them first teamers. The bloody journalist was telling the manager what he should be doing, what strikers he should be playing, when to make the subs.. it was the most shocking press conference I've seen since Mike Bassett was England manager.
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I spoke to a Wednesday fan who was there this morning and he was moaning about the ref's apparent over-familiarity with Steve Bruce but did concede Villa were the better side in the 2nd half.
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The best bit for me in one of those threads is where one of them starts banging on about how VAR can't come to the Championship soon enough, only to then go on and say that the VAR they didn't have would've been dodgy too so it wouldn't have made any difference!!!
Even the Bitters aren't that bitter!
Oh, and if he supported a proper club he'd stop worrying about getting VAR in the Championship and just get promoted to a division where it's already used!
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Anybody got a link to a vid showing the tackle?
It's about 7.30 mins in:
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Cheers, thought it was that one. There's not even the slightest suggestion that that should have been a red card. It was a perfectly timed tackle from Terry, which was immediately obvious both at first sight, but even more so when slowing things down. The Sheffield Wednesday fans are a bunch of tinfoil hat wearing mentallists.
"Someone wants them back in the Premier League." FFS! Yes, it's been a brilliant time to be a Villa fan for the last few years, and even better when the Illuminati get involved to make things easy for us.
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In fairness most of them take the piss out of the letter writer. Just like we would on here.
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In fairness most of them take the piss out of the letter writer. Just like we would on here.
By the same token, whilst writing a silly letter is absolutely ridiculous, the overwhelming majority on there are claiming that the ref got every decision wrong. The TV highlights have shown that on each and every occasion, the ref was actually right and it is them who are wrong. I'm guilty of doing this myself when I watch games and often stand corrected when I've had the benefit of watching a TV replay. These people are continuing the arguments even when it is clear that the ref got it right and they are coming out with the most ridiculous of conspiracy theories.
Only 1 foul against is unusual in a game but it is partly a compliment to the way they played - They moved the ball well and were often too quick for us.
None of it really matters as we have the 3 points. It's still funny reading their bitterness and anger though. There's nothing better than sore losers.
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(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/3e/56/41/3e5641a999b2b4e5940c9e26c3ce0012.jpg)
...an when we got home to septic tank in middle of road, our Dad would stab us to death and then dance on our graves singing "Up the Villa"...if we were lucky !
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Just a thought - If there was anything malicious or untoward, surely the ref would have made it less obvious than just giving 1 foul against us? I mean if he's allowed 3 goals to be scored that shouldn't have been, disallowed one of theirs that was over the line, failed to send Terry off and refused a nailed on penalty, surely he'll give a few fouls in safe areas of the pitch so as not to draw attention to himself?
And he would ov got away with it anall if it wasn't for those pesky kids.
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Sorry but why do we bother looking at their fan websites?
The entertainment value on that site alone justifies 10 minutes of your time.
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OK on my way😊
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I can understand being pissed off losing a game like that, I would be too. They battered us fist half and going in 4-1 down wouldn't have been an injustice. But, and as I alluded to in the match thread, I've seen us have that sort of half where we've created a load of chances but it just hasn't gone in, and so I thought we might actually nick it. The Terry tackle was just that, a perfectly judged tackle, and the Snodgrass penalty was as cut and dried a decision as I've ever seen. Their player just ran in to him like he was trying out for the rugby a bit later in the afternoon.
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I don't think they battered us in the first half. They had more chances overall, and were probably the better side. "Battered us", though? Nah. Plus the highlights neglect to show Snodgrass' missed header just before half-time.
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They believe they're a big club and hated that a bigger one came along and beat them.
I said at half time that we'd beat them because we were playing badly but they're awful. They had delusions after that first half and leading twice and losing 4-2 has to be a very bitter pill to swallow.
Anyway, I'm rather enjoying life today though funnily enough the only people talking to me are Blades fans.
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I don't think they battered us in the first half. They had more chances overall, and were probably the better side. "Battered us", though? Nah. Plus the highlights neglect to show Snodgrass' missed header just before half-time.
Which was obviously offside and handballed anyway which the ref or linesman didn't spot.
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I don't think they battered us in the first half. They had more chances overall, and were probably the better side. "Battered us", though? Nah. Plus the highlights neglect to show Snodgrass' missed header just before half-time.
Which was obviously offside and handballed anyway which the bribed ref or dirty Villa linesman didn't spot, I'm writing to the FA.
FTFY.
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That Snoddy header was an absolute sitter.
They didn't get the penalty, as it was marginal, but Clare had gone diving about before which must have played on the referees mind.
Snoddy is excellent at winning free kicks. No doubt about it.
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I've looked at their gripes:
1. Our first goal, they claim Snoddy wasn't fouled for the free kick that led to it. Yes he was - It clearly shows him being pulled back. They then claim that Terry was offside. No he wasn't, you see him running with the defender to his right in front of him (not sure if they know they you only become offside once the ball is played, not before)
2. They should have had a penalty in the first half. This is the only close or debatable decision. I've watched it several times and still cannot make my mind up. There was definitely no trip as they claim but possibly a clash of legs. The ref was right on top of it and none of their players appealed for it bar the one who went down (which suggests that he was looking for it).
3. The ball crossed the line for the goalmouth scramble in the second half. Yeah right - Is the goal line technology corrupt as well?
4. The ball went out when Snoddy ran with it, leading to the corner for Connor's goal. TV clearly shows that it didn't.
5. It wasn't a penalty - The most silly claim of all and deserves no explanation.
None of their players, staff or manager have complained about the ref, nor their media or press - The only people complaining are a bunch of head the balls on the internet.
I suppose they are salty about the NFL style hit that led to a penalty at the end too? It's almost like they don't know the rules to the game. I'm an American that's followed "soccer" for all of about a decade. I'm probably as ignorant as it comes, yet it seems I know more about the rules than their fans do. The ball has to completely cross a boundary line for it to count, it's not a foul if the defender gets to the ball first, and off-sides only applies to where he was before the pass was made. Do they not know this?
By the way, please correct me if I'm wrong. :D
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When former big clubs (owners/management/fans) lose touch with reality and start blaming everything and everyone else for their demise rather than examining their own various orifices they become Sheffield Wednesday and Leeds.
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I've looked at their gripes:
1. Our first goal, they claim Snoddy wasn't fouled for the free kick that led to it. Yes he was - It clearly shows him being pulled back. They then claim that Terry was offside. No he wasn't, you see him running with the defender to his right in front of him (not sure if they know they you only become offside once the ball is played, not before)
2. They should have had a penalty in the first half. This is the only close or debatable decision. I've watched it several times and still cannot make my mind up. There was definitely no trip as they claim but possibly a clash of legs. The ref was right on top of it and none of their players appealed for it bar the one who went down (which suggests that he was looking for it).
3. The ball crossed the line for the goalmouth scramble in the second half. Yeah right - Is the goal line technology corrupt as well?
4. The ball went out when Snoddy ran with it, leading to the corner for Connor's goal. TV clearly shows that it didn't.
5. It wasn't a penalty - The most silly claim of all and deserves no explanation.
None of their players, staff or manager have complained about the ref, nor their media or press - The only people complaining are a bunch of head the balls on the internet.
I suppose they are salty about the NFL style hit that led to a penalty at the end too? It's almost like they don't know the rules to the game. I'm an American that's followed "soccer" for all of about a decade. I'm probably as ignorant as it comes, yet it seems I know more about the rules than their fans do. The ball has to completely cross a boundary line for it to count, it's not a foul if the defender gets to the ball first, and off-sides only applies to where he was before the pass was made. Do they not know this?
By the way, please correct me if I'm wrong. :D
I will. I know you put it in " ", however there is no excuse for using the term soccer.
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The only time they’ve had a good side in my 41 years, we had a better one. They can get fucked.
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I spoke to a Wednesday fan who was there this morning and he was moaning about the ref's apparent over-familiarity with Steve Bruce but did concede Villa were the better side in the 2nd half.
I hope you pointed out that the second half was 3-0 to villa?
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I spoke to a Wednesday fan who was there this morning and he was moaning about the ref's apparent over-familiarity with Steve Bruce but did concede Villa were the better side in the 2nd half.
I hope you pointed out that the second half was 3-0 to villa?
Just re-read your post. I obviously got it arse about face. Time for my nap.
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The only time they’ve had a good side in my 41 years, we had a better one. They can get fucked.
Ha ha ha ha. I like that. Fuck em!
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They are off again! (https://www.owlstalk.co.uk/forums/topic/269043-number-of-fouls-given-in-the-championship-on-saturday/)
I may write to the FA asking for some sort of fair play aware on our behalf.
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Someone should remind the significant number of them accusing the ref of being corrupt rather than just incompetent of the laws of defamation.
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Logic:" Some say he just got a touch on the ball but that does not matter, the laws of the game say you cannot tackle from behind even if you get the ball because you will almost always bring the man down too. Thats why big D went down."
As mostly it will be a foul, it is always a foul???
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Logic:" Some say he just got a touch on the ball but that does not matter, the laws of the game say you cannot tackle from behind even if you get the ball because you will almost always bring the man down too. Thats why big D went down."
As mostly it will be a foul, it is always a foul???
I'm waiting for the argument "It looked like a foul to me in real time so the ref should have given it even if I can now see it wasn't one."
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They are off again! (https://www.owlstalk.co.uk/forums/topic/269043-number-of-fouls-given-in-the-championship-on-saturday/)
Fuck me I thought pretty much all the London clubs were the worst losers out there. But step forward Sheffield Wednesday fans. Two days after their team lost by conceding no less than FOUR goals at home they are still saying the ref was "bunged" which is libelous, and an American football style block isn't a foul. John Terry clearly got the ball without fouling that big lump of theirs and there is an epidemic of Myopia around Hillsborough. There is absolutely NO WAY that ball was even close to going over the line. If they watch the bloody highlights without their blue tinted glasses on it might just stop them coming across as the biggest bunch of sore losers and complete knobheads that I've ever seen.
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Fact is they'd definitely have won if our players weren't better than theirs.
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Logic:" Some say he just got a touch on the ball but that does not matter, the laws of the game say you cannot tackle from behind even if you get the ball because you will almost always bring the man down too. Thats why big D went down."
As mostly it will be a foul, it is always a foul???
I'm waiting for the argument "It looked like a foul to me in real time so the ref should have given it even if I can now see it wasn't one."
It's like the old one about "If it wasn't a foul he's got to be booked for diving". Because no player, ever, has gone down accidently after a fair tackle.
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I've looked at their gripes:
1. Our first goal, they claim Snoddy wasn't fouled for the free kick that led to it. Yes he was - It clearly shows him being pulled back. They then claim that Terry was offside. No he wasn't, you see him running with the defender to his right in front of him (not sure if they know they you only become offside once the ball is played, not before)
2. They should have had a penalty in the first half. This is the only close or debatable decision. I've watched it several times and still cannot make my mind up. There was definitely no trip as they claim but possibly a clash of legs. The ref was right on top of it and none of their players appealed for it bar the one who went down (which suggests that he was looking for it).
3. The ball crossed the line for the goalmouth scramble in the second half. Yeah right - Is the goal line technology corrupt as well?
4. The ball went out when Snoddy ran with it, leading to the corner for Connor's goal. TV clearly shows that it didn't.
5. It wasn't a penalty - The most silly claim of all and deserves no explanation.
None of their players, staff or manager have complained about the ref, nor their media or press - The only people complaining are a bunch of head the balls on the internet.
I suppose they are salty about the NFL style hit that led to a penalty at the end too? It's almost like they don't know the rules to the game. I'm an American that's followed "soccer" for all of about a decade. I'm probably as ignorant as it comes, yet it seems I know more about the rules than their fans do. The ball has to completely cross a boundary line for it to count, it's not a foul if the defender gets to the ball first, and off-sides only applies to where he was before the pass was made. Do they not know this?
By the way, please correct me if I'm wrong. :D
I will. I know you put it in " ", however there is no excuse for using the term soccer.
I'm sure I read somewhere that it was us ( English & Scottish FA) that originally coined the the phrase "soccer" due to Rugby Football already being an established sport.
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Our penalty was blatant, quite why they think it wasn't is beyond me. The only argument i'd have if it had been against us is why was our player so fecking stupid to do that.
As for their endless banging on about Snodgrass diving and not liking him for calling Forestieri a diver is also bizarre considering this
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I've looked at their gripes:
1. Our first goal, they claim Snoddy wasn't fouled for the free kick that led to it. Yes he was - It clearly shows him being pulled back. They then claim that Terry was offside. No he wasn't, you see him running with the defender to his right in front of him (not sure if they know they you only become offside once the ball is played, not before)
2. They should have had a penalty in the first half. This is the only close or debatable decision. I've watched it several times and still cannot make my mind up. There was definitely no trip as they claim but possibly a clash of legs. The ref was right on top of it and none of their players appealed for it bar the one who went down (which suggests that he was looking for it).
3. The ball crossed the line for the goalmouth scramble in the second half. Yeah right - Is the goal line technology corrupt as well?
4. The ball went out when Snoddy ran with it, leading to the corner for Connor's goal. TV clearly shows that it didn't.
5. It wasn't a penalty - The most silly claim of all and deserves no explanation.
None of their players, staff or manager have complained about the ref, nor their media or press - The only people complaining are a bunch of head the balls on the internet.
I suppose they are salty about the NFL style hit that led to a penalty at the end too? It's almost like they don't know the rules to the game. I'm an American that's followed "soccer" for all of about a decade. I'm probably as ignorant as it comes, yet it seems I know more about the rules than their fans do. The ball has to completely cross a boundary line for it to count, it's not a foul if the defender gets to the ball first, and off-sides only applies to where he was before the pass was made. Do they not know this?
By the way, please correct me if I'm wrong. :D
Good attempt mate but it's never the boundary line. The length of the pitch is always referred to as the touch line. The ends are always the byline and between the goalposts is the goal line.No idea where these terms come from apart from the goal line. Maybe someone can explain that bit?
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I like the one who says "I've never written to the FA before" as if most fans skip fans websites, social media in general and national and local radio call ins and go straight to the FA with any complaints. Like a 'Points Of View' for football fans. Also, it was hardly a promotion or relegation six pointer. They should forget about us and worry about getting points off the clubs around them in the table.
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They were getting really wound up next to us in the lower tier left hand side. One guys face was so red I thought his head was going to explode. Quite funny seeing men in their 50's covering their faces with scarves, it was chilly though to be fair.
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They are off again! (https://www.owlstalk.co.uk/forums/topic/269043-number-of-fouls-given-in-the-championship-on-saturday/)
I may write to the FA asking for some sort of fair play aware on our behalf.
They're getting increasingly hatstand.
"I know it won't make any difference to the match result, but seriously, I think the club should be reporting all this to the FA, along with a full video of the game... why let this ref. get away with it? He's either bent or incompetent. Let the FA decide which and act accordingly."
If only there was a way that referees could be assessed on their performance in a match. Perhaps the barrage of nonsense from Wednesday fans will make the FA and the EFL introduce people to assess the referees. They could call them 'assessors' and they could write a report on the ref after the match.
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They are off again! (https://www.owlstalk.co.uk/forums/topic/269043-number-of-fouls-given-in-the-championship-on-saturday/)
I may write to the FA asking for some sort of fair play aware on our behalf.
They're getting increasingly hatstand.
"I know it won't make any difference to the match result, but seriously, I think the club should be reporting all this to the FA, along with a full video of the game... why let this ref. get away with it? He's either bent or incompetent. Let the FA decide which and act accordingly."
If only there was a way that referees could be assessed on their performance in a match. Perhaps the barrage of nonsense from Wednesday fans will make the FA and the EFL introduce people to assess the referees. They could call them 'assessors' and they could write a report on the ref after the match.
We paid the assessor off as well. And the FA. And Royal Mail so the letters won't get there anyway.
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I think that they're all coming around to accepting the fact that the refs decisions were correct. Their main focus now seems to be the fouls count. Imight buy the full highlights on TV and re-watch the match, being the saddo that I am with time on my hands. I'll count up any fouls they should have had.
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I think that they're all coming around to accepting the fact that the refs decisions were correct. Their main focus now seems to be the fouls count. Imight buy the full highlights on TV and re-watch the match, being the saddo that I am with time on my hands. I'll count up any fouls they should have had.
I wouldn't bother. I used to drink with a guy who liked to bet on the number of free kicks, corners and cards in a game. When he went to the bar or the bog he always delegated me as his official counter. Trust me, it is even less exciting than it sounds.
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Wednesday fans are generally decent in my experience (I lived there for 3 years as a student in the early 80s, though they were in Division 2 then)) and they are genuinely one of life's ill-fated clubs. One of my closest mates is an Owl so I get it from him and his brother just how painful life can be. He is 50 and in that time has seen one League cup win v Man U around 1991. Incidentally, he blames their manager for not making any substitutions on Saturday when we got back in the game, something nobody else has picked up on.
They are worse than us for messing things up. 2-0 up in a cup final around 1966 and lost 3-2 to Everton; lost both the League cup and FA cup to Arsenal in 1993, the latter in the last minute of extra time in the replay. They were leading 3-0 v Wolves in a penalty shoot out and somehow contrived to lose. If ever somebody asks me a question like "which team lost x or y despite leading 7-0 at half time" I always guess Wednesday.
Historically they are a big club but have done nothing to show it for decades. The closest they came was in the early 90s and Big Ron leaving for us screwed any chance of that being a platform for growth, although Tricky Trev steered that same team to top 6 finishes for a year or two.
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They were getting really wound up next to us in the lower tier left hand side. One guys face was so red I thought his head was going to explode. Quite funny seeing men in their 50's covering their faces with scarves, it was chilly though to be fair.
This again demonstrates what complete airheads they are. He stood in the area of the ground where the highest potential for trouble would break out was. Cameras would have been trained on this area for the entire game and especially towards the end when they all began acting tough with two walls, a fence and a line of police between them and the away fans.
For 89 minutes, his face would have been visible. Does he not realise that there is little point covering up after exposing yourself to cameras for an hour and a half?
I thought our fans in the Lower North were antagonistic but at least they don't go "masking up" and gesticulating to the other set of fans to go outside (something that everyone in the ground will ultimately do)
Now here's a teaser - What do you do on 90 minutes when offered to go outside? Tell your mates that you'll meet them back at the car because you're just nipping outside to have a straightener with a complete stranger or do you stay inside the ground and watch Snoddy score in the 93rd minute?
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I'm loving this.
It's a proper ego massage. But clubs and their big time players getting all the decisions boo hoo.
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This is the one thing I don't like about this league. I have found us being down here a breath of fresh air at times. Winning games and some proper competition. But I have had an absolute bellyful of piss ant clubs acting as though they have magically arrived at the same level as us just because we got mismanaged into the same league as them.
These are just the latest in a long line of them. It's like the carrot munching wasters from Bristol getting snotty because we took the piss when sticking five on them. Or their whining about not being able to understand why Kodjia might just prefer to play for us than them. Or Norwich confusing a couple of seasons in the top flight with them being some sort of footballing powerhouse.
Pointless, poxy, howling at the moon, peasants.
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They were getting really wound up next to us in the lower tier left hand side. One guys face was so red I thought his head was going to explode. Quite funny seeing men in their 50's covering their faces with scarves, it was chilly though to be fair.
I was sat right next to them at the front last year. There was one bloke in their section who must be the biggest dickhead I've seen in a football ground...I was surprised their stewards didn't chuck him out. Probably the same bloke.
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I've looked at their gripes:
1. Our first goal, they claim Snoddy wasn't fouled for the free kick that led to it. Yes he was - It clearly shows him being pulled back. They then claim that Terry was offside. No he wasn't, you see him running with the defender to his right in front of him (not sure if they know they you only become offside once the ball is played, not before)
2. They should have had a penalty in the first half. This is the only close or debatable decision. I've watched it several times and still cannot make my mind up. There was definitely no trip as they claim but possibly a clash of legs. The ref was right on top of it and none of their players appealed for it bar the one who went down (which suggests that he was looking for it).
3. The ball crossed the line for the goalmouth scramble in the second half. Yeah right - Is the goal line technology corrupt as well?
4. The ball went out when Snoddy ran with it, leading to the corner for Connor's goal. TV clearly shows that it didn't.
5. It wasn't a penalty - The most silly claim of all and deserves no explanation.
None of their players, staff or manager have complained about the ref, nor their media or press - The only people complaining are a bunch of head the balls on the internet.
I suppose they are salty about the NFL style hit that led to a penalty at the end too? It's almost like they don't know the rules to the game. I'm an American that's followed "soccer" for all of about a decade. I'm probably as ignorant as it comes, yet it seems I know more about the rules than their fans do. The ball has to completely cross a boundary line for it to count, it's not a foul if the defender gets to the ball first, and off-sides only applies to where he was before the pass was made. Do they not know this?
By the way, please correct me if I'm wrong. :D
I will. I know you put it in " ", however there is no excuse for using the term soccer.
I'm sure I read somewhere that it was us ( English & Scottish FA) that originally coined the the phrase "soccer" due to Rugby Football already being an established sport.
It's from the "association" bit of "association football".
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Bitter bitter bastards ;D
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All this talk about the number of fouls - somebody should point out to the gobshites that we only committed 5 in the match against SHA, a derby match against our most bitter rivals!
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Sheffield isn't real Yorkshire is it ? It's sort of North Derbyshire.
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Bitter bitter bastards ;D
Yeah I know. Fucking hilarious isn't it?
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It's not one of the ridings. Admittedly, I've never been 100% sure what that actually means.
Bitter bitter bastards ;D
Yeah I know. Fucking hilarious isn't it?
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Sorry, meant to quote this one.
Sheffield isn't real Yorkshire is it ? It's sort of North Derbyshire.
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It's not one of the ridings. Admittedly, I've never been 100% sure what that actually means.
Bitter bitter bastards ;D
Yeah I know. Fucking hilarious isn't it?
Riding means a third. East, West (where lives this exiled Brummie) and North. The South doesn't exist so we can ignore Sheffield.
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File along with Alan Brazil.
2-4. Three points. See you in the cups maybe! Tararabit!
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It's not one of the ridings. Admittedly, I've never been 100% sure what that actually means.
Bitter bitter bastards ;D
Yeah I know. Fucking hilarious isn't it?
Riding means a third. East, West (where lives this exiled Brummie) and North. The South doesn't exist so we can ignore Sheffield.
Can't they just say "bit" like fucking normal people?!
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It's not one of the ridings. Admittedly, I've never been 100% sure what that actually means.
Bitter bitter bastards ;D
Yeah I know. Fucking hilarious isn't it?
Riding means a third. East, West (where lives this exiled Brummie) and North. The South doesn't exist so we can ignore Sheffield.
Can't they just say "bit" like fucking normal people?!
And third's? Thirds? Who divides things up into thirds, FFS? Imbeciles.
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This is the one thing I don't like about this league. I have found us being down here a breath of fresh air at times. Winning games and some proper competition. But I have had an absolute bellyful of piss ant clubs acting as though they have magically arrived at the same level as us just because we got mismanaged into the same league as them.
These are just the latest in a long line of them. It's like the carrot munching wasters from Bristol getting snotty because we took the piss when sticking five on them. Or their whining about not being able to understand why Kodjia might just prefer to play for us than them. Or Norwich confusing a couple of seasons in the top flight with them being some sort of footballing powerhouse.
Pointless, poxy, howling at the moon, peasants.
Top rant.
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This is the one thing I don't like about this league. I have found us being down here a breath of fresh air at times. Winning games and some proper competition. But I have had an absolute bellyful of piss ant clubs acting as though they have magically arrived at the same level as us just because we got mismanaged into the same league as them.
These are just the latest in a long line of them. It's like the carrot munching wasters from Bristol getting snotty because we took the piss when sticking five on them. Or their whining about not being able to understand why Kodjia might just prefer to play for us than them. Or Norwich confusing a couple of seasons in the top flight with them being some sort of footballing powerhouse.
Pointless, poxy, howling at the moon, peasants.
Top rant.
Seconded
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Fuck 'em the grumpy old moaning Yorkshire bastards. If they think the Ref's was crooked we will play it again and they can pick the officials.
How about Dickie Bird ? A wealth of experience and he's local.
Then again he is a Barnsley fan so he might do them over too, so get David Blunkett (Wednesday fan?) to officiate and see if he can do any better.
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No - not David Blunkett
Unlike Sheffield Wednesday he knows how to hold onto a lead
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No - not David Blunkett
Unlike Sheffield Wednesday he knows how to hold onto a lead
Ouch!
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No - not David Blunkett
Unlike Sheffield Wednesday he knows how to hold onto a lead
👏
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No - not David Blunkett
Unlike Sheffield Wednesday he knows how to hold onto a lead
Fuckin' A!!
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Why are they writing to the FA and not EFL about the ref?
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Why are they writing to the FA and not EFL about the ref?
They're planning a late assault on the top 2 and are looking to get some of their defeats changed to wins.
On a tangent, does anyone remember the penalty they got at Barnsley a couple of weeks ago? It was the most disgusting, cheating dive that I've seen for a long time. I wonder if they'll be writing about that ref as well?
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Why are they writing to the FA and not EFL about the ref?
They have also written to their local MP, the Queen and the lead singer of Echo And The Bunnymen.
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Why are they writing to the FA and not EFL about the ref?
They have also written to their local MP, the Queen and the lead singer of Echo And The Bunnymen.
Dear Mr Echo.......
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It's not one of the ridings. Admittedly, I've never been 100% sure what that actually means.
Bitter bitter bastards ;D
Yeah I know. Fucking hilarious isn't it?
Riding means a third. East, West (where lives this exiled Brummie) and North. The South doesn't exist so we can ignore Sheffield.
Ah, except Sheffield was in the West Riding.
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Why are they writing to the FA and not EFL about the ref?
They have also written to their local MP, the Queen and the lead singer of Echo And The Bunnymen.
Dear Mr Echo.......
Brilliant. This made me laugh!
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Why are they writing to the FA and not EFL about the ref?
They have also written to their local MP, the Queen and the lead singer of Echo And The Bunnymen.
Heads will roll.
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This is the one thing I don't like about this league. I have found us being down here a breath of fresh air at times. Winning games and some proper competition. But I have had an absolute bellyful of piss ant clubs acting as though they have magically arrived at the same level as us just because we got mismanaged into the same league as them.
These are just the latest in a long line of them. It's like the carrot munching wasters from Bristol getting snotty because we took the piss when sticking five on them. Or their whining about not being able to understand why Kodjia might just prefer to play for us than them. Or Norwich confusing a couple of seasons in the top flight with them being some sort of footballing powerhouse.
Pointless, poxy, howling at the moon, peasants.
Top rant.
Seconded
Before even reached the second paragraph, in my head I was thinking "Yeah, just like fucking Norwich" Honestly, amazes me how they can even be arsed being uppity with us....
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The more of the f*ckers we upset, the better. Next up the Dingles and Colin's sheepshagging Wankers.
No one likes us......
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The more of the f*ckers we upset, the better. Next up the Dingles and Colin's sheepshagging Wankers.
No one likes us......
Sorry to appear dumb but who is Colin?
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Colin Wanker.
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but if there was a premier league just made up of the 20 biggest clubs in the country for me Sheff Wednesday would be in it as would Leeds
they are not Norwich or Bristol etc they are bigger than them
( anyone wondering what formula I used for ' biggest' it was just the one I have in my head for the last 50 years)
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The more of the f*ckers we upset, the better. Next up the Dingles and Colin's sheepshagging Wankers.
No one likes us......
Sorry to appear dumb but who is Colin?
Colin Wanker. An anagram of Neil Warnock.
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Sheff wed moaning about cheating. They were the biggest crooks of all time with swan, kay etc. No big fan of them
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The more of the f*ckers we upset, the better. Next up the Dingles and Colin's sheepshagging Wankers.
No one likes us......
Sorry to appear dumb but who is Colin?
Colin Wanker. An anagram of Neil Warnock.
Lineker actually called him ‘Colin’ on MOTD once.
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Can’t stand this team and that god awful England band. I am so glad we have never resorted to this to “create an atmosphere”.
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The more of the f*ckers we upset, the better. Next up the Dingles and Colin's sheepshagging Wankers.
No one likes us......
Sorry to appear dumb but who is Colin?
Colin Wanker. An anagram of Neil Warnock.
I always laughed the name Colin Wanker and joined in because I thought it was a very apt nickname to give the wanker. Now I know it's actually an anagram of his name it's even funnier. Whoever thought that up is a gold star fucking genius.
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The more of the f*ckers we upset, the better. Next up the Dingles and Colin's sheepshagging Wankers.
No one likes us......
Sorry to appear dumb but who is Colin?
Colin Wanker. An anagram of Neil Warnock.
I always laughed the name Colin Wanker and joined in because I thought it was a very apt nickname to give the wanker. Now I know it's actually an anagram of his name it's even funnier. Whoever thought that up is a gold star fucking genius.
I reckon even his mom and dad had a hunch, and went with it.
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The more of the f*ckers we upset, the better. Next up the Dingles and Colin's sheepshagging Wankers.
No one likes us......
Sorry to appear dumb but who is Colin?
Colin Wanker. An anagram of Neil Warnock.
I always laughed the name Colin Wanker and joined in because I thought it was a very apt nickname to give the wanker. Now I know it's actually an anagram of his name it's even funnier. Whoever thought that up is a gold star fucking genius.
I reckon even his mom and dad had a hunch, and went with it.
I'd like to think that's true.
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Lawro has just mentioned the foul ratio of 17/1 and he said can't quite believe that. That has been his most astute comment tonight. By the way Sheff Wed have been cheated upon by both goal posts for the Swansea goal.
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Lawro has just mentioned the foul ratio of 17/1 and he said can't quite believe that. That has been his most astute comment tonight. By the way Sheff Wed have been cheated upon by both goal posts for the Swansea goal.
They’ve got a remote controlled ball.
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Lawro has just mentioned the foul ratio of 17/1 and he said can't quite believe that. That has been his most astute comment tonight. By the way Sheff Wed have been cheated upon by both goal posts for the Swansea goal.
They’ve got a remote controlled ball.
Ha Ha, Brilliant! 8)
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Lawro has just mentioned the foul ratio of 17/1 and he said can't quite believe that. That has been his most astute comment tonight. By the way Sheff Wed have been cheated upon by both goal posts for the Swansea goal.
Was he referring to the Swansea game or our game on Saturday?
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Lawro was talking about our game. Said he had just been told of the fouls ratio. Didn't see any of it but said he found it hard to believe.
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It is pretty bizarre to only get one foul during 90 plus minutes. I never really noticed during the game, but then I was pissed to be honest.
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I still don't see how the thug that injured Hutton avoided a yellow card. Maybe the reason they conceded more fouls is because they are dirty bastards?
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I still don't see how the thug that injured Hutton avoided a yellow card. Maybe the reason they conceded more fouls is because they are dirty bastards?
I remember one of their twats getting away with countless iffy challenges during the first game of last season, can't remember his name as he was an absolute no mark other than his thuggery.
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We're the best-behaved side in the division, it's not all that improbable.
During this run in, players missing through injury is unfortunate. Players missing through suspension is avoidable. I hope we continue to be angelic.
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We're the best-behaved side in the division, it's not all that improbable.
During this run in, players missing through injury is unfortunate. Players missing through suspension is avoidable. I hope we continue to be angelic.
It helps that John lets the game flow as much as possible.
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Joking aside, what it really tells us is that we have a smart team again, not one that gets mugged off by the opposition and officials week in week out.
We've been a soft touch for far, far too long.
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Sure I read somewhere that we didn't receive one booking against Smallheath. If its true that some going for a derby
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John Terry would never book his teammates.
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Can’t stand this team and that god awful England band. I am so glad we have never resorted to this to “create an atmosphere”.
God yes, see also Huddersfield. Wankers with their fucking drums.
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The more of the f*ckers we upset, the better. Next up the Dingles and Colin's sheepshagging Wankers.
No one likes us......
Sorry to appear dumb but who is Colin?
Colin Wanker. An anagram of Neil Warnock.
I always laughed the name Colin Wanker and joined in because I thought it was a very apt nickname to give the wanker. Now I know it's actually an anagram of his name it's even funnier. Whoever thought that up is a gold star fucking genius.
I reckon even his mom and dad had a hunch, and went with it.
I'd like to think that's true.
He said recently that when he dies he doesn't want a minute's applause, but would like the fans to sing 'Warnock is a wanker', I'm sure all football fans would be happy to oblige.
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We would be happy to oblige. We'd probably all join in the singing as well...
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Why wait for his funeral when he can benefit from the spine tingling effect of a full VP singing it when Cardiff visit in a few weeks?
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I would rather not have a go at Neil Warnock.
I might need my feet doing one day.
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John Terry would never book his teammates.
If only that was not true.
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Can’t stand this team and that god awful England band. I am so glad we have never resorted to this to “create an atmosphere”.
God yes, see also Huddersfield. Wankers with their fucking drums.
You would have to be a hell of a drummer to wank and drum at the same time. Unless you bought a second him customized drum kit off of Rick Allen.
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John Terry would never book his teammates.
No, but he would their wives. Oh, sorry, you said BOOK.
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The referee must be absolutely abysmal today. They're all biased in favour of big clubs like Bristol City.
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owls robbed again today by west Country cooonts.
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Another bellend club I can't stand Brizzie City, along with Tango Wednesday (or ex-Wolves Tango Wednesday)
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I guess who you consider to be a big club partly depends on who was in the top flight when you first followed football, so for me Wednesday are a big club, so it was saddening to read their forum. I love that Hillsbrough and Villa Park used the host the FA Cup Semi Finals.
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Years down in the doldrums appears to have sent them all mental.
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I'm another one who considers Sheffield Wednesday to be a big club, based on my own intangible definition of big. Compare them to, say, Chelsea and Man City, pre their injections of dodgy overseas cash and Wednesday are up there for me. Probably biased by some great days at Hillsbrough with Villa.
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They are a big club. They've won 8 major trophies. About time their fans started acting the part.
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I've always thought of Wednesday as a big club who should really be in the top division.
I reckon our perception of clubs are mostly based on where they were when you started following football as a kid.
Both the Sheffield clubs are top division clubs, Brighton and Swansea are 3rd division. Barrow, Workington, Darlington, Bradford PA should all be in the 4th division.
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Both the Sheffield clubs are top division clubs, Brighton and Swansea are 3rd division. Barrow, Workington, Darlington, Bradford PA should all be in the 4th division.
Having to seek re-election most years.
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but back in the real world, both Brighton and Swansea are very much in the PL both winning well at the weekend.
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I'm another one who considers Sheffield Wednesday to be a big club, based on my own intangible definition of big. Compare them to, say, Chelsea and Man City, pre their injections of dodgy overseas cash and Wednesday are up there for me. Probably biased by some great days at Hillsbrough with Villa.
plus you’d probably never get through Foody’s front door again if you said otherwise!
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Both the Sheffield clubs are top division clubs, Brighton and Swansea are 3rd division. Barrow, Workington, Darlington, Bradford PA should all be in the 4th division.
Having to seek re-election most years.
The re-election system wasn't exactly fair. Gateshead despite not even finishing bottom and having only once previously having to apply were voted out in 1960. Compare that with Hartlepool and 14 successful re-elections. You do wonder how some clubs may have been able to keep favour better with their fellow members to maintain their league status.
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I'm another one who considers Sheffield Wednesday to be a big club, based on my own intangible definition of big. Compare them to, say, Chelsea and Man City, pre their injections of dodgy overseas cash and Wednesday are up there for me. Probably biased by some great days at Hillsbrough with Villa.
plus you’d probably never get through Foody’s front door again if you said otherwise!
yep, also he's promised to lend me his VW camper van this summer so I'm being nice to his team
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I've always thought of Wednesday as a big club who should really be in the top division.
I reckon our perception of clubs are mostly based on where they were when you started following football as a kid.
Both the Sheffield clubs are top division clubs, Brighton and Swansea are 3rd division. Barrow, Workington, Darlington, Bradford PA should all be in the 4th division.
Sheffield United don't belong in the top division. They aspire to it though.
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It’s a similar scenario with wolves and Albion being for the most part of history in our shadow, the two Sheffield clubs being in Leeds’ shadow. For what it’s worth I really don’t like Leeds but quite like both The Blades and the Owls.
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Sheffield United and Wednesday haven't spent most of their histories in Leeds' shadow. The idea that Leeds are a massive club is one of football's great myths.
Three League titles, one FA Cup, one League Cup. Even those were mostly won by cheating. Mickey Mouse.
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Sheffield United and Wednesday haven't spent most of their histories in Leeds' shadow. The idea that Leeds are a massive club is one of football's great myths.
Three League titles, one FA Cup, one League Cup. Even those were mostly WON BY CHEATING. Mickey Mouse.
As this piece from their former goalkeeper Gary Sprake suggests (besides the dodgy Revie it also has Jim Barron in it)
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When collecting football cards at primary school I always used to end up with about five Gary Sprakes. This was when he played for the Rags. Luckily, I went to school on Chelmsley Wood so they were easy to swap.
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When collecting football cards at primary school I always used to end up with about five Gary Sprakes. This was when he played for the Rags. Luckily, I went to school on Chelmsley Wood so they were easy to swap.
They paid a small fortune for him too (world record for a goal keeper at the time?) and he only played for them just over a dozen times. You did well getting rid of them.
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I have absolutely no recollection of Sprake ever playing for Blues. But I do recall getting loads of his football cards when he was at Leeds.
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When collecting football cards at primary school I always used to end up with about five Gary Sprakes. This was when he played for the Rags. Luckily, I went to school on Chelmsley Wood so they were easy to swap.
When I left school I did six months at a YTS training centre in Chelmsley Wood and Gary Sprake was one of the senior members of staff there. I would love to tell you I once saw him drop something but sadly that wouldn't be true.
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I might be thinking of Gary Pendrey though. They all look the same though, don't they?
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Sheffield United and Wednesday haven't spent most of their histories in Leeds' shadow. The idea that Leeds are a massive club is one of football's great myths.
Three League titles, one FA Cup, one League Cup. Even those were mostly WON BY CHEATING. Mickey Mouse.
As this piece from their former goalkeeper Gary Sprake suggests (besides the dodgy Revie it also has Jim Barron in it)
Good find. Interesting video, thanks.
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Sheffield United and Wednesday haven't spent most of their histories in Leeds' shadow. The idea that Leeds are a massive club is one of football's great myths.
Three League titles, one FA Cup, one League Cup. Even those were mostly WON BY CHEATING. Mickey Mouse.
As this piece from their former goalkeeper Gary Sprake suggests (besides the dodgy Revie it also has Jim Barron in it)
Good find. Interesting video, thanks.
You're most welcome. It supports your argument in spades ;-)
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Leeds are a big club, one of the biggest. Top 10 id say
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Top ten in Yorkshire.
Perhaps.
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Leeds had no significant history or success until Revie arrived in the 60s. He put together a bunch of cheating fouling bullying henchmen who fouled, spat, kicked and fought their way to some success with a series of mostly 1-0 and 0-0 results being followed by some of the most crass knuckle dragging troublemaking gobshite fans who took their cue from the anti football being served up on the pitch.
As much as I dislike Smethwick who have had their own fair share of career ending moments with opposition players, I still remember this game when Leeds had a particularly bad day at the office and their response which summed up perfectly just what a complete and utter shite football institution they are.
Dirty Leeds.
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Top ten in West Yorkshire.
Perhaps.
FTFY
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Sheffield United and Wednesday haven't spent most of their histories in Leeds' shadow. The idea that Leeds are a massive club is one of football's great myths.
Three League titles, one FA Cup, one League Cup. Even those were mostly WON BY CHEATING. Mickey Mouse.
As this piece from their former goalkeeper Gary Sprake suggests (besides the dodgy Revie it also has Jim Barron in it)
Good find. Interesting video, thanks.
You're most welcome. It supports your argument in spades ;-)
Dirty cheating Leeds. Now lets hope they beat the Dogheads tomorrow.
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Owls robbed again by a bunch of ryte cheating cooonts.
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Anyway, in spite of what I may have said above, I love Leeds. They're everyone's second team. Best of luck tonight lovely, clean, Leeds.
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Did anybody notice that we didn’t commit any fouls against Sheffield Wednesday last night. I’m writing a letter.
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Sheffield United and Wednesday haven't spent most of their histories in Leeds' shadow. The idea that Leeds are a massive club is one of football's great myths.
Three League titles, one FA Cup, one League Cup. Even those were mostly WON BY CHEATING. Mickey Mouse.
As this piece from their former goalkeeper Gary Sprake suggests (besides the dodgy Revie it also has Jim Barron in it)
Good find. Interesting video, thanks.
You're most welcome. It supports your argument in spades ;-)
Dirty cheating Leeds. Now lets hope they beat the Dogheads tomorrow.
That's shocking. Cheating scummy Leeds bastards. Who is Gary Sprague though?
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Gary Sprake was the goalkeeper for most of the 'Dirty Leeds' years.
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I remember winning a departmental footie match at the Rover one year and someone had brought Garry along to present the trophy!
Someone shouted out "Don't give it to Sprake, he'll drop it".
Cue uproarious laughter all round.