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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Toronto Villa on November 21, 2017, 09:37:42 PM
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Massively average display but we won. Nobody of note as MOM, but we could be 4th if everything else finishes in our favour this evening. Will take it, but that was closer than it needed to be.
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Never in doubt.
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3 points.
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I was bricking it. Relieved. :) Sunderland are actually not that bad a side.
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Thank god for that. Not a great display but important three points.
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Shaping up quite nicely.
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However shit Sunderland have been, always difficult when a club has a new manager so a good three points. Next.
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Sheffield have scored two quick goals, its 5-4 now.
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My goodness, 4th.
Where will it all end !
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3 points, that's all that matters.
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Made harder work of it than we should have against a piss poor Sunderland side, but it's another win in the bank.
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Well done to the team. Another win. Just keep doing it.
Adomah just can't stop scoring. Keep it up, been a great signing.
Is there a highlights show on tonight at all?
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Sheffield have scored two quick goals, its 5-4 now.
Samir Carruthers got one
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3 points, that's all that matters.
tell that to my stomach as it makes its way back down from my mouth :) That was stressful!
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Did the job and didn't fall for the inevitable new manager bounce. Too sloppy in possession and the effectively playing without a striker given KD's non-appearance meant we could never build any real pressure. Will need to be better on Saturday but things are looking up and we're closing in on those around us. Just a shame that we have no strikers and the defence looks like it can't keep a clean sheet without Terry.
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Well done to the team. Another win. Just keep doing it.
Adomah just can't stop scoring. Keep it up, been a great signing.
Is there a highlights show on tonight at all?
Highlights will be on the Sky website later and Villa normally do extended highlights in a day or so on Youtube.
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Just noticed small heath are back in the bottom 3 *chortle*
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Have that Moyes.
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And Have any easy game tomorrow
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Well done to the team. Another win. Just keep doing it.
Adomah just can't stop scoring. Keep it up, been a great signing.
Is there a highlights show on tonight at all?
Highlights will be on the Sky website later and Villa normally do extended highlights in a day or so on Youtube.
Cheers mate had hoped there would be a Channel 5 thing on telly or something.
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Just noticed small heath are back in the bottom 3 *chortle*
Spoke too soon.
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Just noticed small heath are back in the bottom 3 *chortle*
Reading have just equalised at Bolton so Small Heath are out of the bottom three. Boo!
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The concern is how tired too many looked.
Davis obviously has a problem playing 2 games in a row.
Bruce has got to get the mostm out of this squad with the injuries we are carrying.
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Just noticed small heath are back in the bottom 3 *chortle*
Spoke too soon.
;D
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Fuckin' A. This is now going a bit more to fucking plan!
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I had every faith we wouldn't throw it away. Unlike Liverpool who rather amusingly were winning 3-0 in Seville at half time and drew.
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Good result but we really do need to improve the performances at home, these nail-biting finishes are a little too common right now.
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Are there no other flipping strikers at the club we can use to help Davis?
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And breathe....being a villa fan has always been stressful. Trouble is with us needing promotion so badly this season I think stress levels will increase the more the season goes on. Be great if we could have the game on Saturday put to bed after 60 min.
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The concern is how tired too many looked.
Davis obviously has a problem playing 2 games in a row.
Bruce has got to get the mostm out of this squad with the injuries we are carrying.
Well he's obviously going to benefit the more he plays consecutive games.
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We just need to hang in there until some players come back and/or we can bring some players in after Christmas. I do think we can have a strong run in so we just need to stay in touch in the meantime.
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Onwards.
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Goals (http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/competitions/championship/11137934/aston-villa-2-1-sunderland)
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The concern is how tired too many looked.
Davis obviously has a problem playing 2 games in a row.
Bruce has got to get the mostm out of this squad with the injuries we are carrying.
Well he's obviously going to benefit the more he plays consecutive games.
He is young so who knows.
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Good win and a welcome three points but we looked very lacklustre. It was if they were doing the bare minimum to win the game. Understandable but hard to watch.
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Did the job and didn't fall for the inevitable new manager bounce. Too sloppy in possession and the effectively playing without a striker given KD's non-appearance meant we could never build any real pressure. Will need to be better on Saturday but things are looking up and we're closing in on those around us. Just a shame that we have no strikers and the defence looks like it can't keep a clean sheet without Terry.
Johnstone at fault again tonight for their goal
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I've not long got in, so delighted to see that we've snaffled another 3 juicy points. That'll do nicely :)
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I thought Snodgrass had good spells as well as Onomah, and Albert. The rest were OK.
But we won, that's what counts.
Would like to just keep winning, and not look at the table too much, but f**k me, when were we last in the top 4 of a league table, it's hard to not get carried away.
I like this winning games malarkey.
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Did the job and didn't fall for the inevitable new manager bounce. Too sloppy in possession and the effectively playing without a striker given KD's non-appearance meant we could never build any real pressure. Will need to be better on Saturday but things are looking up and we're closing in on those around us. Just a shame that we have no strikers and the defence looks like it can't keep a clean sheet without Terry.
Johnstone at fault again tonight for their goal
I would blame Samba a bit as well. If either had run for it they could have kicked that ball out of play. As it was the Sunderland lad just walked over to it and clipped it back in.
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Shambolic defending and goalkeeping for their goal has to be said...
Would have taken any win beforehand so happy with that. Sometimes you have to win ugly to
succeed...
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Delighted with how its going and looking forward to the Ipswich game now which I will be attending. Albert Adomah is scoring at Platty rate at the moment, nice to see we can have a regular scorer other than Kodjia. Excellent set of results since the Barnsley game, eight wins out of eleven. When was the last time we won 9 league games before December?
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That was absolutely dreadful. Crap, safe football but luckily Sunderland are garbage. Turned out to be a good night though with Sheff Utd and Bristol City losing.
Those kind of performances though are why we don't beat any of the teams around us because you can't get away with it. We must improve going into December.
The crowd. Only 27k, piss poor considering we were 5th and on a decent run. Sunderland had the same as that on Saturday and haven't won at home in 2017. Will it take us to be in the top two for everyone to come crawling back?
Atmosphere was shocking aswell. Silent for the majority of the game.
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Bruce said in his post match conference, JK could be in for an op 😡
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That was absolutely dreadful. Crap, safe football but luckily Sunderland are garbage. Turned out to be a good night though with Sheff Utd and Bristol City losing.
Those kind of performances though are why we don't beat any of the teams around us because you can't get away with it. We must improve going into December.
The crowd. Only 27k, piss poor considering we were 5th and on a decent run. Sunderland had the same as that on Saturday and haven't won at home in 2017. Will it take us to be in the top two for everyone to come crawling back?
Atmosphere was shocking aswell. Silent for the majority of the game.
Welcome back. You've been missed.
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3 more points and other results have gone our way. Three more on Saturday would be very nice indeed.
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27k vs Sunderland on a Tuesday night. Most championship clubs and some premiership clubs would love that.
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Good win and a welcome three points but we looked very lacklustre. It was if they were doing the bare minimum to win the game. Understandable but hard to watch.
The championship is such a long, gruelling campaign, though, this sort of thing is unavoidable.
What we are doing now is combining decent performances with the occasional case where we have to grind out another three points, and that's exactly what you need to do to get out of this league. That's what Newcastle did. They won the league but veered between convincing and just-about-good-enough for great chunks of the season.
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Quinton makes a good point.
I noticed we had attracted some of our floating suppprt back against Wednesday the other week due to the moaning when we werent 6-0 up after 10 mins and knew they wouldn’t be back tonight. Anyway a quick glance at the league table should get a few thousand more out Saturday after they’ve forgotten how unentertaining football is under Bruce.
Meanwhile the regulars enjoy the results and view it as a price we have to pay to get back to fight for 4th from bottom in the Premier League.
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Couldn’t care less about the performance. 3 points in the bag and that’s all that matters. Roll on Saturday.
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Rode out luck but we won. We've only taken 6 points from the top half which is a concern but with arguable our 3 best players out of jet lagged (terry, jk and jedinak).
Feel we have to make it this year with some key players over 30.
Thought Sunderland looked decent compared to what I expected
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Opted to play 5 aside myself rather than go tonight, but a great result, even if it doesn't sound a brilliant performance.
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Rode out luck but we won. We've only taken 6 points from the top half which is a concern but with arguable our 3 best players out of jet lagged (terry, jk and jedinak).
Feel we have to make it this year with some key players over 30.
Thought Sunderland looked decent compared to what I expected
thought the jedi looked miles off the pace when he came in
Id give Jack a start on Saturday, need to get some game time into him
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A few changes for Saturday please Steven - freshen things up
Jedinak, grealish, Elmo and maybe Lansbury to come in. O’Hare needs to be on the bench
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A few changes for Saturday please Steven - freshen things up
Jedinak, grealish, Elmo and maybe Lansbury to come in. O’Hare needs to be on the bench
Tonight was one of those occasions when you just had to grin and bear it and take a glance at the table after the game to give it some perspective. Not convincing but 3 points in the bag. I think that after back to back 2-1 wins changing almost half of the outfield players would be an unnecessary risk.
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I've seen Villa in a lower Division than this one.
It's game on now. Wolves and Cardiff to play once more and the Blades home and away.
Come on Villa !!
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That was absolutely dreadful. Crap, safe football but luckily Sunderland are garbage. Turned out to be a good night though with Sheff Utd and Bristol City losing.
Those kind of performances though are why we don't beat any of the teams around us because you can't get away with it. We must improve going into December.
The crowd. Only 27k, piss poor considering we were 5th and on a decent run. Sunderland had the same as that on Saturday and haven't won at home in 2017. Will it take us to be in the top two for everyone to come crawling back?
Atmosphere was shocking aswell. Silent for the majority of the game.
Did you go tonight? If so what did you make of that 37 year old getting the shirt?
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Was really surprised by there being no changes. Even in the first half we were treading water but luckily we got a second goal to get some breathing space and Sunderland were as poor as the position suggests.
Have to think Jedinak will start on Saturday. I would give Jack a start aswell just to freshen things up a bit.
Not sure what to do about upfront, Davis wasn't on it tonight but we really don't have anyone else. Adomah is playing too well out wide to move him.
Good 3 points anyway regardless of the performance with Sheffield United losing. That was the most important thing.
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A win but a grim win, 3 points move on nothing to see here.
Nightmare injury situation we’re in. Going to see a lot of dour stuff until we can replenish in January I feel.
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It was just painful as usual but held out to win and that's what matters.
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Bloody hell that was not an easy watch. All credit to Bruce for introducing a false-false number 9.
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Sunderland were bereft of confidence and any real cutting edge, which was just as well, as we were poor tonight, just less poor than they were.
It was disappointing to watch after Saturday, but grateful for the win nonetheless. As good as Davis was on Saturday, the opposite applied this evening which is why we need a striker in January as another option. It's a lot to expect him to deliver every game. Hourihane should be playing further forward yet several times he was behind Whelan.
Hutton appeared to receive MOTM which was ok. Of the rest, I thought Samba played well and adjusted well to compensate for his lack of pace.
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Yeah at this stage of the season is time to iron out some of the issues with the performance. For now it was just important to get the win.
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Was at the game earlier and it was a really poor performance, especially in the first half. Too many had an off night, but we got the result and the table is looking encouraging, especially as there is now a bit of a gap between us and 7th. Win the next two home games and get something against Leeds in between and we could be in good shape going into the Christmas period.
Have to say that the striker situation is a worry. Davis had a poor game tonight and our lack of options up there was highlighted by the fact that Adomah and then Elmohamady found themselves up there. Could be a real problem if Davis has a dip in form or gets injured. Similar problem at centre back as well and both positions need strengthening in January.
On a separate note, did anyone catch the shirts being presented by Stan Petrov at half time? That one bloke must have had a very hard life if he is 36!!
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Poor performance but we seem to have the luck running with us for a change - thought the ref could/should have given a foul against Samba when we went on to score the first, and the second was a lucky deflection - but at the end of the season it will just say 2-1, three points, and we move on. As others have said, great to see Stan at half time, and obviously watching Villa over the past few seasons has taken its toll on that 36 year old chap
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Not very convincing at all,was disappointed we sat back and invited them on once we got the second goal but we got the points that's the main thing. Big game Saturday now maybe freshen the side up a bit!? UTV!
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Poor performance but we seem to have the luck running with us for a change - thought the ref could/should have given a foul against Samba when we went on to score the first, and the second was a lucky deflection - but at the end of the season it will just say 2-1, three points, and we move on. As others have said, great to see Stan at half time, and obviously watching Villa over the past few seasons has taken its toll on that 36 year old chap
Ha ha!!
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Immense respect to all you guys and gals that watch that every week
my attendance had dropped of a bit since Bruce came as his Football doesn’t inspire me go much
but I thought I’d brave it tonight
good to see us win 3 points and all that but I won’t be rushing back if that’s the best we’ve got to offer against a bottom side club
it really is promotion at all costs, it’s not for me but fair play to those who wanted Bruce for exactly this sort of winning performance
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Immense respect to all you guys and gals that watch that every week
my attendance had dropped of a bit since Bruce came as his Football doesn’t inspire me go much
but I thought I’d brave it tonight
good to see us win 3 points and all that but I won’t be rushing back if that’s the best we’ve got to offer against a bottom side club
it really is promotion at all costs, it’s not for me but fair play to those who wanted Bruce for exactly this sort of winning performance
To be fair to Bruce and the team that was an unusually ugly win. We have actually played some decent stuff the past few weeks. At least as far as I can tell, being across the atlantic I only watch via TV cameras.
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We won but overall we were not good. Apart from Hutton, who, unlike the rest played like it mattered and Grealish, who, for his short time on the pitch showed how to keep the ball and involve players around him.
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Having just arrived back home, I can honestly say it was a shit game. And, evidenced by the almost-silent crowd throughout.
Poor in possession and poor without the ball. We won because Blunderland's defence was rubbish.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzz
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Having just arrived back home, I can honestly say it was a shit game. And, evidenced by the almost-silent crowd throughout.
Poor in possession and poor without the ball. We won because Blunderland's defence was rubbish.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzz
Have to concur. Struggling to recall a game where so many misplaced passes went out of play.
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It was always going to be ugly.
3 Points! Yippee!
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Hourihane s passing was particularly bad tonight, I will give him credit for his work rate though.
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I thought we were outplayed for the first half hour and they were getting in behind us with some nice passing but after that we got the line right and they didn't really threaten save for some last-ditch tackles/interceptions by Samba and Chester. Thought we were in for some stress after they scored but we broke up the game, slowed it down and stopped them from building up pressure. It was shit but it was quite professional and the last twenty minutes didn't really drag like you'd expect it to.
Five of us went together and we all thought Hutton was MOTM easily.
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absolute turgid stuff, from both teams - if this is the best that a team costing £50 million+ can do then oh dear, but as he says Bruce knows best!
it pains me to say that for me Hutton was MOTM but then I expect that from a right back who cost us £9 + million (the most expensive right back in the league)
Davis looked as though 2 games in 4 days is too much for him at this stage of his career
Wolves look at the moment a class above, everyone else that I have seen is of an equal level - 3 wins and you are up near the play offs (look at Forest)
Fair play to the Sunderland fans who made the journey, it must have been a long journey home.
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absolute turgid stuff, from both teams - if this is the best that a team costing £50 million+ can do then oh dear, but as he says Bruce knows best!
it pains me to say that for me Hutton was MOTM but then I expect that from a right back who cost us £9 + million (the most expensive right back in the league)
Davis looked as though 2 games in 4 days is too much for him at this stage of his career
Wolves look at the moment a class above, everyone else that I have seen is of an equal level - 3 wins and you are up near the play offs (look at Forest)
Fair play to the Sunderland fans who made the journey, it must have been a long journey home.
I'm not sure the team.that was out there last night cost £50m+ and Hutton didn't cost us £9m+ either.
Too many players were off their game but down at QPR, none of them had a bad game. It was frustrating to watch as you just wanted them to step it up a gear but the three points was the main thing.
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£3m for Hutton I thought. And it was 6 years ago. His price is irrelevant
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Having just arrived back home, I can honestly say it was a shit game. And, evidenced by the almost-silent crowd throughout.
Poor in possession and poor without the ball. We won because Blunderland's defence was rubbish.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzz
It was a game of missed passes and wrong decisions from both sides. Smith senior did not get his birthday treat but he did get three points.
We had two decent short spells of football and scored during both but otherwise the players looked lethargic. It seems clear that we are going to need bring in another forward to take the weight off the two youngsters. On the plus side Samba has coped well as a backup, Hutton had another really good game and Jedinak and Grealish are available again. Find a way to win on Saturday and it will have been a great week.
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It’s worrying that the players looked tired and lethargic.
It’s only frigging November, and they have just come back from (another) 2 week break.
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£3m for Hutton I thought. And it was 6 years ago. His price is irrelevant
To be fair if we add in his wages we are probably talking 12m or so and counting
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5 of the starting 11 are free transfers or loans, it's hardly like we were fielding the Galacticos.
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£3m for Hutton I thought. And it was 6 years ago. His price is irrelevant
Think Spurs bought him for £9m from Rangers earlier in his career.
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It was an atrocious game of football.
Apart from Grabban, who did well in the first half but we then got the measure of (albeit that I appreciate he then scored a goal), I thought Sunderland were as bad an away team as I have seen at Villa Park for a very long time.
Hutton was fantastic, a decent cameo from Jack when he came on, Samba was brutal but effective. Hourihane didn't have one of his better games. Taylor had a rocky first half but redeemed himself with a better performance in the second.
Job done!
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It’s worrying that the players looked tired and lethargic.
It’s only frigging November, and they have just come back from (another) 2 week break.
Some had a break, others were away on international duty.
The biggest problem was the front two, for a combination of reasons, being below par and leading to a lack of options for the midfield.
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Grinding out wins.....makes promotions that does.
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Great win last night. Sod the poor performances. Its all about keeping momentum. In this division you're not going to play well every match. It's just important to win ugly at times and we did just that.
The crowd were awful last night. It had to be said. We need to get behind them vocally when we're not playing so well.
Come you lions!
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We looked tired and the passing, absence of pressing and decision making reflected that. Few days rest now, but we need to freshen it up for Saturday.
We never looked in any danger really, as Sunderland look as bad as any side I have ever seen. We've gone from the sublime to the hardworking in QPR to last night, but we ground the result out and have put the three teams ahead of us under pressure.
Taylor was probably the worst. Snoddy did ok with his effort and pressing and he of course produced a moment of quality for the goal, but Davis and Onomah were way off the pace. Hourihane and Whelan far too deep and ball retention was poor.
Still, result was all that mattered and I went home happy. I know we can play well, really well and I know we can win when we play poorly. That's how titles are won.
Its a long old season, but we're coping quite well with the injuries and still have Grealish, Jedinak and Lansbury to freshen up that midfield. Hopefully Gabby isn't too far away, as he will offer something in this league and then there is Green and his pace too. Wolves, Cardiff and Sheffield United don't have that depth.
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Grind out the points.
Snodgrass had a hand in both goals and should have got one
Players are coming back after injuries and thats part of having a squad.
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I thought it was a professional if uninspiring performance in which we were never really under too much threat, even with those few free kicks being swung in at the end. A typical Bruce type of win.
Sunderland reminded me very much of us over the last few years, not terrible throughout but always capable of dropping regular individual clangers that shatter any confidence built, they weren't as bad as I expected them to be.
Despite the strength of the bench it was concerning that Bruce had no forward options to change a clearly out of sorts young partnership.
Some decent individual performances, Snodgrass had his best game for us I've seen and the centre halves were solid. MOM by some distance though was Hutton who was excellent.
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We looked tired and the passing, absence of pressing and decision making reflected that. Few days rest now, but we need to freshen it up for Saturday.
We never looked in any danger really, as Sunderland look as bad as any side I have ever seen. We've gone from the sublime to the hardworking in QPR to last night, but we ground the result out and have put the three teams ahead of us under pressure.
Taylor was probably the worst. Snoddy did ok with his effort and pressing and he of course produced a moment of quality for the goal, but Davis and Onomah were way off the pace. Hourihane and Whelan far too deep and ball retention was poor.
Still, result was all that mattered and I went home happy. I know we can play well, really well and I know we can win when we play poorly. That's how titles are won.
Its a long old season, but we're coping quite well with the injuries and still have Grealish, Jedinak and Lansbury to freshen up that midfield. Hopefully Gabby isn't too far away, as he will offer something in this league and then there is Green and his pace too. Wolves, Cardiff and Sheffield United don't have that depth.
Good point. Right now I think the injury situation is dictating things. If Cardiff /Wolves etc suffer the kind of injury list we've had to deal with it could change the complexion of the leaders board in our favour. Here's hoping anyway.
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We looked tired and the passing, absence of pressing and decision making reflected that. Few days rest now, but we need to freshen it up for Saturday.
We never looked in any danger really, as Sunderland look as bad as any side I have ever seen. We've gone from the sublime to the hardworking in QPR to last night, but we ground the result out and have put the three teams ahead of us under pressure.
Taylor was probably the worst. Snoddy did ok with his effort and pressing and he of course produced a moment of quality for the goal, but Davis and Onomah were way off the pace. Hourihane and Whelan far too deep and ball retention was poor.
Still, result was all that mattered and I went home happy. I know we can play well, really well and I know we can win when we play poorly. That's how titles are won.
Its a long old season, but we're coping quite well with the injuries and still have Grealish, Jedinak and Lansbury to freshen up that midfield. Hopefully Gabby isn't too far away, as he will offer something in this league and then there is Green and his pace too. Wolves, Cardiff and Sheffield United don't have that depth.
Well summed up. Unlike Saturday where we took control of the game, we weren't there last night. Onomah got robbed so many times, Hourihane was ordinary and O'Shea had Davis in his pocket - he really needs someone to play next to him. I'd still like to see us have more possession than the opposition at home, irrelevant of the "it matters what you do with the ball" argument.
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I'm happy with the three points even if the performance wasn't that good we have just got to keep winning.
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I’ve seen better Football played at Newport Pagnell Football Club this season
and I’m not even kidding
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We looked tired and the passing, absence of pressing and decision making reflected that. Few days rest now, but we need to freshen it up for Saturday.
We never looked in any danger really, as Sunderland look as bad as any side I have ever seen. We've gone from the sublime to the hardworking in QPR to last night, but we ground the result out and have put the three teams ahead of us under pressure.
Taylor was probably the worst. Snoddy did ok with his effort and pressing and he of course produced a moment of quality for the goal, but Davis and Onomah were way off the pace. Hourihane and Whelan far too deep and ball retention was poor.
Still, result was all that mattered and I went home happy. I know we can play well, really well and I know we can win when we play poorly. That's how titles are won.
Its a long old season, but we're coping quite well with the injuries and still have Grealish, Jedinak and Lansbury to freshen up that midfield. Hopefully Gabby isn't too far away, as he will offer something in this league and then there is Green and his pace too. Wolves, Cardiff and Sheffield United don't have that depth.
Well summed up. Unlike Saturday where we took control of the game, we weren't there last night. Onomah got robbed so many times, Hourihane was ordinary and O'Shea had Davis in his pocket - he really needs someone to play next to him. I'd still like to see us have more possession than the opposition at home, irrelevant of the "it matters what you do with the ball" argument.
We do have plenty of possession. Our problem is keeping hold of it and that's down to poor passing and good movement. Something we lacked last night in equal measures.
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I was watching with the sound down out of the corner of my eye, but they were still getting forward a lot better than at the start of the season. It just didn't really take a defensive genius to guess what we were going to do with the ball with our lack on incisiveness.
Good ground out result though, and the younger players will keep learning.
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On the plus side, if you're going to have a crap performance it's best to do it against a side so bad that our 2015/16 side would beat them. 16 league games without a win, 3 league wins in 2017 and at least 8 first teamers out last night.
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I thought it was a professional if uninspiring performance in which we were never really under too much threat, even with those few free kicks being swung in at the end. A typical Bruce type of win.
Sunderland reminded me very much of us over the last few years, not terrible throughout but always capable of dropping regular individual clangers that shatter any confidence built, they weren't as bad as I expected them to be.
Despite the strength of the bench it was concerning that Bruce had no forward options to change a clearly out of sorts young partnership.
Some decent individual performances, Snodgrass had his best game for us I've seen and the centre halves were solid. MOM by some distance though was Hutton who was excellent.
I said the same thing about their performance being reminiscent of us in previous years, it’s a fragility they will need to address quickly or they could be gone. A definite case of the whole not matching the sum of the parts.
I also agree on Snodgrass, he played like it mattered to him and he carried that on after the whistle with the way he went round his teammates. In Terry’s absence good to see somebody stepping up.
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On the plus side, if you're going to have a crap performance it's best to do it against a side so bad that our 2015/16 side would beat them. 16 league games without a win, 3 league wins in 2017 and at least 8 first teamers out last night.
20 home games without a win in any competition. They not have won at home once in 2017.
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Our league record of wins draws and losses after eighteen games is exactly the same as 95-96. Keep it up and we will be fine. Provided we get a striker in January.
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Typical wet and dark midweek match v a team who will be lucky to stay up.
Said before kick off that the result was ALL that mattered so i am not going to complain too much. We all know it was an awful game, a few positives for me though;
Snodgrass work rate was exceptional. Top performance, just a shame he wasn't more composed with his chance.
Hutton - like Snodgrass, he worked very hard for the team and made a few crucial interceptions/challenges. Our number 1 right back currently. Having said that i thought Taylor was poor so would be tempted to put Hutton LB and Elmo back at RB
We won!
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On the plus side, if you're going to have a crap performance it's best to do it against a side so bad that our 2015/16 side would beat them. 16 league games without a win, 3 league wins in 2017 and at least 8 first teamers out last night.
But it's not just tonight, apart from the Norwich game we haven't played well all season at home. Just looking at the Sheffield Wednesday game, when we went 2 down we never looked like pulling it back. Last night, after the first goal, we scored a fortunate 2nd, otherwise, apart from Snodgrass's miss, can't remember us creating a decent chance. Their goalie let the ball go through his hands from a corner, but we never tested him again from crosses, and this against a Sunderland team, with 7 players missing. Our lack of creativity all season is very concerning.
The good news is Albert is in tremendous form and Hutton, the Scottish Cafu, is probably playing the best football of his career.
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Samba and Hutton were great last night
(Things you never thought you’d never write)
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27k vs Sunderland on a Tuesday night. Most championship clubs and some premiership clubs would love that.
Here, here. A winter's night with 2 home games in 4 days and Christmas around the corner against what have become over the years an unattractive opposition.
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Davis had a poor game but I can forgive him as a) he never hid away, b) he's young and still learning and c) we won.
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Albert was MotM for me. Not just his goal but tremendous work rate. We need him for the rest of the season with Jimmy out.
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absolute turgid stuff, from both teams - if this is the best that a team costing £50 million+ can do then oh dear, but as he says Bruce knows best!
it pains me to say that for me Hutton was MOTM but then I expect that from a right back who cost us £9 + million (the most expensive right back in the league)
Davis looked as though 2 games in 4 days is too much for him at this stage of his career
Wolves look at the moment a class above, everyone else that I have seen is of an equal level - 3 wins and you are up near the play offs (look at Forest)
Fair play to the Sunderland fans who made the journey, it must have been a long journey home.
3 points. What do points make?
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27k vs Sunderland on a Tuesday night. Most championship clubs and some premiership clubs would love that.
Here, here. A winter's night with 2 home games in 4 days and Christmas around the corner against what have become over the years an unattractive opposition.
And Sunderland brought 800 fans with them. If it was a Saturday they’d have brought at least another 2 to 2,500. It’s a decent crowd.
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That was absolutely dreadful. Crap, safe football but luckily Sunderland are garbage. Turned out to be a good night though with Sheff Utd and Bristol City losing.
Those kind of performances though are why we don't beat any of the teams around us because you can't get away with it. We must improve going into December.
The crowd. Only 27k, piss poor considering we were 5th and on a decent run. Sunderland had the same as that on Saturday and haven't won at home in 2017. Will it take us to be in the top two for everyone to come crawling back?
Atmosphere was shocking aswell. Silent for the majority of the game.
I'd have thought that even the hard of thinking would realise that Saturday games tend to attract bigger crowds than those held on Tuesday night.
Our average home support is over two thousand higher than theirs without having played Small Heath and Wolves yet, and we have the best away support in the country.
Still, don't let the facts get in the way of you finding an excuse to moan about our fans. I hope you enjoyed listening to the game on the radio.
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and this against a Sunderland team, with 7 players missing.
That's not correct. I kept a close eye on their players and for the entire 93 minutes they had 11 players on the pitch.
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With those 7 players they're still shit.
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I thought Sunderland outplayed us for long periods. We looked so pedestrian, barely any movement with moves breaking down very quickly. That said, I'm glad and impressed we won but it's a performance that doesn't inspire confidence in me. I suppose points on the board in the main thing though.
Taylor got a bit of stick near me and I could sort of see why. He looked lightweight, unimaginative and a bit frightened at times.
Hutton was immense. Some of his tackles got the whole ground cheering.
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Davis had a poor game but I can forgive him as a) he never hid away, b) he's young and still learning and c) we won.
I thought it was more to the experience of O'Shea - just like Terry he has seen it, done it, won it and knows how to play the game
As for Sunderland outplaying us - it just looks that way as we allow other teams possession as they tend to do not a lot with it.
My concern is the Keeper - 2 games, 2 things to do both got wrong, 2 x goals conceded - and his kicking is piss poor also
Saturday
Jedi for Whelan
Jack for Onomah
Elmo for Hutton
Hutton for Taylor
And both O'Hare and Doyle on bench
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I wouldn't fault Johnstone for the goal, he parried the ball wide.
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On the plus side, if you're going to have a crap performance it's best to do it against a side so bad that our 2015/16 side would beat them. 16 league games without a win, 3 league wins in 2017 and at least 8 first teamers out last night.
so basically we managed to make the worst side in the world look sort of half decent
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Davis had a poor game but I can forgive him as a) he never hid away, b) he's young and still learning and c) we won.
I thought it was more to the experience of O'Shea - just like Terry he has seen it, done it, won it and knows how to play the game
Actually, that's a good point. I would expect Terry to have raw 19 year olds in his pocket too.
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That was absolutely dreadful. Crap, safe football but luckily Sunderland are garbage. Turned out to be a good night though with Sheff Utd and Bristol City losing.
Those kind of performances though are why we don't beat any of the teams around us because you can't get away with it. We must improve going into December.
The crowd. Only 27k, piss poor considering we were 5th and on a decent run. Sunderland had the same as that on Saturday and haven't won at home in 2017. Will it take us to be in the top two for everyone to come crawling back?
Atmosphere was shocking aswell. Silent for the majority of the game.
I'd have thought that even the hard of thinking would realise that Saturday games tend to attract bigger crowds than those held on Tuesday night.
Our average home support is over two thousand higher than theirs without having played Small Heath and Wolves yet, and we have the best away support in the country.
Still, don't let the facts get in the way of you finding an excuse to moan about our fans. I hope you enjoyed listening to the game on the radio.
Quinton does like to constantly criticise those who go to the games, whether it's how many of them or what sort of atmosphere they create, it's slightly bizarre.
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Neil Taylor is useless. I hope at the weekend he goes back to Elmo at RB, Hutton at LB.
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Pleased to have seen us win another 3points, glad we're up to 4th, still a lot to do.
On a side note, within my group of mates, we have a friendly bet on when quinton comes on here to slag off the Villa fans again. I won last night (post 42 on this thread)!
Onto the next match, hoping for a better performance and certainly the 3 points.
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27k vs Sunderland on a Tuesday night. Most championship clubs and some premiership clubs would love that.
Here, here. A winter's night with 2 home games in 4 days and Christmas around the corner against what have become over the years an unattractive opposition.
And Sunderland brought 800 fans with them. If it was a Saturday they’d have brought at least another 2 to 2,500. It’s a decent crowd.
It certainly is on both counts and they have had as many years of utter dross as we have
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Neil Taylor is useless. I hope at the weekend he goes back to Elmo at RB, Hutton at LB.
Taylor did not have a great game last night but it is OTT to say he is useless. He has been solid if unspectacular for us since he arrived.
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Samba and Hutton were great last night
The danger is that Newport Pagnell make a bid for them in the transfer window and we lose them. ;)
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Samba and Hutton were great last night
The danger is that Newport Pagnell make a bid for them in the transfer window and we lose them. ;)
They'll offer us Morrissey's lost bag for both of them.
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Samba and Hutton were great last night
The danger is that Newport Pagnell make a bid for them in the transfer window and we lose them. ;)
They'll offer us Morrissey's lost bag for both of them.
Nice one.
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and this against a Sunderland team, with 7 players missing.
That's not correct. I kept a close eye on their players and for the entire 93 minutes they had 11 players on the pitch.
My apologies I'm off to the opticians tomorrow.
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Samba and Hutton were great last night
The danger is that Newport Pagnell make a bid for them in the transfer window and we lose them. ;)
they might make the bench against Holbeach
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Neil Taylor is useless. I hope at the weekend he goes back to Elmo at RB, Hutton at LB.
My concern is he has that leg break wild tackle in him. For such an unassuming player he has a real horrible streak in him. I worry every time he is late and dives in, which is at least once a game.
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and this against a Sunderland team, with 7 players missing.
That's not correct. I kept a close eye on their players and for the entire 93 minutes they had 11 players on the pitch.
My apologies I'm off to the opticians tomorrow.
Well you see Lew I get the point you were making but honestly does it matter with a team like Sunderland as to who is playing for them. This is a team that has not won a match anywhere since the last time turkey was carved on dinner tables so those missing seven are just as shit or even worse than the players on the pitch last night.
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Samba and Hutton were great last night
The danger is that Newport Pagnell make a bid for them in the transfer window and we lose them. ;)
There is no danger as John indicated in another post they are not good enough to play for Newport Pagnell😆.