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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: PeterWithesShin on September 24, 2017, 05:21:49 PM
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Championship
Tuesday 26 September, 19:45
Pirelli Stadium
1-1
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0-1. The promotion push continues
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Such a difficult one to chew over, hope obviously for a win but won't cry over a draw
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My first away game for 3 years. They'd better win.
1-2
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We don't win many on the road, I'll go for 1-1.
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2-2.
Burton are tough to beat on their own turf.
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Think this will be a tough and dour game. They're an awkward side at home. I'd take a scrappy 1-0 to us all day long.
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0-2. The unvincibility (sic) continues.
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Well now that The Kodge is back, we should score more goals.
He hasn't scored since his return and I think he will put that right.
I can't see us not conceding but I don't think The Kodge's goal will be our only goal on the night.
So I'm going to go for a 2-1 Villa win.
Just my opinion.
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1-1.
Play-offs here we come.
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2-1 to Villa.
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1-1
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Tough game. I didn't realise how good Burton were at home until I checked.
Same eleven. 442. Horrible game but if we get out of there with three points I don't care
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2-1 defeat. Back to square one.
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1-1 and pegged back at end by late late equaliser
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My birthday, so it will be a 1-3 Villa win present from the lads :)
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I know there was a lot of Villa fans last season in the Home end . If I was going to keep my head down a buy a ticket in a Burton Stand, can anyone suggest the best stand and how they purchased their ticket i.e online or ticket office.
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The one tongue right of the a way end. You don't need to keep your head down. The Villa in there were singing unchallenged.
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FIFA 17 predicts a comfortable 3-0 away win, but the squads were a bit out of date so this may be unreliable.
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The one tongue right of the a way end. You don't need to keep your head down. The Villa in there were singing unchallenged.
Thanks
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Attack them 2-0 routine Villa win.
Sit back and defend and hope for a break 1-1
So 1-1 it is then...
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If we want promotion to the premiership then 3 points should be what we expect to get
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If by any chance anyone who goes to Burton gets a chance to speak to Nigel Clough say hello to him for me as we are good mates.
I sat next to him at a Paul Simon gig at the NEC the week before he played in the 1991 FA cup final.
Admittedly since then we haven't really kept in touch.
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This is Burton Albion we are discussing, the only acceptable result is a comfortable win. I think we will get one. Villa to win 0-2 with goals from Davis and Terry.
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9 points from 9 games
Home - W2 D1 L0 Points 7
Away - W0 D2 L3 Points 2
GD - GD -9
19th
The do look solid at home but they are a side who will surely finish around about where they are currently and we should certainly be looking to get something there. Hopefully a win but with their home record a draw would not be a disgrace.
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They have lost at home, Cardiff opening day. 1-0 last minute.
Anybody expecting a stroll will be in for a shock.
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0-2 to the Villa. It wont be pretty but it will be another 3 points in the bag!
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They have lost at home, Cardiff opening day. 1-0 last minute.
Anybody expecting a stroll will be in for a shock.
Agree. The match thread will be one to avoid tomorrow.
Any sort of win tomorrow and it's a really good result
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Tickets are on general sale and can be bought easily from the ticket office.
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Draw - 1-1 we haven't gelled yet.
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It might well be tougher than we think it should be. I saw one of their games a few weeks back on the tellybox and they played some really decent stuff. I've always liked Lloyd Dyer for them. He's not a world beater but he's very direct and good at what he does. I think we'll edge it though, 1-2, Kodjia and Davis.
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To get promoted this has to be a win. 0-1 Villa
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Tickets are on general sale and can be bought easily from the ticket office.
I have never seen such a large contingent of away fans gathered together in the home end before and so open about it, with the home fans or stewards not really minding.
I expect the same tomorrow will probably happen if they've not sold out.
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0-3
Adomah
Kodjia
Snodgrass
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2-1 Villa win.
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I know you have to go with form and BA are solid at home and we’re absolute pish away... but it’s burton Albion ffs. Hopefully we’ve hit our straps as the cricketers say, and the juggernaut rolls on.
0-2
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Tickets are on general sale and can be bought easily from the ticket office.
Website saying it is a restricted fixture?
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The problem with this one is that a draw would've been a decent result if we'd not dropped points at home to Boro and Brentford but now we really do need to win to keep ourselves in sight of the top 3.
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For me the worst two dropped points at home were Hull and Boro. We didn't really deserve anything from the Brentford game.
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These lot are overdue a battering. 4-0, Kodjia 2, Adomah 1, Hourihane 1.
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Tough game.1-1 draw
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For me the worst two dropped points at home were Hull and Boro. We didn't really deserve anything from the Brentford game.
Indeed, but if you've said we'd win 1 and draw 2 of those 3 before the season started most people would've expected the win to be Brentford. On top of that if we win these next 2 a draw with Wolves will be a decent result, if we don't get 6 points then that one becomes a must win to close the gap.
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Really tough game this, Burton played 5-4-1 on Saturday although they were away but I don't expect them to play any differently as survival is their aim.
We really struggle against sides like this and we don't need a defensive midfielder like Whelan to play, only a piece of individual flair will win this game.
Fully expect a dour 0-0 draw, try not to fall asleep.
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A game that we could equally win or lose, so 1-1 for me.
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Same team as Saturday but change Whelan for either Lansbury or Onomah - and move the fecking ball quicker
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I can't see us losing this the question is can we win it?
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This will be much tougher than we think. I have to say what Clough has done at Burton has been incredible. They lost their main signing before the start of the season. And they always piss all over SHA. So 1-1 will be a goodish result to keep the run going.
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Can I ask a serious question.
To those saying a draw away against Burton is a good result, who exactly do you think we should be expected to beat away from home?
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Can I ask a serious question.
To those saying a draw away against Burton is a good result, who exactly do you think we should be expected to beat away from home?
I take your point but I think our lack of bravado is down to them being pretty solid at home.
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Can I ask a serious question.
To those saying a draw away against Burton is a good result, who exactly do you think we should be expected to beat away from home?
I take your point but I think our lack of bravado is down to them being pretty solid at home.
Yes it is a fair point and really we should expect to win. However, we have been shit beyond belief for several years. It's just possible that the tanker of ineptitude is just about slowing down and maybe even turning round. In that context not losing and keeping the very tentative recovery just about on track (and our unbeaten run going) could be considered a reasonably good result.
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Draw would be a bad result. We just had two shit draws, and had we won Brentford, Boro or both then a draw might not be as bad in that context. As it is we have to beat the likes of Burton and Bolton if we truly want to close the gap on the three. Anything less will be a huge disappointment.
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Games like this can be tougher than they should be. Tiny ground, their players and fans up for it etc. I'd be disappointed with dropping points obviously but it wouldn't be the end of the world.
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Tough game this - they may be a small name, but have proven this season already they are no mugs at home, and we will be one of their biggest games all season - they will be right up for it. We will have to weather their energy and enthusiasm and then when the chances come, show our class. I hope we win it, but don't think a draw would be a terrible result particularly if we then turn Bolton over Saturday (as we must at home) - will leave us well positioned.
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We clearly have a split in the ranks on this one. We need another poll.
Tough Game
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Should be a gimme
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Tough game this - they may be a small name, but have proven this season already they are no mugs at home, and we will be one of their biggest games all season - they will be right up for it. We will have to weather their energy and enthusiasm and then when the chances come, show our class. I hope we win it, but don't think a draw would be a terrible result particularly if we then turn Bolton over Saturday (as we must at home) - will leave us well positioned.
We have a lot of ground to make up so need the win. We will have a number of players unable to make the match day 18 who would walk into most sides in the division including Burton hence we ought put these away fairly comfortably.
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Echoing many, we should be winning this sort of game if we want promotion.
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This will be much tougher than we think. I have to say what Clough has done at Burton has been incredible. They lost their main signing before the start of the season. And they always piss all over SHA. So 1-1 will be a goodish result to keep the run going.
Have to say I think Clough jnr does a decent job wherever he goes.
There was a time where I thought he'd be ideal for us, but, like his dad, he seems better at a smaller club
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If we accept failing to win games like this, then we can write off automatic promotion.
It's early days but, already, Burton are;
19th in the division
16th worst team at home
20th worst offensive team
20th worst defensive team
Accept a non win here and you might as well accept we were not going up this season.
We simply can not keep drawing these types of games, if we want to get back to the PL.
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Away win but it won't be pretty.
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We should and we will win. 2-0 Villa. Kodjia x2
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This will be much tougher than we think. I have to say what Clough has done at Burton has been incredible. They lost their main signing before the start of the season. And they always piss all over SHA. So 1-1 will be a goodish result to keep the run going.
Have to say I think Clough jnr does a decent job wherever he goes.
There was a time where I thought he'd be ideal for us, but, like his dad, he seems better at a smaller club
I didn't think he did too badly at Derby or Sheffield United but on the other hand he obviously didn't do well enough. He has done a great job on both occasions at Burton, although to be fair the likes of Rowett and Hasselbaink also did well in between.
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This will be much tougher than we think. I have to say what Clough has done at Burton has been incredible. They lost their main signing before the start of the season. And they always piss all over SHA. So 1-1 will be a goodish result to keep the run going.
Have to say I think Clough jnr does a decent job wherever he goes.
There was a time where I thought he'd be ideal for us, but, like his dad, he seems better at a smaller club
I didn't think he did too badly at Derby or Sheffield United but on the other hand he obviously didn't do well enough. He has done a great job on both occasions at Burton, although to be fair the likes of Rowett and Hasselbaink also did well in between.
Sheffield United fans think differently.
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Echoing many, we should be winning this sort of game if we want promotion.
Promotion? I've already lowered my expectations and see us in the play-offs which are a bloody lottery.
Obviously with the squad we have and a manager that's had 10/11 months with the club we should expect to be right up there in the automatic promotion spots but I just don't see it happening.
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one nil to the good guys (us)
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Echoing many, we should be winning this sort of game if we want promotion.
To go up automatically, we have to win SOME of these sort of games. But not all of them
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Echoing many, we should be winning this sort of game if we want promotion.
To go up automatically, we have to win SOME of these sort of games. But not all of them
Don't agree.
To go up automatically, especially after our poor start, we have to win nearly all of these types of games - against teams who will be in the bottom third throughout the season. "SOME" won't cut it I'm afraid.
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1-1 kodija to get his first goal
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To go up automatically you need about 90 points which is easiest by getting as close to 30 wins as possible and realistically 26-27 is the minimum. If we looked like getting 17-19 home wins then we could afford to drop some points in games like this but our home record so far is nothing like good enough for that, we're already getting close to the point where we'd have to win every home game for the rest of the season.
That's why dropping points at home to Brentford and Boro (and Hull) was so damaging.
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Most people think 10 games is a good time to take stock. Draw this and we're mid table with 14 points after 10 games. That won't be good enough. 16 points after 10 is hardly much better, but matters because it will be a third on the trott.
The excuses have to stop. Teams like Burton should be beaten by any team with ambition.
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Echoing many, we should be winning this sort of game if we want promotion.
To go up automatically, we have to win SOME of these sort of games. But not all of them
Don't agree.
To go up automatically, especially after our poor start, we have to win nearly all of these types of games - against teams who will be in the bottom third throughout the season. "SOME" won't cut it I'm afraid.
But no team is going to do that and we're not going to win every home game from here on in. That's a tough ask for anybody.
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Echoing many, we should be winning this sort of game if we want promotion.
To go up automatically, we have to win SOME of these sort of games. But not all of them
Don't agree.
To go up automatically, especially after our poor start, we have to win nearly all of these types of games - against teams who will be in the bottom third throughout the season. "SOME" won't cut it I'm afraid.
But no team is going to do that and we're not going to win every home game from here on in. That's a tough ask for anybody.
Exactly right, that's why starting the season with no plan of how we wanted to play and looking under prepared was such a fuck up, especially given how poor our away form was last season.
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Echoing many, we should be winning this sort of game if we want promotion.
To go up automatically, we have to win SOME of these sort of games. But not all of them
Don't agree.
To go up automatically, especially after our poor start, we have to win nearly all of these types of games - against teams who will be in the bottom third throughout the season. "SOME" won't cut it I'm afraid.
But no team is going to do that and we're not going to win every home game from here on in. That's a tough ask for anybody.
Exactly right, that's why starting the season with no plan of how we wanted to play and looking under prepared was such a fuck up, especially given how poor our away form was last season.
But we've lost two so far. A disapointing start, but hardly a fuck up.
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Just freed up some time that means I can go tomorrow ...if only I had a ticket. Anyone looking for a good home for any spare please remember me.
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Echoing many, we should be winning this sort of game if we want promotion.
To go up automatically, we have to win SOME of these sort of games. But not all of them
Don't agree.
To go up automatically, especially after our poor start, we have to win nearly all of these types of games - against teams who will be in the bottom third throughout the season. "SOME" won't cut it I'm afraid.
But no team is going to do that and we're not going to win every home game from here on in. That's a tough ask for anybody.
Exactly right, that's why starting the season with no plan of how we wanted to play and looking under prepared was such a fuck up, especially given how poor our away form was last season.
But we've lost two so far. A disapointing start, but hardly a fuck up.
We've recovered reasonably well but 1 point from the first 3 when we needed a strong start is a fuck up, letting ourselves be 7 points off the pace already is fuck up, knowing your season is over with 7-8 games to go and not using the rest of the games as an early pre-season and embedding a style was a fuck up. All in my opinion and I know you don't agree but, as you say, achieving the home record we'd have hoped for is much harder now than it was.
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Echoing many, we should be winning this sort of game if we want promotion.
To go up automatically, we have to win SOME of these sort of games. But not all of them
Don't agree.
To go up automatically, especially after our poor start, we have to win nearly all of these types of games - against teams who will be in the bottom third throughout the season. "SOME" won't cut it I'm afraid.
But no team is going to do that and we're not going to win every home game from here on in. That's a tough ask for anybody.
The teams that go up automatically WILL "win nearly all of these types of games - against teams who will be in the bottom third......"
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If anybody has a spare ticket please let me know.
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I think we are slowly changing our mind set as a squad. The players know that games like this have to be won. Especially after dropping points at home so soon. I hope Bruce makes a couple of changes Onomah-Whelan (small pitch) will need speed and energy. 0-2 Kodjia-Snodgrass .....
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Everybody will go through a three game blip like we did.
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4 points will get us nicely in position if not quite in the top 6.
Given where we were at the start of October last year I can live with being a point or two off the play offs.
As I've said October fixtures will give an indication whether we're automatic promotion contenders or just scrambling for a play off position under this manager.
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Enough of this jibber jabber. We are beating this lot tomorrow and Bolton on Saturday. Nothing less than 6 points will do me.
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Don't feel confident at all about this game after the last one. 2-1 Burton
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Enough of this jibber jabber. We are beating this lot tomorrow and Bolton on Saturday. Nothing less than 6 points will do me.
This. Our next 5 fixtures after the international break will be much more challenging therefore we need 6 more points this week.
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Echoing many, we should be winning this sort of game if we want promotion.
To go up automatically, we have to win SOME of these sort of games. But not all of them
Don't agree.
To go up automatically, especially after our poor start, we have to win nearly all of these types of games - against teams who will be in the bottom third throughout the season. "SOME" won't cut it I'm afraid.
Last year's three promoted teams all won at Burton. I expect us to win and get on a serious winning streak.
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I really want us to win and continue our winning run.
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Enough of this jibber jabber. We are beating this lot tomorrow and Bolton on Saturday. Nothing less than 6 points will do me.
This. Our next 5 fixtures after the international break will be much more challenging therefore we need 6 more points this week.
Totally agree we should get six points. Although part of me thinks it might only be four.
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Enough of this jibber jabber. We are beating this lot tomorrow and Bolton on Saturday. Nothing less than 6 points will do me.
This. Our next 5 fixtures after the international break will be much more challenging therefore we need 6 more points this week.
Totally agree we should get six points. Although part of me thinks it might only be four.
I just like the term `jibber jabber`.
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Burton 1Villa 4. You heard it here first.
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Draw would be a bad result. We just had two shit draws, and had we won Brentford, Boro or both then a draw might not be as bad in that context. As it is we have to beat the likes of Burton and Bolton if we truly want to close the gap on the three. Anything less will be a huge disappointment.
Is the right answer.
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Enough of this jibber jabber. We are beating this lot tomorrow and Bolton on Saturday. Nothing less than 6 points will do me.
This. Our next 5 fixtures after the international break will be much more challenging therefore we need 6 more points this week.
Totally agree we should get six points. Although part of me thinks it might only be four.
I just like the term `jibber jabber`.
That reminds me. The A Team are on Spike at lunchtime.
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when was the last time we won 3 on a trot.
We have to win this. if we want to be serious about getting promoted these games we need to win now especially what we have dropped already.
1-2 Villa
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0-2 to Villa. Kodja and Taylor.
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1-1
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I fully get that they are better at home than away, but if we can't go to Burton Albion on the back of two wins and expect to win then we really are a pessimistic bunch. This absolutely is a game that teams with any hopes of going up are expecting three points, and that's the mindset we need to adopt and quick.
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Snodgrass to sneak one before half-time after a messy half for both teams.
2nd half will be much the same, maybe Terry to get a header from a corner, but I think its 1 nil to us.
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Massive midweek for us with the top four playing each other. Win tonight and we could be just 3 or 4 points off 4th. Win again on Saturday and we're right in contention without even playing well or doing anything special. This is Villa though, we'll probably lose both.
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Will be a tough game, but an early goal should take the pressure off a bit.
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I fully get that they are better at home than away, but if we can't go to Burton Albion on the back of two wins and expect to win then we really are a pessimistic bunch. This absolutely is a game that teams with any hopes of going up are expecting three points, and that's the mindset we need to adopt and quick.
Spot on
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Massive midweek for us with the top four playing each other. Win tonight and we could be just 3 or 4 points off 4th. Win again on Saturday and we're right in contention without even playing well or doing anything special. This is Villa though, we'll probably lose both.
If you do lose both games it's because we do not have a good team and or manager and not because we are Villa and somehow cursed.
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Everybody will go through a three game blip like we did.
Which one? We've had two already this season.
We should win tonight and again on Saturday. That will put us back in the chasing back, and put pressure on the top 2. They won't like seeing a club like Villa on their tails.
It's time to act like the big club we are. Come on Villa!
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Everybody will go through a three game blip like we did.
Which one? We've had two already this season.
We should win tonight and again on Saturday. That will put us back in the chasing back, and put pressure on the top 2. They won't like seeing a club like Villa on their tails.
It's time to act like the big club we are. Come on Villa!
This. Get the win tonight, then push on and we are right back in it.
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Looking forward to the game tonight now, miss the anticipation and excitement of going into a game on the back of a couple of wins with that cautious feeling of optimism rising as it gets closer to kick off.
You know that winning will feel better than it normally does even, the sky will be the limit- but the harsh crash back to reality if we lose will be worse too.
What football’s all about though surely?
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If we win the next two games (and we should do) then Bruce is nearly in a position where we are meeting the absolute worst acceptable performance level for Villa this season, so long as other result go in our favour. At the moment he still has us some way below that.
If we do not get promoted this season he will rightly be sacked, play-offs are not really good enough given the resource he has at his disposal. With the money Xia has spent and the facilities Villa have it should be like shooting fish in a barrel going to teams like Burton Albion.
If we do not win the next two I hope he gets his P45. That said I do think we will win, and that we have turned a corner.
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Everybody will go through a three game blip like we did.
Which one? We've had two already this season.
We should win tonight and again on Saturday. That will put us back in the chasing back, and put pressure on the top 2. They won't like seeing a club like Villa on their tails.
It's time to act like the big club we are. Come on Villa!
Hull, Cardiff, Reading - 3 game blip.
Norwich to Forest - automatic promotion form.
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If we win the next two, I'll be waiting for my letter telling me the Trinity Upper will be back open
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Just to back up the argument that teams that want to go up need to win these games, last season:
Burton 0-1 Brighton
Burton 1-2 Newcastle
Burton 0-1 Huddersfield
All tight games, but you have to find a way to get over the line.
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Everybody will go through a three game blip like we did.
Which one? We've had two already this season.
We should win tonight and again on Saturday. That will put us back in the chasing back, and put pressure on the top 2. They won't like seeing a club like Villa on their tails.
It's time to act like the big club we are. Come on Villa!
Hull, Cardiff, Reading - 3 game blip.
Norwich to Forest - automatic promotion form.
Bristol City, Brentford, Middlesbrough - another 3 game blip.
Unless you consider 3 points from 9 (with 2 games at home), not a blip?
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I consider 12 from 6 automatic promotion form, as I've stated.
Anyway, I'm off to the game.
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We'll smash this lot 3-0.
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Just to back up the argument that teams that want to go up need to win these games, last season:
Burton 0-1 Brighton
Burton 1-2 Newcastle
Burton 0-1 Huddersfield
All tight games, but you have to find a way to get over the line.
Pretty much everyone has a tough game there. last season and this only 4 times has anyone won there by more than a goal.
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I consider 12 from 6 automatic promotion form, as I've stated.
Anyway, I'm off to the game.
Even that form throughout the whole season would not have got automatic promotion last season.
If Villa, after the start they have had, get 12 out of every 18 points for the rest of the season, they might just scrape the play-offs.
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I consider 12 from 6 automatic promotion form, as I've stated.
Anyway, I'm off to the game.
Even that form throughout the whole season would not have got automatic promotion last season.
If Villa, after the start they have had, get 12 out of every 18 points for the rest of the season, they might just scrape the play-offs.
Far be it for me to defend Bruce but that is cobblers. Even on the basis of playing only 30 more matches we would be in play off land with 12 from each 18.
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2 pts per game for the rest of the season would give us 87pts. Last year 80 pts was the last play off position, although that was unusually high. I'd say 76 would do it this year, meaning we need 1.7pts per game, or win 5 draw 2 lose 3 in every 10. If we can't manage that then Bruce would need sacking. Automatic should still be the aim, it has to be.
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Bruce has kept the same team
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Fuck me! Changes on Sat then I would've thought.