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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Bad English on February 20, 2018, 09:39:04 PM
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Oh well! Play-offs it is then.
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Selection did us, prepare for the play offs.
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Not good enough. Our last two results have come because we’ve been too conservative. I know Jack and Albert are injured, but fucking hell. Bruce can never shake his bloody lack of adventure when his back is against the wall.
Johnstone needs to learn how to deal with corners.
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‘Do you want to bet against us?’
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‘Do you want to bet against us?’
Yes, frankly.
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It's how Bruce will approach the play off games that worries me.
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I don’t want to, but I’d have to.
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A point gained given that terrible line-up....we'd have never scored without the penalty, I'll take that all thing considered.
Need to stop fucking about now though, put Kodjia in next match and fuck that shit Hogan off. He can't be far off if he's kicking basket balls about.
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Tough game. Shit performance. A point.
Disappointing but a point I don't think we deserved.
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‘Do you want to bet against us?’
Yes, frankly.
"With the fans' 110% and my usual barmy selections I'm sure we'll make the play-offs"
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Luckily the automatic spots aren't decided in February.
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Is that the Kodjia with that long-term injury?
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A point gained given that terrible line-up....we'd have never scored without the penalty, I'll take that all thing considered.
Need to stop fucking about now though, put Kodjia in next match and fuck that shit Hogan off.
News flash: you didn't score, you lost 5-0.
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Bruce can’t help himself.
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I will use my 30,000th post to say "Fuck me that was depressing!"
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Luckily the automatic spots aren't decided in February.
Well no but picking up 1 point from 6 against the teams around you isn’t going to help.
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Bjarnason showing how good Grealish has been in that role recently. The number of times he received the ball 30 yards from goal, turned into trouble and lost possession cheaply. Grealish is a big miss for us.
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Is that the Kodjia with that long-term injury?
He has started training.
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O'Hare must be really shit if Onomah gets in the side ahead of him
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I will use my 30,000th post to say "Fuck me that was depressing!"
Chapeau!
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Preston and their time wasting. Poor showing in that respect.
Bruce seemed to want the point, and got it. Oh for a bit of adventure. Grabban and Davis looked decent together, but Onomah and Hogan looked poor I thought. Birkir runs around alot, but if he plays, he should do so in the only position he's effective in.
If he's going to play, Tuanzebe should be in the position Jedinak was in tonight.
Overall, not overly disappointed with the point as Preston are decent, but we need more from the potato.
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I thought a run of goals gave strikers confidence, Hogan was absolutely dreadful. 50p head and trapping the ball twenty yards. Booooo.
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O'Hare must be really shit if Onomah gets in the side ahead of him
He played last night.
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Oh well. Wasn’t expecting 6 points from the last 2 games but we should have got 3 or 4.
Need Jack back ASAP. Him and Grab together could be useful. And I think Davis will come good.
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Cannot see where the goals are coming from without Grealish and Adomah in the team. Needed a very dodgy penalty decision to get a very undeserved point.
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Bjarnason showing how good Grealish has been in that role recently. The number of times he received the ball 30 yards from goal, turned into trouble and lost possession cheaply. Grealish is a big miss for us.
I shudder anytime he plays a more forward role because he just doesn’t have anything in his locker. As a holding player he’s decent but nothing more than that.
We’re desperate for Adomah and Grealish to get back. We look a totally different team with them in it.
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Hogan is all about the type of service he receives. If we hoof it he won't score.
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The only positive thing I can say about that is we didn’t lose (last year we would have) and Sunderland are doomed and our little result two weeks ago has returned Scum back to their losing ways. So it’s not all bad 😁
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So the team that looked poor v Fulham, starts tonight & guess what it looked poor again. Lewis Grabban should have started as he offers more as the lone striker, but bloody hell, that was poor, two very flat games, I’m worried
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I will use my 30,000th post to say "Fuck me that was depressing!"
Chapeau!
Happily frittering away my life on H&V for yonks now...
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The fact that it takes a kid from our academy and someone we swapped for Traore to make such a difference for us is scary given how much we’ve spent on the rest of this squad. We literally look toothless without them.
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I will use my 30,000th post to say "Fuck me that was depressing!"
Congratulations
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A point gained given that terrible line-up....we'd have never scored without the penalty, I'll take that all thing considered.
Need to stop fucking about now though, put Kodjia in next match and fuck that shit Hogan off.
News flash: you didn't score, you lost 5-0.
*childishly chuckles
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Bjarnason showing how good Grealish has been in that role recently. The number of times he received the ball 30 yards from goal, turned into trouble and lost possession cheaply. Grealish is a big miss for us.
A number of times he failed to controll the ball in attacking positions and lost the ball
That midfield selection was awful.
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I think, considering the circumstances, that's a decent point. Plenty of football yet to be played.
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The only positive thing I can say about that is we didn’t lose (last year we would have) and Sunderland are doomed and our little result two weeks ago has returned Scum back to their losing ways. So it’s not all bad 😁
1 defeat in 8, glass half full.....
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So, this is our wobble then? It was always going to happen. 2 games we can cope with so not over reacting yet.
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Messy - unstructured - poor.
Looked like someone scraped 11 players and started organizing during play. Lost the ball easy, scrappy play. Special mentions to Onomah and BB - 1 for being disinterested (why does he get picked ahead of others - body language signals there is something in contract how many games he has to play) and BB for losing the ball to easily, especially when option to create space.
Keinan suddenly couldn’t win headers - some poor passing.
Pretty “meh” performance at best. Play offs is what we can expect.
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Bjarnason looked poor because he is poor.
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Bjarnason looked poor because he is poor.
This
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The fact that it takes a kid from our academy and someone we swapped for Traore to make such a difference for us is scary given how much we’ve spent on the rest of this squad. We literally look toothless without them.
This. Someone said one man team earlier. The fact that the one man is not a Bruce player and has come bang into form halfway through the season by pure luck speaks volumes about what Bruce adds and the breathtaking wastefulness of our recent transfers.
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Yes we had out two best performers out injured but for Bruce to start with that line up is a disgrace anyone could see there were no goals in it. What is wrong with the guy that every time he has to make a change he goes ultra conservative. If I were one of the younger players pressing to get a game I would be looking for another club because while he still has a journeyman to call on you won't be getting a game.
Only Davis has had a run and that was because he virtually was forced in to it.
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Bruce seemed to want the point, and got it.
I've never seen anyone say "Bruce seemed to want the 3-0 funeralling" to be honest.
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That was absolutely shit. Dreadful stuff.
4 points off 2nd by this time tomorrow night.
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Bjarnason looked poor because he is poor.
With a first touch of a wheelie bin.
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Need to win the next one...
Stat from BBC website: "Wednesday now have one win in their last nine in the league"
You know what happens next...
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A point gained given that terrible line-up....we'd have never scored without the penalty, I'll take that all thing considered.
Need to stop fucking about now though, put Kodjia in next match and fuck that shit Hogan off.
News flash: you didn't score, you lost 5-0.
You snitched on yourself you twat.
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O'Hare must be really shit if Onomah gets in the side ahead of him
He played last night.
And scored. Man of the match according to the Mail (make of their player ratings what you will).
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Grealish
Adomah
Kodjia
Now Snodgrass injured
We won't make the play offs with the shit we have to put out.
Absolutely fucking wank.
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A point gained given that terrible line-up....we'd have never scored without the penalty, I'll take that all thing considered.
Need to stop fucking about now though, put Kodjia in next match and fuck that shit Hogan off.
News flash: you didn't score, you lost 5-0.
He's gone.
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Bjarnason looked poor because he is poor.
With a first touch of a wheelie bin.
Hahaha! Well at least that made me laugh.
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Onomah. Absolute dirge and doesn't look arsed. Not saying our kids are world beaters but are they any worse than him? O'Hare can't do any worse surely?
There is zero creativity in that midfield without Grealish. We look average and like a mid table side.
Davis, he isn't a goalscorer. He's a handful but he doesn't score goals.
Grabban has to start Saturday.
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A point gained given that terrible line-up....we'd have never scored without the penalty, I'll take that all thing considered.
Need to stop fucking about now though, put Kodjia in next match and fuck that shit Hogan off.
News flash: you didn't score, you lost 5-0.
He's gone.
Typical.
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Grealish
Adomah
Kodjia
Now Snodgrass injured
We won't make the play offs with the shit we have to put out.
Absolutely fucking wank.
Are you being serious or joking? Can’t work out whether I need to point out we’ve not long won 7 games in a row.
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If Jack is even half fit then he has to play. Hell if Adomah has one good hamstring then he should probably start too
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I'm deadly serious. The shit we have left won't create a fucking button from open play. We're cooked without our best players and likely done for a generation.
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Grealish
Adomah
Kodjia
Now Snodgrass injured
We won't make the play offs with the shit we have to put out.
Absolutely fucking wank.
Are you being serious or joking? Can’t work out whether I need to point out we’ve not long won 7 games in a row.
We won 7 on the trot with those players playing. He's saying without them we're wank, which we are. We looked like a mid table team tonight and were outplayed by Preston. We scored with a dodgy penalty and didn't look like scoring from open play. You're not going to create anything with a midfield of Bjarnason, Jedinak and Onomah.
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Point of order. Kodjia did fuck all during those seven wins.
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Grealish
Adomah
Kodjia
Now Snodgrass injured
We won't make the play offs with the shit we have to put out.
Absolutely fucking wank.
Are you being serious or joking? Can’t work out whether I need to point out we’ve not long won 7 games in a row.
We won 7 on the trot with those players playing. He's saying without them we're wank, which we are. We looked like a mid table team tonight and were outplayed by Preston. We scored with a dodgy penalty and didn't look like scoring from open play. You're not going to create anything with a midfield of Bjarnason, Jedinak and Onomah.
Fuckin hell its not all over yet you know.
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Grealish
Adomah
Kodjia
Now Snodgrass injured
We won't make the play offs with the shit we have to put out.
Absolutely fucking wank.
Are you being serious or joking? Can’t work out whether I need to point out we’ve not long won 7 games in a row.
We won 7 on the trot with those players playing. He's saying without them we're wank, which we are. We looked like a mid table team tonight and were outplayed by Preston. We scored with a dodgy penalty and didn't look like scoring from open play. You're not going to create anything with a midfield of Bjarnason, Jedinak and Onomah.
Agreed.
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I'm.going directly into hysterical mode. No, make that hysterifickle mode.
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Onomah. Absolute dirge and doesn't look arsed. Not saying our kids are world beaters but are they any worse than him? O'Hare can't do any worse surely?
There is zero creativity in that midfield without Grealish. We look average and like a mid table side.
Davis, he isn't a goalscorer. He's a handful but he doesn't score goals.
Grabban has to start Saturday.
If Grealish is out might be better off pairing Grabban and Davis, dropping Hogan and going direct.
I'm not a Lansbury fan, lazy as sin imo, but Hourihane has been struggling for quite a while, the odd goal aside.
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It is. We've got nothing, absolutely nothing.
How are we going to score at Wednesday? What's our plan? Absolutely fucking desperate. That was the reaction to Fulham, be even worse.
The inability to keep the ball, pass, move, cross. It was eye bleedingly bad. But that's the best we can put out.
We're not going to get 9 more wins out of 13. 2nd has gone. If we're still in the top 6 come May I will be surprised as I cannot see us scoring a goal a game let alone enough to actually continue to challenge.
We're done. And what comes next season is the oblivion of a financial reality. Fuck off Villa you useless ******.
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I don’t understand why Bruce plays Bjarnason in such a forward role, he offers next to nothing. I had a bad feeling about it as soon as I saw the team (just like the Fulham game). We desperately need to get our attacking players fit again.
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I didn’t see the game, but I did score 5 (five) goals tonight at 5 aside. Just thought you’d all want to know.
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I didn’t see the game, but I did score 5 (five) goals tonight at 5 aside. Just thought you’d all want to know.
I bet O'Hare set up 4 of them...
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I didn’t see the game, but I did score 5 (five) goals tonight at 5 aside. Just thought you’d all want to know.
I bet O'Hare set up 4 of them...
Fucking Onomah didn’t.
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Not panicking yet but Bruce has to realise that we have players that just cannot do the job and give youth a chance. What is the point of extending contracts for these kids and never play them when you get the chance. I would give Grabban a run now he has a point to prove.
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I didn’t see the game, but I did score 5 (five) goals tonight at 5 aside. Just thought you’d all want to know.
If you're playing against five year old children, they don't count!!
What the eff was our keeper doing for their goal!
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I agree on Onomah too - he looks slow and uninterested whenever I see him play.
I can't believe we couldn't have found one of the kids with a bit of pace to play tonight.
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Highlights (http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/11259758/aston-villa-1-1-preston)
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I didn’t see the game, but I did score 5 (five) goals tonight at 5 aside. Just thought you’d all want to know.
Are you Brentford in disguise?
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Thor, he can only play the defensive role and at least he can pass.
You could have taken the entire midfield off tonight and I don't think you'd notice.
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It's really not ideal that we seem completely and utterly reliant on Grealish to do even the basics of attacking play, let alone the moments of brilliance that produce goals.
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Grealish and Adomah not expected to be fit for Saturday according to WM. Fuck sake.
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Don’t worry folks Bruce still has Whelan up his sleeve.
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Don’t worry folks Bruce still has Whelan up his sleeve.
Hope he stays there, then.
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We have to go to Wednesday and set up positively and start on the front foot. They're shit and an early goal will see them crumble and their fans on their backs. If we go and set up not to lose it will be piss poor from Bruce. Get O'Hare in the squad, Grabban and Hogan up top, fuck Onomah back to Spurs, Bjarnason back to defensive midfielder where he actually offers something.
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A very disappointing but probably fair result.
The damage was done in the first half with an atrocious starting line up and ultra negative approach.
Better second half.
Preston did though seen so much stronger than our lot and won nearly all the 50-50 ‘s.
Thor is far too lightweight to play in this division.
And, as for Onamah, he really needs to be sent back to Spurs.
Right at the death he challenged for a ball and both he and the opponent went to ground. The ball broke free 3 yards in front of him and instead of getting to his feet and starting an attack, he just fucking lay there, watching and waiting for the ref to blow, which wasn’t going to happen.
That tells you everything about his ‘desire’......he appears to lack any.
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I hope the manager, coaching staff and players manage to keep their heads and not go into meltdown over two dropped points.
Unlike a number of posters on here. Anyone would think we had just lost to a similar scoreline as Small Heath have from the hysterical reaction of some. Keep calm and keep the faith. This is no time for 'bottlers' on or off the pitch.
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Highlights (http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/11259758/aston-villa-1-1-preston)
That penalty decision seemed scandalous
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At HT i'd have snatched anyone's hand off if offered a point. We were very poor, and upped it to nearly mediocre in the second. Only saw it at the game but thought it was a penalty, although they don't seem to be given very often but it's a foul anywhere else on the pitch. I've said before that my worry with Bruce is that we'll have another 4+ winless run as it seems to happen to most his teams a few times a season, but another one will do for us getting 2nd.
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Highlights (http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/11259758/aston-villa-1-1-preston)
That penalty decision seemed scandalous
No, it was a pen 100%.
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“That’s what The Championship is.”
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Damo, I am disappointed and think we may have blown 2nd, that’s really not acceptable, yes we went on a good run, but the start of the season catches us up. Poor tonight & flat v Fulham.
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Highlights (http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/11259758/aston-villa-1-1-preston)
That penalty decision seemed scandalous
No, it was a pen 100%.
The player jumped into Davis in the penalty area, which was pretty stupid.
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At that angle in the highlights you can't see how much he ignores the ball and just jumped into KD.
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To me that's a point gained.
We were poor after the first ten minutes, PNE were pretty decent and I've said most of the season they'll nick sixth.
Never a penalty, even the Holte didn't seem that hopeful.
We desperately need Albert and Jack back.
7 points really needed from the next three games.
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We have to be braver, but I dont think Bruce has it in him.
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He picked a bad team for the second game running
We simply have to:
- get more pace in the side
- get more creativity in the side
- drop hourihane and probably Onomah
- play Bjarnason deeper
- play a target man whilst grealish is out
- give Jedinak a rest
It just seems really obvious to me
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I could understand the team at Fulham but yeah tonight picking so few attacking players for a home game we need to get back on track in didn't really make sense.
Grabban on the right....really?
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To me that's a point gained.
We were poor after the first ten minutes, PNE were pretty decent and I've said most of the season they'll nick sixth.
Never a penalty, even the Holte didn't seem that hopeful.
We desperately need Albert and Jack back.
7 points really needed from the next three games.
It will be a point gained if Derby and Cardiff lose tomorrow. That won't happen. We could be 4 points behind a bang average Cardiff side tomorrow night.
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He picked a bad team for the second game running
We simply have to:
- get more pace in the side
- get more creativity in the side
- drop hourihane and probably Onomah
- play Bjarnason deeper
- play a target man whilst grealish is out
- give Jedinak a rest
It just seems really obvious to me
He has the squad to do all of that and more.
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I can't say I was overly impressed with the line up or the performance although we did look a bit more confident after we got the goal. Not seen the pen back yet but I didnt think it was at the time. I'm just glad we got a point out of the game.
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To me that's a point gained.
We were poor after the first ten minutes, PNE were pretty decent and I've said most of the season they'll nick sixth.
Never a penalty, even the Holte didn't seem that hopeful.
We desperately need Albert and Jack back.
7 points really needed from the next three games.
It will be a point gained if Derby and Cardiff lose tomorrow. That won't happen. We could be 4 points behind a bang average Cardiff side tomorrow night.
It's a point gained simply due to a very average performance for 70 minutes. Yes we'll have to see what the others do but we should've lost tonight so could've been even worse.
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From the highlights we looked the better team ..
Regardless the problem we have is with Grealish / Adomah and Kodjia out we suddenly look devoid of creativity ..how is it we have 4 players who can play RB 4 players who can play DM but no one to play at 10 if Grealish is out ?
Lansbury seemingly is just making up the numbers on the bench so why is O'Hare not there ? I look at the our midfielders and I don't see any of them able to really dictate play they are all tidy enough but don't control games as we are now seeing.
Bruce and his staff really need to look at the 2 games we have played and come up with something more attacking for our next games.
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Shit selection choices, shit tactics, shit result? I'm surprised
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I think, considering the circumstances, that's a decent point. Plenty of football yet to be played.
I agree with this. As shit as we were in the first half, we did fairly well to get back into the game in second and could possibly have nicked it at the end. The confidence will definitely be higher after a 1-1 from behind, can take positives going into the weekend. It's only February, there's still a huge amount of points left to play for. We were missing our three best attacking midfielders this evening and it showed - as it would with any team. Get them back + maybe a late cameo from Kodj for the run in and I'd still back us.
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Preston really put the willies up us so a point is as much as we deserved. Can you see us beating at least two of Wulfs/Cardiff/Derby/Leeds at home? I dunno.
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Preston really put the willies up us so a point is as much as we deserved. Can you see us beating at least two of Wulfs/Cardiff/Derby/Leeds at home? I dunno.
Playing how we did tonight and Saturday? None of them. The Wolves game won't be pretty, I think they'll run us ragged.
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Bjarnason showing how good Grealish has been in that role recently. The number of times he received the ball 30 yards from goal, turned into trouble and lost possession cheaply. Grealish is a big miss for us.
Thought Bjarni was good first half, hit an excellent long range shot and was finding space well. Second half he started losing the ball and crowd were on his back. Far from our worst player though.
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It is. We've got nothing, absolutely nothing.
How are we going to score at Wednesday? What's our plan? Absolutely fucking desperate. That was the reaction to Fulham, be even worse.
The inability to keep the ball, pass, move, cross. It was eye bleedingly bad. But that's the best we can put out.
We're not going to get 9 more wins out of 13. 2nd has gone. If we're still in the top 6 come May I will be surprised as I cannot see us scoring a goal a game let alone enough to actually continue to challenge.
We're done. And what comes next season is the oblivion of a financial reality. Fuck off Villa you useless c***s.
Haha has a PNE fan on the M6 nicked Ads login or something..
Adomah and Jack will be back soon so all is not lost.
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Grealish and Adomah not expected to be fit for Saturday according to WM. Fuck sake.
Keeping Adomah on just to score v SHA looks like it's going to hurt us in the long run.
How did Grealish get his injury, he looked fine walking off so assume he picked it up in training?
Can see Saturday being another horrible draw.
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Bruce was a lucky man tonight. That performance was utter pish - PNE will be wondering how the hell they didn’t win. How quickly our recent confidence has disappeared.
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It is. We've got nothing, absolutely nothing.
How are we going to score at Wednesday? What's our plan? Absolutely fucking desperate. That was the reaction to Fulham, be even worse.
The inability to keep the ball, pass, move, cross. It was eye bleedingly bad. But that's the best we can put out.
We're not going to get 9 more wins out of 13. 2nd has gone. If we're still in the top 6 come May I will be surprised as I cannot see us scoring a goal a game let alone enough to actually continue to challenge.
We're done. And what comes next season is the oblivion of a financial reality. Fuck off Villa you useless c***s.
Haha has a PNE fan on the M6 nicked Ads login or something..
maybe Fan not a Bluenose nicked his laptop.
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Due to varying personal issues tonight was my first trip to B6 this season - Christ we are still poor to watch - as soon as the team was announced you could predict the type of game we were going to watch - to be honest Preston can consider themselves unlucky not to have grabbed all 3 points.
I thought we had moved on from hoof ball - evidently not.
Johnstone is a flapper at corners - and his kicking is shocking- get rid
Automatic promotion? I very much doubt it -
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Awful, negative starting line up compounded by playing players out of position - Bjarnason wide left, Hourihane right midfield, Onomah in a world of his own - and just one up front at home to Preston in the first half. Ironically he brought two forwards on at half time but with no winger on the pitch (presumably Snodgrass went off injured). To be fair we looked more positive and Grabban was very busy. Comedy officiating gifted us a penalty and we could/should have nicked all three points at the end and that really would have been daylight/evening robbery.
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Grealish and Adomah out for another week at least? Hahaha well fuck us then I guess.
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I will use my 30,000th post to say "Fuck me that was depressing!"
That’s lot of posts for a teenager.
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I will use my 30,000th post to say "Fuck me that was depressing!"
That’s lot of posts for a teenager.
Not one with broadband and unlimited toast, though.
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Well the next training session needs to major on passing and crossing that’s for sure.
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Preston have taken on the personality of Alex Neil.
He whinges more than Elise Christie
Other thoughts...,
Hourihane looked like he’d completely forgotten how to play football
Jedi still can’t pass or direct a header
Why is Yoko anywhere near the match day squad?
Disappointed with Axel. First time I’ve seen him play and based on reports, I was expecting a lot more pace
Alan, Chester, Scotty, Grabban, Bjarney all did ok
Terry poor in first half (especially passing) but better in second
Johnstone’s kicking isn’t great but he’s Lionel Messi compared to Guzan
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Point of order. Kodjia did fuck all during those seven wins.
Sometimes not doing anything is an effective action so Kodjia helped by not being in the team.
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M6 is as wank as our midfield.
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Went for a couple of drinks after the game so only just got back in. Really disappointing performance and quite fortunate to get a draw seeing as that was never a penalty. That said, they didn't create all that much with Johnstone making a poor mistake for their goal and we could have nicked it at the end with Davis missing a sitter. Thought they were a lot sharper all over the pitch tonight though and seemed to win most of the second balls.
I agree with the comments about the formation and don't think it is going to work with Hogan up front if Grealish is not in the side. We lacked any paced going forward and Bjarnason and Onomah look horribly out of position out wide. I thought those two, along with Jedinak and Hourihane looked so lethargic tonight and we looked a shadow of the side we have been in recent weeks when Grealish has played in there.
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He picked a bad team for the second game running
We simply have to:
- get more pace in the side
- get more creativity in the side
- drop hourihane and probably Onomah
- play Bjarnason deeper
- play a target man whilst grealish is out
- give Jedinak a rest
It just seems really obvious to me
Where is the pace though Matt? We really don't have many wide options at all and that is why Bjarnason and Onomah keep getting shoved out there. I agree about Hogan not being able to play when Grealish is not in the side, as we don't have a midfielder who can bridge that gap between midfield and the striker like he can.
It just looked horribly disjointed tonight with players playing out of position and on the wrong side.
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Can we stop this “that was never a penalty” nonsense. It was and rightly it was given.
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Taunzebe is a good player but not a fullback.
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Maybe someone has answered this already and I didn’t notice in the game, but why didn’t Terry have his number 26 on his back?
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Maybe someone has answered this already and I didn’t notice in the game, but why didn’t Terry have his number 26 on his back?
He had it ripped from his back in the first few minutes
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Maybe someone has answered this already and I didn’t notice in the game, but why didn’t Terry have his number 26 on his back?
He had it ripped from his back in the first few minutes
ah ok cheers. Seems odd that it couldn't have been fixed or another shirt brought out to him.
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I thought it was a penalty, admittedly a soft one, but nevertheless still a penalty.
The defenders were silly boys.
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Preston have taken on the personality of Alex Neil.
He whinges more than Elise Christie
Other thoughts...,
Hourihane looked like he’d completely forgotten how to play football
Jedi still can’t pass or direct a header
Why is Yoko anywhere near the match day squad?
Disappointed with Axel. First time I’ve seen him play and based on reports, I was expecting a lot more pace
Alan, Chester, Scotty, Grabban, Bjarney all did ok
Terry poor in first half (especially passing) but better in second
Johnstone’s kicking isn’t great but he’s Lionel Messi compared to Guzan
This sums up a lot of my thoughts.
The midfield was so pedestrian and poor in the first half but picked up a bit with the changes at half time.
Someone near us suggested JT was listening in to Chelsea in the CL as his concentration seemed lacking, and he did make some very poor errors; also we looked vulnerable again at corners.
I thought Axel did well on Saturday, but he was well off the pace in the second half and gave away far too much space.
I'd probably have taken a draw at half time, but on reflection, we did create the much better chances and they weren't ones presented to us, unlike most of theirs.
Neil slated the Wolves players on Saturday for going down easily, but they were at it much of the time, especially Darnell Fisher, who flung himself to the floor or fouled at every opportunity.
However, Neil did have a rant at Barkhuizen for staying down at the end. Was it the Villa fitness coach who laid into Barkhuizen at the final whistle?
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Maybe someone has answered this already and I didn’t notice in the game, but why didn’t Terry have his number 26 on his back?
He had it ripped from his back in the first few minutes
ah ok cheers. Seems odd that it couldn't have been fixed or another shirt brought out to him.
Seems odder that it was ripped in the penalty area without having someone holding onto it.
Unless of course it's as a result of spontaneous ripping
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How comically bad was that referee :-) he didn’t even give the pen until lino flagged. Then he booked one of them for dissent and ran off while number 3 kept up the protest to said lino instead of dealing with him in same way.
Booked Bjarnasson for a cynical foul 30 seconds after not booking one of theirs for the same offence.
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How comically bad was that referee :-) he didn’t even give the pen until lino flagged. Then he booked one of them for dissent and ran off while number 3 kept up the protest to said lino instead of dealing with him in same way.
Booked Bjarnasson for a cynical foul 30 seconds after not booking one of theirs for the same offence.
We should be grateful to the officials tonight. Very poor decision for the penalty earned us a completely undeserved point. No way we would have scored a goal otherwise,
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Just back in after a lovely drive home. After we got the penalty which looked generous from the North Stand I thought we might snatch it at the death but I stated at half time I'd take a point the way we were playing. As others have stated I'm really not impressed with Onamah..a passenger who offered little. I was surprised he kept him on instead of Hourihane at Half Time. I thought Grabban looked lively and id start him at the weekend.
For Alex Neil to moan about cheating foreigners at the weekend is laughable after watching his team tonight. PNE were constantly whining the whole game especially the little t××ser wearing NO 4 trying to get players booked at every opportunity. Horrible side.
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Just back in after a lovely drive home. After we got the penalty which looked generous from the North Stand I thought we might snatch it at the death but I stated at half time I'd take a point the way we were playing. As others have stated I'm really not impressed with Onamah..a passenger who offered little. I was surprised he kept him on instead of Hourihane at Half Time. I thought Grabban looked lively and id start him at the weekend.
For Alex Neil to moan about cheating foreigners at the weekend is laughable after watching his team tonight. PNE were constantly whining the whole game especially the little t××ser wearing NO 4 trying to get players booked at every opportunity. Horrible side.
Yes, the number 4 is Ben Pearson. He was a little fucker when we lost up there last season, and scored their first I believe. Came from Man Utd, so no surprise that he's a bit of a cu next Tuesday.
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Having played as poorly as we did that's a decent point, must improve for Saturday.
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Maybe someone has answered this already and I didn’t notice in the game, but why didn’t Terry have his number 26 on his back?
He had it ripped from his back in the first few minutes
ah ok cheers. Seems odd that it couldn't have been fixed or another shirt brought out to him.
Have you seen how much they charge for 'flocking'?
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Having played as poorly as we did that's a decent point, must improve for Saturday.
That is one way of looking at it. We had our top scorer and in form midfielder out, lost Snodgrass at half time so ended up with no wingers, didnt play that well and we still managed to pick up a point. It's a point we might look back on at the end of the season and be glad we got.
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Seems Snodgrass was sick yesterday so could be fit for Saturday.
Dread to think how tedious it could get on the weekend if we have Onomah, BB and Jedinak all stinking out the midfield.
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We were poor in the first first half, too slow and predictable against a very physical side that flooded the midfield. On top of that a bizarre refereeing display allowed them to waste time at will and he fell for the play acting throughout the game. After 55 minutes I said to my son I would take the point but we did rouse ourselves with a more direct approach unsettling them and with a little composure could have won it although a draw was probably fair overall.
Grabban has probably earned a start for his second half, Davis showed willing but lacked the technique when it mattered and Hutton at lest tried to take the game to them but apart from that forgettable performances all round.
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Think it has to be 442 with Grabben and Hogan, Elmo as one wide option then BB as the only defensive midfielder. Who the other two are depends on fitness.
I'd prefer O'Hare and Lansbury to the others at the moment.
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That was one of the worst home performances I have seen for some time - probably since Sheffield Wednesday. It is not losing to Fulham that will cost us, it's he timid home draws. We have to be bolder now in our team selections until our best players are able to return. Onomah is a shockingly bad player in a C & B shirt and Tuanzebe isn't a right back. Bree would have been better last night. Hourihane needs hooking for a while as he's been anonymous (apart from the odd goal) for a while and whilst there probably is no immediate alternative, Johnstone is average at best. Cost us a goal again last night and his kicking, whilst not Guzan-esque awful is awful. I had a great view of the penalty from the lower Holte and it was night time robbery. PNE were a bunch of conniving shits but deserved the spoils. A point won rather than three lost but it's the draws that will kill us. Here's hoping for better things from Saturday.
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Disappointing performance. Uninspired by the inclusion of Onomah in starting 11. Even more uninspired when I saw how he and BB lined up. It didn't work against mighty Peterborough in the 2nd half of that game and it didn't work last night. It's worrying that Bruce still doesn't know what to do with those 2 players as evidenced by his half time positional swap of them. Jedinak is suited to some games, last night wasn't one of them. He can't head or pass to a Villa player. I didn't see Axel vs Fulham, but against pne he didn't look any better than players we already have at RB. Definitely a point gained last night. Moving forwards if BB is to play it has to be as DM. In the absence of Grealish it has to be O Hare and not Onomah if we are to keep the same shape. This also might mean changing Hogan for Grabban if only to provide the presence that Hogan alongside O Hare may lack. Adomah's position especially in the absence of Green is the hardest to fill. That's what Bruce gets paid for. I'd be interested to know when Green got injured again because I'm wondering if we missed a trick in the transfer window by not covering that position.
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Disappointed.
Felt like I was watching Aston Villa from the 2016/17 season so to get anything from it was a bonus. Without Jack and Albert we don’t even look like a Play off contender and that’s a worry.
I thought Hutton had won it at the end. If that had gone in then the roof would have come off!!
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I will use my 30,000th post to say "Fuck me that was depressing!"
The game or your posts? :)
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We were awful within 20 minutes I thought bruce has to change this, but - No. preston were unlucky and were did they find that Callum Robinson, he ripped us apart. we knew before the game O'Hare at best was going to only be on the bench, as he'd played 80 minutes the night before, but to not include him at all.
some one said previously "if" we get promoted , then Xia has to say thank you to Mr Bruce and goodbye, well yes his reading of the game isn't good. we were lucky last night.
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Alex Neill's Farage comment about the Wolves made the penalty seem like a bit of cosmic justice, as Preston were diving, time wasting, rolling about and being general snides all game. The fact is, it was a foul, you don't often see them given and it appears to have enraged a silly little xenophobe.
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I was wondering if the auto correct is still in place? Oh well c*** (edit - not as I expected it :-X )
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For Saturday I would go with
Johnstone
Elmo, Chester, Terry, Hutton
B.B
Snodgrass. Lansbury. Hourihane. O’Hare
Grabban
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Hutton showed again that he'll always put a shift in.
It can only get better.... can't it?
Should Grabben start on Saturday?
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Hutton showed again that he'll always put a shift in.
It can only get better.... can't it?
Should Grabben start on Saturday?
Yes
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What a shower of weasels they were about the penalty as well. Fucking foreign bastards.
What's that? They're English. Oh.
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What a shower of weasels they were about the penalty as well. Fucking foreign bastards.
What's that? They're English. Oh.
I'm very much liking your work concerning the use of shower as the collective noun for Weasels. Bravo Sir!
ps It sounds like you poor sods witnessed a dire 'display' by Villa last night. I can't say I'm especially surprised - since we'd be lucky to attain mid-table anonymity without Jack & Albert's telling contribution(s). The sooner we get them back: the sooner we get the automatic promotion push back on track. The Wendy's will be rubbing their mitts at the prospect of taking on us at the the moment... ::)
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Just back in after a lovely drive home. After we got the penalty which looked generous from the North Stand I thought we might snatch it at the death but I stated at half time I'd take a point the way we were playing. As others have stated I'm really not impressed with Onamah..a passenger who offered little. I was surprised he kept him on instead of Hourihane at Half Time. I thought Grabban looked lively and id start him at the weekend.
For Alex Neil to moan about cheating foreigners at the weekend is laughable after watching his team tonight. PNE were constantly whining the whole game especially the little t××ser wearing NO 4 trying to get players booked at every opportunity. Horrible side.
Yes, the number 4 is Ben Pearson. He was a little fucker when we lost up there last season, and scored their first I believe. Came from Man Utd, so no surprise that he's a bit of a cu next Tuesday.
Good player but very niggly, in your face type of midfielder. Reminds me of a poor man's Lee Hendrie.
Their RB Fisher had a massive strop when he didn't get a free kick first half aswell, thought he was going to get himself sent off.
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He picked a bad team for the second game running
We simply have to:
- get more pace in the side
- get more creativity in the side
- drop hourihane and probably Onomah
- play Bjarnason deeper
- play a target man whilst grealish is out
- give Jedinak a rest
It just seems really obvious to me
He has the squad to do all of that and more.
He may have the squad, but he hasn't got the tactical nous to make the changes. I fully expect the same team v Wednesday if Grealish and Adomah are unfit. His only change may be to bring in Whelan for Thor. Sorry but I've gone into SB tactics mode!!
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How comically bad was that referee :-) he didn’t even give the pen until lino flagged. Then he booked one of them for dissent and ran off while number 3 kept up the protest to said lino instead of dealing with him in same way.
Booked Bjarnasson for a cynical foul 30 seconds after not booking one of theirs for the same offence.
We should be grateful to the officials tonight. Very poor decision for the penalty earned us a completely undeserved point. No way we would have scored a goal otherwise,
They got lucky as we should of had a free kick on the edge of their box but the ref failed to see it to the disgust of all of us in P8 who were right on top of play. They broke and got the corner that they scored from. Some of the Refs at VP have been poor and against Burton when we should of got a Pen to make it 3-0, moments later it was 2-1.
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M6 is as wank as our midfield.
The omnibus number 7 from Livery Street is as wank as our midfield as well.
Waiting 20 minutes with around 100 other benighted souls, many of whom were screaming sprogs only for a single decker with a broken ticket machine to pull in. Fuck the Birmingham public transport system. Fuck it with a giant fucking dildo.
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Quicker to walk to the A34. Better choice of buses available.
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He picked a bad team for the second game running
We simply have to:
- get more pace in the side
- get more creativity in the side
- drop hourihane and probably Onomah
- play Bjarnason deeper
- play a target man whilst grealish is out
- give Jedinak a rest
It just seems really obvious to me
He has the squad to do all of that and more.
He may have the squad, but he hasn't got the tactical nous to make the changes. I fully expect the same team v Wednesday if Grealish and Adomah are unfit. His only change may be to bring in Whelan for Thor. Sorry but I've gone into SB tactics mode!!
No particularly aimed at you Eddie but can I just get this straight as I am a little unclear how it woks. Is it, if we win all the credit goe to Steve Agnew but if we don’t all the blame goes to Steve Bruce?
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How comically bad was that referee :-) he didn’t even give the pen until lino flagged. Then he booked one of them for dissent and ran off while number 3 kept up the protest to said lino instead of dealing with him in same way.
Booked Bjarnasson for a cynical foul 30 seconds after not booking one of theirs for the same offence.
We should be grateful to the officials tonight. Very poor decision for the penalty earned us a completely undeserved point. No way we would have scored a goal otherwise,
They got lucky as we should of had a free kick on the edge of their box but the ref failed to see it to the disgust of all of us in P8 who were right on top of play. They broke and got the corner that they scored from. Some of the Refs at VP have been poor and against Burton when we should of got a Pen to make it 3-0, moments later it was 2-1.
Got the corner which shouldn’t have been. Came of their bloke last. Still poor keeping from corner though.
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He picked a bad team for the second game running
We simply have to:
- get more pace in the side
- get more creativity in the side
- drop hourihane and probably Onomah
- play Bjarnason deeper
- play a target man whilst grealish is out
- give Jedinak a rest
It just seems really obvious to me
He has the squad to do all of that and more.
He may have the squad, but he hasn't got the tactical nous to make the changes. I fully expect the same team v Wednesday if Grealish and Adomah are unfit. His only change may be to bring in Whelan for Thor. Sorry but I've gone into SB tactics mode!!
No particularly aimed at you Eddie but can I just get this straight as I am a little unclear how it woks. Is it, if we win all the credit goe to Steve Agnew but if we don’t all the blame goes to Steve Bruce?
Regardless, let's hope that from here we go on a bit of a spring roll...
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Can we stop this “that was never a penalty” nonsense. It was and rightly it was given.
I was right at the front in L5 and everybody around us were falling over in fits of laughter when the penalty was given. That twat that got booked for dissent had a pair of wobbling breasts. That ref was an obnoxious little toerag and I have seen more meat on a butcher's pencil. Hogan was approximately half the size of the fucker marking him in all physical dimensions.
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He picked a bad team for the second game running
We simply have to:
- get more pace in the side
- get more creativity in the side
- drop hourihane and probably Onomah
- play Bjarnason deeper
- play a target man whilst grealish is out
- give Jedinak a rest
It just seems really obvious to me
He has the squad to do all of that and more.
He may have the squad, but he hasn't got the tactical nous to make the changes. I fully expect the same team v Wednesday if Grealish and Adomah are unfit. His only change may be to bring in Whelan for Thor. Sorry but I've gone into SB tactics mode!!
No particularly aimed at you Eddie but can I just get this straight as I am a little unclear how it woks. Is it, if we win all the credit goe to Steve Agnew but if we don’t all the blame goes to Steve Bruce?
The Manager is Steve Bruce.
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He picked a bad team for the second game running
We simply have to:
- get more pace in the side
- get more creativity in the side
- drop hourihane and probably Onomah
- play Bjarnason deeper
- play a target man whilst grealish is out
- give Jedinak a rest
It just seems really obvious to me
He has the squad to do all of that and more.
He may have the squad, but he hasn't got the tactical nous to make the changes. I fully expect the same team v Wednesday if Grealish and Adomah are unfit. His only change may be to bring in Whelan for Thor. Sorry but I've gone into SB tactics mode!!
No particularly aimed at you Eddie but can I just get this straight as I am a little unclear how it woks. Is it, if we win all the credit goe to Steve Agnew but if we don’t all the blame goes to Steve Bruce?
The Manager is Steve Bruce.
He was also the manager when we won 7 on the trot which put us second.
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Highlights (http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/11259758/aston-villa-1-1-preston)
That penalty decision seemed scandalous
It was a definite foul therefore a pen. You can't just use your body to push someone out of the way like that unless it's shoulder to shoulder. Their goal was a defensive/ goalkeeping horror show for the second game running. Wtf is happening to Johnston?
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Highlights (http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/11259758/aston-villa-1-1-preston)
That penalty decision seemed scandalous
Really? A forward going for the ball in the area gets barged over by a rushing in defender who's only intent was to stop him. How is that scandalous?
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He picked a bad team for the second game running
We simply have to:
- get more pace in the side
- get more creativity in the side
- drop hourihane and probably Onomah
- play Bjarnason deeper
- play a target man whilst grealish is out
- give Jedinak a rest
It just seems really obvious to me
He has the squad to do all of that and more.
He may have the squad, but he hasn't got the tactical nous to make the changes. I fully expect the same team v Wednesday if Grealish and Adomah are unfit. His only change may be to bring in Whelan for Thor. Sorry but I've gone into SB tactics mode!!
No particularly aimed at you Eddie but can I just get this straight as I am a little unclear how it woks. Is it, if we win all the credit goe to Steve Agnew but if we don’t all the blame goes to Steve Bruce?
The Manager is Steve Bruce.
He was also the manager when we won 7 on the trot which put us second.
Correct.
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Johnson - another poor decision cost us a goal - terribly indecisive on high balls
Hutton - Did well as usual but his pace covers up a lot of poor positional errors
Terry - rare below average game - would have cleared off line if not clattered by keeper
Chester - pretty sound as usual
Alex - Started ok but was concerned how he tired 2nd half
Jedinak - He was equal in shitness as he was greatness against the dog shit - against any pace in an opposition and he just becomes part of a back 5 and we then have limited midfield options to play out to. Best role is to come on when we want to close the game off or unless the opposition have some big unit in there.
Onomah - He has played almost everywhere bar in goal and I cannot see where his natural position is nor what his key attributes are. Such promise not being lived up
to.
Hourihane - totally ineffective to the point he looked lost. Shooting aside another "hyped" player who cannot live up to expectation. I sau often look how many times he receives the ball facing the wrong way - its astonishing.
Snodgrass - looked off the pace and the injury sealed him being rightly pulled
Bjarnassen - Thought he was lively in first half but he is not Jack and it showed - Saturday hopefully will see him back in Holding Mid where he should have been against Fulham.
Hogan - starved of any ball unless 10ft in the air and when he did get it no one within 20 ft of him so it was lost. very poor header 2nd half.
Subs:
Elmo - unnoticeable
Grabban - really thought he looked bright and opened them up - big balls for pen
Davis - very raw and cumbersome but gives us an option when came on - obviously won the (deffo) pen
Bruce
Reverted to default setting of caution first - we have a decent set of players that can come in if played in the right way - I fear as now have 1 point out of 6 he will again be defensive on Saturday and that is where 2nd will start to slip away
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I will use my 30,000th post to say "Fuck me that was depressing!"
The game or your posts? :)
I like it.
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Highlights (http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/11259758/aston-villa-1-1-preston)
That penalty decision seemed scandalous
Really? A forward going for the ball in the area gets barged over by a rushing in defender who's only intent was to stop him. How is that scandalous?
It's not. It was a foul in the penalty area which is a penalty. Simple as that really
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It was a penalty, Davis was shoved in the air which made it look a bit theatrical but if he'd had feet on the ground he would have still been barged over. Very clumsy defending and fairly unnecessary.
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Is the pitch as difficult as Bruce making out?
Gave goal away softly but penalty was put away well.
I think Grabban will be in next time with Hogan.
As best Preston away perhaps the 4 points from 2 matches isn't so bad just the other way round.
I agree about having more pace and creativity in side maybe a more simple but varied 2 up top and 2 wide players.
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It's the type of challenge that's a foul every time anywhere else on the pitch but is rarely given as a penalty, we conceded a freekick later in the half for a very similar challenge.
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The pitch seemed to suit Preston fine. The pitch at Fulham was perfect and we were garbage. It's an excuse. We went direct because he panicked and resorted to sticking as many strikers on as possible and hope for the best.
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I asked a similar question regarding Bruce and Agnew recently. Think we know the answer Chris (Smith, I’m not speaking to myself, or maybe I am).
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It's the type of challenge that's a foul every time anywhere else on the pitch but is rarely given as a penalty, we conceded a freekick later in the half for a very similar challenge.
Ah, that old debate - when is a foul not a foul. The answer being never
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It's the type of challenge that's a foul every time anywhere else on the pitch but is rarely given as a penalty, we conceded a freekick later in the half for a very similar challenge.
Ah, that old debate - when is a foul not a foul. The answer being never
I think the clue is in the name
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It's one of those though that you can't believe if it's given against you.
Imagine it's the play off final and 0-0 on the 90th minute and we get a penalty awarded against us for an incident like that.
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I didn't think it was a pen at the match but, after watching the highlights, it was. Preston are a horrible, cynical moaning team. Remind me of the old Bolton team, pity their fans having to watch that every week.
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I didn't think it was a pen at the match but, after watching the highlights, it was. Preston are a horrible, cynical moaning team. Remind me of the old Bolton team, pity their fans having to watch that every week.
Bizarrely, I was the opposite; I was sat in the Trinity during the game and it was a certain penalty for me. However, having seen the tv footage I can see why certain people think that it was soft!
Agree about Preston though. They were time wasting with 10 minutes to go until half-time!