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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: SoccerHQ on December 09, 2017, 04:55:08 PM
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Shite performance.
Shite result.
Need to win one of the big ones over xmas now. Can't say I fancy us much at Derby.
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Shite performance.
Shite result.
Need to win one of the big ones over xmas now. Can't say I fancy us much at Derby.
Unfortunately I agree with youon all 3 points.
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players seemed totally half arsed today. goalkeeper motm. we are such a horrible football team to watch
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Only saw the last 20. Poor & sloppy.
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That's a garbage result, not good enough.
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Bad day at the office
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Positives, Johnstone?
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Onomah, Davis and Snodgrass were abysmal, but top of the shit list is Bruce for picking a crap team, setting them up too deep and not getting them to press the opposition. What is it going to take to get us to play on the front foot and take the game to the other team ? Answers on a postcard to Noel Edmunds' Multi-color Swapshop.
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Thought I'd give AVTV a try for the match. First thought was 'That's a good picture' but that was the highlight of the afternoon.
What a load of abject shite. If that's Bruceball, you can f-in keep it.
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Bad day at the office
We have way too many of them under Bruce. It simply isn’t good enough. Today is an absolutely dreadful result.
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He knows this league inside out. He's spent way too much fucking time in it.
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We'll be about 8th by mid January. We'll get a bit of a hiding at Derby next week.
Absolute shite football nearly every week. Slow, laboured, boring, predictable shite.
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Didn't see or hear any of it today - and it doesn't seem like I missed anything. Pat Murphy just said Johnstone was MOTM. At Villa Park. Against facking MILLWALL! It's high time Bruce started to show us why he's such a bleedin' expert at getting his teams promoted from the Championship... ::)
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Shouldn't Hogan have come on for the last 15?
I know we lost Samba but couldn't one of the midfielders have dropped back?
We need to win these type of games.
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Glad I didn't go to that one. Need another goalscorer and Samba injured long term? Elphick to the rescue.
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We'll be about 8th by mid January. We'll get a bit of a hiding at Derby next week.
Absolute shite football nearly every week. Slow, laboured, boring, predictable shite.
Bullshit. What about Preston, Ipswich, QPR, Leeds second half?
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We'll be about 8th by mid January. We'll get a bit of a hiding at Derby next week.
Absolute shite football nearly every week. Slow, laboured, boring, predictable shite.
He'll get us up apparently
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Very, very poor result.
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We'll be about 8th by mid January. We'll get a bit of a hiding at Derby next week.
Absolute shite football nearly every week. Slow, laboured, boring, predictable shite.
Bullshit. What about Preston, Ipswich, QPR, Leeds second half?
Leeds 2nd half wasn't particularly good, although I agree the other perfomances you list were decent.
The problem is that they are the exceptions. Most of the time it is poor to watch, even when we do win.
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We'll be about 8th by mid January. We'll get a bit of a hiding at Derby next week.
Absolute shite football nearly every week. Slow, laboured, boring, predictable shite.
He'll get us up apparently
He still might.
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We'll be about 8th by mid January. We'll get a bit of a hiding at Derby next week.
Absolute shite football nearly every week. Slow, laboured, boring, predictable shite.
Bullshit. What about Preston, Ipswich, QPR, Leeds second half?
Three and a half games out of twenty one! Nothing to be too happy about
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Glad I didn't go to that one. Need another goalscorer and Samba injured long term? Elphick to the rescue.
Don't worry, he'll doubtless prove to be a Boon over the festive period.
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To get top 2 you have to put teams like those twats away, in fact to be top 6 you have to, one step forward for Bruce six steps back, they have had 8 days since their last match and they look far the worse for it. If there is a worse passer of the ball than Taylor, I am yet to see him in 50+ years of watching football. drop him, put Hutton left and Elmo right. Snodgrass stop running into cul-de-sacs that do not exist. Potato head get a grip and a result at Derby next week, if not December could be the month that Bruce out thread comes to fruition.
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if we genuinely want to get up without the playoffs we need to re-energise and strengthen the squad for the final push. As a priority, we need to sign a couple of top (for this level) strikers.
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Couldn’t be bothered to go today as much as I am a big fan of Sam Johnstone to hear that he was motm suggests I made the right decision.
Am I to guess it was the usual fayre of two in centre of midfield who barely cross halfway and are there to make it a back six & a team set up to deal with the opposition threat rather than occasionally getting on the front foot & letting an opponent worry about us?
Is that 4 or 5 goalless draws this season?
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Poor result, but it happens. Even to Wolves. We need a big performance at Derby.
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Onomah, Davis and Snodgrass were abysmal, but top of the shit list is Bruce for picking a crap team, setting them up too deep and not getting them to press the opposition. What is it going to take to get us to play on the front foot and take the game to the other team ? Answers on a postcard to Noel Edmunds' Multi-color Swapshop.
Or phone him on 01-811-8055 :)
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Thank god those Cockney twats did not have anyone could could finish, a bit like us. Also why when Albert has been our only goal threat for weeks do we have hm come short for corners, or outside the box. 12 corners and not one threat,total shite.
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Poor result, but it happens. Even to Wolves. We need a big performance at Derby.
Not quite as often though.
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Poor result, but it happens. Even to Wolves. We need a big performance at Derby.
Nice try at an excuse. But shit performances and results happen to us more than Wolves. You may want to look at the table for confirmation.
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We'll be about 8th by mid January. We'll get a bit of a hiding at Derby next week.
Absolute shite football nearly every week. Slow, laboured, boring, predictable shite.
Bullshit. What about Preston, Ipswich, QPR, Leeds second half?
Leeds 2nd half wasn't particularly good, although I agree the other perfomances you list were decent.
The problem is that they are the exceptions. Most of the time it is poor to watch, even when we do win.
But when we do win, in the glow of victory there are many posters who compare us to Newcastle, who ground out the occasional result and ended up in the Prem. I would rather that than say Sheffield United, who play exciting football but are now paying the price.
I don't blame Bruce for today's result but I certainly think injuries have played their part.
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I thought Millwall were the better team and an away performance that would normally get 3 points.
I doubt if thier whole team cost more than Hogan.
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Poor result, but it happens. Even to Wolves. We need a big performance at Derby.
Nice try at an excuse. But shit performances and results happen to us more than Wolves. You may want to look at the table for confirmation.
Give it a rest mate. I can almost see you rubbing your hands with glee.
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Absolutely awful.
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Poor result, but it happens. Even to Wolves. We need a big performance at Derby.
Nice try at an excuse. But shit performances and results happen to us more than Wolves. You may want to look at the table for confirmation.
Give it a rest mate. I can almost see you rubbing your hands with glee.
It’s the I told you so fucking smugness that comes out every poor performance that gets me.
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Poor result, but it happens. Even to Wolves. We need a big performance at Derby.
Nice try at an excuse. But shit performances and results happen to us more than Wolves. You may want to look at the table for confirmation.
Give it a rest mate. I can almost see you rubbing your hands with glee.
Not at all. I just like to point out shit excuses when I see them.
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if we genuinely want to get up without the playoffs we need to re-energise and strengthen the squad for the final push. As a priority, we need to sign a couple of top (for this level) strikers.
Given the Millions spunked on Hogan in the last January 'window, I can't say I've got much faith in Bruce & co's ability in bringing in the quality we're evidently lacking (especially with constraints of FFP). Still, hope springs eternal...
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Pathetic performance,no effort at all. with tough fixtures to come it's not looking good.
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On a brighter note, I expect those cuddly 'Wall herberts were all sweetness & light this arfternoon. Their old Mums love 'em, ya know. ;)
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Spud-not-u-like
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Poor result, but it happens. Even to Wolves. We need a big performance at Derby.
Nice try at an excuse. But shit performances and results happen to us more than Wolves. You may want to look at the table for confirmation.
Give it a rest mate. I can almost see you rubbing your hands with glee.
It’s the I told you so fucking smugness that comes out every poor performance that gets me.
You shouldn't consider someone pointing out shite excuses for poor performances as 'smugness'.
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Poor result, but it happens. Even to Wolves. We need a big performance at Derby.
Nice try at an excuse. But shit performances and results happen to us more than Wolves. You may want to look at the table for confirmation.
Give it a rest mate. I can almost see you rubbing your hands with glee.
It’s the I told you so fucking smugness that comes out every poor performance that gets me.
You shouldn't consider someone pointing out shite excuses for poor performances as 'smugness'.
It wasn't an excuse though. It was an acknowledgement that poor results and performances happen. Let's move on.
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I'm pretty sure everyone would prefer to be talking about a great performance and comfortable win rather than a 1 shot on target shitfest at home to Millwall so knock off the "smugness" bollocks.
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The point made though is they happen to us a lot more than they do Wolves, and it's true which is why we're so far behind them.
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It was crap and it was cold. We never really got going at all and the only consolation was that we didnt lose.
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Poor result, but it happens. Even to Wolves. We need a big performance at Derby.
Nice try at an excuse. But shit performances and results happen to us more than Wolves. You may want to look at the table for confirmation.
Give it a rest mate. I can almost see you rubbing your hands with glee.
It’s the I told you so fucking smugness that comes out every poor performance that gets me.
Personally I'm more worried about how frequently we can have the conversation after another unsatisfactory performance / result.
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Hourihane dropped for Lansbury....thats why we are not going up
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Lucky to get a point - only the alterness of Johnstone kept us in it. Onomah and Davis won nothing in the air, samba was a liability, Lansbury hid for large portions of the game and Adomah so much more effective on the left. The big question is how to combine jack and Albert in the same team
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After the first 20 minutes there was only one team that were going to win or for that matter deserved the 3 points. 'Chaotic' best describes that performance. Once again, that same bloody question comes up, 'What the fuck do they do at Bodymoor Heath every day?'
Horrible. Awful. Ugly. Pointless. Clueless. Sadly, no surprise. What a mess.
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Well that was fucking rubbish.
Lethargic, lacklustre, sparkless rubbish.
Millwall must be absolutely dumbfounded how they haven’t won that 5-0.
Pretty much every outfield player was poor. Just thank god for our goalie.
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Bad day at the office
If I had as many bad days at the office as the team keep having, I’d be out on my arse.
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Bad day at the office
If I had as many bad days at the office as the team keep having, I’d be out on my arse.
Oh give over. We're 5th.
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It was crap and it was cold. We never really got going at all and the only consolation was that we didnt lose.
It was cold for them too Clamps and if they only had a decent forward they’d have bagged 3 today. We never got going because we weren’t good enough. There’s no excuse for just looking sloppy and unprepared and being outplayed by a side in 17th position at Villa Park.
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It was crap and it was cold. We never really got going at all and the only consolation was that we didnt lose.
It was cold for them too Clamps and if they only had a decent forward they’d have bagged 3 today. We never got going because we weren’t good enough. There’s no excuse for just looking sloppy and unprepared and being outplayed by a side in 17th position at Villa Park.
I said it was cold, not that the players were.
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Bad day at the office
If I had as many bad days at the office as the team keep having, I’d be out on my arse.
Oh give over. We're 5th.
Not 1st or 2nd then.
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Cold. Crap.
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I guess it keeps our run going and these days do happen, Sunderland have proved that today. I guess we will always gain enough points to keep us in the top six, which is the best we will do.
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I guess it keeps our run going and these days do happen, Sunderland have proved that today. I guess we will always gain enough points to keep us in the top six, which is the best we will do.
Do you think that's good enough?
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Poor result, but it happens. Even to Wolves. We need a big performance at Derby.
Nice try at an excuse. But shit performances and results happen to us more than Wolves. You may want to look at the table for confirmation.
Give it a rest mate. I can almost see you rubbing your hands with glee.
It’s the I told you so fucking smugness that comes out every poor performance that gets me.
It’s the no not yet another lacklustre shit performance that gets me.
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Bad day at the office
If I had as many bad days at the office as the team keep having, I’d be out on my arse.
Oh give over. We're 5th.
Whoooosh
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Didn't see or hear any of the game, but from the comments on here it sounds like it was 1pt gained rather than 2pts dropped. We can't afford to have performances and results like this from games in which we should be taking 3pts if we are to get promoted. Not good enough.
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Didn't see or hear any of the game, but from the comments on here it sounds like it was 1pt gained rather than 2pts dropped. We can't afford to have performances and results like this from games in which we should be taking 3pts if we are to get promoted. Not good enough.
It was definitely two points dropped. And it very easily could have been all 3 points. Millwall will feel very disappointed that they haven’t come away with a win tonight.
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I guess it keeps our run going and these days do happen, Sunderland have proved that today. I guess we will always gain enough points to keep us in the top six, which is the best we will do.
Do you think that's good enough?
No I don't , but under Bruce I think we are a play off team at best.
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If it hadn't been for Johnstone they would have.
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All the thrill of the spectacle (http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/11163977/aston-villa-0-0-millwall)
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I guess it keeps our run going and these days do happen, Sunderland have proved that today. I guess we will always gain enough points to keep us in the top six, which is the best we will do.
Do you think that's good enough?
No I don't , but under Bruce I think we are a play off team at best.
And therein lies the problem.
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One up front at home again . Onomah was woeful again.
If it wasn’t for Johnstone they would have won by 3 or 4 goals. We hardly worked their keeper.
Not good enough , Mr Bruce .
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We ain't going up with Bruce.
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Bruce needs to get a grip before we drift away. Our side is massively worse without Terry providing leadership and quality distribution from the back. Today was a million miles off being acceptable.
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Bruce is the Nearly Man. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Bruce needs to get a grip before we drift away. Our side is massively worse without Terry providing leadership and quality distribution from the back. Today was a million miles off being acceptable.
I wouldnt say it's massively worse. Other than the game in which he got injured, we haven't lost so it hasn't been any worse and we're not leaking goals. He does make us look a more confident side though.
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Millwall were very organised and with better quality up front would have won. They closed us down with high energy all game. Whenever Snodgrass (who was awful) and Adomah received wide the defenders doubled up on them quickly. We looks miles off promotion quality. Only highlights for me was chatting to Peter Withe in Holte suite and seeing the Millwall fans reaction when our keeper blasted the ball at them.
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Get Benteke in on loan. He’s having a nightmare at Palace. He is just what we need and with a bit of confidence he’ll tear up this division.
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Bruce is the Nearly Man. Nothing more, nothing less.
A nearly man with 4 promotions under his belt. He's done it before, it just remains to be seen if he can do it again.
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I don't want to wait and see.
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All the thrill of the spectacle (http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/11163977/aston-villa-0-0-millwall)
Those highlights seem to show a fairly even game...3 shots from outside the box from us, and 2 better chances for them inside. Still both the performance and result are not good enough for a team that wants to get promoted, and I hope we don't start start slipping down the table before we get the chance to address the injury situation and strengthen in January.
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Well that was crap. At least Bruce admitted he got it wrong putting Lansbury in for Hourihane, but that was the least of our worries. The only player that came out with any real distinction was Johnstone. Highlight of the afternoon was before the game when a coachload of Millwall fans marched purposefully across Aston Park - all flat cap, neat coats and Danny Dyer walks - and strode up the Holte steps to chant 'Mihwawh'. More comical than nawty
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Also on the Millwall thread: https://twitter.com/CoxCraigcox1875/status/939525948361322496
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For a while we've usually had a few players doing really well even if it's not always the same ones.
However today, aside from Johnstone and then Grealish when he came on, too many players were off form and we gave the ball away in bad places so many times to let them break.
I thought we would win against a limited team that hasn't won away, yet we were lucky we didn't lose.
Bruce said he got it wrong and said Hourihane should've played.
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Because we are so predictable, teams know exactly what to expect and set themselves up to outnumber us in midfield.
Once we are on the Backfoot we tend to stay there until 70 minutes when he try’s to change it.
Not sure why any one is surprised that these performances keep happening.
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For a while we've usually had a few players doing really well even if it's not always the same ones.
However today, aside from Johnstone and then Grealish when he came on, too many players were off form and we gave the ball away in bad places so many times to let them break.
I thought we would win against a limited team that hasn't won away, yet we were lucky we didn't lose.
Bruce said he got it wrong and said Hourihane should've played.
If only there was some sort of system whereby the manager could correct his mistake during the game.
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For a while we've usually had a few players doing really well even if it's not always the same ones.
However today, aside from Johnstone and then Grealish when he came on, too many players were off form and we gave the ball away in bad places so many times to let them break.
I thought we would win against a limited team that hasn't won away, yet we were lucky we didn't lose.
Bruce said he got it wrong and said Hourihane should've played.
If only there was some sort of system whereby the manager could correct his mistake during the game.
What a great idea. Shall we call it a swapstitution?
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For a while we've usually had a few players doing really well even if it's not always the same ones.
However today, aside from Johnstone and then Grealish when he came on, too many players were off form and we gave the ball away in bad places so many times to let them break.
I thought we would win against a limited team that hasn't won away, yet we were lucky we didn't lose.
Bruce said he got it wrong and said Hourihane should've played.
If only there was some sort of system whereby the manager could correct his mistake during the game.
What a great idea. Shall we call it a swapstitution?
It'll never catch on.
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For a while we've usually had a few players doing really well even if it's not always the same ones.
However today, aside from Johnstone and then Grealish when he came on, too many players were off form and we gave the ball away in bad places so many times to let them break.
I thought we would win against a limited team that hasn't won away, yet we were lucky we didn't lose.
Bruce said he got it wrong and said Hourihane should've played.
If only there was some sort of system whereby the manager could correct his mistake during the game.
What a great idea. Shall we call it a swapstitution?
Brucie should be concentrating on the game rather than trying to flog Gate McGateface and Fat Hogan to anyone who will give us a couple of quid back
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For a while we've usually had a few players doing really well even if it's not always the same ones.
However today, aside from Johnstone and then Grealish when he came on, too many players were off form and we gave the ball away in bad places so many times to let them break.
I thought we would win against a limited team that hasn't won away, yet we were lucky we didn't lose.
Bruce said he got it wrong and said Hourihane should've played.
If only there was some sort of system whereby the manager could correct his mistake during the game.
What a great idea. Shall we call it a swapstitution?
It'll never catch on.
If it did you should only be able to swap like for like. Right back for a right back when you need to try and win a game
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Well that was just dismal. Created nothing till Grealish came on. He has to start next week.
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When so many of the side were half arsed and desperately poor, I'll take a draw every time.
I'm not sure how we didn't lose it, safe to say SJ was my MOTM!
Amongst a lot of things today (even more than that referee), the one thing that really boils my piss is when Henri Lansbury trots over at a snails pace to take a set piece. There is no urgency from the bloke whatsoever.
He would have fitted in a dream to the 2015/16 squad.
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Today was just one of those awful ones in that you move on and get ready for Derby away next week.
Is that my quote or Mr Bruce’s?
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When so many of the side were half arsed and desperately poor, I'll take a draw every time.
I'm not sure how we didn't lose it, safe to say SJ was my MOTM!
Amongst a lot of things today (even more than that referee), the one thing that really boils my piss is when Henri Lansbury trots over at a snails pace to take a set piece. There is no urgency from the bloke whatsoever.
He would have fitted in a dream to the 2015/16 squad.
His corners were terrible, as were all our set pieces till Grealish arrived. There’s just no creativity in the team and that has to be addressed.
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Also on the Millwall thread: https://twitter.com/CoxCraigcox1875/status/939525948361322496
How does a bunch of 'Wall lumps walking up the steps of The Holte', at 11.30 AM, constitute 'taking the piss'? Frankly, I'd be surprised if half of 'em didn't suffer massive coronaries soon after their daft droning.
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No need to play Whelan and Lansbury at home to Millwall. No need to play Lansbury at all. Be nice to see how Grealish and Hourihane can work together
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Also on the Millwall thread: https://twitter.com/CoxCraigcox1875/status/939525948361322496
They must have done it twice! They did it when I got there about 2:30.
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I actually thought in the first 20 minutes we played some quite sweet football, but then Snodgrass started his giving-the-ball-away routine, the off-the-ball movement stopped and it went Pete Tong.
By the end, I was cussing big time, with the aforementioned Scot having really played very poorly, Hutton having run down several blind alleys, neither Taylor nor Adomah doing much on the left and Davis getting nothing off the CB.
It was poor.
Not much more to say, really. I've never been a fan of this manager and could vent my spleen on a good ol' invective against him but what's the point? - after all, the players seemed half-arsed for most of the game.
What really gets me is that they cannot pass to a player wearing the same colours, they don't seem to understand about off-the-ball movement and they need too long to make a decision about how to play the ball.
I'm not - we're not! - in a good place.
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Shit performance, shit result, but that happens sometimes. We need to bounce back against Derby next week.
See Millwall 'fans' are still a bunch of middle aged gobby geezers. You would think when they hit middle age they would grow up a bit. They will be complaining next that them Villa fans were only interested in the football.
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We have been scraping results all season, how many games have we looked decent and won convincingly? Bruce is staying so money will have to be found in January or we have no chance of promotion.
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Also on the Millwall thread: https://twitter.com/CoxCraigcox1875/status/939525948361322496
They must have done it twice! They did it when I got there about 2:30.
What am I missing here? Why would the police even allow them to get near the Holte in any kind of numbers to do that? Irrespective of when they did it. It's just asking for trouble.
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Snodgrass is poor, thought he was better and would be better for us, got that wrong!!
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Disappointing result and I expected a win but as fans we really must stop throwing hissy fits en masse every time we drop points in this division.
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Disappointing result and I expected a win but as fans we really must stop throwing hissy fits en masse every time we drop points in this division.
Yes but this every time is too often for a team that should be in auto places.
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No need to play Whelan and Lansbury at home to Millwall. No need to play Lansbury at all. Be nice to see how Grealish and Hourihane can work together
Lansbury was like proverbial spare ***** today.
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Disappointing result and I expected a win but as fans we really must stop throwing hissy fits en masse every time we drop points in this division.
why?
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No need to play Whelan and Lansbury at home to Millwall. No need to play Lansbury at all. Be nice to see how Grealish and Hourihane can work together
Lansbury was like proverbial spare ***** today.
Absolutely agree. I said so many times during the game.
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Disappointing result and I expected a win but as fans we really must stop throwing hissy fits en masse every time we drop points in this division.
Please explain? Am I wrong to think we would win today? Did you think it would be a bore draw? So many games like this, and it’s why we won’t be in top two, which is and should not be accepted
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Looking into Bruce's mind his decision to play Lansbury was that he is a more involved player than Houlihane - well today he was anything but. We got the same in and out of the game as Houlihane but without any cleverness thaat Houlihane can from time to time produce.
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Disappointing result and I expected a win but as fans we really must stop throwing hissy fits en masse every time we drop points in this division.
Please explain? Am I wrong to think we would win today? Did you think it would be a bore draw? So many games like this, and it’s why we won’t be in top two, which is and should not be accepted
You are not wrong. But I think some of us, well me anyway, cant help thinking that we would have lost today's game last season or the one before that. So that makes it a little less awful.
We are still pretty well placed for a run at the top two and playoffs. So I take two dropped points at home as annoying but not that bad. Not dismissing your views at all but my annoyance is lessened a little bacsue of where we are in the table.
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One shot on target to their eight, although we had several good chances. At least the game was not boring, but the problems are clear for all to see.
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how Snodgrass gets in the team before jack and callum is beyond belief and I been saying every game we look a different team with jack in there.
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It was mildly amusing listening to some of the callers on WM on the way home.
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Well he's normally pretty good, that's why.
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Also on the Millwall thread: https://twitter.com/CoxCraigcox1875/status/939525948361322496
They must have done it twice! They did it when I got there about 2:30.
What am I missing here? Why would the police even allow them to get near the Holte in any kind of numbers to do that? Irrespective of when they did it. It's just asking for trouble.
From what I saw, they never said a word, had no colours on, and just walked through the crowd, when they crossed Trinity Rd from Aston Hall. Looked about 60 of them.
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Went to the game earlier and it was very disappointing. Outplayed for long periods by a workmanlike 4-4-2 outfit who really should have won the game. Some very poor performances and to top it all off, Samba limped off clutching his hamstring.
Bruce has got to see that Onomah simply isn't suited to the 'number 10' role and would be better off being played a bit deeper. Onomah just isn't creative enough in that position and it is time that Grealish or O'Hare were given a chance. Hourihane might also be suited to playing there and could chip in a few goals as well.
A few of their fans asked me before the game how to get to the away end and they were fine, but the majority of them inside the ground seemed like morons. Unfortunately, their presence seemed to draw a few morons of our own out of their caves with a particular group in front of me being a real case in point.
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Snodgrass is normally pretty good ??? really ??
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how Snodgrass gets in the team before jack and callum is beyond belief and I been saying every game we look a different team with jack in there.
Snodgrass central to our recent form. Not sure what Jack did today to justify replacing him
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He had our only (?) shot on target.
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Bruce will fall on his sword eventually by his negative subs. Where was Harry McKirdy, Callum O'Hare?. There are just not enough attacking options.
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He had our only (?) shot on target.
we were better first half before he came on; two bad shots over the bar and Davis fluffed the 1 on 1. Second half garbage. If we're banking on Grealish to spur us on we're desperate.
We played spot the ethnic minority and female in the away end. Pwopa throwback to 70s/80s
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Awful result. Was clear Grealish needed to start after the impact he made at Leeds, very strange decision to leave him on bench.
Admoah's hot streak has come to an end and we are really struggling to create and score goals.
Snodgrass failing to step up while no surprise that Onomoah and Davis continue to struggle
Breather will do Hourihane no harm, some combo of Grealish, Hogan and himself will have to be tried v Derby
Huge game
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Disappointing performance and result. Definite 2 points dropped and if it wasn't for Johnstone, it would have been 3. We've drawn 7 out of 21 games (4 at home). Last season Newcastle drew 7 all season and Brighton 9. We don't stand a chance of auto promotion if we're drawing games we should be winning. Funniest moments in an otherwise poor game were watching their fans celebrate their disallowed goal (sad b-stards) and Johnstone clearing a ball into their support followed by their reaction. For me Hourihane and Grealish need to be in the starting 11 and Snodgrass was awful today!
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This is Bruce all over Lansbury score the equaliser last week so plays him this week, we look an average side in a poor division and that has got nothing to the skill level of the players it is down to the way the manager uses those players. One thing is certain Davis needs a break so we have to find an alternative structure in the forward set up as we do not have a player strong enough to play a holding role.
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Well it's been coming. You can't play totally pants all the time and keep winning like we have. The Bruce should have changed the team when it obviously wasn't working in the proceeding games but as usual his safety first methodology wins out. 1 shot on target says it all really.
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Awful result. Was clear Grealish needed to start after the impact he made at Leeds, very strange decision to leave him on bench.
Admoah's hot streak has come to an end and we are really struggling to create and score goals.
Snodgrass failing to step up while no surprise that Onomoah and Davis continue to struggle
Breather will do Hourihane no harm, some combo of Grealish, Hogan and himself will have to be tried v Derby
Huge game
I think the home games against Sheff Utd and Bristol City are bigger. A draw at Derby will be a decent enough result if we can win those two.
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Disappointing performance and result. Definite 2 points dropped and if it wasn't for Johnstone, it would have been 3. We've drawn 7 out of 21 games (4 at home). Last season Newcastle drew 7 all season and Brighton 9. We don't stand a chance of auto promotion if we're drawing games we should be winning. Funniest moments in an otherwise poor game were watching their fans celebrate their disallowed goal (sad b-stards) and Johnstone clearing a ball into their support followed by their reaction. For me Hourihane and Grealish need to be in the starting 11 and Snodgrass was awful today!
I've got to be honest, that wasn't a particularly responsible thing for Johnstone to do. It seemed to me that he deliberately lashed the ball into their fans from close range and judging by the reaction, it hurt someone. I couldn't quite see who it hit, but that could have seriously hurt a child or elderly spectator had it hit them. Our fans cheering that led to a number of their fans charging towards the corner of the North Stand.
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That’s a point gained based on the performance. Utter shit, and if they had someone who could actually finish we’d be talking about a 2-0 loss. we need to do much, much better next week.
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Disappointing result and I expected a win but as fans we really must stop throwing hissy fits en masse every time we drop points in this division.
Every time is becoming too many times, unless you like this Division.
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Although it was extremely poor as they say in racing "we are still in the van" when it comes to promotion. I just hope we'recommend still in it come the end of December and then we manage to make a couple of inspired signings in January.
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We usually say the horse is still in the lorry when we get to the races but I know what you mean. I just am totally underwhelmed by our performances in key games.
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Very much so.
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I had decided to stop commenting on the situation but after today, what a waste of talent at this level. Watched the game on a stream from someone's front room sitting in a hotel room in Thailand. The quality of the stream was poor but I was thankful for what I could get.
Wins gloss over the continuing poor performances and we should be grateful that the forward quality is not great at this level.
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Bad day at the office
If I had as many bad days at the office as the team keep having, I’d be out on my arse.
Oh give over. We're 5th.
Yes we are. 5th in the second division after spending a fortune.
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We wasted a fortune, I don't think the side out there yesterday was that expensively arranged.
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It was compared to Millwall whose gross spend on players the last few years is about £2m apparently.
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Probably why we're 14 points and 12 places above them.
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If we were to continue to play as poorly as we did yesterday then clearly there would be no hope of a top 6 finish. There was a lack of nouse and guile and the visitors were a far better side; but their finishing was thankfully as woeful as was our general play.
I wonder if their supporters who went on the steps of the Holte went on to the dressing rooms and have a team talk.
Bruce is clearly struggling; if we fail to finish in the top 6 he clearly had to go; although clearly there are many who would like to see the back of him now.
If we were to get promoted I am not convinced he would do a particularly good job in the Premiership. A case of Extinctus, tactics Dinosaurus I suspect.
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Adomah doesn't score, we don't win.
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Disappointing performance and result. Definite 2 points dropped and if it wasn't for Johnstone, it would have been 3. We've drawn 7 out of 21 games (4 at home). Last season Newcastle drew 7 all season and Brighton 9. We don't stand a chance of auto promotion if we're drawing games we should be winning. Funniest moments in an otherwise poor game were watching their fans celebrate their disallowed goal (sad b-stards) and Johnstone clearing a ball into their support followed by their reaction. For me Hourihane and Grealish need to be in the starting 11 and Snodgrass was awful today!
I've got to be honest, that wasn't a particularly responsible thing for Johnstone to do. It seemed to me that he deliberately lashed the ball into their fans from close range and judging by the reaction, it hurt someone. I couldn't quite see who it hit, but that could have seriously hurt a child or elderly spectator had it hit them. Our fans cheering that led to a number of their fans charging towards the corner of the North Stand.
I think it hit a kid in the face and a steward went straight in to check he was ok. Hence their reaction to the lower north cheering etc
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Point is that for this level our side yesterday was expensively assembled, I doubt many other sides put out a 16 that cost over £40m.
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Win some, lose some, draw some.
We can't win every game. Onto next week and hopefully a much improved performance.
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What did ours cost?
Johnstone - any loan fee?
Taylor- part of a swap
Samba - no fee
Chester - £6/7 million?
Hutton - £3 million in 2011
Whelan - £500k?
Lansbury- £1.5 million/£2 million?
Onomah - any loan fee?
Adomah - £6million
Snodgrass - any loan fee?
Davis - no fee
Hardly billions and that has been the side save Hourihane and Terry for a few months, both of which make the side even less expensive.
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Whelan a million, Taylor valued at 2.5-3m in the Ayew deal apparently, Chester at least £8m as the Bitters were saying they got more from us than they paid for him. And the loans will be a couple of million.
But no one has said it was billions, just expensive for this level. I also said the 16. And Terry would be instead of Samba and Conor for Lansbury not sure how it makes the 11 cheaper as Terry cost the same as Samba and Conor is reported to have cost more than Lansbury.
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Hourihane was 1.2 million or something like that. The issue with our spending is the 20 million or 30 million we wasted.
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I thought we were lucky to get something out of the game as Milwall were good. They’d be very good if they had someone who could finish. We were given little time on the ball until the last 10 minutes or so when they began to tire understandably with the amount of effort they put in. Again Grealish made the difference when he came on. He has to start the next game.
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Yesterday was rubbish, other than the keeper the players looked half asleep. There centre back was massive and when the opposition are able to bully Davis others need to step up and none of them did.
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It was a classic away performance from them. They packed the 18 yard box when we were attacking and broke with pace when they got the chance. They had one break in the first half where Albert was our last man!! We're just about ticking over in the play offs. Millions wasted on trying to put square pegs in round holes (Hogan) Their team cost peanuts and could of taken all 3 points and we could have no complaints. It's just not good enough.
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Our wage bill is right up there for this level.
Not any championship sides out there who could go out and get Snodgrass on a season long loan. Cardiff and Sheffield United certainly couldn't.
Cardiff signed players from QPR (Holliet), Rochdale (Mendez-Laing) and Walsall (Etheridge) who have all been key players for them this season.
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Although it was extremely poor as they say in racing "we are still in the van" when it comes to promotion. I just hope we'recommend still in it come the end of December and then we manage to make a couple of inspired signings in January.
I do love a racing analogy. The old adage of 'to finish first, first you have to finish' also seems rather appropriate as to who the club should be desperately looking to bring in during the up & coming transfer window. ;)
Any more for any more?
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Also on the Millwall thread: https://twitter.com/CoxCraigcox1875/status/939525948361322496
Average age about 40! Pathetic
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One of the best racing bon mots Auntie also applies to football. If you want to make a small fortune, start with a large one.
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Also on the Millwall thread: https://twitter.com/CoxCraigcox1875/status/939525948361322496
Average age about 40! Pathetic
If a coach load of football tourists from smaller clubs want to come to VP and take selfies on the steps of a proper ground and club, then walk away without any problems then I am not bothered.
I'm sure the Woking fans will probably be the same.
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Adomah doesn't score, we don't win.
And if he doesn’t score he doesn’t seem to contribute much because his wing play isn’t really up to much really. I’d stick Grealish in the team next week in his place.
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Also on the Millwall thread: https://twitter.com/CoxCraigcox1875/status/939525948361322496
Average age about 40! Pathetic
If a coach load of football tourists from smaller clubs want to come to VP and take selfies on the steps of a proper ground and club, then walk away without any problems then I am not bothered.
I'm sure the Woking fans will probably be the same.
Spot on. We should take it as a compliment really.
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We are in danger of becoming like Arsenal fans whereby we expect constant success. I'll get me coat ...and with the weather like this me wellies as well.
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Admittedly I’d had a beer but I thought Lansbury played well first half, he used the ball well and quickly before he inevitably tired. His fitness levels are really poor and it doesn’t reflect well on the staff that he still can’t last out a game.
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We are in danger of becoming like Arsenal fans whereby we expect constant success. I'll get me coat ...and with the weather like this me wellies as well.
So Aston Villa fans should just accept being a Championship club without demanding anything more than that then?
Okay.
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We won't win football matches when most moves start with Johnstone or a defender hoofing the ball up the field. The ball just comes back which is why Millwall had most of the chances. The only success was when we played from the back and played it on the floor as we did in most of the last 25 minutes with some success.
I don't understand why Jack doesn't start. Is he still injured or is Bruce worried that if he plays too much Premier League clubs will want to sign him? And was Hutton injured as any decent forward play before he went off came through him.
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Admittedly I’d had a beer but I thought Lansbury played well first half, he used the ball well and quickly before he inevitably tired. His fitness levels are really poor and it doesn’t reflect well on the staff that he still can’t last ours a game.
Doesnt reflect well on Lansbury as a professional either
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Admittedly I’d had a beer but I thought Lansbury played well first half, he used the ball well and quickly before he inevitably tired. His fitness levels are really poor and it doesn’t reflect well on the staff that he still can’t last ours a game.
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I agree with you about Lansbury's first half display, but once again yet another dismal performance. Apart obviously from Johnstone, poor in all other areas of the pitch. Only other plus was Grealish when he came off, surely he will start on Saturday. What's happened to Callum O'Hare, unless he's injured, can't believe he was not even on the bench yesterday. Adomah seems totally wasted on the wing, I would play him upfront at Derby.
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It was his first start for nearly 3 months after injury, pretty much every player on the planet would fade fitness wise.
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We're playing dismally but still somehow managing to scrape together points. It's the Bruce way.
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One of the best racing bon mots Auntie also applies to football. If you want to make a small fortune, start with a large one.
Nice one Mr G! Your excellent bon mot-age is always a joy to behold. :)
ps In addition to our growing cache of crafty analogies, I'm hoping somebody local to BH can paint 'By failing to prepare, you are preparing to fail' on a large sheet & drape it over the wall by the main gates. Any embellishment with 'industrial language' would, of course, be purely optional.
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It was his first start for nearly 3 months after injury, pretty much every player on the planet would fade fitness wise.
Hasn't Mighty Steve said Lansbury was injured again?
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It was his first start for nearly 3 months after injury, pretty much every player on the planet would fade fitness wise.
He was the same last year in every game he played for us
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Admittedly I’d had a beer but I thought Lansbury played well first half, he used the ball well and quickly before he inevitably tired. His fitness levels are really poor and it doesn’t reflect well on the staff that he still can’t last out a game.
I thought his range of passing was good yesterday as well, but him and Whelan hardly won a second ball in midfield all game.
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Bruce will fall on his sword eventually by his negative subs. Where was Harry McKirdy, Callum O'Hare?. There are just not enough attacking options.
Doubt it, he clearly believes he's the man for the job, even though how we play most weeks, is pretty dire and should we somehow manage to be promoted,without better players and a manager who has more nous than Bruce, we will struggle to stay in the Premiership.
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We were poor yesterday, to many games like yesterday over the last 18 months
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Lansbury played better in the 1st half than the second for me. That being said I noticed (sitting in the lower north) that he missed a number of diagonal forward runs by Adomah that Hourihane may have spotted because he is more used to Adomah playing on the left. This is something Bruce needs to consider if he decides to change his midfield players.
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One good thing no two good things on Saturday had a chance to meet Legion again and two other H&V sellers and met Peter Withe as I bought his book.
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Another good thing was that we didn't have to listen to the Oasis song blasted out at the final whistle. I wished we did though.
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One good thing no two good things on Saturday had a chance to meet Legion again and two other H&V sellers and met Peter Withe as I bought his book.
Great. Now I'm Legion's understudy.
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Another good thing was that we didn't have to listen to the Oasis song blasted out at the final whistle. I wished we did though.
Which Oasis song? These things do matter....
Terrible performance. Need a response next game otherwise we could start letting some of our rivals in...
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Don't Look Back in Anger
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Don't Look Back in Anger
On that's standard for Football. If it was Whatever, or Supersonic then I would be happy for them to play it all the time.
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It was freezing cold and fucking shit.
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It was freezing cold and fucking shit.
It wasn't that good.