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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: kippaxvilla2 on September 12, 2017, 09:33:58 PM
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He has to go. It's sad but we aren't going up with him in charge.
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Fucking booooooooooooooo.
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This is a joke right? Have the players stopped playing for him or what? Please feck off Steve...
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Time's up, it has to be. There's not a chance this squad are getting promoted under Bruce.
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Bit like under rdm today, so many missed chances
Get a coach in who knows the modern game
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Similar to RDM last season.
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I can't comment on how we played and it's a shit result in the circumstances
But it did sound like we could have easily had three or four today
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September crucial month two home games four points dropped. All over.
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There is only one place we're going with this dinosaur.
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The fans don't deserve this.
The football gets worse and worse and worse.
We are an embarrassment. I wonder why I bother.
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OUT!
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I can't comment on how we played and it's a shit result in the circumstances
But it did sound like we could have easily had three or four today
We really couldn't have.
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I think we hit the bar from five yards out, had two off the line, missed an open goal and several other chances?
FFS
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5 unbeaten, we're on a roll!!
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How was the reception at the end? Avfc Tv crashes...
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I will say irrespective of whether the red card was deserved Lansbury has been absolutely awful since he came to Villa. I can remember one decent half and that was his debut I think.
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2 points out of 6 at home. I'm sure SB is on borrowed time.
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5 unbeaten, we're on a roll!!
now with added clean sheets
What's not to like
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I can't comment on how we played and it's a shit result in the circumstances
But it did sound like we could have easily had three or four today
We really couldn't have.
Well as I say above we hit the bar, hit our own man on the line, Bjarnason missed a sitter, hogan missed a sitter?
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We have to learn to enjoy these times. They're what'll make our return to the Premier League all the more pleasurable in 2037.
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What depresses me most is how well Sheff United are doing and they were a division lower last year. We are solid and hard to beat but that's it. V V V poor.
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OUT OUT OUT
OUT OUT OUT OUT OUT
Fuck OFf Steve
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This is what we get when lil Lee porks the boss' daughter
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I think we hit the bar from five yards out, had two off the line, missed an open goal and several other chances?
FFS
I didn't wake up to watch it, but that sounds entertaining. Who were the culprits of the near misses?
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I will say irrespective of whether the red card was deserved Lansbury has been absolutely awful since he came to Villa. I can remember one decent half and that was his debut I think.
He is dreadful. My theory is that he's a big game player, with the obvious flaw that no game appears big enough for his ego.
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Can I have his job?
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I can't comment on how we played and it's a shit result in the circumstances
But it did sound like we could have easily had three or four today
We really couldn't have.
Well as I say above we hit the bar, hit our own man on the line, Bjarnason missed a sitter, hogan missed a sitter?
I was one of the very last defenders of Lambert on this site so I know how you feel, but I really think you're backing the wrong mule here.
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7 goals in 7 games including 4 v Norwich, 3 goals in 6 otherwise, no where near promotion. Another midtable, drawathon, low scoring, dull season awaits unless Wyness pulls something out of his arse and rids us of the negative Dino. They won't have the balls to sack Spud anyway, it will be another sky shit fest against Barnsley on Saturday.
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Cardiff being found out now. Don't worry they'll have another game against us at some point.
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Bruce will be happy with 0-0. The board will cream themselves that we got a draw with the championship favourites. However we stunk out the premiership for a couple of years and now we aim to do the same in the championship...Villa engine...don't make me fuckin laugh
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Chances were created, it was better than Saturday but more and more plucking draws. I don't want him sacked, I want him or anyone to succeed but 7 points from 7 games, 10 points off top...more or less identical to the beginning of RDM's short reign.
I'm putting money on him going if anything less than 3 points are taken from Barnsley.
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Ten points off top spot after 7 games is impressive going
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Championship for years then..
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That Hourihane/Hogan chance will go down in folklore. When the time comes for Richard Whitehead to get out his pen and write a sequel to 'Children of the Revolution', I shall give a wry smile that it was the turning point.
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I think we hit the bar from five yards out, had two off the line, missed an open goal and several other chances?
FFS
It's all of little relevance. Plenty of teams should have taken more points from us recently, but we got 'lucky'.
The only constant is that we look shit.
Unclutch those straws and step away from them. You're fighting against the inevitable.
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That Hourihane/Hogan chance will go down in folklore. When the time comes for Richard Whitehead to get out his pen and write a sequel to 'Children of the Revolution', I shall give a wry smile that it was the turning point.
Children of the Apocalypse.
Can't wait.
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I can't comment on how we played and it's a shit result in the circumstances
But it did sound like we could have easily had three or four today
We really couldn't have.
Well as I say above we hit the bar, hit our own man on the line, Bjarnason missed a sitter, hogan missed a sitter?
I was one of the very last defenders of Lambert on this site so I know how you feel, but I really think you're backing the wrong mule here.
I'm not a big fan of Bruce and his style of play
If there's a better option I'm up for it
I'm not sure who that is at the moment
And I'm not blaming Bruce for Lansbury being an idiot, or us missing some absolute sitters
Sky, the E&S, Mail and other sources all say we missed a catalogue of chances. I'll watch the highlights in a bit and make my own mind up
To be honest I'm partly just reacting against the match thread which was just preposterous
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Can I have his job?
If you like kebabs - you are halfway there... Your tactics can't be any worse than this clown.
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Championship for years then..
Yes, Bruce should have gone preseason, there was nothing last season to suggest we would mount a challenge under him this season. Inconsistent, terrible scoring record, couldn't get on top of so called lesser teams.
We spent the pre season suring up the Defence and Centre Mid, when our biggest problem was the lack of pace in the team and ability to break down the opposition. Terrible management.
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'You can't legislate for chances like that. At this level you have to take your chances otherwise you can be punished. Thankfully we haven't tonight. I thought Henris red card looked very harsh. We were in control and that changes it. It's great that we've managed to keep another clean sheet. I've said it before but we are the big scalp in this league. We've not been beaten and Middlesbrough will right up there at the end of the season.'
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That Hourihane/Hogan chance will go down in folklore. When the time comes for Richard Whitehead to get out his pen and write a sequel to 'Children of the Revolution', I shall give a wry smile that it was the turning point.
Children of the Apocalypse.
Can't wait.
Spawn of the Spunk Sock.
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At least Lansbury has now actually done something in a game.
We're really going to miss him.
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I hate to be the 'you can prove anything with statistics' guy, but the flurry of comedy misses in the second half and the half dozen 'not really' chances scattered either side of them couldn't disguise the half-speed huff and puff and head-scratching of a team in perfect harmony with their clueless tactician.
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Well it was a better performance than Saturday (not that, that would be hard), and we had the better chances, but to not score in two straight home games and to have just seven points from games and little sign of progress from last season just isn't good enough. Having Kodja back is plus, but I think we relay too much on him, and need another option to contrast him. Barnsley away really is a must win.
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Didn't we finish last season with something like 1 win in 6 ?? So it's roughly two wins in 12 or so ? Simply not good enough, nothing since last October shows us that he is the man, get rid now before the gap increases. UTV.
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Agree - Bruce really has to bear Barnsley. Lose and I reckon he's out
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Can I have his job?
If you like kebabs - you are halfway there... Your tactics can't be any worse than this clown.
Answer this question and I'll tell you if you are viable. I'll pose it to you in the style of the old Match comics.
Your team has had a poor start to the season and the crowd are restless. During a 2 week lull for internationals do you....
A. Work hard behind the scenes with your assistants studying past performances and deciding what can be done on the training ground, team selection and formation to improve your attacking outlet
B. Continue with your methods, you have faith that they will come good again like they have in the past and that this blip will blow over.
C. Fuck off on Holiday to the Algarve and spend some time eating Kebabs and drinking Carling whilst watching Skysports News.
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This is the stability that too many of you were ok with, so be it.
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That Hourihane/Hogan chance will go down in folklore. When the time comes for Richard Whitehead to get out his pen and write a sequel to 'Children of the Revolution', I shall give a wry smile that it was the turning point.
Children of the Apocalypse.
Can't wait.
Spawn of the Spunk Sock.
An Astonian Anal Firestorm: 2010-2037.
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'You can't legislate for chances like that. At this level you have to take your chances otherwise you can be punished. Thankfully we haven't tonight. I thought Henris red card looked very harsh. We were in control and that changes it. It's great that we've managed to keep another clean sheet. I've said it before but we are the big scalp in this league. We've not been beaten and Middlesbrough will right up there at the end of the season.'
Says it all. What is he talking about?!?!
Did anyone see the Bill Belichick interview after the Patriots lost their first game to the Chiefs - in short "there is nothing to talk about because we were pretty much terrible in everything we did tonight" - his reaction was spot on and this from a born winner managing one of the greatest dynasties in sport.
The difference between these two coaches is night and day - one is a winner, and the other is not. No prizes for guessing which we have.
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I hate to be the 'you can prove anything with statistics' guy, but the flurry of comedy misses in the second half and the half dozen 'not really' chances scattered either side of them couldn't disguise the half-speed huff and puff and head-scratching of a team in perfect harmony with their clueless tactician.
Quite right curious. The chances that did come our way were more by way of a lucky bounce rather than incisive football.
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7 points from 7 games when, realistically, we probably needed 15 by now to mount a challenge. We can't continue to dick about. Change it now and we have a fighting chance. Keep the faith and we finish 10th at best
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Can I have his job?
It must be your turn soon.
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'You can't legislate for chances like that. At this level you have to take your chances otherwise you can be punished. Thankfully we haven't tonight. I thought Henris red card looked very harsh. We were in control and that changes it. It's great that we've managed to keep another clean sheet. I've said it before but we are the big scalp in this league. We've not been beaten and Middlesbrough will right up there at the end of the season.'
For the second time in 3 days I'm not sure whether this is genuine satire or Bruce post game interview.
The fact you can't tell the difference is the most worrying.
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'You can't legislate for chances like that. At this level you have to take your chances otherwise you can be punished. Thankfully we haven't tonight. I thought Henris red card looked very harsh. We were in control and that changes it. It's great that we've managed to keep another clean sheet. I've said it before but we are the big scalp in this league. We've not been beaten and Middlesbrough will right up there at the end of the season.'
Says it all. What is he talking about?!?!
Did anyone see the Bill Belichick interview after the Patriots lost their first game to the Chiefs - in short "there is nothing to talk about because we were pretty much terrible in everything we did tonight" - his reaction was spot on and this from a born winner managing one of the greatest dynasties in sport.
The difference between these two coaches is night and day - one is a winner, and the other is not. No prizes for guessing which we have.
I think that's Kippax's usual prediction / parody. It's usually pretty close mind.
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I can't comment on how we played and it's a shit result in the circumstances
But it did sound like we could have easily had three or four today
We really couldn't have.
Well as I say above we hit the bar, hit our own man on the line, Bjarnason missed a sitter, hogan missed a sitter?
I was one of the very last defenders of Lambert on this site so I know how you feel, but I really think you're backing the wrong mule here.
I'm not a big fan of Bruce and his style of play
If there's a better option I'm up for it
I'm not sure who that is at the moment
And I'm not blaming Bruce for Lansbury being an idiot, or us missing some absolute sitters
Sky, the E&S, Mail and other sources all say we missed a catalogue of chances. I'll watch the highlights in a bit and make my own mind up
To be honest I'm partly just reacting against the match thread which was just preposterous
Sam Allardyce would unquestionably be an improvement on Bruce (as in, the same as Bruce but better at it.) Obviously I'd hope that our options weren't so limited that we'd have to resort to him, but we would stand a much better chance of going up with him. And if we don't go up this season we really are fucked.
To be perfectly honest, I really think we still just about have the clout to tempt any rival manager in this league with the right package. And there is a whole wide world out there.
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Player ratings?
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http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/competitions/championship/11032852/aston-villa-0-0-middlesbrough
We may have played badly, i don't know
But those highlights absolutely confirm we missed some absolute sitters today.
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Some saying a better performance, we were playing against ten men for most of the game ffs. There is nothing pointing to us getting better under Bruce, can anyone deny that this squad is one of the best in the league? we should be in the top six now. Bruce out.
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'You can't legislate for chances like that. At this level you have to take your chances otherwise you can be punished. Thankfully we haven't tonight. I thought Henris red card looked very harsh. We were in control and that changes it. It's great that we've managed to keep another clean sheet. I've said it before but we are the big scalp in this league. We've not been beaten and Middlesbrough will right up there at the end of the season.'
Says it all. What is he talking about?!?!
Did anyone see the Bill Belichick interview after the Patriots lost their first game to the Chiefs
No, I like football
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We have a perfect illustration of how a top coach and a dullard react to the opposition going down to 10 men this week. Guardiola goes for the jugular and his team scores 5. Our doofus decides to stick with his defensive midfielder and waits until half time instead of getting at them immediately before they have a chance to reorganise.
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'You can't legislate for chances like that. At this level you have to take your chances otherwise you can be punished. Thankfully we haven't tonight. I thought Henris red card looked very harsh. We were in control and that changes it. It's great that we've managed to keep another clean sheet. I've said it before but we are the big scalp in this league. We've not been beaten and Middlesbrough will right up there at the end of the season.'
Says it all. What is he talking about?!?!
Did anyone see the Bill Belichick interview after the Patriots lost their first game to the Chiefs - in short "there is nothing to talk about because we were pretty much terrible in everything we did tonight" - his reaction was spot on and this from a born winner managing one of the greatest dynasties in sport.
The difference between these two coaches is night and day - one is a winner, and the other is not. No prizes for guessing which we have.
Spot on.
I'm a Patriots fan and that was a desperately disappointing, if not embarrassing performance, particularly live at home on national TV, when everyone wants you to lose, but at least when you see that kind of honesty you have faith that the guy knows what is wrong and how to fix it. Something we've not seen in a Villa manager in a long time.
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We've been total dog shit for a long old time but we still have the draw (excuse the pun)at this club and I believe we could tempt a lot of good managers in jobs to this football club. Get rid
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We have a perfect illustration of how a top coach and a dullard react to the opposition going down to 10 men this week. Guardiola goes for the jugular and his team scores 5. Our doofus decides to stick with his defensive midfielder and waits until half time instead of getting at them immediately before they have a chance to reorganise.
I agree. Should have changed it very early on
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Did RDM get sacked for worse? Not so sure...
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We've been total dog shit for a long old time but we still have the draw (excuse the pun)at this club and I believe we could tempt a lot of good managers in jobs to this football club. Get rid
Check the 'who will replace Bruce' thread. It's sobering
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I'm just so gutted by this shit storm that just wont stop, I hardly watch any other football these days Villa have destroyed me, I've got a feeling another 0-0 will follow at Barnsley, how fuckin exciting.
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We should have won that. The chances we wasted were mind blowing second half.
Boro were worse when we had 10 men.
Christ we should have burried them.
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'You can't legislate for chances like that. At this level you have to take your chances otherwise you can be punished. Thankfully we haven't tonight. I thought Henris red card looked very harsh. We were in control and that changes it. It's great that we've managed to keep another clean sheet. I've said it before but we are the big scalp in this league. We've not been beaten and Middlesbrough will right up there at the end of the season.'
That tells you everything you need to know. He's happy with that result. 'We've not been beaten' is not good enough Steve and will never be at home in this league.
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Waiting until half time is fucking criminal that said, he shouldn't be starting with that fucking team from the off. The Icelandic guy, is piss poor let's not beat around the bush, he is one of the worst I've seen in 35 years. He makes Daruisz Kubicki look like Cafu. He doesn't play Adomah who was responsible for, what, 10 assists last year? And plays that joker in front of him, it's fucking embrassing. Keinan Davis is a good kid, but we have a £15m centre forward on the bench and a £12m forward who can't bet a place on that bench. The whole thing is a shit storm.
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In Roman times our manager would have been referred to as 'tacticus inepticus'.... these days he's just plain crap.
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'You can't legislate for chances like that. At this level you have to take your chances otherwise you can be punished. Thankfully we haven't tonight. I thought Henris red card looked very harsh. We were in control and that changes it. It's great that we've managed to keep another clean sheet. I've said it before but we are the big scalp in this league. We've not been beaten and Middlesbrough will right up there at the end of the season.'
That tells you everything you need to know. He's happy with that result. 'We've not been beaten' is not good enough Steve and will never be at home in this league.
Fake news
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Only Johnstone Taylor and Terry good enough of the players Bruce has signed. That really is a samning indictment considering how many players he's bright in.
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'You can't legislate for chances like that. At this level you have to take your chances otherwise you can be punished. Thankfully we haven't tonight. I thought Henris red card looked very harsh. We were in control and that changes it. It's great that we've managed to keep another clean sheet. I've said it before but we are the big scalp in this league. We've not been beaten and Middlesbrough will right up there at the end of the season.'
That tells you everything you need to know. He's happy with that result. 'We've not been beaten' is not good enough Steve and will never be at home in this league.
How grim, I knew he would mention the clean sheet....they had 10 players after 5 minutes Steve, you inept ball bag.
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If we'd have gone down to 10 men after 4 minutes we all know we'd have lost comfortably. That's the difference.
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'You can't legislate for chances like that. At this level you have to take your chances otherwise you can be punished. Thankfully we haven't tonight. I thought Henris red card looked very harsh. We were in control and that changes it. It's great that we've managed to keep another clean sheet. I've said it before but we are the big scalp in this league. We've not been beaten and Middlesbrough will right up there at the end of the season.'
That tells you everything you need to know. He's happy with that result. 'We've not been beaten' is not good enough Steve and will never be at home in this league.
Fake news
Lets wait and see.
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The first half was garbage, the second marginally better. Why the fuck did it take Bruce until half time to sacrifice a midfielder and go for it against 10 men? Why the fuck does it always take until the second half for us to play with any sort of urgency or tempo?
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We've been total dog shit for a long old time but we still have the draw (excuse the pun)at this club and I believe we could tempt a lot of good managers in jobs to this football club. Get rid
Check the 'who will replace Bruce' thread. It's sobering
It certainly is sobering. On current form every single person on the list could make a claim to be a better option than Bruce, including the ones who are members of this forum. And I'm not even sure the potato on a stick has been added yet. (I believe the potato is keen on two up front).
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'You can't legislate for chances like that. At this level you have to take your chances otherwise you can be punished. Thankfully we haven't tonight. I thought Henris red card looked very harsh. We were in control and that changes it. It's great that we've managed to keep another clean sheet. I've said it before but we are the big scalp in this league. We've not been beaten and Middlesbrough will right up there at the end of the season.'
That tells you everything you need to know. He's happy with that result. 'We've not been beaten' is not good enough Steve and will never be at home in this league.
Fake news
Ah ok fair enough. Regardless results simply are nowhere near good enough. We're probably at least 8-10 points off where promotion favourites should be.
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This is the stability that too many of you were ok with, so be it.
What?
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The first half was garbage, the second marginally better. Why the fuck did it take Bruce until half time to sacrifice a midfielder and go for it against 10 men? Why the fuck does it always take until the second half for us to play with any sort of urgency or tempo?
Because it's a Steve Bruce side...
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I agree we're miles off and it's not good enough
If we can get someone who we're confident can be better then great
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26.6k there tonight. Signs that support is dwindling again.
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26.6k there tonight. Signs that support is dwindling again.
We'll be lucky to get 15k in the cup game next week.
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26.6k there tonight. Signs that support is dwindling again.
A wet Tuesday night. Not a good indicator under the circumstances.
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http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/competitions/championship/11032852/aston-villa-0-0-middlesbrough
We may have played badly, i don't know
But those highlights absolutely confirm we missed some absolute sitters today.
One was saved....poor old Scott Hogan absolutely nothing going for him....
Snodgrass and Hourihane got into great positions at least, was that Chester who fell over for their own chance?
Lansbury is a creep, a trip or bodycheck even rugby tackle would have been a standard yellow but instead he leaves one high down the back of the guys leg, deserved red. Really need to start promoting the likes of O'Hare and Lyden instead of this clown.
Don't think you can sack a guy off the back of that, reminded me of the misses v Forest last season. Bruce has made a mess of his two transfer windows and the end seems nigh soon anyway. Last chance saloon v Barnsley I'd say.
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Saying at least we kept a clean sheet, you were playing against ten men for most of the game you moron.
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Yeah he won't be sacked before Saturday
I agree on O'Hare. I'd bring him in now. Especially if Onomah is still out
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If we were any good, despite the weather, against a fancied side, with Villa up in the top six, I think there'd have been well over 30k there tonight.
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Barnsley beat Derby 3-2 in the League Cup. That's not going to be easy on Saturday evening! Just saw the Hourihane/ Hogan comedy on SSN - you couldn't make it up! Lansbury deserved a yellow at most for that challenge.
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Is there an interview anywhere yet?
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Top video for his post match interview https://www.facebook.com/pg/avfcofficial/video
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Is there an interview anywhere yet?
On Facebook
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If we were any good, despite the weather, against a fancied side, with Villa up in the top six, I think there'd have been well over 30k there tonight.
Easily. Sky and everyone on Twitter raving about Leeds having 31,000 there tonight, they're a one club city who were going top of the league. If we were in the same position we'd have had 33k/34k+.
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People talking about the fact we created chances tonight....I should fucking hope so, we were playing against 10 men for more than 60 minutes.
And even then, they were not well worked chances, they were made from lucky bounces and ricochet's.
And let's not forget, our goalie saved us yet again with another top quality save when Boro went through and had a decent shot.
For most part again, we were slow, ponderous and lacking imagination.
I sincerely hope we hear tomorrow that Bruce has been relieved of his duties.
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Not the worst we've played all season and should should have scored twice, but in the context of the season another 0-0 at home is nowhere near good enough. The set up in the first half was all wrong. How Bjarnason started ahead of Adomah I will never know, he's a miserable excuse for a footballer.
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Barnsley beat Derby 3-2 in the League Cup. That's not going to be easy on Saturday evening! Just saw the Hourihane/ Hogan comedy on SSN - you couldn't make it up! Lansbury deserved a yellow at most for that challenge.
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Nah deserved red for Lansbury. Its the sort of challenge I hate, the cheating, cynical challenge that cretinous pundits describe as "taking one for the team"
Its fucking cheating and id be all for them being straight reds all the time
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No way was the Angie challenge a red, stupid and cynical definitely, and the kind of challenge i'd like to be an automatic red but you very rarely see them given.
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From those highlights I'd say both red cards were harsh and that, of the chances they showed only 2 of them are ones I'd expect us to score, the one off the bar and the one Hogan cleared, all the others are reasonable chances but the players never looked like they expected to score.
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I can't comment on how we played and it's a shit result in the circumstances
But it did sound like we could have easily had three or four today
We really couldn't have.
Well as I say above we hit the bar, hit our own man on the line, Bjarnason missed a sitter, hogan missed a sitter?
I was one of the very last defenders of Lambert on this site so I know how you feel, but I really think you're backing the wrong mule here.
I'm not a big fan of Bruce and his style of play
If there's a better option I'm up for it
I'm not sure who that is at the moment
And I'm not blaming Bruce for Lansbury being an idiot, or us missing some absolute sitters
Sky, the E&S, Mail and other sources all say we missed a catalogue of chances. I'll watch the highlights in a bit and make my own mind up
To be honest I'm partly just reacting against the match thread which was just preposterous
It's going to be easy to point to those chances. Undeniably we were somewhat unlucky at times. But for the vast majority we looked again a team in a coma. We amble around no real decisiveness or penetration. Lacking ideas, getting trapped in tight spaces because we are too slow to exploit the spaces or don't have players who can exploit the limited spaces we create.
Tonight Bjarnasson and Taylor had absolute nightmares. Davis looked like a lumbering oaf up front. Kodjia isn't fit and Hogan is lost up there. John Terry has to wonder what on earth he signed up for. The aggressive, combative cock of a footballer is dead and this is now a retirement gig before he hangs it up.
I hope they end this for Bruce. He doesn't have a clue how to fix it and we need new ideas.
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Whoever scouted Bjarnason should be sacked immediately. He isn't a footballer, he's just a bloke in a football kit.
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At least Lansbury has now actually done something in a game.
We're really going to miss him.
Lansbury. Who is he? Does he play for Villa.
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Just seen Bruce. Keeps saying we have the makings of a good team but we rarely field the same team for two games. What is our best team Brucie? Maybe a little unlucky tonight but you could argue the first half was wasted by ploughing on with the starting formation.
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26.6k there tonight. Signs that support is dwindling again.
Thats a fucking great crowd considering.
Considering Everything.
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No way was the Angie challenge a red, stupid and cynical definitely, and the kind of challenge i'd like to be an automatic red but you very rarely see them given.
They should be given as reds imo. I hate them challenges. For me its as bad as diving which should also be a straight red
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No way was the Angie challenge a red, stupid and cynical definitely, and the kind of challenge i'd like to be an automatic red but you very rarely see them given.
The ref was always going to look to level it up after sending Adomah off so early.
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No way was the Angie challenge a red, stupid and cynical definitely, and the kind of challenge i'd like to be an automatic red but you very rarely see them given.
They should be given as reds imo. I hate them challenges. For me its as bad as diving which should also be a straight red
It's really much worse than diving. Nobody's going to injure an opponent with a dive.
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It wasn't a red card challenge by Landsbury, but it was pointless and stupid and gave the ref a chance to even things up. Gotta hate inconsistency from refs.
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Only we get a player sent off for that type of foul.
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In answer to the title thread, never.
Or at least seriously not this year which I reckon will be a disaster for our "engine."
Our play was as pedestrian as it was last year. If Boro had kept 11 on I think we'd have struggled to have got a shot on target. We move the ball so slowly and it does seem we're not for a prolonged stay at this level like so many other clubs unless the owner rolls the dice in the next week or so.
It's got to that stage for me. We still can't win away and we're regularly drawing home games so same as last year and we were miles off the pace then.
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I thought we were unlucky tonight. We dominated the game specially after Lansbury was sent off. I can not blame Bruce for not winning. Watching the game I am not sure how it ended 0-0. I am sure stats will show that we had enough control to win two matched let alone one. Terrible night weather wise but nice and warm now.
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Just heard Bruce on WM. He said we played against ten men for 40 minutes. It was 60, you bull shitter.
He also said the fans reaction was hysterical. What a wanker.
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Just seen Bruce. Keeps saying we have the makings of a good team but we rarely field the same team for two games. What is our best team Brucie? Maybe a little unlucky tonight but you could argue the first half was wasted by ploughing on with the starting formation.
We don't have the makings of a good football team though. It's a myth or a fantasy, like last season the ongoing claim that we were just about to gub someone good and proper. It's what we'd like to happen but ojectively, take a look at our performances for the last 40 or so games, by and large they are huff and puff with very little skill or guile on show.
We are bang average, have overpaid massively throughout the squad, as per usual and year on year the genuine quality is getting lower.
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I thought we were unlucky tonight. We dominated the game specially after Lansbury was sent off. I can not blame Bruce for not winning. Watching the game I am not sure how it ended 0-0. I am sure stats will show that we had enough control to win two matched let alone one. Terrible night weather wise but nice and warm now.
Tonight is a consequence of everything else that's happened, it's why managers/clubs go into a death spiral. Once the players stop believing that they will win they start snatching at chances.
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I will say irrespective of whether the red card was deserved Lansbury has been absolutely awful since he came to Villa. I can remember one decent half and that was his debut I think.
He was charging around like a demented maniac tonight, constantly sliding into challenges all the time. It was a million miles away from the cultured midfielder on his debut. Big worry if his head is gone from not playing much.
Challenge was stupid aswell as Boro were hardly crossing the halfway line so I'd have just let that attack go as I imagine it would've fizzled out like the others.
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Just heard Bruce on WM. He said we played against ten men for 40 minutes. It was 60, you bull shitter.
He also said the fans reaction was hysterical. What a wanker.
If he said that then he really is a ******.
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Never a red. I can't remember when i last saw a red card given for a cynical foul like that so far out.
As for the game, would have won it had it not been for snodgrasss trying to break the net and Hogan thinking he was a defender. Maybe Bruce should have thrown on Adoma just after they went down to ten men? All in all, frustrating.
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It's not going to happen here for Hogan btw. The block of the shot on the line was unfortunate.
What hacked me off more is constantly being told he needs crosses and he will score. Second half we finally get a decent cross into the box that cuts out the defenders, he's unmarked six yards out and completely misses his kick.
He's just a luckless forward and not a very good one everytime I watch him live.
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I can't comment on how we played and it's a shit result in the circumstances
But it did sound like we could have easily had three or four today
We really couldn't have.
Well as I say above we hit the bar, hit our own man on the line, Bjarnason missed a sitter, hogan missed a sitter?
I was one of the very last defenders of Lambert on this site so I know how you feel, but I really think you're backing the wrong mule here.
I'm not a big fan of Bruce and his style of play
If there's a better option I'm up for it
I'm not sure who that is at the moment
And I'm not blaming Bruce for Lansbury being an idiot, or us missing some absolute sitters
Sky, the E&S, Mail and other sources all say we missed a catalogue of chances. I'll watch the highlights in a bit and make my own mind up
To be honest I'm partly just reacting against the match thread which was just preposterous
Creating chances is the absolute minimum in a home game against a team that has ten men for practically the home game.
As soon as the red happened I settled down and thought surely we can squeeze out a comfortable 2-0 win.
Never fails to cease me how much lower we can sink in standards.
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Whoever scouted Bjarnason should be sacked immediately. He isn't a footballer, he's just a bloke in a football kit.
Skit - Icelandic for shit . That's what I was googling in the first half !
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Championship for years then..
Yes, Bruce should have gone preseason, there was nothing last season to suggest we would mount a challenge under him this season. Inconsistent, terrible scoring record, couldn't get on top of so called lesser teams.
We spent the pre season suring up the Defence and Centre Mid, when our biggest problem was the lack of pace in the team and ability to break down the opposition. Terrible management.
This season can still be salvaged.
I don't see teams running away with it like Brighton and Newcastle did last year, Cardiff lost 3-0 tonight and can't see them being top 2.
Needs to be done quick though as we have a tough run of games in October for the level we've shown so far this season.
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Just heard Bruce on WM. He said we played against ten men for 40 minutes. It was 60, you bull shitter.
He also said the fans reaction was hysterical. What a wanker.
If he said that then he really is a c***.
He is struggling with his times at the moment, minutes and months
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We are a step closer to Bruce leaving and hopefully putting end to this former Birmingham and West Brom recruitment spell we have been going through.
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It's not going to happen here for Hogan btw. The block of the shot on the line was unfortunate.
What hacked me off more is constantly being told he needs crosses and he will score. Second half we finally get a decent cross into the box that cuts out the defenders, he's unmarked six yards out and completely misses his kick.
He's just a luckless forward and not a very good one everytime I watch him live.
He doesn't thrive on crosses, it's through balls that he needs and which he will never get with us for a good while yet.
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20 attempts on target tonight, 7 clear cut ones. Should have had 3 or 4 against Brentford on Saturday. Only been here 6 months, no wait 9 months, make that 10. Bruce has lost it. The pressure has got to him.
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20 attempts on target tonight, 7 clear cut ones. Should have had 3 or 4 against Brentford on Saturday. Only been here 6 months, no wait 9 months, make that 10. Bruce has lost it. The pressure has got to him.
Oh, And we are all hysterical, apparently!
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I just arrived in Dronten (back end of nowhere in the Netherlands) after two cancelled flights, a delayed third flight, and problems on the train line only to find the event I am attending tomorrow is cancelled due to a storm and that there is no place to get a beer where I am staying.
Looks like I had a far better time today than the poor sods that went down the Villa.
Time for Bruce to go.
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I thought it was much better tonight, 2nd half in particular, with any element of luck we would have won that game. Enjoyable night for a change down there. Roll on Saturday.
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If there's a more frustrating team to watch in the country, I'd like (well probably not) to see them. Argh!!!!!!!
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If there's a more frustrating team to watch in the country, I'd like (well probably not) to see them. Argh!!!!!!!
Sunderland, they're shit too. Really shit. A lot like us over the past 7 years. Our mutant twin brother club.
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RDM was sacked for far far less than Bruce has under-achieved. Under RDM the football was much more entertaining and attacking and we were way more unlucky with missed chances and late concessions than Bruce has ever been. If it was no excuse for RDM it should certainly be no excuse for Terry Fuckwit. I just don't see any justification for Bruce still being here. His bullshit excuses are getting ever more desperate and grating as well, surely the sign of a man who knows he's on dodgy ground and is feeling the pressure.
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We are a step closer to Bruce leaving and hopefully putting end to this former Birmingham and West Brom recruitment spell we have been going through.
Where they have been before is irrelevant. As Peter Withe and BFR can be used to testify. Oh and Ugo.
I'd have no problem recruiting Hodgson or Hughton in our current predicament - although they would.
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If there's a more frustrating team to watch in the country, I'd like (well probably not) to see them. Argh!!!!!!!
Sunderland, they're shit too. Really shit. A lot like us over the past 7 years. Our mutant twin brother club.
They haven't won a home game in 2017 bless 'em. We're going to have a serious shit off between us this season.
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If there's a more frustrating team to watch in the country, I'd like (well probably not) to see them. Argh!!!!!!!
Just seen the Hogan block , oh my days that would have been sublime if he was meant to be defending
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Well it wasn't as bad as Saturday.
First half the usual pedestrian rubbish, second half far better with a bit of pace and width. On another night we could have scored a hatful. The big let down was the delivery from wide, utterly abysmal all night
However, for a team assembled at this kind of expense to be playing better with a seemingly random formation and with a man down doesn't give you much confidence in the manager.
And that was never more than a yellow for Lansbury as long as I have a hole in my arse.
MOM Adomah.
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A few thoughts.....
We now know why Adama almost never attempted a tackle whilst he was at Villa.
Why did Boro go so negative when down to 10. They were only playing Villa after all.
The Lansbury foul is only ever a yellow.
The Hogan block was an absolute classic.
Keenan looked far better in the few minutes that he played wide in a front three than he did as the target man.
Elmo is a better central midfielder than he is a right back.
Albert is a better winger than Snodders or Elmo
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5 unbeaten, we're on a roll!!
now with added clean sheets
What's not to like
'Clean sheets' something when watching the Villa the last few years you can count on.
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That Hogan clearance is on a par with Richards stopping us scoring with his ear against Sunderland.
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Lansbury is a fucking awful player. What does he contribute?
He's fucking shit, and even having Bjarnason - who is so awful, he's surely not a footballer by trade - in the same side fails to make him look any better by comparison.
Lansbury should be driving a van for a living.
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Why did Boro go so negative when down to 10. They were only playing Villa after all.
Elmo is a better central midfielder than he is a right back.
Albert is a better winger than Snodders or Elmo
Boro were even more negative at 10 each.
Agree with the other two comments. Elmo was more effective in distribution in middle however that resulted in Adomah moving to RB and that was not good.
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Went out after the game and only just got back in. Firstly, we did have enough good chances to win and I thought Lansbury was definitely brought down by their keeper in the first half and we should have had a penalty. On the subject of Lansbury, I thought the red was justified - a wild, high kick from behind is going to get a red more often than not in the current climate.
On to the game and another really disappointing showing really. Scrappy, shapeless performance and the deliveries in the final third were terrible, agree with the comments about Lansbury, he offers very little and as much as I want him to do well, I just think Hogan isn't going to work out. I feel for the guy, but Bjarnason was terrible tonight.
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I almost feel sorry for Bruce tonight but his team selection, tactics and stupidity during the game cancel any sympathy.
First he puts Elmo at right back, a position he's played before under Bruce at Hull - and was shit. After the sending off, Elmo had nothing to do, nobody to mark, just tonnes of open space in front of him. Did he use it? Did he fuck. It was only midway through the second half where it appeared somebody had changed his batteries that he actually started moving, attacking and making himself useful.
Adomah comes on and starts to open up the left side combining well with Taylor, so what does Bruce do, switches him to bloody right back. We have three right backs plus Elmo in the squad and he plays Adomah there. That makes even less sense than when he played James Chester there the other week.
What was greatly disappointing was how half arsed the players were. No fighting for 50/50s, safe and negative passing, only Snodgrass looked like he cared and was up for the fight. Fortunately Boro having seen our team on paper must have thought we were better than we are as they offered little threat or intention other than to waste time.
11 months on, another game down the drain and I still can't work out what Bruce is trying to do. He may claim we were unlucky tonight but what he should remember you also create your own luck. The only thing he's creating is an easy decision for the board to kick his arse down Witton Lane.
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Lansbury is a fucking awful player. What does he contribute?
He's fucking shit, and even having Bjarnason - who is so awful, he's surely not a footballer by trade - in the same side fails to make him look any better by comparison.
Lansbury should be driving a van for a living.
A slow, shit van at that. And Bjarnasson isn't good enough to clean it - he's an absolutely awful, awful player.
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That was shambolic, what a waste of time. We never looked like scoring, despite them being down to ten men from the 3rd minute onwards. The whole side was odd. A very defence minded left side (Taylor & Thor) and a non defence minded right (Elmo and Snodders); no balance. Why didn't we attack more on the right? We all know Downing can't tackle. Taylor sees far too much of the ball and has no right foot. Their right back frequently invited him inside, knowing he'd lose it on his own. Jedinak looked well off the pace and his radar was awry.
Christ alone knows what was going on Angela's head. I can only think he was frustrated, especially by the previous attack failing. Yes, Boro time wasted, of course they would. But he should have let their attack peter out in to nothing. If Ang hadn't been sent off, Snodgrass was well up for it.
Am I right in thinking that John Terry is playing in his preferred position and that Chester is accommodating that? If so, it has to change immediately as that was possibly Chester's worst Villa match.
Hourihane looked good and Johnstone made some more important saves. The rest were meh (at best). Shite ref and it pissed it down!
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I almost feel sorry for Bruce tonight but his team selection, tactics and stupidity during the game cancel any sympathy.
First he puts Elmo at right back, a position he's played before under Bruce at Hull - and was shit. After the sending off, Elmo had nothing to do, nobody to mark, just tonnes of open space in front of him. Did he use it? Did he fuck. It was only midway through the second half where it appeared somebody had changed his batteries that he actually started moving, attacking and making himself useful.
Adomah comes on and starts to open up the left side combining well with Taylor, so what does Bruce do, switches him to bloody right back. We have three right backs plus Elmo in the squad and he plays Adomah there. That makes even less sense than when he played James Chester there the other week.
What was greatly disappointing was how half arsed the players were. No fighting for 50/50s, safe and negative passing, only Snodgrass looked like he cared and was up for the fight. Fortunately Boro having seen our team on paper must have thought we were better than we are as they offered little threat or intention other than to waste time.
11 months on, another game down the drain and I still can't work out what Bruce is trying to do. He may claim we were unlucky tonight but what he should remember you also create your own luck. The only thing he's creating is an easy decision for the board to kick his arse down Witton Lane.
It wasn't so much Elmohamady who could have gone off, it was Jedinak or Lansbury. We didn't really need a ldefensive midfielder after the red card, so he could have sacrificed one of those two and either brought on Adomah and moved Snodgrass more central or brought on Hogan or Kodjia to partner Davis. He waited until half time to make the change though.
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5 hour drive there and back 4 fighting kids running through the rain to just miss kick-off and sending off and no doubt a ticket from a parking firm for not paying at Tesco. Joy of joys...and to round it off no bonus villa reward points...bastards
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We need to get more song sheets on the big screens. How about 'My Old Man' and 'You're going home in a fucking ambulance'?
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Lansbury' contribution first half was okay. 2nd half very good actually, by that I mean him being sent off the team played much better.
Bruce actually did make some alterations during the game and we were a bit unlucky in the end but it was a game there for the taking. Another ref who thought we were there just to see him.
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How about: 'There's a circus in the town, in the town; Stevie Bruce is a clown, is a clown.......'.
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Something that really fucking winds me up, and perhaps it shouldn't, but fucking goalkeepers who take the goal kick from the opposite side of the six yard box to where the ball went out. Fucking c***s.
The Boro keeper did that numerous times.
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Tonight was different from Saturday
We dominated with 11, we dominated with 10. We created chances and contrived to spurn ones where it was harder to do anything other than score.
First half we moved it too slowly against a 5 man midfield with Fat Lad dropping in on Lansbury, but second half we carved them open more regularly with some width.
We should have scored. We should have won.
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Bjarnason isn't a winger or wide midfielder. At best he's an inside left, or someone who could play in the middle and get on to through balls. If we had anyone playing through balls that us. But he's utterly wasted right now and looks completely out of sorts. In fact all the players do.
And we are well on the way to ruining Snodgrass. Well fucking done Steve.
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Why are we ruining Snodgrass?
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Tonight was different from Saturday
We dominated with 11, we dominated with 10. We created chances and contrived to spurn ones where it was harder to do anything other than score.
Second half we moved it too slowly against a 5 man midfield with Fat Lad dropping in on Lansbury, but second half we carved them open more regularly with some width.
We should have scored. We should have won.
There is allways a good excuse why we didn't win, the trouble is you need one for almost every match.
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Thanks for that.
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Shoulda won, shoulda scored.
But we never do and the Bruce shitefest rolls into another soul destroying week.
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Disappointed to see Kodjia hasn't forgotten his awful habit of diving to try and win penalties. Feckin eejit.
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Since the first game of the season we've been saying "if only we'd..." or "if only we hadn't..." and here we are in Feb and it's still woulda coulda shoulda.
We played quite well, by our standards. Our passing was still pretty poor, we didn't create much as most of our best chances came from their fuck ups and freekicks. They were crap as well. Sums up our season overall, a crap side got a result against us and we top the Woulda Coulda Shoulda league.
We're still top of the woulda, coulda shoulda league. That's not a dig at anyone as we've all said it, but we've been saying it for over a year now.
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Brentford coulda, woulda, shoulda beat us on Saturday. At the end of the season you finish where you deserve. Under Bruce it was in the lower half and this season is bang on track for more of the same.
Points not excuses are needed.
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Aren't they the last words of a fool according to Beverly Knight.
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Why did we wait till second half to make any changes? Said to mate I was with that is have taken Barny straight off in minute 5 for Adomah/Hogan and give them something to think about early doors.
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Have just watched Hogan''s clearance again. It's enough to make you cry.
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Highlights here:
http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/competitions/championship/11032852/aston-villa-0-0-middlesbrough
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When Lansbury got sent off, I honestly think that if it was not for the crowd singing about Kodja, Bruce was going to bring on Whelan?
For me after half an hour he should of changed the team, it was obvious that we needed pace in the side and yet we waited until half time to make changes
With regards to the Icelandic lad - i thought we were signing a Des Bremner type of player instead we have got Rory Bremner, he is absolutely rubbish.
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I think it is difficult to blame the manager for the failings on the pitch last night. Tactically he about got it right with the half time substitutions and stretching the play. They tried but were not good enough [apart from Johnstone who made two very good saves again]
However where you can blame the manager is that most of the team that he had on that pitch were "his" team. "His" team weren't good enough to break down a determined [but ultimately limited] Boro team despite the huge amount poured into it.
individually, Davis played well without doing what strikers are ultimately meant to do, score. Hourihane drifted around and looked better on the left, Taylor is an out and out full back, his crossing proves that, and Snodgrass seems to be looking for the foul rather than stay on his feet.
As for Lansbury ... what a complete twunt ...
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Those highlights don't make it any easier. I watch Hourihane's shot thinking Hogan will move out the way this time.
You cannot completely dominate a game like that and be so profligate with better than good chances. Some absolute sitters missed.
Saturday we have Johnstone to thank for a point, last night Thor, Snodgrass and Boro's best defender, Hogan.
That's a penalty first half as well, Randolph foul's Lansbury. Never ever a red car either.
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Just heard Bruce on WM. He said we played against ten men for 40 minutes. It was 60, you bull shitter.
He also said the fans reaction was hysterical. What a wanker.
His first words were its never easy against ten men followed by the 40 mins bollocks
someone buy the cock a clock and a calendar
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Lansbury was a bellend for what he did but I thought if anything it was a yellow. Really harsh to give him a straight red and I think we should appeal it.
As for the game - frustrating as hell, we had enough chances to win 5 games but we just can't find the back of the net. I'm seriously pissed off with Bruce, and last night I wanted him out there and then but I've calmed down a bit now. He's got this month and that's it though. If we're still struggling by the start of October we should be looking for a new manager. I think we've suffered enough now.
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Just heard Bruce on WM. He said we played against ten men for 40 minutes. It was 60, you bull shitter.
He also said the fans reaction was hysterical. What a wanker.
His first words were its never easy against ten men followed by the 40 mins bollocks
someone buy the cock a clock and a calendar
I have a villa calendar he can have , I think it is Westwood this month
Oh the good old days 😞
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Lansbury was a bellend for what he did but I thought if anything it was a yellow. Really harsh to give him a straight red and I think we should appeal it.
As for the game - frustrating as hell, we had enough chances to win 5 games but we just can't find the back of the net. I'm seriously pissed off with Bruce, and last night I wanted him out there and then but I've calmed down a bit now. He's got this month and that's it though. If we're still struggling by the start of October we should be looking for a new manager. I think we've suffered enough now.
I hope we don't appeal it, he's shit.
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I hope we do appeal.
And lose, so his ban is extended.
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Lansbury was a bellend for what he did but I thought if anything it was a yellow. Really harsh to give him a straight red and I think we should appeal it.
As for the game - frustrating as hell, we had enough chances to win 5 games but we just can't find the back of the net. I'm seriously pissed off with Bruce, and last night I wanted him out there and then but I've calmed down a bit now. He's got this month and that's it though. If we're still struggling by the start of October we should be looking for a new manager. I think we've suffered enough now.
Pretty much agree and having Kodja back might save him but I think a defeat on Saturday and the pressure on the board to act will be huge.
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Lansbury was a bellend for what he did but I thought if anything it was a yellow. Really harsh to give him a straight red and I think we should appeal it.
As for the game - frustrating as hell, we had enough chances to win 5 games but we just can't find the back of the net. I'm seriously pissed off with Bruce, and last night I wanted him out there and then but I've calmed down a bit now. He's got this month and that's it though. If we're still struggling by the start of October we should be looking for a new manager. I think we've suffered enough now.
I think giving him to the end of the month is the right thing to do. Having Kodjia back might give the whole team a lift. I actually thought we were a little unlucky last night, especially with the sending off and Hogan's block on the line.
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We were unlucky in the Second Half. We never looked like threatening in the First Half though which is pretty shite against ten men.
Plenty of times Di Matteo Villa would play better than last night and fail to win, he still got sacked.
"Unlucky" is just the latest in a long line of excuses. For whatever reason, Bruce isn't delivering the results he was hired to obtain. Every league game sees the promotion contenders get further away.
He's had close on a year, and two transfer windows, to sort this shit out.
Forget waiting for October. That's just another few matches wasted. He's got to go. Now.
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The big chances came later in the games. The period after the sending off to HT was horrendous with a man advantage. We barely threatened their goal. Shit we barely threatened the edge of their penalty box.
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The only saving grace is that now we know what its like when a team puts 10 behind the ball :-X
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The big chances came later in the games. The period after the sending off to HT was horrendous with a man advantage. We barely threatened their goal. Shit we barely threatened the edge of their penalty box.
We still should have gone in one nil up and I think had a penalty too.
It was harder against 10 men that it would have been 11 given the way they retreated in a manner they would not have. They didn't have a forward for long periods of the game, but it was not until the second half and the switch that we made the pitch bigger and the gaps bigger too in order to create chances.
There were plenty of occasions where they had a flat back six. But you cannot miss chances as easy as we did and expect to win games. Its criminal that we have not won it.
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if he's still here at the end of the month and we are still misfiring in the league then the answer is clear - the Dr has given up and he's looking for an out.
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Just heard Bruce on WM. He said we played against ten men for 40 minutes. It was 60, you bull shitter.
He also said the fans reaction was hysterical. What a wanker.
His first words were its never easy against ten men followed by the 40 mins bollocks
someone buy the cock a clock and a calendar
Man city against Liverpool didnt have such problems on Saturday against 10 men. I saw the Sky analysis of Pep's tactics and basically he pushed his two wide men evn higher up the pitch to stretch their back four and it worked. In summary he reacted positively and City scored 4 goals against the 10 men
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I'm getting tired of people saying we have the best squad in the league. It's either deluded or arrogant, I'm not sure which.
We finished bottom half last season and are there again this season. Regardless of your thoughts on Bruce (and I want him sacked), we don't have the best squad in the league.
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we probably have some of the league's best players and manifestly Steve can't get them to play as a team
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Lansbury was a bellend for what he did but I thought if anything it was a yellow. Really harsh to give him a straight red and I think we should appeal it.
As for the game - frustrating as hell, we had enough chances to win 5 games but we just can't find the back of the net. I'm seriously pissed off with Bruce, and last night I wanted him out there and then but I've calmed down a bit now. He's got this month and that's it though. If we're still struggling by the start of October we should be looking for a new manager. I think we've suffered enough now.
I think giving him to the end of the month is the right thing to do. Having Kodjia back might give the whole team a lift. I actually thought we were a little unlucky last night, especially with the sending off and Hogan's block on the line.
I think that was the idea before Brentford, but if we lose to Barnsley it will be 2 points from the first 3 games, he would really need to win the other 3 to make it right and thats not going to happen after only winning 1 from 8 league games. After a Barnsley defeat it would be pointless hanging on any longer, once we're sure it's time to go we need to do it straight away. A promotion challenging team can't rely on 1-2 players to get them up, if the points tally is 1 per game when they're not in the team you won't have enough by the end of the season.
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Have just watched Hogan''s clearance again. It's enough to make you cry.
Hourinhane's reaction is comcial as well, he literally cant beleive it
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Have just watched Hogan''s clearance again. It's enough to make you cry.
Hourinhane's reaction is comcial as well, he literally cant beleive it
Obviously he was annoyed with himself in when faced with an empty goal he managed to hit a man on line.
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I'm getting tired of people saying we have the best squad in the league. It's either deluded or arrogant, I'm not sure which.
We finished bottom half last season and are there again this season. Regardless of your thoughts on Bruce (and I want him sacked), we don't have the best squad in the league.
On paper apparently whatever that means.
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Its not deluded, its not arrogant, its accurate. Its the best squad in the league. Its being woefully managed at present to limp along at quite literally half the points it ought to be picking up.
There are inferior sides above us. To bemoan the players, who have responsibility of course, is a tacit defence of the manager.
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Went out after the game and only just got back in. Firstly, we did have enough good chances to win and I thought Lansbury was definitely brought down by their keeper in the first half and we should have had a penalty. On the subject of Lansbury, I thought the red was justified - a wild, high kick from behind is going to get a red more often than not in the current climate.
On to the game and another really disappointing showing really. Scrappy, shapeless performance and the deliveries in the final third were terrible, agree with the comments about Lansbury, he offers very little and as much as I want him to do well, I just think Hogan isn't going to work out. I feel for the guy, but Bjarnason was terrible tonight.
He dived and should have been booked. If he had concentrated on chasing the loose ball we may well have scored.
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Just seen Bruce. Keeps saying we have the makings of a good team but we rarely field the same team for two games. What is our best team Brucie? Maybe a little unlucky tonight but you could argue the first half was wasted by ploughing on with the starting formation.
We don't have the makings of a good football team though. It's a myth or a fantasy, like last season the ongoing claim that we were just about to gub someone good and proper. It's what we'd like to happen but ojectively, take a look at our performances for the last 40 or so games, by and large they are huff and puff with very little skill or guile on show.
We are bang average, have overpaid massively throughout the squad, as per usual and year on year the genuine quality is getting lower.
you make a good point about the quality getting progressively lower. It's inevitable with our progressive decline. The last decent window we had, admittedly with the benefit of hindsight, was the one where we signed benteke. How long ago even was that? It's been dross ever since really. Kodjia signing being a notable exception. Thing is you never know at the time how the signings will pan out. I'll admit to being optimistic a few times when we've signed a few players during a window, only for it to go to shit.
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I was impressed with the team post Lansbury sending off. Having witnessed the Brentford shambles I thought with Boro gaining new energy from the incident we would collapse and lose the game. The fact that we went on to dominate and should have won points towards good players that just need a better manager.
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Ads is right, we have a squad that has loads of players pretty much every other side in the division would love to be able to afford to sign. That they are underperforming so much is primarily down to poor tactics and negativity from the manager and crap coaching, which in turn takes confidence out of the players, imo.
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Its not deluded, its not arrogant, its accurate. Its the best squad in the league. Its being woefully managed at present to limp along at quite literally half the points it ought to be picking up.
Completely agree.
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Our first half performance and shape last night sums us up under Bruce unfortunately. Too safe and too passive.
41 games and I don't think he's found a formation that works for us. He's dabbled with three at the back, but in the main it's been variations on 4-5-1. Last night he had Davis isolated and Bjarnason and Snodgrass incredibly wide. I haven't got an issue, if he wants to play this way as long as his central players know what they are doing and what they are expected to do.
We played 40 odd minutes of a first half against 10 men and the shape didn't change once. Lansbury sat deep as a central lying midfielder alongside Jedinak and every attack started slowly, allowed them to get set and inevitably the ball either went long or it went wide and was blocked and cleared.
Not once did Hourihane or Lansbury go and play alongside Davis and try and give them something to think about.
To be fair to Bruce he might the right changes at half time and we should have comfortably won the game.
For me, if he is on the brink, have a go on Saturday, play someone right up with a striker and quicken the tempo. At least try and force some of these piss pot teams back. No wonder we've scored so few goals under him.
As a side note. Snodgrass was comfortably our best player last night. The two full backs both can't cross it. Lansbury was utterly abysmal and Bjarnason is just not a footballer.
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I think we were a bit unlucky last night. We wasted the first half, but then went positive for the second half and Snodgrass and Hourihane really should have scored (though Hourihane's was not his fault).
Still don't think we are playing as well as we should be or that Bruce is the right man, as we are too slow and pedestrian. A more proactive manager also would have gone more attacking earlier rather than thinking 'right, 0-0 at HT will be ok'.
He either beats Barnsley or goes for me, draws are no good at all.
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I also believe that as pro footballers I know we say it's Steve Bruce fault the way he sets us up or tactics or coaching but they are grown men of experience not some young naive Nineteen year old who has never played the game before so if they see things are not working on the pitch they have the intelligence to change things to make the game better Bruce can give you orders but when I was playing semi pro football albeit a long time I didn't always listen to my manager if something needed changing I did it on the pitch and never got hooked and most times it worked so why can't our players as professionals do the same he can't take everyone off and it just might work if they use there initiative.
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Its not deluded, its not arrogant, its accurate. Its the best squad in the league. Its being woefully managed at present to limp along at quite literally half the points it ought to be picking up.
Completely agree.
100%
Plus if villa had handing out 4 to 5 nil drubbings of some teams we've played so far it wouldn't be seen as a surprise . Not saying mass beatings expected but big victories should not be surprising due to the squad !
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Went out after the game and only just got back in. Firstly, we did have enough good chances to win and I thought Lansbury was definitely brought down by their keeper in the first half and we should have had a penalty. On the subject of Lansbury, I thought the red was justified - a wild, high kick from behind is going to get a red more often than not in the current climate.
On to the game and another really disappointing showing really. Scrappy, shapeless performance and the deliveries in the final third were terrible, agree with the comments about Lansbury, he offers very little and as much as I want him to do well, I just think Hogan isn't going to work out. I feel for the guy, but Bjarnason was terrible tonight.
He dived and should have been booked. If he had concentrated on chasing the loose ball we may well have scored.
I was sat behind the goal in he North Stand and although he made the most of it, it definitely looked like he got caught.
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It was never a red card for Lansbury at least Bruce was right about that . Having heard his interview he's not becoming reactive and defensive to the critics . I think Bruce needs to concentrate on his job .
'played 40 minutes against 10 mens '
'The boring tag '
'off with his head'
'Too negative' (in sarcastic tone)
Bruce says without any conviction (and interesting choices of words )
'Mass hysteria doesn't take long look we've had 'a disappointing start there's signs we re not far off a very decent side in this championship believe me it'll turn we have to be patient and I hope others are'
Win next 6 Bruce and may give you that but it's not hysteria since it wasn't surprising could not take lead and capitalise to advantage against 10 players .
Had a chance early on after traore madness to make comfortable night but alas frustration is understatement.
Great positive Kodija is back. Also adomah playing on left was good providing something i now though wonder which new team and line up will be put out Saturday .
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I'm getting tired of people saying we have the best squad in the league. It's either deluded or arrogant, I'm not sure which.
We finished bottom half last season and are there again this season. Regardless of your thoughts on Bruce (and I want him sacked), we don't have the best squad in the league.
On paper apparently whatever that means.
It means that if you looked solely at the names in the squad on the back of the programme, you would think it looks a pretty strong collection of players. It is the inability to organise those players into anything resembling a coherent system that is the problem.
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Please. Make. It. Stop.
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In defence of Traore, that might well have been the first tackle that I've ever seen him attempt
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It means that if you looked solely at the names in the squad on the back of the programme, you would think it looks a pretty strong collection of players. It is the inability to organise those players into anything resembling a coherent system that is the problem.
Are they really though? If the market is a fair indicator of value, then look at what we paid for the squad last night......
Johnstone; = loanee
Elmohamady = free
Chester = £6M?
Terry, = free
Taylor; = £1.5M?
Jedinak = £6M?
(Hogan 45) = £12M?,
Hourihane, = £1M?
Lansbury; = £1M?
Snodgrass, = loanee
Davis = came through ranks; free
(Kodjia 70), = £16M?
Bjarnason = £1.5M?
(Adomah 45) = free? Swap with Traore.
Unused subs:
Steer = free
Samba, = free
Whelan = not sure, but £1.5M?
Hutton = no comment.
Thing that jumps out is how unbalanced it is. £28M on a forward line that doesn't score enough. Being supplied by a midfield that cost peanuts?
No argument from me however in the fact that Bruce doesn't know how to set them up, deploy them in a workable formation etc.
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It means that if you looked solely at the names in the squad on the back of the programme, you would think it looks a pretty strong collection of players. It is the inability to organise those players into anything resembling a coherent system that is the problem.
Are they really though? If the market is a fair indicator of value, then look at what we paid for the squad last night......
Johnstone; = loanee
Elmohamady = free
Chester = £6M?
Terry, = free
Taylor; = £1.5M?
Jedinak = £6M?
(Hogan 45) = £12M?,
Hourihane, = £1M?
Lansbury; = £1M?
Snodgrass, = loanee
Davis = came through ranks; free
(Kodjia 70), = £16M?
Bjarnason = £1.5M?
(Adomah 45) = free? Swap with Traore.
Unused subs:
Steer = free
Samba, = free
Whelan = not sure, but £1.5M?
Hutton = no comment.
Thing that jumps out is how unbalanced it is. £28M on a forward line that doesn't score enough. Being supplied by a midfield that cost peanuts?
No argument from me however in the fact that Bruce doesn't know how to set them up, deploy them in a workable formation etc.
Good points. You forgot to mention McCormack. That's another 12 million. So that's 40 million pounds worth of strikers being supplied by a midfield that cost peanuts. It doesn't seem like a recipe for success does it?
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The peanuts argument only came about because the players - Hourihane and Lansbury were reaching the end of their deals at the previous clubs so we capitalised. And Snodgrass was a £7.5m signing last January wasn't he
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The peanuts argument only came about because the players - Hourihane and Lansbury were reaching the end of their deals at the previous clubs so we capitalised. And Snodgrass was a £7.5m signing last January wasn't he
Yeah, it's really quite disingenuous - Snodgrass and Onomah are two quality loanees; nor can you say Adomah was "free", since we gave up an actual asset in Adama for him.
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To traumatised to read previous comments so apologies if this has been covered previously.
As a given we should be playing two up front at home in this league, on the front foot and pressing teams two thirds up the field.
So, after five minutes 'boro are down to ten men. At this point I would have hauled off a defender and put two up top, that would then have ensured that all 'boro could hope for was a draw as they would have had to keep a back four. However our manager and staff do absolutely nothing and played safe thus handing the initiative to Monk, who went three at the back just marking Davis and maintained their midfield numbers.
Then after 45 minutes he makes the change he should have made 40 minutes earlier.
The guy has used up all his goodwill, I like him but once again he seems overwhelmed by the size of the task as have other managers. Who do we appoint next? does it matter could they do any worse with the best squad in the division. The entertainment value in the first half was as bad as it gets, if we went out to play the whole game, like we did in the second half and drew, then we could put it down to bad luck, as it is it was more inept management.
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I was sat behind the goal in he North Stand and although he made the most of it, it definitely looked like he got caught.
Tom to an extent I agree with you we have seen em given. I also saw it from middle of upper North and he put his feet in to the GK who had moved to clear his save. His problem was that it was clearly seen by the ref. If it had been on the other side with GK's back to the ref it would have been given.
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Except there's some twisting involved in those values.
Adomah wasn't free, he was valued at something like £6m
Snodgrass is on loan but he was a £10m player a few months ago
Lansbury and Hourihane were in the last few months of their contracts so we paid a fraction of their market value.
The truth is that we put out a midfield (starters and subs) last night which has a market value of something around £30m
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Are the Icelandic chap and Lansbury actually footballers? I wonder if they are actually models from some trendy young persons casual clothing company (Urban Outfitter?) who modelled their sports range because they look a bit like footballers with the hair, facial hair, tattoos etc, they sure as hell aren't actual footballers.
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Urban Outfitter is the shop which sells said clothes.
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I think we were a bit unlucky last night.
Don't bring me good generals, bring me lucky ones. Or something
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It means that if you looked solely at the names in the squad on the back of the programme, you would think it looks a pretty strong collection of players. It is the inability to organise those players into anything resembling a coherent system that is the problem.
Are they really though? If the market is a fair indicator of value, then look at what we paid for the squad last night......
Johnstone; = loanee
Elmohamady = free
Chester = £6M?
Terry, = free
Taylor; = £1.5M?
Jedinak = £6M?
(Hogan 45) = £12M?,
Hourihane, = £1M?
Lansbury; = £1M?
Snodgrass, = loanee
Davis = came through ranks; free
(Kodjia 70), = £16M?
Bjarnason = £1.5M?
(Adomah 45) = free? Swap with Traore.
Unused subs:
Steer = free
Samba, = free
Whelan = not sure, but £1.5M?
Hutton = no comment.
Thing that jumps out is how unbalanced it is. £28M on a forward line that doesn't score enough. Being supplied by a midfield that cost peanuts?
No argument from me however in the fact that Bruce doesn't know how to set them up, deploy them in a workable formation etc.
Agree about that. Whichever formation we set up in, there are clear weaknesses somewhere on the pitch. Whelan and Jedinak are too slow to play in a 4-4-2; Hogan and Kodjia can't really play alone up front so any formation involving a lone striker relies heavily on Davis; we don't really have the left sided centre back option to play 3 at the back and so on. It goes back to an apparent lack of planning and clear vision of how we are going to play.
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I'm getting tired of people saying we have the best squad in the league. It's either deluded or arrogant, I'm not sure which.
We finished bottom half last season and are there again this season. Regardless of your thoughts on Bruce (and I want him sacked), we don't have the best squad in the league.
I completely agree; with the possible exceptions of Terry, Kodija and (emerging) Johnstone we have a squad of players who are generally no better than mediocre and in most cases are simply poor.
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I agree we seem unbalanced,but it's still a squad full of players that would stroll into pretty much every other starting 11, or at least squad, in the division. Even Hutton, easily better than anyone else's 3rd choice full back. Gabby better than other teams 4 choice striker and so on. I've said it before, our problem is we are a bunch of talented (for this division) individuals, but not a talented team. And for me that is down to the manager and coaches.
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I'm getting tired of people saying we have the best squad in the league. It's either deluded or arrogant, I'm not sure which.
We finished bottom half last season and are there again this season. Regardless of your thoughts on Bruce (and I want him sacked), we don't have the best squad in the league.
I completely agree; with the possible exceptions of Terry, Kodija and (emerging) Johnstone we have a squad of players who are generally no better than mediocre and in most cases are simply poor.
That's judging it by the standard of players we're used to over the years I reckon, rather than the standard of other squads in division 2.
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I'm getting tired of people saying we have the best squad in the league. It's either deluded or arrogant, I'm not sure which.
We finished bottom half last season and are there again this season. Regardless of your thoughts on Bruce (and I want him sacked), we don't have the best squad in the league.
On paper apparently whatever that means.
Well I'm pretty sure someone said over the weekend that 10 different players have scored for Leeds so far this season. I would argue they must have a far better squad.
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I'm getting tired of people saying we have the best squad in the league. It's either deluded or arrogant, I'm not sure which.
We finished bottom half last season and are there again this season. Regardless of your thoughts on Bruce (and I want him sacked), we don't have the best squad in the league.
I completely agree; with the possible exceptions of Terry, Kodija and (emerging) Johnstone we have a squad of players who are generally no better than mediocre and in most cases are simply poor.
That's judging it by the standard of players we're used to over the years I reckon, rather than the standard of other squads in division 2.
I'm judging it by the standard of the other teams in the division we are in now.
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Who is Leeds 3rd choice striker? Who is Cardiff's back up RB, and how do they compare to ours? Who has a better CB than Chester, striker than Kod, LB than Taylor, keeper than Johnstone and so on. Individually our squad is a match for anyones, but we're currently significantly less than the sum of our parts and it comes back to Bruce and the coaches imo.
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I agree we seem unbalanced,but it's still a squad full of players that would stroll into pretty much every other starting 11, or at least squad, in the division. Even Hutton, easily better than anyone else's 3rd choice full back. Gabby better than other teams 4 choice striker and so on. I've said it before, our problem is we are a bunch of talented (for this division) individuals, but not a talented team. And for me that is down to the manager and coaches.
Spot on PWS.
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I agree we seem unbalanced,but it's still a squad full of players that would stroll into pretty much every other starting 11, or at least squad, in the division. Even Hutton, easily better than anyone else's 3rd choice full back. Gabby better than other teams 4 choice striker and so on. I've said it before, our problem is we are a bunch of talented (for this division) individuals, but not a talented team. And for me that is down to the manager and coaches.
On the basis that Elmo started at RB last night, I think that Hutton is 4th choice and Richards is 5th choice
How many other squads have a specialist as 4th choice in any position ? There's not even a 4th choice keeper in 1st team squads
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I also believe that as pro footballers I know we say it's Steve Bruce fault the way he sets us up or tactics or coaching but they are grown men of experience not some young naive Nineteen year old who has never played the game before so if they see things are not working on the pitch they have the intelligence to change things to make the game better Bruce can give you orders but when I was playing semi pro football albeit a long time I didn't always listen to my manager if something needed changing I did it on the pitch and never got hooked and most times it worked so why can't our players as professionals do the same he can't take everyone off and it just might work if they use there initiative.
Good point and agree with you, Darren. We have a team full of 'leaders' but nobody is leading. We have a team full of talent but they're all waiting for somebody else to take the initiative. Only Snodgrass looked like he wanted to drive us forward. How often do we see a player run with the ball, it's always about playing the safest ball rather than getting the opposition on the back foot. Kodja can also do it but he's normally playing for himself.
We don't know if it's down to the players laziness to take the game to the opposition or they're under strict instructions from Bruce not to give the ball away but by god, it's dull and pointless.
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Who is Leeds 3rd choice striker? Who is Cardiff's back up RB, and how do they compare to ours? Who has a better CB than Chester, striker than Kod, LB than Taylor, keeper than Johnstone and so on. Individually our squad is a match for anyones, but we're currently significantly less than the sum of our parts and it comes back to Bruce and the coaches imo.
Yes, yes and thrice yes.
The idea that this squad isn't strong enough for the top two is quite incredible.
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Who is Leeds 3rd choice striker? Who is Cardiff's back up RB, and how do they compare to ours? Who has a better CB than Chester, striker than Kod, LB than Taylor, keeper than Johnstone and so on. Individually our squad is a match for anyones, but we're currently significantly less than the sum of our parts and it comes back to Bruce and the coaches imo.
Yes, yes and thrice yes.
The idea that this squad isn't strong enough for the top two is quite incredible.
So you think it is the Managers fault?
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The peanuts argument only came about because the players - Hourihane and Lansbury were reaching the end of their deals at the previous clubs so we capitalised. And Snodgrass was a £7.5m signing last January wasn't he
Yeah, it's really quite disingenuous - Snodgrass and Onomah are two quality loanees; nor can you say Adomah was "free", since we gave up an actual asset in Adama for him.
Sorry to single out your quote, but I'm sick and tired of hearing that this is the best squad in the league. The midfield is woeful, we lack pace and the forward line is totally disjointed.
Bruce has contributed to that but its a mistake to believe a new manager can come in and easily sort out the shambles
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On holiday and I got lucky last night. Not like that though. ;)
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I'm getting tired of people saying we have the best squad in the league. It's either deluded or arrogant, I'm not sure which.
We finished bottom half last season and are there again this season. Regardless of your thoughts on Bruce (and I want him sacked), we don't have the best squad in the league.
I disagree. We used to have one of the highest performing fraud departments at any insurance company. We are fighting to get back there. But 3 years of reporting to a clown who doesn't understand it. Who wants everything done on the cheap. And who cannot discern between spending most of your day investigating six figure claims versus accidentally damaged TV's?
It doesn't matter how many people you have our rivals are head hunting if the boss wants them cleaning the toilets.
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Which side in this division has a better player for player squad? Which side has better than Johnstone, Terry, Adomah, Kod, Chester, Taylor, Hotlips, Snodgrass, Onomah etc. Which club has a better 3rd, or even 4th choice RB than Hutton? Or a better 4th choice striker than Gabby. Better 4th choice CB than Elphick. And so on.
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Who is Leeds 3rd choice striker? Who is Cardiff's back up RB, and how do they compare to ours? Who has a better CB than Chester, striker than Kod, LB than Taylor, keeper than Johnstone and so on. Individually our squad is a match for anyones, but we're currently significantly less than the sum of our parts and it comes back to Bruce and the coaches imo.
Yes, yes and thrice yes.
The idea that this squad isn't strong enough for the top two is quite incredible.
So you think it is the Managers fault?
What do you think?
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I think some people vastly overate some of our squad. Boro spent 50m this summer apparently, just because i don't know their players it doesn't mean they aren't better than ours
I suspected straight off that Terry, Whelan and Elmo wouldn't look world beaters at this level as so it is. We'd have been just as well off getting in a few younger players on far less wages
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It also means you don't know if they're any better than ours.
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And I think some people vastly underrate our squad because we're underperforming so badly. If we're such an average squad why do people struggle to say who has better? And that's kind of the point, you don't need to a world beater at this level, ideally better than most of the rest but have a manager that knows what he's doing. How many world beaters did Huddersfield have? Put Wagner in charge of us last season and Bruce in charge of them, who would you be betting on finishing higher?
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And I think some people vastly underrate our squad because we're underperforming so badly. If we're such an average squad why do people struggle to say who has better? And that's kind of the point, you don't need to a world beater at this level, ideally better than most of the rest but have a manager that knows what he's doing. How many world beaters did Huddersfield have? Put Wagner in charge of us last season and Bruce in charge of them, who would you be betting on finishing higher?
And that is the rub isn't it. I wouldn't have a single Cardiff player ahead of ours but they are 9 points in front.
Years ago I set up our Recovery unit at work. They are employed to get back money others owe us. It hasn't changed loads since I started it but now they are held up as an example of a high performing team in the business. Why?
Because subsequent managers took a good idea, added their own stamp and it went from strength to strength. In football terms think Swansea or Southampton.
It would be like someone taking over investigations and saying "I don't do planning investigations. I just want you to shout a lot". And that is where we are in Villa management currently.
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I'm glad we're appealing Lansbury's sending off because it was complete bollocks. It was a yellow card and nothing else, but it just looked like the ref was determined to even up the red card count. Also I always thought players' gesturing for red cards was frowned upon in this country but obviously not considering nothing's been mentioned regarding the 'Boro players waving imaginary cards in the air. Wankers.
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Lots of insurance metaphors, come on, has it come to this?
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Lansbury did not trip the player, he raked his studs down his calf. Was a sending off I'm afraid. And fair play to Bruce very gentlemany to also play with 10 men in the first half by picking Bjork. What a shocking footballer.
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I'm with you SH, never a sending off.
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I'm glad we're appealing Lansbury's sending off because it was complete bollocks. It was a yellow card and nothing else, but it just looked like the ref was determined to even up the red card count. Also I always thought players' gesturing for red cards was frowned upon in this country but obviously not considering nothing's been mentioned regarding the 'Boro players waving imaginary cards in the air. Wankers.
Lansbury had already been booked earlier in the match, so saying the ref was just evening up with the red card is wrong. He could have just showed him the 2nd yellow if that was the case, and I doubt anyone could genuinely argue that Lansbury's challenge at the very least didn't deserve a yellow card.
I for one would love to see those sort of cheating, cynical challenges met with a straight red everytime. For way too long, players have got away with "taking one for the team" and deliberately bringing down an attacking player knowing that the worst consequence is a yellow card.
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Snodgrass was booked in the first half, pretty sure Angie wasn't.
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Snodgrass was booked in the first half, pretty sure Angie wasn't.
I may be wrong on that, as I couldn't really tell from my position in the upper holte. Sky Sports News did say show the footage of the Lansbury sending off whilst saying "Lansbury, who was on a yellow card"
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Just checked Beeb and Sky and only Snodgrass was booked first half according to match reports and the live updates.
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"Only results matter"
3-0
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Apologies, wrong thread
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Just checked Beeb and Sky and only Snodgrass was booked first half according to match reports and the live updates.
Fair enough then. My eyesight might need looking into ;D (and the reporters at Sky Sports by the looks of it)
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Surprised more hasn't been made of Snodgrass's miss, that was a total sitter in my book. Randolph parries it out to him and he's six yards out and central.
Went for the glory finish and that also cost us two points.
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Which side in this division has a better player for player squad? Which side has better than Johnstone, Terry, Adomah, Kod, Chester, Taylor, Hotlips, Snodgrass, Onomah etc. Which club has a better 3rd, or even 4th choice RB than Hutton? Or a better 4th choice striker than Gabby. Better 4th choice CB than Elphick. And so on.
Here lies the heart of the problem. We've bought our way into a proper conundrum. There has been no coherent plan regarding player purchases. ie: 3 right backs and 1 left back. A rag tag and bobtail collection of midfield players cherry picked from other championship clubs who Bruce is trying to shoe horn into his negative 4-5-1 system. Add to that a serious lack of pace in there and the prospect of automatic promotion looks like a pipe dream.
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Just checked Beeb and Sky and only Snodgrass was booked first half according to match reports and the live updates.
Fair enough then. My eyesight might need looking into ;D (and the reporters at Sky Sports by the looks of it)
It was a straight red by the looks of the match reports. Snodgrass was booked in the first half.
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I wish people would stop commenting on 451 as by definition negative
I think that this season the majority of sides in the league are playing one up front. Including all of the top three (?)
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I wish people would stop commenting on 451 as by definition negative
I think that this season the majority of sides in the league are playing one up front. Including all of the top three (?)
Playing one up front at home against Brentford isn't negative?
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I wish people would stop commenting on 451 as by definition negative
I think that this season the majority of sides in the league are playing one up front. Including all of the top three (?)
Playing one up front at home against Brentford isn't negative?
Not necessarily, Barcelona successfully played with none up front for a time.
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I wish people would stop commenting on 451 as by definition negative
I think that this season the majority of sides in the league are playing one up front. Including all of the top three (?)
Playing one up front at home against Brentford isn't negative?
Not necessarily, Barcelona successfully played with none up front for a time.
Not really, they played without a centre forward but with 2 wide forwards, which is slightly different.
On topic 451 is ok if you let the wingers or full backs and 1 of the midfielders get into the box. For us the system is more like a bowl with the wingers as wide as possible, 2 normal centre mids and a defensive mid which leaves the striker very isolated for large parts of the game. We've done it pretty much since Bruce arrived.
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I wish people would stop commenting on 451 as by definition negative
I think that this season the majority of sides in the league are playing one up front. Including all of the top three (?)
Playing one up front at home against Brentford isn't negative?
Not necessarily, Barcelona successfully played with none up front for a time.
We're not Barcelona though are we? Works great when you have players with fantastic movement, energy and ability. We possess none of those qualities.
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I wish people would stop commenting on 451 as by definition negative
I think that this season the majority of sides in the league are playing one up front. Including all of the top three (?)
Playing one up front at home against Brentford isn't negative?
Not necessarily, Barcelona successfully played with none up front for a time.
We're not Barcelona though are we? Works great when you have players with fantastic movement, energy and ability. We possess none of those qualities.
Just getting players into the right areas on the pitch would go a long way to fixing it and I think we might see a fair bit more ability than we expect if we did that.
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I wish people would stop commenting on 451 as by definition negative
I think that this season the majority of sides in the league are playing one up front. Including all of the top three (?)
4-5-1 doesn't have to be negative. I remember David Pleat's Spurs with just Clive Allen up and the likes of Hoddle, Waddle, Hodge and Clausen scoring plenty between them. There are plenty of other examples of teams playing an attacking 4-5-1 these days. It is just that we aren't one of those teams.
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I wish people would stop commenting on 451 as by definition negative
I think that this season the majority of sides in the league are playing one up front. Including all of the top three (?)
Playing one up front at home against Brentford isn't negative?
Not necessarily, Barcelona successfully played with none up front for a time.
Not really, they played without a centre forward but with 2 wide forwards, which is slightly different.
On topic 451 is ok if you let the wingers or full backs and 1 of the midfielders get into the box. For us the system is more like a bowl with the wingers as wide as possible, 2 normal centre mids and a defensive mid which leaves the striker very isolated for large parts of the game. We've done it pretty much since Bruce arrived.
I totally agree. 4-5-1 isn't necessarily negative but the way Bruce employs it it really is.
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Are we appealing the Lansbury red card in the hope his ban is increased?