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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Villa in Denmark on November 21, 2017, 09:49:56 PM
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Tom Fox and the inside story of Aston Villa's decline and fall. (http://google.com/newsstand/s/CBIwh-28pjM)
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What an Absoloute Wanker.
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"I loved it and I'd do it all again" God that's terrifying!
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What an Absoloute Wanker.
Was my first response also.
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The whole place has been such a shambles for so long I think it's difficult to lay the blame at anyone other than Randolph.
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Villa: my part in their downfall.
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While he might be right that the rot had set in long before, he very much helped expedite it and turn it in to a full on plague. Absolute waster
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"He appointed much-maligned recruitment pair Hendrik Almstadt and Paddy Riley".
Nothing more to be said.
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The whole place has been such a shambles for so long I think it's difficult to lay the blame at anyone other than Randolph.
Most of it for sure. But there is more than enough to go around for others. Fox can take some as well, as can a lot of the clubs management over that time. Plus the players, I wouldn't want to leave them out.
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Bell end.
False fucking narratives. My Arse.
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What an Absoloute Wanker.
More or less
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The whole place has been such a shambles for so long I think it's difficult to lay the blame at anyone other than Randolph.
Most of it for sure. But there is more than enough to go around for others. Fox can take some as well, as can a lot of the clubs management over that time. Plus the players, I wouldn't want to leave them out.
True. Let's not forget Lehman Brothers while we're at it!
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Other than the previous owner he's the single biggest twat associated with the club in many a year. He didn't do a single thing right, and most of what he did was an absolute disaster.
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The guys a complete twat. Go jump in a fire pit you weapon grade bellend.
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What a cock! It reads as if he thought he was on a tour of the stadium! Wanker.
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"I loved it and I'd do it all again" God that's terrifying!
Don't call us Tom......we'll never call you I think to that.
He was never qualified to be a chief executive anyway. At least Wyness has held that position at two other clubs.
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"He appointed much-maligned recruitment pair Hendrik Almstadt and Paddy Riley".
Nothing more to be said.
"He appointed notorious charlatan and bell-end Tim Sherwood" probably has to be said.
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Amongst all the mud slinging though I was startled to read we only increased our non television revenue by 14m over the decade Lerner was in charge.
When teams at the top of the premier league are getting their training grounds sponsored for big money, you realise how we failed to cash in on regular top 6 finishes on and off the pitch.
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Amongst all the mud slinging though I was startled to read we only increased our non television revenue by 14m over the decade Lerner was in charge.
When teams at the top of the premier league are getting their training grounds sponsored for big money, you realise how we failed to cash in on regular top 6 finishes on and off the pitch.
That comment did not make any sense to me.
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"He appointed much-maligned recruitment pair Hendrik Almstadt and Paddy Riley".
Nothing more to be said.
"He appointed notorious charlatan and bell-end Tim Sherwood" probably has to be said.
While correct I still cannot bring myself to truly dislike Sherwood. He should never have been appointed, but he was and he gave us a few good days days in a truly awful run of years there. Chancer, sure but he did a few good things for us.
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"He appointed much-maligned recruitment pair Hendrik Almstadt and Paddy Riley".
Nothing more to be said.
"He appointed notorious charlatan and bell-end Tim Sherwood" probably has to be said.
Appointed without entertaining the thought of recruiting anyone else and snuggled up to him in full public view in the Directors box while Lambert was doing his thing right below. Think what you want about Lambert but that was a shit thing to have done.
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"He appointed much-maligned recruitment pair Hendrik Almstadt and Paddy Riley".
Nothing more to be said.
"He appointed notorious charlatan and bell-end Tim Sherwood" probably has to be said.
Appointed without entertaining the thought of recruiting anyone else and snuggled up to him in full public view in the Directors box while Lambert was doing his thing right below. Think what you want about Lambert but that was a shit thing to have done.
They could have chucked garbage at Lambert from the Directors box as far as I was concerned by then.
Another on the list of charlatans that have besmirched this club.
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Top 10 Charlatans of the Lerner Era
1 Randy I was not quite as bad as Doug
2 Martin shyster Oniel
3 Tom Fox
4 Paul Lambert
5 Gabby
6. Zogbia
7 Micah
8 Black
9 Faulkner
10 Lescott
Have I left any one out?
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Top 10 Charlatans of the Lerner Era
1 Randy I was not quite as bad as Doug
2 Martin shyster Oniel
3 Tom Fox
4 Paul Lambert
5 Gabby
6. Zogbia
7 Micah
8 Black
9 Faulkner
10 Lescott
Have I left any one out?
I would drop MON a few notches and raise Faulker a few but as a list.. its pretty good.
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The General is not on the list.
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No mention of being a higher paid CEO than many clubs whose turnover was greater than ours. No wonder he'd do it all again. In the meantime we can pay for his tan and daughter's American education.
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Top 10 Charlatans of the Lerner Era
1 Randy I was not quite as bad as Doug
2 Martin shyster Oniel
3 Tom Fox
4 Paul Lambert
5 Gabby
6. Zogbia
7 Micah
8 Black
9 Faulkner
10 Lescott
Have I left any one out?
Gabby was good for the first 5 years.
Put Stephen Ireland in instead of him
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Top 10 Charlatans of the Lerner Era
1 Randy I was not quite as bad as Doug
2 Martin shyster Oniel
3 Tom Fox
4 Paul Lambert
5 Gabby
6. Zogbia
7 Micah
8 Black
9 Faulkner
10 Lescott
Have I left any one out?
Gabby was good for the first 5 years.
Put Stephen Ireland in instead of him
Good point. Also, have we forgiven Habib Beye so soon? I would hope not.
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Top 10 Charlatans of the Lerner Era
1 Randy I was not quite as bad as Doug
2 Martin shyster Oniel
3 Tom Fox
4 Paul Lambert
5 Gabby
6. Zogbia
7 Micah
8 Black
9 Faulkner
10 Lescott
Have I left any one out?
Eric Black.
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Top 10 Charlatans of the Lerner Era
1 Randy I was not quite as bad as Doug
2 Martin shyster Oniel
3 Tom Fox
4 Paul Lambert
5 Gabby
6. Zogbia
7 Micah
8 Black
9 Faulkner
10 Lescott
Have I left any one out?
Eric Black.
The one at number 8? ;)
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I did try and read this but by the time I'd read the 1st paragraph I realised I'm not interested in a single thing he has to say.
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Top 10 Charlatans of the Lerner Era
1 Randy I was not quite as bad as Doug
2 Martin shyster Oniel
3 Tom Fox
4 Paul Lambert
5 Gabby
6. Zogbia
7 Micah
8 Black
9 Faulkner
10 Lescott
Have I left any one out?
Gabby was good for the first 5 years.
Put Stephen Ireland in instead of him
Good point. Also, have we forgiven Habib Beye so soon? I would hope not.
Did he do anything that needed forgiveness?
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What an Absoloute Wanker.
More or less
More.
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‘Deluded wanker’ would be more apt.
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I never took the personal criticism personally.
Apart from banning protest banners, ordering stewards to drag banners out of the hands of fans and so on. Twat.
Didn't take to him at the consultation group not long after he arrived. Same went for that Charlie Wijeratna.
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‘Deluded wanker’ would be more apt.
‘Deluded horrendously over paid wanker’ even more apt?
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Top 10 Charlatans of the Lerner Era
1 Randy I was not quite as bad as Doug
2 Martin shyster Oniel
3 Tom Fox
4 Paul Lambert
5 Gabby
6. Zogbia
7 Micah
8 Black
9 Faulkner
10 Lescott
Have I left any one out?
Gabby was good for the first 5 years.
Put Stephen Ireland in instead of him
The fact that we can genuinely name an entire match day squad not just a top 10 of charlatans (The General, Dim Tim, the training ground bullies Karsa and Culverhouse and Stephen Ireland could also easily be on such a list) just shows the complete and utter mess we got ourselves in.
In many ways It's incredible we didn't do a Sunderland really.
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"I'd take my 1.25M per year salary all over again for doing fuck-all"
******
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Amazed how he stepped into a good job after abject failure.
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Top 10 Charlatans of the Lerner Era
1 Randy I was not quite as bad as Doug
2 Martin shyster Oniel
3 Tom Fox
4 Paul Lambert
5 Gabby
6. Zogbia
7 Micah
8 Black
9 Faulkner
10 Lescott
Have I left any one out?
My top 10 charlatans of the Lerner era...
1 Lerner
2 Lerner
3 Lerner
4 Lerner
5 Lerner
6 Lerner
7 Lerner
8 Lerner
9 Lerner
10 Lerner
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The one thing of note was he said Delph could have left for nothing, but he signed a new deal allowing Villa a transfer fee. Maybe we were a little harsh on Delph under those circumstances.
It just goes to show how poor we were run & how much money was wasted on our last summer transfer window in the prem. No wonder it gave Di Matteo problems to try to replace a squad,
then Bruce to come & help turn us around. Here is hoping that with Zia at the top things are run
more professionally.
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Top 10 Charlatans of the Lerner Era
1 Randy I was not quite as bad as Doug
2 Martin shyster Oniel
3 Tom Fox
4 Paul Lambert
5 Gabby
6. Zogbia
7 Micah
8 Black
9 Faulkner
10 Lescott
Have I left any one out?
My top 10 charlatans of the Lerner era...
1 Lerner
2 Lerner
3 Lerner
4 Lerner
5 Lerner
6 Lerner
7 Lerner
8 Lerner
9 Lerner
10 Lerner
No Westwood, Guzan or Lowton?!
(wink)
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Top 10 Charlatans of the Lerner Era
1 Randy I was not quite as bad as Doug
2 Martin shyster Oniel
3 Tom Fox
4 Paul Lambert
5 Gabby
6. Zogbia
7 Micah
8 Black
9 Faulkner
10 Lescott
Have I left any one out?
My top 10 charlatans of the Lerner era...
1 Lerner
2 Lerner
3 Lerner
4 Lerner
5 Lerner
6 Lerner
7 Lerner
8 Lerner
9 Lerner
10 Lerner
No Westwood, Guzan or Lowton?!
(wink)
No, I’ve erased them from my memory. In my mind they never played for the Villa.
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“It was a difficult environment for anyone to come into. I still think Remi Garde will find his way into the Premier League. He’s got too much knowledge and experience not to.”
Absolutely no chance at all, the guy just hasn't got the right personality, he's the main one I blame for the relegation, he was hopeless.
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Top 10 Charlatans of the Lerner Era
1 Randy I was not quite as bad as Doug
2 Martin shyster Oniel
3 Tom Fox
4 Paul Lambert
5 Gabby
6. Zogbia
7 Micah
8 Black
9 Faulkner
10 Lescott
Have I left any one out?
My top 10 charlatans of the Lerner era...
1 Lerner
2 Lerner
3 Lerner
4 Lerner
5 Lerner
6 Lerner
7 Lerner
8 Lerner
9 Lerner
10 Lerner
No Westwood, Guzan or Lowton?!
(wink)
No, I’ve erased them from my memory. In my mind they never played for the Villa.
Do I have to erase this from my memory.....
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I've not read the interview, I can't be bothered. It's been and gone.
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fish and chip paper I would have thought.
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fish and chip paper I would have thought.
Online only these days I think. So not even that.
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My top 10 charlatans of the Lerner era...
1 Lerner
2 Lerner
3 Lerner
4 Lerner
5 Lerner
6 Lerner
7 Lerner
8 Lerner
9 Lerner
10 Lerner
Well done, Randy!
;)
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Amazed how he stepped into a good job after abject failure.
Because he's a typical business manager and that's how he comes across in the interview. A load of excuses, selective memory, hopelessly ineffective but networks in the right circles. You find Tom Fox in every business, every organisation, every sector. They're usually in HR or finance, but a few make it to department heads. Who was it Jarvis Cocker said are still ruling the world?
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Top 10 Charlatans of the Lerner Era
1 Randy I was not quite as bad as Doug
2 Martin shyster Oniel
3 Tom Fox
4 Paul Lambert
5 Gabby
6. Zogbia
7 Micah
8 Black
9 Faulkner
10 Lescott
Have I left any one out?
Gabby was good for the first 5 years.
Put Stephen Ireland in instead of him
The fact that we can genuinely name an entire match day squad not just a top 10 of charlatans (The General, Dim Tim, the training ground bullies Karsa and Culverhouse and Stephen Ireland could also easily be on such a list) just shows the complete and utter mess we got ourselves in.
In many ways It's incredible we didn't do a Sunderland really.
Incredible we didn't do a Wolves 1983-86
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"He appointed much-maligned recruitment pair Hendrik Almstadt and Paddy Riley".
Nothing more to be said.
"He appointed notorious charlatan and bell-end Tim Sherwood" probably has to be said.
Who gave us two (and possibly three) of the best days we'll ever have....i.e Tesco's in the QF, Liverpool in the semi....let's get real..as much as Sherwood had his limitations he at least gave us something.....
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"He appointed much-maligned recruitment pair Hendrik Almstadt and Paddy Riley".
Nothing more to be said.
"He appointed notorious charlatan and bell-end Tim Sherwood" probably has to be said.
Who gave us two (and possibly three) of the best days we'll ever have....i.e Tesco's in the QF, Liverpool in the semi....let's get real..as much as Sherwood had his limitations he at least gave us something.....
Agreed, happiness!
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Amongst all the mud slinging though I was startled to read we only increased our non television revenue by 14m over the decade Lerner was in charge.
When teams at the top of the premier league are getting their training grounds sponsored for big money, you realise how we failed to cash in on regular top 6 finishes on and off the pitch.
That comment did not make any sense to me.
Tough for me this because I met Fox loads of times and he isn't a bad bloke. His general ideas on structuring us were very good. He just didn't know what good looked like with WHO should do those jobs. And he talked Yank Marketing language that most cannot distinguish between the lines on.
When it comes to our shit merchandising performance though, the figures that came from the back of what Faulkner agreed to were fucking harrowing. We were losing significant amounts of money on merchandising by grotesquely over buying as part of the contract. We essentially were paying Macron or whoever the fuck it was to make our shit garments.
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I never took the personal criticism personally.
Apart from banning protest banners, ordering stewards to drag banners out of the hands of fans and so on. Twat.
Didn't take to him at the consultation group not long after he arrived. Same went for that Charlie Wijeratna.
Wasn't his ban. Didn't have security guards. Over zealous stewards who were worrying That, if they let our unabated bitching go On, there would be a riot.
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“It was a difficult environment for anyone to come into. I still think Remi Garde will find his way into the Premier League. He’s got too much knowledge and experience not to.”
Absolutely no chance at all, the guy just hasn't got the right personality, he's the main one I blame for the relegation, he was hopeless.
Was he bollocks. He was a very nice and reasoned chap who picked up on the dressing room shit and wanted it culled within half an hour of arriving.
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The one thing of note was he said Delph could have left for nothing, but he signed a new deal allowing Villa a transfer fee. Maybe we were a little harsh on Delph under those circumstances.
It just goes to show how poor we were run & how much money was wasted on our last summer transfer window in the prem. No wonder it gave Di Matteo problems to try to replace a squad,
then Bruce to come & help turn us around. Here is hoping that with Zia at the top things are run
more professionally.
I have done the Delph timetable pre sale on his own thread a couple of weeks ago.
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He was one I got totally wrong. It seemed he did everything right at the beginning, little did I know. I guess that is how it is, you don't really get to know what really goes on no matter how much chatter is posted, good or bad.
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“It was a difficult environment for anyone to come into. I still think Remi Garde will find his way into the Premier League. He’s got too much knowledge and experience not to.”
Absolutely no chance at all, the guy just hasn't got the right personality, he's the main one I blame for the relegation, he was hopeless.
Was he bollocks. He was a very nice and reasoned chap who picked up on the dressing room shit and wanted it culled within half an hour of arriving.
Well said CL. Out of all the people working at the club at the time of relegation, Garde would be at the back of the blame queue. Came in at the worse time in modern history and had no backing at all.
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He has "No bitterness and no regret". I wish I could say the same about his time in charge. He is now running a club in a league system where it is impossible for them to be relegated. He will probably have to settle for just bankrupting them instead.
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“It was a difficult environment for anyone to come into. I still think Remi Garde will find his way into the Premier League. He’s got too much knowledge and experience not to.”
Absolutely no chance at all, the guy just hasn't got the right personality, he's the main one I blame for the relegation, he was hopeless.
Was he bollocks. He was a very nice and reasoned chap who picked up on the dressing room shit and wanted it culled within half an hour of arriving.
And then was not backed, in fact totally undermined, by the lack of support from those that employed him. Royally shafted.
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“It was a difficult environment for anyone to come into. I still think Remi Garde will find his way into the Premier League. He’s got too much knowledge and experience not to.”
Absolutely no chance at all, the guy just hasn't got the right personality, he's the main one I blame for the relegation, he was hopeless.
Was he bollocks. He was a very nice and reasoned chap who picked up on the dressing room shit and wanted it culled within half an hour of arriving.
And then was not backed, in fact totally undermined, by the lack of support from those that employed him. Royally shafted.
i.e. Fox
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Top 10 Charlatans of the Lerner Era
1 Randy I was not quite as bad as Doug
2 Martin shyster Oniel
3 Tom Fox
4 Paul Lambert
5 Gabby
6. Zogbia
7 Micah
8 Black
9 Faulkner
10 Lescott
Have I left any one out?
Great list, did Randy appoint Paul Faulkner ? If so can you make it a top 11. Completely out of his depth as a CEO at our club and helped our decline with his input into management appointments
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Top 10 Charlatans of the Lerner Era
1 Randy I was not quite as bad as Doug
2 Martin shyster Oniel
3 Tom Fox
4 Paul Lambert
5 Gabby
6. Zogbia
7 Micah
8 Black
9 Faulkner
10 Lescott
Have I left any one out?
Great list, did Randy appoint Paul Faulkner ? If so can you make it a top 11. Completely out of his depth as a CEO at our club and helped our decline with his input into management appointments
I wouldn't have MON on that list as he gave us top six finishes and can't be blamed for us being relegated five years and six managers later. And Lerner was far worse than Doug in my opinion. Lerner deserted the sinking ship. Doug took us down but appointed SGT to bring us back up and BFR to win a trophy.
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Top 10 Charlatans of the Lerner Era
1 Randy I was not quite as bad as Doug
2 Martin shyster Oniel
3 Tom Fox
4 Paul Lambert
5 Gabby
6. Zogbia
7 Micah
8 Black
9 Faulkner
10 Lescott
Have I left any one out?
Great list, did Randy appoint Paul Faulkner ? If so can you make it a top 11. Completely out of his depth as a CEO at our club and helped our decline with his input into management appointments
I wouldn't have MON on that list as he gave us top six finishes and can't be blamed for us being relegated five years and six managers later. And Lerner was far worse than Doug in my opinion. Lerner deserted the sinking ship. Doug took us down but appointed SGT to bring us back up and BFR to win a trophy.
Let's not forget about how we got on the path to relegation. O'Neil and Lerner both played equal roles in putting us on the road to where we find ourselves.