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Title: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Legion on September 10, 2017, 12:30:46 PM
Factory of Sadness
Tuesday 12.9.17
19:45 KO

2-0 home win

0-1
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 10, 2017, 12:34:28 PM
2-0 Boro. Bruce's final game.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Comrade Blitz on September 10, 2017, 12:35:07 PM
Traore and Assombalonga had a great time yesterday v Bolton. 

0-3.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: levico on September 10, 2017, 12:49:01 PM
Might be embarrassing. 0-3.

Bye bye Brucie

Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: olaftab on September 10, 2017, 01:02:10 PM
I watched the Bolton Boro highlights. Bolton deserved something from that match and I doubt it if Adama is going to be that consistent so we will bore them into another 0-0.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on September 10, 2017, 01:03:13 PM
On Saturday, I mentioned to the bloke next to me that I'm working in Leeds at the moment, so wasn't sure if I'd make it to this. He said, "Leeds, what's that, an hour?". My quizzical look* then prompted him to elaborate on how he used to live in-between Sunderland and Middlesbrough, and the trip to VP was something he did in a little over two hours.

Can someone confirm these figures as possibly somewhat exaggerated, or am I really the world's slowest driver?

*on two occasions over the last couple or three months, the trip home has taken me in excess of four hours, thanks to motorway "incidents".
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Pete3206 on September 10, 2017, 01:05:06 PM
Everyone knows this is going to be more of the same shite. Goodnight Bruce.

0-2
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: olaftab on September 10, 2017, 01:08:17 PM
On Saturday, I mentioned to the bloke next to me that I'm working in Leeds at the moment, so wasn't sure if I'd make it to this. He said, "Leeds, what's that, an hour?". My quizzical look* then prompted him to elaborate on how he used to live in-between Sunderland and Middlesbrough, and the trip to VP was something he did in a little over two hours.

Can someone confirm these figures as possibly somewhat exaggerated, or am I really the world's slowest driver?

*on two occasions over the last couple or three months, the trip home has taken me in excess of four hours, thanks to motorway "incidents".
Yes 45 mins max.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: ez on September 10, 2017, 01:08:42 PM
0-2
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Richard E on September 10, 2017, 01:10:14 PM
I'm away on holiday for this one so it's a nailed on 6-0 home win performance of the millennium.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Villa in Denmark on September 10, 2017, 01:10:16 PM
On Saturday, I mentioned to the bloke next to me that I'm working in Leeds at the moment, so wasn't sure if I'd make it to this. He said, "Leeds, what's that, an hour?". My quizzical look* then prompted him to elaborate on how he used to live in-between Sunderland and Middlesbrough, and the trip to VP was something he did in a little over two hours.

Can someone confirm these figures as possibly somewhat exaggerated, or am I really the world's slowest driver?

*on two occasions over the last couple or three months, the trip home has taken me in excess of four hours, thanks to motorway "incidents".

My old man used to live in Middlesbrough at one time. I used to reckon on 2 1/2 hours if I  did it late at night and risked the wrath of the rozzers. 3 1/4 in more normal traffic.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Three Spires Villa on September 10, 2017, 01:14:39 PM
Dull 0-0 and he clings onto his job
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: QuintonVilla on September 10, 2017, 01:18:48 PM
0-3. Bruce goes on Wednesday morning. In comes Roy Hodgson to bring the crowds back with his exciting, attacking brand of football.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Taylor on September 10, 2017, 01:21:57 PM
Can we have a poll please?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Villa75 on September 10, 2017, 01:24:09 PM
Another draw.

Will 46 points be enough to keep us up?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: nigel on September 10, 2017, 01:24:18 PM
3-1 Villa
Hogan 2 Hourihane
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Tony Erdington on September 10, 2017, 01:27:55 PM
Fuck me,

The very cautious Mr Bruce set us up yesterday to not lose. Against promotion chasing Brentford , so I imagine against the only favourites for automatic promotion mr Bruce will err more on the side of defend what we have.

I envisage something around Villa nil.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: olaftab on September 10, 2017, 01:29:50 PM
I'm away on holiday for this one so it's a nailed on 6-0 home win performance of the millennium.
If it is I will pay for your holiday. (quickly retreats to check Laws of  contract to see if a promise is legally binding :-[)

Subject to Ts&Cs available at request.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: CT on September 10, 2017, 01:30:35 PM
An 8-2-0 formation. Boro to win 1-0.

I wish we had Garry Monk.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Richard E on September 10, 2017, 01:32:11 PM
I'm away on holiday for this one so it's a nailed on 6-0 home win performance of the millennium.
If it is I will pay for your holiday. (quickly retreats to check Laws of  contract to see if a promise is legally binding :-[)
I'll be in touch on Wednesday to collect payment.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: olaftab on September 10, 2017, 01:48:58 PM
I'm away on holiday for this one so it's a nailed on 6-0 home win performance of the millennium.
If it is I will pay for your holiday. (quickly retreats to check Laws of  contract to see if a promise is legally binding :-[)
I'll be in touch on Wednesday to collect payment.
No problem. I hope you have read the Ts&Cs and I will probably make a payment online as soon as the 6th goal goes in however you must return the payment when we score our 7th.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Legion on September 10, 2017, 01:51:42 PM
Poll added. Sorry.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on September 10, 2017, 01:55:38 PM
I am sure the Villa engine will go through the gears and fire on all cylinders.
The benifit  analisys following a back to the drawing board review in the inclusive team building off site work shop will pay dividends. This is not a cookie cutter approach but a goal focussed orientation towards collective harmonisation across multi disciplines within a defined framework and determined timescales.
There is no I in TEAM.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 10, 2017, 01:59:26 PM
Another bore draw to keep Bruce, just about, in a job for a few more days.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Villa75 on September 10, 2017, 02:04:17 PM
When I realise the best we can probably expect is a draw at home to Middleborough, I could actually cry. 😭
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Boz on September 10, 2017, 02:13:26 PM
As we clearly find it difficult to score goals without Kodjia, it seems unlikely we will win many games, but might luckily have a few more 0-0s

We will need a good slice of luck to finish in mid table while Bruce remains at B6
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Des Little on September 10, 2017, 02:15:26 PM
Nailed on home win. 2-0
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Walmley_Villa on September 10, 2017, 02:17:10 PM
On Saturday, I mentioned to the bloke next to me that I'm working in Leeds at the moment, so wasn't sure if I'd make it to this. He said, "Leeds, what's that, an hour?". My quizzical look* then prompted him to elaborate on how he used to live in-between Sunderland and Middlesbrough, and the trip to VP was something he did in a little over two hours.

Can someone confirm these figures as possibly somewhat exaggerated, or am I really the world's slowest driver?

*on two occasions over the last couple or three months, the trip home has taken me in excess of four hours, thanks to motorway "incidents".

I am also working in Leeds currently and it takes me normally 2 hours each way, normal traffic conditions and vary between M42 and M1 or A38 and M1 routes.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Gregorys Boy on September 10, 2017, 02:22:36 PM
1-1 Davis for us. 

I don't agree that if we lose it will be bye-bye Bruce.  There's no signs coming from the club of that and I doubt there's enough negativity coming from the crowd at this point.  But certainly it would be another push towards the door.  But its way too early still.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on September 10, 2017, 02:39:55 PM
1-1 Davis for us. 

I don't agree that if we lose it will be bye-bye Bruce.  There's no signs coming from the club of that and I doubt there's enough negativity coming from the crowd at this point.  But certainly it would be another push towards the door.  But its way too early still.
That would signal that the Club has given up on automatic promotion this season.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on September 10, 2017, 02:50:59 PM
2-0 down by half time, Bruce to get a Bolton moment of abuse. Lose the game 2-1
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: darren woolley on September 10, 2017, 02:54:37 PM
1-1 Draw for me.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Steve67 on September 10, 2017, 03:45:39 PM
I'm not sure we have ever beaten a Monk team? Nice time to do just that. Sadly, I think they will be more organised and do us by 2 to 1. I would throw Kodjia in and try to get an hour out of him if we can.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 10, 2017, 03:54:26 PM
1-1.

We'll play better and be leading but will concede late so SB following the RDM self destruction manual to the letter.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Ads on September 10, 2017, 04:05:40 PM
I'd put the following out given the injuries;

Same back five of Johnstone, Taylor, Terry, Chester and Bree.

Adomah, Jedinak, Hourihane, Elmo in midfield with Snodgrass in behind Hogan.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: jeowje on September 10, 2017, 04:34:31 PM
I expect us to play better and win the game. We are nowhere near as bad as our display yesterday suggests.

It is just abundantly clear that this manager, after a year of trying, is not capable of establishing a high enough win ratio to secure promotion from this division- the ONLY thing that really matters to the future of the club.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 10, 2017, 04:41:10 PM
Home games against Boro are rarely memorable, sadly I think this one will be for the wrong reasons. Us 1 Them 2.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 10, 2017, 04:44:02 PM
Can see the old guard being put in for us. Bree apparently had a poor game so would fully expect Hutton back in if he isn't injured.

I can also see Jedinak starting....alongside Whelan.

Get on the prozac folks.

Boro always used to be a strange fixture when we played them in the premier league. We'd go up there and it would be the easiest away game of the season yet they always seemed to get at least a point at VP.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Damo70 on September 10, 2017, 04:46:00 PM
I can't see us getting anything from this one. Adama will probably be MOTM. I am going 0-1 or 1-2 to Boro. Decent side but not always a massive goal threat. Has Gestede been playing for them? haven't heard or read his name for a while.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Richard E on September 10, 2017, 04:49:58 PM
Gestede is out injured at the moment.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 10, 2017, 04:55:50 PM
He scored a couple for them in August. Assombalonga their main man upfront.

Thought Downing was out of favour but he's playing for them again.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: manic-road on September 10, 2017, 05:39:14 PM
0-2 further humiliation.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on September 10, 2017, 05:53:25 PM
             Johnstone
De laet, Chester, terry, Taylor
          Jedinak lansbury
Snodgrass hourihane Adomah
                Hogan
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Villa Lew on September 10, 2017, 06:03:54 PM
Looking at their website, Boro fans have been raving about Traore's performance yesterday and what I saw on Channel 5, he looked unstoppable. He's clearly going to be up for it on Tuesday.

Birmingham Mail have done a poll asking if we were right to sell him. 55%, including me, said no.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: olaftab on September 10, 2017, 06:11:53 PM
          Johnstone
De laet Jedinak Chester Taylor
           
Snodgrass Hourihane  O'Hare Adomah
               
             Davis Hogan
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: TheMalandro on September 10, 2017, 06:28:09 PM


Birmingham Mail have done a poll asking if we were right to sell him. 55%, including me, said no.

What a silly poll, the player said he wanted to leave.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: rob_bridge on September 10, 2017, 06:32:05 PM
1-3
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Ads on September 10, 2017, 06:35:50 PM
Hes a circus act who battered a third division club. About the level he's used to with Barca B.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Legion on September 10, 2017, 06:36:43 PM
On current form:

                 Johnstone

      Whoever Someone Anyone Him

APlayer Random FingersCrossed ANOther

                Guess Hope
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: TheMalandro on September 10, 2017, 06:41:24 PM
On current form:

                 Johnstone

      Whoever Someone Anyone Him

APlayer Random FingersCrossed ANOther

                Guess Hope

ANOther picked up a knock, he's doubtful.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: maigrait on September 10, 2017, 06:48:42 PM
Can't see us getting anything. 0-2 to the borough.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 10, 2017, 06:55:57 PM


Birmingham Mail have done a poll asking if we were right to sell him. 55%, including me, said no.

What a silly poll, the player said he wanted to leave.

dont blame him

the only players that probably didn't want to leave were Gabby and RicHards
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 10, 2017, 06:56:44 PM
0-2  Villa


assamwhathesname
Downing
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: l_mckay on September 10, 2017, 08:36:09 PM
They will be to good for us I think. 1-3 to boro
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Richard E on September 10, 2017, 09:29:47 PM
FIFA 17 predicts a 3-1 away win despite Villa taking the lead. Chester scores an unfortunate own goal.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: IAmTheOneIanOlney on September 10, 2017, 10:15:51 PM
FIFA 17 predicts a 3-1 away win despite Villa taking the lead. Chester scores an unfortunate own goal.
Damn. It's all going to seem so promising after going 1-0 up, as well.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: in exile on September 10, 2017, 10:21:28 PM
I usually take part in this but not knowing what team the fuckwit will pick means I can't take part this time
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: olaftab on September 10, 2017, 10:56:26 PM
FIFA 17 predicts a 3-1 away win despite Villa taking the lead. Chester scores an unfortunate own goal.
Damn. It's all going to seem so promising after going 1-0 up, as well.
I am going to the Botanical Gardens tomorrow as I have heard there is a sunflower there that can predict the result by ignoring the sun and bending towards the winning team scarf. The question is has anyone got a Boro scarf handy?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Zouch Villa on September 10, 2017, 11:08:53 PM
FIFA 17 predicts a 3-1 away win despite Villa taking the lead. Chester scores an unfortunate own goal.
Damn. It's all going to seem so promising after going 1-0 up, as well.
I am going to the Botanical Gardens tomorrow as I have heard there is a sunflower there that can predict the result by ignoring the sun and bending towards the winning team scarf. The question is has anyone got a Boro scarf handy?
I shouldn't worry if I were you, it'll probably spontaneously combust at the sight of the Villa scarf.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Des Little on September 10, 2017, 11:10:14 PM
FIFA 17 predicts a 3-1 away win despite Villa taking the lead. Chester scores an unfortunate own goal.

On my Commodore 64 Football Manager we win 5-0 so I'll go with that.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Damo70 on September 10, 2017, 11:17:12 PM
FIFA 17 predicts a 3-1 away win despite Villa taking the lead. Chester scores an unfortunate own goal.

On my Commodore 64 Football Manager we win 5-0 so I'll go with that.


Football manager on my ZX Spectrum has a number of the European Cup winning side available to sign. When they are a level 5 flog them once you have won the league and buy a load of level 1 players. The following season all level fives drop to level one and all level ones jump up to level fives. That should have been of of the Top Tips in Viz.

I hope I haven't ruined Football Manager 1982 for anyone.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Des Little on September 10, 2017, 11:23:01 PM
That plan sounds remarkably similar to Doug's strategy back in 1982. Sell off half the European Cup winners and buy utter shit. It doesn't end well.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Legion on September 10, 2017, 11:30:30 PM
My Vic20 blew up with all that info painstakingly inputted. It sounded somethjng like BBBBrrruuceOOOUUUTT!!!!
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Damo70 on September 10, 2017, 11:34:33 PM
My Vic20 blew up with all that info painstakingly inputted. It sounded somethjng like BBBBrrruuceOOOUUUTT!!!!

I had a Vic20 as my first computer, Xmas '82. I was addicted to the Pac-Man rip off game 'Jelly Monsters'. The only other game I had was Jupiter Lander. Trying to land a space pod of some sort into three different sized craters with different scores for each one. Christ, it was a crap game. I could never do those adventure games where you typed in instructions. My mate lent me one of his and it did my head in.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: adrenachrome on September 11, 2017, 02:01:51 AM
FIFA 17 predicts a 3-1 away win despite Villa taking the lead. Chester scores an unfortunate own goal.
Damn. It's all going to seem so promising after going 1-0 up, as well.
I am going to the Botanical Gardens tomorrow as I have heard there is a sunflower there that can predict the result by ignoring the sun and bending towards the winning team scarf. The question is has anyone got a Boro scarf handy?

I should tell you that I was a resident of the Sunflower State of the US of A for the best part of a decade and I once tried out this procedure in a corn field when Kansas City Chiefs were due to play the ghastly Dallas Cowboys. Long story short: bitten by a snake, attacked by a racoon and infested by chiggers. The Chiefs fucked up as usual.

Don't do it, dude.  Its Satanical in the Botanical.  The numerical value of satanical in Pythagorean Numerology is: 8.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on September 11, 2017, 06:11:02 AM
I reckon we will nick a win. Terry off a corner. 1-0 to us.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: kieron on September 11, 2017, 07:29:56 AM
I reckon you must be smoking something.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Brend'Watkins on September 11, 2017, 09:03:56 AM
Hope Kodja is fit and raring to go.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Richard E on September 11, 2017, 09:07:37 AM
FIFA 17 predicts a 3-1 away win despite Villa taking the lead. Chester scores an unfortunate own goal.
Damn. It's all going to seem so promising after going 1-0 up, as well.

The equaliser is scored in first half stoppage time, just to make it even more of a sickener.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Dazvillain on September 11, 2017, 09:36:27 AM
Traore and Assombalonga had a great time yesterday v Bolton. 

0-3.
Just watched their highlights.... when you see ex villains in others shirts they look like world beaters. This is why my stance and patience is changing on Bruce too. Traore could see the end of Bruce tomoz
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Ads on September 11, 2017, 09:51:55 AM
Against this years Rotherham?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Des Little on September 11, 2017, 11:07:59 AM
My Vic20 blew up with all that info painstakingly inputted. It sounded somethjng like BBBBrrruuceOOOUUUTT!!!!

10 PRINT "BRUCE OUT"

20 GOTO 10

RUN
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: tomd2103 on September 11, 2017, 11:17:06 AM
Saturday was awful, but I wouldn't panic and change too much to be honest and would sticvk with the 4-1-4-1 formation.  Bree had a shocker, but I would keep him in, but would have De Laet on the bench in case of a repeat performance.  Elmohamady deserves to be dropped, but with Green presumably being out he might stay in, with Snodgrass likely to come in to replace the latter.  The only other question would then be Whelan or Jedinak in the defensive midfield role. 
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Pete on September 11, 2017, 11:29:10 AM
On Saturday, I mentioned to the bloke next to me that I'm working in Leeds at the moment, so wasn't sure if I'd make it to this. He said, "Leeds, what's that, an hour?". My quizzical look* then prompted him to elaborate on how he used to live in-between Sunderland and Middlesbrough, and the trip to VP was something he did in a little over two hours.

Can someone confirm these figures as possibly somewhat exaggerated, or am I really the world's slowest driver?

*on two occasions over the last couple or three months, the trip home has taken me in excess of four hours, thanks to motorway "incidents".

I am also working in Leeds currently and it takes me normally 2 hours each way, normal traffic conditions and vary between M42 and M1 or A38 and M1 routes.

Spot on, I live in Huddersfield which is the same distance and the same route (M1 M42) apart from me joining the M1 a bit further down - 2 1/4 hours usually to Great Barr and I'm a careful driver, 75mph all the way.

The bloke who claimed north of Middlesbrough to Villa Park in two hours is talking bollocks, it's about 200 miles.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: dave.woodhall on September 11, 2017, 11:35:30 AM


Spot on, I live in Huddersfield which is the same distance and the same route (M1 M42) apart from me joining the M1 a bit further down - 2 1/4 hours usually to Great Barr and I'm a careful driver, 75mph all the way.

The bloke who claimed north of Middlesbrough to Villa Park in two hours is talking bollocks, it's about 200 miles.

Even the roadworks where the limit's down to 50...? I've been doing Castleford/Leeds to Birmingham a bit lately and even (very) early morning it's two and a bit hours.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: paul_e on September 11, 2017, 11:45:33 AM
I used to play rugby between derby and nottingham and the latter is about an hour if you're sticking close to the speed limit and don't have any major traffic.  Leeds is at least the same again from there so doing it in an hour during the afternoon rush is highly unlikely, 2-2 1/2 would be a much more reasonable guess.


On google maps it's listed as 120m miles and 2:06 in decent traffic (i.e. current conditions).
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Gregorys Boy on September 11, 2017, 12:08:53 PM


Birmingham Mail have done a poll asking if we were right to sell him. 55%, including me, said no.

What a silly poll, the player said he wanted to leave.

And it was the injury which cost him appearing more for us.  That was just bad luck.  A better poll maybe for Baker or Ruddy. I think both could make a difference for us this season.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Gregorys Boy on September 11, 2017, 12:13:49 PM
1-1 Davis for us. 

I don't agree that if we lose it will be bye-bye Bruce.  There's no signs coming from the club of that and I doubt there's enough negativity coming from the crowd at this point.  But certainly it would be another push towards the door.  But its way too early still.
That would signal that the Club has given up on automatic promotion this season.

After six or seven games you cannot write anyone off in the Championship.  Its that sort of league.  Pretty sure Brighton had a rotten start last season.  Think we have a good enough squad (though I think we should bring in another striker in Jan) to be in the top six mix come the end of the season.  Its just whether the squad clicks and if Bruce is a bit bolder tactically.  He deserves till Christmas at least IMO.  Don't know which top mangers we would attract this early in the season anyway.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on September 11, 2017, 12:33:31 PM
If we lose this I may begin to lose the will to live by the time the second Tuesday game against Brough rolls around.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Pete on September 11, 2017, 12:43:21 PM


Spot on, I live in Huddersfield which is the same distance and the same route (M1 M42) apart from me joining the M1 a bit further down - 2 1/4 hours usually to Great Barr and I'm a careful driver, 75mph all the way.

The bloke who claimed north of Middlesbrough to Villa Park in two hours is talking bollocks, it's about 200 miles.

Even the roadworks where the limit's down to 50...? I've been doing Castleford/Leeds to Birmingham a bit lately and even (very) early morning it's two and a bit hours.

No, I do slow down for that bit. I was down a few weeks ago and the roadworks do seem to be getting shorter. And when I say 'all the way' I just mean the motorway and the 42, obviously.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Deano's Mullet on September 11, 2017, 12:44:17 PM
0-0 or 0-2
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Jimbo on September 11, 2017, 01:01:21 PM
Looking at the poll, I'm wondering whether people really think we're going to lose, or it's what they'd take to see the back of Bruce? While I doubt he's the man to take us up, I don't think we're in such bad shape as recent performances would suggest. Villa to win. 2-1, and the string of managerial saliva to stretch on that little bit longer before it snaps inevitably onto our chins and down our shirts. 
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: paul_e on September 11, 2017, 01:05:03 PM
Looking at the poll, I'm wondering whether people really think we're going to lose, or it's what they'd take to see the back of Bruce? While I doubt he's the man to take us up, I don't think we're in such bad shape as recent performances would suggest. Villa to win. 2-1, and the string of managerial saliva to stretch on that little bit longer before it snaps inevitably onto our chins and down our shirts. 

I've voted for a draw (1s each) because I can see them scoring and I can't see us scoring twice.  I suspect we'll take the lead in the first half hour and then back off further and further before the dam breaks in the last 20 and we cling on to the point.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Lobsterboy on September 11, 2017, 01:08:11 PM
I think it will be a battling draw and Bruce to claim we have turned the corner... again
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Boz on September 11, 2017, 01:14:49 PM
If Triore runs at our defence like he did against Bolton, I don't hold out much hope for us hanging on for a draw, unless he returns to his Villa inconsistent form and is completely anonymous.

Without a consistent goal scorer, we are going to remain in the bottom six and hope there are at least three worse than us by next May.

Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: mallo on September 11, 2017, 01:30:13 PM
I've gone draw in the hope we score as I can see Middlesbrough scoring. I'll take a draw if we put the effort into pressing and moving off the ball, if not it is simply a matter of time for Bruce to be gone. A defeat and I reckon the dreaded vote of confidence will come out.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Clampy on September 11, 2017, 01:32:43 PM
If Triore runs at our defence like he did against Bolton, I don't hold out much hope for us hanging on for a draw, unless he returns to his Villa inconsistent form and is completely anonymous.

Without a consistent goal scorer, we are going to remain in the bottom six and hope there are at least three worse than us by next May.



I don't think he was completely anonymous. He was lively in the games he played. he just didn't play enough of them.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: CT Villan on September 11, 2017, 01:42:39 PM
A draw at best but most likely a defeat.

At least you'll get to see the Villa Engine...

(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-4HRf-3VnoWQ/WWSoKx1hW_I/AAAAAAAAKyM/NuqTOZNCZOs7fQs_x6mc0wrUEsujt6Y3gCLcBGAs/s1600/A%2B44.png)
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: john e on September 11, 2017, 02:24:20 PM
we are playing Middlesbrough at home and 76% of us don't think we will win

wtf is going on
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: taylorsworkrate on September 11, 2017, 02:25:40 PM
Are Davis, Onomah and Green all out?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: mr underhill on September 11, 2017, 02:38:54 PM
given how they performed last time out, is it crucial?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on September 11, 2017, 02:51:21 PM

I wont be shocked if we win

2-1
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: simon ward 50 on September 11, 2017, 02:52:32 PM
Can we postpone the game due to complete apathy (already!) on behalf of us fans?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: taylorsworkrate on September 11, 2017, 03:00:48 PM
given how they performed last time out, is it crucial?

Onomah I thought was the one midfielder who showed a little bit of awareness of space and players around him. Davies was on a hiding to nothing as his game is all about bringing the supporters runners into the game, and our midfield was constantly 50 yards away from him.

Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: berneboy on September 11, 2017, 03:09:47 PM


Spot on, I live in Huddersfield which is the same distance and the same route (M1 M42) apart from me joining the M1 a bit further down - 2 1/4 hours usually to Great Barr and I'm a careful driver, 75mph all the way.

The bloke who claimed north of Middlesbrough to Villa Park in two hours is talking bollocks, it's about 200 miles.

Even the roadworks where the limit's down to 50...? I've been doing Castleford/Leeds to Birmingham a bit lately and even (very) early morning it's two and a bit hours.
Agreed. And can easily be near 2.5 hours.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on September 11, 2017, 03:52:18 PM
Just before this season started I read an article previewing the Championship which pointed out the key dates in this seasons league calendar. They focused on tomorrow's game as being a key promotion battle as the first meeting of the two favourites for promotion.

Incredible to think that a few weeks later apathy reigns supreme, a low crowd is expected and many Villa fans have already had enough.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on September 11, 2017, 03:54:48 PM
Incredible to think that a few weeks later apathy reigns supreme, a low crowd is expected and many Villa fans have already had enough.

Lightweights with no staying power. God knows what they'll be like after 46 matches
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: clash city rocker on September 11, 2017, 04:31:46 PM
Sure the boro team talk will be along the lines of...' just do the basics right tonight and we'll be leaving with 3 points . Teams should be coming to VP thinking a draw for them or losing by the odd goal to us is not too bad.Unfortunately with Bruce 's tactics of inviting the opposition onto us many teams now come to VP expecting to go away with a point at least.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: QuintonVilla on September 11, 2017, 05:25:25 PM
Boro have sold 1100.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 11, 2017, 05:27:09 PM
Better than expected, to be fair.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: QuintonVilla on September 11, 2017, 05:29:09 PM
Better than expected, to be fair.
Their away support has improved since we played them in the Premier League. I saw on Twitter they took 3500+ to Bolton on Saturday.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Villafirst on September 11, 2017, 05:59:55 PM
Are Davis, Onomah and Green all out?

Onomah and Green out. Davis doubtful.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: tomd2103 on September 11, 2017, 06:29:09 PM
Are Davis, Onomah and Green all out?

Onomah and Green out. Davis doubtful.

Lansbury, Snodgrass and possibly Hogan in?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Nelson Lodge on September 11, 2017, 06:40:05 PM
Kodjia starting this evening for the U23 side vs Southampton at the Banks'. KO 7-00pm

De Laet starts at RB. O'Hare also starts as does Doyle-Hayes, Blackett-Taylor, plus Clark & Clarke.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 11, 2017, 06:49:09 PM
Kodjia starting this evening for the U23 side vs Southampton at the Banks'. KO 7-00pm

De Laet starts at RB. O'Hare also starts as does Doyle-Hayes, Blackett-Taylor, plus Clark & Clarke.

Kodjia vs Van Dijk should be an interest battle
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: chippy on September 11, 2017, 07:02:56 PM
Never have I been more sure of a defeat.  1-2 Boro. If so, I'll be joining the Bruce out brigade.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 11, 2017, 07:05:10 PM
Are Davis, Onomah and Green all out?

Onomah and Green out. Davis doubtful.

Lansbury, Snodgrass and possibly Hogan in?

Jordan Lyden not captaining the U23s tonight. Maybe Bodger is planning on giving him a go tomorrow night, probably out of position as an attacking midfielder rather than replacing the knackered Whelan.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Matt Collins on September 11, 2017, 07:16:45 PM
Feeling pessimistic

I reckon he'll go:

Hutton for Bree (or maybe Elmo)
Jedi for Whelan
Lansbury for Onomah (or maybe keep Whelan AND Jedi, which promises to be free flowing)
Thor for green
Snodgrass for Elmo
Hogan for Davis
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Ads on September 11, 2017, 07:20:12 PM
Anything less than a win is unacceptable. We're six points off the pace we ought to be accumulating at.

Attack for fecks sake.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 11, 2017, 07:28:15 PM
Anything less than a win is unacceptable. We're six points off the pace we ought to be accumulating at.

Attack for fecks sake.

Indeed. He should be sacked regardless, but if we don't win he absolutely should be sacked immediately.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on September 11, 2017, 07:38:49 PM
Head says no way will it be anything other than an away win, and a convincing one at that. Bruce gone by the time I've driven back.

Heart says Villa win, it's 'boro, ffs. Ftf. Bruce is reborn, hallelujah!

Arsehole says 1 down with 88 on the clock having not dirtied Randolph's knees, unlike Johnstone who's had to change his worn-out gloves twice. We then launch an onslaught the like of which has not been witnessed since Balaklava, culminating in Lansbury's bun netting the equaliser with moments left. Bruce milks it for all its worth,  and continues on his point-a-game campaign til Bonfire Night.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: preston28 on September 11, 2017, 09:11:36 PM
2-1 us.
That's all I can post in my apathy.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: KRS on September 11, 2017, 09:16:22 PM
Just watched the C5 highlights from the Boro game against Bolton at the weekend...they only showed 2 runs from Traore which both ended up with assists so looks like he may have finally added some end product to his game. He may not be consistent but if he's allowed to run at Taylor and Terry then this isn't going to be a positive result. I think Bruce will play for a draw...but will fail.

0-2 Boro
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Matt Collins on September 11, 2017, 09:33:35 PM
Anything less than a win is unacceptable. We're six points off the pace we ought to be accumulating at.

Attack for fecks sake.

Indeed. He should be sacked regardless, but if we don't win he absolutely should be sacked immediately.

If we lose they should sack him twice
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: brontebilly on September 11, 2017, 10:05:53 PM
Are Davis, Onomah and Green all out?

Onomah and Green out. Davis doubtful.

Lansbury, Snodgrass and possibly Hogan in?

De Laet for Bree too I expect, think Jedinak will start for Whelan. Team looks very one paced but Bruce will go back to experienced players for this one. Would prefer to see a bit of a curve ball like O'Hare in for Lansbury to give us some energy in midfield.


---------------Johnstone
De Laet, Chester, Terry, Taylor
Lansbury, Jedinak, Hourihane
Snodgrass, Hogan, Bjarnsson

Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: The Moose on September 11, 2017, 10:09:53 PM
I've passed my ST to my mate as I'm on an all-inclusive in Marrakesh this week.
He might not be my mate after tomorrow.....
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: aj2k77 on September 12, 2017, 12:46:19 AM
De Laet played tonight in the u23's. We hammered Soton 4-0. Kodjia played well, Doyle Hayes and O'hare played well again apparently.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: QuintonVilla on September 12, 2017, 01:46:00 AM
Kodjia looked well off the pace, understandably so. I'd say he's ready for 15-20 minutes maximum tomorrow.

O'Hare was superb again. How he isn't in the main squad is beyond me, probably because he's too attacking.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Ian. on September 12, 2017, 06:42:44 AM
0-2 Boro
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithe on September 12, 2017, 07:00:32 AM
Another 0-0

Bruce is under pressure and knows it so will not want to lose this, although it's difficult to imagine him being more defensive save laying trenches and barbed wire in our penalty area.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: ozzjim on September 12, 2017, 07:02:09 AM
Clearly going to be Hutton at right back. De Laet should be in but played last night. Jedinak and Whelan will start I reckon and I think he will bring pony hair back in for Hourihane. Snodgrass and Adomah should start in the wide positions and interchange but you just know he will start Elmo. Hogan having a very lonely night up top.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 12, 2017, 07:28:50 AM
You just know that tonight is going to be an eye bleeding rearguard affair where he sends the team out to deny Boro as opposed to for a win. He'll blame injuries, the pitch, the fans, the recent eclipse and the worsening political situation regarding North Korea amongst a whole host of non Steve Bruce things for our failings. I can't wait to shiver my balls off watching us brilliantly score nil and pray Boro do the same.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Risso on September 12, 2017, 07:55:00 AM
You just know that tonight is going to be an eye bleeding rearguard affair where he sends the team out to deny Boro as opposed to for a win. He'll blame injuries, the pitch, the fans, the recent eclipse and the worsening political situation regarding North Korea amongst a whole host of non Steve Bruce things for our failings. I can't wait to shiver my balls off watching us brilliantly score nil and pray Boro do the same.

It's going to absolutely piss down as well from about 7pm tonight, for the rest of the evening.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Chris Smith on September 12, 2017, 08:04:16 AM
You just know that tonight is going to be an eye bleeding rearguard affair where he sends the team out to deny Boro as opposed to for a win. He'll blame injuries, the pitch, the fans, the recent eclipse and the worsening political situation regarding North Korea amongst a whole host of non Steve Bruce things for our failings. I can't wait to shiver my balls off watching us brilliantly score nil and pray Boro do the same.

I really doubt it, generally he has tried to play an attacking game at home. He knows he needs a win so we will try to play on the front foot although there needs to be a balance as they are a decent side.

I do feel for you though, your poor little thing having to go out in the cold. Try to stay strong.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Legion on September 12, 2017, 08:05:56 AM
I didn't see much attacking v Brentford.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Matt Collins on September 12, 2017, 08:14:59 AM
I do think he might pair Whelan and Jedinak today. I don't think we should ever really do that at home

Could see hourihane being rested ahead of Barnsley
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 12, 2017, 08:26:46 AM
You just know that tonight is going to be an eye bleeding rearguard affair where he sends the team out to deny Boro as opposed to for a win. He'll blame injuries, the pitch, the fans, the recent eclipse and the worsening political situation regarding North Korea amongst a whole host of non Steve Bruce things for our failings. I can't wait to shiver my balls off watching us brilliantly score nil and pray Boro do the same.

I really doubt it, generally he has tried to play an attacking game at home. He knows he needs a win so we will try to play on the front foot although there needs to be a balance as they are a decent side.

I do feel for you though, your poor little thing having to go out in the cold. Try to stay strong.

Chris, I'd go along with your optimism except I saw first hand how we did the very opposite of everything you just described on Saturday. And I will bring an extra layer for my balls and something waterproof for my head tonight. Thanks for caring 😄
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Chris Smith on September 12, 2017, 08:26:46 AM
I didn't see much attacking v Brentford.

I agree and that is why I said generally. Neither players nor manager can afford to be timid tonight and hand them the initiative; all have a lot to prove.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Clampy on September 12, 2017, 08:28:14 AM
I do think he might pair Whelan and Jedinak today. I don't think we should ever really do that at home

I was thinking the other day he might do that. Away from home, I could see the reasoning  behind it. Not at home though.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Chris Smith on September 12, 2017, 08:34:16 AM
You just know that tonight is going to be an eye bleeding rearguard affair where he sends the team out to deny Boro as opposed to for a win. He'll blame injuries, the pitch, the fans, the recent eclipse and the worsening political situation regarding North Korea amongst a whole host of non Steve Bruce things for our failings. I can't wait to shiver my balls off watching us brilliantly score nil and pray Boro do the same.

I really doubt it, generally he has tried to play an attacking game at home. He knows he needs a win so we will try to play on the front foot although there needs to be a balance as they are a decent side.

I do feel for you though, your poor little thing having to go out in the cold. Try to stay strong.

Chris, I'd go along with your optimism except I saw first hand how we did the very opposite of everything you just described on Saturday. And I will bring an extra layer for my balls and something waterproof for my head tonight. Thanks for caring 😄

Very sensible, maybe take a flask as well.

It's going to be wet but the forecast is 12/13 degrees so not that cold really.

I hate the over egging of individual games but this one does feel pivotal to me. I think it will be extremely difficult for Bruce to recover from another poor result but also some of the players. A change of manager inevitably results in changes and some may find themselves surplus to requirements.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 12, 2017, 08:40:41 AM
You just know that tonight is going to be an eye bleeding rearguard affair where he sends the team out to deny Boro as opposed to for a win. He'll blame injuries, the pitch, the fans, the recent eclipse and the worsening political situation regarding North Korea amongst a whole host of non Steve Bruce things for our failings. I can't wait to shiver my balls off watching us brilliantly score nil and pray Boro do the same.

It's going to absolutely piss down as well from about 7pm tonight, for the rest of the evening.

Perfect. I can fly back the following morning with a fever and us sitting bottom 3.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 12, 2017, 08:45:06 AM
You just know that tonight is going to be an eye bleeding rearguard affair where he sends the team out to deny Boro as opposed to for a win. He'll blame injuries, the pitch, the fans, the recent eclipse and the worsening political situation regarding North Korea amongst a whole host of non Steve Bruce things for our failings. I can't wait to shiver my balls off watching us brilliantly score nil and pray Boro do the same.

I really doubt it, generally he has tried to play an attacking game at home. He knows he needs a win so we will try to play on the front foot although there needs to be a balance as they are a decent side.

I do feel for you though, your poor little thing having to go out in the cold. Try to stay strong.

Chris, I'd go along with your optimism except I saw first hand how we did the very opposite of everything you just described on Saturday. And I will bring an extra layer for my balls and something waterproof for my head tonight. Thanks for caring 😄

Very sensible, maybe take a flask as well.

It's going to be wet but the forecast is 12/13 degrees so not that cold really.

I hate the over egging of individual games but this one does feel pivotal to me. I think it will be extremely difficult for Bruce to recover from another poor result but also some of the players. A change of manager inevitably results in changes and some may find themselves surplus to requirements.

I just don't think he has it in him Chris to change drastically enough to affect the result tonight. The players will be confused too considering he has sent them out with mixed messages. What seemed to work well against Norwich and Wigan was suddenly changed for no reason vs Bristol City. Instead of going back to that style vs Brentford we witnessed an even more pathetic display. After 11 months a manager with his experience should have identified a specific way of playing. He doesn't know what that is and it is clearly being reflected by the players on the pitch. I don't expect much better or different tonight.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Boz on September 12, 2017, 09:03:16 AM
Anything less than a win is unacceptable. We're six points off the pace we ought to be accumulating at.

Attack for fecks sake.

Indeed. He should be sacked regardless, but if we don't win he absolutely should be sacked immediately.

If we lose they should sack him twice

Someone should be standing in the tunnel at the end of the game with his P45
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Chris Smith on September 12, 2017, 10:01:11 AM
You just know that tonight is going to be an eye bleeding rearguard affair where he sends the team out to deny Boro as opposed to for a win. He'll blame injuries, the pitch, the fans, the recent eclipse and the worsening political situation regarding North Korea amongst a whole host of non Steve Bruce things for our failings. I can't wait to shiver my balls off watching us brilliantly score nil and pray Boro do the same.

I really doubt it, generally he has tried to play an attacking game at home. He knows he needs a win so we will try to play on the front foot although there needs to be a balance as they are a decent side.

I do feel for you though, your poor little thing having to go out in the cold. Try to stay strong.

Chris, I'd go along with your optimism except I saw first hand how we did the very opposite of everything you just described on Saturday. And I will bring an extra layer for my balls and something waterproof for my head tonight. Thanks for caring 😄

Very sensible, maybe take a flask as well.

It's going to be wet but the forecast is 12/13 degrees so not that cold really.

I hate the over egging of individual games but this one does feel pivotal to me. I think it will be extremely difficult for Bruce to recover from another poor result but also some of the players. A change of manager inevitably results in changes and some may find themselves surplus to requirements.

I just don't think he has it in him Chris to change drastically enough to affect the result tonight. The players will be confused too considering he has sent them out with mixed messages. What seemed to work well against Norwich and Wigan was suddenly changed for no reason vs Bristol City. Instead of going back to that style vs Brentford we witnessed an even more pathetic display. After 11 months a manager with his experience should have identified a specific way of playing. He doesn't know what that is and it is clearly being reflected by the players on the pitch. I don't expect much better or different tonight.

I think the Brentford display was down to performance rather than tactics, the players just looked flat and what had worked well previously just did not happen. The fault from the manager's perspective was not recognising players who needed a rest and from the players for retreating into a timid, reactive performance. All need to do better tonight, whether or not they can or will is another matter. I will travel in hope, otherwise what's the point?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Risso on September 12, 2017, 10:04:20 AM
You just know that tonight is going to be an eye bleeding rearguard affair where he sends the team out to deny Boro as opposed to for a win. He'll blame injuries, the pitch, the fans, the recent eclipse and the worsening political situation regarding North Korea amongst a whole host of non Steve Bruce things for our failings. I can't wait to shiver my balls off watching us brilliantly score nil and pray Boro do the same.

It's going to absolutely piss down as well from about 7pm tonight, for the rest of the evening.

Perfect. I can fly back the following morning with a fever and us sitting bottom 3.

Living the dream!
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: TheMalandro on September 12, 2017, 10:11:39 AM
You just know that tonight is going to be an eye bleeding rearguard affair where he sends the team out to deny Boro as opposed to for a win. He'll blame injuries, the pitch, the fans, the recent eclipse and the worsening political situation regarding North Korea amongst a whole host of non Steve Bruce things for our failings. I can't wait to shiver my balls off watching us brilliantly score nil and pray Boro do the same.

It's going to absolutely piss down as well from about 7pm tonight, for the rest of the evening.

Perfect. I can fly back the following morning with a fever and us sitting bottom 3.

All that and you think your flight will be on time?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: paul_e on September 12, 2017, 10:20:50 AM
You just know that tonight is going to be an eye bleeding rearguard affair where he sends the team out to deny Boro as opposed to for a win. He'll blame injuries, the pitch, the fans, the recent eclipse and the worsening political situation regarding North Korea amongst a whole host of non Steve Bruce things for our failings. I can't wait to shiver my balls off watching us brilliantly score nil and pray Boro do the same.

I really doubt it, generally he has tried to play an attacking game at home. He knows he needs a win so we will try to play on the front foot although there needs to be a balance as they are a decent side.

I do feel for you though, your poor little thing having to go out in the cold. Try to stay strong.

Chris, I'd go along with your optimism except I saw first hand how we did the very opposite of everything you just described on Saturday. And I will bring an extra layer for my balls and something waterproof for my head tonight. Thanks for caring 😄

Very sensible, maybe take a flask as well.

It's going to be wet but the forecast is 12/13 degrees so not that cold really.

I hate the over egging of individual games but this one does feel pivotal to me. I think it will be extremely difficult for Bruce to recover from another poor result but also some of the players. A change of manager inevitably results in changes and some may find themselves surplus to requirements.

I just don't think he has it in him Chris to change drastically enough to affect the result tonight. The players will be confused too considering he has sent them out with mixed messages. What seemed to work well against Norwich and Wigan was suddenly changed for no reason vs Bristol City. Instead of going back to that style vs Brentford we witnessed an even more pathetic display. After 11 months a manager with his experience should have identified a specific way of playing. He doesn't know what that is and it is clearly being reflected by the players on the pitch. I don't expect much better or different tonight.

I think the Brentford display was down to performance rather than tactics, the players just looked flat and what had worked well previously just did not happen. The fault from the manager's perspective was not recognising players who needed a rest and from the players for retreating into a timid, reactive performance. All need to do better tonight, whether or not they can or will is another matter. I will travel in hope, otherwise what's the point?


I disagree, I think we were setup deeper and that the flat nature of the performance came from there.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on September 12, 2017, 10:31:45 AM
You just know that tonight is going to be an eye bleeding rearguard affair where he sends the team out to deny Boro as opposed to for a win. He'll blame injuries, the pitch, the fans, the recent eclipse and the worsening political situation regarding North Korea amongst a whole host of non Steve Bruce things for our failings. I can't wait to shiver my balls off watching us brilliantly score nil and pray Boro do the same.

I really doubt it, generally he has tried to play an attacking game at home. He knows he needs a win so we will try to play on the front foot although there needs to be a balance as they are a decent side.

I do feel for you though, your poor little thing having to go out in the cold. Try to stay strong.

Chris, I'd go along with your optimism except I saw first hand how we did the very opposite of everything you just described on Saturday. And I will bring an extra layer for my balls and something waterproof for my head tonight. Thanks for caring 😄

Very sensible, maybe take a flask as well.

It's going to be wet but the forecast is 12/13 degrees so not that cold really.

I hate the over egging of individual games but this one does feel pivotal to me. I think it will be extremely difficult for Bruce to recover from another poor result but also some of the players. A change of manager inevitably results in changes and some may find themselves surplus to requirements.

I think if we fail to win tonight (which is very likely), Barnsley away will be last years Preston away. I think he'll go if we lose that one after failing to win tonight. You would have thought the intention would have been to look at it at the end of the month but 1-2 points from those first 3 will be very hard to recover from in terms of convincing Xia he's the man to carry on after the next international break.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: TheMalandro on September 12, 2017, 10:54:01 AM
Here today, gone tomorrow. Hopefully.

I have no faith that a win will turn into a run. More likely a win, three draws and a defeat.

Teams aren't coming here and upping their game to 'claim a scalp', they just identity the many weaknesses.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: QuintonVilla on September 12, 2017, 11:06:48 AM
On of the off chance we won tonight you just know he would completely change the system at Barnsley and we'd play out a defensive 1-1. The way he set us up at Bristol City after beating Norwich was just downright bizarre. He's showing far too much respect to teams in this piss pot league. Let them fear us and worry about us not the other way round.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: ktvillan on September 12, 2017, 11:13:32 AM
I always want Villa to win but slightly torn on this one in that I do  feel that a defeat, or even a lucky draw,  might be the bearable short term pain that will enable longer term gain.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: somec on September 12, 2017, 11:36:18 AM
Is Kodija back tonight?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: LukeJames on September 12, 2017, 11:40:51 AM
Yeah he is, probably get 30 mins from the bench.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: St AustellAVFC on September 12, 2017, 02:07:23 PM
Well I've no idea what to think anymore regarding the Villa. I feel like shit and I've got a gruelling 12 hour night shift ahead. Years gone by and I'd be gutted to be working on match day, but nowadays I couldn't give a crap. Prediction is Villa 1-0 Boro a late winner from Chester.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Ads on September 12, 2017, 02:37:35 PM
Lose and I think he will be sacked.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Axl Rose on September 12, 2017, 02:49:12 PM
2-0 to us. Hogan at the double.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Matt Collins on September 12, 2017, 02:50:29 PM
I think he has to win either this or Barnsley, and a bad defeat today and he could go - based in part on the fans reaction

I feel like I've taken on a "Bruce defender" role when I've got massive problems with him

But I do feel that if and when he goes, the paucity / risk of our credible options will become very quickly apparent

Part of me thinks we should deprioritise the assumption we can go up this year, our 'tried and tested players' approach and build from the bottom, with the youth etc, even if we wait a few years  and sell the likes of Kodjia next summer

Bruce isn't the man to lead that, but equally there's no point in rushing to get whoever is available in September either. That's only worth doing if we still want promotion this season.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: postal on September 12, 2017, 02:52:43 PM
2-0 to us. Hogan at the double.

Did you forget to take your pills today?  ;D

I expect to lose tonight

I expected to win on Saturday, but at least to have more than 1 shot on target all game. ???
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 12, 2017, 03:03:34 PM
You just know that tonight is going to be an eye bleeding rearguard affair where he sends the team out to deny Boro as opposed to for a win. He'll blame injuries, the pitch, the fans, the recent eclipse and the worsening political situation regarding North Korea amongst a whole host of non Steve Bruce things for our failings. I can't wait to shiver my balls off watching us brilliantly score nil and pray Boro do the same.

It's going to absolutely piss down as well from about 7pm tonight, for the rest of the evening.

Perfect. I can fly back the following morning with a fever and us sitting bottom 3.

All that and you think your flight will be on time?

I do. But I also expect the plane to blow a tire as it takes off seeing it flip multiple times down the runway.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Hookeysmith on September 12, 2017, 03:04:07 PM
Should be

 
                               Jonstone

DeLaet         Chester             Terry          Taylor

                               Jedinak

             Lansbury                  Hourihanne


Snodgrass                Hogan                 Elmohady


And if shite after 50+ mins swap Elmo / Jedi for Kodja + Bjorn (442) or one of the very promising young uns

What we will likely get as he must be shitting it

                              Johnstone

           Chester          Samba             Terry

Elhomady   Whelan    Jedinak    Bjorn      Taylor

                               I
                               I
                               I
                               I
                               I  40 / 50 yards
                               I
                               I
                               I
                               V

                     Hogan or Gabby


Quote
Someone should be standing in the tunnel at the end of the game with his P45

Hopefully
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: gpbarr on September 12, 2017, 03:30:31 PM
I can only see a defeat tonight - they are hitting their stride (good win at the weekend), we are an utter shambles and have been since March, players seem devoid of ideas or confidence, we will be set up to defend (again!), don't see where the goals are going to come from, and it'll end badly.

2 or 3 goal defeat.

The only consolation - change is imminent
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 12, 2017, 03:41:47 PM
Just selected a Love Heart at random and it said "HOT LIPS".

Get your money on a Hourihane goal. It's fate.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: adrenachrome on September 12, 2017, 03:46:50 PM
In addition to the heavy rain which has already been mentioned, there is a high wind advisory from the Met Office.

Should be fun. I am going straight from the cricket where the Bears are giving it the full Villa and going down like Buddy Holly.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: taylorsworkrate on September 12, 2017, 03:53:14 PM
In addition to the heavy rain which has already been mentioned, there is a high wind advisory from the Met Office.

Should be fun. I am going straight from the cricket where the Bears are giving it the full Villa and going down like Buddy Holly.

Bloody hell, the Bears and Villa on the same day?

Do you really hate yourself that much?  ;)
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Three Spires Villa on September 12, 2017, 03:58:46 PM
Come on Villa! I really dislike the manager, I think he should go, but I can't bring myself to hope we don't win, dull draw 1-1
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: LukeJames on September 12, 2017, 04:34:56 PM
Cant remember if I've already made a prediction for this one, anyway based on nothing other than a feeling I think we'll be papering over the cracks tonight and win 1-0.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Gareth on September 12, 2017, 04:47:38 PM
Looks at weather forecast....bit like the team for the last 2 games I simply can't be arsed!

Hopefully for those going it'll be more Norwich than Bristol City or Brentford but I can only see Mr Negative battening down the hatches, wouldn't surprise me to see (well hear!);
                           Johnstone
Hutton  Chester      Terry         Taylor
 Elmo Lansbury  jedinak  Whelan 
                                            Snodgrass 
                               Gabby

A nice back 8 in front of Johnstone.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 12, 2017, 05:19:19 PM
Looks at weather forecast....bit like the team for the last 2 games I simply can't be arsed!

Hopefully for those going it'll be more Norwich than Bristol City or Brentford but I can only see Mr Negative battening down the hatches, wouldn't surprise me to see (well hear!);
                           Johnstone
Hutton  Chester      Terry         Taylor
 Elmo Lansbury  jedinak  Whelan 
                                            Snodgrass 
                               Gabby

A nice back 8 in front of Johnstone.

we really are starting to look like Hull City
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Lizz on September 12, 2017, 05:41:21 PM
The most optimistic vote I went for was a draw.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Smirker on September 12, 2017, 05:44:03 PM
The most optimistic vote I went for was a draw.

Same. If we win tonight we're right back in the playoff chase (at this early stage). That's why we will drop points.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: clash city rocker on September 12, 2017, 06:28:56 PM
Grow some balls Bruce and send out a team with the tactics and mindset to win the game. Like Del said 'fortune favours the brave'. Retreat into our shell and defend deeper and deeper and we'll be there for the taking. Please Mr.Bruce, 'grow a pair.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: UK Redsox on September 12, 2017, 06:33:59 PM
Based on the weather forecast, the second have could be fun (as will the drive home)
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: brian green on September 12, 2017, 06:34:31 PM
He who dares wins as Monsieur Trotter also said.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: VancouverLion on September 12, 2017, 06:44:36 PM
2-1 Villa.

Hogan and hot lips to score.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: LukeJames on September 12, 2017, 06:46:21 PM
Whoever starts upfront, we need to get our midfield up supporting them and not in opposite halves.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: saunders_heroes on September 12, 2017, 06:52:57 PM
Good to see Jedinak back.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Middlesbrough Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Marton on September 12, 2017, 07:02:04 PM
I watched Adama display this weekend...
combined with the "see what you missed out on" factor...
combined with the lackluster, slow and static defenders we got on that side (Taylor, Terry).

This might make the Brentford game look like "pure joy and inspiration to build on" and the Cardiff game like a "comfortable defeat"...

I feel slightly ill at the prospect of this one...
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