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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: PeterWithesShin on September 27, 2017, 07:48:09 PM
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Championship
Saturday 30 September, 15:00
Villa Park.
I keep starting threads and predicting 1-1, i'm not stopping now.
1-1
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4-1 Villa. Davis 2, Adomah and Kodjia
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6-0
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3-0
Bolton have lost their last seven without scoring a goal. This should be a walk in the park
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I expect them to come and pack the midfield, sit in deep and look for percentage balls from throw ins and set pieces.
If we score early we will see their heads drop and hopefully we can rattle a few in.
Patience will be key.
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A slow start followed by more goals in the second half
3-0
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I often go on the opposition forums to see what they think. Two things
1. They think they'll get beat.
2. It must be important to them, they started the thread in June.
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I'm going. 0-1.
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I've been offered a free ticket with my beloved son but can't go.
14-0
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Referee to stop the game to protect Bolton at 8-0
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Win hopefully, but don't let complacency set in.
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8-0 Villa.
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I think this might be tricky. Our confidence isn't completely rebuilt yet and I imagine they'll be playing not to lose rather than to win.
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Get the first goal and the confidence and their heads dropping should enable us to kick on and win it comfortably like last night.
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2-0. Kodjia and Snodgrass.
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We'll be piling in on these. 6-0.
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Would be great to see a really convincing win at Villa Park.
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2-1. Kodjia with both
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Well I correctly predicted the 4-0 score against Burton, and I think it’ll be another straightforward win here.
2-0 this time though as Bolton will try to defend the entire 90 mins.
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Always makes me nervous to read that we are playing a team that hasn’t scored/won for x amount of time. These runs have to come to an end- law of averages etc.
Having said that, we have waited from 2010 until recently for ours to come to an end...
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Always makes me nervous to read that we are playing a team that hasn’t scored/won for x amount of time. These runs have to come to an end- law of averages etc.
Having said that, we have waited from 2010 until recently for ours to come to an end...
If it's any consolation I think they've scored in their last 10 visits to Villa Park, or something stupid like that, so perhaps the law of averages will work for this rule instead.
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2-0. Keep the unvincibility going.
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I see the Bolton chairman has given the manager the vote of confidence after another defeat. They've Sammy Ameobi back and this week managed to bring in Karl Henry to their midfield. Despite losing to Bristol City 2-0, they still fought hard for 90 minutes with 10 men for all the second half.
Hopefully they're knackered but I may have to revise my prediction to 4-0.
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3-0. The addition of Sammy Ameobi and Karl Henry doesn't exactly have me shaking with fear.
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We now enter another phase for the manager, how to handle the expectation, avoid complacency and make any alterations to the team, if needed, and not derail the train. Perhaps the older players might need a rest, are we carrying any injuries? Not only a change of personnel but a change of formation may be required and this is dangerous territory for Bruce.
I'm hopeful that if there are changes, they will be minor and we keep that momentum.
3-0
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Jedi should be available on Saturday if we need to rest Whelan.
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We now enter another phase for the manager, how to handle the expectation, avoid complacency and make any alterations to the team, if needed, and not derail the train. Perhaps the older players might need a rest, are we carrying any injuries? Not only a change of personnel but a change of formation may be required and this is dangerous territory for Bruce.
I'm hopeful that if there are changes, they will be minor and we keep that momentum.
3-0
I doubt he will make any changes unless he's forced to. Most of them will have a break after this game.
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We now enter another phase for the manager, how to handle the expectation, avoid complacency and make any alterations to the team, if needed, and not derail the train. Perhaps the older players might need a rest, are we carrying any injuries? Not only a change of personnel but a change of formation may be required and this is dangerous territory for Bruce.
I'm hopeful that if there are changes, they will be minor and we keep that momentum.
3-0
You might want to change that prediction to 3-2 with Sammy Ameobi and Karl Henry getting the Bolton goals. Paranoia has now set in and I am now convinced my previous post was tempting fate.
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We now enter another phase for the manager, how to handle the expectation, avoid complacency and make any alterations to the team, if needed, and not derail the train. Perhaps the older players might need a rest, are we carrying any injuries? Not only a change of personnel but a change of formation may be required and this is dangerous territory for Bruce.
I'm hopeful that if there are changes, they will be minor and we keep that momentum.
3-0
I doubt he will make any changes unless he's forced to. Most of them will have a break after this game.
That's my hope. The centre half pairing is crucial, while I can appreciate Terry won't play 3 games a week regularly, there is the break to factor in this time.
In summary I have Elphick and Samba-it is.
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We now enter another phase for the manager, how to handle the expectation, avoid complacency and make any alterations to the team, if needed, and not derail the train. Perhaps the older players might need a rest, are we carrying any injuries? Not only a change of personnel but a change of formation may be required and this is dangerous territory for Bruce.
I'm hopeful that if there are changes, they will be minor and we keep that momentum.
3-0
No need for any changes to the starting line up. Hopefully we in a comfortable enough position after 60 or so minutes to be able to make a few changes if necessary.
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FTF’s.
4-0
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I often go on the opposition forums to see what they think. Two things
1. They think they'll get beat.
2. It must be important to them, they started the thread in June.
One of them is planning on parking at Ruskin Hall; they're in for a surprise.
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A win and those above us to start looking over their shoulders.
Just hope the international break won't press the rest button.
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A win and those above us to start looking over their shoulders.
Just hope the international break won't press the rest button.
Or injuries.
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11-0.
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A win and those above us to start looking over their shoulders.
Just hope the international break won't press the rest button.
It's come at the wrong time hasn't it?
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A win and those above us to start looking over their shoulders.
Just hope the international break won't press the rest button.
It's come at the wrong time hasn't it?
We won't know until after. The last one came at the right time seemingly.
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Score early and we have a convincing win, but confidence is a fragile thing. The longer it goes at 0-0 the more worried we become. If we score early could be another 4-0 but if not a scrappy 1-0 in the second half.
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They'll play for the draw, one we should be winning easily on paper but rarely turns out that way.
2 0 - Some Adomah magic to brighten up a dull game.
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I'm going to say 3-0 Villa win and the run keeps going.
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Feeling confident for the first time in a long while 5-0.
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A win and those above us to start looking over their shoulders.
Just hope the international break won't press the rest button.
It's come at the wrong time hasn't it?
I think its the perfect time. It'll give us time to rest and regroup before potentially our biggest game of the season.
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Easy win!
I'm slightly annoyed that, after last nights results, we might not be top 6 before the International break, even if we win.
Oh well. Keep winning and well get there soon.
UTV!
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I think we will win.
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Villa enough boltom 0
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Drop Whelan for Doyle -Hayes - what I have seen so far a younger, fitter version
I certainly would not take the piss and rest players - guaranteed to back fire
As other have said start strong get a few then take off some key players
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This game is made for Kodjia. 3-0
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Drop Whelan for Doyle -Hayes - what I have seen so far a younger, fitter version
I certainly would not take the piss and rest players - guaranteed to back fire
As other have said start strong get a few then take off some key players
Why would we even consider resting players with the internationals break coming up? I would be amazed if he changes a winning team. If a miracle happens and we make a habit of being 3 or 4 up then that's the time to give younger players a run out I reckon.
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I meant reset button, not rest button.
But yeah, a rest should be used positively.
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This is a match we should win easily but...
They have not won and and are not scoring whereas we are winning and scoring for fun so what can go wrong?
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Anyone know when we last had a +6 goal difference?
Best I can remember in the last 5/6 years has been + or - 1
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I wonder if Bruce's "Bolton moment" will be a standing ovation from a rapturous VP after we administer a good shoeing to break into the top 6. Should be a decent crowd - decided at last minute to take my 6 year old to see if a scintillating villa performance can spark his interest a bit more than hes shown so far. Can't say I blame him - all the games hes been to so far have been cack.
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Isn't their manager Phil Parkinson the former manager of Bradford?
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Isn't their manager Phil Parkinson the former manager of Bradford?
I know where this is going, don't even think it.
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Lets just say I'm taking nothing for granted.
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Lets just say I'm taking nothing for granted.
Nor me, it would be arrogant to assume we will win 6-0. It might only be 3,4 or 5-0 to us.
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We will give them 6 of the best.
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Should win this but then we are Aston Villa
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a dire 1-0
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Isn't their manager Phil Parkinson the former manager of Bradford?
I know where this is going, don't even think it.
If we give them a hiding we might get our ultimate revenge on him.
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This should be a bread and butter win 3-1 to the villa.
Come on lads keep momentum going.
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They've not won away or at VP for a while.....
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We nearly always win at home against Bolton. They're bottom with only 2 points and we've won 3 in a row.
Will be mighty cheesed off if we don't win.
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Kodija hat trick it's his time to shine. Hogan would relish this fixture to. What I'm saying 3 goals and then some,!!
Unchanged line up would make sense but even Samba or Agbonlahor and Richards could play and still run out winners. Bolton W great club great traditions shame they struggling think came up too soon and struggle as a result of off field
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1-0 win
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2-0 win. Kodija and snodgrass
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3-0 to us.
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Complacency could be a factor here if this thread is anything to go by.
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If we start with the same tempo as Tuesday night and score early, then it could and should be a similar result.
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If we approach this as we have the last few games we will win easily. Bruce has to make sure that's what we do. An early goal could see a real hiding being dished out.
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The next challenge for us is how we react when teams come for a point when they play us (home and away). Its been a very long time since we've been good enough to break down teams who put massed ranks behind the ball. Tomorrow will be a good test of that I reckon.
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The next challenge for us is how we react when teams come for a point when they play us (home and away). Its been a very long time since we've been good enough to break down teams who put massed ranks behind the ball. Tomorrow will be a good test of that I reckon.
Agreed, it's how Bruce sets the team up and the tactics he employs. We've not exactly shone at breaking teams down when they park the bus.
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They've not won away or at VP for a while.....
Did they not beat us 2 1 last time they played at VP? Always remembered them being a bogey side for us apart from under MON
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5-0
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I'd love to win big, on paper that might seem plausible but after more than half a decade of the worst I've ever known Villa to be I'll gladly take any sort of win for now.
In an ideal world, I'd love to see us continue to play decent football, scoring a couple of goals. That would be optimum for me.
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Last minute decision to come up from London for it.
0-0, guaranteed.
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This is all very Villa. Lose a few, we're the worst team in the world. Win a few, and we're gonna smash everybody. In recent times we have been the worst in the world, or very close to it, so the optimism and desire to win is very much an antidote to that negativity of just a couple of weeks ago.
But I really hope that old Villa disease, the most pernicious of all Villa diseases, complacency and arrogance, doesn't return. As long as we remember, we're not too good or big for this league, and we should never expect to beat anyone we haven't worked our socks off and sweated blood to beat. If we can eradicate that sloppy thinking with consistency and vigilance, then I'll know we've turned a corner.
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Complacency could be a factor here if this thread is anything to go by.
Account clearly hacked!!
The normal Ads predicts a 4-0 win whoever we are playing!
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They've not won away or at VP for a while.....
Did they not beat us 2 1 last time they played at VP? Always remembered them being a bogey side for us apart from under MON
Yep. THAT McLeish game. They won at VP in the LC that year as well.
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The next challenge for us is how we react when teams come for a point when they play us (home and away). Its been a very long time since we've been good enough to break down teams who put massed ranks behind the ball. Tomorrow will be a good test of that I reckon.
This is my take on it aswell.
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They've not won away or at VP for a while.....
Did they not beat us 2 1 last time they played at VP? Always remembered them being a bogey side for us apart from under MON
Yep. THAT McLeish game. They won at VP in the LC that year as well.
The most poisonous night I've had at Villa, and theres been a few. Worse than anything in the relegation season IMO
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Nothing on 03/03/03.
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Nothing on 03/03/03.
Agreed. I have never experienced at atmosphere so weird in all my 30+ years of going to games. Walking back to the car, my wife said she would never go to another Villa v Small Heath match ever again, and she hasn't.
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We could be as high as 5th if other results go our way. I won't know what do with myself if that ends up being the case.
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That night will never be equalled in terms of sheer nastiness at Villa Park. Even the calmest, most passive Villa fans were wound up for that.
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We could be as high as 5th if other results go our way. I won't know what do with myself if that ends up being the case.
I'd love it but;
Preston v Sunderland
Ipswich v Bristol City
We'll, more than likely, be 7th come the International break.
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Nothing on 03/03/03.
Not even close.
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Kodjia to get a couple and us to win 4-1
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Nothing on 03/03/03.
Not even close.
Agreed. Remember people running from the Holte to try and get to SHA supporters.
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Nothing on 03/03/03.
Not even close.
Agreed. Remember people running from the Holte to try and get to SHA supporters.
What happened then ? I dont remember it, I wasnt at the game though.
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Nothing on 03/03/03.
Not even close.
Agreed. Remember people running from the Holte to try and get to SHA supporters.
What happened then ? I dont remember it, I wasnt at the game though.
Oh Christ. That night was pure evil. I have never known a game of football before where pretty much everyone was foaming at the mouth to belt seven shades of shit out of the opposing fans.
Unfortunately, they hadn't played us for so long they had started to believe their own myths. "The home ends would be chock full of noses". "They were going to take the Holte". "All Villa fans turn up from the Shires wearing bobble hats and only do so to moan". They had believed the self created myth that they could turn up and do as they pleased. Reality is a bitch though.
The ones identified in our stands that clearly weren't there to fight were verbally abused. They had drinks and food launched over them. They were liberally spat on by all and sundry.
If you displayed any suggestion you wanted to be one of the team to "take the Holte" then you were quickly either dealt a hefty blow or thrown down the stairs.
And that is before our sending offs meaning the atmosphere got worse and we had fans piling into the away end to dish out some retribution.
It was horrible. The one night we truly sank to their level.
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One of their disabled supporters got attacked. That's how bad it was.
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We tried to comfort a Villa fan dying of a heart attack in the park after that game.
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Witton Lane was like Agincourt with glass bottles before the game as well.
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We tried to comfort a Villa fan dying of a heart attack in the park after that game.
That's absolutely awful to hear Brian. So sad.
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Nothing on 03/03/03.
Actually, yeah. My first Second City Derby. I had managed to forget about it, thanks for bringing back those memories.
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Nothing on 03/03/03.
Not even close.
Agreed. Remember people running from the Holte to try and get to SHA supporters.
I was in the family stand that night. There was Blues fans in the directors box behind us and the Villa fans ran up and gave them a pasting. Fans were also running on and attacking SHA fans from the Doug Ellis and Trinity, it was pure poison from the second the teams coming out for the warm ups.
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It was like Saigon above Aston Park before the game with multiple helicopters.
An evil night. Destroyer of myths. Sky haven't broadcast anything like it in their post 92 sanitised offerings.
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It was like Saigon above Aston Park before the game with multiple helicopters.
An evil night. Destroyer of myths. Sky haven't broadcast anything like it in their post 92 sanitised offerings.
I forgot it was on Sky, having been at the match.
I bet they were shell shocked in the studio which, I think, used to be in the right hand corner between the Holte and the Doug Ellis.
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Nothing on 03/03/03.
Not even close.
Agreed. Remember people running from the Holte to try and get to SHA supporters.
What happened then ? I dont remember it, I wasnt at the game though.
Oh Christ. That night was pure evil. I have never known a game of football before where pretty much everyone was foaming at the mouth to belt seven shades of shit out of the opposing fans.
Unfortunately, they hadn't played us for so long they had started to believe their own myths. "The home ends would be chock full of noses". "They were going to take the Holte". "All Villa fans turn up from the Shires wearing bobble hats and only do so to moan". They had believed the self created myth that they could turn up and do as they pleased. Reality is a bitch though.
The ones identified in our stands that clearly weren't there to fight were verbally abused. They had drinks and food launched over them. They were liberally spat on by all and sundry.
If you displayed any suggestion you wanted to be one of the team to "take the Holte" then you were quickly either dealt a hefty blow or thrown down the stairs.
And that is before our sending offs meaning the atmosphere got worse and we had fans piling into the away end to dish out some retribution.
It was horrible. The one night we truly sank to their level.
In every area. Without wishing to carry on going off topic here, it was the most scared I've ever been at a football match. I arrived very early to avoid any unpleasantness and left well before FT once we were dead and buried on the pitch. The scenes, especially in the second half, were shocking. My friend Ian came to the ground at his usual time before KO. He got to the corner of Witton Lane, turned round and went back home due to WWIII looking on the cards. It was carnage. Maybe the visit of Rangers was worse but this one was the ultimate for me.
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Anyway, PWS is going for 1-1, I'm going for 2-0 and we'll probably get a 0-0 war of attrition.
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4-0
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03/03/03 will never be topped for sheer hatred. The noses didn't know what hit them that night off the pitch. It speaks volumes that despite them claiming to have thousands in our ends every season has anyone actually seen one since that night? I haven't. Not saying there haven't been any but none have been brave/stupid enough to make themselves known. My abiding memory is being in the Holte at 0-2 down roaring on the Witton Lane as they piled into the noses. I remember a nose celebrating in the Upper Witton aswell and we cheered as he bounced down the steps and 'normal' fans kicked him as he rolled past. I was only 16 and in a weird way I loved it as I hadn't seen anything like it before, or since.
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It was like Saigon above Aston Park before the game with multiple helicopters.
An evil night. Destroyer of myths. Sky haven't broadcast anything like it in their post 92 sanitised offerings.
I forgot it was on Sky, having been at the match.
I bet they were shell shocked in the studio which, I think, used to be in the right hand corner between the Holte and the Doug Ellis.
No idea, was at the game.
Who knew the concrete steps of the upper Witton were so bouncy or maybe Solihul produces bouncy Noses. Eitherway, I doubt he has sat in the wrong end since.
The Mail were responsible for what happened that night as much as anything else.
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They've not won away or at VP for a while.....
Did they not beat us 2 1 last time they played at VP? Always remembered them being a bogey side for us apart from under MON
Yep. THAT McLeish game. They won at VP in the LC that year as well.
They were always a bugger to beat under Big Sam. That cup semi final we lost to them after a terrible first leg summed it up as they were very beatable as the second leg showed.
As soon as he left we started beating them comfortably home and away.
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It was like Saigon above Aston Park before the game with multiple helicopters.
An evil night. Destroyer of myths. Sky haven't broadcast anything like it in their post 92 sanitised offerings.
I forgot it was on Sky, having been at the match.
I bet they were shell shocked in the studio which, I think, used to be in the right hand corner between the Holte and the Doug Ellis.
No idea, was at the game.
Who knew the concrete steps of the upper Witton were so bouncy or maybe Solihul produces bouncy Noses. Eitherway, I doubt he has sat in the wrong end since.
The Mail were responsible for what happened that night as much as anything else.
Why talk about violence with such glee?
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It's not glee, it's glib and matter of fact. On 3rd March 2003 a Birmingham City fan bounced down a number of steps. Never seen it before and not seen it since.
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We tried to comfort a Villa fan dying of a heart attack in the park after that game.
I remember reading that in the next H&V. That article stuck in my mind for a while, he was lying on the grass by the Trinity IIRC although way I read it he'd been attacked by someone.
It was just a horrible night. Everything wrong about it. Kicking off at 8pm again after the first game was an insane move by the Police which build everything up and we were awful on the night, don't think we had a shot on target.
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Witton Lane was like Agincourt with glass bottles before the game as well.
Yep was walking under Witton Bridge just as a whole mob of SHA fans were getting off the train singing their anti Villa songs at the top of their voices.
They got a little surprise as they kept on singing it up to the turnstiles and then the bottles start flying through the air.
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I must point out, I am not "bigging up" the appalling and gratuitous behaviour that night. It was terrible.
It was also very predictable. 8pm kick off?
I nipped out of work for a sandwich about 12 before heading to the game later. I have never known such an air of foreboding before.
People were staring each other out and expecting the worst whilst they had lunch. So moody was it that the now wife pleaded with me at lunchtime not to go to the game. That was just from how uncomfortable she felt getting a bite to eat 8 hours before kick off.
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It's not glee, it's glib and matter of fact. On 3rd March 2003 a Birmingham City fan bounced down a number of steps. Never seen it before and not seen it since.
Good. Let's hope none of us ever do again.
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Back to the Bolton game and it's a really important that we get the job done. This is like an old fashioned banana skin cup tie, a unexpected defeat can totally derail momentum and despite our recent upturn Bruce simply cannot afford that yet.
2-0 Villa, Kodja and Snodgrass.
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Rocky II ¬win Villa win"
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Get after them early, quick goal. Then put them away with a confidence that we can take into October as Bruce picks up the Championship Manager of the Month award. I wanted him out not so long ago. This is the sort of banker that he needs to keep the players motivated for. 2-0 Villa. Kodjia and Albert.
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They've not won away or at VP for a while.....
They've won their last 2 at Villa Park, and drew the one before that.
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A win tomorrow and we'll be in 6th place if Ipswich and Bristol draw. The top 5 should all pick up wins with their fixtures.
Villa 3-0.
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Do or die for Grayson so maybe a rabbit can be pulled there. Cannot see them sticking in the top six into spring anyway.
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Confident we will win but if we dont and we play as well as before then I can deal with it. Bruce gets a pass on this one from me if he keeps up the better quality of football.
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Not for me he doesn’t. He doesn’t get a pass against an abjectly poor team, our of their depth, at home, on the back of a very good run and with an international break coming up.
This is as much a ‘must win’ as ever.
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Bruce will, quite rightly, get dogs abuse of we fuck up, at home, against the worst side in the division.
Bruce ran out of 'free passes' a long time ago. It's time to deliver, week in week out against poor sides, or fuck off.
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Bruce will, quite rightly, get dogs abuse of we fuck up, at home, against the worst side in the division.
Bruce ran out of 'free passes' a long time ago. It's time to deliver, week in week out against poor sides, or fuck off.
Spot on. 3 points. No excuses.
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And a dominant performance would be nice. For the whole game.
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There can be no excuses if we fail to beat this mob today. For the first time in ages I've gone for a Villa win (!), but my confidence is tempered by years of inept performances & results. Just win this bloody game, boys. Please.
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Villa are 2/5 to win today. However I still won't risk a penny on them. A should win game and let's hope we do. Wouldn't it be great for our younger supporters to actually watch a confident successful villa side albeit in the championship.