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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Mister E on February 21, 2018, 08:12:32 AM
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... what the hell is the question?
Your answers below, please; the more creative, the better.
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The question is why isn't Callum O'Hare anywhere near the first team squad?
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The question is why isn't Callum O'Hare anywhere near the first team squad?
I've seen a fair amount of under 23s football.
Callum is a great prospect but he's miles away from being ready.
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The question is why isn't Callum O'Hare anywhere near the first team squad?
I've seen a fair amount of under 23s football.
Callum is a great prospect but he's miles away from being ready.
He didn't look miles away when he played the occasional cup game.
I just think at times, take last night for instance he could provide a bit of impetus when we are looking flat.
We must have some agreement with the spuds regarding Onamah's game time. If we don't play him other clubs will probably be less likely to loan players out to us. From what i've seen so far he's a bit meh
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I’d like to see O’Hare on the bench
But I agree division 2 under 23 football is very low quality and inadequate preparation. He needs to go on loan
I think people are judging Onomah a lot more harshly than hourihane - they’re both out of form
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Hourihane has been underwhelming certainly. Onomah has just been plain poor though. Really, really poor. He clearly isn't 'ready' for this level, and he isn't our player, so why continue with him?
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I'd don't buy disinterested at all, in fact I find that sort of criticism to be witless largely.
The issue with Onomah is his decision making is poor both in moving the ball on, but crucially defensively. As has been said, he's been poor and his form has not improved. He's a holding player and has no business being in front of Jedinak or BB.
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Which player has a clause that says he has to play 75% of all games if fit, that is on loan at Villa?
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Onomah has played just over 50%,
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The question is why isn't Callum O'Hare anywhere near the first team squad?
I've seen a fair amount of under 23s football.
Callum is a great prospect but he's miles away from being ready.
so is Onomah and he is not our player neither
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what annoyed me about him last night at times when PNE went on attack he hardly busts a gut to get back just gently jogging .
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The question is why isn't Callum O'Hare anywhere near the first team squad?
I've seen a fair amount of under 23s football.
Callum is a great prospect but he's miles away from being ready.
so is Onomah and he is not our player neither
I didnt say Onomah was the answer.
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For me it is clear on the ball Onomah has bags of talent however he either lacks the conditioning to ever speed up his lumbering movement around pitch or he lacks the desire to get stuck into the game.
Tackling wise he is actually decent at nicking a ball from an opponent but he seems terrified or unwilling to actually put his body on the line in a challenge
Not convinced he is 100% committed to the cause of getting Villa promotion.
As for Hourihane, think he has been pretty average all season & is easily ungraded if we go up but he has that great knack of coming up with goals.
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The question is why isn't Callum O'Hare anywhere near the first team squad?
I've seen a fair amount of under 23s football.
Callum is a great prospect but he's miles away from being ready.
so is Onomah and he is not our player neither
I didnt say Onomah was the answer.
We both know hes not the answer
worrying times at the moment as our midfield looks so poor at the moment , does make me wonder what Lansburys done wrong , not saying hes the answer but he deserves a crack at least to see if he has a point to prove.
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The question is why isn't Callum O'Hare anywhere near the first team squad?
I've seen a fair amount of under 23s football.
Callum is a great prospect but he's miles away from being ready.
To be honest, he hasn't looked out of place on the occasions he has played for the first team.
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He looked OK at the start of the season but has tailed off badly. Re O'Hare, how will we ever know he's ready if he never gets a chance?
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The question is why isn't Callum O'Hare anywhere near the first team squad?
I've seen a fair amount of under 23s football.
Callum is a great prospect but he's miles away from being ready.
To be honest, he hasn't looked out of place on the occasions he has played for the first team.
and you do play better with better players around you . Its like anything in life , If you play with some brilliant musicians it makes you play better and gives you inspiration.
So this would probably happen to O'Hare
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The question is why isn't Callum O'Hare anywhere near the first team squad?
I've seen a fair amount of under 23s football.
Callum is a great prospect but he's miles away from being ready.
To be honest, he hasn't looked out of place on the occasions he has played for the first team.
Plus this is only the Championship not the Champions League, it’s a farce in this league to allow 7 subs on the bench & only one of them be eligible for u23s - how are players supposed to progress if they aren’t involved. Let’s not forget that Davis only got his chance because he was the last fit striker in the club for that Norwich game & he embraced it & took his chance, admittedly he has hardly played well since but is still involved.
O’Hare could easily have been left out of u23’s on Monday, bench last night and then play for u23’s on Thursday
With Jedinak, Bjarnasson & Tuanzebe in the side I really cannot see why you need a fourth DM on bench in Whelan.
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If Onomah is the answer the question has to be.....who is really picking our starting 11 and subs? Is it Bruce or is it the management at the likes of spurs? Loan players should come with no conditions attached. If they're good enough they play, if they're not then they should not be involved certainly at the expense of our own young players.
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Onomah is a complete waste of a shirt - why didn't we send him back in January? I'd put Lansbury in instead of him for Saturday.
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I agree with Des. Totally disinterested just recently. I bet he thought he’d lead us back up and be a hero. Instead, he’s way behind Grealish in terms of class.
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It's possible that we are also honouring something in our agreement with Spurs to play him x percentage of the time. Same would be with AT. In the end we are developing prospects from another club and we need to maintain those relationships which often means not being able to give our kids a chance.
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It's possible that we are also honouring something in our agreement with Spurs to play him x percentage of the time. Same would be with AT. In the end we are developing prospects from another club and we need to maintain those relationships which often means not being able to give our kids a chance.
This is it.
There is a risk that if we don't play a loanee, the loaning club are less likely to loan in the future and also word would get out, so other clubs then become reticent about loaning to us. So effectively it means you have to be good at identifying your targets in the first place.
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The question is why isn't Callum O'Hare anywhere near the first team squad?
I've seen a fair amount of under 23s football.
Callum is a great prospect but he's miles away from being ready.
To be honest, he hasn't looked out of place on the occasions he has played for the first team.
I thought he was poor against Peterborough and Middlesbrough in the cup matches.
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Walthamstow Avenue F.C. have put a bid in. - good news for football they are defunct He will end up the same way as the Moore brothers or the likes of Ivor Linton not really making it
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He's clearly in poor form, but I don't think he's a poor player. I think he's young and is going through a dip and any perceived lethargy can probably be attributed to a lack of confidence.
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He is disinterested and lacks concentration, movement, effort and desire. Other than that he is ok.
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More creative / amusing questions that have the answer "Onomah", please ...
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I've no doubt that there's definitely a good player in there. Not sure if his playing style helps sometimes (in a similar way to the criticism Jack used to get off fans - but we always knew that he was a good player) but I don't dispute his form has dipped considerably in his time with us and I'd personally much rather see O'Hare given an opportunity at present.
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He's a holding player and has no business being in front of Jedinak or BB.
Agree completely about him being a holding player which begs the question, since his arrival, why have we played him in every midfield position except the holding position and why are we surprised he's failed to deliver?
For you question, Dave, name the current Aston Villa squad member that has won both the European Championship (U17s) and the World Cup (U20s) as a holding midfield player?
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He's a holding player and has no business being in front of Jedinak or BB.
Agree completely about him being a holding player which begs the question, since his arrival, why have we played him in every midfield position except the holding position and why are we surprised he's failed to deliver?
And, as a holding player is he not too prone to giving the ball away and rash challenges?
For you question, Dave, name the current Aston Villa squad member that has won both the European Championship (U17s) and the World Cup (U20s) as a holding midfield player?
Ha, touché RCF. Not quite what I was expecting unless you're asking it with plenty of irony!
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I don't do irony, Dave.
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It's possible that we are also honouring something in our agreement with Spurs to play him x percentage of the time. Same would be with AT. In the end we are developing prospects from another club and we need to maintain those relationships which often means not being able to give our kids a chance.
This is it.
There is a risk that if we don't play a loanee, the loaning club are less likely to loan in the future and also word would get out, so other clubs then become reticent about loaning to us. So effectively it means you have to be good at identifying your targets in the first place.
He's played in lots of games. But his performances of late have been crap, so he should be dropped, whatever the agreement with his parent club is. I can't really believe that somebody like Pochettino would expect a player in poor form to be picked anyhow though. It's not something he'd do himself, so why expect it of another manager. Anyway, if we do somehow get promoted, I hope we'll get beyond having to rely on Spurs handouts for our players, anyway. I'm not sure how playing a player in a position that rather obviously isn't his natural position is helping to develop him anyway.
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the same could be said of the Yanited duo - far from dynamic .
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The correct Brummie pronunciation of his name is Ohnomom.
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Didn't Alex Ferguson stop loaning players to Newcastle because the loaned players weren't playing? Playing Onomah again last night was a mistake. Much like playing Thor anywhere apart from DM.
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He's fucking crap. I can't think of any way to put it more eloquently.
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Once Grealish is fit again I'd rather have him in the team than Hourihane. He's shown that there is a good player there when he first started with us. He seems to be a bit weighed down by the chip on his shoulder of late and needs to shift it.
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Onomahtopoeia
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Didn't Alex Ferguson stop loaning players to Newcastle because the loaned players weren't playing? Playing Onomah again last night was a mistake. Much like playing Thor anywhere apart from DM.
I'd be upset, nay, inconsolable if Spurs refused to loan us any players of Onomah's standard ever again!
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He's clearly in poor form, but I don't think he's a poor player. I think he's young and is going through a dip and any perceived lethargy can probably be attributed to a lack of confidence.
I totally agree, he’s a fine player in very poor form, there were many posts earlier in the season saying how lucky we were to have him.
Form is temporary etc, I think he’ll have a part to play in the run in.
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He started off brightly so I wondered if its as much a confidence thing as anything else .
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Don't entirely get the anti Onamah thing. He seems to me to have just lost his way and on Saturday he looked like a bright player being played in the wrong position. Confidence is huge. He was superb at QPR (for example). After that game told a mate who is a Spurs fan that they had a good one on their hands. Pochettino apparently rates him very highly and he is arguably a better manager than Steve Bruce.....
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He's been very average
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... what the hell is the question?
Your answers below, please; the more creative, the better.
If Onomah is the answer the question must be fucking stupid.
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His form seemed to drop the day after Spurs were claiming he had a great future with them. Up until then he looked the real deal.
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He's clearly in poor form, but I don't think he's a poor player. I think he's young and is going through a dip and any perceived lethargy can probably be attributed to a lack of confidence.
Completely agree with this. Yes, he's been poor recently, but he's also had some great games - QPR Away being the stand-out. Obviously talented, obviously out-of-form. I think he's suffered from not having a concerted run in the team in one position, also.
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He really doesn’t deserve that run though. He is behind championship players in the pecking order. I agree with him being out of form but I also think he probably thought it’d be easy here.
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The second half v PNE showed he has the best first touch of any Villa player after Jack. Currently being played out of position, a Bruce motif.
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He really doesn’t deserve that run though. He is behind championship players in the pecking order. I agree with him being out of form but I also think he probably thought it’d be easy here.
Based on what? Not solely aimed at you, but there’s this general tone from lots of people that he’s lazy, doesn’t care, thinks he’s above us and I genuinely have no idea how anyone is making that judgement.
Out of form yes, I’ll dispute the poor player argument as I’ve seen him play well but fair enough, but the question of his character just seems completely arbitrary.
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Bruce plays half of the midfielders he has in positions that are not preferred by the player.
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Bruce plays half of the midfielders he has in positions that are not preferred by the player.
Like who?
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Josh, Barney, Conor,
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Whelan,
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Josh, Barney, Conor,
Onomah has only played out of position in the last game and half. Barney has been shifted round in fairness and to be honest, I'm not sure where Conor played for Barnsley. It's really only been Hutton and Adomah who have played out of position on a long term basis.
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Just watched the Preston highlights
I defer to anyone at the game. But he looked a lot more involved than hourihane again
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Pochettino apparently rates him very highly and he is arguably a better manager than Steve Bruce.....
Arguably?
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Just watched the Preston highlights
I defer to anyone at the game. But he looked a lot more involved than hourihane again
Agree, Onomah wasn't that bad against Preston. He's still young with a lot to learn and is undoubtedly talented. Some people on here criticised Grealish in the same fashion....
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really? I wasn't even aware he was playing for the vast majority of the game. Total gash and offers nothing one of ours wouldn't.
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Watch the highlights...
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After a bright start yesterday he faded really badly but I’m not sure the ironic cheers as he went off helped no matter how right the decision was.
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I was at the game and he was at best anonymous. He doesn't look like he wants to be with us to be honest.
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He started well enough, but he is not a left-sided player and struggled to use what ball he got.
When he moved into deeper, more central role after about 20minutes, he was sloppy with the ball and - I thought - added to the growing pressure on our defence; which ultimately led to the SW second goal.
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He's poor and shouldn't be in the team.
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I think he's a decent player but at the moment maybe better coming off the bench.
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I seem to remember Snodgrass being accused by a few of not giving a shit back when he was struggling a couple of months ago. Fair enough to suggest that a player isn't playing well and therefore should be used less often if possible as seems to be the case with Onomah, but playing the lack of effort card is another leap.
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He's poor and shouldn't be in the team.
He definitely shouldn’t be playing left wing that’s for certain.
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the number of times all he had to do was cross the ball and he kind of wants to just push the ball a foot in front of him without knowing what to do next. As a footballer poor, probably a good athlete though
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I think he's a decent player but at the moment maybe better coming off the bench.
Not as easy to decide that if we're financially penalised by Spurs for not starting him.
Probably worth the risk of promotion without him featuring prominently than playing him just to save a couple of hundred thou you would have thought.
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Awful yesterday. But the absolutely moronic cheers when he got subbed were even more pathetic.
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I think he's a decent player but at the moment maybe better coming off the bench.
Not as easy to decide that if we're financially penalised by Spurs for not starting him.
Probably worth the risk of promotion without him featuring prominently than playing him just to save a couple of hundred thou you would have thought.
Why would we be financially penalised? We paid a loan fee for him. They can't fine us for not playing him.
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I think he's a decent player but at the moment maybe better coming off the bench.
Not as easy to decide that if we're financially penalised by Spurs for not starting him.
Probably worth the risk of promotion without him featuring prominently than playing him just to save a couple of hundred thou you would have thought.
Why would we be financially penalised? We paid a loan fee for him. They can't fine us for not playing him.
No, that sounds exceedingly unlikely. It’s more like there’s an unwritten agreement that he’ll play as much as possible and Bruce doesn’t want to upset Spurs.
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I think he's a decent player but at the moment maybe better coming off the bench.
Not as easy to decide that if we're financially penalised by Spurs for not starting him.
Probably worth the risk of promotion without him featuring prominently than playing him just to save a couple of hundred thou you would have thought.
Why would we be financially penalised? We paid a loan fee for him. They can't fine us for not playing him.
No, that sounds exceedingly unlikely. It’s more like there’s an unwritten agreement that he’ll play as much as possible and Bruce doesn’t want to upset Spurs.
Personally I would love it if we upset Spurs.
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I think he's a decent player, but unlike Snodgrass who seems thrive on pressure and adversity, Onomah wilts and fades if things aren't going well and loses all his confidence.
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I think he's a decent player, but unlike Snodgrass who seems thrive on pressure and adversity, Onomah wilts and fades if things aren't going well and loses all his confidence.
Which I suppose probably comes down to the extra 10 years of experience. I just can't see any justification for playing him. He's out of position, not in good form, and is keeping our own youngsters out of the squad.
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I think he's a decent player, but unlike Snodgrass who seems thrive on pressure and adversity, Onomah wilts and fades if things aren't going well and loses all his confidence.
He was started in a role that doesn’t suit him, on the left wing.
It’s when he moved further back and centrally that I concluded he is a bit of a liability;either because he is low on confidence or because he is just not very good.
I’m sure Ssssppppurrrrrrrs will get more out of him - perhaps they could try to do so this season rather than next!
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I think he has been next to useless for us however we will all be WTF mode when in 2023 Real Madrid pay £250,000,000 for him to break their transfer record.
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Agree, Onomah wasn't that bad against Preston. He's still young with a lot to learn and is undoubtedly talented. Some people on here criticised Grealish in the same fashion....
You're missing the point of a loan signing though, we were patient with Grealish and now we are reaping the rewards years later.
Loan signings are supposed to provide an instant impact, whats the point of being patient with Onomah when there are only 12 games to go, and they are all vital. There is absolutely no point in playing him to develop him as he wont be here after those 12 games. Poor performances in these 12 games is detrimental to our objective.
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Looking back, I can't help but think Onomah was signed to be a bit of a utility midfield player, capable of playing centrally, behind the striker, and out on the left. It obviously hasn't worked out that way, as playing further forward seems beyond him, at least at his current stage.
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Looking back, I can't help but think Onomah was signed to be a bit of a utility midfield player, capable of playing centrally, behind the striker, and out on the left. It obviously hasn't worked out that way, as playing further forward seems beyond him, at least at his current stage.
... playing further back seems beyond him, too.
As junx above says, the loan system should be about instant improvement in squad quality for the recipient-club and accelerated development of a talent for the loaning club. In this case, neither appears to have happened.
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Looking back, I can't help but think Onomah was signed to be a bit of a utility midfield player, capable of playing centrally, behind the striker, and out on the left. It obviously hasn't worked out that way, as playing further forward seems beyond him, at least at his current stage.
... playing further back seems beyond him, too.
As junx above says, the loan system should be about instant improvement in squad quality for the recipient-club and accelerated development of a talent for the loaning club. In this case, neither appears to have happened.
Who knows re Tottenham's end - perhaps a loan spell playing fairly constantly in the Championship, no matter if the performances were a mixed bag leaning towards the negative end of the scale, is better than getting a few minutes here and there at Spurs.
I mean, I honestly can't think of very many games where he's played back in midfield - it's almost always been Hourihane + one of Whelan/Jedinak/Bjarnason. Even if he did, I can't help but think his style (at least based off the U20 video, he looked like someone who's better when given freedom to drive forward with the ball to link up with the attackers) isn't really what Bruce wants either. So, yeah, the more and more time has gone by, the more ill-fitting the loan appears - I can only imagine that we didn't have too many options.
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I think he's a decent player but at the moment maybe better coming off the bench.
Not as easy to decide that if we're financially penalised by Spurs for not starting him.
Probably worth the risk of promotion without him featuring prominently than playing him just to save a couple of hundred thou you would have thought.
Why would we be financially penalised? We paid a loan fee for him. They can't fine us for not playing him.
No, that sounds exceedingly unlikely. It’s more like there’s an unwritten agreement that he’ll play as much as possible and Bruce doesn’t want to upset Spurs.
Personally I would love it if we upset Spurs.
If we dont go up this season we might be more and more reliant on the loan system in coming years.
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Looking back, I can't help but think Onomah was signed to be a bit of a utility midfield player, capable of playing centrally, behind the striker, and out on the left. It obviously hasn't worked out that way, as playing further forward seems beyond him, at least at his current stage.
... playing further back seems beyond him, too.
As junx above says, the loan system should be about instant improvement in squad quality for the recipient-club and accelerated development of a talent for the loaning club. In this case, neither appears to have happened.
Who knows re Tottenham's end - perhaps a loan spell playing fairly constantly in the Championship, no matter if the performances were a mixed bag leaning towards the negative end of the scale, is better than getting a few minutes here and there at Spurs.
I mean, I honestly can't think of very many games where he's played back in midfield - it's almost always been Hourihane + one of Whelan/Jedinak/Bjarnason. Even if he did, I can't help but think his style (at least based off the U20 video, he looked like someone who's better when given freedom to drive forward with the ball to link up with the attackers) isn't really what Bruce wants either. So, yeah, the more and more time has gone by, the more ill-fitting the loan appears - I can only imagine that we didn't have too many options.
From what I have seen of him so far, I think playing as one of the more advanced midfielders in 4-1-4-1 formation (basically where Hourihane and Grealish were playing before the latter got injured) would be his best role. He has spent most of his playing time since he has been here either in the 'number 10' role or on the left wing, neither of which suit him really.
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Looking back, I can't help but think Onomah was signed to be a bit of a utility midfield player, capable of playing centrally, behind the striker, and out on the left. It obviously hasn't worked out that way, as playing further forward seems beyond him, at least at his current stage.
... playing further back seems beyond him, too.
As junx above says, the loan system should be about instant improvement in squad quality for the recipient-club and accelerated development of a talent for the loaning club. In this case, neither appears to have happened.
Who knows re Tottenham's end - perhaps a loan spell playing fairly constantly in the Championship, no matter if the performances were a mixed bag leaning towards the negative end of the scale, is better than getting a few minutes here and there at Spurs.
I mean, I honestly can't think of very many games where he's played back in midfield - it's almost always been Hourihane + one of Whelan/Jedinak/Bjarnason. Even if he did, I can't help but think his style (at least based off the U20 video, he looked like someone who's better when given freedom to drive forward with the ball to link up with the attackers) isn't really what Bruce wants either. So, yeah, the more and more time has gone by, the more ill-fitting the loan appears - I can only imagine that we didn't have too many options.
From what I have seen of him so far, I think playing as one of the more advanced midfielders in 4-1-4-1 formation (basically where Hourihane and Grealish were playing before the latter got injured) would be his best role. He has spent most of his playing time since he has been here either in the 'number 10' role or on the left wing, neither of which suit him really.
I think even in that formation, a lot of what Grealish is doing is no. 10 type stuff which Onomah isn't capable of, and likewise, Hourihane maybe has marginally more freedom than he does compared to when playing in a flat midfield two.
It's just become all a bit square peg in a round hole for Onomah, but at this stage, it is what it is, and it doesn't necessarily mean he still can't make some positive contributions, perhaps providing some energy coming off the bench in situations where the usual gameplan has to be thrown out the window.
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The simple answer is NO.
Has anyone else had the thought that there maybe other hidden financial factors with our loan strategy and our improving losses?
Others have posted speculation that the deal with Spurs requires us to play Onomah. There is no way an experienced old fox like Brucie would have his hands tied on team selection, but what if Spurs pay us to give him game time? Carrying the odd loaner waste of space could be a good little earner...
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Maybe If you're Walsall or Blues.
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Unfortunately fully fit
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Only read this thread today and there's a few things that have come up a few times:
He's getting the same type of criticism as grealish and snodgrass. This is true but there's 2 things to remember, Snodgrass reacted to the criticism and has been superb ever since. Grealish on the other hand took longer but we're now seeing his true quality. Some people (including Bruce today) seem to think that his age means he deserves encouragement after poor performances because he's still learning. I agree with the sentiment but I couldn't give a shit if he's going to be a good player for spurs in 2 years time, if he's poor for us, as a loanee, then he should be taken out of the team until he earns another chance, there's no room for sentiment, he isn't our player and isn't going to be so we get no benefit for the learning curve he's on right now, we just get what he provides week after week, and that's not good enough currently.
He's played out of position/hasn't. I'll happily put my neck on the line and say he will never make it as a premier league attacking midfielder, he is totally unsuited to it. I think he can make it as a box-to-box player but we haven't given him any game time as that, he should be competing with Hourihane for the more traditional role in our midfield ahead of thor/jedi/whelan sitting deep and behind jack/angela/o'hare as a '10'. Just like Houri I'd trust Onomah to pick up goals by arriving late into the box from deeper and coming on to the ball.
I don't think he's shit or disinterested, I think he just can't get into the game because he's being asked to do something that doesn't come naturally for him.
If Tottenham or any other club, is shallow enough to not loan players to us any more because we drop a guy who's out of form then we should politely tel lthem to fuck themselves, they get as much out of this loan deal as we do and we shouldn't be risking our promotion to keep them sweet, that's the sort of fawning I'd expect from a club like Burton who are punching well above their weight, not a club that plans to be competing with the Tottenhams in a couple of years.
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Has been pretty rubbish in every position we have tried him in, and seems to have zero work ethic. I would hope the club are considering ending the loan early to save on his wages at this stage as he clearly has nothing to offer.
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Has been pretty rubbish in every position we have tried him in, and seems to have zero work ethic. I would hope the club are considering ending the loan early to save on his wages at this stage as he clearly has nothing to offer.
I would provide a taxi for his trip back to north west London right now. Seen better technical players on Sunday pitches. If he wasn’t such an athlete would have nothing
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Completely disagree. I think he’s in poor form and some people of rounded on him based on a perceived notion of laziness. He demonstrably can play well, just look earlier in the season.
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Completely disagree. I think he’s in poor form and some people of rounded on him based on a perceived notion of laziness. He demonstrably can play well, just look earlier in the season.
I agree on the last bit, I just don't think we should be giving him the game time to work through it, that's not what a loan deal is for, especially when he's being played ahead of 2-3 people who will still be here come June.
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Completely disagree. I think he’s in poor form and some people of rounded on him based on a perceived notion of laziness. He demonstrably can play well, just look earlier in the season.
I agree on the last bit, I just don't think we should be giving him the game time to work through it, that's not what a loan deal is for, especially when he's being played ahead of 2-3 people who will still be here come June.
Agreed Ohare should have Been given some game time by now,