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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Matt C on August 22, 2017, 03:12:07 PM
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Snodgross inbound on loan according to the Mail.
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Dr Tony just tweeted that they have been yakking to someone all week and hopefully the right decision will be made.
not in those exact words :)
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Not too mad on signing more ageing players but not much risk if it's a loan signing, and I'm biased in favour of Scottish players, so I'd be happy with that deal.
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And having looked him up, he's 29 so younger than I thought!
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Who will he play instead of?
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Snodgrass is a very good player at this level and still good enough for the Premier League.
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Snodgross inbound on loan according to the Mail.
We don't need a has been on loan here denying our youngsters opportunity.
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Snodgross inbound on loan according to the Mail.
We don't need a has been on loan here denying our youngsters opportunity.
To be fair, he was a £10m signing 7 months ago. He may not have hit the heights at West Ham, but I wouldn't say that he's a 'has been'. A good signing for a club in our position.
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We don't have too many "youngsters" in midfield. Adding a bit of quality and creativity and another goal threat seems like a good move to me.
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I'd be delighted, a great name.
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Where would he play?
A tough road back to the first team for Grealish when he is fit again.
Snodgrass
Whelan
Jedinak
Lansbury
Hourihane
Green
Adomah
Elmohamady
Grealish
Bjarnason
Kodjia
McCormack
Hogan
Davis
14 players in to 6 places.
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Snodgrass is an excellent player and would certainly improve us. But he prefers to play on the right (despite being left footed) and we have just signed Elmo for that.
I really like him but just not sure this is how we should use our limited budget.
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Where would he play?
If we continue with the 4-1-4-1 formation (or even if we go to a 4-4-2) he will play on the left side of midfield. He is like Ashley Young in that he is a right footed player who plays predominantly on the left. Decent signing in my opinion.
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He's as left footed as is humanly possible and prefers to play on the right.
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Where would he play?
A tough road back to the first team for Grealish when he is fit again.
Snodgrass
Whelan
Jedinak
Lansbury
Hourihane
Green
Adomah
Elmohamady
Grealish
Bjarnason
Kodjia
McCormack
Hogan
Davis
14 players in to 6 places.
Bruce needs shooting If he can not get that team promoted ( plus the spurs loanee and Callum )
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Where would he play?
If we continue with the 4-1-4-1 formation (or even if we go to a 4-4-2) he will play on the left side of midfield. He is like Ashley Young in that he is a right footed player who plays predominantly on the left. Decent signing in my opinion.
No he doesn't. Firstly he's left footed. Secondly he prefers to play on the right. He's on record as saying the reason he was struggling at West Ham is that they kept playing him on the left.
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But it's a loan and that is not the way to rebuild the club.
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But it's a loan and that is not the way to rebuild the club.
In an ideal world, I completely agree. But the most important thing at this stage is to put together a team to get us promoted. Snodgrass is an upgrade on all of our current wide-options bar Green in my opinion, and is the only one that is naturally left-footed, regardless of which side he's playing on. He's also a great set-piece taker, and I've been pretty underwhelmed by both Hourihane and Lansbury in that regard so far.
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Snodgrass is an excellent player and would certainly improve us. But he prefers to play on the right (despite being left footed) and we have just signed Elmo for that.
I really like him but just not sure this is how we should use our limited budget.
My view on it, too. The manager needs to work substantially with what he's got and let's see whether he can do it.
My main concern is the lack of cover at LB.
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I don't think it's too bad an idea to assemble a club that can get promoted, then upgrade to Premier League players without having to get loads of players off the wage bill.
So loans make sense. If he turns out to be an indispensable part of our team, we will probably sign him. If he doesn't, we can sign somebody else. I fail to see what we have to lose.
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I think De Laet is seen as left-back cover. Bjarnason and Toner at a push too.
My main worry now is centre-back. I honestly think we're in major trouble if Chester picks-up an injury. Terry and Samba would get crucified by a forward-line with any pace.
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I think De Laet is seen as left-back cover. Bjarnason and Toner at a push too.
My main worry now is centre-back. I honestly think we're in major trouble if Chester picks-up an injury. Terry and Samba would get crucified by a forward-line with any pace.
Think he sees Jedinak covering there this season. Admittedly it doesn't add anything to the pace conundrum.
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Would be surprised if Snodgrass commits with this much time left in the transfer window.
I could well believe we have spoken to him; that he might have even gone as far as to say he is interested.
But shirley one of the mid-table > lower Premiership sides might have chanced it with a day or two to go if their first choice options fell through.
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But it's a loan and that is not the way to rebuild the club.
Given his age an being out of favour I would guess at loan to buy arrangement?
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Probably enough smoke to give this one it's own thread.
I'm broadly in favour. Even if our right side looks massively over-stocked compared to the other side.
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My limited knowledge of him has him filed under good player. I'm in favour (if anyone cares) and I suppose a load fits in with FFP.
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Where would he play?
A tough road back to the first team for Grealish when he is fit again.
Snodgrass
Whelan
Jedinak
Lansbury
Hourihane
Green
Adomah
Elmohamady
Grealish
Bjarnason
Kodjia
McCormack
Hogan
Davis
14 players in to 6 places.
10 midfielders here and 11 with Gary Gardner that's quite a lot of cover for 4 places.
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Where would he play?
A tough road back to the first team for Grealish when he is fit again.
Snodgrass
Whelan
Jedinak
Lansbury
Hourihane
Green
Adomah
Elmohamady
Grealish
Bjarnason
Kodjia
McCormack
Hogan
Davis
14 players in to 6 places.
10 midfielders here and 11 with Gary Gardner that's quite a lot of cover for 4 places.
12. Like Steve Bruce you've forgotten Jordan Lyden.
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I can see Bruce selling Adomah if Snodgrass comes in. He would have Elmo and Green at right and left wing with Snodgrass competing with both of them for a place.
Adomah is one of our more saleable assets and would command a decent fee. If we can't shift some of the unwanted players I can see us offloading players we want if it is where we have squad depth.
One of Bree, Hutton and DeLaet will probably go too, and it may well be the one that goes is the one people want to buy rather than the onne we would want to sell (Hutton).
I like Snodgrass, so happy with the signing. Just puzzled we have got in two right wingers when we already had one of the best in the division in Adomah.
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Snodgrass is far more industrious than Adomah or Elmo, just the type of player when you need to dig deep to get a result. Whoever players right back will certainly appreciate his contributions.
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But it's a loan and that is not the way to rebuild the club.
We've maxed out re FFP so loan best option. That's reason Amavi went on loan so that we have his 9 million next summer to help balance the books then
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So if the FFP is hindering us why go for another midfielder where we have about a dozen players and we need cover in attack and defence?
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So if the FFP is hindering us why go for another midfielder where we have about a dozen players and we need cover in attack and defence?
Like PSG and Neymar, sometimes it's worth breaking the rules to get a extra ordinary talent.
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So if the FFP is hindering us why go for another midfielder where we have about a dozen players and we need cover in attack and defence?
Correct. Snodgrass would be a decent signing but not in a place we need if that makes sense.
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Not happy with this one, we've just won by having pace and power in the attacking third and Snodgrass brings neither of those.
He's a good player but he's not remotely what we need, seems like we're signing him because we can not because he beings something we need.
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But it's a loan and that is not the way to rebuild the club.
We've maxed out re FFP so loan best option. That's reason Amavi went on loan so that we have his 9 million next summer to help balance the books then
How does that work?
It's calculated over a rolling three year period. So if we had sold him this summer it would have been in our "plus column" until summer 2020.
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Why do we keep brining in players to play in the same positions?
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But it's a loan and that is not the way to rebuild the club.
We've maxed out re FFP so loan best option. That's reason Amavi went on loan so that we have his 9 million next summer to help balance the books then
How does that work?
It's calculated over a rolling three year period. So if we had sold him this summer it would have been in our "plus column" until summer 2020.
We're planning ahead for our 2021 Division 2 campaign.
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Why do we keep brining in players to play in the same positions?
Indeed
He's signed elmo, we have adomah and now possibly snodgrass
Albert out the door?
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So if the FFP is hindering us why go for another midfielder where we have about a dozen players and we need cover in attack and defence?
Like PSG and Neymar, sometimes it's worth breaking the rules to get a extra ordinary talent.
Not if we get points deducted.
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If Adomah was sold then it wouldn't be a great loss at all tbh.
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So if the FFP is hindering us why go for another midfielder where we have about a dozen players and we need cover in attack and defence?
Like PSG and Neymar, sometimes it's worth breaking the rules to get a extra ordinary talent.
Not if we get points deducted.
Very true.
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Scuttlebutt is that Snodgrass is at the ground tonight.
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If Adomah was sold then it wouldn't be a great loss at all tbh.
I agree. Hugely unimpressive player.
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If Adomah was sold then it wouldn't be a great loss at all tbh.
I agree. Hugely unimpressive player.
That's some excellent comic timing.
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He sure seems to score a few and get lots of assists for someone that isn't very good.
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Snodgrass would in my view get in ahead of Elmo or Adomah. He could also play centrally or left if needed
Wouldn't be surprised if we do sell Adomah now
Does leave us having a ridiculous squad. Maybe the first choice side until grealish is fit would be:
Jedinak / Whelan (rotate)
Snodgrass Onomah hourihane Kodjia
Davis
Main rotation would be green, Elmo, Lansbury
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And having looked him up, he's 29 so younger than I thought!
Yeah I thought he was over 30 now. Just been around a while and had some bad injuries.
I think he's a good pick up at this level, gets crosses in, chips in with goals and takes a good free kick. We should be strong on the left hand side with him and Hoolahan.
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Where would he play?
A tough road back to the first team for Grealish when he is fit again.
Snodgrass
Whelan
Jedinak
Lansbury
Hourihane
Green
Adomah
Elmohamady
Grealish
Bjarnason
Kodjia
McCormack
Hogan
Davis
14 players in to 6 places.
McCormack isn't Where would he play?
A tough road back to the first team for Grealish when he is fit again.
Snodgrass
Whelan
Jedinak
Lansbury
Hourihane
Green
Adomah
Elmohamady
Grealish
Bjarnason
Kodjia
McCormack
Hogan
Davis
14 players in to 6 places.
McCormack isn't an option while SB is here, Davis was great but he's not going to start 40 games, will be in and out. Bjarnasson hasn't really amount to much and in any case seems to be used more and more as a full back. I can also see AEM being used a bit more as a right back as the season goes on.
Scrub those off and you have 10 for 6 positions which is about par with all the games and injuries/suspensions. You forgot Gabby btw....;)
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Not happy with this one, we've just won by having pace and power in the attacking third and Snodgrass brings neither of those.
He's a good player but he's not remotely what we need, seems like we're signing him because we can not because he beings something we need.
Nail on head, another signing that just doesn't fit. We already have three options for right midfield, Elmo was unneccesary, Snodgrass is ridiculous.
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If Adomah was sold then it wouldn't be a great loss at all tbh.
I agree. Hugely unimpressive player.
That's some excellent comic timing.
Typical...but every dog has it's day...even Thor has managed to score and he can't even control a ball!
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Snoddy could play on the left back role perhaps
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Let's not go back to square pegs in round holes.
Pick players in their best positions and watch them play to their potential. Play them out of position and wonder why they suddenly look shite.
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Let's not go back to square pegs in round holes.
Pick players in their best positions and watch them play to their potential. Play them out of position and wonder why they suddenly look shite.
The Villa way for many a year.
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Don't see where Snodgrass would fit into the team ...... would rather use the money elsewhere or wait till january
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And having looked him up, he's 29 so younger than I thought!
Yeah I thought he was over 30 now. Just been around a while and had some bad injuries.
I think he's a good pick up at this level, gets crosses in, chips in with goals and takes a good free kick. We should be strong on the left hand side with him and Hoolahan.
Norwich rejected our bid for Wes a couple of years ago.
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Amazed I actually spelt his name correctly considering I was going for Hourihane!
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Can play 10 or both wings. Adds good quality and scores a decent amount from midfield. Green will be in and out at 19. Elmo may play full back some games. This gives us another really good quality option.
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Seems like Elmo take 2. Someone who Bruce has worked with before and rates even if we dont. He was right about Elmo (so far anyway), so sure, why not?
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Seems like Elmo take 2. Someone who Bruce has worked with before and rates even if we dont. He was right about Elmo (so far anyway), so sure, why not?
Snodgrass is a pretty tidy player.
Great name on the back of a shirt too ;D
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It's also an anagram of 'assdongs'.
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Snodgrass, Elmo, Chester is he trying to buy his Hull team that got promoted?
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Whenever I've seen him he's always looked a bloody good player.
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Surely nobody doesn't rate him at this level?
The only question is whether we need another player in that position
It is a bit gratuitous but given kodjia's injury problems, he certainly has more goal threat than Elmo would from that position for example
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I'm not sure i'd be selling Adomah if Snodgrass does come in though as some have suggested. He's a very good player to have around. There's others we should be looking to let go before him.
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Let's not go back to square pegs in round holes.
Pick players in their best positions and watch them play to their potential. Play them out of position and wonder why they suddenly look shite.
Exactly
snodgrass has said he struggled at west ham because he was played on the left when he needs to play on the right and now all of a sudden he an play left wing, right wing, number 10 and left back
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Adomah can easily play left side too, works his bollocks off and seems a very good egg. No way would I be letting him go. He also seems to have an uncanny knack of getting an assist most times he plays. I would not be allowing any of our wide options to leave because Snodgrass is coming. Having a decent squad with quality options is what will get us through tough periods through the winter. 46 games plus 4 or 5 cup is a long season.
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I'm going to be very pissed off if Albert is the sacrificial lamb on the Snodgrass alter, He's much better than Elmo in my humble opinion.
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Adomah can easily play left side too, works his bollocks off and seems a very good egg. No way would I be letting him go. He also seems to have an uncanny knack of getting an assist most times he plays. I would not be allowing any of our wide options to leave because Snodgrass is coming. Having a decent squad with quality options is what will get us through tough periods through the winter. 46 games plus 4 or 5 cup is a long season.
If Snodgrass does arrive then we will have him, Elmo, Adomah and Green to choose from which is about right.
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The short story and one-off comedy was interesting
https://www.comedy.co.uk/tv/snodgrass/ (https://www.comedy.co.uk/tv/snodgrass/)
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Would be a good addition for us good player.
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Can't wait to see the Scottish Kaka lining up alongside the Scottish Cafu.
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And to think we sold the Scottish Inesta
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What, Snodgrass is Scottish? That changes everything.
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So was he really at the match last night or was it just Twitterbollocks?
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It's also an anagram of 'assdongs'.
Only if he has a silent "r"
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The more I think on this the more disappointed I am with it.
By all accounts this is the end of our business so we're going into the season with Davis as our only target man after seeing how much better we were with a target man playing, with Taylor as our only left back and with Elphick being reintegrated because we're short at centre back. On top of that we only have a 19 year old or people playing out of position (bjarnason, snodgrass, adomah and kodjia have been suggested/tried at various points) for the left wing.
Not content with us having 3 right backs and 1 left back Bruce has now replicated the problem on the wings. On top of that we're still missing an option or 2 to add real pace to the side, Green, RHM and Davis all have a bit (but none of them are express) but the rest of the attacking players are all mid-paced or slower.
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I think we have too many options if anything
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I.know the name has legendary status with us Villa fans.
But I can't think about the name Snodgrass without putting the word "Pongo" in front of it.
Must be an age thing.
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Had to Google it. I'm not sure "Pongo" will catch on as a nickname, to he honest!
http://www.toonhound.com/pongalongapongo.htm
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I.know the name has legendary status with us Villa fans.
But I can't think about the name Snodgrass without putting the word "Pongo" in front of it.
Must be an age thing.
Ah. So it's not just me then. Phew ! And phew !
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Bobby Snodders will do.
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The more I think on this the more disappointed I am with it.
By all accounts this is the end of our business so we're going into the season with Davis as our only target man after seeing how much better we were with a target man playing, with Taylor as our only left back and with Elphick being reintegrated because we're short at centre back. On top of that we only have a 19 year old or people playing out of position (bjarnason, snodgrass, adomah and kodjia have been suggested/tried at various points) for the left wing.
Not content with us having 3 right backs and 1 left back Bruce has now replicated the problem on the wings. On top of that we're still missing an option or 2 to add real pace to the side, Green, RHM and Davis all have a bit (but none of them are express) but the rest of the attacking players are all mid-paced or slower.
And because we cant shift him due to the wedge we are paying him
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The more I think on this the more disappointed I am with it.
By all accounts this is the end of our business so we're going into the season with Davis as our only target man after seeing how much better we were with a target man playing, with Taylor as our only left back and with Elphick being reintegrated because we're short at centre back. On top of that we only have a 19 year old or people playing out of position (bjarnason, snodgrass, adomah and kodjia have been suggested/tried at various points) for the left wing.
Not content with us having 3 right backs and 1 left back Bruce has now replicated the problem on the wings. On top of that we're still missing an option or 2 to add real pace to the side, Green, RHM and Davis all have a bit (but none of them are express) but the rest of the attacking players are all mid-paced or slower.
I agree that it's an odd use of the budget - a shame the opportunity to sign him seems to have come after we signed Elmo. BUT, he is a very, very good player and I think he will be a huge asset to the squad if played in his correct position on the right.
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The more I think on this the more disappointed I am with it.
By all accounts this is the end of our business so we're going into the season with Davis as our only target man after seeing how much better we were with a target man playing, with Taylor as our only left back and with Elphick being reintegrated because we're short at centre back. On top of that we only have a 19 year old or people playing out of position (bjarnason, snodgrass, adomah and kodjia have been suggested/tried at various points) for the left wing.
Not content with us having 3 right backs and 1 left back Bruce has now replicated the problem on the wings. On top of that we're still missing an option or 2 to add real pace to the side, Green, RHM and Davis all have a bit (but none of them are express) but the rest of the attacking players are all mid-paced or slower.
Is Clark expected to cover for LB, I wonder.
I'm not overly keen on bringing in Snodders but actually I am more concerned with getting rid of some of the wasters before the ned of the month.
Last night may - just may - have pointed us in the direction we should be taking, although it is hardly a good one-off from which to draw many conclusions.
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And to think we sold the Scottish Inesta
Wednesday supporting mate of mine was at Fulham on Saturday and said he ran the game - was allowed to play further forward.
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I.know the name has legendary status with us Villa fans.
But I can't think about the name Snodgrass without putting the word "Pongo" in front of it.
Must be an age thing.
Ah. So it's not just me then. Phew ! And phew !
Barney McGrew?!
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Bobby Snodders will do.
I like the nickname Snodders :)
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And to think we sold the Scottish Inesta
Wednesday supporting mate of mine was at Fulham on Saturday and said he ran the game - was allowed to play further forward.
Yep, he does well for them. But then he has found his level in this league. He wasn't good enough for us then, and hopefully won't be soon but right now he'd probably do okay for us too, such is the level we've sunk to.
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(http://www.toonhound.com/pongo4.gif)(http://www.toonhound.com/pongo3.gif)
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Villa in "advanced talks" to sign Snodgrass according to Sky sources.
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Always happy for us to sign a good player, and he will be our best right winger.
It does seem a shame that three of our best players Adomah, Elmo and Snodgrass would all play in the same position whilst we have no cover at all at left wing and left back.
Definitely a good player though.
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Always happy for us to sign a good player, and he will be our best right winger.
It does seem a shame that three of our best players Adomah, Elmo and Snodgrass would all play in the same position whilst we have no cover at all at left wing and left back.
Definitely a good player though.
Who's to blame for that?
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I suspect Snodgrass will play behind a forward at some points.
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I suspect Snodgrass will play behind a forward at some points.
Agreed. He's too slow to be a winger and we have that position more than covered. More likely to be coming off the bench/the odd game to give Hourihane a rest.
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Snodgrass should deliver you 20 goals a season in this league by virtue of scoring or assisting. I think its a good signing. Also gives us some set piece threat too. The one he's gonna threaten the most is probably Grealish to be honest. Jack's gonna have his work cut out when he's back fit.
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It's also an anagram of 'assdongs'.
There's also an old navy vessel. RSS Gonads. (best I could do. Sorry)
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Snodgrass isn't coming here to sit on the bench. We don't any other midfielders who were valued at £10m within the last six months
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The problem is you can't say you've got no money and you want a senior squad of 18-20 only to then get distracted and go after a 2nd right winger in a month regardless of the effect it will have on the squad, this is the same problem from last summer with RDM and most seasons under MON. Elmo was good on Saturday, Adomah was good last night, we're already going to have one of them pissed off at a lack of game time and then you bring in another right winger.
So we then start looking at playing someone out of position but that means putting one of them on the left where they're not suited and losing the pace of Green or rotating with guy who's just scored a hat-trick when you already have Lansbury looking better in that role than any other.
Competition on the left is needed, but not in the shape of Adomah out of position. He might see that spot as good for Kodjia or Grealish when they're back but that doesn't do anything to back up a season long loan for a right winger.
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Can we call him Pongo?
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One of the right wingers is gonna have to "do a Youngy" and get used to playing on the left and cutting in on their right. If we are getting Snodgrass on-loan he probably starts most of the time, like Onouha.
He's not really what we need but Bruce going back to old clubs to get his faves is hardly a surprise. Brace yourselves for a Gardner-Cattermole deadline day swap.
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Villa in "advanced talks" to sign Snodgrass according to Sky sources.
Hope the god in detail will result in Snoddy snubbing us.
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He's got quality on the ball, I worry that after seeing Saturday we really need pace and mobility in attack, especially out wide.
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One of the right wingers is gonna have to "do a Youngy" and get used to playing on the left and cutting in on their right. If we are getting Snodgrass on-loan he probably starts most of the time, like Onouha.
He's not really what we need but Bruce going back to old clubs to get his faves is hardly a surprise. Brace yourselves for a Gardner-Cattermole deadline day swap.
Young was what 21 when he did that, Elmo and Adomah are both pushing 30 and have played on the right their entire careers, it's a very different situation.
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I can't see Elmo playing left but I reckon Adomah could
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Can we call him Pongo?
I have a feeling before he's gone we'll be calling him a lot worse than that unless he recaptures his Leeds form. Had a look around today on Norwich and Hull forums; neither missed him. Saying that, the majority thought he was played out of position and the Hull lot were also glad to see the back of Elmo, so who knows. He was an all-action player for Leeds, a really exciting, hard working player, let's see if he can rediscover that passion whilst he's here. At least he knows he's got a manager that wants him.
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If I'm reading transfermarkt properly he's averaged a goal or assist every other game for 100 games at this level
That'll do for me
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Snodgrass will add quality and creativity to the squad, and you'd like to think that he's good enough to stand out against opposition regardless of what position he's played in. Personally I can see him as a driving force for the midfield and with his ability on the ball, I'd have him playing centrally behind forwards to use creativity and vision.
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Need him signed up tomorrow ready in time for him to lead us to victory over Bristol City on Friday night!
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One of the right wingers is gonna have to "do a Youngy" and get used to playing on the left and cutting in on their right. If we are getting Snodgrass on-loan he probably starts most of the time, like Onouha.
He's not really what we need but Bruce going back to old clubs to get his faves is hardly a surprise. Brace yourselves for a Gardner-Cattermole deadline day swap.
As long as he plays alongside Kodija and Keiran Clarke
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Snodgrass will add quality and creativity to the squad, and you'd like to think that he's good enough to stand out against opposition regardless of what position he's played in. Personally I can see him as a driving force for the midfield and with his ability on the ball, I'd have him playing centrally behind forwards to use creativity and vision.
I was under the impression it was his delivery from wide that was his best attribute. If that's the case, you can't play him centrally. He'll either play on the left or replace Elmo wide right with Adomah/Green on the left I'd guess.
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Seems a level headed type, too.
On 24 January 2011, an arrest warrant was issued for Snodgrass after he failed to turn up to court regarding an alleged driving offence.[72] A spokesman for Leeds United said that the non-appearance was due to a misunderstanding and that Snodgrass was working with the judicial authorities to resolve the matter.[72]
On 3 March 2017, another arrest warrant was issued for him after he failed to attend his trial for allegedly driving in Glasgow with a baby being held in the arms of a passenger. His defence lawyer said that Snodgrass' absence was due to a misunderstanding.
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maybe the reason for the misunderstanding was the fact that he cant read the letter about the court date??
What a tool. Just the type of role model we need at our club? as I have read on here that as one of the founders of the original league, that all our players need to be saints.
I just read that he is yet to make up his mind as other clubs are now in for him (including premier league clubs).
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Snodgrass will add quality and creativity to the squad, and you'd like to think that he's good enough to stand out against opposition regardless of what position he's played in. Personally I can see him as a driving force for the midfield and with his ability on the ball, I'd have him playing centrally behind forwards to use creativity and vision.
I was under the impression it was his delivery from wide that was his best attribute. If that's the case, you can't play him centrally. He'll either play on the left or replace Elmo wide right with Adomah/Green on the left I'd guess.
If he's as good as some ppl make him out to be then he should be good enough to adapt to other roles or positions in the Championship; if he's not, then I'd fall into the category of thinking that him signing is a waste of time and money when we already have Adomah and Elmo that can play in that role (even if I think Adomah is a bit shit).
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we don't need Snoddy and Albert ain't shit. we need a centre forward.
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Should have gone for Watkins.
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We should go for the guy from Norwich who terrorised Hutton last Saturday, and forced him to pretend he was injured, so he could be subbed LOL
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Should have gone for Watkins.
Another yep.
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I just read that he is yet to make up his mind as other clubs are now in for him (including premier league clubs).
Good news. He is premier quality so needs to go to Newcastle etc.
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Should have gone for Watkins.
Another yep.
However there are lot of players out there who have terrorised our Al. We can't sign all of them😟
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Should have gone for Watkins.
Another yep.
However there are lot of players out there who have terrorised our Al. We can't sign all of them😟
The one that left Exeter in the summer.
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that's the Badger.
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A really good player and will improve the squad. Wish we could return Elmo and get our money back though.
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Elmo has been pretty decent so far, I reckon. A bit early to be writing him off.
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Can we call him Pongo?
I have a feeling before he's gone we'll be calling him a lot worse than that unless he recaptures his Leeds form. Had a look around today on Norwich and Hull forums; neither missed him.
Think the Hull fans don't look favourably on him as he spent most of his time injured and then left at the first opportunity, he was a good player for them.
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At Championship level he's very good. A nice throw back, box-to-box player. We need more goals from other areas of the field. 29 is a good age too. If we did sign him full time we could get a good 2 or 3 years of him at his best.
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Elmo has been pretty decent so far, I reckon. A bit early to be writing him off.
I'm not writing him off. I just don't think we need both and Snodgrass is by far the better player in my view.
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Elmo has been pretty decent so far, I reckon. A bit early to be writing him off.
Agreed, he looks decent to me.
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Always happy for us to sign a good player, and he will be our best right winger.
It does seem a shame that three of our best players Adomah, Elmo and Snodgrass would all play in the same position whilst we have no cover at all at left wing and left back.
Definitely a good player though.
Don't forget Green, right mid is definitely his best position. Only being shunted to the left at the moment due to oversupply on the right and Grealish's injury. Bjarnason is surely a wide option too. Switching to 433, then Kodjia and Gabby become wide options. We already have a surplus of number ten options including the man who scored us a hattrick last weekend.
Snodgrass should be more than a capable performer at this level but not for us. Our backup options at centre back and left back are woefully thin yet another attacking midfielder is prioritised. Exposes Wynness yet again as a spoofer authorising this.
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Always happy for us to sign a good player, and he will be our best right winger.
It does seem a shame that three of our best players Adomah, Elmo and Snodgrass would all play in the same position whilst we have no cover at all at left wing and left back.
Definitely a good player though.
Don't forget Green, right mid is definitely his best position. Only being shunted to the left at the moment due to oversupply on the right and Grealish's injury. Bjarnason is surely a wide option too. Switching to 433, then Kodjia and Gabby become wide options. We already have a surplus of number ten options including the man who scored us a hattrick last weekend.
Snodgrass should be more than a capable performer at this level but not for us. Our backup options at centre back and left back are woefully thin yet another attacking midfielder is prioritised. Exposes Wynness yet again as a spoofer authorising this.
Bjarnasson - an option for what? He looks like a bit player.
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Have he signed yet ?
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Elmo has been pretty decent so far, I reckon. A bit early to be writing him off.
Agreed, he looks decent to me.
Elmo so far has shown really well for us far and is much the better to option to adomah. I know football is a subject of opinions but anyone calling Elmo needs to take special lessons in something
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Elmo has been pretty decent so far, I reckon. A bit early to be writing him off.
Agreed, he looks decent to me.
Elmo so far has shown really well for us far and is much the better to option to adomah. I know football is a subject of opinions but anyone calling Elmo needs to take special lessons in something
Agree, he wins most of his aerial battles as well
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so those that don't rate him should just conform to the Elmo virtue signalling and say nothing?
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We don't need Snodgrass ...use the money somewhere else !
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Wide left I think Green and Adomah are best suited for cutting back in. Elmo and Snodgrass wide right,with Snodgrass, Grealish and O'Hare all options at 10.
Hourihane, Lansbury and Onomah are your advanced midfield/box to box types.
Whelan, Jedi, Gardner and Jake Doyle-Hayes.
It's a lot of depth and a lot of quality for this division.
Snodgrass is better than what we have at this stage and with Jack out till January, we need more in there than young O'Hare.
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All I'm saying is all things being equal I much prefer as Snodgrass to Elmo. If I was to buy one or other it would have been Snodgrass every day of the week.
But I agree, given the squad it is an odd use of the budget.
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I heard Allardyce on the radio earlier today. He was doing a general interview slot and subject of Snoddy coming to us came up. He said "there was a big difference in a positive way in West Ham results when he played however unfortunately he did not play too often for all sorts of reasons". May be one of reasons West Ham want to get rid of him so quickly after getting him in Jan.
Surely we have enough of those so do we want to add another?
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Maybe one of those reasons is that West Ham have been shit for a while and Billic is under huge pressure. Maybe he wasn't prepared to gamble on players and formations rather than Snograss being the reason. I've never heard anything negative regarding him as a player so can't think there's anything too sinister about his attitude. At the end of the day, we have no idea who is buying players at WHU so I wouldn't read too much into that comment.
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All I'm saying is all things being equal I much prefer as Snodgrass to Elmo. If I was to buy one or other it would have been Snodgrass every day of the week.
But I agree, given the squad it is an odd use of the budget.
I agree with that as well. If he has bought him to play on the right it would be a pretty unnecessary signing seeing as we need players in other areas. I think it would lead to further questions about Bruce's transfer policy.
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It's the same tactic Harry used for Tottenham. Just keep buying midfielders!
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I reckon he's a replacement for Grealish given Bruce's comments that he can play all along the front line. Bruce was building the team around Jack and since he went off against Hull we've looked toothless until he stumbled on the Davis and Hourihane combo
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It's the same tactic Harry used for Tottenham. Just keep buying midfielders!
I thought he used the same tactic everywhere. Just keep buying players and take the cut.
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7 in at Blue this summer with 3 more to come isn't there. Busy Harry.
Watching highlights of Snodgrass in the championship for Hull he's going to be utilised how Bruce did with him before, filling a gap arcross any of the front positions. He actually looks more threatening from the left on his highlights despite his protestations. I would also quite like to see us have a pair of wide players that interchange through a game. It gives the opposition different things to think about during a game.
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Old Snodders is having a medical at Villa Park this afternoon according to Sky Sports
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I heard Allardyce on the radio earlier today. He was doing a general interview slot and subject of Snoddy coming to us came up. He said "there was a big difference in a positive way in West Ham results when he played however unfortunately he did not play too often for all sorts of reasons". May be one of reasons West Ham want to get rid of him so quickly after getting him in Jan.
Surely we have enough of those so do we want to add another?
Suspect it was a signing made by the porn dwarves rather than Bilic. Snodgrass is fairly one paced so hardly suited to a high pressing type game that Bilic seems to prefer. West Ham tend to make a number of illogical signings.
Snodgrass has had a bad injury and may not be the player he was in his Norwich days. This is a really poor signing all things considered.
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I heard Allardyce on the radio earlier today. He was doing a general interview slot and subject of Snoddy coming to us came up. He said "there was a big difference in a positive way in West Ham results when he played however unfortunately he did not play too often for all sorts of reasons". May be one of reasons West Ham want to get rid of him so quickly after getting him in Jan.
Surely we have enough of those so do we want to add another?
Suspect it was a signing made by the porn dwarves rather than Bilic. Snodgrass is fairly one paced so hardly suited to a high pressing type game that Bilic seems to prefer. West Ham tend to make a number of illogical signings.
Snodgrass has had a bad injury and may not be the player he was in his Norwich days. This is a really poor signing all things considered.
I disagree. Whether the money could have been better spent elsewhere in the squad is a moot point, but I think Snodgrass will be one of the best players in the Championship this year and if so it would be difficult to call that a poor signing, particularly given its only a loan.
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I heard Allardyce on the radio earlier today. He was doing a general interview slot and subject of Snoddy coming to us came up. He said "there was a big difference in a positive way in West Ham results when he played however unfortunately he did not play too often for all sorts of reasons". May be one of reasons West Ham want to get rid of him so quickly after getting him in Jan.
Surely we have enough of those so do we want to add another?
Suspect it was a signing made by the porn dwarves rather than Bilic. Snodgrass is fairly one paced so hardly suited to a high pressing type game that Bilic seems to prefer. West Ham tend to make a number of illogical signings.
Snodgrass has had a bad injury and may not be the player he was in his Norwich days. This is a really poor signing all things considered.
I disagree. Whether the money could have been better spent elsewhere in the squad is a moot point, but I think Snodgrass will be one of the best players in the Championship this year and if so it would be difficult to call that a poor signing, particularly given its only a loan.
I'm not saying you're wrong, in truth no one knows, but that's exactly the sort of response I got last summer when I said Fat Ross was a poor signing, sometimes a signing doesn't feel right.
On topic I'm totally on the fence with Snodgrass, he's a decent player but not at all what we need and I'd rather we were looking to add someone left sided with pace if we are going to sign an attacking player.
I'd actually much prefer that we spend any money we have on a leftback because we've got absolutely no cover for Taylor right now, other than playing someone out of position. We've had enough "season ended in September" injuries in the last decade that a massive gap like that concerns me.
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I heard Allardyce on the radio earlier today. He was doing a general interview slot and subject of Snoddy coming to us came up. He said "there was a big difference in a positive way in West Ham results when he played however unfortunately he did not play too often for all sorts of reasons". May be one of reasons West Ham want to get rid of him so quickly after getting him in Jan.
Surely we have enough of those so do we want to add another?
Suspect it was a signing made by the porn dwarves rather than Bilic. Snodgrass is fairly one paced so hardly suited to a high pressing type game that Bilic seems to prefer. West Ham tend to make a number of illogical signings.
Snodgrass has had a bad injury and may not be the player he was in his Norwich days. This is a really poor signing all things considered.
I disagree. Whether the money could have been better spent elsewhere in the squad is a moot point, but I think Snodgrass will be one of the best players in the Championship this year and if so it would be difficult to call that a poor signing, particularly given its only a loan.
I'm not saying you're wrong, in truth no one knows, but that's exactly the sort of response I got last summer when I said Fat Ross was a poor signing, sometimes a signing doesn't feel right.
On topic I'm totally on the fence with Snodgrass, he's a decent player but not at all what we need and I'd rather we were looking to add someone left sided with pace if we are going to sign an attacking player.
I'd actually much prefer that we spend any money we have on a leftback because we've got absolutely no cover for Taylor right now, other than playing someone out of position. We've had enough "season ended in September" injuries in the last decade that a massive gap like that concerns me.
Absolutely, so would I. But if we were offered Snodgrass on a decent deal, with his quality it would be silly not to take him. I say this on the assumption that it's not mutually exclusive to signing a left sided player.
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Surely we would only consider a loan deal with option to buy for a player of his age and previous issues with long term injuries?
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Snodgrass has had a bad injury and may not be the player he was in his Norwich days. This is a really poor signing all things considered.
Why was he so good for Hull in the first half of last season then?
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I think he's just what we need both on and off the pitch.
He has one hell of a sense of humour by the way.
I know that doesn't make him a good footballer, but that aside he's a better option than Lansbury for example
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He is having a medical according to Sky sources.
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He has one hell of a sense of humour by the way.
There goes the only reason for keeping Micah Richards.
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He definitely improves our squad.
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He definitely improves our squad.
It really depends which Robert Snodgrass turns up. I've yet to find anything on Norwich, Hull or West Ham forums that have a really good word to say about him other than he can take a corner and deliver a free kick. At West Ham he was thrown under the bus when billed as Payets replacement. Hopefully he'll arrive with a point to prove.
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Charlie N'Zogbia had a hell of a sense of humour. Coming into training looking like a promo for the Chelsea Flower Show. Made us all laugh but he was still fucking useless.
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He was causing problems for defences way better than what he'll find in this league as recently as last season, so -based purely on his ability- this is a good move.
But aside from the concern that we are already well stocked for his best position, I'd wonder why Wham are prepared to jettison him on a loan deal so soon after signing him. I get that Arnautovic, Ayew, or whoever are probably ahead of him in the pecking order. But with injury and suspension, he could still have a role to play with them. Or if not, they'd at least look to get a fair chunk of change back on him from another mid>lower Prem club.
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Beware doing deals with Gollivan. They will know if they're selling/loaning us a pup.
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An inflatable one.
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He definitely improves our squad.
It really depends which Robert Snodgrass turns up. I've yet to find anything on Norwich, Hull or West Ham forums that have a really good word to say about him other than he can take a corner and deliver a free kick. At West Ham he was thrown under the bus when billed as Payets replacement. Hopefully he'll arrive with a point to prove.
I've got a mate who's a Norwich fan and he really rates him. I'd hope he adds another dimension to us.
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... he can take a corner and deliver a free kick.
Don't underestimate the improvement that will bring to a team that has been woeful at set pieces throughout this decade.
... although I'm not a fan of his arrival at the expene of LB cover.
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Signed by the look of it.
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Looks like its done then.
https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/901100622870654976
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That's a inventive and clever way of doing it. Welcome Robert. First job, North Stand needs a wash
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Yes get all those muddy ball marks off it. Tonev should have been made to clean them off himself.
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Could be a good signing, welcome to the Villa Bob.
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Welcome, McPongo.
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Welcome to the Villa Robert!
Can we get promoted?
He who dares Snodders!
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Best business this summer
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Yet another short terms signing with little future value......just hope and pray we get up this season and are able to rebuild for the future with our young ones.
heyho...welcome, just don't go palling up with the last of the summer winers please, bring your career to a fruitful conclusion for us all.
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If he recreates his form for Hull then this will be a great signing.
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Best business this summer
hope you're correct
fingers crossed
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If he's been brought in to fill the void on the left then that's fine. If he's been brought in to play in on the right or behind a striker then it is a questionable use of resources to be honest.
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Welcome Snoddy. You are now a Villain. Having said that not sure about this at all. Did I ever worry about him when playing Norwich no and did he ever do anything on the pitch against us? No not that I can remember but....let's see.
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Welcome Snoddy. You are now a Villain. Having said that not sure about this at all. Did I ever worry about him when playing Norwich no and did he ever do anything on the pitch against us? No not that I can remember but....let's see.
Nobody ever does anything worthwhile against us for Norwich, we are their bogey team!
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Welcome Mr Snodders
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Welcome Snoddy. You are now a Villain. Having said that not sure about this at all. Did I ever worry about him when playing Norwich no and did he ever do anything on the pitch against us? No not that I can remember but....let's see.
Nobody ever does anything worthwhile against us for Norwich, we are their bogey team!
Imagine the shame of us being your bogey team ;D
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I've taken the Danny Rose approach and taken to Wikipedia to find out who the hell we have signed. Great days.
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And he wears the number 7 shirt made famous by the likes of Des Bremner, John Deehan, Ashley Young, Ian Taylor, Lee Hendrie, Leandro Bacuna........
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Looks like he played wide left for Hull, with Elmo on the other flank.
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And he wears the number 7 shirt made famous by the likes of Des Bremner, John Deehan, Ashley Young, Ian Taylor, Lee Hendrie, Leandro Bacuna........
Ahem, Pat McMahon......
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Welcome Snoddy, now get us promoted.
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And he wears the number 7 shirt made famous by the likes of Des Bremner, John Deehan, Ashley Young, Ian Taylor, Lee Hendrie, Leandro Bacuna........
Ahem, Pat McMahon......
Ray Graydon
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Welcome to Villa Park Snoddy...please don't be shit.
Arguably the wrong signing given the shortcomings in other positions, however you can't argue that he will add quality and creativity to the squad.
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And he wears the number 7 shirt made famous by the likes of Des Bremner, John Deehan, Ashley Young, Ian Taylor, Lee Hendrie, Leandro Bacuna........
Ahem, Pat McMahon......
No no Sir. Chico Hamilton was our most famous number 7. Pat always had 8 but I stand to be corrected.
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Ray of course replaced Chico.
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Very good player. I was hoping we would get him last season. Yeah, odd use of the budget but I'm still really pleased with this one.
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Ray of course replaced Chico.
No he didn't. Chico played in 1974-75.
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Welcome Robert.
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Very good player. I was hoping we would get him last season. Yeah, odd use of the budget but I'm still really pleased with this one.
No transfer fee at this stage, so a no brainer! Wages only. Hopefully a permanent option?
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Hope it's loan to buy. Can anyone confirm?
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Hope it's loan to buy. Can anyone confirm?
I'm not sure that's necessary. He'll be 30 by the end of the loan so I doubt his value can rise much from here.
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At 31 he can become some other clubs retirement plan
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Welcome to Villa Bob.
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I thought Chico had the number 11🤔
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If he helps getus promoted it will be a great bit of business.
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Think he'll be a real asset for us. Good signing
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I thought Chico Hamilton played with the number 10 he played with Pat McMahon as well.
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I thought Chico had the number 11🤔
Number 11 was Willie Anderson . I have just checked the old programmes in the garage.
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Ray of course replaced Chico.
No he didn't. Chico played in 1974-75.
He did eventually.
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Hope it's loan to buy. Can anyone confirm?
I'm not sure that's necessary. He'll be 30 by the end of the loan so I doubt his value can rise much from here.
So if he turns out to be decent for us anyone can come and nab him for next to nothing? Sounds like Villa alright.
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Hope it's loan to buy. Can anyone confirm?
I'm not sure that's necessary. He'll be 30 by the end of the loan so I doubt his value can rise much from here.
So if he turns out to be decent for us anyone can come and nab him for next to nothing? Sounds like Villa alright.
but hopefully we will have done well as will he and that would encourage him to stay ?
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Hope it's loan to buy. Can anyone confirm?
I'm not sure that's necessary. He'll be 30 by the end of the loan so I doubt his value can rise much from here.
So if he turns out to be decent for us anyone can come and nab him for next to nothing? Sounds like Villa alright.
but hopefully we will have done well as will he and that would encourage him to stay ?
Perhaps not, if a team comes along and offers Premiership wages.
Too far ahead to worry about I suppose. I just prefer loan to buy, if we have to rely on loans, rather than loan to 'lap of the gods'.
Anyway. Welcome to the greatest club in the world, Mr Snodgrass.
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Ray of course replaced Chico.
No he didn't. Chico played in 1974-75.
He did eventually.
Dont think so.
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Bruce clearly delighted to sign him at the end of the post match interview. Hopefully he will provide the extra quality that we are lacking at the top end of the pitch.
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Very good player. I was hoping we would get him last season. Yeah, odd use of the budget but I'm still really pleased with this one.
No transfer fee at this stage, so a no brainer! Wages only.
Do you not get how loans work?
We paid £2m to Liverpool to have Scott Carson for a year, and that was a decade ago. We'll be paying his £40k per week wages, and giving West Ham a fair wedge as well.
That doesn't mean that we're wasting money, as if he's great then it'll be money well spent. But "a loan just means his wages" isn't really how these things go.
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Bought in to replace Elmo, who replaced Adomah and who are both still on the books.
Great business.
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Elmo was a truly awful buy - Albert might not be a world beater but he is a better option.
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I thought Chico had the number 11🤔
Number 11 was Willie Anderson . I have just checked the old programmes in the garage.
Thanks for that, so Chico was 7?
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If he's been brought in to fill the void on the left then that's fine. If he's been brought in to play in on the right or behind a striker then it is a questionable use of resources to be honest.
His interview states he was played out of position at West Ham and that his position he must be played in to get the best out of him is "Off to the right or in behind the striker"
6-6.10 https://youtu.be/hTqJ2fdDW5c
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If he's been brought in to fill the void on the left then that's fine. If he's been brought in to play in on the right or behind a striker then it is a questionable use of resources to be honest.
His interview states he was played out of position at West Ham and that his position he must be played in to get the best out of him is "Off to the right or in behind the striker"
6-6.10 https://youtu.be/hTqJ2fdDW5c
That sounds to me like the role earmarked for Grealish until he got injured, in which case that surely answers a lot of the questions raised.
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He'll make great use of what Davis offers the team.
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Would have made a difference tonight when Hogan came on
in that role.
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If he's been brought in to fill the void on the left then that's fine. If he's been brought in to play in on the right or behind a striker then it is a questionable use of resources to be honest.
His interview states he was played out of position at West Ham and that his position he must be played in to get the best out of him is "Off to the right or in behind the striker"
6-6.10 https://youtu.be/hTqJ2fdDW5c
He'd be a better and more threatening option than Elmo wouldn't he? And Adomah in my view
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Revealed: How much of Snodgrass' wages will West Ham pay after Aston Villa loan switch?
The latest West Ham transfer news sees the Hammers set to part-fund Robert Snodgrass' move to Aston Villa
West Ham will contribute around £18,000 a week towards the wages of Robert Snodgrass after he completed his loan move to Aston Villa, according to Hammers transfer guru ExWHUEmployee.
Snodgrass has fallen out of favour quickly in east London and was shopped around this summer, having only joined the Hammers back in January for £10m.
In a column for The West Ham Way, the former West Ham staffer - who has gained a cult following on Twitter for providing transfer insights - has claimed that the Hammers will pay 30% of the Scotman's £60,000 a week wages.
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Welcome to Aston Villa Robert.
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Revealed: How much of Snodgrass' wages will West Ham pay after Aston Villa loan switch?
The latest West Ham transfer news sees the Hammers set to part-fund Robert Snodgrass' move to Aston Villa
West Ham will contribute around £18,000 a week towards the wages of Robert Snodgrass after he completed his loan move to Aston Villa, according to Hammers transfer guru ExWHUEmployee.
Snodgrass has fallen out of favour quickly in east London and was shopped around this summer, having only joined the Hammers back in January for £10m.
In a column for The West Ham Way, the former West Ham staffer - who has gained a cult following on Twitter for providing transfer insights - has claimed that the Hammers will pay 30% of the Scotman's £60,000 a week wages.
If that's true we can expect to see Snodgrass in every game as Bruce will want/need to justify the expense.
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I suspect we may see a 231 with ghe front six against Brentford, with say Whelan/Jedinak and Hourihane/Lansbury/Onomah and then Snoddy (Snoddy!) behind Hogan or Davis with Green/Adomah/Elmo wide.
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Playing him off the striker makes sense and also makes sense he probably wasn't a priority until Grealish got injured.
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Playing him off the striker makes sense and also makes sense he probably wasn't a priority until Grealish got injured.
I'd have completely agreed 10 days ago
But hourihane and Onomah both getting forward from midfield looks pretty promising to me
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Playing him off the striker makes sense and also makes sense he probably wasn't a priority until Grealish got injured.
I'd have completely agreed 10 days ago
But hourihane and Onomah both getting forward from midfield looks pretty promising to me
Options I guess which creates competition for places and in normal circumstances gets players to up their levels. I think we saw last night that some who performed well against Norwich were less prominent. There is also the grind of two games most weeks as the season progresses, an ability to rest one or two on Saturday keeps them fresh for Tuesday, for example, as well as the inevitable injuries and suspensions. If this squad can't get promoted they, and the manager, want shooting.
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I'm already reloading the rifle
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With your respected reputation for moderation Chris, you may live to regret saying that.
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With your respected reputation for moderation Chris, you may live to regret saying that.
I do already, given how this site works these days I expect accusations of incitement to murder to follow shortly.
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Bought in to replace Elmo, who replaced Adomah and who are both still on the books.
Great business.
With Hutton, Bree and De Laet at right back, we are absolutely stuffed with bang average right-sided players. It's the days of Bennett, Luna and Cissokho all over again.
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With your respected reputation for moderation Chris, you may live to regret saying that.
I do already, given how this site works these days I expect accusations of incitement to murder to follow shortly.
I agree with you, there's absolutely no excuse if we're not in the play offs as a minimum, that's why I'm so fed up of Bruce, we've only had a brief run when the play offs were already pretty much gone, where he's had us looking anything more than a mid-table team. 12 of the 14 yesterday were his players, he has no excuses left now and needs to deliver results home and away.
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With your respected reputation for moderation Chris, you may live to regret saying that.
I do already, given how this site works these days I expect accusations of incitement to murder to follow shortly.
I agree with you, there's absolutely no excuse if we're not in the play offs as a minimum, that's why I'm so fed up of Bruce, we've only had a brief run when the play offs were already pretty much gone, where he's had us looking anything more than a mid-table team. 12 of the 14 yesterday were his players, he has no excuses left now and needs to deliver results home and away.
100% correct
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Me too - he has to deliver
But after the upturn in form shouldn't we give him the chance now?
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With your respected reputation for moderation Chris, you may live to regret saying that.
I do already, given how this site works these days I expect accusations of incitement to murder to follow shortly.
I agree with you, there's absolutely no excuse if we're not in the play offs as a minimum, that's why I'm so fed up of Bruce, we've only had a brief run when the play offs were already pretty much gone, where he's had us looking anything more than a mid-table team. 12 of the 14 yesterday were his players, he has no excuses left now and needs to deliver results home and away.
100% correct
Seconded.
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Ray of course replaced Chico.
No he didn't. Chico played in 1974-75.
He did eventually.
Dont think so.
He didn't. From memory, Graydon was 7, Carrodus was 11 and Hamilton played at either 10 or 11.
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I always remember Hamilton predominantly wearing number 10.
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Bought in to replace Elmo, who replaced Adomah and who are both still on the books.
Great business.
With Hutton, Bree and De Laet at right back, we are absolutely stuffed with bang average right-sided players. It's the days of Bennett, Luna and Cissokho all over again.
I think De Laet is an excellent right back and that Bree is already a good player and will develop into an outstanding player,perhaps right back might not turn out to be his best position.It concerns me that Bruce might side with the experience and mediocrity of Hutton.
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Hamilton usually wore the no. 10 shirt at Villa.
Why has no-one mentioned the great Dave Rudge?
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Revealed: How much of Snodgrass' wages will West Ham pay after Aston Villa loan switch?
The latest West Ham transfer news sees the Hammers set to part-fund Robert Snodgrass' move to Aston Villa
West Ham will contribute around £18,000 a week towards the wages of Robert Snodgrass after he completed his loan move to Aston Villa, according to Hammers transfer guru ExWHUEmployee.
Snodgrass has fallen out of favour quickly in east London and was shopped around this summer, having only joined the Hammers back in January for £10m.
In a column for The West Ham Way, the former West Ham staffer - who has gained a cult following on Twitter for providing transfer insights - has claimed that the Hammers will pay 30% of the Scotman's £60,000 a week wages.
absolute madness paying those kind of wages in the second division.
Looking at our signings since relegation, our wage bill must be higher now?
The combined wages of Snodgrass, Terry and Whelan are the equivalent of financial doping at our level.
So much for the nonsense narrative spouted by Bruce's mates in the media that he hasnt spent at all this summer.
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I guess those three are a one season gamble, rather than a gabby or richards type contract.
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Bought in to replace Elmo, who replaced Adomah and who are both still on the books.
Great business.
With Hutton, Bree and De Laet at right back, we are absolutely stuffed with bang average right-sided players. It's the days of Bennett, Luna and Cissokho all over again.
I think De Laet is an excellent right back and that Bree is already a good player and will develop into an outstanding player,perhaps right back might not turn out to be his best position.It concerns me that Bruce might side with the experience and mediocrity of Hutton.
I thought Bree did well when he came on at half-time on Friday and should be given a run in the side at right-back.
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Bruce said the same after the game so I think he will be starting soon. DeLaet is a bloody good player too. We should have let Hutton go this summer.
I don't get issue some have with Snodgrass, 40k a week is a lot but 8 months ago he was bought for 10 million after scoring 7 or 8 goals in the prem in the first half of the season playing wide right or in the number 10 role. We currently lack a 10, and Elmo looks every inch a utility player on the right to me. Snodgrass one side, Green the other with Hourihane and Onomah coming from midfield and Kodjia up front will be the best attacking unit on paper in the division, with some depth behind it. Getting Grealish fit, acknowledging Adomah is pretty handy at this level etc, but Snodgrass is a quality player. I can see him having the sort of impact Ramirez did at Boro the season they went up.
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Ray of course replaced Chico.
No he didn't. Chico played in 1974-75.
He did eventually.
Dont think so.
He didn't. From memory, Graydon was 7, Carrodus was 11 and Hamilton played at either 10 or 11.
Absolutely correct....awesome
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We couldn't let Hutton go this summer as he took up the 1 year extension option in his contract from memory. Knowing full well he'd get nowhere near the 40k or whatever ridiculous amount he's on anywhere else
Having RDL and Bree for the foreseeable future as RB options is great business though
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We couldn't let Hutton go this summer as he took up the 1 year extension option in his contract from memory. Knowing full well he'd get nowhere near the 40k or whatever ridiculous amount he's on anywhere else
Having RDL and Bree for the foreseeable future as RB options is great business though
We also had the whole 'hands off' thing when there were rumours sheff weds were interested which suggests Bruce sees him as a player he wants to keep.
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Hutton's wages were surely slashed with relegation though I imagine Wednesday or whoever are after him would probably only be offering half that again.
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People questioned what Onomah would bring - answer: he's better than Lansbury
Snodgrass is likewise better than Adomah or Elmo, and he's definitely better than an injured grealish
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People questioned what Onomah would bring - answer: he's better than Lansbury
Snodgrass is likewise better than Adomah or Elmo, and he's definitely better than an injured grealish
Maybe so, although it's rare Grealish played on the right for us. Bruce has been allowed to ridiculously spunk a lot of the club's budget on improving the right side with another two options when we already had more than adequate options for this division in Adamoah and Green.
Yet we continue on with seemingly one left back and our third choice centre half is Chris Samba.
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People questioned what Onomah would bring - answer: he's better than Lansbury
Snodgrass is likewise better than Adomah or Elmo, and he's definitely better than an injured grealish
Maybe so, although it's rare Grealish played on the right for us. Bruce has been allowed to ridiculously spunk a lot of the club's budget on improving the right side with another two options when we already had more than adequate options for this division in Adamoah and Green.
Yet we continue on with seemingly one left back and our third choice centre half is Chris Samba.
The defence bit I don't understand at all. We are left sided defender short and need to rectify it.
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Has there been any mention of how he basically has no idea why he was playing out on the left when he went to West Ham last season? Doesn't really suggest that we took him on with a view to using him there.
Guess it'll be mostly Green and Kodjia out there until Jack comes back, unless we fancy giving Adomah a go.
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I'm guessing Snodgrass's continued complaining about the position Bilic played him in is a veiled message to Bruce.
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I'm guessing Snodgrass's continued complaining about the position Bilic played him in is a veiled message to Bruce.
If he has brought him in to either play on the right or as a 'number 10', I just can't see the thinking behind it. To have three right wingers and three right backs in the squad is ridiculous. He keeps on going on about a lack of money but then goes and blows what he does have like that.
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I have a feeling that he'll try to play Snoddy more centrally, however he could try and persist with the 352 and play him tucked in on the right with Hourihane and Green on the left. Bruce is going to have a few selection dilemmas for sure, so I hope he actually has a plan in place whereby we can rotate players in and out rather than switching formations week in week out.
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I have a feeling that he'll try to play Snoddy more centrally, however he could try and persist with the 352 and play him tucked in on the right with Hourihane and Green on the left. Bruce is going to have a few selection dilemmas for sure, so I hope he actually has a plan in place whereby we can rotate players in and out rather than switching formations week in week out.
A plan you say?
I would not bank on it
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I have a feeling that he'll try to play Snoddy more centrally, however he could try and persist with the 352 and play him tucked in on the right with Hourihane and Green on the left. Bruce is going to have a few selection dilemmas for sure, so I hope he actually has a plan in place whereby we can rotate players in and out rather than switching formations week in week out.
Yep. If he wants to play Snodgrass centrally then he will have to change the formation. I'm guessing he will revisit 3-5-2 at some point.
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With who in the back 3? We don't have the right balance of centre halves to play a back 3. You need one with pace, and one that is left sided for it to work. We have neither.
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Try telling that to Bruce! It really is a mystery why he seems to keep experimenting with it during games...surely if they had been playing that system in training then they wouldn't be so inept and look so lost when trying to adapt to it on match days. The players are clearly more comfortable in their roles playing with a back four, so why he keeps messing with it when it clearly doesn't work is anyones guess.
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Looking at the midfield, and depending on injuries, I really can't see how he's going to fit Snoddy into the team without dropping at least 3 out of Adomah, Elmo, Green, Thor and Lansbury when Whelan, Onomah and Hourihane should automatically pick themselves. This will also influence whether he decides to play 1 or 2 up front (Hogan, Davis or both). I think the balance of the squad means he'll have to play a variation of 451. He'll also face further headaches when Jedinak, Grealish and Kodjia come back from injury.
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I don't think it's really in dispute that the squad management has been crap, although at least it's being done with decent players, rather than outright shit ones.
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I have a feeling that he'll try to play Snoddy more centrally, however he could try and persist with the 352 and play him tucked in on the right with Hourihane and Green on the left. Bruce is going to have a few selection dilemmas for sure, so I hope he actually has a plan in place whereby we can rotate players in and out rather than switching formations week in week out.
I'm really struggling to see what line up you're suggesting there!
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I'm less used about left back cover than others. De Laet has played a lot of his career there in promotion winning sides, Bree can play there as can Clark
More worried about centre back. But I think Jedinak is fourth choice there
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Good confident teams deal with fullback cover on their stride. These positions are the least of our worries. We need to get the main unit moving properly.
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I was surprised to see his comments the other day about his time at West Ham. Strikes me a little of the sort of attitude we've had too much of ourselves here, and what we're trying to rid ourselves of. The "it's the managers doing" and not mine. He's come out too and been quoted as saying he hates playing on the left. So you know what's absolutely fucking nailed on now don't you...Brucies gonna have Snodgrass out on the left wing before Septembers out. I get the impression he's got a little big of a high opinion of himself potentially with ideas he's got nothing left to prove. Well he's got to prove it at a big club and he's not proved it in the Premier League, which is ultimately where we want to head.
He's a good player, so I'm really hoping he's not gonna be another tosspot. We've had too many. But my dickhead alarm did go off a bit.
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Disagree. He's knocking on a bit and wants to deliver and knows he can only really do that if played in his favourite position. Liked his attitude.
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Not in the Scotland squad. Injured already?
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Not in the Scotland squad. Injured already?
Yeah that was my immediate thought . .
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Not in the Scotland squad. Injured already?
Usually par for the course with Villa's international players.....
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Is Snoddy going to turn out to be like McGatewit?
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Is Snoddy going to turn out to be like McGatewit?
Why are you suggesting that?
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Because I can if I like!
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Because I can if I like!
Wow, having a pop at a player before he's even kicked a ball for us, nice one.
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lighten up. Just a joke - I'm sure Snoddy is going to be just like all Bruce's other signings.
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One too many in the Prancing Pony.
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One too many in the Prancing Pony.
Is that your local?
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no it's mine I was referring to the fact that I hoped Snoddy wasn't going to turn into another Ross (without of course him having kicked a ball yet ) not in terms of MansionGate but injury wise. Anyway none of it made any sense so apologies. Got to go as Mr Baggins is waiting for a refill.
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I'm wondering if snoddy going to be in the way of other players . I chiefly think he'll take up , some, positions by hourihane for example and also because of his razor type left foot he will be kicking in similar vain to hourihane both on strikes and set pieces.
Where he offers a great differential is behind the striker but also more excitedly in the off the right side of midfield where he can cut in . Obviously not in the class abilities of Messi but he can offer than quality at championship level. I not suggesting he's like Messi at all but would wonder if he not played in best position he'll be in way of other players .
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Two mentions of Messi there Skillz, that's your quarterly quota.
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How did he do on the weekend? Didn't see the game
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For me he seems to be the spark we were missing. Not brilliant but he's managed to wake everybody else up.
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Being a left footer myself, I can appreciate that he likes to cut inside and have a shot, but I feel he would be of more benefit to the team if he did his thing on the left especially considering our lack of left sided players in the squad.
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I'd definitely have thought there's a case for him and Albert to switch during the game
But he really doesn't seem to like playing on the left
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For me he seems to be the spark we were missing. Not brilliant but he's managed to wake everybody else up.
Same here, he's put in two decent performances now. I wouldn't want to be a Championship defender facing Snodgrass, Adomah and Kodjia, if they're all playing well and being used properly.
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Snodgrass is creating a significant new feel to the team. He is enthusiastic and wants to show what a good player he is (after his slating at west ham) great time to have a supplier now we look likely to be playing two up front .....
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I think if anything, he's given the team a bit of balance.
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Being a left footer myself, I can appreciate that he likes to cut inside and have a shot, but I feel he would be of more benefit to the team if he did his thing on the left especially considering our lack of left sided players in the squad.
Agree. There were a few times on Saturday where he was played into space in the final third and instead of driving forward and getting a shot or cross in, he completely slowed down trying to get the ball onto his left. He does look to have that spark and bit of quality on the ball but I foresee him not wanting to play on the left becoming a bit of a problem going forward. Said it in another thread, but we really could have done with bringing in a quick, naturally left sided player really.
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He's very whingy and aggressive too which I like. He looks like a pain in the arse to play against.
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The main reason any player likes to play on the opposite side is cutting inside on the defenders weaker foot and having a sight of goal with your good foot. It's generally a selfish attitude to have as a player (which isn't always a bad thing), but in our set up it could be to the detriment of the team. On the other hand, if he bags a few goals and his shots from the right create a few tap ins for the likes of Kodjia, Hogan or Adomah then it will be beneficial to the team.
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For me he seems to be the spark we were missing. Not brilliant but he's managed to wake everybody else up.
Agreed. He was full of running, aggressive and enthusiastic and, I thought, a reasonable amount of quality. I thought he had a very effective game and was surprised by some of the low scores for him in the post match thread.
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The main reason any player likes to play on the opposite side is cutting inside on the defenders weaker foot and having a sight of goal with your good foot. It's generally a selfish attitude to have as a player (which isn't always a bad thing), but in our set up it could be to the detriment of the team. On the other hand, if he bags a few goals and his shots from the right create a few tap ins for the likes of Kodjia, Hogan or Adomah then it will be beneficial to the team.
To be fair, Young was excellent playing on the left, his inswinging crosses were generally more dangerous than the ones he delivered from the right. Same for Downing when he played on the right under Houllier, after a period of adjustment.
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The main reason any player likes to play on the opposite side is cutting inside on the defenders weaker foot and having a sight of goal with your good foot. It's generally a selfish attitude to have as a player (which isn't always a bad thing), but in our set up it could be to the detriment of the team. On the other hand, if he bags a few goals and his shots from the right create a few tap ins for the likes of Kodjia, Hogan or Adomah then it will be beneficial to the team.
To be fair, Young was excellent playing on the left, his inswinging crosses were generally more dangerous than the ones he delivered from the right. Same for Downing when he played on the right under Houllier, after a period of adjustment.
The thing with Young was that although he was predominantly right footed, he could also go to the byline and cross with his left foot. If a player can't do that and is going to constantly cut back on to their favoured foot then it becomes easier for the full-back.
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He can cross with his right. See the Hogan fiasco v Boro
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Just watched the Boro game as was away last week. Thought he was pretty good and at the heart of much of our better play but he did seem to tire badly as the second half went on which is probably down to his lack of matches this season. I like him though and I think he's going to be invaluable this season
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How did he do on the weekend? Didn't see the game
Well, I seem to be in the minority here but I thought he was pretty average. He failed to beat his man on most occasions and his shooting was pretty wayward. He looked short of fitness (which is understandable).
He was reasonably energetic and - as someone else has said - he has a bit of feistiness about him that will serve us well. He and Elmo seemed to link well.
I want to see the matchwinner in him; hopefully, it'll arrive soon.
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He should start tonight to get some running into him.
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Can't see anything positive about his play Bilic is spot on
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Hopefully he's lacking match practice and will get up to speed soon, but offered very little today.
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Looks overweight and slow. Ran into his man nearly every time he had the ball.
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After watching him closely today I agree with above posts. We would have been better with 10 men today.
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Think you're being a bit harsh. But then this site has become almost relentlessly negative.
Wasn't great though I agree. Hopefully it's match fitness more than anything
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Think you're being a bit harsh. But then this site has become almost relentlessly negative.
Wasn't great though I agree. Hopefully it's match fitness more than anything
I think so. He was blowing hard early doors, as they say.
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Yes, I think he's probably just a bit ring rusty at the moment.
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There is a difference between being negative and honest appraisal. Honesty is positive. This site has not become relentlessly negative.
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Yes, I think he's probably just a bit ring rusty at the moment.
He pulled out a few times when I thought he should have been in there ramming in our advantage.
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Agree with Aftab. Please desist with the comments about negativity. It is objective, informed, criticism that we are all justified in making.
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I thought he was ok first half. Nothing spectacular, but not terrible.
Less useful second half, but I don't think backs-to-the-wall, throw your body in the way defending is really his thing.
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I thought he was ok first half. Nothing spectacular, but not terrible.
Less useful second half, but I don't think backs-to-the-wall, throw your body in the way defending is really his thing.
Too balanced
You need to decide on the basis of today whether he's:
a) fat and shit
b) lazy
c) too good for this league
d) the best villa winger since Ashley young
Next up: is Keinan Davis the next Benteke or the next Cacarino?
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He does look like he has a touch of technical class that some of our other players lack, he also looks completely fucked after 60 minutes.
I've no doubt that he'd be a better left winger and more value to our shape as a team out there but the only reason he came to us was because he doesn't like playing there.
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Give him time - has hardly played this season and was probably not match fit when he signed. Too early to make any sort of long term prediction.
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His tackling prowess does remind me of a certain Stewart Downing.
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His tackling prowess does remind me of a certain Stuart Downing.
From what I've seen so far, Stewart Downing was like Vinny Jones compared to Snodgrass when it comes to competing for a ball.
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He sheilds the ball very well but no, he's not the most robust of competitors in a 50/50. I doubt that's the reason he was bought in.
I think he'll be an asset with a few more games under his belt, he attempted a number of one twos with Davies that didn't quite come off but were at least imaginative. A very similar type of player to both Jack and McCormack.
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Even if he hasn't been amazing for us I do think there's better balance in our team now in the final third. He has guile on the left, Albert brings pace for the counter attack on the right and upfront we have a lot of pace and power with the front two.
Will be games where we need three centrally though so would imagine Davis would drop out in that scenario.
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Give him time - has hardly played this season and was probably not match fit when he signed. Too early to make any sort of long term prediction.
He doesn't look remotely fit full stop which isn't really acceptable for a professional footballer. Talented player no doubt but his early weeks at Villa remind me a bit of Ross McCormack.
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Give him time - has hardly played this season and was probably not match fit when he signed. Too early to make any sort of long term prediction.
He doesn't look remotely fit full stop which isn't really acceptable for a professional footballer. Talented player no doubt but his early weeks at Villa remind me a bit of Ross McCormack.
He's probably not match fit because he's hardly played and I don't see the McCormack comparison at all.
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Give him time - has hardly played this season and was probably not match fit when he signed. Too early to make any sort of long term prediction.
He doesn't look remotely fit full stop which isn't really acceptable for a professional footballer. Talented player no doubt but his early weeks at Villa remind me a bit of Ross McCormack.
He's probably not match fit because he's hardly played and I don't see the McCormack comparison at all.
Nor do i see the comparison...At least Snodgrass has some heart and there is a passion there to succeed. McCormack just lazy.
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I think I could cope with the berating of team mates by Snodgrass when he doesn't get the pass to his feet if he was a world beater and a class above. In my opinion he isn't and I would have substituted him a lot earlier yesterday as ( and this might be a one off) he was having an stinker of a game especially in the second half. I lost count how many times he lost possession.
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I thought Snodgrass made a good contribution first half and put in a couple of good crosses. Totally disappeared second half though.
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Yesterday he did nothing of any benefit and most aided Forest by his ineffectiveness however as others have said let's give him till end of October to light up the Championship.
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He will get better the more game time he gets.
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Yesterday he did nothing of any benefit and most aided Forest by his ineffectiveness however as others have said let's give him till end of October to light up the Championship.
He crossed to Kodjia for what looked like a brilliant chance in the first half. I think Kodjia mis controlled it. But I may have got the wrong sense of what happened
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To be fair he's only been with us for a few games. Think we need to give him a bit longer to settle in before we judge him. What I will say is that I don't think setpieces are his strong suit at least not delivery wise. Over the course of the season I would hope he would chip in with about six or seven goals and bring some much needed enegy to the midfeld.
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Watched the game again yesterday and I have to say he was useless. Everything he tried to do didn't come off and he continuously lost the ball. We know he's better than that so I'm putting it down to lack of fitness and match practice but I think we should persevere with him as he will come good
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I agree with the above but once again we've signed someone in their prime but for whatever reason they just can't provide anything to the team when they arrive. I'm getting pretty fed up of us constantly having to rehabilitate players before they look worth the money we're spending on them. When was the last time someone came in and made an immediate impact, from the last 20 years I can think of Keane, Carbone and Dublin who came to us with a reputation and lived up to it from the off. There's a few more who had a decent debut but then dropped off and took a few months to get back to form (Petrov for example).
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and also please jt or bruce tell him him when we have a free kick within goal range its Connors not his and totally agree with paul_e these players should hit the ground running for us sick and tired of " oh it will take them time to get up to speed"
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I agree with the above but once again we've signed someone in their prime but for whatever reason they just can't provide anything to the team when they arrive. I'm getting pretty fed up of us constantly having to rehabilitate players before they look worth the money we're spending on them. When was the last time someone came in and made an immediate impact, from the last 20 years I can think of Keane, Carbone and Dublin who came to us with a reputation and lived up to it from the off. There's a few more who had a decent debut but then dropped off and took a few months to get back to form (Petrov for example).
Big John.
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I agree with the above but once again we've signed someone in their prime but for whatever reason they just can't provide anything to the team when they arrive. I'm getting pretty fed up of us constantly having to rehabilitate players before they look worth the money we're spending on them. When was the last time someone came in and made an immediate impact, from the last 20 years I can think of Keane, Carbone and Dublin who came to us with a reputation and lived up to it from the off. There's a few more who had a decent debut but then dropped off and took a few months to get back to form (Petrov for example).
Big John.
And Ashley Young.
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Even if he hasn't been amazing for us I do think there's better balance in our team now in the final third. He has guile on the left, Albert brings pace for the counter attack on the right and upfront we have a lot of pace and power with the front two.
Will be games where we need three centrally though so would imagine Davis would drop out in that scenario.
Except he refuses to play on the left. That was his big beef with Slaven Bilic.
He was abject second half on Saturday. He looked horribly unfit. I get the fact he hasn't played much first team football recently so I'd expect him to be rusty but I wouldn't expect him to completely neglect any kind of tracking back leaving Elmohamady dealing with two Forest players down that wing throughout the half. He made Adama seem hardworking.
Hopefully a bit more game time will see him come good though.
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I'd say Milner flourished at the Villa.
As did Benteke.
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I agree with the above but once again we've signed someone in their prime but for whatever reason they just can't provide anything to the team when they arrive. I'm getting pretty fed up of us constantly having to rehabilitate players before they look worth the money we're spending on them. When was the last time someone came in and made an immediate impact, from the last 20 years I can think of Keane, Carbone and Dublin who came to us with a reputation and lived up to it from the off. There's a few more who had a decent debut but then dropped off and took a few months to get back to form (Petrov for example).
Big John.
Probably fair. I wouldn't include Benteke, Milner or young because they were signed for their potential at ages where they were likely to improve. If those players take time to settle it sort of expected but guys who are late 20s or older get the wages they do because they are what we need right now.
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Give snoddy chance he's a class act for this level.
I wouldn't be surprised if he adds more a goals and assists against a decrypted Bolton team. And he has a good football brain added to his brand with elmo and Bruce he's a promo know how.
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Give snoddy chance he's a class act for this level.
I wouldn't be surprised if he adds more a goals and assists against a decrypted Bolton team. And he has a good football brain added to his brand with elmo and Bruce he's a promo know how.
Agree 110%
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He was excellent on Tuesday. He had a bad game against Forest, but I thought he was decent against Barnsely too.
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He had had a torrid time at West Ham and hadn't played any competitive football before he joined us this season. Taking a few weeks to get up to speed is certainly understandable in these circumstances in my view. I think he will be one of the most influential players in the division and am delighted we signed him.
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He was excellent on Tuesday. He had a bad game against Forest, but I thought he was decent against Barnsely too.
Certainly looked a lot sharper on Tuesday than previously.
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Looked like fantastic signing when we got him. Starting to prove himself now. Looking good!
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He was excellent on Tuesday. He had a bad game against Forest, but I thought he was decent against Barnsely too.
Not excellent but a useful contribution.
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Yet to be convinced he's what we need. Early days though.
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We need balance, goals and a midfield threat. He scored one, stretched Burton and was instrumental in another two. He was excellent.
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He's said some great things about the support at Burton on Tuesday. Although I was far from convinced with him against forest I like the blokes snarling tendencies. Just what we need.
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Him and Albert are causing some nice problems for the opposition. Hopefully, Snoddy gets better and better the fitter he gets. Talking to a West Ham fan at work today, was saying top of the Championship is his level, finished at West Ham though.
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Him and Albert are causing some nice problems for the opposition. Hopefully, Snoddy gets better and better the fitter he gets. Talking to a West Ham fan at work today, was saying top of the Championship is his level, finished at West Ham though.
They might need him back next season then.
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Him and Albert are causing some nice problems for the opposition. Hopefully, Snoddy gets better and better the fitter he gets. Talking to a West Ham fan at work today, was saying top of the Championship is his level, finished at West Ham though.
They might need him back next season then.
Like
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Some one tell me what he brings to the party, not scoring, creating or offering much defensively.
Starts every game though.
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Looked off the pace last week and again today. Maybe the lack of a preseason has caught up with him.
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He's not doing much to say 'sign me' that's for sure. Bog average again today and that's being kind
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Looked off the pace last week and again today. Maybe the lack of a preseason has caught up with him.
Never convinced that makes much difference. He just doesn't look a threat
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He looks out of condition and off the pace to me.
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Would take him out for Wednesday.
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Did nothing what so ever to influence the game
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Would take him out for Wednesday.
Think I would be looking at that as well. If Kodjia is injured though, that might scupper that plan, as I would have moved him out to the left and shifted Adomah to the right.
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I'm not convinced that Elmo+Snodgrass = One useful player
Playing Snodgrass and Adomah leaves us a midfielder short
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Would take him out for Wednesday.
Think I would be looking at that as well. If Kodjia is injured though, that might scupper that plan, as I would have moved him out to the left and shifted Adomah to the right.
Jedinak will obviously start after his good cameo today.
I can see Onomah being taken out given he struggled today but PNE are a team who press and have great workrate so we need some legs in the middle.
Davis will start aswell. Jedinak and Davis in for Snodgrass and Kodjia.
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scored a very good goal last night
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IMO Snoddy needs to do lot more. He is capable of owning this league but so far he has been rather underwhelming.
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Another good game. Love his determination and just how much he wants to play and win.
Is he a loan with an option to buy I wonder?
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Another good game. Love his determination and just how much he wants to play and win.
Is he a loan with an option to buy I wonder?
Set up the first, just a shame he didn't take his chance and get on the scoresheet himself when he was through. I agree another good game and his attitude is excellent.
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Another good game. Love his determination and just how much he wants to play and win.
Is he a loan with an option to buy I wonder?
Almost certain an option to buy at the end of the season
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Another good game. Love his determination and just how much he wants to play and win.
Is he a loan with an option to buy I wonder?
Almost certain an option to buy at the end of the season
Excellent. If I was West Ham I would be regretting shipping him out on loan right about now.
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We have midfielders that aren’t outstanding but work really hard all game. They defend and they try and create and score. It’s made a massive difference for us this season where our very best forward has been injured pretty much throughout.
What I’ve enjoyed about Snodgrass is that he’s a grafter and he encourages others. A bit like Terry having that experience even when we don’t play well is absolutely invaluable.
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Another good game. Love his determination and just how much he wants to play and win.
Is he a loan with an option to buy I wonder?
Almost certain an option to buy at the end of the season
Perhaps things will be different with their change of manager.
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Another good game. Love his determination and just how much he wants to play and win.
Is he a loan with an option to buy I wonder?
Hmmm...I will repeat words of my post above yours.
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We have midfielders that aren’t outstanding but work really hard all game. They defend and they try and create and score. It’s made a massive difference for us this season where our very best forward has been injured pretty much throughout.
What I’ve enjoyed about Snodgrass is that he’s a grafter and he encourages others. A bit like Terry having that experience even when we don’t play well is absolutely invaluable.
Agreed. Without wanting to get too wanky he also has that "fire" you know? He gets in the faces of opposition players, tries to fire up the villa fans, loves to wind up opposition fans (QPR he thrived on the abuse), is clearly and obviously pissed off beyond all recognition when he is subbed (even if injured). Most of all he just bloody well LOVES playing football and it shows.
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Another good game. Love his determination and just how much he wants to play and win.
Is he a loan with an option to buy I wonder?
Hmmm...I will repeat words of my post above yours.
I think he's been better in the last 3-4 games. I was very disappointed with him for the first month.
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Another good game. Love his determination and just how much he wants to play and win.
Is he a loan with an option to buy I wonder?
Hmmm...I will repeat words of my post above yours.
I think he's been better in the last 3-4 games. I was very disappointed with him for the first month.
He’d not played much for a good while though, had he?
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Great cross for the first goal
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Another good game. Love his determination and just how much he wants to play and win.
Is he a loan with an option to buy I wonder?
Hmmm...I will repeat words of my post above yours.
I think he's been better in the last 3-4 games. I was very disappointed with him for the first month.
He’d not played much for a good while though, had he?
Oh indeed, I think there's plenty of reasons for it, but it was still a little worrying. As I've said before, one of things that really bothers me about Villa is how often we buy experienced players and they take 7-8 games to settle in, that really shouldn't be the case as often as it is.
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Snodgrass will do well for us this season and I am not averse to making it permanent if we go up. He takes it seriously.
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Snodgrass will do well for us this season and I am not averse to making it permanent if we go up. He takes it seriously.
You almost make it seem that to be successful we need players with a winning mentality who actually give a shit. That's crazy talk and not the modern Villa way.
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I always think that when I hear about players "giving 100%" like we should be greatful they've done that.
Mind you, after the 2015/16 season we maybe should be grateful!
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I also do not like to hear praise for "putting a shift in". They bloody well should anyway. But there is a difference between hard work and it meaning something to you. And it does with him.
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I also do not like to hear praise for "putting a shift in". They bloody well should anyway. But there is a difference between hard work and it meaning something to you. And it does with him.
Ahh, the Brett Holman conundrum.. running for the sake of running without adding anything to the game.
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I also do not like to hear praise for "putting a shift in". They bloody well should anyway. But there is a difference between hard work and it meaning something to you. And it does with him.
Ahh, the Brett Holman conundrum.. running for the sake of running without adding anything to the game.
I don't think you can level that at Snodgrass. Holman was, however, shit.
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I also do not like to hear praise for "putting a shift in". They bloody well should anyway. But there is a difference between hard work and it meaning something to you. And it does with him.
Ahh, the Brett Holman conundrum.. running for the sake of running without adding anything to the game.
I don't think you can level that at Snodgrass. Holman was, however, shit.
We have replaced Holman with Bjarnason though, so we've got that covered in the squad.
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Specifically on Snodgrass he reminds me of Milner in that he's a solid 7 out of 10 in every way but is completely unwilling to accept it and through sheer force of will he manages to be better than he should be.
That's not meant as a criticism of either of them, I think it's a fantastic attitude to have.
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Specifically on Snodgrass he reminds me of Milner in that he's a solid 7 out of 10 in every way but is completely unwilling to accept it and through sheer force of will he manages to be better than he should be.
That's not meant as a criticism of either of them, I think it's a fantastic attitude to have.
That's a fair shout actually, and is a nice balance to have in your widemen. The out and out flair one, and the less naturally talented but perhaps harder working one. Similar in some ways to Young and Milner.
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Snodgrass looked a lot sharper on Tuesday than he did before the international break. Hopefully over his injury now.
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I also do not like to hear praise for "putting a shift in". They bloody well should anyway. But there is a difference between hard work and it meaning something to you. And it does with him.
Ahh, the Brett Holman conundrum.. running for the sake of running without adding anything to the game.
I don't think you can level that at Snodgrass. Holman was, however, shit.
Better than Tonev and Hogan.
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Another good game. Love his determination and just how much he wants to play and win.
Is he a loan with an option to buy I wonder?
Hmmm...I will repeat words of my post above yours.
I think he's been better in the last 3-4 games. I was very disappointed with him for the first month.
Agree with this
At Preston he had an assist and a goal but was still pretty crap for majority of the game - has certainly looked sharper lately but my jury is still out
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Specifically on Snodgrass he reminds me of Milner in that he's a solid 7 out of 10 in every way but is completely unwilling to accept it and through sheer force of will he manages to be better than he should be.
That's not meant as a criticism of either of them, I think it's a fantastic attitude to have.
I like this analogy. I was a massive fan of Milner and was pleased when we signed Snodgrass - I think he'll have a big impact on our season.
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Snodgrass is a funny one. In his first few matches, well most of them actually, I thought he came across like he thought playing in this league was beneath him. And I don't like players dictating where they play, either, and we seem to be pandering to his desire to play on the right whereas I think if we swapped him and Albert over a few times a match, they might be even more dangerous.
However, he did impress me on Tuesday, and he had a great game on Saturday by all accounts. He has a bit of quality and a desire to beat people that sets him apart from most on this league. At times, he's still a bit 'Downing' in the tackle in my opinion, but he seems to be working harder. Great to hear he stays behind after training. Hope it continues; he's the type of player that gives us the edge over a lot of teams in this league. Him, Adomah, Jack and Onomah (in flashes) can all do things most players at this level can't. They can win us matches when we don't play well.
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Mixing it up with AA and RS on their alternative wings during a match will lead to questions being asked of their respective defenders.
Uncertainty could prove to be a useful stratagem within the game.
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Snoddy's getting increasingly effective as he improves his fitness levels and playing time. I kike him.
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Snoddy's getting increasingly effective as he improves his fitness levels and playing time. I kike him.
Steady...
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Had a slow start but he's becoming more influential by the game.
Would he be able to still do it in the premier league? Debatable but he was very good this time last year for Hull. West Ham was just a bad move.
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Sullivan has been slagging Snodgrass off saying that his kids "begged him not so sign" him. I cant see him being back at West Ham next season.
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Sullivan has been slagging Snodgrass off saying that his kids "begged him not so sign" him. I cant see him being back at West Ham next season.
But can we afford to sign him?
West Ham spent what, £10m on him I think.
Would he suit the Premier if we go up?
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Sullivan has been slagging Snodgrass off saying that his kids "begged him not so sign" him. I cant see him being back at West Ham next season.
But can we afford to sign him?
West Ham spent what, £10m on him I think.
Would he suit the Premier if we go up?
We wouldn't pay that. He's clearly not wanted there, so falls into the category of player whose parent club is grateful when a club wants to take him off their hands.
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What sort of recall clause is in this deal?
Bilic might not have wanted him, but Moyes might believe he can get a tune out of him.
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One of them players who plays better away from home. He is good carrying the ball on breaks, not as physical and robust as I thought he would be. I still think ball at feet Elmo is our best option wide right.
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continually 5 yards off the full back when we attack because he has no pace, ball crying to be put down the channel into space but we don't because he has no pace. you all getting the pattern here
while callum sits on the bench
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One of them players who plays better away from home. He is good carrying the ball on breaks, not as physical and robust as I thought he would be. I still think ball at feet Elmo is our best option wide right.
I thought Elmo looked lively when he came on yesterday. As hard as Hutton works, he hasn't got the ability to put in a decent cross into the box.
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One of them players who plays better away from home. He is good carrying the ball on breaks, not as physical and robust as I thought he would be. I still think ball at feet Elmo is our best option wide right.
I thought Elmo looked lively when he came on yesterday. As hard as Hutton works, he hasn't got the ability to put in a decent cross into the box.
Nor did Elmo yesterday. I saw at least three very poor crosses that were either straight at a Millwall player or massively over or under hit.
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It was very poor all round. Way too many mistakes from all of the outfield players. Thank goodness for Sam Johnstone. Part of it was just that we played poorly but I will concede part of it is that we have zero threat up front. Davis is shot and he provides no strength or energy to hold up play and take the pressure off the midfield and defence like he was a few weeks back.
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Jury still out for me, the odd ok performance.
I thought he would be a bigger influence at this level.
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Official scapegoat of December?
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Official scapegoat of December?
No not scapegoat - just has not been good enough apart from perhaps Barnsley and Leeds aways. As I have said he is better bringing the ball from deep e.g. breakaways. Would be perfect for the likes of Millwall who play that particular way. Can see why other managers are not taken on him.
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Leeds away he didn't do much apart from get booked and too riled by his old supporters.
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To be fair he was up for it at Leeds and his booking was harsh. His style is just not suited to our team. We have better ball carriers and again apart from a free kick against Barnsley (when he played well - no, no world beater) his "famous" dead ball antics have not really been seen.
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For me it's all about self-belief with him. He's not a great player but he really wants to be and when his confidence is up everything he tries just seems to work. The problem with it is that his belief is quite fragile and he hasn't got the pace or out and out skill to carry him through the bad patches. I likened him to Milner a few pages back and I stick by it but the key difference is that Milner does one of those confidence building things every game and goes from there, Snoddy seems to have too many games when things just don't go for him and the longer it goes on the worse he gets. If he has a bad first half you might as well take him off because he very rarely comes out and makes up for it and that's the real problem right now. As a team we've started badly (or at least had our 'bad half') for about 5-6 games in a row now and whilst the team as a whole have shown the resilience to come back from it he really hasn't. Onomah seems to suffer the same as well, if he has a poor 15-20 minute spell he disappears for the rest of the game.
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So to sum it up Paul he is basically no good.
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Overall been disappointed with snoddy. Seems to pick himself and his position within the team. Distribution generally poor, cutting infield is predictable. He knows his lack of pace would be showed up on the left when he would be expected to get to the byeline. Instead Adomah is playing on the left where he can't get to the byeline either because of his weaker left foot for crossing. What concerns me is that after 21 games our highest scoring striker is Davis with 2, because no matter who has played upfront, they are not getting the service. I know Adomah has been scoring but he has zero assists and what happens when his goals dry up? Look what happened when O Hare got to the byeline against Sunderland. Samba scored from the cut back. We need more of this, but it won't happen with Snoddy playing where he does. Loved his pass for Adomah vs Ipswich, but generally frustrated with his refusal to run into space on the right and attack it, which he did on at least 2 occasions in the first half in the same match, again his lack of pace being the issue. Time for a re-think I feel now his honeymoon period is over. Opposition teams have wised up to him.
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I worry like a few managers and with Bruce signings they feel compelled to play irrespective of form
Certainly would re think the right side with Elmo coming in and maybe Jack or O'Hare filling in or maybe something different as it aint working at moment
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I worry like a few managers and with Bruce signings they feel compelled to play irrespective of form
Certainly would re think the right side with Elmo coming in and maybe Jack or O'Hare filling in or maybe something different as it aint working at moment
Given he left his £12m striker on the bench because a kid that he hadn’t signed came in and did a better job, I don’t think that’s a fair criticism of Bruce.
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Another uninspiring performance today and why have free kicks and corners been given to him?
Nailed on to start every game though.
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Another uninspiring performance today and why have free kicks and corners been given to him?
Nailed on to start every game though.
At the expense of Hourihane. Elmo looked far better earlier in the season too.
I hope he goes back to West Ham.
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Was constantly looking to blame anyone else but himself today. Surely he is better than he is showing.
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I thought he was better, and would be better than he has been.
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Picking him unbalances the team, Albert should be on the right he should not be sacrificed so Mr. I will play where I say Snodgrass is kept happy, in case Bruce has'nt realised he is not even a Villa player and he is not good enough to make demands end off. Come May say thanks Spammers he is all yours again.
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Lacks pace, passes are often wayward, seems to run out of energy. I think any enthusiasm he had for playing for us has dissipated.
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Adomah is better on the left moving in. Snodgrass is underwhelming though. His worst away performance from on him yesterday
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Was constantly looking to blame anyone else but himself today.
I'd noticed this occasionally in other games but yesterday he was moaning / gesturing almost every time the ball wasn't played exactly how he wanted. Seemed in a right stroppy mood all game
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He is feckin half a player who only puts in a quarter of effort.
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Snodgross inbound on loan according to the Mail.
We don't need a has been on loan here denying our youngsters opportunity.
You called it.
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Discuss ?
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Not working for him. I think there's a good player in there but right now he looks shot of confidence and he's far too predictable.
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Discuss ?
Snodgrass out, O'hare in.
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Discuss ?
Snodgrass out, O'hare in.
Snodgrass out, me in.
I can’t run, I can’t tackle, I can’t head, but I can cross with my right foot.
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I hope the fact we've no money to spend is because we're hoping to sign him at the end of the season (or that it went on a loan fee). He's the type of player we need to avoid like the plague.
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Old pro on good money thing ( Snodgrass and Whelan ) isn't really looking too good. SB would get less grief if he tried a couple of youngsters who are in form for the under 23s.
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Bruce has painted himself into a corner. The codgers are his call and they're too knackered to be effective. A little more imagination and we could have been smacking teams about like the Dogheads. Instead, it's backward passes and square pegs in round holes.
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Poor again, easy for the full backs he's up against as they know he will cut inside onto his left peg.
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Crap. No wonder the hammers were happy to let him go. Needs a kick up the arse big time.
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Sadly Snoddy isn't cutting the mustard but he isn't alone in being a much vaunted player who puts on a Villa shirt and turns to shit.
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Not saying he's completely blameless but I think the stolidness of the system as a whole is making his predictable style a bigger problem than it should be. There are plenty of players who are effective at this level despite having only a handful of tricks in the bag. Think the same applies to Hourihane as well, the other player in bad form who's being picked every week.
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He’s been shit for weeks now. Looking forward to him being dropped for Green shortly
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He’s been shit for weeks now. Looking forward to him being dropped for Green shortly
I am looking forward to him being sent back to from whence he came.
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My god, was he shit yesterday >:(
I like him as a player, and can offer a whole lot more than what weve seen so far. At first, i thought it may have been a fitness thing, but we seeing the same Player West Ham fans were moaning about. Makes me wonder if his heart is still in the game. So surely, in the name of Odin, O'Hare would be a safer and better option, even from the bench!!!! >:(
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Snoddy can't be a permanent signing, he's simply not good enough
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Snoddy can't be a permanent signing, he's simply not good enough
Send him back.
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He gives the ball away but does nothing to rectify his mistake. A can't be arsed player of whom we have had more than our fair share in recent seasons.
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said from day one no pace so continually off his defender by 5 yards so when the ball is screaming to be put through into space behind the defender it cant be because of his positioning which is quite clever really as the ball is then played into his feet so it will be him playing the ball through to a willing runner hence the attack breaking down.
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Snoddy can't be a permanent signing, he's simply not good enough
Send him back.
Agree.
We looked more dangerous with Elmohamady up there.
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I might be wrong but when he had that run of games at Hull where he couldn't stop scoring, I think he was playing behind the main striker. Maybe something we should try.
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I might be wrong but when he had that run of games at Hull where he couldn't stop scoring, I think he was playing behind the main striker. Maybe something we should try.
He seemed to score a lot from free kicks.
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Shite.
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Every free kick hits the defensive wall. Can we try something or someone else for a change
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Glad he is only on loan and not millions wasted on this has been. Shit set pieces, and slow like a lot of the midfield.
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How much did West Ham spunk on this player?
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I think Bruce lost a large part of the dressing room some time ago, and its why we see his reliance on "his" favoured few, whilst others dont get a look in, or become "injured" so cant play. Snodgrass just reflects our managers mindset and the small world in which his head exists in!!
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it's no coincidence that WHU and Stoke wanted rid of the players Bruce was desperate to get - they're crap.
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Snodgrass - flatter to deceive. Without the flattery or ability to deceive.
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How much did West Ham spunk on this player?
£10m
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Hopeless yesterday again. In the second half Grealish delivered a lovely cross to the back post yesterday. If Snodgrass had shown an ounce of gumption to get ahead of the full back it was a tap in. A poor man's Carles Gil.
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I see Snodgrass picked himself for yesterday's game and will probably do so again next Saturday. How weak are our management and coaching staff, that an out of form loaner from West spam can pick himself in the starting line-up, dictate where he wants to play and the formation and tactics that he thinks best suit him, affecting the balance of the team as a consequence? Send him back asap!!!
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Hopeless yesterday again. In the second half Grealish delivered a lovely cross to the back post yesterday. If Snodgrass had shown an ounce of gumption to get ahead of the full back it was a tap in. A poor man's Carles Gil.
Lacked gumption and also the desire to get there. It kind of encapsulated in one move our evening.
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I can't say I've been overly impressed with him. Maybe he would look better playing behind the striker but failing that, hopefully Adomah's injury is not too serious and Green can come in, giving us the pace we need.
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I can't say I've been overly impressed with him. Maybe he would look better playing behind the striker but failing that, hopefully Adomah's injury is not too serious and Green can come in, giving us the pace we need.
I agree Clampy. Hopefully we can get a target man striker in the window and then one of Snodgrass, Hourihane, Grealish or O'Hare should play off them if we decide to play that way. We need pace out wide.
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Snodgrass should be sent back to West Ham ...... the only time he looks interested is when he gets taken off and then sulks .......... he does not seem to have a clue how to be a wide player as he simply drifts infield leaving us with no option out there. He will be costing us a lot in wages and I would prefer this be saved or used elsewhere and one of the younger players given a run
It is almost a time to look towards next season and FFP will hit us badly and we need to know now who is upto the standard
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Yes he's pretty much utter shit isn't he.
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Snodgrass should be sent back to West Ham ...... the only time he looks interested is when he gets taken off and then sulks .......... he does not seem to have a clue how to be a wide player as he simply drifts infield leaving us with no option out there. He will be costing us a lot in wages and I would prefer this be saved or used elsewhere and one of the younger players given a run
It is almost a time to look towards next season and FFP will hit us badly and we need to know now who is upto the standard
I don't really see what he offers but the point about him coming infield is something that needs to be levied against Bruce really, for playing him on his weaker side. I've not seen him play on the left yet and he's said before that he likes to play either on the left or behind the strikers.
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Snodgrass should be sent back to West Ham ...... the only time he looks interested is when he gets taken off and then sulks .......... he does not seem to have a clue how to be a wide player as he simply drifts infield leaving us with no option out there. He will be costing us a lot in wages and I would prefer this be saved or used elsewhere and one of the younger players given a run
It is almost a time to look towards next season and FFP will hit us badly and we need to know now who is upto the standard
I don't really see what he offers but the point about him coming infield is something that needs to be levied against Bruce really, for playing him on his weaker side. I've not seen him play on the left yet and he's said before that he likes to play either on the left or behind the strikers.
Snodgrass wants to play on the right. Said as much when he joined. West Ham won't get much back of their 10m for him.
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I thought he said just the opposite?
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I thought he said just the opposite?
Unfortunately not, https://www.google.ie/amp/www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/robert-snodgrass-knew-west-ham-11077724.amp
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I have a bit more sympathy for Bilic now.
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I have a bit more sympathy for Bilic now.
Agree.
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The only sympathy I have for Billc is having to work under Sullivan and Gold.
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and Brady
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Really good player for us at the moment.
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Yes he was excellent.
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He's obviously a first class player, but he sometimes looks uninterested to me,.
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He played really well tonight and kept his cool under provocation. Well done and long may it continue
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The whip he has on his crosses is vicious. And good to see he and the rest of the team are now figuring out how best to get the ball into Hogan. A work in progress for sure, but that's why you pay big money for a striker. He's a tremendous asset when used correctly.
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Not that long ago a lot of fans were calling for him to be dropped
He’s too good for this level. Excellent today
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I have been a strong critic of his, but he now looks the player we hoped he would be, so I am glad to eat my words.
‘Nouse’ is very important at this stage and he, Terry, Chester and even Whelan have loads of it which should keep us in good stead at this critical time of the season.
He also came over very, very well when interviewed on Sky after the Forest game.
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Should be the first player we sign if we go up.
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Should be the first player we sign if we go up.
Second after Sam Johnstone
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"Hit a cross like you'd hit a shot". So said a mate I played with years back. I've only seen the brief highlights of today, but it would appear Snodgrass appreciates this nugget of advice. His deliveries of late certainly have a punch about them.
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Should be the first player we sign if we go up.
Second after Sam Johnstone
I disagree on both, they've done well but I'm far from convinced that Johnstone is ready for that level and We need pace out wide in the premier league so the 6-7m we'd have to pay for Snodgrass wouldn't be the best use, despite him doing a great job for us in this league. I think Adomah would need replacing as well.
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Not that long ago a lot of fans were calling for him to be dropped
He’s too good for this level. Excellent today
I was one of them because he was predictable, lethargic and seemed disinterested. V Boro, Bristol City and today he was anything but. I like anything but - he should keep it up.
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Sam Johnstone is only going to get better. Keepers don’t mature until their late 20’s. He’s got tremendous potential. I’d sign him permanently as a priority.
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Sam Johnstone is only going to get better. Keepers don’t mature until their late 20’s. He’s got tremendous potential. I’d sign him permanently as a priority.
Me too.
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Sam Johnstone is only going to get better. Keepers don’t mature until their late 20’s. He’s got tremendous potential. I’d sign him permanently as a priority.
Me too.
With the right coaching. Hopefully with Villa.
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I would sign him if we get up. Agree we need more pace, but I would offer 4-5m and let West Ham sweat on it, they will accept in the end. Although Moyes might want to keep him. We need to sign 2 strong, powerful pacey forwards come the summer, but will still need Adomah and Snodgrass as options. Benteke would do a job on the end of his crosses.
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Sam Johnstone is only going to get better. Keepers don’t mature until their late 20’s. He’s got tremendous potential. I’d sign him permanently as a priority.
Me too.
With the right coaching. Hopefully with Villa.
I'm just not sure, he's a good shot stopper but his distribution isn't great and he makes me nervous at crosses still. If he'd been on a free then I'd have gone for it and then signed another keeper to compete with him but if we have to pay 4-5m (which I suspect will be the case) he really has to be first choice, at least until January, and I think that's a big risk.
It's the same with Snodgrass really, I just think he'll end up costing a lot more than I'd want to pay and he's got no sell-on value. One of the biggest problems we had after MON left was that he'd filled the squad with players like that which was crippling us on wages and leaving us with no option but to take the money for the players we could sell.
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I’ve seen a story saying Moyes wants him back but we’ve told them to feck off as we paid a £2m loan fee for him.
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I’ve seen a story saying Moyes wants him back but we’ve told them to feck off as we paid a £2m loan fee for him.
Sounds about right, if we paid a loan fee, and I imagine it will have been 1-2m, then they have not got a leg to stand on.
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I wasn't sold on Snoddy at all but he's proved me wrong in the past few weeks. Sustaining this improved form, - and Hogan's - is vital to our promotion ambitions, especially with Kodjia out for the rest of the season.
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He certainly knows how to win a free kick. Very Barry Hole like for those elderly posters.
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There's something a bit Milner about him.
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Not that long ago a lot of fans were calling for him to be dropped
He’s too good for this level. Excellent today
I was one of them because he was predictable, lethargic and seemed disinterested. V Boro, Bristol City and today he was anything but. I like anything but - he should keep it up.
Agree with this entirely hope he keeps it up
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There's something a bit Milner about him.
I beat you to that comparison by about a month. As i said, it's the mentality.
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Feck off Moyes! After the treatment Snoddy received at your club, he won't want to go back there in a hurry!
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I suppose it is the Express reporting this - the same rag who said Johnstone was signing for the baggies!
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Bloody glad West Ham stupidly didn't put a recall clause in the deal. Although I imagine that would have significantly reduced the fee we paid.
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Sam Johnstone is only going to get better. Keepers don’t mature until their late 20’s. He’s got tremendous potential. I’d sign him permanently as a priority.
I would love it if we could sign Sam and Snoddy on permanent deals that would be brilliant for us I agree with you Toronto Villa he's only going to get better.
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If we go up I'd like to get both, particularly Johnstone. If we don't go up I doubt they'll be here next season.
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There's something a bit Milner about him.
I beat you to that comparison by about a month. As i said, it's the mentality.
Very much so. Very hard working, competitive, quality delivery. I always thought he would be excellent for us this season. I don't think he's ever been as bad as some of the criticism in the early days suggested, but now he seems well settled in and fully fit he really is making a difference.
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There's something a bit Milner about him.
I beat you to that comparison by about a month. As i said, it's the mentality.
Very much so. Very hard working, competitive, quality delivery. I always thought he would be excellent for us this season. I don't think he's ever been as bad as some of the criticism in the early days suggested, but now he seems well settled in and fully fit he really is making a difference.
When we had the midfield playing deeper he wasn't quick enough to get away from players and with him cutting inside as well it meant we were far too slow and teams were handling him easily. Now we're higher up the pitch and he can take 1 touch and cross he's far harder to control and we're seeing the benefit.
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Except for the last few weeks he has been underwhelming..
The criticism until then was completely justified.
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Except for the last few weeks he has been underwhelming..
The criticism until then was completely justified.
It's all about opinions. I think he has generally worked really hard all season and been one of our better players in many games before the last few weeks.
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Except for the last few weeks he has been underwhelming..
The criticism until then was completely justified.
His stats are pretty good in his time here.
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https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/aston-villa/2018/01/25/robert-snodgrass-aston-villa-must-keep-going-for-the-jugular-in-promotion-race/
Interesting they had a chat after the Brentford game. Love his attitude.
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The Scottish Kaka.
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I was a critic of the Elmo/snoddy combo but it does seem to be working better now
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Except for the last few weeks he has been underwhelming..
The criticism until then was completely justified.
His stats are pretty good in his time here.
Who Scored stats
Tournament Apps Mins Goals Assists Yel Red SpG PS% Aerials Won MotM Rating
Championship 22(1)1838 5 8 5 1.9 70.7 1.4 5 7.38
SpG - shots per game
PS% - pass success percentage
5 MOTM performances given out of 22 games
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He started well, had a harder time of it in December and has been superb since Brentford, since he had Grealish inside him.
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Since Agnew come Grealish, Snodgrass and Hogan look a lot more effective.
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He started well, had a harder time of it in December and has been superb since Brentford, since he had Grealish inside him.
(http://thumb.ibb.co/dCL4uG/ooh.jpg) (http://ibb.co/dCL4uG)
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he he he, I wish I'd intended that rather than just being far too tired to even notice.
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He started well, had a harder time of it in December and has been superb since Brentford, since he had Grealish inside him.
(http://thumb.ibb.co/dCL4uG/ooh.jpg) (http://ibb.co/dCL4uG)
I'm pleased to say I thought the same thing but didn't pull that face.
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Except for the last few weeks he has been underwhelming..
The criticism until then was completely justified.
His stats are pretty good in his time here.
Who Scored stats
Tournament Apps Mins Goals Assists Yel Red SpG PS% Aerials Won MotM Rating
Championship 22(1)1838 5 8 5 1.9 70.7 1.4 5 7.38
SpG - shots per game
PS% - pass success percentage
5 MOTM performances given out of 22 games
What did they look like before the Bristol City game?
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Maybe it is linked to the fact that he missed pre season and only now getting sharp
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No player is gonna play well in every single game. Snodgrass has had ups and downs at Villa, but mainly ups.
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He's been excellent recently. His crosses are arguably the most deadly since Stan was at the club. And the relationship he's built with Hogan is very encouraging.
The one thing that has fucked me off about Villa sides in the recent past is that we just don't work hard enough. If there's one thing we've seen lately is that we work very hard and Snodgrass runs all day for the cause.
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He didn't always over impress me in the first part of the season but one thing he's given us is balance. I like his attitude as well. A decent signing by Bruce I'd say.
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I could place this question on several threads, but here goes: what credit should go to Agnew for the apparent attitude, fitness and gamestyle shifts that we’ve seen recently?
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He’s definitely improved of late
But the criticism of Snodgrass is another reason to be thankful that fans don’t pick the team
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I could place this question on several threads, but here goes: what credit should go to Agnew for the apparent attitude, fitness and gamestyle shifts that we’ve seen recently?
We are set up differently in attack, we are pushin Grealish and Hourihane further up the pitch with and without the ball.
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He's been excellent recently. His crosses are arguably the most deadly since Stan was at the club. And the relationship he's built with Hogan is very encouraging.
The one thing that has fucked me off about Villa sides in the recent past is that we just don't work hard enough. If there's one thing we've seen lately is that we work very hard and Snodgrass runs all day for the cause.
I agree. He lacked sharpness at the start of the season, but even then he seemed to me to be working hard.
I really like him and have always been convinced he would be a key player for us this season.
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He's been excellent recently. His crosses are arguably the most deadly since Stan was at the club. And the relationship he's built with Hogan is very encouraging.
The one thing that has fucked me off about Villa sides in the recent past is that we just don't work hard enough. If there's one thing we've seen lately is that we work very hard and Snodgrass runs all day for the cause.
I agree. He lacked sharpness at the start of the season, but even then he seemed to me to be working hard.
I really like him and have always been convinced he would be a key player for us this season.
Its no coincidence that fans of every club hes been at absolutely love him. The RS that came here was not match fit, lacking sharpness and looked like his confidence was shot. Thankfully Bruce knows better than our FIFA fans and kept faith with this guy because he is the real deal - Quality, a real football brain, hard working and a good engine. He is bringing the best out of those around him as well - hourihane, grealish, hutton, bjarnesson are all linking well with him. Not ashamed to say i couldnt see what the fuss was about when he first played but he really is a fantastic bit of business by our management
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He's been excellent recently. His crosses are arguably the most deadly since Stan was at the club. And the relationship he's built with Hogan is very encouraging.
The one thing that has fucked me off about Villa sides in the recent past is that we just don't work hard enough. If there's one thing we've seen lately is that we work very hard and Snodgrass runs all day for the cause.
I agree. He lacked sharpness at the start of the season, but even then he seemed to me to be working hard.
I really like him and have always been convinced he would be a key player for us this season.
Its no coincidence that fans of every club hes been at absolutely love him. The RS that came here was not match fit, lacking sharpness and looked like his confidence was shot. Thankfully Bruce knows better than our FIFA fans and kept faith with this guy because he is the real deal - Quality, a real football brain, hard working and a good engine. He is bringing the best out of those around him as well - hourihane, grealish, hutton, bjarnesson are all linking well with him. Not ashamed to say i couldnt see what the fuss was about when he first played but he really is a fantastic bit of business by our management
More than a hint of hypocrisy there.
Early doors he was dreadful. The Robert Snodgrass we saw against Forest at home was one of the most unfit professional footballers I've ever seen. He literally couldn't run after about 60 minutes. So I don't think it's fair to slag the fans off for pointing that out.
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Early doors he was dreadful. The Robert Snodgrass we saw against Forest at home was one of the most unfit professional footballers I've ever seen. He literally couldn't run after about 60 minutes. So I don't think it's fair to slag the fans off for pointing that out.
Absolutely. He was bloody awful for a while, and got called out for it. Perfectly acceptable.
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Early doors he was dreadful. The Robert Snodgrass we saw against Forest at home was one of the most unfit professional footballers I've ever seen. He literally couldn't run after about 60 minutes. So I don't think it's fair to slag the fans off for pointing that out.
Absolutely. He was bloody awful for a while, and got called out for it. Perfectly acceptable.
Completely agree.
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Wonderful goal today.
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Superb Finish.
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That’s at least a couple of match winners now, and you can see he cares and hates losing. looking like a very astute signing from Bruce
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Took a while to get going but he's a quality player at this level.
Let's not forget just over a year ago he was playing well for Hull in the premier league and scoring screamers most weeks.
Only issue with signing him permanently is his age.
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Took a while to get going but he's a quality player at this level.
Let's not forget just over a year ago he was playing well for Hull in the premier league and scoring screamers most weeks.
Only issue with signing him permanently is his age.
The last line is why I'm not sure what we should do in the summer (if we go up). He's a very good player who fits the club well but he's going t be 31 early next season and I can't imagine West Ham letting him leave cheap so it's £7-8m with no chance of a return again and those sort of deals have stung us far too many times in the last few years.
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Is there any chance that Moyse will take him back in this window?
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Is there any chance that Moyse will take him back in this window?
I think it's been confirmed he can't
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Took a while to get going but he's a quality player at this level.
Let's not forget just over a year ago he was playing well for Hull in the premier league and scoring screamers most weeks.
Only issue with signing him permanently is his age.
The last line is why I'm not sure what we should do in the summer (if we go up). He's a very good player who fits the club well but he's going t be 31 early next season and I can't imagine West Ham letting him leave cheap so it's £7-8m with no chance of a return again and those sort of deals have stung us far too many times in the last few years.
I think Sullivan is on record as saying something along the lines of him being his worst signing for West Ham so I doubt he can get away with asking for too much.
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Took a while to get going but he's a quality player at this level.
Let's not forget just over a year ago he was playing well for Hull in the premier league and scoring screamers most weeks.
Only issue with signing him permanently is his age.
The last line is why I'm not sure what we should do in the summer (if we go up). He's a very good player who fits the club well but he's going t be 31 early next season and I can't imagine West Ham letting him leave cheap so it's £7-8m with no chance of a return again and those sort of deals have stung us far too many times in the last few years.
I think Sullivan is on record as saying something along the lines of him being his worst signing for West Ham so I doubt he can get away with asking for too much.
The problem is teams will have seen his performances with us so the value is still there and that bunch of arseholes aren't going to do us any favours.
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True.
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The unpalatable reality is that £8m is a bargain in the Premier League.
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I'd take him for 3-4m.
8m though and yes that's another one we'd have to write off after a couple of years. He's also had bad injuries in last few years so that's another worry.
At this level though, excellent without question.
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Looks like he should be sat on a toadstool in a garden with a fishing rod in his hand, but has a foot like a magic wand.
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I can’t think the last player we had who took a better set piece?
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I can’t think the last player we had who took a better set piece?
Ashley Westwood? 😂
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There is a buy clause for £5 million I am pretty sure. It was reported in the press this week in a few places. If he relied on pace I would say nah, too old. But he doesn't at all, and there are plenty of 32-33 year olds doing very well in the premier league. For 2 seasons I think he would be one of those that would score 4-5 winners over a season and pull in 12-15 points on his own. That is before his assists, work rate and attitude are taken into account. Signing him will be the second easiest decision Bruce has to make after going up. Signing Johnstone will be the easiest.
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I can’t think the last player we had who took a better set piece?
Ashley Westwood? 😂
Ah Mr Floaty Corner. Does he ever play for Burnley?
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I can’t think the last player we had who took a better set piece?
Ashley Westwood? 😂
Ah Mr Floaty Corner. Does he ever play for Burnley?
Was in London today with a business partner who is a big Burnley fan. Doesn’t rate Westwood at all and thinks they were robbed.
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He barely plays for them.
Lowton on the other hand in a more defensive system and patience has started to look a pretty decent full back for them although he's not in the team atm.
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I can’t think the last player we had who took a better set piece?
Ashley Westwood? 😂
Ah Mr Floaty Corner. Does he ever play for Burnley?
Was in London today with a business partner who is a big Burnley fan. Doesn’t rate Westwood at all and thinks they were robbed.
When I look back at great pieces of business by the club specific to selling players, the money we got for Downing and Westwood will always be highly ranked in my book. Such a vanilla player who does literally nothing of note every game.
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There is a buy clause for £5 million I am pretty sure. It was reported in the press this week in a few places. If he relied on pace I would say nah, too old. But he doesn't at all, and there are plenty of 32-33 year olds doing very well in the premier league. For 2 seasons I think he would be one of those that would score 4-5 winners over a season and pull in 12-15 points on his own. That is before his assists, work rate and attitude are taken into account. Signing him will be the second easiest decision Bruce has to make after going up. Signing Johnstone will be the
Unfortunately the better Johnstone performs for us the less likely I fear that Man Utd will be to release him,especially with the annual De Gea returning to Spain issue and Johnstone being 10 years his junior.
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There is a buy clause for £5 million I am pretty sure. It was reported in the press this week in a few places. If he relied on pace I would say nah, too old. But he doesn't at all, and there are plenty of 32-33 year olds doing very well in the premier league. For 2 seasons I think he would be one of those that would score 4-5 winners over a season and pull in 12-15 points on his own. That is before his assists, work rate and attitude are taken into account. Signing him will be the second easiest decision Bruce has to make after going up. Signing Johnstone will be the easiest.
£5m is about as much as i'd be comfortable with us spending on him. A big part of the reason why we have FFP problems and why we were spending 15-20m a season and going backwards is that far too many players were leaving us for nothing after a big fee and big wages.
I'm still not as convinced by Johnstone as most. He's a very good shot stopper but he's not commanding enough and his distribution is poor. If it was a free again he'd be worth picking up and then if we have to replace him after 6 months we've got a solid backup that hasn't cost us much. I'm not sure you can turn your back on a £5m player who's been a key part of promotion so quickly.
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Snodgrass’ talent, experience, leadership, determination and attitude will be absolutely invaluable in the PL. Worth every penny if it is £5m given the stupid fees being paid today.
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There is a buy clause for £5 million I am pretty sure. It was reported in the press this week in a few places. If he relied on pace I would say nah, too old. But he doesn't at all, and there are plenty of 32-33 year olds doing very well in the premier league. For 2 seasons I think he would be one of those that would score 4-5 winners over a season and pull in 12-15 points on his own. That is before his assists, work rate and attitude are taken into account. Signing him will be the second easiest decision Bruce has to make after going up. Signing Johnstone will be the
Unfortunately the better Johnstone performs for us the less likely I fear that Man Utd will be to release him,especially with the annual De Gea returning to Spain issue and Johnstone being 10 years his junior.
Man. United have Romero and also a younger Portugese keeper called Periera who Mourinho rates highly.
They'd likely go and sign an elite keeper if De Gea left.
Sam isn't getting a sniff there realistically.
Proved me wrong, he didn't impress me hugely in his loan last year so I wasn't that convinced by him coming back but he's been excellent and a real difference maker in games.
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Right now he’s reminding me of a young Joe Hart.
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Right now he’s reminding me of a young Joe Hart.
Me too, that's why I'm a bit nervous about being too gushing about him because he has the same weaknesses that Hart has never managed to fix.
I'm probably coming across as overly negative about him here, I think he's a great shot stopper and has been essential to our form recently, but I also think he's made silly mistakes at times and that those would be targeted by better teams.
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Right now he’s reminding me of a young Joe Hart.
Me too, that's why I'm a bit nervous about being too gushing about him because he has the same weaknesses that Hart has never managed to fix.
I'm probably coming across as overly negative about him here, I think he's a great shot stopper and has been essential to our form recently, but I also think he's made silly mistakes at times and that those would be targeted by better teams.
He’s very young and goalkeepers don’t mature until their late 20’s. So he’s going to get better if he keeps working at his game. And I would argue he’s done just that and cut down on a lot of the mistakes we saw last year. For the most part he’s been very solid this season.
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He's an obvious one to sign up if we go up.
Knows the club and team mates, young so can improve further and I honestly don't think he'd cost the earth.
Add an experienced premier league number 2 to take over if he finds week in week out premier league difficult and that should be our keeper department properly sorted.
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I like him. Hes a proper pro, watch how when under pressure, how he buys a free kick to relieve it. Not divng, but putting his body in position where a free kick is the likely outcome.
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His winner last night was made all the more impressive by the fact that he'd taken a kick/knock 10 mins earlier, stayed down for a while (despite not getting a deserved free kick) and I thought then his night was over.
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My first thought when I see him is always that, if I was playing against him, he would be one of those players who I would think, 'I'd rather he was on our team'. He holds the ball so well, rarely gives it away, has good delivery and is solid in everything. He's a good player.
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Snoddy's another one I would really like to sign permanently he's been different class for us.
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Id be very surprised if we go up and he doesn't sign. It's possible he might sign anyway.
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I can’t think the last player we had who took a better set piece?
He's not even the best free kick taker in the current squad. I'd have Hourihane taking free kicks over Snodgrass every time.
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Has really turned it around since the winner at Boro.
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He has a lot of talent. I love the view of that goal when he is running at the defender, ball at his feet, watching the defender rather than the ball before he finally looks at placing it in the far corner. Class act and delivering.
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Why can’t he be more like Arjen Robben🤐
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I'm still celebrating his pass for Albert on Saturday. A thing of pure joy. Not only did he show the power, energy, skill and determination to get things moving, he then delivered one of the greatest passes I've seen from a Villa player since Gordon Sidney Cowans owned Villa Park.
We often talk about not wanting players coming in on loan but in the case of Snodgrass I'm struggling to think of a player that's come in and shown such dedication for the cause. He's absolutely loving it and it shows.
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I'm still celebrating his pass for Albert on Saturday. A thing of pure joy. Not only did he show the power, energy, skill and determination to get things moving, he then delivered one of the greatest passes I've seen from a Villa player since Gordon Sidney Cowans owned Villa Park.
We often talk about not wanting players coming in on loan but in the case of Snodgrass I'm struggling to think of a player that's come in and shown such dedication for the cause. He's absolutely loving it and it shows.
That pass was incredible, I agree, up there with the best.
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he certainly seemed to be lapping up the chanting from the Holte when he was taking one particular corner
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I'm still celebrating his pass for Albert on Saturday. A thing of pure joy. Not only did he show the power, energy, skill and determination to get things moving, he then delivered one of the greatest passes I've seen from a Villa player since Gordon Sidney Cowans owned Villa Park.
We often talk about not wanting players coming in on loan but in the case of Snodgrass I'm struggling to think of a player that's come in and shown such dedication for the cause. He's absolutely loving it and it shows.
That pass was incredible, I agree, up there with the best.
It's not had nearly enough press. That was a beautiful goal all round and the pass was the creamy centre. It's not the first time he's done it this season either, but I'm struggling to think of many better than that in my 28 years supporting the Villa.
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We need to find a way to sign this bloke permanently. His work rate, let alone his talent is making him in a very popular player at the club. Get us promoted and he’ll be edging into cult hero status if he’s not already there.
Simply brilliant today.
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I really think he’s enjoying his football at the moment and loves being at the Villa. Hope he stays.
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I really think he’s enjoying his football at the moment and loves being at the Villa. Hope he stays.
I'm really enjoying his football and love him being at the Villa. His delivery is right up there with the best I've seen, look at the ball in for Whelan's goal again, undefendable.
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he's always provided an abundance of assists for people and it's refreshing to see that continue in a Villa shirt - how many times have people who have done it before come to us and turned to shit -
Ross Mac being a very expensive example.
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He’s been excellent. Not as naturally skilful as Adomah perhaps, but his work rate and the quality of his balls into dangerous areas have been exceptional.
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One hell of a performance today.
When I played there was the odd player that could get the game by the scruff of the neck.
Snodgrass did that today..
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He's got the Petrov arse for winning us free kicks when we need them.
The fact the opposition fans hate him is brilliant.
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He is an absolute pest, but he is our absolute pest. Love it.
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The fact the opposition fans hate him is brilliant.
I think was the reason he insisted in taking the penalty, just to piss them off more.
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The commentator on AVTV said I don’t know what the penalty was for, hilarious.
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our player of the season for me, he's involved in a massive amount of our goals.
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He gets body checked.
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It was wonderful to watch them getting absolutely irate about the referee and the fact that 90% of the free kicks were fouls on Snodgrass just riled them even further. The penalty was the icing on the cake. Much chuntering and growling from the Wendy’s on my walk back to the car. Ha
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there's a whole thread on Owlstalk dedicated to Snoddy - including a caller to a local radio show who called him a cut on air. Classy.
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Fair play to snoddy he is earning his wages.
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He is an absolute pest, but he is our absolute pest. Love it.
You wanted him sent back to West Ham not long ago. It's all about patience with players sometimes.
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It's about time Shoddy had his own song. I suggest "the Scottish messi" in the style of Alan Huttons "the Scottish cafu"
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It's about time Shoddy had his own song. I suggest "the Scottish messi" in the style of Alan Huttons "the Scottish cafu"
Like that!
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I tried to get "the Scottish Kaka" started before, no bugger joined in. As is the case with most of my songs.
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I tried to get "the Scottish Kaka" started before, no bugger joined in. As is the case with most of my songs.
No offence cd but perhaps you're just crap at singing..
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No need to tell it like it is, mate. 😣
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No need to tell it like it is, mate. 😣
No problem. ..many times i've been singing away and my daughter has said....shut up dad you're pissed.
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It's about time Shoddy had his own song. I suggest "the Scottish messi" in the style of Alan Huttons "the Scottish cafu"
How about this, to the Top Cat theme:
Snodgrass
The unbelievable Snodgrass
He's gonna leave you all
breathless as he lines up a free-
Kick that he'll hit powerfully
Snodgrass
The unmistakable scary hairy man
He's the boss, he's the VIP, in the Championship
He's the most top class
Snodgrass
I should probably do some work...
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He is an absolute pest, but he is our absolute pest. Love it.
You wanted him sent back to West Ham not long ago. It's all about patience with players sometimes.
Hail Clampy.
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It's about time Shoddy had his own song. I suggest "the Scottish messi" in the style of Alan Huttons "the Scottish cafu"
Be my guest!
How about this, to the Top Cat theme:
Snodgrass
The unbelievable Snodgrass
He's gonna leave you all
breathless as he lines up a free-
Kick that he'll hit powerfully
Snodgrass
The unmistakable scary hairy man
He's the boss, he's the VIP, in the Championship
He's the most top class
Snodgrass
I should probably do some work...
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Sorry I’m out of practice. Quote didn’t really work did it !
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I see our boy is still winding up the Sheff Wednesday lot who still don’t seem to be taking yesterday very well
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“You’re”
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Considering this is the kind of thing they were saying after the game i'm not surprised.
And I reckon LeeB is Scott Clark on Twitter.
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What a twat.
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A quick look on Twitter and it seems young Richard has deleted his account. Silly tit.
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Love Snoddy. Such a great asset at this level.
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Considering this is the kind of thing they were saying after the game i'm not surprised.
And I reckon LeeB is Scott Clark on Twitter.
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Ha ha, just a fellow grammar wanker.
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Shagged by a bear. Actually made me laugh.
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me too. I went to college in Sheffield and believe me it was a very strange ( but like-able) place.
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why would jedi even want to shag him?
I hope we get snoody on a fulltime in the summer , can not see him wanting to go back to West ham , looks like he loves it here.
I was not quite sure about him last year but he has really settled now and he is one of our main players now , he is a leader , passionate , hard working and doing the business.
Sign him up Villa.
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I have quite a bit of man love for Snodgrass. If West Ham don't take the piss on a fee I would sign him in a heartbeat in the summer.
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I have quite a bit of man love for Snodgrass. If West Ham don't take the piss on a fee I would sign him in a heartbeat in the summer.
We need to go up to be able to do that.
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I have quite a bit of man love for Snodgrass. If West Ham don't take the piss on a fee I would sign him in a heartbeat in the summer.
We need to go up to be able to do that.
Oh, I agree.
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And I agree that I hope we get to keep him. I think he'd almost certainly want to stay.
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We get promoted and he won't be anywhere but here next season.
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I have quite a bit of man love for Snodgrass. If West Ham don't take the piss on a fee I would sign him in a heartbeat in the summer.
Me too, the same thought crossed my mind today. He's absolutely a Villa-type player in my mind, you could see him being the kind of player Ron Saunders would appreciate.
Hard working, skillful, efficient and canny. Top man.
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I agree - thousands on Owlstalk have a completely different perception!!
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I agree - thousands on Owlstalk have a completely different perception!!
Most of them are posting from under their bed with their pants on their head and two pencils up their conk. The rest are busy demanding the FA relegate us about 17 leagues or something for Snodgrass having the temerity to be hit by a runaway freight train and us being awarded a penalty.
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he getting shagged by a bear thing was interesting - when I was at college there a pub near the Crucible put on live sex shows every Friday afternoon, often involving animals and attended mainly by south Yorkshire police.
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But did anyone get shagged by a bear?
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no, not that I recall - it was mainly donkeys!
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Seeing as Snodgrass looks like the new Minister for Mirth and Merriment there is even less reason to keep this clown around.
Thought this that got posted on the Micah thread (forgive me if I missed it here before) is a great insight into his personality. Can well imagine him being a lot of fun and bringing lads together through this. A future pundit too, especially if he can make more of a name for himself in his playing days. I truly hope with us, for all right reasons.
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no, not that I recall - it was mainly donkeys!
Strangely, Nigel Pearson played for Wednesday, was a donkey, and looks like a born motorcycle traffic policeman.
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I enjoyed being in Sheffield, but it was along time ago, and I would imagine a very different place to the current city.
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I'd be happy for Snodgrass to stay so long as the fee isn't stupid. We've got a lot of work to do this summer if we're promoted and he'd be a solid choice on the right for a couple of years. I'd want another winger as well though (younger, quicker and able to go round the outside) to give us options to change things up. Because I'd be looking at signing at least 2 wingers I don't think we can afford to pay silly money for him. I problem is I suspect West Ham are looking at the season he's had and thinking they can get their money back on him, especially given the fact that Moyes probably wouldn't mind keeping him. I'm worried we'll get a fee of £10-12m to keep him and it should be more like £3-4m.
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I'd be happy for Snodgrass to stay so long as the fee isn't stupid. We've got a lot of work to do this summer if we're promoted and he'd be a solid choice on the right for a couple of years. I'd want another winger as well though (younger, quicker and able to go round the outside) to give us options to change things up. Because I'd be looking at signing at least 2 wingers I don't think we can afford to pay silly money for him. I problem is I suspect West Ham are looking at the season he's had and thinking they can get their money back on him, especially given the fact that Moyes probably wouldn't mind keeping him. I'm worried we'll get a fee of £10-12m to keep him and it should be more like £3-4m.
I'd probably go as high as £5-£6m. It would cost much more than to replace him with somebody of similar quality, but also reflects the fact that at his age this will be his last major contract and there'll be no future sell on value to him.
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I'd be happy for Snodgrass to stay so long as the fee isn't stupid. We've got a lot of work to do this summer if we're promoted and he'd be a solid choice on the right for a couple of years. I'd want another winger as well though (younger, quicker and able to go round the outside) to give us options to change things up. Because I'd be looking at signing at least 2 wingers I don't think we can afford to pay silly money for him. I problem is I suspect West Ham are looking at the season he's had and thinking they can get their money back on him, especially given the fact that Moyes probably wouldn't mind keeping him. I'm worried we'll get a fee of £10-12m to keep him and it should be more like £3-4m.
I'd probably go as high as £5-£6m. It would cost much more than to replace him with somebody of similar quality, but also reflects the fact that at his age this will be his last major contract and there'll be no future sell on value to him.
I agree, that would still be a decent deal.
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I'd be happy for Snodgrass to stay so long as the fee isn't stupid. We've got a lot of work to do this summer if we're promoted and he'd be a solid choice on the right for a couple of years. I'd want another winger as well though (younger, quicker and able to go round the outside) to give us options to change things up. Because I'd be looking at signing at least 2 wingers I don't think we can afford to pay silly money for him. I problem is I suspect West Ham are looking at the season he's had and thinking they can get their money back on him, especially given the fact that Moyes probably wouldn't mind keeping him. I'm worried we'll get a fee of £10-12m to keep him and it should be more like £3-4m.
I'd probably go as high as £5-£6m. It would cost much more than to replace him with somebody of similar quality, but also reflects the fact that at his age this will be his last major contract and there'll be no future sell on value to him.
I agree, that would still be a decent deal.
Yep, I agree with you both on this.
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It’s hard to say what’s fair these days. I would look to get the deal done early, because what looks like a lot at the start of the window can look like a bargain by the end of it.
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West Ham will want at least what they paid less theone year amortisation of his contract.
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West Ham may take a haircut of some kind, in which case we should swoop in. I see them drifting down the PL into the 'maintenance zone'. i.e. the bit where you only spend enough to avoid relly, and then it gets you.
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West Ham may take a haircut of some kind, in which case we should swoop in. I see them drifting down the PL into the 'maintenance zone'. i.e. the bit where you only spend enough to avoid relly, and then it gets you.
Good observation.
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I've been impressed with Snoddy after an indifferent start but he's 30 and we shouldn't line the pron dwarfs' pockets with too much coin for him.
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He's thirty, but his game isn't reliant on pace, so I see no reason why he can't be a good player for a few years to come.
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He’s been excellent. Not as naturally skilful as Adomah perhaps, but his work rate and the quality of his balls into dangerous areas have been exceptional.
Beckham was like that I thought.
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Another good performance from Snoddy today, he's turned out to be one hell of a consistent player at this level for us.
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He’s also a massive pain the arse for the opposing players. He really does get kicked around by just being very intelligent with the ball.
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And his attitude and will to win has been immeasurable
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Opposition fans hate him, which is usually a good sign.
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He has the desire to win that most of our players have been lacking for nearly a decade. I love him.
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He has the desire to win that most of our players have been lacking for nearly a decade. I love him.
Yep. Wasn't convinced initially but he has been brill since the New Year. Some real fire in his belly.
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It seems a bit unfair on the other 10 bloody brilliant today to single out anyone today, but once again Snoddy was an absolute star. When I think of the years we have bemoaned the lack of a player who really , really cared , and who would swear blood to win, and at last we have one . He works his bollocks off in every match but also cares enough to get angry about it, and that sheer will to win rubs off on everyone else. Take a bow Sir, you're a top , top professional. We MUST sign him next season.
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Immense character, we must sign him. He loves it here too.
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a bit lucky with the penalty shout - which is exactly what you need.
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Motm for me along with Jack. Superb performance and great dwad ball delivery.
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He's good at premier league level aswell, was excellent at Hull first half of last season. Would take if West Ham don't want stupid money.
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He's good at premier league level aswell, was excellent at Hull first half of last season. Would take if West Ham don't want stupid money.
Well if they go down it will help the price ;)
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Motm for me along with Jack. Superb performance and great dwad ball delivery.
As in 'a dosser and a dwad'? Sorry, just splidding hairs...(one for the Partridge fans)
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It seems a bit unfair on the other 10 bloody brilliant today to single out anyone today, but once again Snoddy was an absolute star. When I think of the years we have bemoaned the lack of a player who really , really cared , and who would swear blood to win, and at last we have one . He works his bollocks off in every match but also cares enough to get angry about it, and that sheer will to win rubs off on everyone else. Take a bow Sir, you're a top , top professional. We MUST sign him next season.
Right said Fred!
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He's good at premier league level aswell, was excellent at Hull first half of last season. Would take if West Ham don't want stupid money.
Well if they go down it will help the price ;)
If you want a good laugh, check out a Carrrion Bray Dee column in The Scum where she mentions the player. What an odious fuckpig of multiplicities. The Porno Dwarf Crew will need an armed guard to get into the Laaahnan Staydyum by the sound of things. Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of filthy scumbags.
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Opposition fans hate him, which is usually a good sign.
Oh they hate him, I love it, the more players the opposition hate the better, because we are obviously getting the best player....
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love Snoddy - he took a real pasting yesterday but never stopped running and contributing. If he isn't 100% fit I'd rest him on Tuesday.
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love Snoddy - he took a real pasting yesterday but never stopped running and contributing. If he isn't 100% fit I'd rest him on Tuesday.
I wouldn't. We've got to win every game - we can't fuck around resting players.
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I was totally wrong about him and made some very harsh comments on here. Loved his passion yesterday when he gave Elmohammady a right bollocking for not being on his man.
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It seems a bit unfair on the other 10 bloody brilliant today to single out anyone today, but once again Snoddy was an absolute star. When I think of the years we have bemoaned the lack of a player who really , really cared , and who would swear blood to win, and at last we have one . He works his bollocks off in every match but also cares enough to get angry about it, and that sheer will to win rubs off on everyone else. Take a bow Sir, you're a top , top professional. We MUST sign him next season.
Right said Fred!
You better explain that to kids.
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such an influential player for us. Absolutely fantastic. If we do go up he will have been one of the key reasons.
Can we keep him mom?
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His set pieces are just deadly. Best since Ash and every bit as good as Stan Staunton.
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Scotland must have some players if he doesn’t get a call up....great for us tho :-)
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Player of the season for me, I get the impression that he loves it here.
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me too, but then again I get the impression most if not all our players love it here.
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He's a leader, both by example and vocally too. Been way better than I thought he would.
Him and Grealish getting fouled all the time and being hated by the oppo are so satisfying.
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Scotland must have some players if he doesn’t get a call up....great for us tho :-)
They only have a couple of friendlies so are trying out some younger players. I expect he'll be back for the next qualifier.
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His set pieces are just deadly. Best since Ash and every bit as good as Stan Staunton.
Most assists in league 12.
7 home.
5 away.
This fk wolves one was near favourite of the season
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It seems a bit unfair on the other 10 bloody brilliant today to single out anyone today, but once again Snoddy was an absolute star. When I think of the years we have bemoaned the lack of a player who really , really cared , and who would swear blood to win, and at last we have one . He works his bollocks off in every match but also cares enough to get angry about it, and that sheer will to win rubs off on everyone else. Take a bow Sir, you're a top , top professional. We MUST sign him next season.
Right said Fred!
You better explain that to kids.
Deeply dippy bald singers who moonlighted as removal men and came unstuck trying to shift a piano.
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His set pieces are just deadly. Best since Ash and every bit as good as Stan Staunton.
Most assists in league 12.
7 home.
5 away.
This fk wolves one was near favourite of the season
League 12? WTF?
;D
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His set pieces are just deadly. Best since Ash and every bit as good as Stan Staunton.
Most assists in league 12.
7 home.
5 away.
This fk wolves one was near favourite of the season
League 12? WTF?
;D
It is where Small Heath are aspiring to be....
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He seems like a top man
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Get the feeling Moyes will want to take a look at him in pre season.
That said the owners and fans there hate him so they'd rather sell.
Would take him if we went up but not at 12m, not that anyone will give West Ham that fee.
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Get the feeling Moyes will want to take a look at him in pre season.
That said the owners and fans there hate him so they'd rather sell.
Would take him if we went up but not at 12m, not that anyone will give West Ham that fee.
Where did the figure of £12m come from?
I've only seen it on some dumbassed Facebook posts
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He's not worth 12m obviously. And if we do go up i'm really not sure he's got enough to offer at that level anyway
If we're still in the Championship i'd go as far as 6m for him if we could find that much from somewhere. If not then Green should be starting in that role come August.
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He seems like a top man
Nice footage!
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Ireally like Snodgrass and would be happy to take him regardless of where we're playing next season.
However, I think we have to be realistic if we don't make the Prem. We can't afford him, even at £6mil.
Personally, if we stay down, Grabban is the one I'd like to keep and revert to a 433 with Kodjia, Grabban, Green and Albert playing as the 3. We could even play Davis if pushed.
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That's made be chuckle that has. Snoddy must be brilliant to have in the squad.
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I agree with a lot of these sentiments
At this level, his set pieces alone are dynamite - but we can’t afford him
At perm level we can afford him but he’s very slow for a winger
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He has performed at PL level though notwithstanding the Spammers debacle.
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Good to see him back to form yesterday -still wish he'd shoot more often, though.
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These crack me up, Snodgrass on Jimmy Danger "hes got the super glue on his feet"
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I agree with a lot of these sentiments
At this level, his set pieces alone are dynamite - but we can’t afford him
At perm level we can afford him but he’s very slow for a winger
And he has a dreadful hairstyle.
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These crack me up, Snodgrass on Jimmy Danger "hes got the super glue on his feet"
On Grabban missing a chance...his beard got in the way 😃
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I wonder how Snoddy's future will be revealed?
Touch of class shown by the Brady Bunch ....
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/dumped-email-cruel-way-west-12561423
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I wonder how Snoddy's future will be revealed?
Touch of class shown by the Brady Bunch ....
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/dumped-email-cruel-way-west-12561423
Firstly, They have no class.
And secondly: as far as Collins is concerned, you live by the sword …
… he certainly has no class.
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That's made be chuckle that has. Snoddy must be brilliant to have in the squad.
Yeah I bet he’s really popular in the changing room, and I’d say £12m is the going rate for a player as good as him in the PL.
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I wonder how Snoddy's future will be revealed?
Touch of class shown by the Brady Bunch ....
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/dumped-email-cruel-way-west-12561423
Firstly, They have no class.
And secondly: as far as Collins is concerned, you live by the sword …
… he certainly has no class.
Karma.....I wonder if he's booked to appear on her show Give it a Year?
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Farewell, Snodders..
Snodgrass wrote on Instagram “Devastated to lose, we tried for you and it wasn’t enough, I am gutted we didn’t achieve our goal, but I am delighted I got the chance to play for this terrific club and thank everybody from fans players and staff from day one making me feel at home. Whatever happens, I have loved pulling on that jersey and met some great people”
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good guy but in the end close but no cigar. Onwards you Villa Boys.
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Fuck me he didn't waste any time. Could have at least waited to see if he received any better offers.
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Fuck me he didn't waste any time. Could have at least waited to see if he received any better offers.
He obviously has
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He's already got a better offer. We'll never match his West ham wages or even get close
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fair play to him. Even if we'd gone up i'm not sure we would have signed him permanently. One of those "too good for the championship, not good enough for the premier" players
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1st 3rd of season started slowly and looked unfit.
2nd 3rd of the season really became part of the team ethic. Chipped in with goals and his dead ball delivery was a real threat.
Final 3rd of the season work rate was excellent but his goal threat and delivery really dropped off.
Thanks for your help but no great loss imho
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Fuck me he didn't waste any time. Could have at least waited to see if he received any better offers.
He's a West Ham player, what was he meant to do or say?
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His loan period is up and isn’t going to be renewed. There really isn’t a reason to knock him is there?
I’m glad we had him, a proper Villa man, 100% effort, even when it wasn’t going for him.
Always felt that he knew what a privilege it was to be playing football for a living, I liked him a lot. Even if he did make a right fucking mess of that final free kick.
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Yeah he gave it everything, his late goal at Sheff Utd was one of the moments of the season.
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1st 3rd of season started slowly and looked unfit.
2nd 3rd of the season really became part of the team ethic. Chipped in with goals and his dead ball delivery was a real threat.
Final 3rd of the season work rate was excellent but his goal threat and delivery really dropped off.
Thanks for your help but no great loss imho
Bloody hell. It's fascinating how we see the game so differently especially as I generally agree with you, Hookey.
First third of the season, he was the catalyst for driving the team forward. We were still half asleep before he arrived and for me the best signing on so many levels by Bruce. Bruce knew exactly what he was going to get and I hold my hand up for doubting him. Bloody brilliant signing.
2nd 3rd of the season really became part of the team ethic? I'd say he set the work ethic. The man leaves everything on the pitch. The perfect pro and leads by example.
Final third of the season, the way he linked up with Jack was a joy to watch. The only thing I saw in the last few games that disappointed me was Snoddy coming inside far too much but I put that down to poor tactics than anything else.
For me, he's going to be the hardest player to replace, both for his skill and technique plus his wonderful determination. To get out of this shitty division we need a team of Snoddys.
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Poor game on Saturday but overall showed he's a very good player at this level. Also gave a stuff playing for us which was nice to see.
Think the Instagram post is nothing more than him knowing if we didn't go up Saturday was going to be his last game.
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Not sure he was all that. He came good but a look at this thread round November/december and there was a lot of people calling him a dud. End of the day it was a marriage of convenience. He will probably get a move from the exposure. We may have signed him if we'd gone up though you'd hope with the 160m or whatever we may have upgraded from a 30 yr old west ham reserve.. I wish him well anyway.
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Yeah he gave it everything, his late goal at Sheff Utd was one of the moments of the season.
Just thinking about that late winner has cheered me up 👍
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The goals and assists dried up when we needed them the most, but he certainly played his part this season. Clever player, but not being the quickest and being on the ‘wrong’ side didn’t always suit him. Would have been interested to see him in a more central role behind a striker as I think that position would have suited him more.
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There's a lot of things to like about him but, unlike when he was playing really well after Christmas, when the pressure came on he seemed to think that he had to be the main man to drag the team over the line and he started hold the ball far too much. By taking 3-4 touches inside every time he made us really narrow and when you add the fact that he's not really quick enough to be a proper winger and that he doesn't like swapping sides I think he played a big part in us being predictable in the 'crunch' games.
I wouldn't have kept him had we gone up and we're not getting him back again for next year so cheerio Snoddy and best of luck.
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The goals and assists dried up when we needed them the most, but he certainly played his part this season.
The same could be said to a great extent of Albert. Couldn't stop scoring then suddenly he's lucky to be in the side. Hourihane another. Tactics or poor players?
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The goals and assists dried up when we needed them the most, but he certainly played his part this season.
The same could be said to a great extent of Albert. Couldn't stop scoring then suddenly he's lucky to be in the side. Hourihane another. Tactics or poor players?
The run Albert was on was never going to be sustained. It just isn't him if you look over his career. Bruce failed to rotate an older squad and introduce more youngsters to rest up the experienced players. And it certainly didn't help that instead of dictating the play in games Bruce's tactic became one of chasing and sitting deep trying to counter. The Fulham boss was right. We are old and tired and they took advantage of it.
As for Hourihane I think he delivered exactly what was expected. He gave us a bunch of goals, some spectacular. But I think if we're being honest it's a bit of stretch as fans to think he was going to do much more than that. He's an above average Championship player and no more than a PL squad player.
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without Albert's goal haul we wouldn't have made the play offs.
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Fuck me he didn't waste any time. Could have at least waited to see if he received any better offers.
The club have been really clear that if we didn't get promotion then we'd have to let our loan players go. He knows we aren't making him an offer.
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I loved him. He had some outstanding games for us and even in his poorer games e never stopped working and was a constant thorn is the side of the opposition.
He is an extremely clever player and took loads of pressure off us by holding the ball up and winning fouls. His delivery is fantastic and always put the opposition under pressure. Add to that his positive spirit and influence in the dressing room, I think he played a huge part in our season.
Cheers Snoddy, good luck wherever you end up next season.
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I really liked him as a player on and off the pitch. Will be sad to see him go. One of the few from the last 8+ years that I've felt connected to.
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Can't really understand what happened to Green.
Was playing well start of the season, got injured, came back for the Posh game in January, didn't play great and then we haven't seen him for months.
Claims he got injured again but in some of the training pics on Terry's instagram towards end of the season he was in them.
Would've been good option to rotate in when Adomah/Snodgrass needed a breather.
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Green was injured and only came back again right at the end. Agree there was a spell earlier where he did seem to be fit but not invokved
Albert did great. He's not actually that brilliant at anything which is why I'd consider selling him. But both wingers knocked up 20 goals and assists last season
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Green has to be the man to step up and replace Snodgrass next season. He started this one brightly and definitely has the talent. He's still a bit raw but i have full confidence that in this league he can cut the proverbial mustard
Plus, playing him on the left, would free up Albert to go back on the right and give us some actual crossing from the bye line threat for once as well
I have no fears Green can step up. Ditto RHM, Davis, O'Hare and possibly Clark and Doyle Hayes as well
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Green did his hamstring quite badly. I think it was clear he wasn't up to it with the Posh game, so perhaps it was better to leave out for a lot longer rather than have recurrent problems.
I hope he features next season.
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I really liked him as a player on and off the pitch. Will be sad to see him go. One of the few from the last 8+ years that I've felt connected to.
This x 100.
My fave loan player ever!!
He make a good coach. Has a steely determination and decent professional. Seems to have learnt and appreciates his trade. Good humoured and sounded like a villa player rather than a loan. Embraced it all and good luck to him. Quality player, banter and person.
Snoddy thanks for the deliveries and thanks esp for the goal against sheff utd and making us jump and believe in the villa again.
Well played sir well played
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The goals and assists dried up when we needed them the most, but he certainly played his part this season.
The same could be said to a great extent of Albert. Couldn't stop scoring then suddenly he's lucky to be in the side. Hourihane another. Tactics or poor players?
Certainly thought Bruce could have been a bit more imaginative at times and at least swapped Adomah and Snodgrass over during games. The problem was that neither of them are the quickest and neither could really use their weaker foot. Therefore defenders knew that they would cut inside pretty much every time and it all became a bit predictable.
I would have liked to have seen Bruce look at some other options when our play off place was secured to see if he could freshen things up a bit.
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Don't get me wrong I am not criticizing him directly but I agree with Sickbeggar - there was a thread on here where many were calling for him to be taken out of the team before Christmas. Remember all the bad press about "demanding that he played on the RW with West Ham" well guess what - he never played anywhere else did he for us?
He got some really justified plaudits for his corners and whipped in free kicks - the problem was when he went off the boil (which was a good few games back) no one else got a look in and we became so one dimensional his threat was none existent.
Yes he grafted but he also lost the ball a lot by holding on to it way too long. Going forward Albert on the RW and Green on the LW would more than make up for his loss I think.
I do wish him well, especially being right behind the goal at Sheffield when his scream went in, but it is time for different tactics and different players to step up
All the best and thanks for trying
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I would have liked to have seen Bruce look at some other options when our play off place was secured to see if he could freshen things up a bit.
Too right but it appears either the U23 league and cup games were far more important or Bruce didn't see the value of giving them a go.
As for Snoddy on the right, I think he admitted he was a bit crap on the left and wanted to play behind the strikers or on the right. Bruce obviously saw the importance his presence could bring to the team and made the necessary adjustments.
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Snoddy was rarely supported by Elmo or over lapping full back. Elmo is a wing back and never knew how to play full back position.
Also the full back seemed instructed or not encouraged to venture forward enough! With Bruce caution. Like leave the attacking players to attack. (that's why Bree who a real flyer going forward never got enough time Elmo is steady god knows what Bruce makes of Marcello!)
Never enough times did Elmo or full back help in get ball into box which snoddy did but would have done more with support and movement
Similarly he was not supported by midfield movers and strikers enough and had little options so many times.
I felt he needed far more support from midfielders and full back and always limited in options when on the ball
I won't miss that Sam Johnstone habitually kicked out to him where he tried to flick on it control (as sj could only direct and veer goal kicks to part of pitch)
Was predictable and that won't happen next season at least as both he and sj go.
His crude foul in dying embers on Saturday epitomises his attitude, care and frustration as he knew the deal for club.
I think he should be greatly respected and he respected villa greatly.
A professional attitude which puts mccormack to shame if Ross had even half of snoddy attitude and drive then we would have been promoted.
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Just seen that he contributed 7 goals and 17 assists for us last season. He was only on loan for the second half of the season! It would be worth asking West Ham whether they see a future for him there because if not, that contribution over the course of a season would be huge.
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Just seen that he contributed 7 goals and 17 assists for us last season. He was only on loan for the second half of the season! It would be worth asking West Ham whether they see a future for him there because if not, that contribution over the course of a season would be huge.
He joined in August and played about 40 games for us.
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He arrived ring rusty, but when he found his rhythm...
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It won’t surprise me to see him back on loan. Very good player, tremendous influence on the club, loved by the fans. He’ll only be sub at best for West Ham.
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Just seen that he contributed 7 goals and 17 assists for us last season. He was only on loan for the second half of the season! It would be worth asking West Ham whether they see a future for him there because if not, that contribution over the course of a season would be huge.
He joined in August and played about 40 games for us.
Come to think of it, you’re right. I just don’t remember contributing much before the turn of the year.
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Just seen that he contributed 7 goals and 17 assists for us last season. He was only on loan for the second half of the season! It would be worth asking West Ham whether they see a future for him there because if not, that contribution over the course of a season would be huge.
He joined in August and played about 40 games for us.
Come to think of it, you’re right. I just don’t remember contributing much before the turn of the year.
I don't think he had a pre season and therefore wasn't match fit when he arrived.
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He did ok for a couple of months but was utter gash late November and December, with a lot of people getting pretty pissed off with him but he sorted himself out after that was great again until about the End of April, sadly he was in another bad spell at the end of the season right when we needed him to lift us. He was probably the biggest disappointment of the lot in the final because if he'd have been anything like the player he'd been 2-3 months earlier we'd have created a lot more. I think, after the bolton game, we should've rested Adomah, Snoddy and Grabban a lot more. they were knackered the last few games. There was a decent break between the semi and final but I think it was just a step to far to really get 'up' for the final. I don't blame Bruce for that but I do wonder if the average age of the squad and the number of games they'd played from Christmas played a part in how utterly flat we were.
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when he was good he was very good for this level, but you're right he went flat just at the wrong time - as did Albert. I really like him but wouldn't think about bringing him back as it would be a waste of what money we have. For me, we ought to be playing Kodjia left, Albert right and someone else as centre forward ( with Davis as back up). Green could then come in for Albert as and when. Or vice versa. Snoddy denies that opprotunity.
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when he was good he was very good for this level, but you're right he went flat just at the wrong time - as did Albert. I really like him but wouldn't think about bringing him back as it would be a waste of what money we have. For me, we ought to be playing Kodjia left, Albert right and someone else as centre forward ( with Davis as back up). Green could then come in for Albert as and when. Or vice versa. Snoddy denies that opprotunity.
The “someone else” is going to be a bit of an issue.
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I loved Snoddy and it would be great to see him back at the club. But I'm not his sure loan fee and his wages would be the best use of our resources, in particular the FFP tightrope.
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If we can do the deal, we should.
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Agree with this. I thought we lacked real pace in the final third at times last season and if we are going to bring a wide player in then I would like to see someone who is genuinely quick come in. Snodgrass had undoubted quality on the ball, but playing him on the right meant that he had to keep constantly cutting back on to his left foot and it often stopped us hitting teams on the break.
I too would look to play Kodjia out wide and think the trio of him, Adomah and Green would offer decent options in those areas. Only concern would be that two of those three are prone to picking up injuries and we may need further cover.
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I thought Snodgrass did well for us and also looked committed. He wasn't happy at West Ham and if they were happy to let him go out on loan last season they will certainly be happy to let him leave one way or another now that they have strengthened their squad this summer. If we can do a deal that doesn't involve too big a loan fee and possibly them covering some of his wages I think he would be an asset again this coming season.
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He’s already been really praiseworthy of Pellegrini. I doubt he will be leaving them this summer.
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Yep, new manager, new start. Snodgrass doesn't strike me as someone short of confidence, he'll be all out to get into Pellegrini's team.
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Until they realise that he's not fast enough for the Premier Division. Really good player for the Championship though. I would like him back too. Maybe in January.
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He’s already been really praiseworthy of Pellegrini. I doubt he will be leaving them this summer.
In that case how about we take Snodgrass and Pellegrini? winky thing
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Bruce has approached West Ham to take Snodgrass on another loan deal according to the B'ham Mail. He's awaiting their response. Can't see Snoddy playing many games for the Hammers with the signings they've made recently. I'm sure he'd be keen on a return....
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I’m sure all parties would want this to happen, but the decision will have to be weighed with finances.
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Bruce has approached West Ham to take Snodgrass on another loan deal according to the B'ham Mail. He's awaiting their response. Can't see Snoddy playing many games for the Hammers with the signings they've made recently. I'm sure he'd be keen on a return....
Another 2 fingers to our youth and bloating an area of the squad that doesn't need extra bodies.
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My issue with Snoddgrass is there where games where he was ineffective , where in particular his lack of pace as a wide man was exposed and he would still end up playing 90 mins Bruce didn't even move his position ..
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but if Green keeps fit you can rotate surely?
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I have no issues with getting Snodgrass back who is good for the club and for the most part performed at a high level. I'm all for the kids, but fuck me they are injured a lot.
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Snodgrass would likely be a good influence on the kids, too. He seems very popular among the players and a key part of the much-improved team spirit.
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but if Green keeps fit you can rotate surely?
Bruce doesn't really rotate.
But yes if have Snoddy back in a heartbeat.
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but if Green keeps fit you can rotate surely?
Bruce doesn't really rotate.
But yes if have Snoddy back in a heartbeat.
Yep, he was putting some lovely crosses 2nd half of last season and runs himself into the ground.
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He’s been one of favourite players here in a long time. A fantastic player to have around if at all possible.
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This is a tough one. We've lost a huge chunks of assists with the loss of Snodgrass, and a few extra goals
But, i really wouldn't want him on a permanent deal at his age, and i fear any new loan deal would have that option to buy written into it
I'd much rather find a new young version of him with some added pace obviously
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I’d have him back at the drop of a hat. Fingers crossed on this one, I can imagine they would want at least a rent to buy (in any event, up or stay down)
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So long as Bruce recognises the fact he can’t play every game and is prepared to rotate then yes get him back.
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So long as Bruce recognises the fact he can’t play every game and is prepared to rotate then yes get him back.
and both Bruce and Snoddy understand that if he's struggling to find space he can be moved to the centre or the left. One of the most frustrating things last season was seeing full backs get on top of him and Adomah and watch us do nothing to change it.
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I’d have him back at the drop of a hat because of his attitude and will to win - something I haven’t seen from a Villa player for near on 5 years
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Attitude TICK
Likeability TICK
If only sentiment made a footballer. Poor distribution and lack of legs unfortunatley its a no from me.
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Get him back. ASAP.
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So long as Bruce recognises the fact he can’t play every game and is prepared to rotate then yes get him back.
and both Bruce and Snoddy understand that if he's struggling to find space he can be moved to the centre or the left. One of the most frustrating things last season was seeing full backs get on top of him and Adomah and watch us do nothing to change it.
I think Snodgrass would be best suited to a central role,possesses a good shot,hard working and more of a physical presence than Hourihane.
My concern is that under Bruce it's always a preference for older players at the expense of the development of younger players.
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Much as he ticks several boxes the major one I think that is the issue is his age - we simply have to move on from the older generation we had last season and find young players who will do a good job at this level
Nothing against Snoddy but we need a different type of player and I am guessing what he cost last year would pay for Woodburn and AN Other this season
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Sorry, but whether a player is 30 years of age last season or subsequently 31 this coming season, the fact remains that he got seven goals and FOURTEEN assists as that exact same 30 year old last time out. Precisely why there's nothing wrong with a loan in this instance.
He's an absolute, categoric no brainer for us if we can get him back. We need his ability, professionalism, character and infectious spirit.
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Sorry, but whether a player is 30 years of age last season or subsequently 31 this coming season, the fact remains that he got seven goals and FOURTEEN assists as that exact same 30 year old last time out. Precisely why there's nothing wrong with a loan in this instance.
as long as it's a season long loan with NO permanent deal attached
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Sorry, but whether a player is 30 years of age last season or subsequently 31 this coming season, the fact remains that he got seven goals and FOURTEEN assists as that exact same 30 year old last time out. Precisely why there's nothing wrong with a loan in this instance.
He's an absolute, categoric no brainer for us if we can get him back. We need his ability, professionalism, character and infectious spirit.
17 assists when I read the official site the other day.
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And what did he cost in terms of wages? Possibly 50k a week?
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Probably the going rate for an experienced midfielder with 7 goals and making 14 (or 17) others.
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And what did he cost in terms of wages? Possibly 50k a week?
Who cares it was a loan and if it doesn’t work out it’s done, unlike the nobs we gave 3-4 year contracts to on similar money
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My point is I dont think we should look to pay him the same again in the coming season .... Woodburn is a good prospect and doubt he would cost half of that
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Why couldn't he command the same sort of figure if he's already got proven track record?
"Well done for providing AVFC with 7 goals and 14 assists, Robert. We'll welcome you back with open arms, but here, have a pay cut"
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Did we pay 100% of his wages last season?
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He’s already been really praiseworthy of Pellegrini. I doubt he will be leaving them this summer.
Haven’t they signed two right wingers this summer? Anderson and someone.
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Getting Snoddy back makes us stronger. As would getting Woodburn. One of our biggest failings last season was over reliance on the front 3 of the attacking midfield in the final stretch, they were knackered. Getting Green fit, Adomah, Grealish, Woodburn and Snoddy all in and around it to keep people fresh is the perfect solution. Just need a decent target man to lead the line. Abel Hernandez with that lot in behind would score a hatful.
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I'm hoping Davis can continue his development as the target man role.
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Me too. But I've a nagging feeling Davis might see a fall as steep as his rise
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Me too. But I've a nagging feeling Davis might see a fall as steep as his rise
Why? Bruce has made it pretty clear he’s been struggling with a bad groin injury for some time which explains why he’s not been around the squad
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He was ok but it took him half a season to get going and we don’t want that.
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I really hope we can get Snoddy back would love to bring him back.
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He was ok but it took him half a season to get going and we don’t want that.
I think that was because he'd hardly played for West Ham and didn't have much of a pre-season with them either.
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He was excellent in the middle half of the season, after taking a while to get up to speed, then running out of energy for the last few games.
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Isn't that why you have a squad? so you can rotate players? Or am I missing something.
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Hammers mate said he’s played the most mins for them above anyone else in pre season.... does that mean he’s put in shop window for transfer or having seen last years performances have they got their own plans for him I wonder ?
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Isn't that why you have a squad? so you can rotate players? Or am I missing something.
Isn't that why you have a squad? so you can rotate players? Or am I missing something.
Not if you are Steve Bruce...
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Isn't that why you have a squad? so you can rotate players? Or am I missing something.
Not if you are Steve Bruce...
Or MON. That was the biggest thing for him too, never rotated and the team died in March.
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Used correctly and sparingly I cannot see a single downside to Robert Snodgrass being an Aston Villa player this season.
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Used correctly and sparingly I cannot see a single downside to Robert Snodgrass being an Aston Villa player this season.
The problem is that on his wages, you would need him to play most of the games. Otherwise he would be an expensive luxury.
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Used correctly and sparingly I cannot see a single downside to Robert Snodgrass being an Aston Villa player this season.
I'm not sure him being on the right with every goal kick hit vaguely in his direction all season long is something I want to see. He was mostly good for us last season, but I want to see some genuine pace out wide this season.
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Used correctly and sparingly I cannot see a single downside to Robert Snodgrass being an Aston Villa player this season.
I'm not sure him being on the right with every goal kick hit vaguely in his direction all season long is something I want to see. He was mostly good for us last season, but I want to see some genuine pace out wide this season.
Watch out for Steve Bruce when the final whistle blows. My guess is you won't find much faster.
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Green on the left gives peace. Snoddy gives guile and know how and set plays on the right. He would be great to have back.
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Used correctly and sparingly I cannot see a single downside to Robert Snodgrass being an Aston Villa player this season.
I'm not sure him being on the right with every goal kick hit vaguely in his direction all season long is something I want to see. He was mostly good for us last season, but I want to see some genuine pace out wide this season.
This. I could never understand why every kick from Johnstone was directed to Snodgrass. Perhaps one in ten he 'won' a freekick for feigning a foul. Was it Johnstone and some bizarre OCD thing or an instruction from Bruce?
I love the attitude Snodgrass brings and his guile, but I do wonder whether he is what we need (given his wages).
Though I suppose if we had a discernible pattern of play it might be easier to work out what type of players we need and how they might fit/work together. Too much to ask for from Bruce, sadly. UTV.
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Probably because Bruce used the 'tactic' with Elmo in a previous life.
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I loved Snoddy at the Villa, but his time with us has gone.
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I loved Snoddy at the Villa, but his time with us has gone.
Why has it?
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because we can't afford him and he doesn't offer enough pace. The answer would be to rotate him but Bruce doesn't so that and on the salary he would want, it becomes even more ruinous. We can't repeat the cycle of paying PL wages in the championship, surely?
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because we can't afford him and he doesn't offer enough pace. The answer would be to rotate him but Bruce doesn't so that and on the salary he would want, it becomes even more ruinous. We can't repeat the cycle of paying PL wages in the championship, surely?
I agree really. I love Snoddy, my favourite player last season, but unless we have found a way round FFP (and I don't see how we can) I would think he is too expensive for us with funds needed elsewhere.
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I can see Snoddy staying at West Ham, at least until January.
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I’m working in Cape Verde and I’m watching him play for West Ham against FSV Mainz on tele at the moment
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I really like Snodgrass and if our finances were in better shape would take him like a shot. Particularly if it was a loan. He would "Only" chew up the wage of a Gabby or Terry who have departed. As we all know though, we are still buggered on FFP so I can't see how we can afford it.
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I'd love to see him back. His end product at this level is quality. If we lose Grealish, we'll be desperate for some quality. Snodgrass will provide goals and assists. He'd be a key player again I think. The most likely replacement for an outgoing Grealish will be a young loan signing from somewhere, so getting in someone tried and test like Snoddy would be a good idea.
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I can't see many current players of ours scoring a goal like the one he got against Sheff Utd.
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Probably because Bruce used the 'tactic' with Elmo in a previous life.
I remember being driven to distraction by that very tactic (Johnston to Elmo) in our opener v Hull at Villa Park last season. I hate it when our keeper is our playmaker.
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At least Brad Guzan used to kick it into touch.
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I can't see many current players of ours scoring a goal like the one he got against Sheff Utd.
Green scores a lot of goals like that to be fair.
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Probably because Bruce used the 'tactic' with Elmo in a previous life.
I remember being driven to distraction by that very tactic (Johnston to Elmo) in our opener v Hull at Villa Park last season. I hate it when our keeper is our playmaker.
I read about it on a Hull forum. I thought they were taking the piss.
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Maybe I'm reading too much into this but I have a strong feeling he will be coming back. You have the respectful tweets and quotes Robert has said about his time at the club. Jacks reply to him on twitter earlier on but more importantly Yarmolenko plays in an identical position to him, left footed and does a similar job.
Bruce was asked right at the end about Snoddy and he said, "I don't think it's a fair I talk about other clubs players right now"....that always means we're close to a deal ;)
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If he’s in the starting 11 for Wet Spam at the weekend unlikely, on the bench hmmm maybe, not named in the squad he’s packing his bags.
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I won’t be to bothered if he doesn’t come back
I think we need to push on from last year and put it all behind us
he played ok in my opinion which probably looked better than what they were on the whole because of some very decent balls into the box in occasions
I think he’s s good championship player and no more imo,
I know that’s where we are at the moment but I reckon we can do better
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If he’s in the starting 11 for Wet Spam at the weekend unlikely, on the bench hmmm maybe, not named in the squad he’s packing his bags.
That's what I was thinking too, and whilst I applaud our new direction of investing in yoof, I'll take him back for another year on loan in a heartbeat, but feel we'll be able to rest him a lot more this time.
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I won’t be to bothered if he doesn’t come back
I think we need to push on from last year and put it all behind us
he played ok in my opinion which probably looked better than what they were on the whole because of some very decent balls into the box in occasions
I think he’s s good championship player and no more imo,
I know that’s where we are at the moment but I reckon we can do better
Such as?
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Bring him back. Pretty please.
All I want is Snoddy, a left-back, a centre-half and a striker. I'm not asking much.
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Bring him back, good payer and an attitude that rubs off on the rest of the team
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If he brings him back he will start every game.
It’s time we started giving Green O’Hare some game time.
Keep doing the same thing and expecting different results.....
We need to move on.
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Snoddy will of course be detrimental to Green’s chances of cementing a regular starting place.
Personally, I’d like to go with a bit more pace this season.
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We were one game off promotion. I don't necessarily think turning down the opportunity to keep one of the best parts of that squad is going to get us promoted. Improve the worst elements, don't replace the best.
Snodgrass would, again, easily be one of the best players in the division. And I think he would help in our young players' development, rather than impede them.
If we can get him, we'd be mad not to try.
I reckon a bit of him might feel he has unfinished business, too. I think he has a genuine love for the club that many players who have been here five times as long haven't developed. He'll be desperate to help get us promoted.
Bring Back The Snodfather.
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Forget him and find a solution through our kids.
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Snoddy will of course be detrimental to Green’s chances of cementing a regular starting place.
Albert's would be more under threat i'd have thought with his woeful form of late
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We're not in such a luxurious position as to turn down someone of his quality, attitude and approach.
See Sheffield United away last season.
He'd be great here for another season, loved it and made a difference. He's worth a few points over the season.
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The problem i see is why would West Ham want to loan him out again?
There's must be other clubs that would buy him outright and we really shouldn't be getting involved (IMHO) in actually BUYING him at his age
A year loan with zero follow on commitments would be great though
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only don't they have to be linked to a buy deal at this stage?
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They can't sell him unless abroad. And he won't go.
He's got 2 seasons left on his current deal so he might do a straight loan though I'd have thought a loan to buy would be what Wet Spam would be after.
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We're not in such a luxurious position as to turn down someone of his quality, attitude and approach.
See Sheffield United away last season.
He'd be great here for another season, loved it and made a difference. He's worth a few points over the season.
Agree entirely. His enthusiasm is infectious. The other players love him. And aside from hat look at how many goals he was involved in. He played a huge role last season. He just needs to be used sparingly; same with Green, Albert even Jack. We need rotate better so adding someone of Snodgrass’ ability is a no brainer for me.
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He was well off the pace first half of the season as he missed pres season. Once fit he was a crucial part of the set up.
He looks fitter and leaner as well and I think Pellegrino will not want anything that's not foreign and shiney.
Him and jack for a full season could be the difference this year
Bring him back
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I really like Snoddy but I also have a problem with the lack of pace through the team last year and he was a big part of that so I'm torn on whether I'd like him back or not. My concern is that signing him dictates a lot of how we have to play. If Grealish had gone I'd have taken him to play that role in a heartbeat, as is I'm not fussed either way, especially if the alternative sees us get in a pacy and tricky winger/forward (basically a clone of Green). A couple of players like that up front who are between the lines would be perfect for me.
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Thought McGinn was supposed to be a similar player to Snodgrass?
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Nah, he's more Zidaney.
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I won’t be to bothered if he doesn’t come back
I think we need to push on from last year and put it all behind us
he played ok in my opinion which probably looked better than what they were on the whole because of some very decent balls into the box in occasions
I think he’s s good championship player and no more imo,
I know that’s where we are at the moment but I reckon we can do better
Such as?
I'm hoping the bloke we just bought will be better for starters
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Better than 7 goals and 14 assists? Let's hope, eh?
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I would love him back here. The chance to rotate him, Green and Adomah would give us a freshness we lacked last year.
He just clicked with the club. I love him and his attitude, the soft free kicks he bought, the way he got under the skin of the opposition and of course his goals and delivery.
If he's not in the West Ham squad at all for Liverpool you've got to fancy there's a chance he may be coming. Bruce is certainly interested.
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Yes, rotation is the key.
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Someone remind steve...
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Get him back.
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Can Snoddy come out to play, please?
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Come on Robert, you have unfinished business. Loan to buy too please.
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I would love him back here. The chance to rotate him, Green and Adomah would give us a freshness we lacked last year.
He just clicked with the club. I love him and his attitude, the soft free kicks he bought, the way he got under the skin of the opposition and of course his goals and delivery.
If he's not in the West Ham squad at all for Liverpool you've got to fancy there's a chance he may be coming. Bruce is certainly interested.
You' ve hit the nail on the head - Snodgrass just hasn't the legs to play more than one game a week
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As above, a complete no brainer for me.
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Easily one of my favourite Villa players of the last decade, for all of the reasons listed by Ads.
His delivery was awesome, very hard to replace that.
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Please. Need the goals and assists.
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I'd have him back in an instant. Apart from his undoubted ability he comes across as a great character behind the scenes in the dressing room.
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Me too. He provided us with goals and assists last season and we’d be a poorer team without him in it.
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If we can afford his wages, it's hard to see where else he'd be going.
He's not going to be in West 'am squad, he can't move permanently to anywhere in England, he doesn't strike me as the type to rock up at St Etienne or Anderlecht for a year, and where else in the Championship would he go?
I can't really work out the scenario where he isn't playing for us next season.
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We've got Snodgrass!
Playing on the right!
He hasn't got a right foot
But his left is dynamite!
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I think he is brilliant in the dressing room, so is Richards. He was a good influence on the field, loads of assists and goals. On the other side, I would say both him and Albert got clocked late on and the influence wasn't so good. As much as I like him, we need younger players imo
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On the bench for the kit stealers today.
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He's on the bench today...possibility he's not going to get a lot of game time, possibility they let him go again.
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loved him here but too expensive - and I can't see how he fits the owners' young and hungry profile
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Yarmolenko also on the bench who will likely be favoured to Snoddy.
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Just come on for the second half.
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Just come on for west ham :(
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They need him ... 2-0 down and probably no way back at Anfield
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Good assist for Sturridge
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I watched him closely when he came on. Jogged around, barely put any pressure on any Liverpool players with the ball. It was hardly a sign of intent to Pellegrini.
I'd have been fuming if he'd done that in a Villa shirt.
Still have him back though....
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To be on the bench he must be in their plans. Write him off. Next please
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Sounds more like carlos Sanchez ??
I watched him closely when he came on. Jogged around, barely put any pressure on any Liverpool players with the ball. It was hardly a sign of intent to Pellegrini.
I'd have been fuming if he'd done that in a Villa shirt.
Still have him back though....
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I watched him closely when he came on. Jogged around, barely put any pressure on any Liverpool players with the ball. It was hardly a sign of intent to Pellegrini.
I'd have been fuming if he'd done that in a Villa shirt.
Still have him back though....
Perhaps he treated it as a pre-season game before his big move?
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Kazza Brady has dissed him to the max on more than one occasion in her Scum column, so I don't think he will be at The Ammers for much longer. Looked to me like he was working his ticket, as we used to say.
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I know he's popular and he may help to get us promoted but if that happened then Bruce would offer him a contract and to me he's far too slow for the premiership.
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I know he's popular and he may help to get us promoted but if that happened then Bruce would offer him a contract and to me he's far too slow for the premiership.
Think I’d like to worry about that in May :-)
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I know he's popular and he may help to get us promoted but if that happened then Bruce would offer him a contract and to me he's far too slow for the premiership.
If we get promoted we’ll probably replace everyone but Grealish, McGinn and Chester.
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I know he's popular and he may help to get us promoted but if that happened then Bruce would offer him a contract and to me he's far too slow for the premiership.
Think I’d like to worry about that in May :-)
No now is the time to worry about it if we’re building for the future, not May
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Job one has to be just to get back up. Everything else is just a distraction.
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Quite.
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Kazza Brady has dissed him to the max on more than one occasion in her Scum column, so I don't think he will be at The Ammers for much longer. Looked to me like he was working his ticket, as we used to say.
Following Brady's "Robert Snodgrass wasn't exactly a triumph..." and Sullivan's "The manager says he wants Jose Fonte from Southampton and Robert Snodgrass from Hull. My kids begged me not to sign them" comments, it's testament to his character that he even put his boots on for them. Horrible (no class) jokers!
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Surely Pellegrini would only let him go out if he could have one back in and im not sure they can do that
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McGinn trying to get Snoddy back.
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McGinn trying to get Snoddy back.
I would have thought . that Snoddy would get in Mcginn's way, they both seem to put the best balls into the box from similar areas!
Not sure we now need him.
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Surely Pellegrini would only let him go out if he could have one back in and im not sure they can do that
Between Felipe Anderson, Yarmolenko and Perez I think they've already done the "getting one back in" bit.
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Can a Mod amend the thread title. At least until Snodders does come back
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Love Snoddy.
Brilliant gesture
Former Aston Villa winger Robert Snodgrass has made a generous donation of £3,000 to aid a young girl with a rare form of cancer.
Four-year-old Isla Caton, who is a big West Ham United fan, has suffered a second relapse of the childhood cancer and is currently in Barcelona receiving treatment.
Her fundraiser, which is backed by the Bradley Lowery Foundation - named after the little Sunderland supporter who passed away in July last year - has now benefitted from the significant sum from Scottish international Snodgrass.
The 31-year-old left the simple but heartfelt message “keep fighting little one” on Isla’s Just Giving page - a page that has incredibly raised just shy of £400,000.
The target, set at £600,000, would enable Isla to head to the United States for treatment for her Neuroblastoma.
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Love Snoddy.
Brilliant gesture
Former Aston Villa winger Robert Snodgrass has made a generous donation of £3,000 to aid a young girl with a rare form of cancer.
Four-year-old Isla Caton, who is a big West Ham United fan, has suffered a second relapse of the childhood cancer and is currently in Barcelona receiving treatment.
Her fundraiser, which is backed by the Bradley Lowery Foundation - named after the little Sunderland supporter who passed away in July last year - has now benefitted from the significant sum from Scottish international Snodgrass.
The 31-year-old left the simple but heartfelt message “keep fighting little one” on Isla’s Just Giving page - a page that has incredibly raised just shy of £400,000.
The target, set at £600,000, would enable Isla to head to the United States for treatment for her Neuroblastoma.
Great gesture. I was so impressed with his attitude last season, a real good player and character to have about.
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It makes football clubs giving a wealthy man more money than he already needs even more shameful.
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I agree.
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Great gesture.
Thought he was finished at West Ham so surprised he's played as much as he has for them as their fans didn't rate him much either.
Pellegrini obviously does which I imagine is a big confidence booster for him knowing a manager of his standing likes his game.
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Shall we file this under “Christian Benteke isn’t coming back either”?
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Yeah, I don't want to have to play the niggly, mouthy fucker when we get promoted but he'll probably be a sub for them as we cause havoc in the wide open spaces of Stratford.
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I'm on my way home from tonights West Ham game. He played well, had two assists, shows so much enthusiasm here like he did for us. They love him like we do or did, I feel like a jilted lover tonight.
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Interesting that Pellegrini told him to lose weight in pre season to have a chance of featuring so guess he could've been even better last season.
Edit; Although he'd have probably just laughed at Steve Bruce if he told him that! Guess that's the difference of someone who's managed Real Madrid and still keeps himself in shape past 60.
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Good point. Really highlights our training methods under the previous regime.
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Good point. Really highlights our training methods under the previous regime.
TBF I do think Snoddy was grateful to SB for getting him out of his West Ham "hell" at the time and seems like most he enjoyed playing under him last season.
Issue here though is who out of overweight Geordie or trim Chilean who's managed Real Madrid would he be more likely to listen to if he was asked to lose some timber to improve his game?
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Also the difference between rating someone enough to recruit them and inheriting them.
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Or who would offer the best advice for a great take away ?!!
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I'm on my way home from tonights West Ham game. He played well, had two assists, shows so much enthusiasm here like he did for us. They love him like we do or did, I feel like a jilted lover tonight.
I'm happy with our current wide players, but I did think Snoddy was fantastic for us on and off the field. One of my favourite players for some time, and given he was only here on a 1 season loan that says a lot about him. I'll always have a soft spot for him.
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https://www.avfc.co.uk/News/2019/09/15/in-search-of-the-lions-robert-snodgrass
'Some of us are born Villa. Some, just fall in love.' It's a phrase that can be seen adorning an iconic banner in and around Villa Park these days. And it really is true, you know.
Baring emphatic imagery of lifelong Villa supporter turned Head Coach Dean Smith on one side, with former captain and current Assistant Coach John Terry at the other, it's become a poignant addition to the matchday tapestry.
Because for every Smith or Jack Grealish at the club, there are people not from these parts who adopt everything it means to be Aston Villa. Often to the point it never quite leaves them.
One of those is Robert Snodgrass, the man who spent the 2017/18 season on loan at Villa Park, and who returns on Monday for the first time since – on this occasion in the claret of West Ham United. The Scot quickly became an icon of the squad that went so close to achieving promotion via the Championship Play-Off Final that term.
Whether it be for his stunning last-gasp winner away at Sheffield United, his winning header at Middlesbrough that kick-started a seven-game winning streak or his side-splittingly hilarious spell as the Unclassic Commentary anchor – he isn't a player that will be forgotten in a hurry on our terraces.
Catching up on the eve of the Monday Night Football that will see him reunited with many familiar faces once again, it's fair to say he'll never never forget his stint here either.
"I've not been back to Villa Park since the Middlesbrough Play-Off semi-final. So I'm really looking forward to it," Snodgrass said.
"To come back and have a chance to see so many faces and the fans, who I had a great relationship with, will be great. I'm certainly happy to be coming back with Aston Villa now a Premier League club again, where it deserves to be. I'm delighted about that.
"It was an amazing season for me at Villa. I loved every second of it. I've got friends for life at the club now. I always knew it was special place, even before I arrived. It was a sleeping giant that never should have been in the situation of being in the Championship. Sometimes these things happen, and hopefully it's better for it now. It was a building process. It's been a case of one step back and two forward in recent years.
"The only disappointment was the Play-Off Final defeat. Other than that, I really did love my time there. I'm still very happy to be able to say I played for Aston Villa."
So much is Snodgrass still engrained in the progress of Aston Villa that he followed our every move last season as the squad eventually went one better and secured that historic Wembley triumph.
Play-Off Final day 2019 still meant a great deal to the 32-year old, who gathered around the television set with all of his close family to will us over the line – even putting long-lasting friendships on hold for the afternoon.
"I watched the game at Wembley," he recalled.
"I had a few mates also playing for Derby and I had to apologise to them in advance because I wanted Villa to win. For sure. I watched back home in Scotland with my family and there were 15 to 20 of us all rooting for Villa, with wild cheers when they scored. To see John McGinn score was special. And then to see all the lads I played with smiling a year after the disappointment was a good feeling. I watched it as a fan, which is the true marker of knowing you had a good time at a club."
Snodgrass remains tight with former team-mates and backroom staff here. In fact, he felt so much at home during his time around Bodymoor Heath, that he remembers it as longer than a nine-month loan spell.
While his career has now trodden a different path, there remains connections everywhere he looks. Just months after his return to London, his countryman and good friend John McGinn was drafted in and quickly took the mantle as our new Scottish midfield icon. He's a player Snoddy rates extremely highly – both on the pitch and in the commentary booth!
"I still speak to a lot of the players and staff even now. I was only there nine months, but it felt like five or six years. We had to go our own ways after the Play-Off Final. That's football. It changes quickly. But as I said, I'm pleased it happened and I'm now enjoying my time at West Ham United.
"It's not often you get to pull on shirts of really big football clubs. That's what Villa is and always was when I was growing up. You only have look at some of the names – especially some of the Scottish ones – that played there down the years. I loved it.
"The club has its new Scotsman now in John [McGinn]. I've seen it, how popular he is. He's top level, to be fair to him. He's also got big potential in the commentary world! He's a great lad and deserves everything he's got so far. He's a brilliant footballer and I'm really glad Villa fans have got to see what he's about on and off the park. He's one that's definitely driven the team forward, and we're still yet to see the best of him."
To Monday night, and Snodgrass is convinced it's shaping up for a corker of a game as Villa, keen for the points performances have deserved, take on the Hammers, who've taken seven points from their first four matches.
It's set to be an emotional, but highly competitive return of one of our most popular players in recent memory.
"Monday night will be a cracking one for the neutral because you'll have two teams desperate to go and try and win the game", he concluded.
"Villa have some great talent and have made a few signings, like West Ham have. I expect both sides to be going for it and I think there'll be goals in it.
"We're learning all the time here. I'm loving it. We've gone through rotational stages of late and we're building on our style from last season, with some new players having joined. We've started well – a lot better than last year. Seven points from 12 is decent. We've got the talent and the mindset to get ever better. We're in for a very tough game at Villa Park on Monday now."
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Snoddy is one of the good guys.
Good luck to him. After tonight, obviously.
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Will be applauding General Snod's return for sure.
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He'll get a clap from me too, very likeable player.
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Oh no he will be able to tell his teammates all about strength and weaknesses of our team Johnstone, Hutton, Bree, Chester, Whelan, Bjarnason, Jedinak, Onomah, Adomah, Hogan and Grabban.
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Yes, one of those players that feels like he should still be here.
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Welcome back Snoddy
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He'll get a clap from me too, very likeable player.
I had to look twice there as at first glance my brain saw 'the' instead of 'a'.
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A likeable guy and a decent player who gave everything whilst he was here.
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From their OS
Four months ago, Robert Snodgrass and his family celebrated Aston Villa’s return to the Premier League via the Championship Play-Off final.
Twelve months previously, the on-loan Scotland midfielder was left forlorn on the Wembley Stadium turf following Villa’s 1-0 defeat by Fulham in the same fixture.
But on Monday evening, any feelings towards the Birmingham-based club will be pushed aside as Snodgrass and his West Ham United teammates go in search of three valuable Premier League points at Villa Park.
“We want to try and win the game at Aston Villa as, to keep on progressing, we need to keep on winning football matches and need to bring different ideas to break these sorts of teams down,” said the No11.
“That’s the sign of a good team and what the top teams do so, if we want to go into that next bracket, we must find a way to beat Aston Villa.”
With the four teams directly above them also on the road, a third straight Premier League win could take West Ham into the top four come Monday night but, at 32, Snodgrass is experienced enough to know nothing is achieved in mid-September.
“Everybody says you need to set a target, but everything can change throughout the course of a season, so if you set one then you can leave yourself open to criticism if it doesn’t happen,” he observed.
Looking ahead to his return to Villa Park in more detail, Snodgrass can expect a warm reception after his outstanding contribution to their cause during the 2017/18 season.
The Glaswegian scored eight goals and assisted 13 more to help Villa reach the Play-Offs, earning himself cult hero status on the Holte End in the process.
Eighteen months on from the end of his loan spell, he remains close friends with many players and staff there.
“It was unbelievable [playing in the Play-Off final],” he recalled. “I remember that day. It’s probably the most emotion you could ever feel in football. It was at Wembley and to go through it with that club, who deserved to be back in the Premier League, was amazing.
“I watched their second Play-Off final in May with my whole family and we were cheering when they scored and when they won it, 12 months on from them all coming down to Wembley and seeing us lose. To see the smiles on all the Villa lads’ faces, I couldn’t have been happier.
“Their fans have had a tough time these last few years, but I think the connection between the players and fans has come back and it was only a matter of time before they got back up.
“Aston Villa are a very good side. I’ve watched them a lot this season because of the fact I’ve been there and kept in touch with some of their players and staff, and we’ll need to be at our very best to get a result.”
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Love Snoddy and hope he gets a great reception. But obviously I hope he and West Ham have a shocker tonight.
We could certainly make use of him now.
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I will be amazed if he doesn’t get a good reception tonight
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I'll give him a clap before the start, but after that he's one of them not one of us
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In much the same way I think it's silly some players get booed on their return (Downing excepted obviously) I'm not going to get carried away with a player who spent less than a year here.
Yes, he came good in the end but he was a Premier League player and for the first two months he looked more like a pub player, such was his fitness level.
He's another in a long list of players that in 10 years time I'll have probably forgotten he ever played for us.
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I won't have forgotten him. He always gave his all and seemed to "get" the club and connect with fans in a way that many players who were here for much longer never did.
It was nice that he got a great reception from the Holte End at the end of the game. Well deserved.
I agree there have been plenty of occasions when I've been baffled as to why we boo certain former players. Obviously Downing and Delph deserve all they get and worse.
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Snodgrass wasn’t even our player but he gave everything for us, unlike so many others we can all name. He’s a great bloke, and welcome back any time.
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Absolutely!
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Class act
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I won't have forgotten him. He always gave his all and seemed to "get" the club and connect with fans in a way that many players who were here for much longer never did.
It was nice that he got a great reception from the Holte End at the end of the game. Well deserved.
I agree there have been plenty of occasions when I've been baffled as to why we boo certain former players. Obviously Downing and Delph deserve all they get and worse.
I certainly won't forget him, considering he was a loaner he gave his all!
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Did anyone who went to match see if he got a good reception?
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Did anyone who went to match see if he got a good reception?
He did! Clapped the Holte at the end as well.
https://twitter.com/harrybatters/status/1173848584237846534
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Awh Brilliant!! Well happy with that. Thanks Chipsticks.
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I saw him clap our fans from were I was sitting top bloke.
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Fans applauded him before the start and at the end, deservedly so
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Mutual respect was nice to see, before and after the game
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A guy we could and should have signed in the summer.
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A guy we could and should have signed in the summer.
I'm not convinced that we could have signed him as he wasn't for sale. Very few PL players moved between PL clubs this summer. Furthermore, he does not fit into the age bracket that we are now targeting.
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Robert what are you doing. In advanced talks to join Smethwick.
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Robert what are you doing. In advanced talks to join Smethwick.
Steve Bruce must be sleeping off his festive excesses to have missed out on this one!!
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A real shame he’s decided to quit football.
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Yeah, a good player and a good guy, thoughts and prayers with him tonight.
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Best wishes in your retirement, Robert.
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Best work on the defensive side of your game.
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Surprised Newcastle not in for him. He could give their strikers heads a wobble.
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A great professional. Good luck Robert.
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Yep, superb professional and I was gutted he never stayed with us. All the best to him.
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Sentiments aside too slow , too old now to play at top level the n my opinion
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A great professional. Good luck Robert.
Agreed.
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Yep. He's just the sort of player they need at the moment.
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I like him but I can not wish him luck going there.
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I like him but I can not wish him luck going there.
Yes, I should clarify that I wish HIM luck, not West Brom.
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Did really well for us. Wouldn't object if he helped keep Albion up as it gives us a guaranteed 6 points every season.
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Sentiments aside too slow , too old now to play at top level the n my opinion
He's in no danger of being confused for an Olympic sprinter.
But good crosser of the ball, good delivery from set pieces and a bit of needle to his game as well. Which you don't always from wide players.
Seems to have a good attitude as well, which will help at a struggling club.
Just hopefully not at that struggling club.
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I always had time for Snoddy but he is dead to me now.
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Did really well for us. Wouldn't object if he helped keep Albion up as it gives us a guaranteed 6 points every season.
Disciplinary imminent.
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He was one of the big characters that turned us back into a football team again.
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Did really well for us. Wouldn't object if he helped keep Albion up as it gives us a guaranteed 6 points every season.
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Must be just me then that prefers the passion, fervour and bragging rights associated with playing and beating local teams, rather than the soon-to-be-returning Norwich Bournmouth and Watford. I shall go and get my tin hat....
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Did really well for us. Wouldn't object if he helped keep Albion up as it gives us a guaranteed 6 points every season.
Disciplinary imminent.
Get the stocks out!
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Shame, I liked him.
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What are you thinking of Snoddy Apart from Small Heath you could not have joined a worse club Will always respect you but will be laughing when i see you in the championship again next season
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Love Snoddy. Hope he does really well there in a brave but ultimately fuitile 1 man attempt to keep them up and then moves somewhere better.