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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: kippaxvilla2 on January 23, 2018, 12:50:15 PM

Title: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 23, 2018, 12:50:15 PM
According to Mr Percy of the Telegraph we are closing in on a loan deal for this fella.

I watched some of his clips on youtube and he looks a seriously good talent - got a lot of pace and always seems to be in the right place at the right time.  Assuming he signs I have no idea where he will play however.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe
Post by: exigo on January 23, 2018, 12:56:39 PM
Man U fan at work reckons he's the real deal. Fingers crossed he can do it at a wet Wednesday in Sheffield.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe
Post by: Holte L2 on January 23, 2018, 01:03:56 PM
Man U fan at work reckons he's the real deal. Fingers crossed he can do it at a wet Wednesday in Sheffield.

Or a Wet Tuesday..............
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe
Post by: Hookeysmith on January 23, 2018, 01:04:14 PM
I know nothing about him or even his best position

He must be here to play as what is the point in having him or United letting him go on loan other than to get game time. Even if we sell Elphick he is not going to be a bench warmer behind Terry and Chester is he?

Surely Bruce is not about to change a winning formula to go 352 again?
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on January 23, 2018, 01:06:26 PM
I know nothing about him or even his best position

He must be here to play as what is the point in having him or United letting him go on loan other than to get game time. Even if we sell Elphick he is not going to be a bench warmer behind Terry and Chester is he?

Surely Bruce is not about to change a winning formula to go 352 again?
Or maybe it's loan with option to buy in the summer!
Saving on the outlay this season.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on January 23, 2018, 01:13:16 PM
I know nothing about him or even his best position

He must be here to play as what is the point in having him or United letting him go on loan other than to get game time. Even if we sell Elphick he is not going to be a bench warmer behind Terry and Chester is he?

Surely Bruce is not about to change a winning formula to go 352 again?

Hope not, the team and formation need leaving well alone barring injury or loss of form at the moment.

You can't drop Terry or Chester. Not sure you should be dropping Barney either on current form, or dropping Jedinak down the pecking order. We certainly don't need to dropping Elmo either. Weird one if not cover for Terry and Chester and Elphick leaving.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe
Post by: Risso on January 23, 2018, 01:15:59 PM
Look like a central defender/right back from the Youtube video.  The new Micah Richards?
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe
Post by: ozzjim on January 23, 2018, 01:18:03 PM
Cover for Elphick leaving and De Leat leaving while giving another option for defensive mid. Not really needed but if Elphick goes becomes a must.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe
Post by: cdbullyweefan on January 23, 2018, 01:32:02 PM
Welcome. Two for one deal with Johnson in the Summer if he turns out to be good!
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 23, 2018, 01:32:15 PM
I would expect he will come in as cover for Terry and Chester especially the former. Terryís been brilliant but heís also in his mid thirties. Ideally this lad is the long term partner to Chester in the PL.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe
Post by: frank black on January 23, 2018, 01:38:21 PM
I donít think heís one that Man U will sell. But then again money talks and the top teams seem to do very well out of selling a few youngsters
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe
Post by: UK Redsox on January 23, 2018, 01:58:31 PM
Axel? F...'ing hell

Is he any Cop ?
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe
Post by: eamonn on January 23, 2018, 02:13:30 PM
He has come here to start surely? And Bruce has presumably given Mourinho those assurances. So, unless he takes over from Hutton/right back , I can't see the point in signing him.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe
Post by: Jon Crofts on January 23, 2018, 02:25:59 PM
He's a centre back isn't he? How will he fit with JT & Chester, I dow gerrit.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 23, 2018, 02:34:06 PM
He's a centre back isn't he? How will he fit with JT & Chester, I dow gerrit.

Sounds like heíll replace Elphick who weíre looking to flog.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe
Post by: andyh on January 23, 2018, 02:38:09 PM
The rags are interested in Elphick arenít they?
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe
Post by: chrisw1 on January 23, 2018, 02:38:49 PM
He has come here to start surely? And Bruce has presumably given Mourinho those assurances. So, unless he takes over from Hutton/right back , I can't see the point in signing him.
He can't possibly have been assured a starting place.  I think it's a reasonable idea as back up for Terry & Chester, particularly as other than a couple of recent games Elphick never looked like he would do it for us.  It's a kick in the nuts for Suliman though and I hope he is significantly better to justify pushing one of our own further down the rankings.

A change in formation would be madness right now although having it as an option if needed later in the season makes some sense I guess.

Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe
Post by: Ads on January 23, 2018, 02:39:22 PM
He can play in midfield too. He's absolutely rapid.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 23, 2018, 02:47:54 PM
The rags are interested in Elphick arenít they?

The rags are flat broke. They couldn't afford his left leg let alone the entire player.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe
Post by: Legion on January 23, 2018, 03:30:56 PM
Speculation or substantiated?
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe
Post by: in exile on January 23, 2018, 03:56:56 PM
The first reports I read on him stated he was a defensive midfield player
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 23, 2018, 04:31:00 PM
Speculation or substantiated?

Start of the season when Redknapp was in charge.
Theyíre skint now though.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe
Post by: Brend'Watkins on January 23, 2018, 05:03:48 PM
No nothing whatsoever about him, but I like to hear the words"has pace" with anyone we are linked with.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe
Post by: Legion on January 23, 2018, 05:19:10 PM
Speculation or substantiated?

Start of the season when Redknapp was in charge.
Theyíre skint now though.

I meant Axel F.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 23, 2018, 05:23:13 PM
Speculation or substantiated?

Start of the season when Redknapp was in charge.
Theyíre skint now though.

I meant Axel F.

Oh. Apparently he was at the match on Saturday sitting with Tony Coton (Axel I mean).
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 23, 2018, 07:12:19 PM

(http://thumb.ibb.co/kufKRw/FBD5_F15_B_37_E3_47_C3_A0_AD_8_E433_E10_B250.jpg) (http://ibb.co/kufKRw)


Is it Axel or Ahmed?
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 23, 2018, 08:29:09 PM
I would expect he will come in as cover for Terry and Chester especially the former. Terryís been brilliant but heís also in his mid thirties. Ideally this lad is the long term partner to Chester in the PL.

Only if Chester moves in the summer to The Plastics. Mourinho highly rates the lad but said at the weekend he needs games so was the only player he was prepared to put out on loan. He's a centre back that can play right back so imagining Bruce has agreed to give him games I'm struggling to see where he'll play. We already have 5 right backs. Good player but why? I guess we'll soon find out.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe
Post by: LeeB on January 23, 2018, 08:36:45 PM
I would expect he will come in as cover for Terry and Chester especially the former. Terryís been brilliant but heís also in his mid thirties. Ideally this lad is the long term partner to Chester in the PL.

Only if Chester moves in the summer to The Plastics. Mourinho highly rates the lad but said at the weekend he needs games so was the only player he was prepared to put out on loan. He's a centre back that can play right back so imagining Bruce has agreed to give him games I'm struggling to see where he'll play. We already have 5 right backs. Good player but why? I guess we'll soon find out.

If he comes and does well, and we get promoted, they may let us have him for a year next season.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 23, 2018, 08:38:10 PM
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5303235/amp/Villa-look-seal-loan-deal-Man-Uniteds-Tuanzebe.html
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe
Post by: Legion on January 23, 2018, 10:16:40 PM
January Transfer Window thread?
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 23, 2018, 10:51:29 PM
I would expect he will come in as cover for Terry and Chester especially the former. Terryís been brilliant but heís also in his mid thirties. Ideally this lad is the long term partner to Chester in the PL.

Only if Chester moves in the summer to The Plastics. Mourinho highly rates the lad but said at the weekend he needs games so was the only player he was prepared to put out on loan. He's a centre back that can play right back so imagining Bruce has agreed to give him games I'm struggling to see where he'll play. We already have 5 right backs. Good player but why? I guess we'll soon find out.

This is a club that let Pogba go, and a manager who in the past sold De Bruyne. So just because the manager likes him doesn't automatically mean he'll stay there. One thing Mourinho has never done well is bring through kids because he's had money to burn especially at Chelsea and Man U. As such why promote a kid when optically spending 40m looks better on someone who in truth may not be that much better? I actually think that's a lot of what is wrong with the PL today.

I don't ultimately know if they would sell him but for the right price and depending on their summer business he might be available. Let's just see how he does with us first anyway.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe
Post by: tomd2103 on January 23, 2018, 11:12:43 PM
I would expect he will come in as cover for Terry and Chester especially the former. Terryís been brilliant but heís also in his mid thirties. Ideally this lad is the long term partner to Chester in the PL.

Only if Chester moves in the summer to The Plastics. Mourinho highly rates the lad but said at the weekend he needs games so was the only player he was prepared to put out on loan. He's a centre back that can play right back so imagining Bruce has agreed to give him games I'm struggling to see where he'll play. We already have 5 right backs. Good player but why? I guess we'll soon find out.

Just speculating, but Elphick maybe off leaving us only with Samba as cover or a Bruce might just not rate Elphick full stop.  If De Laet is going, Bruce sees Hutton as the number one choice at LB going forward and doesn't rate Bree, then I guess some cover at RB could be required as well. 
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on January 24, 2018, 12:21:28 AM
There has got to be a pun in the name somewhere. If we do get him on loan I expect H&V to deliver :)
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 24, 2018, 01:57:54 AM
If he has real pace, maybe Bruce gets to play 3 5 2 .
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on January 24, 2018, 07:33:03 AM
If he has real pace, maybe Bruce gets to play 3 5 2 .

I hope not. If it ain't broke...
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe
Post by: olaftab on January 24, 2018, 08:53:28 AM
Man U fan at work reckons he's the real deal. Fingers crossed he can do it at a wet Wednesday in Sheffield.
What about United ;)
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe
Post by: olaftab on January 24, 2018, 09:00:29 AM
There has got to be a pun in the name somewhere. If we do get him on loan I expect H&V to deliver :)
No doubt. The only thing I can add is once I knew a colleague at Volvo and his name was Bengt Axel. G is silent for our amusement.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe
Post by: mr underhill on January 24, 2018, 09:03:21 AM
As previously stated a guy at an ad agency who used to do work for my then employer titled himself Sans Serif - I kid you not
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe
Post by: sickbeggar on January 24, 2018, 09:15:17 AM
As others have said, I don't really see the point of this. If he's a replacement for elphick going then a)you'd think he's not gonna get many games in his favoured position and b)surely we need a permanent signing,not a loan with only Samba as experienced cover. My feelings are Bruce is gonna gamble and not replace Elphick until the summer and will use the elphick and any other money to buy a player elsewhere rather than another loan.  That would just about make sense if elphick and McCormack go.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe
Post by: cdbullyweefan on January 24, 2018, 09:31:37 AM
I don't mind getting a short-term replacement for the rest of the season. We can think about a more permanent solution in the Summer when we know what division we are in. Watford went up with a team of loan players and they've done alright since.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe
Post by: exigo on January 24, 2018, 09:54:09 AM
Man U fan at work reckons he's the real deal. Fingers crossed he can do it at a wet Wednesday in Sheffield.
What about United ;)

That's a Tuesday ;)
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe
Post by: Villa in Denmark on January 24, 2018, 10:21:43 AM
There has got to be a pun in the name somewhere. If we do get him on loan I expect H&V to deliver :)
No doubt. The only thing I can add is once I knew a colleague at Volvo and his name was Bengt Axel. G is silent for our amusement.

Down by my in laws there used to be an electrician called Bent Koch (ch pronounced ck). They could never understand my (albeit childish) amusement.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe
Post by: tomd2103 on January 24, 2018, 12:07:22 PM
I don't mind getting a short-term replacement for the rest of the season. We can think about a more permanent solution in the Summer when we know what division we are in. Watford went up with a team of loan players and they've done alright since.

Agree.  If we do go up, we will hopefully be buying in a completely different market.  For example, I think Ulloa would be a good loan signing until the end of the season, but we would probably need better than him next season if we were in the top flight.   
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe
Post by: Hookeysmith on January 24, 2018, 12:52:16 PM
Could this guy do the job of Jedinak?  Maybe that is where Moanrinio sees him also and that is why he has been allowed to come and develop?
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe
Post by: AsTallAsLions on January 24, 2018, 02:01:57 PM
I don't mind getting a short-term replacement for the rest of the season. We can think about a more permanent solution in the Summer when we know what division we are in. Watford went up with a team of loan players and they've done alright since.

Agree.  If we do go up, we will hopefully be buying in a completely different market.  For example, I think Ulloa would be a good loan signing until the end of the season, but we would probably need better than him next season if we were in the top flight.   

I'm not saying he's the most inspiring option ever, but he did score some key goals to help Leicester to the title, particularly in the games Vardy was injured or needed a rest. We could do a lot worse I'm sure.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on January 24, 2018, 04:52:09 PM
There has got to be a pun in the name somewhere. If we do get him on loan I expect H&V to deliver :)
No doubt. The only thing I can add is once I knew a colleague at Volvo and his name was Bengt Axel. G is silent for our amusement.

Down by my in laws there used to be an electrician called Bent Koch (ch pronounced ck). They could never understand my (albeit childish) amusement.

lol. When i started working, I had a colleague called Steve Sass. I used to take the calls for my department 

So when I got one with -"Can I talk to Steve Sass? my reply was "No but you can talk to his face!"

It still cracks me up to this day. Steve did find not it funny at all.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 24, 2018, 05:19:28 PM
I knew a guy called Roger Mese.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe
Post by: dave shelley on January 24, 2018, 06:36:43 PM
There's a lad in this area whose name is Toss Mee.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 24, 2018, 08:34:42 PM
https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/909506/Aston-Villa-Axel-Tuanzebe-Transfer-News-Manchester-United-EFL-Championship
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe
Post by: IFWaters on January 24, 2018, 09:17:37 PM
There's an undertaker called Robin Graves.
A Chinese lady I knew called Fanny Pong
And a hill in Australia called Mount Meharry.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe
Post by: andyh on January 25, 2018, 11:48:49 AM
Having his medical today....apparently.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe
Post by: KKAVFC on January 25, 2018, 12:44:44 PM
The above Express site has a Championship table link as you would expect but also a disciplinary table which our team is bottom of I am very pleased to see ! (Scroll down to the bottom of the page to view). If anyone wants to move this to new thread please feel free ?

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/table#champion
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe
Post by: Clampy on January 25, 2018, 01:07:42 PM
Official now.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: Legion on January 25, 2018, 01:20:06 PM
Pravda just announced his signing on a loan deal.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: wittonwarrior on January 25, 2018, 01:32:08 PM
Should have a poll how many games will he play before he gets daggers from us
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: cdbullyweefan on January 25, 2018, 01:34:44 PM
Welcome, Ax-T.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 25, 2018, 01:37:07 PM
(https://d16b4kgyytl7c7.cloudfront.net/~/media/TuanzebeFirstWords.ashx?h=720&la=en&mw=1280&w=1280&vs=1&d=20180125T131509Z&hash=350F66A06CDC474630DB5937BF6809B078E63345)

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First words: Axel Tuanzebe on promotion, Steve Bruce and why Jose Mourinho wanted him to join Aston Villa

Axel Tuanzebe spoke to the Aston Villa Official Website at Bodymoor Heath upon signing on loan for the rest of the season.


On joining Aston Villa...

I'm delighted. The whole reason I'm here is to get minutes and I feel like the manager here is the one to give me that and help me progress.

On why this club is the right one to progress his career...

There's a challenge to get promoted here. That's a big motivation for me.
It's my goal, my purpose. There's nothing better to aim for.

On his style and attributes...

I can play various positions. I'd say I was most comfortable at centre back.
But I'm here to do whatever the manager needs me to do. I'm willing to help.

On why Jose Mourinho wanted him to come to Villa...

He knows it's a big club, first and foremost.
He also has a great relationship with the manager here. He trusts the people who work here, and it's the right place for me to be.
We both feel it's a great chance for me to go back in the summer a stronger player.

On Steve Bruce...

I'm looking forward to working with him. He's a good guy and a United legend.
There's no one better to point me in the right direction.

On John Terry and leadership...

Leadership comes naturally to me Ė it's who I am. I'm not afraid to discipline people when needed and help players out.
As for JT, I've watched him play a lot and you can see how much of a role model he is.
He's so calm, and uses his head. That's the next challenge for me, to become a smarter player.

On his one aim for himself and Aston Villa over the next few months...

Promotion, of course. That's the priority.
Not play-offs, either. It's getting that second place and coming away with a promotion on my CV.
It'd be a massive achievement.

Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: Diablo on January 25, 2018, 01:45:08 PM
Finally! Seemed to take an age following the Docs tweet.

Welcome Axel. The kit suits you (not so sure about the trackie bottoms). UTV!!
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: cdbullyweefan on January 25, 2018, 01:45:52 PM
How long is the loan and can he play in the playoffs, if required?
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: darren woolley on January 25, 2018, 01:45:57 PM
Welcome to Villa Park Axel Tuanzebe.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 25, 2018, 01:46:00 PM
Welcome Axel, help get us promoted.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: AsTallAsLions on January 25, 2018, 01:46:21 PM
Welcome, Axel. Help us get back up to where we belong and we'll forgive you for the following 10 years of shut-outs and victories against us.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: andyh on January 25, 2018, 01:46:31 PM
Heís pissed me off already. 😉

We donít to be focused on second, we need to catch the dingles.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 25, 2018, 01:47:08 PM
How long is the loan and can he play in the playoffs, if required?

rest of the season. What playoffs?
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: Diablo on January 25, 2018, 01:47:46 PM
How long is the loan and can he play in the playoffs, if required?
Remainder of the season - so I'd assume so (be very strange if he wasn't allowed/couldn't see the job through)
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 25, 2018, 01:53:19 PM

(http://thumb.ibb.co/mgBY4G/6898616_C_DD92_4_C82_9398_E5800_E5_BCED7.jpg) (http://ibb.co/mgBY4G)
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: brian green on January 25, 2018, 01:56:45 PM
Is there another defensive midfield we might get whose name is Rod?  Be neat to have a midfield combo of Axel, Rod and Wheelan.  Maybe we will use Axel when Wheelan gets tyred.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 25, 2018, 01:59:33 PM
Iím assuming this means Elphick is on his way out?
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: Diablo on January 25, 2018, 02:01:58 PM
Is there another defensive midfield we might get whose name is Rod?  Be neat to have a midfield combo of Axel, Rod and Wheelan.  Maybe we will use Axel when Wheelan gets tyred.
We could get the ex Marsille right back Rod Fanni pretty cheap I reckon (we need more right backs) http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/news/newsid=1580172.html
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: Diablo on January 25, 2018, 02:03:55 PM
Axel? F...'ing hell

Is he any Cop ?
Well regarding a song for him we just need the lyrics, as we've potentially got the instrumental
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: Drummond on January 25, 2018, 02:09:33 PM
I think it means Elphick will go, or that Bjarnason may go, or that we want to go three at the back and lose the holding midfielder role to play more expansively?
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: AsTallAsLions on January 25, 2018, 02:15:22 PM
Barring any more catastrophic injuries (touch wood), changing our formation/shape now would be absolutely mad IMO.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: Risso on January 25, 2018, 02:32:06 PM
How long is the loan and can he play in the playoffs, if required?

Is there a reason he wouldn't be?  Not as if it he'll be cup tied or anything.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: in exile on January 25, 2018, 02:43:40 PM
Welcome Axel.
Good luck - enjoy your time here
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 25, 2018, 02:46:59 PM
How long is the loan and can he play in the playoffs, if required?

Is there a reason he wouldn't be?  Not as if it he'll be cup tied or anything.

Iím sure some players go back to their own clubs as soon as the last league game is played.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 25, 2018, 02:49:17 PM
How long is the loan and can he play in the playoffs, if required?

Is there a reason he wouldn't be?  Not as if it he'll be cup tied or anything.

Iím sure some players go back to their own clubs as soon as the last league game is played.

We had this with Gary Gardner a couple of years ago and the answer is that the season ends on the same date for every club.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 25, 2018, 02:51:42 PM
I woudn't be surprised to see Onomah leave.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: dicedlam on January 25, 2018, 02:54:09 PM
Barring any more catastrophic injuries (touch wood), changing our formation/shape now would be absolutely mad IMO.

Agreed.

I just don't see what position he would start at right now without screwing around with the formation.

If it means that possibly Elphick is on his way and Tuanzebe has been brought in for cover, then so be it. However, at this stage of the season and where we are sitting in the table, it would be madness to start messing around with the shape just to shoe horn another clubs player into the side so he can get game time.


Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: Risso on January 25, 2018, 03:12:04 PM
How long is the loan and can he play in the playoffs, if required?

Is there a reason he wouldn't be?  Not as if it he'll be cup tied or anything.

Iím sure some players go back to their own clubs as soon as the last league game is played.

We had this with Gary Gardner a couple of years ago and the answer is that the season ends on the same date for every club.

The EFL website says:

"53.1.1 subject to the proviso that the duration of a Standard Loan must be the time between two Transfer Windows, Standard Loans can be for half a Season or a full Season;"

I just checked on a couple of players who were on loan last season, eg Chris Martin on loan at Fulham from Derby, and he played in the play off games.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 25, 2018, 03:21:48 PM
Didn't we recall Robinson in 2015 during the Div 3 play-offs?
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 25, 2018, 03:27:39 PM
Everything I've heard about him is extremely positive. He's apparently a very talented lad and we can't have enough of that type of player. My guess is he'll fight for the defensive midfield spot and central defence cover though Bruce may see him as a right winger.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: The Left Side on January 25, 2018, 03:41:23 PM
What is his name worth in Scrabble, welcome Axel T.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: paul_e on January 25, 2018, 04:12:10 PM
Didn't we recall Robinson in 2015 during the Div 3 play-offs?

The rules have changed since then haven't they?  It used to be possible to get all kinds of loan terms that aren't allowed anymore.  Transfer window to transfer window is the rule now wihch means end of May unless all parties agree to cut it short.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: Diablo on January 25, 2018, 04:34:13 PM
What is his name worth in Scrabble, welcome Axel T.
= 1 + 8 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 10 + 1 + 3 + 1 = 30
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on January 25, 2018, 04:38:45 PM
He said at interview he wanted to play central midfield or central defence. On that basis I think he will be getting barneys spot,
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: Risso on January 25, 2018, 04:42:55 PM
Didn't we recall Robinson in 2015 during the Div 3 play-offs?

The rules have changed since then haven't they?  It used to be possible to get all kinds of loan terms that aren't allowed anymore.  Transfer window to transfer window is the rule now wihch means end of May unless all parties agree to cut it short.

I think you're right.  Transfermarkt list loan deals as expiring on 31 May 2018 in any case.  I think all things considered that it's nailed on that he'd be available for the play offs if required.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: OCD on January 25, 2018, 06:02:43 PM
On the basis that contracts usually run out on June 30th and technically players aren't available to their new parent club until 1st July (even if the deal is completed in May/June), I would have thought players would be available to play in play-offs. I would rather grab 2nd spot and sit back and watch everyone else fight it out in any case.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 25, 2018, 07:03:02 PM
The common consensus seems to be that he will be taking Thorís place in front of the back four.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 25, 2018, 07:05:33 PM
Well I hope he earns his place, Thor has done bloody well in the last couple of games.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: frank black on January 25, 2018, 07:06:26 PM
The common consensus seems to be that he will be taking Thorís place in front of the back four.

Which is a shame if so
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: curiousorange on January 25, 2018, 08:40:35 PM
Bjarnason looked frigged long before he went off on Saturday. I don't have a problem with Tuanzebe seeing out a game in those circumstances, but he can't come in for Bjarnason just because he's new. The team needs to be a meritocracy.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: CT on January 25, 2018, 09:13:19 PM
Bjarnason looked frigged long before he went off on Saturday. I don't have a problem with Tuanzebe seeing out a game in those circumstances, but he can't come in for Bjarnason just because he's new. The team needs to be a meritocracy.

Yep, this.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on January 25, 2018, 09:32:16 PM
I know naff all about Axel, but with that admitted level of ignorance Iím still perplexed by the signing. Iím just donít know where these ďminutesĒ (and Iím sure Bruce has promised Mourinho more than a few fillers at the end of games) will come from - surely not at the expense of Chester or Terry.

Unless there are fitness doubts about key players e.g. Jedinak.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: Walmley_Villa on January 25, 2018, 09:43:44 PM
Man Utd fan I work with say he should be in their first team and will be a class above in our division.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: passitsideways on January 25, 2018, 09:53:56 PM
Shrug, I don't think Mourinho's an idiot - he'd recognise that Chester and Terry are a very capable CB pairing, and that Tuanzebe would be going there as cover, and perhaps more importantly, to learn from Terry (and Bruce, and Chester, I suppose).

If Hutton's a full-time LB now, we'll probably need someone behind Elmo.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 25, 2018, 10:03:26 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Pr_EcNj3ES0
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 25, 2018, 10:09:42 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Pr_EcNj3ES0


I know you should not rely on U Tube , but can we keep him Please Dad ??
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: Drummond on January 25, 2018, 11:31:18 PM
Well I hope he earns his place, Thor has done bloody well in the last couple of games.

And how long has he been here?

Fuck sentimentality, we need progress. If rhus guy brings a higher quality, and by all account appears that way, then we should use him.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: AGRIPPA on January 25, 2018, 11:35:08 PM
Man Utd centre halves...: Jones, smalling, lindeoff, Baillly, Rojo and blind...all near enough current internationals.... He's now behind Chester and Terry...where's he more likely to get game time??
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: Meanwood Villa on January 25, 2018, 11:39:57 PM
Chip in to getting us promoted Axel and you'll be a hero my son.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: eamonn on January 26, 2018, 12:13:44 AM
Well I hope he earns his place, Thor has done bloody well in the last couple of games.

And how long has he been here?

Fuck sentimentality, we need progress. If rhus guy brings a higher quality, and by all account appears that way, then we should use him.

Thor is only covering for Whelan and Jedinak so I can't see where this guy fits in. Onomah and Lansbury are also not involved at the moment. Bruce should explain this shit in his press conference tomorrow.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: OCD on January 26, 2018, 12:27:58 AM
Reminds me of Rio Ferdinand in that video for some reason. I think he'll get a lot of time as a defensive midfielder but able to fill in for Chester or Terry if they miss games.

Unless he settles really quickly, I imagine Barney will start against Sheffield and come on to replace him as a sub. Then start as a DM against Burton and Blues.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 26, 2018, 01:10:39 AM
The couple of highlights where he does well vs Sanchez is impressive. Heís got a lot of pace and seemingly a very strong upper body. We need to play the best side when possible and I am sure once heís in the side heíll be tough to drop. I expect in time heíll either own that DM spot or cover for Terry and Chester. But heís also played RB so we might see him there too.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: footyskillz on January 26, 2018, 06:19:25 AM
Da Laet out AT in? So is he a right back cover or is it Elphick out AT in.

I don't know if Bruce is doing favors here as he will have to be behind JT and Chessey to play CB however after Terry back from injury he may need managing and sensible to get cover.

When I see Baker doing so well at Bristol City I do wonder why he was essentially traded for Samba.

tuanzebe may also be looked at as a left back cover and it would be great for one of these less established and younger loan players to make an impression like Sam Johnstone has. Onomah is nt a guarantee starter and I think this man utd loaner will be similar. Games here and there with some great performances.

Despite agreeing that wondering how fit in first 11 he would be a squad player at least and I'll take for want is. Seemingly a promising player who has ability and is keen to play.

However having seen onomah only do some very good play but as well as looking lost and even lacking in standard play the consistency may well not be there in A.T. either.

I think this signing will be okay and helps out situation in adding to squad and not to disrupting to established players.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: Matt Collins on January 26, 2018, 07:03:19 AM
Cover at CB and DCM. Seems more likely to get game time at DCM due to Jedinakís fitness issues

Offers the same defensive screen that Bruce likes and which Whelan and Barny canít
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: brontebilly on January 26, 2018, 08:53:52 AM
Looking forward to seeing this kid play. Would have thought we were well covered at DCM and of course RB.

Presume this means Elphick is off?
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: Archivist on January 26, 2018, 09:23:25 AM

Presume this means Elphick is off?

As he and half our team will be, when their real teams say
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: chrisw1 on January 26, 2018, 09:30:01 AM

Presume this means Elphick is off?

As he and half our team will be, when their real teams say
If we go up we would need major changes anyway.  Watford managed it ok and if we can shift some players now who don't have a long term future with us and replace them with temps who can do a good job, then that has to be a good thing.

My only reservation is both Tommy & Thor were just starting to look good and in particular I would have liked to have seen how Barney would grow into the role.  But we shouldn't get too sentimental about players who have been largely disappointing for us.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: Archivist on January 26, 2018, 10:00:55 AM

Presume this means Elphick is off?

As he and half our team will be, when their real teams say
If we go up we would need major changes anyway.  Watford managed it ok

True, but I am not sure that our track record of buying lots of players in one go and successfully blending them swiftly into a coherent unit is the best
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: West Derby Villan on January 26, 2018, 11:20:25 AM
Da Laet out AT in? So is he a right back cover or is it Elphick out AT in.

I don't know if Bruce is doing favors here as he will have to be behind JT and Chessey to play CB however after Terry back from injury he may need managing and sensible to get cover.

When I see Baker doing so well at Bristol City I do wonder why he was essentially traded for Samba.

tuanzebe may also be looked at as a left back cover and it would be great for one of these less established and younger loan players to make an impression like Sam Johnstone has. Onomah is nt a guarantee starter and I think this man utd loaner will be similar. Games here and there with some great performances.

Despite agreeing that wondering how fit in first 11 he would be a squad player at least and I'll take for want is. Seemingly a promising player who has ability and is keen to play.

However having seen onomah only do some very good play but as well as looking lost and even lacking in standard play the consistency may well not be there in A.T. either.

I think this signing will be okay and helps out situation in adding to squad and not to disrupting to established players.

I thought Baker wanted more first team appearances but wasn't guaranteed this so he opted to leave
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: cdbullyweefan on January 26, 2018, 11:31:34 AM

Presume this means Elphick is off?

As he and half our team will be, when their real teams say
If we go up we would need major changes anyway.  Watford managed it ok

True, but I am not sure that our track record of buying lots of players in one go and successfully blending them swiftly into a coherent unit is the best

If we are promoted, we won't have much choice but to massively reassemble the squad. Newcastle bought in six players last Summer, Brighton added eleven and Huddersfield acquired thirteen.

In any case, it's unlikely that Ax-T will go straight from the Championship to the Man United first team, so I wouldn't be surprised if we loan him for another year if he's successful.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: leylandalbion on January 26, 2018, 12:49:33 PM
And then we can wheel Whelan out for when we play manure :o
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 26, 2018, 06:58:02 PM
In the pictures of him training he looks like a bit like a young Kolo Toure
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: cheltenhamlion on January 26, 2018, 07:33:40 PM
In the pictures of him training he looks like a bit like a young Kolo Toure

Don't buy him a birthday cake, for fucks sake!
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 26, 2018, 07:38:48 PM
In the pictures of him training he looks like a bit like a young Kolo Toure

Don't buy him a birthday cake, for fucks sake!

LOL but wasnít that his bro Yaya?
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: OCD on January 27, 2018, 12:09:16 AM

Presume this means Elphick is off?

As he and half our team will be, when their real teams say
If we go up we would need major changes anyway.  Watford managed it ok

True, but I am not sure that our track record of buying lots of players in one go and successfully blending them swiftly into a coherent unit is the best

If we are promoted, we won't have much choice but to massively reassemble the squad. Newcastle bought in six players last Summer, Brighton added eleven and Huddersfield acquired thirteen.

In any case, it's unlikely that Ax-T will go straight from the Championship to the Man United first team, so I wouldn't be surprised if we loan him for another year if he's successful.

Quite possible with Mourinho's record for developing players. They'll keep buying players making it harder to get into the side.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: wittonwarrior on January 28, 2018, 11:56:12 AM
Da Laet out AT in? So is he a right back cover or is it Elphick out AT in.

I don't know if Bruce is doing favors here as he will have to be behind JT and Chessey to play CB however after Terry back from injury he may need managing and sensible to get cover.

When I see Baker doing so well at Bristol City I do wonder why he was essentially traded for Samba.

tuanzebe may also be looked at as a left back cover and it would be great for one of these less established and younger loan players to make an impression like Sam Johnstone has. Onomah is nt a guarantee starter and I think this man utd loaner will be similar. Games here and there with some great performances.

Despite agreeing that wondering how fit in first 11 he would be a squad player at least and I'll take for want is. Seemingly a promising player who has ability and is keen to play.

However having seen onomah only do some very good play but as well as looking lost and even lacking in standard play the consistency may well not be there in A.T. either.

I think this signing will be okay and helps out situation in adding to squad and not to disrupting to established players.

I thought Baker wanted more first team appearances but wasn't guaranteed this so he opted to leave

Baker has suddenly this season become this world  class player with some Villa fans.  He's not all that
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: Risso on January 29, 2018, 01:51:33 PM
From Bruce's press conference this morning, it sounds very much like he's here on the understanding that he plays as much as possible.  Bruce virtually guaranteed that he'd be "involved" tomorrow night.  Hope he's as good as they say and that he doesn't disrupt things.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: Ads on January 29, 2018, 01:54:25 PM
He's probably the quickest player at the club. Given his reading of the game being pretty good, that recovery speed covers a huge multitude of sins at this level.

I'd be surprised if he isn't sat behind the front 5.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: Risso on January 29, 2018, 02:01:34 PM
He's probably the quickest player at the club. Given his reading of the game being pretty good, that recovery speed covers a huge multitude of sins at this level.

I'd be surprised if he isn't sat behind the front 5.

In the Whelan and Jedinak spot?
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: chrisw1 on January 29, 2018, 02:04:42 PM
He's probably the quickest player at the club. Given his reading of the game being pretty good, that recovery speed covers a huge multitude of sins at this level.

I'd be surprised if he isn't sat behind the front 5.

In the Whelan and Jedinak spot?
I think that's the only realistic position he could play right now, it would be madness to break up the Chester-Terry partnership.  I guess he could play fullback, but that would seem like shoe horning a square peg into a round hole for the sake of it.

But I think he'll be on the bench to start.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: Drummond on January 29, 2018, 03:34:19 PM
He's probably the quickest player at the club. Given his reading of the game being pretty good, that recovery speed covers a huge multitude of sins at this level.

I'd be surprised if he isn't sat behind the front 5.

In the Whelan and Jedinak spot?
I think that's the only realistic position he could play right now, it would be madness to break up the Chester-Terry partnership.  I guess he could play fullback, but that would seem like shoe horning a square peg into a round hole for the sake of it.

But I think he'll be on the bench to start.

Maybe we're going to attempt something a bit different...

3-5-2

3-4-1-2

Though my guess would be he'll play the Jedinak role and have the flexibility to cover the defence in the event of injury etc.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: taylorsworkrate on January 29, 2018, 03:39:38 PM
He's probably the quickest player at the club. Given his reading of the game being pretty good, that recovery speed covers a huge multitude of sins at this level.

I'd be surprised if he isn't sat behind the front 5.

In the Whelan and Jedinak spot?
I think that's the only realistic position he could play right now, it would be madness to break up the Chester-Terry partnership.  I guess he could play fullback, but that would seem like shoe horning a square peg into a round hole for the sake of it.

But I think he'll be on the bench to start.

Maybe we're going to attempt something a bit different...

3-5-2

3-4-1-2

Though my guess would be he'll play the Jedinak role and have the flexibility to cover the defence in the event of injury etc.

I hope not. Twice Bruce has changed the formation for no apparent reason this season, firstly after the thumping win against Norwich, he then went 3 central defenders for the next game which didn't work. Then after a good run of form and a dominating win away at Preston he decided to play Hogan and Davis together the next game which didn't work.

We've won 4 on the spin, finally getting good form out of Hogan. I really hope (and can't see) Bruce doesn't change it up at this point.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: Ads on January 29, 2018, 03:40:36 PM
He's probably the quickest player at the club. Given his reading of the game being pretty good, that recovery speed covers a huge multitude of sins at this level.

I'd be surprised if he isn't sat behind the front 5.

In the Whelan and Jedinak spot?

Yep.

Whether he plays tomorrow though is another matter.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: TheMalandro on January 29, 2018, 03:45:21 PM
He's probably the quickest player at the club. Given his reading of the game being pretty good, that recovery speed covers a huge multitude of sins at this level.

I'd be surprised if he isn't sat behind the front 5.

In the Whelan and Jedinak spot?

Yep.

Whether he plays tomorrow though is another matter.

If that's his role, Bruce should've flogged Birkir.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: Diablo on January 29, 2018, 04:24:48 PM
He's probably the quickest player at the club. Given his reading of the game being pretty good, that recovery speed covers a huge multitude of sins at this level.

I'd be surprised if he isn't sat behind the front 5.

In the Whelan and Jedinak spot?

Yep.

Whether he plays tomorrow though is another matter.

If that's his role, Bruce should've flogged Birkir.
I wouldn't be that surprised to see Bikir leave as well (following his earlier links and desire to leave a few weeks back).
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 29, 2018, 05:15:57 PM
He's probably the quickest player at the club. Given his reading of the game being pretty good, that recovery speed covers a huge multitude of sins at this level.

I'd be surprised if he isn't sat behind the front 5.

In the Whelan and Jedinak spot?

Yep.

Whether he plays tomorrow though is another matter.

If that's his role, Bruce should've flogged Birkir.
I wouldn't be that surprised to see Bikir leave as well (following his earlier links and desire to leave a few weeks back).

Heís also more recently said heís going nowhere and how heís now enjoying his football at the club. I wouldnít want us to sell him either given how physically unreliable Jedinak is and how generally unreliable Whelan is.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: brontebilly on January 29, 2018, 10:37:13 PM
He's probably the quickest player at the club. Given his reading of the game being pretty good, that recovery speed covers a huge multitude of sins at this level.

I'd be surprised if he isn't sat behind the front 5.

In the Whelan and Jedinak spot?
I think that's the only realistic position he could play right now, it would be madness to break up the Chester-Terry partnership.  I guess he could play fullback, but that would seem like shoe horning a square peg into a round hole for the sake of it.

But I think he'll be on the bench to start.

Maybe we're going to attempt something a bit different...

3-5-2

3-4-1-2

Though my guess would be he'll play the Jedinak role and have the flexibility to cover the defence in the event of injury etc.

If we go back to three at the back we can kiss our promotion hopes good bye. Car crash each time Bruce has tried it. I sincerely hope this kid is on the bench tomorrow and we stay with a back 4!
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: Dougs Socks on January 30, 2018, 11:41:38 AM
Looking forward to seeing him play tonight. 8)
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: Meanwood Villa on April 01, 2018, 08:10:59 AM
First time I've seen him play yesterday. Looked quite strong defensively first half but not willing enough to get forward. Was awful second half. What is his favoured position? Overall not impressed.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: mr underhill on April 01, 2018, 09:38:51 AM
I'm guessing his favourite position is eighth choice defensive midfield at United on 40k a week.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 01, 2018, 10:11:48 AM
Does he play for the actual Man United and not some other amateur club elsewhere in the world with the same name?

Absolute garbage.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: Clampy on April 01, 2018, 10:13:24 AM
He doesn't look like a defender to me. He looks like a player who could sit in front of the back four.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: olaftab on April 01, 2018, 10:17:58 AM
He doesn't look like a defender to me. He looks like a player who could sit in front of the back four.
I am afraid there is only one chair to sit on and Jedinak and Whelan are made to measure for it.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: Risso on April 01, 2018, 10:54:19 AM
It would be OK bringing in these flash youngsters from Man U and Spurs at their expense of our own young players if they were any good and added anything to the team.  But they're not, so just what is the point.  Tuanzebe was rubbish yesterday, which had a knock on effect on Snodgrass.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: wittonwarrior on April 01, 2018, 10:57:10 AM
Thought he was really poor yesterday. When motivated as per his debut at Fulham he is on it otherwise needs a kick up the rear before every game.  Certainly would not be my first choice for right back.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 01, 2018, 11:18:32 AM
Bascially everyone on Redcafe (Man. United site) says he's a CB and he's not going to look great in other positions.

I'd personally rest Terry for a few games as I don't think he's looked great the last month and see what Axel-Chester looks like.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 01, 2018, 11:20:40 AM
Does he play for the actual Man United and not some other amateur club elsewhere in the world with the same name?

Absolute garbage.

Bit harsh. I remember you ripping into Kyle Walker a few times in his loan spell here, saying you'd never seen a full back with such shocking bad position.

Lad hasn't had a bad career has he?

He needs games in his proper position, CB. If he's bad there fair enough.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: fredm on April 01, 2018, 11:22:49 AM
It would be OK bringing in these flash youngsters from Man U and Spurs at their expense of our own young players if they were any good and added anything to the team.  But they're not, so just what is the point.  Tuanzebe was rubbish yesterday, which had a knock on effect on Snodgrass.

The problem was that Snodgrass likes his full back to go up the wing so that it makes the opposition have two thoughts about tracking him when he goes inside (as he always does).  If this does not happen then the opponent has a far easier time knowing that all he has to do is stop Snodgrass going inside.  Unfortunately Tuanzebe didn't get forward into the space and pull the opponent away from Snodgrass.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 01, 2018, 11:23:44 AM
It would be OK bringing in these flash youngsters from Man U and Spurs at their expense of our own young players if they were any good and added anything to the team.  But they're not, so just what is the point.  Tuanzebe was rubbish yesterday, which had a knock on effect on Snodgrass.

agree

Was hoping tuanzebe was going to be a good addition but not at RB when we have Bree in that position anyway who couldn;t be any worse , hes obvious better in another position where we have plenty of cover anyway .
don't get me on the spurs loanee .
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 01, 2018, 11:27:28 AM
AEM is our best RB by a distance really.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: Mister E on April 01, 2018, 11:28:40 AM
It would be OK bringing in these flash youngsters from Man U and Spurs at their expense of our own young players if they were any good and added anything to the team.  But they're not, so just what is the point.  Tuanzebe was rubbish yesterday, which had a knock on effect on Snodgrass.

The problem was that Snodgrass likes his full back to go up the wing so that it makes the opposition have two thoughts about tracking him when he goes inside (as he always does).  If this does not happen then the opponent has a far easier time knowing that all he has to do is stop Snodgrass going inside.  Unfortunately Tuanzebe didn't get forward into the space and pull the opponent away from Snodgrass.
I think you're right, Fred.
And, actually, yesterday Adomah had the same problem on the left: Hutton wasn't bombing forward (and doesn't have much of a left foot either) so both our wide attacking elements were nullified.
I wish to hell Snodgrass and Adomah switched wings every 15 minutes, because our crosses from the wings are so slow (because both have to check inside to deliver).
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: Brassneck on April 01, 2018, 11:33:15 AM
AEM is our best RB by a distance really.

I wouldn't say by a distance because AH is right up there with him.

What I like about AEM (and why I prefer him over Hutton who I would play at LB) is his attacking/crossing abilities.

With regards to Tunazebe, he looks like a very good prospect but he's not at Championship level yet and certainly doesn't suit the way we play in terms of supplementing the attacks. I've been disappointed with both the young loanees compared to the success of the older ones (Snodgrass & Grabban) and think that next season in the (likely) event that we are still in the Championship, we ought to look at older, experienced loanees as opposed to young up and coming PL players.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 01, 2018, 11:41:39 AM
Hutton offers little going forward.

At left back it's not expected for him to get forward and in fairness he's done really well in that position.

I was against us signing EL-Mohamady but he's done well for me this season from the games I've seen. Links well with Snoddy and gets plenty of crosses in.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: paul_e on April 01, 2018, 02:21:14 PM
I don't mind Elmo but my issue then and now is that we had Hutton, DeLaet and Bree for Right back but only had Taylor on the left.  As it's worked out Hutton is better at left back than right back so we've got away with it but I still think it was a poor decision.  A left winger who could go down the line and get crosses in would've been useful as well, instead of Onomah or Whelan, neither of which were needed.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: Mister E on April 01, 2018, 02:33:41 PM
I don't mind Elmo but my issue then and now is that we had Hutton, DeLaet and Bree for Right back but only had Taylor on the left.  As it's worked out Hutton is better at left back than right back so we've got away with it but I still think it was a poor decision.  A left winger who could go down the line and get crosses in would've been useful as well, instead of Onomah or Whelan, neither of which were needed.
If we play a right-footed left winger, we really need a left-footed fullback who can overlap and whip in the early ball.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: olaftab on April 01, 2018, 02:43:58 PM
AEM is our best RB by a distance really.
By some distance off the pitch.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: sickbeggar on April 01, 2018, 07:17:17 PM
Bascially everyone on Redcafe (Man. United site) says he's a CB and he's not going to look great in other positions.

I'd personally rest Terry for a few games as I don't think he's looked great the last month and see what Axel-Chester looks like.


That's my understanding of his position. Don't get the signing at all, unless he's better than Terry and Chester or Man U were prepared for him to be a reserve. Just shoehorning him into a position that doesn't suit him smacks of us doing Man U a favour, probably payback for letting us keep Johnstone again.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 01, 2018, 07:57:47 PM
Does he play for the actual Man United and not some other amateur club elsewhere in the world with the same name?

Absolute garbage.

Bit harsh. I remember you ripping into Kyle Walker a few times in his loan spell here, saying you'd never seen a full back with such shocking bad position.

Lad hasn't had a bad career has he?

He needs games in his proper position, CB. If he's bad there fair enough.

I don't think you do remember me giving Walker a hard time - I always rated him. I've had a quick look and can't find a single post in which I was critical of him. Although in any case, I don't really see what the relevance of that is here?

I've not seen a single thing from Tuanzabe which has impressed me in his time here. Nothing.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: mr underhill on April 01, 2018, 08:07:47 PM
he's shit and like I said earlier hi best position is staying on the periphery at Yanited earning megabucks
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 01, 2018, 08:09:10 PM
Loads of people liked Walker but also said he was a worry defensively. It would hardly be a shock if Paulie said something along those lines, I know I did.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 01, 2018, 08:46:35 PM
Does he play for the actual Man United and not some other amateur club elsewhere in the world with the same name?

Absolute garbage.

Bit harsh. I remember you ripping into Kyle Walker a few times in his loan spell here, saying you'd never seen a full back with such shocking bad position.

Lad hasn't had a bad career has he?

He needs games in his proper position, CB. If he's bad there fair enough.

I don't think you do remember me giving Walker a hard time - I always rated him. I've had a quick look and can't find a single post in which I was critical of him. Although in any case, I don't really see what the relevance of that is here?

I've not seen a single thing from Tuanzabe which has impressed me in his time here. Nothing.

O.k maybe I'm confusing you with another poster.

I think it's too early to just be dismissing Tuanzebe as a waste of time as by all accounts he's a CB and he's not played a single minute for us there yet.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on April 01, 2018, 08:51:08 PM
Does he play for the actual Man United and not some other amateur club elsewhere in the world with the same name?

Absolute garbage.

Bit harsh. I remember you ripping into Kyle Walker a few times in his loan spell here, saying you'd never seen a full back with such shocking bad position.

Lad hasn't had a bad career has he?

He needs games in his proper position, CB. If he's bad there fair enough.

I don't think you do remember me giving Walker a hard time - I always rated him. I've had a quick look and can't find a single post in which I was critical of him. Although in any case, I don't really see what the relevance of that is here?

I've not seen a single thing from Tuanzabe which has impressed me in his time here. Nothing.

O.k maybe I'm confusing you with another poster.

I think it's too early to just be dismissing Tuanzebe as a waste of time as by all accounts he's a CB and he's not played a single minute for us there yet.
Steve Bruce playing players out of position? That will never happen surely:)
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: David_Nab on April 01, 2018, 10:20:23 PM
No idea why he is playing RB  especially when we have Bree who has more championship experiance in that position ...
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: RichardBatchelor on April 02, 2018, 12:14:47 AM
Second half he looked like his confidence was shot and you sensed he didnít want the ball to go anywhere near him. I wouldnít read too much into one performance though.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: wittonwarrior on April 02, 2018, 12:32:21 AM
We can't afford passengers.  For me he can de-sign  on loan.  Apart from the first 45 minutes at Fulham he has shown not ready for this standard, certainly not a full back.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: PeterWithe on April 02, 2018, 07:28:26 AM
Maybe I watched a different game but I thought he was one of the few players to come out of the game with credit, he wasnít great but he showed a lot of promise and looked very powerful.

If anything Bruce should have told him to get forward more as he looked like he could have just bulldozed through their back line. I lost a bit of interest second half and didnít pay as much attention so I asssume he dropped off form.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: wittonwarrior on April 02, 2018, 09:53:12 AM
Maybe I watched a different game but I thought he was one of the few players to come out of the game with credit, he wasnít great but he showed a lot of promise and looked very powerful.

If anything Bruce should have told him to get forward more as he looked like he could have just bulldozed through their back line. I lost a bit of interest second half and didnít pay as much attention so I asssume he dropped off form.

He didn't want the ball at all in the second half which  is alarming.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on April 02, 2018, 05:30:45 PM


Looks pretty bloody woeful so far to me
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: Brassneck on April 03, 2018, 12:01:25 AM
I'd like to see him in the centre of defence. He's not up to scratch at RB and we now have 7 games where we can afford to rotate players, in order to keep them fresh for the play offs.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: tomd2103 on April 03, 2018, 12:13:17 AM
Looks like many of the modern generation of young players (like Onomah) who have come through a system where physical attributes are rated above technical ones.  He looks to have questionable ability on the ball, but if CB is his genuine position then that is understandable.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: adrenachrome on April 03, 2018, 12:30:24 AM
A poster in one of the match related threads said that the player reminded him of of a young Micah Richards, who uses his physical attributes to good effect to mask his footballing prowess, and it struck me as a good comparison.

On the other hand, if he has spent most of his career as a CB, then it is not surprising. Completely different skill sets, unless you are MoN.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 03, 2018, 12:33:28 AM
It will be very good for his  development to play Right back  at this level, but no use to us whatsoever.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: mr underhill on April 03, 2018, 09:02:28 AM
personally, I think  his best attribute is his name.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on April 03, 2018, 07:45:54 PM
A poster in one of the match related threads said that the player reminded him of of a young Micah Richards, who uses his physical attributes to good effect to mask his footballing prowess, and it struck me as a good comparison.

Looks more like the current Micah Richards to me.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: Hookeysmith on April 04, 2018, 07:29:45 PM
A poster in one of the match related threads said that the player reminded him of of a young Micah Richards, who uses his physical attributes to good effect to mask his footballing prowess, and it struck me as a good comparison.

Looks more like the current Micah Richards to me.

His hide and seek skills are certainly on a par with the waste of space Richards
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: dcdavecollett on April 05, 2018, 06:13:20 PM
Thought AT had a decent first-half at Bolton, though he needed to get further forward, like Elmo does.

After the break, he just looked tired and hardly got forward at all.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: footyskillz on April 06, 2018, 10:47:22 PM
Can't play 2 matches in 3 days. Expect  to line up somewhere 2mrw maybe even centre back! Could give JT a rest.
If not decent at rb and then Elmo for Cardiff unless Hutton recovers for Tuesday
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: cdbullyweefan on August 06, 2018, 03:09:32 PM
He's back for another season's loan. Hopefully he'll have more luck with injuries this season. Assume he will want to play centre back. It's nice to at least have some competition there as having Elphick as unopposed first choice gives me The Fear.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: Fred Crump on August 06, 2018, 03:12:31 PM
Yeay ! One and a half cheers
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: UK Redsox on August 06, 2018, 03:14:38 PM
https://audioboom.com/posts/6959564-episode-eight-on-the-bish-with-axel-tuanzebe
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 06, 2018, 03:22:28 PM
Very happy he's back. As long as he's not played out of position and allowed to fight for the central defender role, I'm expecting him to impress and have a very good season.

Smart move, Bruce. Well done.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: Mister E on August 06, 2018, 03:26:57 PM
Very happy he's back. As long as he's not played out of position and allowed to fight for the central defender role, I'm expecting him to impress and have a very good season.

Smart move, Bruce. Well done.
I admire your optimism - let's hope it's justified. I was encouraged at Fulham last February but saw nothing thereafter to justify the hype.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: Drummond on August 06, 2018, 03:31:46 PM
Very happy he's back. As long as he's not played out of position and allowed to fight for the central defender role, I'm expecting him to impress and have a very good season.

Smart move, Bruce. Well done.

He had a season to learn from Chester and Terry. He's learned at Man Utd previously too. He's being managed by Bruce and Calderwood, both seasoned Centre Backs so let's hope some of that sticks and that he's given a chance this year.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 06, 2018, 03:44:16 PM
Happy about this. At CB next to Chester heíll improve across the season. Welcome back Axel
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan)
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 06, 2018, 03:48:03 PM
Very happy he's back. As long as he's not played out of position and allowed to fight for the central defender role, I'm expecting him to impress and have a very good season.

Smart move, Bruce. Well done.

He had a season to learn from Chester and Terry. He's learned at Man Utd previously too. He's being managed by Bruce and Calderwood, both seasoned Centre Backs so let's hope some of that sticks and that he's given a chance this year.

Half a season with Chester & Terry but what really impresses me about the lad is his speed. Last month he recorded the fastest time to clear a game of Hungry Hippos in a time of 17.36 seconds, a new world record and a place in the Guinness Book of Records.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: oldtimernow on August 06, 2018, 04:12:24 PM
Fingers crossed for a fit season and some real progress.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 06, 2018, 04:18:26 PM
Welcome back Axel, stay fit and play brilliantly please.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Risso on August 06, 2018, 04:25:29 PM
If he can play to his potential he'll hopefully have a better season than last year.  Needs to play centrally where his speed should be an asset.  If we're going to play 3-5-2 you need somebody with a bit of pace in there ideally.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 06, 2018, 05:10:14 PM
Micah Richards had pace once....

Oh well welcome back - didn't get a chance to prove himself with injuries really.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Clampy on August 06, 2018, 06:14:47 PM
I'd rather have seen someone like Sulliman given a chance to break into the squad this time but I hope he does well anyway.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 06, 2018, 06:16:29 PM
Depends really if heís good enough to be a top end Championship centre half now, and thatís better than where Suliman is now, then Iíd prefer him to play.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: sickbeggar on August 06, 2018, 06:22:17 PM
I'd rather have seen someone like Sulliman given a chance to break into the squad this time but I hope he does well anyway.

yep. agreed
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: paul_e on August 06, 2018, 06:29:05 PM
I'd honestly rather we'd left this one for a couple of weeks, that'd have given us the time to look at Suliman and/or Bedeau with experienced players around them.  I have no problems bringing Tuanzebe in if he is better but from what I've seen I'm not sure if he is.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: darren woolley on August 06, 2018, 06:56:21 PM
Welcome back Axel.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: jwarry on August 06, 2018, 07:09:16 PM
Good signing. This will be his year of coming of age. Neither Suliman or Bedau are any where near. Might be a few mistakes early on but when he realises heís first choice I reckon he will do well - and legs to boot!
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: wittonwarrior on August 07, 2018, 06:21:53 AM
Underwhelmed- sorry
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Randy Gurner on August 07, 2018, 06:55:30 AM
Welcome back Axel.

I was at Craven Cottage last season where he looked immense during the first half. If he can perform like that regularly then he's a very welcome addition, especially under the current financial / Elphick constraints.

Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Matt Collins on August 07, 2018, 08:12:54 AM
I'd rather have seen someone like Sulliman given a chance to break into the squad this time but I hope he does well anyway.

yep. agreed

Sulliman really isn't ready from what I've seen. Give him another loan and see if he does better than last time

Pacey highly rated centre back is just what we need
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: sickbeggar on August 07, 2018, 08:37:16 AM
I'd rather have seen someone like Sulliman given a chance to break into the squad this time but I hope he does well anyway.

yep. agreed

Sulliman really isn't ready from what I've seen. Give him another loan and see if he does better than last time

Pacey highly rated centre back is just what we need


He's no more proven at this level than Sulliman is really. If we're gonna rely on a youth player for a championship season then i'd prefer it to be one of ours so we reap the benefits in the long term
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: in exile on August 07, 2018, 02:40:36 PM
As long as he keeps Elphick out of the picture, he'll do for me
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: footyskillz on August 08, 2018, 09:42:47 PM
I think he could be used in a 3-5-2 or just as one of centre halves and hope he is.

Has more athletic ability than elphick however in some matches in international champions cup was exposed.

I think he's good enough to be part of defence and would have him centre back with cheesie or in a 3 with Jedinak .
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Matt Collins on August 08, 2018, 10:21:14 PM
I'm pretty confident he's better than Sulliman at this point in time

Sulliman wasnt getting games for Grimsby or whoever it was
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: dcdavecollett on August 10, 2018, 06:15:56 PM
Yes, but Grimsby played him as a right-back, FFS!
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: paul_e on August 10, 2018, 06:44:33 PM
I just don't think Grimsby was a good fit, he was a panic loan by a manager who ended up being sacked a couple of weeks later.

I'd like to see him get a fair bit of gametime this year, he's played 40odd games for various England age group teams no team in the championship should have someone like that not even getting subs appearances.

From what I've seen I think he'll be a fantastic defender, he reads the game superbly and gets himself into good positions very early which makes it looks easy, that's not something you can see on paper or that catches the eye but if you just watch him for a game or 2 it's pretty obvious to see.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: cdbullyweefan on August 10, 2018, 06:51:08 PM
If he wasn't good enough to set the world alight at Grimsby he clearly hasn't proved himself good enough for our first team. Loan him out again. If he impresses, recall him.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: paul_e on August 10, 2018, 06:55:01 PM
If he wasn't good enough to set the world alight at Grimsby he clearly hasn't proved himself good enough for our first team. Loan him out again. If he impresses, recall him.

As above, the manager who loaned him in was sacked a few games later, there's plenty of reasons why a new manager coming in would decide to stick with his permanent players over the loanees he didn't choose so I don't think you can read anything into it beyond it just not being a good loan for anyone.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Villafirst on August 10, 2018, 07:20:24 PM
Highly rated by United. Play him in his best position - Centre-half!
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: cdbullyweefan on August 10, 2018, 08:39:37 PM
If he wasn't good enough to set the world alight at Grimsby he clearly hasn't proved himself good enough for our first team. Loan him out again. If he impresses, recall him.

As above, the manager who loaned him in was sacked a few games later, there's plenty of reasons why a new manager coming in would decide to stick with his permanent players over the loanees he didn't choose so I don't think you can read anything into it beyond it just not being a good loan for anyone.

Yeah, maybe. He can still prove himself somewhere else before being parachuted straight into the team, though.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: sickbeggar on August 10, 2018, 11:06:03 PM
Seeing Boreinhno has spent all summer moaning about getting a centre-half in and has 5 already, he obviously doesn't rate Tuanzebe that highly.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Matt Collins on August 11, 2018, 06:08:05 AM
Mourinho very rarely puts his trust in kids. Especially in defence. Varane the exception

Mail are suggesting he'll play left back which I'm not keen on. Not that the mail has a great track record at this sort of thing
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: robbo1874 on August 11, 2018, 06:28:51 AM
I think he could be used in a 3-5-2 or just as one of centre halves and hope he is.

Has more athletic ability than elphick however in some matches in international champions cup was exposed.

I think he's good enough to be part of defence and would have him centre back with cheesie or in a 3 with Jedinak .
wasnít he meant to have initially been signed as a deep lying defensive midfielder, or did I just imagine that?
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: frank black on August 11, 2018, 06:58:12 AM
This is the only signing which worries me. He seemed a bit positionally poor and gave the ball away. Very quick though, but the similarities with Micah concern me. Not sure heís a center half really. Anyhow fingers crossed on this one
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: footyskillz on August 12, 2018, 08:10:11 AM
Playing at right-back yesterday vs Wigan . Copes well there but would really like to see him in a centre back role .

This is because I think he can develop there whereas Bruce seems to put experience of Jedinak there instead !
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: footyskillz on August 15, 2018, 08:22:34 AM
Doesn't like to be rushed and plays or at least tries to at his own pace.

Can appear casual in hoping to be classy.

Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: RussellC on August 15, 2018, 08:26:55 AM
Thought he played really well last night. Positionally was very good, and has 'recovery pace' in abundance to get himself (and his fellow defenders) out of trouble.  Looks comfortable on the left-handside of the back 2 - which is where Terry played - which should also help him gel with Chester. Needs to start there at Ipswich now, IMO.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: garyshawsknee on August 15, 2018, 08:30:37 AM
Thought he looked good after a bit of a sloppy start. Should do well next to Chester.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: footyskillz on August 15, 2018, 08:38:42 AM
I have him in with chessie. Bruce may fancy the more tried and tested of jedinak.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: RussellC on August 15, 2018, 08:46:47 AM
I have him in with chessie. Bruce may fancy the more tried and tested of jedinak.

Except, as a centre-back, Jedinak is tried and tested as a not-very-good one.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 15, 2018, 08:59:55 AM
He should play at centre half, especially as Jedi is appalling in that role.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Matt Collins on August 15, 2018, 09:34:10 AM
He's still got a bit to learn but I'd definitely put him in alongside Chester. His recovery pace is probably about three times jedinaks's
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: footyskillz on August 15, 2018, 11:18:28 AM
Actually recalling things he defended and covered and was great in those  situations.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Risso on August 15, 2018, 01:07:07 PM
I thought he was a bright spot last night and looked comfortable in the centre.  OK it was only aganst Yeovil, but still.  Perfectly capable in the air, and his pace is a real asset, as he showed in that great recovery clearance.

Play him in the middle next to Chester at Ipswich please.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Dave P on August 15, 2018, 01:51:50 PM
His pace was highlighted in the first half last night when their player was clean through.  OK, he made a right pigs arse of it, but Axel's recovery was great and we would have been 1-0 down with Jedinak or even Terry at the back.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: mr underhill on August 15, 2018, 03:17:13 PM
he's not a right or left back he's a centre back. Looked much better yesterday when played in position.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 15, 2018, 05:18:18 PM
Yes just play him at centre half.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: West Derby Villan on August 15, 2018, 05:48:06 PM
Yes just play him at centre half.

Agree 100%
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Damo70 on August 15, 2018, 07:30:20 PM
Same here. He impresses me at centre back but not nearly as much at full back.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Matt Collins on August 15, 2018, 07:32:19 PM
Plus he may not be perfect but he's better than the competition
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: nrg72 on August 16, 2018, 01:55:38 PM
And he'll get better, whereas the others.....
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on August 17, 2018, 01:49:05 AM
He is decent in the air and is quick. When he gains some confidence, I think he will be much better. At the moment he looks very uncomfortable with the ball. I know he is only young, but coming from Man utd I would of expected a bit more maturity. A certain Wayne Rooney (I know he was exceptional) had been in the England team 3 yrs at his age Ö..
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: footyskillz on August 22, 2018, 09:14:20 AM
Vs Brentford I hope he not starts but he's playing centre half
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Singapore Villa on August 22, 2018, 09:29:33 AM
Dear Steve,

Axel is a centre back, Jedi is not.

Understand?

Cheers,
Singapore Villa.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: footyskillz on August 22, 2018, 10:40:47 PM
Naive for the goals against Brentford tonight .

And then there is general selection issue at the back Tuanzebe maybe needs to move in middle.

I felt he did some outstanding play first half and was solid but twice was found out for goals.

Mivkng forward he was decent and as was most of his defense play but unfortunately the 2 goals were in part to some ball watching and being beaten too easily for 2nd goal
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: footyskillz on August 24, 2018, 08:42:24 AM
Bruce hinted that Tuanzebe could also be moved to the centre in times ahead.

ďMaybe his best position going forward is in the centre, but he can play either side too. We will see.

ďHeís improving all the time and he will be terrific for us.Ē


Maybe Bruce?? Get him in at centre back please
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Rigadon on August 26, 2018, 07:21:13 AM
Maybe Bruce is playing him at right back so he gets game time in a position that is less exposed than centre half?
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Steve67 on August 26, 2018, 09:35:54 AM
He had a hand in all three goals given away this week.  Done twice at home the Brentford and should have won a header, been braver yesterday in the centre of the park and smashed the bloke who beat him so the ball went into the box for Chester to go to ground.  Right back, or centre back, this guy seems riddled with mistakes that need ironing out very quickly.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Villafirst on August 26, 2018, 09:55:05 AM
He had a hand in all three goals given away this week.  Done twice at home the Brentford and should have won a header, been braver yesterday in the centre of the park and smashed the bloke who beat him so the ball went into the box for Chester to go to ground.  Right back, or centre back, this guy seems riddled with mistakes that need ironing out very quickly.

You only seem to see the negatives, he was good overall yesterday, to blame him for Chester's mistake is ridiculous.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Steve67 on August 26, 2018, 11:25:01 PM
He had a hand in all three goals given away this week.  Done twice at home the Brentford and should have won a header, been braver yesterday in the centre of the park and smashed the bloke who beat him so the ball went into the box for Chester to go to ground.  Right back, or centre back, this guy seems riddled with mistakes that need ironing out very quickly.

You only seem to see the negatives, he was good overall yesterday, to blame him for Chester's mistake is ridiculous.

I didn't blame him for Chester's mistake, that was clearly Chester's fault.  However, he should have won a header and been braver in the middle of the park.  I wonder if this is why Bruce doesn't play him at centre back.  He's quick but he's not very brave, or tough.  I don't JUST see the negatives, I see the whole game.  He's ok, he's by no means the finished article, we all accept that.  Sadly, when a player is involved with three negatives in a week, that's what people are likely to see.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 26, 2018, 11:51:46 PM
What has he bought to the squad that we did not have already?
If he is not here to play centre back then send him back.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: sickbeggar on August 26, 2018, 11:52:25 PM
I think its in the loan deal we play him at right-back. Mourinho doesn't rate him as a centre half or he'd be playing for them seeing he's publicly trashed most of the ones he has.  Its pretty obvious we've had to bend over backwards to persuade  premiership clubs to loan us players and indeed persuade the players to come from Bruce's comments, so you either agree or you don't get. Personally i'd tell them to fuck off, but i'm not bruce
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Clampy on August 27, 2018, 10:29:10 AM
Center Back is his best posititon by the look of it but he's done ok at right back as well so far this season.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: garyshawsknee on August 27, 2018, 10:38:54 AM
He has done ok, but it's the fact that we have 4 right backs on the books that makes the decision to play him there so puzzling.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: ozzjim on August 27, 2018, 10:39:21 AM
Play him holding midfield or centre half. He's lost at right back. Full backs need to give you an attacking dimension. Ours give us bugger all.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Ads on August 27, 2018, 10:40:48 AM
I disagree, he's looking increasingly useful going forwards.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Villafirst on August 27, 2018, 11:09:56 AM
I disagree, he's looking increasingly useful going forwards.

Agree, he'll get better with more games. He's only played a handful so far. People are too quick to judge - give the guy another 6 games to get up to speed. Young players will make mistakes,  that's part of the learning curve. He'll be a real asset this season.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Risso on August 27, 2018, 11:21:17 AM
Tuanzebe is a decent player.  He's done OK at right back, but would probably be best at centre back.  But, and it's a big one, is he THAT much better than the four right backs we have already that it was worth bringing him instead of a position where we have far fewer options?  By common consensus, De Laet did well in pre-season, and I think Elmo did a pretty good job at right back last season.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Matt Collins on August 27, 2018, 08:09:04 PM
I think he'll be playing centre back once he's had a few more games under his belt
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: paul_e on August 27, 2018, 09:23:43 PM
Tuanzebe is a decent player.  He's done OK at right back, but would probably be best at centre back.  But, and it's a big one, is he THAT much better than the four right backs we have already that it was worth bringing him instead of a position where we have far fewer options?  By common consensus, De Laet did well in pre-season, and I think Elmo did a pretty good job at right back last season.

The one for me is that Bruce seems completely unwilling to give Bedeau and Suliman any time because, like others, they've not played 'real' football but he was happy to take Tuanzebe who has a similar amount of experience. If he trusted him to play him in position then great but if we're playing a kid out of position ahead of better options then I want us to be the club that benefit from it, not man fucking utd.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Ads on August 27, 2018, 09:25:03 PM
There's something ironic about people who want the managers head bemoaning him not playing a 17 year old at centre half.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: garyshawsknee on August 27, 2018, 09:30:31 PM
Who's 17 ?
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Ads on August 27, 2018, 09:31:45 PM
The nipper from Bury. He may be 18 now.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: garyshawsknee on August 27, 2018, 09:34:24 PM
God I'd completely forgotten about him. I'll put him in the Ivo Stas file.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: paul_e on August 27, 2018, 09:48:11 PM
There's something ironic about people who want the managers head bemoaning him not playing a 17 year old at centre half.

Except that's not what I said is it.  If he plays tuanzebe at centre back then I'm ok with it, but picking him at right back ahead of RDL is fucking stupid and if we're gonig to do fucking stupid things to get kids so experience then why do it with kids who won't give a fuck about us in June?
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Ads on August 27, 2018, 09:59:37 PM
You want Bruce out. It's 5 games in. You're stating it's odd he won't give a 17/18 year old game time. Why do you think, with this sort of pressure and it being his neck on the block that he doesn't gamble with somebody so young and inexperienced?

Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Matt Collins on August 27, 2018, 10:05:29 PM
There's absolutely no way that bedeau is ready
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: LeeB on August 27, 2018, 10:26:07 PM
There's absolutely no way that bedeau is ready

Does anyone else get "On a ragga tip" by SL2 in their head as soon as Bedeau is mentioned?

No, just me then.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: paul_e on August 27, 2018, 11:48:51 PM
You want Bruce out. It's 5 games in. You're stating it's odd he won't give a 17/18 year old game time. Why do you think, with this sort of pressure and it being his neck on the block that he doesn't gamble with somebody so young and inexperienced?

Me wanting him out or not is irrelevant, I want what's best for the club. RDL is a better right back than tuanzebe and was in good form in pre-season, would you agree? If he moves Tuanzebe to centre back in a game or 2 then fine, but if he's still playing right back in another month or 2 then, for me, it's  waste of a loan and just an unnecessary block in front of our own young players.

I agree Bedeau doesn't look ready but I'd have liked to have seen Suliman get some time in the cup games.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 28, 2018, 01:00:16 AM
Itís great that Bruce would rather Help develop Spurs and United players rather than try to develop our own.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Dave P on August 28, 2018, 06:17:12 AM
There's absolutely no way that bedeau is ready

Does anyone else get "On a ragga tip" by SL2 in their head as soon as Bedeau is mentioned?

No, just me then.

I didnít but I do now. Thanks a lot!
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: villabear on August 29, 2018, 04:08:39 AM
So Bruce decided to Ďlook atí Tuanzebe I midfield then last night. Why? Itís not like we havenít got defensive midfielders.

Just read this from the Manchester Evening News regarding his (according to them) poor performance against Brentford last week.

Now just read the last line.



Manchester United player Axel Tuanzebe's difficult start to Aston Villa loan continues

Man Utd loanee Tuanzebe has established himself in Aston Villa's first team, but was arguably at fault for both goals they conceded in a 2-2 draw with Brentford.

Manchester United defender Axel Tuanzebe has had a mixed start to life at Aston Villa, with his performance against Brentford last night featuring two key errors.

Tuanzebe joined Villa for a second spell this summer, having spent the second half of last season on loan at Villa Park.

He has taken the number four shirt for Steve Bruce's side and started both the 3-2 win over Wigan and 1-1 draw at Ipswich - although there were question marks in his role for the Ipswich goal as he appeared to block his own goalkeeper from collecting a simple long-throw that was then finished into an unguarded net.

And he was arguably at fault for both Brentford goals last night as Villa needed a last-minute Jonathan Kodjia header to rescue a 2-2 draw.

Tuanzebe started the game well, initially holding his own against highly-rated Brentford winger Ollie Watkins and standing strong in defence to start counter attacks.

He was caught out for Brentford's opener, though, as he was caught in no-mans's-land for a back-post cross that Watkins knocked down for Neal Maupay to finish.

The full-back continued to push up and down the right flank, and Villa equalised as half-time approached.

In the second half, Tuanzebe was again beaten by Watkins, who was allowed to advance and produce a fierce shot with Maupay on hand to knock in the rebound.

Villa needed a response and Tuanzebe was immediately substituted for midfielder Conor Hourihane - perhaps reflective of his poor performance against Watkins.

In the end, Kodjia's injury-time equaliser rescued Villa, but Tuanzebe will need to up his game in future because there are several handy wingers such as Watkins in the Championship.

Still, if anyone can improve a young defender, it is Steve Bruce.



Really?



Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: London Villan on August 29, 2018, 07:06:29 AM
Interesting viewpoint. Tough audience.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: aj2k77 on August 29, 2018, 10:36:13 AM
He has been shite at right back so far, Watkins murdered him and he looks about as brave physically as Stuart Downing.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Damo70 on August 29, 2018, 10:38:43 AM
He has been shite at right back so far, Watkins murdered him and he looks about as brave physically as Stuart Downing.

I can't think of a bigger insult than being compared to Stuart 'Hamster Bollox' Downing when it comes to bravery (or lack of).
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: paul_e on August 29, 2018, 11:31:57 AM
Shite is a bit too harsh, I'd go with lost, he just doesn't seem to know where he's supposed to be at times, and with inexperience around him (Jedi out of position and Elmo in a role he doesn't suit) he's not getting enough support from someone like Chester  to fix those mistakes during the game.

This is what i was getting at the other day, I quite like the look of Tuanzebe but only as a centre back, if we're not playing him there then he's not good enough to be in the team anywhere else whilst Bruce decides if he'll let him play in his proper position.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: TheMalandro on August 29, 2018, 11:44:35 AM
I can understand loaning young, attacking prospects but asking a twenty year old to be a mainstay in the championship is stupid.
Why not go for somebody like Kalas - as Bristol did?
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Matt Collins on August 30, 2018, 04:52:05 AM
I just don't agree he's been bad at right back

I do agree he needs to be better in physical battles and perhaps this is why he's not playing at centre back yet

Sorry I didn't mean that. I meant

Bruce is a fucking idiot. He doesn't know what he's doing. He'd probably play messi at right back. He just loves tuanzebe because he hates youngsters from Birmingham. He's only loaned him out as a favour to man u. He looks like a potato. I know more about him than football
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: brontebilly on August 30, 2018, 10:43:50 AM
From what I've seen, he seems to have the positional sense of Richards and suspect courage levels to boot. A decent athlete but that's it. Bruce playing him right back beggars belief
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: paul_e on August 30, 2018, 11:36:40 AM
I just don't agree he's been bad at right back

I do agree he needs to be better in physical battles and perhaps this is why he's not playing at centre back yet

Sorry I didn't mean that. I meant

Bruce is a fucking idiot. He doesn't know what he's doing. He'd probably play messi at right back. He just loves tuanzebe because he hates youngsters from Birmingham. He's only loaned him out as a favour to man u. He looks like a potato. I know more about him than football

Is he the best right back at the club?

If the answer to that is no then, given he's here on loan, he shouldn't be playing there because we shouldn't be retraining a youngster into a new position for another club. Loans, for us, should be about getting in players who are better than we have and improve the team.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 31, 2018, 05:15:11 PM
I do agree he needs to be better in physical battles and perhaps this is why he's not playing at centre back yet 

I see that but why not put Jedi back into his defensive midfielder role to give Axel a bit of support against the more physical strikers. It worked for Terry and Chester last season, why not try it again?

Against less physical and more mobile strikers Axel should be able to hold his own allowing Bruce to use Whelan or Thor to play in front of the defence.

The other major benefit is we can choose from one of our 18 right backs to actually play in their preferred position.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: aj2k77 on September 01, 2018, 07:56:47 PM
This kid really isn't good enough right now to be anywhere near the team, considering how many right backs we have, it's madness.

Taxi for Bruce.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: sickbeggar on September 01, 2018, 08:01:58 PM
The whole defence is a complete clusterfuck. The truly baffling part is its been solely engineered by Bruce. It's like he wants to be sacked.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Ian. on September 01, 2018, 10:15:10 PM
I do agree he needs to be better in physical battles and perhaps this is why he's not playing at centre back yet 

I see that but why not put Jedi back into his defensive midfielder role to give Axel a bit of support against the more physical strikers. It worked for Terry and Chester last season, why not try it again?

Against less physical and more mobile strikers Axel should be able to hold his own allowing Bruce to use Whelan or Thor to play in front of the defence.

The other major benefit is we can choose from one of our 18 right backs to actually play in their preferred position.
Youíd think so wouldnít you? But thatís too fucking obvious for this twat.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Steve67 on September 01, 2018, 11:29:55 PM
I think he also has a touch of the 'can't be bothereds' as he's doing us a favour.  Just my view, no proof of that of course.  Been pretty poor overall so far but is young and will hopefully learn as he goes. 
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Ads on September 01, 2018, 11:34:02 PM
He's really poor in the air. Got beat today, got beat by Watkins.

Surely a coaching issue about positioning and the like as I was towards the front and he is a huge specimen. There's no reason he shouldn't be able to compete.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: paul_e on September 02, 2018, 12:21:15 AM
He's really poor in the air. Got beat today, got beat by Watkins.

Surely a coaching issue about positioning and the like as I was towards the front and he is a huge specimen. There's no reason he shouldn't be able to compete.

Both times he was too narrow and gave the defender a 'run' on him.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: ChicagoLion on September 02, 2018, 12:27:03 AM
Based on what I have seen he is not even the 4 th best RB at the club.
Baffling.

Who is benefiting from him playing at RB?
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 02, 2018, 01:13:11 AM
I just don't agree he's been bad at right back

I do agree he needs to be better in physical battles and perhaps this is why he's not playing at centre back yet

Sorry I didn't mean that. I meant

Bruce is a fucking idiot. He doesn't know what he's doing. He'd probably play messi at right back. He just loves tuanzebe because he hates youngsters from Birmingham. He's only loaned him out as a favour to man u. He looks like a potato. I know more about him than football

This hasn't aged well.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: sickbeggar on September 02, 2018, 01:20:23 AM
Based on what I have seen he is not even the 4 th best RB at the club.
Baffling.

Who is benefiting from him playing at RB?

Man United? I still think its in his loan deal that we play him there - it's the only sane explanation. When Bruce was being interviewed by WM he was wittering on about missing out on the french kid, and i just thought, why doesn't the interviewer point out he has a centre half playing at right back. I mean are they just being polite in the face of stupidity or do they genuinely have no idea about our squad at all? And it's not just WM. NONE of the media ask him -is it off limits to point it out?
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: eamonn on September 02, 2018, 01:50:48 AM
I wish Pat Murphy did more of our pressers. He's the only journalist who doesn't care about prickly managers and actually holds them to account. Would love to see him in boxing ring with Mourinho, seven rounds at most.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 02, 2018, 05:48:16 AM
This kid really isn't good enough right now to be anywhere near the team, considering how many right backs we have, it's madness.

Taxi for Bruce.

I just cant get my head round it.

Loaning him when we have elmo , Bree and RDL .. Its just stupid.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: OzVilla on September 02, 2018, 06:02:55 AM
This kid really isn't good enough right now to be anywhere near the team, considering how many right backs we have, it's madness.

Taxi for Bruce.

I just cant get my head round it.

Loaning him when we have elmo , Bree and RDL .. Its just stupid.

Well its not if you play him at CB.  To loan him in and then not play him at CB but instead play him in a position where you have players already proven is madness, particularly when you then play a DM who has always looked out of his depth at CB at CB.  Actually, it's more than is madness, its verging on self sabotage. 
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: JD on September 02, 2018, 08:27:11 AM
This kid really isn't good enough right now to be anywhere near the team, considering how many right backs we have, it's madness.

Taxi for Bruce.

I just cant get my head round it.

Loaning him when we have elmo , Bree and RDL .. Its just stupid.

Well its not if you play him at CB.  To loan him in and then not play him at CB but instead play him in a position where you have players already proven is madness, particularly when you then play a DM who has always looked out of his depth at CB at CB.  Actually, it's more than is madness, its verging on self sabotage. 


Totally agree. It is worse than madness.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 02, 2018, 08:41:17 AM
This kid really isn't good enough right now to be anywhere near the team, considering how many right backs we have, it's madness.

Taxi for Bruce.

I just cant get my head round it.

Loaning him when we have elmo , Bree and RDL .. Its just stupid.

Well its not if you play him at CB.  To loan him in and then not play him at CB but instead play him in a position where you have players already proven is madness, particularly when you then play a DM who has always looked out of his depth at CB at CB.  Actually, it's more than is madness, its verging on self sabotage. 


thats my point as he is not going to play him at CB , He even used Bree in the cup at CB and put axel in bloody midfield where we have 126 midfielders ....  he has lost the plot,
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Brassneck on September 02, 2018, 11:36:37 AM
I had no objection with Axel playing RB for a few games in order to bring him up to speed.  Especially as Elmo has been covering at RM.

However, Axel looks a million miles off being ready to partner Chester.  I'd go as far as to say that Bree is a better option at this point in time.  I thought that at Burton, only Bree came out of the game with any credit.

I really don't know what the answer is but currently, I'd go Elmo Chester Jedi and Hutton across the back.  I fear that Axel has to play under the terms of his loan agreement.  At this point in time, I'd be happy for a new manager to come in and play our strongest back 4 (which isn't great anyway).  If that means Man U recalling Axel then so be it.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Risso on September 02, 2018, 12:11:04 PM
I had no objection with Axel playing RB for a few games in order to bring him up to speed.  Especially as Elmo has been covering at RM.

However, Axel looks a million miles off being ready to partner Chester.  I'd go as far as to say that Bree is a better option at this point in time.  I thought that at Burton, only Bree came out of the game with any credit.

I really don't know what the answer is but currently, I'd go Elmo Chester Jedi and Hutton across the back.  I fear that Axel has to play under the terms of his loan agreement.  At this point in time, I'd be happy for a new manager to come in and play our strongest back 4 (which isn't great anyway).  If that means Man U recalling Axel then so be it.

Jedinak is awful at the back though.  OK he can head a ball half the length of the pitch, but he has no legs whatsoever, no positional awareness, no speed of thought and no ability to distribute the ball.  He's been dreadful in every single game he's played there.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 02, 2018, 12:32:29 PM
Axel is good enough to play centre half for Man Utd in the Champions League and England U21s but not good enough to play there for the Villa?
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Mister E on September 02, 2018, 12:38:31 PM
Axel is good enough to play centre half for Man Utd in the Champions League and England U21s but not good enough to play there for the Villa?
you'd have to ask Bruce that one!
Bree, RDL and Hutton - as well as Axel - could all play CB better than Jedi; it's not like Bruce has no options at all!
It is a disgrace that Bruce and Calderwood between them cannot put a decent defence out (shit, he had the option of playing Axel at CB at Burton and turned that down!); it is the absolute minimum we should rightly expect. We may have only lost once in the league so far, but we have certainly conceded some stupid frigging goals.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: brontebilly on September 02, 2018, 01:37:02 PM
Axel is good enough to play centre half for Man Utd in the Champions League and England U21s but not good enough to play there for the Villa?

How many games did he play at centre half for Man Utd ? I'm guessing less than 5...
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 02, 2018, 01:49:23 PM
Axel is good enough to play centre half for Man Utd in the Champions League and England U21s but not good enough to play there for the Villa?

Amazingly a former excellent CB cannot identify the qualities needed in a CB. A bit like Lambert, who was very good as a player not knowing what a good midfielder looked like. Just bizarre.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Brassneck on September 02, 2018, 02:49:37 PM
Axel is good enough to play centre half for Man Utd in the Champions League and England U21s but not good enough to play there for the Villa?

If Axel was good enough to play in the CL, I can assure you that he wouldn't be at Villa today.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 02, 2018, 03:18:39 PM
Axel is good enough to play centre half for Man Utd in the Champions League and England U21s but not good enough to play there for the Villa?

If Axel was good enough to play in the CL, I can assure you that he wouldn't be at Villa today.

He's already played in the CL, albeit one game last season before joining us.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: mr underhill on September 02, 2018, 03:37:24 PM
Bruce's management of this kid has been utterly ludicrous, beyond egregious. The trouble is, in the brief time he was fit and with us last season, he never looked a PL quality player to me and he doesn't now - but that could be directly attributable to Bruce's appalling handling  of the lad.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: aj2k77 on September 02, 2018, 06:34:29 PM
Tuanzebe would be destroyed physically by Championship Center Forwards, he looks under the cosh just from wingers, the lad hasn't the heart yet for a physical battle, it would be murder having him center back.

The loan signing was poorly thought out. Atrocious management decisions again.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 02, 2018, 08:06:46 PM
He played 20 mins in 1 game in the CL, it's like saying the likes of Tonev, Toner, Bowery etc are good enough for the Premier League because they played in it. If he was currently good enough for the CL he wouldn't be spending a second season on loan in Division 2.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 02, 2018, 08:19:57 PM
It's not really if you think about it.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Risso on September 02, 2018, 08:22:49 PM
If Bruce doesn't think Tuanzebe is good or strong enough to play centre back, then his lack of signings to strengthen that department on top of letting Elphick go is tantamount to gross negligence.  My concern now is that another manager might look at the squad and think that there's no way he's getting a tune out of that defence and give us a swerve.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 02, 2018, 08:29:15 PM
Yes, it is. One 20 minute sub appearance doesn't mean he's good enough for the CL. Same as a few appearances in the PL for Kevin Toner didn't mean he was good enough for the PL. And I don't think he played CB in that appearance as he replaced Valencia.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Ian. on September 02, 2018, 08:38:28 PM
The blokes a complete and utter fool. We have no centre backs and the bloke heís signed is not up to it.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 02, 2018, 09:28:44 PM
Yes, it is. One 20 minute sub appearance doesn't mean he's good enough for the CL. Same as a few appearances in the PL for Kevin Toner didn't mean he was good enough for the PL. And I don't think he played CB in that appearance as he replaced Valencia.

Nobody said he did or was. The only point of not is he is highly rated by Man Utd but they have twice as many centre halves as we have right backs. He's only played 8 games for them if you ignore friendlies this summer. Still, he's only 20 but what I struggle with is he seems to have been brought in to play right back. As a centre half he's more of your ball playing it out of defence than a hoof merchant, so it makes even less sense, at least right now with our current manager.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: ChicagoLion on September 07, 2018, 12:30:17 AM
The blokes a complete and utter fool. We have no centre backs and the bloke heís signed is not up to it.
Yep.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: villabear on September 12, 2018, 11:22:42 PM
Question and answer with Tuanzebe on official site with such probing journalism as ďWhatís Jon Kodjia really like Ė looks a real character?Ē and ďHow good can Jack Grealish be?Ē.

They did forgot to ask ďwhy oh why arenít you playing centre half?Ē

Link
https://www.avfc.co.uk/News/2018/09/12/one-on-one-axel-tuanzebe
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: tomd2103 on September 13, 2018, 01:20:54 AM
Tuanzebe would be destroyed physically by Championship Center Forwards, he looks under the cosh just from wingers, the lad hasn't the heart yet for a physical battle, it would be murder having him center back.

The loan signing was poorly thought out. Atrocious management decisions again.

Yep.  I could have understood the decision to bring him back on loan if it was felt he had shown enough last season to suggest he would feature at centre half, but to bring him back and play him at right back where we already have four senior options there (three of them arguably better than him in that position) is inexplicable.  Bit like signing a substitute keeper on loan and him using up one of the matchday loan spots when there are gaping holes in the team. 
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Hookeysmith on September 14, 2018, 12:28:17 PM
Might it be possible that United see him as a RB and have dictated that for the length of the loan that is where he should play and Bruce was just happy to have him back?

It seems the only credible reason behind keeping him at RB as he is not even the best one we have for that position
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Mister E on September 14, 2018, 12:36:28 PM
The decision to bring him back is so strange one might be tempted to think Bruce is on the take from Mancu.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: footyskillz on October 03, 2018, 12:42:09 PM
By all accounts think he was decent yesterday and he showed nice appreciation towards the holte and respectful.
Think as centre back looked useful .
Also seemed to be involved in the 96th min penalty taking debate. I like that in some ways .

Anyway expect him to get a run especially with chester out
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 23, 2018, 10:08:36 PM
Excellent tonight, by miles our best player. It shows the absolute folly of Bruce playing Jedi in front of him.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Matt Collins on October 23, 2018, 10:52:44 PM
Yep
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: tomd2103 on October 24, 2018, 03:34:01 PM
Thought he had a good game last night.  Quick, strong and pretty composed throughout.     
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: themossman on October 27, 2018, 06:35:44 PM
Overall good again last night I thought. Composed on the ball, some nice improvised defending of the kind good centre backs need to be able to fall back on. As above, yet more evidence of the madness of king Steve.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 27, 2018, 07:00:39 PM
I'm amazed he looks a lot better at CB than he did as a RB. Thanks, you spud faced tool.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 27, 2018, 07:05:22 PM
Yep I like him, and heís a damn sight more assured than Chester at the moment.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Mister E on October 27, 2018, 07:15:51 PM
He shows promise as CB but desperately needs a decent FB and LCB with him.
Terry needs to earn his dosh with our back four right now.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 03, 2018, 01:55:41 PM
I think he has the makings of a very fine centre half. He makes the odd mistake, but thatís to be expected, heís got a lot of great attributes. Shame Bruce wasted so many games not having him at centre back.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 03, 2018, 01:59:05 PM
Heís going become a very cultured CB in time. Heís very young still and has only a few games under his belt. The partnership with Chester is improving every game. We still off course need two better FBís and a more competent keeper.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Risso on November 03, 2018, 03:16:10 PM
The clearance he made towards the end of the game was sublime.  In like an absolute Exocet missile before their forward even knew what hit him.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: tomd2103 on November 03, 2018, 03:32:35 PM
Is really starting to settle in now.  From what Iíve seen so far, he is quick, strong and reads the game pretty well.  He seems to be pretty comfortable on the ball and if he can keep that side of his game pretty simple he should have all the tools to be a good centre half really.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: wittonwarrior on November 03, 2018, 04:20:32 PM
Think it just goes to show what some players can produce when they are played in their "position"
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 03, 2018, 04:45:02 PM
Not just that. But also when heís not asked to whack it long constantly which then more often than invites the ball back towards our defence. That along with an actual defensive game plan and promoting a passing game shows that heís actually a very talented player.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: VancouverLion on November 03, 2018, 05:19:57 PM
Not just that. But also when heís not asked to whack it long constantly which then more often than invites the ball back towards our defence. That along with an actual defensive game plan and promoting a passing game shows that heís actually a very talented player.
The commentator alluded to that a few times last night, like he was purposely having a dig at Bruce.
Bless him.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: VancouverLion on November 03, 2018, 05:23:12 PM
Ooops sorry meant to quote wittonwarrior, players in their correct position.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: manic-road on December 23, 2018, 01:10:37 PM
Dean Smith has just confirmed that Axel is out for a number of weeks, we need reinforcements at centre half urgently now. 
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Steve67 on December 23, 2018, 01:24:20 PM
Well done Bruce!
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on December 23, 2018, 03:00:51 PM
Broken metatarsal.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on December 23, 2018, 03:18:16 PM
Does this means he goes back to his parent club for his rehab?
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 23, 2018, 03:21:47 PM
Does this means he goes back to his parent club for his rehab?

No heís contracted to us for the season
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on December 23, 2018, 03:23:07 PM
Does this means he goes back to his parent club for his rehab?

No heís contracted to us for the season
Thanks
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: achilles on December 23, 2018, 05:57:53 PM
Perhaps see him back for March 2019 then?

The situation regarding our defence is horrendous.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 23, 2018, 06:01:29 PM
Broken metatarsal.

Will be out for more than a few weeks then.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 23, 2018, 06:02:17 PM
Does this means he goes back to his parent club for his rehab?

No heís contracted to us for the season

I think in fairness to VCTM when loan players get long term injuries they do usually go back to their parent club for rehab.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on December 23, 2018, 06:04:26 PM
He has gone back to Yanited for treatment apparently.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on December 23, 2018, 06:44:52 PM


If the lad is going to be out for a couple of months then we really need to try and get his loan terminated by mutual consent just to free up another loan place in the squad for another to come in
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Risso on December 23, 2018, 06:51:12 PM


If the lad is going to be out for a couple of months then we really need to try and get his loan terminated by mutual consent just to free up another loan place in the squad for another to come in

I'm not too sure about the loan rules.  Isn't it that you can have as many as you like, but can only have so many in the match day squad?  If that is the case, if he's injured then it doesn't actually matter if he's still here from a taking up space point of view.  I could be entirely wrong though.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 23, 2018, 07:34:01 PM


If the lad is going to be out for a couple of months then we really need to try and get his loan terminated by mutual consent just to free up another loan place in the squad for another to come in

Been playing well for me so I'd rather still have him as an option come March time for the run in.

We already needed a CB even if he'd stayed fit remember.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: jwarry on December 23, 2018, 07:36:55 PM
Real shame this as I think he was becoming/is our best defender. But hey ho time to build our own
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: sickbeggar on December 23, 2018, 07:42:32 PM
yep. could be a blessing in disguise long term. Tired of paying to be a nursery for other club's youth players and then seeing them sold on. Doesn't make financial sense and i'm not sure if it makes sense playing wise.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: paul_e on December 23, 2018, 07:45:06 PM


If the lad is going to be out for a couple of months then we really need to try and get his loan terminated by mutual consent just to free up another loan place in the squad for another to come in

I'm not too sure about the loan rules.  Isn't it that you can have as many as you like, but can only have so many in the match day squad?  If that is the case, if he's injured then it doesn't actually matter if he's still here from a taking up space point of view.  I could be entirely wrong though.

Nop-e, you're spot on, no point cancelling the loan if he has a chance of coming back for the end of the season, might be useful in the playoffs if nothing else.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Brassneck on December 23, 2018, 07:59:31 PM
I'm not convinced that we could cancel the loan anyway.  A similar scenario occurred a few seasons back with Jermaine jenas when were were obliged to honour his wages after he was sidelined with a long term injury.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Villafirst on December 23, 2018, 09:15:15 PM
Put another bid in for McKenna on a permanent deal and recall Elphick. That will strengthen the defensive options. Not sure we'd get Cahill now? The main blame for the defensive frailties still rests with Steve Bruce. You could see this coming on 31st August.....
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: myf on December 23, 2018, 09:37:30 PM
yep. could be a blessing in disguise long term. Tired of paying to be a nursery for other club's youth players and then seeing them sold on. Doesn't make financial sense and i'm not sure if it makes sense playing wise.

This. we're currently reliant on Tammy, Taunzebe, and Bolasie all loanees. we had the same problem when we lost the play off. Id like to see us building for next year including a few of the kids rather than buying or loaning loads of new players
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: darren woolley on December 24, 2018, 09:40:38 AM
Shame he's out for a while really started to play well for us I like him hope he comes back to us before the end of the season.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Matt Collins on December 24, 2018, 09:59:25 AM
I'd assume it would be 6-8 weeks?

Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Nastylee on December 24, 2018, 10:22:40 AM
It looks certain Tommy will be back. Since the deal allows a recall from Dec 31, do
 you reckon he could turn out on New Year's day?
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Villafirst on December 24, 2018, 11:32:52 AM
It looks certain Tommy will be back. Since the deal allows a recall from Dec 31, do
 you reckon he could turn out on New Year's day?

He's played well apparently at Hull. I don't think Bruce treated him well at all.  Unforgivable to send him out on loan on 31st August. Hopefully DS will treat him much better. A cert to return in a few days.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on December 24, 2018, 11:36:34 AM


We aren't going anywhere if we're going to rely on Elphick. People must have short memories around here.

If we haven't already got one CB signing lined up (even before the Axel news) then i can only assume we haven't got two pennies to rub together next month. I fully expect we have as it's been glaringly obvious we need at least one for months on end
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Ads on December 24, 2018, 11:38:46 AM
Elphick isn't brilliant, but he's better than Bree and Jedinak or thin air at centre half.

Recall him. He's made a few mistakes at Hull but has by and large played well.

It would be reckless to ignore him and RDL. He isn't the long term solution but he is a solution to the short term Bruce manufactured crisis.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: OCD on December 24, 2018, 12:15:22 PM
Mitchell Clark is meant to be playing really well. Maybe we recall both but if we have deals lined up and only need to recall 1, Clark might be the better option.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on December 24, 2018, 01:02:23 PM
Dominic Revan is apparently close to starting.  I would  have started him yesterday instead of Bree in the Centre.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Nastylee on December 24, 2018, 03:55:44 PM
Tommy is not a long term solution, agreed. But given our situation we have little choice. He came in last year when JT was injured and did a good job. Some fans even suggested he was harshly treated when he made way for a fit again Terry.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: mr underhill on December 24, 2018, 03:58:01 PM
Samba looked better imo
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 24, 2018, 06:14:13 PM
I'd assume it would be 6-8 weeks?



Mikhitayran got similar injury for Arsenal and they've ruled him out for 6 weeks.

Doubt we'll see him again until March but no reason at all to terminate the loan. We needed another CB anyway and he'll become an option for us in the run in depending on how well or not his replacement does.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 24, 2018, 06:15:36 PM
Dominic Revan is apparently close to starting.  I would  have started him yesterday instead of Bree in the Centre.

Interesting he's the one DS seems to have plumped for from the youths. I would've thought Jacob Bedeau would've been the obvious choice given he did play the odd game for Bury in league 1 at very young age.

For anyone who watches reserves/yoff is Revan seen as rising star?

Edit: Just looked at Bedeau's wiki. Played 7 games for Bury in 16/17 (made his debut at 16) and we signed him for 900k in January 2017. 2 and a half year deal so his contract is actually up end of season.

Only turned 19 today but has his progress not been as expected?
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Matt Collins on December 24, 2018, 06:24:52 PM
I haven't seen much of the under 23s but when I did, bedeau didn't look at all ready. He doesn't look physically ready as much as anything
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 24, 2018, 06:28:14 PM
I haven't seen much of the under 23s but when I did, bedeau didn't look at all ready. He doesn't look physically ready as much as anything

Interesting though when he was playing in league 1 at age of 16 which is obviously far more physical than under 23 football.

This was also said about Suliman when he had a loan spell the other season. I assume Revan is more advanced in that regard.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Matt Collins on December 24, 2018, 06:42:52 PM
Sulliman has apparently played a grand total of 9 minutes across 3 games for FC Emmen.. 
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 24, 2018, 07:08:36 PM
Sulliman has apparently played a grand total of 9 minutes across 3 games for FC Emmen.. 

Also massively struggled at Cheltenham last season. Just seems to have been hyped because he captained England at one of the age groups.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Matt Collins on December 24, 2018, 10:23:17 PM
I think he still does to be fair

Might be a case of a more technical defender taking longer to be physically ready

But if I were to bet, he won't make it
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: footyskillz on December 27, 2018, 02:27:11 AM
Axel Tuanzebe is out for a while confirmed by Smith that he's back at Manchester United as he has a broken metatarsal so injury means he unlikely to be playing for a bit.

Even more pressing to bring in central back experience like Cahill ,jageilka or scott dann .

Hope Tuanzabe makes good recovery as he really progressed so shame he's injured both for him and the club
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Axl Rose on December 27, 2018, 06:11:20 AM
Scott Dann?
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: brentastonb6 on December 27, 2018, 11:16:55 PM
Axel Tuanzebe is out for a while confirmed by Smith that he's back at Manchester United as he has a broken metatarsal so injury means he unlikely to be playing for a bit.

Even more pressing to bring in central back experience like Cahill ,jageilka or scott dann .

Hope Tuanzabe makes good recovery as he really progressed so shame he's injured both for him and the club
My eight year old son named all those three as potential replacements too so you must be right lol 😂
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 01, 2019, 06:46:31 PM
DS said Axel will most likely be out for 8-10 weeks.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: footyskillz on February 14, 2019, 03:27:50 PM
So the 8-10 weeks would see him back in March
Hes been mentioned in various threads as a potential DM and a centre back patner ship to Mings

Hopefully fit in time for the pivotal matches for one or more of following

Derby
Forest
Birmingham
Middlesboro
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: mr underhill on February 14, 2019, 04:40:03 PM
and in the twinkling of an eye he'll then be back at the OT. such a shame that both of his loans to us have been undermined by injury and the idiocy of playing him out of position.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on February 15, 2019, 09:48:10 AM
I'm not sure when Axel will be back but he might be worth a go as dm. As he's not currently in the team some on here write about him as though he's indispensible like Grealish or Tammy. The guy seems injury prone, he's a better cb than rb and he's certainly better than jedinak in that position, but we still shipped a lot of goals with axel there. He can't head, his positional sense needs work and he doesn't cover his rb. That said the attributes he does have may be better suited in front of the back four (he can tackle, he's calm on the ball, he can move forward with it). That could be his position certainly at championshop level.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Clampy on February 15, 2019, 10:00:08 AM
I hope we can do a deal with Man Utd to buy him. I've no idea how much they'd want for him although his injury record so far is a bit of a worry.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 15, 2019, 10:20:40 AM
Would imagine he'll be back soon as surely the loan would've been terminated otherwise?
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Clark W Griswold on February 15, 2019, 12:03:29 PM
I hope we can do a deal with Man Utd to buy him. I've no idea how much they'd want for him although his injury record so far is a bit of a worry.

Yes, from a football point of view he's exactly the type of player we should be signing but I think in something like 10 playing months he's been with us, he's been fit for less than 5. For that reason I'd look elsewhere.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Diablo on February 15, 2019, 01:19:49 PM
Not sure what his other injuries are but I think a broken metatarsal is just one of those things? I doubt he'd suffer that again? Don't think Rooney or Beckham had problems following their injuries. Don't you get a pin put in?
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Villa75 on February 15, 2019, 02:01:46 PM
Would imagine he'll be back soon as surely the loan would've been terminated otherwise?

I'm not sure you can injure someone else's player then send them back, with a note saying "no thanks".😂
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on February 15, 2019, 02:05:35 PM
Would imagine he'll be back soon as surely the loan would've been terminated otherwise?

I'm not sure you can injure someone else's player then send them back, with a note saying "no thanks".😂

If he was out for the season then heíd have been sent back to recover at his parent club as there would be no reason for him to stay.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: frank black on February 15, 2019, 02:09:21 PM
Would imagine he'll be back soon as surely the loan would've been terminated otherwise?

I'm not sure you can injure someone else's player then send them back, with a note saying "no thanks".😂

If he was out for the season then heíd have been sent back to recover at his parent club as there would be no reason for him to stay.

I believe thatís exactly where he is now. Man U sorted his operation and recovery as youíd expect I suppose. Not sure if he back yet?
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: London Villan on February 17, 2019, 10:08:25 PM
Could he play in front of the back 4?
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 17, 2019, 10:37:29 PM
Could he play in front of the back 4?

Yes, I think so.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on February 18, 2019, 03:46:01 PM
I very much doubt we will see him in a Villa shirt again - but I'd love to be proved wrong
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: mr underhill on February 18, 2019, 04:06:23 PM
you might be right, both loans to us have been cut very short by injury.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Mister E on February 18, 2019, 07:12:09 PM
I very much doubt we will see him in a Villa shirt again - but I'd love to be proved wrong
Unless Yanited want his fitness proved next season and are happy to put  him out to loan again.
However, the new management team may feel that loans will not support long-term squad development; who knows, at this stage.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Villafirst on February 24, 2019, 08:50:25 AM
Tuanzebe has posted on Instagram that he's close to fitness and will return soon - early next month. So much for people saying he won't play for us again this season!
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Risso on February 24, 2019, 08:54:58 AM
Tuanzebe has posted on Instagram that he's close to fitness and will return soon - early next month. So much for people saying he won't play for us again this season!

Great, he might be back for that all important 15th place six pointer with Millwall.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: London Villan on February 24, 2019, 09:11:58 AM
We can get him fit for his transfer to a premier league team.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on February 24, 2019, 09:47:55 AM
Tuanzebe has posted on Instagram that he's close to fitness and will return soon - early next month. So much for people saying he won't play for us again this season!
a bit like Grealish then .........
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 24, 2019, 10:48:17 AM
Him and Mings would be excellent I think. Mings to win the headers and be the dominant CB and Axel can drop off and read the game more, both comfortable with the ball.

Think that's the sort of combination that would've got us into the play offs if we'd had both in August.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: mr underhill on February 24, 2019, 11:03:28 AM
autos very possibly - what the fuck was Bruce thinking off, playing him at right back and Jedi at CB. One of many incomprehensible decisions that handicapped us from the get go.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: brontebilly on February 24, 2019, 11:51:22 AM
autos very possibly - what the fuck was Bruce thinking off, playing him at right back and Jedi at CB. One of many incomprehensible decisions that handicapped us from the get go.

We still conceded goals by the bucket full with Tuanzebe at centre back. Very good player on the ball, particularly in comparison to the Jedi, but pace aside he wasn't much of a defender. Was roasted in particular against Forest by Grabban. Right back he was rubbish, that was a nonsense Bruce fudge.

We miss him more with the ball, he was very comfortable stepping into midfield, helping the likes of Hourihane. That's not Elphicks game, arguably Elphick has improved us defensively though.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Steve67 on February 24, 2019, 12:41:41 PM
Yes, Tuanzebe is another one of those players who seems to have got better by not playing.  He is quick and useful on the ball but was also guilty of lacking concentration and we conceded plenty of goals with him in the side.  That said, I'd like to see him at right back, alongside Chester, Mings and Hause. 
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 24, 2019, 01:35:13 PM
He may now end up playing RB with Hutton gone. I wouldnít break up Mings/Elphick at this point. That or at DM
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Villafirst on February 24, 2019, 01:36:17 PM
I see, Tuanzebe is rubbish now! He was playing alongside Chester who was clearly not fit. Even so, the partnership was beginning to flourish. Some ridiculous comments!
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Steve67 on February 24, 2019, 03:39:08 PM
I see, Tuanzebe is rubbish now! He was playing alongside Chester who was clearly not fit. Even so, the partnership was beginning to flourish. Some ridiculous comments!

Has someone said that?  Or are they simply pointing out the faults he had prior to him getting injured?
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 24, 2019, 03:46:43 PM
He was getting better prior to his injuries. But our defence overall all season long has suffered from terrible backs, a very inconsistent GK and one CB playing on the wrong side. There is only so much AT or any top CB for that matter could have done about all of that.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 11, 2019, 08:58:28 PM
Back in training today. Great news and hopefully back soon for the run in.

As much as he is a better CB, with him at RB a back four of him, a healthy Chester, Mings and Hause is very, very solid.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: brontebilly on March 11, 2019, 10:17:51 PM
Back in training today. Great news and hopefully back soon for the run in.

As much as he is a better CB, with him at RB a back four of him, a healthy Chester, Mings and Hause is very, very solid.

He was rubbish when he played RB for us. Either him or Chester should be fine next to Mings though.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 11, 2019, 10:34:29 PM
He wasnít rubbish at all. He is just a better CB. And between Elmo and AT at a RB even a rubbish AT is an upgrade to an ace Elmo.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: darren woolley on March 12, 2019, 09:47:18 AM
Axel will improve our defence 100% no doubt about it so we should be solid at the back even more so with him in the team.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 13, 2019, 01:53:56 AM
Back in contention to start by the end of the month.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Matt Collins on March 13, 2019, 06:31:24 AM
He was playing brilliantly before the injury, if not flawlessly

Think hjm and hause as full backs would be a bit defensive.

I think hed play ahead of Chester at CB based on form this season. No sign of Chester being fit anyway that I can see
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 26, 2019, 01:35:34 PM
Rumours that Axel will be with us again next season
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Villafirst on March 26, 2019, 02:49:29 PM
Yes, good news with Axel rumoured to be signed again for next season. If we can keep Mings, that'll be some backline.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: olaftab on March 26, 2019, 02:54:23 PM
Axel and Tyrone will be the Beckenbauer and Maldini of the Championship.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: mallo on March 26, 2019, 03:16:51 PM
Axel and Tyrone will be the Beckenbauer and Maldini of the Championship.

Don't you mean the Premiership ;-)
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: olaftab on March 26, 2019, 03:21:29 PM
Oops...sorry how silly of me.YES the Premier League.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on March 26, 2019, 04:01:19 PM

Great news if true. Axel, Chester and Hause and the new French right back is a pretty nifty looking back four.

Absolutely no way we're keeping Mings if we stay down so i'm not even entertaining that idea until i see where we finish.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: eamonn on March 26, 2019, 05:28:59 PM
Will Axel split up our two big fellas at the back?
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: footyskillz on March 26, 2019, 05:57:23 PM
I not sure if Tuanzebe should come in at his preferred  centre half .
I really wasn't liking his defending in that 5th goal by Forest and Grabban . Really basic stuff and he struggled physically to contain Grabban and did not prevent the goal
I think he could add something as a DM however I wonder how well he can learn and adapt the role.
Right back could be a situation or a 3rd central defender (unlikely but maybe when preserving a lead and final 5 /10 mins.
Tuanzebe adds another dimension and I think on the ball he's decent for this level as a central defender bringing ball out from the back.
And he's not exactly a bad option however I feel Smith will stick with current pairing till Chester comes back.
Tuanzebe will have to bide time.
For balance though Tuanzebe could well come in and that Hause gets shifted to left back or the bench . That would depend on Taylor form.
So I wouldn't
Smith may bring him as a right centre half.
Chester though I think would defo come in for same reason as Tuanzebe and Chessie has the experience and leadership m know how
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Villafirst on March 26, 2019, 06:05:33 PM
I not sure if Tuanzebe should come in at his preferred  centre half .
I really wasn't liking his defending in that 5th goal by Forest and Grabban . Really basic stuff and he struggled physically to contain Grabban and did not prevent the goal
I think he could add something as a DM however I wonder how well he can learn and adapt the role.
Right back could be a situation or a 3rd central defender (unlikely but maybe when preserving a lead and final 5 /10 mins.
Tuanzebe adds another dimension and I think on the ball he's decent for this level as a central defender bringing ball out from the back.
And he's not exactly a bad option however I feel Smith will stick with current pairing till Chester comes back.
Tuanzebe will have to bide time.
For balance though Tuanzebe could well come in and that Hause gets shifted to left back or the bench . That would depend on Taylor form.
So I wouldn't
Smith may bring him as a right centre half.
Chester though I think would defo come in for same reason as Tuanzebe and Chessie has the experience and leadership m know how


The defence was a mess then - Chester was half fit with a knee problem.  You obviously missed Tuanzebe's performances at Derby, Middlesborough and West Brom ( hand ball goal aside). Then he got injured in training a week before Christmas. He was really beginning to show his potential especially his covering and bringing the ball out of defence. Him and Mings is the best pairing as a left and right foot combination. Hause is an excellent LB.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Richard on March 26, 2019, 06:07:31 PM
It should come down to who is the best left back - Hause - and who is the best right sided centre half - Axel - if we want to go up via the play offs.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: footyskillz on March 26, 2019, 06:22:37 PM
I not sure if Tuanzebe should come in at his preferred  centre half .
I really wasn't liking his defending in that 5th goal by Forest and Grabban . Really basic stuff and he struggled physically to contain Grabban and did not prevent the goal
I think he could add something as a DM however I wonder how well he can learn and adapt the role.
Right back could be a situation or a 3rd central defender (unlikely but maybe when preserving a lead and final 5 /10 mins.
Tuanzebe adds another dimension and I think on the ball he's decent for this level as a central defender bringing ball out from the back.
And he's not exactly a bad option however I feel Smith will stick with current pairing till Chester comes back.
Tuanzebe will have to bide time.
For balance though Tuanzebe could well come in and that Hause gets shifted to left back or the bench . That would depend on Taylor form.
So I wouldn't
Smith may bring him as a right centre half.
Chester though I think would defo come in for same reason as Tuanzebe and Chessie has the experience and leadership m know how


The defence was a mess then - Chester was half fit with a knee problem.  You obviously missed Tuanzebe's performances at Derby, Middlesborough and West Brom ( hand ball goal aside). Then he got injured in training a week before Christmas. He was really beginning to show his potential especially his covering and bringing the ball out of defence. Him and Mings is the best pairing as a left and right foot combination. Hause is an excellent LB.
Granted ! But axel would have to get up to speed again and I think if it was a choice between the on loan learning his trade Tuanzebe or a fully fit Chester , captain , experienced and back fit it's Chester with very little questioning from me .
The reason being is Chessie is proven and class act .
Personally I contest that Mings and Tuanzebe would be 'best' pairing because I don't see how Tuanzebe would be ahead or better than Chester .
Potentially that pairing would be very decent however Chester and Mings have it all and would be the best pairing in league let alone the squad.
If one is saying Axel Tuanzebe is better defender than Chester I think that's folly .
A fit Chester has shown what he can do and is probably the best defender in league.
Axel Tuanzebe isnt anywhere near that acolade despite being a very decent defender.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: footyskillz on March 26, 2019, 06:29:08 PM
Not interested in potential when we have Chester for here and now.
Play off final ? Like heck chester wouldn't play ahead of Tuanzebe if both fit.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Steve67 on March 26, 2019, 10:29:46 PM
If it's true that Axel is staying with us for next year and that we are getting business done early, great work from the club. Just a note of caution though, Chester and Axel cannot play together as a pairing.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on March 27, 2019, 09:20:26 PM
Elmohamady Tuanzabe Mings Hause

formidable defence and could get us promoted ÖÖÖ..
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: jwarry on March 27, 2019, 10:06:28 PM
Elmohamady Tuanzabe Mings Hause

formidable defence and could get us promoted ÖÖÖ..

Maybe, but you donít change a winning team....... unless you are Gareth Southgate of course!
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: paul_e on March 27, 2019, 10:40:59 PM
Elmohamady Tuanzabe Mings Hause

formidable defence and could get us promoted ÖÖÖ..

Maybe, but you donít change a winning team....... unless you are Gareth Southgate of course!

The best managers do it all the time, it's people like MON who see their team fall apart 2/3rds of the way through the season who refuse to make changes.

I'd bring him back slowly though, maybe take a couple of sub performances first before giving him a start, maybe even a sub playing 10-15 yards in front of Mings and Hause to see if he can be an option in there (he's played there for England at age group level).
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: footyskillz on March 27, 2019, 10:58:15 PM
Where does James Chester fit in to those all shouting for Tuanzebe
On the bench
I don't think so.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: KRS on March 28, 2019, 01:00:28 AM
Both Axel and Chester have to get fit, play themselves into the team and bide their time until they have an opportunity to step back in. If Chester isn't at the races then he will quite rightly sit on the bench.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: paul_e on March 28, 2019, 09:46:19 AM
Where does James Chester fit in to those all shouting for Tuanzebe
On the bench
I don't think so.

That really depends on him, on reputation he gets into the team, on form this season he's not a starter. A big part of that was him playing through injury but you can't pretend the poor performances never happened.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Steve67 on March 28, 2019, 12:44:01 PM
Great to have competition for places. Just because Chester is captain doesnít mean he gets straight back in.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Risso on March 28, 2019, 02:07:57 PM
Hard choice between Chester and Axel to partner Mings.  Whoever is fit first gets a head start though I suppose, with Hause returning to left back.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Clampy on March 29, 2019, 07:08:12 AM
I'd personally leave it like it is for now. I don't think Taylor has done too much wrong and Axel won't be match for anyway.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: footyskillz on March 29, 2019, 08:57:52 AM
Sure many aware that Tuanzebe is back training and available for this selection this weekend . Smith mentioned the fact that he is fit but hasn't had match exposure.
Certainly welcomed back and will be a viable option on the bench
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: KRS on March 29, 2019, 09:10:51 AM
We need to stay solid, so keep the same back 4 as started against Boro (Elmo, Hause, Mings and Taylor).

Only if we're winning comfortably (or if someone gets injured) should Smith even consider bringing on Axel for some game time tomorrow.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Dazvillain on March 29, 2019, 10:08:10 AM
We need to stay solid, so keep the same back 4 as started against Boro (Elmo, Hause, Mings and Taylor).

Only if we're winning comfortably (or if someone gets injured) should Smith even consider bringing on Axel for some game time tomorrow.

Ditto Lansbury
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Mister E on March 29, 2019, 07:46:52 PM
We need to stay solid, so keep the same back 4 as started against Boro (Elmo, Hause, Mings and Taylor).

Only if we're winning comfortably (or if someone gets injured) should Smith even consider bringing on Axel for some game time tomorrow.

Ditto Lansbury
Who?
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Mister E on March 29, 2019, 07:47:10 PM
We need to stay solid, so keep the same back 4 as started against Boro (Elmo, Hause, Mings and Taylor).

Only if we're winning comfortably (or if someone gets injured) should Smith even consider bringing on Axel for some game time tomorrow.

Ditto Lansbury
Who?
Oh, right: still with us, then?
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: footyskillz on March 29, 2019, 08:47:50 PM
We need to stay solid, so keep the same back 4 as started against Boro (Elmo, Hause, Mings and Taylor).

Only if we're winning comfortably (or if someone gets injured) should Smith even consider bringing on Axel for some game time tomorrow.

Ditto Lansbury
Who?
Oh, right: still with us, then?

Ok so why are you saying Lansbury without thinking ??
Won't he be lucky to make bench and squad let alone the pitch !! ?


Substitutes 6 outfielders from last match
Carroll
Jedinak
Davis
Bjarnason
Kodjia
Adomah

Tuanzebe and Hourihane come into that equation for the bench if same 11
 I don't know where you're talking about Lansbury how many from that bench are you  suggesting sits out??
Though one  could  see Adomah starting in place of Green
And Bjarnason being a fall guy

Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Mister E on March 29, 2019, 09:30:31 PM
Sorry  what the fuck are you actually saying?
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: footyskillz on March 29, 2019, 10:04:09 PM
That's directed at dazvillian I believe ?!
Not you ! ! Mister E
Ditto lansbury?! I mean will he even get bench expedition let alone match time exposure
We need to stay solid, so keep the same back 4 as started against Boro (Elmo, Hause, Mings and Taylor).

Only if we're winning comfortably (or if someone gets injured) should Smith even consider bringing on Axel for some game time tomorrow.

Ditto Lansbury
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Dazvillain on March 29, 2019, 11:22:46 PM
Sorry all round...this is an Axel thread. I reposted my point about Lansbury in tomorrowís pre game thread
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Dazvillain on May 13, 2019, 01:01:39 PM
Ole Solskjaer saying he canít wait to see Tuanzebe in pre season... seeing how poor the CBís been I canít see him returning unfortunately
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Lsvilla on May 13, 2019, 01:07:34 PM
Ole Solskjaer saying he canít wait to see Tuanzebe in pre season... seeing how poor the CBís been I canít see him returning unfortunately
Ole the optimist. Heíll be lucky to make pre-season.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: danno on May 13, 2019, 01:15:57 PM
Man Utd's defenders are both crap and injury prone. If Solskjaer doesn't finish in the top four next season he is finished.

He might want to use Tuanzebe but I can't see him trusting him enough to be first choice. I still think he'll buy two centre backs. Then it will be up to Axel whether he wants first team football or to play Europa and cup games for the Christmas Elf.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: AV82EC on May 13, 2019, 01:17:46 PM
Finish in the top 4!! Heíll be lucky to make it to Christmas.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: danno on May 13, 2019, 01:24:26 PM
Finish in the top 4!! Heíll be lucky to make it to Christmas.

Yes, and if he is sacked by Christmas it will be because it looks unlikely they will finish in the top four.  They're the new Arsenal.

My point was that he's unlikely to stake his whole career on Tuanzebe being good enough and staying fit. He's more likely to splurge on some new defenders.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: mr underhill on May 13, 2019, 02:26:17 PM
If OGS is relying on Axel to exponentially improve the back line then he's totally fooked. Axel is nowhere near top six PL standard. Yet.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Villafirst on May 14, 2019, 11:30:40 PM
Axel had heavy strapping to his thigh. Hopefully ok for Wembley?
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Dazvillain on May 14, 2019, 11:50:03 PM
Hopefully, few days rest then re build. Tyrone suffered a couple of times too 😩
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Risso on May 15, 2019, 09:48:50 AM
What a superb defender Axel is.  Completely unflustered, and the ability to beat a man on the way out of defence.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Matt Collins on May 15, 2019, 09:53:30 AM
I love him
. But he doesn't get tight enough in the box
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: darren woolley on May 17, 2019, 02:47:37 PM
Hope we can keep him at Villa but it's a long shot.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Villafirst on May 17, 2019, 05:44:33 PM
Hope we can keep him at Villa but it's a long shot.

If we go up, he might want to join us? 
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Rudy65 on May 18, 2019, 09:04:00 AM
Hope we can keep him at Villa but it's a long shot.

If we go up, he might want to join us?

Why not. He has no future at MU
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: CT on May 18, 2019, 09:40:24 AM
I think The Axe has loads of potential, a minimum should be we keep him on loan next year.

I'd buy him just for his song to be honest...
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: kipeye on May 18, 2019, 10:11:01 AM
Hope we can keep him at Villa but it's a long shot.

If we go up, he might want to join us?

Why not. He has no future at MU
Mourinho rated him and stated he would not be sold. OGS will probably want to get rid of much of his current backline 'stars', so it will likely depend on who else he brings in. If we had another year with Bruce playing him all over the place we would have probably got him for free with a has-been thrown in on a million squid a week.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Ads on May 18, 2019, 10:19:27 AM
If OGS is relying on Axel to exponentially improve the back line then he's totally fooked. Axel is nowhere near top six PL standard. Yet.

Fit right in at Man United then.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Villafirst on May 19, 2019, 02:00:06 PM
Any news on Axel's injury? He looked in discomfort during the celebrations. I'm hoping it's cramp but he couldn't seem to put much weight on his right leg/ankle??
Really need him fit for the final...
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Matt Collins on May 19, 2019, 05:22:31 PM
I haven't seen anything about him or elmo

Not sure when we will get an update. I assume before the presser
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Risso on May 19, 2019, 06:58:31 PM
Pretty certain he'll be fine.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Villafirst on May 19, 2019, 07:19:58 PM
Pretty certain he'll be fine.

How, have you watched the end of ET and the celebrations?
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: LeeB on May 19, 2019, 07:39:17 PM
Pretty certain he'll be fine.

How, have you watched the end of ET and the celebrations?

Yeah Risso, who died and made you Dougie Howser MD?
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 19, 2019, 08:53:26 PM
I haven't seen anything about him or elmo

Not sure when we will get an update. I assume before the presser

What's up with AEM? He really should've missed last season's final but made it as we seemingly didn't want to start Bree at any cost so doubt he'd miss this one unless it's broken bones.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Drummond on May 20, 2019, 02:06:56 PM
Pretty certain he'll be fine.

How, have you watched the end of ET and the celebrations?

Yeah, that bit where he flies past the moon on a bike was brilliant.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: p_ad on May 20, 2019, 03:15:05 PM
Bah ! How about a spoiler alert
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: chrisw1 on July 05, 2019, 12:49:14 PM
Fucks sake.  He's signed a new contract with Man U

https://twitter.com/DeadlineDayLive/status/1147106975584530433
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: Ger Regan on July 05, 2019, 12:52:53 PM
Shame, but there we go. I imagine it hasn't scuppered our plans too much as i'd imagine we were told fairly early on that it wasn't a runner.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 05, 2019, 12:56:13 PM
Good for him. He helped us get promoted. He did his bit. Would have been great to have him long term but I donít blame Man U for keeping him or frankly him wanting to stay and play there.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 05, 2019, 01:02:20 PM
I never thought he'd sign for us.  He's rated up there and their other centre backs are shite.  All the best to him, he did well for us.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: garyshawsknee on July 05, 2019, 01:09:09 PM
Good luck to him, deserves his chance, probably their best centre back.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: MalcolmP on July 05, 2019, 01:15:00 PM
Good luck to him, deserves his chance, probably their best centre back.
He won't get a chance he will bench at best.  Lindolof plus new signing (McGuire or A N Other) will be first choice. If he was at Villa he would play week in week out. Another young career stalled.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: Dave P on July 05, 2019, 01:15:19 PM
Seems strange liking a Man U player but I genuinely wish him every success. 
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: JJ-AV on July 05, 2019, 01:20:23 PM
Good luck to him. He's exactly the sort of player they're signing so I thought he'd stay there.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: Big Dick Edwards on July 05, 2019, 01:28:28 PM
With Man United linked with big money centre halves I thought we had a chance of getting him back, Hey ho..
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: Jon Crofts on July 05, 2019, 01:51:10 PM
Good luck, but obviously I hope your team and teammates are utter mince.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: rob_bridge on July 05, 2019, 01:58:11 PM
I wish him all the best, and wish his employer nothing but decades of misery
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on July 05, 2019, 02:41:28 PM
Had Mourinho stayed at Man Utd I reckon thereís a chance we couldíve signed Axel permanently as Iím not sure he fancied him that much. OGS taking over was bad news for us as far as Axel is concerned.

Itíll be interesting to see how he gets on.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (SIGNED on loan again)
Post by: Rudy65 on July 05, 2019, 02:47:51 PM
Fucks sake.  He's signed a new contract with Man U

https://twitter.com/DeadlineDayLive/status/1147106975584530433

And then maybe another loan back to us?
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: Brend'Watkins on July 05, 2019, 02:52:49 PM
Fucks sake.  He's signed a new contract with Man U

https://twitter.com/DeadlineDayLive/status/1147106975584530433

And then maybe another loan back to us?

That's what I was thinking.  A year long one too hopefully.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 05, 2019, 03:14:00 PM
He isn't coming back.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: mr underhill on July 05, 2019, 03:15:12 PM
he never was and to be honest i think a lot of people rated him too highly - in the games i saw Hause play, he looked as good to me.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: paul_e on July 05, 2019, 03:30:59 PM
Tuanzebe looks the part but, for me, still has a lot to learn, I'm not sure he's ready to be a regular in the premier league, in no small part due to the fact that he's struggled with injuries in both seasons with us.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 05, 2019, 10:51:17 PM
By the way thanks for throwing your heart and soul into Villa and good luck even if it is with those utter gobshites.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: Legion on July 05, 2019, 10:52:12 PM
I think he is ace and would have loved to keep him.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on July 05, 2019, 10:54:56 PM
Odds were stacked against us keeping him though.

Thanks for everything Axel, and good luck for the future:except when you play us!
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: villan from luton on July 05, 2019, 11:03:08 PM
he never was and to be honest i think a lot of people rated him too highly - in the games i saw Hause play, he looked as good to me.
I think Axel is a real talent and will go far. I remember seeing his debut v Fulham at right back and unlike some thought he was good, but at centre back he is superb and made Mings look class as well. I really hope he fulfills his potential
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: Steve67 on July 05, 2019, 11:09:44 PM
As an ex centre back myself and hopefully knowing what it takes, I just don't see him being that good.  He is quick but loses his man in the box too often and is header shy.  He was part of that atrocious defence that had us in 13th place before Mings got here and organised us properly.  Axel is a decent player but will be fourth choice, and found out at Man yoo. All about opinions I guess.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: villan from luton on July 05, 2019, 11:30:42 PM
As an ex centre back, I just don't see him being that good.  He is quick but loses his man in the box too often and is header shy.  He was part of that atrocious defence that had us in 13th place before Mings got here and organised us properly.  Axel is a decent player but will be fourth choice, and found out at Man yoo. All about opinions I guess.

Totally disagree, he was settled with Mings and before that he will have known Chester was totally crocked. Will be interesting to see how he progresses but I suspect far
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 05, 2019, 11:50:51 PM
I think he will have a really good career if he steers clear of injuries.  Brilliant ball playing centre half in Ďthatís the championshipí Where skill isnít possible apparently.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: brentastonb6 on July 06, 2019, 12:00:21 AM
Thank you Axel for giving your all and being part of the team that restored pride in being a supporter and player at this great club of ours. Good luck , UTV !
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 06, 2019, 12:11:20 AM
Look like a central defender/right back from the Youtube video.  The new Micah Richards?

No Martin. 🤣
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: KRS on July 06, 2019, 12:21:00 AM
Would have been great to have him back with us next season...he made a good unit and gave us options alongside Mings and Hause, however I always thought Mings and Hause was the stronger CB pairing. Heíll be welcome back if things donít work out at Man Utd.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: villan from luton on July 06, 2019, 12:38:05 AM
Some Man U fans suspect he will not get ahead of Jones and Smalling, do they really know the talent they have?
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 06, 2019, 12:41:42 AM
I think he has the talent to play at a very high level.
Not the finished article and would love for us to have kept him.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: Axl Rose on July 06, 2019, 12:44:04 AM
I think he has the talent to play at a very high level.
Not the finished article and would love for us to have kept him.

Same here. I love how he brings the ball out from the back.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: Steve67 on July 06, 2019, 01:12:32 AM
There is a world of difference between playing in the top six of the Championship to the top six of the Premier Division, and the Champions League.  He's a talent but he has flaws that need ironing out.  Was very good for us with an organiser next to him.  I hope he does well.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 06, 2019, 01:22:15 AM
There is a world of difference between playing in the top six of the Championship to the top six of the Premier Division, and the Champions League.  He's a talent but he has flaws that need ironing out.  Was very good for us with an organiser next to him.  I hope he does well.

I agree with you. People are really romanticizing a short run in our team. He was injured more often than not during his 18 months on loan at Villa, impossible for anyone to say he's good enough now for United IMO. Notwithstanding the fact that their current CBs are shit, but they'll be looking to replace with a more proven and dependable option than Axel. I do hope he succeeds there but he's up against it. Would've been much better staying at our fine club or similar. As it is, he's made his choice.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 06, 2019, 01:27:54 AM
If you want to see Romance I suggest you follow the Mingís fan club.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 06, 2019, 01:35:36 AM
If you want to see Romance I suggest you follow the Mingís fan club.

Mings is a better player than Tuanzebe currently. Yes elements of our support are hysterical when it comes to him and I expect if/when he signs there will be some difficult landings while returning to earth, but the reality is he's a more finished product. Tuanzebe is decent and has potential to be better but he's not nearly as good as some are suggesting in my eyes.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: dave shelley on July 06, 2019, 08:42:27 AM
Was it Axel that I saw a clip of during our ten match unbeaten run joining in and singing with the Holte at the end of a match? I think it was him anyway and thought to myself, for an on- loan player he really gets what we're all about.  See also Mings, Tyrone.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 06, 2019, 09:06:26 AM
It was Axel after the brizzle game.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: dave shelley on July 06, 2019, 09:10:02 AM
It was Axel after the brizzle game.

Thanks, must look that up again.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: brontebilly on July 06, 2019, 09:15:49 AM
As an ex centre back myself and hopefully knowing what it takes, I just don't see him being that good.  He is quick but loses his man in the box too often and is header shy.  He was part of that atrocious defence that had us in 13th place before Mings got here and organised us properly.  Axel is a decent player but will be fourth choice, and found out at Man yoo. All about opinions I guess.

Agreed with you I'm afraid. Far too soft physically at the moment and also lacks defensive instincts. The ease in which he was turned for that "goal" at Leeds for one or how Grabban tore him a new one in the 5-5. Fine player on the ball with good recovery pace but I think he would be eaten alive in the top division.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: Clampy on July 06, 2019, 09:41:06 AM
Axel is one of the players I would have like to have seen come back. As long as he doesn't have too much bad luck with injuries, I think he'll go on to do really well.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: West Derby Villan on July 06, 2019, 11:46:31 AM
Axel is one of the players I would have like to have seen come back. As long as he doesn't have too much bad luck with injuries, I think he'll go on to do really well.

Agree, good coaching, injury free and a run in the team, could make him a real star. Played well for us and gave his all. Good luck in the future Axel, whoever you play for. UTV
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: Rudy65 on July 06, 2019, 11:57:13 AM
As an ex centre back myself and hopefully knowing what it takes, I just don't see him being that good.  He is quick but loses his man in the box too often and is header shy.  He was part of that atrocious defence that had us in 13th place before Mings got here and organised us properly.  Axel is a decent player but will be fourth choice, and found out at Man yoo. All about opinions I guess.

Agreed with you I'm afraid. Far too soft physically at the moment and also lacks defensive instincts. The ease in which he was turned for that "goal" at Leeds for one or how Grabban tore him a new one in the 5-5. Fine player on the ball with good recovery pace but I think he would be eaten alive in the top division.

Shaky start but improved and was great when back from injury at the end

Not sure he is top 6 quality but Iíd have him back at VP
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: TopDeck113 on July 06, 2019, 03:01:30 PM
I think he has what it takes to be a decent Premier League centre-half, but I suspect that it won't be at Manchester United.  The fan-base at Old Trafford is going through that delusional transition when a once-great club is on the slide: they reckon they are entitled to a better quality of player that the ones they currently have.  Axel will be in the defence the next time they get dicked three or four by Liverpool or Citeh and his shaky performance will have the fans on his back.  Confidence shot, he'll end up back out on loan and in a season or two join a club in a similar position to where we are now.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: OCD on July 06, 2019, 03:44:40 PM
I think he has what it takes to be a decent Premier League centre-half, but I suspect that it won't be at Manchester United.  The fan-base at Old Trafford is going through that delusional transition when a once-great club is on the slide: they reckon they are entitled to a better quality of player that the ones they currently have.  Axel will be in the defence the next time they get dicked three or four by Liverpool or Citeh and his shaky performance will have the fans on his back.  Confidence shot, he'll end up back out on loan and in a season or two join a club in a similar position to where we are now.

I think similar but with a straight sale rather than a loan out. See Brown, W, O'Shea, J or Evans, J. Or he could be another Smalling or Jones and be able to stick around a while but never really amounting to much. A Johnny Evans is probably the best he can hope for.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: Jon Crofts on July 09, 2019, 08:41:52 PM
Axel back on loan seems to be gathering pace, with an option to buy would be good as well.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 09, 2019, 08:44:43 PM
I thought the message was pretty clear that We will not develop other teams players but instead buy and develop our own.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 09, 2019, 08:51:50 PM
I thought the message was pretty clear that We will not develop other teams players but instead buy and develop our own.

There's an exception to every rule, such as a short-term fix who can slot straight into a position where we're a bit short.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: maidstonevillain on July 09, 2019, 08:54:52 PM
Axel back on loan seems to be gathering pace, with an option to buy would be good as well.

I doubt we will get the option to buy. but have no concerns about that.  It sorts out a problem for the short term, and possibly leaves money available to spend elsewhere.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 09, 2019, 09:00:32 PM
I thought the message was pretty clear that We will not develop other teams players but instead buy and develop our own.

Itís a great move if despite their initial stance that Purslow/Smith feels we are being priced out of equivalent talent. No point paying stupid money. This not only fills a need. It reunites a defensive partnership with already very good and developing chemistry. It also buys us time if indeed we cannot keep AT long term.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: mike on July 09, 2019, 09:02:18 PM
I thought the message was pretty clear that We will not develop other teams players but instead buy and develop our own.

There's an exception to every rule, such as a short-term fix who can slot straight into a position where we're a bit short.

Exactly, he provides a degree of continuity which adds x% to his playing ability (which I very much rate,)
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 09, 2019, 09:20:12 PM
I thought the message was pretty clear that We will not develop other teams players but instead buy and develop our own.

There's an exception to every rule, such as a short-term fix who can slot straight into a position where we're a bit short.

Precisely. The development point is secondary to our immediate need.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: dicedlam on July 09, 2019, 09:31:43 PM
Is he part of the squad that went on the Australian tour?
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: chrisw1 on July 09, 2019, 09:32:28 PM
I thought the message was pretty clear that We will not develop other teams players but instead buy and develop our own.

Itís a great move if despite their initial stance that Purslow/Smith feels we are being priced out of equivalent talent. No point paying stupid money. This not only fills a need. It reunites a defensive partnership with already very good and developing chemistry. It also buys us time if indeed we cannot keep AT long term.
Yes.  It doesn't really cost us any more in the long run - we can pay £25m for Webster now + approx 45k wages (at a guess).  Or just pay the wages for Axel and look for better value in the transfer market over the next 12 months.  This assumes Man U won't be seeking a big loan fee.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: john e on July 09, 2019, 10:06:56 PM
I thought the message was pretty clear that We will not develop other teams players but instead buy and develop our own.

Itís a great move if despite their initial stance that Purslow/Smith feels we are being priced out of equivalent talent. No point paying stupid money. This not only fills a need. It reunites a defensive partnership with already very good and developing chemistry. It also buys us time if indeed we cannot keep AT long term.


what you say is true

but then they shouldn't make statements that they don't have intentions of keeping there's no point saying stuff if its meaningless nonsense
 
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 09, 2019, 10:48:47 PM
I thought the message was pretty clear that We will not develop other teams players but instead buy and develop our own.

Itís a great move if despite their initial stance that Purslow/Smith feels we are being priced out of equivalent talent. No point paying stupid money. This not only fills a need. It reunites a defensive partnership with already very good and developing chemistry. It also buys us time if indeed we cannot keep AT long term.


what you say is true

but then they shouldn't make statements that they don't have intentions of keeping there's no point saying stuff if its meaningless nonsense
 

I agree to a point. But leadership needs to also retain the flexibility to adapt if the circumstances and business environment changes. And especially as in this instance it means bringing back a player they know and trust. I think had this been anyone else (with the only other exception of Tammy) then I do think we would even consider it.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: Matt C on July 10, 2019, 05:41:51 AM
Be surprised if they let him go but suppose it lets them see if he can cut it in the PL while they persist with center halves that clearly canít and/or spend 100m or whatever it is on Maguire.

I know weíd rather avoid loans but as mentioned above, for the sake of continuity worth an exception in this case.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: Drummond on July 10, 2019, 07:30:31 AM
I thought the message was pretty clear that We will not develop other teams players but instead buy and develop our own.

Itís a great move if despite their initial stance that Purslow/Smith feels we are being priced out of equivalent talent. No point paying stupid money. This not only fills a need. It reunites a defensive partnership with already very good and developing chemistry. It also buys us time if indeed we cannot keep AT long term.


what you say is true

but then they shouldn't make statements that they don't have intentions of keeping there's no point saying stuff if its meaningless nonsense

Except it isn't meaningless; surely you've said stuff and then changed your mind as circumstances alter?

We've already made how many permanent signings? No other loans suggest we're not in the loan market per se but if it makes financial and football sense then we should do it. Plus this one gives us continuity.

Oh and the Tuanzebe beat is fun.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: robbo1874 on July 10, 2019, 08:28:51 AM
Iíd be very happy if we can get him on loan for another season, I think heís quality. Everyoneís talking about the Mingís signing. Based on the players we know about, iíd Say probably the El Ghazi deal was the best bit of business, followed by Mings. But another season on loan for Axel would be a close 3rd in my view. Would be a great bit of business for us the player. Win win. I get the point about developing other clubsí players, but the flip side is we get a player we know is reliable and can do a job, for relatively little outlay and almost no risk.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: fbriai on July 10, 2019, 08:33:08 AM
If we take him on loan again, ideally it would be with an option to buy at the end of the season. He would be far better off just moving to us directly. It's surely going to happen sooner or later!

I also like the fact that if we sign Tuanzebe we will have, Tammy apart, kept the nucleus of younger players in the team from last season.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: maidstonevillain on July 10, 2019, 08:46:57 AM
If we take him on loan again, ideally it would be with an option to buy at the end of the season. He would be far better off just moving to us directly. It's surely going to happen sooner or later!

I also like the fact that if we sign Tuanzebe we will have, Tammy apart, kept the nucleus of younger players in the team from last season.
And Tammy is the one who I most doubted would make the step up to the Premiership.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: robbo1874 on July 10, 2019, 09:00:34 AM
If we take him on loan again, ideally it would be with an option to buy at the end of the season. He would be far better off just moving to us directly. It's surely going to happen sooner or later!

I also like the fact that if we sign Tuanzebe we will have, Tammy apart, kept the nucleus of younger players in the team from last season.
And Tammy is the one who I most doubted would make the step up to the Premiership.
who needs Tammy when youíve got Wesley 😄
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 10, 2019, 09:02:55 AM
Tammy is the one who I also doubted could make the Premier League step up....
In a strong side, who create chances then I think he'd be ok, but his all-round-game, in terms of holding up the ball, movement etc isn't much stronger than Kodjia's.
I'd be happy if we could loan him again, but I think we could be better off with a physical target man, like Wesley, or an on-form and happy Benteke.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: john e on July 11, 2019, 10:26:19 AM
I thought the message was pretty clear that We will not develop other teams players but instead buy and develop our own.

Itís a great move if despite their initial stance that Purslow/Smith feels we are being priced out of equivalent talent. No point paying stupid money. This not only fills a need. It reunites a defensive partnership with already very good and developing chemistry. It also buys us time if indeed we cannot keep AT long term.


what you say is true

but then they shouldn't make statements that they don't have intentions of keeping there's no point saying stuff if its meaningless nonsense

Except it isn't meaningless; surely you've said stuff and then changed your mind as circumstances alter?

We've already made how many permanent signings? No other loans suggest we're not in the loan market per se but if it makes financial and football sense then we should do it. Plus this one gives us continuity.

Oh and the Tuanzebe beat is fun.


maybe they didn't change their minds after all
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 11, 2019, 12:28:15 PM
Thanks Axel for everything but I fear you have made a mistake

Remember to wave as we pass you on the way up
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: Dazvillain on August 03, 2019, 11:19:17 AM
Reports this morning about him being made available for another 12 months loan.
We canít take him as well can we as weíre now top heavy with CBís ?
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: AsTallAsLions on August 03, 2019, 11:28:26 AM
Reports this morning about him being made available for another 12 months loan.
We canít take him as well can we as weíre now top heavy with CBís ?

I'd be worried if we did. Too many players to keep happy in that situation. Great to have plenty of options and depth but 6 CBs is overkill unless we're looking to play 3 across the back.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: FatSam on August 03, 2019, 11:41:32 AM
He didn't have to sign a new contract this summer. Instead he has committed himself to Man Utd, and the consequence of that is potentially to be loaned out every year whilst they break the world transfer record for a defender. Unfortunately he is complicit in this situation. Much better for us to make permanent signings whose value (to us) increases as we develop them.

Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: Tuscans on August 03, 2019, 11:58:17 AM
It's nonsense from someone who's clearly forgot we bought 4 centre backs already....he also reports on wrestling, I rest my cakes.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: LeeB on August 03, 2019, 12:23:20 PM
It's nonsense from someone who's clearly forgot we bought 4 centre backs already....he also reports on wrestling, I rest my cakes.

It's a half-baked suggestion.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: Pete3206 on August 03, 2019, 12:29:47 PM
Let's not over egg this
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: Tuscans on August 03, 2019, 12:38:59 PM
Just bake-off the pair of you.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: algy on August 03, 2019, 12:47:12 PM
He didn't have to sign a new contract this summer. Instead he has committed himself to Man Utd, and the consequence of that is potentially to be loaned out every year whilst they break the world transfer record for a defender. Unfortunately he is complicit in this situation. Much better for us to make permanent signings whose value (to us) increases as we develop them.
Agree completely. That ship, for him, has sailed. He's decided he wants to play for Man Utd Reserves, which means he's not good enough for Villa.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: jwarry on August 03, 2019, 12:52:29 PM
Agreed, he had his chance to join the train but chose to get off.  We ainít slowing down for anybody who doesnít want to be on the ride
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: paul_e on August 03, 2019, 12:56:46 PM
Him being linked is annoying but does'nt bother me too much, much more annoying are the fans on twitter and facebook who think we need him because we don't know how Engels or Konsa will do. I guarantee they'll do badly if they get 'replaced' by a loanee without having played a single competitive game.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 03, 2019, 01:31:55 PM
Indeed.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: Pete3206 on August 03, 2019, 01:42:12 PM
Good luck at Newcastle.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 03, 2019, 03:30:21 PM
What we donít know is what was discussed behind the scenes with AT/ Man U or even Abraham/Chelsea. Itís entirely possible he wanted to stay and at the time Man U wanted him back or would sell for a massive fee. We clearly couldnít wait or didnít want to and/or wouldnít pay the price at the time and he then went back and signed up again. What we donít know is that he didnít want to stay. In fact by all accounts he was loving it with us.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: mr underhill on August 03, 2019, 05:10:52 PM
To be honest, I always thought Hause was as good, particularly when paired with Mings. The other aspect to Axel is that he is injury prone - both his loan spells to us were disrupted by lengthy injuries.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: UK Redsox on August 03, 2019, 05:16:31 PM
What we donít know is what was discussed behind the scenes with AT/ Man U or even Abraham/Chelsea. Itís entirely possible he wanted to stay and at the time Man U wanted him back or would sell for a massive fee. We clearly couldnít wait or didnít want to and/or wouldnít pay the price at the time and he then went back and signed up again. What we donít know is that he didnít want to stay. In fact by all accounts he was loving it with us.

Exactly. I donít see the need for the recent anti-Axel posts
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 03, 2019, 05:17:03 PM
Has he actually gone to newcarssul?
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: Pete3206 on August 03, 2019, 05:30:03 PM
What we donít know is what was discussed behind the scenes with AT/ Man U or even Abraham/Chelsea. Itís entirely possible he wanted to stay and at the time Man U wanted him back or would sell for a massive fee. We clearly couldnít wait or didnít want to and/or wouldnít pay the price at the time and he then went back and signed up again. What we donít know is that he didnít want to stay. In fact by all accounts he was loving it with us.

Exactly. I donít see the need for the recent anti-Axel posts

Who is anti Axel? Struggling with that one.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 03, 2019, 06:19:43 PM
Thought he was going to get a chance there? I know they're signing Maguire but Bailly is out for five months and the others like Smalling, Jones and Rojo are mediocre and been there years.

Would've thought he'd be first in if Lindelof or Maguire pick up an injury. There is no room for him here anyway with the depth we have at CB now.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: Steve67 on August 03, 2019, 07:34:20 PM
Very average Premier Division centre half.  Newcastle need him far more than we do.  Watch him lose his man in the box time after time. Tyrone Mings made him look good.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: mr underhill on August 04, 2019, 10:53:02 AM
well, I wouldn't go that far, but we now have other options so we simply don't need him
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: London Villan on August 04, 2019, 10:56:42 AM
He must like bruce and playing out of position...
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: Clampy on August 04, 2019, 10:58:20 AM
I thought he was excellent at times and a really good prospect. I'd have gladly had him back.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: Steve67 on August 04, 2019, 12:25:45 PM
well, I wouldn't go that far, but we now have other options so we simply don't need him

I know it's all about opinions mate but I can see the flaws in his game.  He is quick and covers the ground really well.  But,  he is not comfortable in the air, doesn't really cope that well with the rougher stuff and loses his man in the box, which I put down to concentration.  He will not make it at Man United and I think we have now passed him by.  Newcastle will suit him just fine though.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 04, 2019, 01:09:14 PM
My view is heís an excellent prospect, who did a great job for us. But at this moment if we donít have the chance to bring him in permanently Iím not sure itís the right move. We need Konsa and Engels to play.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: Ger Regan on August 04, 2019, 01:13:03 PM
Yeah, there may have been a time when we would have absolutely needed to sign him (even on loan), but in doing so now we would be stifling the development of our own players. For that reason I'd have absolutely no interest in this deal, and suspect the powers that be see it similarly.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: West Derby Villan on August 04, 2019, 01:14:01 PM
Axel was an important part of the promotion team. We have Engels and Konsa now so do we really need him especially as I'm guessing any deal would have us committing to play him as often as possible.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: Villafirst on January 09, 2020, 06:08:08 PM
Axel not featuring very often for Man Utd? Perhaps he should've signed for Villa last summer but he signed a new contract with Yanited.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: villadelph on January 09, 2020, 06:17:57 PM
Axel not featuring very often for Man Utd? Perhaps he should've signed for Villa last summer but he signed a new contract with Yanited.
Well.. Maguires out for a month.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: Villafirst on January 09, 2020, 06:31:35 PM
Apparently Yanited are chasing a new defender from Verona. Don't they rate Axel?
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: danno on January 09, 2020, 06:32:47 PM
He's been injured
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: TheTimVilla on January 09, 2020, 06:34:46 PM
Axel not featuring very often for Man Utd? Perhaps he should've signed for Villa last summer but he signed a new contract with Yanited.

I think heís injured
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: Villafirst on January 09, 2020, 07:12:34 PM
Yes, correct Hamstring injury. Another who seems injury prone? 
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: placeforparks on January 10, 2020, 12:27:41 PM
Apparently Yanited are chasing a new defender from Verona. Don't they rate Axel?

he's injured. as is harry maguire now.

and if you watched phil jones the other night, you'd realise why united are desperate for a new defender!
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on January 10, 2020, 01:16:43 PM


As much as i loved Axel, we've already bought four centre backs this summer. Far more pressing concerns than buying another one surely
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 10, 2020, 02:51:48 PM


As much as i loved Axel, we've already bought four centre backs this summer. Far more pressing concerns than buying another one surely

up front thou  ?
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: JJ-AV on January 11, 2020, 09:11:52 AM
Axel might be one for the Summer, if we stay up.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 04, 2021, 03:46:43 PM
Manchester United defender Axel Tuanzebe is set to sign a new deal at Old Trafford before joining Aston Villa on loan

Reported by Athletic and Sky Sports
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: aj2k77 on August 04, 2021, 03:47:35 PM
He's bang average and has the leap of Douglas Bada.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: Monty on August 04, 2021, 03:48:53 PM
Manchester United defender Axel Tuanzebe is set to sign a new deal at Old Trafford before joining Aston Villa on loan

Reported by Athletic and Sky Sports

So it's a full-on development farm loan then. Today...is not a great day.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 04, 2021, 03:49:06 PM
I really thought we weren't doing this kind of loan anymore
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: dave shelley on August 04, 2021, 03:49:28 PM
Well I suppose someone has to keep Kienan Davies company in the physio's room.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 04, 2021, 03:50:14 PM
Covers defence, midfield and right back.
Knows the club but it's about time he either signed here or somewhere. Loan no good really.
Man Utd getting him new contract protecting his investment
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: aj2k77 on August 04, 2021, 03:50:35 PM
Davis can fuck off as well. Big lad, made out of Plastercine. Not worth a weekly wage.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 04, 2021, 03:50:58 PM
Manchester United defender Axel Tuanzebe is set to sign a new deal at Old Trafford before joining Aston Villa on loan

Reported by Athletic and Sky Sports

So it's a full-on development farm loan then. Today...is not a great day.

Let's hope Konsa and Mings play every game.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: Demitri_C on August 04, 2021, 03:51:42 PM
Makes sense save money on a.psoution that only needs cover can spend the money elsewhere and get a cb in next summer.

Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: DennisHodgetts on August 04, 2021, 03:51:48 PM
I do not have a problem with this, he is a fourth choice centre back and utility to give cover for a year while the promising kids develop. We know what we are getting and can spend our money elsewhere.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 04, 2021, 03:52:36 PM
We need to stop believing loans are beneath us. He's a good player who can offer much better cover at CB than Engels did, and is a right footed player so great if we lose Konsa. It will likely be a loan to buy deal. Better/bigger clubs than us loan players or get older, more experienced players on free transfers. Man U have been doing just that for a few years now.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 04, 2021, 03:53:15 PM
Manchester United defender Axel Tuanzebe is set to sign a new deal at Old Trafford before joining Aston Villa on loan

Reported by Athletic and Sky Sports

So it's a full-on development farm loan then. Today...is not a great day.

It's not that at all. We've got some very promising kids that are perhaps twelve months away from being squad players, so we're bringing in cover for twelve months. It makes sense all round.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: danno on August 04, 2021, 03:53:43 PM
We're not buying him?  That's good news for those who don't rate him right?
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: Risso on August 04, 2021, 03:54:02 PM
"Kids, your mum has left me and moved in with the bloke with the Porsche down the road, but worry not, allow me to introduce you to Doreen who does a couple of shifts at the chippy down the road. She's got most of her own teeth and we get ten percent off haddock and chips on a Tuesday."
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: LeeB on August 04, 2021, 03:55:45 PM
I'd buy it, love a bit of haddock.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: David_Nab on August 04, 2021, 03:55:49 PM
I would think Man U have extended his contract so if we don't purchase at the end of the loan , they don't have him out of contract leaving for free.He is a home grown player so any amount they get for him is profit
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: aj2k77 on August 04, 2021, 03:55:59 PM
It's Wednesday so we can't even benefit from the discount today. FFS.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: Risso on August 04, 2021, 03:56:14 PM
Manchester United defender Axel Tuanzebe is set to sign a new deal at Old Trafford before joining Aston Villa on loan

Reported by Athletic and Sky Sports

So it's a full-on development farm loan then. Today...is not a great day.

It's not that at all. We've got some very promising kids that are perhaps twelve months away from being squad players, so we're bringing in cover for twelve months. It makes sense all round.

For some very savvy, rich businessmen, they should be aware of the signal this sends though. Can't stop our best player in a generation going to Man City, and now we're getting somebody in on loan from Man U. None of that exactly screams of ambition.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 04, 2021, 03:57:06 PM
"Kids, your mum has left me and moved in with the bloke with the Porsche down the road, but worry not, allow me to introduce you to Doreen who does a couple of shifts at the chippy down the road. She's got most of her own teeth and we get ten percent off haddock and chips on a Tuesday."

Depends if you've got fat kids.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: Ads on August 04, 2021, 03:58:17 PM
Better than Engels and can play full back if needs be. I don't have an issue with it.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: clash city rocker on August 04, 2021, 03:59:02 PM
Dont see what's wrong with getting him onloan
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 04, 2021, 04:00:07 PM
Better than Engels and can play full back if needs be. I don't have an issue with it.

Yeah I guess that's fair enough. Especially if Guilbert leaves.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: paul_e on August 04, 2021, 04:04:24 PM
So long as we don't see him very often I can live with it but the message it sends is pretty shit. People need to stop considering him as cover at RB and DM though, he's barely good enough to be a premier league centre half, put him anywhere else and we'd be asking for trouble.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: sickbeggar on August 04, 2021, 04:04:45 PM
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Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: Risso on August 04, 2021, 04:05:32 PM
Give us another season you shit.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: Shrek on August 04, 2021, 04:05:46 PM
They were talking about a 5m loan fee last week, I hope we havent paid that
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: London Villan on August 04, 2021, 04:06:45 PM
Maybe not announce it todayÖ
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: danno on August 04, 2021, 04:07:11 PM
Third times the charm.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: Monty on August 04, 2021, 04:08:07 PM
SB, you've been pretty goddamn on it today I must admit!

DW - okay sure, I exaggerated a bit. I do think Risso has a point however - the message this sends is that we've accepted our place in the world, in a slight Ronnie Corbettish way. I don't think this tells the likes of Ward-Prowse that Villa is the place to be.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: Drummond on August 04, 2021, 04:15:23 PM
Ideally not, but he's better than Engels and knows the league, and us. Definitely worth it.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 04, 2021, 04:18:57 PM
SB, you've been pretty goddamn on it today I must admit!

DW - okay sure, I exaggerated a bit. I do think Risso has a point however - the message this sends is that we've accepted our place in the world, in a slight Ronnie Corbettish way. I don't think this tells the likes of Ward-Prowse that Villa is the place to be.

I don't know or care enough to know about other squads, but how many others have a fourth-choice central defender of his quality?
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: jwarry on August 04, 2021, 04:23:50 PM
SB, you've been pretty goddamn on it today I must admit!

DW - okay sure, I exaggerated a bit. I do think Risso has a point however - the message this sends is that we've accepted our place in the world, in a slight Ronnie Corbettish way. I don't think this tells the likes of Ward-Prowse that Villa is the place to be.

I don't know or care enough to know about other squads, but how many others have a fourth-choice central defender of his quality?

Well clearly Man U or they wouldnít be selling him! I thought our ambitions were to overtake the red scum?!?
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: paul_e on August 04, 2021, 04:24:09 PM
SB, you've been pretty goddamn on it today I must admit!

DW - okay sure, I exaggerated a bit. I do think Risso has a point however - the message this sends is that we've accepted our place in the world, in a slight Ronnie Corbettish way. I don't think this tells the likes of Ward-Prowse that Villa is the place to be.

I don't know or care enough to know about other squads, but how many others have a fourth-choice central defender of his quality?

What is his quality though? He was ok (when fit) in the championship. In the premier league he's never looked like he was there as anything more than cover. If he didn't have his injury record that might be enough but when you add the unreliable fitness it's hard to see it as anything other than a quick fix because the club are desperate for some sort of good news.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: Monty on August 04, 2021, 04:24:25 PM
SB, you've been pretty goddamn on it today I must admit!

DW - okay sure, I exaggerated a bit. I do think Risso has a point however - the message this sends is that we've accepted our place in the world, in a slight Ronnie Corbettish way. I don't think this tells the likes of Ward-Prowse that Villa is the place to be.

I don't know or care enough to know about other squads, but how many others have a fourth-choice central defender of his quality?

I'd guess third-choice, no matter how harsh that might be on Hause, I just don't think he's coming here to be fourth choice. That is also what concerns me though - is he coming to start? Ahead of whom? At, lord help us, defensive midfield? Seems strange to me.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 04, 2021, 04:29:07 PM
The way I see it is that Bogarde might be good enough this time next year so it does no harm to send him out to improve, then if he does well he replaces Axel.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: paul_e on August 04, 2021, 04:31:22 PM
The way I see it is that Bogarde might be good enough this time next year so it does no harm to send him out to improve, then if he does well he replaces Axel.

I agree with this part, I just don't think Tuanzebe is a particularly good choice to fill that gap. I'd prefer someone like Cahill if that's all we're looking for.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: Flamingo Lane on August 04, 2021, 04:38:05 PM
Someone a couple of pages back described him as bang average.  Sadly, I agree.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 04, 2021, 04:45:11 PM
The way I see it is that Bogarde might be good enough this time next year so it does no harm to send him out to improve, then if he does well he replaces Axel.

I agree with this part, I just don't think Tuanzebe is a particularly good choice to fill that gap. I'd prefer someone like Cahill if that's all we're looking for.

Maybe we asked and he wants to stay in London.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: eamonn on August 04, 2021, 04:45:53 PM
Give us another season you shit.

 ;D

Yeah, Jack, you shit!

Your two best posts in years in the space of a few minutes! (Doreen and the haddock - very evocative! I wonder how old the last baby to be named Doreen, is now...)
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: brontebilly on August 04, 2021, 04:46:28 PM
Dont see what's wrong with getting him onloan

We should be past the stage of getting in players on loan, well ok if it's Messi but paying Man Utd a third loan fee for Tuanzebe* screams small time

* I do like him as a player, mind.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: Steve67 on August 04, 2021, 04:52:18 PM
The way I see it is that Bogarde might be good enough this time next year so it does no harm to send him out to improve, then if he does well he replaces Axel.

I agree with this one, especially as United are offering him a new contract and protecting their investment.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: paul_e on August 04, 2021, 04:55:17 PM
The way I see it is that Bogarde might be good enough this time next year so it does no harm to send him out to improve, then if he does well he replaces Axel.

I agree with this part, I just don't think Tuanzebe is a particularly good choice to fill that gap. I'd prefer someone like Cahill if that's all we're looking for.

Maybe we asked and he wants to stay in London.

Maybe, but there's other players of that profile I'd go with ahead of a 3rd loan for a player who, in my opinion, has never looked good enough to be in the top half of the premier league.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: richtheholtender on August 04, 2021, 04:56:38 PM
I have no problem in Axel signing on loan. I do have issue with him signing on a new contract at United first. Its not rely showing an interest I'm actually joining us long term and also it's about time we got a potential bargain free transfer. He could still sign it at a later date but give us a fighting chance
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: robleflaneur on August 04, 2021, 05:00:33 PM
He's replacing Engels.Smith obviously doesn't feel that Dominic Revan ,Bridges  and others are ready for the PL.It literally buys a year's time and the young central defenders can go out on loan and we can  assess our options in a year's time.
It enables us to spend more in other areas.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: garyellis on August 04, 2021, 05:13:07 PM
The only caveat I have is his fitness so let the medics do their job.
Other than that it is a no brainer.
Next please
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: Ads on August 04, 2021, 05:14:31 PM
The way I see it is that Bogarde might be good enough this time next year so it does no harm to send him out to improve, then if he does well he replaces Axel.

That's That's way I see it too.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: Ian. on August 04, 2021, 05:59:15 PM
The way I see it is that Bogarde might be good enough this time next year so it does no harm to send him out to improve, then if he does well he replaces Axel.

That's That's way I see it too.

Yep, we need decent squad players as well as first team starters.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 04, 2021, 05:59:52 PM
Yeah ok as a squad filler.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: cdbullyweefan on August 04, 2021, 06:00:36 PM
I suppose getting players from scummy Manchester clubs with a pre-agreed return date saves a lot of messing around.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: cdbullyweefan on August 04, 2021, 06:01:24 PM
The way I see it is that Bogarde might be good enough this time next year so it does no harm to send him out to improve, then if he does well he replaces Axel.

That's That's way I see it too.

Yep, we need decent squad players as well as first team starters.

They can be as good as Lionel Messi. If they're never fit enough to play, what's the point? Should we maybe see if Jermaine Jenas wants to come back?
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: Ian. on August 04, 2021, 06:13:26 PM
The way I see it is that Bogarde might be good enough this time next year so it does no harm to send him out to improve, then if he does well he replaces Axel.

That's That's way I see it too.

Yep, we need decent squad players as well as first team starters.

They can be as good as Lionel Messi. If they're never fit enough to play, what's the point? Should we maybe see if Jermaine Jenas wants to come back?

I must admit, this could be something that holds him back and a concern for anyone interested in him. Letís hope heís over his injury issues.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: Demitri_C on August 04, 2021, 06:25:54 PM
The way I see it is that Bogarde might be good enough this time next year so it does no harm to send him out to improve, then if he does well he replaces Axel.

Good post and i completely agree
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: Jon Crofts on August 04, 2021, 08:58:11 PM
Interesting one is Axel, a year contract extension with United and out on loan with us for a year could see us with a buy option at the end I suppose.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: darren woolley on August 04, 2021, 09:09:57 PM
I like him I'm glad he's coming back to us.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: Matt C on August 04, 2021, 09:18:54 PM
Iím sure weíll have an option to buy on this one. Seems like a sensible insurance signing for us.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on August 04, 2021, 09:39:15 PM
We'd better start dusting down that old Axel song we sang in the Championship, then. Will be good to see him back!
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: DrGonzo on August 04, 2021, 10:32:53 PM
I'm sure the year extension will be to do with being given a season long loan with only a low fee attached. Unless he has a real impact I can't see this as anything more than a squad filler, like a bruised tangerine in a sad kid's Xmas stocking.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: Risso on August 04, 2021, 10:35:49 PM
I'm sure the year extension will be to do with being given a season long loan with only a low fee attached. Unless he has a real impact I can't see this as anything more than a squad filler, like a bruised tangerine in a sad kid's Xmas stocking.

Jesus mate, thatís got me filling up!
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: Ads on August 08, 2021, 01:02:36 PM
He's back.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on August 08, 2021, 01:04:58 PM
Welcome back again Axel!
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: Risso on August 08, 2021, 01:06:11 PM
Fair enough, I suppose not every signing has to be a world beating superstar. Handy back up I guess.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: andyh on August 08, 2021, 01:06:57 PM
Good squad filler. Was decent in the championship, I hope heís  as good  at this level.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: Demitri_C on August 08, 2021, 01:07:04 PM
Welcome home axel !!
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 08, 2021, 01:08:02 PM
Heís a good player. He never let us down in the time he was here and adds more depth to a position where we have two excellent players in starting positions. Not many clubs have the quality of Axel and Hause in back up roles. Welcome back Axel.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 08, 2021, 01:09:21 PM
I wonder if it is a loan to buy ,  but then he is injury prone
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: London Villan on August 08, 2021, 01:11:38 PM
Sensible and most welcome signing. Just the midfield to sort now.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: OCD on August 08, 2021, 01:11:49 PM
Has anyone checked to see whether CD is ok?

Welcome Axel.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on August 08, 2021, 01:12:43 PM
Welcome back, Axel! X

Will be interesting to see how good he is at this level.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: olaftab on August 08, 2021, 01:14:56 PM
I don't like loaning players from our rivals.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: Lastfootstamper on August 08, 2021, 01:17:49 PM
We'll be having a proper go in the early rounds of the Cups, then. We're getting a bit of a squad we'll need to keep up to speed.

Welcome back, and if you're not staying again, here's hoping your visit once more culminates in a Wembley victory. Which it will do. Because it's our year.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 08, 2021, 01:19:48 PM
Good stuff. He knows it makes sense to be here.
Knows the set up and can be a quality addition.

Does seem like no more attackers are coming ther
But welcome back AT !
Proper player who can tackle and has great attitude
Pleased to have him back
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: cdbullyweefan on August 08, 2021, 01:21:51 PM
Well I won't moan now that he's here. Welcome back Axel, don't be injured please.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: BC Villain on August 08, 2021, 01:28:28 PM
I would that if he was going out in loan, then it would be somewhere he was going to play regularly.  Can't see him dislodging Konsa. Or Mings
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: SamTheMouse on August 08, 2021, 01:29:13 PM
As long as we have an option to buy him at the end of the season, fine.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 08, 2021, 01:30:00 PM
Sensible and most welcome signing. Just the midfield to sort now.

He'll come in useful when we switch to 5-3-2 to accommodate Ings and Watkins.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: jwarry on August 08, 2021, 01:30:30 PM
As long as we have an option to buy him at the end of the season, fine.


or he could be season filler to give the likes of Bogarde time to grow and develop
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: Ian. on August 08, 2021, 01:31:04 PM
Iím trying to remember, but did we have Milner on loan a year or so before we actually bought him?
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 08, 2021, 01:32:22 PM
Iím trying to remember, but did we have Milner on loan a year or so before we actually bought him?

Yes. He was on loan from Newcastle.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: dave shelley on August 08, 2021, 01:34:07 PM
weren't we about to sign him on deadline day but Newcastle called it off at the last minute?
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 08, 2021, 01:35:47 PM
Do we really still need to loan players from Man fucking Yoo?
Decent player apart from the injury record but If we couldnít just buy him for an acceptable fee were there not better options out there?
Just doesnít give out the right vibe for me, a small time move.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: sickbeggar on August 08, 2021, 01:39:15 PM
Mixed feelings about this. Can't see the point of a loan as he's not gonna be first choice. I presume Man U want him playing so they can flog him. Don't see what's in it for him being in our reserves rather than ManU's. Decent cover I guess but an odd one for me
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: danno on August 08, 2021, 01:40:58 PM
Perhaps we're open to buying him and Man Utd are open to selling him, but we've taken him on loan to see if he's over his injuries first?
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: Matt C on August 08, 2021, 01:46:32 PM
Imagine heís on loan so we can give Bogarde a year to develop and then make a decision.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 08, 2021, 01:47:32 PM
If the ball isnít firmly in our court in terms of whether we can buy him or not I donít want a Man Utd player starting for Aston Villa over an Aston Villa player, especially considering where weíre now supposed to be as a club.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 08, 2021, 01:50:20 PM
I think some are reading too much into this. Heís going to help us more than he helps Man U even if he does go back. Heís never going to be a starter there and he will rarely play games. For us heís much more legitimate cover, has a greater chance to start and not allow our overall performances to drop if he does come in. Realistically we are competing with clubs for finishing position in the 5th to 8th and our overall quality even without Jack, and depth is now significantly better than it was last season, which was the goal after how last season ended.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: sickbeggar on August 08, 2021, 01:52:22 PM
Perhaps we're open to buying him and Man Utd are open to selling him, but we've taken him on loan to see if he's over his injuries first?

yeah but even if we wanted to buy him would he come here to be a reserve? We haven't got a bad 1st choice defence imo so you'd think if he was ready to leave Man U for game time, you'd head off somewhere where your guaranteed games. Just don't see what's in it for him. Anyway. Decent cover i guess if fit.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 08, 2021, 01:53:30 PM
Isn't he in the last year of his contract at Man Utd?
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: danno on August 08, 2021, 01:56:40 PM
Perhaps we're open to buying him and Man Utd are open to selling him, but we've taken him on loan to see if he's over his injuries first?

yeah but even if we wanted to buy him would he come here to be a reserve? We haven't got a bad 1st choiuce defence imo so you'd think if he was ready to leave Man U for game time, you'd head off somewhere where your guaranteed games. Just don't see what's in it for him. Anyway. Decent cover i guess if fit.

I do agree but he's a professional footballer. None of them, not one. Ever joins a club thinking they're not going to get an opportunity and then go on to cement their place in the side.

He went back to Man United thinking he'd break into their first team, he's going to believe he can get into ours.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe (Returned to Manyoo)
Post by: robbo1874 on August 08, 2021, 01:56:58 PM
Welcome back to VP Axel!
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: LeeB on August 08, 2021, 01:58:32 PM
We get to do the song again, so it's worth for that alone.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 08, 2021, 01:58:52 PM
Our central defensive partnership is as good as any. We have some very promising youngsters. We didn't have much in between, but now we have. As someone said a few days ago, we've bought twelve months for Bogarde.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: Flamingo Lane on August 08, 2021, 02:02:48 PM
Nothing I've seen of this bloke either for us or for them would suggest to me that he is likely to be decent in the premier league, even as cover (and you have to assume he will get to play, at some point, otherwise there's no point bringing him in).  Having said that, Smith will already have had more than enough time to be able to assess his qualities, so let's see.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: Villan For Life on August 08, 2021, 02:06:55 PM
Isn't he in the last year of his contract at Man Utd?

Heís just signed a new contract with them
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 08, 2021, 02:08:16 PM
Ah, thanks.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 08, 2021, 02:11:00 PM
I wonder if Tuanzebe means the end of Guilbert (given that Axel can play at centre half and full back)?
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: Legion on August 08, 2021, 02:12:03 PM
Can't see him dislodging Konsa or Mings but decent back-up. Welcome back.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: PhilVill on August 08, 2021, 02:13:10 PM
Happy enough with this, he knows the club and is good cover for cb and also right back. If we could get Ward Prowse next week I would be delighted with the business done
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: Scott Nielsen on August 08, 2021, 02:22:05 PM
Don't quite understand how so many can be so certain he's back as our 4th choice CB. Why would he want to be that at Villa rather than Man Utd? Seems more likely he has received encouragement he'll play or it seems a very odd career move on his part.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: OCD on August 08, 2021, 02:22:10 PM
Can't see him dislodging Konsa or Mings but decent back-up. Welcome back.

There's talk that we want the option of being able to play a back 3 at times.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 08, 2021, 02:28:10 PM
I wonder if Tuanzebe means the end of Guilbert (given that Axel can play at centre half and full back)?

I think so. He'll cover at RB when Cash isn't around.

Freddie I'm afraid just in that Engels camp of he played a bit, manager decided he wasn't for him and it's now a case of hanging around until a decent offer comes in. Would be surprised if Gulibert is still here 2nd September.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: robbo1874 on August 08, 2021, 02:30:25 PM
Heís a decent player and a good character. The good character thing is under rated. Look at when we were last a really good side under big Ron - characters all through the side who could play a bit. Villa seem to have it sussed now
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: eamonn on August 08, 2021, 02:44:15 PM
Wow, back for a third time. Maybe he's destined to be at Yanited all his career and loaned-out to Villa every second year!

Seriously though, could Dean be thinking that Konsa might be worth a go as the midfield-base lynchpin we need and if that works, Tuanzebe could partner Mings ?
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 08, 2021, 02:52:02 PM
I didn't even realise it was his 3rd time. So he was here before the 18/19 season? I've completely forgotten that.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 08, 2021, 02:54:21 PM
Reasonably pleased with this.  Iíd prefer the try before you buy option than spending £20m on a reserve and also gives the youth players a year to develop.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: Monty on August 08, 2021, 03:13:47 PM
What if the plan is to move Konsa into defensive midfield?
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 08, 2021, 03:26:26 PM
What if the plan is to move Konsa into defensive midfield?

Which will allow him to get picked for England as a CB
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 08, 2021, 03:40:32 PM
Welcome back Axel be good.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: eamonn on August 08, 2021, 03:44:28 PM
What if the plan is to move Konsa into defensive midfield?

I just said that  >:(
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: cdbullyweefan on August 08, 2021, 03:53:11 PM
What if the plan is to move Konsa into defensive midfield?

Jesus fucking Christ. And I thought your three at the back nonsense was bad.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: cdbullyweefan on August 08, 2021, 03:53:43 PM
Anyway, welcome back Axel. Be good and don't be injured, please.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: algy on August 08, 2021, 04:11:12 PM
Welcome back, Axel. Think it's one of the few instances where a loan makes more sense than an outright purchase. Hope we have an option to buy him, but not the end of the world if we don't.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: brontebilly on August 08, 2021, 04:13:01 PM
What if the plan is to move Konsa into defensive midfield?

Let's hope no such plan ever exists
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: Damo70 on August 08, 2021, 04:19:58 PM
Anyway, welcome back Axel. Be good and don't be injured, please.

He is versatile and can play centre half and full back and at the ideal age to impress so I think this is a a good move on Villa's part.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 08, 2021, 04:32:05 PM
I didn't even realise it was his 3rd time. So he was here before the 18/19 season? I've completely forgotten that.

Yeah we got him halfway through 17/18 didn't we but he pretty much got injured straight away so barely played. Then came back start of next season once the takeover happened and of course Bruce played him at RB and Jedinak and Chester on one leg as the CB duo!
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: CT Villan on August 08, 2021, 04:47:05 PM
Not good enough for where we want to be. As 4th choice maybe if the loan is cheap.

I'd prefer somebody Scandinavian, we need a new Viking at the back.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: RichardBatchelor on August 08, 2021, 04:54:33 PM
What if the plan is to move Konsa into defensive midfield?

A sort of reverse McGrath? Ifís itís half as effective ....
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: Demitri_C on August 08, 2021, 05:58:00 PM
Im pretty sure this is to save money until the summer as we still need to follow ffp rules. We lost 90m last window

With the 100m from grealish deal we certainly are ok now
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: darren woolley on August 08, 2021, 06:35:35 PM
Welcome back Axel.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: Monty on August 08, 2021, 06:54:21 PM
What if the plan is to move Konsa into defensive midfield?

Jesus fucking Christ. And I thought your three at the back nonsense was bad.

What if the plan is to move Konsa into defensive midfield?

Let's hope no such plan ever exists

I have taken your feedback into account and will be releasing a statement to that effect shortly.

In all seriousness, it's not my idea, but he did play there sometimes for Dean at Brentford I believe, so who knows what's in Dean's mind.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: Smithy on August 08, 2021, 07:09:04 PM
I like Axel, he did a good job for us in the Championship, and I was disappointed we couldn't make his move permanent when we got promoted.  Since then, Tyrone has improved an awful lot, and we've brought in Konsa who appears to have a higher ceiling than both of them.  I suspect we've brought him in as 3rd/4th choice centre half, and emergency cover at full-back (assuming Guilbert is staying).  He's basically replacing Engels - and barring injuries, I suspect we'll see him in the first team about as often as we saw him.

I do hope there is some sort of deal to buy him next summer if he does well, I think he'll be heading back with one year left on his United contract, so wouldn't too much I'd think.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: PeterWithe on August 08, 2021, 07:28:38 PM
No complaints but I'd hope we'll soon be bringing our own players through to be 3/4th choice in all positions.

Glad to see him back, he always seemed happy to be here before.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: Drummond on August 08, 2021, 08:53:01 PM
Engels out, Tuanzebe in. We've strengthened.

No complaints from me. As has been said, our younger players will be closer to playing in a year.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: eamonn on August 08, 2021, 08:59:21 PM
Im pretty sure this is to save money until the summer as we still need to follow ffp rules. We lost 90m last window

With the 100m from grealish deal we certainly are ok now

It may have been a consideration but what would Tuanzebe's market value be? Under £10m I imagine, not a great deal in the grand scheme.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: Villafirst on August 08, 2021, 09:10:53 PM
Just follow the Man Citeh model for FFP. ie. don't give a shit, hire top lawyers and get a paltry fine and no points deducted....
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: PeterWithe on August 08, 2021, 09:12:08 PM
Just follow the Man Citeh model for FFP. ie. don't give a shit, hire top lawyers and get a paltry fine and no points deducted....

Just dont answer the door when the FA accountants call round
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 09, 2021, 10:11:21 AM
Just follow the Man Citeh model for FFP. ie. don't give a shit, hire top lawyers and get a paltry fine and no points deducted....

Just dont answer the door when the FA accountants call round
refuse to co-operate with the procedure and somehow get found not guilty, how does that happen i wonder.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: in exile on August 10, 2021, 10:59:56 AM
His ambition must be nil, prepared to sit on our bench instead of Man U's.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: Forge10 on August 10, 2021, 11:17:43 AM
Im pretty sure this is to save money until the summer as we still need to follow ffp rules. We lost 90m last window

With the 100m from grealish deal we certainly are ok now

It may have been a consideration but what would Tuanzebe's market value be? Under £10m I imagine, not a great deal in the grand scheme.

Personally I think in todays market he's probably in the £15m category. £5m over three years including wages equals that amount?
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: sid1964 on August 10, 2021, 11:23:04 AM
When I saw this was top of the listings on the forum, I thought I was going to read he is injured and out for a few months!
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: Scott Nielsen on August 10, 2021, 11:26:30 AM
His ambition must be nil, prepared to sit on our bench instead of Man U's.

Or he has been made to believe he'll get plenty of playing time here.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: eamonn on August 10, 2021, 12:00:30 PM
Has he stretched the shirt or given a state-approved interview yet? One of the elite few to play for Villa in three different spells.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 10, 2021, 02:34:10 PM
Has he stretched the shirt or given a state-approved interview yet? One of the elite few to play for Villa in three different spells.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E8RFI2zXIAAw5Uy?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: WarszaVillan on August 10, 2021, 02:45:50 PM
Has he stretched the shirt or given a state-approved interview yet? One of the elite few to play for Villa in three different spells.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E8RFI2zXIAAw5Uy?format=jpg&name=small)

Can't think of any other 'three timers' apart from Sid.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: sid1964 on August 10, 2021, 03:31:53 PM
I would of thought he would of got more game time at Man U as they are in more competitions than us?
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: eamonn on August 10, 2021, 03:44:09 PM
He looks happy!

@Warsza - Yes, Sid was the only one that came to mind.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: dave shelley on August 10, 2021, 05:36:05 PM
Andy Gray?
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: in exile on August 12, 2021, 06:19:35 AM
His ambition must be nil, prepared to sit on our bench instead of Man U's.

Or he has been made to believe he'll get plenty of playing time here.
Yeah, right.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: rob_bridge on August 12, 2021, 07:12:35 AM
I would of thought he would of got more game time at Man U as they are in more competitions than us?

MaGuire Bailly Lindelof and now Varanne. That's a lot of hardware ahead of him
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: eamonn on August 12, 2021, 01:26:10 PM
Hardware? IBM compatible I hope.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: Demitri_C on August 12, 2021, 07:49:54 PM
Tuanzebe interview on OS.  Have to say he comes across a really decent  lad. Good attitude and just looks thrilled to be back
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on August 12, 2021, 09:51:41 PM
Yup. Seems a nice young man.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 24, 2021, 07:12:59 PM
Wondered if he was to play a defensive midfield role as a practice as such
But good to see him given the minutes tonight alongside Courtney
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: Demitri_C on August 25, 2021, 09:29:30 AM
I thought he played really well . He looks massive
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: mr underhill on August 25, 2021, 10:51:33 AM
He did play well last night, as ever the concern is keeping  fit - a big unit but as crumbly as a Cadbury Flake .
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: Ian. on August 25, 2021, 07:33:22 PM
When he came on at the weekend and also last night I didnít recognise him at first, he looks a right beast. Heís certainly been spending dang time in the gym.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: Demitri_C on August 25, 2021, 07:39:00 PM
When he came on at the weekend and also last night I didnít recognise him at first, he looks a right beast. Heís certainly been spending dang time in the gym.

Considering his soze he is quite quick as well. I hope there is a option to buy if he impressed. Lets be real how is he ever gonna get ahead of varane or maguire?
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 28, 2021, 02:09:30 PM
Good to see Tuanzebe in the starting 11 Vs Brentford.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: dcdavecollett on August 29, 2021, 01:38:25 AM
Actually, it was bad, as it meant Tyrone was injured!
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: Demitri_C on August 29, 2021, 07:39:20 AM
I thought axel was great
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: Villan82 on August 29, 2021, 08:32:17 AM
Great to have him back to step in.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: Demitri_C on August 29, 2021, 09:58:40 AM
Axels problem is he is so injury prone. Of he stays fit i think he is great. I would certainly welcome him on a permanent tranafer if he continues his form
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: Mister E on August 29, 2021, 01:02:22 PM
Based on yesterday, his strength in the air has improved and his range of passing out of defence was excellent.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: brontebilly on August 29, 2021, 01:12:34 PM
Based on yesterday, his strength in the air has improved and his range of passing out of defence was excellent.

Playing on the wrong side too. Clearly, third choice ahead of Hause. Lukaku will be a different type of test though.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: Demitri_C on September 16, 2021, 12:07:23 PM
Great to see the greater Manchester police force has taken no action on the racism axel received online as "they have exhausted all avenues" and closing the cases for him and martial.

That will show all those racist coward trolls to stop. Pathetic

Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: ChicagoLion on September 16, 2021, 05:04:52 PM
Based on yesterday, his strength in the air has improved and his range of passing out of defence was excellent.

Playing on the wrong side too. Clearly, third choice ahead of Hause. Lukaku will be a different type of test though.
He got caught wrong side and then sprinted to make up for his lack of positioning and made it easy for Lukaku to score. Piss poor defending.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: brontebilly on September 16, 2021, 09:21:39 PM
Based on yesterday, his strength in the air has improved and his range of passing out of defence was excellent.

Playing on the wrong side too. Clearly, third choice ahead of Hause. Lukaku will be a different type of test though.
He got caught wrong side and then sprinted to make up for his lack of positioning and made it easy for Lukaku to score. Piss poor defending.

Yes, was very poor. Seemed to me as if he didn't fancy a physical contest with Lukaku in the box (a problem with physical forwards in the championship) and sold himself with embarrassing ease as a result. Should have blocked him and held up him or at a minimum forced Lukaku to shoot with his left from a narrow angle.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: N'ZMAV on September 17, 2021, 01:43:25 PM
He doesn't appear bulky enough to have taken on and beaten Lukaku in that sort of battle
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: Sleeuwenhoek on September 17, 2021, 02:39:43 PM
Lukaku said he knew Axel would think he'd go for a left foot shot, as they'd played together before, and then dummied him; sometimes just got to give credit to the other player.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: N'ZMAV on September 17, 2021, 03:26:41 PM
yeah, Lukaku is unplayable on his day
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 23, 2021, 11:24:55 PM
Thought he played well Vs Chelsea cup tie. Real leader at the back and showed good character.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 24, 2021, 02:32:45 PM
Dean Smith on Axel
Heís a fantastic player, thatís why we wanted him. On top of that, heís got an unbelievable attitude and application to the game. "His character within the dressing room Ė for me, thereís a future captain in there for whichever club heís at. Heíll go back to Manchester United at the end of the season. ďHeís a wonderful character and his game is getting better and better. Heís done exceptionally well since heís come into the team. Heíll be a big loss we have to decide whether to go to a back four or stick with a five."
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: Ian. on September 24, 2021, 04:32:51 PM
Axel seems so much stronger than when he played for us before. He's certainly come on a lot.
Do we have an option to buy him?
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: DrGonzo on September 24, 2021, 04:37:42 PM
He signed a 12 month extension before he joined.  That would suggest that Yanited don't want him leaving on a free.  Maybe one of those "gentlemen's agreements" that so incensed the hordes over the summer.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: Ian. on September 24, 2021, 04:38:46 PM
That's a shame, I quite like him. It would be so much better if he was ours come what May and not wasting away with that lot.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: DrGonzo on September 24, 2021, 04:42:35 PM
With Varane in, he's less likely to play so there's a fair chance it will happen.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: Villafirst on October 13, 2021, 05:06:37 AM
I noticed Varane got injured playing for France. Hopefully no recall clause for Axel as Maguire is still injured?
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: paul_e on October 13, 2021, 12:06:28 PM
I noticed Varane got injured playing for France. Hopefully no recall clause for Axel as Maguire is still injured?

He wouldn't be able to play until January even if they wanted to recall him.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: Risso on October 13, 2021, 03:45:50 PM
He signed a season long loan and under Premier League rules they canít be recalled early.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: Bully2345 on October 14, 2021, 12:22:30 PM
When you pay a fee for the loan, you can't have a recall clause. I believe we paid £5m for the season
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: paul_e on October 14, 2021, 12:52:16 PM
There are ways that the loan can end early though, but not until January.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: Scott Nielsen on October 16, 2021, 08:15:23 AM
There are ways that the loan can end early though, but not until January.

What conditions are those, out of curiosity?
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: Risso on October 16, 2021, 08:34:46 AM
There are ways that the loan can end early though, but not until January.

What conditions are those, out of curiosity?

I'm guessing that both clubs have to agree to it.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: ChicagoLion on October 16, 2021, 09:53:21 AM
Didnít Purslow make a big thing a bout us not being a place to improve other teams players ?

Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: paul_e on October 16, 2021, 10:09:01 AM
There are ways that the loan can end early though, but not until January.

What conditions are those, out of curiosity?

I'm guessing that both clubs have to agree to it.

Yep, happened with Drinkwater at Burnley to allow us to take him for example.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: OCD on October 16, 2021, 05:02:54 PM
Absolute shit today. Bring Hause back in.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: mrfuse on October 16, 2021, 05:06:28 PM
Absolute shit today. Bring Hause back in.

Agreed kept passing to a Wolves shirt under no pressure and could have cleared the 2nd goal easily.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: Risso on October 16, 2021, 05:15:05 PM
Utter shite.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: Flamingo Lane on October 16, 2021, 05:40:08 PM
Didnít Purslow make a big thing a bout us not being a place to improve other teams players ?



Well, at the moment it certainly looks like we aren't such a place.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: Steve67 on October 16, 2021, 06:15:17 PM
He isn't a great player.  Not great in the air, lacks concentration.  If he was that good, he'd be at least a bench player for United.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: Nii Lamptey on October 16, 2021, 06:36:10 PM
I'd be mightily pissed off tonight if I was Kourtney Hause.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: steamer on October 16, 2021, 07:12:58 PM
He will not take this team forward
We need at 2 savy monsters to replace him and put pressure on Mings
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on October 16, 2021, 07:18:47 PM
I'd be mightily pissed off tonight if I was Kourtney Hause.

I thought that before kick off. Imagine at full time.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: Grande Pablo on October 16, 2021, 07:43:13 PM
Saw the team & was disappointed not to see Hause.  I wasn't wrong.  Abject for their equaliser.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: ChicagoLion on October 16, 2021, 07:44:42 PM
Utter shite.
Kept giving the ball away and was slow and ponderous with the ball.
All over the place.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: Risso on October 16, 2021, 07:52:50 PM
Why are we developing a Man United loanee instead of playing Hause and developing him?
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: ChicagoLion on October 16, 2021, 07:54:54 PM
Why are we developing a Man United loanee instead of playing Hause and developing him?
or why are we playing 3 at the back to keep him happy?
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: AV82EC on October 16, 2021, 08:58:51 PM
He was poor today, the worst of our back 3. Misplaced passes quite often in dangerous areas and he seems to be running in treacle the last 10 minutes.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: wittonwarrior on October 16, 2021, 09:25:53 PM
Did whatever the stipulations in the loan deal. No way should he start ahead of Hause
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: BC Villain on October 16, 2021, 09:56:30 PM
Why are we developing a Man United loanee instead of playing Hause and developing him?

Especially given Purslow saying two years ago that we wouldn't be using the loan market again
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: ROBBO on October 16, 2021, 09:58:23 PM
He was rubbish, Hause would not be happy.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: olaftab on October 16, 2021, 10:28:23 PM
Why are we developing a Man United loanee instead of playing Hause and developing him?
Absolutely. I really hate these arrangements and if we have agreed to give him some starts this season that is a compromise we should never enter into. Playing players due to an obligation is just not acceptable.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 16, 2021, 10:47:50 PM
Well right or wrong I suspect Tuanzebe might well be our player at the end of the season.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: Villafirst on October 16, 2021, 10:55:00 PM
Too many harsh comments. Overall he's been good so far this season. I suspect two weeks of inactivity hasn't helped with this damned international break.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: Risso on October 16, 2021, 10:59:22 PM
He was crap today and crap against Chelsea.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 16, 2021, 11:01:34 PM
I don't get it with Tuanzebe.

I mean, he's alright at times, but why do we have this ongoing love affair with him that means loaning him at every opportunity?

He's not bad, but really, is that good enough?
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: SoccerHQ on October 16, 2021, 11:05:24 PM
Why are we developing a Man United loanee instead of playing Hause and developing him?

We'll sign him in January I bet and sell Hause next summer so that's why I think.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: Demitri_C on October 17, 2021, 12:45:30 AM
Mings was the walking disaster today not tuanzebe.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: Uknowthescore on October 17, 2021, 12:48:11 AM
Mings was the walking disaster today not tuanzebe.

They was both really bad. That last 15mins was atrocious
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: Scott Nielsen on October 17, 2021, 02:26:10 AM
I don't get it with Tuanzebe.

I mean, he's alright at times, but why do we have this ongoing love affair with him that means loaning him at every opportunity?

He's not bad, but really, is that good enough?

Exactly how I feel.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: Bobby Boy on October 17, 2021, 10:35:43 AM
He was like Ugo versus Norwich in that first half. Every time he had the ball I was bricking it.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: olaftab on October 17, 2021, 12:04:54 PM
Why are we developing a Man United loanee instead of playing Hause and developing him?

We'll sign him in January I bet and sell Hause next summer so that's why I think.
And then sigh when Hause makes it into an international defender and Tuanzebe is sitting on the bench at Villa park week in week out.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: Mortimer's Bear on October 18, 2021, 07:53:22 AM
He was like Ugo versus Norwich in that first half. Every time he had the ball I was bricking it.

If the Ugo comparison continues moving forward then he'll do for me.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: PaulTheVillan on October 18, 2021, 10:11:34 AM
Really not been convinced by Tuanzebe so far this time around.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: SamTheMouse on October 18, 2021, 10:18:09 AM
Why are we developing a Man United loanee instead of playing Hause and developing him?

We'll sign him in January I bet and sell Hause next summer so that's why I think.
And then sigh when Hause makes it into an international defender and Tuanzebe is sitting on the bench at Villa park week in week out.

I don't think Hause is comfortable enough on the ball to ever be considered international standard.

Mind you, neither is Mings, but he seems to think he is, and apparently that's sufficient.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: ChicagoLion on October 18, 2021, 10:46:43 AM
Why are we developing a Man United loanee instead of playing Hause and developing him?

We'll sign him in January I bet and sell Hause next summer so that's why I think.
And then sigh when Hause makes it into an international defender and Tuanzebe is sitting on the bench at Villa park week in week out.

I don't think Hause is comfortable enough on the ball to ever be considered international standard.

Mind you, neither is Mings, but he seems to think he is, and apparently that's sufficient.
I would take Hause over either of them right now.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: Hookeysmith on October 18, 2021, 03:19:38 PM
Really not been convinced by Tuanzebe so far this time around.

I was not that convinced first time round in Championship but not good enough for premier and i would be mightily pissed off if i was Hause. At least Hause offers something at set pieces Axel offers nothing at either end of the pitch.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: brontebilly on October 18, 2021, 04:56:02 PM
Tuanzebe is struggling in a back 3 (surprisingly so for me as I thought he would be well suited) but he isn't the only one. Konsa isn't as composed either and Mings thinks he is even more of a Maldini. Tuanzebe did play very well against Chelsea in a back 4 only a few weeks ago. Before then he also was very solid against Brentford. Moral of the story, we need to switch back to a back 4.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: Drummond on October 18, 2021, 05:03:53 PM
Tuanzebe is struggling in a back 3 (surprisingly so for me as I thought he would be well suited) but he isn't the only one. Konsa isn't as composed either and Mings thinks he is even more of a Maldini. Tuanzebe did play very well against Chelsea in a back 4 only a few weeks ago. Before then he also was very solid against Brentford. Moral of the story, we need to switch back to a back 4.

We need horses for courses. We've proven we can do well with both 3-5-2 and 4-3-3, but we've also proven we can fuck it up with both too.
Title: Re: Axel Tuanzebe - back
Post by: Risso on October 18, 2021, 05:12:50 PM
Have played a proper 4-3-3 yet this season? I don't want us to go back to 4-2-3-1.
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